April 15, 2025 • 23 mins
Julia Wiard’s Auburn journey is a rollercoaster ride of unexpected twists and turns.
Growing up in Selma, Alabama, she was a die-hard fan of the orange and blue, thanks to her dad and grandparents who are all Auburn University alumni.
“We grew up really loving Auburn,” explained Wiard.
But in her senior year of high school, Wiard's rebel spirit led her to seek a different path.
“It was the most rebellious thing I’ve ever done,” recalled Wiard. “I thought I needed a different experience, and needed to prove that I could do it.”
Full of determination, Wiard ventured out of state to earn her bachelor’s degree in educational psychology from Mississippi State University and later her master’s in college student personnel administration from the University of Central Arkansas.
“It helped me build independence as a leader and learn more about myself,” she said.
However, the thought of returning to her Auburn roots always lingered in the back of Wiard’s mind. And sixteen years ago, she did just that.
“I really can't take all the credit for it,” Wiard said. “My husband Nick saw a job opening at Auburn he thought would be perfect for me and urged me to apply.”
Wiard ended up accepting the position, relocating with her husband and two young children to Auburn in 2009. After a stint in student affairs, she has served as the instructor and coordinator for Auburn's Leadership Minor program since 2011.
“I had the opportunity to start teaching one class in the leadership minor, and then one class turned into two classes,” recalled Wiard. “Eventually it turned into the opportunity to direct the minor and teach both the intro and the capstone courses.”
The Leadership Minor program is part of Auburn’s University College, which is under the Office of the Provost. When Wiard began teaching in the minor, there was only one student enrolled. Today the program has well over 100 students at any given time that are declared in the minor.
In the Leadership Minor, students can tailor their coursework to complement any major. Courses on problem solving, decision making and civic engagement draw students from all majors and disciplines. It’s that diversity that benefits every student who signs up.
“Some come into class haven't really having that organizational experience yet where they've gotten to think about what kind of leader they want to be,” explained Wiard. “The great thing about leadership classes is there something you can use instantly in your student organization, in your job, your internship or your athletic team."
Over the years, Wiard has worked many student organizations to provide leadership development, including College of Liberal Arts Career Development, Greek Life and Auburn Athletics. Last summer, she led a study abroad leadership class in Madrid, Spain.
Student interest in Auburn’s Leadership Minor program has grown by leaps and bounds leading to the expansion of course offerings next year.
“We’re going to offer more sections of the intro course to allow more students to get into the minor,” said Wiard.
Wiard, who is consistently ranked by students as one of Auburn’s top professors, maintains it is building relationships that make her job worthwhile.
She ensures her students don’t just learn about leadership—they live it.
“I do love those big moments when a student runs for something or they apply for something and they email me to let me know they got the job,” she said. “It's cool to get to be part of their experience.”
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Hey everybody, welcome backto the Everything Auburn
Podcast, DaltonOdom and Carter Gustin here.
This is our eighth episode,but believe it or not, it's
Carter and I seventh forthe season.
We were doing the math earlierbecause I got I didn't get
added to the podcasttill after we did the first one.
And Dalton was on medicalfor when
Dalton had a concussion.
But we're back. And better.
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Yeah.
Although the pollen is tryingto keep me out of it right now.
Dude, I'm really fighting itpretty hard. It's so bad.
But welcome back.
We got anotherwonderful guest here.
Another memberof the Auburn family. Yes.
And I'm really excited.
Yes, we have Mrs.
Julia Waird here today.
She leads the leadership minor,which I am
extremely glad and lucky.
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I got to take one of her classeswhen I was an undergrad.
And before we start,we have some of your Rate
my professor reviewsthat we would like to make,
and we want to start with heron the spot for these.
We did not tell herabout this part.
So we have three of them.
So we'll start.
Mrs.
Waird as an all timefavorite professor
here at Auburn,I learned so much about myself
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through the leadershipminor program.
First one second,Julia is simply the best
professor at Auburn.
She is passionateabout Auburn's leadership
minor program.
She tries to get to knowall the students in the class
and gives great lectures.
And then number three,my time in the leadership
minor has been incredible.
I have learneddifferent leadership styles,
communication tactics,and what it takes to be
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an effective leader on campus.
So if that doesn't tell youanything about the guests
you're going to have here today,I don't know what will,
but what do you have to sayabout all that?
I feel free to react.
I really appreciate that.
I cannot bring myselfto look at those
my students knowI don't look at.
Rate my professor.
They've mentioned ita few times, like, oh yeah, your
your reviews are good.
What's funny thoughis I have two daughters
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that are 15 and 17and they love to read, my rate
my professorand like to kind of roast me
with the comments sometimeswhen we're in the car.
Good dinner conversation is gooddinner conversation.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you. Yeah.
Well, welcome.
As as evidencedby these comments, but you do
some really incredible stuffwith leadership.
It's such a cool majoror minor to take.
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And it covers.
We were talkingwe met about a year ago
to do a video,and what was so intriguing
to me is how applicable it isin every like any student,
every studentcan benefit from it.
And it's so coolbecause I'm sure
you get such a widerange of students
you get to interact with.
I do, and that's honestlymy favorite thing
about the minor, because it'svery centrally housed.
So it's part ofuniversity College,
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which is in the Officeof the Provost, and we're able
to draw students from all majorsin all disciplines,
which just bringssuch a depth of conversation
and experience into class.
It's just really fun.
And, Dalton,you probably remember
a little bit of that experienceas you have students
that are just having thiswide variety of leadership
roles on campus.
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Some come into classand they haven't really had that
organizational experience yet,or they maybe haven't had a job
or a team experience,where they've really gotten
to think aboutwhat kind of leader
they want to be,and they get met class
and they get to hearfrom each other
and, and learn allthese new things.
And that's probably my favoritepart of it is just,
the different studentsthat I get to work
with every semester.
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Yeah. That's incredible.
So in thinking of leadershipminor, here's
the first thing I think of.
Right.
Or the first like questionI really am curious about
leadership is very subjective.
Yes.
College classes, very objective.
How on earth do you teacha subjective concept
in an objective way?
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You try to blend the two.
Okay.
One of the things I approachboth of my classes with.
So I teach an intro courseand then I teach
a capstone course,the intro course.
Our students,who typically have not had
other leadership classeswithin the minor yet or students
that are taking itjust as a free elective.
And so those studentsare all coming in
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with this perspectivefrom their major,
from their previousexperiences, from,
you know, thingsthat they did in high school.
And so what I try to dois present the information
in a way that I hopethey're filtering it
through those experiencesand saying, okay,
she talked about like right nowin my intro course,
we're talking about,group dynamics.
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We're talking aboutstages of development.
And what I hope they're doingis taking that
information and saying,what does that look like for me?
What does that look likein my organization or at my job
or in my athletic team,or even in my future job
that I might have?
Yeah, that makes it.
I mean, it's it's so incredible.
It's like because it isthere's nobody that can't
you can benefit from.
Absolutely.
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And I can only imaginehow fun it is
to be in this class,because there's
so much conversationand there's so much
like group work and group think.
And it's just, it'sit sounds so much
I hate that I didn't take it.
I'm so jealous of Dalton.
Come back in on it.
And now I really should,I need it I am a I have people
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I have works for meand I'm like,
I should probably takeyou should. It's great.
Yeah, yeah, I'll take it.
So fun fact for me,when I took her class,
it was the semesterthat Covid broke out.
And so I got to see her being ashe was already a leader.
Obviously, she was leadingher classroom,
but even more firsthand,you were navigating
so many different things.
I mean, we all were. Yeah.
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But get to use some of your.
Yeah, I really did.
And I've stillcontinued to use it.
You know, we're gettingto a point where students,
you know, kind of like yourselfthat were here during Covid,
have graduated and are in theirprofessional roles.
Most of the studentsthat we have
now were still in juniorhigh and high school,
but we still talk about ita fair amount in class.
We talk about thatvery adaptive quality
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that we all, everyone of us,whether you were a student,
whether you were a teacher,whether you were
in your professional role,you know, almost everyone,
had to adapt in some way.
And I know for me,you got to experience
I had neverrecorded a lecture before.
I had not taughta class on zoom.
I think I had only used zooma handful of times,
prior to that.
And suddenly,you know, within a few days,
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I was trying to figure outhow to pivot a class
that I had taughtfor almost a decade
into this new formatand still keep
the students engaged,and still sort of help
them stay connectedand finish out that semester.
So it was anit was very challenging.
But at the same time,the things that I learned from
that experience,I still incorporate
into the classroom.
And then some of the examplesthat I learned, you know, I'm
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still using as an examplefive years later. Yeah.
So another, fun thingthat I happen to know
about the leadership minorthat I have a bit of inside
baseball informationon, I'm sure you know
where I'm going is less.
Was it last summeryou guys get to do a study
abroad? Yes. Yes.
You were in.
How did you know that?
You told me about.
Oh, that's right, that's right.
I forgot we werewe were doing the video.
Actually, we talked about itbecause we had just met,
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and you're like, just found outthat it was even going
to be happening.
You went to Madrid?
We did.
We spent about a monthin Madrid. How was that?
That was anincredible experience.
And to be able to teach in sucha concentrated environment,
you know, usuallywe're stretching things
out over four monthsand to teach a class
in three weeksand to have those students
for three hours every day,you know, you
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normally you teach a Monday,Wednesday, Friday
class, and after 50 minutesthey're packing up
and going to the next class.
And this was their sole focusfor that three hour
period every morning.
And the conversationsthat we got to have you,
when you've got three hours,you can really get into,
some pretty good conversation.
You can, do some activitiesthat we couldn't do
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in 50 minutesthat we were a little bit
more limited on,on, on campus courses.
It was an incredible experience.
It was also somethingI got to share with my family,
which I think has beenreally a thread
throughout my entireexperience at Auburn,
is really getting to share that,with my husband
and with my daughter.
So to get to have thembe part of
that was really specialto me. Wonderful.
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Well, that kind ofnaturally leads to
to kind of the next thing,which is my favorite question
to ask anybody ever istell me how you got to Auburn.
What's your kind ofAuburn journey,
what you got hereand how that kind
of worked out for you?
I think you and Ihave talked about this.
I'm pretty sure we have.
I'm pretty sure I have a memoryof talking to you about this,
but my Auburn story,has a couple of of twists
and turns to it.
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So I grew up.
I'm from Selma, Alabama,which is about two hours
away from Auburn, and grew up inan Auburn family.
My dad went to Auburn.
My grandparents,went to Auburn, you know,
several other extendedfamily members
and grew up reallyloving Auburn.
And then my senior yearof high school, probably the one
really rebellious thingI've ever done was I said,
I need a different experience.
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You know, I need toto get out of state
and prove that I can do this.
And I went out of statefor my undergrad
in my graduate degrees,and that was a really,
good experience toto help me sort of
build that independenceas a leader
and learn a little bitabout myself.
But ultimately, you know,there's that little
tick in the backof my mind of like, okay,
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but maybe one dayI'll end up back at Auburn,
or maybe this will be somethingthat'll be in my path
at some point.
And I really can'ttake all the credit for it.
My husband and I were livingand working in Kentucky
after we got married,and we had our first child.
We were talking aboutwhat the future might look like.
And he happenedto attend a conference
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where there was somebodyfrom Auburn there.
They started chatting.
He said, you know, mywife's from the area.
She's, you know, from thisthis big Auburn family.
We'd loveto get back to that area
at some point.
So Nick gets all of the creditfor getting us here.
And then about a year later,I can remember
we had had our second childat that point,
and I'm kind of just enjoyingspending time with them.
(09:31):
And famous last wordsI said, you know,
I think I'm kind of enjoyingbeing home for a little bit.
And my husbandtexted me one day.
He said, hey, listen,the job that you were doing
at our previous institution isopen at Auburn, and if you don't
apply for this now,it may not come around again.
That's real.
I mean, really and truly thisI don't know,
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but this was a great jobworking in leadership
development.
And and I can remember thattext of I, you know, I think
you need to go for this.
It might not come back around.
And so I was in that jobfor seven years.
I was really fortunateto get it.
And I think our paths crossed,when I was working
in student affairs,while I was in student
affairs, though,I had the opportunity
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to start teaching just one classin the leadership,
and then one classturned into two classes.
And then eventuallyit turned in the opportune
into the opportunityto direct the minor and teach
both the introand the capstone courses.
That's incredible.
It's funny because thatthat journey is very similar
to mine is is I grew up on fan.
I did go to Auburn. Yeah.
But then I left because, like,I want to live out on my own.
(10:35):
And then I got a phonecall from a friend.
I was kind ofin the process of like,
looking for a new jobas looking for a change.
I got a phone callfrom a friend, said,
do you know anybodywho would be good
for this job or a job?
Opening in Auburn was like,I might know somebody.
I kind of want to go back.
But the other thing thatI think is really cool,
I'm getting experienceit now, just barely.
My daughter is two years old.
But growing up an olderfan, like, I mean,
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there's pictures of meat six years, five years old,
football games, rolling Toomer’sis like coming to campus.
This place is like,I know this place
like the back of my hand.
And then getting toraise my daughter here
and have a family here and getand take them to do Auburn
like I remember I did.
This was the kid.
The yearafter we moved to Auburn's,
we moved to Auburn in 2009,and our youngest daughter,
Avery, was born that fall.
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And the next yearwas the year that we won
the national championship.
And so I have pictures ofat the time,
I think my three year old, thatwhich would be my oldest,
who is about to be a seniorin high school now. Oh boy.
You know, under all of the treesand you can see the toilet paper
kind of cascading over her head.
And it's just some ofmy favorite memories
of things like that.
And they really havethey've grown up,
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they've grown up going to Greek,saying they've grown up
going to campus games.
When they were little,if we went to something
they thought I'll bewas there to see them.
And that has just been reallyone of the best
things is to be ableto include them
in that experience.
Yeah. That's wonderful.
Well, do you have anyI mean, does anything
put you on the spothere a little bit?
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And Dalton, I'llask you the same question.
Put you both on the spot here.
Favorite.
Any favorite memoriesyou can think of?
It can be leadershipminor related.
Oh, wow.
Life at Auburn.
I knowyou've had a couple positions
and kind of transition here.
Anything come to mind?
And maybe I'll make Daltongo first?
Yeah, could be anything.
Should I go first?
It makes sense.
I want to ask it.
Sure.
It's just to kind ofgive you a second
to think about it.
Yeah,I know what mine is for sure,
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because I used towork in athletics. Right.
So I used to work for football.
And when I knew I was leaving,I had already accepted
the position I was leaving.
It was mid football season.
I was working for footballand I was like,
this is a dream, right?
I was working my last home game.
The team had just goneinto the locker room
and I was like,I'm going to take a moment
for myself.
And I went and stoodon the 50 yard line, midfield,
90,000 people.
And I was like, I'm never gonnado this again.
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I was like, crying, like,what's like glasses up?
Like, nobody look at me.
I'm like, okay.
But it was it's definitelylike it's really cool moment.
But I think it's so interestingfor people that grew up as fans,
grew up coming to campusand have come back
professionally worked here.
You have such a life,you can't not think about it.
I've described itas like grandmothers cooking.
It's like, man, you know, man,do I miss my grandmothers,
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you know, scalloped potatoes.
It just makes you feelall warm and fuzzy inside.
I feel about Auburnthe same way.
Yeah.
I mean, becoming the MC man wasobviously that's a good one.
The it's been my dreamsince I was 13
and I didn't thinkit was going to happen.
And so fun fact for everybody,I didn't become the nightmare
until my fifth year of college.
I went to school, I went toI went to Southern Union first,
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and I transferred inand not all of my credits
transferred.
So I had to do a fifth year.
So it really worked out.
And then I applied to gradschool, did a two year program.
So I got to do it for three,which was great, but
my last Iron Bowl at home.
So the Mic Manalways wears earplugs
so he can kind of stillhear himself
as is calling cheersfrom midfield.
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And right before I startto do the last year,
which is always great to be,I took one out just so I could
hear how loud it was downthere, and I
started kind of gettingchoked up.
I was like, I did this.
So I was like, it's not me.
We're all cheering for Auburn.
But but me being like,just midfield, taking one out,
you know, I kind of got offbeat a little bit,
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but I was like, I had to.
Me and Dalton also famouslyvery emotional people.
We've cried on this podcast.
How many,just one, the very first one.
Yeah.
We both were likesitting in the seats,
like single tearsrolling down. Oh my.
Oh my gosh.
So we're not afraid to.
That's fine. That's fine.
Anyway. Next I'll say this.
This is not myfavorite moment Dalton.
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But I do rememberwhen you were named Mike
man the first yearbecause, I mean, you had these
students in class,and sometimes you're
lucky enoughthat you get to see them
move into thoseleadership roles.
And I rememberyou being named at call outs
that year and going,that's one of my students.
Even though I hadbeen several semesters
since you had been in my class.
But I really rememberthe year you were named.
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It's not necessarily my favoriteAuburn moment, but.
But I do love those big momentswhen a student
runs for something or they applyfor something you know
are they email meto let me know that
I got that job?
It's cool to get to be partof that experience. Oh, yeah.
So you talked about cryingat Auburn big Auburn moment.
So I do that.
My childrengive me a really hard time.
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Even there was thethe hype video
for the basketball gamethat came out the other day
that had Bryce Brownnarrating, and I'm showing it
to every member of my family.
And you can see the tearswelling up in my eyes,
and my children are just going,it's my favorite moment.
And I don't knowif you'll remember this one.
But we're big gymnastics fans.
We think of gymnastics meetssince our girls were babies,
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because when they're little,it's contained, it's inside.
They're not goingto get too hot,
and there's alwayssomething going on.
And if you remember,you know, years ago,
I mean, I have a 17 yearold and a 15 year old.
You used to be able to,if you're shorter than Jeff
Graba you could get in for free.
And then eventually we startedgetting season tickets
because we really likedthe idea of,
you know, having thesededicated seats and,
you know, knowingthat we could go
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to every single meet.
I was so thankful that we did.
But I thinkand I looked it up recently,
I think it was 2016was the first year
that we beat Bama in gymnastics,and we were in the stands
and I had thesetwo little girls there,
and it was one of those thingswhere like when they hit
that last routineand you see the score go up
and you know that they wonand I just start falling like,
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I don't know, a single gymnaston the team that year.
Like I have noconnection at all.
But I just start bawling and myone of my daughters
is looking at me like,what is wrong with you?
But I love thatwe get to be part
of those moments.
And I thinkyou said it really well.
I mean, it just becomespart of your history.
And we still talk about things.
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You know, I'll text my husbandsome days and say,
did you know it's been six yearssince this happened or ten years
since this moment?
And it really is forever.
And we'll do that to you.
And and you'll appreciate thisas your daughter gets older.
Is it mile markstheir life, too, as you'll say.
I can't believethat's been ten years.
They were so littlewhen that happened.
And now they're driving carsand thinking about going
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to college themselves.
And do you rememberhow little they were
when we went to that?
Or we got to experience that?
So it really marksyour family's experience too.
Yeah, I'mhaving a crazy like, just
I don't want to say dejavu moment in my head,
but like just a memorythat's popped up.
So the semesterthat I took your class,
there was another chair.
This was beforeI was a cheerleader.
There was a tutorand the cheerleader.
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There was athere was a student in there
named Charlotte Daytonwho cheered here.
And I rememberwalking in the class
that first day and being like,oh my gosh, I'm so nervous
because we sat like a few desksaway from one another.
But yeah,and the night court happened
and I heard my name.
She came up to me,also crying, hugged me.
I was like, like,I'm so proud of you.
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Like, we've.
Because I had beenwe were like, one semester.
Apart from that class.
Anyway, just reminded me of.
Yeah, because it was agood, dear class.
And anyway, Hank Auburndo want to bring it
back to leadership,if you will. Yeah.
What does kind of the futureof the leadership
minor look like?
If you get tostudy abroad again,
what's it look likeif I'm a prospectus student
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wanting to get in leadershipminor, a lot of things
have that opportunityto go abroad again.
I think one exciting thingis just seeing
the growth of the minorright now.
So we're actuallyexpanding the courses next year,
to offer more sectionsof the intro course,
which will allow more studentsto get into that minor.
It's still a great electiveto, for students
who don't have that capacityto add a full minor
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to their curriculum,but just want,
a really good class to help.
Either supplement it,something that they're maybe
not getting, you know,in their own curriculum
or somethingthat they're doing on campus.
I think that's the great thingabout those classes
is it's somethingthat you get to use instantly.
You know, you get to use itin your student organization.
You get to use it in your jobor your internship.
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You get to use itin your athletic team.
And I lovewhen students come back
and make those connectionsin class.
I think that's somethingI'm really excited about
is just to see the growthof the minor.
It started as one student.
There was one studentwhen I started
teaching in that minor,and now we have,
well over 100 students at anygiven time that are declared
in the minor and then many morethat are just
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taking the courses, as well.
So that's somethingI'm really excited about.
Every semesterhas been a little different.
And other opportunitiesto either collaborate
with other programs,to help facilitate workshops.
You know, I've,I've done work with,
Greek Life for several years.
So we do a big leadershiptraining
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with their recruitment staff,once a year
that I think we're going onabout ten years.
That's incredible of doing thatwhere I go
into leadership trainingwith all 150
of their recruitment staff,it is one of the
highlights of my year.
I look forward to itevery single time.
But doing more thingslike that, it's
so fun to predictand then whatever
I think is going to happen,you know,
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it just goes in the completeopposite direction
of what we end up getting to dowithin that minor
every semester.
Well that's incredible.
I think we'reclosing in on time.
But I had one storyI wanted to tell, about.
It's a good story to make sureI wouldn't tell a bad story.
So funny thinghappens around the office,
and I'm sureyou've experienced this.
It's like, hey,you guys having the podcast
next is a questionI get asked often.
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It was,oh, we're having Julia Waird
leadership minor.
And I was like,oh, she's the best.
Oh, she's great.
And it's like,oh, I haven't met her,
but I've heard, I've heardshe's incredible, right?
And whenever I hear that,I always tell the same story
and it's, yeah, this is sucha great opportunity
that I get to tell it to you,which is we met,
about a year ago for a video.
You guys were shifting wherewhere the leadership
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minor was replacing.
What can I do a video promotepromoting it.
And we had, like,a 30 minute meeting.
Nothing crazy.
Whatever that videoget delegated.
I didn't produce that video,so we didn't really interact
that much.
Six months later,we're at an event.
I think it was the holiday treelighting ceremony
at Stanford Lawnand about six months later
ran into you in linewaiting for hot chocolate.
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Hello? Hey, Carter.
How's it going?
And it was such an impactfulmoment for me.
It was so coolbecause you had no business
knowing me.
We'd met six months later.
Yes, six months later.
And the fact that, like,you remembered my name,
you wanted to talk to me.
And it was such areally cool thing.
And it's this.
I tell it to everybody now,whenever it's
such an incredible moment,it's such a cool thing.
And it really,it made me feel special.
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And it's not somethingthat happens
if someone is horriblewith names.
Are you about to cry?
I can, you're looking atI'm not about to cry.
You're looking at melike you're going to.
But it is.
And it was really incredible.
And I loveI, I've told that story
about 15 timesin the last week or two.
Thank you.
Thinking about likewe're going to have Julia
on its going to be great.
So I've told that toso many people.
And I thought it was really coolthat I would get a chance
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to tell you.
That was really thanks so much.
To me, it's the best thingabout working at Auburn
now is the relationships.
I mean, I reallyI think if I would tell anyone
with the best thing, because we,you have friends
that that don't workfor the university
or don't live in Auburn.
And they say, what is it like?
What is it like?
And it just is so much funto build those relationships
and to run into people at lunchand to run into people
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at the holiday lighting and tokeep up with what
their kids are doing.
And to me,that is just my reason
for coming to work every day isis to get to build
those relationships,whether it's with my students
or with other peopleat the university.
Well, it was it was really cool.
It stuck out to me.
It was really that wasthat was really appreciate
a long time ago.
And I still think it feels likeit was yesterday.
It was reallyit was a really incredible well,
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to close out here,I wonder if there's someone
that's a little bitmore information
here, a little bit more about,interest in leadership minor.
What's kind of the routeyou want to take should take
to hear more about,this whole point of contact.
You can just show me.
I'm so easy to find.
It's Julia@auburn.eduSomehow lucked into
that email addressabout 13 years ago.
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And so it is just it's joyat Auburn.
Or they can go to our website,which is just the all be link
slash lead.
So lead,are just Google leadership
minor.
And I you know, I love toI love to talk to parents.
I love to talk to students.
You know anyone that wantsmore information about it?
I'm always happy to sharesome of the good things,
that people are doingwithin the minor.
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Well, wonderful.
Well, thank you for doingsome incredible work
and teaching the future.
Thank you.
And kind ofhelping the student body
grow and be better leaders.
That'sthat's an incredible work.
Well,I think that's just about it,
for us.
Thank you to Julia againfor joining us
and spending time with us.
If you've enjoyed this,like hearing the sultry
sound of our voices here,you can listen to more
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wherever you'relistening to us now,
there are more.
We spoken to Miss America.
We've spoken to the strengthcoach of Auburns Mens
basketball team.
We've spoken to researchers.
We spoke to so many people,and there'll be more next month.
So we're excited for that.
Visitour podcast hub to see more.
And excited for next time.
But for Dalton and Juliaand our producer
over there, off camera, Kim,I'm Carter, thank you so much.
And War Eagle.
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War Eagle. War Eagle.
Hey everybody, welcome backto the Everything Auburn
Podcast, DaltonOdom and Carter Gustin here.
This is our eighth episode,but believe it or not, it's
Carter and I seventh forthe season.
We were doing the math earlierbecause I got I didn't get
added to the podcasttill after we did the first one.
And Dalton was on medicalfor when
Dalton had a concussion.
But we're back. And better.
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Yeah.
Although the pollen is tryingto keep me out of it right now.
Dude, I'm really fighting itpretty hard. It's so bad.
But welcome back.
We got anotherwonderful guest here.
Another memberof the Auburn family. Yes.
And I'm really excited.
Yes, we have Mrs.
Julia Waird here today.
She leads the leadership minor,which I am
extremely glad and lucky.
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I got to take one of her classeswhen I was an undergrad.
And before we start,we have some of your Rate
my professor reviewsthat we would like to make,
and we want to start with heron the spot for these.
We did not tell herabout this part.
So we have three of them.
So we'll start.
Mrs.
Waird as an all timefavorite professor
here at Auburn,I learned so much about myself
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through the leadershipminor program.
First one second,Julia is simply the best
professor at Auburn.
She is passionateabout Auburn's leadership
minor program.
She tries to get to knowall the students in the class
and gives great lectures.
And then number three,my time in the leadership
minor has been incredible.
I have learneddifferent leadership styles,
communication tactics,and what it takes to be
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an effective leader on campus.
So if that doesn't tell youanything about the guests
you're going to have here today,I don't know what will,
but what do you have to sayabout all that?
I feel free to react.
I really appreciate that.
I cannot bring myselfto look at those
my students knowI don't look at.
Rate my professor.
They've mentioned ita few times, like, oh yeah, your
your reviews are good.
What's funny thoughis I have two daughters
(01:47):
that are 15 and 17and they love to read, my rate
my professorand like to kind of roast me
with the comments sometimeswhen we're in the car.
Good dinner conversation is gooddinner conversation.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you. Yeah.
Well, welcome.
As as evidencedby these comments, but you do
some really incredible stuffwith leadership.
It's such a cool majoror minor to take.
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And it covers.
We were talkingwe met about a year ago
to do a video,and what was so intriguing
to me is how applicable it isin every like any student,
every studentcan benefit from it.
And it's so coolbecause I'm sure
you get such a widerange of students
you get to interact with.
I do, and that's honestlymy favorite thing
about the minor, because it'svery centrally housed.
So it's part ofuniversity College,
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which is in the Officeof the Provost, and we're able
to draw students from all majorsin all disciplines,
which just bringssuch a depth of conversation
and experience into class.
It's just really fun.
And, Dalton,you probably remember
a little bit of that experienceas you have students
that are just having thiswide variety of leadership
roles on campus.
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Some come into classand they haven't really had that
organizational experience yet,or they maybe haven't had a job
or a team experience,where they've really gotten
to think aboutwhat kind of leader
they want to be,and they get met class
and they get to hearfrom each other
and, and learn allthese new things.
And that's probably my favoritepart of it is just,
the different studentsthat I get to work
with every semester.
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Yeah. That's incredible.
So in thinking of leadershipminor, here's
the first thing I think of.
Right.
Or the first like questionI really am curious about
leadership is very subjective.
Yes.
College classes, very objective.
How on earth do you teacha subjective concept
in an objective way?
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You try to blend the two.
Okay.
One of the things I approachboth of my classes with.
So I teach an intro courseand then I teach
a capstone course,the intro course.
Our students,who typically have not had
other leadership classeswithin the minor yet or students
that are taking itjust as a free elective.
And so those studentsare all coming in
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with this perspectivefrom their major,
from their previousexperiences, from,
you know, thingsthat they did in high school.
And so what I try to dois present the information
in a way that I hopethey're filtering it
through those experiencesand saying, okay,
she talked about like right nowin my intro course,
we're talking about,group dynamics.
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We're talking aboutstages of development.
And what I hope they're doingis taking that
information and saying,what does that look like for me?
What does that look likein my organization or at my job
or in my athletic team,or even in my future job
that I might have?
Yeah, that makes it.
I mean, it's it's so incredible.
It's like because it isthere's nobody that can't
you can benefit from.
Absolutely.
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And I can only imaginehow fun it is
to be in this class,because there's
so much conversationand there's so much
like group work and group think.
And it's just, it'sit sounds so much
I hate that I didn't take it.
I'm so jealous of Dalton.
Come back in on it.
And now I really should,I need it I am a I have people
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I have works for meand I'm like,
I should probably takeyou should. It's great.
Yeah, yeah, I'll take it.
So fun fact for me,when I took her class,
it was the semesterthat Covid broke out.
And so I got to see her being ashe was already a leader.
Obviously, she was leadingher classroom,
but even more firsthand,you were navigating
so many different things.
I mean, we all were. Yeah.
(05:17):
But get to use some of your.
Yeah, I really did.
And I've stillcontinued to use it.
You know, we're gettingto a point where students,
you know, kind of like yourselfthat were here during Covid,
have graduated and are in theirprofessional roles.
Most of the studentsthat we have
now were still in juniorhigh and high school,
but we still talk about ita fair amount in class.
We talk about thatvery adaptive quality
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that we all, everyone of us,whether you were a student,
whether you were a teacher,whether you were
in your professional role,you know, almost everyone,
had to adapt in some way.
And I know for me,you got to experience
I had neverrecorded a lecture before.
I had not taughta class on zoom.
I think I had only used zooma handful of times,
prior to that.
And suddenly,you know, within a few days,
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I was trying to figure outhow to pivot a class
that I had taughtfor almost a decade
into this new formatand still keep
the students engaged,and still sort of help
them stay connectedand finish out that semester.
So it was anit was very challenging.
But at the same time,the things that I learned from
that experience,I still incorporate
into the classroom.
And then some of the examplesthat I learned, you know, I'm
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still using as an examplefive years later. Yeah.
So another, fun thingthat I happen to know
about the leadership minorthat I have a bit of inside
baseball informationon, I'm sure you know
where I'm going is less.
Was it last summeryou guys get to do a study
abroad? Yes. Yes.
You were in.
How did you know that?
You told me about.
Oh, that's right, that's right.
I forgot we werewe were doing the video.
Actually, we talked about itbecause we had just met,
(06:45):
and you're like, just found outthat it was even going
to be happening.
You went to Madrid?
We did.
We spent about a monthin Madrid. How was that?
That was anincredible experience.
And to be able to teach in sucha concentrated environment,
you know, usuallywe're stretching things
out over four monthsand to teach a class
in three weeksand to have those students
for three hours every day,you know, you
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normally you teach a Monday,Wednesday, Friday
class, and after 50 minutesthey're packing up
and going to the next class.
And this was their sole focusfor that three hour
period every morning.
And the conversationsthat we got to have you,
when you've got three hours,you can really get into,
some pretty good conversation.
You can, do some activitiesthat we couldn't do
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in 50 minutesthat we were a little bit
more limited on,on, on campus courses.
It was an incredible experience.
It was also somethingI got to share with my family,
which I think has beenreally a thread
throughout my entireexperience at Auburn,
is really getting to share that,with my husband
and with my daughter.
So to get to have thembe part of
that was really specialto me. Wonderful.
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Well, that kind ofnaturally leads to
to kind of the next thing,which is my favorite question
to ask anybody ever istell me how you got to Auburn.
What's your kind ofAuburn journey,
what you got hereand how that kind
of worked out for you?
I think you and Ihave talked about this.
I'm pretty sure we have.
I'm pretty sure I have a memoryof talking to you about this,
but my Auburn story,has a couple of of twists
and turns to it.
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So I grew up.
I'm from Selma, Alabama,which is about two hours
away from Auburn, and grew up inan Auburn family.
My dad went to Auburn.
My grandparents,went to Auburn, you know,
several other extendedfamily members
and grew up reallyloving Auburn.
And then my senior yearof high school, probably the one
really rebellious thingI've ever done was I said,
I need a different experience.
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You know, I need toto get out of state
and prove that I can do this.
And I went out of statefor my undergrad
in my graduate degrees,and that was a really,
good experience toto help me sort of
build that independenceas a leader
and learn a little bitabout myself.
But ultimately, you know,there's that little
tick in the backof my mind of like, okay,
(08:49):
but maybe one dayI'll end up back at Auburn,
or maybe this will be somethingthat'll be in my path
at some point.
And I really can'ttake all the credit for it.
My husband and I were livingand working in Kentucky
after we got married,and we had our first child.
We were talking aboutwhat the future might look like.
And he happenedto attend a conference
(09:10):
where there was somebodyfrom Auburn there.
They started chatting.
He said, you know, mywife's from the area.
She's, you know, from thisthis big Auburn family.
We'd loveto get back to that area
at some point.
So Nick gets all of the creditfor getting us here.
And then about a year later,I can remember
we had had our second childat that point,
and I'm kind of just enjoyingspending time with them.
(09:31):
And famous last wordsI said, you know,
I think I'm kind of enjoyingbeing home for a little bit.
And my husbandtexted me one day.
He said, hey, listen,the job that you were doing
at our previous institution isopen at Auburn, and if you don't
apply for this now,it may not come around again.
That's real.
I mean, really and truly thisI don't know,
(09:51):
but this was a great jobworking in leadership
development.
And and I can remember thattext of I, you know, I think
you need to go for this.
It might not come back around.
And so I was in that jobfor seven years.
I was really fortunateto get it.
And I think our paths crossed,when I was working
in student affairs,while I was in student
affairs, though,I had the opportunity
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to start teaching just one classin the leadership,
and then one classturned into two classes.
And then eventuallyit turned in the opportune
into the opportunityto direct the minor and teach
both the introand the capstone courses.
That's incredible.
It's funny because thatthat journey is very similar
to mine is is I grew up on fan.
I did go to Auburn. Yeah.
But then I left because, like,I want to live out on my own.
(10:35):
And then I got a phonecall from a friend.
I was kind ofin the process of like,
looking for a new jobas looking for a change.
I got a phone callfrom a friend, said,
do you know anybodywho would be good
for this job or a job?
Opening in Auburn was like,I might know somebody.
I kind of want to go back.
But the other thing thatI think is really cool,
I'm getting experienceit now, just barely.
My daughter is two years old.
But growing up an olderfan, like, I mean,
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there's pictures of meat six years, five years old,
football games, rolling Toomer’sis like coming to campus.
This place is like,I know this place
like the back of my hand.
And then getting toraise my daughter here
and have a family here and getand take them to do Auburn
like I remember I did.
This was the kid.
The yearafter we moved to Auburn's,
we moved to Auburn in 2009,and our youngest daughter,
Avery, was born that fall.
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And the next yearwas the year that we won
the national championship.
And so I have pictures ofat the time,
I think my three year old, thatwhich would be my oldest,
who is about to be a seniorin high school now. Oh boy.
You know, under all of the treesand you can see the toilet paper
kind of cascading over her head.
And it's just some ofmy favorite memories
of things like that.
And they really havethey've grown up,
(11:38):
they've grown up going to Greek,saying they've grown up
going to campus games.
When they were little,if we went to something
they thought I'll bewas there to see them.
And that has just been reallyone of the best
things is to be ableto include them
in that experience.
Yeah. That's wonderful.
Well, do you have anyI mean, does anything
put you on the spothere a little bit?
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And Dalton, I'llask you the same question.
Put you both on the spot here.
Favorite.
Any favorite memoriesyou can think of?
It can be leadershipminor related.
Oh, wow.
Life at Auburn.
I knowyou've had a couple positions
and kind of transition here.
Anything come to mind?
And maybe I'll make Daltongo first?
Yeah, could be anything.
Should I go first?
It makes sense.
I want to ask it.
Sure.
It's just to kind ofgive you a second
to think about it.
Yeah,I know what mine is for sure,
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because I used towork in athletics. Right.
So I used to work for football.
And when I knew I was leaving,I had already accepted
the position I was leaving.
It was mid football season.
I was working for footballand I was like,
this is a dream, right?
I was working my last home game.
The team had just goneinto the locker room
and I was like,I'm going to take a moment
for myself.
And I went and stoodon the 50 yard line, midfield,
90,000 people.
And I was like, I'm never gonnado this again.
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I was like, crying, like,what's like glasses up?
Like, nobody look at me.
I'm like, okay.
But it was it's definitelylike it's really cool moment.
But I think it's so interestingfor people that grew up as fans,
grew up coming to campusand have come back
professionally worked here.
You have such a life,you can't not think about it.
I've described itas like grandmothers cooking.
It's like, man, you know, man,do I miss my grandmothers,
(13:02):
you know, scalloped potatoes.
It just makes you feelall warm and fuzzy inside.
I feel about Auburnthe same way.
Yeah.
I mean, becoming the MC man wasobviously that's a good one.
The it's been my dreamsince I was 13
and I didn't thinkit was going to happen.
And so fun fact for everybody,I didn't become the nightmare
until my fifth year of college.
I went to school, I went toI went to Southern Union first,
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and I transferred inand not all of my credits
transferred.
So I had to do a fifth year.
So it really worked out.
And then I applied to gradschool, did a two year program.
So I got to do it for three,which was great, but
my last Iron Bowl at home.
So the Mic Manalways wears earplugs
so he can kind of stillhear himself
as is calling cheersfrom midfield.
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And right before I startto do the last year,
which is always great to be,I took one out just so I could
hear how loud it was downthere, and I
started kind of gettingchoked up.
I was like, I did this.
So I was like, it's not me.
We're all cheering for Auburn.
But but me being like,just midfield, taking one out,
you know, I kind of got offbeat a little bit,
(14:05):
but I was like, I had to.
Me and Dalton also famouslyvery emotional people.
We've cried on this podcast.
How many,just one, the very first one.
Yeah.
We both were likesitting in the seats,
like single tearsrolling down. Oh my.
Oh my gosh.
So we're not afraid to.
That's fine. That's fine.
Anyway. Next I'll say this.
This is not myfavorite moment Dalton.
(14:26):
But I do rememberwhen you were named Mike
man the first yearbecause, I mean, you had these
students in class,and sometimes you're
lucky enoughthat you get to see them
move into thoseleadership roles.
And I rememberyou being named at call outs
that year and going,that's one of my students.
Even though I hadbeen several semesters
since you had been in my class.
But I really rememberthe year you were named.
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It's not necessarily my favoriteAuburn moment, but.
But I do love those big momentswhen a student
runs for something or they applyfor something you know
are they email meto let me know that
I got that job?
It's cool to get to be partof that experience. Oh, yeah.
So you talked about cryingat Auburn big Auburn moment.
So I do that.
My childrengive me a really hard time.
(15:08):
Even there was thethe hype video
for the basketball gamethat came out the other day
that had Bryce Brownnarrating, and I'm showing it
to every member of my family.
And you can see the tearswelling up in my eyes,
and my children are just going,it's my favorite moment.
And I don't knowif you'll remember this one.
But we're big gymnastics fans.
We think of gymnastics meetssince our girls were babies,
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because when they're little,it's contained, it's inside.
They're not goingto get too hot,
and there's alwayssomething going on.
And if you remember,you know, years ago,
I mean, I have a 17 yearold and a 15 year old.
You used to be able to,if you're shorter than Jeff
Graba you could get in for free.
And then eventually we startedgetting season tickets
because we really likedthe idea of,
you know, having thesededicated seats and,
you know, knowingthat we could go
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to every single meet.
I was so thankful that we did.
But I thinkand I looked it up recently,
I think it was 2016was the first year
that we beat Bama in gymnastics,and we were in the stands
and I had thesetwo little girls there,
and it was one of those thingswhere like when they hit
that last routineand you see the score go up
and you know that they wonand I just start falling like,
(16:14):
I don't know, a single gymnaston the team that year.
Like I have noconnection at all.
But I just start bawling and myone of my daughters
is looking at me like,what is wrong with you?
But I love thatwe get to be part
of those moments.
And I thinkyou said it really well.
I mean, it just becomespart of your history.
And we still talk about things.
(16:35):
You know, I'll text my husbandsome days and say,
did you know it's been six yearssince this happened or ten years
since this moment?
And it really is forever.
And we'll do that to you.
And and you'll appreciate thisas your daughter gets older.
Is it mile markstheir life, too, as you'll say.
I can't believethat's been ten years.
They were so littlewhen that happened.
And now they're driving carsand thinking about going
(16:57):
to college themselves.
And do you rememberhow little they were
when we went to that?
Or we got to experience that?
So it really marksyour family's experience too.
Yeah, I'mhaving a crazy like, just
I don't want to say dejavu moment in my head,
but like just a memorythat's popped up.
So the semesterthat I took your class,
there was another chair.
This was beforeI was a cheerleader.
There was a tutorand the cheerleader.
(17:19):
There was athere was a student in there
named Charlotte Daytonwho cheered here.
And I rememberwalking in the class
that first day and being like,oh my gosh, I'm so nervous
because we sat like a few desksaway from one another.
But yeah,and the night court happened
and I heard my name.
She came up to me,also crying, hugged me.
I was like, like,I'm so proud of you.
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Like, we've.
Because I had beenwe were like, one semester.
Apart from that class.
Anyway, just reminded me of.
Yeah, because it was agood, dear class.
And anyway, Hank Auburndo want to bring it
back to leadership,if you will. Yeah.
What does kind of the futureof the leadership
minor look like?
If you get tostudy abroad again,
what's it look likeif I'm a prospectus student
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wanting to get in leadershipminor, a lot of things
have that opportunityto go abroad again.
I think one exciting thingis just seeing
the growth of the minorright now.
So we're actuallyexpanding the courses next year,
to offer more sectionsof the intro course,
which will allow more studentsto get into that minor.
It's still a great electiveto, for students
who don't have that capacityto add a full minor
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to their curriculum,but just want,
a really good class to help.
Either supplement it,something that they're maybe
not getting, you know,in their own curriculum
or somethingthat they're doing on campus.
I think that's the great thingabout those classes
is it's somethingthat you get to use instantly.
You know, you get to use itin your student organization.
You get to use it in your jobor your internship.
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You get to use itin your athletic team.
And I lovewhen students come back
and make those connectionsin class.
I think that's somethingI'm really excited about
is just to see the growthof the minor.
It started as one student.
There was one studentwhen I started
teaching in that minor,and now we have,
well over 100 students at anygiven time that are declared
in the minor and then many morethat are just
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taking the courses, as well.
So that's somethingI'm really excited about.
Every semesterhas been a little different.
And other opportunitiesto either collaborate
with other programs,to help facilitate workshops.
You know, I've,I've done work with,
Greek Life for several years.
So we do a big leadershiptraining
(19:25):
with their recruitment staff,once a year
that I think we're going onabout ten years.
That's incredible of doing thatwhere I go
into leadership trainingwith all 150
of their recruitment staff,it is one of the
highlights of my year.
I look forward to itevery single time.
But doing more thingslike that, it's
so fun to predictand then whatever
I think is going to happen,you know,
(19:45):
it just goes in the completeopposite direction
of what we end up getting to dowithin that minor
every semester.
Well that's incredible.
I think we'reclosing in on time.
But I had one storyI wanted to tell, about.
It's a good story to make sureI wouldn't tell a bad story.
So funny thinghappens around the office,
and I'm sureyou've experienced this.
It's like, hey,you guys having the podcast
next is a questionI get asked often.
(20:06):
It was,oh, we're having Julia Waird
leadership minor.
And I was like,oh, she's the best.
Oh, she's great.
And it's like,oh, I haven't met her,
but I've heard, I've heardshe's incredible, right?
And whenever I hear that,I always tell the same story
and it's, yeah, this is sucha great opportunity
that I get to tell it to you,which is we met,
about a year ago for a video.
You guys were shifting wherewhere the leadership
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minor was replacing.
What can I do a video promotepromoting it.
And we had, like,a 30 minute meeting.
Nothing crazy.
Whatever that videoget delegated.
I didn't produce that video,so we didn't really interact
that much.
Six months later,we're at an event.
I think it was the holiday treelighting ceremony
at Stanford Lawnand about six months later
ran into you in linewaiting for hot chocolate.
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Hello? Hey, Carter.
How's it going?
And it was such an impactfulmoment for me.
It was so coolbecause you had no business
knowing me.
We'd met six months later.
Yes, six months later.
And the fact that, like,you remembered my name,
you wanted to talk to me.
And it was such areally cool thing.
And it's this.
I tell it to everybody now,whenever it's
such an incredible moment,it's such a cool thing.
And it really,it made me feel special.
(21:10):
And it's not somethingthat happens
if someone is horriblewith names.
Are you about to cry?
I can, you're looking atI'm not about to cry.
You're looking at melike you're going to.
But it is.
And it was really incredible.
And I loveI, I've told that story
about 15 timesin the last week or two.
Thank you.
Thinking about likewe're going to have Julia
on its going to be great.
So I've told that toso many people.
And I thought it was really coolthat I would get a chance
(21:31):
to tell you.
That was really thanks so much.
To me, it's the best thingabout working at Auburn
now is the relationships.
I mean, I reallyI think if I would tell anyone
with the best thing, because we,you have friends
that that don't workfor the university
or don't live in Auburn.
And they say, what is it like?
What is it like?
And it just is so much funto build those relationships
and to run into people at lunchand to run into people
(21:53):
at the holiday lighting and tokeep up with what
their kids are doing.
And to me,that is just my reason
for coming to work every day isis to get to build
those relationships,whether it's with my students
or with other peopleat the university.
Well, it was it was really cool.
It stuck out to me.
It was really that wasthat was really appreciate
a long time ago.
And I still think it feels likeit was yesterday.
It was reallyit was a really incredible well,
(22:14):
to close out here,I wonder if there's someone
that's a little bitmore information
here, a little bit more about,interest in leadership minor.
What's kind of the routeyou want to take should take
to hear more about,this whole point of contact.
You can just show me.
I'm so easy to find.
It's Julia@auburn.eduSomehow lucked into
that email addressabout 13 years ago.
(22:35):
And so it is just it's joyat Auburn.
Or they can go to our website,which is just the all be link
slash lead.
So lead,are just Google leadership
minor.
And I you know, I love toI love to talk to parents.
I love to talk to students.
You know anyone that wantsmore information about it?
I'm always happy to sharesome of the good things,
that people are doingwithin the minor.
(22:55):
Well, wonderful.
Well, thank you for doingsome incredible work
and teaching the future.
Thank you.
And kind ofhelping the student body
grow and be better leaders.
That'sthat's an incredible work.
Well,I think that's just about it,
for us.
Thank you to Julia againfor joining us
and spending time with us.
If you've enjoyed this,like hearing the sultry
sound of our voices here,you can listen to more
(23:17):
wherever you'relistening to us now,
there are more.
We spoken to Miss America.
We've spoken to the strengthcoach of Auburns Mens
basketball team.
We've spoken to researchers.
We spoke to so many people,and there'll be more next month.
So we're excited for that.
Visitour podcast hub to see more.
And excited for next time.
But for Dalton and Juliaand our producer
over there, off camera, Kim,I'm Carter, thank you so much.
And War Eagle.
(23:38):
War Eagle. War Eagle.
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