July 24, 2022 • 53 mins
On November 15, 1966, two young couples from Point Pleasant, Mr. and Mrs. Roger Scarberry and Mr. and Mrs. Steve Mallette, were driving through the TNT area in their Scarberrys' 1957 Chevy, when they noticed two big red eyes looking back at them from the darkness. Was it Mothman or something more simple?
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We ain't understand even the podcast isAfraid. Welcome to even the podcast It's
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Afraid. I'm Jared, and I'mhere with Nick and Sam as we continue
our series on the mysterious Crypted mothMan. And I decided to get a
new light bulb and keep it reallybright to attract the moths. Of course,
Well, so I was telling Nick. I was telling Nick and Jared
because we were talking about like collectiblesand all this stuff, and um,
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I have started collecting like the squishables, like plushy things. While now they
came out with a Mothman one andit looks freaking sweet, and I wanted
so they need a Grimace one?They do? They probably do. I'm
pretty sure if you look on Amazon, they probably have one. You know
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What's funny? And then we startedtalking about like I've done got back into
trading card games again, and nowI've done started collecting Meta Zoo. And
it's funny because Sam ordered a Mothmansquishable and I ordered a Mothman trading card.
What are the odds I've got astream deck. It has nothing to
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do with Mothman. Hey, wellyou could what I mean, what do
Mothman like noises sound like, well, we could always you could always wake
up MT. I think probably likean owl. Yeah, maybe, well
that's a pigeon. Maybe that isWhy do you always get every bird mixed
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up with a pigeon? That's justthree years I've known you, Nick,
and you've always got your bird.Every bird sounds like a fucking pig.
That's the only bird noise that couldHow do you you can't go? Who?
I guess I could do crow well, obviously if you're listening to us,
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links for all of that in theshow notes, there you go, all
right. I wanted to keep thatbrief simple so we could get back into
the month. Man. Yes,I don't know. There we go confusing
a moth with a bird. Thistime that's a noise box. Make right,
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all right, everybody, get readyquench your buttholes, because here we
go clinched. When we last leftoff, we discussed auditory perceptual illusions that
are not as uncommon as one mightthink. In fact, up to ten
percent of the general population have hadthe experience of hearing one's name called,
especially during the twilight times of fallingasleep or waking up. And I'm not
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even gonna try to read the doctorthat would have a medical term or hip
a pumpick hits I got probably wrong. Is the fear of hippos, Yes,
the fear of hippos. So wehave we have this commercial in Canada
at least when we were younger,and it was about, um, don't
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believe everything you see on TV.This is like pre internet days, right,
And it was a fake like Naturedocumentary on the house hippo. It's
like house hippos can be found inthe thing or whatever. Right, It's
like a short like twenty second thing. And then it's like, don't believe
everything you see on TV or hip. It's not it's not not real.
It's not real. But Elijah's mombought like a hippo beanie baby, and
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now we have in our house.We have a house hippo. Now you
have a house hippo. Yep,I'm so lost right now, Jared.
There are such things as house hippos, Nick hasn't. Yeah. People with
schizophrenia can hear a variety of noisesand voices, which often get louder,
meaner, and more persuasive over time, like fucking house hippos. Apparent.
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Yes, I'm glad I have spreadour Canadian listeners. I remember I was
at Bows. So a few examplesof the type of sounds that might be
heard. We mentioned this in partone. We're kind of rehashing for anybody
that decided to skip or want orjust give you an update of where we
were. As most people do,they just go to Part two. Some
dude, believe it or not,that's so weird, Hey it happened.
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Repetitive screeching sounds suggestive of rats,painfully loud thumping music, themes, voices,
of people whispering or yelling me inorders or comments, people talking about
you as if you were not evenfucking present, and that might be a
sound they may hear, could besuck. I mean that, Okay,
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it's not, but after a whilewe get pretty annoying. It's really annoying
the sound of multiple orgasms all thetime. I hope that'd be annoying.
Okay, you know what you're tellingme that you would want to listen to
that twenty four seven? No,you know what I had in university exactly.
Girlfriend was very vocal, so verylike I could hear but imagine that
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vocal twenty four seven Nick, Andwhen they were done, I would clap.
I feel like, that's just soweird though, like he knew that
you were in the room, youknow, well I was a different room
in a different that's a different podcast. Yeah, podcast your sex life.
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Oh gosh, we have kids,so it barely exists. I don't so
cheers to that. So. Anotherversion of this phenomenon are the Morse code
like beeps that blast out of carradio's telephones and TV sets when UFOs are
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active. Keep in mind that themajority of reported UFOs have logical explanations.
If there is an issue that iscausing what may appear to be a UFO,
that would likely set off electronic devicesas well. And also we can
go back to the number stations asa possible explanation. Funny, I was
listening to UM because after I finishedstreaming on Twitch, usually like just kind
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of go through like a little bitof video, just make sure audio is
fine or whatever, right, andthen Jack probably should do that before I
stream, but I do it afterI stream. UM. But I was
listening and I heard like a littleremember the old interference you'd hear when you
like in your old flip phones whenyou'd get a text. I heard that.
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I'm like, what the hell,it's random, So I naturally assumed
moth Man, Oh yeah, ofcourse it's the only logical explanation. Moth
Band was watching my stream. SoI'm just gonna point out, regardless of
how much we debunk anything UFO,I believe. Oh no, I mean
I agree, Yeah, yeah,they're out there or you're already. Have
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you seen them though, with yourMark Zuckerberg, I don't need to see
to believe. Yeah, look atmy shirt. People watching the TV show
don't talk to the strangers, though, look at my shirt. New Orleans
Saints don't talk to them either.Probably shouldn't because the aliens, yes,
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each and every one of them.Kill discusses a lot of supposed men in
black accounts. At the start ofthe book, he says he himself received
ominous threats for mysterious men. Heclaimed that he was warned to not finish
writing the Mothman prophecies. Now,let me let me go back to that
again, almost at a brain fart, like what's his name? From fucking
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um the forty year old Virgin?Or what was it? The is it?
Waterboy? Dude? What the fuckis that movie? I hate when
I have moments like this, oryour brains like I don't want you to
know, but you do know,you know I hate yeah, No,
I hate that. Yeah, Ican't think of the movie Bruce almighty.
Oh yeah. But anyways, goback and let me just read this again.
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He says he himself received ominous threatsfrom mysterious men. What kind of
threats worth these? Probably the YouTubecomments section, what willies? Is that?
What they say in the YouTube commentssection? Give you what willies?
They may they may say what willies? This podcast sucks. I give you
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willie. You know what, Ihave received some of those comments that we
suck. Oh well, you knowthat's they're not wrong. I just want
to let those people know we sleepjust fine. Oh yeah. And the
thing is is that we know wesuck, but you know it's just you
pointing that out. I don't literallysuck. I just suck. I mean
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I have a drink of a straw. Well I do both. So there
you go. It is turning intothat kind of podcast. They were canceled,
We're canceled, goodbye. The firstprinting of the book is listed as
nineteen seventy six, So how exactlywould advance notice be getting out about a
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book he's working on. Just plainold weirdness and most likely self promotion.
If you tell people that this isthe book they don't want you to read,
well right, there is your legendbuilding outcome. Everyone will want to
read it. Please refer to ourseries on Men and Black for more details
on this bullshit. To think ofevery clickbait article you can think of,
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and it's just like Secrets of theCasino. They don't want you to know,
like stuff like that, and it'slike, oh, I have to
know this now, that's how theydraw you into porn hub. Yes,
exactly, crap scandalous sites. ButI've said this many, many, many,
many many times on this podcast.But listening to uh uh you know,
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conspiracy shows and stuff everyone that callsinto them, Uh, they're always
lonely, like they want to havethis sense of self not self worth,
but like that someone out there islooking for them because it gives them a
purpose. Right. Well, youknow they're they're obviously bored and they want
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if they want attention, their righthand or their left hand will give them
that they're both or both. Thevacuum cleaner. Vacuum cleaner, Yes,
it does suck, by the way, y'all are speaking from experience or no
no experience. Yeah, I meanI do vacuum the house, so yes,
I don't. I hate it,hate vacuuming so much. Liza hinted
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at getting me a roomba for mybirthday, and I really hope that they're
fantastic. They're great on harbor floorthat actually they were pretty good on the
carpet too. But we're not goinginto a roomba podcast. So this is
one of those like back room roombapodcasts talk about our lives and vacuuming habits,
but going back to your vacuum saysabout you by your sex life.
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Going back to what we were justsaying, we kind of discussed this too
in our Amityville horror series. Whenwe did that, it was kind of
the same, the same stuff,right, based on true story would also
or this is a true story,you know that type of thing based on
real events. Yeah, and thereal event is like this, just like
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it happened, a tiny little thing. One of the most fascinating subplots of
the Mothman prophecies is the tale ofIndurd Cold aka the Grinning Man. The
Grinning Man is reported to be humanlike in appearance, though is commonly associated
with UFO activity and is sometimes believedto be an alien. It is also
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believed possible that he connected with theMen in Black. In his first sighting,
he was described as being over sixfeet tall and wearing a reflective green
suit with a black belt. Hehad a dark complexion and small, beady
eyes set far apart. He wasdescribed as not having any nose, ears,
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or hair. In his second knownencounter, his suit was said to
be blue instead of green. Butstill retain its reflective properties. So he
was Voldemart basically, Yes, hekind of looked like Voldemarre and I would
assume, except Valdemore didn't smile,like why is he called the grinning v
Voldemart smiled, but it was likean evil smile. Oh yeah again,
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And obviously this alien or the grinningman in Joyce suits nice. Well,
he just wants to look good.I don't blame Hey, you know what,
that's cool, that's not comfortable?Why not? Along with that,
he was described as looking perfectly naturalwith slick, slicked back hair before Okay,
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so I guess this is still thesecond account. Okay, a coat
with the top two buttons unbuttoned,and having pants lighter than the coat but
still the same material. He wasalso described as being quite tanned, though
not dark, and looking like anynormal human being. Okay, the tract
of the like two buttons undone,which I assume a lot of chesttairs coming
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out this guy who's like Eastern European. Yeah, oh of course, are
you get a nice tan going on? He had this Mediterranean I guess,
like Mediterranean, you know that area? Like, yeah, grease, I
see it, No, no,I see it. Yeah. According to
reports made by Woodrow Darren Burger,Injured Coal came from a planet name Lanolos
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Lano Los La Okay Lano, LosLano, Lots and the genomenous galaxy,
and that there were two other grinningmen by the names of Demo Hassan and
karl Ardo. Some believers came.Cold still visits West Virginia. So there's
multiple grinning men, Demohassen and karlArdo. Sounds like they're Armenian. Yeah,
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okay. Could it be that thesepeople mistate Eastern European people as aliens?
And it's like sixty seventies, soyou know people were more racist than
today. Yeah, yeah, Idon't know. Cold makes for an interesting
character who pomps up in several ofKill's ridings. It's exciting, it's mysterious.
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This MB character and Men in Blackin general allow us to mix humans
with aliens while still seeming somewhat plausible. And his name say his name out
loud a few times. Injured Cold. It's a crisp, clean word,
and Cold is supposed to be ableto communicate telepathically. What so there you
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go, so you can tell youto Jack Off in the corner. Jack
Chack Chack Chack Chaco. Joke thechicken, choke the chicken chuck. I'm
just assuming that it echoed. Tellher I would love to be You need
you need to put an effect.You need to put an effect there.
So when you're like choke the chicken, choke the chicken, it's just like
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echoes and the echo gets louder.Welcome to the as MR Podcasts. But
would you wouldn't you love to beable to telepathically talk to someone? I
thank yeah, that would be cool. I think everybody cool. And you
just touch your temples and be like, I'm sending you a message, you
know, that would be pretty cool. Cold is supposed to be able to
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communicate telepathically. Kill goes into theNative American history of the area, seeming
to search for a reason why strangethings happened. Native legends play a big
role in modern day crypto zoology.Examples would be Skinwalker, Ranch, Bigfoot,
and of course Mothman, who we'retalking about today. But this is
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true. I mean, if youtake a look at Native American folklore,
which we talked a little bit aboutsome of it in our Giant Humanoid series.
It's Bigfoot was talked about constantly inNative American folklore. It doesn't matter
what tribe. They all talked abouta version of Bigfoot giants. Well okay,
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but it turns out that just raninto Shaquille O'Neal. Yes, I'm
making that joke again. Well here'sthe thing. So the thing about the
giants though, is that they hadnever seen really big people. So these
people were six feet tall, maybejust like a little bit bigger, but
they were over here thinking that theywere nine feet, that they were giants
and all that stuff. Same thingwith the Mothman. Like the Native Americans
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were not short. Yeah, NativeAmericans they were. They were tall.
Yeah, they're tall, like they'reyeah, they're tall, they're big.
Well yeah, of course, likemy Italian ass. We'll see. That's
the thing is that when we talkedabout that in the Giant Humanoid series,
you had these Europeans coming over whowith the time were a lot shorter during
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that time period. Yeah, theylooked at Native Americans like giants. Yeah.
Yeah. Detailed reports demonstrate that theoriginal moth Man siding were not hoaxes.
They occurred on a Tuesday night,November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six,
when two couples drove through the TNTarea and saw a winged creature shaped like
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a man, but bigger, blowingred eyes. It walked on sturdy legs.
Were they shuffling? Ga? Gate? Gap? Gate? What the
fuck is that gate? I couldnot get the gate? Does he have
something shoved up his I know whatit is. It's like it's like the
way you walk. Let's see.Was it like a girdle or something?
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Yeah, a person's manner of walks. So the way that he walked,
so he was like, I don'tknow, he was walking weird. He
walked with big balls. And whenit took flight and seemed to follow them,
it wasn't even flapping its wings.Its walls were carrying him. Were
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you know that scene in South Parkwhere Randy has a testicular accounts answer and
he's bouncing on his balls. Ohmy god? And then that would actually
be that would actually be really creepybecause all you hear is just like smack,
and then smack it gets closer andcloser. You're just like, what
the fuck is that noise? Andyou just see a mothman with big balls.
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Other reports soon flooded in, includingone by two point pleasant Fireman who
visited the TNT area only three nightsafter the first sighting. They saw the
huge creature but were positive it wasdefinitely a birds just described it as headless
with shining red eyes sitting near thetop of its body, although one woman
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spoke of it it's funny little face. Okay, First of all, what
bird is out here? Headless walker? Chickens? Oh yeah, chickens?
Can they could live right for thereain't no big ass fucking chicken Like I
mean, well, I take thatback. There is a big ass fucking
chickens out there. But I'm sayingI don't think mothman was a chicken.
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Quite the twist. It would bequite j But you know what, Jeremy
was trying to convince me that themothman was just the sandhill crane. Someone
soul and they were like, ohmy god, it's a moth moth man.
But I don't know, I don'tknow how true that is. Despite
accounts of glowing eyes, one ofthe original eyewitnesses, Linda Scarberry, specifically
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stated that the effect was related tothe car headlights. There was no glowing
about it until the lights hit it, she said. Others echoed her statement.
For example, one man alerted byhis dog, gamed his flashlight in
the direction of his barn and itpicked up two red circles or eyes,
which he said, looks like bicyclereflectors. Yeah. So it's like taking
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a picture and you have the redeyes. Yeah yeah, look at this
photograph. But steal what animal?Do you know? Did you shine a
flashlight d and the eyes are redlike bicycle reflectors. Dogies are not red
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when you know, they're like agreenish yellow. Cats get right, but
they're not red. They're not red. That's where I'm trying to get with
this. And they're not ready.I don't know. Deers are not read
maybe like I don't know. Yeah, I'm exactly So it's something, well
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what is it? So the tailof the moth band begin exactly thirteen months
to the day of the Silver Bridgecollapse. The T and T area is
described by kill dus Lee High Explosiveswhere manufacturing point Pleasant During World War Two,
seven miles outside of town, partof the twenty five hundred acre mcclinic
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Wildlife Station, an animal preserve andbird sanctuary, was ripped up miles of
underground tunnels were dug, linking camouflagebuildings and factories. One hundred igloos were
scattered across the fields and woods,huge concrete domes with heavy stilled doors where
the finished explosives could be safely stored. Dirt and grass covered the dome,
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so from the air the whole areahad a harmless pastoral appearance. A few
scattered buildings linked by unimproved dirt roads, with no suggestion of all the activity
going on below ground. It lookedlike nothing more that what it was supposed
to be a haven for birds andanimals in the Ohio River Valley, an
explosive haven. An explosive Now here'swhat's crazy about that. I did not
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know that that was in West Virginia. If that's true. Now we're saying
kill roade it, so we don't. We don't really know. But let's
say that that is true. Doyou know that there was actually a place
Nazi Germany did the same thing,actually, and it was never It was
not found until after the war.Oh shit, Oh wow, So they
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did actually do the same thing wherethey were making the ammunition, explosives,
all of the stuff. Did itall underground when you flew over, it
had no idea. Right after thewar, most of the explosives were carted
away, the factories were dismantled.The entrances and exits of the tunnels were
plugged with thick concrete slabs. Someof the igloos were given to the Mason
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County government as possible storage vaults.Local teenagers used the decaying dirt roads for
drag strips, and further back wherethe woods thickened Lover's Park in the deep
shadows during the summer mating seasons,so you go into back and get you
dig stup. Basically, it wasjust an area for teenagers to go out
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in thuck, That's all. Itwas. Let's get chunk, let's get
high, let's race our car,let's don't die. Yeah, I mean
that's yeah. What what small towndo you not know that doesn't have like
an area to do that. Ofcourse, I mean my town probably does,
but I'm too old. Sure theselike outdoor areas, but like when
I was a teenager, we hadplaces to hang out like that. Oh
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yeah, of course. While theT and T area had witnessed many biological
events over the years, it hadno reputation as a haunted place. The
local police cruised it through through itevery evening, occasionally flashing their lights into
a darkened car. Everyone raised inthe area knows every corner of the place.
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Sportsman's clubs have built an archery rangeand picnic area there. It was
at this location at the first sightingwas said to have taken place. It
was just two people fucking, butthe way they were moving looked like there
might have been wings, and sothe way they were moving in the way
they were conjoined. Yeah, andthat's the screeching sounds that it was making.
It look like some kind of giantanimal with wings. So it actually
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makes a lot of sense. Itmakes a lot of sense now in the
glowing red eyes? Was the glowingred eyes? Though? Where did that
come from? Nipples don't light uplike that, our human you know,
it's twenty twenty two. Anything.Nipples don't light up rend unless there's a
flashlight inside your boobs. I mean, it just doesn't light up that way.
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At eleven thirty pm on the nightof November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six,
two young couples from Point Pleasant,mister and missus Roger Scarberry and mister
and missus Steve Millette. We're drivingthrough the TNT area and the Scarsberry nineteen
fifty seven Chevy. They drove theChevy to the levy, but the levee
was dry. What thank you,Nick. They aimlessly made the circuit of
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the roads around the igloos, returningto the old generator plant near the unlocked
gate. As they pulled alongside theplant Linda's Scarberry Gas, they all looked
into the blackness and saw two brightred circles. They were about two inches
in diameter and six inches apart.It could be nipples some theyre might be
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bright in the sun, well inthe flashlight, in the moon lights.
But that's my thing. What wasit? Were they teenagers? Fucking thing?
I'm trying to think of an animalwith bright red eyes. I don't
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even know a bird that does that. I mean, I would say maybe
like a frog or something that's abig fucking frog two inches six Let me
tell you something. Do we getthem there's a horrible We do get the
bullfrogs over here, and they're like, but a bullfrog, there's some bad
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thing. I mean, you're talkingabout that big hell. That damn bullfrog
will be as big as me ripit. Roger slammed on his brakes.
The lights bobbed away from the buildingand these started foursome saw they were attached
to some huge animals. Well,that's a very rude way to describe someone.
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It was shaped like a man,but bigger Roger maybe six and a
half or seven feet tall, andit had big wings folded against its back.
But it was those eyes that godus. Linda declared. It had
two big, red, big eyeslike automobile reflectors. They were a hypnotic,
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Roger continued, definitely boobs. Fora minute, we could only stare
at it. I couldn't take myeyes off of it. Makes sense,
Yeah, boobs are very hypnotic.They are. Yeah. It was grayish
in color and walked on sturdy menlike legs. It turned slowly and shuffled
towards the door of the generator plant, which was a jar and hanging off
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its hinges. Roger stepped on thegas and they shot through the gates,
spun onto the exit, and headedfor round sixty two. Suddenly they saw
it, or another one like it, standing on a small heel near the
road. Another teenagers fucking they're allover the place, they're fucking everywhere.
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Watch out, you know, thatwould be that would be kind of scary
if there was a place where abunch of teenager were sucking all the time.
It's like a landmine of products.Yeah, land a land mine,
a land of a mine, fieldof common it's a lot of comb Yes,
semen, Yes, this is welcometo the field of seamen were at
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least get together and rump us.At least the field's getting well seated.
Yes, it is. As theyhurtled past it, it spread its bat
like wings and took off straight upinto the air. My god, it's
following us. The couple in theback sea cried. We were doing one
hundred miles an hour, Rogers,and that bird kept right up with us.
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It wasn't even flapping its wings.Definitely teenagers fucking like a motorcycle cutting
kidding me. I could hear itmaking a sound. Misbelett added, squeaked
like a big mouse. It followedus right up to the city limits.
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Roger went on, funny thing,We noticed a dead dog by the side
of the road. There, abig dog. But when we came back
a few minutes later, the dogwas gone. I mean, someone could
have picked it up. Here's mything. It was the driving one hundred
miles an hour. How the fuckdid you notice a dead dog on the
side of the road and the darkness? For real? They don't. Something
tells me, okay, something tellsme you've made up. At has wings,
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but he doesn't use his wings tofly. Uses going on your look.
Let me tell you something. Thesuction from them balls to his boughthole
as soon as it flats back andhits its suctions and creates a force of
gravity that transcends the moth man forward. Oh my god, both man science
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panic stricken, the red eyes stillburning in their minds, they went directly
to the Mason County Cornhouse, chargedinto the Sheriff's office, and blurted out
their story to Deputy Millard Holstead.They were immediately arrested for suspicion of being
high as fuck. I've known thesekids all their lives, Holstead told me
later. They'd never been in anytrouble, and they were really scared that
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night. I took them seriously.He hopped into a patrol car and followed
Rogers back to the tnt area atthe edge of the town. They looked
for the dog's body. It wasgone. A mystery, it's a missing
little trun was happening in this town. The sheriff could just like fuck off
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to investigate a mothman. This wasjust like you remember when we talked about
the lizard Man of Browntown. Yeah, that's same thing. Yeah, back
at the power plant, there wasno sign of the red eyed specter.
Holstead switched on his police radio anda very loud signal blasted out of the
speaker, drowning out the voice ofthe police dispatcher in Point Pleasant. It
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was allowed garble like a record onor tape recording being played at a very
high speed. So we have theelectronic interference again, and for that I
cannot offer an explanation other than somestrange frequencies picked up from a radio station
or something. I mean, yeah, it's probably coincidence. Yeah. Here's
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my thing though, every time thatthere is some sort of UFO or let's
just say, my man, sincewe are speaking on moth Man, how
come the radio is always fucked up? Why is there always some kind of
way frequency or mess up during thosetimes? It can be like because rhos
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are not FCC compliant. Yes,of course, but I'm saying, like,
how is that coincidence. I'm notsaying Mothman's real, because I don't
really believe in moth Man. I'mjust saying that, what is that's like
their way of communicating because they can'treally communicate in our language. Should they
use the frequencies in the radio tokind of like try and communicate or something.
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I don't know. It's just atheory, no, not the game
theory. The part that is theabsolute most terrifying is the red eyes.
Ask anyone the scariest scene in theoriginal Amityville Horror the red eyes in the
window. Yeah, red eyes areleiggy Piggy Piggy, They're creepy. If
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nobody got that reference, if youhaven't watched the original Amityville Horror, the
fucking pig with red eyes, Yeah, so you know, yah, pig
shouldn't have red eyes exactly. No, and is for the red eyes.
Our friends at Skeptical Inquire have anexplanation. The reflector like nature of the
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creature's eyes is revealing as ornithologists,well, well, no, some bird's
eyes shine bright red at night whencaught in a beam from autoheadlights or a
flashlight, not pigeons. This eyeshineis not the iris color, explains an
authority, but that of the vascularmen brain that take to them, showing
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through the translucent pigment layer on thesurface of the red un Imagine what fucking
bird's eyeshine bread? I'm assuming it'ssimilar to like when we get a picture
taken in eyes are red. It'sjust the blood in our eyes. Well,
what bird, though, was goingone hundred miles an hour? Apparently
falcon I can tell you what thatbird was? A teenagers fucking yes,
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motorcycle. The T and T area, which I've visited both days and nights
is surrounded by the McClinton Wildlife ManagementArea then as now a bird sanctuary.
Owls which exhibit crimson eyeshine populate thearea. So there you go. Okay,
so owls have crimson. I didnot know that. If I had
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to assume based off of what you'recalling a fucking mothman, he does resemble
an owl. Oh yeah, yeah, but that's a big fucking owl.
That's monstrous. It big as youbasically like just a giant owl that goes
one hundred miles an hour. Yeah, you don't fuck with owl al fucks
with you. Steve Warner, whoworks for West Virginia Munitions to produce fifty
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caliber ammunition in the T and Tcompound, said there were owls all over
this place. Conversely, neither henor a co worker, Dwayne Chatworthy,
had ever seen Mothman, although Warnerpointed out that he had lived in the
region all of his life. So, yeah, that would explain why they
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might have seen it. You know, there's a lot of owls in the
area, could explain it. Andbecause of Mothman's squeaky cry, funny little
face, and other features, includingits present near barns and abandoned buildings,
they identified it as the common barnowl. That's even more boring. It's
not even like a rare owl.It's the common the common barn owl if
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well, okay, but what fuckingbarn owl was big? Yeah? Is
that big? And goes that's abig owl? Okay, that's huge.
Maybe, like I don't know,maybe the owls there don't have many predators,
so they can grow it. Canthey just get gigantic tall? Yeah?
Oh my god. You know what, here's the conspiracy theory. Those
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owls are big, you know whybecause they used a bunch of tests and
stuff for explosives in those mountains.That's my day. Mowse so big.
They tried to owl and it justexpanded. It did actually like blow up.
They just got you know, there'sthe gigantic owl. I love how
it just made myself a character fromlike fucking Squidbillies, where I thought I
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was thinking Joe Exotic goes like herewe go, He's coming back. One
skeptical inquire a reader insisted it wasinstead a great horned owl, which,
although not making or not matching certainfeatures so well, does have the advantage
of larger size. It seems likelythat various owls and even other large birds
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played Mothman on occasion. The readerdid some further research regarding eyeshine, learning
that the barns owls was weak andthe great horned owls only medium. However,
the barn owl exhibits wrong eyeshine,and, according to David McClung,
a wildlife manager and mcclinic, iscommon to the area. Indeed, it
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is even more prevalent there than thebarn owl. It is also larger than
the barn owl, which is somewhatresembles and is only a little smaller than
the great horn owl. There wego, well, a lot of owl.
The great horn owl the length isbetween eighteen and twenty five inches.
That's still not remotely even. It'sstill big. No, don't get me
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wrong. It's huge, but it'snot like six feet tall, you know.
Well. You can also see mountedspecimens of these birds and other species
of owls. They're displayed at theWest Virginia State Farm Museum near the mcclinic
Preserve. Museum director Lloyd Acres generouslyallowed them special access to examine and photograph
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them. So look at this photograph. Every time I do, I see
red dies. Um. Could itbe an owl? Yes? Could it
be an undiscovered species of owl?Yes? Could there be a bigger owl
than the great horned owl? Yes. I think it's called the big dick
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owl. It stands on its dick. It stands on its dick. But
I mean, really, if let'ssay there is like a species of owl
that's that big, why wouldn't morepeople see it? Because? I mean
it would be abe, it couldbe bud it fucked its way out of
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existence. I don't know, yeh. Think about it like this. Every
owl can't be the same size,right, It's really gonna depend on diet,
where they are, what they're eating. A great horned owl. Yeah,
it's a big owl, it reallyis. It's a huge owl.
It's a big bird. But let'ssay literally up in those mountains. And
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I'm not saying because who knows whatkind of stuff they were making. If
it's true during World War two theywere creating those things up there, you
don't know what kind of stuff thatthey dumped. Ye, who knows those
owls could have gotten bigger. I'mnot. I mean, yeah, I
was joking about it earlier, butit could happen. Raia change things.
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They put them on roids, theygot on the juice. In light of
the evidence, it seems very likelythat the Mothman's signings were most most likely
caused by owls, probably more thanone type. A man named Asa Henry
shot and killed one tentively identified asa snowy owl during the Mothman Flap.
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Although only about two feet tall,a newspaper dubbed it a giant owl due
to its wingspan of nearly five feet. That's literally as tall as me.
Like I said, think about that, Okay, if there was an owl
up there that was just massive.Let's say that, like you said,
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Nick, maybe it is an extinctspecies of owl. Right, that guy
just shot the last one on anasshole, I know, what an asshole
like, not even that one.Let's say that there's another owl up there
that is extinct. Now, becausewe're still talking the sixties, right,
the most prevalent sightings of moth Manall happened within a span, right,
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So let's say that this owl wasis now extinct, was never fully discovered
owl, and now you know it'sgone. I don't know, but let's
say terrifying. What if there wasan owl bigger than the horned owl,
the great horned owl, the greaterhorned owl, the greater horny owl,
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and point pleasant. Mister Henry's grandson, David Piles himself at taxidermist, and
he is very skeptical of moth Man, said, his grandfather always maintained that
the Mothman flat ended after he hadshot the bird. What an asshole,
I thought, like he was tryingto prove a point, Sam, I
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know, but like I thought,owls were. I don't know, but
like protective species and shitty not inthe sixties, he the sixties. Yea,
there is further information to back thisup. The Abadan Society dedicated to
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the study of birds concurs with theabove assessment and mentions it in their article.
Here's what the article says. Theencounter and point pleasant was the first
sighting of what local news dubbed theMothman, one of America's most enduring cryptids.
Throughout the following year, the townwas rocked with a walter of sightings,
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some honest, some the product oflikely hoaxes. Well, yeah,
you start hearing the real stories,and then everybody else wants to get in
all yeah, exactly the actions threefeet tall and running in a thousand miles
an hour when it's dick out,I saw and hit a baseball with his
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dick. It's a brand slam too. Even after the local frenzies subsided,
Mothman proved popular with the UFO andcryptozoology set and hit the mainstream with the
two thousand and two films The MothmanProphecies. Yet partiesians maintain that it is
an alien, a prophet of doom, or an extra extra dimensional spirit to
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monster heralding the age of Aquarius.Okay, what do with the Age of
Aquarius. I have no idea.This owl apparently likes water. It's a
water water Mender's water Pokemon. It'sa water Pokemon. Maybe there's a Pokemon.
It could be a Pokemon nick Pokemon. Well, I want to I'm
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sure that Pokemon. That's well,he can't who guys shot it? It
he killed the Pokemon. He killedthe hoot hoot. Knocked out is a
pretty big Pokemon. Yeah. Yet, according to Joe Nicol, an author
and investigator with the Committee of SkepticalInquiry, the original Mothman likely owes his
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existence to a more mundane, thoughno less interesting culprit. And now,
yeah, and we we've talked aboutthis in the podcast before that most times,
um, these cryptids and these storiesand stuff, they end up being
something really mundane. So I justI just want to say, definitely Pokemon,
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because canonically, knocked owl is fivefoot three. Oh okay, so
he killed he killed the last No, he killed Pokemon. Yeah, killed
knocked owl. Some of a bitch. How a nocturnal bird became an extra
dimensional entity reveals a little bit abouthuman nature and a lot about a bird
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that seems custom made to give humansthe Chills or the Willias. Okay,
if you've ever seen, Yeah,I was gonna say, if you've ever
seen, um, that one movieit's called it's the Alien movie. The
Alien. No no, no,no, it's called the damn freaking no
Not Welcome to bart I know,um damn what is it called? Anyways,
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it was it's like Projects something orwhatever. Well, there's a scene
in it with like a really creepyowl, and um, they like zoom
in on it, and the owl'sface is super dark and like scary looking,
and it was supposed to represent likean alien. So I think they
got their their stuff from like themoth many possibly their inspiration or whatever.
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But I almost can be creepy.It's just because like they're associated with the
night. Yeah, this would notbe the first instance of owl's being mistaken
for other worldly creatures or for murder. Around eleven pm on August night,
nineteen fifty five, eight people showedup at the Hopkinsville, Kentucky police station
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in a state of panic. Weneed help, one guest. We've been
fighting them for nearly four hours,fighting who apparently little silver men. To
some the Kelly Hopkinsville encounter provides compellingevidence of alien contact. Others see it
as an overreaction, perhaps fueled bymoonshine, to an all attack. Yeah,
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it kind of sounds like they werea little heavy on that moonshine that
night. Well, the Hopkinsville encounteris on my list to cover at some
point. It is on my listbecause it is an interesting account on its
own. The story goes that thosepresent at the Sutton family farmhouse that night
saw an object streak across the sky, her dogs barking, and then saw
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strange creatures with talons approached them.There was a reported shootout with the aliens
on the country. The terrified grouplater described to police what they saw in
vivid, frightening terms. The invadershad round, oversized heads and long arms
with talons that nearly touched the ground. Everything about them seemed to shimmer and
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glow in the darkness. Their eyeshad yellowish light, and their bodies glitten
like they were made of silver metal. So these people literally got attacked by
like a group owls. I guessthat's kind of that's what it sounds like.
That is pretty funny, to behonest with you. I mean,
literally, think about talons glistened ithad a little too much of that Moonshine's
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Yeah, no, that would bepretty scary. Over the next few hours,
the aliens drew close and then retreated. They flipped up into the trees
when the humans tried to shoot them, one reached down and grabbed Taylor's hair.
Finally, when all seemed quiet,several people piled into a car and
fled into town to beg the policefor help. This was an event that
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predated the Mothman sightings by ten years. What so these owls are just like
fuckers. Yeah, and they liketo rip people's hair. It's funny with
that Hopkinsville case because when you reallygo into the story, like I just
gave you, that's the cliff notesversion right there, right, the first
thing you think of if you're thinkingof an animal's owls, and then they
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flipped up into the trees, Well, owls living fucking trees. Yeah,
they were monkeys, owl monkeys,owl monkeys, monkeys. It's the only
explanation. Well, this is actuallygoing to end part two of our series
on Mothman. We have one morepart, good episode that was pretty an
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ultimate episode. Here comes our longclosing out of the episode. We would
like to thank you very on writerand researcher Stephanie Camember for all the hard
work and dedications she put into theseries On a Mothman. Now Here are
the resources we would like to thankfor our series. NCS dot eedu,
Wikipedia, Stacker, apt commic,screen Bank, Conservatory, YouTube, WV
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Explorer, US, Deadly Events,Rational, wikifcc dot gov, Daily,
Yondertelcom, History very well, Minecrypted's, NPR dot organ Cider Skipton Acquire,
Mothman Museum, all that interesting transportationdot WV dot gov, Timeline dot com,
in uforce dot orgonmufund dot com,and the articles and books by John
Kill The Mothman Prophecies, Disneyland ofthe Gods Are Haunted Planet, the kpe
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May Incident, the Great UFO WaveInterview, and the Man who invented Flang
Saucer and a Partridge in a PearTree. I did it fast that time
either, that's pretty I didn't.I didn't. I did not. But
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on this part two of moth Manas we actually dove deeper into moth Man
on this episode versus I'm glad.I'm glad that we did because it was
it was nice. It was interestinglearning the different for witness stories and all
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that stuff, and you know,people getting attacked by crypted owls. It
turns out, Yeah, today Ilearned that owls look like moths who do
Yeah, Well, I mean ifyou look at Mothman, he resembles an
owl like ye, the body,the talons, everything. Yeah, And
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obviously in part three will get moreinto Mothman himself as well and the Mothman
prophecies. So finishing out this seriesand then obviously after the Mothman series,
we're gonna be going back into anotherepisode of Side Crime and then you will
find out what that next series willbe after at the end of the episode
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of Side Crime. So there yougo. All right, well, I
think this is gonna cap it offerus on this episode of even the podcast,
As Afraid. Be sure to stayelbow deep. This podcast has been
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We ain't understand even the podcast isAfraid. Welcome to even the podcast It's
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Afraid. I'm Jared, and I'mhere with Nick and Sam as we continue
our series on the mysterious Crypted mothMan. And I decided to get a
new light bulb and keep it reallybright to attract the moths. Of course,
Well, so I was telling Nick. I was telling Nick and Jared
because we were talking about like collectiblesand all this stuff, and um,
(00:44):
I have started collecting like the squishables, like plushy things. While now they
came out with a Mothman one andit looks freaking sweet, and I wanted
so they need a Grimace one?They do? They probably do. I'm
pretty sure if you look on Amazon, they probably have one. You know
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What's funny? And then we startedtalking about like I've done got back into
trading card games again, and nowI've done started collecting Meta Zoo. And
it's funny because Sam ordered a Mothmansquishable and I ordered a Mothman trading card.
What are the odds I've got astream deck. It has nothing to
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do with Mothman. Hey, wellyou could what I mean, what do
Mothman like noises sound like, well, we could always you could always wake
up MT. I think probably likean owl. Yeah, maybe, well
that's a pigeon. Maybe that isWhy do you always get every bird mixed
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up with a pigeon? That's justthree years I've known you, Nick,
and you've always got your bird.Every bird sounds like a fucking pig.
That's the only bird noise that couldHow do you you can't go? Who?
I guess I could do crow well, obviously if you're listening to us,
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(02:38):
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links for all of that in theshow notes, there you go, all
right. I wanted to keep thatbrief simple so we could get back into
the month. Man. Yes,I don't know. There we go confusing
a moth with a bird. Thistime that's a noise box. Make right,
(03:23):
all right, everybody, get readyquench your buttholes, because here we
go clinched. When we last leftoff, we discussed auditory perceptual illusions that
are not as uncommon as one mightthink. In fact, up to ten
percent of the general population have hadthe experience of hearing one's name called,
especially during the twilight times of fallingasleep or waking up. And I'm not
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even gonna try to read the doctorthat would have a medical term or hip
a pumpick hits I got probably wrong. Is the fear of hippos, Yes,
the fear of hippos. So wehave we have this commercial in Canada
at least when we were younger,and it was about, um, don't
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believe everything you see on TV.This is like pre internet days, right,
And it was a fake like Naturedocumentary on the house hippo. It's
like house hippos can be found inthe thing or whatever. Right, It's
like a short like twenty second thing. And then it's like, don't believe
everything you see on TV or hip. It's not it's not not real.
It's not real. But Elijah's mombought like a hippo beanie baby, and
(04:32):
now we have in our house.We have a house hippo. Now you
have a house hippo. Yep,I'm so lost right now, Jared.
There are such things as house hippos, Nick hasn't. Yeah. People with
schizophrenia can hear a variety of noisesand voices, which often get louder,
meaner, and more persuasive over time, like fucking house hippos. Apparent.
(04:56):
Yes, I'm glad I have spreadour Canadian listeners. I remember I was
at Bows. So a few examplesof the type of sounds that might be
heard. We mentioned this in partone. We're kind of rehashing for anybody
that decided to skip or want orjust give you an update of where we
were. As most people do,they just go to Part two. Some
dude, believe it or not,that's so weird, Hey it happened.
(05:20):
Repetitive screeching sounds suggestive of rats,painfully loud thumping music, themes, voices,
of people whispering or yelling me inorders or comments, people talking about
you as if you were not evenfucking present, and that might be a
sound they may hear, could besuck. I mean that, Okay,
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it's not, but after a whilewe get pretty annoying. It's really annoying
the sound of multiple orgasms all thetime. I hope that'd be annoying.
Okay, you know what you're tellingme that you would want to listen to
that twenty four seven? No,you know what I had in university exactly.
Girlfriend was very vocal, so verylike I could hear but imagine that
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vocal twenty four seven Nick, Andwhen they were done, I would clap.
I feel like, that's just soweird though, like he knew that
you were in the room, youknow, well I was a different room
in a different that's a different podcast. Yeah, podcast your sex life.
(06:32):
Oh gosh, we have kids,so it barely exists. I don't so
cheers to that. So. Anotherversion of this phenomenon are the Morse code
like beeps that blast out of carradio's telephones and TV sets when UFOs are
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active. Keep in mind that themajority of reported UFOs have logical explanations.
If there is an issue that iscausing what may appear to be a UFO,
that would likely set off electronic devicesas well. And also we can
go back to the number stations asa possible explanation. Funny, I was
listening to UM because after I finishedstreaming on Twitch, usually like just kind
(07:16):
of go through like a little bitof video, just make sure audio is
fine or whatever, right, andthen Jack probably should do that before I
stream, but I do it afterI stream. UM. But I was
listening and I heard like a littleremember the old interference you'd hear when you
like in your old flip phones whenyou'd get a text. I heard that.
(07:38):
I'm like, what the hell,it's random, So I naturally assumed
moth Man, Oh yeah, ofcourse it's the only logical explanation. Moth
Band was watching my stream. SoI'm just gonna point out, regardless of
how much we debunk anything UFO,I believe. Oh no, I mean
I agree, Yeah, yeah,they're out there or you're already. Have
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you seen them though, with yourMark Zuckerberg, I don't need to see
to believe. Yeah, look atmy shirt. People watching the TV show
don't talk to the strangers, though, look at my shirt. New Orleans
Saints don't talk to them either.Probably shouldn't because the aliens, yes,
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each and every one of them.Kill discusses a lot of supposed men in
black accounts. At the start ofthe book, he says he himself received
ominous threats for mysterious men. Heclaimed that he was warned to not finish
writing the Mothman prophecies. Now,let me let me go back to that
again, almost at a brain fart, like what's his name? From fucking
(08:46):
um the forty year old Virgin?Or what was it? The is it?
Waterboy? Dude? What the fuckis that movie? I hate when
I have moments like this, oryour brains like I don't want you to
know, but you do know,you know I hate yeah, No,
I hate that. Yeah, Ican't think of the movie Bruce almighty.
Oh yeah. But anyways, goback and let me just read this again.
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He says he himself received ominous threatsfrom mysterious men. What kind of
threats worth these? Probably the YouTubecomments section, what willies? Is that?
What they say in the YouTube commentssection? Give you what willies?
They may they may say what willies? This podcast sucks. I give you
(09:39):
willie. You know what, Ihave received some of those comments that we
suck. Oh well, you knowthat's they're not wrong. I just want
to let those people know we sleepjust fine. Oh yeah. And the
thing is is that we know wesuck, but you know it's just you
pointing that out. I don't literallysuck. I just suck. I mean
(10:03):
I have a drink of a straw. Well I do both. So there
you go. It is turning intothat kind of podcast. They were canceled,
We're canceled, goodbye. The firstprinting of the book is listed as
nineteen seventy six, So how exactlywould advance notice be getting out about a
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book he's working on. Just plainold weirdness and most likely self promotion.
If you tell people that this isthe book they don't want you to read,
well right, there is your legendbuilding outcome. Everyone will want to
read it. Please refer to ourseries on Men and Black for more details
on this bullshit. To think ofevery clickbait article you can think of,
(10:46):
and it's just like Secrets of theCasino. They don't want you to know,
like stuff like that, and it'slike, oh, I have to
know this now, that's how theydraw you into porn hub. Yes,
exactly, crap scandalous sites. ButI've said this many, many, many,
many many times on this podcast.But listening to uh uh you know,
(11:09):
conspiracy shows and stuff everyone that callsinto them, Uh, they're always
lonely, like they want to havethis sense of self not self worth,
but like that someone out there islooking for them because it gives them a
purpose. Right. Well, youknow they're they're obviously bored and they want
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if they want attention, their righthand or their left hand will give them
that they're both or both. Thevacuum cleaner. Vacuum cleaner, Yes,
it does suck, by the way, y'all are speaking from experience or no
no experience. Yeah, I meanI do vacuum the house, so yes,
I don't. I hate it,hate vacuuming so much. Liza hinted
(12:01):
at getting me a roomba for mybirthday, and I really hope that they're
fantastic. They're great on harbor floorthat actually they were pretty good on the
carpet too. But we're not goinginto a roomba podcast. So this is
one of those like back room roombapodcasts talk about our lives and vacuuming habits,
but going back to your vacuum saysabout you by your sex life.
(12:26):
Going back to what we were justsaying, we kind of discussed this too
in our Amityville horror series. Whenwe did that, it was kind of
the same, the same stuff,right, based on true story would also
or this is a true story,you know that type of thing based on
real events. Yeah, and thereal event is like this, just like
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it happened, a tiny little thing. One of the most fascinating subplots of
the Mothman prophecies is the tale ofIndurd Cold aka the Grinning Man. The
Grinning Man is reported to be humanlike in appearance, though is commonly associated
with UFO activity and is sometimes believedto be an alien. It is also
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believed possible that he connected with theMen in Black. In his first sighting,
he was described as being over sixfeet tall and wearing a reflective green
suit with a black belt. Hehad a dark complexion and small, beady
eyes set far apart. He wasdescribed as not having any nose, ears,
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or hair. In his second knownencounter, his suit was said to
be blue instead of green. Butstill retain its reflective properties. So he
was Voldemart basically, Yes, hekind of looked like Voldemarre and I would
assume, except Valdemore didn't smile,like why is he called the grinning v
Voldemart smiled, but it was likean evil smile. Oh yeah again,
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And obviously this alien or the grinningman in Joyce suits nice. Well,
he just wants to look good.I don't blame Hey, you know what,
that's cool, that's not comfortable?Why not? Along with that,
he was described as looking perfectly naturalwith slick, slicked back hair before Okay,
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so I guess this is still thesecond account. Okay, a coat
with the top two buttons unbuttoned,and having pants lighter than the coat but
still the same material. He wasalso described as being quite tanned, though
not dark, and looking like anynormal human being. Okay, the tract
of the like two buttons undone,which I assume a lot of chesttairs coming
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out this guy who's like Eastern European. Yeah, oh of course, are
you get a nice tan going on? He had this Mediterranean I guess,
like Mediterranean, you know that area? Like, yeah, grease, I
see it, No, no,I see it. Yeah. According to
reports made by Woodrow Darren Burger,Injured Coal came from a planet name Lanolos
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Lano Los La Okay Lano, LosLano, Lots and the genomenous galaxy,
and that there were two other grinningmen by the names of Demo Hassan and
karl Ardo. Some believers came.Cold still visits West Virginia. So there's
multiple grinning men, Demohassen and karlArdo. Sounds like they're Armenian. Yeah,
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okay. Could it be that thesepeople mistate Eastern European people as aliens?
And it's like sixty seventies, soyou know people were more racist than
today. Yeah, yeah, Idon't know. Cold makes for an interesting
character who pomps up in several ofKill's ridings. It's exciting, it's mysterious.
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This MB character and Men in Blackin general allow us to mix humans
with aliens while still seeming somewhat plausible. And his name say his name out
loud a few times. Injured Cold. It's a crisp, clean word,
and Cold is supposed to be ableto communicate telepathically. What so there you
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go, so you can tell youto Jack Off in the corner. Jack
Chack Chack Chack Chaco. Joke thechicken, choke the chicken chuck. I'm
just assuming that it echoed. Tellher I would love to be You need
you need to put an effect.You need to put an effect there.
So when you're like choke the chicken, choke the chicken, it's just like
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echoes and the echo gets louder.Welcome to the as MR Podcasts. But
would you wouldn't you love to beable to telepathically talk to someone? I
thank yeah, that would be cool. I think everybody cool. And you
just touch your temples and be like, I'm sending you a message, you
know, that would be pretty cool. Cold is supposed to be able to
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communicate telepathically. Kill goes into theNative American history of the area, seeming
to search for a reason why strangethings happened. Native legends play a big
role in modern day crypto zoology.Examples would be Skinwalker, Ranch, Bigfoot,
and of course Mothman, who we'retalking about today. But this is
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true. I mean, if youtake a look at Native American folklore,
which we talked a little bit aboutsome of it in our Giant Humanoid series.
It's Bigfoot was talked about constantly inNative American folklore. It doesn't matter
what tribe. They all talked abouta version of Bigfoot giants. Well okay,
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but it turns out that just raninto Shaquille O'Neal. Yes, I'm
making that joke again. Well here'sthe thing. So the thing about the
giants though, is that they hadnever seen really big people. So these
people were six feet tall, maybejust like a little bit bigger, but
they were over here thinking that theywere nine feet, that they were giants
and all that stuff. Same thingwith the Mothman. Like the Native Americans
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were not short. Yeah, NativeAmericans they were. They were tall.
Yeah, they're tall, like they'reyeah, they're tall, they're big.
Well yeah, of course, likemy Italian ass. We'll see. That's
the thing is that when we talkedabout that in the Giant Humanoid series,
you had these Europeans coming over whowith the time were a lot shorter during
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that time period. Yeah, theylooked at Native Americans like giants. Yeah.
Yeah. Detailed reports demonstrate that theoriginal moth Man siding were not hoaxes.
They occurred on a Tuesday night,November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six,
when two couples drove through the TNTarea and saw a winged creature shaped like
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a man, but bigger, blowingred eyes. It walked on sturdy legs.
Were they shuffling? Ga? Gate? Gap? Gate? What the
fuck is that gate? I couldnot get the gate? Does he have
something shoved up his I know whatit is. It's like it's like the
way you walk. Let's see.Was it like a girdle or something?
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Yeah, a person's manner of walks. So the way that he walked,
so he was like, I don'tknow, he was walking weird. He
walked with big balls. And whenit took flight and seemed to follow them,
it wasn't even flapping its wings.Its walls were carrying him. Were
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you know that scene in South Parkwhere Randy has a testicular accounts answer and
he's bouncing on his balls. Ohmy god? And then that would actually
be that would actually be really creepybecause all you hear is just like smack,
and then smack it gets closer andcloser. You're just like, what
the fuck is that noise? Andyou just see a mothman with big balls.
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Other reports soon flooded in, includingone by two point pleasant Fireman who
visited the TNT area only three nightsafter the first sighting. They saw the
huge creature but were positive it wasdefinitely a birds just described it as headless
with shining red eyes sitting near thetop of its body, although one woman
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spoke of it it's funny little face. Okay, First of all, what
bird is out here? Headless walker? Chickens? Oh yeah, chickens?
Can they could live right for thereain't no big ass fucking chicken Like I
mean, well, I take thatback. There is a big ass fucking
chickens out there. But I'm sayingI don't think mothman was a chicken.
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Quite the twist. It would bequite j But you know what, Jeremy
was trying to convince me that themothman was just the sandhill crane. Someone
soul and they were like, ohmy god, it's a moth moth man.
But I don't know, I don'tknow how true that is. Despite
accounts of glowing eyes, one ofthe original eyewitnesses, Linda Scarberry, specifically
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stated that the effect was related tothe car headlights. There was no glowing
about it until the lights hit it, she said. Others echoed her statement.
For example, one man alerted byhis dog, gamed his flashlight in
the direction of his barn and itpicked up two red circles or eyes,
which he said, looks like bicyclereflectors. Yeah. So it's like taking
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a picture and you have the redeyes. Yeah yeah, look at this
photograph. But steal what animal?Do you know? Did you shine a
flashlight d and the eyes are redlike bicycle reflectors. Dogies are not red
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when you know, they're like agreenish yellow. Cats get right, but
they're not red. They're not red. That's where I'm trying to get with
this. And they're not ready.I don't know. Deers are not read
maybe like I don't know. Yeah, I'm exactly So it's something, well
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what is it? So the tailof the moth band begin exactly thirteen months
to the day of the Silver Bridgecollapse. The T and T area is
described by kill dus Lee High Explosiveswhere manufacturing point Pleasant During World War Two,
seven miles outside of town, partof the twenty five hundred acre mcclinic
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Wildlife Station, an animal preserve andbird sanctuary, was ripped up miles of
underground tunnels were dug, linking camouflagebuildings and factories. One hundred igloos were
scattered across the fields and woods,huge concrete domes with heavy stilled doors where
the finished explosives could be safely stored. Dirt and grass covered the dome,
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so from the air the whole areahad a harmless pastoral appearance. A few
scattered buildings linked by unimproved dirt roads, with no suggestion of all the activity
going on below ground. It lookedlike nothing more that what it was supposed
to be a haven for birds andanimals in the Ohio River Valley, an
explosive haven. An explosive Now here'swhat's crazy about that. I did not
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know that that was in West Virginia. If that's true. Now we're saying
kill roade it, so we don't. We don't really know. But let's
say that that is true. Doyou know that there was actually a place
Nazi Germany did the same thing,actually, and it was never It was
not found until after the war.Oh shit, Oh wow, So they
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did actually do the same thing wherethey were making the ammunition, explosives,
all of the stuff. Did itall underground when you flew over, it
had no idea. Right after thewar, most of the explosives were carted
away, the factories were dismantled.The entrances and exits of the tunnels were
plugged with thick concrete slabs. Someof the igloos were given to the Mason
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County government as possible storage vaults.Local teenagers used the decaying dirt roads for
drag strips, and further back wherethe woods thickened Lover's Park in the deep
shadows during the summer mating seasons,so you go into back and get you
dig stup. Basically, it wasjust an area for teenagers to go out
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in thuck, That's all. Itwas. Let's get chunk, let's get
high, let's race our car,let's don't die. Yeah, I mean
that's yeah. What what small towndo you not know that doesn't have like
an area to do that. Ofcourse, I mean my town probably does,
but I'm too old. Sure theselike outdoor areas, but like when
I was a teenager, we hadplaces to hang out like that. Oh
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yeah, of course. While theT and T area had witnessed many biological
events over the years, it hadno reputation as a haunted place. The
local police cruised it through through itevery evening, occasionally flashing their lights into
a darkened car. Everyone raised inthe area knows every corner of the place.
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Sportsman's clubs have built an archery rangeand picnic area there. It was
at this location at the first sightingwas said to have taken place. It
was just two people fucking, butthe way they were moving looked like there
might have been wings, and sothe way they were moving in the way
they were conjoined. Yeah, andthat's the screeching sounds that it was making.
It look like some kind of giantanimal with wings. So it actually
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makes a lot of sense. Itmakes a lot of sense now in the
glowing red eyes? Was the glowingred eyes? Though? Where did that
come from? Nipples don't light uplike that, our human you know,
it's twenty twenty two. Anything.Nipples don't light up rend unless there's a
flashlight inside your boobs. I mean, it just doesn't light up that way.
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At eleven thirty pm on the nightof November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six,
two young couples from Point Pleasant,mister and missus Roger Scarberry and mister
and missus Steve Millette. We're drivingthrough the TNT area and the Scarsberry nineteen
fifty seven Chevy. They drove theChevy to the levy, but the levee
was dry. What thank you,Nick. They aimlessly made the circuit of
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the roads around the igloos, returningto the old generator plant near the unlocked
gate. As they pulled alongside theplant Linda's Scarberry Gas, they all looked
into the blackness and saw two brightred circles. They were about two inches
in diameter and six inches apart.It could be nipples some theyre might be
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bright in the sun, well inthe flashlight, in the moon lights.
But that's my thing. What wasit? Were they teenagers? Fucking thing?
I'm trying to think of an animalwith bright red eyes. I don't
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even know a bird that does that. I mean, I would say maybe
like a frog or something that's abig fucking frog two inches six Let me
tell you something. Do we getthem there's a horrible We do get the
bullfrogs over here, and they're like, but a bullfrog, there's some bad
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thing. I mean, you're talkingabout that big hell. That damn bullfrog
will be as big as me ripit. Roger slammed on his brakes.
The lights bobbed away from the buildingand these started foursome saw they were attached
to some huge animals. Well,that's a very rude way to describe someone.
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It was shaped like a man,but bigger Roger maybe six and a
half or seven feet tall, andit had big wings folded against its back.
But it was those eyes that godus. Linda declared. It had
two big, red, big eyeslike automobile reflectors. They were a hypnotic,
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Roger continued, definitely boobs. Fora minute, we could only stare
at it. I couldn't take myeyes off of it. Makes sense,
Yeah, boobs are very hypnotic.They are. Yeah. It was grayish
in color and walked on sturdy menlike legs. It turned slowly and shuffled
towards the door of the generator plant, which was a jar and hanging off
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its hinges. Roger stepped on thegas and they shot through the gates,
spun onto the exit, and headedfor round sixty two. Suddenly they saw
it, or another one like it, standing on a small heel near the
road. Another teenagers fucking they're allover the place, they're fucking everywhere.
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Watch out, you know, thatwould be that would be kind of scary
if there was a place where abunch of teenager were sucking all the time.
It's like a landmine of products.Yeah, land a land mine,
a land of a mine, fieldof common it's a lot of comb Yes,
semen, Yes, this is welcometo the field of seamen were at
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least get together and rump us.At least the field's getting well seated.
Yes, it is. As theyhurtled past it, it spread its bat
like wings and took off straight upinto the air. My god, it's
following us. The couple in theback sea cried. We were doing one
hundred miles an hour, Rogers,and that bird kept right up with us.
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It wasn't even flapping its wings.Definitely teenagers fucking like a motorcycle cutting
kidding me. I could hear itmaking a sound. Misbelett added, squeaked
like a big mouse. It followedus right up to the city limits.
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Roger went on, funny thing,We noticed a dead dog by the side
of the road. There, abig dog. But when we came back
a few minutes later, the dogwas gone. I mean, someone could
have picked it up. Here's mything. It was the driving one hundred
miles an hour. How the fuckdid you notice a dead dog on the
side of the road and the darkness? For real? They don't. Something
tells me, okay, something tellsme you've made up. At has wings,
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but he doesn't use his wings tofly. Uses going on your look.
Let me tell you something. Thesuction from them balls to his boughthole
as soon as it flats back andhits its suctions and creates a force of
gravity that transcends the moth man forward. Oh my god, both man science
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panic stricken, the red eyes stillburning in their minds, they went directly
to the Mason County Cornhouse, chargedinto the Sheriff's office, and blurted out
their story to Deputy Millard Holstead.They were immediately arrested for suspicion of being
high as fuck. I've known thesekids all their lives, Holstead told me
later. They'd never been in anytrouble, and they were really scared that
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night. I took them seriously.He hopped into a patrol car and followed
Rogers back to the tnt area atthe edge of the town. They looked
for the dog's body. It wasgone. A mystery, it's a missing
little trun was happening in this town. The sheriff could just like fuck off
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to investigate a mothman. This wasjust like you remember when we talked about
the lizard Man of Browntown. Yeah, that's same thing. Yeah, back
at the power plant, there wasno sign of the red eyed specter.
Holstead switched on his police radio anda very loud signal blasted out of the
speaker, drowning out the voice ofthe police dispatcher in Point Pleasant. It
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was allowed garble like a record onor tape recording being played at a very
high speed. So we have theelectronic interference again, and for that I
cannot offer an explanation other than somestrange frequencies picked up from a radio station
or something. I mean, yeah, it's probably coincidence. Yeah. Here's
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my thing though, every time thatthere is some sort of UFO or let's
just say, my man, sincewe are speaking on moth Man, how
come the radio is always fucked up? Why is there always some kind of
way frequency or mess up during thosetimes? It can be like because rhos
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are not FCC compliant. Yes,of course, but I'm saying, like,
how is that coincidence. I'm notsaying Mothman's real, because I don't
really believe in moth Man. I'mjust saying that, what is that's like
their way of communicating because they can'treally communicate in our language. Should they
use the frequencies in the radio tokind of like try and communicate or something.
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I don't know. It's just atheory, no, not the game
theory. The part that is theabsolute most terrifying is the red eyes.
Ask anyone the scariest scene in theoriginal Amityville Horror the red eyes in the
window. Yeah, red eyes areleiggy Piggy Piggy, They're creepy. If
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nobody got that reference, if youhaven't watched the original Amityville Horror, the
fucking pig with red eyes, Yeah, so you know, yah, pig
shouldn't have red eyes exactly. No, and is for the red eyes.
Our friends at Skeptical Inquire have anexplanation. The reflector like nature of the
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creature's eyes is revealing as ornithologists,well, well, no, some bird's
eyes shine bright red at night whencaught in a beam from autoheadlights or a
flashlight, not pigeons. This eyeshineis not the iris color, explains an
authority, but that of the vascularmen brain that take to them, showing
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through the translucent pigment layer on thesurface of the red un Imagine what fucking
bird's eyeshine bread? I'm assuming it'ssimilar to like when we get a picture
taken in eyes are red. It'sjust the blood in our eyes. Well,
what bird, though, was goingone hundred miles an hour? Apparently
falcon I can tell you what thatbird was? A teenagers fucking yes,
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motorcycle. The T and T area, which I've visited both days and nights
is surrounded by the McClinton Wildlife ManagementArea then as now a bird sanctuary.
Owls which exhibit crimson eyeshine populate thearea. So there you go. Okay,
so owls have crimson. I didnot know that. If I had
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to assume based off of what you'recalling a fucking mothman, he does resemble
an owl. Oh yeah, yeah, but that's a big fucking owl.
That's monstrous. It big as youbasically like just a giant owl that goes
one hundred miles an hour. Yeah, you don't fuck with owl al fucks
with you. Steve Warner, whoworks for West Virginia Munitions to produce fifty
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caliber ammunition in the T and Tcompound, said there were owls all over
this place. Conversely, neither henor a co worker, Dwayne Chatworthy,
had ever seen Mothman, although Warnerpointed out that he had lived in the
region all of his life. So, yeah, that would explain why they
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might have seen it. You know, there's a lot of owls in the
area, could explain it. Andbecause of Mothman's squeaky cry, funny little
face, and other features, includingits present near barns and abandoned buildings,
they identified it as the common barnowl. That's even more boring. It's
not even like a rare owl.It's the common the common barn owl if
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well, okay, but what fuckingbarn owl was big? Yeah? Is
that big? And goes that's abig owl? Okay, that's huge.
Maybe, like I don't know,maybe the owls there don't have many predators,
so they can grow it. Canthey just get gigantic tall? Yeah?
Oh my god. You know what, here's the conspiracy theory. Those
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owls are big, you know whybecause they used a bunch of tests and
stuff for explosives in those mountains.That's my day. Mowse so big.
They tried to owl and it justexpanded. It did actually like blow up.
They just got you know, there'sthe gigantic owl. I love how
it just made myself a character fromlike fucking Squidbillies, where I thought I
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was thinking Joe Exotic goes like herewe go, He's coming back. One
skeptical inquire a reader insisted it wasinstead a great horned owl, which,
although not making or not matching certainfeatures so well, does have the advantage
of larger size. It seems likelythat various owls and even other large birds
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played Mothman on occasion. The readerdid some further research regarding eyeshine, learning
that the barns owls was weak andthe great horned owls only medium. However,
the barn owl exhibits wrong eyeshine,and, according to David McClung,
a wildlife manager and mcclinic, iscommon to the area. Indeed, it
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is even more prevalent there than thebarn owl. It is also larger than
the barn owl, which is somewhatresembles and is only a little smaller than
the great horn owl. There wego, well, a lot of owl.
The great horn owl the length isbetween eighteen and twenty five inches.
That's still not remotely even. It'sstill big. No, don't get me
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wrong. It's huge, but it'snot like six feet tall, you know.
Well. You can also see mountedspecimens of these birds and other species
of owls. They're displayed at theWest Virginia State Farm Museum near the mcclinic
Preserve. Museum director Lloyd Acres generouslyallowed them special access to examine and photograph
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them. So look at this photograph. Every time I do, I see
red dies. Um. Could itbe an owl? Yes? Could it
be an undiscovered species of owl?Yes? Could there be a bigger owl
than the great horned owl? Yes. I think it's called the big dick
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owl. It stands on its dick. It stands on its dick. But
I mean, really, if let'ssay there is like a species of owl
that's that big, why wouldn't morepeople see it? Because? I mean
it would be abe, it couldbe bud it fucked its way out of
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existence. I don't know, yeh. Think about it like this. Every
owl can't be the same size,right, It's really gonna depend on diet,
where they are, what they're eating. A great horned owl. Yeah,
it's a big owl, it reallyis. It's a huge owl.
It's a big bird. But let'ssay literally up in those mountains. And
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I'm not saying because who knows whatkind of stuff they were making. If
it's true during World War two theywere creating those things up there, you
don't know what kind of stuff thatthey dumped. Ye, who knows those
owls could have gotten bigger. I'mnot. I mean, yeah, I
was joking about it earlier, butit could happen. Raia change things.
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They put them on roids, theygot on the juice. In light of
the evidence, it seems very likelythat the Mothman's signings were most most likely
caused by owls, probably more thanone type. A man named Asa Henry
shot and killed one tentively identified asa snowy owl during the Mothman Flap.
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Although only about two feet tall,a newspaper dubbed it a giant owl due
to its wingspan of nearly five feet. That's literally as tall as me.
Like I said, think about that, Okay, if there was an owl
up there that was just massive.Let's say that, like you said,
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Nick, maybe it is an extinctspecies of owl. Right, that guy
just shot the last one on anasshole, I know, what an asshole
like, not even that one.Let's say that there's another owl up there
that is extinct. Now, becausewe're still talking the sixties, right,
the most prevalent sightings of moth Manall happened within a span, right,
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So let's say that this owl wasis now extinct, was never fully discovered
owl, and now you know it'sgone. I don't know, but let's
say terrifying. What if there wasan owl bigger than the horned owl,
the great horned owl, the greaterhorned owl, the greater horny owl,
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and point pleasant. Mister Henry's grandson, David Piles himself at taxidermist, and
he is very skeptical of moth Man, said, his grandfather always maintained that
the Mothman flat ended after he hadshot the bird. What an asshole,
I thought, like he was tryingto prove a point, Sam, I
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know, but like I thought,owls were. I don't know, but
like protective species and shitty not inthe sixties, he the sixties. Yea,
there is further information to back thisup. The Abadan Society dedicated to
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the study of birds concurs with theabove assessment and mentions it in their article.
Here's what the article says. Theencounter and point pleasant was the first
sighting of what local news dubbed theMothman, one of America's most enduring cryptids.
Throughout the following year, the townwas rocked with a walter of sightings,
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some honest, some the product oflikely hoaxes. Well, yeah,
you start hearing the real stories,and then everybody else wants to get in
all yeah, exactly the actions threefeet tall and running in a thousand miles
an hour when it's dick out,I saw and hit a baseball with his
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dick. It's a brand slam too. Even after the local frenzies subsided,
Mothman proved popular with the UFO andcryptozoology set and hit the mainstream with the
two thousand and two films The MothmanProphecies. Yet partiesians maintain that it is
an alien, a prophet of doom, or an extra extra dimensional spirit to
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monster heralding the age of Aquarius.Okay, what do with the Age of
Aquarius. I have no idea.This owl apparently likes water. It's a
water water Mender's water Pokemon. It'sa water Pokemon. Maybe there's a Pokemon.
It could be a Pokemon nick Pokemon. Well, I want to I'm
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sure that Pokemon. That's well,he can't who guys shot it? It
he killed the Pokemon. He killedthe hoot hoot. Knocked out is a
pretty big Pokemon. Yeah. Yet, according to Joe Nicol, an author
and investigator with the Committee of SkepticalInquiry, the original Mothman likely owes his
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existence to a more mundane, thoughno less interesting culprit. And now,
yeah, and we we've talked aboutthis in the podcast before that most times,
um, these cryptids and these storiesand stuff, they end up being
something really mundane. So I justI just want to say, definitely Pokemon,
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because canonically, knocked owl is fivefoot three. Oh okay, so
he killed he killed the last No, he killed Pokemon. Yeah, killed
knocked owl. Some of a bitch. How a nocturnal bird became an extra
dimensional entity reveals a little bit abouthuman nature and a lot about a bird
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that seems custom made to give humansthe Chills or the Willias. Okay,
if you've ever seen, Yeah,I was gonna say, if you've ever
seen, um, that one movieit's called it's the Alien movie. The
Alien. No no, no,no, it's called the damn freaking no
Not Welcome to bart I know,um damn what is it called? Anyways,
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it was it's like Projects something orwhatever. Well, there's a scene
in it with like a really creepyowl, and um, they like zoom
in on it, and the owl'sface is super dark and like scary looking,
and it was supposed to represent likean alien. So I think they
got their their stuff from like themoth many possibly their inspiration or whatever.
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But I almost can be creepy.It's just because like they're associated with the
night. Yeah, this would notbe the first instance of owl's being mistaken
for other worldly creatures or for murder. Around eleven pm on August night,
nineteen fifty five, eight people showedup at the Hopkinsville, Kentucky police station
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in a state of panic. Weneed help, one guest. We've been
fighting them for nearly four hours,fighting who apparently little silver men. To
some the Kelly Hopkinsville encounter provides compellingevidence of alien contact. Others see it
as an overreaction, perhaps fueled bymoonshine, to an all attack. Yeah,
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it kind of sounds like they werea little heavy on that moonshine that
night. Well, the Hopkinsville encounteris on my list to cover at some
point. It is on my listbecause it is an interesting account on its
own. The story goes that thosepresent at the Sutton family farmhouse that night
saw an object streak across the sky, her dogs barking, and then saw
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strange creatures with talons approached them.There was a reported shootout with the aliens
on the country. The terrified grouplater described to police what they saw in
vivid, frightening terms. The invadershad round, oversized heads and long arms
with talons that nearly touched the ground. Everything about them seemed to shimmer and
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glow in the darkness. Their eyeshad yellowish light, and their bodies glitten
like they were made of silver metal. So these people literally got attacked by
like a group owls. I guessthat's kind of that's what it sounds like.
That is pretty funny, to behonest with you. I mean,
literally, think about talons glistened ithad a little too much of that Moonshine's
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Yeah, no, that would bepretty scary. Over the next few hours,
the aliens drew close and then retreated. They flipped up into the trees
when the humans tried to shoot them, one reached down and grabbed Taylor's hair.
Finally, when all seemed quiet,several people piled into a car and
fled into town to beg the policefor help. This was an event that
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predated the Mothman sightings by ten years. What so these owls are just like
fuckers. Yeah, and they liketo rip people's hair. It's funny with
that Hopkinsville case because when you reallygo into the story, like I just
gave you, that's the cliff notesversion right there, right, the first
thing you think of if you're thinkingof an animal's owls, and then they
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flipped up into the trees, Well, owls living fucking trees. Yeah,
they were monkeys, owl monkeys,owl monkeys, monkeys. It's the only
explanation. Well, this is actuallygoing to end part two of our series
on Mothman. We have one morepart, good episode that was pretty an
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ultimate episode. Here comes our longclosing out of the episode. We would
like to thank you very on writerand researcher Stephanie Camember for all the hard
work and dedications she put into theseries On a Mothman. Now Here are
the resources we would like to thankfor our series. NCS dot eedu,
Wikipedia, Stacker, apt commic,screen Bank, Conservatory, YouTube, WV
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Explorer, US, Deadly Events,Rational, wikifcc dot gov, Daily,
Yondertelcom, History very well, Minecrypted's, NPR dot organ Cider Skipton Acquire,
Mothman Museum, all that interesting transportationdot WV dot gov, Timeline dot com,
in uforce dot orgonmufund dot com,and the articles and books by John
Kill The Mothman Prophecies, Disneyland ofthe Gods Are Haunted Planet, the kpe
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May Incident, the Great UFO WaveInterview, and the Man who invented Flang
Saucer and a Partridge in a PearTree. I did it fast that time
either, that's pretty I didn't.I didn't. I did not. But
obviously, if you want to getmore from us, don't forget. You
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or on YouTube, you will findthe links shown on the screen. Or
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Just flip, watch your phone,put your camera. Bam, there's all
the links for everything I just Ijust did a Blues Clues reference right there
for anybody did not know, andno notebook right uh. Next week our
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final part of moth Man yep No. Three parts. Three parts. That's
that's where we're going with this,um patrons. You're getting a brand new
episode on Wednesday. We are goingto be going into the screaming Schools of
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on this part two of moth Manas we actually dove deeper into moth Man
on this episode versus I'm glad.I'm glad that we did because it was
it was nice. It was interestinglearning the different for witness stories and all
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that stuff, and you know,people getting attacked by crypted owls. It
turns out, Yeah, today Ilearned that owls look like moths who do
Yeah, Well, I mean ifyou look at Mothman, he resembles an
owl like ye, the body,the talons, everything. Yeah, And
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obviously in part three will get moreinto Mothman himself as well and the Mothman
prophecies. So finishing out this seriesand then obviously after the Mothman series,
we're gonna be going back into anotherepisode of Side Crime and then you will
find out what that next series willbe after at the end of the episode
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of Side Crime. So there yougo. All right, well, I
think this is gonna cap it offerus on this episode of even the podcast,
As Afraid. Be sure to stayelbow deep. This podcast has been
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