March 31, 2025 • 23 mins
Evangelism has almost become a dirty word in our culture. Sadly, it’s not all that different in many churches. We either go all-in with enthusiasm only to find that most people aren’t interested, or we’ve quietly given up on it altogether. But what if we’re missing the heart of evangelism?
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, we’ll define what true biblical evangelism is (and what it’s not) while uncovering the 7 worst evangelism mistakes Christians make today.
Even when we’re confident in our faith and what the Bible teaches, how we communicate and carry ourselves speaks volumes about who God is. God isn’t pushy—he’s patient. He’s gentle, loving, and always available. Our approach to evangelism should reflect that same heart.
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
Get started here… From this episode: “Believe it or not, most people are very open to having spiritual conversations. But it must be in the right context, at the right time, and we must have the right heart posture in order for it to truly be a conversation that others want to participate in… and maybe revisit over time. Asking more questions and listening well–especially at the beginning of a relationship–is a lot more important than trying to “win” the conversation on the spot.”
- What the Bible actually teaches about evangelism.
- Are all Christians called to be evangelists?
- Why so many believers are looking for ways to “opt out” of evangelizing.
- The 7 biggest evangelism mistakes today—and a better way forward.
Get started here… From this episode: “Believe it or not, most people are very open to having spiritual conversations. But it must be in the right context, at the right time, and we must have the right heart posture in order for it to truly be a conversation that others want to participate in… and maybe revisit over time. Asking more questions and listening well–especially at the beginning of a relationship–is a lot more important than trying to “win” the conversation on the spot.”
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Caesar Kalinowski (00:01):
Acting like your take on religion or you know, how life works or politics is a hundred percent correct all the time.
And everybody else is wrong and you know, and then boxing people into corner, it's really bad evangelism and it certainly doesn't feel and sound like good news to others when you do that.
Now no one thinks they're doing that, but wow.
(00:22):
I've seen it and I've seen it a lot.
And even when we're certain of our faith.
And what the Bible teaches, our posture and how we discuss these things is a huge proclamation of who God is and the heart of our Father.
God is never pushy.
He's patient.
He's kind and slow to anger and gentle and generous.
I. And loving and available.
Heath Hollensbe (00:54):
Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast where you'll learn how to live with.
Greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
And now here's your host, Cesar Kalinowski.
(01:14):
Here we
Caesar Kalinowski (01:14):
are.
It is another great day to be here, to be together and.
A very important season here in the Northwest.
Yes.
Because the Seahawks are kicking off soon here.
So
Heath Hollensbe (01:25):
I'm a huge soccer fan.
I know you're a big rugby fan.
Mm-hmm.
Are Seahawks.
Have you ever been to a game?
Oh yes.
Fun of course.
Caesar Kalinowski (01:31):
And I recently attended a preseason game.
Okay.
And I was.
I gotta be honest with you, the whole time I just kept saying to Tina, and this is another reason why rugby is the best sport.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah, because it seems so slow now to me.
Oh yeah.
It's so slow.
It's just like all this jockey and the lining up and everything and then like it's over.
(01:51):
Yeah.
You know the whole thing of like an NFL game, if they just take the time, the ball's in play, what is it?
It's like five minutes or less.
Yeah.
It's not long.
Something like that.
I've heard three and a half.
I've heard five and a half.
Let's just say you watch it for three and a half hours.
Yeah, but there's only about five or seven minutes or something of play, not in rugby or soccer.
Bro.
That clock starts and they're on it, right?
Heath Hollensbe (02:09):
Yeah, no, we, I joke about the Seahawks because it's like every, you do one play, then the reviewers do it again in slow motion.
Then there's a flag, then it goes to commercial, then you do the next flag.
It's just slow.
Caesar Kalinowski (02:19):
I'm ruined now.
Yeah, I'm ruined.
I don't know.
I still say I'm a Hawks fan.
Anyway, enough of that.
No one hardly is caring about this.
Heath Hollensbe (02:25):
Boom.
Hey, today we're talking about this, the seven big, worst, awful evangelism mistakes today, right?
And we did shows before on evangelism and our views on that, but this week we're gonna kind of take a bit of a different approach on common mistakes to actually avoid.
However, the first thing I. Thing that we need to talk about is to clarify meanings that we do a lot on this show.
So let's talk about what evangelism really means.
(02:48):
Great
Caesar Kalinowski (02:49):
place to start.
I and I, I always like to set a baseline so we can all talk from the same media, right?
Yep.
So many people use the word evangelism in different ways, actually, but what does the Bible say about it?
That's a good place to start.
So when we look to scripture, US English speakers sort of run into a problem.
There's no direct equivalent word for our English word evangelism.
Found in the New Testament, so, you know, we, we could discount it or whatever, but, but it's in there, it's just not that exact word.
(03:16):
Sure.
But it's, but it's, origin is rooted in three different Greek words.
Okay.
So here, here where I'm gonna go a little nerd, nerd, alert for a second and I'm gonna murder it.
Some pronunciations here, but the three words, one is, uh, gelian.
Okay.
Okay.
Gospel.
Um, to describe what is said.
In other words, there, it's, it's the term, you know?
In other words, they're talking about the thing.
(03:36):
Sure.
And you can look like mark one 14 to 15.
Look that up.
Okay.
So describing what is said, then there's.
You and Es.
Okay.
You and Es evangelist.
So that's, that word is used like in Acts 21, in Ephesians four to describe the person who is telling the gelian the gospel.
Okay.
And then there's ew and gso to proclaim, to proclaim the gospel, to describe and, and that word's like describing the activity.
(04:04):
Of telling the gospel, those who are proclaiming the good news.
You see that in Roman 10.
Okay, so there you go.
Nerd alert.
But those three words kind of pulled together, like the thing they're talking about, like who's talking about it?
The evangelist, you and Gieses, and then the you and GSO to proclaim what's going on.
The activity, uh, then is.
(04:24):
That all kind of pulls together for us, right.
So we kind of understand what's going on there.
Sure.
And what's being conveyed in the New Testament by the word, to bring the good news Zo.
So let's remember the word gospel means good news.
So.
The gospel is the good news.
The evangelist is the one who is telling about it.
And to proclaim it, you, the you and Zo, I'm gonna be done with this in a minute, is to bring the good news, right?
(04:50):
It's the, it's to do that.
So, um, in this case, the good news we're talking about is about Jesus.
So, 'cause everybody thinks maybe the word gospel, like, like, we made it up.
Well, no, it's, it's news.
It's good news.
And it could have been about anybody.
Right.
Sure.
It could have been about anything.
It was, it meant the term, you know, the good, like, hey, someone's coming with good news, right?
In this case, the good news is about Jesus and the forgiveness that he brought us through his life, death and resurrection, God coming as man, and that the kingdom of God has now come.
(05:18):
Hmm, and Jesus.
Not you or I lovingly rules this kingdom.
That's that's really good news.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So that's the baseline from which we start to talk about evangelism.
It's, it's the proclaiming of this good news or the displaying of.
The good news about Jesus.
Heath Hollensbe (05:37):
Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski (05:38):
And all the things that the gospel then fills up in our life.
Hey, props to you for getting through those hard words.
Wow.
Okay.
So I, you know, I never claim to speak Greek, but I, anyway.
Well then that's not the point.
It's the point is the three different words kind of frame it
Heath Hollensbe (05:50):
for us.
Right.
So, no, it's beautiful.
So when I, as you're talking there, I'm thinking.
Initially of Ephesians four about the, the call and church leadership, those were called to be evangelists.
Right?
Right.
And Ephesians four, you're referring to like, there's the AEs model.
Yep.
Right.
There's apostles, prophets, prophets, evangelists, shepherds teachers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But when we're looking at Ephesians four, that doesn't negate that all followers of Jesus actually are called to move people from unbelief to belief in every area of life.
(06:17):
Right.
So I've actually heard people before say like, oh, well I'm not an evangelist.
And it's like, that's not my thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not, not not who I am.
I'm not wired like that.
Do you think anyone can really use that as a scapegoat to get outta sharing their faith or is sharing the faith for everyone?
Caesar Kalinowski (06:30):
Well, it's, first off I'd, I'd say it's really not a matter of getting out of sharing our faith.
Right.
It's if that's, and I'm not saying that's your heart, I'm just saying, but a lot of people say it that way and a lot of people think it that way.
Like I can say that and I get outta it.
Like, no, if we really see the gospel of the kingdom and Jesus' life and sacrifice and rule as good news and a needed good news to the people.
(06:54):
Everybody in the world, then we're gonna want to share it.
Okay.
That's first off.
So really, I think I would love to see our heart being going like, man, I wish I was an evangelist so I could talk about it more.
No, that Ephesians four passage is talking about specific giftings.
Sure.
Right.
Uh, which are people like evangelist, that's a person, a prophet, that's a person that are given, and I'm not gonna teach Ephesians four now, but what for the equipping of the Saints.
(07:17):
To bring us to unity and fullness in Christ and maturity.
Right.
So there are those who are going to be evangelists that really equip the rest of us in evangelism.
Sure.
That's the point for the equipping of the saints.
So no, no one quote gets out of it.
Yeah.
But I hope our heart is moving much more towards.
We get to, but see, that only flows if you really think that Jesus life, death, and resurrection and, and all the effects of that and how it speaks into our identity and our lives and our marriage is really good news and it's needed good news for the world.
(07:45):
Hmm.
If you don't feel that, well then you probably will be looking for ways to avoid talking about it.
Heath Hollensbe (07:50):
Yeah.
You know, and I'm thinking as, even as you're talking about evangelism, uh, the way I've seen it much in the past is that evangelism typically in American Christianity is like this big.
Billy Graham, huge event at a stadium where he comes and shares a message.
There's not much follow through stage.
Lots of planning.
Thousands of people.
Yeah.
Big bands.
Right.
So those are kinda like the giant nets being thrown.
(08:11):
Yeah.
But there's not usually much follow through there.
Right.
But then discipleship typically is like this boring kind of classroom setting where you go through a book together.
Knowledge acquisition.
Yeah, exactly.
But it sounds like in your thinking, and I know from stuff we've talked about previously on the show.
Over and over and over that evangelism and discipleship are a lot more connected than, than these two kind of segregated worlds.
(08:32):
Yeah.
And that's huge.
Caesar Kalinowski (08:33):
And not, not everyone agrees with it.
Um, but that, that's one of the big mistakes that we can make in evangelism and in discipleship today.
In fact, it's one of the seven.
So let's talk about those big evangelism mistakes.
Okay.
Heath Hollensbe (08:46):
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay.
So you've come up with a seven.
Worst mistakes to avoid?
There's
Caesar Kalinowski (08:50):
probably more.
Yeah.
But I tried to whittle 'em down to like, what are the things that are really barriers or, you know, to us and to others, the Caesar seven.
So let's talk, let's walk through those here.
Okay.
So the first one is not knowing and understanding and embracing a really big gospel, like one that speaks into all of life now.
Hmm.
And instead, preaching about someone's afterlife when they have real problems and needs right in front of you.
(09:14):
That the gospel, the actual gospel does address today.
That's a, that's a huge problem.
Heath Hollensbe (09:19):
Yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski (09:20):
that's a huge problem.
So if your gospel is so small and you think it's primarily about the afterlife, that's one of the worst things.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
That's not gonna be good news to anybody with real daily problems when you're talking about, well, you're afterlife, you know?
Yep.
Okay.
The second I think of of huge problems with evangelism is thinking that evangelism's about closing the deal and getting people to say a certain prayer.
(09:40):
Hmm.
And coupled with that is, is thinking that it's our job to get out there and get everyone saved.
Yeah, which just puts crazy weird pressure on us.
Nowhere in scripture does it say, go get people saved.
Yeah.
It says, go make disciples.
We have plenty of examples of people proclaiming the good news of Jesus.
And if you don't wanna walk in his ways, we wanna show you.
If you wanna understand how his life and death and his resurrection and him being a son and you now being a son or a daughter, affects all of life.
(10:05):
That's, that's what proclaiming the good news of the gospel's about, but thinking that I gotta get you saved.
Oh, there's so much pressure on you.
And then we mark people and we put weird things on them and we don't have real relationship.
No.
I
Heath Hollensbe (10:17):
remember a, with my decade stint in the South where there's a, a church down the street that did their good old fashioned soul women where they get together and on Thursday nights they go out, soul in and Oh yeah, blow the door.
And you're like, no.
Caesar Kalinowski (10:26):
And I know some people are gonna be ticked off here in this episode.
Sure.
You know, because they're gonna go like, you should.
I'm like, Hmm.
So that kinda leads me right into the third of the, of the worst things is, is that your Evangeline is giving a presentation instead of having a conversation.
Hmm.
Or a series of conversations relationship, which by the way, conversation includes listening.
(10:47):
Yep.
At least 50% of the time.
Right?
Absolutely.
Two people in the conversation.
So don't think if, if your evangelism is presentational, I. It's primarily about a historic event that happened a long time ago.
That's not the gospel.
Yeah.
That's not what gets proclaimed in scripture.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Fourth is, um, seeing apologetics.
As the primary form of evangelism.
(11:09):
In other words, trying to argue with people into believing what you believe is true.
Yeah.
Or going after, you know, the age of the moon rocks or you know, like this or that.
In other words, apologetics, which is there's a defense of the faith.
It's, it makes for horrible evangelism.
And often this approach leads us to focusing on behavioral modification with people.
Yeah.
In other words, we start out by pointing out their particular brand of sin.
(11:31):
And then quoting lots of Bible verses and, and really trying to prove it.
And then thinking we just evangelize some people, we just Good news them.
Heath Hollensbe (11:40):
Yeah.
Yikes.
Right.
So, you know, that reminds me of, uh, it was way back, but episode two 12 when we were talking about why apologetics makes for poor evangelism.
Yep.
If, if you haven't heard that one yet, go back to two 12.
Why Apologetics makes for.
Evangelism, but just
Caesar Kalinowski (11:53):
pointing out someone's sin and, you know, and then going hard after it.
Now even in relationship, that's kind of icky.
Yeah.
But, but often people do that, right.
You know, with the whole trick people into like, have, you know, have you ever, you ever stolen, are you a thief?
Like, no.
I mean, you never taken a paperclip or maybe picked a pencil off the floor at school and it wasn't yours, but you took it home and like, you see you're a liar too.
(12:13):
So you know all that stuff.
And then you just quote unquote, like, I, I just evangelized them.
No, that was no good news.
No good news in there.
Exactly.
Don't put that in the category.
Okay.
Uh, the fifth one is acting like your take on religion and how life works and politics and, and fill in the blank is, is a hundred percent correct and everybody else is wrong.
(12:34):
And then we sort of box people into a corner That's bad evangelism.
Yep.
And often we do.
And why do I list all those things connected to evangelism?
'cause that's kind of how people.
Take us as Christians, like, we come off as like, you know, you support this person or that person in politics, or you're against this issue, or that, or you know, there's only my way and like, wow, Christians don't even believe there's one way, there's thousands of denominations.
(12:58):
My point is not that you can't be have a conviction, it's acting like your view on all this stuff is a hundred percent correct and everybody else is, is wrong.
That's bad evangelism.
Yep.
And it certainly doesn't feel or sound like good news to others when we do that.
It's antagonistic, it's argumentative.
And even when we're like, like I said, really certain of what we believe in our faith and what the Bible teaches, our posture and how we discuss these things is a huge proclamation of who God is and displaying the heart of our father.
(13:27):
Yep.
God's never pushy.
He's patient.
He's kind, he's slow to anger, he's gentle, he's generous, he's loving, and you know what?
He's available.
Yeah.
And oftentimes we sort of do these drive-by shootings.
I, I sometimes I've called it like just sitting in the corner and chucking rocks at people, you know?
Yeah.
Do you hang out with those people?
No.
'cause of this, like, so we point out their sin.
(13:49):
I've talked to him about it.
They didn't wanna hear anything about it.
They're rejectors, they're going straight to hell.
It's like, please don't call that evangelism.
That's just jerky.
That's just being beep.
You know, like, you know, not good.
All right.
Sixth one is, and you kind of alluded to this just a second ago, is separating evangelism from discipleship and discipleship from evangelism.
Heath Hollensbe (14:10):
Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski (14:10):
Jesus said, if you'll walk in my ways, in John eight, he says, if you'll walk in my ways and be my disciple, then you'll come to know the truth.
He meant like in every area of life.
And that truth will set you free.
Yeah.
And so we look at that and we go like, oh, wait a minute.
Jesus didn't ask people to first believe a set of doctrines and principles before they could hang out with him.
He said, come and follow.
Come and follow me.
(14:31):
Hang out with me.
And he did life, right?
Yeah.
And so his form of evangelism looked exactly like discipleship, but we talk about discipleship is the process of moving from unbelief to belief.
In every area of life in light of the gospel.
Yep.
So then wait a minute.
You can't do discipleship without the gospel transforming all of our beliefs.
So then what Jesus said, so we get set free.
(14:51):
Hmm.
It is for freedom that I have come set you free.
Right, exactly.
So I think we've done ourself a huge disservice when we separate.
And put evangelism on one as like on a continuum before discipleship or vice versa, or just purely the separating of those two.
Heath Hollensbe (15:05):
Yep.
They're way
Caesar Kalinowski (15:06):
more inter, they're way more interconnected.
Heath Hollensbe (15:08):
Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski (15:09):
So it's, it's a, it's an evangelism, quote unquote mistake.
Evangelism is discipleship.
Discipleship is evangelism, and it's over the long haul.
We've said it before in the show, quote, my buddy Hugh Halter, that when he meets someone.
For the first time, and he knows they don't have a relationship with God or Jesus in in, in the right sense and they're walking with him.
He just counts on it.
(15:30):
Taking five years probably.
Yeah.
For them to come to a point where they've walked in his ways enough and come to know the truth about him and been set free enough that they can trust him as lowered and savior of their whole life.
Yeah.
Sounds like Jesus, right.
Three year commitment.
Yeah, man.
Okay.
The seventh one.
And this, this one kinda wraps up a lot of stuff, man.
But the seventh worst mistake in evangelism is loving yourself more than other people or God's glory.
(15:56):
We love ourselves more than people.
We love ourselves more than God's glory.
Hmm.
And so, so you avoid speaking about the truth and the good news of the gospel and who Jesus is and what he's done and, and how we get to live now because of that.
And, and we do that because we love ourselves and we fear what others may think.
Self-love and fear of man is a huge barrier to evangelism, and it's one of the worst mistakes we make now.
(16:20):
We can't just wave a magic wand.
Yeah.
And say, well, I'm done with that.
But that's the thing that is the biggest hurdle was we love ourselves more than we love people in God's glory, and we're not that fluent.
We've talked about gospel fluency a lot on the show.
We're not that versed or able to speak in ways that are actually good news to people.
(16:41):
Since I love myself and I don't ever want anybody to think poorly of me, or I don't want to risk any relational strife, or I don't want my neighbor thinking I'm a weirdo or whatever because I love me.
You know, I can control that.
I won't say anything that's bad.
And that's really, I think why we have a huge evangelism.
It's one of the big reasons, one of the seven, why we have a huge evangelism crisis right now in the church.
Heath Hollensbe (17:02):
You know, even as you're just talking there, I'm thinking about how amazing.
The differences are when I'm looking at evangelism from what I grew up hearing in a local church versus what you had just talked about.
Mm. Because, uh, again, the soul winning thing, I remember the chick tracks, you know, where it's like, Hey, hand out the, I just saw something on Instagram today where someone said,
Caesar Kalinowski (17:19):
someone just handed me this.
Yeah.
And I can't even tell you how many ways the theology is bad.
And they had a couple pictures there.
Oh yeah.
Some guy, some guy commented and said like literally someone keeps taping him to the front of my car.
Chick tracks in my driveway and I'm the pastor's and I live in the parsonage right next to the church with the sign.
Like they just have no clue.
Yeah.
Oh, we were
Heath Hollensbe (17:38):
down at the water the other day and somebody was handing out million dollar bills with like.
To my kids.
I've done, I've
Caesar Kalinowski (17:43):
had it.
Heath Hollensbe (17:43):
I was like, you know, you going to hell.
I used
Caesar Kalinowski (17:44):
to do that wacky stuff, man.
Heath Hollensbe (17:46):
So it's so di I mean, this way actually sounds like repent.
Jesus.
I repented.
I did
Caesar Kalinowski (17:48):
that to you.
I'm so sorry.
And you happen to be listening.
I repent.
Stop by the house.
I will repent on my face to you.
If I find a,
Heath Hollensbe (17:56):
if I find a chi track in public, I. Personally throw it away.
'cause I feel it's doing the Lord work.
Oh, please bring
Caesar Kalinowski (18:00):
it to me.
Let's take pictures and put 'em on Instagram.
Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe (18:02):
Hey, what first steps would you say people could take to begin to feel more confident and better equipped for this good, solid, effective type of evangelism that you just shared?
Caesar Kalinowski (18:12):
Great question.
Heath.
I, I'll take us back to, to the first number one item on the list today.
Um, and that's believe in a bigger gospel.
We really need to understand the gospel.
That's a gospel about all of life.
I know that's almost like a broken record on the podcast, but we have to, we, we've gotta see the beauty and immensity and the relevance of the gospel speaking into and transforming all of life and experiencing life of freedom in, in the kingdom, knowing of the father's love and what he thinks of us and how we get to live our identity, our authority and privilege.
(18:43):
And so I, you know, I think.
That's where I'd say is like, if you have that sort of lack of confidence that I can even sound like good news.
Sure.
Invest yourself, like, grow in your gospel fluency.
I I'm gonna put a link to a couple of really great resources in the show notes.
Okay.
Um, I do a, a free webinar called the Gospel in Everyday Life, and I'm gonna put a link to that.
(19:04):
And that'll really help people, you know, put their foot on the path.
And then also my book, bigger Gospel, which that webinar is kind of based on, it's, it's actually available right now for free.
I'll, it's a hard, it's a book, it's a full printed book.
It's not an ebook.
I'll ship it to your house if you're willing to pick up the shipping to handling on the book.
It's like seven bucks or something.
Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe (19:21):
that's not bad at all.
Caesar Kalinowski (19:22):
So if you want the book, it's, you know, you can go and buy it and go to, you know, go to my website and find it and buy it.
But I'll, I'll put a link in the show notes where all you have to do is pick up the shipping and I'll ship it to you for free.
Fair enough.
Easy.
Yeah.
So those are some real practical steps.
Don't just think about it, just, just don't think about all the barriers, but like start to make a difference by growing in your own gospel fluency.
So
Heath Hollensbe (19:42):
sweet man.
Thanks for that.
Yeah, a lot of giveaways this week.
Hey, uh, we wanna get to the big three, which are the big three takeaways.
If, if nothing else we want you to walk away with from this week's episode and you get as a printable PDF right into your inbox by going to everyday disciple.com/big three.
Cesar, what are the big three for this week?
Here you
Caesar Kalinowski (19:59):
go.
I'm, I'm wound up for these.
Okay.
Okay.
So the first one is like, hear this.
Believe it or not, most people are very open to having spiritual conversations.
Hmm.
I believe that with all my heart.
I just, that's been my experience all over the country.
All over the world.
Sure.
But it must be, those spiritual conversations must be in the right context at the right time, and we must have the right heart posture in order for it to truly be a conversation that others want to participate in.
(20:26):
Sure.
So people are open to spiritual conversations, but not jerky.
Weird ones like some of the things on the list and, and they, you want 'em to be open to it and maybe even willing to like revisit that and come back.
Let me think about that and come back.
So asking more questions and listening well, especially at the beginning of a relationship is a lot more important than trying to.
Win the conversation on the spot.
Alright, man.
(20:46):
Number two.
Okay.
Number two, we must understand this is kinda what I just said a minute ago.
We must understand and believe a really big gospel that speaks good news into every area of life.
Starting with our own, we need to be evangelizing our own hearts.
I.
Before, we'll probably love people and love God enough.
We must also love God and His glory more than our own comfort and our control over what people think of us.
(21:07):
Yep.
Like do you believe that Jesus' life, death, and resurrection and his loving rule in your life is merely a convenient thing for your afterlife?
And so that's why you said that prayer and your.
You're, you're glad that you're in the club or are you grateful and have a desire for everyone to experience the freedom that you have in Christ.
See that changes things a lot.
It sure does.
(21:27):
Absolutely.
Alright, number three.
Alright, number three.
This is the sort of hands part of it, like the practicum start groan in your gospel fluency so that we have good news to proclaim.
That's essential learning to speak and live and enjoy the gospel in every area of life.
Not just like, eh, I'm a church person kind of waiting for heaven with, you know, behavioral modification for me and the kids, you know, and my neighbors that'll listen, you know?
(21:48):
Yeah.
But, but like learning to experience in, in like, like really live out the gospel in every area of life allows us to proclaim the gospel in both words and throughout all the normal stuff of life as people interact with us in our community.
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So as we learn to evangelize ourselves, that's gonna also totally pump up.
Our discipleship as well.
'cause that's what discipleship's all about.
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Acting like your take on religion or you know, how life works or politics is a hundred percent correct all the time.
And everybody else is wrong and you know, and then boxing people into corner, it's really bad evangelism and it certainly doesn't feel and sound like good news to others when you do that.
Now no one thinks they're doing that, but wow.
(00:22):
I've seen it and I've seen it a lot.
And even when we're certain of our faith.
And what the Bible teaches, our posture and how we discuss these things is a huge proclamation of who God is and the heart of our Father.
God is never pushy.
He's patient.
He's kind and slow to anger and gentle and generous.
I. And loving and available.
Heath Hollensbe (00:54):
Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast where you'll learn how to live with.
Greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
And now here's your host, Cesar Kalinowski.
(01:14):
Here we
Caesar Kalinowski (01:14):
are.
It is another great day to be here, to be together and.
A very important season here in the Northwest.
Yes.
Because the Seahawks are kicking off soon here.
So
Heath Hollensbe (01:25):
I'm a huge soccer fan.
I know you're a big rugby fan.
Mm-hmm.
Are Seahawks.
Have you ever been to a game?
Oh yes.
Fun of course.
Caesar Kalinowski (01:31):
And I recently attended a preseason game.
Okay.
And I was.
I gotta be honest with you, the whole time I just kept saying to Tina, and this is another reason why rugby is the best sport.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah, because it seems so slow now to me.
Oh yeah.
It's so slow.
It's just like all this jockey and the lining up and everything and then like it's over.
(01:51):
Yeah.
You know the whole thing of like an NFL game, if they just take the time, the ball's in play, what is it?
It's like five minutes or less.
Yeah.
It's not long.
Something like that.
I've heard three and a half.
I've heard five and a half.
Let's just say you watch it for three and a half hours.
Yeah, but there's only about five or seven minutes or something of play, not in rugby or soccer.
Bro.
That clock starts and they're on it, right?
Heath Hollensbe (02:09):
Yeah, no, we, I joke about the Seahawks because it's like every, you do one play, then the reviewers do it again in slow motion.
Then there's a flag, then it goes to commercial, then you do the next flag.
It's just slow.
Caesar Kalinowski (02:19):
I'm ruined now.
Yeah, I'm ruined.
I don't know.
I still say I'm a Hawks fan.
Anyway, enough of that.
No one hardly is caring about this.
Heath Hollensbe (02:25):
Boom.
Hey, today we're talking about this, the seven big, worst, awful evangelism mistakes today, right?
And we did shows before on evangelism and our views on that, but this week we're gonna kind of take a bit of a different approach on common mistakes to actually avoid.
However, the first thing I. Thing that we need to talk about is to clarify meanings that we do a lot on this show.
So let's talk about what evangelism really means.
(02:48):
Great
Caesar Kalinowski (02:49):
place to start.
I and I, I always like to set a baseline so we can all talk from the same media, right?
Yep.
So many people use the word evangelism in different ways, actually, but what does the Bible say about it?
That's a good place to start.
So when we look to scripture, US English speakers sort of run into a problem.
There's no direct equivalent word for our English word evangelism.
Found in the New Testament, so, you know, we, we could discount it or whatever, but, but it's in there, it's just not that exact word.
(03:16):
Sure.
But it's, but it's, origin is rooted in three different Greek words.
Okay.
So here, here where I'm gonna go a little nerd, nerd, alert for a second and I'm gonna murder it.
Some pronunciations here, but the three words, one is, uh, gelian.
Okay.
Okay.
Gospel.
Um, to describe what is said.
In other words, there, it's, it's the term, you know?
In other words, they're talking about the thing.
(03:36):
Sure.
And you can look like mark one 14 to 15.
Look that up.
Okay.
So describing what is said, then there's.
You and Es.
Okay.
You and Es evangelist.
So that's, that word is used like in Acts 21, in Ephesians four to describe the person who is telling the gelian the gospel.
Okay.
And then there's ew and gso to proclaim, to proclaim the gospel, to describe and, and that word's like describing the activity.
(04:04):
Of telling the gospel, those who are proclaiming the good news.
You see that in Roman 10.
Okay, so there you go.
Nerd alert.
But those three words kind of pulled together, like the thing they're talking about, like who's talking about it?
The evangelist, you and Gieses, and then the you and GSO to proclaim what's going on.
The activity, uh, then is.
(04:24):
That all kind of pulls together for us, right.
So we kind of understand what's going on there.
Sure.
And what's being conveyed in the New Testament by the word, to bring the good news Zo.
So let's remember the word gospel means good news.
So.
The gospel is the good news.
The evangelist is the one who is telling about it.
And to proclaim it, you, the you and Zo, I'm gonna be done with this in a minute, is to bring the good news, right?
(04:50):
It's the, it's to do that.
So, um, in this case, the good news we're talking about is about Jesus.
So, 'cause everybody thinks maybe the word gospel, like, like, we made it up.
Well, no, it's, it's news.
It's good news.
And it could have been about anybody.
Right.
Sure.
It could have been about anything.
It was, it meant the term, you know, the good, like, hey, someone's coming with good news, right?
In this case, the good news is about Jesus and the forgiveness that he brought us through his life, death and resurrection, God coming as man, and that the kingdom of God has now come.
(05:18):
Hmm, and Jesus.
Not you or I lovingly rules this kingdom.
That's that's really good news.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So that's the baseline from which we start to talk about evangelism.
It's, it's the proclaiming of this good news or the displaying of.
The good news about Jesus.
Heath Hollensbe (05:37):
Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski (05:38):
And all the things that the gospel then fills up in our life.
Hey, props to you for getting through those hard words.
Wow.
Okay.
So I, you know, I never claim to speak Greek, but I, anyway.
Well then that's not the point.
It's the point is the three different words kind of frame it
Heath Hollensbe (05:50):
for us.
Right.
So, no, it's beautiful.
So when I, as you're talking there, I'm thinking.
Initially of Ephesians four about the, the call and church leadership, those were called to be evangelists.
Right?
Right.
And Ephesians four, you're referring to like, there's the AEs model.
Yep.
Right.
There's apostles, prophets, prophets, evangelists, shepherds teachers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But when we're looking at Ephesians four, that doesn't negate that all followers of Jesus actually are called to move people from unbelief to belief in every area of life.
(06:17):
Right.
So I've actually heard people before say like, oh, well I'm not an evangelist.
And it's like, that's not my thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not, not not who I am.
I'm not wired like that.
Do you think anyone can really use that as a scapegoat to get outta sharing their faith or is sharing the faith for everyone?
Caesar Kalinowski (06:30):
Well, it's, first off I'd, I'd say it's really not a matter of getting out of sharing our faith.
Right.
It's if that's, and I'm not saying that's your heart, I'm just saying, but a lot of people say it that way and a lot of people think it that way.
Like I can say that and I get outta it.
Like, no, if we really see the gospel of the kingdom and Jesus' life and sacrifice and rule as good news and a needed good news to the people.
(06:54):
Everybody in the world, then we're gonna want to share it.
Okay.
That's first off.
So really, I think I would love to see our heart being going like, man, I wish I was an evangelist so I could talk about it more.
No, that Ephesians four passage is talking about specific giftings.
Sure.
Right.
Uh, which are people like evangelist, that's a person, a prophet, that's a person that are given, and I'm not gonna teach Ephesians four now, but what for the equipping of the Saints.
(07:17):
To bring us to unity and fullness in Christ and maturity.
Right.
So there are those who are going to be evangelists that really equip the rest of us in evangelism.
Sure.
That's the point for the equipping of the saints.
So no, no one quote gets out of it.
Yeah.
But I hope our heart is moving much more towards.
We get to, but see, that only flows if you really think that Jesus life, death, and resurrection and, and all the effects of that and how it speaks into our identity and our lives and our marriage is really good news and it's needed good news for the world.
(07:45):
Hmm.
If you don't feel that, well then you probably will be looking for ways to avoid talking about it.
Heath Hollensbe (07:50):
Yeah.
You know, and I'm thinking as, even as you're talking about evangelism, uh, the way I've seen it much in the past is that evangelism typically in American Christianity is like this big.
Billy Graham, huge event at a stadium where he comes and shares a message.
There's not much follow through stage.
Lots of planning.
Thousands of people.
Yeah.
Big bands.
Right.
So those are kinda like the giant nets being thrown.
(08:11):
Yeah.
But there's not usually much follow through there.
Right.
But then discipleship typically is like this boring kind of classroom setting where you go through a book together.
Knowledge acquisition.
Yeah, exactly.
But it sounds like in your thinking, and I know from stuff we've talked about previously on the show.
Over and over and over that evangelism and discipleship are a lot more connected than, than these two kind of segregated worlds.
(08:32):
Yeah.
And that's huge.
Caesar Kalinowski (08:33):
And not, not everyone agrees with it.
Um, but that, that's one of the big mistakes that we can make in evangelism and in discipleship today.
In fact, it's one of the seven.
So let's talk about those big evangelism mistakes.
Okay.
Heath Hollensbe (08:46):
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay.
So you've come up with a seven.
Worst mistakes to avoid?
There's
Caesar Kalinowski (08:50):
probably more.
Yeah.
But I tried to whittle 'em down to like, what are the things that are really barriers or, you know, to us and to others, the Caesar seven.
So let's talk, let's walk through those here.
Okay.
So the first one is not knowing and understanding and embracing a really big gospel, like one that speaks into all of life now.
Hmm.
And instead, preaching about someone's afterlife when they have real problems and needs right in front of you.
(09:14):
That the gospel, the actual gospel does address today.
That's a, that's a huge problem.
Heath Hollensbe (09:19):
Yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski (09:20):
that's a huge problem.
So if your gospel is so small and you think it's primarily about the afterlife, that's one of the worst things.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
That's not gonna be good news to anybody with real daily problems when you're talking about, well, you're afterlife, you know?
Yep.
Okay.
The second I think of of huge problems with evangelism is thinking that evangelism's about closing the deal and getting people to say a certain prayer.
(09:40):
Hmm.
And coupled with that is, is thinking that it's our job to get out there and get everyone saved.
Yeah, which just puts crazy weird pressure on us.
Nowhere in scripture does it say, go get people saved.
Yeah.
It says, go make disciples.
We have plenty of examples of people proclaiming the good news of Jesus.
And if you don't wanna walk in his ways, we wanna show you.
If you wanna understand how his life and death and his resurrection and him being a son and you now being a son or a daughter, affects all of life.
(10:05):
That's, that's what proclaiming the good news of the gospel's about, but thinking that I gotta get you saved.
Oh, there's so much pressure on you.
And then we mark people and we put weird things on them and we don't have real relationship.
No.
I
Heath Hollensbe (10:17):
remember a, with my decade stint in the South where there's a, a church down the street that did their good old fashioned soul women where they get together and on Thursday nights they go out, soul in and Oh yeah, blow the door.
And you're like, no.
Caesar Kalinowski (10:26):
And I know some people are gonna be ticked off here in this episode.
Sure.
You know, because they're gonna go like, you should.
I'm like, Hmm.
So that kinda leads me right into the third of the, of the worst things is, is that your Evangeline is giving a presentation instead of having a conversation.
Hmm.
Or a series of conversations relationship, which by the way, conversation includes listening.
(10:47):
Yep.
At least 50% of the time.
Right?
Absolutely.
Two people in the conversation.
So don't think if, if your evangelism is presentational, I. It's primarily about a historic event that happened a long time ago.
That's not the gospel.
Yeah.
That's not what gets proclaimed in scripture.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Fourth is, um, seeing apologetics.
As the primary form of evangelism.
(11:09):
In other words, trying to argue with people into believing what you believe is true.
Yeah.
Or going after, you know, the age of the moon rocks or you know, like this or that.
In other words, apologetics, which is there's a defense of the faith.
It's, it makes for horrible evangelism.
And often this approach leads us to focusing on behavioral modification with people.
Yeah.
In other words, we start out by pointing out their particular brand of sin.
(11:31):
And then quoting lots of Bible verses and, and really trying to prove it.
And then thinking we just evangelize some people, we just Good news them.
Heath Hollensbe (11:40):
Yeah.
Yikes.
Right.
So, you know, that reminds me of, uh, it was way back, but episode two 12 when we were talking about why apologetics makes for poor evangelism.
Yep.
If, if you haven't heard that one yet, go back to two 12.
Why Apologetics makes for.
Evangelism, but just
Caesar Kalinowski (11:53):
pointing out someone's sin and, you know, and then going hard after it.
Now even in relationship, that's kind of icky.
Yeah.
But, but often people do that, right.
You know, with the whole trick people into like, have, you know, have you ever, you ever stolen, are you a thief?
Like, no.
I mean, you never taken a paperclip or maybe picked a pencil off the floor at school and it wasn't yours, but you took it home and like, you see you're a liar too.
(12:13):
So you know all that stuff.
And then you just quote unquote, like, I, I just evangelized them.
No, that was no good news.
No good news in there.
Exactly.
Don't put that in the category.
Okay.
Uh, the fifth one is acting like your take on religion and how life works and politics and, and fill in the blank is, is a hundred percent correct and everybody else is wrong.
(12:34):
And then we sort of box people into a corner That's bad evangelism.
Yep.
And often we do.
And why do I list all those things connected to evangelism?
'cause that's kind of how people.
Take us as Christians, like, we come off as like, you know, you support this person or that person in politics, or you're against this issue, or that, or you know, there's only my way and like, wow, Christians don't even believe there's one way, there's thousands of denominations.
(12:58):
My point is not that you can't be have a conviction, it's acting like your view on all this stuff is a hundred percent correct and everybody else is, is wrong.
That's bad evangelism.
Yep.
And it certainly doesn't feel or sound like good news to others when we do that.
It's antagonistic, it's argumentative.
And even when we're like, like I said, really certain of what we believe in our faith and what the Bible teaches, our posture and how we discuss these things is a huge proclamation of who God is and displaying the heart of our father.
(13:27):
Yep.
God's never pushy.
He's patient.
He's kind, he's slow to anger, he's gentle, he's generous, he's loving, and you know what?
He's available.
Yeah.
And oftentimes we sort of do these drive-by shootings.
I, I sometimes I've called it like just sitting in the corner and chucking rocks at people, you know?
Yeah.
Do you hang out with those people?
No.
'cause of this, like, so we point out their sin.
(13:49):
I've talked to him about it.
They didn't wanna hear anything about it.
They're rejectors, they're going straight to hell.
It's like, please don't call that evangelism.
That's just jerky.
That's just being beep.
You know, like, you know, not good.
All right.
Sixth one is, and you kind of alluded to this just a second ago, is separating evangelism from discipleship and discipleship from evangelism.
Heath Hollensbe (14:10):
Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski (14:10):
Jesus said, if you'll walk in my ways, in John eight, he says, if you'll walk in my ways and be my disciple, then you'll come to know the truth.
He meant like in every area of life.
And that truth will set you free.
Yeah.
And so we look at that and we go like, oh, wait a minute.
Jesus didn't ask people to first believe a set of doctrines and principles before they could hang out with him.
He said, come and follow.
Come and follow me.
(14:31):
Hang out with me.
And he did life, right?
Yeah.
And so his form of evangelism looked exactly like discipleship, but we talk about discipleship is the process of moving from unbelief to belief.
In every area of life in light of the gospel.
Yep.
So then wait a minute.
You can't do discipleship without the gospel transforming all of our beliefs.
So then what Jesus said, so we get set free.
(14:51):
Hmm.
It is for freedom that I have come set you free.
Right, exactly.
So I think we've done ourself a huge disservice when we separate.
And put evangelism on one as like on a continuum before discipleship or vice versa, or just purely the separating of those two.
Heath Hollensbe (15:05):
Yep.
They're way
Caesar Kalinowski (15:06):
more inter, they're way more interconnected.
Heath Hollensbe (15:08):
Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski (15:09):
So it's, it's a, it's an evangelism, quote unquote mistake.
Evangelism is discipleship.
Discipleship is evangelism, and it's over the long haul.
We've said it before in the show, quote, my buddy Hugh Halter, that when he meets someone.
For the first time, and he knows they don't have a relationship with God or Jesus in in, in the right sense and they're walking with him.
He just counts on it.
(15:30):
Taking five years probably.
Yeah.
For them to come to a point where they've walked in his ways enough and come to know the truth about him and been set free enough that they can trust him as lowered and savior of their whole life.
Yeah.
Sounds like Jesus, right.
Three year commitment.
Yeah, man.
Okay.
The seventh one.
And this, this one kinda wraps up a lot of stuff, man.
But the seventh worst mistake in evangelism is loving yourself more than other people or God's glory.
(15:56):
We love ourselves more than people.
We love ourselves more than God's glory.
Hmm.
And so, so you avoid speaking about the truth and the good news of the gospel and who Jesus is and what he's done and, and how we get to live now because of that.
And, and we do that because we love ourselves and we fear what others may think.
Self-love and fear of man is a huge barrier to evangelism, and it's one of the worst mistakes we make now.
(16:20):
We can't just wave a magic wand.
Yeah.
And say, well, I'm done with that.
But that's the thing that is the biggest hurdle was we love ourselves more than we love people in God's glory, and we're not that fluent.
We've talked about gospel fluency a lot on the show.
We're not that versed or able to speak in ways that are actually good news to people.
(16:41):
Since I love myself and I don't ever want anybody to think poorly of me, or I don't want to risk any relational strife, or I don't want my neighbor thinking I'm a weirdo or whatever because I love me.
You know, I can control that.
I won't say anything that's bad.
And that's really, I think why we have a huge evangelism.
It's one of the big reasons, one of the seven, why we have a huge evangelism crisis right now in the church.
Heath Hollensbe (17:02):
You know, even as you're just talking there, I'm thinking about how amazing.
The differences are when I'm looking at evangelism from what I grew up hearing in a local church versus what you had just talked about.
Mm. Because, uh, again, the soul winning thing, I remember the chick tracks, you know, where it's like, Hey, hand out the, I just saw something on Instagram today where someone said,
Caesar Kalinowski (17:19):
someone just handed me this.
Yeah.
And I can't even tell you how many ways the theology is bad.
And they had a couple pictures there.
Oh yeah.
Some guy, some guy commented and said like literally someone keeps taping him to the front of my car.
Chick tracks in my driveway and I'm the pastor's and I live in the parsonage right next to the church with the sign.
Like they just have no clue.
Yeah.
Oh, we were
Heath Hollensbe (17:38):
down at the water the other day and somebody was handing out million dollar bills with like.
To my kids.
I've done, I've
Caesar Kalinowski (17:43):
had it.
Heath Hollensbe (17:43):
I was like, you know, you going to hell.
I used
Caesar Kalinowski (17:44):
to do that wacky stuff, man.
Heath Hollensbe (17:46):
So it's so di I mean, this way actually sounds like repent.
Jesus.
I repented.
I did
Caesar Kalinowski (17:48):
that to you.
I'm so sorry.
And you happen to be listening.
I repent.
Stop by the house.
I will repent on my face to you.
If I find a,
Heath Hollensbe (17:56):
if I find a chi track in public, I. Personally throw it away.
'cause I feel it's doing the Lord work.
Oh, please bring
Caesar Kalinowski (18:00):
it to me.
Let's take pictures and put 'em on Instagram.
Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe (18:02):
Hey, what first steps would you say people could take to begin to feel more confident and better equipped for this good, solid, effective type of evangelism that you just shared?
Caesar Kalinowski (18:12):
Great question.
Heath.
I, I'll take us back to, to the first number one item on the list today.
Um, and that's believe in a bigger gospel.
We really need to understand the gospel.
That's a gospel about all of life.
I know that's almost like a broken record on the podcast, but we have to, we, we've gotta see the beauty and immensity and the relevance of the gospel speaking into and transforming all of life and experiencing life of freedom in, in the kingdom, knowing of the father's love and what he thinks of us and how we get to live our identity, our authority and privilege.
(18:43):
And so I, you know, I think.
That's where I'd say is like, if you have that sort of lack of confidence that I can even sound like good news.
Sure.
Invest yourself, like, grow in your gospel fluency.
I I'm gonna put a link to a couple of really great resources in the show notes.
Okay.
Um, I do a, a free webinar called the Gospel in Everyday Life, and I'm gonna put a link to that.
(19:04):
And that'll really help people, you know, put their foot on the path.
And then also my book, bigger Gospel, which that webinar is kind of based on, it's, it's actually available right now for free.
I'll, it's a hard, it's a book, it's a full printed book.
It's not an ebook.
I'll ship it to your house if you're willing to pick up the shipping to handling on the book.
It's like seven bucks or something.
Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe (19:21):
that's not bad at all.
Caesar Kalinowski (19:22):
So if you want the book, it's, you know, you can go and buy it and go to, you know, go to my website and find it and buy it.
But I'll, I'll put a link in the show notes where all you have to do is pick up the shipping and I'll ship it to you for free.
Fair enough.
Easy.
Yeah.
So those are some real practical steps.
Don't just think about it, just, just don't think about all the barriers, but like start to make a difference by growing in your own gospel fluency.
So
Heath Hollensbe (19:42):
sweet man.
Thanks for that.
Yeah, a lot of giveaways this week.
Hey, uh, we wanna get to the big three, which are the big three takeaways.
If, if nothing else we want you to walk away with from this week's episode and you get as a printable PDF right into your inbox by going to everyday disciple.com/big three.
Cesar, what are the big three for this week?
Here you
Caesar Kalinowski (19:59):
go.
I'm, I'm wound up for these.
Okay.
Okay.
So the first one is like, hear this.
Believe it or not, most people are very open to having spiritual conversations.
Hmm.
I believe that with all my heart.
I just, that's been my experience all over the country.
All over the world.
Sure.
But it must be, those spiritual conversations must be in the right context at the right time, and we must have the right heart posture in order for it to truly be a conversation that others want to participate in.
(20:26):
Sure.
So people are open to spiritual conversations, but not jerky.
Weird ones like some of the things on the list and, and they, you want 'em to be open to it and maybe even willing to like revisit that and come back.
Let me think about that and come back.
So asking more questions and listening well, especially at the beginning of a relationship is a lot more important than trying to.
Win the conversation on the spot.
Alright, man.
(20:46):
Number two.
Okay.
Number two, we must understand this is kinda what I just said a minute ago.
We must understand and believe a really big gospel that speaks good news into every area of life.
Starting with our own, we need to be evangelizing our own hearts.
I.
Before, we'll probably love people and love God enough.
We must also love God and His glory more than our own comfort and our control over what people think of us.
(21:07):
Yep.
Like do you believe that Jesus' life, death, and resurrection and his loving rule in your life is merely a convenient thing for your afterlife?
And so that's why you said that prayer and your.
You're, you're glad that you're in the club or are you grateful and have a desire for everyone to experience the freedom that you have in Christ.
See that changes things a lot.
It sure does.
(21:27):
Absolutely.
Alright, number three.
Alright, number three.
This is the sort of hands part of it, like the practicum start groan in your gospel fluency so that we have good news to proclaim.
That's essential learning to speak and live and enjoy the gospel in every area of life.
Not just like, eh, I'm a church person kind of waiting for heaven with, you know, behavioral modification for me and the kids, you know, and my neighbors that'll listen, you know?
(21:48):
Yeah.
But, but like learning to experience in, in like, like really live out the gospel in every area of life allows us to proclaim the gospel in both words and throughout all the normal stuff of life as people interact with us in our community.
So get the resources and training you need.
Take me up on those offers for.
Free webinar, online training, free book, and then share with others in your family and your community so you can begin to evangelize yourselves and each other before you know, kind of heading out in the road to do that for everyone else.
(22:17):
Remember that moving from unbelief to belief concerning the truth of the gospel in every area of life is what discipleship is.
So as we learn to evangelize ourselves, that's gonna also totally pump up.
Our discipleship as well.
'cause that's what discipleship's all about.
Heath Hollensbe (22:31):
Thank you for those big three.
Yeah.
Again, you get those four free in your inbox right now as a download by going to everyday disciple.com/big three.
And if you haven't yet joined us, uh, in rating our show and given us a couple of stars on iTunes or now we're not just on iTunes.
We're on Spotify.
Spotify, yeah.
Yeah.
We're all over the place.
Would you jump in and write a quick review?
Takes about 30 seconds.
(22:52):
Give us a couple stars.
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So that ding, the thing shows up every Monday
Caesar Kalinowski (22:56):
in your box on Monday.
Heath Hollensbe (22:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and then that also gets the, the news of the show out to some new people that I don't know how the algorithms work, but
Caesar Kalinowski (23:04):
boy, I wanna say, I wanna say a shout out to all the new folks on our Facebook group.
Heath Hollensbe (23:08):
Wow.
If you're not yet on Facebook in our group, just go to everyday disciple.com/facebook and you can join our conversation.
Thanks for joining us today.
For more information on this show and to get loads of free discipleship resources, visit everyday disciple.com and remember, you really can live with the spiritual freedom and relational peace that Jesus promised every day.
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