The band Near Mrs guitarist Taig O' Shea joins the Creativity series and in this episode he talks about learning how to play the guitar, music and friendship.
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looking at music and morespecifically, one person's
connection to music and themusical world for him.
And so last week, we had Bhavyatalking very much about music
and singing, especially, and howshe comes up with this creative
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expression and how it all formstogether and comes to her.
But her day job was verydifferent.
You know, she's studying to bean aerospace engineer.
But as we're now moving on intothis episode, this episode is
about Tiger Shearer.
Now, he's an incredible energy.
He is one of my podcast mentors.
Let me start from that point.
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And that's how we connected, Tygand Anthony.
Now, Anthony, if we go back toJanuary, guys, we are doing a
little bit of time travelinghere.
So Anthony was one of my guestson the meditation episode, and
he's incredible.
And that's how I met Tyg andAnthony.
They come as a team, right?
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But what was really, reallyincredible is having the
opportunity to speak to Tyke ona one-on-one.
And what becomes apparent is,and I want to kind of share with
you here, okay, I am in my early40s.
Now, 22, 23, 25 years ago, had Iactually spoken to someone who
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was older than me in the contextof work and said to them that I
can bring them value, that wouldhave been absolutely dismissed.
I wouldn't be able to add anyvalue, would have been the
thinking.
Nowadays, things are verydifferent.
And I'm so grateful to be partof a time where people are
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really, really understood forthe people that they are.
They're not dismissed, notnecessarily, not anymore, for
their age, or they're notdismissed for their background,
or they're dismissed for havinga certain faith, belief, or
being however they choose toshow up.
And I say that, and I say thatvery cautiously because I know
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that this is still a challenge,okay?
Not everybody really understandsthat it's okay to be who you
are.
But before I digress, I want tokind of say that speaking to Tyg
was really eye-opening for mebecause he talks about so many
things that have happened tohim.
He talks about his musicalconnection, the universal
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language of music, and he talksabout the law of attraction.
And what's really interesting ishow he started to learn the
guitar, what happened, whattriggered him to do that, and
what that has meant.
He's an absolutely exceptionalguitar player.
He tells us about his band andalso you'll get to hear more
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from his band.
If you are not already followingthem on Spotify, please do that.
More details can be found at theend of the episode where Tighe
shares how to connect with himand hear the music.
Let me speak no more.
I'm going to leave it there.
So here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
I'm Tighe, Tighe O'Shea, and I'm currently in
Nottingham studying there.
I'm in my third year doing musicperformance, and I'm nearly
finished actually, which is kindof crazy to think, really.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
Three years, flown by.
SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Yeah, it really has flown by.
I started off doing maths aswell, so it's been a bit of a
ride.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Okay, what happened with the maths?
Is that still part of theequation?
SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
No, it's...
Ah, see what you did there.
It's really not part of theequation.
Maths was always the subjectthat I was best at in school.
I wouldn't necessarily say Ienjoyed it, but I...
I found satisfaction, I suppose.
I kind of liked how everythingwas...
logical and there's an answerthat you're trying to find
whereas i've really never beengood at writing and expressing
myself through writing i wasalways so badly explaining your
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answer questions back in school
SPEAKER_00 (05:42):
do you have any examples of answers that you've
written or tried to write
SPEAKER_01 (05:47):
like but yeah anyway yeah so so math so it was kind
of the thing that i was good atand that i didn't mind the most
basically but i didn't reallyknow what i wanted to do when i
finished sixth form well I didbecause I'd always known at the
back of my mind that I do wantto play music.
But I kind of never reallythought that was a viable
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option, really.
I kind of just thought it waslike, ah, you're probably just
going to be poor and the chancesof anything coming are pretty
small.
I kind of just always reallydismissed it and always thought
of it as a side project.
So I chose to do maths at uni.
But then I got there.
And I was obviously no Anthony.
I was living with Anthony.
And at the time, we were bothgetting into all this law of
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attraction stuff, just believingin universal forces, all that
kind of thing.
And it really picked my hopesup, I suppose.
It really just made me thinkthat actually there's really
nothing stopping me fromsucceeding in music, apart from
myself, really.
It's not to do with chance atall.
So yeah, then I dropped out ofmaths about three weeks into
uni.
9am starts every day probably
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
didn't help either.
It wasn't working out.
SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
No.
No,
SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
it really wasn't.
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conditioning wouldn't haveallowed any of that to come in
so what happened to you whatshowed up for you that allowed
that to happen
SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
yeah that's interesting you say that because
I do really see what you mean Ijust feel like the way just
society is and like the wayespecially like just going
through education and stuff aswell put through schools we're
really not meant to believe thatyou can do whatever you want or
have whatever you want or thatthere's basically anything more
than what meets the eye.
And I wouldn't necessarily referto myself as really, really
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spiritual or religious oranything, but I do definitely
believe there's universalforces.
I suppose what did it for meis...
honestly probably Anthony'spersistency the guy was mad
about it and then he just hejust got me on it so he was
watching um yeah yeah but youcan imagine yeah he was watching
loads of videos on um reallysuccessful people about how far
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they've come like Conor McGregorand his success story about him
visualizing himself on stage andloads of other stories like that
and basically he just wouldn'tshut up about it he just drilled
it into me until I had to sayyeah okay yeah it's real and
then we also had this thing andit started just before uni it
started in sixth form actuallywhere every time some i guess
law of attraction incidenthappened he would ring me and be
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like oh this happened like hethought of this person and then
he hadn't seen him in a yearthen he saw him the next day and
just just things like that andthe same thing would happen to
me like i remember one time wheni rang him and i was like wow
it's really real so um when ihad this dream it was just
during sixth form his dreamabout um i was like i was in a
room and i had i'd missed themath exam so i was doing the
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math exam like a day late withone other student in the class
out of 30 who had also missedthat exam but obviously it was
just a dream and I didn't knowwho had missed the exam because
I wasn't there and then the nextday I went into school and I
redid the exam and the same girlwas there like it was just me
and her in the room doing it andI was like wow like I don't
because I don't even talk to heranything so I had no idea she
was off so there was justmoments like that that we just
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shared together I suppose so I'mwaffling but to answer your
question I suppose we both kindof fed into each other and
because I spend so much timearound them in first year of uni
so we lived together in a flatof eight and it was me him and
six other girls which we hadgreat fun with and we still
talked to like three of themregularly but obviously you can
imagine a lot of the time it wasjust me and him so I feel like
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we just kind of fed into eachother just talking about that
kind of stuff
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
oh my god so that's interesting the dynamic of
because when my husband was atuni he was the only guy that was
living I I think he was with sixother women as well.
And he has a very interestingtake on what that experience
taught him.
What did that teach you?
It
SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
taught me that girls can be very petty.
Yeah, to be honest, it justtaught me a lot about human
emotion, I suppose.
I can't really think of anyspecific examples, but just a
lot of things that I wouldn'thave thought annoyed people that
I can actually now see how theydo.
It basically just made me a lotmore self-aware, I think.
But the number one takeaway wasdefinitely that girls can be so
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petty it kind of this obviouslyI have six of them and by the
end that it kind of split intotwo distinct threes that just I
wouldn't really talk to eachother and me and Anthony were
definitely better friends withone side of the three but
obviously we was just still kindof the mediators and the whole
thing so yeah it is aninteresting experience
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
yeah I bet yeah I bet I mean there are always
stories right when you're howsharing with anyone I'm sure I
could go into loads but I won'tbecause that's not what we're
here to talk about so tell melet's come back to music because
you said you had this idea atsome stage that music probably
wasn't you know it was at theback of your mind
SPEAKER_01 (10:57):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
and then this whole law of attraction thing happened
and there was some resonance bythe way that's a really powerful
visualization of you having thisidea of the exam and then it
actually happened yeah
SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
right it's really interesting
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
yeah and I guess we call those some of those moments
I don't know like deja vu orI've been here before but But
actually, they're yourvibrational abilities telling
you that this is a possibilityand it's happening.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
Yeah, that's so cool.
But actually, I am getting a bittingly.
But just so you know, becauseI'm kind of like, oh, my God, it
happened.
I'm one of those people thatgets very excited about stuff
like this.
It's like, whoa, come back tomusic.
I'm going to stop talkingbecause that's what we're
talking about.
What happened?
What was that moment, thatrealization when you decided 9am
starts weren't good for you,maths wasn't cutting the
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mustard, and it was musicbecause it's gone from the back
of your mind to the forefront ofevery day?
What happened there?
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
Yeah, just you saying that, going from the back
of my mind to the forefrontevery day.
Ah, that was such good times infirst year, just being able to
fully focus on that.
But what it was, was I don'tknow if there was a specific
moment, but it was just a veryconcentrated period of time,
like literally like probably oneweek, maybe 10 days or
something.
And me just thinking, hmm,actually, I'm not that good at
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maths as I thought.
It's not going to be a breeze.
So then thinking...
This is so boring.
So then thinking 9am, whichobviously isn't a good reason
not to do something by the timeit was.
And obviously on the other sideof the spectrum, there's like
just me thinking about myself onbig stages, just playing music.
And it was another thing becausewhere I'm from is quite a small
place, Kings Lynn.
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I'd never really jammed withpeople and just played
instruments with people much.
So the idea of coming to a cityand just being in a band and
stuff was just like, I just hadto do it.
And I was getting in a bandregardless of whether I switched
to music or not.
Yeah, I'm not sure if there wasa specific moment where I just
thought, okay, yeah, no, this isit.
I've just got to do it because Ican do it.
I'm waffling again, but I guessit was kind of a week to 10 day
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period where I went fromthinking it's just only the
stuff of dreams to thinking thatactually it's literally
completely in my control.
So why would I not do it?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
I love that.
why would you not do it becausethat's such an important
question like it's one of thebiggest questions and you
mentioned that you were going tostart a band or join a band
regardless tell us more aboutthe band
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
yeah so I'm in a band called Near Misses spelt
MRS and we are yeah horriblename horrible
SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
name okay you have to tell us where the name came
from
SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
oh god I was hoping you wouldn't ask this you know
what the worst thing is
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
there's always a good story come on
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
Angela out a website, honestly.
Really?
Yeah, seriously.
It wasn't me personally thatpicked it.
And to be honest, there wasn'treally a huge fan of the name,
but I was outvoted and Ithought, I don't mind it.
So there is also another storythat we tell people, depending
on what mood we're in, that wewalk down the street and outside
a pub, there was like ablackboard outside a pub.
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It said, what did it actuallysay?
It said, what do you call anearly...
I can't remember what it was,but it was something to do with
like a marriage that was aboutto happen, but didn't.
And it was near misses.
And then, and it was a truestory.
We did walk down the street andsee that one day, but it was
after the band generator thing.
So strictly speaking, it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (14:19):
Okay.
So it was like a sign.
It was kind of consolidating thefact that this is a good way to
go.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Yeah, I suppose so.
Yeah.
It's a nice, nice bit ofreassurance, but yeah, we met
right at the start of uni.
It was this, I guess, kind of aTinder for musicians really in
Nottingham.
It was like a, a meetup for theuni where you go write down what
you play and write down whatkind of music you like, write
down what you're looking for.
And then you put in this bigbook and then you can just
contact people that you see fitout your choice.
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So I met my drummer and bassplayer there and we actually
jammed with another singer, butwe just didn't really connect to
them, so to speak.
Then a week, maybe two later,when I did switch to music on my
course, I met an amazing singerand another really great
guitarist.
And then I kind of merged thetwo groups together.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:00):
Check you out merging.
I like that.
Okay, we know what normal Tinderis for and you have a Tinder for
musicians as well, right?
So obviously the creativecapacity and the energy for
Tinder for musicians is quitedifferent.
So tell me, What was the energylike when the group first came
together?
Was there like an energy whereyou're still quite unsure or was
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it like this eclectic kind ofburst of excitement?
Because that matters, right?
That energetic synergy betweeneveryone.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Yeah, I think probably a bit of both of those
feelings you just described.
But more than anything, well,definitely on mind, it was
definitely just that burst ofexcitement because as I was
saying before, I didn't reallyhave anyone to play music with
back at home.
And then on my first jam, I waslike, wow, this guy can actually
play drums.
I've never actually met someonethat can play drums really well.
So I was just like, this iscrazy.
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So I was just loving it.
And then I met just an amazinglytalented singer as well, who's
just a mad songwriter too.
And we just had neversongwritten with anyone before.
And we sat in a room, just meand him really early on.
And I just played something onguitar.
And he was like, yeah, keepdoing that.
And then he just wrote lyricswithin like five minutes.
And I was baffled because lyricwriting is something I've always
really But some people, I've meta few people like this, some
(16:11):
people just do have the gift ofit where they can just bash out
really meaningful things withinlike five minutes.
So I was just absolutely in awe.
And I guess it all kind of cametogether around then we were
just all so excited aboutwriting music together and
actually being in a room withpeople to play music as basic as
it sounds.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
See, that is really, really interesting, because
obviously the playing theinstruments, that's one skill in
itself, playing them together toget them to work together and
sound seamless as if they'resupposed to be.
supposed to be there together isanother skill and then when you
add in the component of lyricsof meaningful melodies and
everything what is that processlike for you and for the group
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because obviously now it'sprobably more natural
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
yeah for sure
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
but while you're learning together how was that
it
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
was interesting because In terms of musically,
we had three guitars because thesinger also plays guitar.
He's the best guitarist I'veever met.
And maybe he'd say the sameabout me, but we were just
basically so in order to havemet each other.
And then Will, the otherguitarist as well.
So we had three guitarists andone singer.
So making that work is kind ofunusual because normally it's
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two guitarists in your typicallineup.
So that was definitely...
Back then, we didn't really havea clue what we're doing.
We thought it sounded goodmerging the three guitars, but
we didn't really have a clue.
And I think that's just happenedreally naturally over time in
terms of lyric writing until notthat long ago it's only really
been Ryan that's written thelyrics and it's done I guess
it's happened in a weird waybecause Ryan will just be
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playing something and looping itand he'll just listen and then
he'll just like write somethingon his own within five minutes
and it's actually reallyfrustrating but he likes to do
this thing where he just leavesit till the last minute so
there's been times where likewe're having a gig we've got
this new song and he hasn'twritten a verse too and we don't
know what the verse lyrics areand he literally writes them
like in the taxi and then hejust sings them on stage and
we're like we're only hearingthem for the first time as well
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So to be honest, it's been quiteexclusive, the lyric rhyme,
because we haven't been too muchinvolved in it.
Yeah, it's funny.
It's become definitely more of agroup thing of recent times, and
we've all been chipping in anddoing it together.
And in fact, yesterday inrehearsal, we were sitting there
for about probably about 45minutes when we didn't play
(18:20):
anything.
We were just trying to grouplyric rhyme, which is difficult
when you've got five of youtogether.
And we definitely found that thestarting place is always to...
define what the feeling needs tobe first and then let everything
come after but yeah it's verymuch a work in progress though
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
yeah but that's kind of part of the fun right because
it's a journey it's anexploration you know if
everything was easy and therewould just be boring
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
yeah of course
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
you mentioned that you play the guitar
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
I do indeed
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
When did that start?
Tell us all about that.
SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Yeah, that's, guitar is honestly like my life,
really.
I don't know where I'd be if Ididn't play guitar.
Probably hate in my life, to behonest.
I picked it up when I was 10.
So I was in year six.
I just picked it up on a whim,really.
They were just offering guitarlessons.
And I think, to be honest, Ithink it was actually just like
peer pressure because thefriends that sat next to me in
that particular assembly atschool, just said, ah, I want to
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do it.
I want to do it.
So I was like, yeah, I'll do ittoo.
But then I actually just reallystarted liking it really early
on.
I didn't have like a gamesconsole or anything, which at
the time I hated becauseeveryone else had one and I felt
so left out as a kid.
But actually I can't thank myparents enough for it because it
made me practice guitar for likesix to eight hours a day for
about two years.
So I just got really good at ayoung age.
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It was some pretty fun times.
I was just doing nothing butplaying guitar as a little kid,
just as like a 10 to 12 yearold, really.
And my parents supported me onthe way, got me a guitar and
stuff.
So yeah, it was great times.
And then I've always kept it aslike my main thing, really, up
until now.
And I guess it's just evolvedover time, what I do with it and
stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
And so in terms of your degree, how much was your
guitar playing a focal part ofthat?
What happened?
What did you learn in yourdegree that you weren't aware of
before?
You know, what did it bring toyou as a musician at this stage
that you're at in your life?
SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
It helped me be a lot more creative with it.
The tuition that I got on myguitar through my degree.
up until probably the yearbefore I went to uni.
I didn't really know much.
It was all very technical basedwhile I was playing.
I was just learning songs,learning harder and harder
songs, learning pretty much anyguitar solo I wanted to because
I just sat there for like eighthours until I did it when I was
(20:33):
12.
But it was all very justcopying.
And I mean, I had great fundoing it and I do have great fun
doing it.
But in terms of actually makingmy own music through or putting
my own touch on things, that'sjust something I've learned a
lot about in the last few years.
It started before uni, actually,because it started when I
learned music theory at sixthform, which I didn't know before
that.
And that helped a lot.
(20:54):
And then at uni, One thing theydo in terms of the instrument is
help you express yourself morethrough it and get a better
feeling for your instrument.
That sounds like such waffle.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
No, no, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
Well, I can understand that.
And anyone that doesn't shouldjust, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
Yeah.
Are you musical at all?
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Oh, this is interesting.
No, I do sing a lot.
That's kind of my thing.
I've never really been intoinstruments because I can't
handle commitment.
Having an instrument and playingan instrument is a huge act of
commitment.
And I think...
You know, like you said, is yourrelationship with your guitar is
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a commitment and it allows youto express yourself and learn in
that.
And that's one of the mostimportant relationships that
you've had.
Do you feel that way, though?
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Yeah.
No, I 100% feel that.
In fact, right now I'm reading abook that Anthony gave to me
called Mastery.
I don't know if you've heard ofit.
And it's just about, well, asyou can imagine, it is just
about mastery of any specificfield or thing.
And reading it, I'm not that farinto it yet, but it's just
making me so grateful that I'vealready had that thing that I've
channeled time and energy andstuff into for years already.
(22:09):
Because a lot of people don'tnecessarily find that until
they're older.
But I just found it at a reallyyoung age and it's just
genuinely the thing that I love.
So I'm just really lucky forthat.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
that's phenomenal I love that because so my daughter
my eldest daughter is verysimilar in the sense that she's
studying music theory that's herthing music production she
writes her own lyrics shecreates her own songs and she's
12 and this is her since she wasfive since she wrote a song that
won a school competition and itwas like became the school
(22:39):
anthem and she is just obsessedwith anything to do with music
and then she teaches herself howto play the piano so when I was
telling her that I'm having thisconversation with you she was
like I can't wait to hear itbecause To her, it's like
anything to do with music,anyone who expresses themselves
musically is in her world.
(23:01):
It's just, you know, it's Midas,basically.
SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
Yeah.
No, no, I get that.
It is such a wide form ofexpression.
It's not tied down to just Iplay guitar and that's it or
anything.
I definitely feel that even onother instruments as well.
Like I have a tinker on thepiano and stuff like that.
Yeah, I just do really feel it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
It's interesting you say that because once you
understand the theory, it's howyou then apply that to
instruments is actually, itbecomes quite possible quite
quickly if you're inclined orfocus your energy into it.
Did you find that?
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
Yeah, for sure.
My progress, not as a guitarist,but as a general musician,
absolutely skyrocketed when Idid A-level music in year 13.
And it was funny because I wasthe only one in the class that
didn't know music theory and Icouldn't read it at all.
And I felt so out of placebecause everyone there all
played classical instruments, soobviously you kind of have to
learn that as you go along.
But yeah, once I picked it up,it just opened so many doors for
(23:56):
what I could do.
with it to be honest in terms ofdifferent chords that you can
use in different placesbasically just really
understanding what note is thevalue and meaning of each note
in any context and to be honestI'm actually really lucky as
well because I have perfectpitch so that probably just made
it a lot quicker for me too onceI knew that I was able to just
start hearing songs and justbeing able to just like play
(24:18):
along with them so that that'sobviously very useful as well
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
That really is.
That is amazing.
And learning music theory itselfis actually immersing yourself
in a different language, almostin a different culture that
comes with it.
It's
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
absolutely a language, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah.
And what you say is reallyinteresting because in your
class, a lot of people werealready playing classical
instruments.
And that language by associationis generally connected to
classical instruments andclassical music.
But actually, the language ofmusic is so wide.
It's so vast, it's so big, andyet it's so diverse.
And your story with connectingto the guitar is an example of
(24:57):
that.
So, you know, share what youfeel.
SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Yeah, I do definitely find that.
The instruments are justbasically a vessel for it, I
suppose.
And then, obviously, if youfocus on a particular
instrument, that just basicallybecomes almost part of your
body.
Sorry, not part of your body,but in the same way that I can
just talk English now withouthaving to think about what I'm
saying before, and it just comesout.
It obviously becomes the samewhen you focus on an instrument
for so long.
(25:20):
It's not even just tied down toinstruments, really.
It goes a lot further than that.
When I was 12 in my learningguitar, heavy rock phase, I used
to think...
I used to have this reallyarrogant opinion that...
any musician that's famous butthat doesn't actually play an
instrument is not talented itsounds really bad I haven't had
it for years I was literally 12but I used to just not really
get you know rap and stuff likethat but actually now it is all
(25:43):
just so clever because it'sstill kind of about how you
deliver and the resonance ofwhat you're saying and the story
you're telling through lyricsand stuff like that so it goes
way beyond just instruments
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
yeah I love that because 12 year old me would
have some interesting ideas aswell
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
so yeah
SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
so are you a bit of Daniel Radcliffe then are you
rapping on the side or are youjust sticking to music so music
and writing you know instrumentsand writing lyrics
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
yeah yeah that alphabet rap doesn't it
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
yeah exactly
SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
yeah nah I've I've dabbled in it actually and again
it's a lot to do with Anthonyit's this hilarious we need to
get a podcast where we're bothon good it'll be funny because
the first time I did was when insixth form he just challenged me
to a rap battle he literallyjust rocked up and he was like a
rap battle tomorrow at lunchtimelike I'm gonna kill you and then
(26:34):
so that's I just I just wrotesome bars down and then we had a
rap battle and then it's justlike a bit of fun that we just
go into we in first year whenwe're living just me and him we
used to just like try freestylea lot and stuff but it's always
just more fun than anythingserious really but yeah I've
definitely gone into thatthere's a period of time where
all my friends listen to wasgrime and general hip-hop so I
really got into it for a whilethree or four years ago
SPEAKER_00 (26:55):
yeah I love the nature of your friendship with
Anthony because having someonewho is quite relentless and
SPEAKER_01 (27:03):
focused.
Guy's so focused.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
Yeah.
No, he's incredible.
Really incredible.
But also there's an element ofplayfulness that's allowing you
both to explore and push yourboundaries.
And that's such a powerful partof who we are as humans and such
an important part of ourcreative expression.
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
For everyone around you, you've mentioned like your
band and the connection.
you have there in terms of thecreative flow and how things
come together what other kind ofthings have happened or what
other relationships have showedup for you where you've gone
okay i'm learning something fromthis or this is pushing me or
this is allowing me to expressmyself in a different way
(27:43):
because you've touched on thatin the a-level music and then
going to university andswitching course and realizing
that the law of attraction isreal it's possible and living
with your flatmates andunderstanding different things
so what other things havehappened where you've gone you
know what this is allowing me togrow or this is really allowing
(28:04):
me to focus on what my creativeexpression is for now
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
yeah I think um Going back to the thing with
Anthony, I think he's reallybrought out a lot in me, to be
honest.
Maybe he would say the same forme.
But yeah, I feel like we haveboth helped each other to grow a
lot, especially since going tolive with each other.
And it all started with that,just both changing our beliefs
on, well, when you obviouslystart believing in things like
the law of attraction, itchanges your life completely.
(28:29):
It just changes your belief oneverything in life.
So we've grown in a lot of otherways from that.
Obviously, starting the podcastadventure is a huge thing that
we've grown together.
We started off just like twofriends, but now we're like you
know business co-owners andstuff and we're we're a pretty
cohesive team when we're whenwe're doing the podcast and he
you'd said he was really focusedbefore the guy's incredibly
focused he wakes up he's stoppeduni now and he just wakes up at
(28:52):
seven every day which in theadult life that's i'm sure
that's nothing but living in ahouse with all your friends you
know doing something differentevery night waking up at seven
every single day is a seriouscommitment just watching him do
that and just be so focused andcommitted to well just
everything podcasting i learn alot from that as well.
And we do definitely growtogether.
So to kind of bring it back tothe question, I would say that's
(29:16):
taught me a lot about commitmentand the power of focusing on one
thing.
And when I think about that, Ihave seen that in my life before
as well.
Like I said before, for two,maybe three years, I did nothing
but play guitar and I just gotgood at it very quickly for that
young age.
So I've definitely learned thatjust the importance of focusing
on one thing and the mad thingsyou can do when you just focus
(29:36):
on one thing.
That's something that Anthonyhas definitely brought out in
me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah.
But you keep saying you're goodat the guitar, but you're not.
You're absolutely phenomenal.
You are incredible.
And I'm hoping, so tell us aboutwhat's happening in terms of the
band, in terms of your guitar,you know, in terms of you
playing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
So what's happening in the moment is, well, with the
band, we've just got back torehearsing together.
So in terms of playing, it'sjust to be playing with people
in the same room again issomething that I've really,
really, really missed overlockdown.
It's It's so therapeutic, to behonest.
So there's that.
And currently we're just writinga lot of music at a faster rate
(30:16):
than we did before, which isgreat.
So it's just writing,developing, trying to develop
our sound at the moment.
Also preparing to launch an EPactually next month, which is
exciting.
It's our first EP.
So yeah, that's good.
And as you can imagine with howthings are now, like social
media algorithms, you just haveto keep rolling with the times.
And it's the same on Spotify.
You just have to keep puttingout singles like every other
(30:37):
month or so.
So we're just trying to adaptour songwriting so that we can
actually meet those needsbasically just record and put
music out maximum every twomonths really ideally even more
frequent than that in terms ofguitar I am trying to improve my
I guess how I kind of expressmyself creatively on it I'm
trying to improve my songwritingon it I'm also trying to improve
(30:58):
my technical ability on it Iwant to be able to play faster
like on the electric guitar andit's So hard trying to do it
because I mean to do half anhour's practice every day, but
God, life is so busy and I findit hard.
I'm struggling to match it atthe moment.
But yeah, I'm trying to improvetechnically on guitar.
I'm trying to improve my ownsongwriting.
We're also trying to improve ourgroup songwriting.
(31:20):
And to be honest, I really wantto, something I would like to do
when I've got more time is tojust start putting videos of me
playing guitar on TikTok everyday or something like that.
But I just don't have the timefor it now, which is sad because
it's obviously my number onepassion, but that's just number
one priority is It gets in theway, like uni, of course.
But that's like a, hopefully anear future plan.
I'd like to see that in the nearfuture.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
That sounds amazing.
Yes, totally.
Get those videos on TikTok.
That will be amazing.
I have one last question.
I want to say last question.
I can't be too sure.
In terms of your dissertation,and I know I've quizzed you
about this before, what has beenthe focus of your dissertation?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
So my dissertation was the impact of variations in
harmonic treatment on alistener's emotional response to
music.
What that means is basicallytake a song, take the chords
that go underneath it, replacethose chords with a different
set of chords, but keepeverything else exactly the
same.
So the vocal line, the lyrics,the melody, the drums, literally
(32:20):
everything just except thechords.
how do people react differentlyto that what is the difference
in people's emotional responseto that it was a pretty
interesting experiment but sadlythe results were just kind of
mediocre there's actually notthat much difference so
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
there wasn't that much of a shift in the results
did you have any conclusion onwhy that could potentially have
been or
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
yeah well um Obviously, it's all got to be
taken with a pinch of salt whenyou're only doing six minutes
worth of music on a survey.
To be honest, I was going toroll it out to people and I just
didn't even send it to friendsor family or anyone because I
just did it on this survey swapsite and I just smashed out 50
responses on there.
So obviously, the result sizeand things like that play into
(33:01):
it.
But I guess the conclusion isthat chords alone don't define
the mood of a song.
Other stuff does just as much.
So you can't change the mood ofa song completely just by chords
when the lyrics are the same.
So, yeah, that's definitely aconclusion, which I guess
probably sounds kind of obviouswhen you think about it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:18):
Well, yes.
But I mean, I don't know,actually, because, you know,
people have preferences.
For example, nothing compares toyou.
People like Sinead Connor'sversion, Sinead O'Connor even.
But actually Prince's versionwas also there, but not as
popular.
Do you see what I mean?
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
yeah, of course.
It's all completely subjective,isn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Yeah, exactly.
So that is also down to, Iguess, I don't know, maybe it's
the time that music was releasedor something happening in
people's lives.
That's really interesting.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
it could.
And that's one thing that wastouched upon as well that I
couldn't, Basically, as a unistudent, I couldn't go into
depth enough to pick out thoseparts because I was looking at
other studies.
A lot of to get a really goodresponse, what you have to
factor in is like what moodpeople are in at the time and
stuff like that as well.
But I could engage that.
That would be interesting tosee.
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
That is truly fascinating.
So I usually say to guests whocome on the show is if you could
leave a question.
for the listeners?
And it could be one that youhave asked yourself or one that
you feel is important enough forpeople to ask themselves.
What question would that be?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:26):
How feels most natural to express yourself
creatively?
That's one to think about.
For some people, I'm surethere's an obvious answer like
music or art or anything.
But for anyone that doesn't havethat, I feel like everyone does
have that.
Some people just haven'tdiscovered it yet.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
That's a brilliant question.
A brilliant question.
I also come from the point thatI think everyone, I think we're
just born creative.
But again, social conditioninggets us to believe that you have
to be a certain way to be acreative, which kind of goes
back to the idea that youinitially said, if I'm a
musician, I'm likely to be brokeor you have to be this rock
(35:04):
star.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
exactly.
And it's like one or the other.
And actually, that's not reallyhow things are.
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
No, no, there's literally infinite ways of doing
it.
Yeah.
And to be honest, I said arts,but you can express yourself
creatively through anything,can't you?
Like Anthony's doing it throughbusiness right now.
And he is a really creative guy.
SPEAKER_00 (35:23):
Yes, he's an incredibly creative
entrepreneur.
Brilliant.
So where can people find outmore about you, your music,
about Near Misses and anythingelse?
That's related to Tygo Shear.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
So our podcasting brand, which is how we met
through that, is Daniel Larson.
And we have some greatpodcasting books up on Amazon
and soon to be in other places.
As for my music, Near Misses onall streaming platforms.
That's Near MRS, Misses.
And our Instagram is also atNear Misses Band.
So yeah, thank you very much forhaving me.
UNKNOWN (35:59):
Thank you.
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looking at music and morespecifically, one person's
connection to music and themusical world for him.
And so last week, we had Bhavyatalking very much about music
and singing, especially, and howshe comes up with this creative
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expression and how it all formstogether and comes to her.
But her day job was verydifferent.
You know, she's studying to bean aerospace engineer.
But as we're now moving on intothis episode, this episode is
about Tiger Shearer.
Now, he's an incredible energy.
He is one of my podcast mentors.
Let me start from that point.
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And that's how we connected, Tygand Anthony.
Now, Anthony, if we go back toJanuary, guys, we are doing a
little bit of time travelinghere.
So Anthony was one of my guestson the meditation episode, and
he's incredible.
And that's how I met Tyg andAnthony.
They come as a team, right?
(02:52):
But what was really, reallyincredible is having the
opportunity to speak to Tyke ona one-on-one.
And what becomes apparent is,and I want to kind of share with
you here, okay, I am in my early40s.
Now, 22, 23, 25 years ago, had Iactually spoken to someone who
(03:14):
was older than me in the contextof work and said to them that I
can bring them value, that wouldhave been absolutely dismissed.
I wouldn't be able to add anyvalue, would have been the
thinking.
Nowadays, things are verydifferent.
And I'm so grateful to be partof a time where people are
(03:35):
really, really understood forthe people that they are.
They're not dismissed, notnecessarily, not anymore, for
their age, or they're notdismissed for their background,
or they're dismissed for havinga certain faith, belief, or
being however they choose toshow up.
And I say that, and I say thatvery cautiously because I know
(03:57):
that this is still a challenge,okay?
Not everybody really understandsthat it's okay to be who you
are.
But before I digress, I want tokind of say that speaking to Tyg
was really eye-opening for mebecause he talks about so many
things that have happened tohim.
He talks about his musicalconnection, the universal
(04:17):
language of music, and he talksabout the law of attraction.
And what's really interesting ishow he started to learn the
guitar, what happened, whattriggered him to do that, and
what that has meant.
He's an absolutely exceptionalguitar player.
He tells us about his band andalso you'll get to hear more
(04:38):
from his band.
If you are not already followingthem on Spotify, please do that.
More details can be found at theend of the episode where Tighe
shares how to connect with himand hear the music.
Let me speak no more.
I'm going to leave it there.
So here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
I'm Tighe, Tighe O'Shea, and I'm currently in
Nottingham studying there.
I'm in my third year doing musicperformance, and I'm nearly
finished actually, which is kindof crazy to think, really.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
Three years, flown by.
SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Yeah, it really has flown by.
I started off doing maths aswell, so it's been a bit of a
ride.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Okay, what happened with the maths?
Is that still part of theequation?
SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
No, it's...
Ah, see what you did there.
It's really not part of theequation.
Maths was always the subjectthat I was best at in school.
I wouldn't necessarily say Ienjoyed it, but I...
I found satisfaction, I suppose.
I kind of liked how everythingwas...
logical and there's an answerthat you're trying to find
whereas i've really never beengood at writing and expressing
myself through writing i wasalways so badly explaining your
(05:40):
answer questions back in school
SPEAKER_00 (05:42):
do you have any examples of answers that you've
written or tried to write
SPEAKER_01 (05:47):
like but yeah anyway yeah so so math so it was kind
of the thing that i was good atand that i didn't mind the most
basically but i didn't reallyknow what i wanted to do when i
finished sixth form well I didbecause I'd always known at the
back of my mind that I do wantto play music.
But I kind of never reallythought that was a viable
(06:07):
option, really.
I kind of just thought it waslike, ah, you're probably just
going to be poor and the chancesof anything coming are pretty
small.
I kind of just always reallydismissed it and always thought
of it as a side project.
So I chose to do maths at uni.
But then I got there.
And I was obviously no Anthony.
I was living with Anthony.
And at the time, we were bothgetting into all this law of
(06:28):
attraction stuff, just believingin universal forces, all that
kind of thing.
And it really picked my hopesup, I suppose.
It really just made me thinkthat actually there's really
nothing stopping me fromsucceeding in music, apart from
myself, really.
It's not to do with chance atall.
So yeah, then I dropped out ofmaths about three weeks into
uni.
9am starts every day probably
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
didn't help either.
It wasn't working out.
SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
No.
No,
SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
it really wasn't.
(07:20):
conditioning wouldn't haveallowed any of that to come in
so what happened to you whatshowed up for you that allowed
that to happen
SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
yeah that's interesting you say that because
I do really see what you mean Ijust feel like the way just
society is and like the wayespecially like just going
through education and stuff aswell put through schools we're
really not meant to believe thatyou can do whatever you want or
have whatever you want or thatthere's basically anything more
than what meets the eye.
And I wouldn't necessarily referto myself as really, really
(07:50):
spiritual or religious oranything, but I do definitely
believe there's universalforces.
I suppose what did it for meis...
honestly probably Anthony'spersistency the guy was mad
about it and then he just hejust got me on it so he was
watching um yeah yeah but youcan imagine yeah he was watching
loads of videos on um reallysuccessful people about how far
(08:11):
they've come like Conor McGregorand his success story about him
visualizing himself on stage andloads of other stories like that
and basically he just wouldn'tshut up about it he just drilled
it into me until I had to sayyeah okay yeah it's real and
then we also had this thing andit started just before uni it
started in sixth form actuallywhere every time some i guess
law of attraction incidenthappened he would ring me and be
(08:32):
like oh this happened like hethought of this person and then
he hadn't seen him in a yearthen he saw him the next day and
just just things like that andthe same thing would happen to
me like i remember one time wheni rang him and i was like wow
it's really real so um when ihad this dream it was just
during sixth form his dreamabout um i was like i was in a
room and i had i'd missed themath exam so i was doing the
(08:54):
math exam like a day late withone other student in the class
out of 30 who had also missedthat exam but obviously it was
just a dream and I didn't knowwho had missed the exam because
I wasn't there and then the nextday I went into school and I
redid the exam and the same girlwas there like it was just me
and her in the room doing it andI was like wow like I don't
because I don't even talk to heranything so I had no idea she
was off so there was justmoments like that that we just
(09:16):
shared together I suppose so I'mwaffling but to answer your
question I suppose we both kindof fed into each other and
because I spend so much timearound them in first year of uni
so we lived together in a flatof eight and it was me him and
six other girls which we hadgreat fun with and we still
talked to like three of themregularly but obviously you can
imagine a lot of the time it wasjust me and him so I feel like
(09:37):
we just kind of fed into eachother just talking about that
kind of stuff
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
oh my god so that's interesting the dynamic of
because when my husband was atuni he was the only guy that was
living I I think he was with sixother women as well.
And he has a very interestingtake on what that experience
taught him.
What did that teach you?
It
SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
taught me that girls can be very petty.
Yeah, to be honest, it justtaught me a lot about human
emotion, I suppose.
I can't really think of anyspecific examples, but just a
lot of things that I wouldn'thave thought annoyed people that
I can actually now see how theydo.
It basically just made me a lotmore self-aware, I think.
But the number one takeaway wasdefinitely that girls can be so
(10:18):
petty it kind of this obviouslyI have six of them and by the
end that it kind of split intotwo distinct threes that just I
wouldn't really talk to eachother and me and Anthony were
definitely better friends withone side of the three but
obviously we was just still kindof the mediators and the whole
thing so yeah it is aninteresting experience
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
yeah I bet yeah I bet I mean there are always
stories right when you're howsharing with anyone I'm sure I
could go into loads but I won'tbecause that's not what we're
here to talk about so tell melet's come back to music because
you said you had this idea atsome stage that music probably
wasn't you know it was at theback of your mind
SPEAKER_01 (10:57):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
and then this whole law of attraction thing happened
and there was some resonance bythe way that's a really powerful
visualization of you having thisidea of the exam and then it
actually happened yeah
SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
right it's really interesting
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
yeah and I guess we call those some of those moments
I don't know like deja vu orI've been here before but But
actually, they're yourvibrational abilities telling
you that this is a possibilityand it's happening.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
Yeah, that's so cool.
But actually, I am getting a bittingly.
But just so you know, becauseI'm kind of like, oh, my God, it
happened.
I'm one of those people thatgets very excited about stuff
like this.
It's like, whoa, come back tomusic.
I'm going to stop talkingbecause that's what we're
talking about.
What happened?
What was that moment, thatrealization when you decided 9am
starts weren't good for you,maths wasn't cutting the
(11:48):
mustard, and it was musicbecause it's gone from the back
of your mind to the forefront ofevery day?
What happened there?
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
Yeah, just you saying that, going from the back
of my mind to the forefrontevery day.
Ah, that was such good times infirst year, just being able to
fully focus on that.
But what it was, was I don'tknow if there was a specific
moment, but it was just a veryconcentrated period of time,
like literally like probably oneweek, maybe 10 days or
something.
And me just thinking, hmm,actually, I'm not that good at
(12:18):
maths as I thought.
It's not going to be a breeze.
So then thinking...
This is so boring.
So then thinking 9am, whichobviously isn't a good reason
not to do something by the timeit was.
And obviously on the other sideof the spectrum, there's like
just me thinking about myself onbig stages, just playing music.
And it was another thing becausewhere I'm from is quite a small
place, Kings Lynn.
(12:38):
I'd never really jammed withpeople and just played
instruments with people much.
So the idea of coming to a cityand just being in a band and
stuff was just like, I just hadto do it.
And I was getting in a bandregardless of whether I switched
to music or not.
Yeah, I'm not sure if there wasa specific moment where I just
thought, okay, yeah, no, this isit.
I've just got to do it because Ican do it.
I'm waffling again, but I guessit was kind of a week to 10 day
(13:00):
period where I went fromthinking it's just only the
stuff of dreams to thinking thatactually it's literally
completely in my control.
So why would I not do it?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
I love that.
why would you not do it becausethat's such an important
question like it's one of thebiggest questions and you
mentioned that you were going tostart a band or join a band
regardless tell us more aboutthe band
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
yeah so I'm in a band called Near Misses spelt
MRS and we are yeah horriblename horrible
SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
name okay you have to tell us where the name came
from
SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
oh god I was hoping you wouldn't ask this you know
what the worst thing is
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
there's always a good story come on
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
Angela out a website, honestly.
Really?
Yeah, seriously.
It wasn't me personally thatpicked it.
And to be honest, there wasn'treally a huge fan of the name,
but I was outvoted and Ithought, I don't mind it.
So there is also another storythat we tell people, depending
on what mood we're in, that wewalk down the street and outside
a pub, there was like ablackboard outside a pub.
(14:02):
It said, what did it actuallysay?
It said, what do you call anearly...
I can't remember what it was,but it was something to do with
like a marriage that was aboutto happen, but didn't.
And it was near misses.
And then, and it was a truestory.
We did walk down the street andsee that one day, but it was
after the band generator thing.
So strictly speaking, it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (14:19):
Okay.
So it was like a sign.
It was kind of consolidating thefact that this is a good way to
go.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Yeah, I suppose so.
Yeah.
It's a nice, nice bit ofreassurance, but yeah, we met
right at the start of uni.
It was this, I guess, kind of aTinder for musicians really in
Nottingham.
It was like a, a meetup for theuni where you go write down what
you play and write down whatkind of music you like, write
down what you're looking for.
And then you put in this bigbook and then you can just
contact people that you see fitout your choice.
(14:44):
So I met my drummer and bassplayer there and we actually
jammed with another singer, butwe just didn't really connect to
them, so to speak.
Then a week, maybe two later,when I did switch to music on my
course, I met an amazing singerand another really great
guitarist.
And then I kind of merged thetwo groups together.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:00):
Check you out merging.
I like that.
Okay, we know what normal Tinderis for and you have a Tinder for
musicians as well, right?
So obviously the creativecapacity and the energy for
Tinder for musicians is quitedifferent.
So tell me, What was the energylike when the group first came
together?
Was there like an energy whereyou're still quite unsure or was
(15:21):
it like this eclectic kind ofburst of excitement?
Because that matters, right?
That energetic synergy betweeneveryone.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Yeah, I think probably a bit of both of those
feelings you just described.
But more than anything, well,definitely on mind, it was
definitely just that burst ofexcitement because as I was
saying before, I didn't reallyhave anyone to play music with
back at home.
And then on my first jam, I waslike, wow, this guy can actually
play drums.
I've never actually met someonethat can play drums really well.
So I was just like, this iscrazy.
(15:49):
So I was just loving it.
And then I met just an amazinglytalented singer as well, who's
just a mad songwriter too.
And we just had neversongwritten with anyone before.
And we sat in a room, just meand him really early on.
And I just played something onguitar.
And he was like, yeah, keepdoing that.
And then he just wrote lyricswithin like five minutes.
And I was baffled because lyricwriting is something I've always
really But some people, I've meta few people like this, some
(16:11):
people just do have the gift ofit where they can just bash out
really meaningful things withinlike five minutes.
So I was just absolutely in awe.
And I guess it all kind of cametogether around then we were
just all so excited aboutwriting music together and
actually being in a room withpeople to play music as basic as
it sounds.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
See, that is really, really interesting, because
obviously the playing theinstruments, that's one skill in
itself, playing them together toget them to work together and
sound seamless as if they'resupposed to be.
supposed to be there together isanother skill and then when you
add in the component of lyricsof meaningful melodies and
everything what is that processlike for you and for the group
(16:49):
because obviously now it'sprobably more natural
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
yeah for sure
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
but while you're learning together how was that
it
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
was interesting because In terms of musically,
we had three guitars because thesinger also plays guitar.
He's the best guitarist I'veever met.
And maybe he'd say the sameabout me, but we were just
basically so in order to havemet each other.
And then Will, the otherguitarist as well.
So we had three guitarists andone singer.
So making that work is kind ofunusual because normally it's
(17:17):
two guitarists in your typicallineup.
So that was definitely...
Back then, we didn't really havea clue what we're doing.
We thought it sounded goodmerging the three guitars, but
we didn't really have a clue.
And I think that's just happenedreally naturally over time in
terms of lyric writing until notthat long ago it's only really
been Ryan that's written thelyrics and it's done I guess
it's happened in a weird waybecause Ryan will just be
(17:38):
playing something and looping itand he'll just listen and then
he'll just like write somethingon his own within five minutes
and it's actually reallyfrustrating but he likes to do
this thing where he just leavesit till the last minute so
there's been times where likewe're having a gig we've got
this new song and he hasn'twritten a verse too and we don't
know what the verse lyrics areand he literally writes them
like in the taxi and then hejust sings them on stage and
we're like we're only hearingthem for the first time as well
(17:58):
So to be honest, it's been quiteexclusive, the lyric rhyme,
because we haven't been too muchinvolved in it.
Yeah, it's funny.
It's become definitely more of agroup thing of recent times, and
we've all been chipping in anddoing it together.
And in fact, yesterday inrehearsal, we were sitting there
for about probably about 45minutes when we didn't play
(18:20):
anything.
We were just trying to grouplyric rhyme, which is difficult
when you've got five of youtogether.
And we definitely found that thestarting place is always to...
define what the feeling needs tobe first and then let everything
come after but yeah it's verymuch a work in progress though
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
yeah but that's kind of part of the fun right because
it's a journey it's anexploration you know if
everything was easy and therewould just be boring
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
yeah of course
SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
you mentioned that you play the guitar
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
I do indeed
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
When did that start?
Tell us all about that.
SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Yeah, that's, guitar is honestly like my life,
really.
I don't know where I'd be if Ididn't play guitar.
Probably hate in my life, to behonest.
I picked it up when I was 10.
So I was in year six.
I just picked it up on a whim,really.
They were just offering guitarlessons.
And I think, to be honest, Ithink it was actually just like
peer pressure because thefriends that sat next to me in
that particular assembly atschool, just said, ah, I want to
(19:16):
do it.
I want to do it.
So I was like, yeah, I'll do ittoo.
But then I actually just reallystarted liking it really early
on.
I didn't have like a gamesconsole or anything, which at
the time I hated becauseeveryone else had one and I felt
so left out as a kid.
But actually I can't thank myparents enough for it because it
made me practice guitar for likesix to eight hours a day for
about two years.
So I just got really good at ayoung age.
(19:36):
It was some pretty fun times.
I was just doing nothing butplaying guitar as a little kid,
just as like a 10 to 12 yearold, really.
And my parents supported me onthe way, got me a guitar and
stuff.
So yeah, it was great times.
And then I've always kept it aslike my main thing, really, up
until now.
And I guess it's just evolvedover time, what I do with it and
stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
And so in terms of your degree, how much was your
guitar playing a focal part ofthat?
What happened?
What did you learn in yourdegree that you weren't aware of
before?
You know, what did it bring toyou as a musician at this stage
that you're at in your life?
SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
It helped me be a lot more creative with it.
The tuition that I got on myguitar through my degree.
up until probably the yearbefore I went to uni.
I didn't really know much.
It was all very technical basedwhile I was playing.
I was just learning songs,learning harder and harder
songs, learning pretty much anyguitar solo I wanted to because
I just sat there for like eighthours until I did it when I was
(20:33):
12.
But it was all very justcopying.
And I mean, I had great fundoing it and I do have great fun
doing it.
But in terms of actually makingmy own music through or putting
my own touch on things, that'sjust something I've learned a
lot about in the last few years.
It started before uni, actually,because it started when I
learned music theory at sixthform, which I didn't know before
that.
And that helped a lot.
(20:54):
And then at uni, One thing theydo in terms of the instrument is
help you express yourself morethrough it and get a better
feeling for your instrument.
That sounds like such waffle.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
No, no, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
Well, I can understand that.
And anyone that doesn't shouldjust, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
Yeah.
Are you musical at all?
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Oh, this is interesting.
No, I do sing a lot.
That's kind of my thing.
I've never really been intoinstruments because I can't
handle commitment.
Having an instrument and playingan instrument is a huge act of
commitment.
And I think...
You know, like you said, is yourrelationship with your guitar is
(21:37):
a commitment and it allows youto express yourself and learn in
that.
And that's one of the mostimportant relationships that
you've had.
Do you feel that way, though?
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Yeah.
No, I 100% feel that.
In fact, right now I'm reading abook that Anthony gave to me
called Mastery.
I don't know if you've heard ofit.
And it's just about, well, asyou can imagine, it is just
about mastery of any specificfield or thing.
And reading it, I'm not that farinto it yet, but it's just
making me so grateful that I'vealready had that thing that I've
channeled time and energy andstuff into for years already.
(22:09):
Because a lot of people don'tnecessarily find that until
they're older.
But I just found it at a reallyyoung age and it's just
genuinely the thing that I love.
So I'm just really lucky forthat.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
that's phenomenal I love that because so my daughter
my eldest daughter is verysimilar in the sense that she's
studying music theory that's herthing music production she
writes her own lyrics shecreates her own songs and she's
12 and this is her since she wasfive since she wrote a song that
won a school competition and itwas like became the school
(22:39):
anthem and she is just obsessedwith anything to do with music
and then she teaches herself howto play the piano so when I was
telling her that I'm having thisconversation with you she was
like I can't wait to hear itbecause To her, it's like
anything to do with music,anyone who expresses themselves
musically is in her world.
(23:01):
It's just, you know, it's Midas,basically.
SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
Yeah.
No, no, I get that.
It is such a wide form ofexpression.
It's not tied down to just Iplay guitar and that's it or
anything.
I definitely feel that even onother instruments as well.
Like I have a tinker on thepiano and stuff like that.
Yeah, I just do really feel it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
It's interesting you say that because once you
understand the theory, it's howyou then apply that to
instruments is actually, itbecomes quite possible quite
quickly if you're inclined orfocus your energy into it.
Did you find that?
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
Yeah, for sure.
My progress, not as a guitarist,but as a general musician,
absolutely skyrocketed when Idid A-level music in year 13.
And it was funny because I wasthe only one in the class that
didn't know music theory and Icouldn't read it at all.
And I felt so out of placebecause everyone there all
played classical instruments, soobviously you kind of have to
learn that as you go along.
But yeah, once I picked it up,it just opened so many doors for
(23:56):
what I could do.
with it to be honest in terms ofdifferent chords that you can
use in different placesbasically just really
understanding what note is thevalue and meaning of each note
in any context and to be honestI'm actually really lucky as
well because I have perfectpitch so that probably just made
it a lot quicker for me too onceI knew that I was able to just
start hearing songs and justbeing able to just like play
(24:18):
along with them so that that'sobviously very useful as well
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
That really is.
That is amazing.
And learning music theory itselfis actually immersing yourself
in a different language, almostin a different culture that
comes with it.
It's
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
absolutely a language, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah.
And what you say is reallyinteresting because in your
class, a lot of people werealready playing classical
instruments.
And that language by associationis generally connected to
classical instruments andclassical music.
But actually, the language ofmusic is so wide.
It's so vast, it's so big, andyet it's so diverse.
And your story with connectingto the guitar is an example of
(24:57):
that.
So, you know, share what youfeel.
SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Yeah, I do definitely find that.
The instruments are justbasically a vessel for it, I
suppose.
And then, obviously, if youfocus on a particular
instrument, that just basicallybecomes almost part of your
body.
Sorry, not part of your body,but in the same way that I can
just talk English now withouthaving to think about what I'm
saying before, and it just comesout.
It obviously becomes the samewhen you focus on an instrument
for so long.
(25:20):
It's not even just tied down toinstruments, really.
It goes a lot further than that.
When I was 12 in my learningguitar, heavy rock phase, I used
to think...
I used to have this reallyarrogant opinion that...
any musician that's famous butthat doesn't actually play an
instrument is not talented itsounds really bad I haven't had
it for years I was literally 12but I used to just not really
get you know rap and stuff likethat but actually now it is all
(25:43):
just so clever because it'sstill kind of about how you
deliver and the resonance ofwhat you're saying and the story
you're telling through lyricsand stuff like that so it goes
way beyond just instruments
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
yeah I love that because 12 year old me would
have some interesting ideas aswell
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
so yeah
SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
so are you a bit of Daniel Radcliffe then are you
rapping on the side or are youjust sticking to music so music
and writing you know instrumentsand writing lyrics
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
yeah yeah that alphabet rap doesn't it
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
yeah exactly
SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
yeah nah I've I've dabbled in it actually and again
it's a lot to do with Anthonyit's this hilarious we need to
get a podcast where we're bothon good it'll be funny because
the first time I did was when insixth form he just challenged me
to a rap battle he literallyjust rocked up and he was like a
rap battle tomorrow at lunchtimelike I'm gonna kill you and then
(26:34):
so that's I just I just wrotesome bars down and then we had a
rap battle and then it's justlike a bit of fun that we just
go into we in first year whenwe're living just me and him we
used to just like try freestylea lot and stuff but it's always
just more fun than anythingserious really but yeah I've
definitely gone into thatthere's a period of time where
all my friends listen to wasgrime and general hip-hop so I
really got into it for a whilethree or four years ago
SPEAKER_00 (26:55):
yeah I love the nature of your friendship with
Anthony because having someonewho is quite relentless and
SPEAKER_01 (27:03):
focused.
Guy's so focused.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
Yeah.
No, he's incredible.
Really incredible.
But also there's an element ofplayfulness that's allowing you
both to explore and push yourboundaries.
And that's such a powerful partof who we are as humans and such
an important part of ourcreative expression.
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
For everyone around you, you've mentioned like your
band and the connection.
you have there in terms of thecreative flow and how things
come together what other kind ofthings have happened or what
other relationships have showedup for you where you've gone
okay i'm learning something fromthis or this is pushing me or
this is allowing me to expressmyself in a different way
(27:43):
because you've touched on thatin the a-level music and then
going to university andswitching course and realizing
that the law of attraction isreal it's possible and living
with your flatmates andunderstanding different things
so what other things havehappened where you've gone you
know what this is allowing me togrow or this is really allowing
(28:04):
me to focus on what my creativeexpression is for now
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
yeah I think um Going back to the thing with
Anthony, I think he's reallybrought out a lot in me, to be
honest.
Maybe he would say the same forme.
But yeah, I feel like we haveboth helped each other to grow a
lot, especially since going tolive with each other.
And it all started with that,just both changing our beliefs
on, well, when you obviouslystart believing in things like
the law of attraction, itchanges your life completely.
(28:29):
It just changes your belief oneverything in life.
So we've grown in a lot of otherways from that.
Obviously, starting the podcastadventure is a huge thing that
we've grown together.
We started off just like twofriends, but now we're like you
know business co-owners andstuff and we're we're a pretty
cohesive team when we're whenwe're doing the podcast and he
you'd said he was really focusedbefore the guy's incredibly
focused he wakes up he's stoppeduni now and he just wakes up at
(28:52):
seven every day which in theadult life that's i'm sure
that's nothing but living in ahouse with all your friends you
know doing something differentevery night waking up at seven
every single day is a seriouscommitment just watching him do
that and just be so focused andcommitted to well just
everything podcasting i learn alot from that as well.
And we do definitely growtogether.
So to kind of bring it back tothe question, I would say that's
(29:16):
taught me a lot about commitmentand the power of focusing on one
thing.
And when I think about that, Ihave seen that in my life before
as well.
Like I said before, for two,maybe three years, I did nothing
but play guitar and I just gotgood at it very quickly for that
young age.
So I've definitely learned thatjust the importance of focusing
on one thing and the mad thingsyou can do when you just focus
(29:36):
on one thing.
That's something that Anthonyhas definitely brought out in
me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah.
But you keep saying you're goodat the guitar, but you're not.
You're absolutely phenomenal.
You are incredible.
And I'm hoping, so tell us aboutwhat's happening in terms of the
band, in terms of your guitar,you know, in terms of you
playing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
So what's happening in the moment is, well, with the
band, we've just got back torehearsing together.
So in terms of playing, it'sjust to be playing with people
in the same room again issomething that I've really,
really, really missed overlockdown.
It's It's so therapeutic, to behonest.
So there's that.
And currently we're just writinga lot of music at a faster rate
(30:16):
than we did before, which isgreat.
So it's just writing,developing, trying to develop
our sound at the moment.
Also preparing to launch an EPactually next month, which is
exciting.
It's our first EP.
So yeah, that's good.
And as you can imagine with howthings are now, like social
media algorithms, you just haveto keep rolling with the times.
And it's the same on Spotify.
You just have to keep puttingout singles like every other
(30:37):
month or so.
So we're just trying to adaptour songwriting so that we can
actually meet those needsbasically just record and put
music out maximum every twomonths really ideally even more
frequent than that in terms ofguitar I am trying to improve my
I guess how I kind of expressmyself creatively on it I'm
trying to improve my songwritingon it I'm also trying to improve
(30:58):
my technical ability on it Iwant to be able to play faster
like on the electric guitar andit's So hard trying to do it
because I mean to do half anhour's practice every day, but
God, life is so busy and I findit hard.
I'm struggling to match it atthe moment.
But yeah, I'm trying to improvetechnically on guitar.
I'm trying to improve my ownsongwriting.
We're also trying to improve ourgroup songwriting.
(31:20):
And to be honest, I really wantto, something I would like to do
when I've got more time is tojust start putting videos of me
playing guitar on TikTok everyday or something like that.
But I just don't have the timefor it now, which is sad because
it's obviously my number onepassion, but that's just number
one priority is It gets in theway, like uni, of course.
But that's like a, hopefully anear future plan.
I'd like to see that in the nearfuture.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
That sounds amazing.
Yes, totally.
Get those videos on TikTok.
That will be amazing.
I have one last question.
I want to say last question.
I can't be too sure.
In terms of your dissertation,and I know I've quizzed you
about this before, what has beenthe focus of your dissertation?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
So my dissertation was the impact of variations in
harmonic treatment on alistener's emotional response to
music.
What that means is basicallytake a song, take the chords
that go underneath it, replacethose chords with a different
set of chords, but keepeverything else exactly the
same.
So the vocal line, the lyrics,the melody, the drums, literally
(32:20):
everything just except thechords.
how do people react differentlyto that what is the difference
in people's emotional responseto that it was a pretty
interesting experiment but sadlythe results were just kind of
mediocre there's actually notthat much difference so
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
there wasn't that much of a shift in the results
did you have any conclusion onwhy that could potentially have
been or
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
yeah well um Obviously, it's all got to be
taken with a pinch of salt whenyou're only doing six minutes
worth of music on a survey.
To be honest, I was going toroll it out to people and I just
didn't even send it to friendsor family or anyone because I
just did it on this survey swapsite and I just smashed out 50
responses on there.
So obviously, the result sizeand things like that play into
(33:01):
it.
But I guess the conclusion isthat chords alone don't define
the mood of a song.
Other stuff does just as much.
So you can't change the mood ofa song completely just by chords
when the lyrics are the same.
So, yeah, that's definitely aconclusion, which I guess
probably sounds kind of obviouswhen you think about it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:18):
Well, yes.
But I mean, I don't know,actually, because, you know,
people have preferences.
For example, nothing compares toyou.
People like Sinead Connor'sversion, Sinead O'Connor even.
But actually Prince's versionwas also there, but not as
popular.
Do you see what I mean?
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
yeah, of course.
It's all completely subjective,isn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Yeah, exactly.
So that is also down to, Iguess, I don't know, maybe it's
the time that music was releasedor something happening in
people's lives.
That's really interesting.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
it could.
And that's one thing that wastouched upon as well that I
couldn't, Basically, as a unistudent, I couldn't go into
depth enough to pick out thoseparts because I was looking at
other studies.
A lot of to get a really goodresponse, what you have to
factor in is like what moodpeople are in at the time and
stuff like that as well.
But I could engage that.
That would be interesting tosee.
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
That is truly fascinating.
So I usually say to guests whocome on the show is if you could
leave a question.
for the listeners?
And it could be one that youhave asked yourself or one that
you feel is important enough forpeople to ask themselves.
What question would that be?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:26):
How feels most natural to express yourself
creatively?
That's one to think about.
For some people, I'm surethere's an obvious answer like
music or art or anything.
But for anyone that doesn't havethat, I feel like everyone does
have that.
Some people just haven'tdiscovered it yet.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
That's a brilliant question.
A brilliant question.
I also come from the point thatI think everyone, I think we're
just born creative.
But again, social conditioninggets us to believe that you have
to be a certain way to be acreative, which kind of goes
back to the idea that youinitially said, if I'm a
musician, I'm likely to be brokeor you have to be this rock
(35:04):
star.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
exactly.
And it's like one or the other.
And actually, that's not reallyhow things are.
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
No, no, there's literally infinite ways of doing
it.
Yeah.
And to be honest, I said arts,but you can express yourself
creatively through anything,can't you?
Like Anthony's doing it throughbusiness right now.
And he is a really creative guy.
SPEAKER_00 (35:23):
Yes, he's an incredibly creative
entrepreneur.
Brilliant.
So where can people find outmore about you, your music,
about Near Misses and anythingelse?
That's related to Tygo Shear.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
So our podcasting brand, which is how we met
through that, is Daniel Larson.
And we have some greatpodcasting books up on Amazon
and soon to be in other places.
As for my music, Near Misses onall streaming platforms.
That's Near MRS, Misses.
And our Instagram is also atNear Misses Band.
So yeah, thank you very much forhaving me.
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