July 31, 2022 • 50 mins
We discussed the the event that happened at the Sutton Family Farmhouse, where a terrified group saw invaders, strange creatures or aliens with oversized heads, talons, and yellowish eyes - that predated the Mothman sightings by 10 years. Now flash forward many years into the future and remove your paranormal (tin foil) hat and put on your sleuthing cap, as we discuss why Mothman could 100% be an owl.
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We ain't gonna stand even the podcastis Afraid. Welcome to even the Podcast
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is Afraid. I'm Jared and I'mhere with Nick and Sam, and we're
about to finish out our series onthe pesky moth Ma moth Man mouth Man.
This is not side sorry, pigeonman. That's the noise moths make.
We've established that, we have established. We have established, but obviously
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We are currently in the mk ultrasas is. This is recording. They'll
be there for eleven weeks of mYeah, good luck. But if you
want to keep up with new episodesand like what we're currently doing, like
this episode, Crime and Conspiracy iswhere you need to go to watch that
on demand. There you go.Keeping it short up front, because we
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got to finish out moth Man mothMan. Nobody's here to hear us.
Uh what weadre shoot the ship.I had eleven slices pizza today. I
thought they were you had one sevenslices, eleve eleven eleven, yes,
eleven, that's that's a large pizza. And two so a new pizza.
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Three a new pizza place opened intown and they were doing a thing three
ninety nine for a walking we're doinga thring like making pizza. Yeah,
making a pizza three dollars a nintnine cents for a small cheese or pepperoni
pizza. So my sister in lawwent and my wife, actually she ended
up getting four pizzas. It's onlysupposed to be two pizzas for person,
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but she brought her sixteen month oldor eighteen month igotli is he's less than
two years old son in and like, yeah, he cancels a person.
So she got four pizzas. SoI ate like seven slices there, and
then we went to the zoo andthen we went swimming and everything, and
all the way home, Liza waslike, do you want to just get
the pizza again? I'm like okay. Literally they ran out a pizza,
but we got two more pizzas andI had four slices so I'm over here
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thinking that you had eleven slices andone sitting. Oh, but I did
have seven slices of one sitting.Could you eat a whole large pizza about
yourself, nick in one sitting?Could I? Yes? Do I know,
because I feel bad about myself.Oh no, I don't. I
will yeah, I Oh my god, put a pizza hut, large supreme
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pizza in front of me, andI will annihilate that bit. She's just
so bready too, Like it depends. It depends on the pizza because if
this was just like a pepperoni andlater we just got a cheese pizza New
York sal Pizza because they're thin,I could eat a whole thing. You
know they have a thin crusted pizzahut. Sam, No, I know
they do. But their cheese smellsweird. I don't like pizza weird.
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It doesn't get out, you getout of here. Okay, that's fine.
What smell It smells like syrup syrup. That's racist. It like a
pizza hut in the back of afucking wall. No, she's saying,
I smell like no, not pizzahut. I told Nikki, smells like
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syruc because he was like, oh, you smell terrible. It's like you
smell like syrup. Okay, it'swonderful. That's supposed to be a Canadian
joke. Yeah, yeah, it'sit's racist. Racist. This is between
between me and Nick. Okay,but no pizza cheese smells weird. Change
my mind, change my mind.Believe me, you're not hurting my feelings
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because I will eat again and againmore pizza hut for us. That's wide.
You can have all of that nastycheese. It's fine. All right,
Well, let's get off to thepizza subject and let's get into some
Mothman. Are y'all ready to jumpback into our final episode of this series.
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When we last left off, wediscussed the event that happened at the
Sutton family farmhouse or a terrified groupof saw terrified group saw invaders, strange
creatures or aliens with oversized heads,talents, and yellowish eyes that predated the
Mothman sightings by ten years. Iwonder how many people, how many slice
of pizza the Mothman can eat onesitting? I'd see probably a whole large
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man. Yeah, maybe two.Yeah. I was gonna say, like
at least twenty slices at least,I'll challenge him to an eating contest.
But would you would be cool,Joey Chestnut? Maybe? Maybe? Now
flash forward many years into the futureand remove your hairinormal tinfoil hat and put
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on your sleuthing cap. In twothousand and three, Michael Peterson was convicted
of murdering his wife. He wassaid to have attacked her with a fireplace
tool, causing blunt forced trauma toher head and causing her to fall or
pushing her down the stairs. Yeah, that'll do it. It was moth
Man. Y'all know the Michael Petersoncase, right, No, the author
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Michael Peterson. You'll fucking serious rightnow? Yes, dead serious, dead
serious. I mean the Michael Petersoncase. There's documentaries on that case.
There's I might have, maybe Ihave. I'm like, but yeah,
maybe it's not one of the firstones that come to buy where I think
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of murder cases. Yeah, I'mgonna assume he murdered his wife with the
fireplace tool and then pushed her downthe stairs. Well, there's evidence that
maybe he didn't. So here weSo what you're telling me is that Mothman
pushed her down the stairs maybe,or it was just like a horrible accident.
She tripped and fell hit the fireplacetool and then she's like, oh,
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my head, and then she wentto look for help and fell down
the stairs. It was just abad coincidence. How in the funk would
that happen? She fell onto thefireplace steak thing. Yeah, that'll make
no sense, Nick, could happen? It could. But in two thousand
and eight, his neighbor Larry Pollardput forward the theory that Kathleen had been
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the victim of an attack by abarred owl. Yes, there is there
is legitimately an owl theory for herdeath, and it makes actually a lot
of sense. Oh my goddess.They're common around Durham, North Carolina,
where the Peterson's lived, and there'sa lot of examples of them attacking people
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by dive bombing the head. Can'tremember was she okay? Was she outside
or was she inside? Because I'mthinking this fell down the stairs of like
the inside of her. There wasa lot of blood. I've seen the
crime scene photos. Yeah, inthe documentaries I've watched, they show them.
It is a ton of blood.I locked there's there's but it's all
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centered around the bottom of the stairs. Okay, so she fell like she
cracked her head open or whatever.Possibly, Yes, yeah, there's a
show I forgot. It got canceled, but it was a funny show.
John Lithgow was in the first seasonand essentially, um, it was a
show where this guy's wrongfully like he'son trial for the murder of his wife.
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And the guy's innocent, but hejust like says things that makes it
sound like he's guilty. Like it'sa comedy, right, and it's like
a small town and so like thisbig New York City lawyer comes in and
he helps them. The whole townslike backwards and it's like everything. So
anyways, it turns out at theend that it was something so I don't
off was a barn owl, butit was a bird that flew in through
the window and hit her and shedied or something like that. We'll see
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that this is this here there thereis a lot of people on the camp
that he killed her, and there'sa lot of people on the camp that
it was an owl. Yeah,so it says Pollard said that what might
have happened is that either the owlgot into the Peterson house got spooked by
Kathleen walking into the bedroom, attackedher and caused her to fall down the
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stairs, or that she was attackedwhile in the front garden out of earshot
of Michael, then attempted to walkup the stairs before collapsing down them.
So my theory was kind of right, yeah, yes, Now, in
the documentary that I watched with thatMichael Peterson case, he supposed he was
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at the pool. Well, theirpull was not right outside. You had
to walk out, walk down thehill get to get to their pool.
It was far. Okay, itwas far. They're saying that she possibly
was in the little garden outside,got attacked by the owl. The owl
attacked her on the head. Shewas probably screaming for him or something of
that nature. Walked into the house, blood all over, right, walks
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up going up the stairs. Whyshe went up the stairs, I don't
know. Went up there and thencollapsed, fell down the stairs, hit
her head and then well, Imean, if you look at owl's talents
and their beaks, and oh yeah, they could put a serious hurting on
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you. So all the blood andstuff, it kind of makes makes a
little sense. The re examination ofthe evidence in two thousand and nine seemed
to back up the idea. Kathleenwas found to have a microscopic feather and
a sliver of wood from a treelimb called up in a clump of her
hair in her hand that had beenpulled out by their roots from her head.
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Interesting, shit, very weird.So we know that we got the
feather, he said. We knowthat it happened late at night. We
know that there was a small woodenslither recovered that was determined to be a
tree limb. However, the SBIcrime Lab did not examine the feathers.
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They assumed that these feathers didn't haveanything to do with thee everything. Are
you kidding yea, yeah. Hewas put on trial from murder. Oh
shit, shit, damn that sucks, and three new affidavits submitted to the
court three expert witness backed up theowl theory. Doctor Patrick T. Reddick,
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professor of veterinary medicine at the Universityof Minnesota, said the proposed attack
was entirely within the behavioral repertoire orof large owls. Wow. Wow,
that's crazy. Yeah. And that'sthe thing too, is like you said,
with the talents now an'l attacks yourhead and starts ripping flesh off your
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body. Yeah, you're gonna haveblood fucking everywhere. Yeah, it's gonna
be right gruesome. So it doesmake It does make sense that if she
went inside. Let's say she hadblood all over. It's coming in your
eyes right right, kid, you'rewalking up the stairs. You're trying to
go up the stairs. Maybe you'retrying to get up there to get a
towel something. Maybe she was losinga bunch of blood. Maybe she got
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up there, she slipped and fell, yeah, right. Or from the
law, she fit like you said, she faded at the top of the
stairs and that was like it.Or it could be the possibility and al
did get into the house. Yeahyeah. In another the neurosurgeon al expert
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and former US Navy surgeon doctor AlanVan Norman endorsed the theory on the basis
that the wounds on Kathleen's scalp looklike they came from a pair of three
talent feet rather than a blunt instrument. The multiple wounds present suggest to me
that an owl and miss Peterson somehowbecame entangled. Perhaps the owl got tangled
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in her hair, or perhaps shegrabbed the owl's foot. There are some
holes in the theory obviously. Didthey not check the potential weapon for blood?
Yeah, this is the thing.The poker was actually found, the
firestick poker was actually found in thebasement. So there you have to watch
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the documentary because the case really servesaround it was like you really don't know,
Like you're sitting here thinking, Okay, yeah, it's possible that an
owl did do this, and it'shighly possible that Michael Peterson killed his wife.
Well did you know the weapon?Did it have blood? Didn't have
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anything? Did they check for it? I can't remember. I can's my
theory. Um, the dude hiredthe owl to kill his wife. Assassination
by owl, yep. I meanthat would be pretty smart though, I
mean, what do you do painand mice? Yes, yep. But
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it is the theory. The owltheory is very plausible. So when you
watch there's a really good documentary onthe case on Netflix. Actually that really
that really really goes deep into bothsides. All he needed that sliver of
doubt when you bring it to ajury, all he needs that sliver of
doubt. I can't remember. Idon't think he was convicted if I'm if
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I'm not mistaken, or he gota very small sentence, I can't remember.
Yeah, might have been what itwas it made. I think it
had some time served. I cannotremember. I don't think he didn't go
to prison for a lot. IfI do know that, what about the
owl? If the owl go toprison, yes, because it was supporting
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to them. The owl had nothingto do with it. Remember, the
feathers are not part of this case. Damn. So it is likely that
mothman was an owl, and ifso, it wouldn't be the first or
last time an owl was mistaken foran other worldly creature. And owls they
do attack people. Anyone attacks,will attack like any animal will attack if
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they they feel you're threatening them.Yeah, it's just like if you're in
the lake, if you're a man, don't go into the lake butt naked
because a fish may mistake you're dickworm. Oh nice attack, and you
would not have a very good night. I don't know, really, I
guess it depends if the person individuallights the fish. Now, if it's
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an alligator gar no, you'd probablyreally up. Yeah, it would not
be a good day. The storyof the guy who like Peed in some
river in Africa and a fish likeswam up his urethra. Oh yeah,
and they're known there. It's atype of fish that's like no for that,
isn't it. Yeah, I sawit on river monsters. Yeah,
because I always thought it was anurban legend, right. But was he
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was he in the water? Hewas in the water, Yes, swim
up penis. That would be impressive, it's amazing. No, No,
he was like in the water,wading in the water. He I don't
think he was swimming. Then youknow, he peered and a fish swam
up it and yeah, it waslike a pretty large a large and he
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tried to like pull it out,but it was like stuck. Yeah.
No, he said. It waslike the most painful experience. So they
had to like they have like thefit they have the like it's preserved,
it's dead, but it's preserved.I'm just like, it wasn't fully in
but it was mostly in. Yeah. That makes my stomach hurt. I
don't even have one, and thatmakes me hurt. I mean, it
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could happen to women too. Oh, I'm sure it can, but I
mean I got a pehle wold havegone further. I mean we do.
Yeah, Nope. Moving on Kill'sbook, and the entire legend does not
end there. He claims that residentsof Point Pleasant experience other oddities during the
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thirteen months. Of course they're worthytoken men in Black sidings, he injured,
cold sidings, and encounters strange aerialphenomenon, unusual poulter Geist like activity,
electronic interferences related to radios CBS,telephones and lights inside houses flickering or
going off. Strange cars were recordedin conjunction with the men in Black.
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Okay, see, like a lotof these things can be explained away.
Interference to radios CB something like thatwe're I've been like us alerts on my
phone that like we're getting solar stormsor whatever that can disrupt power grids or
whatever. And I know, likebecause I work in television, and there
were times, especially in March,like when the when it's spring, um
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like just around daylight savings and oursatellites will just lose connection for like fifteen
minutes because of a solar storm,and it's like there's nothing you can do.
You just gotta wait for it topass. So things back then were
even less protected. Any it waseasier to interfere with things. Again.
Things are now more regulated with theFCC and whatever. They have to be
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compliant and Whatnotum flashing lights. Mywife lived in the house when she was
in school and there was an electricalproblem after a storm and whatever. They
would use their washing machine, thekitchen lights would flicker. That's creepy.
Yeah, not a ghost. Somethingjust got like no, no, they
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actually get like this town had tocome in and be like, oops,
it's got partially disconnected from a carefulreading of Kills books. Not just Mothman
is mentioned in our Men in Blackseries. We see a sense of the
time in which they were written,with him referring to MBS his oriental look.
That's canceled. And there are severalinstances in which people who claim to
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have received some of these mysterious phonecalls mentioned weird accents. Well, those
are just Bostonians. Bostonians, peoplefrom Boston. I knew what you meant.
I knew what you meant. Thephone calls can be easily described as
wrong numbers. This was during thetime of operators with plugs and cables connecting
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calls getting wires crossed as absolutely anexplanation in rural areas such as the aforementioned
phone call received by a woman inOregon residing in a town with just three
hundred occupants, if you remember thatfrom part one, and these weird calls.
In West Virginia, we have tworural areas with mostly and I will
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say this again, mostly white populationin the nineteen sixties. There is a
great chance that got a wrong callfrom someone and declared it as weird because
well, culturally embedded whiteness breeds ignorance, does it? It can? I
mean, if you live in atown with only white people, right,
and you don't hear different languages andstuff, and then suddenly, you know,
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you get this phone call and somebodyspeaking Spanish or Chinese or Japanese whatever,
like what the fuck? Yeah,you're gonna be like, what the
fuck is this? So in theirminds, aliens as in immigrants are literal
aliens, yep. But I thinkthat could go in any way, right,
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I think if any town is moreone race or the other, yeah,
I mean it could go either way, right. Well, Like,
look at these tribes as of like, you know, the tribes that are
like here and there, like inthese islands, you're not they're protected and
all that stuff. You're not reallysupposed to mess with them. I mean,
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look at them. If they seeone of us, like, yeah,
they're gonna be like, well,what the fuck. They're gonna kill
you. They're gonna kill you.My buddy or my buddy lived in Japan
for your first school and first off, he's over six feet tall. Um,
so he said he got a lotof weird looks when who was living
there. Also, apparently they're veryracist. They would say to him in
Japanese, get out of our country. But he went to school for like
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business, but he obviously learned Japanesetoo. It really depends where you are
in Japan. Oh, he waslooking like Tokyo or Okker are all that's
common around toky Yeah, yeah,yeah, damn yeah. I'm not saying
all Japanese people are racist, butI'm trying to make the point that historically
it's not just it's exactly interesting fact, there were already several mobile phone services
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in existence in the nineteen sixties.Radio Common Carrier or RCC was a service
introduced to the nineteen sixties by independenttelephone companies to compete against atnt s,
I, MTS, RCC systems usedpaired UHF for four fifty four, four
fifty nine Mega hurts uh and VHNo, it's not mega hurts. What
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is that? Yeah? Meahur hurtsthat's what. Yeah, I just make
it hurts yet or is it metahurts. It's Mega hurts okay, and
VHF one fifty two, one fiftyeight Mega hurts frequencies dearer those used by
IMTS. RCC based services were provideduntil the nineteen eighties, when cellular amps
systems made RCC equipped but obsolete.There was a lot of acronyms and numbers.
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It was a lot. Basically,they had a service of a cell
phone in the nineteen sixties. Itbecame obsolete when we got better cell phones
in the eighties. So here here'shere's a fun fact that would also explain
to like all the weird like outagesexactly. And the thing too is like
some of the lower band like backin antenna days there was thirteen channels,
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but there was also like I thinkit was UHF, which was like a
lower frequency, but it also kindof mixed in with the radio frequencies,
so you get some weird, weirdinterference and even not not anymore because there's
no more analog antenna. But upuntil like a year ago, there even
some stations that you could some TVstations you could watch on TV and listen
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to on the radio. Yeah,but yeah, those are now gone because
it's everything's digital antenna now. Sosome RCC systems were designed to allow customers
of adjacent carriers carriers to use theirfacilities, but equipment used by RCCs did
not allow the equivalent of modern roamingbecause technical standards were not uniform. For
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example, the phone of an Omaha, Nebraska based RCC service would not be
likely to work in Phoenix, Arizona, or in the case of Canada,
Roger's phone just will stop working becausesomeone tried to update something one time and
to cause the entire country didn't nothave cell service. Roaming was not encouraged
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in part because there was no centralizedindustry billing database for RCCs. Signaling formats
were not standardized. Prior to nineteenseventy three, mobile telephony was limited to
phones installed in cars and other vehicles. Yeah, it's like what I was
what I was saying like in theprevious episodes, as things weren't as regulated
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then as they are now, soyou would have these like cross signals.
Now I'm assuming it's the same inthe States, but here with the CRTC
is like they'll like release two towersor whatever, and they'll release two signals,
and the companies have to bid onthe signals. They get like a
band of signals, and obviously,like the bigger ones are going to at
the better ones, like when fivegenes. Actually remember the phone in the
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cars, because when I was akid, I remember we had a Bonneville.
Oh god, which is a carby the way, a Bonneville a
car, and it had one ofthose phones like that in it. We
also had a band that had that. We didn't have that. Yeah.
My parents actually way back when theyshared a cell phone and then eventually they
each got their own cell phone,and then now everyone has a cell phone.
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We were not allowed to use thephone in the Bonneville because it was
very Yes, it's like they charged. Remember remember when airplanes had the phone's
built in. Yeah, they werelike ten bucks a minute or something stupid,
because it is not We'll just imaginehow tough it is to make a
phone call from an airplane. Ohyeah, motor rolla was the first company
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to produce a handheld mobile phone.On April third, nineteen seventy three,
Martin Cooper, a motor roll ofresearcher and executive, made the first mobile
telephone call from handheld subscriber equipment,placing a call to doctor Joel s Ingle
of Bail Lambs, his rival.That's pretty cool. What's up, bit,
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guess what I'm calling me? Madea mobile phone. I'm calling you
from minus. I what a dickmove, though, He was like,
you know what, you know thefirst phone, that's a chad move.
That's what. That's a chat itis, Guy's a total chat. That's
what. That's what I say.Right. It's funny to me because it's
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like, you know, he picksup the phone and says, Hello,
what's up, bitch? Guess whatsuck these nuts? Click? That's it.
I remember I had a I guessnow I look back at it.
My music teacher is kind of aboomer. Um no, he is a
boomer like he's boomerang. But Iwasn't in this particular music class. But
a bunch of people left his musicclass after because he was. He went
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into like a whole rant about howyoung people don't need cell phone, and
everyone's like, well, what Ilike, if I'm driving and like something
happens with my car, I'll justuse a payphone. Yeah, now there's
no I was going to say,this is what this was like the late
two thousands, and pay phones werestill a thing, just not no really
yeah barely still a thing. No, they just removed the last pay phone
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I think in New York heard aboutthat. I used a pay phone a
few years ago, because um,they don't work here. They may have
been here late two thom up,they ain't got no. Yeah, So
what happened was I see him everynow and then, but they don't work.
I was. I was at Liza'sparents house and we're going to brunch
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and I had to go to workafter. But I left my phone at
their house because it needed to chargefor some reason. I decided to just
leave it there and start taking oh, because I was The assumption was I
was going to go back and getget my phone or whatever, right,
But then what happened is, ohgod, what was it? Liza was
at some kind of cool thing andher car was yeah, her car was
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like getting fixes done. So itwas me and like I yeah, me
and like Eliza's mom and sister orwhatever went to the place to eat,
and then Liza's dad met us therein Liza's car. And then after her
dad's like, oh, you canjust take Liza's car with you home,
I'm like, sure, they'll problem, Like we're gonna go to the flea
market. So, like I hadthe key to their house and everything.
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Here's the problem. I left mykeys at their house because I wasn't driving
because I was taking going with Liza'smom. My phone was in the house
because because I was charging it.My work pass was at the house because
I'm like, oh, I'm gonnago back and get it. So I
had to go to a pay phoneto call Liza, and I left a
message being like, hey, Ihave your phone or I have your car.
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I'm bringing it with me to work. Please bring everything when you get
to your home. Please take mycar to work and pick up your car.
The fact that you even found apay phone is a miracle. Is
that a gas station? So yeah, jeez. Other My plan B was
I was going to go to work, going to Facebook and just messenger on
Facebook and just be like, yeah, I have a car at work,
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please come or just call her fromthe phone at work. Right, I
can't done that too, Yes,I even pain the pay phone was the
only option, the only right option. Yes. While these mobile services aren't
mentioned in the book, it isimportant to understand that there are and we're
a lot of things in existence thatwe simply do not know and or understand.
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Phone interruptions can be attributed to literallyanything. Well, I think what
happens with people is they're just tryingto find like something to blame something.
Well, it's something unusual, it'snot normal, so therefore it must be
something other worldly. Yeah. Themen in Black sidings refer back to our
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very long series on MK Ultra couldhave been government agents looking for people to
dose with LSD. This is allcleverly referenced in the comic book series The
Department of Truth. The fictional comicbook series discusses a different conspiracy theory and
actual conspiracies in each issue. Inthe issue on MK Ultra, Injured Cold
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is mentioned. If you've never seenthis comic book series, it's actually quite
good. There's also a few ofthe issues well, I guess, yeah,
Urban Legend of Polybius, the videogame arcade, Yes, where people
thought it was like a mind controlthing. It was part of mk ultra.
They did an episode on the aftershowon again Polybius. Yep, the
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men in black signings could have alsobeen well dressed immigrants who would seem to
rule residents to be literal aliens.And if it's not as if you have
culture isn't infested with racism, justflip on an episode of A Aliens and
you can see the general general logic. Non white cultures are almost always the
recipients of the Aliens did it theories. That's what always bugged me about the
show. Not I never saw itas racist, but I guess sass in
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one censure, it was just likeI always just thought, it's like,
you know, it as racists either. Yeah, I just saw it as
they don't believe that these cultures couldhave done this. Yeah, it's like
just because they didn't have the technologiesyou do, doesn't mean they weren't smart,
Like they weren't just walking around likeidiots, you know, like you
know, falling into fires. Becauseright, and let's look at the general
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psychology of influence and hysteria. Talesof the alleged Fresno Nightcrawler or at first
limited to the Fresno Nightcrawler. Soonafterwards a lot of other reports of Nightcrawlers
came Flooding in one signing influences thepossibility of other signings, whether or not
the original one was real, andit also encourages hoaxers who want money,
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fame, and attention. Do y'all know what the Fresno Nightcrawler is or
the Nightcrawler? No, but Iassume it's racist. No, it looks
like these crypti. It is aracist. It's a creature that has these
extremely long legs but a tiny bodylike with a small head. Like it's
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like, here's the body and legs. Yeah, it's like a spider type
type thing. No, it's ontwo legs. Oh what the fuck?
Yeah, just look at up.Look at the next time. Get up.
Look at it. It's called theFresno Nightcrawler or Nightcrawlers. I mean
they're they're they're a famous cryptid.They're actually on my list to do a
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series one. Oh you know what, Sorry, it's the COVID. Those
look like resident evil enemies, right, yeah, that should look it looks
like something straight out of Silent Hill, Like, I'm yeah, that is
so weird. Four people see ascary thing at night and tell others.
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Just the act of telling others aboutan event colors their perception of it,
and it puts people on edge.Now, when they see something out of
the corner of their eye, orsee something reflective in the distance, they
tie it to the report. Itssigning. Hysteria spreads like virus spreads like
viruses. Viruses. That is dirt. Thank you, Nick, You're welcome.
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If you go into a house,an ordinary house, and everything is
cool, then the owner tells youthis house is haunted. Now, all
of a sudden, it feels differently, doesn't It's true, of course,
it's true. It's like it's likethe backmasked songs that are you know,
everyone's like, oh, it sayshandld satan if you play that was all
over Twitter today. Satan two pointzero is satan? What satanic? St
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Panic two point zero is starting?What's satan? Satan? Panic? Now?
Stupid shit? Nick? Is itlike things in music? It was
basically one website. I'm not goingto say what the website was. Pornhub
basically stated it was not pornhub.Pornhub would not do such things. This
is talking about that. Basically,games like board games or fictional role playing
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game Dungeons and Dragons are basically terriblefor young generation. Why yeah, because
they want to have fun. Itliterally sounds like satanic. There was a
satanic panic thing on Dungeons and Dragonsalready, like in the early nineties or
late eighties. That was part ofthe big hysteria with the background. Oh
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you know, I wonder, Iwonder if if if because you know,
like stranger things and stuff came outand that with Dungeons and Dragons it's getting
popular. So I would just letyou know it was a religious website.
Oh well, no, shit,Yeah, that's fucking stupid. The Akham's
Razor solution, the simplest solution isusually the correct one, is that Mothman
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was an owl and that the otherassociated phenomena were due to mistaken identity associated
with underlying fear of immigrants, aswell as glitchy electronic systems were all to
blame. But that should not stopyou from reading Kills books and being absolutely
terrified, because even if it isfiction, it's still interesting. Yeah.
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The site Stacker has a list ofthe states, including DC, with the
highest number of UFO sightings. Usingdata from well National UFO Reporting Center new
FORK new form twenty four to sevenhotline, which has been around since nineteen
seventy four, Stacker compiled a rankingof the states with the most reported UFO
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sightings. New FORKS data set includesreportings dating back to the fourteen hundreds,
So anybody can call this hotline andjust say, hey, I saw something.
Yeah, but they like verify too, they would they would like try
to vary, like you can't,just like I found I saw a UFO.
And if keep in mind that itis possible that you see a unidentified
flying object, which is like,right, just military equipment or something,
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right, Because like in when wewere doing our MK Ultrust series, we
were talking about that UFO doesn't alwaysmean alien. Yeah, just means it
just means that you didn't know whatthe fuck was in the air at the
time. Yeah, yeah, it'sunidentified. That was the Men in Black
series or Men in Black I'm sorry. Yeah. West Virginia comes in at
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number forty out of fifty one.It lists UFO signings at six hundred and
twenty one, but no exact dateof when this count began. For comparison,
DC comes in at fifty one witha total of eighty seven reported signings.
Again, no exact date of whenthis count begin Also apps and on
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the stacker side, is any indicationof how reports are canagorized or vetted.
That info is probably on the NewFort website. That's a whole other rabbit
hole to go through. So Iwould think that in twenty one side,
I would think that number one wouldbe like one that's close to a military
base, so like New Mexico,that area, um DC being last is
(36:23):
no surprise because I imagine, youknow, all of those government buildings are
like restricted airspace. So and keepin mind that most UFOs are legit aircraft
that regular people are just like,I don't know what that is, but
if they are military, they're definitelynot going to fly over the White House.
That's illegal. You don't even allowhaving a drone in DC. That
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makes sense, Yeah, well itmakes sense. Well well yeah, well
yeah yeah, but I mean likeI didn't think that you could. I
thought you can have one, youjust can't fly it over Like okay,
yes, you're right, no,my under So there was a guy the
Leafs a few years ago who playedon the Capital Rushta Capitals. Then he
got trade to the leaves and he'slike, oh, I'm so excited to
be here. Now I can usemy drone's Like I got on to DC.
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I wanted to get into drones,but a drone realized they couldn't use
it. Some places do have thembanned. Yeah, Like that's completely understandable,
Like yeah, well yeah, Capital. Yeah. The issue with the
North Fork side is noticeable immediately afirst glance. First the untrained eye,
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how would one know if it's astarlink satellite or venus? And on the
other side, how exactly do theyknow which reports are hoaxes or Joe?
Oh wait, so they don't evenlike vet them. You can just call
it okay, so you can hotlineand just be like I saw something in
the air over the White House,and then you just cause an international incident.
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Joe Biden water call away to thesafe room, or some drunk Southerner
calls in and says, I'll seesomething fly on through the woods. There's
blanket on and all, sir haveyou, that's probably a firefly. This
reporting system appears to be similar tothat of THEIRS the vaccine Adverse Event Reporting
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system, in which pretty much everyonecan submit their experiences. While the various
system has real world used for doctorsand professionals, it has become a haven
for insane anti vaxers. So youcan see how an open reporting system can
be abused and misused. See Iremember when I got my first COVID shot.
Um, I had the ships afterHowever, however, I also had
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Burger King and apparently the Burger KingI want to I found this out recently.
Is known you have like fucking maggotsin their food or some shit.
So I probably had some like disgustingfood after. Yeah, I would never
eat Burger King after that. Everagain, Oh no, it's just I
love Burger Care. It's just thatone spe I don't eat Burger King at
all because burger Burger King's fantastic.Burger King is. But you know what
(39:00):
I had yesterday and wuking. Ohyeah, okay, Well, if we're
getting into the best hamburgers, we'regonna have to go to water Burger.
I never had a water Burger becausethere's only like, I don't even think
there's any in Canada. Probably not, No, I know Sam's had it.
Oh yeah, yeah, they're allover Florida. Yeah, it's good,
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but it's not my favorite though.I'm sorry. That's okay, this
is an other show topic. Wegotta do. We have to do a
fast food burger, a fast foodtier list we do. Yeah, we
could do that. We could doit, but we have to restrict it
to restaurants that are in both countries. So like, I can't be like,
oh, yes, you know,Harvey's has the best burger. You're
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like, what the fuck is that? Oh no, you don't know.
Yeah, we don't have no Harveys. Yeah, we don't have a Harvey
The moffa on website. Mutual UFONetwork state similar guidelines for the reporting section,
but does but does so with videosto demonstrate what the saddle lights look
like. That's fair. That isfair. I like that. The ultimate
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point here is that statistics about UFOsignings can be difficult to navigate because of
this self reporting style. It isalso to keep in mind that the UFO
does not mean alien space crime.It means, quite literally, unidentified flying
object. A swarm of insects isthe right weather and lighting conditions can be
a UFO. It's funny because Idid not know that was in there when
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I mentioned a firefly. It couldbe a kite for all you know.
The Green Bank Observatory and Green Bank, West Virginia is a premier location for
scientists who make it their work tostudy extraterrestrial life okay, and star mapping,
supernovas, and other more generalized scientificresearch by documenting documenting energy waves from
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hundreds of light years away into computersby a giant radio telescope with many signals
so faint they're easily drowned out byan ambient noise. These scientists divide by
the National Radio Cuient Zone, acode of science that bars normal everyday tech
devices so they can conduct their workwithout interference. Apparently there's this tech I
think this might be the same placewhere they're not allowed having broadband internet everything.
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They're still dial up because they correctbecause the signals from your modem can
fuck up the very the modem.It's the WiFi. Yeah that can care
route. Yeah that can cause they'revery sensitive equipment. And yeah, something
like you're not even allowed having cellphones, which is just wild. I
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would die. Well, you've gottons of Wi Fi coming out of that
waves. I would die. Here'ssome more interesting fun facts. The National
Radio Quient Zone was established by theFederal Communications Commission, which is the FCC
and docket number one one seven fourfive on November nineteen, nineteen fifty eight,
to minimize possible harmful interference in theNational Radio Astronomy Observatory and Green Bank,
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West Virginia and the radio receiving facilitiesfor the United States Navy in Sugar
Grove, West Virginia. It enclosesa land area of approximately thirteen thousand square
miles near the state border between Virginiaand West Virginia. So they did have
the FCC then, it just itprobably wasn't the probably at the FEC like
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in the twenties, like even probablyeven earlier. Well it said nineteen fifty
eight was created. Okay, Thethirteen thousand square miles of this area disallows
cell phones, Wi Fi radios.Quite a bit of a difficult ass for
this day and age, but plentyof people are able to live their lives
within this region by doing what jackingoff. Nick probably have a lot of
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kids. They probably have a tonof kids. Yeah, jacking off to
log it takes to download porn ondial up that they're just sucking each other.
Yea sears cattle. Oh wait,that doesn't exist anymore. But they
are doing stuff. They're getting drunk, they're having parties. This is like
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Atmore, Alabama. Yeah, there'san obvious, legit reason for the lack
of technology in that area. Juston a hunch, we check to see
how close to Point Pleasant the observatoryis by car. Google Maps shows it
to be four hours and six minutesby current roads. Obviously it may have
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been longer back in the fifties andsixties. Right. While Point Pleasant is
far enough away from the observatory,remember that radio waves don't take roads.
Could there be a possibility that radiowaves from the observatory could be linked in
some way to the strange sightings andPoint Pleasant at that time? Maybe?
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Possibly, Again, we possess anneither the knowledge nor the capability of totally
understanding these things to a level thatwould pass as evidence, and most likely
the two have nothing to do witheach other. But it's a fun and
interesting element that also remains part ofWest Virginia's history. And we close with
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a joke, what was the lastthing the Mothman said? I'll be back
there you go. That ends ourseries on Mothman. We kind of helped
explain what it possibly is an owl, which it makes a lot of sense,
it really does, like especially fromthe sightings and everything that an owl
(44:37):
looks either an owl or immigrants.I'm going for owl. Okay, let's
see. My thing is is Ilove cryptos, I really do. Yeah,
And a lot of them can beexplained Mothman because they are Yeah,
(44:57):
because it's like, even though ifyou find out what it actually is,
you can still take the myth andthe legend and stuff and still yeah,
you know, make you know,have fun with it. That's what it's
all about. However, we wouldlike to thank our very own writer and
researcher, Stephanie Kemmer, for allof our hard work and dedications you put
into this series on Mothman. Wewould like to thank the resources used for
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our series. Here were people takea deep breath, n cees dot EEDU,
Wikipedia, Stacker, AFT, Comicscreen Bank, Conservatory, YouTube,
WV Explore US, Deadly Events,Rational, WIKIFCC, dot gov Daily Yonder,
telecom History, very well mined cryptids, MPR dot Org, Insider Skeptical
Inquire, Mothman Museum, all thatinteresting, transportation, dot WV, dot
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gov, Timeline, dot com NewForce, Our Newfork dot org, moufund
dot com, and the articles andbooks by John Kill The Mothman Prophecies,
Disneyland of the Gods, Our HauntedPlanet, The Kate May Incident, the
Great UFO Wave Interview, and theMan who invented flying saucerers. There we
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(48:45):
before we sign off here on thislast episode of moth Man, I could
go for some more pizza. Nice. I hope that I never get attacked
by random owl and fall down thestairs. You live in Florida. You
have much more to worry about thanan you do. Yes, well,
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got to finish out moth Man mothMan. Nobody's here to hear us.
Uh what weadre shoot the ship.I had eleven slices pizza today. I
thought they were you had one sevenslices, eleve eleven eleven, yes,
eleven, that's that's a large pizza. And two so a new pizza.
(01:55):
Three a new pizza place opened intown and they were doing a thing three
ninety nine for a walking we're doinga thring like making pizza. Yeah,
making a pizza three dollars a nintnine cents for a small cheese or pepperoni
pizza. So my sister in lawwent and my wife, actually she ended
up getting four pizzas. It's onlysupposed to be two pizzas for person,
(02:15):
but she brought her sixteen month oldor eighteen month igotli is he's less than
two years old son in and like, yeah, he cancels a person.
So she got four pizzas. SoI ate like seven slices there, and
then we went to the zoo andthen we went swimming and everything, and
all the way home, Liza waslike, do you want to just get
the pizza again? I'm like okay. Literally they ran out a pizza,
but we got two more pizzas andI had four slices so I'm over here
(02:38):
thinking that you had eleven slices andone sitting. Oh, but I did
have seven slices of one sitting.Could you eat a whole large pizza about
yourself, nick in one sitting?Could I? Yes? Do I know,
because I feel bad about myself.Oh no, I don't. I
will yeah, I Oh my god, put a pizza hut, large supreme
(03:00):
pizza in front of me, andI will annihilate that bit. She's just
so bready too, Like it depends. It depends on the pizza because if
this was just like a pepperoni andlater we just got a cheese pizza New
York sal Pizza because they're thin,I could eat a whole thing. You
know they have a thin crusted pizzahut. Sam, No, I know
they do. But their cheese smellsweird. I don't like pizza weird.
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It doesn't get out, you getout of here. Okay, that's fine.
What smell It smells like syrup syrup. That's racist. It like a
pizza hut in the back of afucking wall. No, she's saying,
I smell like no, not pizzahut. I told Nikki, smells like
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syruc because he was like, oh, you smell terrible. It's like you
smell like syrup. Okay, it'swonderful. That's supposed to be a Canadian
joke. Yeah, yeah, it'sit's racist. Racist. This is between
between me and Nick. Okay,but no pizza cheese smells weird. Change
my mind, change my mind.Believe me, you're not hurting my feelings
(04:06):
because I will eat again and againmore pizza hut for us. That's wide.
You can have all of that nastycheese. It's fine. All right,
Well, let's get off to thepizza subject and let's get into some
Mothman. Are y'all ready to jumpback into our final episode of this series.
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When we last left off, wediscussed the event that happened at the
Sutton family farmhouse or a terrified groupof saw terrified group saw invaders, strange
creatures or aliens with oversized heads,talents, and yellowish eyes that predated the
Mothman sightings by ten years. Iwonder how many people, how many slice
of pizza the Mothman can eat onesitting? I'd see probably a whole large
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man. Yeah, maybe two.Yeah. I was gonna say, like
at least twenty slices at least,I'll challenge him to an eating contest.
But would you would be cool,Joey Chestnut? Maybe? Maybe? Now
flash forward many years into the futureand remove your hairinormal tinfoil hat and put
(05:14):
on your sleuthing cap. In twothousand and three, Michael Peterson was convicted
of murdering his wife. He wassaid to have attacked her with a fireplace
tool, causing blunt forced trauma toher head and causing her to fall or
pushing her down the stairs. Yeah, that'll do it. It was moth
Man. Y'all know the Michael Petersoncase, right, No, the author
(05:34):
Michael Peterson. You'll fucking serious rightnow? Yes, dead serious, dead
serious. I mean the Michael Petersoncase. There's documentaries on that case.
There's I might have, maybe Ihave. I'm like, but yeah,
maybe it's not one of the firstones that come to buy where I think
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of murder cases. Yeah, I'mgonna assume he murdered his wife with the
fireplace tool and then pushed her downthe stairs. Well, there's evidence that
maybe he didn't. So here weSo what you're telling me is that Mothman
pushed her down the stairs maybe,or it was just like a horrible accident.
She tripped and fell hit the fireplacetool and then she's like, oh,
(06:18):
my head, and then she wentto look for help and fell down
the stairs. It was just abad coincidence. How in the funk would
that happen? She fell onto thefireplace steak thing. Yeah, that'll make
no sense, Nick, could happen? It could. But in two thousand
and eight, his neighbor Larry Pollardput forward the theory that Kathleen had been
(06:40):
the victim of an attack by abarred owl. Yes, there is there
is legitimately an owl theory for herdeath, and it makes actually a lot
of sense. Oh my goddess.They're common around Durham, North Carolina,
where the Peterson's lived, and there'sa lot of examples of them attacking people
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by dive bombing the head. Can'tremember was she okay? Was she outside
or was she inside? Because I'mthinking this fell down the stairs of like
the inside of her. There wasa lot of blood. I've seen the
crime scene photos. Yeah, inthe documentaries I've watched, they show them.
It is a ton of blood.I locked there's there's but it's all
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centered around the bottom of the stairs. Okay, so she fell like she
cracked her head open or whatever.Possibly, Yes, yeah, there's a
show I forgot. It got canceled, but it was a funny show.
John Lithgow was in the first seasonand essentially, um, it was a
show where this guy's wrongfully like he'son trial for the murder of his wife.
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And the guy's innocent, but hejust like says things that makes it
sound like he's guilty. Like it'sa comedy, right, and it's like
a small town and so like thisbig New York City lawyer comes in and
he helps them. The whole townslike backwards and it's like everything. So
anyways, it turns out at theend that it was something so I don't
off was a barn owl, butit was a bird that flew in through
the window and hit her and shedied or something like that. We'll see
(08:16):
that this is this here there thereis a lot of people on the camp
that he killed her, and there'sa lot of people on the camp that
it was an owl. Yeah,so it says Pollard said that what might
have happened is that either the owlgot into the Peterson house got spooked by
Kathleen walking into the bedroom, attackedher and caused her to fall down the
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stairs, or that she was attackedwhile in the front garden out of earshot
of Michael, then attempted to walkup the stairs before collapsing down them.
So my theory was kind of right, yeah, yes, Now, in
the documentary that I watched with thatMichael Peterson case, he supposed he was
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at the pool. Well, theirpull was not right outside. You had
to walk out, walk down thehill get to get to their pool.
It was far. Okay, itwas far. They're saying that she possibly
was in the little garden outside,got attacked by the owl. The owl
attacked her on the head. Shewas probably screaming for him or something of
that nature. Walked into the house, blood all over, right, walks
(09:24):
up going up the stairs. Whyshe went up the stairs, I don't
know. Went up there and thencollapsed, fell down the stairs, hit
her head and then well, Imean, if you look at owl's talents
and their beaks, and oh yeah, they could put a serious hurting on
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you. So all the blood andstuff, it kind of makes makes a
little sense. The re examination ofthe evidence in two thousand and nine seemed
to back up the idea. Kathleenwas found to have a microscopic feather and
a sliver of wood from a treelimb called up in a clump of her
hair in her hand that had beenpulled out by their roots from her head.
(10:09):
Interesting, shit, very weird.So we know that we got the
feather, he said. We knowthat it happened late at night. We
know that there was a small woodenslither recovered that was determined to be a
tree limb. However, the SBIcrime Lab did not examine the feathers.
(10:30):
They assumed that these feathers didn't haveanything to do with thee everything. Are
you kidding yea, yeah. Hewas put on trial from murder. Oh
shit, shit, damn that sucks, and three new affidavits submitted to the
court three expert witness backed up theowl theory. Doctor Patrick T. Reddick,
(10:52):
professor of veterinary medicine at the Universityof Minnesota, said the proposed attack
was entirely within the behavioral repertoire orof large owls. Wow. Wow,
that's crazy. Yeah. And that'sthe thing too, is like you said,
with the talents now an'l attacks yourhead and starts ripping flesh off your
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body. Yeah, you're gonna haveblood fucking everywhere. Yeah, it's gonna
be right gruesome. So it doesmake It does make sense that if she
went inside. Let's say she hadblood all over. It's coming in your
eyes right right, kid, you'rewalking up the stairs. You're trying to
go up the stairs. Maybe you'retrying to get up there to get a
towel something. Maybe she was losinga bunch of blood. Maybe she got
(11:35):
up there, she slipped and fell, yeah, right. Or from the
law, she fit like you said, she faded at the top of the
stairs and that was like it.Or it could be the possibility and al
did get into the house. Yeahyeah. In another the neurosurgeon al expert
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and former US Navy surgeon doctor AlanVan Norman endorsed the theory on the basis
that the wounds on Kathleen's scalp looklike they came from a pair of three
talent feet rather than a blunt instrument. The multiple wounds present suggest to me
that an owl and miss Peterson somehowbecame entangled. Perhaps the owl got tangled
(12:18):
in her hair, or perhaps shegrabbed the owl's foot. There are some
holes in the theory obviously. Didthey not check the potential weapon for blood?
Yeah, this is the thing.The poker was actually found, the
firestick poker was actually found in thebasement. So there you have to watch
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the documentary because the case really servesaround it was like you really don't know,
Like you're sitting here thinking, Okay, yeah, it's possible that an
owl did do this, and it'shighly possible that Michael Peterson killed his wife.
Well did you know the weapon?Did it have blood? Didn't have
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anything? Did they check for it? I can't remember. I can's my
theory. Um, the dude hiredthe owl to kill his wife. Assassination
by owl, yep. I meanthat would be pretty smart though, I
mean, what do you do painand mice? Yes, yep. But
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it is the theory. The owltheory is very plausible. So when you
watch there's a really good documentary onthe case on Netflix. Actually that really
that really really goes deep into bothsides. All he needed that sliver of
doubt when you bring it to ajury, all he needs that sliver of
doubt. I can't remember. Idon't think he was convicted if I'm if
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I'm not mistaken, or he gota very small sentence, I can't remember.
Yeah, might have been what itwas it made. I think it
had some time served. I cannotremember. I don't think he didn't go
to prison for a lot. IfI do know that, what about the
owl? If the owl go toprison, yes, because it was supporting
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to them. The owl had nothingto do with it. Remember, the
feathers are not part of this case. Damn. So it is likely that
mothman was an owl, and ifso, it wouldn't be the first or
last time an owl was mistaken foran other worldly creature. And owls they
do attack people. Anyone attacks,will attack like any animal will attack if
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they they feel you're threatening them.Yeah, it's just like if you're in
the lake, if you're a man, don't go into the lake butt naked
because a fish may mistake you're dickworm. Oh nice attack, and you
would not have a very good night. I don't know, really, I
guess it depends if the person individuallights the fish. Now, if it's
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an alligator gar no, you'd probablyreally up. Yeah, it would not
be a good day. The storyof the guy who like Peed in some
river in Africa and a fish likeswam up his urethra. Oh yeah,
and they're known there. It's atype of fish that's like no for that,
isn't it. Yeah, I sawit on river monsters. Yeah,
because I always thought it was anurban legend, right. But was he
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was he in the water? Hewas in the water, Yes, swim
up penis. That would be impressive, it's amazing. No, No,
he was like in the water,wading in the water. He I don't
think he was swimming. Then youknow, he peered and a fish swam
up it and yeah, it waslike a pretty large a large and he
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tried to like pull it out,but it was like stuck. Yeah.
No, he said. It waslike the most painful experience. So they
had to like they have like thefit they have the like it's preserved,
it's dead, but it's preserved.I'm just like, it wasn't fully in
but it was mostly in. Yeah. That makes my stomach hurt. I
don't even have one, and thatmakes me hurt. I mean, it
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could happen to women too. Oh, I'm sure it can, but I
mean I got a pehle wold havegone further. I mean we do.
Yeah, Nope. Moving on Kill'sbook, and the entire legend does not
end there. He claims that residentsof Point Pleasant experience other oddities during the
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thirteen months. Of course they're worthytoken men in Black sidings, he injured,
cold sidings, and encounters strange aerialphenomenon, unusual poulter Geist like activity,
electronic interferences related to radios CBS,telephones and lights inside houses flickering or
going off. Strange cars were recordedin conjunction with the men in Black.
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Okay, see, like a lotof these things can be explained away.
Interference to radios CB something like thatwe're I've been like us alerts on my
phone that like we're getting solar stormsor whatever that can disrupt power grids or
whatever. And I know, likebecause I work in television, and there
were times, especially in March,like when the when it's spring, um
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like just around daylight savings and oursatellites will just lose connection for like fifteen
minutes because of a solar storm,and it's like there's nothing you can do.
You just gotta wait for it topass. So things back then were
even less protected. Any it waseasier to interfere with things. Again.
Things are now more regulated with theFCC and whatever. They have to be
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compliant and Whatnotum flashing lights. Mywife lived in the house when she was
in school and there was an electricalproblem after a storm and whatever. They
would use their washing machine, thekitchen lights would flicker. That's creepy.
Yeah, not a ghost. Somethingjust got like no, no, they
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actually get like this town had tocome in and be like, oops,
it's got partially disconnected from a carefulreading of Kills books. Not just Mothman
is mentioned in our Men in Blackseries. We see a sense of the
time in which they were written,with him referring to MBS his oriental look.
That's canceled. And there are severalinstances in which people who claim to
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have received some of these mysterious phonecalls mentioned weird accents. Well, those
are just Bostonians. Bostonians, peoplefrom Boston. I knew what you meant.
I knew what you meant. Thephone calls can be easily described as
wrong numbers. This was during thetime of operators with plugs and cables connecting
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calls getting wires crossed as absolutely anexplanation in rural areas such as the aforementioned
phone call received by a woman inOregon residing in a town with just three
hundred occupants, if you remember thatfrom part one, and these weird calls.
In West Virginia, we have tworural areas with mostly and I will
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say this again, mostly white populationin the nineteen sixties. There is a
great chance that got a wrong callfrom someone and declared it as weird because
well, culturally embedded whiteness breeds ignorance, does it? It can? I
mean, if you live in atown with only white people, right,
and you don't hear different languages andstuff, and then suddenly, you know,
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you get this phone call and somebodyspeaking Spanish or Chinese or Japanese whatever,
like what the fuck? Yeah,you're gonna be like, what the
fuck is this? So in theirminds, aliens as in immigrants are literal
aliens, yep. But I thinkthat could go in any way, right,
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I think if any town is moreone race or the other, yeah,
I mean it could go either way, right. Well, Like,
look at these tribes as of like, you know, the tribes that are
like here and there, like inthese islands, you're not they're protected and
all that stuff. You're not reallysupposed to mess with them. I mean,
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look at them. If they seeone of us, like, yeah,
they're gonna be like, well,what the fuck. They're gonna kill
you. They're gonna kill you.My buddy or my buddy lived in Japan
for your first school and first off, he's over six feet tall. Um,
so he said he got a lotof weird looks when who was living
there. Also, apparently they're veryracist. They would say to him in
Japanese, get out of our country. But he went to school for like
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business, but he obviously learned Japanesetoo. It really depends where you are
in Japan. Oh, he waslooking like Tokyo or Okker are all that's
common around toky Yeah, yeah,yeah, damn yeah. I'm not saying
all Japanese people are racist, butI'm trying to make the point that historically
it's not just it's exactly interesting fact, there were already several mobile phone services
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in existence in the nineteen sixties.Radio Common Carrier or RCC was a service
introduced to the nineteen sixties by independenttelephone companies to compete against atnt s,
I, MTS, RCC systems usedpaired UHF for four fifty four, four
fifty nine Mega hurts uh and VHNo, it's not mega hurts. What
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is that? Yeah? Meahur hurtsthat's what. Yeah, I just make
it hurts yet or is it metahurts. It's Mega hurts okay, and
VHF one fifty two, one fiftyeight Mega hurts frequencies dearer those used by
IMTS. RCC based services were provideduntil the nineteen eighties, when cellular amps
systems made RCC equipped but obsolete.There was a lot of acronyms and numbers.
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It was a lot. Basically,they had a service of a cell
phone in the nineteen sixties. Itbecame obsolete when we got better cell phones
in the eighties. So here here'shere's a fun fact that would also explain
to like all the weird like outagesexactly. And the thing too is like
some of the lower band like backin antenna days there was thirteen channels,
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but there was also like I thinkit was UHF, which was like a
lower frequency, but it also kindof mixed in with the radio frequencies,
so you get some weird, weirdinterference and even not not anymore because there's
no more analog antenna. But upuntil like a year ago, there even
some stations that you could some TVstations you could watch on TV and listen
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to on the radio. Yeah,but yeah, those are now gone because
it's everything's digital antenna now. Sosome RCC systems were designed to allow customers
of adjacent carriers carriers to use theirfacilities, but equipment used by RCCs did
not allow the equivalent of modern roamingbecause technical standards were not uniform. For
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example, the phone of an Omaha, Nebraska based RCC service would not be
likely to work in Phoenix, Arizona, or in the case of Canada,
Roger's phone just will stop working becausesomeone tried to update something one time and
to cause the entire country didn't nothave cell service. Roaming was not encouraged
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in part because there was no centralizedindustry billing database for RCCs. Signaling formats
were not standardized. Prior to nineteenseventy three, mobile telephony was limited to
phones installed in cars and other vehicles. Yeah, it's like what I was
what I was saying like in theprevious episodes, as things weren't as regulated
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then as they are now, soyou would have these like cross signals.
Now I'm assuming it's the same inthe States, but here with the CRTC
is like they'll like release two towersor whatever, and they'll release two signals,
and the companies have to bid onthe signals. They get like a
band of signals, and obviously,like the bigger ones are going to at
the better ones, like when fivegenes. Actually remember the phone in the
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cars, because when I was akid, I remember we had a Bonneville.
Oh god, which is a carby the way, a Bonneville a
car, and it had one ofthose phones like that in it. We
also had a band that had that. We didn't have that. Yeah.
My parents actually way back when theyshared a cell phone and then eventually they
each got their own cell phone,and then now everyone has a cell phone.
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We were not allowed to use thephone in the Bonneville because it was
very Yes, it's like they charged. Remember remember when airplanes had the phone's
built in. Yeah, they werelike ten bucks a minute or something stupid,
because it is not We'll just imaginehow tough it is to make a
phone call from an airplane. Ohyeah, motor rolla was the first company
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to produce a handheld mobile phone.On April third, nineteen seventy three,
Martin Cooper, a motor roll ofresearcher and executive, made the first mobile
telephone call from handheld subscriber equipment,placing a call to doctor Joel s Ingle
of Bail Lambs, his rival.That's pretty cool. What's up, bit,
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guess what I'm calling me? Madea mobile phone. I'm calling you
from minus. I what a dickmove, though, He was like,
you know what, you know thefirst phone, that's a chad move.
That's what. That's a chat itis, Guy's a total chat. That's
what. That's what I say.Right. It's funny to me because it's
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like, you know, he picksup the phone and says, Hello,
what's up, bitch? Guess whatsuck these nuts? Click? That's it.
I remember I had a I guessnow I look back at it.
My music teacher is kind of aboomer. Um no, he is a
boomer like he's boomerang. But Iwasn't in this particular music class. But
a bunch of people left his musicclass after because he was. He went
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into like a whole rant about howyoung people don't need cell phone, and
everyone's like, well, what Ilike, if I'm driving and like something
happens with my car, I'll justuse a payphone. Yeah, now there's
no I was going to say,this is what this was like the late
two thousands, and pay phones werestill a thing, just not no really
yeah barely still a thing. No, they just removed the last pay phone
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I think in New York heard aboutthat. I used a pay phone a
few years ago, because um,they don't work here. They may have
been here late two thom up,they ain't got no. Yeah, So
what happened was I see him everynow and then, but they don't work.
I was. I was at Liza'sparents house and we're going to brunch
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and I had to go to workafter. But I left my phone at
their house because it needed to chargefor some reason. I decided to just
leave it there and start taking oh, because I was The assumption was I
was going to go back and getget my phone or whatever, right,
But then what happened is, ohgod, what was it? Liza was
at some kind of cool thing andher car was yeah, her car was
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like getting fixes done. So itwas me and like I yeah, me
and like Eliza's mom and sister orwhatever went to the place to eat,
and then Liza's dad met us therein Liza's car. And then after her
dad's like, oh, you canjust take Liza's car with you home,
I'm like, sure, they'll problem, Like we're gonna go to the flea
market. So, like I hadthe key to their house and everything.
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Here's the problem. I left mykeys at their house because I wasn't driving
because I was taking going with Liza'smom. My phone was in the house
because because I was charging it.My work pass was at the house because
I'm like, oh, I'm gonnago back and get it. So I
had to go to a pay phoneto call Liza, and I left a
message being like, hey, Ihave your phone or I have your car.
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I'm bringing it with me to work. Please bring everything when you get
to your home. Please take mycar to work and pick up your car.
The fact that you even found apay phone is a miracle. Is
that a gas station? So yeah, jeez. Other My plan B was
I was going to go to work, going to Facebook and just messenger on
Facebook and just be like, yeah, I have a car at work,
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please come or just call her fromthe phone at work. Right, I
can't done that too, Yes,I even pain the pay phone was the
only option, the only right option. Yes. While these mobile services aren't
mentioned in the book, it isimportant to understand that there are and we're
a lot of things in existence thatwe simply do not know and or understand.
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Phone interruptions can be attributed to literallyanything. Well, I think what
happens with people is they're just tryingto find like something to blame something.
Well, it's something unusual, it'snot normal, so therefore it must be
something other worldly. Yeah. Themen in Black sidings refer back to our
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very long series on MK Ultra couldhave been government agents looking for people to
dose with LSD. This is allcleverly referenced in the comic book series The
Department of Truth. The fictional comicbook series discusses a different conspiracy theory and
actual conspiracies in each issue. Inthe issue on MK Ultra, Injured Cold
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is mentioned. If you've never seenthis comic book series, it's actually quite
good. There's also a few ofthe issues well, I guess, yeah,
Urban Legend of Polybius, the videogame arcade, Yes, where people
thought it was like a mind controlthing. It was part of mk ultra.
They did an episode on the aftershowon again Polybius. Yep, the
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men in black signings could have alsobeen well dressed immigrants who would seem to
rule residents to be literal aliens.And if it's not as if you have
culture isn't infested with racism, justflip on an episode of A Aliens and
you can see the general general logic. Non white cultures are almost always the
recipients of the Aliens did it theories. That's what always bugged me about the
show. Not I never saw itas racist, but I guess sass in
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one censure, it was just likeI always just thought, it's like,
you know, it as racists either. Yeah, I just saw it as
they don't believe that these cultures couldhave done this. Yeah, it's like
just because they didn't have the technologiesyou do, doesn't mean they weren't smart,
Like they weren't just walking around likeidiots, you know, like you
know, falling into fires. Becauseright, and let's look at the general
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psychology of influence and hysteria. Talesof the alleged Fresno Nightcrawler or at first
limited to the Fresno Nightcrawler. Soonafterwards a lot of other reports of Nightcrawlers
came Flooding in one signing influences thepossibility of other signings, whether or not
the original one was real, andit also encourages hoaxers who want money,
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fame, and attention. Do y'all know what the Fresno Nightcrawler is or
the Nightcrawler? No, but Iassume it's racist. No, it looks
like these crypti. It is aracist. It's a creature that has these
extremely long legs but a tiny bodylike with a small head. Like it's
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like, here's the body and legs. Yeah, it's like a spider type
type thing. No, it's ontwo legs. Oh what the fuck?
Yeah, just look at up.Look at the next time. Get up.
Look at it. It's called theFresno Nightcrawler or Nightcrawlers. I mean
they're they're they're a famous cryptid.They're actually on my list to do a
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series one. Oh you know what, Sorry, it's the COVID. Those
look like resident evil enemies, right, yeah, that should look it looks
like something straight out of Silent Hill, Like, I'm yeah, that is
so weird. Four people see ascary thing at night and tell others.
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Just the act of telling others aboutan event colors their perception of it,
and it puts people on edge.Now, when they see something out of
the corner of their eye, orsee something reflective in the distance, they
tie it to the report. Itssigning. Hysteria spreads like virus spreads like
viruses. Viruses. That is dirt. Thank you, Nick, You're welcome.
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If you go into a house,an ordinary house, and everything is
cool, then the owner tells youthis house is haunted. Now, all
of a sudden, it feels differently, doesn't It's true, of course,
it's true. It's like it's likethe backmasked songs that are you know,
everyone's like, oh, it sayshandld satan if you play that was all
over Twitter today. Satan two pointzero is satan? What satanic? St
(32:53):
Panic two point zero is starting?What's satan? Satan? Panic? Now?
Stupid shit? Nick? Is itlike things in music? It was
basically one website. I'm not goingto say what the website was. Pornhub
basically stated it was not pornhub.Pornhub would not do such things. This
is talking about that. Basically,games like board games or fictional role playing
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game Dungeons and Dragons are basically terriblefor young generation. Why yeah, because
they want to have fun. Itliterally sounds like satanic. There was a
satanic panic thing on Dungeons and Dragonsalready, like in the early nineties or
late eighties. That was part ofthe big hysteria with the background. Oh
(33:42):
you know, I wonder, Iwonder if if if because you know,
like stranger things and stuff came outand that with Dungeons and Dragons it's getting
popular. So I would just letyou know it was a religious website.
Oh well, no, shit,Yeah, that's fucking stupid. The Akham's
Razor solution, the simplest solution isusually the correct one, is that Mothman
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was an owl and that the otherassociated phenomena were due to mistaken identity associated
with underlying fear of immigrants, aswell as glitchy electronic systems were all to
blame. But that should not stopyou from reading Kills books and being absolutely
terrified, because even if it isfiction, it's still interesting. Yeah.
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The site Stacker has a list ofthe states, including DC, with the
highest number of UFO sightings. Usingdata from well National UFO Reporting Center new
FORK new form twenty four to sevenhotline, which has been around since nineteen
seventy four, Stacker compiled a rankingof the states with the most reported UFO
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sightings. New FORKS data set includesreportings dating back to the fourteen hundreds,
So anybody can call this hotline andjust say, hey, I saw something.
Yeah, but they like verify too, they would they would like try
to vary, like you can't,just like I found I saw a UFO.
And if keep in mind that itis possible that you see a unidentified
flying object, which is like,right, just military equipment or something,
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right, Because like in when wewere doing our MK Ultrust series, we
were talking about that UFO doesn't alwaysmean alien. Yeah, just means it
just means that you didn't know whatthe fuck was in the air at the
time. Yeah, yeah, it'sunidentified. That was the Men in Black
series or Men in Black I'm sorry. Yeah. West Virginia comes in at
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number forty out of fifty one.It lists UFO signings at six hundred and
twenty one, but no exact dateof when this count began. For comparison,
DC comes in at fifty one witha total of eighty seven reported signings.
Again, no exact date of whenthis count begin Also apps and on
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the stacker side, is any indicationof how reports are canagorized or vetted.
That info is probably on the NewFort website. That's a whole other rabbit
hole to go through. So Iwould think that in twenty one side,
I would think that number one wouldbe like one that's close to a military
base, so like New Mexico,that area, um DC being last is
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no surprise because I imagine, youknow, all of those government buildings are
like restricted airspace. So and keepin mind that most UFOs are legit aircraft
that regular people are just like,I don't know what that is, but
if they are military, they're definitelynot going to fly over the White House.
That's illegal. You don't even allowhaving a drone in DC. That
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makes sense, Yeah, well itmakes sense. Well well yeah, well
yeah yeah, but I mean likeI didn't think that you could. I
thought you can have one, youjust can't fly it over Like okay,
yes, you're right, no,my under So there was a guy the
Leafs a few years ago who playedon the Capital Rushta Capitals. Then he
got trade to the leaves and he'slike, oh, I'm so excited to
be here. Now I can usemy drone's Like I got on to DC.
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I wanted to get into drones,but a drone realized they couldn't use
it. Some places do have thembanned. Yeah, Like that's completely understandable,
Like yeah, well yeah, Capital. Yeah. The issue with the
North Fork side is noticeable immediately afirst glance. First the untrained eye,
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how would one know if it's astarlink satellite or venus? And on the
other side, how exactly do theyknow which reports are hoaxes or Joe?
Oh wait, so they don't evenlike vet them. You can just call
it okay, so you can hotlineand just be like I saw something in
the air over the White House,and then you just cause an international incident.
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Joe Biden water call away to thesafe room, or some drunk Southerner
calls in and says, I'll seesomething fly on through the woods. There's
blanket on and all, sir haveyou, that's probably a firefly. This
reporting system appears to be similar tothat of THEIRS the vaccine Adverse Event Reporting
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system, in which pretty much everyonecan submit their experiences. While the various
system has real world used for doctorsand professionals, it has become a haven
for insane anti vaxers. So youcan see how an open reporting system can
be abused and misused. See Iremember when I got my first COVID shot.
Um, I had the ships afterHowever, however, I also had
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Burger King and apparently the Burger KingI want to I found this out recently.
Is known you have like fucking maggotsin their food or some shit.
So I probably had some like disgustingfood after. Yeah, I would never
eat Burger King after that. Everagain, Oh no, it's just I
love Burger Care. It's just thatone spe I don't eat Burger King at
all because burger Burger King's fantastic.Burger King is. But you know what
(39:00):
I had yesterday and wuking. Ohyeah, okay, Well, if we're
getting into the best hamburgers, we'regonna have to go to water Burger.
I never had a water Burger becausethere's only like, I don't even think
there's any in Canada. Probably not, No, I know Sam's had it.
Oh yeah, yeah, they're allover Florida. Yeah, it's good,
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but it's not my favorite though.I'm sorry. That's okay, this
is an other show topic. Wegotta do. We have to do a
fast food burger, a fast foodtier list we do. Yeah, we
could do that. We could doit, but we have to restrict it
to restaurants that are in both countries. So like, I can't be like,
oh, yes, you know,Harvey's has the best burger. You're
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like, what the fuck is that? Oh no, you don't know.
Yeah, we don't have no Harveys. Yeah, we don't have a Harvey
The moffa on website. Mutual UFONetwork state similar guidelines for the reporting section,
but does but does so with videosto demonstrate what the saddle lights look
like. That's fair. That isfair. I like that. The ultimate
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point here is that statistics about UFOsignings can be difficult to navigate because of
this self reporting style. It isalso to keep in mind that the UFO
does not mean alien space crime.It means, quite literally, unidentified flying
object. A swarm of insects isthe right weather and lighting conditions can be
a UFO. It's funny because Idid not know that was in there when
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I mentioned a firefly. It couldbe a kite for all you know.
The Green Bank Observatory and Green Bank, West Virginia is a premier location for
scientists who make it their work tostudy extraterrestrial life okay, and star mapping,
supernovas, and other more generalized scientificresearch by documenting documenting energy waves from
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hundreds of light years away into computersby a giant radio telescope with many signals
so faint they're easily drowned out byan ambient noise. These scientists divide by
the National Radio Cuient Zone, acode of science that bars normal everyday tech
devices so they can conduct their workwithout interference. Apparently there's this tech I
think this might be the same placewhere they're not allowed having broadband internet everything.
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They're still dial up because they correctbecause the signals from your modem can
fuck up the very the modem.It's the WiFi. Yeah that can care
route. Yeah that can cause they'revery sensitive equipment. And yeah, something
like you're not even allowed having cellphones, which is just wild. I
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would die. Well, you've gottons of Wi Fi coming out of that
waves. I would die. Here'ssome more interesting fun facts. The National
Radio Quient Zone was established by theFederal Communications Commission, which is the FCC
and docket number one one seven fourfive on November nineteen, nineteen fifty eight,
to minimize possible harmful interference in theNational Radio Astronomy Observatory and Green Bank,
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West Virginia and the radio receiving facilitiesfor the United States Navy in Sugar
Grove, West Virginia. It enclosesa land area of approximately thirteen thousand square
miles near the state border between Virginiaand West Virginia. So they did have
the FCC then, it just itprobably wasn't the probably at the FEC like
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in the twenties, like even probablyeven earlier. Well it said nineteen fifty
eight was created. Okay, Thethirteen thousand square miles of this area disallows
cell phones, Wi Fi radios.Quite a bit of a difficult ass for
this day and age, but plentyof people are able to live their lives
within this region by doing what jackingoff. Nick probably have a lot of
(42:47):
kids. They probably have a tonof kids. Yeah, jacking off to
log it takes to download porn ondial up that they're just sucking each other.
Yea sears cattle. Oh wait,that doesn't exist anymore. But they
are doing stuff. They're getting drunk, they're having parties. This is like
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Atmore, Alabama. Yeah, there'san obvious, legit reason for the lack
of technology in that area. Juston a hunch, we check to see
how close to Point Pleasant the observatoryis by car. Google Maps shows it
to be four hours and six minutesby current roads. Obviously it may have
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been longer back in the fifties andsixties. Right. While Point Pleasant is
far enough away from the observatory,remember that radio waves don't take roads.
Could there be a possibility that radiowaves from the observatory could be linked in
some way to the strange sightings andPoint Pleasant at that time? Maybe?
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Possibly, Again, we possess anneither the knowledge nor the capability of totally
understanding these things to a level thatwould pass as evidence, and most likely
the two have nothing to do witheach other. But it's a fun and
interesting element that also remains part ofWest Virginia's history. And we close with
(44:13):
a joke, what was the lastthing the Mothman said? I'll be back
there you go. That ends ourseries on Mothman. We kind of helped
explain what it possibly is an owl, which it makes a lot of sense,
it really does, like especially fromthe sightings and everything that an owl
(44:37):
looks either an owl or immigrants.I'm going for owl. Okay, let's
see. My thing is is Ilove cryptos, I really do. Yeah,
And a lot of them can beexplained Mothman because they are Yeah,
(44:57):
because it's like, even though ifyou find out what it actually is,
you can still take the myth andthe legend and stuff and still yeah,
you know, make you know,have fun with it. That's what it's
all about. However, we wouldlike to thank our very own writer and
researcher, Stephanie Kemmer, for allof our hard work and dedications you put
into this series on Mothman. Wewould like to thank the resources used for
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our series. Here were people takea deep breath, n cees dot EEDU,
Wikipedia, Stacker, AFT, Comicscreen Bank, Conservatory, YouTube,
WV Explore US, Deadly Events,Rational, WIKIFCC, dot gov Daily Yonder,
telecom History, very well mined cryptids, MPR dot Org, Insider Skeptical
Inquire, Mothman Museum, all thatinteresting, transportation, dot WV, dot
(45:43):
gov, Timeline, dot com NewForce, Our Newfork dot org, moufund
dot com, and the articles andbooks by John Kill The Mothman Prophecies,
Disneyland of the Gods, Our HauntedPlanet, The Kate May Incident, the
Great UFO Wave Interview, and theMan who invented flying saucerers. There we
went, There we went. Obviously, we want you to keep listening to
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us and come hang out with us. Don't Forget. You can help support
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pictures of Nick's feet and his dickpainted like Homer Simpson. Yes, oh
god, it's my It's a goodway to lose subscribers. It's it's my
penis cost players. I like tocall it cock play. You know what?
That could be a thing for likean only fans it could. I
(47:37):
bet it is already it probably nextweek we're going into another episode of side
Crime. And yeah, I've beenposting stories glare because I've been finding some
wacky ones you have, you knowwhat. I haven't found anyone for Florida
(47:59):
yet, so I gotta start looking. And these are ones that come to
my phone because like I get likerandom Google alerts based on what I recently
search which is very annoying when I'mat work, because like I'm searching like
sports things like I need that yesDick picks. I'm searching these articles and
then later I'll get like Lakers news. I'm like, I don't give a
shit. And obviously, patrons,you get into a brand new episode.
(48:22):
On Wednesday, you were getting anew episode of Creepy Pasta. So we're
gonna go back and do another story. It is my turn to read,
and I will be doing a CreepyPasta's story. Well, Sam and Nick
get to decide what the hell isgoing on riff on it in the story.
Yes, get to riff get toriff Any closing thoughts Sam and Nick
(48:45):
before we sign off here on thislast episode of moth Man, I could
go for some more pizza. Nice. I hope that I never get attacked
by random owl and fall down thestairs. You live in Florida. You
have much more to worry about thanan you do. Yes, well,
all right, this is going towrap up our series on moth Man.
(49:07):
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