Smokey Standby - Leaving Christianity

Smokey Standby - Leaving Christianity

Episode Transcript

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He walks in quiet eyes like fire.
Where's conviction? Like a Sunday choir got a Bible
beating under his coat and a holy war ready in his throne.

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Not here for the feel good show or the watered down sermon with
a boat. He'll say it straight, even if
it burns his real repenting stone.
Take turns. He ain't soft, but he's not

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cruel, just allergic to plastic.Crazy rules.
If you want truth, he'll speak it plain, and if you don't,
he'll walk away walking right. He don't need fame, he don't
need hype. Truth in his Long's word in his

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face Never took Jesus in vain. What he say slow.
The ghost preaches life, but he knows the 'cause you can't find
grace with lazy sin. Not on the road that he walks
in. He's got story, sure, banana

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sail, and he's wrestled long enough with hell.
He's not looking for applause orclaspers, he's looking for souls
that don't collapse. He'll sit with the moth, call

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out the faith. He'll pray for wolves but still
guard the gate. Got hands that bliss and hands
that fight depending on what's wrong or right.
He won't be to please a crowd. Won't trade that cross for

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something loud. He knows the 'cause he knows the
pain, but he knows who breaks the chain.
He Smokey saves walking right? Where's the scars but not the
pride. Says the word cuts deep for a
reason and grace ain't grace if you're still scheming.

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Smoky same soft and flame. He ain't here to play the game.
You can't fake fake just cause it's nice.
Not with the blood of Jesus Christ.
He's seen preachers preach without a spine, seen folks

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dance while souls flat line. But Smokey don't sing for gold
or gain. He sings like judgements.
Still on the train, Smokey say, walking right with a whisper

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that shames the night. Truth ain't cruel when it's born
in love, But it don't come soft,It don't come shoved smoke it
saved, tried and true. He don't save, but upon you
through grace is free air, but not cheap.
You sow in truth or you sow in sleep.

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If you ever meet him, don't mistake the quiet for tame.
He's got fire and it no quiet for change.
Me. Hello.

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Hello, everyone. Good morning.
Good evening. Wherever you're coming from,
Smokey St. here for another standby mode here.
Got a good number of people tuning in for this one.
Get some attention. What do we think, right?
Is it just a troll? Is it just a lie?

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Is it just a gimmick? Is it a skit?
What is it? Well, I guess throughout this
we're going to find out, aren't we?
If you guys will bear with the time to sift through it, right?
After all, what happens when youask someone like Jordan Peterson
whether or not he believes there's a God?

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Maybe it's more complex than most of you.
You can't even fucking wrap yourheads around.
You know, there's, you know, thething I've mentioned a few times
to people? You know, there's problems with
defeating all aspects of the plausible deniability of

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Christianity. I have come across some in my
own walk being a somewhat deep thinker, you know, I've come
across things that even at periods of time in my life I've
struggled with. And you know, I've, I've found
it interesting. I have so many of these really
worthless, really useless, really ineffective subhuman

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cockroach people that are roaming around pointing their
little rat fingers at everyone and saying you're at fault,
you're at fault, you're not doing enough, you should do
this, you should run it this way, you should set it up this
way, blah blah blah blah blah. You know, The funny thing that
just about all of them seem to have in common is that they're
basically just entirely fucking worthless.

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Just absolutely ineffective, lazy, don't really accomplish
anything for themselves, for those immediately around them,
and certainly not for any grander, grander cause or
defense of faith or anything like that.
But they got all the opinions inthe world of the people that are
effective, that are actually doing something to try and push

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for some higher moral prerogative.
Good morning. I'm fro would relate to this as
it's come up in conversations a couple times.
I think what I'm going to do, because this of course is also

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standby mode, I'm going to pull up basically the interaction
didn't happen last night, but the night before, which kind of
put me in a certain space, I guess.
And you know, I went to golfing yesterday.
It was a beautiful day. It was high 80s, warm, but a

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cool breeze. And there was a gentleman there
who was a new golfer, very new, hadn't really played more than
1/2 a dozen times, but really had the etch discovered this in
his early 30s and now just really, really loves being on
the course and playing. But, well, you know, hasn't

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really had anyone to teach him, you know, other than a few
YouTube videos. And his previous interaction was
at a different golf course. And when he got there at the tee
box, he was put as a single withanother single.
And this gentleman, the new guy,the newbie, you know, ask this,

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this other guy that he was put up with, you know, like, hey,
you know, do you want me to I'm kind of new.
Do you want me to just golf on my own, you know, type thing?
I don't want to drag you down or, you know, slow you down or
anything like that. You know, do you want to go
ahead of me? It was a very nice guy.
And so, well, the older gentleman said, we'll go ahead
and take your first shot and we'll see.
And so the newbie went and took his first shot and it was

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terrible. And which of course, I mean,
first shot of the day, I mean, come on.
I mean, you know, a good chance is probably going to be
terrible. You haven't done any warming up
or, you know, you haven't gone to the range first or something.
Probably the first shot of the day, you know, count that ball
lost, forget about it. But takes the first shot and
then apparently tells this newbie guy, hey, I don't want,
you know, you know, no, it's good.

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I'm going to go ahead of you. Go ahead and play on your own.
I don't even want to, you know, work with the guy or just enjoy
the day or something out there to take it all, you know,
seriously like that. Like he's got some sort of
schedule to keep, you know, playing golf in the middle in
the morning on a weekday, you know, But I didn't have that
approach to him. He did basically the same thing

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to me. He approached me, the T boxer,
both singles got there around the same time and asked
essentially the same question. And I gave him the same
challenge. I said go ahead, you know, take
your first shot and see how it goes, you know, and he hit it,
you know, wasn't great form is just awful.
It looked like he was swinging abaseball bat.
In fact, I asked him if he had played baseball before.

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He said yes. So I said you're gonna have to
reprogram your brain. You can't be hitting a golf ball
like a baseball. You can't be having a stance
like that. You can't be shifting your
weight so much. You know, you're gonna lose all
your accuracy. So I didn't just send him on his
way or say no, I'll move ahead. You're gonna slow me down.
No, I I said, you know what? We're just gonna play together,

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and I'm gonna give you some pointers and I'm gonna, you
know, tell you what I know, you know, And as a golfer for the
better part of over 20 years, I know there's things I'll learn
that kind of work. And then I find something
better. And I let the old thing go, and
I adopt this new thing and adjust a little bit, and I
eventually kind of learn what works for me.
So each one of these people has some sort of, you know, lesson

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to impart to you, some which will work, some which
necessarily won't. Depends about height, weight,
you know, swing strength, all that stuff.
But we had a really, really niceafternoon, 3 to 4 hours just
playing golf and enjoying the weather outside.
And you know, I thought to myself, I said, you know, I

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wonder, I wonder if I should mention Christ the man.
I didn't know what his religiousposition was and I certainly
didn't ask. I thought to myself, so you
know, should I share Christ withthis man?
Should I talk to him about Christianity, You know, the type
of thing that I do so regularly in so many venues here and in

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the outside world or, you know, seeing someone in distress or,
you know, saying God bless them or asking them if they need help
or, you know this, you know, whatever happens to happen in my
universe or in my surrounds, looking for the opportunity to
apply Christian virtue and evangelism.
But I didn't actually feel that pressure yesterday.

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And in fact, I end up having a thought.
And I thought to myself, you know what?
I could mention Jesus to him. I could turn, you know, what is
just a day of golf and hanging out and giving him pointers and
stuff and turn it into some sortof, you know, attempt to verify
where he's at in terms of his faith or his belief and attempt
to be the one to evangelize and save his soul.

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And I thought about myself, well, maybe I should mention
Jesus. And then I stopped myself.
I said no, actually, I'd rather have a nice day.
That's where my thought went, which I mentioned Jesus, no, I'd
rather have a nice day. You know, I, I find myself

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strained sometimes on the topic.Honestly, I even need a break.
I need a break from it. And aside from that, since all
this spider bullshit happened and all these immoral,
unrighteous judges emerge themselves in the environment to

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point their finger everywhere except exactly where the fuck it
belonged, I have been strained even further.
Now they're all telling me that,you know, in some sort of
roundabout way, it's, you know, Ryan's fault, it's my fault.
It's Dave's fault. It's, you know, it could be
Spider's fault. They don't want, they don't want

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to talk about how Spider's faultthat much.
You know, Brandon Irish, let's go around and talk about it's,
you know, everyone else's fault.Oh, oh, fucking Rye and all of
this. Well, I'm glad Ryan did what he
did and I'm glad Spider's in jail because frankly, someone
like that, he belongs there. And I've invited many of you to

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pitch your case and try and defend it.
The ones that have showed up have just done the absolute most
piss poor job of taking any position.
I mean, you can tell I, I'm amazed that you guys can't tell
that when you come in and are trying to pass around this blame
or defend Spider, you know, getting finally what's coming to
him after many, many, many offenses never getting answered

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for. Had the cops called them on on
them or anything and then finally there's one offense that
he does where he fucked around just a little too much and they
finally found out. What do you want to do?
It's everyone else's fault and fuck everyone for making this
happen or anyone play a part in it.
You've exasperated me. Well if you guys want to point
your fingers all over the place for the spider bullshit then you

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can all point your fingers at each other.
For me, being done with Christianity, I don't want
anything to do with any type of connective label or title or
anything with you fucking cunts.I don't want it, I reject it.

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It is detestable to me. It leaves a bad taste in my
mouth. Now I know what Christian means,
at least in some sort of historical context.
But the thing about words is they don't always keep their
meaning, you know, words of all the time.

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They take on more definitions orwider definitions or more narrow
definitions. And and the the term of
Christian has gotten so broad that I don't want to be
associated with it anymore. I will argue for what makes

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sense is what it's going to be. I want nothing to do with you
fucking people that carry this label in terms of any type of
synergy of label with you. I'll still talk to you.
I'll still be friendly. I don't haven't interested in
being cruel or anything like that or treacherous.

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That's not my that's not my intent.
That's not my heart. But fuck the label.
I don't want any internal association with the ones that
carry that label. I'm done with it.
I'm sick of you. I'm sick of channel after

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channel after channel of irreverent, uneducated,
unlearned, screaming toddlers just trying to validate their
own flavor of bullshit. I'm exhausted by it, truthfully

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and frankly. Look at the state of the
community, of course. More debates.
Of course I love you. You know that we've been I've
been friends for a long time, buddy.
Of course, absolutely. Good to see you.
By the way. More debates.
It's been a while. Thank you for popping in.
So I'm not going to defend Christianity anymore.

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And you know, for all these fucking people out there where
you've all been like, Oh, well, you know, Smokey sucks or he's
boring or he's not doing a good job or he misses that or, or
yeah, or calling me Talmud or something.
Never once mentioned or taught out of the Talmud.
Not once in my entire YouTube career.
But they're going to call me a Talmud, baby.
I don't know what the fuck they think that's about or how they

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think that's verified. But not one of those cockroaches
where we'll come in the room andactually argue for it and defend
it. You think?
You think maybe I'm atheist to all your fucking gods?

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Maybe. Maybe I'm atheist to all gods
except the God that I believe inthat is supported throughout
Christian history. Or maybe I don't even believe in
that God anymore. Maybe I've rethunk some of those

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really powerful and damaging atheistic arguments that I used
to tread around with. You know, maybe I rethought some
of these arguments and views forthe plausible deniability of
Christianity and decided to latch back on to them.

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I took me a hot minute to defeatthem.
Things that I haven't really even shared on these channels,
plus my defeaters, be found insufficient to the problems
that are presented and potentially shipwreck someone's
faith. But why would I really actually
give a fuck about that? Now?

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I don't think most of you are inthe faith anyway.
I don't really give a shit, you know what you decide to believe,
or what you think is right, or what epistemology you've done to
do it. You all want to be fucking
islands, you know, You all want to be out here in this space
claiming you got it right betterthan others.
I mean, you want to send people to hell over it and you want to,

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you know, create these weird, nonsensical, fringe heretical
standards for everyone to abide by.
You want to ignore arguments? You want to ignore evidence?
You want to ignore history? You want to ignore scholarship?
You want to ignore the brothers in Christ?
What is this? Where is the Church of Christ?
Can anyone tell me where the fuck is it?
Do you see it? Or is it?

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I don't see it. You know what, I should play for
you. I should just play for you.
Some of the stuff that happened the other night, no one was
really watching it. So I'm a Free Grace channel.
I don't think many people were watching.
It was late at night. I get it, You know, most people
were sleeping. It's not that the channel isn't

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well known, but I don't know what the fuck I believe now at
this point, you know, if all of you can do it so much better and
you got all this criticism for me, why don't you fucking do it
then? Why don't I give you all these
arguments and all these perceptions and observations you
know that I had to struggle withthat are big stumbling blocks.
Let's see how you fucking handleit.

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Who thinks they could debate or take on atheist Smokey?
You don't want me as part of it,right?
Don't all you fucking Christianswant to, you know, you suppose
that followers of Christ don't you want to go around the
Internet and try to deplatform me, keep me from having debates,
keep people from hosting me on their channels, keep me from
talking? And that you serve Christ, but

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you want to keep me silent? Someone to rise up and want to
defend the faith and defend the virtues of Christianity and
defend the world? What virtue am I defending?
What fucking virtue do you fucking people show that I can
point to and say, Yep, look at this worldview, look at what it
does? This is worth defending.
No, you're all a fucking mess and you don't like it.

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You can fuck off. Unsubscribe, get the fuck out of
here. I don't care.
You know, none of you have any actual love or concern or
consideration over this anyway. None of you do.
None of you give a shit. All of you.
You know, you fucking Christians, you know, really,
you're just the same as the atheists really are.
You did. You don't actually want to be
virtuous, you just want to look like you are.

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You don't give a fuck about what's right or wrong.
You don't. You just.
You just want other people to look at you and think you're
virtuous and you say the craziest dumb shit all the time
and you won't listen to anyone. You get to someone who's studied
10 times as you since before youwere born and you'll still in

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your pride and arrogance like the Holy Spirit's just told you
better when it makes no sense. And even when it's challenged,
even when it's put in front of you, still makes no sense.
Where is the Holy Spirit? Can any of you demonstrate them?
You know, I heard from Charlie Michaels and I'm supposed to, I
don't know, speak in tongues or have some sort of spiritual
bastism experience where I I do some sort of sign or wonder in

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order to think I'm saved, something like that.
Well, where is Charlie's Holy Spirit to inspire him to not be
a loud clown that keeps people from talking and can't possibly
engage like an adult? How is Charlie, Michael's Holy
Spirit so powerful and manifesting and made him one of

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the most ineffective communicators in the entire
community? Even that man who I respect who
taught me things, Where is that Holy Spirit?
Is it in any of you? Is it in Isaac who contradicts
himself every other time? Is it with Bob who makes fun of

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everyone and tries to stir the shit pot non-stop?
Is it with the pod team who I have just, you know, decided to
forgive and make peace with after fucking years of calling
me the most heinous shit possible?
Willing to let it go? Willing to apologize to Bill?

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Willing to let that go? Willing to deal with things with
Andy, Willing to let that go? Do I ever get credit for any of
this shit? No, no, I'm just staying as a
spiteful, hateful asshole by thevery people that claim to have
the Holy Spirit and are inspiredby them.
Really, where can any of demonstrate it?
Can any of you be consistent or reasonable with each other to

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demonstrate any semblance a spiritual presence in this whole
fucking community? Can you?
You know I stopped arguing with the atheist when I found out
what a mess our house was. You know that's why I started,
right? It's about a year.
I was just debating nothing but atheists.

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That's all I did. The link is in the side chat by
the way. I'll post up.
I'm not letting anyone in this second.
I'm going to talk for a bit and you don't like it again, get the
fuck out. I'm going to talk for a bit.
You don't want to listen. You don't need to be here.
It's not for you then. So no, I am done with

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Christianity. I don't know about being done
with a Christian God. Yeah, I'm actually searching
that out right now. I know I'm atheist.
All your fucking gods. I know that much.
I don't believe in your gods. I'm going to search this out
myself. Why don't you guys pray?
Let's see if one of your gods will answer about this since all

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of you think you can do it. You know so much better than me
where you just want to try and tear me down and keep me from
being able to communicate or getdebates.
Well then, then you do it right.Maybe I just become one of the
most potently anti Christian atheists any of you fucks I've
ever seen in your whole fucking life.

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Deconstruction zone times 10. Maybe I just do that.
Maybe I give you all those arguments that I myself
struggled with and watch all youretards flail around in the wind
trying to solve it. How about that?
No, you can do it better, right?If I just start adopting this

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and start dragging all the shit back up again, you going to be
able to think about it and reconcile it the way that I did.
You want to find out where is the Christian God, if he exists?
Is this really, this is really the environment, the supposed,
you know, work of the Holy Spirit?

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This, all this was intended to happen.
All of this is within the realm of sovereignty.
Any big bold Christian apologistout there willing to explain
that to me? Where are all of you, right?

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Where are the Shamoonians and the Albrechts and the Berean
apologetics and the Protestants and the Lutherans and the
Mormons and the job as well? Where are they to give a shit?
Where are any of you? None of you care, really.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, none of you do care.
You just want people to think you're virtuous and you can

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pretend to care a little bit butlet's be real, you don't care
and why would I want to help or be on your side when all you
fucks want to do is constantly just throw me to the fucking
wolves? Why would I want anything to do
with you God damn people? Why would I want anything to do

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with your God? I got so many knives sticking
out of my back, I might as well be a fucking porcupine.
I mean, it's ridiculous. Years and years and years of
this shit and always feeling that inclination like, well, you
got to forgive. You got to forgive, You got to
let go. And it just takes a chip out of

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you every single time. Bible don't tell you about that,
does it? Yeah.
It takes a chip out of you everysingle time.
And then eventually you got chipped down so far there's just
really not a lot left. And it's you fucking Christians
that can now start pointing yourfingers.
Oh, you love to point fingers, don't you?
Well, start pointing fingers at yourself.

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Who's who's to blame for Smokey saying fuck Christianity?
Now you can start pointing your fingers at each other over this.
Which one of you pressed the right buttons?
Is it all the young earth peoplemaking their weird nonsensical

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anti science horseshit salvific and condemning people to hell
for not believing it? Is it the shitty pastors that I
had growing up that taught me dumb garbage?
Is it the treacherous rodents inthis environment who constantly
stab people in the back and parade around like they're

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righteous? The traitors, the liars, the
deviants, the deniers of Christ and the gospel and, well, fuck
it, right? What is even the point?
Where is this Jesus in this space?
Where is he? Maybe he's in Isaac, because
apparently all three are in Isaac, Godfather and Holy

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Spirit. No Bible verse for that.
That's just some made-up dumb bullshit.
But he's got all three of them in there.
There's no morals in the Bible, Isaac said it.
Holy Spirit led him to say it must be true.
You want to see the part the other day before I should pull

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it up, right? Why not?
You guys want to see Isaac say hey, I just finally felt the
Holy Spirit in the last couple days because I've accepted free
grace. Isaac proclaims.
OK, well then what fucking spirit would you judge in me by
a week ago if you only just got the Holy Spirit, Isaac, you

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fucking idiot. And yeah you are a fucking idiot
and you are a liar and you just make whatever shit up in your
head. You just let things fall out of
your fucking retard mouth and then you act like it's inspired.
Fuck Isaacs. Jesus fuck that guy.

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That guy's a fucking idiot and he gave this dumb rodent enough
arrogance to think that his dumbshit is reasonable and valid.
Dude, you do realize you're a Protestant too?
Unless you belong to Orthodox oryou belong to Catholicism,

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you're inside Protestantism. We all fucking are, except for
me. No, no, no, I'm not going to be
with you fucks anymore. No I'm not.
No, I don't want to share a label with you.
I don't want to defend your God.I don't even know if I want to

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defend my God. I'm sick of you fucking people,
really. And it never stops.
You will just needle away with bullshit and then run away
showing what you're you serve a coward.
God, I can't fill anyone with boldness to back up the dumb
shit they say. Oh, this would make you happy.

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Wouldn't. Wouldn't that make Bob happy?
Thicky happy, Bill happy. Thank God Smokey is leaving
Christianity, right? Wouldn't that be basically the
position that they would take? Yeah.
I don't want anything to do withyour ideology, with your faith.

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No, not anymore, no. And really, this was a great eye
opening experience for me. Really, all of this shit within
the last week, I'd really had tomake me question what, how is it
that I could? And this does bring me back to
the beginning of my channel because I did argue with

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atheists. You know why I stopped?
Because our house was such a mess.
That's really why I stopped. I wanted to try and clean up our
own house and I just watch more people come in and make it mess
here and mess here. Why would I want to bring
anyone? Why would I want to convince
anyone to come over to this fucking horseshit over here?
Why what? What benefit would there be for

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me to go and argue with the atheists and try and get them to
come over here? What?
What am I bringing them to? A bunch of backstabbing,
immoral, retarded hypocrites? That's come on over, guys.
It's miserable and people are awful, but come on over.

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Yeah, I stand for Christian ethics, and I say that people
that live by Christian ethics definitely are better and
happier, but come on over to theside where no one practices the
shit we're supposed to do Fucking use is that I don't know

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what I want to argue. I don't know what I want to talk
about. Amen to that.
Thank you, Eastgate. Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more. Look at them just not making
sense, contradicting themselves and then claiming to speak of
the Spirit of God saying ridiculous things.

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But you know what, this is the type.
Let me let me just tell you guysthis, this, this is the kind of
person, this is the kind of person that I, I am supposed to,
According to him, submit to. Let me look here for a second.

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Isaac believes that he has the Holy Spirit more potent than
just about any anyone that I've seen in the community.
He does not have the ability to even listen to how perverse and
disgusting and immoral he is. And also, he just really

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honestly has no fucking clue what he's even talking about
most of the time. Promise.
How? OK, that's not it.
No, I just have to read it to you.
This is actually worth worth going back for if I can find it.

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I hate Discord sometimes. OK, yeah.
Here's Isaac. Here's Isaac, ladies and
gentlemen. And I quote.
I quote, OK, this is what he putin discord responding to
something that the dude says. He says, and this is the man
we're all supposed to listen to and take our theology from who
is truly inspired by the Holy Spirit.

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He says he's the one that is supposed to guide all of us to
the truth. And this is what he says.
The Bible says that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
but a Prince and policies of high places.

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Let me read it again. The Bible says that we do not
wrestle against flesh and blood,but a Prince and policies of
higher places. Fuck me, right?

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And you can't be honest with Isaac, you know, good for you
guys. By the way, I guess being nice
with Isaac, that's really all heneeded to come on over to Free
Grace. And he's had some epiphany where
he's just now about the Holy Spirit, but didn't have it
before this, mind you, but was judging me by the thing he
didn't have before the last couple of days where he adopted

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Free Grace. OK, Is this the Holy Spirit?
Who here is going to defend? I dare anyone.
Is anyone going to defend Isaac over the last week, speaking in
only the Holy Spirit and righteousness?
Anyone. I dare anyone, anyone at all,

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any one person that would dare come in here or in any way try
to defend Isaac over the last week.
It's not about that buckle. It's not about, I mean, Isaac.

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Isaac is a tiny little flea standing on top of the final
straw that broke the camel's back.
I I'm disgusted with the title. Words don't word, definitions of
words change. And right now Christian means
whoever the hell identifies thatit as it.
And I just won't. I'm just not going to have it.

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I'm just not going to have that apply to me anymore and I'm not
going to argue to try and bring people onto your side.
Our side. Well, we don't have an our side.
There is no our side anymore. There's your side.
You, you guys over there. You you do you think you can do
it better than me? Then get out of it.
OK, You got all you got all the fucking opinions in the world.
You want to do everything you can to keep me from debating and

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de platforming me and keeping mesilent.
OK, well then you do it And, andhow about you deal with some of
the extra really, really rough anti theist, anti Christian
arguments that I can add to the mix, things that I've considered
for the better part of 30 years.And let's see how you guys
handle it right. You can all do it better than
me. No respect for my talents or

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what I'm doing at all anyway. Where is that work of the Holy
Spirit to encourage and strengthen in the body of Christ
with fellow believers? You're all just a bunch of
backstabbing sycophantic pieces of shit, and I don't need to
carry a label with you. I don't want it, I don't want
it. Nothing to do with it.

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A label that's going to accept all this horseshit?
No, I'll pass. I at least can maintain some
level of virtue and some of this, even if the rest of you
can't. So I don't know which of you is
going to rise up to try and get me back on track and save my

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soul. You know, when praise went to
Unitarianism that time many, many years ago, remember like
the first day and everyone wanted to show up and argue with
them and try to get them back ontrack.
And Beckel and Jill and Standingfor Truth and everyone wanted to
show up and argue with them kindof the first day, maybe the
first couple days. And then everyone wrote them

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off. So it's just praise, you know,
let it go. Whatever you guys gave up, all
of you gave up. Essentially.
I was the only one that didn't. And I kept fighting because I
didn't want praise to be lost toa potentially bad spiritually
bankrupting doctrine. I kept at it and granted there

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was support for me, but you guysjust let me take it as the
brunt. You put me out there.
You used me as the tip of the spear and I took on praise for
it and praise God. Praise came back to
Trinitarianism and it stayed there ever since.
I think maybe there was 1 hiccupfor a minute, but nonetheless he
stayed consistent on that. Has been there ever since.

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You all were willing to put a minimal amount of effort.
I went after praise as if he wasdrowning out in the middle of
the ocean and I jumped off the boat and just swam after him.
Regardless of any things, I didn't want praise to be lost.

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After about another year or so, praise and I being good, Him
certainly even being conditionalist with me, I
remember us sitting in Discord and even making fun of standing
for truths. You know, his PowerPoint, his
overly used PowerPoint that he does.
And I remember stuff like that. And then and then it was back
and forth, I guess. Well, even during that year it

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was kind of back and forth, you know, years of calling me
heinous things then too on top of that.
And I let it go and I won't forgive it.
I only bring it up now is a point in the matter that it's
all just this is all just part of it.
You know, I don't want your God,your your God, all of you out

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there who you serve. I I don't want them.
I'm sick of it. I am I'm sick of it.
I'm exhausted. The just prolific, a lack of
compassing to even figure out the basics of Christian virtue,
vice ethics, and what is moral and not moral.

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No, I got fucking people like Isaac over here coming in
claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit, saying there's no morals
in the Bible. That's what I get.
That's what I get for That's what I get in Christianity,
that's what I get. What am I supposed to do?
Accept him as a brother? Doesn't listen to anything I
said from the beginning. Tried to exhort him.
Try to do it gently, try to do it more firmly.

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Don't listen. And then will claim to be led by
the Holy Spirit. Why in the Holy Spirit lead him
to listen to any of these thingsthat would have been good for
him, but he's got the Holy Spirit, not a Holy Spirit that
would lead him to, you know, geta job and provide for his wife.
You know, not that one, some other one.
But apparently it's just as valid, right?
It's just as valid, valid for everyone else, isn't it?

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Any of you folks want to come inand try and save my soul today?
What do you think? Well, you're going to have to
wait. You're going to have to wait.
And you know what? We're going to go on My Time
today and you're just going to like it or you can piss off.
We're going to go on My Time today.
We're going to do it the way I feel like I want to do it.
What is the Free Grace? Is it the Free Grace Network?
What's it called? Praise Free Grace.

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What is that new channel you guys opened?
Free Grace? Is it community?
I think it is Community. Yep, that's it.
Oh, they took. Oh, they hid the video.
OK. Or they unlisted it one or the

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other fro and saved it fro. Oh, live.
Oh, there it is. Yep, that's what it is.
Thank you. I'm sorry.
I got it. Never mind.
I got it. There's a there's a part of this
that's willing to. Why is it orientated?
Is it because I got this? Oh, OK.
Yep, that's why. All right, there's a part of

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this and I'm just going to bringit up and probably let it play
too it it's about the time that fro comes in here.
This is probably a reasonable good place to to start.
I guess I'll increase the speed a little bit.
Quality shit. I know what am I doing here?

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Hold on, Playback speed probably1.5 is probably good.
And yes, for all of your moral posturing and stuff to thank you
for your truly profound and wonderful evil.
Specifically out to Isaac, Mac and cheese, new me, and Spider,

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all of the same demonic spirit. To shame my wife.
To us not even wanting to post pictures on the Internet of any
kind because apparently you fucking deviant pieces of
subhuman immoral shit, we'll just shame no matter what is put
up there out of your complete and utter lack of any semblance
of self-control. That's why we can't have nice

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things, because there's too manyhorrible people.
So FRO comes in here at this point, although God, that's a
long time. I don't know if I want to play
all of that. Bear with me.
There's a point kind of right before FRO ends up leaving here.
Let me get into this. I think fro left and came back a

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little bit. Yeah, this is about right.
Yeah. Fro, I was about to leave here.
I think this is this is probablya reasonable moment to start it.
I don't know how long I'm going to let it play or whatever.
I don't even know if I want to let anyone in right now, to be
completely honest with you. I don't really want the
questions or the what is this really?

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Or is this a skit? You know, fuck off.
Does it look like it's a fuckingskit?
I mean, do I give the impressionI'm really that good of an
actor? You know, maybe, maybe you
stupid assholes can just take a little bit of, I don't know if
you want to point the finger at all the external circumstances
something. Why don't you?

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Why don't you take some blame for all the instigation of this?
For all the times all of you have betrayed, backstabbed,
lied, deceived, ganged up on, tore down, and for what?
Did you have any utility in it? Were you actually making a
point? No.
You were just trying to get revenge.
Acting out in your flesh. You'd get you get someone that
shows a mirror to you as to whatyou actually are in your in.

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Your instant impulse is to smashthe mirror.
It's not to look at yourself andreassess.
It's to smash the mirror. Fro.
I don't know why you don't have a wrench.
I'm gonna give you one. Shit.
Hold on, Fro. Here we go.

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Add as moderator. All right, There you go, Fro.
So I guess I'm just going to putthis up and in some theater mode
there. Yeah, I'm just not going to have

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anyone in right now. Guys, if you want to stick
around and wait a little bit andcome in, you can come in, but
I'm just not going to have anyone in right this second.
I'm going to let this play for alittle bit.
I'm going to compress some of mythoughts as well while I listen
to it and I'll come back and youguys should hear this.
Not. I don't think there's probably a

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good chunk of you that didn't hear this and you probably
should. And then you might have a better
idea of kind of where I'm where I'm at with it.
I do want to thank Fro for I'm coming in and doing his best to
extend support, a virtue towardsme.
I appreciate that Fro seems to despise Christianity at this
point, kind of similar to the level that I do now.

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I don't want the title or the affinity with the people that
carry the title. And I think he kind of feels the
same way. I know Dave has said many times
he's not a Christian. And so here's all of these
Christians who are really, I believe, serving Satan, trying
to keep Christians quiet, tryingto keep people from using their
gifts for the Kingdom of God because they don't like it or
they don't like the methods or whatever it is, or they don't

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like the results or whatever thing it is.
But they feel that their best virtue is to silence, attack,
destroy, suppress, limit speech,you know, try to keep me from
being able to do debates, all ofthis stuff.
And you claim to be of Christ, and you're supporting censorship
and silencing of things that youdon't agree with.

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So it's great, isn't it? So you all can take the blame
for me leaving Christianity? If any of you ever thought there
was any value to my work in polemics or apologetics, Well,
you can, I guess, thank the people, since they want to point
the fingers everywhere else. You can thank the people that
pointed me here. You can thank Isaac certainly
for #1 for definitely chasing meaway from anything that would

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have to do with association withhim as a title of Christian.
Really, really helping nail thatin, especially over the last
couple days. And then everyone else that are
a bunch of treacherous, backstabbing, gossiping, lying
sacks of subhuman fucking feces.I don't need to.
I don't need to mess with it anymore.

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Any of you want to come in and take in, take in trying to
handle some of Smokey Saints atheist perspectives?
Maybe I've thought about it moreover the last couple days.
Maybe this is me just doing a gimmick.
Maybe it isn't. But I guess only if you guys

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start asking some questions and engaging, are you really going
to find out, maybe figure out some of what my beliefs are,
right? I mean, I know Tucker and Isaac
can just read hearts. They're like God that way, but I
don't think the rest of us are so stupid or arrogant to try and
claim that. So if you would like to search
my heart, you're welcome to do that.

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You're welcome to do that. And I will let people in.
Just not right now. I want to let this play.
And if you want to watch stick around and watch it, you're
welcome to do so. Otherwise, you can piss off.
I don't really care. And then I'll come back and I'll
have probably a little bit more to say, and then I'll let you
guys in and you can ask questions, you can challenge,

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you can do any number of things you like.
So anyway, let's get this on screen.
Yeah. Brandon.
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
It's only been words thrown at me.
Right, Brandon. Right.
Right. You really think so?
It's only been words. You know, Brandon, it I almost

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wish you want weren't such a boring, uninteresting, stupid,
uneducated loser failure that noone can stand listening to.
I actually do wish you had at least some iota of talent OR
intelligence so that you could know what it's like to get to a
certain level and understand theamount of attack you get and the

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kinds I wish I wish for you. You had a single iota of
integrity or intelligence so that you could know the types of
attacks that come your way, especially when encouraged
non-stop by TV and pieces of shit just like you.

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I don't even know how you sleep at night Brandon.
Honestly Mr. Contract, Mr. Stickto the letter of the law.
Stick to what it says, follow itclosely.
You don't. Most of you heretical nut jobs
are condemned inside your own worldview and you don't even
notice it. It's really funny to me.

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It's really funny that most of you can't even follow your own
bullshit. We're going to play this.
Who's going to play this? And then, and then we can talk

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about it. Don't worry guys, we got most of
the day. Maybe all day.
I don't know. We'll see.
I guess we'll see. I'm just going to just going to
see how it goes, all right? He's just crazier than that.
Like, that's what I I don't wantto go like that because he was

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in a he was under duress that I can't even fathom.
And I'm not an expert in dealingwith people who are coming out
of a cult like that. I'm really not because I was
never in a cult like that. So so far.
Are you aware of that? He was in a cult, a very, very
vicious, terrible cult. Yeah, I am aware.
OK, I just, I just don't think as a 30 year old man that
excuses him from things like unrighteous judgement, slander,

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you know, fleshly activities, denying scripture, you know,
making bad arguments to condemn and judge me, using the computer
to judge me even by his own admission.
I'm not making this up. He said it the other day and the
coffee comes in comments. If you don't believe me, go look
at it. He admitted explicitly told the
whole story. So and now it's coming down to
he suddenly believes the thing that he hasn't believed and
denied for months because I for no other reason, I think it's
convenient he didn't get some new information on that day or

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within this week that changed his mind.
He just decided he wanted to hate me and he's going to claim
he stands on righteousness, unrighteousness.
And it is this hate. I'm sorry.
I'm I'm very emotional. This is This is why I get angry
and why I'm so sad. It is this fucking thing that
makes me say that he he's not fuck this.
I'm I'm done. I'm done with this.

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Have a lovely me. I love you smoking.
I I appreciate that for all. Thank you.
Yeah. As for me, like in my emotional
weight with this, I handle it instride.
I came back as my name because Iam not guilty of the slander and
nonsense they put out at me. If I was, I would just
disappear, go under some new name, you know, start a new
thing. Hell, if I was actually a
predator, that's what I would have done.
I would have done, like, anime answer done.
And I would have just gone underground onto a new name,

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went into the Discord servers and started praying on people
again. You know, as as many of them
tend to do, I didn't do that. I came back as my name to defend
my position and my truth and my innocence and to all of the
nonsense, the claims of identity, the claims of guilt,
everything else. And it's all been out there for
anyone to see. And there's some people just
don't pay attention to it and some people that will pay
attention to it for season and then it's opportunistic to turn
away from it. We'll go right back to it.
The entirety of the server todayeven was Tucker, you know,

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taking these jobs at me. The whole side chat last night,
but Tucker was trying to take these jobs at me.
It wasn't addressing in my arguments or my theological
points was attempted diffuse distract.
And well, you like this term triangulate, right?
That's what it is. So, so to me, I I've seen just a
lot of vicious attacks. And as you know, here's the
thing. Remember Isaac, Mack, James, all
these people, none of them believe this narrative against
me as of like a week ago. And then suddenly when they have

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an excuse to hate me now all of a sudden they believe it.
This isn't Christian judgment. This isn't righteous judgment.
They didn't get some new information that changed their
mind or some smoking gun or something.
No, it just became fleshly convenient to try and bring this
up and attack me with it becausereally they just want to try and
annoy and farm me. The problem is I built a pretty
hard skin, pretty tough skin up to this point, you know, because
this has been thrown at me non-stop for years.
I've had an ocean of emotional abuse from people online.

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And Isaac is claiming to stand on righteousness, but joining
that fray. And that, that is the one thing
that I get with Fro where Fro's coming.
And Fro and I have talked, you know, on Dave's streams many
times, and I have tried to counsel Fro and talk to Fro and
and Fro struggles because he does hate what he sees so much.
And Fro, you know, is one of those guys where his pretty much
only access to Christianity is what he gets out here, you know.
And he sees things that when he knows what he taught and talked

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to Christians about and read theBible and he sees some of these
things and these opportunistic, you know, evil, slanderous lies
and attacks that it, it triggershim and it hits him deeply.
And I, I like fro. I've always tried to be decent
to fro. And fro has developed a bit of,
you know, affinity towards me clearly.
And he's bothered by the fact that I've been patient, kind,
Christian, virtuous to him. And he's seen how horribly I'm
being treated by people claimingChrist and claiming
righteousness, You know, and it shouldn't be this way.

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It shouldn't, but it is. And I have to navigate this
field in a rather, you know, difficult, tenuous way while
still trying to keep my higher utility.
And so like, the things that Isaac is willing to indulge,
this doesn't come from righteousness.
This isn't standing on truth. This isn't using Christian
ethics or morals, you know, and he claims ethics, ethics isn't
in the King James Bible. And he said there's no morals in
the Bible because the word morals isn't in the Bible.

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So it's these types of things ofthese constant contradictions.
And I have this person condemning me using unrighteous
evil judgments towards me. And I'm supposed to, I don't
know what, I guess just choke itup like I do every other time by
being stabbed in the back more time than I can count.
I didn't turn on Isaac. I tried to reason with Isaac.
Isaac turned on me, That's just how Mac turned on me.
James turned on me, Brandon Irish turned on me.
Everyone turned on me. If their own decision about the

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spider situation, they decided just had to somehow, someway be
my fault. And now all the sudden they want
to pull all the slanderous shit about me and try and bring that
all back. And it's demonic.
There's no truth in it. It's all lies.
It's all of Satan and they're just joining with Satan to use
it. And also, don't tell me you
stand on righteousness. Don't tell me you stand with
Christ. Don't tell me you're following
the Holy Spirit when you're indulging and participating in
demonic slander. You didn't.

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You didn't come to that decisionrighteously.
You didn't get some new information that changed your
mind. You just were emotionally and
fleshly driven to attack me by any way you could, and that
makes you evil. That makes you evil.
That's not it. But OK, OK.
What information did you get that changed your mind in that
week when you decided it's not about information, It's
literally spiritual work. I'm trying.
That's my point. That's my point right there.
He didn't have any justificationto change his mind about that
stuff, but he's still dead and he just now proved it.

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There you go. That's the spirit behind it that
I literally was trying to figureout what's going on.
So why you're slandering me so badly?
You're. I'm not saying I don't have to
say any lies about you. That's what slander is, by the
way. You don't know what that word
means. It means I'm lying about you.
I don't call me an idiot. You said about a Christian.
You said that I don't believe inGod.
You're not really saying spirit.You're not perfectly fine.
That's slandering. No, it isn't.

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No, I'm not telling a dishonestyfrom my worldview.
You show me enough. OK, so hold on, Isaac.
I want to. I want to be Smokey's attorney
for a second and defend him for a second.
And I want you to really think about this verse I'm going to
bring forward because you're talking about spiritual warfare
and this is one that's very muchabout it.
So I want to blow this up. I want people to be able to see
this because we can find everything we need in the word

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of God in order to deal with thethings that we come come against
us in this lifetime. And right now it is clear that
things are spiritually coming against us.
So I want to I want to put on I want to say that I right now am
defending Smokey spiritually. It says Jesus in John wrote in
the book of John. He said henceforth I call you
servants for the servant knowethnot what his Lord doing, but I

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have called you friends and these are the members of the
body of Christ, the people that are seeking after God for all
things that I've heard of my father and it's what he said.
They continue and believe they're not moved away from the
gospel. That's why they're friends and I
heard of my father. I've what I've heard from my
father, I've made known to you. You have not chosen me, but I've
chosen you, meaning God calls you to the gospel.
He's drawing you and calling youeverybody, not everybody
receives Christ because they don't believe what He did.

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But here we go. And ordained you that you should
go forth and bring fruit, and that fruit should remain, that
whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, He may give
it to you. Now these things that command
you that you love one another, if the world hate you, ye know
that it hated me first before ithated you.
And what I want you to hear in this verse, Isaac, is that
you're talking about hate so much tonight, but Jesus is not

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talking about brothers hating each other.
There's plenty of things in the Scripture for that, right?
He's saying that the Kingdom of darkness is the enemy, not not
your brothers and the Kingdom ofdarkness is that world.
And in spiritual warfare, if, ifthey if, if there's things
coming against Smokey, if there's things coming against
you, me praise weren't fro. We're in the same boat, OK,
We're in the same boat because Christ liveth in us.

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If you were of this world, and that's kind of what I had the
Holy Spirit bringing my remembrance here.
When you were talking about Smokey earlier, you were talking
about him as being of the world.That's not what this verse is
saying. Smokey's not of this world.
Even if he gets into his flesh and so is the flesh.
Jesus doesn't say he is of the world, but because ye are not of
the world, but I have chosen youout of the world, therefore the
world hateth you. The Kingdom of darkness hates
the sons of God. So please.

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And what does he say there in verse 20?
Remember Jesus saying, remember that?
Remember when you're talking to somebody, So he's not of the
world. And tonight I think you might
have mistakenly called him that he's, he's not of the world.
Remember that He says in verse 20, the word that I said unto
you, and this is another one. The servant's not greater than
his Lord. So we all have to make room for
however someone's bringing the message.

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Let them bring their message. But the people bringing that
message, remember who you're talking to.
You're talking to people who aresons of God who've been taken
out of the world. So, you know, measure it.
Measure it especially if things.That's just what I'm saying at
the end of the day, bro, bro, stop.
Come on, man. You, you didn't do that.
I got to say that you didn't do that.
You didn't measure that when youwhen you made some things.
That's smoky. You didn't.

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What I'm trying to say is I looked at the outside
appearance. I looked at everything from the
outside. Yeah, you're not supposed to do
that. You're not supposed to be
looking at the what was going onspiritually.
I was understanding that he's a brother in Christ and also there
are things that he was also talking with me.
That's why we also got in a private conversation and we got
heated. I'm telling you, I didn't come
up with, as I said, love. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Love covers a multitude of sins,right?
And, and and if he's a saved person, what you're bringing up

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about him from the past has nothing to do with Spider.
Nothing. I don't know.
Exactly like he's trying to do because of me saying then, then,
then you're doing, then you're then now you're doing a logical
fallacy. You're saying that's too.
OK. You're saying, well, look at
him. What about him?
What about what he's doing to me?
I understand I was wrong. I'm sorry for saying what I
said. OK, Do you want to hear that?
I'm sorry for saying what I said.
But what I'm going to try to sayis there's two wrongs that

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there's two. There's two things.
It's not just one way or the other.
There's always someone that causes another thing.
So will Smokey apologize and saythat I am not stupid.
I, I don't think the issue anymore is about not being
stupid because if you came in here and that was your issue,
you should have No, but that's what I'm trying to say his past.
But my issue, just to be clear, Isaac, if I could Isaac, my
issue, Isaac, my issue is no longer with you being stupid.

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And the reason I said that is because you've contradicted
yourself so much in pretending that you're right.
And then when I correct you, yousay things like, oh, exactly,
even though I just contradicted what you just said.
So here's the thing. Here's the thing that came
through. Here's the thing, just real
quick. My issue is not at this point,
my issue is not with your intelligence.
My issue is with your evil. That's where we're at now.
I don't care about your intelligence level, your
education, any of that stuff. I care about what is a

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disgusting, immoral, unrighteousjudgement practices that you
have convinced yourself is righteous.
That's what I want now. And I don't know about
practicing your righteous judgement.
Please, someone explain by judging me.
I'll tell you. I'll tell you what was
unrighteous. I'll tell you something was
unrighteous. You came in here, you came in
here. I stuck around to try and get
this whole thing where you guys could go back and forth.
You said this was about Dave's channel and now you're 1,000,000
miles away about Smokey calling you an idiot.

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Well, I know it wasn't supposed to be over there.
And FRO started making this whole thing.
No, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.
You don't get to now put it on FRO.
Yeah, You don't get to blame shifted on FRO because these are
the things you're responsible for out of your own mouth.
You're my brother. But your mouth, you can't blame
FRO. Because when FRO was asking you
that question, the correct answer was Jesus, sorry that I'm

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in my flesh and I did not answercorrectly.
Got it? Got it.
OK, That's that's helpful. That's very helpful.
But now the issue becomes And wegot to go to bed, the issue
becomes for you, not Dave's channel because that's not the
issue. The issue for you is that you
were called an idiot and that wecan deal with that.
We can deal with This has nothing to do with Dave's
channel. So that, so that So what happens
here? And so, and I get it, when
you're triggered, you go to yourflesh.
So do I then you bring up other things that which is deflection

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away from because you don't knowhow to talk about the main issue
that you do not want to be called an idiot.
I understand. I don't want to be called an
idiot either. I'm not I'm not against you in
that I'm with you at the end of the day.
Please consider this first, thatif Smokey gets in his flesh
calls you an idiot. This person, John 15 is saying
that the Kingdom of darkness is oppressing Smokey, putting them
in his flesh to call you an idiot.
And you are missing out on what you need to be focused on that

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the Kingdom of darkness is oppressing your brother and
you're, you need to pray for your brother.
Then go to him privately. Say listen, I know you called me
an idiot. I don't like that.
But I pray that the king of darkness stops oppressing you
and doing that you because the Kingdom of darkness is your
enemy. Not Smokey, not Fro, not Dave,
not me, not praise, not Olive. None of those people are your
enemy, even if they say something out of your mouth that
you don't like. The enemy is the king of the
darkness and how the king of darkness is able to get to their

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flesh if that's what you think is happening.
So we can do one of my one of myproblems is that I know and
smoking all this as well, that even if he agrees to all these
things, I know that he will under one day flip flop again
and makes Cana's claims again. We know that because we saw we
saw we seen it. Then you then you need to then
you need to be praying against the Kingdom of darkness going

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against Isaac. Then the Kingdom of darkness has
a door open that's oppressing your brother and you he's no
brother of mine. He's no brother of mine.
OK, I didn't know that you couldread hearts that you could do
what God does, but that's all right.
So here's here's where we're at.If if he's a Christian, I'm not
very good, but OK, so here's where we're at.
We we know that we have admonitions in our Bible.
I'm guilty as anybody of saying,Hey, that guy's an A hole and

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he's not my brother. However, I also have to wake up
the next day, hear from my Holy Spirit, same Holy Spirit that's
in the rest of the brothers. Christ that starts hitting me
going hey, your brother is beingoppressed.
Why don't you pray for him because the verses will come to
my remembrance that my brother'sin trouble.
So when my when I say it's goingto happen in the future
happened, will he just say I'm correct them It doesn't matter
if you're correct because can you read what's on the screen?

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What does it mean on the screen?And Jesus said if they persecute
you somebody it was when he was writing this, it was saved Jews
that were persecuting Jesus people who are of the faith of
Abraham people who they're faithwith the pound of his
righteousness. They had the Holy Spirit.
They are the all the time. So it doesn't OK, so this is
what we're dealing with. The Kingdom of darkness doesn't
sleep. He did it like literally in this
dream, I, I told him I thought he was wrong for what he did and

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he even apologized. But how many how many times does
he say you forgive your brother?Once, twice, 30 * 1000 times.
But The thing is like, he hasn'tchanged.
He like I'm going to tell you right now.
I don't believe shit that's coming out of his mouth.
Then pray for him that the King of Darkness is oppressing him.
I will, dude, whenever you're ready.
I'll just go ahead. I don't agree.
I don't agree for I think you'reright.

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That's the thing. It it appears like we're
disagreeing, but I think you're right in your rebuking, in the
things you're raising that this keeps happening.
None of those things are you wrong about.
I want to be clear about that. Everything that you've brought
forward Fro is factual and true.Fro has not told a lie in the
things that he's saying. And even I agree with him that
he has righteous anger to be angry about it.
I I even agree with your righteous anger Fro.
Go ahead, smoke you up the floor.
I appreciate that. Yeah, appreciate that.

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Thanks. I I'll just kind of, I know it's
getting, you know, I mean, we'regetting along in the night and
we all should go to bed. I'm just going to say one final
thing about a bow out and stuff the entirety of the kind of the
focus of this conversation as I've kind of been digesting it
and considering it. And I had a thought just the
other day I woke up and I did kind of what I typically do.
I usually have some sort of kindof like silent, you know, prayer

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in my head to God, usually for the day or wisdom or guidance or
something like that. Just kind of a quick little, you
know, personal interaction, devotion type thing, you know,
to God. If there's a passage that's
burning on my mind or concept isbringing my mind, I'll go look
it up and read it or something like that.
But I just kind of have these moments.
And the other day I woke up in afashion that was unfamiliar, was
different than what I had experienced before in terms of

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how I woke up. And I was considering and maybe
fro will probably empathize withme on this.
I had an almost inescapable distaste and disgust with myself
in the identity of the word Christian.
I woke up with a recognition kind of did not with what I
sometimes when I do with like kind of like, well, just God

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help me with my day. I think I woke up with like a
sense of awareness of the weightof the surrounds, you know, and
and I I had for the first time probably in a very, very long
time, probably not since my atheist days, I had a sudden
instantaneous disgust with the very word Christian.
Even thinking in my mind I'm Christian caused a almost
unavoidable sense of personal disgust with myself.

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And in sense of reconciling and looking at the environment, I
had a series of epiphanies. Not, I'm not going to share all
of them, but but in my in my mind, in this moment of self
reflection and meditation of sudden this, this new emergent
sense of disgust, there was a problem with me in terms of even
feeling comfortable taking the Christian title anymore.
I know it used to mean somethingin the book of Acts.

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It meant something in the 1st century, it meant something in
the 2nd century, it meant something.
And, and it's evolved over time.And what the term Christian has
turned into has now left me. And especially with the
emergence of the events of the last week has left me with a
unresolvable sense of disgust. I really want to denounce the

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title of Christian altogether. I get where fro is coming from.
My urge is to do that just rightnow.
And the amazing thing is that inthat consideration that this is
nothing more than a manifestation of really the
events of the week, which in some ways to me is almost a test
of faith in some ways. And I've been pushed to a limit
of pure disgust with my fellow man and my supposed fellow

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brother. People I trusted and considered,
you know, would be reasonably led by the Holy Spirit only to
find them not only turn on me for really bad or unjustified or
untrue reasons, but then to latch on to slander and lies and
things they never believed before.
Suddenly now it's opportunistic and they just start throwing at
me. So I've seen enough from the
quote UN quote Christian community to develop an extreme

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disgust with them to notion thatthis is the thing I also I've
seen. This is why I also feel this
this stays because this last week like I understand smoking
is strong. So smoke is one of the strongest
people I have met on the Internet.
But being betrayed over and overagain, like he's this fucking
Judas Iscariot. Like, I, I don't get it.
I don't get this anger towards smoking, but I, I don't get what

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he has done to deserve this. And he's being tested over and
over and over again as a weaker man.
Like if he was a little bit weaker, he was, he would be in a
mental institution because he was trying to commit suicide.
Like I, I just like, I, I, I nourish that he sells Trump.
And I'm just going to tell you this spiritual warfare against
smoking is one of the worst things I've seen lately.

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It's been like, it's it's not one time, it's like 60 times.
Yeah, I agree with you completely.
Fro this was what I talked to praise and Olive about.
And they, you know, they were already praying over it and
thinking about it, that there something happened here that
became the normalization of tearing down smoking.
And you know, when we opened up our Channel 2 for people to come
in to moderate discussions, the Holy Spirit came upon every

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single person. And not just that it was our
channel just happened to do that.
Every single person who's come here and been on panel.
We know the holy we could feel it.
And it has led to like you're talking about fro us to really
put a a name to something that was an injustice that went on
way too long. And we wish, we wish that we
could go back in time and that we've even said this to smoke.
Like we didn't know that he had apologized for stuff years ago,
like all these things that we didn't even know about.

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And then we got caught. Then we got caught up in this
evil thing called the normalization of the tearing
down of smoking. And you that you put, you
described it. I'm giving it a name and we're
not a part of that. We're never going to be a part
of that again. No, I know, and I appreciate you
saying that, but I just, I just know that Smokey is saying that

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he takes it upon him and he has the right to say that.
But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm worried for Smokey.
I, I, I pray for Smokey that he will keep that spirit in him.
And I see him especially like, like he said last, the last week
been enormously difficult for the people around the situation
because this whole thing with Spider, that was just the last
drop in a very, very, very big bucket of problems that we have

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seen going on. And it does not help when when
people like Isaac is spewing allthese evil, evil things out of
his mouth. So again, I'll just if I could,
I'll just wrap up real quick too.
If it's OK with you, dude, if you don't mind, go ahead.
I want you guys. I'll get to everything out that
you want to because that's why once I'm done, I will bow out.
I'll let everyone out there the word too.

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So the real the real part of this too is that the interesting
thing is this idea of these external, you know,
instigations. And I'll go and reframe this
too. The recent conduct of Isaac Mack
James, a couple others recently within the last week has pushed
me to the state of extreme disgust in this taste with
Christianity. Now I can choose.
I have my choice of what to do with that.

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I can either choose to keep to the faith and move forward or
allow it to shipwreck me, give up all faith and it denounced
Christianity and say all of thisis horseshit.
I mean, I have a choice. I mean, I I've been instigated
to a certain level by these people, especially over the last
week. But what I do with that is my
choice. This is the whole thing that
even falls to the, to the spidersituation that's comparable.

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I, I'm just going to speak out of my heart, out of the mouth.
The abundance of the heart speaks and there's no point in
being dishonest about any of it.It is what it is, and it's now
going to be part of my testimonymoving forward.
I, I don't like to hold hate in my heart.
I don't like to have that thing in me.
I believe it's intrinsic that I'd be able to let stuff like
that go for my own benefit. But aside from that, all things

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considered, right now in my current state of affairs, I
truly, deeply, intrinsically, powerfully hate Isaac.
I hate him for his immoral judgment and stabbing me in the
back. I hate him for his attack on my
wife that was unjustified, immoral, inconsistent, and
hypocritical. I hate him for how he has chosen
to operate for the last week andclaiming to be on righteousness.

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And all of his actions have inspired this hate.
That's not good. I shouldn't have that hatred if
I could. You are to hate evil.
You are to hate evil, and even. But I shouldn't hate that as
much as I should hate that. You know?
I understand. I shouldn't hate Isaac, but I
do. I'm not going to lie about it
right now. I should, I shouldn't.
It's a problem. I'm not saying it's right, I'm
not saying it's good. I'm just being honest among my
brothers here. I hate Isaac more than anyone

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else right now at this stage. I hate him more than Vicky,
Bill, anyone else. And I, I tried to forgive all
these people as best as I can. They think he's always had a
special place in my heart of disgust.
But Isaac's stuff over the last week has inspired a pretty,
pretty potent level of hatred and disgust like a vias.
And part of it does have to do with the fact that I was so
friendly to him and to try to befriend him and to try to

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support him and give him ideas and stuff like that.
To see this type of thing manifest inspires a level of
hatred I'm not experience in a hot minute and I know it's not
right. I'm not saying I should have
this in my heart and I'm not justifying it.
I'm just being honest that it's there.
If I could destroy Isaac's entire existence tomorrow, I
would. And that's that's not right and
that's not how it should be. That's not a good sign.
That's me in my flesh right now.But I'm not going to lie and and

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the fact of the matter is I don't know what's going to
happen or how I'm going to work on this in this type of way.
But just understand you so-called Christians out there
that are claiming to stand on righteousness and have been
attacking me unjustly slanderingme for no real good reason, for
the better part a week you put me here.
Now what I do with it is still my choice.
Just like where Spider ended up and what he chose to do with it
was still his choice. OK, I can choose to say fuck all

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of you and become one of the most incredible anti Christian
atheist promoters that you've ever seen in your entire life.
I would be 10 times what Justin from the deconstruction Zone is
if I decided to just say fuck all of you.
I would be one of the most incredibly potent, powerful
tools for the enemy. And you guys want to push me
here and you're pushing me here by claiming I'm responsible and

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exterior source that denied Spider the energy he wanted.
I'm the reason Spider chose to do what he chose.
Even though he could have chosenanything he chose to do that.
I'm still responsible for the choice.
So does that mean you're responsible for my choice
because you've put me here? You've made me exasperated and
disgusted with Christianity. Do you?
Will you follow your logic consistently and blame

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yourselves for my fall, having pushed me here with your
annoying, unrighteous, evil judgments?
Or is it my choice what I do? Is it my choice to keep faith?
Is it my choice to be true? Is it my choice to keep to my
sensibilities? Or do I blame all of you because
you put me here? Well, I take accountability.
I take responsibility, OK, If I choose to leave Christianity

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because all of you are pieces ofshit, that's still on me.
I'm not absolved of that. I don't get to get to the white
pearly gates and claim, well, they made me do it.
And you've all been treating me.So many of you have been
treating me this week as if that's the case.
That's my fault, that I somehow forced Spider's choice.
Well, trust me, you've deliveredto me a healthy dose of cynicism
about Christianity. You have absolutely stumbled my

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desire to even want to claim thelabel.
So you want to blame me for Spider than blame yourselves for
where I'm at now. And I'm on the edge.
I've been on these edge many times before.
And you fucking people and you, Isaac, you, you taking this half
of pure treachery and betrayal with how kind and supportive I
was to you, attacking my wife unjustly with how kind she was.

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You, Jamie, as to where we don'teven want to put pictures of
ourselves on the Internet anymore.
And I do fucking hate you, Isaac.
I do. I hate you deeply because I
loved you and I cared for you and I tried to do everything I
could for you. I tried to give you space, I
tried to give you expectation, Itried to give you encouragement.
And all you did was expect the most evil and worst of me for no

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good reason. And I do fucking hate you.
I don't like it, it's not right,it shouldn't be, but I fucking
hate you. So I'm going to take a break,
I'm going to meditate, I'm goingto reassess.
And if you fucks want to still keep blaming your first fighter
when I come back as the worst anti Christian atheist you've
ever seen in your whole fucking lives, then you can blame

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yourself for that too. Thank you dude for your
hospitality. I appreciate the time.
I hope you guys have yourselves a lovely evening.
I would say God bless but I'm not in that headspace so you
guys have you know, I'll say Godbless for you and God bless you
in the name of Jesus. I'll be praying for you again.
You have, you've been unfairly targeted.
Today we talked about that. Everybody has a story.

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Some people have been attacked and it's a puddle of abuse.
Some people have a pond of abuse.
Some people have a lake of abuse.
Smokey has received an ocean of abuse.
And for that, Smokey, I'm sorry to you, Whatever part I ever
played, I am wholeheartedly sorry.
And I hope that people will realize that what Smokey is
pointing out here. And he said it better than
anybody can because he's the onethat lived it.

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Kino Darkness has used brother against brother too easily over
the time on YouTube. And I'm sorry that you were the
one that got it in the way and in the the volume that you got
it. So thank you fro for pointing it
out. Thank you to you, Isaac, for
saying sorry. You did apologize.
And there's some stuff that obviously you're gonna have to
work out still because there's things that he's very angry
about. And Smokey, I, I bless you.

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And lo, in the name of Jesus, I hope you have a good a good
night. And yeah, so, bro, did you want
to add anything here? Yeah.
I don't blame him. This is why I prayed about this.
And yeah, I am just going to saythat I agree with everything
that the smoke isn't OK. Very good.

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I bless you, Throne, the name ofJesus.
Thank you for being here. And I hope the things that
you're struggling also with in your heart that the Lord, I will
bring you the comfort and like the same that you know, that's
why I'm blessing Smokey. I want the Lord to I want to
hold him up to the throne of grace so that he, the Lord hears
our petition because the Lord hears our prayers.
We just have to ask the Father in the name of Jesus to help our
brother. And that's what I'm asking for
you, for Smokey and for anybody else that's out there who's

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either hurting over this or evenfeels responsible for a partner
played whatever it is, if you'rea member of the body of Christ,
all of us need to stop allowing the Kingdom of darkness to use
any of us as its sphere. So, yeah, So thank you Fro.
You're you're you were a good brother in Christ tonight.
What you brought forward. I was glad that you did.
And so even when I was talking to you about things, I was
trying to edify you to be strongin the Lord.

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I was not disagreeing with you. Yeah.
God bless. God bless, bro.
Isaac, there's something that you'd like to say here.
Well, I just wanted to address everything again.
Sorry for getting on my flesh. I should have left.
There is a lot of things that weall do need to ponder that.

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Yeah, a lot of people do consistently get attacked all
the time, brothers and sisters. But all I do remember is what
Paul said is that through pain comes salvation through pain.
It's always the like pain is theworst.
But the best part is what comes after.
And that's usually joy because of God shows us like who he is.
And I'm not trying to say what Idid was right.
No, it's not. And what I'm going to say is, by

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God's grace, we can understand when we're being used by the
flesh and when we're not. And so I just wanted to address
that and say that I'm sorry again for overstepping certain
things that I have no understanding of where I over or
what I should not have overstepped.
And if that makes sense. Yes, it does.
It makes a lot of sense. And I'm really happy that you
have recognized that it always is better to leave with an, you

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know, apology. If you've offended your brothers
and then go to them in private, then you know, And yeah, so
thank you for for apologizing. It's, it's important to do that.
And you did. So I hope that people will hear
that you did apologize because Icertainly did, Isaac.
And I bless you in the name of Jesus and hold you up before the
throne of grace as well, that the Lord can heal things that
are happening in your heart because we're all listen,
there's not one of us that isn'tfighting a private personal

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battle. There's not one of us in the
body of Christ that isn't fighting some personal thing.
So we need, that's why we need to love one another, hold each
other up before the throne of grace, lift each other up, bear
each other's burdens and figure out ways to edify each other.
And obviously, if the Lord has you bring other information that
won't be pleasant. That's why God wants you to do
it in private because it it can go sideways fast.
So Amen. Thank you.
Amen. Thank you, Isaac.

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OK, so I. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call
it here. So all I'm gonna do is thank
everybody. Everybody who was came by
tonight. This was obviously one of our
longest shows. And I wanted to not cut it off
because out of respect for the people who came in and poured
their hearts up. You know, I wanted to go private
actually, and I kept on hinting toward that.
But everybody wanted to make sure that they could express
themselves and I, I let them. So I'm gonna have to go to the

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Father myself and make sure thatwas I ignoring the Holy Spirit,
that maybe the Holy Spirit was telling me to call this thing
earlier. So all of this didn't get out or
did I do the right thing to let everybody express each other
even I'm having a minute going, boy.
Father, did I make a mistake here letting this go or should I
called it earlier? So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to
the Lord. And you know, if I, if I did the
right thing, I didn't. If I didn't, you know, thank God
I have the Lord Jesus Christ. You know, he covers me in these

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things. So thank you to everybody.
Janet, you're a blessing that you come by, you speak such
truth, you speak it so clearly and you know, things that need
to be said. So we're grateful for you.
And yeah, so pray for each other, love one another, get
rest. Let's get after it for a new
day. And remember a verse.
And I'm gonna find it for you. I think it's in the Psalms.

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I think it's very important thatwe follow this verse, especially
tonight. Let me find it.
OK, Hold on one second. I'm sorry.
I always say it's in Psalms, butit's in Lamentations.
And it's Lamentations 322 and 23.
And here it is. It is of the Lord's mercies that

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we are not consumed because his compassions fail not.
Our Lord doesn't fail us even tonight.
We may have failed each other, but he doesn't fail us.
It is of the Lord's mercies thatwe are not consumed either by
each other or the enemy, becausehis compassions fail not.
And here's the best His mercies are new every morning.
Great is thy faithfulness. And it's talking about the
Lord's faithfulness to his children, to the members of the

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body of Christ. So let us take something from
the Lord here and let us renew our mercies when we wake up,
when we have time to sleep and reflect.
Let us put the same mercies on our brothers and sisters in
Christ that we may be mad with right now.
But the Lord renews his mercies on us every day.
Let us do our best to renew mercy on our brothers and
sisters every day. And I, I bid you guys for a
while and I'm going to send us out of here with a maybe a song

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that's uplifting. And I'm trying to.
Yeah. I don't mind you, Smokey, that
you're taking a break. I understand.
And I'm praying for you. Yeah.
OK. That's very good, Isaac.
And I'm going to pull Isaac out of here for a second.
He's going to. And that's a yes, Isaac.
So let's see any. Let me see.

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I want to give also to what's being said out here before I
throw. Hey, Beckel, Good to see you.
And what's what is this that's going on?
Bum, bum, bum, bum. I want to know.
I was writing something for Janet and I wanted to.
There you go. That's for Janet.
I was just thinking of you as you with all you do in the glory

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of God. Well, thank you.
You're just thinking of. OK.
That's all very good and peaceful benefits at the end.
Taking a break at you Low. My my prayers got to low and all
our prayers got to Smoky St. andLow and and all our brothers and
sisters. Spiders was just too crazy, man.
You guys are troopers. Yeah.
So I'm going to find a song hereto get us out of here or
something to get us out here. That's uplifting because, you
know, I feel that the Lord guiding me, my spirit to do that

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and then we're going to end thisthing.
So I'm in praise this side here of the what you call it thing.
So give me a second because praise is always so great at
this. Praise is such a blessing to
always do this stuff and I'm notas good as him.
So give me a second. Dude does play a song at the
end. I think that's probably good
enough at this point. Boy, is there anything else I

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even want to say to this right now, at this point?
Is there anything that I've neglected to say yet, perhaps?
Let me think for a moment. It's my standby mode.
I can take my time, can I? Many, many years in this belief

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system, stepping away for a time, giving into a different
worldview. Let me tell you, in terms of
physical happiness, my days of rebellion against God, we're

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pretty great. I hear all this talk about
chastisement proving whether or not you're saved, which just
basically means whether or not you have bad experiences
happened to you, which we all do.
So I guess we're all saved or that's not what it means.

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I watch Christians it take theseinterpretations of scripture
that fly in the face of just actual observed reality and
think that this claim of faith suspending disbelief in the

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perceptually impossible. They just adopt it and hold on
to it and think that somehow they have a higher virtue than
other people because they have suspended disbelief in a
particular factoid. I don't like that God that has

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inspired that to be a thing. What if that is the true God?
And maybe this is really boils down to where I'm sitting right
now. What if we're all fucking wrong?
You know, you all, you guys all sit there and be like, well, the
Bible says I can know I'm saved.There's a whole bunch of people

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that were standing in front of Jesus in Matthew 723 that
believed they were saved. Isaac can't be saved because
Isaac can't be corrected by anyone external.
We just can't softly hard, can'tdo it.
His spirit is hard. He believes he hasn't figured
out, he has ignored scripture. He's defied scripture, claims to

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be unrighteousness, contradicts himself, claims to be inspired
by the Holy Spirit. Makes no sense.
Isaac is one of the most blatantflock frauds of faith that I've
come across, and probably since SFB module.
Honestly. Some of you guys remember him.
He's been following the channel for a while.

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Guys, want an atheist argument? Remind me to go into the closet
and blow the dust off of some ofthe old Smokey atheist arguments
and see how you fucks handle it.My spirit battles with us a

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little bit. I won't lie, I could.
I could shipwreck so much faith.I could be.
I could put stuff out there thatmost of you couldn't dare even
think of contending with an any logical level, and I could

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defend it. I can run circles around you.
I can embarrass you and shame you.
Who's going to take the blame? Who's going to point the finger
at who now? Right, Because Spider couldn't

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be Spider's fault. So now who's going to take the
blame for Smokey hating Christianity?
See at least. See, unlike Isaac, who does not
follow Scripture and defies scripture by failing to provide

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for his family, by failing to understand and heed its warnings
and instructions about where thework of the Holy Spirit is and
the power of the body of Christ and the essentiality of wearing
the whole armor, I guess it just matters to me,

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right? I'm in this position.
A good number of various people in this community.
And keep in mind this isn't really just them.
I left a long list down there inthe in the description of this
video of the people that I couldhonestly give at least solid
credit to helping me reach this point.

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But that's not even all of them.I've been at this over 30 years.
Ever since my youth I had a thirst for knowledge of God and
my youth was dedicated to God asa baby by one of the most famous
pastors in the world. A true, loving man of God who

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was the type that would sweep uphis own church, that would
invite congregation over to his house for dinner.
The people that came after him, his successors didn't have his
virtue. Isn't that amazing?

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You look at someone who has one of the most incredibly virtuous,
servant based, wholly dedicated walks with God and at the end

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they make it a completely uninspired, heinous,
destructive, cataclysmic decision and they leave their
flock, the garbage shepherds. And you look at their life and
you see so much fruit and virtueand beauty, and then right at

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the tail end and they hand it off to its destruction.
So many of these groups and institutions and churches, they
just seemed almost their soul, their spirit dies as soon as

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their leader does. Maybe that's just the way of
things, maybe it's pre programmed in, I don't know.
I do know this none of you wouldeven care to love me enough to

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think that you could even argue with me.
Pretty much most of you would abandoned and leave.
You'll maybe put some effort in to make yourself look somewhat
virtuous amongst your peers. But you know, let's face it,
none of you give a shit. I've seen the value of the
Christian virtue ethic. I've seen the value in its
practical application. I know it's not here.

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I know it's not slander, attacks, deception, lies and
moral judgement, inability to follow Scripture, all of these
things. Here's the thing.
I right now, today, I hate Isaac.
I hate a good number of you today, actually.

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I think Isaac kind of helps, youknow, feel like you get 1 little
hole, you know, in the dike where it's kind of that last
little straw that breaks the camel's back and starts a leak.
And the water flows through and starts eroding more and more of
the wall. And before you know it,
floodgates are open, just needled away just exactly the

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right way. Is this ordained?
Of course it is, right? This is ordained to the greater
will of God if you're a Christian believer, right?
All of this is will say that Godordains all these things to his
greater good. So all this is ordained meant to

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be, right? Beckel?
I mean, after all, Beckel, it's not you know what to me, is it?
You know, it's not up to me if Ibelieve.
It's not up to me if I stay in the faith.
That's that's up to God. Not even for Vekl and Chill.
There's not even worth them arguing for me.

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They can't do a damn thing aboutit.
They got to pray to their God and hope he regenerates my heart
so that I can believe. Oh, good.
Bruce is here, and we should go hunting for Bruce's Jesus,
whatever the fuck that is, living in his rundown hovel with

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appealing wallpaper. You want to know a problem?
It's kind of comical, but it is a problem.
I think it's a real problem for Christianity, actually.

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It's a problem of justice. It's a problem of injustice.
And maybe you guys can chew on this for a minute.
I'm about to let people into theroom and say what they want to
say. Link is in the side.
It's in the description. Anyone can pop in and say
whatever the fuck they want. Yeah.

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See, this is the type of shit I get.
It is just all the time. By the way, you know, how many
of you there? It's like, oh, smile OK, you
know, so not big of a deal. You know, how about you guys get
attacked, slandered and defamed all over the place every single
day non-stop and see if it wearsat you at all.

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Sit, do it for years. Do it for years and keep the
faith and maintain and keep yourresolve and push through it.
Try and lean on the few friends and family that you have that
are willing to support you and stick with you.
But but stick through it right? Give it a go.

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Be effective for once in your worthless fucking existence as
to where you could actually get enough attention to know what
something like that feels like and do it for years and years
and years. See how it works.

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See how you feel. Test the resolve of your
so-called faith in this virtuousGod that has created all of
this. Fuck you, Block that bitch.

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See, you have a unique situationwith me now.
It's not like I was an atheist disliking Christians and then
was a Christian disliking atheists.
Something else. Now I hate all of you, atheist

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and Christian alike. And the shitty thing about that
is, if that is true, and that's actually what's in my heart
right now after all of this weight that's been placed on me,
then I can't claim to be part ofthe faith.
I'm not going to be a hypocrite piece of shit like Isaac trying
to twist scripture to make me beOK with God.

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No, I'm not going to be dishonest about it.
I hate all of you alike. And so here we are, and I can't
claim the faith. I'm called to love my fellow
man, Forgive my fellow man. This whole community has
certainly tested that 70 * 7 fucking bullshit in the gospels,

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isn't it? Y'all really wanted to test the
outer limits of that motherfucker, didn't you?
Well I'm not God and even God has a limit.
How much shit you want to? How much slanderous untrue shit

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you want to shovel at me from so-called believers?
You want to keep me quiet, keep me from debating, keep me from
defending the Christian faith from attackers, both Muslim and
atheists alike. You don't want me to use those
gifts and you claim to serve Godtrying to keep me quiet, keep me
de platformed from debates and channels and I've still overcome

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that. Had been welcome on many
channels and other environments.Just want to make excuses to run
away. Gangster ghost Environment just
wants to make excuses to run away.
That's fine. I'm not going to start anything
with gangster ghost. I will say this, your entire
panel are a bunch of fucking shit bags except for Sandman.
Sandman's never once been cross or attacking with me at all.

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Orthodox man. And as far as I've seen, very
virtuous. In fact, actually, you know,
funny to me in terms of testimony to actually really
consider as part of this dynamicis that it's almost coincidental
that it seems like the Eastern Orthodox or those within that
general group over there seem todo a pretty darn good job at

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actually maintaining some semblance of true consistent
Christian ethics. Understanding virtue and vice
and higher good positive commands over negative commands.
All of these types of intrinsic essential moral standards that
Christians are expected to lean into and understand that the
Holy Spirit has guided them to know, whether it be through
teaching or tradition or book orpractice, they are taught this

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on its way. Even Daniel pulled back and
apologized to me for the things that he had said and
participating in it and trying to silence me and get me kicked
off channels. He apologized.
It's Orthodox. Jay Dyer and Andrew Wilson are
very potent in their own field, but I just can't get with their

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version of orthodox this new thing that has emerged.
Appreciate you, Lena, Good to see you, sister.
And they do just want a needle at me.
I mean, this is really what it is.
It's what it's been this whole time is I had this environment.
I tell these people, I said comein and confront me, have a
debate, have an interaction. What do they do?

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They run away. Is my fucking Discord messaging?
Whoever the fuck is messaging meon Discord, can you stop?
Motherfuck? You know you can't even close
this thing on this computer. I will exit out of the app and
it'll still make that fucking noise because there's just no
way to close the motherfucker. God damn Discord.

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There's a way to mute this. I know there's a way to mute
this. How do I mute that God damn
noise? Oh, now it's just going to go
into some sort of blank screen that I can't do anything with.
That's lovely. That's outstanding.
God damn discord. I'm I'm about ready to just take

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it off the whole just take it off the whole computer to me.
I'll just have it on my phone. I I don't, I don't even think I
need to have it. Yeah, well, the whole screen
just went black, so I had to exit out of it.
I'll probably have to go back inin a minute.
I you know what I'll fix? You know what I'll do is I'll
stop sharing the screen. That'll fix it.
That's something I can do. There we go.

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At least then you shouldn't be able to hear it anymore.
It is non-stop, by the way, all the time.
I hope you guys know that. I know most of you don't get
that by the way. Like I mean, what do you do?

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You show up in side chats, keyboard warrior and bitch and
moan and whine and make challenges and run away and just
assert things and don't leave any arguments and just run away.
Just playing your team sports. What what?
What are you? You hear this shit?
I had to turn notifications. I only recently turned the

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notifications back on so I wouldn't miss things.
It is non-stop. And if it's not that it's e-mail
or fucking even Facebook Messenger these days.
I comments, you know, I dedicatea lot of time to it too, out of

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a a sense of hope and pride thatsomehow this is doing some sort
of good, even if I can't actually see it or is exposed to
me that I've done it. Have that every day for years.

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Do that and tell me how you willhandle constant betrayal,
backstabbing, gossiping, deception, lies, slander,
attacks, attempts to get you deplatform, silence, unable to
speak, unable to debate, unable to use the gifts that you feel

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that God has called you to use by a bunch of people, claiming
to be brothers and sisters, trying to keep a fellow servant
from doing the work that his master has called him to do, and
you're going to claim to be righteous.
Fuck you, fuck you. I'm going to call yourself
Christian. I think that's how that works.
Who is your master? Bible says you only have one and

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one master. You love one and hate the other.
So who do you serve when you're trying to silence people from
using their gifts? So why not, right?
What am I? What?
What? What exactly am I bringing
people over to? Exactly?
What? What do you think?
What what what is this? Is this a place I should convert

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atheists to come over to all this horseshit?
It's not a bad not a bad
recommendation. Then.
I always appreciate you, sister.Thank you for stopping in.

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I don't care if you guys are sitting on the back and you
don't like it and you don't wantto wait to leave, I'm going to
take my time with this. You know the shitty thing about
Isaac? Again, this is God creating a

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just reality, right? You got certain people in this
community that do some really heinous horrible shit.
Evil shit, evil judgments, evil actions, you name it.
Try to suppress work of Holy Spirit, claim to be righteous
while doing so. All sorts of evil disgusting

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nonsense, demonic heresies floating around.
And they want to silence and crush anyone trying to contend
or fight for the truth that represents the truth.
Because it's just not their flavor and the best thing they
can do since they can't fight itor defeat it is to try and
silence it. And this is this is what I get

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most of the time from all of these so-called profession
Christians. What am I going to bring them
over to folks? The fuck would I want to convert
an atheist to come over to this bullshit Where?
Oh hey atheist, by the way, Christians have better ethics
and virtues than you. Come over to the side with a
bunch of lying, back biting, backstabbing, deception,

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slander, nonsense, inconsistency, heresy,
arrogance, hypocrisy. Come over to our side.
It's much better than over there.
I've seen people get treated better in Satanist communities
and I'm not even lying. What in the fuck is Christian

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virtue worth? What's it worth?
Do any of you even know what it is?
I bet honestly, and I do mean this, I bet just about every

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fucking one of you in this room and just about everyone in view
in that side chat has no clue what Christian objective
morality actually even is. I'd almost guarantee it.
You're the type of dumb cunts that would say it's wrong to

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lie. So don't lie to the Nazi
soldiers when they're coming up to ask if you have shoes under
your floorboards. You have to always tell the
truth, so you better hand over those filthy dirty rotten rat

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Jews to the gas chambers and executions.
That's the Christian moral virtue, right?
You can't lie. Shit, human beings like you make

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the world the worst place and the most disgusting thing about
it is that you do it in the nameof Christ.
And I don't want any part of that shit anymore.
I don't need it. He doesn't want to deal with the
problem of retards. Yeah, it's a real argument.

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That's a real anti Christian argument.
The problem of retards. You have retards that are out
there that are not only low intelligence, but extremely
immoral and do a bunch of horrible shit.
They're not accountable. They're not all up there.

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They're covered by common grace.So they cause harm on top of
harm on top of harm that cannot be punished because God and his
justice can't hold them accountable for what they've
done. So they will never be punished.
And so the just God, the perfectly just God got a perfect
justice, has intentionally created a reality where retards

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exist who will do horrible, heinous, destructive, foul,
awful things and never answer for it.
This is your God of justice, Christians, Can any of you
answer that? It's a little bit of a comical

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one. It's not that serious.
That's it's a tiny one out of mysalvo.
Think any of you could answer it?
Explain to me what perfect justice even is.
Come on, aren't there any righteous Holy Spirit filled

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apologists out there? I could take on some of my
arguments, maybe even the light ones, things that I cooked in a
car with Kenny for over a month that even he couldn't answer,

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You know, You guys know Kenny isbeing an incredible Christian
apologist. You all fucking destroyed him
too. And you'll gloat over it,
Christians. Never virtuous of the most
important of times, Kenny and I would discuss

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arguments that Christians wouldn't be able to answer, that
2000 years of Christianity haven't been able to really
sufficiently answer what the point is that really at the end
of the day, you're going to go whichever direction you choose

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to go. You're going to entertain which
evidence you want to entertain. You're going to lean in the
direction that strokes your emotion and your logic in just
the right way. You're going to lean with it
because you want to. Most of you don't dare tread in

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deep waters of theology or philosophy, or really spend any
time considering any of this stuff.
And maybe for the for many of you, that might be for the best.
The deeper in the water you go, the more likely you can be to
drown. Let the free gracers embrace me
as a brother atheist. Let's let's test their resolve

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to the consistency of their religion.
Once saved, always saved. Unless getting saved is so
complicated that I couldn't figure it out in 30 years of
studying theology. You guys say it's so easy and
simple to figure out and decide on and believe, and then you

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turn it into something that's soGod damn complex and impossible
that even people that have studied it for decades just
can't get it. But you got it.
Many of you got it. You know, Isaac was, you know,
Isaac said something so amazing in terms of his pure absolute
stupidity. He said within the last couple

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days since he adopted free grace, he finally felt the
presence of the Holy Spirit, finally felt the Holy Spirit
come and baptize him, and he's in the Holy Spirit.
So by what spirit was he judgingme by a week ago that he called
the Holy Spirit? I don't know, Maybe you can
figure it out. You all want to read hearts.

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You all want to engage in Cartesian knowledge.
You don't want to tell me you know shit.
You don't know anything. None of you know Dick.
Most of you don't even know the basics of Christian rowdy.
Most of you don't even know the Bible.
I mean most of you haven't even read it.
You just started watching YouTube videos.

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Just invent shit. Just invent shit.
You just come up with shit and you spew it out there like, well
it must come from the Holy Spirit.
No, it could from come from yourstupid retard unlurred,
uneducated fucking ass backwardsinbred fucking brain.
Could have come from there too. Not everything you dumb cunts

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speak is from the Holy Spirit, especially if it's contradicting
and nonsensical. I think God's smarter than that.
You don't know Dick, none of us really do.
But y'all act like you just got all the knowledge in the world

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but because you believe in God. What fucking higher tier do you
think that gives you epistemologically?
How do you know you followed theright epistemological pathway to
actually get to anything that istruthful?
What's your axiom? What's your groundwork?
Which prong of the Munchausen's trilemma do you appeal to, or do

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you think you've discovered a fourth?
Are you going to muddle ontologyand epistemology to try and
force some nonsense horseshit argument?

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This is this thing about, you know, narrow path.
I got an issue with the narrow path too.
I was just righteous and just, Imean, even the free gracers make
it super fucking complicated. And you got all these other
denominations and groups and here you are left out here to
meander it yourself. And what's the command of

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scripture? Well, to lean on the Holy
Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't just
work by some fucking talking voice in your head, it's in the
work of the church and the fellow brothers.
What does Isaac do? Well, Isaac runs to the fucking
robot. Isaac just suddenly decides to
stop trusting me and then runs to the robot, asks the robot to
judge me, and then goes with what the robot says.

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Shows thee trust the robot more than a spirit filled believer in
Christ. And he's going to call that
virtuous and righteous and led by God.
Because everything Isaac does isled by God, including judging
people by a robot. I don't want your God.
I don't right now. I don't want anything to do with
any of your gods. And you all got some fucking

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different one. At this point.
I've delved deep enough in the ocean of all this bullshit.
I've seen what you all have to offer.
At some level, it's just nonsense.
Thank you, Clay. Appreciate that.
Lovely. So I'm going to take a little

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break. I'm going to bring everyone in
the room. You guys can talk for a minute
and no, you can ask me questionsright away and I don't give a
shit if you like it or not. But you can all come in and you
can start engaging in a little bit of conversation with each
other while I excuse myself to be customer beverage and kisses

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to my wife. So I will be right back.
OK, I have something I have to say.
I have written something out here that I kind of want to
read. Their call, I see how hurt you

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are by this. Their call.
I see how hurt you are by this and their call.
I definitely feel your pain. I have struggled in the past by

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not telling the truth when people wanted me to tell the
truth. It's been documented on the
Internet over and over again howmuch a liar I am.
And I guess, I guess we are all sinners in the end.

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I think this week has been one of the most difficult weeks in
my search for God where I have seen people attacking Karl
because that is his name. Over and over again.

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I have seen him taking it upon him to be crucified for other
people's sin. I have seen that people have
used Karl in the way that I findnot only disgusting, disgraceful

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and hateful, but it is also thisheart of mine that I've seen
that the reason why I hate Christians is because I have
seen zero people coming to his aid.

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I'm not saying that people has not tried to help him.
I know that Ryan has been there.I know that Shep has been there.
I know that people has supportedhim.
That's not what I'm saying, but make it very I'm going to make
it clear that everybody's listening and this is no fucking

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lie. I really don't understand.
How I am supposed to believe in a God that treats someone the

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way the gods of Isaac, people like Mack and people even that I
have loved for a loved long timelike love to love God.
Oh, sorry. I never thought it would come to

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this, I never thought we would be here, but all you pointing
fucking fingers at one of the best people I have ever met,
that has been nothing but fucking gracious to you.
No wonder he's struggling with fate.

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No wonder he's struggling with finding his way.
There was this story that I heard when I was looking for
Christianity that a guy was standing on the top of his roof
when the flood was going on and he was praying to God that he

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needed help as someone in the boat come by and asked, hey, do
you want to jump on this boat? And then he said, no, I'm OK,
God will save me. Then the helicopter comes along
and say, jump on this line, we will help you.
But then he said, no, I am. I trust in God.

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Hello. Is it working?
When he died, he went to heaven and he said, oh, thank God, it's
working. Shut up, new me, I'm just
testing my mic here. And he said to Christ, why did I
die? I Jesus said, I sent a boat and

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I sent a helicopter. What were you were you thinking?
Well now I'm seeing someone standing on the roof shouting
help me now who the fuck will come with the boat?
Satan. Satan is going to come help him,
don't worry. Shut the fuck up to me.

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Who the fuck will come with a helicopter and who is going to
help Carl out of this? I have much more I wanted to
say, but this is what I wrote down.
I really do think that you need to stop pointing fingers at

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smoking and look yourself in thefucking mirror.
That's all I have to say. Thank you for that.
Amen. Not exactly.
I. Let me say this, all right?
I've been on this planet for almost 56 years.
I got saved when I was 16, and when I got saved I considered

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myself a Christian by definition.
I no longer define myself by a single word, but by terms I've
never seen in my time. A good Christian there are no

(02:04:08):
good Christians. I don't consider myself a
Christian. I now consider myself a follower
of Christ. Now you can say that Christian
is that definition, but I would rather go by the definition than
the actual word because the wordcan be manipulated and twisted

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meanings very seldom can be. People want to blame God for the
problems in the world, for theirown personal problems, their
their social problems. And the truth is, and nobody

(02:04:51):
seems to be able to swallow this, God's not at fault.
We are. We're the cause of our own
problems. And it's this free will that
gives us this. It's a choice.

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We all make a choice, period. You, you know, there's an old
song that says, you know, whether you make a choice or
not, you've still made a decision.
OK? We need to start looking at
ourselves instead of the person next to us, OK, There's a lot of

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childish behavior going on, and a portion of it are these people
who come in, who are they don't believe in anything greater than
themselves, OK? Those are the people that pretty

(02:06:02):
much will tell you who they are in the 1st 5 minutes of talking
to them. And you should avoid those
people. Don't avoid them in a way that
cuts them off completely, but cut them off and continue to be
an example. That's what we've called, you

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know, that's that's what we've been called to be is an example.
And that's not by calling out others faults.
That's by examining yourself, examining your own faults and
working on them. And you do that with the help of
others, by asking. This is a courtesy.

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Now Isaac wants to believe that the end all be all of what the
Bible teaches us is righteousness.
And I flat out refuse to believethat it's morality.
God teaches us how to be moral that and and morality is making

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the choice between good and bad decisions.
So in the end, it's accountability for yourself, for
your own choices, and for your own actions.
Now, all of this reminds me of when Jesus was helping Mary and

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a lot of people were picking up stones.
So if you're perfect, go ahead, pick up your stone.
If you're not, I would seriouslyconsider the actions that you're
about to commit and that you already have committed.
I love Smokey. I know who he is, and I find

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human a very intelligent, caringhuman being.
Now, if you're intimidated by that and you don't like it, oh,
well, that's all I got. Can I say something?

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So yeah, I'm. I haven't been able to follow
much lately, but I did get a quick debrief on it.
And 1st Smokey, I wanted to say I'm sorry about everything
that's been going on lately. I'm sure that's been really hard
on you. I'm not going to pretend to
fully understand it, but I understand what it's like to be

(02:08:44):
falsely accused of something. I think I've told you that story
before, haven't I? Yeah, it's really sad because
it, it's really, this isn't Smokey, but I think Smokey said
that he, he was going to take a break.
But yeah, it's really sad because me and Smokey were
having a great conversation lastnight on Dave's about, about

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scripture and, and, and we were,you know, studying scripture
together. And then today I, I, I see the
video title and I'm like, well, what happened?
Or maybe something happened prior to us having that
conversation. So, yeah, it's, it's sad.
It it's sad to see people who claim to be Christians or

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followers of Jesus that don't even keep to the teachings that
Jesus even taught. Yeah, I agree.
And I'm not going to lie, you know, I've had my own struggles
as well with other issues, you know, not just with defamation,
but many others. We've all got our own personal
stance to struggle with. But the question is, like you
said, are you willing to own up to it?

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Because there's something I don't tell a lot of people here,
but I used to go by logical Christian ministry, but I
stopped going by that name because it's associated with a
man that I was absolutely ashamed I had become, you know?
And yeah. Yeah.

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You know, it's funny. A lot of people want to, you
know, love their neighbor, as itsays in Matthew 5, but a lot of,
but a lot of people don't want to love their enemy.
And while loving your enemy and,and if Smokey is your enemy,
then and if you claim to be a Christian, then you should love
on him anyway. And, and what does that mean?

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Well, that would be first Corinthians 13, which and, and,
and what does it say love is? Well, it, it has many things,
but one of them is has no recordof wrongdoing.
If you truly love someone, you, you hold no record of any
wrongdoing that they have done to you.
That's called, that's actual forgiveness.
That's actual love. When when the two of you are

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done, I would like to have a turn.
I get it. I'll try to make it quick.
But actually this is something I'd rather wait for.
Whenever Smokey's ready to talk again, I'll just wait for him.
I am a man in a unique position because the same people, Bill
Cuthbert, Rob Reed, the attorneyat Law bar #180972GY6, AKA Brian

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Davis Brucifer, everyone knows about Teddy Bear.
Brucifer and others have for five years slandered me as APDF
file. I've had to put up with people
approaching me because Rob Reed himself, despite in 2020 when he

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defended me initially from ThickShade, Suck You Kim and Bill
Cuthbert's attacks on a stream still on his channel called
Silence Killed that kills the hate group boy that age well,
right Rob? But they are still to this very
day doing the same thing to me that they tried to do the Smokey

(02:12:05):
St. Not only so, but recruiting me
into that nonsense and trying torecruit anyone and everyone they
possibly could. Rob has done a Bill type of
situation. Bill does not, until recently,
call people pedophiles directly.It's funny because since he's

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been slandering Dave Connell forso many years, he'll call Dave
Connell privately APDF, but he won't say it publicly.
Robbery does much the same thingbecause he spread a rumor around
that my father sexually abused me, which, at least to me, did
not happen. It may have happened to other
people, allegedly. I cannot corroborate this.

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I understand to some level how Smokey feels on that front.
I also know for a fact since like some of you here, I've been
around for a long time and I remember the old Smokey St.
channel, the old Smokey St. debates and things that Smokey
did back in the day with logical, plausible, probable, or

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others where he made great contributions to the online
Christian community. And almost every single one of
those people from the old days, about 6 to 8 years ago, stabbed
him in the back in some capacityor another, standing for truth,
built his channel partly on the backs of people like Smokey, and

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then betrayed him. I also understand what Smokey's
talking about to a certain degree because some idiot James
opening the scroll, his introduction to me is I've
called the FBI and filed a report on you without even

(02:13:53):
looking into the situation. He then somewhat jumps into the
same campaign. Matt go on to this girl and Ryan
are are you bitching because somebody Brandon, I Brandon, I
am going to give you I am going to give you 1 and one warning
only. Go look up.
It's called witness tampering. Now you can shut the fuck up and

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get the fuck out of my way. No, no, no, no, no.
You're a clown show and what youdid was absolutely illegal in
every way, shape and form with Brandon.
You need to, you need to desist.You need to desist now, Brandon,
you, Brandon, you need to stop now.
Whatever I want to do, my friend.

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OK? Want to try to come at me with
any kind of legal action? Brandon, this is an ongoing OK?
I'm I'm about Brandon. Brandon.
Brandon. Brandon.
Brandon. Brandon, make sure you not.
Brandon. Hey, Brandon, shut up there.
Can you hear us now? Brandon?

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Brandon. OK.
Now would you appreciate it Brandon, that when it is your
time to talk that you will get to do so with no interruptions?
Would you appreciate that courtesy?
Well, I mean, he sounds like he's ready to cry.
Do you want I answer the question when it is your turn to
talk? Would you like me to provide the

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chance for you to talk uninterrupted due to some
impatient desert dwelling cunt rat not willing to wait for
someone to finish? Would you be willing to extend
the courtesy to others in the room?
Can you, for once in your wretched fucking existence,

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demonstrate some semblance of self fucking control and allow
the courtesy that you yourself would appreciate being extended
when it's your turn to talk? There I came on for a different
reason, but yes. And I would point out the irony

(02:16:07):
of the answer the question, cocksucker.
I said yes, douchebag, then shutthe fuck up.
Thank you Smoking asked and answered.
Ryan, you may continue. Thank you, Smoking.
I have had to put up with a unique amount of slander and
defamation from people. I've even had people tell me

(02:16:31):
that I should get stitches and they don't know what happened.
Nor can I legally discuss eventsthat happened recently because
it is an ongoing legal matter. And unlike some of you, like
this attorney in California or apparently Brandon, I don't want
to have to deal with obstructionof justice.

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So I'm going to finish my thought.
I understand in a unique position how Smokey feels,
especially with these newcomers sticking their feet into this
slander campaign. They have no idea the history of
Venius. They have no idea the kind of

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person Smokey is, and they are more than willing to throw out
any kind of Christian virtue to just express fucking Christian
virtue with me. Give me a break.
You are one of the most delusional people I've ever met.

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You know, I'm trying to show support here to somebody who is
apparently having a crisis of faith.
This is the bottom line man, andI'm trying to come in and
actually help him as a real brother.
The big problem is you. You Brandon.
You can wait until I have finished.
Brandon. I am not having it with you

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today. How Smokey was going to disprove
God to me. That's why I popped on.
That was the purpose. But go ahead, let's hear it.
You are an amoral sack of garbage and you can take that to
the back. Total douchebag fucking 8 year
old mental child. That's what you are.
You're a man baby. You still don't get it dude.

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This isn't about a debate on Goddude.
This is about understanding where Smokey is coming from.
Because not every person who stops believing is an awful
person. There are sometimes where it's
hard to blame them. Yes I don't yes, I'm not saying
I like it that Smokey is has turned away at this point, but
I'm trying to understand why because I'm not going to.
I know exactly why I'm trying tohelp.

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I want to help Smokey. As much as he fucking treats me
like shit, I there's still something in my heart.
So. Well then shut up.
You're not helping. How do you know I'm not helping?
Maybe I could help. You're not helping at all.
Could be clear for a moment. Just real quick.
I'm happy to disprove that your God exists in less than 5

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minutes. However, it is appropriate to
allow the flow of the room, for there's a lot of people that
came in here that I'm sure have something to say that we're here
longer than you. So again, I'm just wondering if
you can show some virtue and courtesy because you're not
exactly making a good impressionto me.
What the fuck do you think you're going to solve for me
exactly? Your God doesn't even fucking

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exist. And and when we're ready, we're
going to prove it. But the fact that you can't
develop any semblance of patience at all over this?
Do you have somewhere to be? Is there some old lady you're
misunderstanding by funneling your bullshit fucking referral
network? Am I taking you away from taking

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care of your ever decreasing number of dogs?
No, I do have work to OK and shut the fuck up and wait your
turn. That's fair, right?
I'm trying. Yep, but this is hard to
swallow. That's all.
Good boy, shut the fuck up. Good.
Proceed, gentlemen, please. I all I am attempting to state

(02:20:05):
is that I can empathize with Smokey in a unique way, and that
I, Smokey, I give you my solidarity no matter what the
case is, because I get it. I also understand that Christ
endured much the same thing, betrayed by all his apostles,
falsely accused and died an innocent man in his mortal life.

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I don't know if that means that you are denied Christ entirely
because there is a difference between Christ and Christianity.
I don't know where you were at with that, but I can understand
this. I think these newcomers are
completely immoral people. That was the point I was driving
at. What else was I going to say?

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I lost my train of thought sinceBrandon Irish does what Brandon
Irish does. Let me think for just a second,
I will be more than happy to show solidarity.
Proverbs 18 verse 13. A man that has friends must show
himself friendly and there's a friend who sticks closer than a
brother. Furthermore, I also announce

(02:21:13):
here and now that I will actually be in the state of
Pennsylvania and I may have to interrupt my vacation plans
because Brucifer will not stop cyberstalking me.
So I may just have to go pay a visit to a lawyer in the state
of Pennsylvania, not Rob Reed, who likes to practice outside of
his jurisdiction, consult on whether or not I should do that.

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So I'll be taking those considerations since the cyber
stalking is so very pervasive Now.
I was going to finish my thought, but since Brandon has
interrupted me then Oh well. I will address Brandon once and
then whoever else wants to talk can talk.
Brandon, I don't know what if you do and don't know, but this

(02:21:57):
is now an ongoing legal matter outside of my hands, your hands,
Smokey's hands, and I can't discuss it as such.
You have made some comments Brandon, that you really
shouldn't make. I would like to encourage you
not to continue making those comments.

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OK, Well, whoever, wait a second, Brandon.
Wait your damn turn in jail. Period.
Wait your damn turn, you ignoramus.
I think I speak for everyone saying that honestly.
You need to stop making certain comments, Brandon, because

(02:22:46):
honestly, I don't want to have to make a phone call to a
certain law enforcement agency now.
Whatever you need to do, Ryan, just keep digging that hole,
buddy. OK, I know exactly who I'm
calling back today. Go.
Whoever wants to talk, go ahead.Give a fuck, Brandon.

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Oh, no, I'm scared. I was 1.
I was wanting to wait until Smokey was listening because I
think I have something that might help him out with, you
know, everything that's been going on.
Because you're right, a lot of times people are always willing
to point the finger at everyone else and never willing to
examine themselves. But I don't know, I don't think

(02:23:31):
I've told you this story, Smokey.
I mean, I've told you I was having a hard time with a few
things a few years ago, right? I told you that, right?
No. OK, let's let's get your stuff

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out. I'll be here for a second to
listen. Go ahead.
There's room for one more in theroom.
Someone just dropped out. I don't know who the fuck it is.
Yeah, Remember, here's the thing.
There's a lot of people that want to join this.
The notification keeps coming upin the studios.
For once, once we're kind of done talking, at least at a
certain point, let's go ahead and bow out so other people can
pop in. All right, I'll step out in that
case. OK.

(02:24:12):
I appreciate it. Thank you.
All right, that's fine. OK, perfect.
OK, we're good. All right.
So anyways, you're not the only one who's had a hard time with
faith. Like, I'm not going to say
you're denying Christ or whatever.
I don't know where you stand exactly, but you're not the only
one who's had a hard time because I I went through a lot
the last I through a lot 5 yearsago.

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But what if I told you it was myown fault?
Because the truth is when I was still logical Christian, I, I
don't know if I'm allowed to sayit on YouTube.
I know I'm not allowed to say onTikTok so I'll spell it out.
But I got addicted to PORN and Iwas hooked on it for six years
and I got hooked on it until I was about 21, and that's when I

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finally got free. But in order for me to really
get free from it, I had to lose a lot.
My girlfriend found out about itand my best friends found out
about it after she broke up withme.
But The thing is, I've seen whataddiction does to people and
I've seen what how awful it is. And it actually made me do

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something that I thought I'd never do.
But I'll only tell you if you all promise not to judge me
because I'm not proud of it and it's hard to well, here's the
thing. Chaos.
I would, I'd tell you what, if you want to share that, let's
put that to Discord or somethingelse.
I don't want you putting that out here.
And whatever it is, just put it.Just put it on discord.

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It you're not Ryan might call the cops on you.
Let me be. Oh, no, it's not like that.
I I very much promise that none of you in this room are going to
have the ability to change my mind.
I pretty much can near absolutely guarantee you not
even really anyone in this chat probably or really anyone we
agree on something. What do you know?

(02:26:01):
Because you know why? You know, it's just it's just to
your fucking detriment, by the way, because you know, part of
my big issue here is the fact that I don't see the Holy Spirit
in any of these motherfuckers that claim Christ.
Really ultimately at the end of the day, in terms of like the
body, what does the body do? You know, this is the most
fucked up body I've ever seen inmy entire fucking life.

(02:26:22):
You know, you got fucking hands trying to stab feet.
You got, you know, fucking your knees, hitting foreheads.
You got elbows, you know, smashing around and banging
doorways. You got fucking forearms.
Shot the fuck off, Brandon. Real quick shot.
I don't give them all, Brandon. The way you fucking come at me

(02:26:43):
and all, Brandon, I fucking promise.
Hey, Brandon, shut up when he says shut up.
I'm the bouncy. I swear to you, shut up.
I promise you Brandon, I guarantee you Brandon, right
now, in front of the ever possible yet seemingly non
fucking existent God, I promise right now you're the last

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fucking person in this whole Goddamn world that's going to
convince me of shit. I'm only hoping to drop a seed,
baby. Well, you're not dropping
anything. You're killing the seed.
You know what you're dropping? You're dropping the serpent seed
because the serpent had sex witheven he passed it down to Jesus,
according to you, and you got ittoo.

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So we don't want your seed from the serpent.
So keep it. I'm just going to go.
Can I talk? Can I message you later, Smokey,
and tell you more about That's fine, dude, whatever.
I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just trying to show you I
understand where you're coming from.
Even if I I get where you're coming from.
Chaos, I apologize. I love you, buddy.
I'm not, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not in that right headspace

(02:27:47):
right now. I'm just, I don't know what else
to tell you. Yeah, it's okay, I understand.
Just go ahead and drop me. I'll go ahead.
I'm not mad at you. I just just to be clear, I'm not
like upset with you or anything.So I know you're not I know you
just been going through a lot lately.
I haven't really been able to follow closely because that's
OK. Well, I know you're busy in New
York school. I hope school goes well.
It's really hard to get in because you always go live when

(02:28:10):
I'm working and it's like it's like this was one of those times
where it's like OK, I got to be here somehow.
So anyways, but go ahead and drop me from now.
You can, I'll let someone else come up.
But you know, man, OK, I, I, I appreciate you, Chaos.
Go ahead and message me Discord.You can on Facebook, but I don't
check it as often. So Discord is about if you're

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still in the server. So all right, man, whatever
happens, I may not necessarily like your choice, but I'm not
going to condemn you for it, man.
Well, well, that's at least somefucking semblance of tiny sliver
of ray of light, of Christian virtue in this cesspit of
bullshit. So thank you, Chaos, at least
for that, right, because that's just that's what you got to do

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is you can say to someone you don't have to like their choice,
but you should also not lie about it either.
They're still right in a wrong way to be truthful.
All right, I'll see you later. Take care, buddy.
Thank you. No problem.
So my question is, Smokey, I'm I'm sorry, I'm going to step
down too. But Smokey, you have my phone

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number and that shows how much Itrust you.
I am here for you. And I have incredible amount of
air space. So I love you, bud.
I'll be around. I appreciate you, buddy.
Have a good day. All right, there's really.

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I know all of you have been trying to get in.
There's room again, So if you want to spot, take it now.
OK, Who wants to go next? I guess I do.
I do. Fine, Brandon, go ahead.
Yeah, of course I do, because wow.
Brandon said. That's what I just said.
Brandon shot up. What?
Brandon? OK, so why is it that you and

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Dave seem to constantly have these little episodes of faith
and wanna, you know, blame all of maybe we were never saying
everybody, maybe we were never saying.
But the point is, is the point is, though, is you know, that's
a problem that we should take a look at and and you know, this
is where for you to help me lookat what things I think about.

(02:30:16):
Who the fuck are you? I'm just a brother.
Leave her conspiracy under the sun.
I'm, I'm, I'm, are you going to convince the see contract?
I'm trying to help you. I'm I'm I'm out of love.
I'm saying this is, Hey, man, I've noticed a pattern here with
you having your ball go down anda guy pulls up in a fucking raft
dinghy that's fucking sinking and says, here, let me help you

(02:30:37):
out, Sir. Look, man, I know me.
I'm just, I just thought, wait aminute.
Let me just let me request a little clarification.
Just a little clarification fromBrandon.
What's the problem again with meand Smokey?
Be a little bit more specific because I need to review this.
I don't even know what it is. Has anybody in the 10 years of
fucking YouTube land ever heard me sit there and I don't know if

(02:31:00):
they believe me anymore. It's everybody else's fault.
Never, ever wait a minute, what's what's the problem with
me and Smokey? Can you be specific?
You guys have these episodes where you're battling with your
faith. And this is because if you have
not the doctrine of Christ, you have not God, if we don't,

(02:31:21):
battling to our feet. So it sounds like we have faith.
Do we have it or not? You have a wavering faith.
So we have faith though, but it's wavering.
Yeah. That's is that enough faith or
do we need more than that? No, I'm serious.
You better watch what you say tome right now because I'm on
task. So do we have faith or not?

(02:31:46):
That's do you. I mean, do you?
Because right now you're saying,well, you're the one that's
examining us. You're the one with all the
answers you claim to know. Brandon.
There's the problem, Brandon. What does James chapter one say?
What does James Chapter 1 say exactly?
What does it say? Go ahead.
Yeah, pull. Pull it out.
Let's hear it. We're not going to cut any

(02:32:06):
quarters here. The news units on fucking
OverDrive and you better watch out 'cause I ain't no dummy.
I stood around here and act likeI am sometime, but I'm going to
pull on. You're not dumb right now, Dave.
Dave, you're not dumb. We know so.
So James Chapter 1 says count itall joy when you fall into

(02:32:27):
diverse temptations for it is the trying of your faith.
So what Smokey or, or what someone else might, might,
might, might be going through could be a temptation and their
faith could be, could be being tried right now.
So yeah, I would say that they have faith.
Yeah. I think what's happening, in my
opinion, what is happening rightnow is, is Smokey is having a

(02:32:51):
conflict of his. He has a very strong intellect,
but he has a problem with his faith because, you know, no,
there's no problem with his faith.
That, that that's the issue. There's no issue with his faith.
His faith is being tried right now.
Doctrine. That's the difference.
Doctrine. Yeah.
Doctrine is always the issue here.

(02:33:12):
You have not. Yeah, The Bible is very clear.
If you don't have the doctrine of Christ, you have not the
Father. You have not the Son.
Hey, Brendan, let me ask you a question.
How many people in the Bible wrestled with God?
Jacob, would you say those same people have wavering faith?
No, I don't. I don't.

(02:33:33):
I don't see that. They just wrestle with God,
right? They that that because they had
so much faith, they had to fightthem.
What? I'm pointing.
Yeah. But if you're going to, if
you're going to use that, if you're going to use that line of
reasoning, you also have to admit that there's plenty of
scriptures that point out the imperfection of the Saints
within the church too. So.
Which means that you're going tohave the churches.

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See, I I've always said that within the one big problem with
the church is that there's too many damn humans in it.
That's the problem. And what do I mean by that?
Yeah, there's there's there's humans in it.
That's the only problem with thechurch.
Oh, humanism. I got you.
No, no, no, not humanism. Humans meaning that we are
flawed creatures. You're always going to see

(02:34:17):
somebody next to you in the Pew who you don't like, who you
don't get along with or who's going to, you know, you know,
bring you into situations such as what we see, you know, Smokey
going through right now. Did you say, did you say I had
these episodes, plural type thing of like departing the
faith or something like that? Like, is that what you just said

(02:34:38):
to me? Is there anyone else in the room
or the side chat that can ever remember a time that I ever
threatened or started? Not once.
I was leaving the faith that youever threatened.
What? Not once.
That's why I'm confused. Because this is.
This is not this. Yeah, this is not.
Well, that girl would have to believe.

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I would. Here we go.
Here we go. After believing for 30 years,
that's what. Here we go.
Well, you are at the same time, I would say too, I'll come back
and then it'll mean I actually was always saved and he won't
know until the very end, which is why it's better, but he won't
accept that. That's that's my position.
So you'll reap what you'll sow issue is what we're having right

(02:35:23):
now. I'm not Tucker.
Tucker thinks that you can know who who saved them.
I'm saying the Smokey is Smokey.You are the most uncordial
motherfucker I've ever met. You fucking attack people just
bam, the first night I ever evenfucking met you, you just
totally blasted me and I was just like what?
You know, Brandon, The one thingI would hope, Brandon, I would

(02:35:44):
hope that if you truly had been in business, as long as you say
you haven't worked with as many people as you claim you have,
and I certainly have as well. I think you would appreciate
that. If you're any type of
intelligent, which I get that you're not, but I'm assuming you
were, just just bear with me, walk on my path for a minute.
If that was the case, people in terms of their various walks of

(02:36:06):
life, where they came from, their cultures, their views,
their standpoints, all of these things would start to register
with you. You'd get used to things that
they like, they don't like, things that build confidence,
trust, you know, things that, you know, reach out to them.
You know, a way to almost be like a social chameleon in order
to, you know, give a sense of empathy and connection for them
to be willing to trust you and an activity and then to do your

(02:36:29):
darnedest and your good ethics to treat them well with that
trust that you've cultivated. And that's supposed to be what
Christian businessmen should do.And at this stage in my life,
Brandon, a lot of these people have become incredibly
transparent to me. I get you guys and I can usually
figure it out pretty quickly. Brandon, you, I know, are a man

(02:36:53):
in the middle of a midlife crisis who has attempted to
develop some sort of weird fringe crazy doctrine that only
you yourself have found and you yourself have discovered.
I'm not the even Peter Ruckman talking about this.
And give me a break. That makes you special amongst
mankind so that you can develop some sort of value at this
stage. And you're absolutely completely
worthless garbage shit pile of life.

(02:37:14):
I get it. That's fine.
Isaac, for example, is someone who is the vampire that has to
count every kernel of rice before he can move on.
Every single little iota of critique or condescension or or
calling him an error or anythingin the like.
He has to hyper fix it in every single one of them and count
every single one dealt with and answered as it comes along,

(02:37:37):
making it very easy for him to overload and destroy.
I'm telling you all of this now because if I decided to
implement it, he's so out of control he still wouldn't be
able to stop me even though he knows exactly what I just said,
that this is what I would use todestroy him.
I have all of you mapped out. I'm not going to get into the
nitty gritty of necessarily every single one of you, but I

(02:37:58):
do assure you Brandon, if we've had one conversation of any
significant length, let alone 2,I have figured you the fuck out
and I have figured you out. You may not like and, and, and
the more validation you get, themore toxic your influence
becomes and I just haven't been willing to stand for right now.

(02:38:20):
You can convert as many people. You can convert as many people
to your crazy serpent seed KJV only you want to have a debate
on the issue, should we? You, You know what I mean?
If I have such a flawed doctrine, then we can debate the
issue if you'd like. Well, we've done that many
times, Brandon. We've no, we haven't.

(02:38:42):
We, we've had to deal, Brandon. You know, I, I last time we had
the issue of you claiming God authors evil.
We had that issue you know, because again, you don't know
anything. You don't have any.
I don't understanding what you've done is to create evil.
Shut up grandma by you're on a mission.
All you've done is trained an AIto adopt your worldview and spit

(02:39:05):
out arguments which then you trained AI to find logical,
disgusting, biblical, immoral, low thinking man with no sense
of pride or integrity. I am disgusted by you
thoroughly. You got me all figured out then
you are completely transparent to me.

(02:39:27):
And the more you want to push Brandon, I promise you, the more
I'm going to notice. And why do I give a shit, right?
Why should I give a fuck anymore, right Brandon?
You think I could be harsh before?
Motherfucker, What? What do you think happens when I
throw all moral compassing out the fucking window because it's

(02:39:48):
all bullshit and no one follows it anyway?
What then? Do you think I got a man to have
a fucking complete emotional breakdown over an ice cream
cone? What the fuck do you think I
could do to the rest of you? I don't think you could do Fuck,
I'm sick of the bull. You can.
You can go with your verbal. You are.

(02:40:09):
I don't give a fuck. That's me.
I do have the argument that the power of don't give God doesn't
matter. I smoking you want it?
You want the argument, bitch? You want to shut your fucking
mouth and hear it? No, you want to talk over.
You don't want anyone to hear it.
So when no one comes to listen to your bullshit garbage fucking

(02:40:29):
one viewer channel, dumb, wretched, thieving, conniving
fucking cunt you are Brandon. You don't even follow your own
doctrine. You're an oh fuck.
You're just trying to attack youand fucking stop, OK?
You're a fucking lying, thieving, grifting stack of

(02:40:54):
subhuman shit, Brandon, and everyone fucking knows it.
That's why you can't get anchored to any truth.
You don't believe any fucking crazy thing that you can come
across. You're sick.
That's hilarious fucking and youthink you know me.
You think you got me all figuredout.
Is hilarious crazy conspiracy theories all over the place.

(02:41:16):
Every single one. Your holy theory is teaching you
to believe serpent seed and thatthere were no Christians that
that had any Bible until 1611 and you're going to present ever
said that every Christian in the1st 1600 years of Christianity
went to hell because they didn'thave a full contract?
Oh wait no they do. I'm going to throw my old

(02:41:38):
doctrine out the window but still claim to be defending it.
Brandon fucking Irish. No, There you go.
Your God doesn't exist because your God doesn't make any
fucking sense. There was always scriptures.
All of the scrolls and parchments.
We've been over this. You're fucking weaving another

(02:41:59):
false narrative. Yeah, but have you read the
scrolls, Brandon? At yourself?
Have I read the Bible? No.
The scrolls. You talk about scrolls.
I hadn't read them. OK, I've read the Bible.
No. Have you read the holes?
It's a yes or no. All the Have you read the
original manuscripts Exactly? No, I have not.

(02:42:22):
OK. Wow.
Wait a minute. You haven't touched you.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
See, This is the thing that really pisses me off about you,
Brandon. You come in here condemning
people about King James only. Yeah.
You have never, ever looked at any of the original manuscripts
yourself. You have absolutely no authority

(02:42:42):
whatsoever. You need to sit down and shut
your mouth. Nobody should listen to you if
you haven't even touched any of the original manuscripts itself.
And, and, and like I asked you before, how many textual
variants? Wait a minute, Brandon.
Let me ask you a simple questionthat anybody who claims to know
about this whole issue should know.

(02:43:04):
How many textual variances are there between the manuscripts
that have been found? How many?
I don't know how many. Oh my gosh, you don't even know
that. What?
And I'm low, dude. I'm low hanging fruit.
And I know this. OK, go for it.
Let's hear it. 400,400 thousand.You don't believe me?

(02:43:25):
Go look it up. Go look it up.
What does that happen? But you don't even know that, do
you? Come on, man.
These little boys. Oh, yeah.
And by the way, let me just put out a a matter.
Let me just put out a special, aspecial message here for the
audience. Yeah.
You know, Bob is an idiot, Becco.

(02:43:47):
You're behaving like a fucking child.
So, you know, no, I'm just it just kind of pisses me off.
You're always talking about KingJames only this King James only.
But you don't even know the basics.
I do too, dude, You know what I'm saying?
Do I fucking? You don't know.
You have no ability. Where's your video?
Where's your documentary? How is that relevant?
How is that relevant? You're fucking dumb.

(02:44:08):
How is it relevant? Well, we're talking about the
crisis of faith here, you know it just, it just sounds you just
sounds stupid, that's all. You don't even know the basic
arguments, man. You would get your butt
demolished. Do you even know who Bart Erman
is? Do you know who Bart Ehrman is?
I, I would love to see you get into a debate with a guy like

(02:44:29):
him. He would wipe your butt across
the floor with it. You would have no argument with
it. Even James White, who studied up
on this topic way more than you little bit, had a little bit of
a run for his money in that debate.
You have absolutely no power, noability.
You didn't even know how many textual variances there are

(02:44:51):
between the manuscripts, man. No, you don't, because you don't
know anything either. So stop pushing this legalistic
garbage on people, man. Yeah, you don't know shit
because you are a fucking if I don't, if I don't know anything,
how is it that I just schooled you on something that you didn't
even know about? How?

(02:45:12):
Well, how come you didn't know about how many textual variances
there are? You're dummy.
Legal legalism. Leave the legalism alone, man.
Nobody needs the King James. I love the King James.
It's my favorite translation, but it's not salvific.
Just leave it alone. Leave it alone.
Leave it alone, leave it alone. You don't believe in the King
James. You don't believe in it.

(02:45:33):
But anyway, why? Your doctrine's fucked up.
You don't even know what doctrine I have, you dummy.
I do. I No, you don't spell doctrine.
You don't even know how to spellit.
DOCTRIA. Shut.
Shut up. I didn't ask you to.
I know it, you dumb ass. You just said ass.
Spell it. Yeah.
I didn't tell you to spell it. I said you don't know how to

(02:45:53):
spell it. But anyway, OK, man, I spelled
it for you. There you go.
Oh, gosh. Anyway, I just want you know,
anyway, listen, this this King James only ISM is is ridiculous.
It's stop. Let's get back to the topic.
Let's get back to the topic. Let's get back to the topic.
That's why you would never get into a debate with anybody about

(02:46:15):
this topic because you would getdemolished.
You would you would get demolished.
When was the last time you got into a debate about this?
When when did you like the decade?
When do you want to debate? Anytime.
You Where's your documentary, man?
Where is it? I want to see it.
You said you you said five months ago that you had a
documentary. Get ready, Vac hall.

(02:46:36):
Where is I'm still waiting to see it as I've already posted my
book. Is that what you're talking
about in this? No, no, you said you had a
video. You said you had a video, not a
book. If you go to the I put the
fucking link in the fucking chatwhen we were chatting and is it
there now 'cause I'd like to seeit on the it's on the channel
that I set up a YouTube channel called the Why?

(02:46:57):
Why don't you, why don't you give us why don't you give us
the the link right now? Don't run.
Just give us the link. OK.
James White verse. Yeah, Jill put an aside in the
private chat. James White versus Brandon.
Oh my gosh. It's not versus Jill.
James White. It would be James White
demolishes Brandon Irish. Brandon Irish Don't know Jack
squad about this topic or even Iyou're a fucking trip.

(02:47:19):
He he would he would get he would get his butt handed to him
even by Bert. Bart Ehrman.
Come on. Bart Ehrman would destroy you.
He would Bart Ehrman. Bart Ehrman would decimate you.
Bart Ehrman would decimate you. All you do is have an appeal to
a motion. I don't know if I don't know if
Bart Ehrman would decimate you in a debate.

(02:47:39):
And he's not even a believer. I mean, any liberal would
decimate any Christian in in debate.
Here we go. Any knowledgeable Christian,
Here you go. Here you go.
And by the way, Smokey, I wantedto say something to you and you
can take this as a in the private chat, dip shit.
There you go. And and look at when I wrote,
when I did this video, how many fucking years ago, retard?

(02:48:03):
And you want to say I haven't studied the matter out?
You're just being an ignorant child.
I didn't say that you haven't studied that.
I said that you don't know what you're talking about.
And I think that you'll be any argument against the King James
any day of the week. Anybody ever.
Oh, I got to see that. I got to see that I will fucking
lay you out. Look at that.
Look at that. See you don't even understand

(02:48:27):
how these other bibles you touchyourself when you say that as
you're fucking blind. I bet you touch yourself when
you say that. Now you went to an 8 year old.
But anyway. But anyway, I just wanted to say
something to Isaac. You're a fucking child.
I just want to say OK, yeah, youyou're good, you're good.
You are. I don't want to say.
OK, good. You're good.
You're good. I just wanted to say something

(02:48:47):
to look at it. He can't.
He can't stop. He can't stop.
He can't stop. Look at him.
Look at look at him. Act like a man, baby.
You're acting. You're little man baby.
Little baby. He can't stop it.
I can Shut up. Stop it.
I'm trying to. I'm trying to talk to Smokey
now. I'm done with you, OK?

(02:49:08):
This ain't the Brandon show. How about it?
How about it, little boy? Hey Brandon, can you explain the
book of Job to me? You don't even know how to spell
it. Sure I can.
Oh I know. I wouldn't know how to spell it.
I'd be right like a fucking 5 year old.
Now this is supposed to be aboutSmokey's situation there, but he

(02:49:29):
behaves like a grown man. Smokey said he'll be right back.
Can you handle it Vecco? Can you behave like a grown up
for a minute? That's you.
I told you. Let's drop it.
I want to talk to Smokey, but you just have to keep getting
the last word like a like a damn9 year old because you're a
little baby. You're acting like a little

(02:49:51):
baby. Projection.
I know you are, but what am I? That's the game you're playing.
OK, OK. You done.
Are you done? Are you done?
Are you done now? OK, You want to get the last
word? Go ahead.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
Get the last word. Go ahead.
I'll let you get the last word, man.
Baby, go ahead. Well, yeah.
Will you let me get the last word?
Go ahead. Go ahead.
Get the last word. Go ahead.
Thanks. I will go ahead Soon as you're

(02:50:12):
ready to shut the fuck up. Go ahead.
No, we're waiting for you. Go ahead.
Are you? Are you going to sit there and
say go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. 20 more, brother.
Go ahead. We're waiting for you like a
child again. You are.
How long are you going to say? How long are you going to do our
fucking pathetic? Yeah, you're pathetic.

(02:50:33):
OK. Yeah, I'm pathetic.
OK, Can we move on now? I got you 'cause you got fucked
up. OK, OK, good.
So now. So now that we're done, I'm
pathetic according to Brandon. So anyway, now there he is.
He can't control himself. He can't control himself.
Look at him. He can't control.
He can't control himself. You're cute little sound effects

(02:50:59):
'cause you are a child. Hello, Candace.
How's it going? Hey, Reko, How are you?
It's good to see that you made it safe to wherever you are now.
OK. Yes.
Yeah. People are worried about you for
a little bit. Don't worry about me.
It was a long fly, though. Yeah. 22 hours.

(02:51:19):
No, wait, wait. 20 hours. Can you believe that?
Flying from one time zone to thenext?
Yeah, what I wanted to say was about, and again, Smokey might
get mad. I don't care.
I'll say it anyway. I I'm having a really tough time
because I have a but. But now after listening for the
past, you know, 30 minutes, OK, I'm convinced that what, what's

(02:51:44):
going on with Smokey is, is real.
It's the real deal. He's going through, as Ryan
calls it, a crisis of faith. That's what it sounds like to
me. The only thing that I'm having a
real tough time with, and I kindof agree with Brandon on this as
much as it makes me sick to my stomach to agree with this guy.

(02:52:05):
But one thing I do slightly agree with Brandon on is I, I,
I, I'm having a tough time understanding.
Shut up. I'm having a tough time
understanding. Why it there?
There does seem to be a little bit of finger pointing here and
froze said something earlier tooand it he's definitely emotional

(02:52:27):
when he said it, but I still I Ihave I have a serious problem
with it. I as I kept putting it on the
side chat. I don't understand why the focus
on this this little bitty man named Isaac, who is everybody in
his community knows that he is 90% of the time incoherent with
a lot of his his defense to his own position.

(02:52:50):
I've had discussions with him onoccasion where there's a lot of
over talking, just like we see with Brandon sometimes, OK?
And even in the most recent discussion I've seen with with
Isaac and Smokey, that video that Smokey played of them
having that private conversation, Isaac seemed to be

(02:53:10):
contradicting himself constantly.
And he does this many, many times in the past too.
He's constantly inconsistent andcontradicting himself and yeah,
he keeps talking as if he has something really, really
powerful and profound for to getacross to the to the universe.
And so to me, that's just my opinion.

(02:53:32):
You can get mad at me if you want fro Smokey whoever.
I just don't understand why are we pointing fingers at him and
little him as if not just him. I know it's you have issues.
So do you mind if I ask that? Very.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because it just seems to me Isaac is so insignificant to the
to all of this. Yeah.
Shakespeare. I am going to answer very, very

(02:53:54):
quickly. And I will say that I think that
Isaac was just the last drop in a very, very fucking big bucket.
I don't, OK, I got you. I got you.
It's it's it's not that it's Isaac specifically.
It's just that Isaac was the last one that kind of made the

(02:54:15):
water flow over. So no, well, I'm not pointing
especially on him, but I'm saying that he is a part of it.
It's a huge fucking bucket. I'm just saying that he is a
very, very small drop in it. And I like I said in my

(02:54:36):
introduction that it was a very emotional and I do agree to
that, is that it's this. It's not the one person.
It's like it's like playing collection all on the team with
one keeper that is Smokey and like 100 people on the other

(02:54:57):
side that is trying to to shoot goal on them.
And the The thing is like when you get tired of jumping after
the ball, after a while, goals will start.
Will just set it right there. Will Freeman just left the
killer comment. Well, I, I, I understand that,

(02:55:19):
you know, for everybody's different.
Everybody has their own limitations and stuff.
Well, well, Brandon, with all due respect, you have to
respect, you know, just because you might have a certain level
of tolerance that, you know, that doesn't mean every other
person who professes to be of faith possesses that same level
of tolerance. I mean, you should even know

(02:55:40):
what what Romans 12 even suggests is that everybody has a
different measure of faith. So you should at least keep that
in mind if you're going to startmaking fun of.
Yeah. That's why we should be.
Yeah. Why we should be sharpening iron
because guess what? You're going to be way harder
than this, folks. Exactly.
Yeah, absolutely. You're over this silly little

(02:56:01):
shit that you ain't going to make it.
I agree with you on that. You ain't going to have a faith
that endures. And that's why I want to say I'm
kind of hitting back at you fro yes, I listen, I understand.
You know, I think there's a little bit of psychology behind
this to, you know, if you got constantly people back and
forth, you know, bothering you, putting all these false, false

(02:56:23):
accusations against you, you know, you know, there's a
boiling point for but that, you know, that's for every
individual. Not for every person, obviously,
but that's the same. Okay, that's fine.
But see, all you're doing is pointing out.
All you're doing, though, by pointing that out, though,
Brandon, is the imperfection that we all as humans in the

(02:56:43):
church possess imperfection. There's no one perfect in the
church. Brandon.
Brandon, you're right in pointing out.
You're right. I think I where I partly agree
with you and Brandon, you're right, and you should be
pointing out. OK, listen, you know, you might
have a problem with this. Maybe you should check yourself
first before you start pointing other fingers.

(02:57:05):
I agree with you on that. OK, But you also have to
respect. But how many?
OK, I'm sorry, but how many fingers am I supposed to have in
my face? That's where you you have
passions like First Second Corinthians.
So record. Record.
If if you hit me, is it up to meto tell you how much it hurts?

(02:57:25):
Are you? Yeah, you should.
Why not? I don't understand your analogy.
If if you hit me and you say sorry and I start crying, is it
up to me to tell you how much ithurt or for you?
Well, if I'm a Christian, I havethe obligation to first of all,

(02:57:47):
not do that. But even if I did do that, I
have the obligation to repent and apologize to you.
Yeah. So that that that's The thing is
like people are eating, smoking over and over again and just
trying to say that, oh, we have the right to hit him over and
over again and when smoke is done, but actually tries to

(02:58:10):
protect himself, people attacks,attacks.
I don't have a problem with him protecting himself.
Now, now, now, now I will. I'm just saying that I, I, I
love it when people are calling people other people weak because
of that. But some people don't have a
tolerance for that. That's that's why that's the

(02:58:31):
part that I agree with you, however, though to blame
Christianity on this to me that seems like a cop out in my
opinion, because all you're doing is you're looking at
individuals, flawed individuals within the Bible.
How many, how stupid, how many people Vekl is getting to the
point like why would you? If I say something to God thing,

(02:58:54):
Oh my God, Brandon, I swear to fucking God how many people I've
seen on my account. Oh, I can do whatever I fucking
want to. How about that?
Yeah. So how many people is the last
point on my account? Oh, I will do that in the name

(02:59:17):
of Jesus Christ. That blasphemy.
Come on now. You ain't got to do that, fro.
Come on. So how many people is it
supposed to take? How many people?
So you, you tell me what is my threshold?
Since you're Vecco, Vecco, you're here to condemn me for my
threshold. How am I supposed?
How many am I? Is it?

(02:59:38):
I'm not here to condemn you. I'm just trying to point out I'm
doing what Brandon's doing. And and this is the part of
Brandon that what Brandon is saying that I agree with.
I, I think we are forgetting thefact that the Bible points out
that they one of the aspects of the church, one of the functions
of the church is to bring comfort to one another.

(02:59:58):
And I think we're in in a way, what Smokey's doing right now
with this stream is good. I think it's good medicine.
He's opening up the door for people to come in and bring
counsel to him. But what I don't appreciate
though, is guys like you fro coming in here and you kind of
throwing fire to the to the fuelto the flame by condemning
Christians. You even look what look what
your look what your avatar thing, says I.

(03:00:21):
Yes, Christian. OK, fine.
Do you Are you here to help in ain a spiritual way or you just
want to say you know what Smokey?
I'm going to join you. I hate the church too.
I hate Christian. I have had this long before
fucking smoking started it. OK, now why is that so?
So Smokey was your little straight.

(03:00:41):
So, so wait, so Smokey was your straw that burned the camel's
back. I mean, you had all this bottled
up, but now all of a sudden you want to come out and say, I hate
Christians too because you see Smokey doing it.
Is that is that what's going on?No, but because I see that
Christians are condemning him and hitting him.
OK, let's talk about that. Oh my God, can you?
I'm only saying his doctrine's fucked up and that's why he's

(03:01:04):
having a problem, because his doctrine's fucked up.
That's it. OK.
If he would fix his, get his doctrine straight, whatever.
What doctrine are you talking about, Brandon?
What doctrine? The doctrine of Christ.
The doctrine of Christ. Have you asked Fro what he
believes? Right.
I already know what Fro believes.
I've listened. What is Fro believe?
Then? What is fro?
I'm. I'm not I'm not in God.

(03:01:25):
Yeah. Not in God like I How do you
know he doesn't believe in God? How do you know that?
Did he tell you that many times?Yes.
Did he say that recently? I haven't talked to him.
Like, you know, I don't know what you would consider.
See, you don't know what you're talking about.
Well, define, define recently, man.
What froze right here. Why don't you talk to him in a

(03:01:45):
year? I would say the last half year
I've been constantly saying I believe in God.
Yeah, I have a question. OK.
What about Jesus? Yeah, I believe in Jesus.
Hey, Jared, your mic sounds likeyour.
Yeah, your mic is totally like you're underwater.

(03:02:06):
Yeah, I'm just simply saying. So I'm not allowed to point out
when people are are hitting my brother.
I love that you say that. Of course you can.
OK, I'm not saying that you can't do that.
But let me hate them, though. No, can't do that.

(03:02:27):
OK, well, I will. That's not that's not biblical.
Well, I you can disassociate yourselves from them saying, you
know what, this guy, I don't like this guy.
I'm gonna give you a perfect example of people I wouldn't let
you know you're in your emotionsright now.
I understand that. Yeah, I don't care.

(03:02:48):
I know that. Yeah, but, but, but I'm not
going to sit here and say, I mean, Smokey opened up the room
for everybody to come in and andshare their different opinions
because I right now I don't care.
OK, well, let's move the fuck onthen.
Beckel, if I may, Brandon, can I, can I give a word to Smoke,

(03:03:08):
if I may? Sure, I appreciate that.
I don't think Smoke is he's awayfrom the mic right now, but
he'll I'm sure he's listening. Yeah, as long as, you know, as
long as he gets to hear it sometime, that'd be great.
So I, I commiserate with you, Smokey, and you know, and I'll
offer support if you need any support.

(03:03:30):
You're welcome. Never come over to my channel,
you know, Discord or e-mail or whatever and we can talk.
But I do want to offer a historical argument that I think
you should think about. If, if you know, I don't think
maybe there's a crisis of faith,maybe you already know this, but
I will offer a three pronged consensus view of the, the

(03:03:53):
historosity of Jesus Christ. So firstly, it's, it's a, it's a
consensus view that he did existhistorically and that's
indisputable, except for, you know, a few friends, fucking
retards like Richard Carrier. And then also the cross too.
That's, that's another consensusview.

(03:04:15):
And I have a citation for that, that he, he, he died on the
cross. It was crucified.
We have external sources out there that demonstrate he, even
the Talmud has that he was crucified.
But the Romans 2. And that is also a consensus
view. And the third, the third prong
is the resurrection. I had Gary Habermas, one of the

(03:04:35):
top New Testament scholars out there.
He, he did a survey among the the top PhD scholars that that
had like a terminal degree at least and he came to an 80%
consensus view on that, that he has that there was a historical
resurrection on their works. So it, it appears that even in

(03:04:58):
the, the most like prestigious New Testament scholars,
historians come to the agreementthat the resurrection is
historical. So I to me, that's pretty
persuasive. Anyone out there that thinks
Christianity is false, you're going to have to deal with the,
the, the historosity of Jesus Christ, his, his existence, his

(03:05:22):
death, and also his resurrection.
So obviously with there, I, I, I, I know Smokey's too smart to
be an atheist. And that's, you know, I hope he
gets out of that. Yeah, I'll just leave it there.
Thank you so much, guys. But the problem I praise is, is
how people are acting. Oh, I know.
I agree, man. It's, it's totally, it's, it's

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bonkers crazy, man. I, I, I, I understand.
I mean, I, I, I'm sure you have heard it.
When I asked Isaac why he's calling it Smokey pedo, it's
because he was acting like 1. Because I like how people say
that about Smokey. They're being retarded.

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It's disgusting. Of course it's disgusting.
That's why you don't call them brothers.
An evening like that you don't call them.
You don't call people like that brothers.
Then how many are non brothers? Before I say it's false, then
you say what's false? Christianity.
What? Yes, Oh my gosh, are you really

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asking me that question from So wait a minute, are you going to
tell me that Christianity is false because you got
12345678910 people picking on you calling you names?
Are you serious people? How many people are not going to
act like who cares the Bible says that all sinned and falling

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short of the glory. Are you not familiar with
Mormon's life? Well, how many record fro fro?
This is why you need to get discipled and you need to get
into a church because you don't know what you're talking about.
Everything you're saying right now is easily answered in the
Bible. It doesn't matter how many.
You put your faith and trust in God and you associate yourselves

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with people who you believe and know are true believers of Jesus
Christ, whether they're Calvinists or Free Grace or
whatever. If they have a true, strong
faith of Jesus Christ, you stickwith them.
You stick with it. You stick with the faith for at
least those people and not because you got a couple of
bozos on here who don't have theability to defend their belief

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out of a wet paper bag. What?
Not a couple. It doesn't matter how many Jesus
remember what Jesus said in John15 to his disciples.
He says if the world hates you, remember that it hated me first.
The world hates you because it hates me.
So even if you have other individuals who call themselves

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Christ, but yet all they do is have ministries of of hate and
destruction. What do you do?
Remember the words of Jesus Christ in John 15 and you treat
those bozos who want to just do nothing but call people
pedophiles and all this other garbage because they don't have
anything else better to do with themselves.
You dust the sand off your feet with those people and you give

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it up to God. You turn them over to Satan
because they have nothing. They they can't do anything for
you except destroy your faith. That's it.
Don't curse the whole church andsay I hate Christianity because
you have 10 dudes here who are insignificant.
Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how many of
them it doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter.

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No. Can I explain why it doesn't
matter? Go ahead.
The reason why it matters if they are true followers of
Christ, they would not act in the way they are acting.
You have said it many times, butI have I What's the got to pro?

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But what's the got to do with you, pro?
What's that got to do with you and your relationship with God?
Who cares? OK, who's going to teach me
then? Is is Isaac your pastor?
Let's pick on Isaac for a minute.
Is Isaac your pastor? I'm asking you, who do you have
any type of spiritual dependencyon him regarding your

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sanctification of someone that'ssupposed to teach me then?
Your pastor? Which fucking pastor?
Do you go to church? No, I live in no in an atheist
country. You know what?
OK, fine. Then find find a local
congregation of people who you know believe and get with them.
Associate yourselves with them. If you can't do that, if you

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can't do, hold on. If you can't do that, God will
lead you to somebody on the Internet to do that.
But don't get on here and say I'm done with Christianity
because Isaac and all these other 25 mofos are picking on me
and mess with me and I'm at my wit's end.
Come on man, you can't do that, can I?
Can I say something real quick that I am?

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Well, it's irrational and it's stupid if you do.
I don't care. OK, well, anyways, the biggest
problem is, is all of it roots down to doctrine.
It's all about the doctrine of Christ.
And that's why we have so many different types of Christianity.
And Beckel, I'm going to challenge you to please watch

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the little live that I did today.
And you know, David Daniels brings up some super important.
I'm going to need a paperback for that one.
Why? If you don't think that that
Jack Chick and David Daniels arebrothers in Christ, then I would
be questioning my faith hard. Oh, I'm not saying I'm not
saying that they're not brothersin Christ, but I do think that

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they're in error regarding defense of the King James.
And again, I love the King James.
The King James is my favorite translation.
It's my first. I'm a King James first.
This not only is, but so you know, everyone of it, starting
with the new King James Bible, every one of those Bibles all

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deny that Jesus is the creator and that is the major that's the
truth. Buddy, watch the video.
I'm not even going to get in. I'm I'm I'm familiar with some
of the arguments regarding the differences between these.
That's a very Hey, Brandon, fro what?
What's your what's your thought about this discussion that
Brandon and I are having? What's your thoughts?

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I couldn't kill us. Yeah.
What I'm trying to say, though, Beckel, is that same here.
Why so many people like Will Freeman sit there and go, you
know, if this is Christianity, abunch of idiots sitting around
arguing all the time. I know.
I'm just saying, though, that that, you know, but that's a
problem. That means we're failing.
It is a problem, but who cares? Because it's because you know

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what the the only good that's going to come out of that,
Brandon, is the fact that it's going to cause us to self
examine ourselves. OK?
That's the only good thing that we're going to that's going to
come out of looking at Will's ridiculous comments towards us
as Christians. Chris, you know, you got these
atheists and these non believersstanding by eating popcorn,
watching us Christians argue with and stuff like that.

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What that should be doing when we see those bozos doing that is
cause us to examine ourselves, as we see Paul say in these two
times in the New Testament, because you have some people
that are a mixture of number one, false, fraudulent
believers. They're not true believers.
That's number one. And #2 you have people who are
babes in Christ that need to be associated with a local

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congregation or some sort of discipleship.
And that is the problem that we see with a lot of people in this
in this community. A lot of these people who are
talking all this sugar smack about Smokey being this and Froa
being that and Ryan being this. They're not going to church.
They're not going to a local congregation.
They're not being discipled by anybody.

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They're not being mentored by anybody.
They're they lone selves. They're on the Christians and
all they're doing, just like Isaac and Bill are seeking
followers. They do not care about being
brothers. They only want disciples people
to follow them, but yet they don't want to receive any type
of correction themselves. That's the problem.
But you are just a a finite man bro.

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Atheists. Atheists are nicer than
Christians. That is the problem, thank God.
And you know what that should do?
You know what that should do, right?
When you find the majority of people that are atheists that
are nicer than Christians, what should that do as it to you as a
Christian? I'm not the Christian.
Oh, are you or you not? Because.

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Oh, so because Smokey said something.
So now you're not a Christian. Is that, is that what else?
I have said that many times, buthe's always with that.
Wait, wait. When did you recently did?
Because you said you were a Christian.
And then you came out with a video telling everybody that you
lied about it. And then the last time I talked,
you said, yeah, I'm a Christian again.
I know it's it's real with Christian, by your definition of

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water, we're just going to argue.
OK. So wait, So what is a Christian
to you then? Yeah, a Christian is.
Yeah. Sorry, we're just.
Yeah, I want to know. Wait, wait.
Real, real, real quick. And I I want to hear it from.
He said he's not a Christian by my definition.
You don't even know what my definition is.
But what is your definition of aChristian?
It's just labels. We're just arguing semantics.

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Yeah, but only people. Well, we haven't even gotten to
that discussion yet, are we? Already have.
No, we haven't. People that understand doctrine
are in a position to determine if somebody's in the faith or
not. Am I in the faith of it?
Tell me we haven't even talked about the definition of Brandon
I in the faith. Do you believe that Jesus is the

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creator? I do, but I don't read the King
James Bible only. OK, well then that's something
we maybe need to talk about as does that mean that he's not
saved though if he doesn't read the King James only I believe
that if he is indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
I do read it, but not only Yeah and and made a new creature,

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then he's going to be concerned with truth by his new nature.
Oh, I'm concerned with to find out.
OK, OK, so to find out that these other Bibles have have
twisted doctrine should concern Yeah, but would you rather
people read any Bible at all versus no Bible?
Good question. I hey, you know what I'm saying?

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If you want to use these other Bibles as a study tool and stuff
like that and if it's something that that causes you to enter
into grace into the covenant, then you don't if that's good,
but at some point in your walk. Yeah, it it just in at some
point in your walk you're going to have to you're going to meet

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a brother like me that's going to go hey, you need to make a
serious look at this in James issue.
Hey, he's give me the same question that you just asked him
where Christians like Brandon who needs tape.
You asked him what was your name.
Oh yeah. Am I in the faith?

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Do you get my answer after? OK, OK, now I want to answer you
do. You and I and I Yeah.
You didn't pay attention. You didn't hear.
No, I did. OK.
OK. What was my answer then?
My question to you would be, do you believe Jesus I understands
was buried and rose against on the third day.
I do yes. OK, then what did you hear?

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You're in the faith. Now whether or not you read the
King James only or not is irrelevant because the gospel
does not believe that Jesus doesn't know sins and read only
the King James. But hold on a second, Jared.
OK. Because the Bible also says that
if you have not the doctrine of Christ, you have not God.

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OK, That means you're not. Which you can find in all
different versions of the manuscript.
The message is not jeopardized just by the variances between
them. The message is still the same.
Jesus Christ died for me on the grass on the third day and rise
on the tree the third day. So that doesn't make you a
Christian. That doesn't.
I'm going to. Because there is a difference

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between being a Christ follower and being a Christian.
Yeah. Why?
Where's that? Where you get that from just
looking at the church itself. No one can agree on what?
No, you're not going to find that in chat.
That's that's all semantics. You brought up semantics earlier
and that what you just said it, what you just espouse is just
plain old semantics. That's all it is, you know, a

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person. Because in that case, then we
could say the Mormons are Christian, the Jehovah's
Witnesses are Christian, the, you know, Black Hebrew
Israelites are Christian. You know, all those people who
reject some of the essentials ofregarding God's ontology, we can
call them Christian. Why?
Because they on the surface or superficially refer to the same,

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some of the same things that we believe in, in the in the
church. If the truth is so obvious, then
why don't we all agree? I already mentioned a number of
reasons why I agree. You have different Bibles with
no doctrine. That's why.
Well, not just that, not just that, but you.
It's what? The real, The real problem is
that you have flawed creatures within the church.

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That's number one. And #2 you have some fraudulent
believers, people who have creptin unawares, who want to deceive
people. OK, let me ask you a concrete
question then. Weko and I, I I know that you
don't want to talk about Isaac, but I'm going to use.
I don't care. I'll talk about it as an
example, OK. Do you believe in the God of

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Isaac? Do I believe in the God of
Isaac? Yeah, the same.
Well, let me just put it this way.
I don't know if Isaac is truly saved or not, so I won't
fellowship with the guy for thatreason.
But I'm not going to sit here and say that he's not saved
either, because he seems to be the bare essentials of the
faith. So I don't believe in that God.

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You're saying I don't know what that means.
I'm I'm, I will explain it because that God made him into
what he is today. Oh my gosh, fro you can't.
OK, if you want to believe that,that's fine.
I would say this. Here's what if, if Isaac, if I

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were to ask Isaac what he believes, what is the gospel?
I'm pretty certain, based off ofwhat I've heard, that he knows
he'll say the same exact thing that the majority of us in this
room would say, that Jesus died on a cross and he rose from the
grave three days later and he's through him and him alone, not
of words. Why don't you act like that?
What about you? You're doing all this cussing

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and swearing and all this other stuff.
So, so, so wait, wait, why? Why are you pointing fingers at
him? So wait a minute.
So, so why are you pointing fingers at him?
But wait. But wait fo let me ask you why?
See, you're doing it again. It woe is me.
It's Isaac's fault that I'm lostmy faith.
It's Isaac's fault that I don't want to be identified with the
term Christianity. So you need to focus on Isaac in

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God's I in Isaac's God. Look, you can disagree with
Isaac on his doctrine, maybe OK,but you don't have the
authority. Neither does Jack smack.
Neither does Tucker 1611. They none of you have the
authority to sit here and say that he has that he's not saved
just because you disagree with his behavior.
That is not saved. OK, but you but you're saying

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that I curse his God. OK, you can curse his God.
I don't know. I would I would be curse to his
God. I don't believe in this God.
You don't even. Well, OK, well, what God does he
believe in then? Does he believe in you know not
to God? How do you know?
How do you know what I'm saying?See, now we're back in the same
circle. You don't believe in his God.
Why? Because of the way he behaves.

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Yes. OK, Now I can say the same thing
about you. I don't believe in your God
because of the way you don't believe you behave.
You don't believe in the one true God.
OK, You're doing all this cussing and swearing and all
this other stuff, but that tellsme that you don't worship the
one true God. OK, Cool.
OK, so when you say that Isaac, but see what you're doing

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though, is you're, you're blaming you're you're pointing
the finger at Isaac when you shouldn't be doing that.
Isaac has nothing to do with thestatus that you have right now,
the state that you're in right now.
I'm glad you know that no other person I do know that anything
to do with your relationship with Jesus Christ.

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You either know him or you don't.
You either love him or you don't.
If you have some false Jesus that you made-up in your own
mind. And this is again why I'm
pointing to the danger of these Bibles versions that change the
doctrine of Christ. That's a problem when the
original document says anyone that doesn't have the doctrine

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that the doctrine of Christ sayswhosoever transgressed us and if
I was God in the doctrine of Christ hath not God he that
abideth in the doctrine of Christ.
Even if they had the true, true documents, Brandon, that doesn't
mean that people can have a truecomprehension of what the
Scriptures are saying. So when those the false

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documents or the true documents,that's our duty as more mature
Christians. There you go.
Listen, I said more mature Christians, we've spent no, I
agree, I agree, researching and arguing these matters.
That's Ephesians 4 for us to Yep.
It's time for us to buckle up now and go.
OK. What is exactly the doctrine of

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Christ and this. Yeah, you're quoting, you're
quoting Ephesians 4, right? We, we have to have an authority
of doctrine. This is why the Bible issue is
so important. It cannot be just fucking easily
overlooked and you can't just sit here and prepare it for Bart
Ehrman's arguments. Someone who doesn't understand

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prophecy at all because he doesn't believe.
I agree with you on that. But again, I don't think you've
studied this topic that that as much as you claim that you have.
I really, I, I'm sorry and you and you're definitely.
But here's your biggest problem that everybody here in this
panel has with you. You don't have a single verse
that suggests that one must be in the King James in order to be

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in right salvific or a sanctified standing with God.
But I mean, if you found out, though, that all of these other
Bible versions were basically a plot of so somebody's going to
hell if they read the King Jamesand say, you know what?
I can't do the King James anymore.
I'm tired of the Elizabethan language.

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Let me go to something more. You must be.
But hey, that's fine. But they must be aware of the
doctrinal changes. That's all I'm saying.
But if they believe in the doctrinal, if they believe in
the doctrine that's in the original manuscripts and in the
King James, I think they're perfectly fine.
If they go to a different place,the Bible.
Yeah, the the Bible even revealsthis issue with, you know,

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Priscilla and Aquila when they took Apollos, the great
preacher, and they taught him the gospel more perfectly.
This guy just came from Alexandria, Egypt, where all the
manuscripts that produce all theother versions of Bible come
from. And if you, you know, I'm sure
you've heard in this argument many times, lots of people will

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sit there and say that, you know, Wescott was a deist and
stuff. And no, no, no, if you examine
the actual truth. And this is the video that I
posted today where David Danielsis showing you what this guy
wrote in his diary, that he was totally trying to believe Christ
and be a good Christian. And then he went and met with at

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the Vatican and everything changed for this guy.
That's anecdotal. I don't.
I don't want to anyway. Becco highly.
I love you and I do respect you.And I hope you know that we can
disagree on your belief, but I still no frost talking.
I I still respect you, Echo. And I want you to know that I'm
not angry at you. I'm not angry at for you.

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Yeah, well, the same here. It's just that I I just wish
there was a little bit more discernment practice on your
part when you go around saying Ihate Christians.
I'm not a Christian anymore because what you're doing is you
look, you're having this experience with a small handful
of people in this world, and then you're just going to say,
you know what, I'm done. I'm done with Christianity.
But wait a minute. Why do you say that these

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individuals that you have an issue with represent
Christianity? You know, that's what an atheist
does with us. Atheists do that to us.
I, I understand your, your pointand they did it is a valid can I
can I, it's, it's a valid point.I just I, I, I just want to give
up because I'm can I, can I bring up a point real quick.

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That way you might actually appreciate this.
You know, Paul in the scriptureswas treated horrendously by his
own people who profess Christ aswell.
That's why he says about like Alexander and a few other
individuals. So we should really, I would

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encourage you guys to look to Paul and and see how, you know,
he was betrayed and treated likegarbage by his own people, but
yet he still kept the faith. Why?
Because he didn't let he would not allow.
Well, first of all, he understood what Christ taught

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and he understood well, Jesus didn't teach this.
So I know what they're doing is wrong and I'm not going to allow
them to affect what faith I havein my slavery.
And you know, you should. If if you were to allow people
to influence you and what it is that you believe, then how is it

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that you, you can therefore believe anything?
No, that's that that's the devilwill twist your mind up.
Oh, my gosh, I, I see that. Just to ask real quick, Jared,
before I go, you you do know that Paul spent three years with
Jesus face to face, right? I'm, I'm not going to get into

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that. I feel like, but I appreciate
all of you and I I do appreciatewhat you're saying.
Yeah. You'll be OK, bro.
You'll be alright, man. It's OK.
I'm angry, man. I I struggle.
You need to cling to your Bible.That's what you need.
You need to cling to your Bible,man.
Trust those words. Trust God only.

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Never trust men. Trust God.
Period. End of story.
Who cares what they say? I don't care.
I care what the Lord says. You know, more practical level
to some exercise might help too get get over this stuff.
But you know, it's just it's just.
And if you're getting depressed,go out and help people that will

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always cheer you. Say that again, Brandon,
Brandon, say that again. Go out and yeah, go out and do
something nice. Oh, oh, oh, wait, Brandon, say
that one more time. That's awesome.
Say it again. Go out and do something nice for
someone else. If you're, if you're what, Bill
Bell, if you're depressed, oh, brand new, I like your avatar.
That's powerful right there. That's powerful others.

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That's powerful right out of depression.
That's powerful right there. You want to know something?
There was a guy who discipled me.
He said the exact same thing to me seven years ago because he
himself suffered a depression. And he said, you know what is 1?
His one way to counter depression was to go serve

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others and to give praise to them, even if it's just giving
them a phone call and and just praising them with positive,
positive comments. Go out.
Go out and have someone sign a contract.
Brandon, thank you so much for bringing that up, man.
Despite the King James, The KingJames only nonsense.

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You doing some intelligence? I'm just kidding.
I have my moments. Yeah.
I'm not a total fucking moron. Yeah, I actually do.
That's powerful, man. See, now what Brandon just said
right there. No human wants to do you know
what we want to do? We want to weep in our own
sorrow. We want to point the fingers at
other people walking around saying woe is me, I didn't do

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nothing. It's not my fault.
Look what they did. It's their fault that I'm in
this mess. I'm great.
But that's what the devil wants.The devil wants you to weep in
in sorrow and in depression so that you don't trust God.
People don't give the enemy enough credit nowadays.
And if you don't, if you don't know the power of Satan, you'll
never see the great power of God.

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That's why you better be aware of all the Wiles of the devil as
we have entered the we have entered the most deceptive
period of time the world has ever seen with what's coming up.
No, I'd much rather live in 2026than 15 hundreds.

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I'm saying that we're in a much more deceptive time.
Everyone in this room would be hung back in the day.
Just saying I live in some of the most peaceful times.
Yeah, but you. But look at how many different
denominations of Christianity there are.

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Look at all of the conflict and and the disorganization of of
biblical Christianity while everybody's being lured.
Now when everyone being lured, you would do you know the
pageantry and the order of the Catholic Church.
That's why you got guys like Sailor.
There we go with Brandon. Would you, would you at least

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say, OK, a person who is not King James only is still saved,
but I wouldn't let them lead anyBible studies in my
congregation, right? Would you at least say that?
Yes, I would say that there. You're not going to be a
teacher, dude, because you don'tgot your doctrine straight if
you haven't examined these issues.
Well, I mean, even if they have the right doctrine, they go

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ahead, don't, don't go to the Brandon Irish Church.
There will never ever be a Brandon Irish Church.
I'm brother Brandon. That's all I'm ever going to be.
I'm not going to be a pastor. I'm not here to sell books or
get fucking memberships or any of that.
I'm actually concerned, I'm I'm,I'm actually concerned with with

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us being united as the body of Christ on doctrine.
We got it's doctrine is the key to the well, what about just the
essentials? I mean, there's you're never
going to have two Christians agree on 100% everything.
Yeah. It's just not going to happen
because humans are retarded, because humans are retarded.

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OK, Brandon, you're, we need to have Brandon, you're denying
there's work to do. You're, you're you're denying
the finite fallibility of human beings when you talk like that,
denying it, yes, you are, because you're, you're, you're
trying to say like, oh, we can be perfect.
No, we cannot be perfect. Speedism, what you're talking,
it's not defeatism. No, it's reality.

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It's reality. It is reality.
We won't be perfect until the consummation, man.
You don't think people would fucking notice if there was an
actual church or a body of believers?
Wait, wait a minute. Hold on.
You must have an issue with Pauland Barnabas then.
Remember, they separated. They went their different ways.

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Was part of us? Was Paul proven to be a false
prophet or Barnabas? But yet they're So do you think
was Barnabas proven to be a false prophet because Paul
decided to go their separate ways?
Paul, really? Show me the scripture.
Show me the scripture. Show me, OK, everybody, he's

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going to be going through his Bible.
He's going to show us the argument that Paul and Barnabas,
when they decided to part ways, he's going to prove to us that
the reason why they parted ways was because Barnabas was
pointed, was proven to be a false prophet.
So or false teacher. So we're going to see that from
Brandon. Wasn't it an argument over
Titus? It was, it was argument over
John Mark. John Mark was going to go with,

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I think something like that. But but but Brandon, he's got
something profound, not esoteric, but profound.
You know, he's going to show us that bottom.
No, there's only there's one thing that I want to say.
You know, I'm here. I do.
I do just want to say more than one person.
Smokey, I am terribly sorry for the things that I have said to
you for you to feel this way. I really honestly AM.

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And the other thing I am going to tell you as well is
Christianity is not a title for other people to see what God is.
Christianity is inside you, Jesus Christ is inside you.
The idea that you're trying to see how other people are
according to Christianity, that's work base.
We cannot do that. Everyone else is going to fall

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short from the glory of God. No one is going to match up to
become perfect. And reality is I am a child of
God and I am a Christian. That's what it means to be a
Christian. I know where my stance is with
the heavenly Father. God bless everyone and just have
a wonderful day. God bless, man.

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Appreciate that. I ain't got no beef with that.
Yeah, no, no beef. He showed some humility, man.
I listen you, some of you in here know how I feel about guys
like Graham Gold. Gold.
I can't pronounce his name right.
I've said this. I've said this out publicly.

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I'll say it again here. I don't mind.
I believe he's a brother, but I can't stand him.
I can't stand him. I don't like listening to his
voice. I would never go to one of his
dreams ever again because when all I hear from that guy is
vitriol, he I mean, he was the last debate he was in with
really, really nice guy, twitchytheologian, probably one of the

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most polite people you ever going to meet on on the on the
Internet. And yet still that didn't stop
this guy Graham from blowing histop, yelling at the guy for
nothing because he has a quick temper and then he rage quit.
If you don't believe me, you cansee the debate yourself.
Me personally, I have a pet peeve for people who have a

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short temper. I can't stand being around
people like that. But that doesn't mean that I'm
going to declare them to not be saved.
I mean, could be in circumstantial evidence that
they're not saved. I don't know, you know, because
he's quick tempered, but you know, he's a, he's a professor
of the faith and I believe he's I believe he's a he's a brother,

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but I, I want nothing to do withhim.
I can't stand the guy and that and that.
And so I separate myself. I disassociate my I unsubscribe
from his channel. Whenever he and Kevin are live
together on Kevin's channel, I watch another channel, I watch
another video because I don't like Graham.
I can't stand him. And there's many people that

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feel the same way about me. And so you have the right to do
that, but it's not going to affect my look, my outlook on
Christianity or the church just because I got one or two people
who just get on my nerves. You know, just want to say that.

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Yeah, I actually had a question for Smokey.
Is he just saying, because you know, Dave, Dave kind of said
the same thing was that he was saying like your God, like
saying like he doesn't believe and their God basically saying
like they have a different God than than the God that they
believe in, which they believe is false.

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I mean, that's that's kind of the question I had.
I had for him. But but he left.
No, I don't think he's just saying it.
I think he's really having a having a well, no, not well, no,
not not just saying that. Well, no, I'm, I'm not saying
he's just saying it to say I'm, I'm wondering what he means
because, you know, people do have done where like, oh, well,

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I don't believe in in your God. I I believe in the God of the
Bible. Like I, I don't believe your God
exists. The one that you believe in that
I think he's just mad because ofyour doctrine.
I was thinking of demos. My bad.
Oh, it's alright. Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah.

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They didn't separate because of the false doctrine or whatever.
I think there was just some ministerial stuff they figured
they'd cover more ground separating up with.
See, and Christians can have these type of disagreements.
Are you like, you know what, Brandon, you go your way, I'm
going my way, you know, but I'm still not going to go behind

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your back and say, well, you know, I don't think they did
that. They, they, they did, you know,
their, their attitude was, look,you need to go in that direction
and preach the word. And I'm going to head in this
direction and preach the word because people need to hear
what's up. Same thing with Abraham and and
his his nephew Lot. You know, his people were
arguing with Abraham's people. And you know, then he says, OK,

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fine, Abraham took the High Roadand of humility and says, OK,
we'll go this side and you, yourpeople go on that side, that
kind of thing. And and from there it's it's
between God's hands. And again, I don't want to come
off as a Vecco Vicki know everything.
I don't echo, you know, everything.

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This is why what what I would like to accomplish is if we had
like a a serious room where where people that are serious
about doctrine and they they they really know the Bible
pretty well. Like I've I've tried to contact
Sam Shimon, God logic, Miles Christian.
Yeah, yeah, the other. I mean, I'm having a you know

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what I mean. They, they, they, no one ever
hears my full position before they fucking react.
That's why I'm like, Sam Shimon's another one, man.
He's who Sam Shimon's another one.
I'm just saying like, man, if, if we all could like, you know,
let's go over with your Bible knowledge and my Bible
knowledge. Let's fucking hash this out.

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What exactly is the complete full doctrine of Christ so we
can easily show people? Hey buddy, This is why you're
not in the faith. So you're you.
You don't like the term, but you're in breach of contract is
how I explain it. You need to come back into the
covenant and make sure you're good with God.

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Can I, can I offer a suggestion?Can I offer a suggestion?
If you're in a group, if you're in a room of people who don't
align with KJV only, you should put that aside.
Because if you if you come across as KJV only anything that
they say from a different Bible version, they're not going to
feel comfortable discussing any type of theology with you right

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there would be that needs to be established is like you know,
that's that's the first issue iswhat is going to be the
authority of the body. Well, I don't think anyone wants
to spend 10 hours debating KJV only.
I mean, sorry, but one of these Bibles, if all are valid, then
none are authoritative. And that is why we have 1000

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different brands of Christianity.
And I would also like to state for the record that I can prove
to you, to you, that this was, you know, a counter reformation
movement by the Jesuits of the Catholic Church.
And it's fucking working if we now look back from our point.
So who has the right? Who has the right belief then?

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Is it the free gracers? Is it the Calvinists?
Is it the Armenians? I mean, you know, is it, well,
who, who, who has the there's? Yeah, there's another.
According to you, though, we dress, yes.
That's another issue that needs to be discussed is, you know,
this, can you lose your salvation?
You know, that's another one. God bless everybody.
I remember going to do you have a free will or not?

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God bless you fro God bless but but Brandon, you have to ask
yourself hold on a second Brandon.
All these people that use the different translations believe
in the essentials. Jesus is the Christ.
There is only one God within theone being called God that
coexist 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
That Jesus the second person of the Trinity died on the cross

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and he rose from the grave. OK three days later he rose from
the grave. That is what we want you to
enter into grace. OK, right, right.
So now from from there, what you're talking is more academic
than anything else, not having anything to do with your
salvific status. We need to have a yes.
This is where you know, because the Bible does say that if you

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don't have the doctrine of Christ, you don't have the
Father or the Son. That should be alarming.
That should make any OK. What is the doctrine of the
Christ has nothing to do with the translation, but it has
everything to do with the main message.
But it does have the no, it doesn't.
Like I pointed out to you beforewith all the textual variances
between the the different manuscripts, forget about the

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translations. I'm talking about the
manuscripts. Now you have, let's talk about
the manuscripts real quick. Let's talk about the manuscripts
because even Bar Ehrman himself in that debate with James White
failed miserably in pointing outthe fact that there was a major
discrepancy between all the different area of variances in
the manuscripts. All of them.
Yes, you might have some different words.

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Hold on. You might have different words
here and there in this manuscript or this verse here,
then for the next one, but that,but the message was still the
same. The integrity of the message was
still the same. Yes, yes, it is true.
Yes, it is true. Listen, let me tell you why.
OK, Here's the most major of alldoctrines that has been altered

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in these other Bible versions. And again, to me, one major
doctrine that's been changed by one of the manuscripts.
I'm talking, I'm talking about the translation.
I'm talking about the manuscripts, OK, The
manuscripts, we have all of the manuscripts that were gathered
up in Alexandria, Egypt, and in Rome.
Then you have the other land of manuscripts that were all

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gathered up in Jerusalem and in Antioch, who eventually is all.
No, no, no, I didn't ask you that.
I'm asking you give me an example of 1 manuscript that
blatantly suggests that, like for example, that Jesus did not
rise from the grave. Is there any manuscript that
suggests that you're missing theissue?

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Now hold on. You're missing the issue.
I'm not missing it. No, I'm talking about an
essential. I'm talking about something that
is essential. The message again, you're
getting off track. You're missing what I'm trying
to point out to you. Right?
Because again, does the Bible say if you don't have the
doctrine of Christ, then you do not have God?

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Yes or no? No, but first John chapter 5
says if you don't, he who doesn't have the Son has not
suspected. John Chapter 9 Whosoever
transgresseth and abideth not inthe doctrine of Christ hath not
God. What is the doctrine of Christ?
What is the doctrine of Christ? The doctrine of Christ is number

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first and foremost. Is understanding that Jesus
Christ is the Creator manifest in the flesh correct?
That would be the family. No, no.
That he died on the cross and herose from the grave.
I'm gonna give you the five components of it.
Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving
the gift of the Holy Ghost, enduring to to the end.

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OK, so you're telling me that you don't have to believe that
Jesus is the creator and you have correct doctrine?
Everybody knows that God is the creator.
Romans chapter 1 says that, yeah.
But all of the yeah, all of these other manuscripts from
from Alexandria, Egypt, and fromRome and Rome, they all, they

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all claim that Jesus, everythingwas created through Jesus, not
by. So what?
So what through by is the same thing?
No, it's not the same thing. See, see, there you go.
You're you're nitpicking there, see.
No, these are what some translations say some what

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what's the what's the Greek say for the word through or by
What's the Greek say not No human being today is a better
and more well equipped to translate scripture than the men
that did the job of the then why, why?
Wait a minute, this is coming from the guy who's doing around

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telling everybody that you must have the proper translation in
order to be in right standing with God.
Come on, man. I'm asking you, what is the what
is the Greek word for the word through and or by in the Greek?
What is it? No, tell me.
You tell me because you're making a big deal about the word

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through. This is through.
That's not right. You said through is the word is
not through. The video that I posted on my
you and I cooperative channel goes over this thoroughly.
You should watch it and if you think it's bullshit instead of
just answering a question. I don't want to study anything
else I or anything. What did you get for teaching

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things? Best of luck with that shit.
Best of luck with that. You're you're damning yourself.
How are we damning ourselves? We're damning our stuff because
we don't watch your video. Yeah, right.
That's hope. That's hope mentality right
there. Tracks go on to check tracks and
go and just put in Bible school and the video will pop up and

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you can look at the history of it.
We're damning ourselves because we challenge you.
I have the definition of the of the word yeah, through in the in
the lexical summary, the word isdia, which means through by
because of for the sake of. In the KJV it says at for for

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the KJV specifically, it says after always among, at, to
avoid. Because of that briefly by for,
for FORE from, in, by occasion of it.
It has a lot of definitions fromfor the KJV.
Now for the NASB. For for the NASB, it's through
because sake. Reason sakes.

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Account means word origin, a primary preposition to knowing
the channel of an act. So through and by are the same
word. Can I say something now?
Hey, David Daniels, he went to Bible college.
He speaks Greek. He know.
He knows the whole stick. All right?

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And I'm telling you right now, you're in dangerous territory
because David Daniels said it right.
No, no, no, no. Because you're believing A
lexicon more than the word of God.
That's a Oh my gosh, that's the end of this discussion.
The lexicon is based. Wow.
Wow. I can't believe it.

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I can't believe it. Wow.
That's that's the end of this discussion.
Dude. The lexicon is based off the
grief of the Bible. That's the moron.
Wow. Wow, that you're it.
Wow, this is amazing. It's amazing.
You just got to criticizing us, telling us no man knows that the
actual definition. But then here you are
criticizing us when we show you a definition and you don't

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provide us any other counter to it.
You just simply disregard it. We showed you what the Greek
word is for through and by in the King James, and you
disregard it. But then you turn around and say
that the manuscript is wrong because it says the word that
the world was made through Jesus, not by, even though it's

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the same thing when somebody else is talking.
Or are you having a hard time hearing man?
Luke, who's talking? Luke who's talking for a minute.
Shut up up and quit interruptingme like a child.
I'm just trying to tell you, David Daniels goes over this.
I don't care what David Daniels says.
I know 'cause you're David Daniels is wrong.
I think you got to help figure it out.

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You're not you're, you're, you are wrong.
David Daniels is not the consensus.
David Daniels. This is appeal to authority.
This is appeal to authority fallacy.
Wrong. One person does not equal the
the consensus. That's his problem.
He thinks one person equals the actual consensus, right?
You guys are so fucking clueless.

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It is so pathetic how fucking naive you guys.
All things were created for him,by him and for him.
And he is before all things and by him and by him all things
consist of if surface us throughhim or not.
Now we're reading the new world translation.

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I got you, I got you see, Brandon, you are a perfect
example of why we even having this why we're in this room
today. You're a perfect example of it.
Somebody that actually is a scholar.
We're not against investigating these, these topics, but when
you're trying to shove this stuff down people's throat as if
there's some civic value to it, then we got a problem.

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And we, we have the doctrine of Christ, which you do not because
you believe that you, we don't have a problem with people
studying these things out and searching that, searching these
things out. We don't have a problem with
that. What we do have a problem with
is you going around shoving thisguy Brandon people still as if
there's some significant value to it when there isn't one
minute. Give me 60 seconds with Brandon.

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That's all I need. OK, that's Brandon.
I'll take my 30 seconds. You take your 30 seconds.
No, no, seriously. I got a I got a serious request.
I got a serious request. I'm going to submit to you for
the next week. So if you got time, come over to
my channel. Just going to you and me.

(03:51:42):
No, you don't have time. I'm already.
I've already, dude. I have work to do like I've
spent. Oh, well, you don't seem to be
too busy today trying to use thepoint.
But I said when you have time, the night.
So you don't have time. OK, Sure.
Yeah, how about we take the nextmonth 'cause you're such a busy
guy and you don't have any time.He said that an hour ago.
We'll take the next 30 days then, give you a lot of time.

(03:52:04):
Then maybe you could find one ortwo days out of 30 or one or two
hours. No problem if you want to get
sick. What we're going to?
No. Will you let me see?
Let me finish, though. Could you let me at least?
Do you know what my request is? Do you know what my request?
Tell me what my request is so you can finish on this day.
Well then are you going to listen to the rest of it or not?
I'm trying, but you take forever.

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You keep interrupting me. I'm trying to make a request to
you. I've lift your shield, dude, go.
I am going, but I'm trying to talk over you.
So let me talk. All right, All I want to do is
like a part 1234 with Brandon onwhat the things are to.
I need to start over. So I'm going to submit to you.
We're going to do Part 1 with the news unit and Brandon Part

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2. And I'm not going to mouth after
you tell me how it is in the Bible and what I need to believe
and then we'll go from there. Is that is that fair?
Fair enough. OK, thank you.
Next. Go ahead, gentlemen.
Yeah, I'm just saying you might want to pay greater attention to
this important detail. If you don't have the doctrine

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of Christ, you don't have God. If you're going to deny him as
the Creator, then you've got thedoctrine of Christ wrong right
from the start. Yeah, right from the start.
You've already got your people. Denying him as a Creator isn't
what makes him unsaved. You don't know nothing, Jared.
I'm I don't know nothing. The Bible doesn't say you are a
baby Christian. And no, not what is John?

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There's the name calling right there.
What is John name calling? It's real and he doesn't even
have a fucking clue yet. That's what does John 318 say.
A 20 year Carpenter. He doesn't want to answer it.
What does John 318 say? What is John 318?
He's he's stalling, so he could look for it.

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No, I'm illustrating a point. Got a chat?
GBTA. No, no, no.
I'm sitting here taking a piss right now.
OK, Just so you know. But anyhow, make sure you wash
your hands before you open that Bible.
Yeah. You guys are children.
You're children. It's so you deserve to be
treated like a child, man, because you act like right now.
No, you act like a child. Yeah, you're totally acting like

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a child right now. So you don't have any proof that
there's some. I'll tell you what 318 says.
He that believes her son is not condemned, but he that believeth
not on the Son is condemned, is condemned already because he has
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So you are condemned already because you do not believe in
the name of Jesus, not in the King James, see, but Jared, what

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he's using see he's he's going because he's a Brandon is a
condition Brandon, Brandon. Brandon is a conditionalist
one-on-one with Jared here for just less than less than 60
seconds. Well, let me just real quick.
Brandon is a conditionalist. So he'll say that you can get
saved by believing in the gospels.

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But if you don't stick with the King James, I guess.
OK. Over pickle.
It's pathetic. Yes, Sir.
I forgot what I was going to askyou because of all the tumult.
Sorry. I was waiting.
No, no, it's fine. I was waiting for something, and

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I wanted to follow up about it, damn it.
And I forgot what it is now. It was about John.
It was about John 318I read the passage.
Oh, I know. Yeah.
Believing on the name of Jesus. So if all we need to do is
believe on the name of Jesus, what is the name of Jesus?

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His name? Yeah.
What is it? If we need to believe on the
name of Jesus? You just said believe on the
name of Jesus. What is the name of Jesus?
How do you believe on a name? Well, you, you believe in who he
says he was and who he claimed to be.
It doesn't say that, though. Does it Claim to be?
Who did he claim to be? He claimed he claimed to be the

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He claimed to be the Son of God.He claimed to be the Messiah.
He Did he come across to say I'mthe Messiah?
When did he first say I'm the Messiah?
Well, he never he. I don't think he ever he never
outwardly said that he was the Messiah, except for one instance

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that I can remember is is the woman at the well where he I
didn't speak under the MP and she's a Samaritan.
So that wasn't even the Jews hadno dealings of Samaritan.
So all the Jews didn't get to know that he told he wouldn't
tell him he was the Messiah, butthey had to know it.
They had to believe in his name and noted they had the
scriptures. They, they had the prophecy, so
they should have known. They shouldn't know, but they

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shouldn't know. Why does scripture always say it
was hidden from them? They understand.
He's Speaking of them in perils at hearing.
They shouldn't hear and see, Oh,I'm the Calvinist.
I'm staying out of this one. Well, because they, they were
blinded by their, by their traditions and their and their
adding's to the law. What were they adding to the
law? Give me one example.
Give me one example. They were adding to the law.

(03:57:15):
It was different traditions, like, you know, how to wash your
hands, how to really, Where doesit say that?
How do you know? It's that passage in Matthew
where where they like they're criticizing the disciples for
not washing hands as they're picking the corn.
Leviticus goes over it. No, it doesn't.
OK, So the law, because you're kind of a law guy.

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It was in, it was in regards to the Sabbath law.
I think it's Matthew 15, right? Is it Matthew 15?
I'm not sure it says not goes within the mouth that the files
of man know what comes out from that right.
Yeah, and it's and he also made references to the Sabbath.
How Jesus. I just want to know when
somebody tells you to believe onthe name of Jesus, what is the
name of Jesus? Is it Jesus just like what what

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Jared said. So the name is not when we
that's eternally Jesus. It's some other name.
It's Messiah. There are several passages where
you I think in the Hebrew, if you look up the word name, look
at the Hebrew and read the English.
OK, Yeah. Well, well, I'm.
I'm giving you context here because you're asking a very
specific question. You're talking about I have to
believe. Hold on a second.

(03:58:20):
Let me hold on. Are you talking about an
arrangement of syllables or sounds?
Are you talking about a child can understand it?
What do you believe? Jared explained it.
I believe on the name of Donald Trump.
What does that mean? Jared explained it simply.
You're talking about, you're nottalking about the name of
Donald. Hold on.
You're not talking. You're not talking about the way
a name is pronounced or an arrangement of syllables or

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letters or anything like that. You're talking about that.
Folks, this is Christian. No, no, this is you, Dave.
You're not listening. This is the problem.
This is your problem, Dave. You're asking questions and you
don't even give anybody a chanceto respond.
And now you want to turn around and say this is Christianity.
This is Christianity, folks. It's already hearing the answer.

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You want to run away and point the fingers and say this is
Christian and nobody can answer my question.
Well, we're trying to answer your question, but you don't
want to hear it. You do that to me all the time,
Beckel. So no, I, no, I respond to you.
I give you a chance to respond. Yes, I do.
I do give you a chance to respond.
Dave, I I think you're looking for a black and white answer,

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but I'm sorry, there is a black and white answer there.
It's in Scripture. OK, this is enough.
It's enough. To believe in the name of Jesus
is to put your confidence and trust that he is God.
That's what the Son of God. He identifies himself as the Son
of God. That is his divine identity.

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You must believe I am he or I am, or you will die in your
sins. I don't know why.
I don't know how much more clearer Jesus can make it
exactly just that. That's what it means to believe
in the name of Jesus that he is who he says.
He is God. That's what Jarrett was pointing

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out. It's really that simple.
Now, are you talking about name as in an arrangement of sounds
and syllables or in a in a word,or you're talking about
something that represents a person.
Maybe we don't understand what name means.
So look up the definition in Greek and Hebrew of name and
then read it to us in English and then we'll know.
Yeah, the, the Hebrew, the Hebrew word I think is, is
shame. It's pronounced shame.

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And it's a Hebrew 803 something.And it's talking about the idea
or, you know, the representationof something, memorial
individuality. It's not talking about an
arrangement of, of letters or syllables or sounds or
pronunciation of a word. It's talking about the
representation of something. You say I do something in the

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name of Dave. I do something in the name of
Smokey. I'm not saying I'm doing it in
the name. So you can pronounce their name
correctly. No, I'm doing it in their honor.
OK, and that's what Jared was trying to point out.
The name of the name of the Son of God is above every name,
right? It's not talking about
syllables, OK, because we got a lot of Puerto Ricans name Jesus.

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OK, name Jesus. But we're talking about the
authority behind the name, right?
That he alone provides salvation, forgiveness of sin.
He's the ultimate authority. He's alone.
Reconciles us to God or back to God.

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And he's the only one worthy aversion.
He's a creator, He's our savior.And there is no other name in
which you can be saved. So it's obviously it's not
talking about your surname or what your Mama named ya.
She could have named him a Kota Kente and it and the scripture

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would still say he is above every name.
Kuta Kente is above every name. It's not the name in and of
itself that he was. Jesus was a very popular name if
I'm not mistaken. That's correct in in those
times. So obviously the the author is

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intending to communicate something other than just saying
his name aloud or just believingthat he exists.
I don't know. That's clear to me when I read
the text, obviously that that's clear to me.
I don't know why to me struggle with that.
The one thing that validates this is by one of the one of the

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things that validates this for me is by the simple fact that we
have so many people in this world that use the Lord's name
in vain. Why is that the only name under
heaven given among men that's used in that fashion?
I've never heard anybody stub their toe and say Muhammad or
Confucius. Just real quick, what is what is
Brandon trying to convince everyone of again?

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Oh, no, yeah, Brandon has that effect.
I just, I just had to run in thestore.
Crazy, ridiculous line today. I don't know what the fuck's
wrong with people. What, what?
Why are we talking about Jesus as creator of things?
Is Brandon denying Jesus as creator or something?
What's going on? No, no, no.
He's saying that the doctrine ofChrist is believing that Jesus

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is the creator when it when that's not the doctrine of
Christ, the doctrine of Christ. I mean the doctrine of Christ.
I think Brandon, Oh, God. Well, I already gave five points
of of of the doctrine of Christ.I mean, Jesus is God.

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I don't think his role in creation is necessarily
salvifically essential unless Brandon has some sort of
argument for that. You know, Brandon, part of it
too, is that you have a novel and unique personal
interpretation of Scripture as well.
So it's kind of it's kind of hard for you to judge it as a
standard against the entirety ofchurch antiquity.

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You know, This is why I was saying like if there was anyone
in the, I mean, at least everyone else in the room, Well,
maybe not Dave so much, but but at least everyone else in the
room, as far as I know, has somesort of like core leaning to
something kind of traditional or, or Orthodox or something.
I mean, at least Reckless and Jill are Calvinist.
They at least got some, you know, tradition to latch onto.

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You just got yourself and I don't understand why you're so
special that I should give a fuck what you say about
anything. Really.
Honestly. I mean, you don't even know the
Bible. Really.
I'll be in and out. Did you need someone to go to
the store? I'll check.
I'll check back in here to see if I, if you don't mind.
Dave, I don't know if you could hold, hold down the Fort for
about, I don't know, 5-10 minutes while I get back.
I would actually appreciate that.

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Yeah, I'm going to start headingback, but I'm listening.
Good. I'll hold the Fort.
Done. I'll.
I'm in and out a little bit, butI'll come right back in 60
seconds. So I just broke one of my Rakes
and I'm trying to figure out, isthis title a joke?
Let let me let me put it like this.
OK, If you go to John 13, John 110, First Corinthians 86,

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Ephesians 39, Colossians 116, and Hebrews 1-2.
In every one of these it's very clear that Jesus is the creator.
And then if you notice in all ofthe Bible versions, is somebody
having difficulty with Jesus creating all things, Well, he's

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going to point us out how other translations might say something
different, right? Is that how this is the, that to
me, that God being the creator, Jesus is God is the foundation
of the Christian belief, the foundation of our doctrine.
OK, now show us a translation that that denies that.
Can you show us one example? Well, right there, this is what

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I'm trying to point out is that those 5 verses that I've just
pointed out, they are very clearthat Jesus is the creator.
And then if you look at the other Bible versions, OK, that's
where it starts making Jesus themiddleman with the, you know,
instead of by him. Now it's give us one example.

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Give us one example. Yeah.
Where it, it diminishes Jesus's divinity.
Yeah. Yeah.
In John 13, instead of saying all things were created by him,
it says through him. You OK, Now it means that
they're in. Oh, I get it.
OK, I get it. Now he's saying the Father
didn't create anything. That's that.
That's where we're at with it. Only Jesus created something.

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So the Father didn't create anything.
Is that what you're saying, Brandon?
You're saying when when you say through, So only the Father
created it and not Jesus? No, no, he's saying Jesus is the
only creator God, God the Fatheris not a creator of anything.
So Brandon, is that, is that what you're asserting by these
translations? Because he's trying to change it
from by to through. He thinks that that the the by

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is more reasonable than the through, even though it's the
Greek word. Yeah.
So he's trying to basically negate the father as part of
creation, essentially. And he thinks this is novel and
interesting and special and something we all need to know.
It really is the King James has through instead of bio.
What exactly are you? No, no, no.
The King James is very clear that it is by him.

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All things were created by him and then by him and for him.
Right, he's looking at John 1/3.So what translation says through
the ESV says it. That's Colossians.

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Colossians 116 is what he's referencing.
So, yeah, that's here. Let me give you guys a ref.
Let me give you a King James here.
Let me give you a Brandon King. I'm 1/3.
Or what? What are we looking at here?
All right, you pick one. Listen.
When I talk once in a while, you're going to listen.
You're all going to listen or I'll put you all in the back.
I will. And I don't have time for this
right now. I'm in the middle of working.
OK. I'm listening to.

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I'm taking time to listen to this because this is important.
I've been outside listening whenI can.
All right, so let's look at in the King James Bible, Romans
1136, it says for of him and through him and to him are all
things and through him. OK, so that that is the.

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Isn't that wrong? Then we changed that one.
Just a good point, Dave. Very good point.
Yeah. No.
What'd you got to say about that?
Right. What I'm.
Yeah, what I'm pointing, I'll be, I'm going to go back behind
the curtain here, but I'll be. Thanks for bringing that up,
Dave. That's a very good point.
Yeah. Yeah.
Thank you. So here we have the King James
in Romans 11 speaking about the Christ, and it says 4 of him and

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through him. Ah, wait a minute.
This is the King James? Yeah.
Brandon, I think you're, you're stretching credulity, but you're
trying to text to suggest that. And guess what?
And guess what? It's the same Greek word.
It's the same Greek word as the word by.
Why? Why do you want the King James?

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100% positive. I'm 100% positive.
Were you born with the King James?
Why does the King James have theHe came out of his mother's
womb. So much better than the other
translations. They seem to be pretty decent
translations. All of them except for, you
know, the select few. But once again, we're stuck with

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the problem. Yeah, we're stuck with the
problem of all are valid, then none is authoritative.
I didn't say all. I didn't say all.
I said there are exceptions, like the Jehovah Witness Bible.
Of course we know that there areclear arrows and insertions.
The New World Translation figurethat out just by comparing copy
to copy. So.
But all things through made through him or I'm in the middle

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man. That doesn't.
No, that doesn't. No, it doesn't.
No, it doesn't. Especially if you read it in the
Greek. We're made in your brain.
I'm I'm already exhausted because you won't listen.
Yeah, all things. Oh, we will wear you out.
I'm fresh, but I'm going to. I'm going to go.
We're grasping for straws. No, I'm definitely not grasping

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for straws. You don't see a major doctrinal
change. That's on you.
No, that's that's not. No, it is not.
Oh, it is. It really is, though you still
fail to prove that the textual variances cause a major
doctrinal issue. If I said all finances come
through me, then they come through me.
If yeah, if you're Bible review,I don't get it.

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I don't see the problem. Down to the middleman creation
grasping for straws. OK, Yeah, he is.
Yeah. Go ahead.
You go ahead and believe that. Yeah.
Jill, like I said before, this is the same guy who couldn't
even put up an argument against the, the, the the textual
variances and how they don't pose a major threat.
There's some differences, yes, between the different

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manuscripts. Yeah, you.
But there's no but the integrity.
But the integrity of the messageis still there.
I like the Berean literal Bible.It says all because you're
getting cooked. That's why.
No, because you guys are so clueless.
You getting you can see how you're being understand shit

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about. You got taken out like a
jihadist made by Hey Brandon, what do you do with First
Corinthians 860? Let's hear it.
Don't do it. Don't do it.
You think that I'm not loaded with the King James Bible?

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I got more King James ammunitionthan these King James only guys
got. They'll never, I'll never run
out of ammunition with the wholearmor of God.
You said First Corinthians. This ain't going to happen.
Would you say First Corinthians?What?
And he won't read it. He's afraid to read it out of
the King James. I'm so afraid to read it.

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Read it then. Is it out of the King James?
Yeah. What do you think about it?
You think I'd quote anything else?
First Corinthians. Well, this would actually help
Brandon, but anyway. But to us there is but one God,
the father of whom all things and you didn't read it, did you?
Are you skipping the italic sound like Graham cracker does

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or what? What are you talking about?
What? You just skipped the italic word
RARE you want me to play it backto you anything but now read it
accurately, please. Oh man, this is fucking.
It's exhausting to talk with you.
It is exhausting to hear King James.
Only people not read it correctly and they all bark

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about it now read it correctly. But to us there is but one God,
the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him, and 1
Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.
So does that say bye or does it say through it says bye, but

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that's. But let me ask you the question
here. What's the I'll tell you what
the issue is if you give me unless you want to take an hour
to talk over the top of me. I mean, we can wait how long you
want to wait because I got I canwait till I can go cut some
trees though. OK.

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But to us there is but one God. OK, listen to this.
There is one God the Father, right?
Is God the Father? He is.
So to us there is but one God the Father.
Now does he mention the Son herein this account?

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Whoever the Lord Jesus Christ, Yeah.
But to us there is but one God the Father, of whom are all
things. So The Who created all things
that the Father or the Son is Jesus the everlasting Father?
I believe so. I do too.

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I don't need to be called a molt.
What is that they call you when you believe that?
That Jesus is the everlasting Father?
His name and his name shall be called it.
Wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father.
What's wrong with that? He's the everlasting Father, but
as soon as you change made by him to through him, now you have

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altered the doctrine. That's what I'm trying, not
altering any doctrine. You change that it was made by
him to it was made through him. Now it makes it look as though
the Father is the creator and Jesus is just the middleman.
But if they're all God, why doesit matter?
Smokey, are you back now? You might be if, if they're all

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God, right, if they're all God, if God created everything, then
all three would would be all-encompassing because they're
all God. So it wouldn't matter, right?
So it'd be very who's the S In Genesis 1, God said, let us make
men in our image. Who's the S So real quick
though, let's just point out that you know, by dude, fuck

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Dave, we can't you, you got to chill.
It's a real quick question. Should be elementary to you.
I don't know. It's the father of the Son and
the Holy Ghost. There you go.
So now back to First CorinthiansA6.
OK, by changing the words to through him instead of made by

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him, that's how you have now just doctrinally reduced Jesus
down to the middleman of creation.
How that of being the Oh my Lordstating the argument.
You're not telling us how if I said everything is through me,
I'm not suggesting there's a middleman.

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Here's the problem. I'm here's the problem.
Brandon, hold on. You talk.
You've you've talked. Let me speak Now what you're
doing is you're worrying about what a Unitarian is going to
argue after the fact. Who cares if they argue?
I'm arguing about which Bible should be the finish my point.
Can I finish my point? I say it's the Geneva Bible.

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I'm GBO now I'm Geneva Bible only.
Who cares if they are and you know why?
Because the the the King James Bible was written by Anglicans
who were from the mother whore Babylon church and they all went
to hell and the other guys that made the Geneva Bible before the
King James were Protestant. I'd like to choose my point, if

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that's totally you said, you said they were from the mother
horror or whatever nonsense. That was the first degree of
separation from the Catholic Church.
That's what the Geneva Bible represented.
I've been over all of this. Let's let Jill ask his question
instead of fucking wrecking balls.
I got to get. Yeah, I got to learn this stuff.
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I think we're, we're

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worried about, and I and I thinkI know where you're coming from.
We're we're worried about what the Unitarian is going to say
because they're going to read this and read into this verse
that the Father is creating through the son, even though the
text that's foreign or absent from the text itself.
OK. But simply because hold on, hold
on, hold on, hold on. Simply because they can do that

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doesn't mean that we have to walk on egg shells when it comes
to whether it be through or by. OK, But we still have to remind,
hold on. We still have to remind the
Unitarian that they're adding inor they're infusing the father
into the story because he's nowhere in this story.
He's nowhere here in this text, at least.
So the father is not mentioned. OK.

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OK. So, yeah, But you can at least
be honest enough to admit that you're by changing that one
little word there. It you it does create doctrinal
differences. No, no, because they already.
You just set the unit down. Hold on.
Hold on. Let me respond.
They already they had doctrinal differences.

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What they will do is they will look for instances like this in
the text where they can interpolate or they can add into
the Father look it says through the Son.
Therefore, this must be talking about the Father.
Let me ask you this, though. You see, Brandon, do you add the

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serpent having knowing Eve in Genesis 4 to make your serpent
seed doctor, you add, do you want to have a serious
discussion on the matter or do you want to just sit here and
keep keep making these childish little fucking outburst remarks
that said they're all just Satanand sexual name and blah, blah,
blah. It's way deeper than that.

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You're again, you're you know, you know, I got the ability.
I'm very good at what I do. I'm I could shut this whole
circus off and just go Bible with my wife and the hell with
everybody. I'm not kidding.
Hey, that that sounds. I'll do it right now.
There you go. Do it.
Then. Do it.
All right. Bye, you fucking macho mouth.
Bye. So anyways, yeah, these are

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causing doctrinal errors. And this is I'm putting this
monkey back in here so his broadcast stays running.
I'm done. They didn't cause the doctrinal
error. The doctrinal error was already
the case. What they are doing is they're
looking, they're so desperate for it to prove their doctrine
that they will cling to something like this.

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So there's no need to worry so many more.
I'm just trying to give 5 littleexamples of how you have changed
the foundational doctrine of Christ by changing him, by
reducing him to a middleman. Hey, yo, that that's my opinion,
OK? That's what I see.

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What is happening is all these little subtle changes are
creating more and more doctrinaldifferences and now you just
have this big mess of what brandof Christian are you?
It's disgusting that that question even exists.
And it shows that we, the bride of Christ, that's the true

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spiritual Israel, We are totallydropping the ball all the way.
This is not of one mind. This is not a body of Christ.
We're not all working for the same corporation here.
You got everybody, you know, everybody's trying to make a
buck on this or on that. So that's what I'm standing

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against is this. There has to be an authority
here. You can keep the other Bibles
for study guides and all that stuff.
That's great. But we have to have an authority
on what is the true doctrine of the Church of the body of
Christ, of Israel, spiritual Israel.
And it ain't Calvinism. As soon as you take free will

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out of the equation, you got a whole bunch of new doctrinal
problems. That's it.
Here we go again. Why we got to get serious about
that? Well, it's you got to get
serious about it, man, because now you got to and that that
that to me is I heard that the date over.

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But you know, something like through and by I mean, come on.
So do you think that the well, let me ask, do you think that
the I did? And there's there's really no
distinction as far as linguisticleak is concerned.
I could say through me by me still not not actually

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suggesting there's someone over me.
You have to actually impose thaton to the my argument on my
statement. In order for that to be the
case. You have to impose that it's not
something that's derived from the text.
It's not an exegeted idea. It's one that's ice ageated.
So you can still remind the Unitarian of that fact that

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you're, you're infusing the Father into the the equation,
even though it doesn't mention the Father and Jesus being the
middleman. Let me ask you this.
Yeah, let me ask you this real quick.
Do you think it would be important at all to investigate
who published whatever lexicon you're using and find out what

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did those people believe that published this lexicon?
You know, 'cause what's his name, what's the concordance?
That Strong's Concordance wasn'teven a believer in Christ.
That's I, I find that off putting.
Strong's wasn't a believer. Yeah.

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You're not a believer in James Strong wasn't a believer.
He was a Methodist. No, he wasn't.
I'm Strong was a Methodist. Please, just just research it
yourself, OK? I'm telling you the truth.
And it's because he was a Methodist.
He wasn't a believer. It's because he was a Methodist.
What, you don't like his? No, no, no, no.

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So what is So what? What was it about his teaching
that was not Christian or in hiswritings?
Many. Yeah, in many of his writings.
He he in his personal writings and stuff.
It proves he was not a believer.Please give us an example for
yourself. I would recommend this is I

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would recommend I would recommend this isn't leverage.
Look dude, I mean because we don't have fucking.
I don't have any more time to sit here and keep going over
this. But if you're not just be like,
oh go look it up for yourself. Been this has been debated 1000
times. That's why I'm shocked.

(04:24:29):
I've never heard of this information.
See. Yeah.
Because usually you got everything all figured out, and
you're not studying. Well, you're not.
You're not explaining yourself. So we don't need to actually
take you seriously. Can you give us one example?
We're not telling you to give usall the examples.
Just give us one. What do you mean?
I mean, did he teach? Jesus?
Wasn't God? Thank you.

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Give us something I just gave you all of the how they've
changed these 7 verses, the seven verses that claim that
Jesus is clearly God. The argue Jesus, you argue
strong was not a Christian. So what is your evidence for
that? What what doctrine did he argue

(04:25:11):
did he did? What heresy did he promote?
Will you do me a favor 'cause you know you're you're going to
have to marionism. What is it?
Deism, probably, most likely pantheism is what he pantheism?
Okay, what evidence you have of that?
What pantheism? Okay, there's a let me tell you

(04:25:33):
the evidence real quick. I'm going to give you the
evidence, Okay. There's a documentary by Chris
Pinto called A Lamp in the Dark.You should totally watch it.
It's the true history of the Bible.
And you should be aware that I could prove to you in total fact
that the all these Bible versions are totally were

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hatched by the Jesuit order in the counter Reformation.
They even wrote it down. They put it in writing dude.
So you have no evidence. Strong was an unbeliever.
I know you're, you're just let me help you.
Let me help you be a little bit more honest.

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You are. You believe that he is.
You believe that he is an unbeliever because you believe
that that's evident through his definitions and his concordance.
So based on the definitions in his concordance, we concluded
that he is not a believer. Gotcha, gotcha.

(04:26:35):
Yeah. Now you want to bring up a
document. That's all the documentary is
doing in the documentary. That's all the documentary.
Go to Tom. That's what we call yellow
journalist. Also go to the.
That's something a liberal woulddo.
That's not something a Christianshould be practicing in.
OK, OK, here we go. Doing in investigation.

(04:26:57):
You shouldn't tell me what a Christian that is.
Honest, Mr. Calvinist. Be honest.
Hey, Jill, tell me. Tell me if James Strong sounds
like a Christian. Ready so he He believed in the
divinity and sinlessness of Jesus, recognizing him as the
incarnated Son of God who grew in wisdom, stature, and favor
with God and man. He also believed Jesus was

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tempted yet without sin, and demonstrated perfect obedience
through suffering, ultimately triumphing over all temptations.
Strong. Strong was a believer, it's no
doubt. And there you go, You read it.
You read it there. Folks.
Just believe whatever Jared justread.
You shouldn't investigate the matter in depth at all.
Well, he investigated. Jared investigated.

(04:27:40):
Read out the fucking Wikipedia. You have a documentary online.
Big deal doc, you documentary. I have a documentary.
Therefore, I'm correct. You fucking look.
My documentary is on Netflix, Central Park 5.
Do your thing. I know what happened.

(04:28:02):
I know what happened because I saw a documentary.
Best of luck with your fucking doctrinal errors.
Best of luck. There you go.
Because you don't have the doctrine of Christ, buddy.
Hate to break it to you. You don't even have it.
You don't even know what the doctrine of Christ.

(04:28:22):
Then you start to sound. I gave you the whole point of
it. Yeah.
You don't think that there's. Are you also a Calvinist, Jared?
No, but I do. But I do adhere to the P of
Tulip. OK, Well, then you have
doctrinal errors, buddy, becauseI adhere to the P of Tulip.
Yeah, because. Oh, the.

(04:28:44):
Oh, just the P in Tulip. I got you.
Yeah, just just the P, I don't agree with the other points.
Well anyways, all's I'm saying dude is that yes, doctrine is
important. We got to get this shit
straight. Wait, hold on, I have a
question. Why should I have like
professionals? Why?

(04:29:05):
Why should I put your documentary over what I just re
researched? Why does your documentary have
more authority over what I just researched?
Because a brother in Christ tookthe time and spent his own money
creating a documentary that goesvery in depth on this matter so
that blind ass Christians can get their head out of their ass

(04:29:26):
and start getting on the right doctrine and understanding who
the enemy is and quit playing games with God.
That's why it's important. But but him spending money and
doing all that stuff doesn't make him more correct.
OK, well, you know, facts and proof should persuade you.
That's all I'm going to say. Facts and evidence should

(04:29:49):
persuade you. If you have a logical, rational,
sound mind, then let the truth lead the way.
That's all I would recommend allthe way to the papacy.
Not not for me. I'm I'm heading in the in the
opposite direction of the fucking papacy because that's

(04:30:09):
Satan's church buddy. Oh I love Satan's church is so
glad I live in a Jesuit controlled country where
Protestants are just self destructing.
I love just being a Jesuit. I love the conspiracies.
I love the fact I just love the deconstruction of Protestant
America. What a what a what a great time
to live in. I am totally appreciate this

(04:30:31):
guy's sarcasm. Who is this that we are talking
to, brother, You are talking to fro.
What? You ain't fro?
Yeah, I am. I'm a different fro.
Yeah, we can claim whatever. You are different.
No, I I actually appreciate his sarcasm because he was actually
being totally honest. We are in a totally Jesuit

(04:30:53):
controlled society right now. And here's the thing.
Here's the thing Brendan, as a Catholic, and I am Catholic, I
hear all those conspiracy theories.
You have no idea how much I wishall of that was true.
OK, unfortunately it's not and so I can't claim it's true
outside of sarcasm. So wait a minute.
So, so you're cool with the Inquisitions and everything for,

(04:31:17):
you know, we can just call anybody a heretic and kill them.
OK, so I don't know if Smoke is listening or not, but I and I, I
am on the debate with Smokey St.on the ethics of the
Inquisitions. So actually I've, I've actually
have gone, I've gone out on a limb already to support them.
OK, that and I, I know it's on my channel.
I don't know if it's still on the Praise I Am channel, but

(04:31:40):
that's where the format happened.
Huh. Yeah, I remember fro.
Yeah, We had a good debate. I enjoyed it.
So would Jesus. Yeah.
So are they getting time that anyone's done anything?
The murder for the faith still isn't a good idea, but that's
me. Fair enough.

(04:32:01):
Yeah, I'm not going to kick Brandon just yet.
I know that like and here's the thing, like Brandon, when he
goes over to I do got to get back to work and well, they get
the fuck out of here when he goes over to his channel and
streams for his when when he goes over to his channel
streams, he'll get like one person to watch and maybe one
person to come in and talk. Usually the one person that's

(04:32:23):
watching will come in and talk to him or something that have
zero person, you know, watching him.
And so he goes on to some of these larger channels to
basically, you know, spurg out his bullshit, you know, and
Dave's channel, of course. And now of course, you got to
come over on my channel as well.I would like you to know this.
You didn't really spend any timetackling any of my argument that

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proves his particular God doesn't exist.
He didn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, but he didn't want to
sit here and bloviate for the better part of what was this 90
minutes ish or something about his dumb, you know, idiotic
self-made technology that's justbetter than everyone else and
better than everything in the entirety of church antiquity.
And taking a very, very rigid interpretation of some verses as

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if to I guess negate the father from the creation event all
together, which is astounding. That is astounding to not only
come to that viewpoint, but thento push it as some sort of
salvific doctrine. And really, honestly, if you
think about it in terms of the Bible's warnings about unjust
judgment and you being judged bythe standard you judge by,

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Brandon holding the position that you need to adopt his weird
fringe view of Christianity in order to be saved, essentially
condemns the rest of you to hell, even though it makes no
sense and is completely implausible.
And and ridiculous and not basedin any real study or knowledge

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or history or theology or even basic philosophy.
It's all just a bunch of hot fucking noise.
And then he makes it a salvific matter.
And now the query is when Brandon gets to the pearly
gates, when it gets to Judgment Day and God is looking at him,
is God going to do what he promised and hold Brandon to the
standard by what she is judged since he's judged?

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You know, the entirety of churchantiquity as unsaved and judged,
you know, all of us unsaved and everyone else unsaved 'cause
they don't adopt his weird crazyfringe, you know, cult, you
know, contract doctrine and the serpent scene and all this
bullshit. You know, we're all fucked.
You know, 'cause we, we need to listen to Prophet Brandon,
Prophet Brandon Irish come and bringing us the true core of

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actual salvific doctrine 'cause he's got the interpretation and
he didn't find it anywhere, didn't learn it anywhere.
He just came up with it, and it is powerful enough and
meaningful enough to override the entirety of the teachings of
church antiquity. That is how arrogant and
profusely sick Brandon Irish is in the head and the soul in the

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heart. So if God keeps His promise.
And Brandon is indeed wrong about all of this and made all
of this nonsense. It's salvation matter.
You could take pretty high probable chance that if God does
indeed exist, and if hell doesn't indeed exist, well,
Brandon's going to spend the rest of eternity screaming and
burning there, having judged people by his nonsensical,

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ridiculous, made-up doctrine andbeing deviant and condemning to
all those that don't accept his nonsense.
If he thinks everyone goes to hell for not accepting it, they
better be damn right that he's got it 100% down, or else Jesus
might decide to just hold him that standard.
And if he gets it wrong, well, then maybe he has to go to hell.
So, you know, I should take someweight into the decisions.

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You suppose that Christians out there, you know, not that any of
you fucking believe your book anyway.
But I mean, assuming you did, then you would want to apply
some of these principles and practices in terms of especially
highlighting someone like Brandon and be able to at least
somewhat figure out what this guy's about in relatively quick

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order. And, and thankfully at least I
will vote for this. Brandon is so goddamn ridiculous
that even the idiots aren't conducted.
So at least, you know, I guess in terms of, you know what, yay
for the Kingdom of God that Brandon Hap happens to be one of
those tools of evil that's too fucking retarded to be
persuasive. So anyway, hello everyone.

(04:36:21):
I'm back here a little bit. Just got back a few minutes ago.
So hey, smoggy. And well, the thing of it is, I
think Brandon Irish will unironically be more sane if he
just I think he used to be Catholic.
I think he's probably more sane as a Catholic than whatever the
hell he is now. Probably, yeah, probably.
Like, I think just there's if there's a conspiracy theory out

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there fro Brandon will will pickit up.
Yeah, it's like pretty much everything now, whether you like
the Catholic Church or not, whether you opposed to it, I
think if you love Brandon, you should support his reversion to
it just for his own sanity. Again.
I mean, my goodness, I actually can't even disagree with that.

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I don't think exactly, Smokey. I was, I was so confused by by
seeing this dream because I was like, we had such a great
conversation last night. And then I saw the yeah, well, I
didn't exactly wear my feelings on my sleeve last night, Jared,
honestly, But I've been thinkingabout this the last couple days.
So. Oh, OK.

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Yeah. So, so I have a question.
Are you, are you saying like, like I'm, I'm just maybe I'm
just asking for clarification. Are you saying that the God that
they believe in and serve you don't believe in, but you
believe in the God of the of what Scripture describes?

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I'm not entirely sure how to answer that specific question
right now, to be honest with you, Jared.
There's there's existential ontological issues that I'm
considering and reassessing and looking into.
There's metas to all of this bullshit that we're all involved

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in. That has me wondering about how
keen and trusting we've been to actually dissuade all possible
deceptions or false facts being fed to us for opportunistic
grabs of power by certain entities or principalities or
wherever you want to put it. It's becoming increasingly

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difficult for me to see the practical real world
manifestation of things that theBible seems to claim are
intended and supposed to and areactualized reality.
So it's it's been a challenge toreconcile some of these things
that I've seen and particularly since I came back, but certainly

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over the last, you know, five tosix years.
And if you guys look down the description, you'll see quite a
list. I mean, this is stuff from, you
know, back in my youth type stuff that all of these people
in my view, have kind of in in their own special, unique kind
of way contributed to me kind ofhaving this moment of genuine

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reassessment. Because keep in mind, it's not
like my beliefs have stayed static.
You know, I, you know, started very fundamentalist, you know,
and young earth and non denominational with some
Lutheran, you know, thrown in there exposed to Catholicism and
various other different, you know, doctrines of cults and my

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apologetic study at seminary andthen, you know, philosophy and
all. I mean, it's not like this is
not something I have not thoughtabout pretty deeply for a very,
very long time. And I'm fully aware that every
single one of us has the power to deceive ourselves with
whatever we tend to be emotionally leaning to want to

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believe. And I think I need to examine
myself honestly and with a senseof as much objective sincerity
as I can to make sure I haven't adopted something just because
it was comfortable. And easy.
I've watched all these free gracers do that.
I've watched them ignore blatantly clear arguments and

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dig into their nonsense and be convinced with such absolute
undying certainty that there's no way they could be possibly
wrong, even when it's staring them right in the face and
they're having to realize that their doctrine makes no sense.
So what? What God is manifesting around
people who quote, UN quote, justhave to believe and have has no

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power, no ability to teach, no ability to guide the truth, no
ability to glean some sense of consistency, no ability to bring
the church together. What is this inept, powerless
God that everyone is telling me is is working through the church
and making the world a better place?
Because I don't see that. I see the promise of it.

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I see the idea that it should bethere, but I don't actually see
it. I don't see in any of these
denominational buildings anywhere.
If any of you could point out where the fucking church is,
like, can you give me directions?
Is it on a map? You know?
Is there somewhere I can go to find where there's a collection
of believers that actually act like a collection of believers?

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Is there anyone that can point me in any direction with people
who anymore care about the commands and dictations of
Christ and the idea that you have to follow him in your daily
life? Can anyone point me to one of
these God damn buildings made a brick and stone filled about
with a bunch of wood and hay andstubble and trash fashioned into

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different images that I'm supposed to fucking kiss and
worship the bow down to, you know?
I mean where, where is the church?
Is it? Is it with the Roman Catholics
who only emerged after 1050 AD when they perverted 1000 years
of church history in order to institute a fucking Pope to
settle a fucking dispute with political leverage instead of

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caring for the actual truth? And why?
All because we got to be hyper hyper fucking specific because
some dirty cunt popped up with another heresy.
We can't just allow certain things to rest in the mystery of
the divine. Now we have to do the one thing
that 1000 years of Church history told us not to do and
over define the Trinity. And you all did it.

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Every fucking one of you, both the Catholics and the Orthodox.
You both fell into the same fucking trap.
And where did Church tradition go?
Right down the fucking toilet and right after 749AD you, none
of you, none of you actually held to nor protected nor kept
the Church tradition you claim to respect and hold.
None of you, Not you Catholics, not you Orthodox, not you

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Protestants, fucking none of you.
So, so I'll, if I can, I'll address the two points, One
point being a question and then the other one addressing your
question. So my, my question is, is, are
you, are you allowing fallible human beings to determine your

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perception on who Jesus is? Well, it's not my issue with the
fallible human beings themselves.
It's the idea that this seemingly powerful,
intrinsically good God has cultivated an environment of
sheer unending injustice and an inability to possess or exert
any type of sovereignty whatsoever over his church to

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where it's now a mishmashed bunch of God damn garbage where
even a young believer, what fucking hope does a young
believer have? I imagine to yourselves in this
room someone just decides they watch some fucking, I don't
know, standing for truth video or something, and by some
miracle they're convinced by some stupid ass young earth

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argument that they now believe in Jesus.
Where are they going to go? Are they going to stick to the
Standing for Truth channel wherethey're going to learn hyper
grace and they can never lose their salvation and live any way
they want? Are they going to move on to a
Catholic channel and start feeling that they got to pray
the rosary and the Hail Mary anddo their confessions and eat
their cannibal crackers every week or they're going to burn in

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hell forever? Are they going to take on the
Eastern Orthodox and their collection of, you know,
interesting doctrines, includingthe iconography, which I just
absolutely loathe? I think it's nonsense.
You're all you realize, you're all predicating the value of
yourselves. You don't know what the fuck
these things look like. You don't know what the fuck
these people look like. You don't know what the fuck
Michael or Gabriel or Paul or Peter or any of these people

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look like. But you make a little fucking
statue. You feel like you kind of got it
close enough, and then you predicate the value to make it
fucking holy. It's such a God damn joke.
It's such a fucking joke. OK, Do you?
So here's the thing. I don't think I'm in a positive.
I don't think you're in a state where anything I say it actually

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matters. I think we need to calm down
here. And so I'm not going to be able
to be of any much help to you till much later.
But do you mind if I just ask you some questions?
See, I don't care fro go ahead. OK.
A thing about is what does why does it matter to you that these
images have to be 1 to one? What the actual person?
Because without God predicating the image without God

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predicating the image that it has no predicated value other
than what US, the subjective agents have predicated upon it
to claim something holy because predication we fallible beings
that don't even know what the image actually looks like are
somehow predicating holiness upon an image that was not
ordained or dictated by God is comically absurd.

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It's ridiculous. I could, you know, I could
fashion, let's say this. Let me ask you this fro let's
say I fashion a kind of close likeness, like not so great
rough and shabby likeness of Christ on the cross, right?
And I do it in, in, in your, I don't know, some sort of nice
elaborate hard oak wood, right? And I craft some sort, it's

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rough, it's shabby. It don't really look that great,
right? But you know, it's, it's in this
nice kind of wood and it's got a, you know, maybe I'd paint it
with some veneer or something. There's a little bit of shine to
it, but it's just, it's really rough and kind of ugly.
Doesn't really look much like Jesus.
But you know, you kind of get the general idea that it's a
Godzilla cross, you know, And then and then I go and I take a

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big giant pile of human shit andI shape it and form it in the
most pristine artistic, close topossible form like Shroud of
Turin type of fucking look whereit is absolutely pristine, dead
on the money as much as you could probably close to.
And it's beautiful, but it's made out of human shit.

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Which one earns more veneration?Well, I would say the former
would, because the latter, as much as you want to claim its
beauty, really isn't because what the material you made out
of makes all the difference. The things that are beautiful
draw us to. Is there a place in the Bible
where God gives that idea where what it's made out of, you know,

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makes all the difference in terms of a venerated icon?
Because you guys use all types of stuff, you know, wood, glass,
you know, stone, masonry, ceramic, all of it, you know,
really. So is there, are there holy
materials and unholy materials? And how close of a likeness do
you need to get to, you know, for it to be valid?
Since you're just predicating all the value to it yourself

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anyway and telling God that it'sholy.
So are you really suggesting thehuman excrement is actually a
valid building material for these kinds of icons?
Well, I don't know fro is there a list somewhere in either
church history or maybe somewhere and and I don't know
the Bible that would tell me what materials I'm allowed to
use to build venerated icons. Yeah, you kind of your own

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conscience and your instinct of discussion too the truth.
Well, that's subjective and thatdoesn't tell me shit now.
No, it's not subjective. Maybe I'm from a country, maybe
I'm from a some God knows somewhere country where they eat
shit and maybe building it into some sort of venerated statue is
giving gift for food to Christ for some way, I don't know.

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Does that make it invalid? Is it, is it not to be venerated
because it's made out of a, a, acertain kind of dirt that
happened to pass through a humanbody?
What do you think all that masonry by the way you're
building all your shit out of? You think there's no animal shit
in any of the stones and rocks and everything, But what, what
what what caliber They tell me? What ratio of shit to material

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do you think is acceptable in terms of a venerated icon?
What do you think? Well, there probably wouldn't be
any in there because that's not how like geology works.
But again, that's not that's waybesides the point.
The fact of the matter is the things like beauty in disgust,
they are not subjective, okay. And the fact that beauty is
actually something universal andwe can recognize things that

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are, even if other people don't find them beautiful, OK, There
are certain things that we do find disgusting and certain
things we do find beauty in. And so it's not exactly, it's
not exactly universal, but it's far from subjective.
That's the thing you'd I, I don't think there is a culture
where they have made a delicacy of human excrements, OK?

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We just know by nature that's that that's that's heinous.
You kind of skipped over the whole point of it.
Pro really is that in all of this, but to be I'm sorry,
smoke, mate, you're kind of going all over the place.
I don't quite know what your point is.
So well, I'm trying to well, I'mtrying to stay pretty clear to
it. I in fact, I've restated the
thesis multiple times. I give it to you again, and
everything I've said has been tosupport this thesis.

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Go ahead. The only value to the item is
that which the subjective agent,you, the infallible subjective
agent, has predicated upon it and decided what it should be
made of. It all comes from you.
At the very least, what we couldsay is that at the very least,
the temple utensils and the ark of the Covenant were dictated by
God. Now, if they're dictated by God,

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their value and their image is predicated by God.
God knows what these things are supposed to look like because,
well, he's God. We don't.
We just make a guess and if it'sbeautiful enough, quote UN quote
beautiful enough of a gas, doesn't matter how accurate it
is or if it's really truly representing an image, the thing

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that it's claiming to represent,which in all likelihood isn't,
and you're just betting that, well, it's close enough for me
to decide to predicate the valueof the image or the icon upon
it. It's not coming from God, it's
coming from you. So to me, you dictate to God

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what is holy by what you create and then predicate holiness to,
and I believe that is a station for God alone.
So let me ask you questions and so make sure I know what you're
saying. Are you suggesting therefore
icons and images of divine beings such as angels or even
God himself are things that haveto be sanctioned by God himself?

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Is that about your position? If there is something to be used
in some sort of, and I don't care what capacity you want to
claim it is worship of any kind.Yes, I believe that it should be
the type of thing that is sanctioned by God.
I don't think, for instance, letme give you an example.

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I don't think the Eastern Orthodox priest standing in the
temple is having his prayers heard more than the pauper on
the street. Just because the priest is
handing, you know, holding the Holy censor or rod or cane or
whatever that thing is, he has to hold his hand the whole time
he's preaching. I don't think God is for some

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reason respecting and listening to that man's prayer over the
common popper. Christ spent all of his
attention on the lowly and the meek.
Even the lowly and the meek are of the highest station in
heaven. I don't think this idea of this
hierarchical tier of holiness isanything to go off of.

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I found it obtuse and offensive.And now the idea that someone of
a certain position can create a thing with a rough guesstimate
of whether they're even remotelyclose to what it actually looks
like or not. I mean, look at your images of
angels. Are they floating around with
all the ribbons and the Halos and the and the lights And did

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you, did any of you see this? Did you, any of you know that
this is an adequate representation of the being?
Oh, no, you're just saying this is him.
You get to choose what they looklike.
You get to decide based upon your own finite, third
dimensional, limited imaginationwhat these higher dimensional

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beings look like. Create an icon that you just
assume and demand is appropriateenough representation of them to
make them wholly and venerate them.
It is a comically absurd practice to me Fro comically
absurd thing about it is, and I think I get where you're coming

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from, but what a lot of people would just kind of respond to
that is that you're making an objection that, quite Simply
put, really doesn't matter to usbecause that's not the point.
The point of these icons, the point of these icons is
basically to convey beauty, because ultimately beauty is
what draws people to God. Like I don't want, I don't want

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the made-up, fantastical, inaccurate beauty of so-called
men fro telling me that these things that come from the
imaginations of men and the hands of men.
And, you know, do you think there was any significance that
when, when God would tell the Jews to like build an altar or

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one of the one of the prophets to build an altar that he said
to use uncut stones, no stone put to human hands.
You, you think you think there was any significance to that?
You think in terms of a revelation of God's character
about images, icon symbols, things like that.
You don't think that said something?
Probably not, because the issue is that you're already

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approaching these stories in theTorah as if that's from God.
But here's the point. I can easily just play.
Hold on, hold on. I can easily just play your game
and say the Torah is the invention of the hands of men
and the Ark of the Covenant. God didn't tell you to build
that. Men did that.
The Temple. God didn't want that.
Men did that. And so I can easily just play
your game and accuse every othercompeting tradition of just

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being from the hands of men and dismiss them outright.
I mean, I'm not Christian anymore.
I'm not Christian anymore. So that sounds great.
Let's do that. Sounds good.
And now the issue about that is I don't think that's where
you're at because you're clearlyappealing to the Torah for a
particular reason here. Well, I'm doing an internal
critique, you know what I mean? And so any of this shit, I'm

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doing internal critique within Christianity, it doesn't, it
doesn't mean I necessarily have to hold that position if I'm
just doing an internal critique.Yeah.
And and this is the thing. This is also ultimately what the
mystery of prayer, not prayer, the mystery of faith.
Is that what we believe might not be true?
That's ultimately a pill that every person of faith has to

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swallow. Things that are that things that
you can rationally justify, likeI think you can rationally
justify the existence of God. That doesn't mean you're ever
going to have a complete certainty of it.
When we're making our icons, we do this because they're
beautiful beauty draws. You know, you didn't understand
my point, by the way, or you just skipped over it, by the
way. No, I am, I do understand your

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point, but my, my resort to thatis that so the Bible, you, you
can't say that the Bible was just the product of human hands
'cause that's one of the things like the ark that was dictated
by God, inspired by God. So God, that shit you guys build
has no such critical history or,or alignment to it.
You can claim it. Oh yeah, God came to me in a

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vision and said I should make that, you know.
Alright, so how do you know the Bible's dictated by God?
How do you know the Ark of the Covenant was dictated by God?
Well, I, again, I'm in the internal critique mode.
So, so I'm, I'm operating with the idea that there is an
acceptance that the Bible is at least somewhat true, if not
allegorical and metaphorical only at least somewhat true.
So I'm at least conceding that point for the sake of the

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internal critique of the argument.
So, so if that's true and there's inspiration to both the
Ark of the Covenant, the temple utensils, as well as the Bible
itself, that stands in stark contrast to the guy who just
decides to carve some wooden cross and now it becomes a
venerated relic. You know, now the issue you kind
of run into now is what you are saying is that there are icons

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and there are idols that God hadcommanded to be made.
OK, this is where this is where what we say again, I'm not
saying that I'm not saying that I the the utensils and I'm not
saying that the utensils and theand the temple were any way like
directly intended for some kind of like direct worship.

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I'm, I'm accepting the fact thatI, I know your your argument,
you're apologetic of the idea that these are conduits, you
know, for the worship to God. I get it.
But these are conduits to the worship of God, not conduits to
Saints and dead people. It's a little bit of a different
universe there, number one. Number two, the things that were
in the temple that were using any type of worship were

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directly ordained, directly described by God to be built,
which means the value of them ispredicated by God himself.
The image of what they are that gives them the value is
predicated by God himself. The rest of this shit, you guys
just make up and call it holy. OK, the fact is that's most of

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Christianity. In fact, here's the thing I
could just argue that is most ofwhat it is to be human thing
about it is where do we actuallyfind the idea that this Bible as
a relic that we basically read that we know comes from the word
of God. That's not really something that
was dictated. That's something that was often
decided centuries after the factthat centuries after the temples

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destroyed. OK.
The thing of it is that all these things, these icons that
we create, the overall, the overriding assumption here is
that we need divine approval forevery single image, for every
single representation. That's just, well, yeah, you get
just you just get to claim that you have that too, and you just
say it and you have. OK, where do you find any

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statement where it says that this is how Gabriel looks, this
is how Michael looks, this is how these things look, and there
isn't allowed to be any other necessarily entailed by their
creation. It is literally not.
It's literally not philosophical.
Here's the thing. No, no.
Here's the thing dude, I suggestyou actually just Google what
Catholic churches look like in Nigeria.

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OK? From how close of a likeness?
How close of a likeness to the Angel Gabriel do I get in order
for it to be valid? The answer is yes.
No, but the answer is yes, I know what you said.
And the answer is yes, it needs to look like Gabriel and needs

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to be representative of Gabriel for I'm him for for you too.
So I'm going to go out front. I'm going to go out front,
right? I got AI got a shit load of
decomposed granite in the front yard, right?
I'm going to go pick up just a random chunk, right?
And I'm going to I'm going to look at it.
I'm going to say, you know what?This looks this big chunk of

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rock sitting in my head. You know what?
That looks enough like, Paul, I'm going to go ahead and put on
my mantle and I'm going to pray to it once a day and ask the
apostle Paul through this randomchunk of fucking rock.
I found out there that I think, I don't know, I don't know what
the guy looked like, but you know, probably something like
this. I don't know.
I mean, rock looks a little Jewish.
So, you know, let's just go withit, right?

(05:00:23):
You know, I put it up on the mantle and I pray to it every
day. Believing I'm praying to Paul am
I am I reaching Paul through this fucking random rock I
picked up? Honestly, yes, because you're
describing something that was anactual lived reality in ancient
evil. No, no, listen, this is what we
should all believe. OK, so you can so Smokey your

(05:00:45):
your in your argument from incredulity isn't an argument.
No, I think I know it's just what's going on.
The idea of the stone being, honestly, the idea of the stone
being presencing of someone is actually a lived reality in the
ancient world. So something that we actually
have is we have. Let me ask you something.
What if I pick up the rock is Peter?

(05:01:06):
Hold on, whatever done. You're right, the rock is Peter.
Yeah, it's supposed to look likePeter.
Okay, so let's say I pick up therock, right?
And I start praying to it and I,I believe in my mind like it
kind of looks like Peter, even though I don't know what Peter
looks like. And it turns out it actually
looks more like Satan. Am I praying to Peter or Satan

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Peter? OK, so so I predicate where it
goes. Why do I need the object?
If I if I predicate, if I'm predicating, if the object and
what it looks like really doesn't fucking matter, then why
do I need the object? I could, I could pray to this

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fucking desk lamp next to me here.
You know what, here, you know what?
Here fro here. Or get on camera.
See. See my microphone.
I see it. What maybe, maybe looks a little
bit like a Jew. Could I say Abraham?
Could I say what, what? What did King David maybe.
Can I pray to my microphone? Have I been praying if I just
say my microphone is the image of Paul for the last six years?

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No, I haven't had this microphone that long.
For the last three months that I've been talking in this
microphone, I've actually been saying prayers to Paul.
I think it looks enough like him, right?
I mean, maybe maybe you know, a very square headed Jewish man.
I don't know if he was square headed black Jewish man matter.
Apparently it just, I just need to think it's enough.

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I just need to predicate the value myself upon it.
So I got a question, Smokey, andit doesn't matter what it looks
like. You know what?
But thank you for saying that for you know what I'm going to
do. You know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to let you know I'm going to go right down the
street here. I happen to know there's a very
nice Satanist temple, OK? And I'm going to go get the
fucking pentagram, OK, And I'm going to do like dashed it.

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OK, I'm going to get the pentagram.
I'm going to get the crucifix and I'm going to post it right
up on the fucking wall because Ican predicate.
I can say, well, you know what? I'm praying through this to the
Mother Mary for her to be the CoRedemptrix and to pray for me to
the father. And this looks like good enough

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of an image for me to channel tospeak to the Mother of God by
putting the cross and the cruiser.
I mean, if it doesn't matter what it looks like, and it could
just be a random fucking stone, even if it looks more like Satan
than it does Peter or Paul, it doesn't matter.
So I can just have anything. You know, Smokey, you seem to be

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making a really good argument that actually beauty and art
matters and iconography veneration.
You see how this looks even to even to just regular, you know,
I, I got my, I got my feeling, you know, you guys can just
think, I don't know what the fuck any of you are going to

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think about this after that. And I really don't give a shit.
But let me be very, very clear, OK, this isn't a good look for
literally anyone and certainly not the church and certainly not
for Christ. All this nonsense bullshit
really is part of the thing thathas just been piling the straws
on my back for a good number of years.

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None of you are appreciative. So like any of the workers,
excuse me for I'm, I'm on something else for just, I
apologize. Go ahead.
Absolutely let you respond. I swear to God, I will let you
respond. I will let you say as much as
you want. I promise I won't even interrupt
you. I will give you the whole floor.
Just let me go ahead. Just let me get this out.

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Pro, I don't dislike you. I hope you know that I'm not
Maddie. I hope.
I hope you. I may be a little.
I'm. I'm at an emotional peak on some
of this shit. I think you can understand.
I don't hate you. We've had good terms in the
past. Please no hard feelings.
I'm not trying to yell at you. Good to see you, buddy.
Excellent. You too.

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My my struggle right now in someintrinsic ways, truthfully is
the mess that is Christianity and what I tend to see, which is
a significant lack of the presence of the so-called
precious Holy Spirit that is supposed to be guiding us into
all truth. Here I look at over and over and
I have all these people that areclaiming to believe Christ, to

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believe on the name of Christ, to believe all these different
various things, to claim to believe the gospel, to claim to
believe what Christ did, all of this.
And yet none of them can get on the same page in any type of
way, while all of them are supposed to at some way have the
Holy Spirit. And then none of you can tell me

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consistently or reasonably what each one is missing, or even in
any type of way that actually makes sense.
And I have nothing but constant environments of screaming
immature toddlers trying to verify and validate their own
flavor of bullshit. And there is a point where it
will wear at you and each one ofyou, well, not each one of you.

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There are, there are numbers of you that have participated in
this with me to where I am. I am burned the fuck out of
Christianity, really at this point, period.
All of it, all variants of it all.
I'm burned out. OK you know I've tried.
Even when I do practice virtue and show forgiveness and

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kindness and mercy, do I even get any credit from my so-called
Christian brothers in the Lord? No, you get it from me.
No, I'm still just an evil hateful cock sucker.
Even when I do show virtue and integrity and try to actually
lead and take patience with people and make peace and accept
apologies and all of this other stuff, and I don't even get

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credit for it. Then by these so-called spirit
filled believers who want to fight me, claim to be serving
Christ, standing up for good, and the only thing they want to
do is silence and destroy. They want to keep me quiet.
They want to keep me from debating.
They want to keep my channel from going.
They want to report me. They want to flag me.
They want to keep me away from anyone that I could possibly

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convince or persuade. And these are people claim to be
led by Christ, where there's clear instruction in the Bible
that I should be allowed to serve my master as I see fit.
And you are fellow servants. It's not your place to tell a
fellow servant what to do when they have a command from their
master. It's not your place, and I don't
care if you respect it or not It's it.

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It really isn't up to you. Even in the Bible's context,
it's not up to you. I'm sorry fro, I need to say
that real quick. I promise you, take as long as
you want. I'm going to go grab another
beverage. I'll be right back.
I am listening. And that's the thing.
That's why I'm not making too many arguments against you or
for you because we, I've been inthat emotional state too.

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So put my all chips on the tablewhere you're at.
Smoke is actually where I was before I became before I became
Catholic because that is just the lived reality of a lot of
Christianity, especially after the 19th century.
We have so many different peoplethat all claim to be leaving the
Holy Spirit. But when you're looking at them

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critically, the Holy Spirit is rather schizophrenic.
And so in the lived reality, it's very, it's virtually
impossible to tell whether or not these people are speaking to
God or they're speaking to themselves.
And quite often it's the latter.And so I think the advice I can
give you or should give you thatwhat you're looking for right
now is stability. And what I think you that you

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need to do is definitely take a rest.
If you burned yourself out, takeall the time you need, take some
space, take, get, get some distance from this.
But this is also the thing too, why I think it's just why I
think the corporate view of the Holy Spirit is just much more of
a blessing that the Holy Spirit doesn't just talk to us

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personally as much as he can. He's normally just talking to us
as a people, not as an individual, 'cause when he, when
we start thinking like that, we get hundreds, hundreds and
hundreds of different peoples all thinking in contradictory
ways. And so the Holy Spirit works
within a people He calls to himself that is united.

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Now, obviously as a Catholic, I have an answer for what that is.
What your answer might be would be different and I will respect
that. The thing of it is, and what we
clearly see is that the people that we often have that we do
good work, good things for when we do good things for God, when
we live according to His law, The lawless ones are the people

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that are going to shit all over that.
That's, and again, this is something that even the Bible
itself promises. And Jesus, who was the best of
all of us, ended up being crucified by the people that
were not even the worst of us, but just by his own people and
his own disciples abandoned him.This is ultimately what it is to

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be a Christian, to accept that you will do good things and the
world will punish you for it. OK, and So what you need, and
that's ultimately something thata Christian has to make peace
with, that we can do good thingsand we can do all the good in
the world, and the world will hate you for it.
And you have to understand, haveto remind yourself that your

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Father God and that hit and thathis Son Jesus sees what you do.
And while it isn't apparent now,you will be rewarded for it in
this life and in the next. And it is the trust of God.
And it is the trust of God's deliverance of you that is the
most difficult part oftentimes, because it's the part where you

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lack the the most amount of agency.
And so my advice to you is take a break, but trust within the
love of God and trust that whereyou go and where you float,
where you end up is where he wants you to be.
And that's that's I'm afraid that's all I can say.
Unless Jill wants to add something more here.

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No fro. I would.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I thought I thought this was I'm
sorry. I was in and out all day for the
past four hours. I don't know how long I'm going,
but I thought the title was justsome sort of knock on free Grace

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or so this is this is real or isthis?
Oh, no, it's, it's, it's, it's very real.
Smokey is Smoke's in a vulnerable place right now and
he needs our mercy rather than our debate and condemnation.
And he was definitely not getting mercy from Brandon Irish

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and and a lot of the other people.
And the fact is, and kind of what I said, I know I can
sympathize with Smokey because I've been where he's at.
And when I came out at the end of it, I became Catholic.
So you left Christianity to become to become Catholic.
In my perspective, I really haven't left Christianity.
But the thing of it is the whole, the whole issue is, and I

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think what I think Smoke's discovering here, I don't expect
Smoke to be Smokey to become Catholic, especially if he has
no interest in it. But what he definitely needs is
a community with stability. And I think the the idea of non
denominationalism and the idea of there being no really hard
truths or beliefs. We just got all guided by the

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Holy Spirit. That's a problem.
That's chaos because everybody believes they're all guided by
the Holy Spirit and they, and the Holy Spirit must be
schizophrenic, including the Catholic Church, right?
Well, exactly. But the issue is, is that the,
the Catholic Church actually hasa method and it has a ability to
know what comes from the Holy Spirit because the, the Holy

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Spirit talks to us as a whole community, not just a person.
And the fact is that what the community of six say or the
community of 20 or the communityof 10,000 say, it would be the
IT would be the IT would be the community of stewards, right?
So isn't that for a particular church denomination?

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Aren't they all saying that we are all hearing from the Lord?
I know, correct. So what's the difference is that
it's that it's stable. OK, You don't have so is theirs.
People saying thousands of different things.
So is theirs. There's a stable among
themselves, just like yours is stable among yourselves, yours
is not stable amongst my congregation and ours, ours

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teachings are not stable amongstyours.
So what's the distinction? So the distinction here.
And again, it's going to depend on where your values lie.
If you kind of value antiquity and you value what kind of
ancient Christianity did believe, I think if you look at
that just even unbiasedly, you're going to come to at least

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something like Orthodox or Catholicism or at least
something in and around that ballpark range.
But now if you I know, well, that's the thing.
I don't think, well, Jill, I'll be honest with you, I don't
think you care what the early Church says.
You yourself have said no, I'm talking about the Bible.
I'm OK with you. Well, I know, I know.
That's that's my point. OK.
The fact is, and this is where was it because the early church

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disagreed with each other on major doctrines?
No, not really. Yes, really.
They had more than you'd think. Hopes disagreed on major
doctrines. True or false?
Popes have disagreed on major doctrines.
I'd say in the false at least I don't false majorly.
What major doctrines are you talking about?
My God? Okay, I'll have What major

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doctrines are you talking about?I'm interested.
Okay, I'll have to get the specifics, but sure there are
several popes that disagreed with each other.
Now you may not consider it major doctrine after hearing
what the doctrine that they disagreed on, but they do
disagree. I mean it's a it's a human
reality. We're not going to agree on
everything. There's nothing wrong with that.

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That doesn't mean that your church is true because your
church agrees on more things. I know then the other church,
the other church might agree, the congressman agree on 20 out
of the 30 things that are taughtsome.
And so this is a, this is a collection of things that we,
that there was absolute universal agreement because in
some things such as who's the rock and such as who is the rock

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in Matthew 16, there are actually conflicting some
beliefs of what that was. Some say it was Peter, some say
it was Peter's confession, some say it was Christ.
You do have that today. However, the majority of
scholars will say it's obviouslyPeter.
That's for neither here nor there.
The one of the doctrines you have that is universal, a

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testament, is the idea of baptismal regeneration and the
true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Like overwhelmingly, there's nota single voice that actually
dissuades from that. And in fact, other Christian
heresies such as the Gnostics came to basically deny that
Christ has a physical body. Or rather, they denied Christ
was in the Eucharist because they denied he had a physical

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body. And so there's already an
assumption very early on in ancient times that the Eucharist
in a very real way actually was Jesus.
And when you actually look at Protestant denominations today,
OK, a lot of them reject that doctrine.
And that's because they just don't care what was believed

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anciently, as long as they have their own interpretation of the
Bible, that's enough for them. But they're different ancient
beliefs. So which ancient belief do we
say is the truth? If there are different, for
example, it's a rigged game, TheCatholic doctrine of papal
infallibility, it's a rigged game.

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You're telling us, you're telling us.
Let me explain why you're telling us that this There are
doctrines that are formal that are considered infallible and
there is no disagreement on those doctrines, but you get to
decide which ones are consideredinfallible and therefore cannot

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be have any disagreement on. So if you disagree in another
area, then that's not consideredinfallible.
So it doesn't matter if you disagreed on that area.
So it's a rig game. That's not how it works.
So you could say, hey, we don't we we all agree on the same
doctrines. No, you don't.
You just all agree on the same doctrines that you consider to

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be infallible. Infallibility works.
You all agree on the same doctrines that you consider to
be infallible, right? Mm.
Hmm. OK, So what doctrines do you not
consider to be infallible? Well, the thing about it is,
what do you mean? I want to say when it comes to
doctrines that are not considered infallible.

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OK, so the doctrines that we don't consider, well, here's the
thing. When it comes to doctrine of the
it's, I believe pro if I can, maybe this helps whichever ones
stick around, Jill. Well, the and so the thing of it
is every doctrine basically is infallible on some degree.

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So case in point, how what's theone?
Yeah, I think this is a good one.
So right now when we're looking at the teaching of say Mary as a
as a what I want to say a Co mediatrix, what when when we say
that what we what we are not actually making that as a dogma.

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It's as in the way in which is Co mediatrix isn't exactly
described, but it's like a pastoral teaching.
Another thing that we can probably say is the supremacy of
the Pope. There wasn't a time in which you
actually had that formally dogmatized for a while, but we
know it was basically kind of a live reality, at least since
Irenius's day. He bears witness to that.

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And so it was a so a lot of these are pastoral teachings
that demand your obedience, and a lot of these are dogmatic
teachings that are essentially formal dogma.
There's no on the essentially the debate has ended on those
things. And so every teaching becomes
infallible to a degree if it's the really the degree of

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infallibility that is often up for debate.
OK, By the way, my wife loves your addiction and cadence.
She complimented it the other day.
Which who of us you fro you. She she she likes the way you
talk, apparently. So just yeah.
And I I don't want to interrupt with Jill where Jill was going.

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It escaped me. Anyway.
Go ahead, Joe. I'm so sorry.
Perceived. Go ahead, guys.
Oh, no. I was just commenting on the
idea that you know, to seem to be mocking that we are led by
the Holy Spirit as if you know, Pope John wasn't led by the
Spirit when he was we see revelation about people not

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seeing God immediately after that and and this is what I was
trying to see. Now he doesn't believe that
anymore. So did the Holy Spirit change
its mind? Did it did it change Pope John's
mind? Was he wrong?
Was that not the Holy Spirit thefirst John changes what hold on
hold on. What did Pope John change his
opinion on you got to well, I just explained that, but you
were you were sort of talking over.
He once believed that the soul of the Christian of at least

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does not see God immediately. Maybe their soul sleep.
Maybe I don't know what happens in between, but now, but then he
later he changes his doctrine, he recants and now he says yes,
the believer. Perhaps he's quoting Paul or
citing Paul where he says to be absent from the bodies and
present with the Lord. I'm not sure, but at one point

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he believed the Holy Spirit toldhim this and then at another
point he we can't. So which Holy Spirit is correct
or are they the OK, so you're talking about Christian
mortalism, right? Or specifically the Pope is Pope
John the 23rd. Is that the one you're talking
about? I have no idea which one it is,

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but the point is, is that you mentioned a weakness of the
Protestant church. Well, is that they are led by
the Holy Spirit and sort of in amocking fashion that we really
don't have any method in which, Oh, I never told, I never said
that about you Shell. I never said that about.

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I'm not saying I'm not saying mepersonally, but you did mention,
OK, led by the Holy Spirit instead of only being led by the
Holy Spirit, quote UN quote. So what was going on with the
with Pope John's vision here when it comes to Christians
after they die? Was this the Holy Spirit the

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first time or was it the Holy Spirit the second time?
I would probably say the Holy Spirit the second time, but I
don't even know the instance which you're talking about, so
I'm kind of forced to speak fromignorance here.
The thing thing of it is though,like that can even easily just
be some kind of gaffe or confusing.

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Again, the Pope saying things like here's the Pope being
infallible does not make him inerrant.
He can make mistakes, OK. And I'd say the fact that it
kind of caused a beatific controversy, because I think
what you're referring to is the controversy of Pope John the
23rd. But you're going to have to

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make, you're going to have to remind me about that and kind of
confirm with me the fact that hesaid that actually caused a
controversy because it already contradicted with infallible
doctrines that were kind of hammered out before his assent
to the. So why can't we do the same with
the Protestant Church We have. I'm not saying you got the gun,

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chill. I'm not saying you do.
Here's the thing. When I see Protestant understand
there are 800 denominations, it is a big, big.
I don't know if there are 800, but go ahead.
Well, that's it's about 800. So no, no, it's about 100 in the
United States, probably, yeah. No, but I'm saying 800 overall.
The thing of it is, yeah, remember the study that went out

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where where you have a bunch of Catholic straw manning and
saying there's like 30-40 thousand different
denominations? I'd say there's about 30 or 40
in America and then the 100 worldwide.
Well, actually, no, it's actually much more diverse than
that because that study was actually being read wrong.
And So what they kind of found is that when you take all of the

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sects of Protestantism, everyonethat kind of came from the
Reformation, you could do about 800 unique traditions.
And that's depending on let me just ask you one question about
the list. I know you don't have a list
because no one will ever be ableto produce one, but the but the
mantra still lives. Can you is the Jehovah Witness a
part of that denominational one of those denominations?

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Yes, OK, not everybody. I appreciate you appreciate not
every. So I don't really I reject that
list. OK, but we can.
And this is the issue, Jill, you're trying to.
Well, that's not the this is theissue.
The issue is, is that you don't obviously, and whoever made this
list don't understand what 1st century Christianity, what

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Christians actually believe. We believe what the Bible, and
that's irrelevant for what apostan is and what the apostles
taught in scripture. OK, that's what they believe.
Jehovah Witnesses don't believe that.
So why are they considered a denomination?
Because they are Protestant, whether or not they're Christian
or not. No, because here's the thing.
You don't even need to take minefor that.

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You can actually trace their theological lineage all the way
to the Millerite movement. The Millerite movement came from
Protestant. We don't care about their
ancestry. We don't care about.
We don't care about where they came from or who they can trace
their line of, and doctrinally they're called doctrinally.
We don't really care about anything else.
OK, I'm going to prevent, I'm going to try to prevent an

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aneurysm from my eyes rolling into the back of my skull here.
But here's the thing. That's how Protestant is defined
according to that, to that study, to what?
That research, Because here's the thing, the idea, the idea,
what they, and they're very clear about this.
They define a Protestant sect assomething that can trace its
lineage down to the Reformation,and that is the Jehovah's

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Witnesses Can't do that. You can trace who is they, who
is the authority. You're saying this is how they
trade. Who is they?
That I used to know it was from that.
It was from a study. Let me do a quick search and
find that for you. But yeah, that's not how we
determine whether or not someoneis of God or their teachings are

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of God. Paul didn't say test my lineage
in light of the whether or not I'm the descendant of David or
whatever the case may be. He said to the Bereans, tested
what he was teaching his doctrine in light of what is
already in written. I mean, I understand that you

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come from a tradition where thatis important, but in the
Protestant protest to that type of litmus test now we only say
that what scripture says is the authority.
The Bible is the keystone to ourfaith, not tradition.
Tradition can be perverted. Tradition can have bad members.

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It can have bad characters like many of your popes who who
tortured Cardinals that that plotted that he believed plotted
against them Poe Bourbon. So I mean, we don't put our
trust in man or any system, man made system.
He put our trust in Christ and his word, period.

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That's it. So the thing about is you do
actually trust in tradition though.
And the reason you do is becauseif you actually believe what the
Bible said, you'd believe completely what the Bible says
and that was your sole authority.
You would believe that Jesus Christ is president of the
Eucharist. Because the most concrete

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example we see of this is withinPaul and John, you'd also
believe that baptism actually does have a salvific element.
We should do that in Luke 1 at atime.
Liberal. One at a time.
One at a time, I know, but hold on, hold on, Phil.
One at a time. What was the first one again?
Jesus touched it being present in the Eucharist.
OK, what does that mean? Jesus Christ is present in the

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Eucharist, as in that the Eucharist is a sacrifice.
OK, that that actually is in a real sense, Jesus.
It's a sacrifice we offer to God.
If I'm not mistaken, your tradition looks that is purely
symbolic, but the gods say Bibleauthors do not.
Hold on, hold on. It's like, suppose I don't know
what you're comparing. It is a sacrifice.

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We believe it's a sacrifice. What else does that mean?
To be Jesus is part? What was that mantra again?
Jesus is what? So the bread and wine, you
believe that's a sacrifice we make to God?
The bread and wine is a sacrifice we make to God.
Yeah, the Eucharist. Dude, do you know what the

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Eucharist is? You're saying that Paul taught
that we are actually sacrificingChrist, basically, Yeah.
Can you show me that book chapter and verse, please?
I think we were over when we, when we give, when he says do

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this in remembrance of me, Paul is actually saying that we are
sacrificing Jesus Christ again on the cross.
No, that's not what he's saying.OK, So what?
So explain what these mantras mean because we just don't live
off of mantras. We want to know exactly what
they entail. We don't want to just chant

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them. Yep.
So you want to know what they actually mean and where is that
idea emotionally found in scripture.
What Paul is saying is that the sacrifice itself is Christ, but
like the but like the ACT but like it is just that same
sacrifice in Golgotha. And I think you can you I some

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might disagree with me, but I think you can make a good
example for here. Let me get to Corinthians.
I think it's going to be in 10. It's either going to be 8 or 10.
OK. What was the terminology you use
again? I want to write it down because
I I'll forget it. You said that we don't believe

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that the sacrifices. We're sacrificing Christ again.
No. OK, so well, explain that.
What, what, what exactly was that term again?
Yeah, the the sacrifice of Christ at Golgotha is being
represented. Not that it's happening again
and again and again, like different sacrifices, but that

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same sacrifice at Golgotha we participate in by it being
presented at Mass or representation, A
representation. OK, so sort of a reenactment of
what happened. It's deeper than that because
the idea where Paul's drawn fromcomes from something that is in

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Jewish tradition, too, where theJews had believed that every
Passover wasn't just a reenactment of the Passover, but
they were basically mystically participating in the same
Passover that Moses had performed in Egypt.
And so every Passover was like arepresentation of that day in

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the in that current calendar year.
And so when we offered the sacrifice of the Mass, we're not
just off re offering more bread and we're not just we're not
just what do I say representing that sacrifice or re enacting
it? We are actually being, we're
actually taking mystical participation in that sacrifice

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of Golgotha. OK, all right, on the this, this
is so much. I mean, you're, you're really
good at, at regurgitating this stuff, but you're not really
good at defending it. Of the the reasons, I don't mind
Scripture. Scripture provides us with the

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reasons behind the symbol of theSabbath.
The Sabbath, if you notice, changed emphasis over time, the
emphasis on what they are celebrating changes.
In Genesis, we all know the celebrate celebration of God's
completed work. After the Exodus, the Sabbath

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expands to celebrate deliverancefrom Pharaoh in Deuteronomy 5.
That's true. So the emphasis shifts once
again and of course in the New Testament.
So I'm, I'm not sure how you could use it, you know,
something like argue that when we take the communion or when

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the Jews took or celebrated the Sabbath, they were reenacting a
work in creation. No, they weren't.
They were shifting emphasis to whatever they were going through
at the time. Yeah.
And then and then we get Hanukkah from the Antiochus, the

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the 4th Epiphanies. Yeah, the Maccabees, a whole
totally different emphasis, correct?
No, actually, the holy day of Hanukkah became what day doesn't
doesn't exist. Before the Maccabean civil war,
it was precisely the deliveranceof the Jews from Antiochus and
the establishment of the Hasmodian dynasty.
That was never a Sabbath. That was never a Sabbath.

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It was never a Sabbath. OK, All right.
So we'll just take, we'll just take creative and then
Deuteronomy. OK, so this is the, this is the
relevant verse I'm telling you about.
And it's where Paul is very clear to admit that the
Eucharist is a sacrifice for making to God.
Let me read this. We agree with that.

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OK, well then if you're not showing me what we disagree
with, so you're going to you're going to hold on, you're going
to bait and switch and put something that we both already
agree with. I'm not, I'm not arguing against
the point you just made. OK, so the Eucharist is a
sacrifice then, right? It is a sacrifice, yes.
Now that's fascinating because Luther and Calvin definitely

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disagreed with that. Disagree with what?
That the Eucharist was a sacrifice.
Luther was very clear talking about the you're talking about
your performance, that you're actually sack.
What does that mean? That you're actually sacrificing
Christ? Or is it a reenactment that
we're participating, participating here?

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You're participating sounds a little bit like, I don't know if
you're trying to communicate this, but it sounds a little bit
like you're participating in thecrucifixion of Christ anew each
week. It, it, it, it, it sometimes
maybe three times a week. I guess they're re enactment
masses. They have.
But as far as I understand and, and correct me, you know, and,

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and I know there's a distinctionand you don't want to address
that, that's fine. I'm not going to bring it up the
way that the Orthodox hold the real presence versus
transubstantiation, which is moving Catholics.
I'm not going to drag that in the mix right now.
That's OK. That's something we'll have for
another time. But but let's, let's focus here.
I just want to make sure that Jill is clear and the room is
clear 'cause it it kind of sounds like you are essentially

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taking the position of taking your part in participating in
the killing, sacrificing of Christ on the cross.
It just, and if I'm wrong or I've misrepresented, please
clarify, but start there so we're not confused 'cause that's
what I got from it. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

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OK. No, we're don't believe that.
We're just sacrificing Christ anew because it's one sacrifice
for the forgiveness of sins. What the Eucharist is, it is a
representation as in we are being, we are mystically
participating in that same sacrifice of Golgotha.
So when you see the Eucharist, right, and you see the priest

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bless it and raise it, that actually in a very real sense,
Jesus is in that. And it is the post crucifer
Jesus where we are participatingin his sacrifice for that
forgiveness of sin. And I, I swear to all heavenly
Father and all merciful sweet Jesus.

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And does that make I'm, I'm not trying to be a troll, honest.
I'm going to be. Let me tell you what I just
heard. Let me give you an analogy of
what I just heard. You and me are standing at a
lake and you point across the pond and you say, Hey, you see
that thing over there that lookslike a duck, walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck. You know, that's not a duck.

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That's what I just got from you right there.
I got it's a it's a representation of ducks
agreement that no, I'm not saying we're participating in
the sacrificing of Christ anew, but we are participating in the
sacrifice of Christ. I and well, you get what I'm
saying. Yeah, I, I can, I can see I, I,

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I kind of think of it like this,where the sacrifice of Christ
was so momentous and it was so seismic in just reality that it
has come to be that that same event has simply how, but that
same event has extended down to today.
OK. And so the, the idea here is

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that, oh, I want to say that. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm tripping over
my words here that the sacrificeof Christ on Golgotha 2000 years
ago was something so momentous that it can still be
participated today in real time all this thousands of years

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later. Is that making it a bit more
clearer for you or is it clear as mud?
So, so, so if I could get this straight, and in terms of trying
to try to clarify this analogously, so it's not like
you're there being the centurionputting Christ on the cross.
It's like you're there as an audience member.

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You're at the, you're at the last, the Last Supper, right?
Yes, you're at the Last Supper. Is that OK?
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He's not talking about being present at the Last Supper in
this context. He's talking about in in the
performance of the Eucharist. You're like an audience member
in the crowd when Christ is being crucified.

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You're participating in you're when you when you read or
writing spiritually time traveling.
Well, I that's not but that thatdoesn't correspond to the text.
This is all of it. Do this in remembrance.
I'm act I'm actually going to try to steal Matt.

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I really am. I'm not going to try to be.
I mean it just doesn't correspond to what the text
says. So he's he's instructing his
followers to participate in the sacrament to remember his
atoning sacrifice. I mean, it's it's this is this
is this is a ritual, but I don'tsee even I don't see a

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reenactment of the of the here being right.
So here's the thing, Jill, the term do this in memory of me is
the term anamicist and it means to bring something to memory.
However, in the 1st century, andagain, it's not just the Bible
that does this. We have a lot of existing texts
from that time. Anamicist is actually being used

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in reference to sacrificial aspects.
So case in point, let's just say.
Yeah, let's, let's let's just say that the that the Romans
have a great victory against theSassanids and they and they pray
to Mars. Mars grants them a major city in
their empire. They will then make a sacrifice

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every year in memory of what Mars did.
So in Namdesis is actually very close to sacrifice itself.
Be that as it may, this in the Christian context, this isn't a
new sacrifice, It's a it's the representation of that same
sacrifice to bring it back to memory.
And So what Smokey is saying is that we're we're basically

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audience members watching this, the loud, the apostles in the
upper room during the Last Supper.
They were participating in the sacrifice that hadn't not yet
happened before their eyes yet, but they were still
participating in the crucifixionthat would just happen that that
very next morning. Similarly, when the Mass was

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said every year after that, it is them participating in that
sacrifice as say, an audience member.
OK, they're not, they're obviously not in that same time
and space, but mystically they are.
Is that making more sense? Yeah, but Paul never taught
that. I mean, well, we we have an

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active, we have a remembrance. We have an active remembrance.
So in the in the context, this is a recalling.
OK, So we do recall. OK, So we do recall that Christ
was sacrificed and we connect with him in that sacrifice when
we all take communion. OK, So this is what Paul that's
that's the extent. I don't know where you're

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getting this. Are you done, Paul from are you
done? Not in the text.
Are you done? Yeah.
Show me now. Show us in picture.
Show us, Paul. Here we go in chapter 10, verse
14 of First Corinthians. We have therefore, my beloved,
avoid idolatry. I am speaking to you as a
sensible, as sensible people. Judge for yourself what I am

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saying. The cup of blessing that we
bless, is it not the participation in the blood of
Christ, The bread that we break,is it not a participation in the
body of Christ? This is a sacrifice, as Paul's
about to say here, because the loaf of the bread is 1.
We, though many, partake in one body, for we all partake in the

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one loaf. Look at Israel according to the
flesh. Are not those who eat the
sacrifices participants in the altar?
So what am I saying? That the meat sacrifice to idols
is anything or that an idol is anything?
No, I mean that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to

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demons, not to God. And I do not want you to become
participants with the with demons.
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of drink of the
cup of demons. You cannot partake in the table
of the Lord and the table of demons.
He is right now already comparing the Eucharist not

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merely just to the sacrifices ofthat the Jews current that the
Jews had in the temple, but to the sacrifices of pagans as
well. That that there is a there is a
distinct way here. Paul thinks that the Eucharist
is a genuine sacrifice that we're making to God.
And now when you kind of wrote the Hebrews into this, the

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theological construct you have is that it's one sacrifice being
represented and we are participating it not in the way
that, say, Longinus stabbed Jesus in the chest.
OK, All right, so, so because Paul.
OK, so because Paul says this, this is the ritual we should, we
should be performing, not sacrificing as they do.

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You're suggesting that Paul was saying this was a sacrifice.
Oh, yeah. No, I'll, I will correct you.
That's a bit of a stretch. I don't know.
Hold on. Hold on.
Let me correct you. Let me.
You said something wrong. Paul was saying.
No, we Paul was saying we shouldexactly do this as they do.
His issue is that what they sacrifice is being done to
demons, not to God. That's as good as sacrifice,

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right? They did sacrifice and they had
other rituals, but sacrifice wasthe way they would communicate
primarily with their God. So we we don't, I have the
ultimate sacrifice. So again, I, I don't, I, I don't
see Paul here suggesting what you're trying to stretch the
text to, to say. And I would suggest to you, I'm

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not really stretching it. I'm reading what Paul says.
But you can't allow Paul to be right on this issue.
Paul doesn't make it your own traditions.
You're interpreting that well, you're interpreting Paul to be
making some. I'm reading Paul for I'm not
interpreting anything. I'm right.
You didn't work. You said that that means that he
is comparing the two. That means that we are actually

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participating in that sacrifice because he compared, because he
says don't sacrifice like they do.
No, this is what he said. I'll read it again.
OK. Yeah.
What am I saying? That the meat sacrifice to idols
or anything or that the idol is anything?
No, I mean that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to

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demons, not to God. OK.
And I do not want you to be participants with the demons.
And already in the prior verses that the that the blessing and
that the cup and the bread they bless, they're already
participating with the sacrificeof Christ.
What the the criticism that Paulis speaking here is not at all

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that they're sacrificing anything, but it's who's
receiving the sacrifice. The fundamental way you
communicate with any God is through sacrifice, Paul, right?
Who's communicate right? Who's attempting to communicate
to God through a sacrifice, through a ritual again?
I I really don't see you. You're trying to bridge this

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chasm, but you really can't twist Paul's words enough to get
to where you're at. Well, I don't have to twist
Paul's words at all. He agrees with you.
He agrees with me far more than he agrees with you, Jill.
He never said what you're tryingto make him say.
You're trying to make him. He's openly saying that.
He's openly saying that. It's, it's clear as the nose on
your face. You assume because he compared

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their sacrificing, the way they are communicating, the way they
are celebrating, the way they are worshipping.
He compares that to what we are doing and you're saying that,
oh, there, there's more. There's a 1 to 1 correspondence
between. There literally has to be, there
has, there isn't. That's that's you're pushing
that on to the text. If Paul doesn't mean for this to

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be a sacrifice, then what? But then what Paul is basically
saying has no rhetorical force whatsoever and was worthless.
It's not even an interpretation,actually.
It's an interpretation. It's an interpretation.
It's an interpolation. It's it's not in the text.
It's not derived from the text. It literally is.

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It literally is, Jill, that you what part of that?
What part of this is not derivedfrom the text?
Again, you assume A1 to 1 correspondence between the two,
that because they are sacrificing to communicate with
their God, they're actually literally sacrificing every
time. They're not just doing a ritual

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to symbolize the sacrifice, they're actually doing it each
time. OK, you cannot drink.
In our case, we're not actually sacrificing each time we're
doing. We're performing a ritual which
represents what happened. The actual you cannot drink the
cup of the Lord and also the cupof demons.

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You cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of
demons. Who are the demons, Jill?
Who are the demons? OK, so Jill is so quiet, so I
guess I'll answer it for him. The demons are the false gods

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that we see here already. That's the context of this
verse. The Lord is obviously God, and
in order to have a sacrifice, you participate in that
sacrifice. This is just what Paul is
saying. 14 Yeah, no, actually we'll go to 16.
It speaks more bluntly. The couple, the couple of

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blessings that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood
of Christ? The bread that we break is not a
participation in the body of Christ.
That's what it is to have a sacrifice, to participate with
it. Yeah.
That that's your that's the bridge you drew.
That's what all is saying, participating in the actual

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event. It's not, it's not the same as
participating in a ritual which brings us in remembrance of that
actual event. So I think it's the last thing I
got to say on this issue becauseI am hungry and I want some
dinner. So Smokey, I hope you actually
understand what was said there and why Jill doesn't want it to
be said. It really, it really hurts his

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theology. But I want you to to point out
nobody actually looks at the Bible as their soul infallible
authority. Because really Jill's traditions
right now that we see up and up front and stage are basically
over ruling what Paul says. Just think about that for a
moment. So secondly, Jill, seriously try

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to read this unbiasedly and justtry this word anyway.
I love everybody. I love everyone of you, even you
Jill and the audience appreciateyou.
So you everybody, Viva Krista Ray, pray the rosary.
I am hungry. Take care buddy.
You too. You too bud.
And also I'll, I'll I'll if you want me to, we can have private

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conversations and maybe we can talk some more.
I feel like you need someone event too.
Yeah. Say the Hail Marys for me or
something. I don't know.
I will pray a rosary. Right.
Just. Hey, hey, fro before you go.
I know we haven't met, but I like your energy and your
enthusiasm. And I think you're you're doing
a good job at what you're tryingto do.
He's a good guy. He's a good guy.
Thank you. Thank you.
I sense no malicious intent fromyou.

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Well, thank you so much for saying that.
But but God bless you all. Pray the rosary.
Goodnight. God bless.
Yeah. That is actually one of the
tough things about this, too. That works, you know, against my
perspective because you look at someone like, like Fro and I
disagree with him and his position.
I think he's a dirty, heretical papist that holds on to a cult

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that rebelled against the true church and true church tradition
and the grand schism, you know, around the Philly Oak way.
I think, I believe that happened, but I believe that the
entirety of the church had already left about 300 years
before that left the tradition that they claimed to hold to and
cling to. And, and we're leveraged by a
bunch of political powers and a bunch of, you know, politically

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placed deviants and had no real theological mind or learning.
But we're suddenly put in a position to be able to dictate,
you know, doctrine and beliefs for the entirety of the masses.
And, and what happened? Well, just more and more
splintering, more and more nonsense.
Cause of course, you know, you'dhave, you know, priests in the
mix who actually truly did love the study of theology and

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history and Scripture finding themselves, much as we often
find ourselves today, surrounding a milieu of fucking
idiots. And it's not like God, you know,
removes them or keeps them from being in any type of position
to, like, not cause harm, No. And God's moral virtue, it's
good to leave them there and sometimes even promote them as
to, I guess, essentially test us, right?

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That's really what it is, you know, that's what it boils down
to, you know, like, hey, make itso near impossible and hard to
navigate the various different beliefs and ideas of what's
essential, what's not essential and, and, and just, you know,
have nothing really there to anchor or hold anything in place

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with any sense of confidence. And even the very institutions
that you think would be the bastions of such thing have
fallen flat on their fucking ass, you know, to do anything to
actually protect any sense of true tradition that they claim
to hold to. And they've all wandered.
They've all strayed. So where do you exactly link
yourself? Is it this, this, you know,
innocuous, unknown, invisible, unseen and discernible, you

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know, collection of believers that just so happen to find each
other by whatever means they do,and then disagree and backstab
each other and give perverse moralities and subject
themselves to no authority, no teaching, no man, no tradition,
no no instruction. They just, you know, all become
their own popes, you know, quibbling and quabbling and

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bickering and whining and, and who looks at all this and can
find any semblance or shadow of the presence of anything that
you could point to as any type of spirit, let alone a holy 1.
You know, it, it almost starts to look at some point like it's
some sort of grand scheme, as if, you know, creating a a group

(05:53:30):
of enapted, barely sentient apesto quibble and quabble over a
bunch of shit that you yourself intentionally made difficult and
confusing just to enjoy watchingthem squirm.
You know? I mean, who can really
ultimately know in terms of God's thoughts being beyond our
thoughts? And do any of us really, even up

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to this day, understand what thefuck the point of the book of
Joe even really was? You know what I mean?
Bad things happen to good peopleand just be OK with it because
whatever reason it is, you know,God's got to God's got it.
God's got it figured out. Not only does he have to not
have to tell you before he does it, he don't even have to tell
you after he does it either. Just you just sit there and say,

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you know what, you just accept it.
You know, this is just how things are and it's just good
because you know, hi. Well, I'm saying it is.
And you're in no place to test or question me.
And your perspective is subjective and fallible and
lesser than mine anyway. And doesn't really matter if you
like it or don't like it or think it's unjust or think it's
evil because you don't have any other standard to measure to

(05:54:36):
other than me. So you just have to accept it,
no matter how it affects you in terms of this free will
conscience that's been deliveredto you and how it challenges
your views and your points. And you're supposed to accept
that the good, merciful, righteous, just, perfectly
wonderful God that is the God revealed in Scripture somehow

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has just manifested all of this fucking bullshit and doesn't
seem to exercise a whole lot of sovereignty in helping anyone
straighten or clear it out. And now the test has become so
fucking complex. Who can find the needle in the
haystack? The narrow Rd. amongst the miles
of various different highways that have manifested in culture?

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And how many of these things Canyou believe or not believe
before you compromise your salvation or never had it at
all? Or oh, sass, or free grace.
And all of them claiming to be the one true gospel, the one you
have to believe, the one you have to hold to.
And the free gracers. I'll tell you why you don't have
to hold to it and then treat youunsaved when you don't hold to

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it. And it's all contradictory and
confusing and you just have to, I guess at some level, trust
that this Holy Spirit supposedlyactually exists and is going to
guide you into all truth and thestuff that you're supposed to
believe. You're just going to end up
believing it even though everyone the fuck around you
seems to believe a bunch of different things anyway?

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So you gonna tell me that the righteous, holy, good, and
merciful God created this milieuof mess and nonsense that is so
incredibly difficult for all of us to navigate out of a
reflection of what? His great mercy and virtue and
desire to show His own glory? Is this what he needed?
He needed this giant goddamn catastrophe in order to display

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His glory? This.
This big pile of ridiculous horseshit that we all find
ourselves in, with a bunch of immorality and horrors and evil,
this somehow just needed to be because, well, this was the only
way God was going to get his glory across to the world.
And that doesn't look weird to anyone that God doesn't have the
ability to manifest his glory except in imperfections.

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Strife, horror, murder, pain, destitution, pestilence, famine,
all of these horrible atrocious things that are controlled in
scope by the Holy God himself and the limits they're in how
bad they can be and how good they can be and how easy it is
to fix them. And they're set in such a cycle

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and in such a way where it manifest horror is before us
that most of us that have any desire to do anything about are
actually ultimately powerless todo so, while the resources that
actually could do something about it are hoarded by the
group of people least likely to actually do anything about it.
And this is just the natural nature of the order of reality

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created and manifested by these perfectly holy and just God.
And I dare you Christians and believers out there to start
reconciling this shit, right? I mean, I'm such garbage, right?
I'm such fucking trash. I never get any real credit when
I do show signs of peace or sanctification.

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I'm always being tossed to hell by someone told I'm wrong with
garbage arguments and nonsense ideas that don't even fit
anything close to central core Christianity and insults the
entirety of the work of the HolySpirit and antiquity.
And I see these people that are even many times not just failing
to be cursed or limited, but actually promoted that actually

(05:58:15):
moved a higher positions authority with greater
followings. Look at this.
Look at this God damn fucking what, 1 of this recent rapture
horseshit. Some crazy nutjob retard African
way on the other side of the fucking world decides to start
predicting the rapture is coming.
Some goddamn degenerate brained deviant fucking zoomers catch on

(05:58:39):
to it, start spreading it around, and before you know it
bitches are selling their houses, giving everything away,
thinking the rapture is coming right up, abandoning their
responsibilities. You know, because it's right
around the corner. Might as well give my house
away, going to, you know, give my car away, give all my
possessions away. I don't need it.
I'm going up to see Jesus because I'm fucked hard.

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African on the other side of theworld said so.
I don't know any reason to believe it other than I just, I
guess, want to. And you look at this shit and
these are believers, mind you, right?
When they all say if you're willing to, that's boy, what?
What? Ain't that a fucking bitch too,
boy? That's one hell of an act of
faith, isn't it? And that you're real sure that

(05:59:21):
rapture is coming. You're going to give away all of
your earthly possessions. You're going to just hand them
all away. Boy, that is some die hard
faith, probably more faith than most of you people who call
yourself a so-called real Christian will ever actually
exercise in your whole freaking lives.
Really. Let's be true.

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You know, that's a real exerciseof faith that this has got to be
right. And they are so certain that
they've given up their entire fucking house for it now
they're, they're done. I mean, they're, they're, I
mean, it didn't happen. They don't have anything to go
off of. It didn't happen.
OK. And and we all knew with any

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semblance of real, actual Christian insider biblical
knowledge, we knew too that it wasn't going to happen because
this nut job predicted it. But 2,000,000 Plus subscribers
on TikTok thought otherwise. And followed this fuck head
around and made a big giant messand, and gleaned a whole bunch

(06:00:25):
of dollars and money and attention and bullshit off of
this garbage. And you all believers, quote UN
quote believers, you going to tell me that suspending
disbelief is all you need for salvation and being guided into
all truth? All of these stupid assholes
suspended disbelief in the cross, in the work of God, in

(06:00:45):
the gospel. Are they not being led by the
Holy Spirit? How the fuck did all of them get
this so God damn incredibly wrong?
Where was the Holy Spirit in them?
Didn't they believe? Don't they all affirm with such
intensity of belief in Christ and His promise and His return
that they give their whole fucking life away?
Isn't that a clear demonstration?

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They have that type of real fucking faith?
So where's the Holy Spirit in their lives?
Since all you fucks want to tellme, I just got to suspend
disbelief. I just got to believe a factoid
and the Holy Spirit's going to guide me.
Well, where the fuck is it? In all of these people's lives,

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you know, none of you, none of you in this community have ever
seen me as an atheist before. You thought Justin was bad.
You thought Skyler was bad. You thought Planet Peterson was
bad, or Matt Dillahunty was bad.Let me tell you something you
fucks. You have no fucking clue how

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heinous I can be as an atheist. You have no clue.
And my idea of doing this channel when I came back to the
faith was to try and work with God to redeem my time and look
at what it's brought me. Bullshit.

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Slender lies, constant attacks. The discord never stops, the
emails never stop, the messages never stop, and none too many of
it is always really that pleasant.
Some sort of desperate petty jabtrying to needle for me in every
fucking angle. Silence me.
Keep me from debating the one thing I really came in here to

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do, and I got all these quote UNquote Christians trying to keep
me from debating. And this is virtue.
Who do they serve, trying to keep Christians quiet from
defending the faith? Where's the Holy Spirit in their
lives since they've appropriately suspended
disbelief in the historical factoid of the gospel of the

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death of burial and resurrectionof Christ and the Holy Spirit
not overpower their will? I guess it depends which version
of Christianity you're holding to and which version will be
more false based upon this reality.
I am sick of Christians telling me how things are that fly in

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the face of reality. I got fucking Tucker telling me
I'm going to hell because I think I could possibly lose my
salvation. Him saying well that that means
you, you don't believe in eternal life.
Really. No, if that was true, I would
say I will lose my salvation. That's what that would mean.

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If I say I can, that's not doubting that the eternal life
is eternal life, Tucker, you fucking autistic retard.
And it doesn't matter anymore, right?
Oh, you fucking people. Most of you want me to go to
hell anyway. I haven't seen any of that
Christian love or virtue since Ifucking got here, other than a

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few. Jill, you're a good guy.
You've always hold the held the line and you've always been very
virtuous and moral. I don't mean to include you in
this, but I I'm real disgusted with most of you that go and
Jill, you're both you know, I love you guys.
You're both you've both been very good and virtuous.
I don't mean any of this to, to attack you, but I am frustrated

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and I am burnt out and I am sickof, of most of you, not all of
you. I'm not trying to make it sound
like I, you know, suddenly I'm on a warpath for everyone in
existence. It's not what I'm communicating
to where I'm at, right? But I, I am frustrated, I am
frustrated and all of you keep telling me how to do it and what

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I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right and all this other
shit and you're all the ones that don't do anything.
Honestly. I mean, at least if Jill came in
and disagreed and wanted to talkmy ear off about something, at
least I could point to Jill and all the videos he does and the
streams he does and the challenges he accepts and the
times he shows up to debate people.
At least I can give him credit for that of being a genuine

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contributor. Most of you don't do shit and
yet you want to keep telling me how I'm supposed to do it?
OK, You want to tell me how I'm supposed to you do it?
Then you deal with atheist Smokey.
Then how about that? You know how?
Why do I sit here and deal with all this shit and you don't even
appreciate it, Don't even get credit for the good shit I do?
Really don't ever. It's always the most negative

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fucking spiteful, unrighteous, unequal fucking judgement
possible always being thrown at me.
Oh, by Christians. Spirit filled, spirit LED
Christians. Does it sound like I'm joking?
Does it sound like this is scared?
Anyone still want to hold that idea?

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Have I ever done this in the entire time that I ran my
channel? It's not like this is some sort
of fucking Brett Keene cycle where I'm going to do this every
six months. I have tried to stick to the
justification of the Christian faith for a very hot minute.

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I have defended it from angles that most of you have never even
considered. I have considered the belief
from from directions and depths that most of you will never even
touch. And I have stuff that I think
about and consider that even I struggle with that I don't think
most people would have a hope inhell of figuring out themselves.

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And it just ends up being the type of thing where it is a push
and a push and a push. And it's not just on this space.
It's it's in the entirety of reality, it's, it is an ever
present thing. That's the thing.
You know, that's something you guys should all be thankful for.
By the way, if you do, I promiseyou, if if you have indeed had,

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I guess maybe a little bit of like limited success or not a
lot of success at all, in some ways, count yourself lucky.
Like the more success, the more potent you are, the more
attention you get, the more attacked you're going to be.
So the enemy gets an idea that you're as if I even fucking
believe this anymore. The enemy gets an idea in their

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head that you know, you're in a rough position or maybe
potentially you're vulnerable for whatever reason or another.
And the attacks just intensify. Especially if they are worried
that you might be potent or, or,or doing something that's really
powerful and meaningful like Kenny.
I think that might have been oneof the reasons why Kenny had
some of the most horrific and potent spiritual attacks I've

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probably seen anyone really go through in terms of real, honest
spiritual oppression upon him and even his family.
Truthfully, I don't think I don't think Kenny was the only
one experiencing it, and I do believe his wife certainly would
affirm it as well. I don't even know if I believe

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it. Maybe it is just Kenny's mental
stuff, you know? But he believed it and she
seemed to believe it. And Kenny, I think, would have
been really, really powerful in terms of a tool if some of this
stuff had just worked out a little bit differently.

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And maybe I could even say the same for me.
But it didn't. And, you know, probably one of
the greatest, one of the greatest tools, you know, the
white knight of kind of modern movement of Christianity working
its way back into the culture isnow fucking dead.

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You know, I stumbled a bit in myfaith when Nabil Karishi died.
I, I could, I couldn't wrap my brain around that.
I still can't. Nabil was younger than me, you
know, accomplished an incredibleamount, became a medical doctor,
you know, I believe got in a little bit of trouble with the
law, met David Wood there. You know, they had, they built a

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great friendship. David Wood dragged him out of
Islam into Christianity while David Wood was studying theology
and philosophy and became his best friend.
And Nabil got colon cancer or intestinal cancer of some kind
and and just died and he's just gone.

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And he left his wife and his beautiful little daughter behind
and left a, a pit in a in well, he was actually part of Ravi
Zacharias's ministry at the timetoo, But he left the pit in
there and, and a pit really in what was a very powerful, very
potent polemic and ministry against Islam.

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It's just dead. I can't understand that.
That doesn't make sense. I mean, he had so much more he
could do Is it? Wouldn't it have been a greater
mercy to allow him to continue so that he could convert more
Muslims? Because he was very, very good
at it and he could relate with them on a very empathetic,
direct personal level. His delivery was so soft spoken

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yet direct and truthful, almost as if like he was like a almost
as if I would picture how Stevenin Acts would have preached, you
know, just with that sincerity of heart and passion, but also a
a gentleness almost with a pleading spirit that you know
that honestly, Nabil going away didn't make any sense to me.

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He had so much more he could have done and accomplished, and
now probably one of the most important of the modern leaders
for the movement, for Christianity amongst the youth
is dead, gone, just removed. And there is no one, fucking no

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one that can fill his shoes thatis out there right now.
Just can't happen. And the fact that that is true
should impress upon you the weight of the loss.
I can't imagine a much greater loss than this than had Trump
himself been shot. Honestly, that you could.

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I would have. You could have taken out
probably half of the the cabinetof the worthless administrators
and not have had nearly as much of an impact and a loss as
Charlie Kirk. You could have taken out 3/4 of
Congress and not had nearly as much of a loss as losing Charlie

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Kirk. I'd trade every fucking dirty
rotten, rat cock sucking fuckingpolitician that's out there
right now to get Charlie back. Every fucking one of you.
I'd trade every judge, every lawyer, every fucking parole
officer, probation officer, defense attorney.

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I'd I'd trade you all. All of you.
Every politician, senator, congressman, every fucking one
of you. I'd trade every fucking one of
you to get Charlie back. I would, really, I would in a
heartbeat. If there's a button in front of
me right now that I could push, I would push it right this
second and deal with the consequences on judgement day.

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Horrible. And then we have to suffer
through the death worshipping liberals, gloating over it,
showing the pure deep level of evil that they have, and also
showing the ineptitude and lack of work of any benefit we have

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done as the quote UN quote church in this country.
That where is the savor of the salt?
Where is the light? Is it under the basket?
What good is American Christianity when this is the
milieu of the culture? What, what good of it?

(06:13:29):
Can you not see it? Is it, is it fucking invisible?
Can we look? Can we look at the debauch
deviance and the constant regression and abandonment of,
of any semblance of real anchored, objective morality and
think what you're doing good? You're, you're practicing
Christianity properly while you watch the world burn around you

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will be peaceable with all men. Well, I think most Christians
believe be peaceable with all men to believe, to mean condone
evil, condone and support evil, allow people to do evil.
That's what many of them seem todo.
And that's fine, right? Because we have, you know,
everyone can basically be their own Pope.
Anyone can interpret scripture any way they want.
We don't need any grounding or truth.

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And even the people we would look at for grounding our truth
are all fucked too. So what do we do?
Where are we even supposed to go?
Lean. Not on your own understanding.
OK, well, lean what? Lean where, what building, what
person, what pastor, what teacher, what scholar, what
friend, even what Christian, what you know, you know the

(06:14:37):
fucking irony. Let me tell you really, the
irony. And fro wasn't wrong.
You know, when I, when I did my first cycle around this, you
know, on YouTube, you know, every one of the fucking
Christians that had supported mesaid I was a great debater, that
they were going to help me get more.
That was a powerful work for defending the Christian faith
and, and the Holy Spirit was really working in me.

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And every single one of them stabbed me in the back.
Every single one. Well, except Jill and Beckel,
you know, they didn't, they didn't.
Beckel was very fair in his critique and still with Jill
and, and, and they took a slightly different view and
that's fine. But both of them were extremely
fair and I commend them for that.
They showed a semblance of real,true, genuine Christian ethics

(06:15:19):
in their judgement that way. If I had, if I had good reason
to think anyone and this community showed any sign of
sanctification, definitely be the two of them.
I'll tell you that much. But I don't even know.
I don't even know about that because I don't even necessarily
really believe in Calvinism, certainly not the way that they
hold to and does. I mean, I'm unsaved.
Does that mean that that's the core part of my doctrine that I

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need to accept before I can really get on the right pack?
I don't. I don't know.
Well, ultimately God has to regenerate me in order to
believe that anyway. So I guess we'll just wait and
see whether or not that happens and whether or not I get argued
into a state where God finally sends a regenerative spirit
towards me to bring me back to the position where I can finally
actually believe, I guess, Or something like that.

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I don't know. I guess, I guess depends which
of these viewpoints is actually genuinely true.
Nonetheless, I digress. I'm, I'm just, I'm just tired of
it in terms of the stacking effect, to be honest.
And it has been stacking for a hot minute and it does not end,
you know, at the very least, it's amazing to see that even

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many of these Christians that might even know what's right or
wrong are still trying to, you know, take a somewhat neutral
stance to it, which which, you know, I never really did when my
friends were under attack. I was always quick to want to,
you know, throw myself on the Gray grenade or try to, you
know, take the Flack and you know, try to make myself the
targets that they weren't pickedon.
I did it with logical, plausible, probable with

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Dillahunty. I did it with Raw, Matt and
Standing for Truth when they were being attacked by the
atheist or with the papers that they were publishing.
I've done it for a lot of people.
I've filmed myself on landmines plenty of times.
I've sacrificed the chance to have debates that I actually
wanted to have because I was jumping out to defend my
friends. And then when it came time for

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any defense of me, no, they werethere to just stab me in the
back along with everyone else. And, and all of this happened
during all of this time, all completely throwing me under the
bus and abandoning me. And it was it.
And it was a really like sheer kind of shock to me to see so
much immoral and righteous judgement manifest around me.

(06:17:29):
But I kept my resolve. I did everything I could to stay
strong. But you know what, aside from
Jill and Beckel, of course, that, you know, showed their
virtue. There really was, you know,
amongst our group, someone in particular that showed an
incredible above board jumping to my defense and befriending me

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in a really deep, intrinsic way.And that is Will Kincaid, The
Dirty, The Dirty, dirty Jew, theguy that wasn't even Christian
at the time showed more virtue, support, love, consideration,
you know, then the entirety of the rest of the Christian
community combined. And I think that was an

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incredible 1 of the incredible testimonies of this whole thing
is where I'm kind of going down this path, having to reassess
and look back at all this, this,you know, you got to understand
what a shame that is to so many of these Christians on the
Internet could claim to be standing in virtue and
righteousness. You know, it was will this dirty

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Christ hating Jew that would tell jokes about Christ being
dead. In fact, I don't know if you
guys remember it, but will Kincaid, I still have this
banner in here. I think, did I or did I get rid
of it? Yep, here this one.
See this, the reason I created this banner where it says
disclaimer, Jesus is alive because Will used to come in and

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he would make a joke and he would say, you know, like
something like, well, that's deader than Jesus.
You know, as if to say like, well, Jesus never rose from the
dead because he's a Jew and you know, so Christ is still dead.
So he'd make a comparison, say like that thing's deader than
Jesus, you know, like the car, the car broke down, that thing's
deader than Jesus. He'd make that comment.

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And so I actually created this banner that every time he would
say it, I would pop that up on screen for everyone to see so
that they at least knew I was affirming from my perspective
that Jesus was now. Now he's changed it.
Now he says deader than Jesus onGood Friday because he does
believe Jesus rose from the dead.

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So at least I guess we can consider that.
Baby steps for him, I suppose. Will and I had a talk earlier
today and he gets where I'm coming from.
And thus we had a pretty deep talk about it.
And he supports me. Even still, I know he doesn't
completely agree with me on all of this, and that's fine.

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I don't really expected anyone would.
Honestly, it didn't really matter to me.
But this is just where I'm at with it.
And I mean, by the way, don't don't think that like Isaac is
the sole reason for this. Isaac is a flea on top of the
straw. Hay, which is the last straw on

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the camel's back, is really, really what it boils down to.
There's a lot of stuff that stacks up.
Over time and I have operated ina very unique way with my faith
with unique perspectives and I do look at things differently
than others and some some would argue this made me a very, very
competent apologist and debater.However, it also does open me up

(06:20:45):
to lots of attack and puts me ina position where I have to
navigate pretty deep waters, youknow, to want to defend the
faith and some of these things even I struggle to reconcile at
different, you know, places in my life and really all these
things. Certainly I believed I had had
good, good justifications to reconcile before.

(06:21:07):
But honestly within the last week I think I've really started
to reconsider and and look at itonce again the absolute complete
and utter horrific, you know, nightmare mess that has happened
around this dumb degenerate cockroach piece of shit spider
finally going exactly where the fuck he belongs.

(06:21:27):
And the amount of division and attack and blame and just a
venom that has flowed out of this scum rat finally going to
where he can no longer be a danger or harm to other people.
And it's just been an opportunistic grab to throw
blame and attack fellow fucking believers.

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And it's disgusted me that the display, I mean, I can
understand an emotional fray andmaybe a reaction at once.
And then you reason with your brothers and sisters and you
reconsider it, and you listen towhat they have to say, and you
find some sort of, you know, meeting in the middle and things
make sense again and everyone can kind of just move on.

(06:22:09):
No, there's been none of that. There's been none of that.
There's been a wacko nut job, a couple of treacherous rats, and
then a few other loud haters that are all just jumping into
the fray to attempt to needle atme over something that I don't
even know. Can't even get a good
justification as why any of spiders bullshit is my fault at

(06:22:31):
all, but they'll come up with some concoction.
I was supposed to be there. I was supposed to kick him out.
Dave was supposed to kick him out.
Ryan was supposed to not call for this one crime that spiders
done for like the 50th fucking time in this community.
And whatever reason, you know there's someone to blame other
than Spider himself. So that's, that's the virtue.

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And and what am I going to look?Am I going to look at the
atheist for virtue? Of course not.
They're fucking clowns too. So where do I look exactly?
Sure. Shit ain't Christianity, ain't
Islam, ain't Buddha, ain't that fucking that Tao Dao shit.
Dumb fucking existential vague rhetorical garbage.

(06:23:20):
No where is it? And I don't know.
And we all have to figure out for ourselves.
We all disagree with each other.How do we even know we disagree
with each other on our intrinsic, necessary or
peripheral who? How do we even know?
You know, dude, I think it's interesting a lot of things
you've said because even though I'm not against Christianity,

(06:23:44):
the things you've said about like American Christianity and a
lot of the ways that many Christians act, I actually feel
exactly the same way, man. Because there are a lot of
people out there that that claimto be Christians, but yet, like
you said, they they spit on people, they spit false
accusations and they just don't care.

(06:24:05):
It's like that's one of those type of people who claims to be
a Christian, and I believe Jesusis going to say to them to
depart from me. I never knew you.
And of course, this is like, youknow, we've all had
transformation as well. I kind of embraced the form of
open theism eventually because Icould no longer reconcile the
idea of an exhaustive closed future with God's with man's

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free will and such. But you know, some people
started calling me a heretic after I did that, and it's like,
well, it was never. I also would have called you a
heretic back in the day for that.
Well, but The thing is, the reason why I say it's not, even
if it's wrong, is because I usedto think it was heresy until I

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realized I didn't actually understand what it taught.
Because it never denies that Godis omniscient.
It just says that certain facts don't exist about the future,
and because certain facts about the future don't exist, God
can't therefore know it. And that's ridiculous, but OK,
whatever. OK, We can disagree, you know.

(06:25:13):
Oh, well, I mean, if you want toinvalidate the possibility of
middle knowledge of God having the capacity or the knowledge
power in order to actually be able to process and perceive
potential realities as well as the actual reality, I mean,
that's, there's no contradictionthere.
There's no reason to necessarilylean into that.
I mean God, it's it's better offallowing for the idea that God

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believes in possible realities rather than holding to the idea
that he doesn't know any realityat all.
Well, again, that's a bit of a misunderstanding.
Also also an issue of the fact that all the fine tuning
components that the the beginning of the creation of the
universe would not make sense for someone that could not
predict nor know how they would all interact with each other.

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In order to make sure that they are at the right constants
comparable to each other. An open theist God would have to
have a probably a million trialsand errors, if not more to try
and figure out the right, you know, formula of exactly what
constant and how it reacts with others and how it needs to be
planned out because you can't see the future to know how those
interactions will manifest in a universe of atrophy.

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So OK, OK, I I get your point. I think open theism probably is
some of the most philosophicallyincoherent course shit.
I I'm not to not to offend you chaos, but I think it's
generally A theology for very lazy thinking.
Well, a little bit. Well, some offense taken, but I
appreciate. So I'm just being real, dude, a

(06:26:41):
little bit of offense taken because I don't think it is
philosophically lazy. If you want to say it's wrong,
that's fine, dude, but come on, I'm trying to be calm here.
No, I do think it's wrong and I do think it's like some of these
and especially like a fatalisticworldview.
It's a very easy, you know, 1, you know, one thing kind of all

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encompasses and catches all. And it's a very simple way to
explain just about everything. And I think open theism is
basically the same thing, but while still affirming the
presence of free will, in fact, making free will itself supreme,
even above God himself. So you have the ability to know
or predict accurate in the future.

(06:27:23):
So, OK, but anyways, we're getting off topic.
The point I'm trying to make here, man, is that, you know, I
know you're probably having a hard time right now.
And I don't blame you, you know,because I don't still, I still
don't know all the details aboutwhat's been going on with Spider
and you know, everything you've been ranting and raving about,
which, you know, I'm not going to pretend to know all the
details. But I can tell you've been

(06:27:44):
through a lot lately. And that's why, you know, I'm
not here to condemn. Even though kind of like Beckel
and Jill, you know, we may not necessarily like what's going
on, but we're not here to condemn.
We understand how hard it is because I remember what it was
like when my best friend Kunal died.
All he ever wanted to do was help people and he is the one
who freaking gets blood cancer and not someone like Travis

(06:28:04):
Scott who kills kids at concerts.
So I get it, man. It's hard.
And I understand your pain. And that's why I like, I'm not
trying to convince you. I'm not going to make an
argument tonight. I understand right now you're
kind of just, you know, you're hurt, you're devastated, you're
emotionally devastated and I don't blame you.
I don't even know. I'll be honest with you.

(06:28:26):
I don't even know when I'll stream after this.
It might be a day, it might be aweek, it might be a month, I
don't even know. But I'm doing this now to get
this out, to do my venting, to let you all know where I'm at,
lest you not, you know, know, and I just disappeared.
You don't know what's going on, think I'm dead in the ditch
somewhere. So I'm not letting you know, you

(06:28:48):
know, all of you where I'm at with it.
You know, if you want to pray towhatever God you think you serve
or think exists, by all means, go right ahead.
I won't request it. I'm not going to put necessarily
a whole lot of faith in it myself at this point.
To be honest. I, I don't know, honestly, at

(06:29:09):
some level in my life, I'm not even entirely sure if I can
practically give any credible benefit to prayer that much
right now. Maybe I'm just not in the right
headspace, I'm not entirely sure.
But if you want to extend it andthere's any possible value, I
won't reject it. By all means, go ahead and pray

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for me, but I just don't want toat the very least really
participate in this title. I understand anymore.
I'm tired of Christians coming over here and telling me, you
know, and usually it's just the dumbest and the most uneducated
ones too. And they come over here and
they're going to tell me how to do things and what to say and

(06:29:52):
how to talk and how to communicate.
I mean, who are you? You know, I totally get it, bro.
Like who? Like, I mean, really like, who
are these people? They're going to come and
dictate to me. They don't have the ability to
build their own platform. You know, they don't have the
ability to do anything that anyone wants to latch on to or
listen to. But then they're going to come

(06:30:14):
over here and try and shape me to be as boring and
uninteresting and ineffective asthem.
You know, where is the where is the ethic or the utility in
that, in that, right? I understand and I totally get
it, man. I've gone through those same
trials myself, dude. I've gone through a lot of

(06:30:36):
things. You know, my best friend who
died, he was the guy who originally made the
instrumentals for my music. Because I recently had to decide
between apologetics and music. And for now, I've decided to do
apologetics because, well, it just seems like what I'm best at
because if I'm being completely honest, after my best friend
died, it just hasn't been the same since.

(06:30:56):
And so I understand man, you're going through a lot and just
know this dude, God is not goingto, you know, I know you don't
believe right now. I don't know if it's because
you, I'm sure it's probably a mix of emotional reasons and I'm
sure it's maybe a few intellectual as well.
I'm not going to pretend. I'm not going to psychoanalyze

(06:31:19):
everything me pulling, but I, I assure you, chaos me pulling
back to this point is trying to avoid any emotional decisions
about belief right now. In fact, I'm trying very hard to
make sure that that is the one thing that doesn't happen.
I if there is any way that I have been fucking wrong this

(06:31:42):
entire time, one way or the other, whether atheism, deism,
theism, you know, Christianity, what whatever I want to, I want
to take a step back. I want to reconsider.
I want to reassess and make surethat I haven't been just
operating with because I want tobelieve it or because I was

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raised in it and it's familiar to me or it's sentimental or I
don't want any piece of an emotional contacts to making me
or leading me to decide what I believe.
I want to take a step back and for as limited capacity as
whatever I can as a subjective agent, try to think about all of

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this and my belief subjectively and and consider if I've gotten
all this shit wrong again. Sure.
And that's OK because it's OK. Take a step back.
I mean, sometimes people have totake a step back because I've
certainly had to do it before because there are plenty of
things that I've reconsidered, you know, some because like, I

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used to be a free gracer, as youknow, and I still haven't told
my brother yet. My my parents know my brother
hasn't because, you know, I lovemy brother.
But I admit there are times whenhe's a little bit too rigid in
what he says because he's a KingJames Onlyist and, and I
definitely think that's got a lot of problems.
And one time I kind of had to get mad at him a little bit

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because I told him about early Christians and why I read them
and such. And I say personally, well, do I
agree with everything they say? Well, no, of course not.
I don't agree with Tertullian oneverything he says.
I don't agree with Reneece on everything he says.
I don't agree with Ignatius on everything he says.
But ultimately, by the way, so you know, that was one of the

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things I had fro not wanted to go and eat dinner.
That was actually along the veinof the very next thing I was
going to present, because they they give you that fucking
rotten Canon argument. You know the Canon argument like
you're supposed to believe. You know the Canon was composed
infallibly. Because if you believe you have
the infallible scripture, the infallible word of God, then you

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have to believe it was infallibly composed as well.
Which means the teachers, all the teachers were infallibly
inspired to compose the correct Canon.
Which, and it it, it's a perverse way for them to put it,
because then they have to explain why all the people that
worked to compose the Canon wereall inspired to correctly

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compose the Canon infallibly, but not correctly inspired
infallibly to have consensus on doctrine.
I have to explain that away if they want to try to use that
argument again. This is one of those things that
at my level now, I can just leave it at that and say
Christianity is horseshit and there's another example for you
and you guys can chew on that. I got a billion of them.

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I promise you guys. I got a fucking warehouse.
I got a silo the size a fucking Mount Everest back here of anti
Christian arguments that I keep ready primed for when an attack
comes to the faith or to my brothers or there's some sort of
challenge. And I've studied and put a lot
of effort into building this salvo.
And it's just as effective against Christians if I don't

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hand out the defeaters as I've built these things, you know,
and dealt with them in my own life and dealt with them in my
own faith and my own walk. And some of these things they
don't put out there because evenI think that the defeaters that
exist for them aren't necessarily really all that
convincing and could potentiallyship break a young baby
Christian's faith. And they're probably not ready

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to really consider it at that level of depth.
That's fine. I, I tried, I have tried to be
responsible with my channel and consider people where where they
are AT. And at this stage, I'm just
absolutely beyond frustrated with the nonsense.
Bond. Do you not have a wrench?
How did that happen? I thought I gave you one.

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How did you lose a wrench? Talk to Brandon one minute.
Bond. Is that actually you?
I think that is Bond. Seems like it doesn't have an
icon, though. The way he talks seems like
Bond. Sorry.
The problem is Bond. I'll, I'll it Bond.

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I'll give you a wrench right now.
I think that is you. I'll give you a wrench.
Sorry. My bad.
Like I said, no matter what's going on, man, whether you
stream tomorrow or you don't stream for a week or a month or
whatever, man, if you need to talk, talk to me, man.
Because I understand what it's like to have a hard time.
I understand how what it is liketo be frustrated.

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I'm not going to claim to understand exactly what you're
going through with the situationyou're in, but I also understand
what it's like to be defamed. I almost lost my job for
something I did not do because somebody lied about me and I was
scared to death. I had never been that angry in
my life. I thought I was going to lose my
job and I thought I was going tonever find work again unless my

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dad gave me a job at his company.
So I understand man. If you need anything, I'm here
for you. Well, I, I do appreciate that
very much. Chaos, and it is just one of
those things I will have to navigate.
I, I'm sure there's many of you out there that might have a

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sense of fervor and desire to change my mind or try and work
me back or give me arguments. I, I, I generally would assure
that most of you don't have the chops.
Some of you might, but probably most of you don't have the chops
to do any convincing to me whatsoever, really even to
contend with me in a debate or conversation and any type of

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contacts. But some of you might, I mean,
some of you might have one of the and I don't know, I guess
you'll just wait and see and I guess you'll just see if you
know, the Holy Spirit can work on one of you to give you the
right equipment or something to get me on to whatever you think
is the right track, or if there even is 1.
But as of right now, I am definitely taking a step back

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from any type of affirmation to Christianity whatsoever.
I don't want to be a part of youpeople.
I don't want to carry the same label as you.
I don't want to be identified inyour group.
I don't want anyone to point at me and say Christian guy or
apologist. I'll deny it.
It's just not who I am right now.

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I'm taking a step back from all of this shit.
It doesn't mean I'm necessarily atheist and certainly sure as
hell doesn't mean I like the atheist because I don't.
I think you're all disgusting fucking people.
And that has not changed. So, so, but I don't know where
I'm at generally personally on this And I, I am at a Nexus

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point of just kind of AI don't know some sort of purgatory, I
guess some sort of middle ground, you know, some sort of
Gray area where I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I'm not entirely
convinced by Christianity right now, I'll tell you that much,
but I'm not necessarily completely convinced against it

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either. But I am definitely challenging
with believing the, the real potential possibility of the
actual Christian God as most people present and certainly as
I have tended to believe. So I don't know where this is
ultimately going to go here, butI do know I'm I'm sick of these
people that claim Christ and do all of this disgusting,

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slanderous, lying, silencing, censoring horseshit.
I've had my feel of it. I don't want any part of them
and I don't want part of the people that want to associate
with them and call them brothersand validate them and that type
of stuff. I just, I got no need for any of
it. I really don't honestly, I
could, I could do a lot better without that shit.
You know, I got a I'm supposedlylike supposed to have some sort

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of virtue and hang around these people, let them constantly stab
me in the back and then forgive them, stab me in the back,
forgive them. I would just go through this
dance like over and over again. Why not?
I just cut to the chase, cut myself out of the pain and
misery and just cut them out of my lives all together and just
not have anything to do with them at all.
I just not give a shit about their souls or whether they
listen to me or not or want to engage with me or not or can

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learn anything from me or not and just.
Move on with my life and say literally to hell with them.
I mean, I could just do that andnot have to worry about the
difficulty, pain, backstabbing, betrayal, lies, slander and
bullshit that comes from trying to help these fucking people.
I totally get it on my own, you know?
I know it's like it's hard and but in the end, we also can't

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forget, you know, you're right. You know, it's good to try and
help people when you can, but there are times where you do
have to walk away. Like you said, sometimes there
are instances where but it also says do not cast your pearls
before swan and do not well, I want to walk away from
Christianity and everyone that holds a label to it.
It doesn't mean I hate you. It doesn't mean I have ire

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towards you. It doesn't mean I think even
that you're necessarily a bad person because you got I think
there's lots of people who call themselves Christian.
As I already said, Jill and Beckel and certainly several
others people in the cult basement dweller and others will
Kincaid that have shown incredible virtue.
My wife, my God, my wife my my absolute gem of a wife.
I assure you, as much as she is a younger Christian, recently

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converted this year, I assure you my wife is a better
Christian than I could ever hopeto be.
I mean, she even in the side chat, she is in there breaking
my heart, still offering to wantto help and talk to Isaac and
others that have thrown her under the bus and attacked her.
And she's still over there willing to be kind and heartfelt

(06:41:30):
and forgiving and sincere. And it just breaks my heart
because you're all so fucking awful to her and it makes me
fucking hate you. I know that.
Fucking hate you all so fucking much right now.
Yeah, well, I had a fucking one of you.
I had to walk away from someone recently too man, because I love
my family and I love my immediate family, but they like,
they keep doing something similar with our extended family

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despite the fact that they keep causing a bunch of fucking
drama. I tell them over and over, you
know, like I tell them to think about this question, you know?
I understand wanting to be a light of Christ and I understand
wanting to help them, but think about this and I want to think
long and hard about this. What can we possibly do for them
that we have not already tried? And they can't give me an

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answer? And it's like, well then that
should be your answer as to whether or not we should even
associate with them at this rate.
Because if you can't answer thatsimple question, then that means
we've done everything we possibly can.
And if we've done everything we possibly can and it's still not
getting better, then we need to stop.
We need to just let them work their own shit out and try to do

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the best we can to pray for them.
Even Jesus said sometimes you have to brush the sand off your
sandals and keep walking. Some people don't care, some
people don't listen, and they ain't going to listen.
Amen. And I'm just, I know I don't
blame you for needing to take a step back, man.

(06:42:58):
I'm just, like I said, you know,if you ever want to talk or if
you ever want to say something, just message me on Facebook or
Discord, man. I'm here for you.
Yeah, I appreciate it, buddy. Thank you.
Yeah. I actually thought this was an
attack on the Free Grace community.
Well, it is. I read in the way it is.

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I person. I personally don't mind if you
leave that Christ or froze Christ, his version of
Christianity. I personally don't don't really
care, but my my pastor, I I got I got to step out.
So I'll just say this and I'll I'll step out.
You stopping by. By the way, Jill, I'm just good

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to see you. Yeah, my pastor said this to me
if a number of years ago and it stuck with me and it helped me
throughout my Christian walk. He said, he said this.
He said, so your greatest victory as a Christian will be
over people. That will be your greatest
victory that that God will will bless bestow upon you if you

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will so that So once you once you conquer that mountain, then
you know that I guess, I guess he was saying then the the ride
is a lot smooth. So once you get over people and
how they behave and how people behave and how they treat you

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back, I guess that'll be your greatest, greatest victory in in
this walk. So the walk, the Christian walk
is not always a smooth ride. Sometimes it's bumpy, sometimes
it's a roller coaster ride. You know, there's peaks and

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valleys and and lows and highs. And so, but that that's what I
would say to this, you know, if you are genuinely thinking about
walking away from, I know you'reupset.
To me, it sounds like it's a problem with Christians, not
necessarily the faith. So, you know, that's, that's

(06:45:15):
what I would say. I would say I appreciate that.
I do have one more question for you before you go.
I was saying earlier that I'd trade basically the entirety of
the contents of Congress for Charlie Kirk's life.
How much of Congress would you give up for Charlie Kirk's life?

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All of the GOP, not all of the Democrats for sure.
I figured at least that much. Yeah, definitely all the
Democrats. But there's some good men on the
other side. Yeah, that's fair.
Well, thank you for stopping by and your sentiments, and I'll
appreciate any prayers or whatever.

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Jill, you know, I I've always seen you as a really good man,
and you've not you've not changed my opinion about that.
So I hold you in high esteem andrespect.
So thank you and thank you for being here and sharing.
I do appreciate it. Oh, no problem.
Thanks for having me. I'll see you next time.
God bless. Take care, buddy.
See you, Joe. All right.

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Well, what's up? I don't know if we've ever even
talked before. No, not really.
But I think from a new person's observation, I think it really
stems from a place of jealousy. I think you're able to do a lot
of things that these people wishthey could do, and they just
can't. And I think they're jealous and
they want to control you becausethey wish they had this

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platform. Yeah.
You know, I mean, there's probably some truth.
I don't think that's the I don'tthink that's the end all be all.
But I think a lot of it comes from jealousy.
Well, and you know, part of my frustration with that Max,
though, even if that is true, isthe inability of the so-called

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sanctified believers following Christ, or so they claim by
claiming the term Christian, which is what it means following
Christ, follower of Christ or mini Christ, which is really
what it meant essentially when it was created by Pagan, you
know, Pagan peoples to basicallyinsult Christianity.
But initially in in Acts, it's kind of referred to in reference

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as these people that just happened to be a follower of
Christ, of his teachings of saying who he was and what he
did and all this other stuff. And, and it just doesn't mean
what it used to mean. You know what I mean?
And I have a frustration with the idea that there's all these
people were supposedly believingsanctified believers, but this

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is the end result. Like there's no, where is where
can I point to any of this? Where can I look to any of this
and see some real, genuine, consistent, coherent, you know,
type of work of the Holy Spirit with some sense of agreement on
doctrine and morality? And I've seen so much, I mean,

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Christian objective morality is not that complicated to me.
But seemingly when I talk about it with most quote UN quote
Christians, I might as well be explaining calculus to a chimp.
You know, it's, it's, and it gets frustrating because I know
these people are walking around in this world claiming Christ,

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having bankrupt moral compasses and making judgements that way
and harming people in the process.
And is there accountability for them?
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe they're so fucking retarded.
Maybe the bar is, you know, relatively high in terms of
intellect before you earn actualjudgement from God.
I don't. I know I'm fucked.

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If there is a God, I'm definitely accountable, which is
partly what makes me so fucking irritated.
Well, the fact that you're fucking retards, it's easy on
them. Like it's easy for like, say, I
don't know, Daniel Mayo. Daniel Mayo's getting in no
matter what. It doesn't matter what he
believes. He's good.
That's that's a straight up common grace situation.

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He's good. He's locked in.
You know, he's being taken care of in this life.
He doesn't think real deep or consider things real deep.
But So what, man? He's happy and he's confident in
his salvation. And it doesn't matter what he
believes. He's good.
Daniel, ignorance is, is bliss. Truth be told, the more
knowledge you gain, the harder life becomes, you know?

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And I get this thing where there's so many of these people,
they look at me and they're like, oh, I can handle it.
Oh, Smokey's weak. What a fucking pussy.
You know you motherfuckers try it.
None of you can build anything that gets this type of
attention, number one. And even if you could, let's see
you deal with the needling and the attacks and the nonsense and
the bullshit and the slander andthe wives and let's see you deal

(06:49:54):
with that. Not for a week or a month or a
year, but but 6 odd plus fuckingyears.
Let's have you deal with that and you tell me how you come out
on the other side and you let meknow how strong your faith is.
And then then I'll hear some sort of critique from you about
calling me a pussy and how hard it is.

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I have these worthless garbage people who don't accomplish
shit, who aren't noticeable, whodon't really get anything done
that no one really fucking notices or cares much about.
But they got every opinion in the world about me and they got
every bit of condemnation for me.
And they want to go to side chats and convince mods and

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people to not have me debate andto not platform me and not let
me on. I've seen people literally I
show up just to wave and chat tohave one of the panelists openly
just slander me and tell me to be blocked and not be allowed to
contribute. Even happened the other day when
I challenged that idiot Christian Pike to a debate on

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his moralizing over particular words being more right than
others. I mean, they're just threatened
by you. That's, that's just the nature
of the beast. That's why just you saying a few
words threatens their whole narrative and they don't want
that. It's just cowardice and it's
just it's just excuses and they run away.
Yeah, exactly. And somehow they feel justified.

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I don't know how, but they do. So I mean, it's easy to justify
everyone's behavior themselves, self confirming biases.
It's very easy for them to do itbecause that's how their whole
life is. They can never think that
they're wrong. But I've witnessed you admit
that you could be wrong, I couldbe wrong.
Dash and admits he could be wrong.
We all admit that we can be wrong, but for some reason that

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other side will not admit that they could be wrong.
And that's a sickness that is. I agree, couldn't agree more.
You know you'll never see me preach because I came to God
through personal revelations andthrough very very hard times.
I came to God through backstabbing.
Actually. Some of the most important

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people in my life have backstabbed me countless times
and yet for some reason, every single time that happens, I grow
closer to God personally. That's why I will never try to
convince anyone that my way of life is correct because unless
you go through those times that you're going through that I've
been through and they're very different, but the context is

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important in order to go throughthose times.
You will never, never get closerto God because of faith.
Unchallenged isn't a faith at all.
It's just trust, blind trust. So I support you on this
journey. Actually, I think that what
you're doing and what you're choosing to do with this stream
is very important. And I think it goes to show that

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a lot of people in this space need to humble themselves.
They just won't do it. They refuse.
Like, you know, actually I will say this, seeing Isaac come in
here and apologize to you or attempt to apologize to you, I
was very surprised to see that actually, I thought Isaac was
going to be on the condemnation path forever.

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And isn't amazing that I'm so like cold.
I didn't do this whole hand. I really didn't care and I still
hated him just so much. And I don't typically do that.
Like usually I'm willing to try and get benefit of the doubt and
stuff like that, but I couldn't for the some reason the life of
me. And it's not like Isaac is so
important or harmful or anythingor potent or anything to worry

(06:53:30):
about. It's not even about all that.
It's like, it's, it's about like, like seeing someone who is
kind of in that state of like needing help and some bit of
Christian virtue being shown to him.
And you come along to do that and you try to, you know, even
do it with a light hand and encourage him in the right kind
of way. And he just doesn't want to, he

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doesn't want to take it. And then at a certain point,
then he's all of a sudden he's attacking you after you've just
tried to do whatever you can anddedicate all this time to help
this person. And then it just turns into some
form of backstabbing over over fucking spider.
Like, I mean, she's so fucking stupid, like.

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And no, I don't know. I don't forgive him.
And you know, only a Christian has an obligation to.
And This is why I'm going to at least be honest.
I can't call myself a Christian right now because fuck Isaac.
I still fucking hate Isaac. I hope he's fucking miserable
for the rest of his fucking life.
Yeah, I gave up. Stick here and be like him and

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and contradict the faith but still claim to be a part of it.
And I'll be honest with you, no,I I got some real deep disgust
with a good number you fucks outhere in this community.
He won't admit it, but he hates you too.
He won't admit it. That's well, I'm sure all I
know. Of course he does.
See. Look at the things he's not.
Look at the things he said. Look how he's attacked my lovely

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wife, who has just been nothing but a Yeah, she's a great just
about everyone in this whole community.
Yeah. And I joined around the the
spider controversy is when I started kind of showing up
around here. So to to kind of come in at that
time point, I've been called to be here for a very specific
reason. I could not understand why until

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this stream until you started tolike bare your heart, I guess
you could say. And to see how everyone
attempted to try to help you by telling you how wrong you are,
it it's just amazing. Anyone thinks that they're going
to convince you to come over to their side in a moment like this

(06:55:37):
is ridiculous. That's why I said nothing.
I've been there, I get it. Nothing.
No one could have told me at my time period when I've been going
through a lot of stuff like this.
Nothing anyone can say was wouldchange my mind.
And the amount of people that tried to change my mind only
made it worse. So that's why I told Isaac the
best thing he could do if he genuinely wants to help the
situation is to remove himself from the situation for a while.

(06:55:59):
And then he left. I don't.
I told him he didn't need to actually leave.
Just don't focus on Smokey. You want to talk about
something, Let's talk about yourvideo games.
You like, I like video games too.
Let's talk about that. Let's let's talk about something
other than Smokey. If you want to be around, you
don't have to just keep condemning, condemning,
condemning. And you know, that kind of
reminds me. How many times did Jesus condemn
people? A lot?

(06:56:20):
No, I mean like physical people.That's what you mean by
condemnation. You know, calling the Pharisees
watch tombs, the foxes, the snakes, all the charred
language. Your father is the devil.
I don't tend to think of Jesus says your daddy is the devil,
that you're probably saved. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. The point I was trying to make
is Jesus didn't spend his life condemning people.
He spent his life trying to savepeople.
And it wasn't through. Well, no, that's true.
Yeah, He, he came to. He came to not, you know, speak
to the righteous or save the righteous, but to save the
sinners and loss. So yeah, absolutely.
No, I, I just, I hate this idea that all these Christians decide
that they want to continue God'swork in the worst way possible.

(06:57:07):
It's just, it's fascinating. It's main character syndrome.
All these little people think that they're the most important
thing since Jesus, but they're just simply not.
They need to humble themselves and I don't think they will.
So, you know, I ditched the label Christian what, 6 years
ago? But I haven't, you know, I'm

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still in the faith technically. That's why I asked people like
to try to figure me out. Do you think I'm in the faith or
not? And you know, if anyone goes to
check out my shorts, I, I don't recommend you do that.
I'm not trying to become popular, I'm not trying to get
attention, I'm not trying to do anything like that.
But I have a very good way of scaring away these type of
Christians. People see the glowing eyes and

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think demon right there. There's a metaphor in that.
That's why I've never changed myicon, you know?
There's a metaphor of me being alight in the darkness.
My goal in this life, being a massively empathetic person, is
to combat hate with love. But not that every everyone
deserves love. And I can't give everyone love,
especially if you're backstabbing me taking.

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It took me a long time to forgive some of these people
that backstabbed me, and I don'tactually forgive them.
I understand why it had to happen and through that I have
been able to forgive some people.
But you ask me, do I still have hate in my heart for certain
people? Yes, I do, and I don't feel good
about that. But it's part of the process.

(06:58:30):
You can't love everyone all the time.
It's just not possible. Behind the back and the front of
your back and the front of your face.
Oh yeah, and anyone listening tothis has has my full permission
to backstab me all you want. It doesn't affect me anymore,
but it's only because I've been through it so many times in my
life. Put to call Smokey a pussy
because, you know, this, this pressure built up.

(06:58:52):
That's just insane. Like I like he said, you know,
put put yourself on your hands. If if Isaac had all these people
coming after him the same way Smokey did, he would have
cracked way sooner. You know, just as an example,
and it's really unfortunate to see Burgos and Tauruses are best

(06:59:15):
friends of Zodiac of the Zodiac and Pisces.
Yeah, well, you know, y'all are both Taurus dashed and that's
not helpful right now. But I did one of things that I
love. I know, I know, I know.
I want to use you as y'all became my favorite 1 and Aries

(06:59:37):
is also my favorite. Your wife?
Yes. And she's got 10 lbs.
I mean, it's just all evidential.
I want to use dashing as a primeexample.
Dashing has been nothing but loving and endearing to people
and to for for me to witness youshowing dashing grace and for
you to get condemnation for that, that that kind of ain't

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that a bitch, right? Yeah.
It's unfortunate by Christians, spirit filled believers, mind
you, moral people standing on righteousness.
Yeah, yeah. And that's why I kind of played
the backseat this whole stream because I just wanted everyone
to get their vitriol out becauseI have none.

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I'm not going to be turning on Smokey anytime soon.
You'd probably have to go out and murder somebody and me to
witness it to be like, OK, maybeSmokey really is not who he says
he is. But I've, I've seen you do
nothing but be open and honest about where you're at, what
you're doing and what's going on.
And everyone wants to twist it around and push their own

(07:00:43):
narrative. But you've just been open and
honest about everything, even when you feel like you are in
the right or the wrong. Like for example, this whole
stream has just you basically. It's just you being honest
really. And a lot of people can't handle
that. You know, everyone wants to say,
oh, is this fake? Is this fake?
Is this fake? I knew from the title alone that

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this was not fake. You're not a fake person.
You're not out here to put on a show.
Yeah, you can be performative. Everyone can be performative.
But for people to question whether or not this is a real
thing going on, it's insane. Yes, of course it's real.
I'm not that good of an actor. Exactly.
Exactly. Honestly, truth be told, I just.

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I just. I just, I just, I just got in
from the Senior Center today. I was playing pinochle all day
and some roulettes and things and we went to the casino to
walk around with our oxygen tanks and I just got back.
Wow, good to see you Dave. That is sounds so much fun and

(07:01:49):
welcome back another person, oneof them.
No, I cut down like 10 trees today and cut them all up to and
then I dropped to at the end andit got too late to continue.
So I got to fix that tomorrow. I probably got about 1/4 wood
laying there. So yeah, Well, I just thought
I'd let you know I'm going to doa standby.
I got to run into the store and get some milk and I'll be back
and we'll if you want to do a follow up broadcast and later
I'll Jack. Yeah, no, we'll do that because

(07:02:11):
I eventually here, I'm going to shut this down and then we'll
switch it over to your side. So that's good.
OK, I'll put you back on Co hostthere, whatever.
And I don't know how there's some sort of way I can actually
send my audience to your stream if you have it set up.
I don't know. I don't know.
But we'll figure it out eventually.
But it is an option. I'll check the studio here at

(07:02:31):
some point. I think I have to do it through
the YouTube app itself. But if I, if you get something
set up, get something set up andthen if I can figure out how to
do it, I can send the audience over there.
And then we can just carry on. You know that type because
we're, we're at 7 hours now. So, you know, we we got, you
know, we're going to hit that, you know, Mark.

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So a lot of highs, a lot of lowstoday.
Well, yeah, I'm just, I'm going to put you back on the main mod.
OK. Yeah, No, that's cool.
I appreciate it. But I don't know, by the way,
and you might give it back to fro tomorrow or something
because I don't know. I'm going to.
Yeah, I can do that. I don't know if I'm going to.
He likes to get, I figure, you know, he likes to come in around
5:00 AM my time. So from now until then, it'll be

(07:03:14):
mostly. Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah. I don't know how much I'm going
to be around. That's cool.
I can adjust it if he wants it. Yeah.
Well, you guys. Yeah, that's fine.
You better want to go and talk about this.
Look in the mirror. All right?
I'm going to run to the store. I will be back.
I'll see you guys a little later.
OK, buddy. Appreciate it.
All right? I love you all so much.
It's like abuse. Lady Dashon, I think you got a

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hot mic. Turn Shanny off.
I'm going to mute that exactly, Dash.
OK, I tried. OK, He's muted.
OK, All right. But yeah.
Are you talking to Shanny? Are you talking to Shanny?
Dashon, I've tried. There's no saving Shanny.
No, I'm just referring to it. Were you talking to Shanny or

(07:03:57):
just listening to her stream or something?
Yeah. OK.
All right. I'm gonna carry.
I have a lot of care of their housemates.
Stream over there. Oops.
Dashton, tell Shanny that you you think Smokey is a great guy.
You know, Shanny is a Virgo too,and she's also Virgo rising.

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That's why I get to pick up stuff from her.
And then she has sent us Gemini.But whatever.
And, well, tell her, tell her that Smokey.
Smokey is a great guy. If you if you think I'm a great
guy. Yeah.
What does she think of you? What did you know anything?
Oh, she thinks I'm awful, but but just just tell her that you

(07:04:40):
think I'm a great guy. School somebody and she didn't
know. I don't know.
I think there's maybe something sometimes and have that
expression, but who knows. Also, I don't know, like, you
know who Smokey St. is and her girl, His girl Harry's Harry's
girl, Low, you know, he's a Virgo and turns out to be the
shizzle, just like every Virgo Iever come in contact with or see

(07:05:03):
on YouTube. Especially YouTube, because
they're always the best to listen to you and they're
fucking hello. Yeah, Fuck yeah.
They can pick the details of thethings and be the best critics
and all that good stuff. Good, healthy shit.
Fuck yeah. And get rid of all this, all the
delusions that other people haveis a Virgos cleanup that is like
thebomb.com how they just do it.I don't get the opposite little
view dash and Shanny hates everyone all the time.

(07:05:27):
Oh no, me and her are friends. That's my real friend.
She's mad. She's my you 2 mother.
You know you're free to do whatever you want.
Shanny needs psychiatric. As someone who has BPD myself,
Shanny needs psychiatric help. Well she's she's, she's not just
sitting around all day. Just validating your own

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bullshit is self-destructive andshe's self destructing.
I think there's hope for Rev. I think he can still become a
better person, but he has to getaway from her.
I've been there done that. It creeps.
You hear them. I don't know if you're allowed
to. I don't know if that's cock
around. I'm sure they don't care.
Yeah, Smokey, I support. I support your your decision on

(07:06:12):
this. It's it's a decision I made a
long time ago. That's why I you don't see me in
any of the other like Christian streams.
I choose to be here because I think you're one of the realist
motherfuckers out here. So yeah, I agree as fuck with
that period. I'm agree on paper.
I am a paper Christian. I'm not going to lie, if I'm if

(07:06:33):
I'm in the census, I'll check the box.
But you know, I was a big part of a local church and I got the
peek behind the curtain and see the same thing you're witnessing
here on YouTube. And I was disgusted and I vowed
to never return. Does that mean I'll never go
back to a church? I'm sure I will one day.
You know, my son is getting a little bit older and he goes to

(07:06:54):
church. His mom brings him.
And I don't have any problem with that.
I'd rather him learn early on morals, you know, that don't
exist in the Bible, right? But I, I want that.
I do want my kids to be able to choose.
I had a. He's very young and I told him,
you know, I'm glad that you're doing this now, but I will never

(07:07:16):
force you into my own beliefs. If one day you choose to go
against the grain, just be prepared to defend yourself
'cause I will challenge you. Absolutely, yeah.
And. And he's only fixed.
So you have to just equip them as best as you can, you know,
And then they're going to have to trust that they gleaned what
they can off of it. And we'll use what's what's good

(07:07:38):
and keep to what's right. And I guess it's really all you
can hope for 'cause there's no virtue and just trying to
control them and Michael manage them, you know.
So mother gave gave this a pieceof paper that the her son tried
to pretend to sign to the teacher and tell and tell tell
on her own son to the teacher for falsely signature.

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Just a little bit about me. I was raised agnostic.
I wasn't actually raised agnostic.
It's just my family never pickeda side ever.
And there were a lot of trials and tribulations is how I found
God, which is ironic because I, I studied the Bible a lot prior
to that trying to find God in the Bible and I just couldn't.
It didn't make sense to me really at the time, but now it
makes so much more sense to me as an adult going through the

(07:08:26):
life experiences that I've been through.
It just, I don't know. I, I want to say that I had a
spiritual awakening, but I thinkthat's a, that's a stupid term,
you know, But when I opened myself up to this belief that
there is a higher power, I've always, I've always held that

(07:08:47):
belief. I'll say that.
But to open myself up to things that I couldn't understand.
Did I only truly understand? I was so worried about reading
the Bible to disprove it that that's exactly the message I got
out of it. This is fake, this is stupid,
this is bullshit. Right?
But then Fast forward 10 years from then, I'm rereading the

(07:09:10):
same Bible and it's making a lotmore sense to me than it ever
did before. Now I'm not as well versed to
sit here and quote scripture in a debate at a high level, which
is why I stick around people whocan.
My experience has been so personal that there is no way

(07:09:31):
that I could articulate it in such a way to convince anyone
that what I experienced was real.
I've witnessed dashing try to dosuch a thing.
And while we see how far that goes, everyone's like, no, no,
you can't see God. You're not allowed to.
Yeah, you can. I have not had that level of an
experience that you've had dashing.

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But I've seen God in people and I've seen the devil in people,
and I felt it with every other sense but my eyes, right?
And unfortunately, witnessing the death of Charlie Kirk, that
didn't like, reawaken me. It just kind of reinvigorated
me. I had never once listened to a
Charlie Kirk debate prior to or after.

(07:10:15):
But to witness a man of Christ get assassinated blew my mind
because that made me realize we still live in the same world
that would crucify Jesus today if he walked this earth.
And I used to think that that spiritual warfare was all
bullshit until I witnessed that.And I witnessed it over and over

(07:10:38):
and over and over again countless times.
It's sad for shape in the body. That is interesting.
I can't imagine wanting to be favored by a world that would
still cruelify Jesus today. Which is why I will never accept
the world. I will never be an atheist.
Worst I'll ever become is another agnostic person.
Is it real? Maybe, I don't know.

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But this season of my life thereis no doubt in my mind that a
God is real. Which one do I pick?
I pick none of them. Angels told me.
One Angel said, I'm going to show you your testimony of God
and then you have good chambers.So she said I'm going to show
you your testimony of God. So that means that exists for
the angels. And then she says I'm gonna show

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you your testimony of God and then you have good chambers.
What would that all mean? I don't know, but she said that
to me and I saw clearly right before I saw the death, the I
was doing a psycho renal as Libra, right?
Complete stranger and I saw it all.
I saw his wife and and OK, he's like a white Libra, but there's

(07:11:42):
this black chick in the in the spiritual realm.
And she she told me she had diabetes feet, but she still
wore high heels And she would they were basically homeless and
they lived in abandoned house and they read the Bible and she
showed me a verse and I read it out loud because in in the
spiritual realm, I could just read a letter in the spiritual
realm because I could just see these visions and this whole
thing happening. Just that's how I do it.
And she showed me that they had a box, you know, like it was

(07:12:06):
just made out of wood, like wood, pieces of board or
whatever. I'm just describing what it
looked like, you know, so I said, tell this guy and this
Angel all of a sudden appeared and she says, I'm going to show
you your testimony of God in thechamber.
So that was really crazy and awesome.
And even before that I picked upon his passed away uncle, his
passed away grandpa and all thatother stuff like that.

(07:12:27):
It just and it led to that leveland all of a sudden that that
supreme thing came and he was smoking a cigarette, that piece
of a douchebag. Idiot.
And he's like, I'm going to go to bed, angels around us all.
But I'm like, I figure out this opportunity to see the fucking
angels. No, you haven't, bitch.
And this is your first fucking time.
And he's just like casually thinking that, you know, I guess
he's fall asleep for the presence of his own Angel.
Where the fuck this is? Because not everyone, I think is
wrong. This is like a once I left a

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chance, but I walked away because and I could still see
the Angel floating above him after that, you know, and still
could see it walking down the street, far, far down the
street. This is a downtown area.
And he was just sleeping on a bench.
But that was fucking cool, you know?
And I mean, I was at a Plaza center, right?

(07:13:08):
You can't be schizophrenic. You can't be on, You can't be
wasted at the Plaza center. You get tested all the stuff.
And when they were pricking me, I was just like left around
these people. I was like, I'm like, I got held
back by going in Tacoma because this Gemini dude hit me with the
car while I was roller skating up a hill.
Meet my Scorpio ex's best friendto go to the mall.
Just practice my psych abilities.

(07:13:29):
Hello. Once I found out I'm talking,
I'll be the first to tell you dash.
And you definitely have an ability there.
There's no doubt in my mind thatyou have a ability that a lot of
people don't, nor will they everunderstand.
They don't practice it. This is for everybody.
Everyone has this. No, I, I, I do agree to

(07:13:50):
practice. They're not embarrassing
themselves to practice. They're humiliated themselves,
are rejected. I agree often, but not every
other people. And they're scared that what can
happen if we actually could do this and we can't.
And I'm not going to do it harm.I'm just going to do it because
I can. That's what No, listen, listen.
Not everyone will handle it responsibly.
Most people will use it for evil.

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Exactly. And I would never hello.
Greater good is the best, the way to be good.
This is all in front of God and nothing's going to be hidden.
We can see each other and everything's been seen and and
it's just natural to me to want to love and, and do this without
judgement. That's why you're allowed to do
it. I still forgive all of you, all
of it. I want to see, I want to see it
all through you and that's it. And then and then I get the
message and, and Jesus can actually come through, but he

(07:14:32):
wants to tell y'all something. It's not ever about me.
It's always about y'all. Every spirit is only about
y'all, but it's I got to just, you know, say what I'm saying.
And that's why I can't compare, say I can't control it.
It's that's why I think you're allowed to do it because you
don't have harm as your intention.
And I think a lot of people thatdo have harm as their intention

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would absolutely run wild with your abilities.
Even the scary spooky one. The only thing that spooked me
was a 4-5 share of being. That was the best thing ever in
detail. I could see it the whole time it
was there. It was in the room with me and
the IT was just a restaurant. It's freaking awesome.
It came through two mirrors. I was doing psycho rings on my

(07:15:13):
friend. It's a reason why I can do it is
because people's light. People's light is bright and I
and then you can see it and I have to find somebody with the
light. Y'all are the satellite.
I can't do mine myself and I need confirmation and I have to
practice and I can prove it. Hello, You know what I mean?
It's really fun. I saw I saw on the side chat
they asked if you use the Ouija board and I think that's
hilarious because everything decoration like the movie

(07:15:34):
stigmata, that's it. It's punk rock.
Tarot cards, Ouija boards, hair cards are like lovely and boring
and I hate this like color pink.Carrie White did what she did at
prom, which she wearing pink period.
Hold on, hold on. My point is they're all tools
and she's capable. They're all tools.
I don't do those with the cell phone.

(07:15:55):
I like, yeah, we are the cell phone to the lie.
You're the cell phone. Like your warmth and your lovely
freaking feeling is a good present.
You know, Smokey, I wanted the Iwanted to touch on AI, wanted to
touch on a point Smokey made earlier that he was talking
about idolatry. And it's very fascinating to me
how people believe in idolatry because all idols are is a

(07:16:16):
representation of what we want it to be.
It means nothing. It's ourselves.
We're all ourselves a mirror of each other, a corner of each
other's soul, period. A statue of Jesus means nothing
unless you believe it's exactly that shouldn't even be a
conversation. That's just decoration bullshit.
But but, but I made the doll outof the face being.

(07:16:36):
I mean, who has the doll of that?
That's just the coolest thing ever.
Like that's so cool that I did that.
I thought that is so cool because I did see this being and
I just turned it into a doll. That was awesome.
I think it's fascinating how scared people are of these
images. This is my truth.
This is my testimony. This is my documentary.
This is my my memory. I want to remember.
And it's just like, I make this,like this is cool.

(07:17:00):
It's like a crown. It's not my, it's not my throne,
it's my crown. What's there to worry about?
Buttered toast? If it's Satan, are you afraid
you're going to be converted to Satanism by seeing an image?
Yeah. I mean, just Anyways, yeah,
that's just another dumb controversial thing in itself.
Like it does not do anything. Can't bring Jesus here.
I have to get Jesus went throughy'all.

(07:17:21):
It's very, it's actually very important to be controversial
because that will do one of two things, either reinforce your
faith or destroy it. Piece of art representing art,
mirroring art, whatever. It's just art that's art.
Now if I found out dashing was sacrificing babies, I would be
the first to call them out. But that would be like pure

(07:17:42):
innocent individual, at least atthis moment in life.
I think I, I believe in the science and experimentation of
what that dude did you try to just keep themselves younger?
So wouldn't I be drinking adrenochrome dashing?
I would not do anything dumb like that.
I'm too, I'm just everything. But those are good points that
you should point out to other people who have accusations of
dumb things, things like that onpeople.
Hopefully not me, but you know, they seem to like ridiculously

(07:18:04):
like have their own delusions about me.
Whatever. No, not the idea in your fucking
heads. And I'm not your, your little
fucking fake dream has made me somebody else's hell, not my
fucking reality. We can all share this little
piece, you know? And it's hilarious to me how
people will believe that the Pope has revelations, but
someone like Dash and can't, Right.

(07:18:27):
Everyone can. Literally, there's so many.
God forbid a regular human beinghas access to a world that we
can't see. I worked really hard at getting
there through all these rejections and all this
bullshit. The same thing people think they
had. It can be satanic.
It absolutely can be satanic. They turned away from the
practice of the reality, the keyto the heavens, you know, and
all the Jesus and all the encounters.

(07:18:50):
I mean, look, there's a fabric of reality that is wearing thin
that you are able to see throughif you try hard enough.
Yeah, you kind of. You can do it.
Why can't people try to practice?
They need to believe themselves or some bullshit.
Isn't bullshit your ego to be able to do that?
It's really just being around people.
You just go around people and observe the fuck out of them

(07:19:11):
from the inside out and you can see things flash to pan.
If you're in a state of mind, you don't even have to look at
them. You can see fucking things.
Look, I'm going to share something with you guys that
I've never really said publicly because it makes no sense to me
to even say out loud. But anytime I've ever been in a
physical confrontation, which I've been in several, I go into
a third person mode every singletime.

(07:19:31):
How do you explain that? Now I know you would understand
dashing because there's an element to this life that we as
basic standard human beings can't access.
One more layers than this bullshit shallow shit that
people are trying to portray is what the hell?
You know what? I'm not even trying to talk
tough. This is just to go to prove a

(07:19:52):
point. I've never lost a physical
confrontation in my life and I'mnot bragging about it because
I'd wish I haven't been. I wish I was in no physical
confrontations. But the reason why I've never
lost a physical confrontation isbecause I go into a third person
mode where I'm observing myself and the actions of the other
person. I've been hurt before, don't get
me wrong. Movie on YouTube about me.

(07:20:14):
It's called psychic tapes or something like that.
Dash and tape. I realized very early on that I
have abilities that a lot of other people don't and I and I
try as hard as I can to believe that everyone can do it because
I do believe everyone can have an ability to go into another.

(07:20:35):
I don't know. You know, this is kind of funny
that I saw this movie last nightand I'm not recommending people
who aren't anime fans go watch it, but the Demon Slayer movie
that I watched last night kind of reconfirmed a lot of things I
thought about myself. And I'm not relating myself to
an anime. It's a cartoon, all right.
But there is a scene in the movie where the main character
basically is trying to figure out how to defeat this one guy

(07:20:59):
that he can't defeat and what hehad to do with access.
Exactly what I've been able to access in my life, which is
another state of consciousness in the midst of a battle where
your life is on the line. And in order to do that, you
have to get rid of all of your fear and you have to not want to
actually kill the other person, even though they're trying to

(07:21:21):
kill you. If your intention is to kill
that person, then you can't access this realm.
Either restrain it or boundariesor escape it.
I mean, fuck that. No harm make a right.
It makes it makes sense if you watch the movie and they kind of
put into a into a visual thing that I've been trying to explain
for a while there. There are absolutely different

(07:21:45):
layers to this reality that we live in.
There is no one objective reality that's involved.
Held up by knives and guns before all kinds of bullshit.
Just casually doing it by Virgo too.
And truth be told, I'll give allthese all walks of life a ride.
I get myself a danger. I'll be honest with you, Saha,
it is scary. But you know why you not?

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I wasn't scared, more so annoyed.
But yeah, it can be scary too. Yeah, very scary sometimes.
I'm. I'm just.
So once you understand what's actually going on and they stop
you and punch you, it's like nothing you can do calling it
Jesus, just spiritual. It's not going to save you.
I'm not I'm not trying to give him one.
I'm about physically that I'm right and and you guys are wrong

(07:22:27):
because in your reality, I am wrong, absolutely wrong.
It's like Jesus got your soul, but the the body, I don't know.
But if it just if it if it mingles.
But we're not making this about we're not making this about me
and you Dash, you know, to be tobe fair to to Smokey, he is
going through a lot of things right now that will make sense
in a year or two years time. It broke.

(07:22:49):
I'm eating the leaves of his teeth.
I did want to say that though, before we go on to another, what
smoke he's going through will make sense to him.
But because you'll go so far into skepticism, you agree so
close minded as it keeps you in,it's contradicting or whatever,
but I don't know. But like so Saha, no, I don't
have a six pack. I never cared that I can have a

(07:23:10):
six pack in like 3 weeks if I really want to.
But no, I am very physically fit.
I am very, very confident in my abilities to handle
confrontation. I'm not a tough guy.
I fight out a defense in survival, and unfortunately, I
had to survive a lot of things in my life that I'd rather not
have. This is Christina Ricci shirt

(07:23:32):
from Casper. Yeah, bitch.
Casper was a Virgo and she was an Aquarian.
You can think of me as the exactopposite of dashing, but I'm not
too far different from dashing. You're a Taurus, the earth.
I'm a Pisces, period. And I'm very confident in my
ability to communicate as well as physically fight.

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Of course, Doris is the bull is the one that has a chosen by
God, the wrath of God, the angerof the wrath of God.
He gave that and to pour it on the earth of where he wants his
wrath, which is from Taurus, youknow, the patient, Taurus, the,
you know, they're slow. They're the patient.
They're charming and beautiful and all this stuff.
And they're also, you know, like, you know what I mean?
They like whatever, not like a cat, but like, yeah, they didn't

(07:24:14):
record. I could get on like Scorpio
would cause revenge with the with the wrath of Gwad.
And that's the polarity of Taurus.
Taurus. I guess.
What? Haha.
I don't have to do what you tellme to do.
And oh, Tauruses are never. They're always right.
And you're fucking wrong. Tauruses.
Check out my shorts. Haha.
If you don't believe Buddha was a Taurus, apparently he just
stayed put and everybody served that bitch food.

(07:24:35):
Hell yeah. And he went anyway.
Hello, Bon. I guess.
Hello. Hello.
But yeah. There we go.
Hey, Ron. Uh huh.
Let's just put it this way. If you see me in real life,
you'll understand what I'm talking about to Cam up.
That won't happen. No see people have to pay for me
to get on camera, and I say thatjokingly, but I really mean

(07:24:58):
that. I don't just give myself away my
money period. They earn spiritual.
I want the spirit to show. I'll go on Cam in private and
you they're they're I'd rather do your psychic reading like
this either way, anyways, that everyone has to be hidden like
you know, and it's impossible torage me.
Helen Keller. You can try all you want.
I'm not getting on. I already didn't remember.

(07:25:19):
I saw some objects and stuff, somaybe I should try on somebody
else. Like bond.
Isn't you a Libra bond Bond digital libras are the most
bonding sign, the only ones thatmake you feel like less alone
and they will make and I don't want beautiful with you.
So I'm just I'm just telling youthere's nothing that you can say
right now, unless you want to PayPal me like 20 bucks.
Then I'll get on camera and flex.
I flexed on new me earlier today.

(07:25:39):
Go find it. Put your lamp on there and your
PayPal down there for the for the opportunity.
No, I'm not making. I'm not making.
You're a model. You're a torrent.
Like it's a smoky dreamy, not mine.
The freak show of God's faces. I'm sure I saw you had your,
like, selfie or like a photo of you up.
You know what? Actually, yeah, I'll do that.

(07:26:00):
I'll change my avatar. You you had it.
You had it up earlier. Yeah, that's right.
I glanced at it. Yeah, you look like you get the
gym, but when I did your second reading already said what you
looked like. Remember, I have a lot of self
worth, Ricky Mario and you can prove myself to Internet people.
There you go. Where says that?
There you go. But when I get a chance, I did
want to. Not a filter.

(07:26:21):
That's just me chilling. Yes, not yesterday, but like a
week ago. So yeah, there you go.
I'll beat you up somehow. Not really, but when I get a
chance, I did want ask a question to Smokey whenever you
are done. Oh yeah, no, go ahead, man.
I said my piece. I think Smokey is, is on a very,

(07:26:42):
very specific path right now. So it's good for him to go
through this. Actually, as as as hard as it
seems that he's going through this, he will grow from this.
Burgers are supposed to be pretty fucking readable for me.
But I don't know. We're mostly burger rising
people. I don't know, just let Bond go.

(07:27:02):
He's been pretty quiet. Well, well, I don't.
I don't know if I don't know if he's here or not.
So. But it was a pleasure to wait
with a Taurus. Hell yeah.
I won the lottery at that 2. Just just give me like 2
minutes, Bond. I'll be right back.
OK. OK, yeah, I'm actually gonna
step away from the mics for a second, but I'll be right back

(07:27:26):
anyway. So with all that said, let's not
make this about oustache. And I know we have a tendency to
do that, but this is. I don't know anything about
that. No, I'm not.
I'm not accusing you of that. I just know me and you will go
on a rant forever and ever and ever.
Well, if we should, we should. You're very entertaining.

(07:27:48):
I want to. I want to catch up with side
chat. I wonder if anyone's taking my
spot yet as a number one side chatter today.
Nope, they suck. Hey, Will Freeman, you suck.
Get on my level, get on my level, get on this level.
Love to be in the levels of those still #1 all right.
But I have been very grateful tohorses, number one, number two,

(07:28:13):
number three. But I'm trying to get I'm I'm
I'm being and there goes right now.
But I mean, no, I don't know Dashing personally, but I do
know him on a personal level andthat's fine.
But there's myself. Dashing has been inside my
house. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what that's what we can
do. That's what happens.
We can all watch. Spirits can watch over each

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other. We can watch over each other.
We can watch over spirits. And spirits can look after us
and we can look after each other.
All of us can have this ability at one as one.
We're all linked to the same spiritual thread, like you said,
like the layers of God in heaven.
And I will answer a question formost people in chat.
Is dashing crazy, you guys? Yes, absolutely.
To you guys, dashing is crazy. To someone like me, completely

(07:28:55):
normal. Exactly.
I I specifically go out of my way to find the most interesting
people in this world, mostly by happenstance.
It just so happens I find myselfaround the craziest people.
But you know, I don't. I'm not Jesus, but yeah, I

(07:29:18):
almost alive. Don't you have a moon in
Aquarius? That means you're like a true
friend and you can give equal opportunities to everyone.
I mean, I have never betrayed anyone in my entire life and I
will stand on that. Did you have that moon in
Aquarius? I don't know.
What was your moon? It was.
I don't remember. I'll be honest with you.
Aries like she was. No is an Aries.
But I have never cheated on anyone and I've been with lots

(07:29:38):
of people. Not OK.
Well, let me quantify lots a lotfor terminally remind people
I've never cheated. I've never stolen from my
family. I have never betrayed anyone in
my entire life. Because Taurus is the best
klaptos by the way. It's a side effect.
I dare anyone who hears this to find evidence of me betraying

(07:30:00):
anyone. I dare you.
It's always me that gets betrayed.
Actually, it's ironic. I would never betray anyone in
my entire life. If I say I got your back, I got
your back even when you don't have mine.
And some people you just can't trust to have your back.
They don't need to either. No I I gave up trusting anyone.

(07:30:21):
I mean maybe you have an effort of being bad and bad.
No I don't sounds good. My soul is pure and I have no
reason to betray anyone. The only people I've ever quote
UN quote betrayed, I challenge them and I let them know, hey, I
don't like what you're doing. So I'm going to go my own way.

(07:30:42):
And if they don't let me go my own way, I will fight with them.
And to them they will think it'sbetrayal.
But if you won't let me go whereI need to go, which is away from
certain spaces, then I will fight you.
And some people see that as betrayal.
But I will tell them straight up, hey, I am not on par with
you. I do not agree with you.

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I don't want any part of your way of life.
I'm going to go live my life. And the people that don't let me
do that, I will fight them. Somebody, somebody else's dream,
somebody's dream might be somebody else's lie.
I've never backstabbed anyone. Anything I ever say online, I
will say it to anyone's face at any time.
And that's just the way the world should be.

(07:31:24):
There's no backstabbing here. Smokey has nothing to worry
about. I'm not going to go run over to
these people and be like, oh, Smokey, is that no, fuck all
that. That's that's pussy behavior.
So anyone who does that has no right to call Smokey a pussy
because Smokey will tell you to your face.
Period. Welcome, Iron Man.
Hello. Hello.
Hi there. Now, Iron Man, Iron Man, I'm

(07:31:46):
powdered fucking toast man. Bitch.
Yes, I'm boiled peanut. I'm sorry.
With the P. That's my name.
Powdered fucking toast, man. I kind of want to go back to
Danny Phantom now that Iron Man's here.
I know. Iron Man.
Yeah, you should. I am.
No Danny Phantom. For those out there wondering.
It's the Taurus. It's a representation of my

(07:32:07):
bipolar nature. Sometimes I can be Danny.
Sometimes I could be Phantom, you know, Trisha Paytas is a
tourist moon, Aquarius, Gemini, fast talking rising and I just
don't have the type of bipolar that is an extreme in the
moment. It's very hard to get me from
one point to another. I will have my depressive
moments, but I will have my manic highs as well.

(07:32:29):
But I have come to find balance in between both of them, and I'm
fully able to admit my weaknesses because no one here
will be able to use it against me in any way, not even Smokey.
That was really good. Which I don't think Smokey
would, but you know, just saying.
Like there is nobody that walks the face of this earth that can
make me feel bad about myself. Only I can make myself feel bad

(07:32:50):
about myself. I want to mention something real
quick. Go ahead.
I was hoping you'd come back. It's all good man.
I appreciate you filling the air.
I'm going to grab myself a beer.After all, why not?
Me too. After today, I am too.
There you go. So I did want to share this.
A quick little interjection. I came across a post posted 5

(07:33:12):
minutes ago by Shanny. It's definitely Shanny.
I know it's Shanny and Rev is the name of the channel, but
it's definitely just Shanny that's clearly posting this.
Hell yeah. Shanny's roles.
Yep, and so OK, she has a 4000 shares.
That means she's nasty at home like unhygienic at home and all
that habit like joy bullshit, Sohe can't blame her, but he can't

(07:33:35):
be. You don't want to say too much.
You might get on her bad side and she loves you right now.
She's my friend. She's my true friend.
I know, I know, buddy. Let me let me just you don't you
don't want to chime in on this. I got to make a point here on on
this poster that was just put out.
So and I don't know if any of you were kind of keeping up on
some of the Shanny and Rob stuff, particularly over the

(07:33:57):
last month or so. But her son William has turned
against his mother and even donean interview with one of the
troll channels or you know, drama watcher channel, I forget
which one. It doesn't really matter, but

(07:34:17):
was essentially kind of milking the the fame of the knowledge of
the mother. And also, you know, everyone
having been pretty intimately aware of everything the kids
have gone through, you know, fora good chunk of their lives
having seen it and witnessed it,you know, first hand on the
Internet. Some of the people that have
followed Shanny for a hot minuteremember.

(07:34:37):
So William, who I believe is now18 if if I'm recalling
information correctly, has essentially made the decision to
out her son live on the Internet.
So there was an issue where I guess William wasn't calling her

(07:35:01):
or something like that, and it turned into a public affair.
At the beginning, Shanny and Revwere vaguely alluding to here's
everybody. Hey buddy, good to see you.
Awesome cheers. At the beginning was eluding to
the idea that this was just somevague person in their periphery,

(07:35:24):
their orbit, that they cared about.
That was being unkind or uncaring to them, not reaching
out to Shanny on her birthday orwhatever.
It was something along these lines, and this turned into a
more and more explicit affair where Shanny was no longer
trying to hide. Brother fucker Shanny was No.

(07:35:45):
Yeah, you can come in near me orShanny was no longer trying to
hide. And I swear to fuck new me if if
you interrupt me or anyone else in the room, I'm just going to
toss your fat fucking worthless ass out.
I don't care. You're already dead all day.
I'll. I'll throw you out again.
I will. Can I ask you something before
you do that? I'm.

(07:36:06):
You did not hear me that I was in the middle of something.
Oh, OK, go ahead. Sorry.
You, you treated Mask with this fucker.
You just you just can't help yourself, I swear to God.
Well, let me know when you're done so I can, you know, tell
you what I wanted to tell you. OK?

(07:36:27):
You know what? Fuck it.
What what is it? What is it?
OK. In the bottom part of the screen
all day. You have this going.
We invite all adversaries out. I will clear the room for a
one-on-one and equal time if requested.
Free speech reigns here. What the fuck do you mean by
that? When you time me out in the chat

(07:36:47):
and block me the whole cunt. Because you're a disruptive cunt
and you try to keep other peoplefrom talking with your speech.
That's the problem. It says all adversaries.
You're a disruptive stupid asshole.
If you want to request on one-on-one you can do so new me
and it will be dealt with appropriately.
You don't get to come in and like you did earlier and start

(07:37:07):
interrupting people talking because you need to do a mic
test. You need to do a mic test.
No one need to hear from you fora hot fucking minute.
No, honestly, no bullshit. It was on mute and I had to.
I had to unmute it. Why do you get tossed out
because of shit like this? Because you're a fucking
juvenile. No, I wasn't.
I wasn't being funny. That was genuinely a mic desk.

(07:37:28):
Numb, numb. Clean your fucking food off your
fucking floor for your wife. Please go clean your fucking
mess up. That you did.
That was done a long time ago. That was in the morning.
Show it. Prove it.
Yeah, it's done already. Well, you know what many is?
I don't know if you guys remember the meme that really
was super fat bitch, There was that feminist anti feminist

(07:37:50):
rally or something. Steven Carter was there, Milo
Yiannopoulos was there and stuff.
And there was a, what they call it, I forget what they called
it, trigly puff or some fucking thing.
And it was this super gargantuan, mega fat bitch
screaming at the rally that was screaming at the rally.
But my free speech, but my free speech.
But really what she was doing was screaming the loudest to try

(07:38:11):
and drown out the possibility ofthe opposition speaking.
See, see, this is the type of stupidic, stupid hypocrisy that
New me is attempting to engage in.
Are you crazy? When I spent mic check, Mic
check you thought I was like, he's trying to essentially
unbelievable, excuse me, use hisspeech in perpetuity to annoy,

(07:38:33):
irritate and silence the opposition so they can't talk
and then whines about where's myfree speech.
So when I said mic check, you thought I was being like that
fat bitch at that protest. I think, I think, I think you
everywhere you go, new me. Your whole goal is to irritate
and annoy because that's the energy you feed off of.
And it really does just show what a pathetic man you are.

(07:38:54):
By the way, I found the articles.
I don't know what articles you're talking about.
New me. You're charged with doing lewd
activities with a six year old or something.
There we go, 6 year old. Here we go.
Now it's a six year old, 6 year old ages all the time.
It'll be it'll be a six month year old.

(07:39:14):
It's on YouTube. You guys can search for
yourself. Search up Smokey St.
Exposed. We've got a year in the year.
It'll be Smokey was with the pregnant woman in a Yeah.
Go look it up. Go look it up.
Go go to go to YouTube. Search Smokey St.

(07:39:34):
Exposed. Seriously.
Seriously. I did.
I did want to ask Smokey a question.
Yeah, yes, please. Yeah, blood.
Go ahead. So I joined after you posted you
linked or you pinned the the comment.
You know whichever version of God you believe in, you can
disprove the existence, right? Yeah.

(07:39:56):
So I wanted to see if so, me andyou have had some God.
If you, I swear to God knew me one more time.
You will just be gone. You can go try and irritate Dave
one more time. What?
I just coughed. What are you talking about?
You and you not even your wife. And you're not going to try and

(07:40:17):
replace your boredom of your pathetic, worthless existence by
coming around here and feeding? I just coughed.
What is wrong with you motherfucker?
Mute your fucking mic. There's nothing you have to be
saying right now anyway. I swear to fuck new me one more
time. You show that you have no
self-control and you can't act like any semblance of an adult

(07:40:39):
and not actually engage in the conversation, not try to annoy,
and anyone. You can leave.
I have no value of you being here. 0 at all, and I don't
think anyone else does either. You're here because you're
desperate for attention and you're bored, which also shows
you're a pathetic piece of shit.So shut your fucking mouth.
Keep your mic muted until it's appropriate for you to talk.
And if you can't figure out whenit's appropriate to talk, then

(07:41:01):
you can leave because this is a room for adults, not children
who have no social sensibilities.
Bond, I'm sorry, please go ahead.
No, no, you're fine. So we've had private
conversations. Private messages won't go into
details on that, but at the time, the God that you were

(07:41:28):
following believed in and trusted in the the Holy Spirit
that was guiding you during all of those specific decisions you
made. How would you disprove that?
God let me. I got to mute you, buddy,
because you got some sort of back mic.
Thank you, Thank you. Appreciate.
I'm so sorry, Bob, go ahead. No, no, no, that's fine.

(07:41:52):
I was just asking like when you were giving me, how do I put
this, the words of encouragement, the things that
were said between us, how would you disprove the God that you
were following during that scenario?

(07:42:17):
That's a, that's a, that's a really good question.
That's an interesting take because I asked that because
during this previous, last month, three months, however
long it's been, you know, I've been searching and, you know,

(07:42:39):
I've been struggling with thingsand you know, the last messages
I sent to you and I was encouraged and I was really, it
was something different wheneveryou were speaking to me and,

(07:43:01):
and, and I assumed that you werebeing led by the Holy Spirit, by
God and in the words that you were saying, how you were
approaching different situations.
And which is more than any otherChristian online than I've

(07:43:23):
encountered, right? It was the most authentic, the
most just humble and just it, itwas, it was different, right?
And so now I've just been kind of watching what's occurring and
I'm, and I'm interested because you pose the question, whatever

(07:43:44):
God you believe in, you can disprove and challenge you.
But I'm curious, how would you disprove the God that you were
following in the Holy Spirit that was guiding you during
those times? That's interesting.

(07:44:08):
That's an interesting question. I wasn't actually expecting to
get that type of challenge today.
I actually really figured there was everyone was going to come
in and it was going to be Calvinism and Armenianism and
you know, and free grace and thefree grace God and Catholic God
and Orthodox God. We got a little bit of, you
know, a good chunk of that today.

(07:44:29):
That's the first time I got that, you know, kind of direct
right at the heart of that kind of question.
I actually wasn't expecting to get that kind of questions.
They bond, to be completely honest with you, this was not a
really, I was expecting everyoneto come and give me their own.
No, I mean you, you, yeah, I mean, yeah, you've kind of

(07:44:49):
forced me to have to really kindof self reflect almost because
I'll be honest, like you, you showed me you and Lo have showed
me some things just with all of this that I hadn't really seen
or experienced. And so I'm curious as can you or

(07:45:17):
would you or are you able to reflect on that time period and,
and disprove and say that you were, you know, disprove that
God or, you know, whatever. Yeah, No, I, I, I, I get what
you're saying. And I think that is actually

(07:45:38):
probably in some level core to the self reflection that part of
this has brought to me too, because I think that is actually
the very thing that is the core question about this, isn't it?
Like, I mean, I can believe thatthere's a God that isn't on
board with all the moral deviancy and nonsense and all
the Christian confusion. I know that God isn't the author

(07:46:00):
of confusion. Where there's a bunch of
confusion, God probably isn't, you know, they're working that
or using his Holy Spirit. I look for some sort of cohesion
or, you know, coherence or synergy or something.
And, and I've struggled. I think it's some intrinsic
level to notice that that thing that I feel like should be at
some level manifest if the Holy Spirit has any power at all,

(07:46:23):
with a bunch of people who just have to have, you know, a
suspension of disbelief of a certain historical factoid.
I'm finding a disconnect. I'm finding a real, true
intrinsic disconnect of what basically, essentially reality
would entail to be what it should be, what it should be

(07:46:44):
manifesting to be, and what I actually see.
As if. If what the Bible's
communicating is really true at its core, then this mental state
of recognition of God should be enough to welcome in the Holy

(07:47:04):
Spirit to work in people's lives.
But if so, then how is there so much of this intrinsic confusion
amongst these believers that allhave done the bare minimum that
is claimed to have acquisition of the Holy Spirit?
You know, And how are so many that affirm the nature of

(07:47:25):
Christ, His work, His deity, whoHe is, can be so seemingly all,
each of them in their own way, resistant to the truth, unable
to find any synergy in the body of Christ.
And I look at this and I can't help but wonder for myself, did

(07:47:45):
I get it wrong? And The thing is like, even if
there is such a thing as the Holy Spirit or God or whatever,
I mean, He can use any of us, evil or otherwise, you know,
believer or otherwise. So it doesn't necessarily mean
we're saved. And just because the Holy
Spirit's someone thinks or sees or perceives or believes that

(07:48:10):
the Holy Spirit is working on mylife or leading through me.
I mean, that's then that's for you, for you to see that.
I have to be able to see it for it to be meaningful to me.
And I see people like Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen and oh,
look at these wonderful men of God so promoted and held up and

(07:48:33):
look at how the Spirit is movingthrough them and working their
ministry. And these people are fucking
demons. But you got no shortage of
people that are willing to claim, look at the mighty Holy
Spirit's work on these men's lives and they're, they're
fucking demons. And so many people are deluded
by that. So I mean, at this point, it's
almost where I look at it and I think which Holy Spirit, which

(07:48:59):
you know, what, what, what, which Holy Spirit is promoting
the right gospel. Where is why is it that a fake
Holy Spirit that would lead someone like Kenneth Copeland or
Joel Osteen has more power to bemore wide reaching, to be more

(07:49:20):
powerful towards bringing peopleto a false belief than the power
of the one true actual Holy Spirit God?
How is the true Holy Spirit being overpowered in all of his
glory and might by these fake spirits?
And this is the challenge for me.
So if there's any sense of defeater or answer to give you

(07:49:43):
in that way, it kind of for me right now is revolving around
this. Is that it?
It's still almost like a state of plausible deniability that
these manifestations and these things, there's no consistency
to it. It's not like I can look at
someone doing well and just assume that the Holy Spirit is
working through them or that there's an anecdotal testimony

(07:50:06):
that necessarily verifies. It's just it's all too mish
mashed and nonsensical that millions of people can be like,
Yep, Joel Osteen is being moved so great by the Holy Spirit.
Well, I mean, I don't even thinkanyone in this room believes
that, you know, but millions of people do.

(07:50:26):
So what does that even mean? Like what?
I mean, which Holy Spirit do yougo what I'm saying?
Yeah, Yeah. No, I get what you're saying
that How would you relate all ofthat to the scripture that talks
about the road is narrow versus why?
That's a frustrating thing aboutit too, isn't it?
Yeah. I mean, you know, you wonder,

(07:50:47):
right? Like, how narrow?
Yeah, Like how narrow. Why?
Why does it seem like you're doing this thing?
And then you have all of these people just coming at you and
disagreeing with you and just throwing shit at you and just
like saying you're damned to hell.

(07:51:09):
You're all of this. And the scripture says the
road's narrow. All of these people are doing is
you get some of those people whoalmost use that as a method to
justify. They're really fringe heresy,
you know, like a lot of something that's really like way
off the wall and nutty and they're condemning everyone to

(07:51:29):
hell and, you know, like Westborough or something like
that, you know what I mean? And and they, they like get
verified because they're like, oh, well, the narrow road and
only few will find it. And we must be that remnant.
And we're the ones that got it right.
Like some of these cults almost use it as a rallying cry that
like the road is narrow. And I've always hoped that the

(07:51:51):
road was wider than whatever it actually was, you know, that
there would be more mercy ratherthan last mercy.
That's really how I operated my whole life.
That was always my my. Listen, Monkey, I don't want to
interrupt, but I'm not going to condemn you, OK?
I'm just going to remind you, OK?
Listen to me. He who is in me is greater than

(07:52:14):
he who is in the. I actually have no value for
any. Yeah, I appreciate you just get
wrecked. Yeah.
I mean, because it it it seems like you have this plethora of
people just coming at you onlinefor whatever reason, at the

(07:52:35):
believers, not believers, whatever.
It's all the whatever. They're all.
I just missed the wisdom of new me.
I'm sorry. Go ahead.
No, he's in the back. I just didn't want to interrupt
the conversation. I know.
I saw that. I just got back home.
I heard him say something goofy and then.
Yeah. I mean, I'm just speaking from
personal experience. No, I get it, man.

(07:52:57):
I'm not. You know, here's the thing, man,
I'm not doing this to try and bankrupt anyone's faith
necessarily right now. But I will tell you this.
I'm burnt out. A lot of the bullshit, I doubt
Christianity, not so much just because of the Christians, but
because really truly, intrinsically at some level,
like I'm losing faith even in the existence of the Holy Spirit

(07:53:18):
himself. Like I'm like, and it's, it's
kind of a package deal. You know what I mean?
Like this is, you know, because I, here's the thing, I can
entertain all kinds that you know, I promise you, any of you
guys that think you got some sort of proof or justification
for Christian, I promise you I can torpedo it.
I mean, here, here's my only thing is like if you'll just

(07:53:41):
take some time to reflect and review whatever was leading you
to make the decisions and actions that you made between me
and you during that whole time. Whatever LED you to decide to go

(07:54:02):
one way versus the other, when all else said, go this specific
way, right? But you go the other way.
I just encourage you to reflect on that and think on it,
meditate on it, pray on it, whatever needs to be done.

(07:54:23):
And if you can disprove that Godor whatever it was that led you
there, I would like to hear how you disprove that, that, you
know, the last prayer I said wasfor you.

(07:54:44):
And, you know, that I appreciatethat I I more than words can
describe. I appreciate that because like
the last messages I sent to you,I was in yeah, I was just

(07:55:05):
wrecked, you know? And so I just encourage you to
explore that and if you can disprove or debunk whatever was
leading you to those decisions that you made and the words that

(07:55:28):
you said, and it doesn't have tobe on live stream.
You can be private, whatever. I, you know, if you can do that,
I'd like to hear the rebuttals to that because I don't I'm not
how to put this. I'm not convinced that you can

(07:55:52):
disprove that God that you were following and that you're
worshipping and that you are committed to during this entire
thing. Well, I actually do appreciate
that bond. That's probably one of the more
impactful moments of the day forme.

(07:56:13):
So I do appreciate that. Thank you for taking the time to
relay that, and I will give it some thought.
So, yeah, thank you for giving that to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
Bond has really brought a lot ofsubstance to today, that's for
sure. Sorry, Dave.

(07:56:36):
Welcome. I'm good.
I just got back. I was, man, I was working hard
and I just got in and I was hardly working.
Oh man, I wish I was doing what you were doing today, actually,
even on my day off. I set the camera up so my lady
could watch me chop trees down. I dropped about 10 trees today.

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They were real big. Are you going to put on?
They were only about 40. They were only about 40 footers,
maybe 50. Not that high.
Oh, good. Yeah, they were.
They were. Yeah.
They might have been even more than that.
My trees are tall around here. They might have.

(07:57:21):
They were 50 footers, Sir, easy 5060 feet, but they were skinny.
They were popples. You know, I think a certain
amount of resting in Christ should be thought we can relax.

(07:57:42):
I spent the whole last year actually, like completely
removed from any YouTube community, any Discord
community, anything that wasn't a real life community for this
exact reason. And it was great.
I just recently decided to come back into this community.
I guess you could say. I'm just saying, you know, like,

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oh Jesus, I come as, how do you say it?
Come aside and rest a while. Let me look that up real quick
here. Decker Cain said the same from
Diablo. Stay a while, rest a while or
something like that. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm on Diablo. Yeah.
Mark 631. You started to come eat
yourselves apart into a desert place and rest a while.
For there were many coming and going and they had no leisure so

(07:58:30):
much as to eat. It's just, you know what I mean.
I'm not pulling back from the, you know, whatever.
I'm just saying you're right, man.
It's it's important to rest in the Lord.
When Sammy came over here to visit me for the first time,
Sammy's the type of guy. See, not everybody's like that

(07:58:51):
probably, too, but we're kind oftwo Midwestern guys and we know
how to just shut the switch off and sit there and fish, you know
what I mean? Yeah, man, I'm a East Coast guy,
but yeah, I can relate to that. Just go outside, put some grass,
cut some trees, do something, dosome push ups.
I know Newmi knows a lot about resting, so he kind of is the
resting expert, though. All he does is rest.

(07:59:16):
You got to get a little more active.
Newmi, do some push ups. I challenge you right now if you
can do 50 push ups, I'll do 100.You want to challenge me?
Can you do 100 push ups in a row?
Yeah, I can. Well, okay, maybe I'll hit like
75 and be like, this is yeah, yeah.
But typically, typically, So typically 65 to 7080 is when the

(07:59:42):
lactic acid starts to get up andyou start like, but if NUMA can
do 50, I can do a hundred. OK, NUMA can do about 3.
What about sit ups? How many can you do on sit ups?
I'll do the sit ups, I'll do thepush ups.
Sit ups. I don't know, maybe maybe I
could get 100 sit ups. Gave us a very good point here

(08:00:02):
about resting. I forgot.
I forgot who Universal Artists and is.
Dave, I like your point about resting in the Lord.
That's very important. Actually, I'm not.
I'm actually astonished he said that.
Why never. I was resting in the Lord today
when I was chopping them trees down, you know, I know what

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would be with your woman watching.
Yeah, that was perfect rest. And I was exerting every, every
muscle in my body probably to doeverything that I was doing.
I, I told, I told Smokey, stop interrupting.
OK, He's going to put you in thebackground.
I've never done 50 push ups or not.

(08:00:47):
Not 50 push ups, not I've never done 50 sit ups.
Listen to this. OK, after a 7 hour stream, this
is the conclusion that I, I cameup with.
He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world.
OK. And if we, if we are rested in
the Lord, we, we remind ourselves that it doesn't matter

(08:01:10):
what you or she said. Are you listening, smoking?
He who within you is greater than he who is in the world.
Did any, did any Christian remind you of that?
Where does it say that again? It says it, Dave.

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It says it right in there. Right in there.
What page? It's in there.
I mean, you're not. Flip the book.
Can you fight your sources? It's King James version.
Look it up. I'm going to check the Korean

(08:01:55):
version. Yeah.
Where is that? We're as greater as needed as in
here than he that is in the world.
Flip to the middle somewhere. I know the point he's getting
at. He's not necessarily wrong.
See, Dave is obsessed with, like, exactly where it is.
Remember where it is. I know.
I know it off by heart, Dave. I don't need to look it up.

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OK. And if you're reminded of that,
you know, Brandon was right whenhe said you and Smokey are, you
know, question. Questioning your faith, you
know, questioning your faith, you will never question your
faith if you remember that he who was in you is greater than
he who was in the world. That's not true.

(08:02:39):
It is true. It that that that helps you
overcome everything. I mean, you're right, but but
newly, come on, man. Everyone that goes through a
hard time will question their faith.
Yes, but if you remember that, if you remember that because
that's what helped me get through the rough times.
OK, if you remember that and andand how do you remember that?

(08:02:59):
By resting in the Lord. OK, be patient.
You don't have all the answers. You're not wrong on that.
You just have a very poor way ofcommunicating it.
And that that's what I tried to say the whole day and this guy's
Smokey Saints dumbass. He had me blocked the whole day

(08:03:20):
and not not a single Christian the whole day reminded you guys
the power, the power in the word.
Exactly. If you got it, you're finally
living it. Amen.
Sometimes it's better to let thehost of the show just get it all

(08:03:41):
out rather than interrupting thehost is is like clogged up with
all these thoughts in his head. Sometimes you got to help a
brother out, you know, and clearthings up for him.
Today. I can count about 10 people that
try to help him today. And it accomplished nothing.

(08:04:02):
That's what I'm saying. Now everybody says knew me this
knew me that nobody, no scholar,no, no theologian, nobody.
The whole day reminded Smokey that he who is in me is greater
than he who is in the world. Think about that.
Smokey will have to go through this alone or with his wife.
It doesn't matter what he said she said.

(08:04:24):
I looked it up on YouTube. I looked up Smokey St. exposed.
There's tons of people exposing.So have I.
OK, exactly. So the point is, he who is in me
is greater than he who is in theworld.
OK, done. That's it.
Done. And if you remember that you're
going to watch some old Oral Roberts films when he was

(08:04:46):
walking in and they started the TV show way back in the 70s and
80s. Seventy seconds new me.
How many push ups can you do in a row in a row?
I've never tried that. Never non-stop.
You have it. Get on the ground, do some push
ups and see how many you can do in non-stop.
Who's the guy that can do to a lot of push ups?

(08:05:08):
Again, I forgot Oh, I can, but I'm not going to get on Cam and
do it unless new. I mean, I can do like you want
to have a push up contest with me?
Not right now. I'm Oh no, no, Dave, Dave, I
know you can do some push ups. I will join that sit up thing.
We all do the push ups back backin the day.

(08:05:28):
I say back in the day is like 3 or 4 years ago.
I could do I could do a good amount.
I actually want some free protein powder because I beat
the like, there was this challenge, right?
I went into the supplement storeand we were going to get some
some supplements and the dude was like, hey man, you can get

(08:05:51):
some protein powder for free If you can beat me in push ups.
I was like, all right, cool, let's do it.
And I beat them. But I mean, on average, most
people let me see what Joe Rogandoes.
Do a video on him. I think Joe Rogan did some push
ups on a on a Joe Rogan, you do some push ups.
Let me see at one point I was trying to make about push ups is

(08:06:11):
the fact that Newby doesn't evenrespect his body.
That's why he can't respect anyone else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it, it takes like, yeah, I
mean, that's yeah, that that's clear.
Like I, I think you you let you get summer off actually, so I'm
a little. Oh, he goes pretty fast.
Wow, Joe real, real quick, Joe. He does a narrower grip, though.

(08:06:35):
I haven't had. This is all riveting
conversation about bodybuilding,but UA has not come in a stream
in a hot minute. I haven't had direct interaction
with him for a while, and I imagine he's specifically to
talk to me. Am I right about that?
UA? Yeah, actually.
All right, gentlemen, bear with me.

(08:06:57):
I'm going to move everyone to the back.
And especially since we haven't had the chance for a direct
conversation, probably, I think a hot minute it meant probably
been quite a few years. I think almost.
Yeah. Yeah, it's been a couple years
for sure. Yeah, it's been a while.
So I wanted to give you the chance to come in.
I know you're a busy guy too, soappreciate you coming in and

(08:07:18):
saying hi. If you wanted to say anything to
me directly, I wanted to give you the room so you had the
chance to. I appreciate it, man.
Yeah, you kind of caught me a little off guard because I just
got off a 12 hour shift. So I already landed on this,
right? Yeah.
What what what was that? And then you landed on this.

(08:07:38):
Sorry. It was a good, good ice meal on
the cake of the day, right? Yeah, during my breaks at work,
I saw the stream because I, I think it's been going on like 8
hours or so. Yeah.
Yeah, about that. 8 hours and 7 minutes and 46 seconds.
Yep. Yeah.
So I, I tried to put my two cents in chat, but you know how
that goes. Oh sure.
And I didn't have time, you know, to join or anything.
That's good, buddy. I I get it.

(08:08:00):
I I know you're a busy guy, but yeah, the so basically the the
way that I wanted to present this is how do I go about
describing it? It it's basically a hypothetical

(08:08:21):
scenario that proves that physicalism is incorrect.
OK, so if you can picture 2 identical brains and basically
that's all they are just brains,brains in a VAT.
And the only output that they have are numeric outputs.

(08:08:41):
So you can give it, you can givethem a math problem and all they
give you is a sum. Now, what physical fact would
you appeal to to know what type of addition they use to get the
sum? So you're saying like, how would

(08:09:04):
you be able to quantify the mental processes that get to the
conclusion? Pretty much, yeah.
So if I give one brain a math problem in addition and then or
I I give one brain a math problem, it does it in addition
and it comes up with the right answer.
But then the other brain does itin some made-up math

(08:09:27):
incorrectly, but somehow comes up with the correct answer.
What physical fact would you appeal to to know what rule was
used? Now there are two identical
brains. OK, so it's logically sound.

(08:09:51):
Well, it makes you well, I, I guess that the query then,
because we don't really have a frame of reference in the
physical world to reference to absolutely identical brains in
terms of complete and utter, youknow, cloning structure of the
same, you know, everything, you know, I mean, even if you have
the instances of twins, you have, you know, different
dynamics of Physiology that can alter a little minutiae inside

(08:10:13):
the brain here and there between1:00 or the other, including
even developmental or or nurturing components that might
alter someone's brain development or, or something of
the like, including even how they're treated.
So we wouldn't have anything to reference in terms of two
identical brains. That's the type, not the type of
thing that like we have a reference point inside the
natural world for. So the kind of ascertain

(08:10:35):
hypothetical of the idea that both could, you know, have
different conclusions when we don't know, we can't have any
reference point of two absolutely identical brains to
do. We're kind of just assuming kind
of begging the question that they would necessarily, you
know, use different processes. If they are indeed the identical
brain. I think that's a little bit of a

(08:10:55):
little bit of a leak assuming they are absolutely identical in
every way like you're saying, right?
Well, basically it's just a logical probability.
Essentially what I mean to say is, is, is it's not, it's not
out of, but if you, if you wouldassume it's, it's basically the
same identical brain in every way possible shape and form,

(08:11:18):
just a carbon copy of the other.I don't know why you would
assume that they would use different processes to come to.
Well, that's what I'm saying. What physical fact could you,
what physical fact could you appeal to, to determine that
they use different processes? Well, it would probably have to
be just the the state of affairsof the natural world that just

(08:11:42):
happened to manifest this way. You know how to manifest a
different way with a different dynamic or different balance,
Then such a thing would have a different manifestation value,
would have a different instantiation.
But this happens to be the deck of reality that was dealt.
So this is how it manifests. And I know that's kind of a

(08:12:03):
circular argument, but so is, you know, the justification for
the existence of a creator beingpart of it.
So well, well, essentially all, all that I set out to do is
prove that physical facts are underdetermined because it in
that scenario, you can't appeal to a physical fact.
You have to appeal to something made-up or something that

(08:12:24):
deviates from the hypothetical. I think it's by my issue is that
it's a physical fact for a hypothetical that doesn't seem
part of a possible world in our in our What's impossible about
two identity. Yeah, well, exactly the idea of
having 2 completely absolutely. I mean the nature of the

(08:12:45):
universe itself in terms of, youknow, randomness,
unpredictability, atrophy, entropy, all of these components
that add these dynamics into whether or not something can
actually ever be a true exact replica carbon copy of the
other. You're assuming that basically
we could have a possible universe where that would happen
to begin with. It's kind of begging that
question to begin with. And then on top of that, you're

(08:13:08):
kind of assuming that two thingsidentical would have different
outputs or processes, which I that I don't understand.
If I, if I built a computer and I built the exact same computer
identically right next to it, all the same components, all the
same programming, wiring, everything, it's just a carbon
copy of of the other one. Then when I load a process into
it to function, I have every expectation that they're both

(08:13:29):
going to process it exactly the same way.
So I don't know where this comesfrom assuming this kind of
natural randomness dynamic to it.
Well, well, essentially what I do is I'll skip forward.
I, I tie it to things like The Big Bang.
And when something, when an agent uses a method to create by

(08:13:59):
appealing to those physical facts, we can't derive that
method, which means ultimately we're stuck.
So are you talking about the reality are you getting?
Are you kind of getting at the rules of reality being non
physical, therefore transcendental, therefore step
horse is that kind of where it'sgoing?

(08:14:20):
It's kind of like a transcendental argument type
thing essentially. Yeah.
Well, I mean, I could take a nominal.
I'm not going to be a cunt. I mean, I could take a
nominalist position and just deny that they're a toll, that
they actually exist. It's really just us predicating
and giving them value. But I don't really believe that
that would be dishonest. I think that's ridiculous.

(08:14:42):
I think our minds operate not onprescriptive, but on descriptive
sets. So we only describe the
universe. We don't predicate it, nor do we
create it by defining it. So, so I'm not in that mindset.
Honestly, I don't think that's coherent.
I don't think that makes sense. So I'm not going to be a bitch

(08:15:02):
about it, but go ahead. No, no, no.
All I was going to say is, is what?
How do you think that everythingstarted well?
I think at this stage right now,I'm willing to rest in the

(08:15:25):
minutiae of plausible deniability of any possible
explanation. And I now I say that
temperamentally because right now I rest in the level of
trying to reconcile the idea that there could be a God that
just doesn't give a shit, or there is just a set of universal

(08:15:50):
constants that work together that couldn't possibly be any
other way, that are necessarily determined by each other.
Because if they weren't, then they wouldn't be coherent.
So there must be some sort of dynamic.
Now the claim is it could be a God, It could be a mind.
I'm not willing to discount thatall together.

(08:16:10):
I'm a little cracked in terms ofthis whole Christian deity thing
at this point, but the idea of aGod that doesn't give a shit
about reality is certainly seemingly perfectly feasible.
On top of the idea that we couldbe dealing with something like a
transcendental constant that just so happens to be in and of

(08:16:31):
itself a plurality of constants.So much like we are made-up of
atoms and matter and things and add up to equal something that
exists and is coherent, such could be the nature of reality
itself. Right, Right.

(08:16:52):
OK. And I mean, we must first, of
course, really affirm that thesetranscendentals are really
transcendentals and not just manifestations or byproducts of
a physical universe. Like where a Christian might say
the trans and dentals must be pre accident to the universe.

(08:17:15):
They could also possibly just bea byproduct of it, right?
Right. So so basically you're saying
because of, you know, the state of the world and the people in
it, it's caused you to pretty much, I don't see, I don't see,

(08:17:36):
I don't see this supposedly really powerful, really caring,
really loving, working Holy Spirit happening.
The the things that I would expect scripture to basically
promise that should be here, some sort of anchor point or
protection over doctrine or protection over the church or
something. I see none of that.
I I see basically what is a whole bunch of spirits that are

(08:17:59):
not holy who seemingly have beenable to very successfully
overpower the Holy Spirit to thecost and detriment of God knows
how many souls. And you know, supposedly this
Holy Spirit is more powerful than any other spirit, and yet
it fails so prolifically at being able to do it's one thing,

(08:18:19):
it's promise, which is to lead people to all truth and seems to
be overpowered by every other deviant lesser spirit out there.
So like when I read the Bible, I'm having a hard time
reconciling the lack of power ofthis entity that is supposedly
the most power and powerful in the universe, especially when it
comes to changing hearts, Right,right.

(08:18:41):
So, so when you, you've read Revelation, I know you have
sure. When, when it goes into
describing what the end times will be like, right?
Do you, do you envision that andthe Holy Spirit will convince
most people or do you think thatit's going to be kind of like

(08:19:05):
we're, we're kind of circling the drain until that final day?
You know, I, I've wondered aboutthat myself.
I think I've struggled in terms of wondering if, you know, by
the time you really kind of get to like end time stuff, if like
there's really any actual Christians left on that earth at
all. You know, I, I, I think like

(08:19:27):
people kind of like to read it in context of, you know, a big
chunk of the earth is still saved or, you know, in faith or
with the true God or something. I don't know, you know, it just
seems and how do I even think ofit now anyway?
You know, like you get, you get all this stuff of I don't know,

(08:19:49):
man, a promise to misery, a promise to failure, a promise to
the church being overcome, whilealso the promise that the gates
of hell will not prevail againstit.
And you know, it's just all thisstuff of where supposedly we
have this absolute, incredibly powerful, all caring, all loving
God with the most powerful forcein all of reality, the Holy

(08:20:11):
Spirit. And it just seems crippled and
weak. And I mean all these people
claiming to believe and claimingto follow and.
And look at what they do, look at how they operate, you know,
no matter what version of the thing they hold, you know, their
consistency isn't there. Their synergy with their fellow
believers isn't there. I mean, even the basic commands

(08:20:32):
like loving God, loving your neighbor, it's just, it just
seems like an afterthought. You know, it's not really a part
of their lives. And so where is the Holy Spirit?
If he exists and it's so powerful, where is he in all of
this? I just don't see it right.
Well, I, I think sometimes we'llget caught in pockets of people

(08:20:53):
and those pockets of people, youknow, kind of reflect on us, on
us. I think, I think sometimes it
could be healthy to disconnect for a little while.
You know, what I do is by the way, I do physical labor.
But what I, what I was going to follow that up with is if the

(08:21:14):
way that I interpreted Revelation was essentially that
the end times are going to be pretty bad for Christians.
And so I don't see, unless there's some sort of revival, I
don't see things getting much better.
So, you know, that forces us as Christians to, you know, find

(08:21:36):
small victories and keep the faith and endure.
And you know, what was it many podcasts ago or many live
streams ago, you, you said something that was really
insightful, which is, you know, imagine what, you know, the
early Saints suffered to spread Christianity.

(08:22:00):
You know, here I am in America, living in my house.
You know, I got a good job, my kids are doing well.
I've got good health and they had to die to spread the word,
you know, literally get their heads cut off or hung on on
crosses. So for all the pain that I see,

(08:22:25):
you know, I try and I'm only human, but I try to, I try to
look at that and say, OK, well, this is what's what was written
and this is what we should expect.
Now. Don't let it dissuade you.

(08:22:47):
That's what it means to keep thefaith, you know, you're and
sometimes, at least in my life, I've, I've went, you know,
extended periods of time not feeling the work of the Holy
Spirit. But then when I least expected
it, it just nails me right. So I kind of, you know, there's

(08:23:14):
been times in my life where I thought I really felt it and it
was there and I was verified andI'd see really just horrible,
wretched people. You get rewarded and basically
be able to claim the same thing.And I always had that tinge like
in the back of my head, like, amI really being blessed by God?

(08:23:34):
Or is this just some sort of coincidence that I want to
attribute to God? Like, is this just some
confirmation bias, you know, where I'm looking at some bit
of, you know, good fortune or something working out and being
like, oh, well, God did it, you know, And then I'm just, you
know, am I really getting verification or am I just

(08:23:56):
attributing it because I want to, because it makes me feel
more comfortable in my belief? And how do we really test that
at some level? Do you know, I mean, unless
you're willing to take a step back and probably be real
objective about it. I mean, aren't we all
susceptible to bias based upon what we did we believe is

(08:24:18):
comfortable or raised them or want to believe, you know, Well,
I, I have a question then. Do you think that there are
certain facts that we, that human beings would never be able
to prove, facts that we as humanbeings will never be able to
know? No.
Prove. Prove.

(08:24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe that, yeah.
So why do you think that God uses faith as a intermediary
between him and us? Part of it is necessity.
If I, and again, I'm adopting the Christian worldview for a
minute, part of it is necessity.To be able to fully know God

(08:25:00):
means you would have to be God. God cannot create another God.
Therefore having someone who canfully know the full fact of the
essence of God is literally impossible.
This is part of, I think, the the the potency of the claim of
Jesus being able to claim that he knows the Father, the Father
is in him and he's in the Father.
Such a claim, such a level of intimacy could only be had by

(08:25:22):
someone who he himself is God, at least in that context.
Or at least certainly that's what Jesus has claimed very
clearly was so to the idea of any of us being able to really
know anything. If we can't know the ultimate
thing at any true intrinsic, youknow, core level, I think is is

(08:25:43):
probably unattainable. There are some facts, and
particularly facts around God, His essence, His nature.
You know, the full depth and scope of all that He is assuming
He even exists. That He will, you know, be so
deep and far reaching that no human being can grasp the
entirety of the full fact that is God.

(08:26:04):
No one, no human being will ever, ever be able to fully
understand and encapsulate His absence in their mind.
He's too big and too grand and too great.
We only get basically the energies of Him, the shadows of
Him, the analogical representations of Him that
happened to filter through into our reality.
Assuming you should do, of course, but I, I, I completely

(08:26:27):
agree. Now, are there, you know,
physical facts like like the thebeginning of the universe?
Do do you think we'll ever, as human beings be able to know how
the universe originated, like concretely, like be able to
prove it? Like, like no, like what what
process underwent to stimulate its beginning?

(08:26:51):
No, because that would be reaching beyond plank time, like
to a point where we at our levelof, you know, logic and
perception can't see outside of a realm where there's no time.
We're talking about, you know, something beyond this that is
either a completely different kind of time space and it could

(08:27:12):
be geometric, which is why, you know, we could have the
potential existence of what is essentially a necessary universe
that is in some sort of geometric time loop or
representation that we can't really quantify or understand.
We simply usually as Christians assume that beyond time and
space is time less, but it couldjust as well be some other

(08:27:35):
version of time that happens to,you know, for instance, coalesce
all possible realities into the actualization of the singularity
that actually is possible to exist.
Right, right. And I, I totally agree with you,
but I look at that as, OK, thereare certain physical facts out
there where as a human being, I have to, you know, kind of

(08:27:58):
guesstimate or, or if I want to,you know, invest myself in a
theory, I have to essentially make it a probable.
It has to be a probable truth. That's true.

(08:28:18):
That's essentially, that's essentially what faith is.
So it struck me as being odd that the currency in this world
for certain facts is faith, and that's what God requires of us.
That you seem to all kind of fittogether to me.
Now. The my my bad attempt at a

(08:28:40):
hypothetical earlier was basically it.
It's a logically possible hypothetical to to have two
identical brain states. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
The problem is the IT flows to the conclusion of what that
relates to though, or how that would manifest is, is to me an
assumption, you know, even at that point, because like it,

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like I think the while I agree it's hypothetically, you know, a
possibility, all it has to have is, is all it has to have is a
possibility. And the the reason is, is
because then you can test the logic and the logic is, is 2
identical brain states that do math problems in different ways,

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but give you the same output foran answer.
You would never be able to appeal to those physical facts
to right exactly. So no, I do get what you're
saying. No, I do understand and and it
is, it is at a certain level compelling.
Well, it's not, it's, it's basically a side note.

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The, the real currency of God ispersonal, you know, and, and
people can say this to other people, but it's like an
anecdotal experience. You know, people can tell their
stories and other people will believe them.
Now it so happens that in our law system, people tell stories

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and people get put to death, Youknow, there.
I think we, I think that sometimes we encounter
relationships or people we thinkare getting away with it.
And all we want is justice. We want good to prevail.

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And all I can say to you, man, is ultimately it's going to,
it's going to, I mean, we kind of assume that though, don't we?
I mean, there's some people thatwon't ever answer for what
they've done. So so if, if so, the, the the

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prophets that are supposed to appear in Jerusalem or in Israel
during the reign of the Antichrist right now.
That's something is for us Christians, we're supposed to
look for, you know, we're supposed to plan for to see it
coming or at least try. So there there will be signs.

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I don't think it's just us believing this just to believe
it with no evidence. Now, if you never seen that, you
know, I'm a little temperamentalabout that to UA.
And I'll, I'll tell you, one of the people that helped put a
little bit of a crack on that onme too, was the goddamn Stas.
Because you know, or you know, because they got a, you know,

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you'll go to an SDA and you'll be like, hey, give me one
prophecy your prophetess got right, you know, in the SDA and
they'll usually bring up that fucking kooky one about the twin
towers. They like that one right?
And I'll always point out to him, you know, here you got this
prophecy of warning and no one, not even the SDA church was able

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to interpret it in any kind of way to actually save a single
human soul. Sure.
So what good was this supposed soul called prophecy?
But they, they treat it almost like it's, you know, it's ad
hoc, you know what I mean? Like, like after it's done, you
can interpret it to fit almost like that Nostradamus shit, you

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know, where you know, if it's vague enough or kind of close
enough, then you know, after theevent happens and it kind of
fits. And you know, part of my
struggle too is that Revelation is probably the most
controversial, confusing, vague ass book out there.
I mean, God knows who actually got it right, you know, I sure

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as shit can't tell, I think, butI honestly think it's, it's
worded that way so that the opposition doesn't can't get
anything from it. You know, Hey man, that's not
type of apologetic. I would have said back in the
day too. I, I, I agree, 'cause we got a
alternate possible reality, We have a reality where there are
potential realities, non actualized reality that that

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God's aware of that are part of the dynamic of free will choice.
That's fine, you know, that's fine for me.
But nonetheless, in terms of like intrinsic person to person,
individual value, like we have this book that is outrageously
convoluted and confusing and everyone out there seems to have

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a different take and a differentinterpretation of it.
And I mean, who can even really work through the the piles of
content of interpretations of the Book of Revelation?
I remember Doctor Hugh Ross had mentioned that he had done a
long, at one point in time, had done this massive like 100 some
odd hour breakdown of Revelationfrom every single possible angle

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with every single cross reference all throughout the
entire Bible with all the symbolism and saying what
everything was. Now Hugh Ross is a smart ass
guy. He's an astrophysicist, very
educated, very sharp, knows whathe's talking about, but I don't
even know that I trust him that he got it all right, even with
his extended. And by the way, you can't even
get a copy of it. There's like one church that has

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it on some website you can ask me.
Ross. Hey, Hugh, can you give me the
link for your, you know, your series on Revelation and he'll
send you to some website with some church where you got to
order like $100 CD set or something like that, some sort
of things. We did it at this venue or so
it's the only place you can get it.
You know, it's hard to get, hardto find, but apparently

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extremely thorough, very in depth, something you can
actually hold on if you can't reproduce, can't hand it out
because it's copyrighted, but it's there, it exists.
And he's one of the smartest guys ever, but I don't even know
that I would trust him to necessarily have gotten it all
right. And some of this stuff, like
many prophecies in the Bible, which also causes me a bit of
credulity, is that you don't even know what the fuck these

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things mean until after it happens.
Like, you know, you read, you read Isaiah, you know, 53 and
all that, and the promise of thesun.
And unto us the sun is given. And it clearly is talking about
what's happening then. And you can say, well, it's a
layered prophecy. Some of it's talking about that
and some of it's talking in the future.
Well, yeah, maybe or or maybe it's just desperate special

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pleading to try and grab anything from the original text
you can and claim it's a prophecy of something in the
future. I mean, it's not like that's the
first time that's ever done, youknow, like, I mean, do you
think, do you think that all of the the prophetic things in the
Bible are, are bogus like that? Or is there one that you find
that? Here's the thing.

(08:35:54):
I think, you know, I think it's a type of thing where there very
well could have been things Christ did that were I, I mean,
I'm not stupid, I'm not fucking retarded.
I'm not a mythicist. I, I, I'm working out this thing
of how I'm parsing my view of Christ himself, because after

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all, he is the Crocs, right? That's really what it boils down
to really at the end of the day.Praise was smart to come in here
and make it about Christ when hewanted to suddenly, you know,
when he pitched that stuff at me, that was smart.
You know, praise gets it. You know, that's what you should
do. This is really kind of where it
all hinges on. But looking back at it, I mean,

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how much confidence I have in this record is in terms of, of
the superfluous extras to it, you know, and, and potential
religious, cultural or historical embellishments.
It's not like there's no shortage of those.
You know, you got the Roman Emperor Romulus or whatever

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raising people from the dead andthe such.
And even Josephus is keen to mention some of these supposed
other characters with similar, you know, miracle type lives.
And here we have Jesus supposedly doing these mighty
incredible works. Not like I don't think he
existed. I do believe he existed.
But in terms of the potency of these works, are they what they
are? Did they get embellished a bit

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as they were spread around and then finally made their way into
a record? Well, I mean, you got to wonder.
I mean, did did Romulus raise someone from the dead?
Do you believe the story of his birth?
And I forget how it goes, something about wolves or
something like that. I mean, do you believe all these
radical things because a historian wrote it down and did
cross referencing to all these sources and figured out and

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said, well, this is what happened.
This is what the record shows it's like.
But for Christianity, we just kind of like we shortchange it
in some ways it seems where like, oh, it's good enough for
me. You know, it's like you, right,
Right. If it when most people encounter
trouble with something, they don't, they just will skip it

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and take something else on faithusually, right.
So I mean, Christ's work and stuff in terms of some of his
wisdom. I mean, granted, he, I, I won't
disagree that Christ had a, had a lot of wise, you know,
powerful sayings. I'm not trying to pick apart all
that stuff right now necessarilyin this stream, but it's not

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like a lot of the stuff he was saying was incredibly foreign or
necessarily super new or certainly supposedly some of the
things he said that were prophecies were supposedly
special to him. But you you think Abraham, you
think Abraham was saved, right? I mean, I think God was working
in the world before Jesus. I've I don't have I'll be honest

(08:38:49):
with you right now, you as I stand right here with you right
this second, I'm not entirely sure I have sufficient reason to
even discuss Abraham as if even was a real person to be honest
with you. I see.
So so I don't even know if I have sufficient was it right now
to believe even Moses were the real person to be honest with
you, when you when did you startlosing your faith?

(08:39:17):
I don't know. You know, probably kind of the
tip of it was, you know, kind ofdancing the edge of it over the
last week. I'd say more than anything, I
don't know, maybe, maybe stuff has been running through my mind
a bit for the last month. Probably things that I've been
reassessing that maybe I haven'tthought about in a long time.

(08:39:38):
And the last week is seeing the display of immorality and
garbage Christianity just, you know, I think left me with a
final state of pretty heavy disgust, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I know. I sometimes I, I just, I mean,
these are God's people, you knowwhat I mean?
Like these are, these are supposedly God's people and I'm

(08:40:01):
supposed to commune with them and love them while they just
stab you in the back, ask for forgiveness, stab you in the
back, ask for and I just, I'm supposed to just deal with this
shit, you know, until the day I breathe my last, you know, like
all these are fucking cockroaches and I got to just
deal with their bullshit day in and day out.
Why? Why do I need this?

(08:40:22):
You know, they don't fucking listen anyway, right.
And the, you know, the the versedon't throw your pearls before
swine. I mean, when when does that
apply? You know, Yeah, Good question.
You know, when do we when do we just kind of cut it off more
like swine? That does make you wonder.
Yeah. Yeah.
So maybe maybe you were just hitting it too hard, you know,

(08:40:47):
banging your head against the wall and then they convinced you
ultimately that they're just notgood people.
Here's here's here's by the way,I just want a quick roll slide
note here. There's this fucking Tucker
coming in, this fucking guy, youknow, this fucking guy here,

(08:41:09):
here he is. You know, this is the guy that
comes in and says, oh, just believe on the gospel, believe
you have eternal life and talk in and you can never lose it.
And he's always come in and he'sgot some verse he pulls up and
leveraging. And now all of a sudden there's
stuff we got to do beyond that. Now.
You got it now. Welcome.
Welcome to Lordship again, Tucker.

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You can't get your shit straight.
Thank you for posting this and proving that indeed, again, you
believe you have to do things after you affirm the gospel and
believe it's true. So thank you for that.
Thank you for post. That's a beautiful verse, by the
way. Thank you for for proving your
entire fucking soteriology is false.

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To me, it was. Thank you for that.
Appreciate it. Yeah, to me, it's really easy.
It's like, OK, God made Lucifer.Lucifer at one point believed in
God wholeheartedly. He walked away and was cast out.
Do you think God's justice is indifferent?

(08:42:13):
That's all. I'm sorry.
Ask that one more time. One more time.
I'm sorry. Do you think God, when he doles
out justice, is unfair? Well, how would we know if he
was what? What standard could we acquire

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to level you level against God to claim he's unfair?
Here's the thing, and this is part of the bitch of it does
give us. He does give us free choice.
Let's say you have every Christian in existence, every
actual saved believer, right? And they all like deep down
somewhere in their conscience beliefs, some judgement God did

(08:42:58):
was wrong. Would that actually matter?
Who what what standard are they going to apply to beyond God to
apply to God? There's nothing beyond God.
There's no no standard beyond God.
Just God is the standard. So even if all of Christendom,
he came to the conclusion that God was wrong about something,

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that wouldn't matter because there's nothing applied to you
because God is the standard. So really is the standard,
right? Yeah.
So it makes you wonder, well, what is even the point of any
type of perspective at our realmof morality at all or right or
wrong at all? Because whatever, if you follow
that piece, is whatever he says is going to be right because

(08:43:42):
it's him and he is the standard.There's no standard beyond him.
So even the very idea of right and wrong, I think starts to
collapse inside Christianity because we are really are left
with God being the only standardand all of existence could
disagree. There's no other standard to

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appeal him to. Well, we have examples in the
Bible that we can go off of to determine his character and what
we think he would do. Now that's grasping because
we're we're human beings. I will have it's a it's a start.
I will have mercy that that's a good one, right?
I will have mercy on who had mercy, which is basically say I

(08:44:25):
don't have the same amount of mercy on everyone, but he's
perfectly merciful. Supposed it's right, right.
But I think I yeah, how can how can he be perfectly merciful if
he gives different mercy to different people?
How does that work? Because people make different
choices. So people, some people need more

(08:44:47):
than others. Well, yeah.
OK. So does he give them, you know,
an equivalent amount of mercy based upon their choices?
And it's still equivalent from person to person just
considering your choices. I would think that it's based on
your, I think it's based on yourentire being, you know, the

(08:45:07):
troubles you have with your genetics versus your environment
versus the choices you've made and also the choices you could
make in the future. So I, I think it's all of it,
But, and I and I honestly think that everyone gets the amount of

(08:45:29):
justice they deserve or the amount of mercy they deserve.
Yeah. I mean, I, I, I think I, I mean,
I might be completely wrong, butI think you're, you're just
burnout, Smokey. You're burnout.

(08:45:51):
You're burnout from encounteringtoo many stupid arguments.
You're burnout from seeing all the rodent people out there.
And, you know, you got a lot in your plate.
You just got married. You're probably trying to plan
for a kid. And when I had my first

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daughter, there were a lot of things going on in my head, you
know, and this was 12 years ago.So I, you know, I asked myself,
could, you know, is it a good thing to bring a child into the
world, especially, you know, with the way social media is

(08:46:39):
manipulating people now? You can see it in just how the
culture is breaking down. At least that's the that's what
I see. Yeah.
I mean, the culture teach their own.
I, I guess it's, you know, I've,I've lost a lot of faith in the

(08:47:07):
utility of a lot of this UA that, that that's certainly a
big part of it too, I think. And you're right, I am burnt
out. You're not wrong.
I am. I'm burnt out of really what I'm
burnt out of. I'm burnt out of bullshit is
really what it comes down to. You know, I can imagine.
I mean, you get you get in this stuff and you give people good
arguments and good justifications and good

(08:47:28):
theology. They don't give a fuck.
They don't pay attention. Supposedly they're here to
learn. Supposedly here they're asked
questions and figure things out,you know, have conversations and
breakdowns and they don't actually want any of that.
They want to come in rules. They are validate their own
opinion. That's it.
Yeah, the number one assumption you should have when talking to
someone who is a YouTube is thatthey want to be in the

(08:47:51):
limelight. They want to be in the
spotlight. They want to have followers.
Or at least you, you have to imagine that they've thought
about it, you know, so that's going to come down to, I don't
want to look like a fool in front of all these people.
So they're going to grasp at what they can, you know, they're
going to buy into their biases. And it's just the name of the

(08:48:14):
game, in my opinion. Now, you you might encounter,
you know, people who are genuine, but I think for the
most part, that's the mindset, especially when when it comes to
religion, because you said it not too long ago, you know,
sometimes you get like a really good feeling.
You feel good and you think thatyou're, you know, you think it

(08:48:35):
might be the Holy Spirit when you're, you know, practicing
heresy, right? So, yeah, I totally get it.
So if I were you, that's how I would approach it.
And I've come to the conclusion,you know, I argued in praises
chat constantly against OSAS. I would get booted, you know,

(08:49:02):
get called a fucking Smokey eye,all this shit.
And it's like, no, dude, this islogically actually what I think.
Create a good argument. Don't just boot me out of the
room. But it came to the point to
where I was like, OK, you know, you got to let let it lie where
it is. You've given your effort and
they didn't accept it. And it sometimes it's tough, you

(08:49:27):
know, but that would be my only advice.
Well, I appreciate that, man. I really do.
I mean, and I think, I think youshould take some time to
meditate, man, really look back and say, OK, these are the
experiences I've had on Christianity.
These are the shitty people I'vemet.

(08:49:47):
These are the good people, you know, and really, really try to
go back to why you became a Christian, why you went from
atheism to Christianity. And, you know, I think you're
right, man. Atheism is despair.

(08:50:13):
It's you can see it in culture, you know, it's changing
definitions so that a baby becomes a clump of cells.
It moves us from our humanity and moves us into a, a mock
version. So yeah, do me a favor.

(08:50:39):
I've been, I've been a fan for along time.
I started listening to you when you were on modern day debate.
I've been around for the whole ride, man, through Ronnie,
through all that shit, you know what I'm saying?
And some of it was so funny. And sometimes I was like, Dang,
Smokey, that was harsh. But at the end of the day, I

(08:51:02):
knew what your intention was. You know, it was to train people
and to, you know, to stop thinking about stupid things.
And if somebody has, you know, within them just this just a
Shard of humility, they can takea step back and say, you know
what, man, I'll look into that. You know, or I've never

(08:51:22):
encountered that before or neverthought about that before.
And then, you know, you guys canmutually talk like people
instead of what happens sometimes.
But you know, part of it, man too, is that this started with
me just kind of hating the labelof Christian because of what

(08:51:43):
it's turned into. And it's really caused me to
have to also reassess the entirety of what this is even
filtered through into reality. And I am struggling with it.
I'm not. I mean, so this whole stream is
about because I don't. The thing is, I look at what
Christianity is and like, I at this point, I'm kind of looking
at it as just this big BLOB of everything, you know, the

(08:52:05):
Catholics and the Orthodox, the Protestants, the Mormons, the
Jehovah's Witnesses. It's just big, this big jumbled
nuts. And I look at it in its
entirety, you know, and I just, and I'm so fucking disgusted and
sick of it. I don't want to be a part of it
anymore. I don't want that label.

(08:52:27):
And then I started thinking about, well, what about these
justifications? What about these problems of
Christianity that I supposedly solved for myself so long ago?
It just LED me down a path of considering all this other shit,
you know, and, and, and next to philosophy, you know, you can

(08:52:47):
pretty much prove everything, you know, even some ridiculous
shit. So, you know, if you, if you, if
you stay too long in that headspace, you're bound to come
up with some kooky ideas. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't do
that, you know, and just know that there are normal good

(08:53:08):
people out there who are willingto listen and have good
conversation, have good times. I just think that right now
you've encountered just a group that's, you know, infuriating
and causes you to question things like there there are good
people in this community. UAI mean, I'm not denying that.

(08:53:33):
I'm just, it's just such a tiny minority and it's so seemingly
inconsistent and muddled and even even amongst these good
guys, like being able to like get like a meeting of the minds
or something on like intrinsic core doctrine, even that is

(08:53:53):
sometimes like pulling teeth. Even amongst these, you know
what I would classify as relatively good people?
And because there's just so muchFlack and everyone thinking they
got it perfectly right when theyusually know the least, it gets
frustrating, man. And you've watched people
through it. You were, I know you've followed
me since nearly the beginning. So I know you've seen me go

(08:54:14):
through all of it, you know? Yeah, I have.
I remember even your message to me, I didn't respond to it, but
I actually do remember. And I did read your message on
Patreon before I cancelled it. I did read it, you know, I
didn't remember what you said. I didn't respond to it.
But I do want to let you know I did read it, and I did take it
to heart. And I do remember exactly what
you said. And I remember you said you

(08:54:36):
didn't care one way or the other, just you cared about the
potency and what I had done and how you saw the spirit moving in
me. And the way that I, yeah, yeah.
Well, the, the way that I lookedat it is at that time, I didn't
have a lot of evidence that you guys later produced, you know,

(08:54:56):
but my, my mindset was always, you know, Jesus allows people to
repent for their sins. And if they truly repent, then
they're our brother or our sister.
You know, now you can find false, you know, false
conversions and people were falling off, but for the most

(08:55:18):
part, we're supposed to embrace them as brothers and sisters.
So what a lot of people were doing out there made no sense to
me. I, the way I looked at it is
either way, guilty, innocent. I saw in you that you're you had
extremely good intentions and I just let your actions speak for

(08:55:40):
yourself. So I just kind of threw that by
the wayside. I did still defend you, though.
I know you did, buddy. It's brazen shit.
I know you done. Yeah, but I just, it's, it's
some food for thought. You know what I'm saying?
Now look at this guy. Look at this.
Look at this guy real quick. By the way, here.
He has been running his mouth inmy side chat for 30 minutes.

(08:56:03):
He's going to say I'm bloke. Anyone who disagree, I block
people who disagree. Can you believe this shit?
Do you believe this dumb shit? No, no.
See, what I would say is he's a dumb ass and he's been running.
He's talking about better part of 30 minutes and he talks about
how he's being blocked for disagreement.
You believe this shit? Yeah.
He just doesn't know what he's talking about.

(08:56:23):
It's always been a free speech environment, stupid.
You know, the only time we blockis when you give the OK or when
someone's being really bad, likespamming the N word or, you
know, or yeah, when, when peoplesay stuff like that, to me, it
just reveals that they don't know.

(08:56:45):
You know, this is a part of the problem I brought up earlier.
You know, this fucking guy probably is actually going to
heaven as as awful and wretched and disgusting and stupid as he
is probably going to heaven because he's covered with common
grace. He's never going to have to
answer for any of this shit. He's too fucking retarded.
You know how fucking hard that is for me to bite that bullet

(08:57:06):
every fucking you know what I think you know?
Yeah, I know it's, it's tough, but you know how I look at it.
It's like, OK, he's saved by common grace.
So it's like when when he gets to heaven, he's going to get
that ZAP to his head and everything's going to make
sense. And then he's going to be left
with his plate, you know? So this is the type of dumb shit

(08:57:26):
I get like day in, day out all the time for like years, man.
I knew it does wear on you. I mean, I I almost kind of
understand why Sam Schuman has basically gone batshit crazy.
I mean, I he's had what I had even worse to even more potent
people with even more attention and more attacks.
I I understand why the guy's gone fucking nuts, frankly.

(08:57:49):
Well, yeah. I don't understand how you could
do this at a certain level and not go nuts, actually.
Right. That's exactly what I was going
to say. This is like the first time in
history this has been tested, You know?
Where? Where pastors and, and people of
teachers of Christ have these massive audiences and you know,

(08:58:10):
it's just a matter of statisticsthat what, 10% are just going to
hate you for no reason. So you're going to get that
hate. It's going to test your
fortitude, you know, so, but what I would do is just
disconnect, you know, take good criticism, but those people

(08:58:31):
there any, there isn't anything you can do that'll I mean, you
can give them your two cents, but you can't teach them
anything. They have to learn it on their
own somewhere else or from some other person.
I mean, I that doesn't say, you know, don't don't not give any
effort or anything, but oh shit,Tucker has me and so many people

(08:58:54):
blocked his channel right now. And here he is running his mouth
over here saying, saying he has free speech, but I don't.
And he has blocked me and prettymuch anyone that knows me for
asking questions and he talks about he has.
Do you see like like I see a comment like this and I'm like

(08:59:18):
this person truly believes what he just typed.
He he is so oblivious and lacking of all self-awareness
that he thinks what he just put here makes sense.
And I'm so I'm so blown away by the retardation that I actually
have to stop mid conversation tohighlight how comically in fact

(08:59:43):
this was actually such a retarded comment that I had to
go back and double check and make sure this was actually
Tucker commenting this and not some troll for trying to be like
just throwing shit inside chat 'cause it was such a ridiculous
retarded thing to say. That he who blocks everyone and

(09:00:04):
admitted it last night blocks mefor even asking a question.
Blocks anyone who has disagreement with his message.
While I have while he's been running his mouth in my side
chat for 30 minutes, but I'm theone that doesn't protect free
speech. I had to double check to make

(09:00:26):
sure that this is actually Tucker who is actually being
this retarded. That's amazing.
It is, dude, that's amazing. You know, for a long time there,
I didn't think people like that actually functioned in the
world. And then it was, it was crazy.
I, I was speaking with my dad and he told me something that

(09:00:48):
made sense. He's like Josh, when people go
to try to enroll in the military, they take their
Asbabs, right? Did you know that there's around
20% of the people that can't pass their ASBAB?
They can't, they can't get a jobin the military.
And the ASBAB is designed to appeal to people with like a 70

(09:01:11):
IQ. So basically what he was trying
to tell me is there's like 20% of the public is really dumb and
it, and it just kind of all madesense to me.
It's like when I'm driving down the road and I see stupid
drivers or Tucker's comment there.
It makes sense, man. It's like 2 out of 10 people.

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It's just a mathematical probability.
And I'm amazed at the level of, of dishonesty that will come out
of these people, man, these supposed believers.
Like, even when it's blatantly false on its face, like right in
front of people, like, and they'll still say it and it, and

(09:01:56):
it does irritate me because I'm like, what is happening?
Like, do we not have eyes or brains or ears or basic
reasoning skills to not notice that you're blatantly lying
right now? I I mean, and that gets
frustrated, that gets frustrated.
It has to be either delusion andreally, you know, really stupid

(09:02:18):
or they're doing it on purpose, you know, because they have, you
have a point that they can't getpast.
They'll run from it. They'll block people that ask
questions and when when, you know, when praise was doing that
and Ronnie and others, I knew right away I was like, OK,

(09:02:42):
you're running from the truth. I get it, you know, or either
that or you're just not smart enough to grapple with the
topic. Now, I I don't want to sound
like an arrogant asshole or anything.
You know, sometimes people are stupid and, and I am a believer
that as painful as it might be, but the people that are capable

(09:03:06):
in this world should, if they have the ability, lift up others
that aren't through no fault of their own.
Now, I'm not a Democrat or anything like that.
I believe that you should make your own life.
But I do believe that there are certain people out there who are
just incapable and it's up to people that are to help them.

(09:03:32):
Now that might be my naivety. I mean, you know, you A at the
end of the day, there's a lot ofyou guys just like you that
actually really do have good hearts and not the fault your
intention or your desire to wantto like, you know, at least at
some level demonstrate these things that you think are

(09:03:52):
virtuous in Scripture. That's great.
I and that's good for you. And you know what?
I'm thankful that people like you do exist in the world.
It's a neighbors game, Smokey, and it is.
And you have to, you have to, you have to do it or you're
we're going to get drowned out and crushed and yeah, people

(09:04:17):
have to do it. I mean, you just find the
strength, do whatever it takes. No, you guys are the better off
ones too, by the way. Like really, you know, you guys
that kind of do get the the opportunity and the benefit, I
think to really affect intrinsically and deeply these
people that are close to you andkind of just where God called

(09:04:39):
you. You get your own kind of special
little orbit. It's your, you know, immediate
friends, your coworkers, your family, your immediate family,
your extended family. There's just this circle around
you and you guys is there's so many of you out there that just
like that's as far as you reallyneed to go and you're you're
able to be happy with that. And well, it it's not, it's not

(09:05:03):
that it's not that it's you build that and then you slowly
build it out. It it too much too fast, you
know, at least for me, because it takes a lot of energy, takes
a lot of my power, especially and especially when you love

(09:05:24):
somebody there, you need dedication.
You know, it's not just a word, it's actions.
And there's only so much time inthe day.
You know, the, the one of the main things I, I did this is
because, and I think you've seen, I always wanted to give
credit to God for any of the benefit or good that ever came
out of the channel. And all I really wanted to do

(09:05:44):
was kind of take whatever, you know, talent I had or whatever
value I might have and just use it for, you know, the glory of
God or to defend the faith and stuff like that.
And I almost kind of anticipatedthat I would see some of that
Holy Spirit coming in and strengthening and bolstering.
But I don't know if I've seen that, man.
It's no, no. What happens, what happens,

(09:06:06):
Smokey, is this is at least whathappens to me if I go and preach
the gospel and I really do a good job after that I, you know,
suffer the consequences. You, you get attacked, you know,
bad shit happens that we so it'sa it really is a spiritual war.

(09:06:35):
So you have to create a good foundation to weather that.
Now, like you said, you know, I mean, it can always, this is all
anecdotal. It could be some chemical
reaction my brain is having to give me that feeling.
But when I look at culture and philosophy, you know, science,

(09:06:56):
the Bible, in my mind, it all kind of coalesces together into
this beautiful thing. I wish I saw it that way still,
man, I don't anymore. It's, it's, it's, it's
repetition, you know, like I, I'm, I was lucky because I, I

(09:07:23):
have three daughters, a wife, a decent job and I, you know,
made, I prayed with God, pray toGod for humility.

(09:07:46):
Because if I, if I take a step back and I look at what I have,
you know, there's a lot of people that won't find value in
it at all. But in my mind, you have the
opportunity to mold the future generation with your children.
You have the opportunity to change the things that you
thought were bad when you were being raised.

(09:08:08):
You have the opportunity to havelaughs, you know, good times,
bad times. And ultimately, man, I think
that's what it's about. It's about those relationships.
It's about the the family, your friends, and I think you have a

(09:08:32):
talent to pass that on to people.
I think you target a specific group of people, but I think you
do it really well. Thank you for I do appreciate
that. I just just don't let it, don't

(09:08:53):
let it get you down there. Seriously.
They're, they're just look, looktowards the future, you know,
you just got married, you know, man, it all just feels different
all of a sudden. It feels different more now than
it has in a very, very long time.
Like it hasn't felt like this ina hot minute.
And now it, it does, it just, itfeels different.
It, it, it leaves me in a state of wondering how, how much of my

(09:09:18):
epistemology or reasoning might have just been special pleading?
Was this just an emotional driveto accept this, or do I really
have actual good reason to believe this stuff?
You know, and at the end of the day, we all just trust our
personal epistemology. I mean, even the Catholics and
the Orthodox got to trust their personal epistemology to lead to
the idea that those religions are true, to end up following

(09:09:41):
those religions infallibly, You know, So at the end of the day,
we all are using our own personal epistemology, which
we're all supposedly personally accountable for.
Yeah, if I was blown down. Yeah.
And right now I just don't, I don't feel it anymore, man.
I don't feel it like I did. Like, where did the Holy Spirit

(09:10:01):
go? If this really was him, if the
Holy Spirit really has been withme, like doing some stuff and
and, you know, working the channel and working things out
for great or good and all this stuff, well, where where is he
in those moments? Where, like, you need that
little push or the extra validation or some sort of sign
or something or idea that you'reon the right path or you're

(09:10:24):
doing good or what. Because, I mean, we can all have
good fortune or bad fortune, butwe shouldn't start thinking that
the bad fortune is us being punished or the good fortune is
us being rewarded. Sometimes it just is, right?
It just is, right, Right. Sometimes it just works out that
way. Yeah.
And it's nothing supernatural. There's no reason why it
happened. So I mean, The thing is, even if

(09:10:45):
I got some sort of like, oh, look at this boost in viewership
or attention or this person or contact with this guy or
whatever, what's to say that's not just the natural flow of
coincidental circumstances that led to that happening where I'm
going to give credit to God, youknow?
Yeah, Yeah. It's like all the athletes you

(09:11:06):
always get in touchdowns for God, right?
All of them. Yeah.
Yeah, Every single one. Then they go back and screw, you
know, 10. Yeah, I totally get it, man.
But yeah, I mean, look at, look at how successful and happy many
of these free gracers are. You know, look at them because,

(09:11:27):
yeah, well, it's because they they're, they're happy in their
flesh because to them there's nothing they can do.
And they believe that it is God that bless them with all that
stuff, that all that stuff and all that success is all
validation and verification fromGod.
Just like Sam Shimon seeing the orbs on his, on his, you know,

(09:11:49):
his video and thinking that, youknow, Saints that are validating
his ministry and all. It's just, you know, it's all
just a different kind of fuckingconfirmation bias, you know?
I mean, even as being a Christian supposedly and
believing in the supernatural, Iknow Sam Shimon's orbs are
horseshit. Why can't he figure it out?
Yeah, I know. Sometimes we do get deceived.

(09:12:15):
This is a smart guy. Sam Shimon's no fucking idiot,
ladies and gentlemen. It actually used to be an
encyclopedia, man. Oh, like really is still a the
Assyrian encyclopedia research, you know, and and this guy is
no, no dumblet, but he's gettingconfused and muddled up with,

(09:12:37):
with, you know, artifacts on hisvideos and basically just
floating dust particles, really,truth be told.
Well, look, I'm, you know, I'm getting up there in age and your
body breaks down, you know, you start forgetting shit, you know,
you're not as coordinated as youused to be.
So my advice to everyone listening is get it from
ourselves, right? Get it while you can, you know

(09:13:00):
what I'm saying? Because eventually, eventually
you're going to be old and wish you would have done stuff.
So yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
It's you know, I there, I think every person's fallible and we
shouldn't, you know, 100% followanybody except Christ, Amen.

(09:13:23):
Always, always kind of have thattentative grasp.
But you know, we can recognize good people when we see them.
So, you know, embrace those people, invite them into your
circle and those dumblings I got, you know, if I was if

(09:13:43):
Christian, Here's the thing. If Christianity is true, I can't
be a part of it right now anyway.
It's just, there's just no, there's no, there's no way I can
pull in Isaac and completely deny the core fundamental, I
would say believer in the Bible and claim to be a believer.

(09:14:06):
I, I, I can't do that. I, I have, I have been, How long
has it been since you went to church?
That's been a couple weeks. I don't I don't get a lot of
feeding from the type of sermonsthat are for the common man.

(09:14:28):
You know, you know what I mean. I do so even in terms of a habit
of like where you might almost expect well have some communion
recharge your batteries type thing.
I, you know, honestly, over, over the years, it's gotten more

(09:14:48):
and more cold to me. I just, I don't even, you know,
I don't want to, I don't even want to talk to those people
really. Honestly, dude, like I don't
want to answer questions about what I believe or, you know, or,
or have these debates in the in the, you know, foyer of the
church about whether you can lose your salvation or not.

(09:15:09):
I just don't want to do it. Like I just, I've gotten to the
point where I'm so kind of like where maybe like before this I
was disgusted by certain like just in general, like fake
Christians or certain denominations or certain cults
or something. But you know, particularly over
the last week, couple weeks, whatever, just series of stuff,

(09:15:33):
I've just started to become disgusted with all of it.
I used to be just the fakes and now I just don't want to be
associated with any of it. I'm sick of it.
It's disgusting, it's gross. These people are fucking
wretched. I mean I see I see more virtue
in some Satanist communities than I do in this bullshit.

(09:15:53):
This so-called online Christian community that I've seen I, I
see more virtue in, in Satanist and Muslim circles than here
just for sure. I, I know exactly what you're
talking about and it's the holier than thou, you know,
attitude is what, what I don't appreciate.

(09:16:14):
Well, it's even just the self righteousness.
Like, you know, I don't dislike Dashton.
I don't, I don't agree with them.
I think I've been pretty clear on that.
But I don't dislike Dashton. I don't think Dashton should be
tossed out because he has thingsthat people's eyes are offended
by or, you know, with Jesus and what, I don't know what he's

(09:16:34):
done some sort of wooden pentagram thing.
I mean, I don't care, Dastian. Dastian's mind is not
predicating some super evil thing on this thing up there.
You're just predicating that on it for him and then condemning
him for it. And because your self
righteousness is so great and soawesome, you know that it just
has to overpower everything around you so everyone can see

(09:16:57):
how holy you are while you're trying to just shut someone out
from even being able to interactor ask questions or stick around
and listen, whatever it is that Dashton maybe needs, you know,
he found himself here and all you guys want to do is condemn
me 'cause there's, you know, images you don't like or words
he says you don't like. I mean, you know, this is, this

(09:17:20):
is Christian virtue, You know, the, the fucking Pharisees, they
condemn Jesus for hanging out with the tax collectors and the
sinners. And then I want to hang out and,
and open the door to people who are tax collectors and sinners.
And I get the same condemnation from these so-called believers.
Oh, look at you hanging out withthe, the psychic Vampire Slayer

(09:17:45):
guy and his New Agey stuff. And he's just so evil.
Daston's not evil. Okay, Dashedon might be a lot of
things, but let me be real clear, I'm real confident.
Dashedon ain't evil. He might be confused, he might
be in his own world. But I'm going to tell you
something. Dashedon ain't evil.
And if you really think Dashedonevil, you know what, man?

(09:18:07):
Check yourself, Dashedon. Dashton isn't aware enough to be
evil. OK, Legit.
I love you, buddy. I'm not.
I'm not in. I'm just telling you, you know,
like the the amount of attacks that have happened to you,
Dashton, are undeserved. You'll you'll always be welcome
here. You're always welcome to come
and listen and learn and ask questions.

(09:18:30):
You'll you'll always have a spothere, buddy.
And I know that some level you probably just need a little bit
of person to person contact and that's why you do stuff like
this. And I just want you to know,
Dashton, I love you. You'll always be welcome.
No one's going to leverage theirbullshit, fake nonsense morals

(09:18:50):
to try and kick you out or shun you or anything like that.
I want you to be around to listen and ask questions and
glean some bit of truth. So I don't mean any of this to
shame you or attack you. I hope you know I love you and
and it's all, it's all OK. You're welcome to stick around
as much as you want, see. And I got to say shit like that.
Why is that such a fight, by theway, with so-called believers to

(09:19:14):
like just convince believers that they should just support a
little bit of virtue and graciousness and I'll get, you
know, I can't fucking win. I'll get condemned for doing,
you know, the gracious thing. And I'll get condemned when I'm
too harsh. And it just will never fucking
matter, by the way. Yeah, I know, I know.

(09:19:34):
I went, I, I was, I was really lucky when I was, I think I was
14, my stepdad became a a memberof this church and they started
this facility downtown where I live.
It was called the Upper Room. And essentially what it was is

(09:19:57):
it was kind of like a bar that didn't serve alcohol.
They had pool tables, you know, foosball, live music, and they
would invite everybody from off the street.
So you're looking at, you know, drug addicts, homeless people,
prostitutes. And they would come in and the

(09:20:17):
only requirement, they could have free soda, play free games,
but they had to listen to the sermon after the music.
So when I was young, I got exposed to, you know, the that
type of that type of person, youknow, the way that they live.

(09:20:38):
And all I can say is is that themajority of people want the same
thing. You know, they want to be loved
and taken care of now, taken care of there, there.
There isn't a large percentage of people out there who are

(09:21:00):
vicious, thankfully. So I think that Christians
should embrace everybody as theyare.
And all we can do is try to say with humility what we believe

(09:21:22):
and why, you know, and it goes back to what I was saying about
if you're, if you find yourself in a position to lift people up,
you should, especially the ones that can't lift themselves up.
But it's not, it's not. That's why I don't show my face
online. I don't want, I don't expect any
recognition. That's not the point.

(09:21:44):
The point is, is to actually impact people on a person to
person basis, right? You know, I, I told a story
earlier today, I don't know if you caught it, but it was about
me golfing yesterday and a guy, he was a noob and he was kind of
like insulted by the last guy, you know, that they tried to

(09:22:05):
pair him up with in the previouscourse.
He kind of was almost expecting that I would probably be the
same way. And he was kind of like shy.
And I mean, he's a nice guy. He was kind of like shy and
like, he's kind of new to the sport and doesn't want to like
slow anyone down or stuff and isn't really confident.
And, you know, the last guy he was with told him, yeah, you
should just play for yourself. I don't want to play with you
'cause you're slowed me down stuff.

(09:22:26):
And, and I didn't treat him likethat.
I didn't treat him like that. I said, no, we're going to play
together and I'll give you pointers and tips.
And, and he had probably the best golf game yet that he ever
had, you know, and all I had to do was show him a little bit of
kindness, really. And you know, The funny thing
is, and I mentioned this earlier, we're out there and

(09:22:47):
we're golfing and, you know, just chumming around and talking
about golf in general and life and jobs and past and just
things that like 2 guys would chat about, you know, and, and I
had the thought to myself, I thought, you know, should I
mention Jesus to him? Should I share the gospel?
Should I ask him what he believes?
I almost did. And I stopped myself.

(09:23:07):
I said, you know what? No, I don't want to ruin this
nice day. That's what I thought to myself,
I'm not shitting you. That's not now.
That's now what I bring to associate talking about Jesus
with a bad fucking day. That's that's not where it's
gotten in my brain. Look, look, I've I've been in
the same position, you know, andit's like, I do think that

(09:23:30):
timing is, does play a role. You know, if you just go out
there and blatantly scream all the time, you know you'll be
successful, but there might be people that you know you're not
successful with that you could have been if you would have been
a little more intelligent with your timing.
You know, there's, I've met so many people that have said I

(09:23:53):
hate Bible thumpers. You know, when when somebody
says that you don't just want toimmediately start preaching the
gospel, you know that's not it. It might come from good
intentions, but your success rate goes way down.
Yeah. So maybe that's what you were
feeling, Smokey. Maybe that's what you're

(09:24:16):
feeling. Maybe could be just maybe the
spirit told you, maybe not now and just kind of inspired you
not to say anything for that time.
Who is this fucking? Who is this pee motherfucker
inside you? Dude, you act like you know me

(09:24:37):
or something like who are you like you're calling me retarded
and all this here P you're goingto get an ultimatum at this
point. You've been throwing a little
too too much shit at me during this stream.
I've been watching it. I've been kind of glancing to
the side. You keep throwing this fucking
garbage over here. Your mods P is an ultimatum

(09:25:00):
material. Well, I don't know you.
I don't know who the fuck you are.
So, so I'll tell you what it's it's about time you click on the
link since you got a big fuckingmouth over there in side chat.
So you can click on the link andtell me who you are, bring your
bullshit, see if you can defend a damn thing you you have to say

(09:25:20):
or you can just piss on off for the night.
Yeah, you don't need to clog up my side chat with your spamming
bullshit and throwing garbage atme that you're not willing to
back up. It's ultimatum time if P doesn't
click on the link in the next what is this 841, I don't know 3
minutes P you can click on the link in the next 3 minutes or my

(09:25:43):
mods are going to start time time them out until tomorrow.
I'm not going to even stream tomorrow time them out for 24
hours. If he doesn't click on the link
and come in the room in the next3 minutes 844 my time you guys
click on the link time them out.That was a good.
No, no, that was a good segue, man.
I, I've got to eat something andthen go to bed.

(09:26:05):
I yeah, I I, I appreciate you coming in and wanting to have a
chat, man. I'm working through this, but
I'm, I'm pissed off and I'm sickof Christianity.
I'm sick of Christian. We have an emergency situation.
Meet me on the news unit ASAP ifyou would, please.
OK. All right, I'll OK you a thank
you, buddy. You take care.
You have yourself a very, very lovely evening.

(09:26:28):
You too. And yeah, go ahead.
Just just do me a favor, man. Just look towards the future of
the things that you want to do, like having a child.
You know, you're married now. And all I can say is don't
abandoned the faith. You'll regret it in the long

(09:26:52):
run. I I do appreciate the sentiment
buddy. I do.
I'm just, I'm just burned out, man.
And I don't know if it will change.
I don't know if it's going to stick like this.
I don't know if I'm going to work through it.
I don't know if I'm going to digin.
I guess we're just going to haveto talk to see.
I appreciate your input, man. You've, I've always respected

(09:27:15):
you as a sharp guy and I know you always basement dweller.
Basement dweller can put together a highlight of all of
the edifying things you've said in all your streams and then you
can watch. That's about the type of content
he usually compiles. No, I know.
I'm just saying he's probably, he probably has access to all of

(09:27:37):
it as well. Either him or Boki.
Either him or Boki. Yeah.
I need to get Boki access to thearchive.
Actually, now that you mentionedit now, yeah, I think going back
over some of the things because,you know, we forget shit as we
get older and we get enthralled and focused on what's in front
of us rather than kind of looking, taking the whole thing

(09:27:58):
in. And I think if you actually, you
know, go through your exploits alittle bit and say, you know
what, this I, this is when the the Holy Spirit was working.
I think you'll see it. I'm actually quite sure of it,
man. I got you.
I do. Look, I do appreciate all your

(09:28:21):
hard work, man. I've said it many times, it's
tough to do what you do. So yeah, I just appreciate it,
man. I appreciate you, man.
And I and I appreciate the sentiment.
I really do. Yeah.
All, all of the cone club cult. You will basement.
What's the take away? Chris, Keith, all those guys,

(09:28:46):
you guys are all great. Forget Guru.
She'll be mad if you forget Gurulady.
Yes, of course, Guru lady. She is the sweetest lady.
And Lena, Lena popped up today too.
So Lena's around as well. Lena Lena took a little break
for a while. Gavin, Gavin Herliman came
around again too. I've been seeing Oh my gosh,

(09:29:07):
Gavin, You know what? I I had this feeling and I was
totally off, but I thought that dude and praise, we're going to
have like the praise and Gavin experience, you know, but that
that never did happen. But yeah, it's, you know, it's
been 1 hell of a ride, man. It has ultimately you should be

(09:29:31):
proud, dude. You really should.
You you might not know it, but there's a lot of people out
there that you've helped inspire, convince shame into
submission. You've you've accomplished a
lot. Yeah, amazing thing is you don't

(09:29:52):
see that. And, and even if that was true,
which I guess in some level likea Christian man could rejoice
over and say is great, is that God can use even a hellbound
demon to some good indeed, you know, but you know, even yeah,
that's true. That is very true.
So I mean, I don't necessarily think use of me, let alone

(09:30:17):
anyone is necessarily a a sign. I mean, some people get led to
the truth in the most elaborate and ridiculous of ways.
It doesn't mean the people that did it are necessarily saved.
But I got to work all this shit out.
I got to think about it. I'm just I am going to take a
break. I don't know how long, but I'm
going to step away from all thisshit for a minute and try and

(09:30:38):
work my mind. I'm not about turning this into
some big grand drawn out displayor anything like that or a big
drama thing. I I thought it was important to
do this stream to at least get it out there to be honest with
you guys with where I'm at, you know, like if you're not, you
know, really know where I went or disappeared to or what's
going on. I figured this was probably the

(09:31:00):
best way to do it, just come outand be honest about it and put
it out there and let you guys deal with it as you want.
But you know, I mean, I am in a state where I am reassessing all
of this shit and I appreciate the sentiment.
I do. It's not necessarily going to
change me or necessarily alter alot of this, but nonetheless, I

(09:31:23):
appreciate the show of concern to at least, you know, show up
and present it and and put it out there.
And, you know, I love you. You A you're a good guy.
You've always been a good guy. And you supported me for a hot
minute. We didn't always agree on
everything, but you've always been a great guy and a good
supporter. So, you know.
Yeah. Well, yeah, of course, man.

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I mean, what I was going to say is that my, my real father is an
atheist. He's been an atheist my whole
life. So I know exactly what you're
saying because he said the same thing.

(09:32:05):
I mean, except he's never believed.
So, you know, a lot of our conversations are me trying to
convince him and him, you know, trying to convince me that, you
know, God isn't real. So I, I do want you to know that
I genuinely relate to what you're experiencing.

(09:32:27):
You know, I've had some of the same thoughts, but you, you have
to do me one solid and really meditate on it, man.
Really. Dive deep, you know?
Not publicly. Yeah.
With you, your wife. Yeah.

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But I wish you the best, man. And you should, yeah, you should
keep posting, man. Keep posting, you know,
communicate. I will.
See. I I need to.
I need to figure out what the hell I'm even doing.
Honestly. Really.
Yeah, Well, it's not for me. For the sake of basement
dweller. I mean, what's that guy?

(09:33:15):
Yeah. About the truth.
Yeah, right. He'll he'll die of being starved
out of memes if I don't. Yeah.
Keep selling the ideas out there.
Yeah. No, he's awesome.
No, I appreciate it, man. God bless you.
God bless your family. I guess.
Assuming he exists. I know you believe he does.
So, you know, if he does, God bless you and your family.

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You've always had a special place in my heart, Buddy.
And I I do appreciate you comingin for the chat.
You took some time out of your busy day to come and talk with
me. And I that does mean a bit to
me. So thank you for that.
I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, man.
You you take it easy, man. You too, buddy.
You have a good night. You have a good night, too.
Awesome. Later.

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All right. Take care, man.
East Max. Are you there, buddy?
I don't know if he's. I've been here all day, man.
Beautiful. No, I know you have, man.
You've been a trooper. Hey, do you mind kind of filling
air here with dashing for a minute while I go see what Dave
wanted? Oh, man, that's the easiest
thing I've been asked to do all day.
Appreciate you, buddy. Thank you so much.

(09:34:17):
I appreciate you, gentlemen. Well, Will Freeman, I think me
and Will Freeman are getting married now.
So I don't know who we're going to get the DJ at our wedding,
but Will Freeman and I are in love.

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Who else? Let's see here.
Garu lady. You could be the ring bearer, I
guess. Pseudonym.
You can officiate the wedding. Oh, Sophia.
OK, OK. OK, you know what?
I I'll back off. Yeah.

(09:35:03):
You know what? I actually like sleeping on the
left side because I often get upto go pee in the middle of the
night a lot, actually. So that's fair.
Let's see. Wait, I thought the news unit
was going live for an emergency.What happened to that?

(09:35:26):
Oh OK, so this is breaking news.The pod team declares war on the
news unit. I'm here for it.
I'll participate in that. It'll be hard for me to pick
sides. Actually it's not.
I'm team news unit. So yeah, the the P arc was

(09:35:53):
pretty interesting. Unfortunately he was too shy to
speak his shit live, which is a bitch move.
So Boo pee. I know he's still watching.
I think I know exactly who he is, but I'm not going to say
that here. I don't really know for sure.
Pretty confident though. I'd be willing to bet $50 on who
Pee is. Oh that's a good question Garu

(09:36:19):
lady. I'm really into rap and metal
the most, but my playlist is pretty bipolar actually.
I'll go from listening to pop tolike death metal.
And what do you mean pseudonym? What do you mean what problem?

(09:36:43):
The problem that Smokey's havingor.
I think Wolves at the Gate I I had think I have listened to a
few of their songs, but I can't recall off the top of my head.
I'm sure if I listen to them right now it'd make more sense.
Yeah, I would say that country is probably my least favorite,

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but I will go crazy for some Johnny Cash no doubt.
Especially at a bar. Oh yeah, I'll do some Cash
karaoke. Yeah, my favorite Christian

(09:37:35):
metal core band is actually Haste the Day.
I got to see them live like 3 times.
It was great. Haste the Day, unfortunately
they're not really together anymore, but they did drop a new
song what last year maybe. They're really great.
You really? Well, I guess if you really paid

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attention to the lyrics, you would understand that they're
Christian, but otherwise you really wouldn't.
So they're really great. I was really into As I Lay Dying
until I found out that the lead singer tried to plot a murder
for his wife, which goes to the show.
What Smokey is saying that Christians aren't really the

(09:38:18):
greatest people in the world. So, you know, the leader of a
Christian band trying to get hiswife killed.
So, you know, that's not really cool.
Maddie Mullins is good. Yeah, absolutely.
He did a song with someone recently.

(09:38:39):
I forgot who it was, but he's featured in a lot of songs,
actually. Yeah.
Maddie Mullins is goaded now. I've actually been here all day.
Pseudonym, if you're talking about me, literally the whole 9

(09:38:59):
hours I've been here, it's my day off.
Actually was on the news unit with Fro and Ryan earlier.
So yeah, my whole day dedicated to this has been, it's been good
actually. A lot of food for thought, a lot
of good conversations. The side chat has been amazing
today. So I don't accept side chat

(09:39:20):
slander. Oh, I didn't know that, Andrew.
That's news to me. I like that, though.
That's interesting. Georgia Lynch's daughter.

(09:39:47):
You know, I knew someone who went to to art school with why
am I struggling to remember his name?
Jared Leto. Believe it or not, I knew
someone that went to school withhim.
Although I I don't know if he claims Christian or not, but I

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know a lot of people. A lot of people.
I do kind of wish P had the balls to come in here and
challenge me live though. But we all know Internet trolls
don't really have a set of colonies.

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I think Will Freeman should comein because I think Dashing is
AFK. Oh, that's nice, Andrew.

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I had no idea. Yeah, I've been kind of out of
the music zeitgeist recently, trying to catch back up.
It's been a lot of new music that dropped recently that's
really good. I know everyone's kind of

(09:41:12):
focused on AI music right now, but there's been a lot of good
actual bands dropping music and artists dropping music, which
makes me wonder how many of themare using AI.
Oh well, he's AFK right now, Jared.
I'm sure he'll see it when he comes back.

(09:41:33):
I don't have any powers here, soI can't really bring you in.
One thing that I did get to see earlier is that Garu lady has a
really nice Minecraft farm. Yeah, well, if you go read the

(09:42:07):
the news units title, you'll kind of understand what's going
on. Yeah.
You won't see me claim the labelChristian beyond a piece of
paper. I mean, I do follow Christ, that
I do believe Christ is king, butI kind of went through my whole
issue that smoke is going through a few years back.

(09:42:30):
I was a big part of a church andI got to see behind the curtain
and I was very sickened by what I got to see.
So yeah, Christians can be very,very demonic, unfortunately, and
they will justify their demonic behavior through Scripture,

(09:42:52):
which is very ironic. I'm not here to condemn anyone
though, so that's not my job. My job is to help everyone.
Then I can. You know, as much as I condemn
Muslims for beheading people, there's a lot of Christians that
should be beheaded though, unfortunately.

(09:43:16):
I don't agree with that though. I think everyone deserves the
right to life, even if it's a fucked up life.
Hey man, I'm just feeling air here.
I don't know. If somebody wants to talk about
something, go for it. Oh hey dashing, I don't support.

(09:43:41):
I'm about like 6 beers deep too guys.
So like, give me a little bit ofgrace here.
I don't ever drink, but I decided today was worth it.
No, you're right, Jared. No.
No one deserves it. No one deserves it.
I think, though, by their own doctrine, they would.

(09:44:04):
Yeah, never mind. The point that I was trying to
make is there a lot of evil people in this world that will
do everything to convince everyone they're not evil?
That's the point. But you're right, I'm actually
pro-life in all aspects. Hey Andrew, I love the

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Australian people. My Siri on my phone is
Australian. I go crazy for an Australian
accent. I mean, truth be told Andrew,
we're all evil. Just some of us don't want to
admit it. I've been evil in my life at

(09:45:03):
periods and time, absolutely. But it makes me feel bad and
that's the difference. Some people feel bad about being
evil, some don't. There are times I lash out in
the tongue for sure. So dashing, are you?
Yes, I do. Wait, what for Jelly being a

(09:45:28):
Jelly Belly, Mine is all the ranch.
Look at it, look it up. All the ranchers.
Hell in veins. All right, I'm going to look up
some scripture that might be a good idea.
I mean, when I say look it up, Imean pull it up on my end.

(09:45:49):
Actually, you know what? I think there's been enough
scripture said in this stream today.
We don't need any more. It's not helping anyone.
You know what they say, Andrew. The highway to hell is paved
with a good intentions. Everyone has good intentions,

(09:46:11):
right? No one wants to admit that
they're behind. Good intentions, bad intentions,
good intentions, bad hot potato to potato, hot potato with whole
blah blah. You know, let's let's take this
series of Dexter as an example. Dexter believes he has good

(09:46:32):
intentions, yet he's still out there on the Live in people.
So I have logical intentions. Well, Sudo, what do you want to
talk about? You know, I'm kind of just
filling some space here. I don't really.
I didn't plan for this at all. That's all good.
East Max. I appreciate you, buddy.
Thank you for filling in. Yeah, I got you.

(09:46:54):
So we are going to end up going over to the new.
I was trying to get my friend onhere.
His name is Nell Atwater. This is not a funny name.
OK, Thank you, Dashton. So we're going to get like he's
a Bible style here. But I'll, I'll, I'll let you
know when I get out of Dashton. Hold on, buddy, hold on, hold
on. So we're going to we're going to

(09:47:15):
head on over to the new unit. I'm going to whoa, hold on.
OK, hold on. I'm going to get you guys the
link. Dave is live right now.
I'm going to go over there and we're going to continue this
show. So I'm going to go ahead and
shut it down on this side dark. Danny, welcome.
I'm not sure it's me, Sparkle. Oh, OK.

(09:47:37):
Oh, fuck. Would you stop doing that?
Can you just see one thing, you know, and so I know who you are.
I mean, it's with all the different things, for God's
sake. OK, guys, inside chat over
there. I just posted the link.
Dave is live right now. I'm going to head over there
right now. So we're going to shut it down
and that's where we'll end up continuing to show.

(09:47:59):
Eastmax, thank you for hanging out, man.
You were a trooper all day. Dashton, thank you for being
here as well. Sparkle, of course, always a
pleasure head on over there and we'll pick up the show fresh.
But I do appreciate you guys sticking it out and being a part
of this today and going through the process with me.
And I do appreciate all the contribution.
And you too, Eastmax, thank you for what you had to contribute

(09:48:21):
and say as well. Yeah, no problem man Anytime.
So I'll catch you guys over there.
I'll be over there in a few minutes.
The link I just posted in the side chat there.
So click on that and you guys can head over and I'll see you
over there. And apparently, just so you guys
know, we are at war again. Well, I mean, I'm not, I don't
give a shit. I'm not in Christianity to be at

(09:48:43):
war with anything in Christianity.
But apparently the pod team has,as I guess fairly enough to
easily to predict declared spiritual war on me and Dave and
everyone else. And there's things we need to
repent of. And you know, I don't give a
shit. I honestly, at this point, I'm
couched out of all that fucking garbage.

(09:49:04):
Oh, some Christian on the internet's telling me I need to
repent. A free gracer of all fucking
things is telling me I need to repent of something.
Oh, fuck off. I, I, I don't, I don't need this
condescending bullshit. But head on over to Dave's.
I'll meet you guys over there. We're going to shut this thing
down. Thank you, Sparkle.
Thank you, Dash. And I want to move you guys out.
You guys want to join again, head on over to Dave's the news

(09:49:28):
unit. Oh my God.
Wow. OK, so thank you, guys.
Thank you for being here. Posted the link in the side chat
right there. Go ahead and click on it.
You can go on over to Dave's andwe'll pick up the show from
there. And we will continue it.
But thank you for being a part of this.
Thank you for understanding, I guess as best as you can with
all this shit that's been going on and all the nonsense.

(09:49:51):
We'll see where this ends. I don't know how much energy I'm
going to put into this in the next day or week or whatever.
But you know, frankly, I am sickof this bullshit.
I'm sick of Christianity. I'm sick of the nonsense, and
it's leading me to be just sick of the Christian God.
Frankly. It's kind of where I'm at.

(09:50:11):
I guess I'll say to repeat something that went out a little
earlier today to some very important people, which I do
still mean as much as it's manifested the way it's
manifested. And I told you guys to trust the
process. I didn't know what else to say
to you at this point other than that.
But if you know me and you followed me for a hot minute, I

(09:50:32):
figured you'd get it. You'd get what I'm talking
about. And this is just something that
needs to happen apparently. And I don't know where this is
going to go or how this is goingto end out, but I know that I
don't want to continue like thiswith these fucking people, with
this nonsense. These people are fakes and

(09:50:53):
frauds. It's all ridiculous.
And what am I? I just at some level I'm almost
even selling out certain virtuesfor supposedly other virtues and
I guess we'll just have to see. But anyway, link is there in the
side chat. You guys can follow me over
there. We're going to go to the news
unit and start going through some stuff.
I got to head out and pick up mylovely wife.

(09:51:16):
I'm here in a minute and then wewill take it from there.
So head on over to Dave's. I will see you guys over there.
I really appreciate it. I'm not even going to say the
thing I normally say. I've always ended the show same
peace of Christ, all the true Saints, but whatever, man, I
don't even I don't even know about any of this anymore.

(09:51:36):
Honestly, I'm done. I'm going to head over to Dave's
and we'll find out what fresh doses of hellish, hateful
condemnation we've gotten on topof everything else for the day.
It's good spiritual insight, right?
That's good. Holy Spirit inspiration to, you
know, lay this on top right now.The free gracers want me to
repent of shit. I mean, that's that's fucking

(09:51:58):
that's amazing, isn't it? Whatever, man.
All right, guys, I'll see you over there.
Appreciate you. Thank you for watching.
Thank you for being a part of the show today.
I will see you when I see you. Take care guys.