January 2, 2025 • 67 mins
Ever felt trapped in your life's circumstances, unsure how to break free? Our special guest, Judy Larson, shares her profound journey from feeling out of place in her own family to navigating the pressures of adulthood. Facing a marriage to an alcoholic and the shadow of her father's struggles, Judy battled low self-esteem and depression, culminating in a pivotal episode that challenged her mental health. Her story sets the stage for an exploration into holistic healing and the importance of addressing the whole person in the quest for wellness.
Judy also open up about her transformative journey, sparked by a critical therapy session that helped her confront buried emotions, including anger towards her father. This path led her through challenges like divorce and financial fears, ultimately embracing a holistic approach to mental health. She pursued a degree in social work, realizing the limitations of traditional methods, and found personal healing with universal love and guidance. These experiences have inspired her to consider writing a book, despite initial doubts about her writing skills.
We delve into themes of empowerment and personal transformation, highlighting the upcoming Wise Woman Academy, designed to support women ready to embrace their inner wisdom. Throughout our discussion, the three of us emphasize the importance of love and forgiveness in overcoming trauma and choosing one's community. We touch on the complexities of childhood trauma, the power of spiritual connections, and the journey from living in the mind to living in the heart. Join us for a heartfelt conversation that encourages embracing unique journeys with love, trust, and a community spirit.
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Candace Patrice (00:05):
Hello and welcome back to another episode
of Essential Mental Healing,where I am your host, candice
Patrice, and joining me, asalways and forevermore and never
leaving again, is our co-host,janet Hill, who dipped out on us
for a second last season.
(00:26):
I'm glad to be back, so glad tohave you back.
It's not the same without you,it's just not.
And we also have a guest withus today, judy Larson, or Judith
Larson.
How are you today?
I'm great.
Judy Larson (00:43):
How are you?
Candace Patrice (00:44):
Wonderful.
Tell the people a little bitabout you.
You have very special skillsand I don't know if you know,
but, as we were talking, thework that you do is also
something I'm getting into moreof and looking at the whole
person.
So I can't wait to get intothat.
But go ahead, tell them alittle bit about yourself, who
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you are, what you do, whatyou've been through, how we got
here.
We'll take them on a journey.
Janet Hale (01:10):
Let me sip this coffee, come on.
Judy Larson (01:15):
Well, my name is Judy Larson.
Like she said and it's been along story it started way back
or a long journey.
I should say it started wayback, or a long journey, I
should say, when I was fouryears old.
But I didn't know any of thatat the time.
I just knew at four years old Ididn't fit in with my family, I
didn't belong, it was justsomething different about me.
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But I just kept to myself andthat's the only way I was ever
happy, just wanted to be outsideand feel safe in my home, but
no love from my parents.
So continued on, graduated fromhigh school and was getting
ready to go to school to be ahairdresser, and at that time it
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really just took me intoanother whole element.
I lived a very, very I wouldcall, sheltered life.
I went to a Catholic school.
You went to school.
You came home.
You went to school, you camehome, unless I went to a
basketball game or something.
You weren't really out amongstthe world, you know, and so that
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was like an eye to me, ooh, andI wanted to fit in.
I wanted to be part of thecrowd, because I never fit in
before.
So what's the next thing I do Istart smoking?
What, judy, you're going tosmoke About that time?
Yeah, it's cool.
What were you smoking?
Cigarettes.
Candace Patrice (02:41):
Okay.
Judy Larson (02:43):
Not to the place.
I was smoking two packs a day,oh wow, but you know that's
another story.
I was totally delivered fromcigarettes in my journey, as as
I'll talk about so anyway, Ifinished on beauty school, got
done with that, met the fellathat was going to soon become my
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husband and we knew each otherfor six months and we got
married.
I always told myself I'd neverget married and I'd never have
kids, because nobody wants tolive like I lived.
Well, here I am married and itdidn't take long for me to
figure out oh, judy, you marriedyour dad.
(03:25):
Dad, serious alcoholic, seriousalcoholic.
So now I've got a husbandthat's an alcoholic.
But in my upbringing I was toldyou get married, you make your
bed, you live in it.
So I got to make the best of it, bed, you live in it.
So I got to make the best of it.
And then I had a child, myfirst child, and I just kept
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putting on the face looking good.
What's life like?
Oh, it's great.
Work, work, work, come home, soforth.
But that didn't last.
Pretty soon it was like oh, doI really have to stay in this
marriage?
Yada, yada, yada.
Yes, judy, you have to stay inthis marriage, don't give it any
thought.
Well, because I also had a very, very low self-esteem.
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I didn't like my body, I didn'tlike my looks.
I hated every part of my being.
And I look back and I probablyhairdressing school at that time
.
You know, look at Judy, shelooks good on the outside.
If they only knew the Judy onthe inside, because I didn't
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know that Judy either, you know,I just knew how to put on a
good act, put on a good showsmile.
It was really like I lived likea robot till I was maybe close
to my 50s You're younger butthere was a movie or a series
out years ago called StepfordWives, I think, and they get up
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like a robot.
Look good, you know, that wasme.
I fit that to a T Until one daythe depression hit me like I
can't even explain it.
It was like I didn't want toget up.
I didn't want to do anything.
It was just what's wrong withme.
For quite a while I tried toput a smile on.
In fact, my husband and I myyoungest son we took a trip to
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see his sister, and this is toshow you how bad my depression
was.
I probably I look back at itnow I should have probably been
in the hospital.
We got in the car.
I don't remember anythingexcept getting out once to go
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into the hotel so we could sleepand go on.
I felt like I was moving atsuch a slow pace, just numb.
I'd be telling myself what'swrong with me.
What's wrong with me?
It'll go away, it'll go away.
It didn't.
By the time I got to hissister's house, all I could
think of was I have to go to bed, I have to go to bed.
I just wasn't functioning.
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I don't know what she everthought.
I think I got up for maybe twohours the two days we were there
.
I just wasn't functioning andthen we left, headed back home,
and that's when I thoughtfunctioning, and then we left,
headed back home and that's whenI thought well, I gotta find
out something.
Janet Hale (06:28):
What is this, this, this?
Judy Larson (06:29):
is.
This is not right.
And um, that's when I did gosee a mental health worker just
to see, and what theyrecommended is that I go on some
antidepressants.
And I thought, nope, we don'tdo that, that's for crazy people
, judy's not going to go on anyantidepressants.
(06:51):
But I had to humble myself andeventually I did go on them and
it made a difference, you knowsome part.
But as I moved on in my life andI look back, the one thing it
did was just numb my emotionsmore.
You know now I it wasn'tfeeling anything before walking
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around like a rule, but now Iwas even more numb, but I was
functioning at a little bit of ahigher level, I guess you could
say.
And then I got to the point inmy well, there's so much I don't
know.
I left the Catholic churchbecause I knew that.
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I knew I couldn't stay in thismarriage anymore.
And it took me seeing somebodyelse, a pastor, to say, will I
really go to hell, me seeingsomebody else, a pastor, to say,
will I really go to hell if Iget a divorce?
I can't do this anymore, I justcan't do it.
Well, got out of that faith andgot the divorce and turned
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around and started going to aPentecostal church Because in my
mind at that time you better goto church because that's where
you get God's love, god'sacceptance and man's love.
You know it's all perform,perform, perform.
So I got addicted to that also.
I showed up to every solitarything.
(08:17):
There was the one real well,there was more, but the one
really good piece that came fromthat.
One day I went in with a friend.
They were doing a Bible studyand I thought a Bible study?
I've never heard of such athing.
So I thought you go to theBible study, I'll just walk
around.
So I was walking around lookingat all the little offices it
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didn't look like a church anyway.
But I heard this pastor talkingto these people about God has
free gifts.
So I tried to listen on theside Free gifts, and I thought,
oh, I never heard of that.
So I didn't give it any more.
Thought the Bible study was over, we left, went to have coffee
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and of course I was waiting tohave a cigarette.
I had a cigarette, but thatthought just didn't leave me.
So when I was dropped off athome, the first thing I did when
I got in the house is I saidyou know, guy, do you really
have free gifts?
Because if you do, I don't wantto smoke anymore.
I thought nothing will come ofthat.
(09:21):
I never had a cigarette after.
What happened is I got very sickto my stomach.
I thought I had the flu.
So I went in whatever, went tobed, woke up, the first thing I
ever did in life was grab acigarette.
I don't want a cigarette.
What, wow?
And I thought this is going towear off.
No, I've never, ever had acigarette again.
(09:45):
So I knew that I was on tosomething here, you know.
But I didn't know all what itwas.
So that just made me keep goingto that church, thinking I'm
going to find out more, find outmore.
But what happened is I becameso involved in that church to
look good, put on the good actagain, that now more depression
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was showing up, because we'd goto church and we had praise and
worship and everybody would feelgreat.
But when you went home I had mydepression.
Nothing changed in my life.
What am I doing this for?
Nothing is working.
And then, lo and behold, I leftthat church.
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But the fellow before thathappened, the fellow in church
that I could trust because Itrusted people about that much.
Come up to me.
And he said you know, judy,I've been watching you.
You've got to do somethingabout that severe depression.
And I thought what does thisguy know?
What does he want from me?
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Because I didn't trust people.
But so I put a lot of demandson him.
I said if you'll do this, this,this, this, this, this my list
was a hundred feet long.
I said maybe I'll talk to you.
He looked at me this kind offace and he said sure, I can do
that.
I said is this guy crazy?
(11:09):
And so he came to my house acouple times and I finally
started thinking well, maybe Ican open up and share a little
bit of me with that person.
And what happened is all of asudden, in our conversation,
anger came flying out of me.
(11:31):
It was like rage.
I thought what is this?
I started having a panic attack.
Janet Hale (11:37):
I thought oh, whatever, I'll get myself into
it, Yada yada, yada, yada.
Judy Larson (11:41):
He helped me get through that.
Once I could calm down, heexplained to me why that
happened.
Judy, you stuffed your feelingsaway at four years old, when
your father attempted to beatyou to death, and he said if you
don't ever look at those, youmight have freedom for a little
while, but that depression isgoing to continue and you're
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still going to walk around likea robot and wonder what kind of
life you're leading.
So the first emotion was anger,and I had a panic attack
because, see, I couldn't be incontrol of it.
I had to be in my life.
I had rules, regulations.
Everything I did every day hadto be robotic, because I had to
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be in control.
Then I felt safe.
Well, this took me out of mycontrol.
That's where the panic attackcame from.
But you know, we finished thatsession, I went out for a walk
and all of a sudden it hit me.
Something's a little different.
I don't know what it is, but Ifelt a little lighter.
I can't really explain itbecause I always lived in my
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head, and so we continued on tohave more sessions.
So what he did is he reallyopened me up to the opportunity
to start looking at someemotions, Wrote a letter to my
father, never knew how muchanger and rage I had for my
father, but I felt very guiltyabout that, because you have to
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love your parents.
You know you can't ever beangry at your parents, they're
your parents.
And that set me free of a fewmore pieces and so I could at
least say my depression wasn'tso bad.
So he quit working with me, Ihad my divorce and I started to
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have a little bit of confidenceenough to say you know, maybe I
can go to school.
I have a child to raise.
Yet how am I going to raisethis child?
Where's the income going tocome from?
Yeah, very scared, but I took arisk.
I thought, well, I either getrejected or whatever.
So I went down to the collegewhere I lived and I told them my
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situation single parent, Iwould really like to get a
better education.
And lo and behold, I qualifiedfor everything at that time.
I got grants, I got everything.
I had to go on food stamps,which was a very humbling
experience to me.
Here's a woman who can work 50hours a week, go get her make
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good money has to go on foodstamps.
So that set me down to woo.
But it also made me realizewell, do you want an education?
How are you going to raise yourson?
So I forgave myself for thatand moved on.
I did graduate from collegewith a degree in social work and
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I graduated with a 3.9.
Now, to a lot of people,whatever to me I did not do well
in school.
I was stupid.
My dad told me I was stupid.
You never gonna want to thinkso.
I went to school, went throughthe motions, you know, never got
good grades.
And uh, when I graduated withthat, I thought what 3.9?
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And here's the thought thatcame to me.
And here's the thought thatcame to me.
Judy, it was your dad that toldyou you were stupid.
You're not stupid, but itshowed me again all the messages
you listen to, all the storiesyou tell yourself Well, that's
my dad, he must know.
And so that set me free ofanother piece.
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I went into the field, workedwith adolescents for a while and
all of a sudden realizedeverybody I'm working with seems
to have addictions also.
And I told myself I'd neverwork in the addiction field
because I have a family full ofit.
But again, another humbling.
Well, how are you going to workwith these people.
They have addictions.
So I went back, got myaddiction license, was grateful
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for that, but it was like I wastelling your mom when you work,
and nothing against mainstreamsociety, mental health, whatever
I've seen it in my years anywayit helps people to a degree,
but it never helps them toreally get to the core of the
problem.
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I'm dealing with that again atwhere I work right now, but
knowing now I won't be stayingthere that much longer.
You can do trauma therapy, youcan do DBT, you can do CBT I
mean the list goes on.
I've done it from the insideout backwards.
But if you don't get to aperson's heart where the pain
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deeply is, it doesn't go away.
I'm a walking proof of that.
I had some of those.
It didn't do nothing for me.
It just didn't do anything.
And every day, as we're talking, I think about it.
I work with eating disordersright now and every day I'm only
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allowed to share so much withthe people because the rules of
no health field nothing againstthem has to be evidence-based.
It has to be this, this, this.
Okay, I could give you a roomfull of wisdom in the last three
years.
That could be in a lot betterplace if I could have worked
with them Not saying I'mwhatever, but I could get them
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to deal with where they neededto go.
And so I kind of just begrateful now that I have the job
and that I'm working and I'mdoing my own thing, so I know I
won't have to be there too muchlonger.
But in all that time of findingthat out, there's been some
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more healing take place for me.
Mm-hmm, once I had done thatsurrender and let go totally, I
was telling your mom.
It was like I can't explain itto you life-changing.
I woke up from I don't know,just a whew and inside my heart
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I felt love.
I had never felt that in mylife.
What is this?
Such a warm, welcoming feeling,and I thought I must be crazy.
This isn't going to last verylong.
Figure it all out.
Figure it all out.
But it never went away.
And then the universe startedtalking to me.
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No, first I thought I was crazyagain.
Oh no, judy.
So I talked back.
I'd say what do you want fromme?
What do you want from me?
I've done this, I've done this.
That voice, to this day, hasnot gone away.
And I wouldn't say that if thatwasn't truth beyond truth
because I have put it to thetest and beyond the test, why
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would you want to talk to me?
What do you want from me?
La la, la, la la la.
Some of the things I was askedto do, I'd question it.
I mean, I put it to whatever.
In fact, when I was shown youneed to write a book, I thought
sure you think I'm going towrite a book.
I thought sure you think I'mgoing to write a book.
I'm not a writer.
What do you want me to do?
Write a book.
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But I was guided all the way towrite that book.
So that took relief off of me.
Maybe this God isn't going toleave me one of these days, and
maybe I'm not dreaming all thisstuff up and whatever.
So anyway, along that process,with his guidance, with some
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other things, I was finallyshown, judy, you don't have to
work for other people anymore.
You're going to have your ownbusiness.
You're going to be able to workfrom your heart.
People will learn fromeverything you've been through
in your life and you'veexperienced and I thought, oh
really.
Well, I had to question that allback and forth too.
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But I wrote my book, startedwith there, and some days I'd be
sitting down how am I going todo this?
How am I going to create aprogram?
How am I?
How am I?
Whatever?
And the universe would show mepieces.
Just do a little of this.
Some days I'd be getting goingto my computer and I'd hear you
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know, we've got to writesomething, go to Word, we're
going to write something.
And I thought this can't be God, this just can't be God.
Well, again, another test.
Everything I'd write and I'dget done resonated, made so much
sense to me.
It was like right, and that'swhat led me to the place of.
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I knew then, yes, I had donehealing in my own life in many
areas, but I needed to bringthat broken piece of my soul to
total healing.
And that's when I did a soulretrieval and it just, I think
it helped me be okay with it'sokay, you don't have to think in
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your head all the time.
And I just put perspectives ona lot of things that I still was
trying to figure out in my headthat I didn't need to do
anymore.
And so, after that was done,keep working on putting my
program together, so forth, andI think I missed a little piece
in there.
In that time I also startedworking with a gentleman online
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who had worked with shamans foryears.
Well, that just zinged me,because I've always had a love
for Native Americans.
I mean, they lived a sacredlife.
They lived from the land.
They were out there to lookgood, make it good.
Universe took care of them,mother Nature took care and
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provided for them, and theyappreciated that.
We don't appreciate that in ourworld anymore.
Maybe some do.
Most don't Look what our worldis.
Take, take, take, take, takegreed, this, that hate, whatever
.
And so, anyway, it was veryinteresting and I joined his
group, which taught me a processof going from your head into
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your heart and lettingeverything dump into what you
call a vortex.
It dumps into the vortex.
The universe takes it, takes it.
It's gone.
You can't take it back.
I thought you watch me.
I couldn't.
It was gone and things really,really started to change in my
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life.
And then you can go back toputting the program together.
I've got it almost to finishand what it will be about.
There will be shamanism piecesin there, because I've been
shown I'm a shaman medicinewoman.
Well, I didn't want to own thateither.
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I thought what?
Yeah, I like the shamans, but Iwas shown I have shamanism in
my ancestry and they're workingwith me to help me do this work,
to help heal people in the landagain.
So that made me feel a littlebit better.
So my program, you know, isgoing to have some of that in
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there.
It will have the soul retrieval, it will have going back and
doing some womb healing forwomen that are disconnected from
trauma or rape, maybe amarriage, that type thing, and
it'll also have a flicker ofsome pieces of modern-day mental
health when they say innerchild.
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But I do it from a wholedifferent perspective yeah yeah,
coming with inside myself, notfrom the book, says what you're
supposed to do.
Yes, you know.
Yes, yeah, I don't live fromhere anymore.
It took me 50 years to go fromhere to here.
Yes, because of what society?
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What I learned brainwash,whatever what I still see
everywhere I go, and so I'mexcited about that.
And I could go on and on.
But really, what I really wantto share with you is the women
that I'm going to work with.
Are women who know they havesome wisdom, they know there's
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something more to them, but theygot to be really ready to do
the hard work.
I work with women that aren'tfully committed to themselves to
make the change, because it'snot easy work but it's rewarding
work.
When they're done, they willknow themselves, like I know
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myself and everything that Iteach, and so they have to be
committed.
They have to really be ready tosay I'm fully going to do this
because I'm a prettystraightforward person.
Not everybody's going to likemy personality because I tell it
like it is.
That's okay.
Somebody had to tell me like itis so that I could finally wake
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up, judy and get it together,and so that's where I'm headed.
That's what I'm going to bedoing.
I do like what we're doing nowsome podcasts.
I'm on Instagram and I wouldsay what's your Instagram?
My Instagram is JudyLarson34.
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You'll see some of my things inthere and what I've shared, but
I'm going to start coming at itfrom a whole new angle because
it's going to be prettystraightforward.
Our world doesn't have time tomess around anymore.
Either you want to work onyourself or you go find somebody
else.
That sounds cruel.
I don't care.
(25:50):
That's love.
I care enough about you thatI'll stick with you, but you've
got to stick with you, you know?
Yeah, so I would say my funnelto put out to people.
Maybe three weeks it'll be upand running.
There's some few details I'mstill working on, and it will be
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called the Wise Woman Academy.
It's for wise women.
We as women are wise, very wise, and especially those that have
been through hell and back.
But you have to be ready towork on it too.
So that's why mystraightforwardness the way I do
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things.
I have empathy, I'm there forthem, but I'm not going to play
a game or whitewash it because Iwill do them a disservice.
I was done that disservice foryears, but nobody's fault.
That's what they knew.
And you won't find my programout there, not that, oh look at
Judy.
My program isn't a program thata lot of people put out there.
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It's from my heart and soul thepain that I went through, the
things that I had to do to getwhere I'm at today, and I'm
going to give that to thosewomen as long as they're
committed to themselves.
Candace Patrice (27:13):
Thank you, judy .
That tells you something aboutno, you, you know you.
Um, I wanted to hear your fullstory because it gave so much.
Um, you walked us through theshame, the guilt, hope, faith,
our subconsciousness, um,realization of pain and what
that looks like, and I generallyI ask a lot of questions to get
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to that point, but you kind ofgave it all out and I found
something very interesting inwhat you were saying and one of
those things about mental healthbeing evidence-based.
But realistically, we areevidence.
We are our own evidence and ourstories.
It takes so long to get thethings published and get it Okay
.
I have to show that otherpeople are going through this,
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which means I have to find otherpeople in the same situation,
but I am my own evidence.
I am showing you that I've beenthrough the pain.
I'm showing you how I've workedthrough it.
I'm showing you what worked,and searching and seeking for
the answers is something that isgoing to get you where you need
to be.
It's when you stop seeking thatyou stop growing.
And hearing you talk about love, love being the greatest.
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I am more biblically based thesedays and one of those things is
love and love being thegreatest things of the being the
greatest of all things, and soanother thing that came to my
mind was that you had trustedyour parents, like in your mind,
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your you know your parents areright, they do everything, and
so a very trustworthy person fedyou some information that puts
you in a space that wasn't great, and you couldn't trust anybody
else because trust meant thattrust meant pain.
So you opened up to find thatone person who said what is it
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that you need?
I'll give you what you need andwe'll unlock it together.
And so your trust began to lookdifferent, because trust now
didn't only parallel with yourdad and disappointment.
Now trust can parallel withsomething good, but trust within
yourself and trust with knowingwho to trust and what to listen
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to and what works for you.
I had another question.
I mean you had me going.
I was writing stuff down thecigarettes.
You started smoking cigarettesat what age Do you remember?
Judy Larson (29:36):
I started smoking cigarettes when I was in beauty
school.
I was 18 years old.
Candace Patrice (29:42):
You stopped smoking cigarettes when you were
how old?
Judy Larson (29:45):
35.
That's a long time.
Candace Patrice (29:49):
Back then, when did you go to two packs a day?
Do you remember I?
Judy Larson (29:52):
suppose it just started increasing because you
could smoke at work, you couldsmoke anywhere you wanted to go,
okay, yeah.
So I was a chain smoker, gotcha, as soon as I got out of bed,
have a cigarette.
Last thing I do before I wentto bed have a cigarette.
You know, smoke everywhere, andthat's why it was such a shock
to me.
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When it's gone, it's reallygone.
Candace Patrice (30:17):
I was waiting for it to come back too and not
have an inkling of somethingyou've been doing for the past.
What's this?
Almost 20 years, exactly, ofcourse, being biblically rooted.
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It's that lean.
Not on your own understanding,because I mean, where did that
come from?
You have no explanation forthat, except for something
greater.
The universe deliveredsomething within you which is
awesome, and I love how you takeus on this journey, on how bad
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it is, because it's a bad storyand I don't mean that in a bad
way, but it is truly.
People are going through things,people are hurting, People need
to know that even the darkestparts can be healed.
And you are literally like.
We hear people say it oh,you'll get through it, just have
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faith, just believe it's okay.
But realistically, when you'resitting in that space, you don't
want to hear that, because it'snot.
It doesn't feel realistic.
How can you tell me somethingis going to happen to me?
I'm like if somebody would havetold you, let's say, at 34, you
won't be a chain smoker, youprobably would have looked at
them and laughed and you're justgoing to wake up one day and
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not want to.
You're not going to have to doanything else.
You probably would have beenlike you're crazy.
Someone put them in a mentalhome because they're speaking
crazy things.
But you are again evidence ofwhat is to come, what can happen
, what faith looks like, whatdoing the work looks like.
Like you said, you're onlywanting to take on women who are
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actually ready to do the work,people who are on their
alchemist journey, who want tofind the greater good at the end
of the day, their own purpose.
What is the will that is setforth for them?
Like, okay, things happenbecause you have to learn from
them.
This is a story, this issomething you're going to teach
someone else so that you canhave a testimony, so that you
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can share with others that thisspace that we're in doesn't have
to be let's get somewheregreater.
And I feel like your program issomething that will help women
really get past that.
And you talked about therapy,and therapy, to me, keeps you
depending on the therapist, cankeep your trauma at the
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forefront, whereas coaching orprograms that are really here to
help take that trauma and findthe good in it.
So what good came from that?
What do you want your future tolook like?
What action steps will youstart taking to be that person
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you want to be.
Especially, action steps willyou start taking to be that
person you want to be,especially if you say you're
ready to do the work.
Well, it's going to take somework.
It's not just showing up once aweek for 45 minutes to an hour,
talk about it and go back anddo the same things, because
you've gotten the same resultsthat you've been getting when
you've been doing those things.
So do you want differentresults?
Different results is going totake different work.
Different work goes withchanging your thought processes
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of what this work looks like,breaking down everything that
has just been taught to you.
That is universal.
That is status quo.
I'm sure the government got towhere it is today because
somebody always wanted a littlebit more and they stopped
leading with a little more loveand they started leading with a
little more desires for more,wanting for more to be on top,
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and then being lost intranslation of self, but now not
knowing who am I.
What is good?
Now you pass that down and ourconsciousness holds on to these
things.
Now you pass that down and ourconsciousness holds on to these
things and now we don't knowwhere we're getting it from.
But if we are closest to ourconsciousnesses, if we're all
one collective conscious butwe're closest to next
consciousness so that itcontinues to elevate and grow.
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I'm going to be quiet becauseI'm just talking and I'm going
to keep going.
Judy Larson (34:40):
That's because you're excited about what you're
doing.
Candace Patrice (34:44):
I'm excited about what you're doing.
Janet Hale (34:47):
That was the part because I was listening to you
and I thought she's working fromher heart, yes, from her head.
Yep, and what people?
And this is a thing, becauseyou know we get degrees and blah
blah.
You know all kinds of thingscan happen and that's beautiful,
I'm not knocking it.
However, there's the policiesand different things of that
nature that can get in the wayof some of our healing
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techniques.
Techniques, whereas when youhave your own program, who
remembers the four-year-old?
There are many others and theyneed someone who can tap into
that four-year-old and help thatfour-year-old free themselves.
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And also, what I heard with youis that this will be a painful,
you know, and one of the thingsI say in order to get through
it, you got to go through it.
So let's do it, let's.
Are you ready?
I'm curious about yourmeasuring what, what, how are
you going to measure whether ornot they're ready.
Yes.
Judy Larson (35:48):
Okay, when I talk to them, you know if I start
having the first conversationwith them, whatever by the
things they say to me.
You know well this and maybe'malready wanted yeah you know
they have to be ready.
And I asked him are you ready togo down into that pain in your
heart that you've been holdingback all this time?
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Because if you're not, I can'thelp you.
You know, I'll also tell thembecause I do work from my heart,
not my head and what it took toget there.
I will know just by intuitionwhether you're ready or you're
not.
Janet Hale (36:26):
And I'll just be honest with them, because maybe
years back I couldn't pick thatup.
Judy Larson (36:31):
I can now because of my own work.
So it won't take me long tofigure that out if they're just
giving me a song and dance orthey're really ready to do the
work and I'll be able to pick up.
Oh, maybe this one needs someuh womb healing, maybe not.
Maybe they need over herebecause of all that I've done
and now live in the heart.
Janet Hale (36:52):
I'll know yeah, and I also heard you talk about
working with the nativeamericans.
I think it's so deep and sobeautiful.
Okay, oh, no, right.
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And so to be able to stepoutside of what we are used to
or what we've grown up with, orhowever that goes, and to be
able to look at differenthealing processes that have
worked for generations that weoften do not talk about.
However, it sounds like you'recourageous enough to say hey,
I'm willing to look at thispiece of it.
I'm willing to look at how theNative Americans loved the land,
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respected the land, respectedtheir people, respected they
were allowed to try to make itlook good or whatever.
Judy Larson (37:49):
And I will eventually do some other things
ceremonies, that kind of things.
I get it Because I've done somebreath work for about a year
that took me back with myancestors and showing me some
things and whatever.
So that'll come.
But first the people I'm goingto work with have to work
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through this stuff first.
Janet Hale (38:12):
Yeah, but I like that you're even looking at it.
Oh yeah definitely You'relooking at it.
It's like, okay, she's lookingat different ways of doing
things.
Judy Larson (38:22):
Something about the Native Americans since I was a
kid has been in my heart, butnow I know why.
Candace Patrice (38:31):
You answered a question for me and you don't
know, because you didn't know itwas a question.
But one of those things that Iask myself, especially just
finding my space spiritually, iswill I lose the fire?
Will the fire die?
And it's?
Judy Larson (38:49):
a fire will grow.
Candace Patrice (38:51):
It's a it's I don't want to say it's a fear,
but it's a thought that I don'twant it to die.
I want it to grow and beingwhere I am and it's so fresh,
like I'm a baby I'm probablylike two or three years old and
and I just I want it to stayfeeling like this because the
love is so abundant and I wantto give it.
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I want to give the light, Iwant to share God's grace, like
all of the things that has beengiving, and I just want to be
that vessel.
But I don't want to fall intosome of my old habits where
something is great right now butthen something else shiny comes
along and right now it'sconsistently burning, you know.
But and I heard you say thatand it made me have it gave me a
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little more hope that the firecan continue to burn.
That's what I wanted to say.
Judy Larson (39:42):
Your fire will continue to burn as long as you
stay on the direction you areFrom your heart.
Don't get caught up in what theworld has to say, because that
took me a while and it'll keepburning and burning, and burning
, because you're already in yourheart.
Took me years to get there.
You know you're not going tolose it.
You're going to grow, woman.
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You're going to grow, and thatfire will be flame.
It's flame.
Janet Hale (40:07):
They better watch out, watch it, watch it.
Yes, yes, watch it.
Candace Patrice (40:12):
As my goddaddy would say oh, that's so lovely.
Janet Hale (40:18):
Yeah, I think that's great.
Oh, that's so lovely.
Yeah, I think that's great.
I'm glad to hear you steppingaway from the traditional ways
of things and finding your ownpath and understanding that we
must get to the heart of thingsif we really want to make a
difference, and that's what Ihear you saying, and I just
think that's the best practice,you know, because you know we
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have a little checklist.
I asked you about the ACEsearlier.
You're like the ACEs, ok, well,what I learned about the ACEs?
Let me be careful with this.
With the ACEs, it asksquestions about your childhood.
However, the first part of itis built.
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The questions are for white,middle-class, educated people.
So then they went back and hadto add five more to include
poverty, prison, differentthings of that nature.
So I had kind of moved awayfrom the aces once I you know,
because I know that I would sayit in certain rooms and they
were like we're not done andwe're not no, because they're
not talking to us.
Judy Larson (41:30):
Yep.
Janet Hale (41:31):
You know, and so I just think it's good when we
find out that we can do better,that we do better.
Judy Larson (41:39):
That's right.
Janet Hale (41:39):
That part yeah.
Candace Patrice (41:45):
Nice way to say that For your program.
Judy Larson (41:55):
How do people sign up?
Is there a cost or what is thecost?
Do you take insurance?
No, I don't take insurance andthere is a cost and it's going
to be in three sections.
It's a whole year long programoh, a year.
So I'm not taking too many at atime because I want to devote
my time there.
Some will want the whole yearprogram, some will want three
months, some will want six.
The first three months isreally getting them educated on
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a lot of things and the toolsand the so forth and probably
doing some womb healing withpeople with trauma.
The second segment of it, thenext six months, is the inner
child work.
And then the last is where havethey come in their life?
How do they see themselvesdifferent now?
Where's their path?
Where do they want to go?
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And they might need solarretrieval.
So that's why it's in segments.
And the first if they just wantto take the first three months,
that's $1,700.
If they want to take just thesix months program, that's
$2,500.
And if they want the year,that's $5,000.
Janet Hale (43:03):
When you talk about womb healing.
Would you explain?
Judy Larson (43:07):
that to me.
Sure, let's say.
Well, like for me.
I learned through my life.
My mother never told me sheloved me, never whatever.
And in my work working onmyself, I found out I wasn't a
wanted baby, you know.
So there's some trauma from mymom passed on into me.
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When I had my first child, Iwas scared to death.
It was not a healthy pregnancy.
I lived in fear every day of mylife.
Nobody taught me these things,those whatever.
Then in a marriage, when you'recarrying all that trauma the
sexual life wasn't what normallymost people would have you know
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, trauma's sitting there.
Let's say, some women have beenabused by their partner, or
they've been abused by a parentor whatever, and there's also
the piece of it.
Maybe they have a hard timewith their menstrual cycle.
Those kind of things.
That's the things you go backand heal that woman and that
will change a woman's life justin that, especially younger
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women.
It really, really makes adifference.
I found that out by doing itmyself.
Yeah, thank you.
Janet Hale (44:19):
There's a lot of different aspects to it.
Thank you for that.
Candace Patrice (44:26):
Judy, you're great, really really great.
I mean, I really want to callyou on the phone after at some
point in the next week and justtalk.
Sure, okay, it's done, I'llcall you Okay.
Janet Hale (44:44):
I can't go back at all, it's recorded.
Candace Patrice (44:47):
We're committed .
Okay, I've got witnesses.
Yes, I do have a question foryou really fast.
It sounds like the program ismost for people who are
beginning their work.
What do you do, or do you havesomething or a start for people,
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I would like to say, like me,who's been working really hard,
who has gotten through a lot ofthe beginning phases Well, I
wouldn't say gotten through buthas a better understanding of,
maybe, where the program isintended to go and the work
that's supposed to be done.
Is this a place for someonelike me, or would you need to be
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earlier on in the process ofgetting started?
Judy Larson (45:34):
You would have to ask yourself do you have a lot
of unresolved trauma that'snever been dealt with?
You seem to be already livingin your heart.
Yeah, these women aren't livingin their heart.
They know something, butthey've avoided it.
They live in the mind.
You're already on a gooddirection.
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Okay, you're headed in theright direction.
Yeah, you don't need what I'mdoing, unless you think in
yourself you need some wombhealing or some of that.
You know what your life is like, but other than that, I'd say
you're on the right direction.
Candace Patrice (46:11):
Thank you for that answer.
Judy Larson (46:13):
And if you ever just want to visit you and I
have questions, I'll answerthose questions for you Totally
calling you.
Janet Hale (46:20):
Yeah, I'm calling you when you were.
Candice asked the questionabout beginning of the journey,
or you know, you've been in thejourney for a minute.
What's interesting to me aboutthat is you could have been on
the journey for quite some time,but not really.
That's right.
You're like okay, well, you know, I've been through it.
And then you get to you andit's like whoa, wait a minute,
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that's some new information.
And so to answer, I guess, thatquestion, because some folks
feel like they've been there buthave not touched it.
Yeah, see, I thought I wasthere for years.
Judy Larson (46:57):
Okay, well, I'm spiritual.
I go to church all the time.
I read my Bible, I pray.
I was addicted.
You did that.
You did that.
My addiction was you betterread the bible or god won't love
you.
I never missed a day, you knowand it's all about the intent I
wasn't doing it from the heart.
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Ritual dogma do do la la, youget there All the wrong places.
So yeah, your mom's right,exactly.
Candace Patrice (47:28):
And I love that .
The answer is ask yourself.
Judy Larson (47:33):
Look at Judy.
She goes to church, she readsthe Bible.
What?
Janet Hale (47:38):
So, judy, listen, I'm going to say this.
Everybody listens to.
All the millions of people thatlisten to us Know that I'm a
recovering alcoholic.
I used to smoke a pack a day,two tracks a day.
I've been in situations thatwere not good relationships.
I've been to therapy that I waslike okay, looking at you
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cross-eyed because you're not onthe right, something's not
right and what I'm about to dois fire you.
I need to move on and that'sokay, Because somewhere in there
I learned, and still learning,how to take care of the little
Janet.
Judy Larson (48:18):
Yes, because the little.
Janet Hale (48:19):
Janet, she's little Janet runs rapid.
She's little Janet, she'ssomething else.
So we have to, you know, calmlittle Janet down and say well,
big Janet, can you take care ofher, Can you take care of her?
And so I had to learn the toolsto do that.
Judy Larson (48:36):
Yeah.
Janet Hale (48:37):
You know, and so it's just all a process.
It definitely is Open, open,open-minded about the different
processes and the change in howwe do things, because it used to
be.
I'm sure you're aware that thetherapist was something wrong
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with you.
I'm going to help fix you, okay, anyway, really I'm not broken,
I'm gonna help fix you.
Judy Larson (49:02):
Okay, anyway, really You're not broken.
Janet Hale (49:04):
I'm like really, so that's what this is about.
No, I need a partner to help mewalk my walk, and so that has
been part of the change as faras therapy, healing, coaching,
whatever to get a partner in itNot I'm up here, you're down
here, exactly, and so, and thatis part of the process, and I
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think that your program iswonderful.
Now will you be doing it overZoom?
Is it in person?
It?
Judy Larson (49:32):
will be doing on.
It'll be online.
Great, All of it will be online.
Janet Hale (49:36):
So will it be individual?
Will you have groups?
Judy Larson (49:40):
Once this gets up and running, I'm going to have
some groups, yes, and the groupsare going to be to help prepare
women to be ready to do thework.
You know, that's what thegroups will be about.
Candace Patrice (49:53):
I like that.
Judy Larson (49:54):
And what comes down the road.
I don't know yet.
Right, I've got to get thisgoing.
But yeah, because I look backat some of the groups I was in
and whatever, and it's like thisdid nothing for me.
I know, right, You're wastingyour time Judith.
And I was like you know, no,this is going to be.
I'll be touching their hearttoo.
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Just that part Creating a safeplace, a nonjudgmental space.
Candace Patrice (50:18):
That part Creating a safe place, a
non-judgmental space.
Yeah that part A place whereyou can be.
Judy Larson (50:24):
And knowing that I'm not out to hurt them, I'm
not out to judge them, becausethey don't need me, so I'm going
to have to prove that to themtoo.
Yeah, but All this law?
Well, come try me out.
If you don't like it, you canleave.
Janet Hale (50:44):
Yeah, but I also think that you have a certain
air about yourself that istrusting, that is open, so it
wouldn't be hard to figure out.
Judy Larson (50:52):
Okay, good, good, I'm glad you said that.
I'm pretty real.
Janet Hale (50:56):
Yeah, because some people I look at I'd be like, oh
really it's like you said, I amnot on any level better than
anybody else.
Exactly.
One of the things that I sayand I say this a lot, but it's
not mine, I don't know where Igot it from, but anyway, people
don't care how much you knowuntil they know how much you
care.
Judy Larson (51:17):
I agree with you 100%.
I tell that to my people thatcome new and to where I work
right now and I'll tell them.
You know what?
I have a role of a therapist.
Please, I'm no different thanyou.
Don't put me on a pedestal.
Don't think I know it all,because I don't.
I'm just here to help you findyou and feel good about yourself
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.
So ask me anything.
And they do, because they findout.
Judy's not one of those kind,whatever.
Janet Hale (51:51):
Judy, would you agree that you're to help them,
but also in helping them, you'rehelping you?
Judy Larson (51:57):
Oh, definitely, yeah, Definitely.
Candace Patrice (52:10):
I'll be growing for the rest of my life.
Yeah, yes, next level and thenext level Because we're always
evolving, we're energy of thebook of Ecclesiastes and how he
went through just trying to findall the things, the wisdom, the
knowledge and all the things,and in the end was just like
just be a good person, becausethat's what it?
Came down to.
I've searched the highs, thelows, the wisdom.
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I did all the things for youguys and this is what it came
down to.
Judy Larson (52:36):
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
We don't have to make itcomplicated, and it's pretty
simple.
Candace Patrice (52:40):
We don't have to make it complicated and we'll
continue on that journey.
The world makes it complicated.
We'll get more wisdom andknowledge as we live this life.
We'll try new things as thingscome about.
We'll see what worked, whatdoesn't work, what made us feel
bad, what made us feel good.
We'll find out how we can givelove and how we can forgive and
how we can do all of the things.
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All of the things.
Janet Hale (53:05):
She mentioned the forgiveness and that one right
there, cause sometimes I thinkpeople are too quick to say I
forgive you, no, no, no.
Candace Patrice (53:14):
Sometimes this is a process but forgiveness is
a heart posture.
Janet Hale (53:18):
It is but, but it's also sometimes something that
takes some time absolutely andsometimes time to forgive myself
that part that part and so forpeople to understand that part.
Yeah, like you know, you takeyour time to for your healing,
whatever that part.
Yeah, like you know, take yourtime for your healing whatever
that is for you.
Candace Patrice (53:38):
Also, I think forgiveness, the outcome of
forgiveness, looks different.
I think people have this visionof what it looks like once you
forgive.
Just because you've forgivensomeone doesn't mean it looks
like oh well, I forgave them andwe're buddy-buddy again.
I don't think it has to looklike that.
It's just does your heartforgive?
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If your heart forgives and youchoose not to be in that same
space, that's fine, but it just,it really is a heart posture.
To me it is it is kidding.
Janet Hale (54:07):
I agree, and I love the fact that you said it
doesn't always look the same,because you know my saying is I
can forgive you and access isdenied yeah, exactly you know
like I'll forgive you.
You forgiven, but what we'renot gonna do is put me in the
same position because youalready showed me.
So what we know, we're justgonna move on for me down the
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street.
I'm like I forgave, forgaveeverybody, you all good, I'm
good, you're good, everybody'sgood, and it looks different for
different people.
Like Candice said, forgivenessdoes not look the same for
everybody.
Judy Larson (54:47):
No.
Candace Patrice (54:50):
I think we really touched on a lot of
things, a lot of I don't know.
I feel like we did a wholeseason somehow in here on
working through things, gettingthrough them, how to get to the
others.
I might want to put thisepisode as the theme of
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essential mental healing, likethis is what it's about.
Janet Hale (55:15):
Preview Also.
Yeah, I thought about somethingjust now.
I saw it because christmas justhappened yes and for some, and
the new year and the and the newyear by the time.
Candace Patrice (55:27):
It's okay, it will okay so the new year, and
so so one of 2020 five thank you.
Janet Hale (55:35):
Okay, I'm sorry to say this because Judith talked
about the act.
We got to act a certain way andeverybody needs to do.
You know, I left that party along time ago.
I'm not invited or feel wanted,I'm not going, and so for
others to understand that, thatis really okay, yep, you can
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pick your village.
Judy Larson (55:59):
For sure you don't have to live like a puppet.
You can't fit in no.
And when you mentioned earlieryeah.
When you mentioned earlier.
Janet Hale (56:10):
Yeah, and you said you talked about how you didn't
never feel like you fit in.
And that was me Never, never,never.
I mean when I tell you never,but oh, but I was smiling and
hey, everybody, yeah, it looksgood.
That's how you do it.
Everybody's fine, never feelinglike I fit in, but too afraid
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to say it because she might hurttoo many people.
I'm sorry, I'll be like I'mdifferent.
Candace Patrice (56:38):
Yeah, I'm different, I love it.
Janet Hale (56:40):
Yes, I love it.
We know you do.
We know you do.
But just that whole thing.
And I was watching Netflix.
It has a thing called Anne withan E.
It's about a little girl.
It's a series.
I just found it.
We read here she, she went toorphanage and she was told she
was ugly.
She was just treated all kindof just bad and she ended up
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with this family that loved herwith her red hair and her
freckles, oh my god.
And you could just see thetransformation taking place,
just kind of how like what we'retalking about, because love is
the answer, because once we'vebeen loved, Love is all there is
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.
Period Period it's been a longtime.
Judy Larson (57:25):
Yes, love is love.
Janet Hale (57:28):
Love is love.
Yes, Judith.
Candace Patrice (57:30):
And what age were you when you got that, when
you figured that out, or howmany years ago?
Janet Hale (57:34):
You asked Judith or me.
Judy Larson (57:35):
Judy when you got that, when you figured that out,
or how many years ago.
You asked Judith, or me, judy,for me with the love.
Yeah, once, not that long ago,I thought I knew what love the
world was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's.
When I had that surrender andGod connected with me, I knew
what true love was.
Janet Hale (57:52):
The love of the life of the Lord.
Judy Larson (57:55):
I didn't have to do nothing.
Janet Hale (57:56):
It was there all the time inside of me but buried so
deep under all the of my lifeit's so good to be on the other
side of it and moving towardsthe light and understanding that
we had to go through some pain,Judith and I, to see some
things and be willing to gothrough the process to continue
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on with it.
Candace Patrice (58:20):
Let me say this , though as my mother and my
previous consciousness that thework that you have done, the
work that you too have beendoing, resonates with me, to be
able to do something different.
So my story is going to sounddifferent, not that I didn't go
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through things, but it's it's,it's just progressing, it's a
part of the.
You know.
You just say I believe thechildren are our future.
That's me, and so I'm.
I got a little moment, but it'strue, and Kamari will do the
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same thing as she continues tolearn, and we are changing the
world.
Her third grade teacher which isher favorite teacher gave them
a book and said you guys areworld changers.
And I can't stop saying that toher whenever something I'm like
Kamari, you're different,you're special, you're a world
changer in whatever way thatlooks like.
(59:25):
You know no pressure to go outhere and change the world, but
it's in you, it just is.
So I'll keep telling you as youfigure out this thing called
life.
Janet Hale (59:36):
So I'm going to say this real quick One of the
things I talked to Ken isbecause she went to Howard
University and did her thing andthen she came here and got her
master's and all these things.
And I remember looking at herand I'm watching her make
accomplishments out there and Ihave a conversation with her and
say I'm proud of those things.
But the most that I'm proud ofthose things, but the most that
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I'm proud of, is who you are.
Who you are, and that for me,is the key.
That's the key.
You can get the degrees, youcan get all those things.
What's important to me is whoyou are, that you know how to
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love, that you know how toforgive, that you know how to
have hard conversations.
Candace Patrice (01:00:24):
She will.
I'll be like, I don't feel likeit.
Janet Hale (01:00:27):
Well, mom, I need to talk.
Okay, I don't know how to haveconversations, but guess what
it's needed.
It's needed, it's needed, andso for me, that is my, the gift
from the universe.
Judy Larson (01:00:48):
It's her and my granddaughter and many other
people, many other people, butI'm speaking of her and my
granddaughter right now.
Candace Patrice (01:00:58):
Those are my daughters and I continue to feed
Kamari, that same language ofher being enough just the way
she is, that she doesn't have todo anything to please me, she
doesn't have to be incompetition with me.
I just want to see her be herand be the best unique her that
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she can be, and I feed her thatlove that has taken so many
people to find, and so I wanther to know it now.
She doesn't have to look for it.
She may have to look for someother things, because I don't
have it all, but one thing thatI can feed her is love every
single day, and if you orsomeone you know is struggling.
(01:01:45):
You can call 988 or text 988,which is the National Suicide
Prevention Lifeline, 24 hours,seven days a week, and then just
look into the resources.
I say this all the time, like,judy is an amazing resource.
The guests that we have on hereare resources.
(01:02:08):
They care about the people andthat is important to our
platform.
That is important.
I really feel bad for everyonewho doesn't hear the podcast,
like, who doesn't get thiswisdom and this knowledge?
It's like the books of theBible.
(01:02:28):
There's so much knowledge inhere, instruction, and people
are coming from theirexperiences in life and giving
that to people to be able to sayyou too are love, you too are
light, you are not whatever hashappened to you, and you can
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take some action steps to makeyour life as fulfilling as
you've ever matter of fact, morethan you've ever imagined.
Don't lean on what you think isthe best.
Allow life to take you on thisjourney.
Enjoy everything that comesalong the way.
When the trees turn green, takethem in.
When the trees turn colors,take them in.
(01:03:10):
When the snow falls, take it in.
When the sun shines, take it in.
When the rain falls, take it in.
When you share a shoulder bumpwith a neighbor, take it in.
Know that your energies havecrossed paths, and what can you
give to their energy?
What good can you send backOpposed to oh, we bumped, and
(01:03:32):
now you have an attitude oh,excuse me.
We were at the Lions game andevery time we bumped somebody,
we had just won.
Every time we bumped somebody,we go Lions, everybody go Lions.
It was this love language thatjust continued.
There was no anger.
Everybody was just oh, it'sokay, we're all here trying to
maneuver and get through, butit's just sharing that love.
So I, as the host of thispodcast, I'm definitely asking
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you to take each moment in lifeand see what good you can find
in it.
You never know where you'regoing to be a year from today,
but know that you won't be inthis same space.
You can choose how you want toget to where you're going, you
can get to it an easier way.
You can get to it light, youcan get to it heavy.
(01:04:14):
There's many ways and avenuesto get to where you'll be next
year, but try to choose the bestavenue.
Did you guys have any lastwords?
That's my last words.
Judy Larson (01:04:24):
No, this has been great.
Thank you so much, yeah me too.
Janet Hale (01:04:27):
I'm like Jesus, come back.
I got a pistol already.
I know I told you I'm a hotcaller.
Candace Patrice (01:04:38):
This has been great.
Let's give those social mediasanybody who has anything that
they want to give.
One last time, judy, yourInstagram or website or anything
that you have, let's give that.
Judy Larson (01:04:48):
Right now it's my Instagram at Judy J-U-D-I 34.
You'll find me there.
Candace Patrice (01:04:57):
Is it Judy Larson 34 or Judy 34?
Judy Larson (01:05:00):
Judy Larson 34.
And take them to my book Ifthey don't believe me.
It's as real as it gets.
Where can you get the book?
It's on Amazon.
From Self-Hate to Self-Love.
Janet Hale (01:05:10):
I like that.
Candace Patrice (01:05:12):
And is the author Judy Larson, or Judith
Larson, for the book Judith.
Judy Larson (01:05:17):
All right, I mean, that's as real as we're going to
get it.
That's how I put it out there.
Candace Patrice (01:05:22):
Perfect.
Janet Hale (01:05:26):
HaleEmpowermentcom.
Haleempowermentllccom.
That is me.
I work with women.
I am someone who talk aboutlived experiences.
I have gone to college.
I've gotten several few degrees.
However, my education came frommy community.
So when I'm teaching, that'swhat I'm teaching.
So when I'm talking, that'swhat I'm talking about.
(01:05:48):
So to be able to have my ownspace, that's what we're talking
about.
You can find me on Google andjust look me up.
Candace Patrice (01:06:02):
Then, of course , you guys know you can find me
at essentialmotivationcom.
You can send an email,candicefleming at
essentialmotivationcom.
You can also send a text.
We have the text message up onthe podcast where, if you have
anything you want to say aboutthe episodes, any future topics
that you want to hear, anythingthat you think we could be doing
(01:06:26):
better, I'm open to it all.
If there's anything that youhave to say about the podcast,
about us, please go ahead andsend that in via text message or
email and I look forward tohearing from you.
Thank you all for beinglisteners, thank you for making
the podcast continue to go.
Thank you, judy, for being ourguest, thank you, mom, for being
the co-host and always rememberto love hard, forgive often and
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laugh frequently.
Judy Larson (01:06:54):
Bye, very good Very good.
Hello and welcome back to another episode
of Essential Mental Healing,where I am your host, candice
Patrice, and joining me, asalways and forevermore and never
leaving again, is our co-host,janet Hill, who dipped out on us
for a second last season.
(00:26):
I'm glad to be back, so glad tohave you back.
It's not the same without you,it's just not.
And we also have a guest withus today, judy Larson, or Judith
Larson.
How are you today?
I'm great.
Judy Larson (00:43):
How are you?
Candace Patrice (00:44):
Wonderful.
Tell the people a little bitabout you.
You have very special skillsand I don't know if you know,
but, as we were talking, thework that you do is also
something I'm getting into moreof and looking at the whole
person.
So I can't wait to get intothat.
But go ahead, tell them alittle bit about yourself, who
(01:04):
you are, what you do, whatyou've been through, how we got
here.
We'll take them on a journey.
Janet Hale (01:10):
Let me sip this coffee, come on.
Judy Larson (01:15):
Well, my name is Judy Larson.
Like she said and it's been along story it started way back
or a long journey.
I should say it started wayback, or a long journey, I
should say, when I was fouryears old.
But I didn't know any of thatat the time.
I just knew at four years old Ididn't fit in with my family, I
didn't belong, it was justsomething different about me.
(01:36):
But I just kept to myself andthat's the only way I was ever
happy, just wanted to be outsideand feel safe in my home, but
no love from my parents.
So continued on, graduated fromhigh school and was getting
ready to go to school to be ahairdresser, and at that time it
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really just took me intoanother whole element.
I lived a very, very I wouldcall, sheltered life.
I went to a Catholic school.
You went to school.
You came home.
You went to school, you camehome, unless I went to a
basketball game or something.
You weren't really out amongstthe world, you know, and so that
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was like an eye to me, ooh, andI wanted to fit in.
I wanted to be part of thecrowd, because I never fit in
before.
So what's the next thing I do Istart smoking?
What, judy, you're going tosmoke About that time?
Yeah, it's cool.
What were you smoking?
Cigarettes.
Candace Patrice (02:41):
Okay.
Judy Larson (02:43):
Not to the place.
I was smoking two packs a day,oh wow, but you know that's
another story.
I was totally delivered fromcigarettes in my journey, as as
I'll talk about so anyway, Ifinished on beauty school, got
done with that, met the fellathat was going to soon become my
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husband and we knew each otherfor six months and we got
married.
I always told myself I'd neverget married and I'd never have
kids, because nobody wants tolive like I lived.
Well, here I am married and itdidn't take long for me to
figure out oh, judy, you marriedyour dad.
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Dad, serious alcoholic, seriousalcoholic.
So now I've got a husbandthat's an alcoholic.
But in my upbringing I was toldyou get married, you make your
bed, you live in it.
So I got to make the best of it, bed, you live in it.
So I got to make the best of it.
And then I had a child, myfirst child, and I just kept
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putting on the face looking good.
What's life like?
Oh, it's great.
Work, work, work, come home, soforth.
But that didn't last.
Pretty soon it was like oh, doI really have to stay in this
marriage?
Yada, yada, yada.
Yes, judy, you have to stay inthis marriage, don't give it any
thought.
Well, because I also had a very, very low self-esteem.
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I didn't like my body, I didn'tlike my looks.
I hated every part of my being.
And I look back and I probablyhairdressing school at that time
.
You know, look at Judy, shelooks good on the outside.
If they only knew the Judy onthe inside, because I didn't
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know that Judy either, you know,I just knew how to put on a
good act, put on a good showsmile.
It was really like I lived likea robot till I was maybe close
to my 50s You're younger butthere was a movie or a series
out years ago called StepfordWives, I think, and they get up
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like a robot.
Look good, you know, that wasme.
I fit that to a T Until one daythe depression hit me like I
can't even explain it.
It was like I didn't want toget up.
I didn't want to do anything.
It was just what's wrong withme.
For quite a while I tried toput a smile on.
In fact, my husband and I myyoungest son we took a trip to
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see his sister, and this is toshow you how bad my depression
was.
I probably I look back at itnow I should have probably been
in the hospital.
We got in the car.
I don't remember anythingexcept getting out once to go
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into the hotel so we could sleepand go on.
I felt like I was moving atsuch a slow pace, just numb.
I'd be telling myself what'swrong with me.
What's wrong with me?
It'll go away, it'll go away.
It didn't.
By the time I got to hissister's house, all I could
think of was I have to go to bed, I have to go to bed.
I just wasn't functioning.
(06:11):
I don't know what she everthought.
I think I got up for maybe twohours the two days we were there
.
I just wasn't functioning andthen we left, headed back home,
and that's when I thoughtfunctioning, and then we left,
headed back home and that's whenI thought well, I gotta find
out something.
Janet Hale (06:28):
What is this, this, this?
Judy Larson (06:29):
is.
This is not right.
And um, that's when I did gosee a mental health worker just
to see, and what theyrecommended is that I go on some
antidepressants.
And I thought, nope, we don'tdo that, that's for crazy people
, judy's not going to go on anyantidepressants.
(06:51):
But I had to humble myself andeventually I did go on them and
it made a difference, you knowsome part.
But as I moved on in my life andI look back, the one thing it
did was just numb my emotionsmore.
You know now I it wasn'tfeeling anything before walking
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around like a rule, but now Iwas even more numb, but I was
functioning at a little bit of ahigher level, I guess you could
say.
And then I got to the point inmy well, there's so much I don't
know.
I left the Catholic churchbecause I knew that.
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I knew I couldn't stay in thismarriage anymore.
And it took me seeing somebodyelse, a pastor, to say, will I
really go to hell, me seeingsomebody else, a pastor, to say,
will I really go to hell if Iget a divorce?
I can't do this anymore, I justcan't do it.
Well, got out of that faith andgot the divorce and turned
(07:55):
around and started going to aPentecostal church Because in my
mind at that time you better goto church because that's where
you get God's love, god'sacceptance and man's love.
You know it's all perform,perform, perform.
So I got addicted to that also.
I showed up to every solitarything.
(08:17):
There was the one real well,there was more, but the one
really good piece that came fromthat.
One day I went in with a friend.
They were doing a Bible studyand I thought a Bible study?
I've never heard of such athing.
So I thought you go to theBible study, I'll just walk
around.
So I was walking around lookingat all the little offices it
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didn't look like a church anyway.
But I heard this pastor talkingto these people about God has
free gifts.
So I tried to listen on theside Free gifts, and I thought,
oh, I never heard of that.
So I didn't give it any more.
Thought the Bible study was over, we left, went to have coffee
(08:58):
and of course I was waiting tohave a cigarette.
I had a cigarette, but thatthought just didn't leave me.
So when I was dropped off athome, the first thing I did when
I got in the house is I saidyou know, guy, do you really
have free gifts?
Because if you do, I don't wantto smoke anymore.
I thought nothing will come ofthat.
(09:21):
I never had a cigarette after.
What happened is I got very sickto my stomach.
I thought I had the flu.
So I went in whatever, went tobed, woke up, the first thing I
ever did in life was grab acigarette.
I don't want a cigarette.
What, wow?
And I thought this is going towear off.
No, I've never, ever had acigarette again.
(09:45):
So I knew that I was on tosomething here, you know.
But I didn't know all what itwas.
So that just made me keep goingto that church, thinking I'm
going to find out more, find outmore.
But what happened is I becameso involved in that church to
look good, put on the good actagain, that now more depression
(10:07):
was showing up, because we'd goto church and we had praise and
worship and everybody would feelgreat.
But when you went home I had mydepression.
Nothing changed in my life.
What am I doing this for?
Nothing is working.
And then, lo and behold, I leftthat church.
(10:28):
But the fellow before thathappened, the fellow in church
that I could trust because Itrusted people about that much.
Come up to me.
And he said you know, judy,I've been watching you.
You've got to do somethingabout that severe depression.
And I thought what does thisguy know?
What does he want from me?
(10:49):
Because I didn't trust people.
But so I put a lot of demandson him.
I said if you'll do this, this,this, this, this, this my list
was a hundred feet long.
I said maybe I'll talk to you.
He looked at me this kind offace and he said sure, I can do
that.
I said is this guy crazy?
(11:09):
And so he came to my house acouple times and I finally
started thinking well, maybe Ican open up and share a little
bit of me with that person.
And what happened is all of asudden, in our conversation,
anger came flying out of me.
(11:31):
It was like rage.
I thought what is this?
I started having a panic attack.
Janet Hale (11:37):
I thought oh, whatever, I'll get myself into
it, Yada yada, yada, yada.
Judy Larson (11:41):
He helped me get through that.
Once I could calm down, heexplained to me why that
happened.
Judy, you stuffed your feelingsaway at four years old, when
your father attempted to beatyou to death, and he said if you
don't ever look at those, youmight have freedom for a little
while, but that depression isgoing to continue and you're
(12:03):
still going to walk around likea robot and wonder what kind of
life you're leading.
So the first emotion was anger,and I had a panic attack
because, see, I couldn't be incontrol of it.
I had to be in my life.
I had rules, regulations.
Everything I did every day hadto be robotic, because I had to
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be in control.
Then I felt safe.
Well, this took me out of mycontrol.
That's where the panic attackcame from.
But you know, we finished thatsession, I went out for a walk
and all of a sudden it hit me.
Something's a little different.
I don't know what it is, but Ifelt a little lighter.
I can't really explain itbecause I always lived in my
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head, and so we continued on tohave more sessions.
So what he did is he reallyopened me up to the opportunity
to start looking at someemotions, Wrote a letter to my
father, never knew how muchanger and rage I had for my
father, but I felt very guiltyabout that, because you have to
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love your parents.
You know you can't ever beangry at your parents, they're
your parents.
And that set me free of a fewmore pieces and so I could at
least say my depression wasn'tso bad.
So he quit working with me, Ihad my divorce and I started to
(13:32):
have a little bit of confidenceenough to say you know, maybe I
can go to school.
I have a child to raise.
Yet how am I going to raisethis child?
Where's the income going tocome from?
Yeah, very scared, but I took arisk.
I thought, well, I either getrejected or whatever.
So I went down to the collegewhere I lived and I told them my
(13:55):
situation single parent, Iwould really like to get a
better education.
And lo and behold, I qualifiedfor everything at that time.
I got grants, I got everything.
I had to go on food stamps,which was a very humbling
experience to me.
Here's a woman who can work 50hours a week, go get her make
(14:18):
good money has to go on foodstamps.
So that set me down to woo.
But it also made me realizewell, do you want an education?
How are you going to raise yourson?
So I forgave myself for thatand moved on.
I did graduate from collegewith a degree in social work and
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I graduated with a 3.9.
Now, to a lot of people,whatever to me I did not do well
in school.
I was stupid.
My dad told me I was stupid.
You never gonna want to thinkso.
I went to school, went throughthe motions, you know, never got
good grades.
And uh, when I graduated withthat, I thought what 3.9?
(15:07):
And here's the thought thatcame to me.
And here's the thought thatcame to me.
Judy, it was your dad that toldyou you were stupid.
You're not stupid, but itshowed me again all the messages
you listen to, all the storiesyou tell yourself Well, that's
my dad, he must know.
And so that set me free ofanother piece.
(15:35):
I went into the field, workedwith adolescents for a while and
all of a sudden realizedeverybody I'm working with seems
to have addictions also.
And I told myself I'd neverwork in the addiction field
because I have a family full ofit.
But again, another humbling.
Well, how are you going to workwith these people.
They have addictions.
So I went back, got myaddiction license, was grateful
(15:57):
for that, but it was like I wastelling your mom when you work,
and nothing against mainstreamsociety, mental health, whatever
I've seen it in my years anywayit helps people to a degree,
but it never helps them toreally get to the core of the
problem.
(16:18):
I'm dealing with that again atwhere I work right now, but
knowing now I won't be stayingthere that much longer.
You can do trauma therapy, youcan do DBT, you can do CBT I
mean the list goes on.
I've done it from the insideout backwards.
But if you don't get to aperson's heart where the pain
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deeply is, it doesn't go away.
I'm a walking proof of that.
I had some of those.
It didn't do nothing for me.
It just didn't do anything.
And every day, as we're talking, I think about it.
I work with eating disordersright now and every day I'm only
(17:05):
allowed to share so much withthe people because the rules of
no health field nothing againstthem has to be evidence-based.
It has to be this, this, this.
Okay, I could give you a roomfull of wisdom in the last three
years.
That could be in a lot betterplace if I could have worked
with them Not saying I'mwhatever, but I could get them
(17:28):
to deal with where they neededto go.
And so I kind of just begrateful now that I have the job
and that I'm working and I'mdoing my own thing, so I know I
won't have to be there too muchlonger.
But in all that time of findingthat out, there's been some
(17:49):
more healing take place for me.
Mm-hmm, once I had done thatsurrender and let go totally, I
was telling your mom.
It was like I can't explain itto you life-changing.
I woke up from I don't know,just a whew and inside my heart
(18:10):
I felt love.
I had never felt that in mylife.
What is this?
Such a warm, welcoming feeling,and I thought I must be crazy.
This isn't going to last verylong.
Figure it all out.
Figure it all out.
But it never went away.
And then the universe startedtalking to me.
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No, first I thought I was crazyagain.
Oh no, judy.
So I talked back.
I'd say what do you want fromme?
What do you want from me?
I've done this, I've done this.
That voice, to this day, hasnot gone away.
And I wouldn't say that if thatwasn't truth beyond truth
because I have put it to thetest and beyond the test, why
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would you want to talk to me?
What do you want from me?
La la, la, la la la.
Some of the things I was askedto do, I'd question it.
I mean, I put it to whatever.
In fact, when I was shown youneed to write a book, I thought
sure you think I'm going towrite a book.
I thought sure you think I'mgoing to write a book.
I'm not a writer.
What do you want me to do?
Write a book.
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But I was guided all the way towrite that book.
So that took relief off of me.
Maybe this God isn't going toleave me one of these days, and
maybe I'm not dreaming all thisstuff up and whatever.
So anyway, along that process,with his guidance, with some
(19:37):
other things, I was finallyshown, judy, you don't have to
work for other people anymore.
You're going to have your ownbusiness.
You're going to be able to workfrom your heart.
People will learn fromeverything you've been through
in your life and you'veexperienced and I thought, oh
really.
Well, I had to question that allback and forth too.
(19:59):
But I wrote my book, startedwith there, and some days I'd be
sitting down how am I going todo this?
How am I going to create aprogram?
How am I?
How am I?
Whatever?
And the universe would show mepieces.
Just do a little of this.
Some days I'd be getting goingto my computer and I'd hear you
(20:22):
know, we've got to writesomething, go to Word, we're
going to write something.
And I thought this can't be God, this just can't be God.
Well, again, another test.
Everything I'd write and I'dget done resonated, made so much
sense to me.
It was like right, and that'swhat led me to the place of.
(20:43):
I knew then, yes, I had donehealing in my own life in many
areas, but I needed to bringthat broken piece of my soul to
total healing.
And that's when I did a soulretrieval and it just, I think
it helped me be okay with it'sokay, you don't have to think in
(21:05):
your head all the time.
And I just put perspectives ona lot of things that I still was
trying to figure out in my headthat I didn't need to do
anymore.
And so, after that was done,keep working on putting my
program together, so forth, andI think I missed a little piece
in there.
In that time I also startedworking with a gentleman online
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who had worked with shamans foryears.
Well, that just zinged me,because I've always had a love
for Native Americans.
I mean, they lived a sacredlife.
They lived from the land.
They were out there to lookgood, make it good.
Universe took care of them,mother Nature took care and
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provided for them, and theyappreciated that.
We don't appreciate that in ourworld anymore.
Maybe some do.
Most don't Look what our worldis.
Take, take, take, take, takegreed, this, that hate, whatever
.
And so, anyway, it was veryinteresting and I joined his
group, which taught me a processof going from your head into
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your heart and lettingeverything dump into what you
call a vortex.
It dumps into the vortex.
The universe takes it, takes it.
It's gone.
You can't take it back.
I thought you watch me.
I couldn't.
It was gone and things really,really started to change in my
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life.
And then you can go back toputting the program together.
I've got it almost to finishand what it will be about.
There will be shamanism piecesin there, because I've been
shown I'm a shaman medicinewoman.
Well, I didn't want to own thateither.
(23:01):
I thought what?
Yeah, I like the shamans, but Iwas shown I have shamanism in
my ancestry and they're workingwith me to help me do this work,
to help heal people in the landagain.
So that made me feel a littlebit better.
So my program, you know, isgoing to have some of that in
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there.
It will have the soul retrieval, it will have going back and
doing some womb healing forwomen that are disconnected from
trauma or rape, maybe amarriage, that type thing, and
it'll also have a flicker ofsome pieces of modern-day mental
health when they say innerchild.
(23:44):
But I do it from a wholedifferent perspective yeah yeah,
coming with inside myself, notfrom the book, says what you're
supposed to do.
Yes, you know.
Yes, yeah, I don't live fromhere anymore.
It took me 50 years to go fromhere to here.
Yes, because of what society?
(24:04):
What I learned brainwash,whatever what I still see
everywhere I go, and so I'mexcited about that.
And I could go on and on.
But really, what I really wantto share with you is the women
that I'm going to work with.
Are women who know they havesome wisdom, they know there's
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something more to them, but theygot to be really ready to do
the hard work.
I work with women that aren'tfully committed to themselves to
make the change, because it'snot easy work but it's rewarding
work.
When they're done, they willknow themselves, like I know
(24:47):
myself and everything that Iteach, and so they have to be
committed.
They have to really be ready tosay I'm fully going to do this
because I'm a prettystraightforward person.
Not everybody's going to likemy personality because I tell it
like it is.
That's okay.
Somebody had to tell me like itis so that I could finally wake
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up, judy and get it together,and so that's where I'm headed.
That's what I'm going to bedoing.
I do like what we're doing nowsome podcasts.
I'm on Instagram and I wouldsay what's your Instagram?
My Instagram is JudyLarson34.
(25:30):
You'll see some of my things inthere and what I've shared, but
I'm going to start coming at itfrom a whole new angle because
it's going to be prettystraightforward.
Our world doesn't have time tomess around anymore.
Either you want to work onyourself or you go find somebody
else.
That sounds cruel.
I don't care.
(25:50):
That's love.
I care enough about you thatI'll stick with you, but you've
got to stick with you, you know?
Yeah, so I would say my funnelto put out to people.
Maybe three weeks it'll be upand running.
There's some few details I'mstill working on, and it will be
(26:12):
called the Wise Woman Academy.
It's for wise women.
We as women are wise, very wise, and especially those that have
been through hell and back.
But you have to be ready towork on it too.
So that's why mystraightforwardness the way I do
(26:33):
things.
I have empathy, I'm there forthem, but I'm not going to play
a game or whitewash it because Iwill do them a disservice.
I was done that disservice foryears, but nobody's fault.
That's what they knew.
And you won't find my programout there, not that, oh look at
Judy.
My program isn't a program thata lot of people put out there.
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It's from my heart and soul thepain that I went through, the
things that I had to do to getwhere I'm at today, and I'm
going to give that to thosewomen as long as they're
committed to themselves.
Candace Patrice (27:13):
Thank you, judy .
That tells you something aboutno, you, you know you.
Um, I wanted to hear your fullstory because it gave so much.
Um, you walked us through theshame, the guilt, hope, faith,
our subconsciousness, um,realization of pain and what
that looks like, and I generallyI ask a lot of questions to get
(27:34):
to that point, but you kind ofgave it all out and I found
something very interesting inwhat you were saying and one of
those things about mental healthbeing evidence-based.
But realistically, we areevidence.
We are our own evidence and ourstories.
It takes so long to get thethings published and get it Okay
.
I have to show that otherpeople are going through this,
(27:56):
which means I have to find otherpeople in the same situation,
but I am my own evidence.
I am showing you that I've beenthrough the pain.
I'm showing you how I've workedthrough it.
I'm showing you what worked,and searching and seeking for
the answers is something that isgoing to get you where you need
to be.
It's when you stop seeking thatyou stop growing.
And hearing you talk about love, love being the greatest.
(28:22):
I am more biblically based thesedays and one of those things is
love and love being thegreatest things of the being the
greatest of all things, and soanother thing that came to my
mind was that you had trustedyour parents, like in your mind,
(28:43):
your you know your parents areright, they do everything, and
so a very trustworthy person fedyou some information that puts
you in a space that wasn't great, and you couldn't trust anybody
else because trust meant thattrust meant pain.
So you opened up to find thatone person who said what is it
(29:04):
that you need?
I'll give you what you need andwe'll unlock it together.
And so your trust began to lookdifferent, because trust now
didn't only parallel with yourdad and disappointment.
Now trust can parallel withsomething good, but trust within
yourself and trust with knowingwho to trust and what to listen
(29:25):
to and what works for you.
I had another question.
I mean you had me going.
I was writing stuff down thecigarettes.
You started smoking cigarettesat what age Do you remember?
Judy Larson (29:36):
I started smoking cigarettes when I was in beauty
school.
I was 18 years old.
Candace Patrice (29:42):
You stopped smoking cigarettes when you were
how old?
Judy Larson (29:45):
35.
That's a long time.
Candace Patrice (29:49):
Back then, when did you go to two packs a day?
Do you remember I?
Judy Larson (29:52):
suppose it just started increasing because you
could smoke at work, you couldsmoke anywhere you wanted to go,
okay, yeah.
So I was a chain smoker, gotcha, as soon as I got out of bed,
have a cigarette.
Last thing I do before I wentto bed have a cigarette.
You know, smoke everywhere, andthat's why it was such a shock
to me.
(30:13):
When it's gone, it's reallygone.
Candace Patrice (30:17):
I was waiting for it to come back too and not
have an inkling of somethingyou've been doing for the past.
What's this?
Almost 20 years, exactly, ofcourse, being biblically rooted.
(30:40):
It's that lean.
Not on your own understanding,because I mean, where did that
come from?
You have no explanation forthat, except for something
greater.
The universe deliveredsomething within you which is
awesome, and I love how you takeus on this journey, on how bad
(31:00):
it is, because it's a bad storyand I don't mean that in a bad
way, but it is truly.
People are going through things,people are hurting, People need
to know that even the darkestparts can be healed.
And you are literally like.
We hear people say it oh,you'll get through it, just have
(31:23):
faith, just believe it's okay.
But realistically, when you'resitting in that space, you don't
want to hear that, because it'snot.
It doesn't feel realistic.
How can you tell me somethingis going to happen to me?
I'm like if somebody would havetold you, let's say, at 34, you
won't be a chain smoker, youprobably would have looked at
them and laughed and you're justgoing to wake up one day and
(31:47):
not want to.
You're not going to have to doanything else.
You probably would have beenlike you're crazy.
Someone put them in a mentalhome because they're speaking
crazy things.
But you are again evidence ofwhat is to come, what can happen
, what faith looks like, whatdoing the work looks like.
Like you said, you're onlywanting to take on women who are
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actually ready to do the work,people who are on their
alchemist journey, who want tofind the greater good at the end
of the day, their own purpose.
What is the will that is setforth for them?
Like, okay, things happenbecause you have to learn from
them.
This is a story, this issomething you're going to teach
someone else so that you canhave a testimony, so that you
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can share with others that thisspace that we're in doesn't have
to be let's get somewheregreater.
And I feel like your program issomething that will help women
really get past that.
And you talked about therapy,and therapy, to me, keeps you
depending on the therapist, cankeep your trauma at the
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forefront, whereas coaching orprograms that are really here to
help take that trauma and findthe good in it.
So what good came from that?
What do you want your future tolook like?
What action steps will youstart taking to be that person
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you want to be.
Especially, action steps willyou start taking to be that
person you want to be,especially if you say you're
ready to do the work.
Well, it's going to take somework.
It's not just showing up once aweek for 45 minutes to an hour,
talk about it and go back anddo the same things, because
you've gotten the same resultsthat you've been getting when
you've been doing those things.
So do you want differentresults?
Different results is going totake different work.
Different work goes withchanging your thought processes
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of what this work looks like,breaking down everything that
has just been taught to you.
That is universal.
That is status quo.
I'm sure the government got towhere it is today because
somebody always wanted a littlebit more and they stopped
leading with a little more loveand they started leading with a
little more desires for more,wanting for more to be on top,
(34:02):
and then being lost intranslation of self, but now not
knowing who am I.
What is good?
Now you pass that down and ourconsciousness holds on to these
things.
Now you pass that down and ourconsciousness holds on to these
things and now we don't knowwhere we're getting it from.
But if we are closest to ourconsciousnesses, if we're all
one collective conscious butwe're closest to next
consciousness so that itcontinues to elevate and grow.
(34:24):
I'm going to be quiet becauseI'm just talking and I'm going
to keep going.
Judy Larson (34:40):
That's because you're excited about what you're
doing.
Candace Patrice (34:44):
I'm excited about what you're doing.
Janet Hale (34:47):
That was the part because I was listening to you
and I thought she's working fromher heart, yes, from her head.
Yep, and what people?
And this is a thing, becauseyou know we get degrees and blah
blah.
You know all kinds of thingscan happen and that's beautiful,
I'm not knocking it.
However, there's the policiesand different things of that
nature that can get in the wayof some of our healing
(35:08):
techniques.
Techniques, whereas when youhave your own program, who
remembers the four-year-old?
There are many others and theyneed someone who can tap into
that four-year-old and help thatfour-year-old free themselves.
(35:30):
And also, what I heard with youis that this will be a painful,
you know, and one of the thingsI say in order to get through
it, you got to go through it.
So let's do it, let's.
Are you ready?
I'm curious about yourmeasuring what, what, how are
you going to measure whether ornot they're ready.
Yes.
Judy Larson (35:48):
Okay, when I talk to them, you know if I start
having the first conversationwith them, whatever by the
things they say to me.
You know well this and maybe'malready wanted yeah you know
they have to be ready.
And I asked him are you ready togo down into that pain in your
heart that you've been holdingback all this time?
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Because if you're not, I can'thelp you.
You know, I'll also tell thembecause I do work from my heart,
not my head and what it took toget there.
I will know just by intuitionwhether you're ready or you're
not.
Janet Hale (36:26):
And I'll just be honest with them, because maybe
years back I couldn't pick thatup.
Judy Larson (36:31):
I can now because of my own work.
So it won't take me long tofigure that out if they're just
giving me a song and dance orthey're really ready to do the
work and I'll be able to pick up.
Oh, maybe this one needs someuh womb healing, maybe not.
Maybe they need over herebecause of all that I've done
and now live in the heart.
Janet Hale (36:52):
I'll know yeah, and I also heard you talk about
working with the nativeamericans.
I think it's so deep and sobeautiful.
Okay, oh, no, right.
(37:13):
And so to be able to stepoutside of what we are used to
or what we've grown up with, orhowever that goes, and to be
able to look at differenthealing processes that have
worked for generations that weoften do not talk about.
However, it sounds like you'recourageous enough to say hey,
I'm willing to look at thispiece of it.
I'm willing to look at how theNative Americans loved the land,
(37:37):
respected the land, respectedtheir people, respected they
were allowed to try to make itlook good or whatever.
Judy Larson (37:49):
And I will eventually do some other things
ceremonies, that kind of things.
I get it Because I've done somebreath work for about a year
that took me back with myancestors and showing me some
things and whatever.
So that'll come.
But first the people I'm goingto work with have to work
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through this stuff first.
Janet Hale (38:12):
Yeah, but I like that you're even looking at it.
Oh yeah definitely You'relooking at it.
It's like, okay, she's lookingat different ways of doing
things.
Judy Larson (38:22):
Something about the Native Americans since I was a
kid has been in my heart, butnow I know why.
Candace Patrice (38:31):
You answered a question for me and you don't
know, because you didn't know itwas a question.
But one of those things that Iask myself, especially just
finding my space spiritually, iswill I lose the fire?
Will the fire die?
And it's?
Judy Larson (38:49):
a fire will grow.
Candace Patrice (38:51):
It's a it's I don't want to say it's a fear,
but it's a thought that I don'twant it to die.
I want it to grow and beingwhere I am and it's so fresh,
like I'm a baby I'm probablylike two or three years old and
and I just I want it to stayfeeling like this because the
love is so abundant and I wantto give it.
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I want to give the light, Iwant to share God's grace, like
all of the things that has beengiving, and I just want to be
that vessel.
But I don't want to fall intosome of my old habits where
something is great right now butthen something else shiny comes
along and right now it'sconsistently burning, you know.
But and I heard you say thatand it made me have it gave me a
(39:37):
little more hope that the firecan continue to burn.
That's what I wanted to say.
Judy Larson (39:42):
Your fire will continue to burn as long as you
stay on the direction you areFrom your heart.
Don't get caught up in what theworld has to say, because that
took me a while and it'll keepburning and burning, and burning
, because you're already in yourheart.
Took me years to get there.
You know you're not going tolose it.
You're going to grow, woman.
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You're going to grow, and thatfire will be flame.
It's flame.
Janet Hale (40:07):
They better watch out, watch it, watch it.
Yes, yes, watch it.
Candace Patrice (40:12):
As my goddaddy would say oh, that's so lovely.
Janet Hale (40:18):
Yeah, I think that's great.
Oh, that's so lovely.
Yeah, I think that's great.
I'm glad to hear you steppingaway from the traditional ways
of things and finding your ownpath and understanding that we
must get to the heart of thingsif we really want to make a
difference, and that's what Ihear you saying, and I just
think that's the best practice,you know, because you know we
(40:40):
have a little checklist.
I asked you about the ACEsearlier.
You're like the ACEs, ok, well,what I learned about the ACEs?
Let me be careful with this.
With the ACEs, it asksquestions about your childhood.
However, the first part of itis built.
(41:10):
The questions are for white,middle-class, educated people.
So then they went back and hadto add five more to include
poverty, prison, differentthings of that nature.
So I had kind of moved awayfrom the aces once I you know,
because I know that I would sayit in certain rooms and they
were like we're not done andwe're not no, because they're
not talking to us.
Judy Larson (41:30):
Yep.
Janet Hale (41:31):
You know, and so I just think it's good when we
find out that we can do better,that we do better.
Judy Larson (41:39):
That's right.
Janet Hale (41:39):
That part yeah.
Candace Patrice (41:45):
Nice way to say that For your program.
Judy Larson (41:55):
How do people sign up?
Is there a cost or what is thecost?
Do you take insurance?
No, I don't take insurance andthere is a cost and it's going
to be in three sections.
It's a whole year long programoh, a year.
So I'm not taking too many at atime because I want to devote
my time there.
Some will want the whole yearprogram, some will want three
months, some will want six.
The first three months isreally getting them educated on
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a lot of things and the toolsand the so forth and probably
doing some womb healing withpeople with trauma.
The second segment of it, thenext six months, is the inner
child work.
And then the last is where havethey come in their life?
How do they see themselvesdifferent now?
Where's their path?
Where do they want to go?
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And they might need solarretrieval.
So that's why it's in segments.
And the first if they just wantto take the first three months,
that's $1,700.
If they want to take just thesix months program, that's
$2,500.
And if they want the year,that's $5,000.
Janet Hale (43:03):
When you talk about womb healing.
Would you explain?
Judy Larson (43:07):
that to me.
Sure, let's say.
Well, like for me.
I learned through my life.
My mother never told me sheloved me, never whatever.
And in my work working onmyself, I found out I wasn't a
wanted baby, you know.
So there's some trauma from mymom passed on into me.
(43:29):
When I had my first child, Iwas scared to death.
It was not a healthy pregnancy.
I lived in fear every day of mylife.
Nobody taught me these things,those whatever.
Then in a marriage, when you'recarrying all that trauma the
sexual life wasn't what normallymost people would have you know
(43:50):
, trauma's sitting there.
Let's say, some women have beenabused by their partner, or
they've been abused by a parentor whatever, and there's also
the piece of it.
Maybe they have a hard timewith their menstrual cycle.
Those kind of things.
That's the things you go backand heal that woman and that
will change a woman's life justin that, especially younger
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women.
It really, really makes adifference.
I found that out by doing itmyself.
Yeah, thank you.
Janet Hale (44:19):
There's a lot of different aspects to it.
Thank you for that.
Candace Patrice (44:26):
Judy, you're great, really really great.
I mean, I really want to callyou on the phone after at some
point in the next week and justtalk.
Sure, okay, it's done, I'llcall you Okay.
Janet Hale (44:44):
I can't go back at all, it's recorded.
Candace Patrice (44:47):
We're committed .
Okay, I've got witnesses.
Yes, I do have a question foryou really fast.
It sounds like the program ismost for people who are
beginning their work.
What do you do, or do you havesomething or a start for people,
(45:07):
I would like to say, like me,who's been working really hard,
who has gotten through a lot ofthe beginning phases Well, I
wouldn't say gotten through buthas a better understanding of,
maybe, where the program isintended to go and the work
that's supposed to be done.
Is this a place for someonelike me, or would you need to be
(45:30):
earlier on in the process ofgetting started?
Judy Larson (45:34):
You would have to ask yourself do you have a lot
of unresolved trauma that'snever been dealt with?
You seem to be already livingin your heart.
Yeah, these women aren't livingin their heart.
They know something, butthey've avoided it.
They live in the mind.
You're already on a gooddirection.
(45:55):
Okay, you're headed in theright direction.
Yeah, you don't need what I'mdoing, unless you think in
yourself you need some wombhealing or some of that.
You know what your life is like, but other than that, I'd say
you're on the right direction.
Candace Patrice (46:11):
Thank you for that answer.
Judy Larson (46:13):
And if you ever just want to visit you and I
have questions, I'll answerthose questions for you Totally
calling you.
Janet Hale (46:20):
Yeah, I'm calling you when you were.
Candice asked the questionabout beginning of the journey,
or you know, you've been in thejourney for a minute.
What's interesting to me aboutthat is you could have been on
the journey for quite some time,but not really.
That's right.
You're like okay, well, you know, I've been through it.
And then you get to you andit's like whoa, wait a minute,
(46:43):
that's some new information.
And so to answer, I guess, thatquestion, because some folks
feel like they've been there buthave not touched it.
Yeah, see, I thought I wasthere for years.
Judy Larson (46:57):
Okay, well, I'm spiritual.
I go to church all the time.
I read my Bible, I pray.
I was addicted.
You did that.
You did that.
My addiction was you betterread the bible or god won't love
you.
I never missed a day, you knowand it's all about the intent I
wasn't doing it from the heart.
(47:18):
Ritual dogma do do la la, youget there All the wrong places.
So yeah, your mom's right,exactly.
Candace Patrice (47:28):
And I love that .
The answer is ask yourself.
Judy Larson (47:33):
Look at Judy.
She goes to church, she readsthe Bible.
What?
Janet Hale (47:38):
So, judy, listen, I'm going to say this.
Everybody listens to.
All the millions of people thatlisten to us Know that I'm a
recovering alcoholic.
I used to smoke a pack a day,two tracks a day.
I've been in situations thatwere not good relationships.
I've been to therapy that I waslike okay, looking at you
(47:58):
cross-eyed because you're not onthe right, something's not
right and what I'm about to dois fire you.
I need to move on and that'sokay, Because somewhere in there
I learned, and still learning,how to take care of the little
Janet.
Judy Larson (48:18):
Yes, because the little.
Janet Hale (48:19):
Janet, she's little Janet runs rapid.
She's little Janet, she'ssomething else.
So we have to, you know, calmlittle Janet down and say well,
big Janet, can you take care ofher, Can you take care of her?
And so I had to learn the toolsto do that.
Judy Larson (48:36):
Yeah.
Janet Hale (48:37):
You know, and so it's just all a process.
It definitely is Open, open,open-minded about the different
processes and the change in howwe do things, because it used to
be.
I'm sure you're aware that thetherapist was something wrong
(48:58):
with you.
I'm going to help fix you, okay, anyway, really I'm not broken,
I'm gonna help fix you.
Judy Larson (49:02):
Okay, anyway, really You're not broken.
Janet Hale (49:04):
I'm like really, so that's what this is about.
No, I need a partner to help mewalk my walk, and so that has
been part of the change as faras therapy, healing, coaching,
whatever to get a partner in itNot I'm up here, you're down
here, exactly, and so, and thatis part of the process, and I
(49:25):
think that your program iswonderful.
Now will you be doing it overZoom?
Is it in person?
It?
Judy Larson (49:32):
will be doing on.
It'll be online.
Great, All of it will be online.
Janet Hale (49:36):
So will it be individual?
Will you have groups?
Judy Larson (49:40):
Once this gets up and running, I'm going to have
some groups, yes, and the groupsare going to be to help prepare
women to be ready to do thework.
You know, that's what thegroups will be about.
Candace Patrice (49:53):
I like that.
Judy Larson (49:54):
And what comes down the road.
I don't know yet.
Right, I've got to get thisgoing.
But yeah, because I look backat some of the groups I was in
and whatever, and it's like thisdid nothing for me.
I know, right, You're wastingyour time Judith.
And I was like you know, no,this is going to be.
I'll be touching their hearttoo.
(50:15):
Just that part Creating a safeplace, a nonjudgmental space.
Candace Patrice (50:18):
That part Creating a safe place, a
non-judgmental space.
Yeah that part A place whereyou can be.
Judy Larson (50:24):
And knowing that I'm not out to hurt them, I'm
not out to judge them, becausethey don't need me, so I'm going
to have to prove that to themtoo.
Yeah, but All this law?
Well, come try me out.
If you don't like it, you canleave.
Janet Hale (50:44):
Yeah, but I also think that you have a certain
air about yourself that istrusting, that is open, so it
wouldn't be hard to figure out.
Judy Larson (50:52):
Okay, good, good, I'm glad you said that.
I'm pretty real.
Janet Hale (50:56):
Yeah, because some people I look at I'd be like, oh
really it's like you said, I amnot on any level better than
anybody else.
Exactly.
One of the things that I sayand I say this a lot, but it's
not mine, I don't know where Igot it from, but anyway, people
don't care how much you knowuntil they know how much you
care.
Judy Larson (51:17):
I agree with you 100%.
I tell that to my people thatcome new and to where I work
right now and I'll tell them.
You know what?
I have a role of a therapist.
Please, I'm no different thanyou.
Don't put me on a pedestal.
Don't think I know it all,because I don't.
I'm just here to help you findyou and feel good about yourself
(51:42):
.
So ask me anything.
And they do, because they findout.
Judy's not one of those kind,whatever.
Janet Hale (51:51):
Judy, would you agree that you're to help them,
but also in helping them, you'rehelping you?
Judy Larson (51:57):
Oh, definitely, yeah, Definitely.
Candace Patrice (52:10):
I'll be growing for the rest of my life.
Yeah, yes, next level and thenext level Because we're always
evolving, we're energy of thebook of Ecclesiastes and how he
went through just trying to findall the things, the wisdom, the
knowledge and all the things,and in the end was just like
just be a good person, becausethat's what it?
Came down to.
I've searched the highs, thelows, the wisdom.
(52:31):
I did all the things for youguys and this is what it came
down to.
Judy Larson (52:36):
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
We don't have to make itcomplicated, and it's pretty
simple.
Candace Patrice (52:40):
We don't have to make it complicated and we'll
continue on that journey.
The world makes it complicated.
We'll get more wisdom andknowledge as we live this life.
We'll try new things as thingscome about.
We'll see what worked, whatdoesn't work, what made us feel
bad, what made us feel good.
We'll find out how we can givelove and how we can forgive and
how we can do all of the things.
(53:01):
All of the things.
Janet Hale (53:05):
She mentioned the forgiveness and that one right
there, cause sometimes I thinkpeople are too quick to say I
forgive you, no, no, no.
Candace Patrice (53:14):
Sometimes this is a process but forgiveness is
a heart posture.
Janet Hale (53:18):
It is but, but it's also sometimes something that
takes some time absolutely andsometimes time to forgive myself
that part that part and so forpeople to understand that part.
Yeah, like you know, you takeyour time to for your healing,
whatever that part.
Yeah, like you know, take yourtime for your healing whatever
that is for you.
Candace Patrice (53:38):
Also, I think forgiveness, the outcome of
forgiveness, looks different.
I think people have this visionof what it looks like once you
forgive.
Just because you've forgivensomeone doesn't mean it looks
like oh well, I forgave them andwe're buddy-buddy again.
I don't think it has to looklike that.
It's just does your heartforgive?
(53:58):
If your heart forgives and youchoose not to be in that same
space, that's fine, but it just,it really is a heart posture.
To me it is it is kidding.
Janet Hale (54:07):
I agree, and I love the fact that you said it
doesn't always look the same,because you know my saying is I
can forgive you and access isdenied yeah, exactly you know
like I'll forgive you.
You forgiven, but what we'renot gonna do is put me in the
same position because youalready showed me.
So what we know, we're justgonna move on for me down the
(54:31):
street.
I'm like I forgave, forgaveeverybody, you all good, I'm
good, you're good, everybody'sgood, and it looks different for
different people.
Like Candice said, forgivenessdoes not look the same for
everybody.
Judy Larson (54:47):
No.
Candace Patrice (54:50):
I think we really touched on a lot of
things, a lot of I don't know.
I feel like we did a wholeseason somehow in here on
working through things, gettingthrough them, how to get to the
others.
I might want to put thisepisode as the theme of
(55:10):
essential mental healing, likethis is what it's about.
Janet Hale (55:15):
Preview Also.
Yeah, I thought about somethingjust now.
I saw it because christmas justhappened yes and for some, and
the new year and the and the newyear by the time.
Candace Patrice (55:27):
It's okay, it will okay so the new year, and
so so one of 2020 five thank you.
Janet Hale (55:35):
Okay, I'm sorry to say this because Judith talked
about the act.
We got to act a certain way andeverybody needs to do.
You know, I left that party along time ago.
I'm not invited or feel wanted,I'm not going, and so for
others to understand that, thatis really okay, yep, you can
(55:57):
pick your village.
Judy Larson (55:59):
For sure you don't have to live like a puppet.
You can't fit in no.
And when you mentioned earlieryeah.
When you mentioned earlier.
Janet Hale (56:10):
Yeah, and you said you talked about how you didn't
never feel like you fit in.
And that was me Never, never,never.
I mean when I tell you never,but oh, but I was smiling and
hey, everybody, yeah, it looksgood.
That's how you do it.
Everybody's fine, never feelinglike I fit in, but too afraid
(56:31):
to say it because she might hurttoo many people.
I'm sorry, I'll be like I'mdifferent.
Candace Patrice (56:38):
Yeah, I'm different, I love it.
Janet Hale (56:40):
Yes, I love it.
We know you do.
We know you do.
But just that whole thing.
And I was watching Netflix.
It has a thing called Anne withan E.
It's about a little girl.
It's a series.
I just found it.
We read here she, she went toorphanage and she was told she
was ugly.
She was just treated all kindof just bad and she ended up
(57:02):
with this family that loved herwith her red hair and her
freckles, oh my god.
And you could just see thetransformation taking place,
just kind of how like what we'retalking about, because love is
the answer, because once we'vebeen loved, Love is all there is
(57:22):
.
Period Period it's been a longtime.
Judy Larson (57:25):
Yes, love is love.
Janet Hale (57:28):
Love is love.
Yes, Judith.
Candace Patrice (57:30):
And what age were you when you got that, when
you figured that out, or howmany years ago?
Janet Hale (57:34):
You asked Judith or me.
Judy Larson (57:35):
Judy when you got that, when you figured that out,
or how many years ago.
You asked Judith, or me, judy,for me with the love.
Yeah, once, not that long ago,I thought I knew what love the
world was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's.
When I had that surrender andGod connected with me, I knew
what true love was.
Janet Hale (57:52):
The love of the life of the Lord.
Judy Larson (57:55):
I didn't have to do nothing.
Janet Hale (57:56):
It was there all the time inside of me but buried so
deep under all the of my lifeit's so good to be on the other
side of it and moving towardsthe light and understanding that
we had to go through some pain,Judith and I, to see some
things and be willing to gothrough the process to continue
(58:18):
on with it.
Candace Patrice (58:20):
Let me say this , though as my mother and my
previous consciousness that thework that you have done, the
work that you too have beendoing, resonates with me, to be
able to do something different.
So my story is going to sounddifferent, not that I didn't go
(58:44):
through things, but it's it's,it's just progressing, it's a
part of the.
You know.
You just say I believe thechildren are our future.
That's me, and so I'm.
I got a little moment, but it'strue, and Kamari will do the
(59:04):
same thing as she continues tolearn, and we are changing the
world.
Her third grade teacher which isher favorite teacher gave them
a book and said you guys areworld changers.
And I can't stop saying that toher whenever something I'm like
Kamari, you're different,you're special, you're a world
changer in whatever way thatlooks like.
(59:25):
You know no pressure to go outhere and change the world, but
it's in you, it just is.
So I'll keep telling you as youfigure out this thing called
life.
Janet Hale (59:36):
So I'm going to say this real quick One of the
things I talked to Ken isbecause she went to Howard
University and did her thing andthen she came here and got her
master's and all these things.
And I remember looking at herand I'm watching her make
accomplishments out there and Ihave a conversation with her and
say I'm proud of those things.
But the most that I'm proud ofthose things, but the most that
(59:56):
I'm proud of, is who you are.
Who you are, and that for me,is the key.
That's the key.
You can get the degrees, youcan get all those things.
What's important to me is whoyou are, that you know how to
(01:00:17):
love, that you know how toforgive, that you know how to
have hard conversations.
Candace Patrice (01:00:24):
She will.
I'll be like, I don't feel likeit.
Janet Hale (01:00:27):
Well, mom, I need to talk.
Okay, I don't know how to haveconversations, but guess what
it's needed.
It's needed, it's needed, andso for me, that is my, the gift
from the universe.
Judy Larson (01:00:48):
It's her and my granddaughter and many other
people, many other people, butI'm speaking of her and my
granddaughter right now.
Candace Patrice (01:00:58):
Those are my daughters and I continue to feed
Kamari, that same language ofher being enough just the way
she is, that she doesn't have todo anything to please me, she
doesn't have to be incompetition with me.
I just want to see her be herand be the best unique her that
(01:01:20):
she can be, and I feed her thatlove that has taken so many
people to find, and so I wanther to know it now.
She doesn't have to look for it.
She may have to look for someother things, because I don't
have it all, but one thing thatI can feed her is love every
single day, and if you orsomeone you know is struggling.
(01:01:45):
You can call 988 or text 988,which is the National Suicide
Prevention Lifeline, 24 hours,seven days a week, and then just
look into the resources.
I say this all the time, like,judy is an amazing resource.
The guests that we have on hereare resources.
(01:02:08):
They care about the people andthat is important to our
platform.
That is important.
I really feel bad for everyonewho doesn't hear the podcast,
like, who doesn't get thiswisdom and this knowledge?
It's like the books of theBible.
(01:02:28):
There's so much knowledge inhere, instruction, and people
are coming from theirexperiences in life and giving
that to people to be able to sayyou too are love, you too are
light, you are not whatever hashappened to you, and you can
(01:02:49):
take some action steps to makeyour life as fulfilling as
you've ever matter of fact, morethan you've ever imagined.
Don't lean on what you think isthe best.
Allow life to take you on thisjourney.
Enjoy everything that comesalong the way.
When the trees turn green, takethem in.
When the trees turn colors,take them in.
(01:03:10):
When the snow falls, take it in.
When the sun shines, take it in.
When the rain falls, take it in.
When you share a shoulder bumpwith a neighbor, take it in.
Know that your energies havecrossed paths, and what can you
give to their energy?
What good can you send backOpposed to oh, we bumped, and
(01:03:32):
now you have an attitude oh,excuse me.
We were at the Lions game andevery time we bumped somebody,
we had just won.
Every time we bumped somebody,we go Lions, everybody go Lions.
It was this love language thatjust continued.
There was no anger.
Everybody was just oh, it'sokay, we're all here trying to
maneuver and get through, butit's just sharing that love.
So I, as the host of thispodcast, I'm definitely asking
(01:03:54):
you to take each moment in lifeand see what good you can find
in it.
You never know where you'regoing to be a year from today,
but know that you won't be inthis same space.
You can choose how you want toget to where you're going, you
can get to it an easier way.
You can get to it light, youcan get to it heavy.
(01:04:14):
There's many ways and avenuesto get to where you'll be next
year, but try to choose the bestavenue.
Did you guys have any lastwords?
That's my last words.
Judy Larson (01:04:24):
No, this has been great.
Thank you so much, yeah me too.
Janet Hale (01:04:27):
I'm like Jesus, come back.
I got a pistol already.
I know I told you I'm a hotcaller.
Candace Patrice (01:04:38):
This has been great.
Let's give those social mediasanybody who has anything that
they want to give.
One last time, judy, yourInstagram or website or anything
that you have, let's give that.
Judy Larson (01:04:48):
Right now it's my Instagram at Judy J-U-D-I 34.
You'll find me there.
Candace Patrice (01:04:57):
Is it Judy Larson 34 or Judy 34?
Judy Larson (01:05:00):
Judy Larson 34.
And take them to my book Ifthey don't believe me.
It's as real as it gets.
Where can you get the book?
It's on Amazon.
From Self-Hate to Self-Love.
Janet Hale (01:05:10):
I like that.
Candace Patrice (01:05:12):
And is the author Judy Larson, or Judith
Larson, for the book Judith.
Judy Larson (01:05:17):
All right, I mean, that's as real as we're going to
get it.
That's how I put it out there.
Candace Patrice (01:05:22):
Perfect.
Janet Hale (01:05:26):
HaleEmpowermentcom.
Haleempowermentllccom.
That is me.
I work with women.
I am someone who talk aboutlived experiences.
I have gone to college.
I've gotten several few degrees.
However, my education came frommy community.
So when I'm teaching, that'swhat I'm teaching.
So when I'm talking, that'swhat I'm talking about.
(01:05:48):
So to be able to have my ownspace, that's what we're talking
about.
You can find me on Google andjust look me up.
Candace Patrice (01:06:02):
Then, of course , you guys know you can find me
at essentialmotivationcom.
You can send an email,candicefleming at
essentialmotivationcom.
You can also send a text.
We have the text message up onthe podcast where, if you have
anything you want to say aboutthe episodes, any future topics
that you want to hear, anythingthat you think we could be doing
(01:06:26):
better, I'm open to it all.
If there's anything that youhave to say about the podcast,
about us, please go ahead andsend that in via text message or
email and I look forward tohearing from you.
Thank you all for beinglisteners, thank you for making
the podcast continue to go.
Thank you, judy, for being ourguest, thank you, mom, for being
the co-host and always rememberto love hard, forgive often and
(01:06:51):
laugh frequently.
Judy Larson (01:06:54):
Bye, very good Very good.
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