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What if the dark heart of Hollywood holds more secrets than we could ever imagine? Our exploration into the notorious Black Dahlia murder takes a chilling journey through 1940s Los Angeles, a city of dreams and despair. With our expert guest, we unravel the mystery surrounding Elizabeth Short, a young woman with aspirations of stardom whose life was tragically cut short. We delve into her connections with key Hollywood figures such as nightclub owner Mark Hansen, who found himself at the center of suspicion. The haunting crime scene details suggest a killer with surgical precision, and the cryptic letters sent by the murderer continue to confound investigators and fuel speculation.
In this episode, we confront the lingering enigma of the Black Dahlia case and its indelible mark on Los Angeles' persona. This tale of glamour and darkness raises more questions than answers, as we ponder whether the truth lies buried in familial revelations or faded into Hollywood's shadows. The case has become more than a mystery; it's a symbol of the city's hidden darkness and an enduring puzzle that captivates the public imagination. As we navigate this grim chapter of history, we're reminded that some stories remain powerfully unresolved, compelling us to question the very nature of truth and secrecy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
We're diving into the darkheart of Hollywood today, 1940s
LA, with a case that'spractically a noir film itself
the Black Dahlia.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's one of those stories that captures the
imagination, even decades later.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've got police reports, books, articles, you
name it, and luckily expertspeaker is here to help us break
it all down.
They know LA history and thesekinds of mysteries like the back
of their hand.
So before we get to the murderitself, can you set the scene
for us?
Who was Elizabeth Short?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right.
So picture this.
It's post-World War II.
Everyone's chasing theHollywood dream and Elizabeth
Short, she's one of them.
Aspiring actress, arrived in LAin 46.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Full of those big dreams, huh.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Absolutely, but the city could be tough, especially
for a young woman on her own.
She lived a pretty transientlife, relying on friends,
acquaintances for places to stay.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Which is how she ends up entangled in this whole
thing, right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Exactly.
But you have to remember shewas more than just a victim.
She represents that post-warhopefulness, the allure of
Hollywood, which makes whathappened to her all the more
unsettling.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's that classic contrast, isn't it?
Bright lights, dark secrets.
And the way her murder playedout, it was like something
ripped from a screenplay butreal life.
That discovery in the vacantlot Her body posed drained of
blood it's horrific.
What was the killer trying todo there?
Send a message.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's where it gets really interesting,
psychologically speaking.
This wasn't just about murder.
It was about control Turning ahorrific act into a spectacle,
the meticulous bisection, theposing, chilling level of
premeditation.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Almost like a and I hesitate to say it a gruesome
art piece put on display.
Our sources say the killerprobably had some medical
knowledge, right?
Oh, To pull something like thatoff.
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
A doctor, that's one of the biggest questions that
haunted investigators even backthen the autopsy report.
It noted the precision, thecomplete draining of blood, not
amateur work at all, Suggestssomeone with anatomical
knowledge, surgical skill even.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So I think doctors, surgeons, maybe even.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Butchers yeah, it narrowed down the suspect pool
but also made it terrifying.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Because it meant whoever did this, they knew what
they were doing.
It wasn't just some random actof violence.
Okay, so we've got a youngwoman full of dreams navigating
this underbelly of Hollywoodtrying to make it as an actress,
and her path crosses withsomeone harboring a dark secret
and possessing the skills tocarry out this horrific act.
You mentioned that Elizabethwas trying to make it as an
(02:26):
actress, right?
What can you tell us about herlife in those months leading up
to January 1947?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, as I mentioned, she lived a transient life,
relying on friends andacquaintances for lodging.
One of those acquaintances wasMark Hansen, owner of the
Florentine Gardens nightclub,big name on the Sunset Strip
back then.
Ah, the Florentine.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Gardens nightclub, big name on the Sunset Strip
back then.
Ah, the Florentine Gardens.
For our listeners who might notbe familiar with 1940s LA,
imagine a swanky club full ofcelebrities, starlets, deals
being made in dark corners.
It was the place to be seen.
How did Elizabeth Short end upcrossing paths with a man like
Mark Hansen?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She briefly lived at a house on Carlos Avenue that
Hansen owned.
It was a sort of boarding housesituation, though it's pretty
clear that Hansen she brieflylived at a house on Carlos
Avenue that Hansen owned.
It was a sort of boarding housesituation, though it's pretty
clear that Hansen he had a type,someone he favored.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And Elizabeth.
With her striking looks andHollywood aspirations, she fit
the bill.
What can you tell us abouttheir relationship?
Was it purely platonic or wasthere something more there?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was complicated.
I mean, you've got Hansen, thispowerful guy used to getting
his way and he's clearly smittenwith Elizabeth, but she kept
him guessing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Playing it smart maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Could be.
Some sources say she even madeup stories about herself, maybe
to protect her reputation orjust to keep Hansen at arm's
length.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Classic noir right, the dangerous liaisons, those
hidden motives.
So what happened?
Did things go south betweenthem?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They did.
It's unclear if they had afalling out or if Elizabeth just
wanted a change, but she movedout of Hansen's place on Carlos
Avenue and, from what we know,he wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
A man scorned, especially in a town like that.
No wonder he became a suspect.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Exactly the police.
They looked into him hard.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean he had a clear interest in Elizabeth, a
reputation for being wellforceful, but didn't something
come up during the investigation, something that gave him an out
.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He had an alibi for the night of the murder, claimed
.
He was miles away at a moviepremiere with a business
associate and this associatethey backed him up.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Ah, the old alibi.
It's like clockwork in thesecases.
Did the investigators buy itthough?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Publicly, yeah, they had to acknowledge it.
But privately, there werewhispers, doubts.
This was 1940s.
La Money and power had a way ofmaking things disappear.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So some people thought he could have just made
it all happen.
The alibi, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Exactly, and the truth we may never know.
But that's not all.
This case had another layer,something that really sent
chills down people's spines,those letters.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Oh yeah, the killer's calling cards.
What was the deal with those?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It was like something out of a pulp novel sent to the
police, to newspapers, wordscut from other publications,
taunting them, offering crypticclues.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's almost like whoever did this, they wanted
the attention.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh, absolutely, it was a game to them.
And it got even creepier.
Some of the letters containedElizabeth's belongings, an
address book, pieces of herbirth certificate.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's cold.
So were these letters evertraced back to anyone?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Handwriting analysis links some to the case, but the
sender's identity still amystery.
Some experts thought they werelegit from the killer, while
others said no, it's copycatstrying to grab a piece of the
spotlight.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So even the letters which seemed like they might be
the key, another dead end.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Pretty much it's like every time you think you're
getting close.
In this case, another twistpops up.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But there's one source we have, Black Dolly
Avenger, that claims the answerwas right under everyone's noses
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And this is where it gets really wild.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, our listeners love a good twist.
Lay it on us.
What's the theory?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So this book?
It was written by Steve Hodeland he believes the killer was
his own father, Whoa hold on Hisfather.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Are we talking like a family secret kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Even bigger than that .
Steve claimed his father, aprominent physician named Dr
George Hodel, was the BlackDahlia's killer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
A respected doctor leading a double life.
Okay, now that's a plot twist.
What evidence did he have toback that up?
What made him suspect his ownflesh and blood?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It started with an old photo album he found among
his father's belongings.
Inside, tucked away amongstpictures of parties and such,
was a photo of a woman wholooked a lot like Elizabeth
Short.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, I'll admit that's a bit of a bombshell A
photo of a possible victimtucked away in the suspect's
things.
You can't make that stuff up,but could they actually prove it
was Elizabeth Short?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's the catch.
Experts couldn't agree onwhether the woman in the photo
was actually her or just someonewho looks similar.
This was way before facialrecognition and all that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So a dead end, or at least not conclusive.
But you're right.
Family secrets, especially oneslike this, there's usually more
to the story.
What else did Steve Hodel findthat pointed to his father?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, as he dug deeper into his father's past,
more and more unsettling detailscame to light.
For one remember how we talkedabout the killer needing
specific surgical knowledge.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Right the precision of the cuts.
The whole thing, exactly Rightthe precision of the cuts the
whole thing Exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, dr Hodel, he had advanced surgical skills.
Steve argued that his father'sexpertise specifically in a
procedure called ahemicorporectomy was a match.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Hemi-what?
Now?
That's a mouthful For those ofus who don't spend our days in
an operating room.
Break that down for us.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Basically, it's a surgical procedure, incredibly
rare that involves amputatingthe body below the waist
gruesome stuff and it requiresspecialized knowledge that very
few people would have possessedeven back then and you're saying
dr hodl, he knew how to do thisaccording to steve, yeah, he
(07:52):
even claimed his father hadbragged about his surgical
skills to colleagues.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, now that is chilling.
So we've got a potential visuallink highly specialized medical
knowledge.
It's adding up, but there's gotto be more right to convince
someone.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He claimed his father was tight with some corrupt
cops people who could makeevidence vanish.
Steve even believed his fathermight have gotten special
treatment during the initialinvestigation because of those
connections.
That's unsettling.
The idea could make evidencevanish.
Steve even believed his fathermight have gotten special
treatment during the initialinvestigation because of those
connections.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's unsettling, the idea that someone could just
escape justice like thatbecause of who they knew.
It's like something out of amovie.
It really makes you think aboutthe dark side of Hollywood,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, what do?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
you make of all this expert speaker.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's fascinating, isn't it?
You've got Steve Hodel'sinvestigation, which is
compelling, but it alsohighlights how tough these old
cases can be, especially onestied up in Hollywood lore.
Time passes, memories fade,people's biases come into play.
It creates a fog that can bealmost impossible to see through
.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So we're left with these pieces of the puzzle, but
no way to know for sure how theyfit together.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Exactly.
We can look at the evidence,try to make sense of it, but
ultimately there's no definitiveanswer and in a way, that's
what keeps people coming back tothe Black Dahlia even after all
.
This time it's a story thatfeels unfinished.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
A Hollywood mystery without an ending Before we let
our listeners go.
What's one thing about thiswhole case that you find
yourself coming back to?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know, for me it's how the Black Dahlia case has
become a part of LA itself.
It's this tragic story, sure,but it's also a cautionary tale,
like a reminder that behind theglitz and glamour there's a
dark side, and sometimes themost captivating stories are the
ones we can never fully solve.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well said, and on that note we'll leave our
listeners to ponder the enigmaof the Black Dahlia.
Was it a son who finallybrought his father's crimes to
light, or did the secrets ofHollywood die with those
involved?
We may never know for sure.
But that's the thing about agood mystery it keeps you
guessing Until next time.
Keep exploring and remember.
Sometimes the most intriguingstories are the ones that remain
(09:53):
unsolved.
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
We're diving into the darkheart of Hollywood today, 1940s
LA, with a case that'spractically a noir film itself
the Black Dahlia.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's one of those stories that captures the
imagination, even decades later.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've got police reports, books, articles, you
name it, and luckily expertspeaker is here to help us break
it all down.
They know LA history and thesekinds of mysteries like the back
of their hand.
So before we get to the murderitself, can you set the scene
for us?
Who was Elizabeth Short?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right.
So picture this.
It's post-World War II.
Everyone's chasing theHollywood dream and Elizabeth
Short, she's one of them.
Aspiring actress, arrived in LAin 46.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Full of those big dreams, huh.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Absolutely, but the city could be tough, especially
for a young woman on her own.
She lived a pretty transientlife, relying on friends,
acquaintances for places to stay.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Which is how she ends up entangled in this whole
thing, right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Exactly.
But you have to remember shewas more than just a victim.
She represents that post-warhopefulness, the allure of
Hollywood, which makes whathappened to her all the more
unsettling.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's that classic contrast, isn't it?
Bright lights, dark secrets.
And the way her murder playedout, it was like something
ripped from a screenplay butreal life.
That discovery in the vacantlot Her body posed drained of
blood it's horrific.
What was the killer trying todo there?
Send a message.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's where it gets really interesting,
psychologically speaking.
This wasn't just about murder.
It was about control Turning ahorrific act into a spectacle,
the meticulous bisection, theposing, chilling level of
premeditation.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Almost like a and I hesitate to say it a gruesome
art piece put on display.
Our sources say the killerprobably had some medical
knowledge, right?
Oh, To pull something like thatoff.
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
A doctor, that's one of the biggest questions that
haunted investigators even backthen the autopsy report.
It noted the precision, thecomplete draining of blood, not
amateur work at all, Suggestssomeone with anatomical
knowledge, surgical skill even.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So I think doctors, surgeons, maybe even.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Butchers yeah, it narrowed down the suspect pool
but also made it terrifying.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Because it meant whoever did this, they knew what
they were doing.
It wasn't just some random actof violence.
Okay, so we've got a youngwoman full of dreams navigating
this underbelly of Hollywoodtrying to make it as an actress,
and her path crosses withsomeone harboring a dark secret
and possessing the skills tocarry out this horrific act.
You mentioned that Elizabethwas trying to make it as an
(02:26):
actress, right?
What can you tell us about herlife in those months leading up
to January 1947?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, as I mentioned, she lived a transient life,
relying on friends andacquaintances for lodging.
One of those acquaintances wasMark Hansen, owner of the
Florentine Gardens nightclub,big name on the Sunset Strip
back then.
Ah, the Florentine.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Gardens nightclub, big name on the Sunset Strip
back then.
Ah, the Florentine Gardens.
For our listeners who might notbe familiar with 1940s LA,
imagine a swanky club full ofcelebrities, starlets, deals
being made in dark corners.
It was the place to be seen.
How did Elizabeth Short end upcrossing paths with a man like
Mark Hansen?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She briefly lived at a house on Carlos Avenue that
Hansen owned.
It was a sort of boarding housesituation, though it's pretty
clear that Hansen she brieflylived at a house on Carlos
Avenue that Hansen owned.
It was a sort of boarding housesituation, though it's pretty
clear that Hansen he had a type,someone he favored.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And Elizabeth.
With her striking looks andHollywood aspirations, she fit
the bill.
What can you tell us abouttheir relationship?
Was it purely platonic or wasthere something more there?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was complicated.
I mean, you've got Hansen, thispowerful guy used to getting
his way and he's clearly smittenwith Elizabeth, but she kept
him guessing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Playing it smart maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Could be.
Some sources say she even madeup stories about herself, maybe
to protect her reputation orjust to keep Hansen at arm's
length.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Classic noir right, the dangerous liaisons, those
hidden motives.
So what happened?
Did things go south betweenthem?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They did.
It's unclear if they had afalling out or if Elizabeth just
wanted a change, but she movedout of Hansen's place on Carlos
Avenue and, from what we know,he wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
A man scorned, especially in a town like that.
No wonder he became a suspect.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Exactly the police.
They looked into him hard.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean he had a clear interest in Elizabeth, a
reputation for being wellforceful, but didn't something
come up during the investigation, something that gave him an out
.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He had an alibi for the night of the murder, claimed
.
He was miles away at a moviepremiere with a business
associate and this associatethey backed him up.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Ah, the old alibi.
It's like clockwork in thesecases.
Did the investigators buy itthough?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Publicly, yeah, they had to acknowledge it.
But privately, there werewhispers, doubts.
This was 1940s.
La Money and power had a way ofmaking things disappear.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So some people thought he could have just made
it all happen.
The alibi, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Exactly, and the truth we may never know.
But that's not all.
This case had another layer,something that really sent
chills down people's spines,those letters.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Oh yeah, the killer's calling cards.
What was the deal with those?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It was like something out of a pulp novel sent to the
police, to newspapers, wordscut from other publications,
taunting them, offering crypticclues.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's almost like whoever did this, they wanted
the attention.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh, absolutely, it was a game to them.
And it got even creepier.
Some of the letters containedElizabeth's belongings, an
address book, pieces of herbirth certificate.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's cold.
So were these letters evertraced back to anyone?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Handwriting analysis links some to the case, but the
sender's identity still amystery.
Some experts thought they werelegit from the killer, while
others said no, it's copycatstrying to grab a piece of the
spotlight.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So even the letters which seemed like they might be
the key, another dead end.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Pretty much it's like every time you think you're
getting close.
In this case, another twistpops up.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But there's one source we have, Black Dolly
Avenger, that claims the answerwas right under everyone's noses
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And this is where it gets really wild.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, our listeners love a good twist.
Lay it on us.
What's the theory?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So this book?
It was written by Steve Hodeland he believes the killer was
his own father, Whoa hold on Hisfather.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Are we talking like a family secret kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Even bigger than that .
Steve claimed his father, aprominent physician named Dr
George Hodel, was the BlackDahlia's killer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
A respected doctor leading a double life.
Okay, now that's a plot twist.
What evidence did he have toback that up?
What made him suspect his ownflesh and blood?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It started with an old photo album he found among
his father's belongings.
Inside, tucked away amongstpictures of parties and such,
was a photo of a woman wholooked a lot like Elizabeth
Short.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, I'll admit that's a bit of a bombshell A
photo of a possible victimtucked away in the suspect's
things.
You can't make that stuff up,but could they actually prove it
was Elizabeth Short?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's the catch.
Experts couldn't agree onwhether the woman in the photo
was actually her or just someonewho looks similar.
This was way before facialrecognition and all that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So a dead end, or at least not conclusive.
But you're right.
Family secrets, especially oneslike this, there's usually more
to the story.
What else did Steve Hodel findthat pointed to his father?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, as he dug deeper into his father's past,
more and more unsettling detailscame to light.
For one remember how we talkedabout the killer needing
specific surgical knowledge.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Right the precision of the cuts.
The whole thing, exactly Rightthe precision of the cuts the
whole thing Exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, dr Hodel, he had advanced surgical skills.
Steve argued that his father'sexpertise specifically in a
procedure called ahemicorporectomy was a match.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Hemi-what?
Now?
That's a mouthful For those ofus who don't spend our days in
an operating room.
Break that down for us.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Basically, it's a surgical procedure, incredibly
rare that involves amputatingthe body below the waist
gruesome stuff and it requiresspecialized knowledge that very
few people would have possessedeven back then and you're saying
dr hodl, he knew how to do thisaccording to steve, yeah, he
(07:52):
even claimed his father hadbragged about his surgical
skills to colleagues.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, now that is chilling.
So we've got a potential visuallink highly specialized medical
knowledge.
It's adding up, but there's gotto be more right to convince
someone.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He claimed his father was tight with some corrupt
cops people who could makeevidence vanish.
Steve even believed his fathermight have gotten special
treatment during the initialinvestigation because of those
connections.
That's unsettling.
The idea could make evidencevanish.
Steve even believed his fathermight have gotten special
treatment during the initialinvestigation because of those
connections.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's unsettling, the idea that someone could just
escape justice like thatbecause of who they knew.
It's like something out of amovie.
It really makes you think aboutthe dark side of Hollywood,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, what do?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
you make of all this expert speaker.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's fascinating, isn't it?
You've got Steve Hodel'sinvestigation, which is
compelling, but it alsohighlights how tough these old
cases can be, especially onestied up in Hollywood lore.
Time passes, memories fade,people's biases come into play.
It creates a fog that can bealmost impossible to see through
.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So we're left with these pieces of the puzzle, but
no way to know for sure how theyfit together.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Exactly.
We can look at the evidence,try to make sense of it, but
ultimately there's no definitiveanswer and in a way, that's
what keeps people coming back tothe Black Dahlia even after all
.
This time it's a story thatfeels unfinished.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
A Hollywood mystery without an ending Before we let
our listeners go.
What's one thing about thiswhole case that you find
yourself coming back to?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know, for me it's how the Black Dahlia case has
become a part of LA itself.
It's this tragic story, sure,but it's also a cautionary tale,
like a reminder that behind theglitz and glamour there's a
dark side, and sometimes themost captivating stories are the
ones we can never fully solve.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well said, and on that note we'll leave our
listeners to ponder the enigmaof the Black Dahlia.
Was it a son who finallybrought his father's crimes to
light, or did the secrets ofHollywood die with those
involved?
We may never know for sure.
But that's the thing about agood mystery it keeps you
guessing Until next time.
Keep exploring and remember.
Sometimes the most intriguingstories are the ones that remain
(09:53):
unsolved.
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