May 29, 2024 • 53 mins
Therapy Thursday!
What if music could be your sanctuary in the storm of life? Join us as we uncover the transformative journey of Heather Hill, a singer-songwriter from the Blue Mountains of Canada. Heather opens up about her transition from a corporate career back to her true passion for music, all while balancing the demands of motherhood. Her latest album, "Twilight Mist," is an emotional tribute to herself and a testament to the power of mentorship in finding one’s authentic voice.
Heather’s story isn’t just about melody and lyrics; it’s about navigating life's twists and turns with trust and resilience. From personal anecdotes revealing the unpredictability of life to the necessity of embracing discomfort for growth, Heather’s experiences remind us that profound beauty often arises from our greatest challenges. Her album serves not only as a personal healing journey but also as a meditative and spiritual guide for listeners, intertwining elements of restorative yoga and chakra balancing.
We delve into the historical and cultural significance of music as a healing force, discussing how it has been a source of hope and comfort through generations. Heather’s live performances, where audiences practice restorative yoga while immersed in her soothing songs, illustrate music's power to offer emotional refuge. With a focus on love, compassion, and joy, this heartfelt conversation will inspire anyone seeking solace and personal growth through the magic of music. Don't miss this enlightening episode that underscores the profound impact of sound on our emotional and spiritual well-being.
Heather Hill
Taking a musical leap of love and faith in a magical leap year, accomplished and honored Canadian folk-pop singer-songwriter Heather Hill presents her captivating fourth studio album, “Twilight Mist”, a 13-song clarion call to arms providing hope, inspiration and a sonic hug in troubled times. “Twilight Mist” is a cinematic, rapturous collection of etheric songs about matters of the heart, human compassion and the mystical beauty of nature and the cosmos. Hill’s soaring, rich mezzo voice and enchanting piano melodies are expertly woven with grounded world rhythms and neoclassical swells to create a heady soundscape that is all at once earthy, percussive, elemental and transcendent. Hill combines her love of the ‘70s-eramusical aesthetic with a modern, heart and spirit-centric approach.
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Candace Fleming (00:07):
Hello and welcome back to another episode
of Essential Mental Healing,where I am your host, candice
Fleming.
Hello everyone, and joining metoday, as always, minus a few
because of a medical emergency,have my lovely, lovely, lovely
co-host, janet Hill.
(00:28):
Mother of all Queen, highPriestess, yes.
Janet Hale (00:35):
And I love that introduction and I accept it
totally, and it's so good to beback Still dealing with some
medical health issues.
However, it's not stopping mefrom being here.
This is a space that I love tocome to.
Candace Fleming (00:53):
Thank you so much.
We also have a guest with us.
You guys, our guests, are soamazing.
They are phenomenal and I am sograteful to have the level of
great guests.
And Heather Hill is here withus and she is an amazing woman
(01:13):
who puts her healing in musicand I'm going to let her tell
you all a little bit about herso we can get rolling and learn
so much more on this journey ofhealing.
Hi.
Heather Hill (01:25):
Heather Hi, thank you for that amazing
introduction.
I particularly like the one foryour mom.
Thank you, yeah, so I amHeather Hill and I am a singer,
songwriter, and I live in BlueMountains, canada, and I have
been a musician all my life.
(01:46):
So I was classically trained inpiano and vocals and then I
went into the corporate world awhile and snuck down and played
the piano Uh-huh, it's true, Isee that bad look on your face
and then I really wanted to be amom and when I started having
(02:10):
my kids I really moved into alot of songwriting and kind of
unwound a little that classicalstuff and wrote songs really to
help me through motherhood.
And you know, as you know,that's it's not an easy, it's
not an easy thing.
Motherhood it's um, it's fullof um, you know.
So there's some sacrifices inthere.
It's hard work to keep it allglued together.
(02:32):
So, four albums later, I justreleased twilight mist, and
what's so beautiful about thisalbum for me is my mom passed
away recently and I that was analbum I wrote where I really
brought my own voice and my ownauthentic music and hers.
(02:54):
She didn't write a lot but sheher song is the 13th song in the
album and her song reallyhelped heal me.
It was her legacy, the way sheraised me, and I'm just so
grateful for her leadership inmusic and in my life to really
(03:16):
help me find my voice and, morethan that, my freedom.
So yeah, that's kind of alittle nutshell about me.
Candace Fleming (03:26):
Well, thank you , that's beautiful.
How um how many children do youhave?
I have two children, and what'stheir ages?
Heather Hill (03:33):
One is 19 and one is 16.
Candace Fleming (03:37):
So when you had them, had you had any music
released yet?
Heather Hill (03:41):
music released yet .
Yes, actually my first album Iwrote and recorded New York City
and it came out, I guess, justaround the time I recorded it
when I was nine, eight, ninemonths pregnant.
So then it came out thereafterand that was sort of my first
foray into my own music.
(04:02):
I recorded with Steve Adabowith Shelter Island Sound and he
had recorded Paula Cole andRoseanne Cash and Suzanne Vega
and some of those pretty amazingladies in his studio.
Candace Fleming (04:17):
When you first got into music or first started
writing your first album, youwere pregnant.
Pregnant, were you looking todo this full-time, and what were
you doing when you werepregnant?
Heather Hill (04:29):
yeah, well, I started music when I was four
and at 18 I had a pianoperformance degree and then I
went off into high-tech and then, after years of realizing what
the heck am I doing, I wentbackpacking and then the songs
started to drop in.
(04:50):
I'm like, but these are not Bachand Rachmaninoff, these are my
own songs and they were comingthrough my voice first, and they
were mixed with poetry, becauseI love to write poetry.
And then, in pops, thisopportunity I'd met my husband
(05:10):
and we had a chance to move toNew York City and I just
activated a dream which waswouldn't it be amazing to be
coached by someone fantastic andto really write songs and
really learn how to do this?
So a woman named Ann Ruckertshowed up and she was an amazing
coach in New York City andhelped.
She started the Jazz Foundationof America because she really
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felt like you know, there were alot of people that weren't paid
well in music and they weren'taging well and they needed
health care, and even she hadsome amazing stories about that
and I hooked onto her wagon forthree years and she really
helped me develop my gift.
Show me some amazing peoplethat could help me with my
songwriting and bring out my ownvoice.
(05:53):
So I'll be ever indebted to her.
She was a really special woman.
Candace Fleming (06:01):
Oh wow, woman.
Oh wow, Okay.
So just so I'm clear on howthings happened, when you packed
up your stuff and you wenthiking, were you pregnant at the
time?
No, so you left corporatebefore getting pregnant met your
husband got pregnant, metsomeone who could mentor you and
took off with your music.
Did you ever turn back tocorporate?
(06:22):
Never.
Heather Hill (06:25):
Awesome?
No, never, Because really, whenI was in corporate I heard that
voice.
What are you doing?
What is going on?
Your primary gifting is notthis You're sneaking down doing
your art in the lobbies, tellingeverybody not to tell your boss
who's also upstairs please keepthis quiet.
Everybody not to tell your bosswho's also upstairs please keep
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this quiet.
And that was my joy.
I was sneaking around like mymusic was an affair, oh wow,
yeah, and I was secretly writinglike any minute I had and it
was obviously my passion and mylove.
But I had this story in my headthat I could never make money
doing music and that has been avery expensive story for me.
Janet Hale (07:13):
Would you talk about the expense?
What does expensive mean?
Heather Hill (07:18):
Expensive, because I have maybe lied to myself a
few times, have maybe lied tomyself a few times.
At 16 I had an opportunity togo and really full scholarship
into university and music musictherapy actually funny ha.
And then I thought, oh, no, no,no, no, I don't what music
therapy?
(07:39):
No, I'm going to be a performer.
It's going to be like the realthing, with real audiences.
And then I, I chose money.
I chose money because I thoughthow am I gonna make a living?
How am I gonna put myselfthrough university?
So I picked a university where Icould work and go to school at
the same time, so I could affordit.
(08:00):
But my gift was still there andstill very much alive, and so
that little juncture in my pathwas an expensive one, because I
sold myself short.
I never saw what was behindthat door of music and I
proceeded to to foster othergifts that I also had.
(08:23):
So I ended up going down thatyou know English degree, tech, I
love to write.
But then it just it all had tocome back again because I had
shut my heart down.
I was not at a good place in mylife.
I really needed to.
I needed my gifts back.
Candace Fleming (08:40):
Yeah, what kind of mental struggles did you go
through?
Was there any mental healthproblems?
That was happening because youwere torn between what you
really wanted to do and makingthis money that you felt could
sustain you.
Heather Hill (08:58):
I was starting to wear a lot of black and I had
migraines, and the job that Iwas in was a lot of tech
startups, so I was on a planeand not staying in really great
places.
It was fairly high stress andwhile I made great money, I was
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not thriving and my heart wasjust aching.
So you know, it was just clearonce I looked at my vision for
myself I was not the person thatI needed to be.
I wanted to be an open-hearted,more spirit-led person in this
world.
And who was I being?
(09:41):
So, yeah, I'd say that was oneof my first crises that I ever
had.
I'd maybe picked not the rightpath for me, but I could change.
When I went to New York and Iremember sitting with Ann, ann
would take kids off the streetand develop them, and they
didn't have money in theirpocket and they might even not
(10:02):
know how to use their fork.
So she would say to me teachthem everything you know about
music, because they haven't hadthe opportunity.
So then I thought, wow, I canserve with my music and they
have this raw, unbelievabletalent and they just found their
way here, despite the no moneyand despite those dumb stories I
(10:25):
told myself.
So she really taught me a lotabout you.
Have a gift.
You have to do it anyway and doit in any way you can Like.
If someone asks you to play,you play.
If there's a wedding play,funeral play.
So she said to me you got toplay five, six days a week.
New York city there's tons ofplaces you can play.
Candace Fleming (10:47):
That's awesome.
When was your first cause?
You mentioned that you knew youweren't thriving.
So when was the first momentthat you knew you were thriving
and things had changed?
Heather Hill (11:00):
The moment I knew I wasn't thriving.
The moment you knew you werethriving Okay, there was a
divine moment when I wasn'tthriving.
The moment you knew you werethriving Okay, there was a
divine moment when I wasn'tthriving I actually heard a
voice and that I needed to quitmy job.
After that I was really full ofanxiety.
How am I going to do that?
I've worked really hard to getto here and you want me to quit
all that.
My parents are going to thinkI'm nuts.
(11:21):
I have to.
I'm going to sell everythingand go travel all that.
My parents are going to thinkI'm nuts.
I have to.
I'm going to sell everythingand go travel.
That piece was really wild.
So when I was traveling, thatwas when I felt I was on a beach
in Australia with a bunch oftravelers and I was laying in
the sun and I was just sittingthere in peace thinking how are
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you go?
You?
That was really brave, Wow.
And the women beside me werereally brave.
We'd all left something to votefor ourselves and our freedom,
and we didn't know how.
How were we going to pay ourbills?
How were we going to put allthis together?
We were in all that uncertainty, this together.
(12:04):
We were in that uncertainty andyet we were filled with peace.
That was, that was a really bigpeak experience for me.
Candace Fleming (12:13):
I didn't need to know, mmm there mmm, there is
a book called Love Does by BobGoff and he has this.
It's.
I'm on chapter 25.
I'm almost done.
But it's stories of his lifeand how he just did.
He just took off and did One ofthe stories about him going to,
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I want to say it wasn't Dubai,I can't think of what the
country was, but he thought hisfriend was playing a joke on him
about being able to be acommissioner there at that
country.
So he ended up going through.
He was like I'm just going tosay yes to everything, thinking
it's a joke with his friendbecause he had went and played a
joke on his friend, went to thehotel, ran up their room
(13:00):
service and so when he checkedout they found out like bob, so
he thought he was trying to gethim back.
So he's going through all ofthis.
He has a meeting this guy innew york only to find out they
were really asking him to cometo this country and commission
this country.
Um, which he ended up doing.
But it was just the fact thathe thought he was playing along
with a joke, saying yes, and hehas many stories on how he just
(13:22):
said yes, using love in theuniverse and propelling himself
even to the point where he wouldtake his kids they, when they
turned a certain age.
He would take them on anadventure that they wanted to do
, whatever it was.
They would pack up, go with noplans, and it was no sleeping
they would I think it was 48hours or so and they just
explored whatever it was thatthat kid wanted to do.
(13:44):
So if they wanted to go to,let's say, turkey, all right,
we're getting on a plane, we'regoing to Turkey and we're just
going to go and do it.
And so he has these moments inlife where he just does that and
you see how much comes out ofjust doing without the plan, and
it is so feeling to read thatbook and to say I can do that
(14:04):
too.
I can still do what I'm doing,but I can also live my life out
in a to make that money.
So everything is so condensedin our lives.
(14:25):
Our need to flourish doesn'thappen.
So many people get stuck in notflourishing, and I love that
you use music as one of those,because I mean, honestly, you're
our first music healing guestto tell you the truth, which,
which is amazing, and we've beendoing this for almost three
years now, but I know that janethas some things that I've been
(14:47):
talking, I've been going I hadjust shooting off the questions,
so go ahead, but I did want tosay that and check that book out
.
Love does, and he has anotherone, a follow-up to that, and
I'm going to start that shortly,probably tomorrow.
So yeah, go ahead.
Janet Hale (15:02):
Oh wow, thank you so much for all the things.
I was writing notes, I was likethe first thing that you were
speaking to me.
Whether you knew it or not, umis following our dreams and not
selling out, and that's why Iasked you the question um, I
think, what was it?
Uh, value, uh, I don't knowSomething about when you weren't
(15:24):
following your dreams and yourealized that you were paying a
high price and understandingthat when we stop following our
passion and our heart, that weare actually taking away from
ourselves, and when we make thetransition into what it is that
we know we were meant to do,because we've always known it,
(15:45):
however, we get caught up in theI need to be doing this and I
need to be doing that, and somuch gets lost in that.
And so I'm so happy to hearsomeone talk about having to
make the transition from onething to the other, transition
from one thing to the other,from the thing that is expected
by society mostly, and thenfollowing our passion and our
(16:08):
dreams.
And guess what?
One of the things and I'm not areligious person, everyone
knows this but one of the things.
My cousin took me to church withher and the guy said something
that struck me.
I was in the midst of goingthrough a divorce.
Guy said something that struckme.
I was in the midst of goingthrough a divorce and during
that time, wasn't sure if I wasgoing to end up in the home or
not.
You know, just all that stuff,right, and the man was preaching
(16:31):
and he said this.
He was talking something aboutsomething in the Bible when
people getting chased and thewater was, they got protected
the Israelites, I think but hesaid the issue was that they had
no address, it didn't matter,they kept going.
(16:54):
And so when I was listening toyou talk, I love that story how
we don't know how it's going toturn out, but guess what, how
much fun is it in doing what wewant to do.
And that is something that Iactually needed to hear today,
because sometimes I struggle.
I'm going through a transitionright now and sometimes I
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struggle with that, you know,and I'm like, oh, maybe, no, I
take that back.
No, there's no, maybe on that.
I don't struggle with that partof it.
I struggle with not knowing theoutcome sometimes, but I do know
how important it is to followour heart, whether it's singing,
storytelling, writing, whateverthat is, and I found it
(17:40):
interesting when I heard you sayhow the children you ended up
with children, and how they weredrawn to you and brought to you
to help you get back on yourpath to what it is that you
needed to do, and how brave youwere to get in the backpack and
go.
You know, then you find yourlove.
You know, yeah, and now you'reback at music.
(18:02):
Yeah, and now you're back atmusic.
Yeah, and then your last songon this last record that I'm
going to listen to was For yourMother Powerful, just absolutely
powerful, and I'm grateful tohave you here.
I think we are just picking upsome of the best guests.
I don't know.
(18:22):
We're just fortunate to do itso thank you so much for that.
Heather Hill (18:29):
I'm grateful to be here and you know what I love
what you said and if I couldjust offer.
You know, sometimes we get socaught up in comfort Like we
don't, but you know, you look atthe growth.
Growth does not come from acomfortable place, it's kind of
befriending discomfort.
And I think when you're sittingin that transition, in that
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discomfort of place, we have toreally engage our gifts because
it brings us such peace and flowwhile we're in so much chaos
and change, like as you look atour world right now.
If ever we needed to know whatour gifts were, it's now, and to
sink in, let our gifts washover us, because it inspires
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other people to then prospertheir gifts, it's, it creates
this community of connection,our gifts, if we just, you know,
use our little bits ofuniqueness and bind with others
to access their unique pieces,like a band, like an orchestra,
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like everybody has their partand they make this beautiful
whole.
There's no real superstar inthere, it's a.
You know that it's all weavedtogether and everyone really
knows where they are in that,and to me, I think we're always
in transition, right, we'realways in this change and we try
to control it.
(19:59):
Oh no, if I just have my job,my kids are going this direction
and my, my kid just stays inthe bathtub or my dog just stops
barking, whatever we try tocontrol it instead of just
saying oh, this or better, youknow but you know what I find
about that interesting, aboutthat part um the controlling
(20:22):
that we think we're doing andhow things end up the way that
they're supposed to right.
Janet Hale (20:30):
They do, you know, and so it's easier when we stop
trying to control it, right.
I don't know that we'reactually controlling it exactly
you know what I mean.
Candace Fleming (20:39):
Absolutely that makes sense.
Janet Hale (20:40):
Does that make sense ?
Candace Fleming (20:40):
it's.
It's like the blueprint.
I always talk about this.
We have to write our blueprintin pencil because it can be
changed.
You need an eraser to changethe blueprint and it doesn't
matter what your blueprint is,as long as you're open to
wherever it goes.
Have a plan, absolutely.
There's nothing wrong withhaving a plan, but be open to
that plan changing, because theplan is just an outline to guide
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you on the journey.
But if it changes, oh, ok, letme do this.
Ok, this staircase need to goright here, OK, that's going to
be better.
Ok, cool, I'm rolling with it.
Even I know I shared with youall earlier how my daughter was
in the tub and she wouldprobably be in there maybe the
whole time that we did this.
However, when I went to checkand make sure the house was
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settled, she was actually out ofthe tub drying herself.
So she is doing somethingopposite than I thought would
happen.
But I planned also for thingsnot to be the way I wanted them
or expected them to be.
I was hoping she would take abath, wash herself, get out, and
then I had already acceptedthere's a possibility that that
won't happen.
I'm not sure what will, butthere is a possibility.
But that also mentally frees upthat when we get upset and that
tension of you didn't do it theway I said, like it's getting
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done, we'll be all right, justlet things flow and go.
But you mentioned somethingabout being uncomfortable and
how growth isn't comfortable,and when we think about things,
I'm going to take it to a moretangible pain.
When women grow breasts, ourbreasts, they're in pain as they
grow.
When we grow new teeth, they'rein pain, that growing process,
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or we hear growing pains, and itmay be, whether we're talking
about emotional, mental,physical, those kind of things,
they're uncomfortable in themoment.
And then we have thesebeautiful things that happen
afterwards.
Heather Hill (22:26):
We have breasts afterwards.
Candace Fleming (22:27):
We have nice pearly teeth afterwards.
We have experience, we haveknowledge, we have growth in
that.
So being uncomfortable it'sgoing to happen, it's a part of
it, literally happens to when wegive birth.
To get here is uncomfortable,it's uncomfortable for the
mother who is birthing us.
So we have to look at that andsay it's okay to be
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uncomfortable because somethinggreat can absolutely come out of
this.
One more thing that youmentioned is that Twilight Mist,
which is your fourth album,which is your current album, was
your most authentic album oryou felt like you had your voice
.
What is it that prevented youfrom bringing your true voice to
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albums one through three?
Or do you feel that this voice?
It just changed and it feelsthe most authentic you?
Heather Hill (23:21):
Something happened to me during that creation of
that album, with my mom sick andbeing with someone unwell and
loving her so hard and coming toa grieving hard, and you know,
some really hard things in lifehappened during that time which
I think cracked me open A lot ofthe pain and the tears and the.
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You know how you can reallyexperience joy in those same
moments, like the deepest griefyou've ever had, and then this
most profound joy.
I'd never been in that spacebefore.
Like you know, as my mom waspassing, she taught me this.
She could barely breathe andyet she's playing hide and go
seek with me in her room.
She just really wanted out ofthere and she knew she couldn't
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go, but she was so playful andyet in the space of a lot of
pain in her body and I justthought, wow, the range of my
mother.
She is a strong, profound.
I hope I have a bit of that inme.
How did she do that?
How does she hold space forsuch extraordinary joy?
And then I watched her climbover to her piano and play this
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beautiful song that's on myalbum, the only love song she
ever wrote, and it's so amazingand she could only have the
breath to play part of it.
The big theme of it boy did sheteach me actually music is
survival, music is life.
Music is way bigger than meetsthe eye.
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Music was her way to survive.
It was her mental health.
She would say, oh, if I couldjust get my fingers on my keys
and I'm like I am such a jerkOver on the other side.
I'm thinking to myself here.
I am thinking that music issomething I have to put out in
the world and be successful at,and he or she is surviving with
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her music.
I need to really get under whatit is she knows about this
music.
So that's what's differentabout my fourth album.
These songs came from a veryspiritual place in me.
They were like a meditativejourney for me.
I wrote these songs in aprayerful space.
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They came through fully thewords, the amazing lines.
It felt otherworldly, it feltangelic, it felt you know,
whatever you believe in.
It felt like I was connectedand tapped into a source and I
just brought it.
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I didn't care.
And the other thing is I don'teven care about talking about
that process now Because youknow I was raised in the church
and I was raised.
My mom was a gospel player andwell, I love that world.
I don't love all of it, but Ilove, you know, I love all of it
, but I love some of it.
I love the big, open heart, Ilove the love and I love the
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compassion.
There was something much biggerto me.
I was interested in spirit.
No, just spirit.
I don't need all the stories.
I just want to tap into thisbeautiful thing and I want to
give it to other people, and Idon't care how that looks.
It means I'm going to be atyour bedside as you're
struggling on your way out ofthis life.
(26:49):
Then that's where I'll be.
Yeah, and that's what happenedto me in this.
I, unapologetically, amspeaking about it.
This album I was will help clearpeople's energy systems in
their body, their chakras, fromthe root chakra to their cosmic
chakra.
It's going to wash over themand find all the places that
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need a hug.
It's like a sonic hug.
That's what the album's called.
It's a sonic hug and whileyou're on that bridge of
uncertainty, this is a beautifulthing for you to listen to,
because it's going to meet youexactly where you're at and it's
going to move you, and it'sgoing to move you through a
whole range of emotions because,you know, songs and keys are
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associated with different organs, different emotions, different
frequencies.
With different organs,different emotions, different
frequencies.
Music is a powerful way to healand it's been going on forever.
There's been tribes that havehad songs for their babies.
A baby would have a song and amother would sing before they
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come into this world, the Maasai, I mean.
If you look at differenthistories of music, we were
doing this.
We were healing through music,the beginning, the end and
everything in between, to helpease our pain and to help bring
grace and to give us hope.
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And for me, this album, hopeand and for me this album, while
there's been a great deal ofloss, is very much about the
hope.
My mom is now my ancestor and mymom's mom, she's my ancestor
and I hear and I feel them and Ifeel them in my music and I
play my mom's piano and she's inmy strings, she's in the notes,
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she's in my strings, she's inthe notes, she's in the unicorda
pedal, she's in, she's there.
I remember even seeing herlittle gray head, you know
playing.
She was tiny and she'd playthis big piano with this massive
sound which is such a metaphorof her.
She was a tiny, fierce andpowerful woman and when she
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played well, she couldn't accessthat in the world with her
voice.
When she played, you're like,wow, there is a warrior.
There she is, I feel her heartand she melts me and she planted
that in me and I'm like if Icould be like her in that, if I
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could access my heart and givethat to you.
There I've lived a good life.
Janet Hale (29:30):
You mentioned the healing and we talked when we
had our pre-meeting about.
For me, music has gone down inthe generations and so there are
songs that came from my mom andmy uncles that I remember and I
do believe I may be the onlysibling that remembers the words
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to most of those songs andthere are songs that weren't
played on radios or anything ofthat nature.
You also made me think aboutduring the slavery times and how
they used song to escape likeWade in Water and then Meet Me
Over here, and how music is justas important then now as it was
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then.
My mother's music is just as mymother's been gone for over 20
years and her music is just asimportant to me and I will sing
her songs that she taught me andthey're, you know they're not
her songs, but they were songsthat I learned from her, that I
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learned from her.
And the other thing that youmentioned mom.
For whatever reason I'm on thismom thing, maybe because it's
the mom Mother's Day weekendjust passed, I don't know, but
with our mothers, the more welearn about our mothers, the
more compassion we have for ourmothers, and for some of us who
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have not had the most pleasantchildhood.
The more we learn, the lessanger we have, and that is
replaced with compassion.
And if we could add song tothat and music to that, because
it's all a rhythm, I think it'sall a part of a dance, it's all
a part of that orchestra thatyou mentioned, and so when I
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hear you talk about that, itreminds me of us being able to
go home, spiritually home,because there's no other place
like it.
Candace Fleming (31:36):
Yeah, I use music a lot to get into a better
place emotionally sometimes andI have my go to, my go to music
or album said, no matter what,this is the album I can hear.
And so I wonder, with youralbum have you, have you
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received any critiques from justthe general listeners and, if
you have, what is some of thefeedback on their healing, if
you've heard any?
Heather Hill (32:11):
Well, the most impactful feedback I've had is
in my home.
I've been doing small concertswhere I play the album live on
my mom's piano and people willlay down or do restorative yoga
at the same time as listening tothe music.
They go off and have theirreally beautiful, relaxing,
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restorative time.
They'll say to me there's onesong called Heart Song and I
wrote it for my children and Iwanted them to understand my
love and give them a song andit's a deep love song about you
know how my blood is their bloodand my rhythm of my heart is
their rhythm and my pulse istheir pulse.
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Pulse is their pulse and youknow the way that I'd hold them
in my neck.
You know nuzzling them and thesense of me and the sense of
them.
It's the Divine Mother I'm so.
I'm so taken by that, thestrength that a mother can just
take a crying baby, put the babyover her heart and the baby is
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calm.
And you know, for those thatdon't have moms and that you
know haven't had that motheringexperience, I wish that for all
of them that they receive thatthrough music in any possible
way.
But that particular song andthere's different songs
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depending on what the thing isthat a person is dealing with
when they're listening to thismusic, because there's different
chakra systems.
Some people really resistcertain songs and some people
are kind of in love with thesong that you know, for example,
the sacral chakra is your powercenter, your womb is right
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there and it's your secondchakra.
A lot of women have a challengewith their sacral chakra, their
voice, their power, theirfierceness.
So I have a song called Wingsand it's a song that nurtures
the sacral chakra and it was asong I used to sing to my
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daughter when she was havingnight terrors and it was.
I could literally feelArchangel Michael come in with
these big wings and wind wouldblow through and she'd
immediately calm and she'd fallasleep and my husband would be
like, how does that work?
Like what's happening in there?
You know I'd taken reiki so Ihired.
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I understood like, oh, okay,I'm just gonna, we're just gonna
put my hands on her and seewhat I'm gonna call in my
ancestors, I'm gonna call in myguides in my the angelic realm
and I'm gonna see if, if thishelps, and like every time, it
helped.
And this song came and it'sWings and that song has a real
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reaction for people, because alot of us have different needs
in our bodies depending where weare, our stories, our history,
the vocal chakra.
There's a song called Sanctuary.
It's a song that people havechallenges with if they've not
been able to find their voice orif they've been shut down in
their lifetime and can be seenbut not heard.
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A lot of women in that space,about going into the space of
you that loves you and is clearand no darkness gets to come in.
I'm going to speak of this, I'mgoing to write of this.
Um, it's also a powerful song.
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And then there's you know eachone.
I think, if you come into thealbum for the first time,
because I was guided that youhave to kind of clear your root
chakra first before you canreally receive.
The first song is called SacredCycle and it's about the cycles
of life and how it's verycircular, our journeys until we
get the lesson.
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We're going to go around andaround and repeat, and repeat
until we get that thing.
So that's what that song is.
It's built in music in a cycleof fifths, which was really kind
of cool that it worked out thatway and it compares nature to
its cyclical life and ourseasons and our times of
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motherhood and our, our cycles,which actually free us in the
end.
We do it until we're done withit and then we're free and I
don't know when that's going tobe for you and when that's going
to be for me, but I'm justgoing to love you until you're
done with that.
And I find, when I tap into myancestors, who are an incredibly
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powerful mother line, and Ifeel them, and I feel their
incredible compassion and theirleadership, and they whisper I
hear their whisperings aboutthese cycles and that it's not
important for me to find meaning.
I am the meaning.
Just love them, hold their heads.
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Just love is why I'm here, andto bring joy.
That's it.
And that root chakra if I canjust dig my roots into the
ground, I can't forget my roots.
I need to know them and reallyaccept them and dig in.
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Know them and really acceptthem and dig in, then I can grow
and I can, I can bloom and Ican give that to my children.
So that's what that's the startof the album.
This like deep grounding knowwho you are that is so beautiful
.
Candace Fleming (37:58):
Um, love.
I know we both just want tokeep going, don't we?
Especially with that word love.
It is a very, very rooted thing, though, once you find it and
discover it within yourself.
I don't think it's a big search, more so than it is just to
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give it's.
Let me be the light to shineout to everyone else and just
let it be.
I don't have an agenda.
I'm not trying to heal anyoneor change anyone.
I just want to be, and becauseI'm being, it just happens to
bring a healing force.
It happens to bring a calmness.
It happens to bring thoseancestors, because when you're
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still, they just are.
You just are we talk about well,you didn't necessarily talk
about it, but when we hearpeople and they talk about, God
is in us and the light of God isin us.
That is what I hear when youtalk about your music and how it
just shines out.
And when people listen to it,they'll feel that because it
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just is, you didn't do it forfame, you didn't do it for money
, you didn't do it for anyreasons outside of giving your
true, authentic self and lettingthe world hear it and whatever
comes from, that is what comesfrom it, but it has so much
meaning to you and so much loveto you.
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I wonder do your uh-oh sorry,does your children like the
music too?
Are they into music at all, ordo they just like to listen?
Heather Hill (39:33):
They are into music.
I'm still hoping that.
You know that they havebeautiful voices and one is
starting to play with the guitar.
They have beautiful voices andone is starting to play with the
guitar.
I'm hoping they fall into music.
I mean, I sang them to sleepand woke them up with music,
just like my mom did for me.
Music got us through all thetimes, her music in particular.
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She lost her mom when I wasborn and she put me under the
piano and basically playednonstop for six months.
So I think of that sort of inminor keys, like she was
grieving.
So that's what I do If someonedies, I go to the piano.
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If there's a big shooting, I goto the piano.
If there's something joyful newbabies coming I go to the piano
.
If there's like, if there'ssomething joyful new babies
coming I go to the piano.
If anybody wants a song, I wantto write one.
So you know, it's just, it'ssuch an incredible, it's an
incredible thing to be able tohave and I'm so, I'm so grateful
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, honestly.
Janet Hale (40:40):
Yeah, I wanted to say I lost my son in 2016, and
he was an incredible rapper tome, I mean he was the stuff, and
I have one of his CDs that Ilisten to and how healing
listening to him talk.
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His rap talks about things thatare relevant today, okay, and he
baths in 2016.
So that has been very healingand for me, I feel very
fortunate that both my childrenand I say are, even though he's
passed are very artistic.
(41:23):
They are acting, you know, theyhave some kind of you know what
I mean.
So their mom is a hippie.
I don't know if that hasanything to do with it, but when
you talked about song and thehealing, I thought about Candace
and myself, and so I often sayI am not religious and, however,
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I do believe that there is aforce in this universe that has
caused all beautiful things tohappen and that I have been
protected all of my life, andwhen I say that, I mean really
protected, and so when I getreally into this, I'm not
religious thing.
Candace has kidnapped me fromtime to time and put on a song
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by Yolanda Adams.
Candace Fleming (42:11):
She does it on purpose which one in the midst
of it all yes that's my favoriteanyway.
Janet Hale (42:19):
So she'll, she'll, put that on and all of a sudden,
I'm well and it's comeeverything.
I'm wide open, I'm wide, allthe way open to that.
And the other song for me isTake Me to the King and for
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whatever, I don't know what it'ssomething about that's even
bigger than the other one.
Candace Fleming (42:45):
That one gets you crying more.
Janet Hale (42:47):
That just opens me all the way up.
And so the other thing, thisgenerational thing, I'm real big
on.
You know you're talking aboutyour mom.
I'm talking about my mom and mydaughter, my son, my aunties
and uncles who um struggled withum addiction and but they found
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peace in music and singing.
You know what I mean and I getit now.
You know like I understand itnow, but one of the things that
candace did for me and um thatreally touched me, there's a
song that I like.
Um stapleton is his name andthe name of the song is
tennessee whiskey oh, yeah, yeahyeah, and that is my jam.
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Like, oh, I turn that on and youcan't tell me.
I'm not a superstar.
So what she did was she turned.
She was in her car, she turnedit on and she said did you say
this is my mama's jam?
I don't know what she said,this is the jam, whatever she
said.
And then she played it and myheart was so full, it's getting
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full now.
It was so full, it's gettingfull now.
It was so full because I knewthat she can feel me, that she
sees me and that she understandsme and that she loves me.
And when she did that, that'swhat it showed to me.
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You know what I mean, and Idon't know if it's her favorite
song, but she knew it was hermom's favorite song and she
wanted me to know that.
I knew that.
And she played it and she hadthe radio and she was jamming to
it and everything, and that wasso healing for me, in such a
loving way.
(44:41):
And you talked about being open, for us to get open, because
that music will open you up.
You know, there's a music outthere, you guys, I don't know
what it is for each person, butthere's music out there that
will open up your soul, yeah,and open up your heart and open
(45:02):
up each cell in your body andmake it move, yeah, and so I
appreciate that you offer thatto the world.
Heather Hill (45:10):
Mm-hmm.
Janet Hale (45:12):
I've been fortunate enough to gain some of that
through my ancestors, through mymother and my aunties, who are
no longer here, but some oftheir music I can think of a
song of them and I'm like, ohyeah, I remember when they were
in the kitchen and they weresinging and they was doing their
thing or they were doing thebop and just those different
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kinds of things.
Or think of my son and some ofthe rapping that he did and like
I was really digging that youknow, like I'm not as cool as
him, but that was really cool.
Or when my granddaughter isover and we listen to music and
she knows songs, to songs thatcame my way when she was born
and she gets in, she startssinging and playing it out, and
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it's just those moments.
Or watching Candace, who can doa lot of things, she can act,
she can do a lot of things, butwhen she sings to music, it's,
you know, it's nice.
But to have that happen it'sstill joyful.
It's such a joyful moment to beable to have that happen.
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It's still joyful.
It's such a joyful moment to beable to have that, to have the
power of song, of music, in mylife.
I'm just very grateful for thatand grateful for you being able
to offer that to others who maynot understand it, but once
they get it, their soul can beon fire.
Candace Fleming (46:42):
Heather, I want to thank you for your time and
what you are giving to the world.
Thank you, thank you.
Continue to keep doing it untilyou can't, no matter what's to
come out of it.
Doing it until you can't, nomatter what's to come out of it,
because even if it's just oneperson who needs your music, who
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needs to heal, that's oneperson that you saved in the
world, which is the mission.
It's just get one if you canget one, and you've already done
that.
So just continue to do.
What you do is healing foryourself and its own, and that's
automatically going to make itmore healing for others.
So thank you for that.
I do want to give.
The suicide prevention lifelineis in Canada.
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I would love to make sure thatwe cover that.
If not, I will put it in theshow notes and we can definitely
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get that for everyone.
I can find out.
Heather Hill (47:53):
I know here we dial 911 if we're in some
trouble and they automaticallyput you through to this line.
But let me just see.
Candace Fleming (48:03):
OK, so 911 would definitely be a place to
be redirected for NationalSuicide Prevention Lifeline.
Heather Hill (48:10):
Is there any.
Candace Fleming (48:11):
I'm sorry, it's 988.
Oh, so it's 988, us and Canada.
Perfect, that makes everythingeasy.
So, um, if you guys arestruggling with anything, you
can definitely call or text thatline.
Um, is there any last thingsyou guys wanted to give before
we wrapped up?
We are at the end, of course,um, but anything that you guys
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want to share or give to theaudience before we take off?
Janet Hale (48:37):
I want to say something.
Of course, candice goes.
Yes, I am glad to have ourguest today to provide a
different type of healing,because this show is about
healing, and we do talk aboutthe prevention of suicide
prevention line, because weunderstand that some folks are
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suffering and may needadditional assistance.
We have found this way to helpyou in your healing process,
because we have to learn how, ifwe can, how to laugh as we cry,
how to grow, how to get past it.
What do we do?
(49:17):
Who do we talk to?
Is it okay to talk about it?
So, sing about it, play about it, listen to music, whatever it
is we need to do.
So I'm just really grateful forthis platform.
I'm grateful to be able to beon the platform with my daughter
and to share this moment,because I won't always be here,
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but these will be here.
You'll be able to look back atthese tapes and hear your mother
and see your mother as weinteract with different people,
who is bringing peace andhealing to others.
So that's all I have to say andthank you so much for being our
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guest today.
Heather Hill (50:02):
Thank you both.
I just I love who you are andwho you're being in this world
and I just you know, I want tosay to your audience that you
are so loved and you are lovedin so many ways and there's, you
know, know, I know when you'restruggling and going through
hard times the pace is very slow, you can't handle a lot of
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things.
It's overwhelming and that ifyou just put on your favorite
song, it's really simple.
Just take the space and put onyour favorite song, that one
that you just remember there'shope or it's because your mom
loved it or someone you knowloved it.
But you know, it's just thatoffer to find that song for you
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that gets you through.
And put that on and, yeah, justknow you're loved, thank you.
Candace Fleming (50:57):
You can sure feel it from YouTube, so you're
out there spreading it, thankyou, where can people find your
music, where can they get thealbum and what are your social
handles?
Heather Hill (51:10):
So my website is heatherhillca easy C-A for the
Canada piece, and you can findme on Spotify or Apple or any of
the platforms under HeatherHill.
So I'm there and all my musicis there and easy to find, and
YouTube as well Heather HillMusic.
So it's all out there and youknow if you find your way there.
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That's just wonderful.
Candace Fleming (51:37):
Well, thank you so much, Heather, it has been
an absolute pleasure.
Of course, if you all arelooking to reach me, you can
find me at CandiceFleming atEssentialMotivationcom.
If you're looking to be a guestEssentialMotivationcom, I will
be rolling out a mentoringprogram soon so you guys can
(51:57):
check that out as well.
Yeah, so Facebook, instagram,essential Motivation LLC and
Essential Motivation forFacebook.
And, of course, we are justgrateful, so grateful, to have
you, to have mom, to have me tohave the show, to be able to put
out something for healing in anon-traditional way, to see that
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there are ways to deal withwhatever it is that you are
going through.
We don't have to stay stuck in arut in any way.
It's okay to acknowledge thatrut and find ways to move past
it.
Change that blueprint, go getyour pencil and it's okay, it's
going to change a little bit,but be open to whatever that
change in life is.
Find the joy in it, find thegoodness in it, find the lesson
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in it, the message in it,whatever it is, acknowledge that
and find ways to move past it,whether it's music, meditation,
yoga, therapy, church, whateverthat form of healing looks like
brothers even watching movieswith your family, whatever that
is for you.
Take that time to unwind andlet things go, find your happy
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place, tap into your love, tapinto your light and with that I
leave you all to love hard,forgive often and laugh frequent
.
Thank you, guys, so much.
Bye, thank you, bye-bye baby.
Hello and welcome back to another episode
of Essential Mental Healing,where I am your host, candice
Fleming.
Hello everyone, and joining metoday, as always, minus a few
because of a medical emergency,have my lovely, lovely, lovely
co-host, janet Hill.
(00:28):
Mother of all Queen, highPriestess, yes.
Janet Hale (00:35):
And I love that introduction and I accept it
totally, and it's so good to beback Still dealing with some
medical health issues.
However, it's not stopping mefrom being here.
This is a space that I love tocome to.
Candace Fleming (00:53):
Thank you so much.
We also have a guest with us.
You guys, our guests, are soamazing.
They are phenomenal and I am sograteful to have the level of
great guests.
And Heather Hill is here withus and she is an amazing woman
(01:13):
who puts her healing in musicand I'm going to let her tell
you all a little bit about herso we can get rolling and learn
so much more on this journey ofhealing.
Hi.
Heather Hill (01:25):
Heather Hi, thank you for that amazing
introduction.
I particularly like the one foryour mom.
Thank you, yeah, so I amHeather Hill and I am a singer,
songwriter, and I live in BlueMountains, canada, and I have
been a musician all my life.
(01:46):
So I was classically trained inpiano and vocals and then I
went into the corporate world awhile and snuck down and played
the piano Uh-huh, it's true, Isee that bad look on your face
and then I really wanted to be amom and when I started having
(02:10):
my kids I really moved into alot of songwriting and kind of
unwound a little that classicalstuff and wrote songs really to
help me through motherhood.
And you know, as you know,that's it's not an easy, it's
not an easy thing.
Motherhood it's um, it's fullof um, you know.
So there's some sacrifices inthere.
It's hard work to keep it allglued together.
(02:32):
So, four albums later, I justreleased twilight mist, and
what's so beautiful about thisalbum for me is my mom passed
away recently and I that was analbum I wrote where I really
brought my own voice and my ownauthentic music and hers.
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She didn't write a lot but sheher song is the 13th song in the
album and her song reallyhelped heal me.
It was her legacy, the way sheraised me, and I'm just so
grateful for her leadership inmusic and in my life to really
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help me find my voice and, morethan that, my freedom.
So yeah, that's kind of alittle nutshell about me.
Candace Fleming (03:26):
Well, thank you , that's beautiful.
How um how many children do youhave?
I have two children, and what'stheir ages?
Heather Hill (03:33):
One is 19 and one is 16.
Candace Fleming (03:37):
So when you had them, had you had any music
released yet?
Heather Hill (03:41):
music released yet .
Yes, actually my first album Iwrote and recorded New York City
and it came out, I guess, justaround the time I recorded it
when I was nine, eight, ninemonths pregnant.
So then it came out thereafterand that was sort of my first
foray into my own music.
(04:02):
I recorded with Steve Adabowith Shelter Island Sound and he
had recorded Paula Cole andRoseanne Cash and Suzanne Vega
and some of those pretty amazingladies in his studio.
Candace Fleming (04:17):
When you first got into music or first started
writing your first album, youwere pregnant.
Pregnant, were you looking todo this full-time, and what were
you doing when you werepregnant?
Heather Hill (04:29):
yeah, well, I started music when I was four
and at 18 I had a pianoperformance degree and then I
went off into high-tech and then, after years of realizing what
the heck am I doing, I wentbackpacking and then the songs
started to drop in.
(04:50):
I'm like, but these are not Bachand Rachmaninoff, these are my
own songs and they were comingthrough my voice first, and they
were mixed with poetry, becauseI love to write poetry.
And then, in pops, thisopportunity I'd met my husband
(05:10):
and we had a chance to move toNew York City and I just
activated a dream which waswouldn't it be amazing to be
coached by someone fantastic andto really write songs and
really learn how to do this?
So a woman named Ann Ruckertshowed up and she was an amazing
coach in New York City andhelped.
She started the Jazz Foundationof America because she really
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felt like you know, there were alot of people that weren't paid
well in music and they weren'taging well and they needed
health care, and even she hadsome amazing stories about that
and I hooked onto her wagon forthree years and she really
helped me develop my gift.
Show me some amazing peoplethat could help me with my
songwriting and bring out my ownvoice.
(05:53):
So I'll be ever indebted to her.
She was a really special woman.
Candace Fleming (06:01):
Oh wow, woman.
Oh wow, Okay.
So just so I'm clear on howthings happened, when you packed
up your stuff and you wenthiking, were you pregnant at the
time?
No, so you left corporatebefore getting pregnant met your
husband got pregnant, metsomeone who could mentor you and
took off with your music.
Did you ever turn back tocorporate?
(06:22):
Never.
Heather Hill (06:25):
Awesome?
No, never, Because really, whenI was in corporate I heard that
voice.
What are you doing?
What is going on?
Your primary gifting is notthis You're sneaking down doing
your art in the lobbies, tellingeverybody not to tell your boss
who's also upstairs please keepthis quiet.
Everybody not to tell your bosswho's also upstairs please keep
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this quiet.
And that was my joy.
I was sneaking around like mymusic was an affair, oh wow,
yeah, and I was secretly writinglike any minute I had and it
was obviously my passion and mylove.
But I had this story in my headthat I could never make money
doing music and that has been avery expensive story for me.
Janet Hale (07:13):
Would you talk about the expense?
What does expensive mean?
Heather Hill (07:18):
Expensive, because I have maybe lied to myself a
few times, have maybe lied tomyself a few times.
At 16 I had an opportunity togo and really full scholarship
into university and music musictherapy actually funny ha.
And then I thought, oh, no, no,no, no, I don't what music
therapy?
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No, I'm going to be a performer.
It's going to be like the realthing, with real audiences.
And then I, I chose money.
I chose money because I thoughthow am I gonna make a living?
How am I gonna put myselfthrough university?
So I picked a university where Icould work and go to school at
the same time, so I could affordit.
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But my gift was still there andstill very much alive, and so
that little juncture in my pathwas an expensive one, because I
sold myself short.
I never saw what was behindthat door of music and I
proceeded to to foster othergifts that I also had.
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So I ended up going down thatyou know English degree, tech, I
love to write.
But then it just it all had tocome back again because I had
shut my heart down.
I was not at a good place in mylife.
I really needed to.
I needed my gifts back.
Candace Fleming (08:40):
Yeah, what kind of mental struggles did you go
through?
Was there any mental healthproblems?
That was happening because youwere torn between what you
really wanted to do and makingthis money that you felt could
sustain you.
Heather Hill (08:58):
I was starting to wear a lot of black and I had
migraines, and the job that Iwas in was a lot of tech
startups, so I was on a planeand not staying in really great
places.
It was fairly high stress andwhile I made great money, I was
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not thriving and my heart wasjust aching.
So you know, it was just clearonce I looked at my vision for
myself I was not the person thatI needed to be.
I wanted to be an open-hearted,more spirit-led person in this
world.
And who was I being?
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So, yeah, I'd say that was oneof my first crises that I ever
had.
I'd maybe picked not the rightpath for me, but I could change.
When I went to New York and Iremember sitting with Ann, ann
would take kids off the streetand develop them, and they
didn't have money in theirpocket and they might even not
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know how to use their fork.
So she would say to me teachthem everything you know about
music, because they haven't hadthe opportunity.
So then I thought, wow, I canserve with my music and they
have this raw, unbelievabletalent and they just found their
way here, despite the no moneyand despite those dumb stories I
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told myself.
So she really taught me a lotabout you.
Have a gift.
You have to do it anyway and doit in any way you can Like.
If someone asks you to play,you play.
If there's a wedding play,funeral play.
So she said to me you got toplay five, six days a week.
New York city there's tons ofplaces you can play.
Candace Fleming (10:47):
That's awesome.
When was your first cause?
You mentioned that you knew youweren't thriving.
So when was the first momentthat you knew you were thriving
and things had changed?
Heather Hill (11:00):
The moment I knew I wasn't thriving.
The moment you knew you werethriving Okay, there was a
divine moment when I wasn'tthriving.
The moment you knew you werethriving Okay, there was a
divine moment when I wasn'tthriving I actually heard a
voice and that I needed to quitmy job.
After that I was really full ofanxiety.
How am I going to do that?
I've worked really hard to getto here and you want me to quit
all that.
My parents are going to thinkI'm nuts.
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I have to.
I'm going to sell everythingand go travel all that.
My parents are going to thinkI'm nuts.
I have to.
I'm going to sell everythingand go travel.
That piece was really wild.
So when I was traveling, thatwas when I felt I was on a beach
in Australia with a bunch oftravelers and I was laying in
the sun and I was just sittingthere in peace thinking how are
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you go?
You?
That was really brave, Wow.
And the women beside me werereally brave.
We'd all left something to votefor ourselves and our freedom,
and we didn't know how.
How were we going to pay ourbills?
How were we going to put allthis together?
We were in all that uncertainty, this together.
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We were in that uncertainty andyet we were filled with peace.
That was, that was a really bigpeak experience for me.
Candace Fleming (12:13):
I didn't need to know, mmm there mmm, there is
a book called Love Does by BobGoff and he has this.
It's.
I'm on chapter 25.
I'm almost done.
But it's stories of his lifeand how he just did.
He just took off and did One ofthe stories about him going to,
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I want to say it wasn't Dubai,I can't think of what the
country was, but he thought hisfriend was playing a joke on him
about being able to be acommissioner there at that
country.
So he ended up going through.
He was like I'm just going tosay yes to everything, thinking
it's a joke with his friendbecause he had went and played a
joke on his friend, went to thehotel, ran up their room
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service and so when he checkedout they found out like bob, so
he thought he was trying to gethim back.
So he's going through all ofthis.
He has a meeting this guy innew york only to find out they
were really asking him to cometo this country and commission
this country.
Um, which he ended up doing.
But it was just the fact thathe thought he was playing along
with a joke, saying yes, and hehas many stories on how he just
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said yes, using love in theuniverse and propelling himself
even to the point where he wouldtake his kids they, when they
turned a certain age.
He would take them on anadventure that they wanted to do
, whatever it was.
They would pack up, go with noplans, and it was no sleeping
they would I think it was 48hours or so and they just
explored whatever it was thatthat kid wanted to do.
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So if they wanted to go to,let's say, turkey, all right,
we're getting on a plane, we'regoing to Turkey and we're just
going to go and do it.
And so he has these moments inlife where he just does that and
you see how much comes out ofjust doing without the plan, and
it is so feeling to read thatbook and to say I can do that
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too.
I can still do what I'm doing,but I can also live my life out
in a to make that money.
So everything is so condensedin our lives.
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Our need to flourish doesn'thappen.
So many people get stuck in notflourishing, and I love that
you use music as one of those,because I mean, honestly, you're
our first music healing guestto tell you the truth, which,
which is amazing, and we've beendoing this for almost three
years now, but I know that janethas some things that I've been
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talking, I've been going I hadjust shooting off the questions,
so go ahead, but I did want tosay that and check that book out
.
Love does, and he has anotherone, a follow-up to that, and
I'm going to start that shortly,probably tomorrow.
So yeah, go ahead.
Janet Hale (15:02):
Oh wow, thank you so much for all the things.
I was writing notes, I was likethe first thing that you were
speaking to me.
Whether you knew it or not, umis following our dreams and not
selling out, and that's why Iasked you the question um, I
think, what was it?
Uh, value, uh, I don't knowSomething about when you weren't
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following your dreams and yourealized that you were paying a
high price and understandingthat when we stop following our
passion and our heart, that weare actually taking away from
ourselves, and when we make thetransition into what it is that
we know we were meant to do,because we've always known it,
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however, we get caught up in theI need to be doing this and I
need to be doing that, and somuch gets lost in that.
And so I'm so happy to hearsomeone talk about having to
make the transition from onething to the other, transition
from one thing to the other,from the thing that is expected
by society mostly, and thenfollowing our passion and our
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dreams.
And guess what?
One of the things and I'm not areligious person, everyone
knows this but one of the things.
My cousin took me to church withher and the guy said something
that struck me.
I was in the midst of goingthrough a divorce.
Guy said something that struckme.
I was in the midst of goingthrough a divorce and during
that time, wasn't sure if I wasgoing to end up in the home or
not.
You know, just all that stuff,right, and the man was preaching
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and he said this.
He was talking something aboutsomething in the Bible when
people getting chased and thewater was, they got protected
the Israelites, I think but hesaid the issue was that they had
no address, it didn't matter,they kept going.
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And so when I was listening toyou talk, I love that story how
we don't know how it's going toturn out, but guess what, how
much fun is it in doing what wewant to do.
And that is something that Iactually needed to hear today,
because sometimes I struggle.
I'm going through a transitionright now and sometimes I
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struggle with that, you know,and I'm like, oh, maybe, no, I
take that back.
No, there's no, maybe on that.
I don't struggle with that partof it.
I struggle with not knowing theoutcome sometimes, but I do know
how important it is to followour heart, whether it's singing,
storytelling, writing, whateverthat is, and I found it
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interesting when I heard you sayhow the children you ended up
with children, and how they weredrawn to you and brought to you
to help you get back on yourpath to what it is that you
needed to do, and how brave youwere to get in the backpack and
go.
You know, then you find yourlove.
You know, yeah, and now you'reback at music.
(18:02):
Yeah, and now you're back atmusic.
Yeah, and then your last songon this last record that I'm
going to listen to was For yourMother Powerful, just absolutely
powerful, and I'm grateful tohave you here.
I think we are just picking upsome of the best guests.
I don't know.
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We're just fortunate to do itso thank you so much for that.
Heather Hill (18:29):
I'm grateful to be here and you know what I love
what you said and if I couldjust offer.
You know, sometimes we get socaught up in comfort Like we
don't, but you know, you look atthe growth.
Growth does not come from acomfortable place, it's kind of
befriending discomfort.
And I think when you're sittingin that transition, in that
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discomfort of place, we have toreally engage our gifts because
it brings us such peace and flowwhile we're in so much chaos
and change, like as you look atour world right now.
If ever we needed to know whatour gifts were, it's now, and to
sink in, let our gifts washover us, because it inspires
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other people to then prospertheir gifts, it's, it creates
this community of connection,our gifts, if we just, you know,
use our little bits ofuniqueness and bind with others
to access their unique pieces,like a band, like an orchestra,
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like everybody has their partand they make this beautiful
whole.
There's no real superstar inthere, it's a.
You know that it's all weavedtogether and everyone really
knows where they are in that,and to me, I think we're always
in transition, right, we'realways in this change and we try
to control it.
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Oh no, if I just have my job,my kids are going this direction
and my, my kid just stays inthe bathtub or my dog just stops
barking, whatever we try tocontrol it instead of just
saying oh, this or better, youknow but you know what I find
about that interesting, aboutthat part um the controlling
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that we think we're doing andhow things end up the way that
they're supposed to right.
Janet Hale (20:30):
They do, you know, and so it's easier when we stop
trying to control it, right.
I don't know that we'reactually controlling it exactly
you know what I mean.
Candace Fleming (20:39):
Absolutely that makes sense.
Janet Hale (20:40):
Does that make sense ?
Candace Fleming (20:40):
it's.
It's like the blueprint.
I always talk about this.
We have to write our blueprintin pencil because it can be
changed.
You need an eraser to changethe blueprint and it doesn't
matter what your blueprint is,as long as you're open to
wherever it goes.
Have a plan, absolutely.
There's nothing wrong withhaving a plan, but be open to
that plan changing, because theplan is just an outline to guide
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you on the journey.
But if it changes, oh, ok, letme do this.
Ok, this staircase need to goright here, OK, that's going to
be better.
Ok, cool, I'm rolling with it.
Even I know I shared with youall earlier how my daughter was
in the tub and she wouldprobably be in there maybe the
whole time that we did this.
However, when I went to checkand make sure the house was
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settled, she was actually out ofthe tub drying herself.
So she is doing somethingopposite than I thought would
happen.
But I planned also for thingsnot to be the way I wanted them
or expected them to be.
I was hoping she would take abath, wash herself, get out, and
then I had already acceptedthere's a possibility that that
won't happen.
I'm not sure what will, butthere is a possibility.
But that also mentally frees upthat when we get upset and that
tension of you didn't do it theway I said, like it's getting
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done, we'll be all right, justlet things flow and go.
But you mentioned somethingabout being uncomfortable and
how growth isn't comfortable,and when we think about things,
I'm going to take it to a moretangible pain.
When women grow breasts, ourbreasts, they're in pain as they
grow.
When we grow new teeth, they'rein pain, that growing process,
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or we hear growing pains, and itmay be, whether we're talking
about emotional, mental,physical, those kind of things,
they're uncomfortable in themoment.
And then we have thesebeautiful things that happen
afterwards.
Heather Hill (22:26):
We have breasts afterwards.
Candace Fleming (22:27):
We have nice pearly teeth afterwards.
We have experience, we haveknowledge, we have growth in
that.
So being uncomfortable it'sgoing to happen, it's a part of
it, literally happens to when wegive birth.
To get here is uncomfortable,it's uncomfortable for the
mother who is birthing us.
So we have to look at that andsay it's okay to be
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uncomfortable because somethinggreat can absolutely come out of
this.
One more thing that youmentioned is that Twilight Mist,
which is your fourth album,which is your current album, was
your most authentic album oryou felt like you had your voice
.
What is it that prevented youfrom bringing your true voice to
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albums one through three?
Or do you feel that this voice?
It just changed and it feelsthe most authentic you?
Heather Hill (23:21):
Something happened to me during that creation of
that album, with my mom sick andbeing with someone unwell and
loving her so hard and coming toa grieving hard, and you know,
some really hard things in lifehappened during that time which
I think cracked me open A lot ofthe pain and the tears and the.
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You know how you can reallyexperience joy in those same
moments, like the deepest griefyou've ever had, and then this
most profound joy.
I'd never been in that spacebefore.
Like you know, as my mom waspassing, she taught me this.
She could barely breathe andyet she's playing hide and go
seek with me in her room.
She just really wanted out ofthere and she knew she couldn't
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go, but she was so playful andyet in the space of a lot of
pain in her body and I justthought, wow, the range of my
mother.
She is a strong, profound.
I hope I have a bit of that inme.
How did she do that?
How does she hold space forsuch extraordinary joy?
And then I watched her climbover to her piano and play this
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beautiful song that's on myalbum, the only love song she
ever wrote, and it's so amazingand she could only have the
breath to play part of it.
The big theme of it boy did sheteach me actually music is
survival, music is life.
Music is way bigger than meetsthe eye.
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Music was her way to survive.
It was her mental health.
She would say, oh, if I couldjust get my fingers on my keys
and I'm like I am such a jerkOver on the other side.
I'm thinking to myself here.
I am thinking that music issomething I have to put out in
the world and be successful at,and he or she is surviving with
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her music.
I need to really get under whatit is she knows about this
music.
So that's what's differentabout my fourth album.
These songs came from a veryspiritual place in me.
They were like a meditativejourney for me.
I wrote these songs in aprayerful space.
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They came through fully thewords, the amazing lines.
It felt otherworldly, it feltangelic, it felt you know,
whatever you believe in.
It felt like I was connectedand tapped into a source and I
just brought it.
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I didn't care.
And the other thing is I don'teven care about talking about
that process now Because youknow I was raised in the church
and I was raised.
My mom was a gospel player andwell, I love that world.
I don't love all of it, but Ilove, you know, I love all of it
, but I love some of it.
I love the big, open heart, Ilove the love and I love the
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compassion.
There was something much biggerto me.
I was interested in spirit.
No, just spirit.
I don't need all the stories.
I just want to tap into thisbeautiful thing and I want to
give it to other people, and Idon't care how that looks.
It means I'm going to be atyour bedside as you're
struggling on your way out ofthis life.
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Then that's where I'll be.
Yeah, and that's what happenedto me in this.
I, unapologetically, amspeaking about it.
This album I was will help clearpeople's energy systems in
their body, their chakras, fromthe root chakra to their cosmic
chakra.
It's going to wash over themand find all the places that
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need a hug.
It's like a sonic hug.
That's what the album's called.
It's a sonic hug and whileyou're on that bridge of
uncertainty, this is a beautifulthing for you to listen to,
because it's going to meet youexactly where you're at and it's
going to move you, and it'sgoing to move you through a
whole range of emotions because,you know, songs and keys are
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associated with different organs, different emotions, different
frequencies.
With different organs,different emotions, different
frequencies.
Music is a powerful way to healand it's been going on forever.
There's been tribes that havehad songs for their babies.
A baby would have a song and amother would sing before they
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come into this world, the Maasai, I mean.
If you look at differenthistories of music, we were
doing this.
We were healing through music,the beginning, the end and
everything in between, to helpease our pain and to help bring
grace and to give us hope.
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And for me, this album, hopeand and for me this album, while
there's been a great deal ofloss, is very much about the
hope.
My mom is now my ancestor and mymom's mom, she's my ancestor
and I hear and I feel them and Ifeel them in my music and I
play my mom's piano and she's inmy strings, she's in the notes,
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she's in my strings, she's inthe notes, she's in the unicorda
pedal, she's in, she's there.
I remember even seeing herlittle gray head, you know
playing.
She was tiny and she'd playthis big piano with this massive
sound which is such a metaphorof her.
She was a tiny, fierce andpowerful woman and when she
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played well, she couldn't accessthat in the world with her
voice.
When she played, you're like,wow, there is a warrior.
There she is, I feel her heartand she melts me and she planted
that in me and I'm like if Icould be like her in that, if I
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could access my heart and givethat to you.
There I've lived a good life.
Janet Hale (29:30):
You mentioned the healing and we talked when we
had our pre-meeting about.
For me, music has gone down inthe generations and so there are
songs that came from my mom andmy uncles that I remember and I
do believe I may be the onlysibling that remembers the words
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to most of those songs andthere are songs that weren't
played on radios or anything ofthat nature.
You also made me think aboutduring the slavery times and how
they used song to escape likeWade in Water and then Meet Me
Over here, and how music is justas important then now as it was
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then.
My mother's music is just as mymother's been gone for over 20
years and her music is just asimportant to me and I will sing
her songs that she taught me andthey're, you know they're not
her songs, but they were songsthat I learned from her, that I
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learned from her.
And the other thing that youmentioned mom.
For whatever reason I'm on thismom thing, maybe because it's
the mom Mother's Day weekendjust passed, I don't know, but
with our mothers, the more welearn about our mothers, the
more compassion we have for ourmothers, and for some of us who
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have not had the most pleasantchildhood.
The more we learn, the lessanger we have, and that is
replaced with compassion.
And if we could add song tothat and music to that, because
it's all a rhythm, I think it'sall a part of a dance, it's all
a part of that orchestra thatyou mentioned, and so when I
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hear you talk about that, itreminds me of us being able to
go home, spiritually home,because there's no other place
like it.
Candace Fleming (31:36):
Yeah, I use music a lot to get into a better
place emotionally sometimes andI have my go to, my go to music
or album said, no matter what,this is the album I can hear.
And so I wonder, with youralbum have you, have you
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received any critiques from justthe general listeners and, if
you have, what is some of thefeedback on their healing, if
you've heard any?
Heather Hill (32:11):
Well, the most impactful feedback I've had is
in my home.
I've been doing small concertswhere I play the album live on
my mom's piano and people willlay down or do restorative yoga
at the same time as listening tothe music.
They go off and have theirreally beautiful, relaxing,
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restorative time.
They'll say to me there's onesong called Heart Song and I
wrote it for my children and Iwanted them to understand my
love and give them a song andit's a deep love song about you
know how my blood is their bloodand my rhythm of my heart is
their rhythm and my pulse istheir pulse.
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Pulse is their pulse and youknow the way that I'd hold them
in my neck.
You know nuzzling them and thesense of me and the sense of
them.
It's the Divine Mother I'm so.
I'm so taken by that, thestrength that a mother can just
take a crying baby, put the babyover her heart and the baby is
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calm.
And you know, for those thatdon't have moms and that you
know haven't had that motheringexperience, I wish that for all
of them that they receive thatthrough music in any possible
way.
But that particular song andthere's different songs
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depending on what the thing isthat a person is dealing with
when they're listening to thismusic, because there's different
chakra systems.
Some people really resistcertain songs and some people
are kind of in love with thesong that you know, for example,
the sacral chakra is your powercenter, your womb is right
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there and it's your secondchakra.
A lot of women have a challengewith their sacral chakra, their
voice, their power, theirfierceness.
So I have a song called Wingsand it's a song that nurtures
the sacral chakra and it was asong I used to sing to my
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daughter when she was havingnight terrors and it was.
I could literally feelArchangel Michael come in with
these big wings and wind wouldblow through and she'd
immediately calm and she'd fallasleep and my husband would be
like, how does that work?
Like what's happening in there?
You know I'd taken reiki so Ihired.
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I understood like, oh, okay,I'm just gonna, we're just gonna
put my hands on her and seewhat I'm gonna call in my
ancestors, I'm gonna call in myguides in my the angelic realm
and I'm gonna see if, if thishelps, and like every time, it
helped.
And this song came and it'sWings and that song has a real
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reaction for people, because alot of us have different needs
in our bodies depending where weare, our stories, our history,
the vocal chakra.
There's a song called Sanctuary.
It's a song that people havechallenges with if they've not
been able to find their voice orif they've been shut down in
their lifetime and can be seenbut not heard.
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A lot of women in that space,about going into the space of
you that loves you and is clearand no darkness gets to come in.
I'm going to speak of this, I'mgoing to write of this.
Um, it's also a powerful song.
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And then there's you know eachone.
I think, if you come into thealbum for the first time,
because I was guided that youhave to kind of clear your root
chakra first before you canreally receive.
The first song is called SacredCycle and it's about the cycles
of life and how it's verycircular, our journeys until we
get the lesson.
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We're going to go around andaround and repeat, and repeat
until we get that thing.
So that's what that song is.
It's built in music in a cycleof fifths, which was really kind
of cool that it worked out thatway and it compares nature to
its cyclical life and ourseasons and our times of
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motherhood and our, our cycles,which actually free us in the
end.
We do it until we're done withit and then we're free and I
don't know when that's going tobe for you and when that's going
to be for me, but I'm justgoing to love you until you're
done with that.
And I find, when I tap into myancestors, who are an incredibly
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powerful mother line, and Ifeel them, and I feel their
incredible compassion and theirleadership, and they whisper I
hear their whisperings aboutthese cycles and that it's not
important for me to find meaning.
I am the meaning.
Just love them, hold their heads.
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Just love is why I'm here, andto bring joy.
That's it.
And that root chakra if I canjust dig my roots into the
ground, I can't forget my roots.
I need to know them and reallyaccept them and dig in.
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Know them and really acceptthem and dig in, then I can grow
and I can, I can bloom and Ican give that to my children.
So that's what that's the startof the album.
This like deep grounding knowwho you are that is so beautiful
.
Candace Fleming (37:58):
Um, love.
I know we both just want tokeep going, don't we?
Especially with that word love.
It is a very, very rooted thing, though, once you find it and
discover it within yourself.
I don't think it's a big search, more so than it is just to
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give it's.
Let me be the light to shineout to everyone else and just
let it be.
I don't have an agenda.
I'm not trying to heal anyoneor change anyone.
I just want to be, and becauseI'm being, it just happens to
bring a healing force.
It happens to bring a calmness.
It happens to bring thoseancestors, because when you're
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still, they just are.
You just are we talk about well,you didn't necessarily talk
about it, but when we hearpeople and they talk about, God
is in us and the light of God isin us.
That is what I hear when youtalk about your music and how it
just shines out.
And when people listen to it,they'll feel that because it
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just is, you didn't do it forfame, you didn't do it for money
, you didn't do it for anyreasons outside of giving your
true, authentic self and lettingthe world hear it and whatever
comes from, that is what comesfrom it, but it has so much
meaning to you and so much loveto you.
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I wonder do your uh-oh sorry,does your children like the
music too?
Are they into music at all, ordo they just like to listen?
Heather Hill (39:33):
They are into music.
I'm still hoping that.
You know that they havebeautiful voices and one is
starting to play with the guitar.
They have beautiful voices andone is starting to play with the
guitar.
I'm hoping they fall into music.
I mean, I sang them to sleepand woke them up with music,
just like my mom did for me.
Music got us through all thetimes, her music in particular.
(39:56):
She lost her mom when I wasborn and she put me under the
piano and basically playednonstop for six months.
So I think of that sort of inminor keys, like she was
grieving.
So that's what I do If someonedies, I go to the piano.
(40:17):
If there's a big shooting, I goto the piano.
If there's something joyful newbabies coming I go to the piano
.
If there's like, if there'ssomething joyful new babies
coming I go to the piano.
If anybody wants a song, I wantto write one.
So you know, it's just, it'ssuch an incredible, it's an
incredible thing to be able tohave and I'm so, I'm so grateful
(40:39):
, honestly.
Janet Hale (40:40):
Yeah, I wanted to say I lost my son in 2016, and
he was an incredible rapper tome, I mean he was the stuff, and
I have one of his CDs that Ilisten to and how healing
listening to him talk.
(41:01):
His rap talks about things thatare relevant today, okay, and he
baths in 2016.
So that has been very healingand for me, I feel very
fortunate that both my childrenand I say are, even though he's
passed are very artistic.
(41:23):
They are acting, you know, theyhave some kind of you know what
I mean.
So their mom is a hippie.
I don't know if that hasanything to do with it, but when
you talked about song and thehealing, I thought about Candace
and myself, and so I often sayI am not religious and, however,
(41:46):
I do believe that there is aforce in this universe that has
caused all beautiful things tohappen and that I have been
protected all of my life, andwhen I say that, I mean really
protected, and so when I getreally into this, I'm not
religious thing.
Candace has kidnapped me fromtime to time and put on a song
(42:09):
by Yolanda Adams.
Candace Fleming (42:11):
She does it on purpose which one in the midst
of it all yes that's my favoriteanyway.
Janet Hale (42:19):
So she'll, she'll, put that on and all of a sudden,
I'm well and it's comeeverything.
I'm wide open, I'm wide, allthe way open to that.
And the other song for me isTake Me to the King and for
(42:42):
whatever, I don't know what it'ssomething about that's even
bigger than the other one.
Candace Fleming (42:45):
That one gets you crying more.
Janet Hale (42:47):
That just opens me all the way up.
And so the other thing, thisgenerational thing, I'm real big
on.
You know you're talking aboutyour mom.
I'm talking about my mom and mydaughter, my son, my aunties
and uncles who um struggled withum addiction and but they found
(43:10):
peace in music and singing.
You know what I mean and I getit now.
You know like I understand itnow, but one of the things that
candace did for me and um thatreally touched me, there's a
song that I like.
Um stapleton is his name andthe name of the song is
tennessee whiskey oh, yeah, yeahyeah, and that is my jam.
(43:35):
Like, oh, I turn that on and youcan't tell me.
I'm not a superstar.
So what she did was she turned.
She was in her car, she turnedit on and she said did you say
this is my mama's jam?
I don't know what she said,this is the jam, whatever she
said.
And then she played it and myheart was so full, it's getting
(43:56):
full now.
It was so full, it's gettingfull now.
It was so full because I knewthat she can feel me, that she
sees me and that she understandsme and that she loves me.
And when she did that, that'swhat it showed to me.
(44:21):
You know what I mean, and Idon't know if it's her favorite
song, but she knew it was hermom's favorite song and she
wanted me to know that.
I knew that.
And she played it and she hadthe radio and she was jamming to
it and everything, and that wasso healing for me, in such a
loving way.
(44:41):
And you talked about being open, for us to get open, because
that music will open you up.
You know, there's a music outthere, you guys, I don't know
what it is for each person, butthere's music out there that
will open up your soul, yeah,and open up your heart and open
(45:02):
up each cell in your body andmake it move, yeah, and so I
appreciate that you offer thatto the world.
Heather Hill (45:10):
Mm-hmm.
Janet Hale (45:12):
I've been fortunate enough to gain some of that
through my ancestors, through mymother and my aunties, who are
no longer here, but some oftheir music I can think of a
song of them and I'm like, ohyeah, I remember when they were
in the kitchen and they weresinging and they was doing their
thing or they were doing thebop and just those different
(45:33):
kinds of things.
Or think of my son and some ofthe rapping that he did and like
I was really digging that youknow, like I'm not as cool as
him, but that was really cool.
Or when my granddaughter isover and we listen to music and
she knows songs, to songs thatcame my way when she was born
and she gets in, she startssinging and playing it out, and
(45:57):
it's just those moments.
Or watching Candace, who can doa lot of things, she can act,
she can do a lot of things, butwhen she sings to music, it's,
you know, it's nice.
But to have that happen it'sstill joyful.
It's such a joyful moment to beable to have that happen.
(46:21):
It's still joyful.
It's such a joyful moment to beable to have that, to have the
power of song, of music, in mylife.
I'm just very grateful for thatand grateful for you being able
to offer that to others who maynot understand it, but once
they get it, their soul can beon fire.
Candace Fleming (46:42):
Heather, I want to thank you for your time and
what you are giving to the world.
Thank you, thank you.
Continue to keep doing it untilyou can't, no matter what's to
come out of it.
Doing it until you can't, nomatter what's to come out of it,
because even if it's just oneperson who needs your music, who
(47:02):
needs to heal, that's oneperson that you saved in the
world, which is the mission.
It's just get one if you canget one, and you've already done
that.
So just continue to do.
What you do is healing foryourself and its own, and that's
automatically going to make itmore healing for others.
So thank you for that.
I do want to give.
The suicide prevention lifelineis in Canada.
(47:23):
I would love to make sure thatwe cover that.
If not, I will put it in theshow notes and we can definitely
(47:48):
get that for everyone.
I can find out.
Heather Hill (47:53):
I know here we dial 911 if we're in some
trouble and they automaticallyput you through to this line.
But let me just see.
Candace Fleming (48:03):
OK, so 911 would definitely be a place to
be redirected for NationalSuicide Prevention Lifeline.
Heather Hill (48:10):
Is there any.
Candace Fleming (48:11):
I'm sorry, it's 988.
Oh, so it's 988, us and Canada.
Perfect, that makes everythingeasy.
So, um, if you guys arestruggling with anything, you
can definitely call or text thatline.
Um, is there any last thingsyou guys wanted to give before
we wrapped up?
We are at the end, of course,um, but anything that you guys
(48:32):
want to share or give to theaudience before we take off?
Janet Hale (48:37):
I want to say something.
Of course, candice goes.
Yes, I am glad to have ourguest today to provide a
different type of healing,because this show is about
healing, and we do talk aboutthe prevention of suicide
prevention line, because weunderstand that some folks are
(48:57):
suffering and may needadditional assistance.
We have found this way to helpyou in your healing process,
because we have to learn how, ifwe can, how to laugh as we cry,
how to grow, how to get past it.
What do we do?
(49:17):
Who do we talk to?
Is it okay to talk about it?
So, sing about it, play about it, listen to music, whatever it
is we need to do.
So I'm just really grateful forthis platform.
I'm grateful to be able to beon the platform with my daughter
and to share this moment,because I won't always be here,
(49:39):
but these will be here.
You'll be able to look back atthese tapes and hear your mother
and see your mother as weinteract with different people,
who is bringing peace andhealing to others.
So that's all I have to say andthank you so much for being our
(50:01):
guest today.
Heather Hill (50:02):
Thank you both.
I just I love who you are andwho you're being in this world
and I just you know, I want tosay to your audience that you
are so loved and you are lovedin so many ways and there's, you
know, know, I know when you'restruggling and going through
hard times the pace is very slow, you can't handle a lot of
(50:26):
things.
It's overwhelming and that ifyou just put on your favorite
song, it's really simple.
Just take the space and put onyour favorite song, that one
that you just remember there'shope or it's because your mom
loved it or someone you knowloved it.
But you know, it's just thatoffer to find that song for you
(50:49):
that gets you through.
And put that on and, yeah, justknow you're loved, thank you.
Candace Fleming (50:57):
You can sure feel it from YouTube, so you're
out there spreading it, thankyou, where can people find your
music, where can they get thealbum and what are your social
handles?
Heather Hill (51:10):
So my website is heatherhillca easy C-A for the
Canada piece, and you can findme on Spotify or Apple or any of
the platforms under HeatherHill.
So I'm there and all my musicis there and easy to find, and
YouTube as well Heather HillMusic.
So it's all out there and youknow if you find your way there.
(51:34):
That's just wonderful.
Candace Fleming (51:37):
Well, thank you so much, Heather, it has been
an absolute pleasure.
Of course, if you all arelooking to reach me, you can
find me at CandiceFleming atEssentialMotivationcom.
If you're looking to be a guestEssentialMotivationcom, I will
be rolling out a mentoringprogram soon so you guys can
(51:57):
check that out as well.
Yeah, so Facebook, instagram,essential Motivation LLC and
Essential Motivation forFacebook.
And, of course, we are justgrateful, so grateful, to have
you, to have mom, to have me tohave the show, to be able to put
out something for healing in anon-traditional way, to see that
(52:18):
there are ways to deal withwhatever it is that you are
going through.
We don't have to stay stuck in arut in any way.
It's okay to acknowledge thatrut and find ways to move past
it.
Change that blueprint, go getyour pencil and it's okay, it's
going to change a little bit,but be open to whatever that
change in life is.
Find the joy in it, find thegoodness in it, find the lesson
(52:43):
in it, the message in it,whatever it is, acknowledge that
and find ways to move past it,whether it's music, meditation,
yoga, therapy, church, whateverthat form of healing looks like
brothers even watching movieswith your family, whatever that
is for you.
Take that time to unwind andlet things go, find your happy
(53:05):
place, tap into your love, tapinto your light and with that I
leave you all to love hard,forgive often and laugh frequent
.
Thank you, guys, so much.
Bye, thank you, bye-bye baby.
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