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November 20, 2025 36 mins

This week on Everybody in the Pool, more power, right beneath our feet. Even as the United States has been attempting to stop or divest from renewable energy sources, there’s one kind of baseload power that doesn’t make anyone mad: geothermal.

So this week we’re talking not just geothermal, but next-generation geothermal.

My guest is Cindy Taff, CEO of Sage Geosystems, a company developing flexible, modular geothermal systems that can provide both baseload renewable power and incredible long-duration energy storage—all using the existing skill sets and drilling expertise of the oil and gas industry.


We get into:

  • Why geothermal is finally ready for prime time—thanks to new drilling techniques, better geologic modeling, and the lessons of shale
  • Sage’s “heat harvesting” approach that works in far more places than conventional geothermal
  • How their Geopressured Geothermal System doubles as ultra-affordable long-duration energy storage
  • Why geothermal could be the clean firm power the grid desperately needs
  • The role the oil and gas workforce can play in building the energy transition
  • What it will take to finance and deploy geothermal at utility scale


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