The Pucheta Alien Abduction and the Case of Mauricio Leal

Sergio Pucheta was living a normal life in Argentina, until everything changed in 2006. He was on patrol when he encounted two glowing lights. In this episode, Carmen shares a UFO case from Argentina and I share the case of Mauricio Leal from Colombia

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, Hello, This is Christina and Carmen and this is
another episode of As Pooky Tells, a podcast for all
things spooky, hunted, places, myths, legends, per normal and true
crime that has to do with Latin America. And today
we have a ufolk story. I feel like it's been
a while. Yeah, and then a true crime case from Columbia, Columbia.

(00:31):
Thank you. Wow, I forgot, I forgot what we were doing.
But sorry, I can't talk right now. My meds are
wear enough. So this is how it's going to go today. Then, yes, yes,
Before we get into our two topics, we do have
a listener story to read. And if you want to
send us your story for us to read, you can

(00:52):
email as Pooky Tales at gmail dot com. You can
DM us on any of our socials, you can submity
on Discord, you can call our Spooky hotline. And yeah,
are you ready for the listener story? Are you ready
for the listener story? That's the question? Yes? Okay, So
this is from Jason Cordova. It was a peaceful evening

(01:14):
at my family's mountainside home, overlooking the Roaring Fork River
at Pyramid Peak and imposing rock formation reminiscent of the
Devil's Tower. Oh, do you know the Devil's Tower? I don't,
Do you know the muffin Man? Yes? I was about
ten years old at the time, and I had a
friend over for a sleepover. We were up late talking

(01:35):
when through the window we noticed a strange light emerging
from behind a nearby hill. Both of those are fascinated
by aviation, so we quickly recognized that it couldn't be
in aircraft because it only had one light and it
was the wrong color. Our curiosity grew as a light
suddenly changed direction and began zig zagging across the field,

(01:55):
then across the river toward our apartment building. The object
stopped abruptly, hovering just a few feet away from our window.
We could see the reflection of its amber colored light
on the river below. The object appeared to be a
three foot diameter glass sphere with an amber colored light
emanating from its center. So detailed, I know. Overwhelmed with excitement,

(02:19):
I ran to my dad's room to tell him about
the site. Unfortunately he was too tired to come see
for himself. What time was it? I would have gone,
I mean, I know, who knows if it was like dadda,
I'd be like, okay, yeah. Our returned just in time
to see the objects speeding off along the river to
the south before vanishing from sight, leaving my friend and

(02:41):
I staring in an awe out of the window. Shaken
and bewildered. We decided it was time to try and
get some sleep. The next morning, my friend went home
before breakfast and we never spoke about the sighting again. However,
my dad did ask me about it, and it helped
me investigate whether it could have been a reflection of
headlights or something else. We even tried to produced the
phenomenon using flashlights, but we're unable to recreate what I

(03:03):
had seen. So scientific. I love this Dad just like
encouraging its, like, well, let's see if it could have
been this or this. Yeah. So like it's fine that
he was too tired to get up to go see
because it's probably, like I said in Madrugada Krakadon type
of thing. And but he was interested after that, trying
to help out, trying to you know, let's try this,

(03:25):
let's try that. Yeah. So that's I love this. And also, yeah,
that was a ufone for sure. Oh yeah, definitely the diigzagging. Yeah,
the one light emanating the amber light emanating from the
center at the sphere. Yes, absolutely. Okay, are you ready

(03:50):
for our paranormal case. Yeah, speaking of extraterrescuo and UFOs
and stuff. Yeah, that's what we're talking about today. We
are talking about the City Yo Puchetta abduction. So twenty
eight year old Saidhiyo Puchta lived a normal life in
the Argentine region of La Pampa, a mostly rural area

(04:11):
full of vast land and cattle ranches, before his life
changed on March second, two thousand and six. Said Kio,
who was a corporal police officer for the region's Anti
Livestock Theft Division, began his shift around seven to thirty
pm on the evening of his alleged alien abduction. On

(04:31):
this day, Saidhio patrolled a slightly different route than he
normally did after agreeing to cover for a colleague who
had taken the day off. And if that colleague had
not called off or maybe had a vacation, I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know the situation.
But if you had been there, this wouldn't have happened
to Sehkio exactly. It's always whenever there's like but that

(04:52):
day he went a different way. That day was different.
It's always a recipe for disaster before the paranormal, a
recipe for alien abduction, yes, said Huo. Began his shift
by hopping onto his Honda one fifty motorcycle and driving
eighty kilometers before stopping at an intersection called cruse Alaskagnes.

(05:17):
Once there, said Hio noticed a glowing light from the woods.
Thinking the lights might be coming from poachers, said Jo,
stop to investigate, got to stop those cow thieves, you know,
doing his job. He got off his bike and looked
around for a bit, but hopped back on to resume
his route after convincing himself it was nothing. It's never
nothing chinks. Yes, that's when he was quickly paralyzed by

(05:42):
two glowing lights dangling fifty meters away from him. The
glowing red lights left said Hio, dumbfounded and unable to move.
He later claimed that at this point he felt a
tingling sensation all over his body, and he felt he
was in a trance. Scary. His mouth to scream for help,
but was unable to speak. An unknown force then removed

(06:05):
his phone and wepened away from him. Sidhio doesn't remember
entirely what happened next, but according to his colleagues, said
Jo called dispatch and asked for a backup after seeing
something very strange. He then went silent and the call dropped. Oh.
Despatch tried calling Seho back several times, but he didn't
pick up. This worried the command center and they sent

(06:27):
three police cars to search for Seihio. When the officers
arrived at Saidho's last known location, they were met with
an eerie silence. Oh like he wasn't there. Eerie. Oh.
The officers attempted to radio said Hio again, but they
received no response. The officers then pulled out their flashlights
and dispersed in search of Sehio. A few minutes later,

(06:50):
one of the officers yelled for the others to come
to his location. Lying right in front of the officer
was said Jo's disassembled gun and phone, but no said
he insight. Oh my god, this is so weird. The
officers were now sure some sort of foul play was
involved and launched a major search for their missing colleague.

(07:11):
They fenced off the area to protect evidence and called
on all available officers to join the search. As the
search continued throughout the night, officers found said He was footprints.
They followed them, but they were scattered, which made it
difficult for officers to figure out where the hell Said
Jo went. Yeah, this is just it's getting more and
more weird. Yeah. And so the search came to a

(07:33):
hall around two am, when rain erased the footprints and
made it impossible to continue to follow them. I just
need to say that Daryl from The Walking Dead would
have still found those footprints. Yeah, and said Jo wouldn't
be found until four pm the next day. Oh wow.

(07:54):
And he was found by a farm owner named Luis
Alberto Barbero, who said he found said Jo sitting with
his face and his arms on the side of the
dirt road. Oh like fetal position maybe, hmmm, No, sitting
my bad yeah. Like yeah, you're crying into your knees, yeah,
in which I wouldn't do if I'd just been taken

(08:15):
by aliens. Oh yeah. So Luis Alberto approached Said Jo
and asked him questions but said he'll remained silent. And
this alarmed that Lose Alberto, and he called the authorities.
A few minutes later, several officers and an ambulance surrounded
the location. Said he'll remained silent and it'd be a

(08:35):
few hours before he fully regained consciousness. When he finally did,
Saidhio hugged his fellow officers and burst into tears. Oh
At the hospital, doctors found the burn marks on said
Jo's feet that were described as blisters with small white
dots in the middle. Oh odd very said Jo had

(08:58):
also inexplicably become sensitive to light and asked to be
moved to a dark room because the light would hurt
his eyes. You know, I bet those aliens just have
like these flashy in fluorescent lights in his face like
all night, like operating on him or some shit. An
official investigation into the incident hadn't uncovered any new information
or answers about what had happened to set Hyo. When

(09:20):
interviewed by officials, Saidho claimed he only remembered pieces of
what happened to him. He describes seeing the countryside from
above and feeling like his feet were burning. Said Kiyo
was unable to recover and heal from the trauma he
went through that night, and in twenty thirteen, he was
forced into mandatory retirement. Saidhio has now returned to the

(09:42):
location of the incident and claimed it's because he's afraid
it'll happen again, which makes perfect sense to me. I
wouldn't go back either, No, of course not. It's wild.
These all these abduction stories are the same, where like
whoever was taken, their life is a bruined, like they
don't continue their careers. They're traumatized, and they're crazy too. Yeah,

(10:04):
and that's why I love the show that was like
I forgot the name of the show, and then it
was canceled, so there's no ending to it. But there's
this like support group for abductees of aliens, and so
it's a very fun show but like you know what
they need that all right, Well, we'll take a little

(10:29):
break here and then we'll be back with my true
crime case. Okay, and we're back, and today I am
talking about the case of Mauricio from Colombia. And when

(10:50):
I'm not looking for infuriating stories because they're infuriating because
they involved the aborbitual or police harming us, then I
just find I like to find stories that I just
didn't hear about before because they're not like, well, known
in the US, so that's one of these. On the
twenty second of November of twenty twenty one, Mauricio Leal,

(11:11):
a famous hair stylist in Colombia, was supposed to have
arrived at a meeting about styling Miss Universo contestants, but
he never arrived. His driver, Jahied tried calling and calling
but there was no answer, which was weird because Mauricio
always had his phone and he also never missed imprint

(11:31):
meetings like this one. Finally, Yaid was able to get
in touch with Maurisio's brother, Johniere, who was living with
Maurisio at the time. Jihne yaid he was at home,
but they could meet at their house at two pm.
And when they met at Mauricio's condo in the municipality
of La Calera in Gundi, Marca, Colombia, they went inside.

(11:56):
Everything looked fine, like it was clean, but a little
too quiet. Am I wrong to be suspicious already? Of
whoms of Jonnier? I'm cutting that? All right? No, leave it,
leave it? Yeah, So they again it was a little
too quiet. They walked through. They tried to open Maursio's room,

(12:19):
but the door was locked. So then they went through
a window and they walked into a terrible, terrible scene.
Oh no, Mauricio and his mom mar Lenni et Nandez
were dead on the bed. Oh wow. Yeah. She had
been covered with the sheet, but Mauricio was not. There

(12:40):
was a visible stab wound to his chest and another
in his stomach, like the knife was still there in
his stomach. When he saw this, Janet yelledas Mao capasso,
what happened, mau what happened? But just like like over
yelling like but of course it's it's your brother. You
know you're gonna I don't know react yeah, oh oh sorry.

(13:02):
Yaid is the driver. For a second I thought he
was the brother, but Maudi's okay, okay, got it. Yeah,
Yaid is the driver. And Janiette is the brother of Maurisio,
who was the one yelling kipaso mao when he saw
all this. So who is Mauricio. Mauricio Leal was born
November twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four, in Cartago, Baye del Cauca, Colombia,

(13:24):
and he lived most of his life in El ech
Cafetero or the Coffee Axis, a region of Columbia that
covers the departments of Caldasa, Risa, Ralda, and Quindio. He
was the youngest of three siblings and the three were
mostly raised by Matt Leni. Their dad was in and
out of the picture for a while, and from his

(13:44):
early childhood, Mauricio showed in affinity for hairstyling. He loved
watching the difference a haircut made in someone's life. I
love that too, man, I like, I love That's why
I love makeover shows because even when they get the
clothes wrong, usually the hair is right, and it literally
takes like decades off sometimes of someone's appearance. And I

(14:06):
just I love a hair yeah, refresh makeover hmm. And
the right haircut could bring so much joy and confidence
to a person. Yeah. And he saw this and Madlenni,
his mom, seeing this, enrolled herself in beauty school, hoping
that Maurisia could join her, but also to make money,
you know, because she needed to provide for the family.

(14:27):
That's cool though, Yeah, And unfortunately he wasn't allowed inside,
but he would watch from the window. So every day
he would go with his mom and he would just
stand out the window watch. Yeah, soaking it all in
from outside. Damn. At some point you'd be like, just
let this damn kid in please, I know, but they
did it, would think. Then at fifteen, their lives changed forever.

(14:52):
Their father abandoned the family for good this time, and
now Mauricio felt responsible for providing for the family. They
moved to Santiago, Decali, and there he began to work.
He would wake up at three in the morning to
sell adipas to his neighbors. Damn, that's early. Then he
would go to school. Then after school he would work

(15:12):
in packaging. Wow, he only slept like four hours a
night to be able to do all of this. Oh
that is not nearly. No sleep. No. And then during
all this, Maldicio met a woman in church and he
was talking about his love for hairstyling, and the woman
then helped him get a job at a friend's hair
salon as a helper, so he would wash hair and

(15:34):
sweep and he spent a month working at this hair
salon watching every hairstylist, studying them. Then he went up
to the owner and asked him to let him work
as a hairstylist, like, give him his shair. I love that. Yes,
the owner was hesitant because they had only been a
month and like, yeah, it doesn't seem like a long
time at all. You know what the confidence If you

(15:56):
don't ask for something, you're not going to get it.
And what's the worst they can tell you, Like our
dad always is no. Yeah. Yeah, like if you don't ask,
the answers no anyway. Yeah. And so the owner told Mauricio,
all right, well give me a hair cut, like, let
me see your skills, and this was yeah, I would
never put him to the test. And this was Mauricio's

(16:20):
first time officially holding a pair of scissors, and he
did so good. The owner was like, here's your chair.
He's a natural. Yeah. All those lessons from the window
really paid off. Yeah, a prodigy. Wow. Despite not having
official training, he soon became the most sought after hair
stylist at that hair salon, and he was booked and busy.

(16:41):
The busiest customers only wanted him. Damn. He got a
huge raise and through the years he built loyal clients
who encouraged him to open his own hair salon, and
his coworkers were a little jealous. You know, who wouldn't
be a natural you'd been there years and then suddenly,
this kid would never held a better scissors is better

(17:02):
than you. Damn. I'd be low key jealous too. Yeah.
And at home, while his mom was so proud of him,
his brother Johniette, was also a little jealous. Oh no,
you know what, There's some people that are just so
charismatic and talented that they drive everyone around them to
be jealous. I'm not one of them. I'm not saying

(17:23):
that's me. I'm just saying that some people are like that. Yeah,
And some people are so full of like lows of
fustine that they can't help. But they can't be happy
for that person. They have to be jealous. And I
think that was the case here with Johniette or something.
But none of this stopped Maudisio. At twenty two, he
opened Mauris That's Young in the Santa Monica neighborhood of Galli,

(17:49):
and he was known as the best of the best,
and he was so booked they had to hire more employees,
including his own brother, Johniette. Eventually he moved to Bogata,
where he opened another hair salon and more clients began
to arrive, and by now Colombian actresses, singers, and beauty

(18:10):
queens were regulars of his sam So then he started
getting spotlights and local magazines, TV shows and movies. I
love that. And even though his fame was growing, everyone
described him as like still this very humble kind person.
I knew. I knew there would be no other description,
right right, need Yeah, And he wanted more, and together

(18:35):
with the friend slash client of his, he opened a
salon in Miami, Miami, see Miami. But this unfortunately didn't
go as planned because he had no idea that this
friend of his had ties with drug traffickers, so as
in her her own Poppy was in a US prison

(18:55):
for drug trafficking charges, not a cartel napple baby. Yeah,
I feel like she should have disclosed this, I mean,
by the way, I think so. And because of those
ties with her, he ended up in what was called
the Clinton List. And I didn't know that that's what
this was called, at least in Latin America. That's what

(19:16):
it's called. It's a list of people or entities that
the Office of Foreign Assets Controlled keeps. And this list
of people or entities have been designated as engaged in
specified criminal activity and thus forbidden to enter the US
and forbids anyone from doing business with them, and so
then his accounts were all frozen because of this. But

(19:38):
he was able to you can leave this list. You
can prove that you don't have anything to do with this,
and so he did that. He got out of the list.
But during all this, with his businesses and everything on hold,
he took removed himself from his business and put his
mom in charge, and then hired lawyers, and he was
able to prove his innocence and he was delisted, meaning
removed from said Clinton list. But for some reason, the

(20:02):
fact that he put his mom in charge during all
this and not Johniette made his brother Johnie so jealous
and resentful. Wow. Yeah. Once Mauriso was able to he
returned to Colombia and continued working, bought a condo where
he and his mom moved into, and in the meantime,

(20:23):
Johniette decided to go at it on his own without
his brother, but he wasn't anywhere near as successful. He
had to close his salon in twenty twenty because it
just wasn't making enough money or any really. Maunicio, on
the other hand, was swimming in success. He had just
been hired to do Tilda Swinton's makeup Whoa for the

(20:46):
twenty twenty one film Memoria, which was like a shorten
film Festivals, so like an independent film or something like that. Yeah,
but like huge deal mm hmm. And he was now
through seven. He reached the success that he always wanted,
once again, much better off than Johnid, who had actually

(21:08):
just asked to move in with Maudisio and his mom
after his relationship didn't work out, and Maudisio, well after
his salon and his relationship didn't work out. Maudisio of
course said yes. And so this takes us to November
twenty second, twenty twenty one. Maudisio, again at the top
of his game, was set to do the makeup for

(21:31):
Missuniversoon at six nineteen in the morning, Yaid, the driver,
got a text message from Maudisio telling him to just
meet him straight at the salon because he was going
to sleep in And this again was weird because Maudiso
never did this, And once he got to Yaid got
to the salon, Maurisiol did not show up, and Yaid

(21:52):
and his daughter, who his daughter helped at the salon.
They tried calling and calling and it wasn't until eleven
am that morning that they were able to Contactjohniete, who
agreed to meet them at the condo at two pm.
And so, you know, like I said earlier, once they
met there, joaniet he was the one who was like strongly,
not strongly, but like really telling yaid, like just go

(22:15):
through a window, like the doors locked, just go through
the window. Like he didn't go through his window himself.
He told ya to do it right. It's strange. And
that's where they came across the scene of the crime.
And so when they entered and first saw the horrible,
horrible scene of like Melicio and his mom dead, they
also saw that there was a glass of wine on

(22:36):
the dresser next to the bed, and sleeping pills and
a letter or a note, and so they called the police,
who then arrived at four pm that day. They found
that two knives were used as the murder weapons, as
well as they were there to you know, collect evidence.
So the note on the dresser was collected and then
here's what it said, ola as Janos Nadia sabe load

(23:03):
yo macao and cuccios amis so renoso on se And
then you know in English, hi to everyone, forgive me.
I can't do this anymore. No one knows everything about anyone.
I have just stabbed myself with knives for my nephews

(23:28):
and my brothers. I leave them everything with all my love.
Forgive me, mom. Eleven twenty four does not seem like
a well thought out no at all. Stabbing oneself, I
think is not that common of a way to end

(23:49):
one's life. So exactly, the numbers on the note ended
up being the pain to his phone, and this read
like a suicide note. But investigators and like basically everyone
were very skeptical. The handwriting did match Maudisio's, but things
didn't add up. It was written in a rush, they

(24:11):
could tell that, so they believed that he had been
forced to write this before being murdered. And when investigators
questioned Yaid, the driver, he mentioned that Johniette pressured him
to go through the window, and he also mentioned the
message he received at six nineteen in the morning and
how it just didn't seem like it had been written
by Mauricio and it was out of character. When investigators

(24:36):
questioned johnieed, he seemed so confident, and he told him
that he took sleeping pills and he didn't hear anything
during the night, and then in the morning he left
and he didn't know what happened. Sure, but you know,
Junior's statement just kind of like all fell apart. When
the autopsy results were done on the twenty fourth of November,

(24:57):
and as the investigation continued, it was disc that Marleni
had been stabbed four times in her sleep. Mauricio had
fought his attacker and had been stabbed four times in
the abdomen, which of course is like does not match,
Like why would he stab himself four times to kill himself?
Like that doesn't make it, doesn't know. From the aptosi,

(25:18):
they could tell that two separate knives had been used
to stab Maurisio, and again that just doesn't add up
with suicide, Like how would he stab himself one three
times with a different knife, then go to the kitchen,
grab a different knife, sit down on his bed again,
stab himself and then leave that knife in there, Like
it absolutely didn't add up. Yeah, And then there was
a toxicology report. It came up that Maurisio and his

(25:44):
mom had a lot of zopiclone in their system, and
this is the sedative used to treat insomnia, and so
they were like, yeah, at the time of death, Johniette
was for sure home and like he should have heard something, right. Friends,
longtime clients of Maurisio, took to social media to post
to post about the loss and how much Mauiso would

(26:06):
be missed and just all good things about him, of course,
and absolutely no one believed that it was suicide. Investigators
were looking for like potential enemies of Mauricio or like
rival hairstylists, anything that would lead them to the killer,
but they figured it had to be someone close because
there was no signs of force entry. The knives came

(26:28):
from the kitchen. Meanwhile, all mean, like aside from that,
johni ed kept talking to the media about how he
would take over his brother's hair salon now in his absence,
and he was the one repeating how Mauricio killed their
mother and then himself Wow, all while wearing Maudsio's favorite jacket. Man,

(26:52):
it's like, it's just not like you God for him. No.
Investigators in the meantime had finally gotten access to surveillance
from the condo and so they saw that on the
twentieth of November, at nine fifty one, pm, Maudisio had
gotten home. Then at ten fifty five pm, about an
hour later, Johniette got home and the next day Johaniette

(27:15):
was seen leaving on the twenty first at noon to
buy food. He was back at two pm. At six
pm he left for a party. This is all in
the twenty first. While at that party, he received a
voice note that was for Maudisio asking him to stop
for some cookies on his way home, and that was
proven to be him. He was actually the one to

(27:36):
send that voice note, just asking for cookies. So he
was like pretending to be no, no, no, it was him.
Oh it was Maodisio. Yeah, oh, asking for cookies. So
that shows that at he was still alive at that point, Yes,
he was still alive. And at eleven thirty seven on
the twenty first, Joaniette is seen returning to the condo.

(27:59):
The result of the autopsy, it was discovered that the
double murder had to have taken place between eleven forty
five pm and five fifty three in the morning. And
again it was six fifteen when Yaid received that alleged
text for Maudisio, and so then Johniette is seen leaving
at eleven thirty seven on the twenty second, the day

(28:21):
he texted Maudisio that he wasn't home around that same time,
but he was home. He had just left. Wow. So
surveillance tapes proved that Johniette was the only one who
had entered the condo and exited like several times. No
one else was there except him and then obviously Maudisio
and his mom. They also found mad Lennie's blood on

(28:43):
one of Johnier's towels, and they found cleaning supplies and
a mop in Johnia's room which normally were kept like
in this central closet where the cleaner accessed all this stuff.
Makes sense. Yeah. They also found that mad Leni had
been murdered in another part of the house and then
to Maudiceo's bed, So at this point they were definitely

(29:04):
focusing on Johniette as the main and soul suspect of this.
They found that he had some cuts on his arms
and he was like, oh, this this is from work.
I'm a hairstylist, I work with sancers, but no, they
were defensive wounds of likely from the fight with Maudicio.
And then they looked through his financials, and they saw
that he was in serious debt, very serious debt. They

(29:26):
also proved that he had not been asleep during the
time of the murders like he had first claimed, because
they like checked his phone records and he was on
social media most of the night. Oh wow, except except
when he was killing them, for the hours the potential
hours of the murder murders taking place. So like, again,
none of this is looking good. So then on January fourteenth,

(29:49):
twenty twenty two, he was officially charged with both murders
and his arrest was ordered and when police arrived, he
he didn't resist anything. He asked for a plea deal
instead that he would declare himself guilty for a shorter sentence,
And then on the twenty ninth of March he accepted
the charges. He apologized to the public. So like, it's

(30:11):
looking like, yeah, he's accepting guilt or admitting guilt. Yes,
But then the following month his lawyer was like, Nope,
we're not accepting the deal and mcclent is not guilty, buddy,
that isn't a word. Doesn't work like that. You already apologized, Yeah,
if you hadn't done anything, why were you why were
you apologizing? You know, right, So then the trial proceeded

(30:32):
and like details came out during the trial that again
was like there's no other way that this was anyone else.
It was found that the sleeping pills that they had
been drugged were Junior's of course, like who else, And
then that yeah, he killed his mom first, then maud

(30:54):
Coco his brother, when he tried to stab madi Ceo.
That's when he woke up. They fought. He met It's
just dab Maudis with the same knife he had used
on their mom, and Maloriso was still alive. Johnia had
ran to the kitchen to grab a different knife, and
this is when he forced Maudisio at knife point to
write that note that was in his handwriting but was
like supposed to be a suicide note, but of course

(31:17):
it just was like not. Yeah, after the note was written,
then he sabbed him again finally like killing him, and
then he tried to clean the area move is then
that's when he moved his mom to Madiso's bed from upstairs.
So like because people were like, well, why did he

(31:38):
kill his mom when din't he just killed Maody? So
if he wanted Melodys's money, but he needed her out
of the way too because last time Malodiso because the
money would go to him. Yeah, last time Madiso's businesses
were in trouble, he left everything to his mom and
so Johnia was like, I don't want that to happen again,
and that's why he had to do it to both
of them so he could have everything. Yeah, and still

(31:59):
he tried to not guilty again in March twenty twenty three,
which only delayed the trial even more. In September of
twenty twenty three, there was like a new witness suddenly.
Her name was Francisca Terre Si Munos, and she said
she had remained silent for months because someone threatened her
and her son, but now she was sick and didn't
have a lot of time left, so she felt like
she needed to talk. And so she said that Maudisio's

(32:22):
half brother, So the other brother was in jail for
abusing a minor and he had been calling her from
jail to ask her to talk to his mom to
let him out, which I don't even know how that
would work. So like Madiso's half brother had been calling
this woman. Yeah, it could even be built out, Like,

(32:44):
is that what you're sounding? Yeah, maybe that's all I
could find about this, And I'm like, what does this mean?
So maybe it was bailing him out. I'm not sure.
It sounds like that would be the most likely that
makes that makes sense? Yeah, and his because his mom
wouldn't do that. And so then he was threatening that
when he finally served his time, he would kill his
mom and his brother, both of them. But this ended

(33:06):
up being like a fake testimony. Oh so she was lying. Yeah, why,
I don't know. I could not find more information. Maybe
someone paid her, I don't know, or maybe maybe she
just wanted I don't know. I don't know, but it
wasn't true. But this delayed, like the trial even more.

(33:27):
I don't know if it's like the system there they
have to like investigate every new appeal or what. Because
by January twenty four, twenty twenty four, there was yet
another trial. Oh wow. And during this trial, Junior's lawyers
were trying to say, like he needed to go free
because this trial was going nowhere. The judge was like, no,
we're investigating this. This is being declined. He's not being

(33:50):
let go for time served. Like no, And then in February,
a new trial began and so he had been charged
with both me along with the obstruction of justice. He declared
himself not guilty again after prosecution presented their evidence. It
was pretty obvious to the judge who then declared him

(34:13):
guilty on the twenty sixth of February of twenty twenty four.
And I'm like, why did it take so I don't
understand why it took so long. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, So, yeah,
he was declared guilty. He received a sixty year sentence.
The motive had been pretty clear to everyone that he
just he wanted his brother's money because he was in
severe debt. But Jorniette insisted he was innocent again and

(34:35):
he like apparently tried to appeal again, but this time
it was like no, They're like no, you're out of appeals, dude, Yeah,
like no more. So. Yeah, that was the case of Maurisio. Wow.
What a sad case of sibling revalry gone deadly. And
I don't know, like what could have prevented such a situation.

(34:59):
I don't No, obviously there's something's really wrong with the brother.
But right like I wonder what it like if he
would just have, like I don't know, enjoyed his brother's
success and just like works with him, and like, yeah,
but what caused him to be so jealous? You know,

(35:20):
like was my attention given? Obviously not to blame the mom,
but like you know what I mean, like yeah, or
was he just jealous? You know, right, maybe a little
bit of both? Who knows? But it is very sad
that he Yeah, like I mean again, a life taken
too soon? Two lives taken too soon? Oh, two lives
of course. Yeah, I was thinking of mounties only, but

(35:42):
obviously their mom as well. Yeah, definitely like a lot
going on there that like, yeah, who knows how this
could have been prevented, but but yeah, it was very
clear in like the posts that all his clients and
friends made that he was absolute loved and mourned, and like,

(36:04):
you know, who knows what else you could have done
accomplished if it wasn't for his brother. Yeah, Okay, we'll
take a little break here and then we'll be back
with spooky recommendations and or something that has brought less
bitterness to us more happiness, you know, and we're back.

(36:30):
Do you have either one of those? I watched the
movie nope. Oh yeah, it's on Netflix. Wait how do
you not watch watch it before they watched it? Yeah,
you never told me about it. I feel like this
is the alien one, right, Yeah, yes I did watch it.
O fitting we talked about alien abductions, alien sightings, and

(36:53):
yeah I watched that movie. I loved. Now this is
the sibling dynamic that is normal and healthy. Yes, yes
it is. Wow, like that movie has everything we talked
about today. Insane. Actually I'm a little scared, what but no,

(37:13):
it was really good. It was weird. So it follows
to siblings that work with They have like a ranch
or something. They work with horses and they use those
horses like for movies. They they are like the animals
that come out in the movies or whatever. But the
movie opens and then it follows them in the ranch
when they yeah, because their dad just passed away and

(37:36):
they're trying to keep his business. But their dad was
the one that was well known for this. And yeah,
because the dad can't do this. The dad had like
both of them, right, he was well, obviously they're his kids, right,
but he was like disciplined, a leader, but charismatic. So yeah,
so the dad like basically has the skills needed to
keep this business afloat right and more than a float

(37:56):
but successful. And his kids siblings that don't have that,
like the and I forgot everyone's name, so sorry about that.
But the brother he has like the discipline and the
motivation to keep the up business going. But Christma not
the chrisma. He sucks. Everyone hates him. Yeah, And the
sister has a Christma but no discipline, no interest. Really

(38:19):
she's like, yeah, He's like, you need to stop treating
this like a side job. And she's like, this is
my side job. So it's key Key Palmer. Yes, yes,
I love Key Palmer and anything everything she's in. Yeah,
and so anyway, so it's about them trying to keep
up itsiness going, and then it turns out they're not
doing too good at that. So then the brother and

(38:41):
I forgot his name, like, but he's like in every
Jordan Pean movie. Yeah, Daniel, I don't know his laws
name coo. Yeah, yah, I don't know. I just said
I don't know his last name. Yeah. He to keep
the this is going, he has to sell some of

(39:02):
the horses to Stephen and I always say his last
name wrong. Oh. From the Walking Den Yeah, and Une. Yeah.
He to his little cowboy attraction theme park situation. Very
It also reminds me of Trek of what's his name,

(39:25):
the short King who far Away Land, his you know,
the entrance of his Yeah, that's what reminds me of
But anyway, so he has to sell some horses to him,
and then the movie actually opens with the scene of
a monkey killing people, and I was like, what's going on?
And then so I I'm dumb, So I didn't truly
understand that ty In. And then what kind of what

(39:47):
it got from it was that Stephen his character. He
was on the show right with this monkey who ends
up going crazy or does he go crazy or is
he just a monkey? I don't know, but you know
what I mean, Well, it's it's all it all has
to do with like capitalism and exploitation of animals. I
thought my thought was that Stephen because at the end

(40:10):
of the monkey's killing rampage, he doesn't kill Steven. Instead,
he fizz bumps him and then he gets shot. And
so then Steven tries to exploit the alien as part
of an attraction for his Cowboy Land or whatever he
calls it. Yeah, and his whole his whole situation, his

(40:31):
old his whole business is like, well, yeah, that's besides
the point. Yeah, I'm talking about I thought that he
My thought process was that maybe he thought because the
monkey didn't kill him, he thought he could tame the
alien for his Yes, it's all yeah, yeah, you you
were spot on. Yeah that's at least that's what I
understood from it too. Okay. Yeah, So and then on

(40:53):
the other hand, Daniel's character is he actually understands animals.
And that's I guess you know what, I did get it.
I just hadn't really, I hadn't talk it out, and
I tried to talk it out with Paul, and you
know what, He's just not in two movies the way
that I am. Right, we need to dissect and yep,
for so long should we yap about Nope, not, well

(41:15):
I'm already talked about it, so yeah yeah, but but yeah,
so even in the beginning when he had he takes
his horse to a movie and he tries to like
explain like, hey, like the horse is not ready yet,
we need to take the horse's cues, and of course
the movie people don't listen to him, and the horse
ends up blashing out, and because of that experience, then

(41:35):
Daniel's able to put two together and he's like, wait,
don't make eye contact with this alien thing, and so
in the end they're able to sort of get rid
of it. I did know it's kind of at the end,
so I forgot how it ended. I just looked that
Kiki did something, so I was like, the big unicorn,

(41:56):
not unicorn, like a big cowboy inflatable or something. Yeah
like that. But but yeah, it was interesting for a
LA movie. It was good. I loved it. Yeah. I
do wish I would have seen that in theaters because
I feel like the sound design would have been that's
where you could just absorb it best, because like you
have the big giant speakers and I feel like there
would have been like sound from over here and over there.

(42:18):
But I watched it at home, so yeah, I didn't
have that. But yeah, it's it's a pretty good movie.
I liked it. I one. I'm currently reading The Buffalo
Hunter Hunter by Stephen Graham Jones. It's part of Aiden

(42:40):
Susto's book club, so I'm trying to finish it by
the end of this month because then he has he's
gonna have like a zoom to discuss it. So if
anyone wants to do that with him, go to Susto
Socials to check out more info on this. So far,
the premise really good. I'm like halfway through it maybe,
and I'm really enjoying it so far. It's a different

(43:01):
type of vampire story and oh it's vampires. Yes, Okay,
I need to listen. I wanted to listen to it,
but then I was listening to too many things at once,
or had meme that you sent me about me, like
reading a physical book and audiobook and then all your
holds coming through through Libby. That's Karmen, It's me anyway,

(43:22):
because so yeah, I started reading that, but then also
my hold for how to send it to a dictator
came through. Oh so I'm reading that, I said. I
also started that, yes, and I started with Chica, but
that one I'm just going through slowly because again the
library book has a date that I need to give
it back. So yeah, that's where I'm at. Because my
hold for Julie China's Dead came through, and I meant

(43:45):
to start with Chica, but I can't start it until
I finished Julie China is dead, and I'm also slowly
going through the book forestood as unknown, right, And then
a bunch of holds came through from Libby and and
the worst, the worst thing I did to myself was
I have another library app. If anyone's in California, by
the way, they should check it out. The app is

(44:06):
called Palace, and then you search California Bookshelf in the
app Palace, and it's for all California residents. But so
I'm listening to my work book club book through there,
and I was already listening to something else, and then
I had a hold come through that I haven't started,
but the book's only four hours long. It's called Death Eater.
Have you heard of it? No? Wait, is it Dead Theater?

(44:29):
Is it earth Theater? It's not Death Theater? That's Harry Potter. Shit,
It's called earth Eater pretty sure? Earth Eater by the Lotos. Yes,
So yeah, once I listened to that, I am hoping
to talk about it. So yeah, my hold for that
came through. And then my hold for I got abducted
by aliens. And now I'm traveling a rom com came through.

(44:49):
That sounds cool, I know, that's I based office title
as I put my hold on it, and uh yeah,
so here I am. Yeah, and a reminder, what she
got is our current book club book. I haven't sent
out the official email to the book club people. I
will do that. I keep forgetting, but that is the
current book club book. And what else was I going

(45:11):
to say? Another role? You just talking about Buffalo lunch?
Or is that all you were going to say? That's
different and it's about vampires. Oh yeah, that's all I
was gonna say, because I haven't finished reading it. Oh,
but I do have another spooky recommendation, well spooky things
that I'm not sure I recommend it. I don't know
how I feel about it. I've only watched the first
two episodes. But it's a show. It's a show on

(45:32):
Hulu called Surreal Estate. I only started watching it because
it has Twila from Shit's Creek. Oh and god, what's
his name? He was like the first love interest for Alexis.
That wasn't Ted. Oh, I'll just say Ted, No, no,
not Ted with the beer. Mut Mutt, Yeah, Mutt, Mutt

(45:54):
and Twila are interesting. But the whole premise is that
he is there real estate agents, but the houses that
they deal with are ponted with something and in order
to sell them, they have to like deal with the hunting.
And I'm only like two episodes in, but I mean comedy,
it's not like this amazing like yeah, breathtaking like Emmy
Award like no, but it's entertaining. And yeah, I also

(46:18):
heard there was Degrassi cast members in it. Is it
like a sitcom? No, not a sitcom to come like
there's no like, oh, but it's a comedy laugh track. Yeah,
I would say like comedy mostly. I'm gonna check itl Hulu. Yes, yeah,
real estate. And I heard there was Degrassy actors in
it also, and so Shit's Creak and Degrassy actors. But

(46:40):
what if Ellie's in it because she was in Shit's Creek,
she might be. Yeah, I don't know which de Grassy actors,
but for sure Mud from Shit's Creek and twy them
they're the main like they're in the main cast. And
I don't know. Hopefully it hasn't been canceled because I
hate starting a show and then like it's canceled then
like yeah, no, there's no resolution. But I've been enjoying
that so far. So yeah that I guess that is

(47:03):
my recommendation. Then, yeah, anything else to add, No, I
don't think so I have one more thing to time.
Oh sorry, why do you ask me? Just go ahead.
A reminder that if you send us proof that you've
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(47:25):
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go there and they detain a bunch of them, right,
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(47:48):
well we've already donated, and again part of Patreon funds
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I will send you a sticker, just in a Spooktao
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you're helping out those who are the most in need
right now, and instead of panicking and you know, driving

(48:09):
in despair like sometimes I tend to do this. These
are the things we can't do. It's hard, it really is.
But yeah, I mean it's like you said, like try
to find different ways you can help, and it's okay
to be sad and angry, but don't stop there. I guess. Yes, yes,

(48:30):
I just saw this. You know those cheesy memes that
are like Mikha, it's okay to cry, but then like
ba and keep going. But you know what I need
very millennial Latina of you. Yeah, very boss girl, millennial
latinam you know. Yeah, but I needed to see it.
So so yeah, that's you know, something that we can
all do because yeah, it's hard to see. First I

(48:54):
don't know about everyone else, but like literally just ice
driving down the street. You know, I haven't seen any
I have and I'm like, what are they doing here?
Get out of here? Yeah. But also just you know,
tuning in around you and just seeing people that look
exactly like you all being rounded up, right, And that's

(49:14):
it's been a not going issue. Like we have said
multiple like sol so many times. Right, we don't like
to repeat it now, no, we don't. It's ramping up though,
and it's very just it's very difficult to see. I
watched the I've been watching Democracy Now videos on YouTube,
but man, do I get severely depressed watching them because
it's not only the terrible things are going on in

(49:35):
the US, but like around the world that they well,
I don't know how. And then lady I don't know
her name, but I guess she probably is probably a journalist.
She's been doing Democracy Now for like a hell of
years now, because I remember watching usually I use I've
used Democracy Now for sources for unknown in the past,
but I didn't. I guess I didn't realize that they
have a current ongoing like show and that they put

(49:58):
clips on YouTube ntil recently. So I've been watching that,
and yeah, I remember from a stadis and known for
different topics. It's like stuff from like twenty fifteen years
ago that I've seen. So she's been doing this for
so long, and I'm like, how, But anyway, I watched
a video from I think it was from yesterday from
time of recording, which is sixteenth of July anyway, in

(50:20):
case they didn't want to find it, but it's probably
like a twenty minute interview with one of the congressmen
congress people from Florida who went to the concentration camp
in Florida. I'm not calling it that stupid name, right,
and he is I want to say, he's Cuban or

(50:41):
at least like has Cuban heritage or whatever. And he
mentions like going in and he's like, I'm one of
the only people that like, these people look like me.
And I realized I'm one of the only people who
can come in and leave of their own accord that
looks like me, like you know what I mean? Yeah, So,

(51:02):
like I can't imagine one being there, right, being subjected
to the atrocities that the human rights violations and atrocities
that are occurring there for profit, for greed. And then
also like when it seeing that and and yeah, looking
around and saying these people are me me, they're my family,

(51:23):
they're my you know what I mean. And I'm not
going to go on I'm going to cry already cry
it earlier today because what did they see every day?
Like crying out something at least twice a day. But yeah,
we keep going yes, yeah, yeah, and on that depressing notes.

(51:47):
Sorry to em there, it is what it is. You
know no, it is. It is. There's no denying it, absolutely,
no way to avoid it. Whatever, whatever. All right, we'll
be back next week with another paranormal and trogram case.
And yeah, other than that, I don't know. I can't
even say say a boogie, stay, stay, stay vigilant, stay biting, Yes,

(52:14):
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