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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Every week five or three, two, one we are here
starting live.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, it's just fun to say that we're not really
live.
You know it does.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It does feel alive when it does the five, four,
three, two, one.
It's a little like it does.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
If you're listening to this, you're it's, you're
listening to a recorded podcast,but for us it feels live.
So, brooke, you just went on anadventure to Drumroll.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
There's no.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Disney World.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
What's the line?
It's all football players saythey did in the nineties when
they win the Super Bowl.
What are you going to do now?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm going to rest.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm going to rest.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That is the appropriate response.
Yeah, that is what you and Iwould do.
I don't need to go to rest.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't understand how parents are able to like
take a vacation and run aftertheir children around these huge
parks and then like get home onlike a Saturday or a Sunday and
then go back to work on Monday.
Like I don't.
I feel like I need a vacationto recoup from my adventure
vacation.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Wild yeah I it's nuts what?
So I entirely agree with that.
I've been on vacation enoughtimes where if I've set up
vacation, that goes into thenext day is work it is.
It is so stressful, there's alittle bit of anxiety in there
and I need that almost if Icould have a weekend after a

(01:25):
vacation sounds.
So this is, you know, firstworld problems, but having that
vacation, just just, I'd be goodwith one day, but two days is
prime.
That's where it's.
You know, get home, laundryyour house, you know, maybe tidy
up, and you just kind of getback into the groove of your
life, and then you're like okay,I'm ready for work.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, I've, I planned accordingly for that.
But then we got home.
I'm a nut Like I just can'twhen I'm sitting at my house and
I like we got back on Thursdayevening so we did have the
weekend, and I'm still likeexhausted.
Well, because we got home andlike the first day home was like
rest day, which was good, butI'm still.

(02:06):
I'm so antsy that I ended upjust cleaning the house Like I
don't, nothing was messy, it wasfine.
My mom stayed here while wewere gone and she didn't like
create a mess, but I just I wasjust like that need.
I'm like okay towels, sheets got, you know like yeah.
And then the following day, weactually just decided that we
well, we didn't just decide,we've had this plan for a while,

(02:28):
but we like fully committed tothrowing a Halloween party this
year.
And yes, and so we were likeokay, like what do we need to
get done in order for that tohappen?
And we've been talking aboutredoing the basement for a
really long time, but it's sucha daunting task to like think
about starting and like puttingup the walls and doing all the

(02:49):
things, especially because, likewe hadn't cleared out the
basement yet.
So then on Saturday and Sundayit was basically like okay, like
planning mode, let's clean outthe basement so that when we're
ready to actually throw up thewalls, we can just do that.
And it's not, like you know,there's like steps to get to the
project.
So what should have been and Iplanned accordingly for a full

(03:11):
weekend home to like relax,because I knew we were going to
go to Disney and like run aroundand all the what I planned
didn't happen, and I'm just anut.
So I ended up cleaning and wecleaned the garage and we like
cleaned out the basement, and soit's all ready for us to start
when we're ready to start.
But now, like today, I have allthe things to do and I'm just

(03:32):
like I'm dragon, I'm like so bad.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
So what is the?
What is the lesson learned here?
So you mentally went into thiswith I'm going to set aside all
this time and it's going to begreat when I get back from
Disney World after beingexhausted, being in the heat in
July.
Oh my God, it was so hot, sohot, I'm sure it was.
So I mean it was disgusting heretoo, I mean I was melting I
mean July, the I'm sure you weremelting, I'm sure it gets the

(03:58):
only difference between here andthere at for this specific
weather week, or whether month Ishould say the whole month of
July here has been just humidevery single day was that the
sun is even higher in the skywhere you are, so it's even
hotter during midday.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So it was literally nuts.
And so like, okay, like I hadsuch a good time at Disney
because my little brother wasthere and he was showing us
around and if for anybody whodoesn't know, my little brother
is a Disney intern I think wetalked about that on the last
podcast so he really did havelike a really he had a good
insight to like where everythingwas, how everything was going

(04:35):
to go and all of that.
I think I'm an idiot becausewell, first of all, we planned
this trip in July, not becausewe wanted to go in the dead heat
of the summer, but we plannedit because your internship, you
can either re-up and stay forlonger, but he hadn't gotten
that opportunity yet.
So we didn't know if he wascoming home in August when his
internship actually ended, or ifhe was going to be able to

(04:57):
extend.
So I figured like, okay, well,I want to go before.
I, you know, before he doesn'thave the opportunity to help us
out with the tickets and allthat.
So we planned it for July andthen, a week after we booked our
tickets, he was offered theextension into next April.
So we could have gone thiswinter.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
but you didn't know, you didn't know, but that's
still frustrating slightly.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was like, okay, I guess we'll just melt in the
heat.
So yeah, we were walking aroundbut I feel really dumb because
I didn't.
I thought like okay, the deadof the summer it's going to be,
it's going to be dead, Like theparks, like who would willingly
do that?
Apparently, a lot of peoplewillingly go in July, like so

(05:40):
much so, where we had to waitthree hours for the Tower of
Terror.
Three hours Three hours.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh, and you couldn't?
I'm assuming you couldn't dothe.
I don't even know what theirspecial past is called anymore
Lightning Lane.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
So Lightning Lane you okay.
So I was really confused,because when we used to go we
used to get fast passes.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's the story I hear over and over, and people
are confused, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, it sucked because, like I was thinking
like, okay, tyler got us intothe parks for free with his you
know, the water, the water themicrophone is like.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I tried, I did not push back away.
I have to remember, like, like,really.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So we figured, like he's getting us into the parks
for free, we could totallysplurge on the Lightning passes,
fast passes, whatever they'recalled.
The genie, whatever the thingis, is like the Lightning passes
you can only use for one rideper day and they're $15 for the
ride.
So to go on Guardians of theGalaxy, we had to pay $45 for us

(06:37):
to get in line and like avirtual queue.
It was really strange.
We kind of like we felt sostupid because we got to the
park and we didn't know thatthat was like the thing.
So we ran right towardsGuardian of the Galaxy but they
already had an instant queue setup.
So there is no way to actuallyjust get in line like you used
to be able to with likeamusement parks and stuff.

(06:58):
You literally have to have theapp login, do the queue and then
you're like virtually waitingin line for a certain time.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
They don't have a regular line for it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
No, no, because it's new and because everybody wants
to get on it you either have topay for the Lightning passes or
you have to be set up in thatvirtual queue from like the
night before.
So we were there at rope dropthinking like, okay, we'll get
in, we'll run right to Guardiansof the Galaxy, We'll be like
one of the first in line.
So we were one of the firstones to actually reach the ride.
But we literally physicallycould not get in line.

(07:28):
They wouldn't let us.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's so frustrating , oh my God.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
We were pissed and we didn't know how to use the apps
, because Tyler he works thereand like he doesn't really have
to do that stuff.
But we do as the like, theregular guests.
So we were so mad.
We're like, okay, well, we justgot here for early entry to get
into the line and then it'sliterally not even something
that you can do.
So we paid $45 to get into theLightning lane and then you,

(07:56):
it's not even like a lightninglane.
You have to wait for like a onePM time where your lightning
time is at one PM.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
So it's like so when you, when you actually went
though at one PM, how long didyou have to wait?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Like 30 minutes, but it was I mean Still 30 minutes.
I'm telling you, the parks werelike literally insane Like.
I had no idea.
Me and Chad, like you know, wehad a really good time because
we're like waiting in line withTyler and, like you know it's
it's fine, like we're having areally good time.
But we looked at each other andwe're like how do parents do
this, with like screamingchildren in the line for like

(08:31):
literally like three hours forsome of these rides?
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
So I need to know though, because I've heard
everything about that ride theGuardians of the Galaxy ride Is
it cool?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Exceeded all expectations.
It was like it was so cool.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
My brother said it was the best ride he's ever done
.
Like that's what he told me hesaid.
As far as a like it checks allthe boxes of craziness or
ridiculous unexpected.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, like it's, it's got like um shit.
I know it's got like somevirtual stuff, so like you think
you're going one way and you'reactually going the other way,
and like the cars turn and it's.
It is a very cool ride.
It was worth the $45 to get.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Damn it Damn it Brooke, it's not helping.
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, the one thing that we didn't get to do, um.
We thought that we were goingto have like a full day to be
able to go to universal Um, so Ithought that I was going to be
able to do the Velocico star andChad was supposed to redeem
himself on space mountain.
And we got to magic kingdom andthey had just closed the ride.
I don't know if somebody likethrow up or lost something, or

(09:36):
yeah, well, it was stupidbecause we did that Devastated.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That's one of my favorite rides Space we did the
park hopper passes Um.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
we wanted to go on.
What was it, Tron?
What's in that park too?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
And then also the rides too, that I it was also
closed?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Did it was closed?
It was closed.
We we parked Magic kingdom.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Get your shit together.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Magic kingdom sucked Like I'm not even going to lie
Like we loved Epcot, we lovedanimal kingdom.
Hollywood studios was so packedthat, like you, could barely
even do anything.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Like that was where we had to wait in mind for three
hours.
That Star Wars land is reallycool though, so I mean that's
good.
That's going to be a long timebefore those crowds go down,
because that is such a uniqueright?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Just all the detail and everything.
Why the story?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
about that place so do you?
Yeah, I'll make it short, butI'm going to have you continue.
I don't want to hear more aboutyour, your, your experience
here.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Um, so a few things.
That stood out was obviouslythe three hour waits, Um the
Star Wars thing.
I felt like, uh, we, we got theblue milk, which was really
good Did you did you try that?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Get that Yep.
Did you get the green one?
I, someone else that I thinkKelly's, Kelly's mom got it
maybe, or a dad and I tried itso but I definitely had the
green one.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
The green one is orange.
Yeah, the green one is orangeblossom.
I looked them up cause, like wedidn't want to waste $8 on a
blue milk, I it was like ew,yeah, it's not, it's not
appetizing, it's like the hotyeah, like hot July is like blue
milk.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I didn't even know about that Yep Well, so I wanted
to make sure it didn't have anydairy and stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So the blue one was dragon fruit and the green one
is orange blossom.
So we didn't try the green one,but we did try the blue one.
We didn't try the blue one withtie and we also did this thing
in Hollywood studio.
Well, so, first of all, theanimal kingdom was just, or no.
Animal kingdom was amazing,Magic kingdom.
We parked, hopped over thereand then, within five minutes of

(11:28):
getting off of the train thing,they closed space mountain.
And I guess when Chad was a kid, he like they were in line and
then, like he was so young thathis brother kept doing this
thing of like oh, like you know,you're not tall enough, or like
you might have a heart attack,or whatever you know, and like.
So when they got up to the line, after waiting for like an hour
and something, Chad just liketotally melt, he melted and was

(11:50):
like I can't do this, Yep.
Yeah, so he was like I want toredeem myself.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So he still hasn't done it yet.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
He still hasn't done it because when we got there,
they closed space mountain andthey closed Tron and they were
right next to each other.
So we waited in line forhaunted mansion for about an
hour and a half and then which?
There was a screaming littlegirl in the line and I totally,
totally, totally understand thatlike parents can't really do

(12:16):
anything.
But this mom specifically waslike taking her toys out of her
bag and was like I'm going tohand these out to the other kids
if you don't stop crying, whichmade her cry even harder and
the parents did not care.
It was like she's justscreaming behind us and all
three of us were like can youjust like you have to do

(12:36):
something that isn't going todrive your kid?
Absolutely insane, you knowlike.
So there was that.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
We were waiting in line to Disney.
That's the risk always is, justbecause it's, I mean, it's a
park for kids, essentially, andadults, but but magic kingdom is
geared so much more towards thekids.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So we were like, okay , we can't be here.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like literally we all were like did you do the hall
of presence?
Kelly's going to have to hearus.
No, all of presidents is inmagic kingdom and for me I
thought it was one of thecoolest rides.
It is corny as all you.
I wish I would have told youand you would have just did it.
It's like a 30 minute show.
You're going to get in becausethe lines are never that crazy

(13:18):
long.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And well, because somebody looks at the hall of
presidents is like okay, wait aminute, though wait a minute
that fear that.
So it's a nerd huge nerd.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't even care, it was incredible.
They got things in glass casesthat are from past presidents.
Before you go into the showyeah.
That I want like, like we'retalking 1800s.
They have like somebody's oh myGod, I wish I could remember who
.
I think they have Roosevelt'slike like coin bag or something
it says in the case like this isactual coin bag and it's like,

(13:50):
oh, that's kind of cool Again,nerding out here.
But then you go into thetheater and it's huge.
I mean it feels bigger than anIMAX theater, if you've ever
been there.
It is, it is massive.
And I always think to myselfwhen I went in there for the
first time, how many seats werethere and it was like there's no
way they're filling this up,this, this.
I mean there's an enormousamount of seats.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Do they?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
They didn't fill them up but it was a lot.
It was still a lot of peopleand like there's a whole like
this like 10 minute movie thatgoes through like history of all
our presidents up, but it's,it's really cool, it's really
well done.
It's not like boringdocumentary style, it's very
like you know it's animatedaction, he kind of thinks you're
in.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Maybe I'll tell Tyler to go check it out.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Tell him to check it out and the theater show is done
.
The screen lifts up and it'sanimatronic.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Every US president, all of them they all talk and
they all say something.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It was I mean all the way up through Biden Like
they've had them all.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Animatronics are usually like a little creepy,
Are they like?
Oh, they are a little bitcreepy, but you got.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Lincoln's.
You know he's, he's like thenarrator, so he like narrates
the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
It, just it just.
The spotlight moves around toeach one and it tells you some
little thing about it.
So it was done For me.
As an adult, I was, like youknow, magic Kingdom is full of.
It's a very, very kid oriented.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, it was a nice break.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was like oh yeah, that was exciting.
So and there's, it's relativelynot super kid loud screaming,
you know air conditioned theater.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Kid wants to sit there and watch the president
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
All those things you did as a kid that you hated, but
now as an adult, I'm like oh I,you know, I appreciate it Well.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
so there was one other thing that stuck out about
our trip that, like I don'tknow, I felt like kind of a dick
after, but like so we waited toget and I'm so curious to know
if you know about this, ifyou've done this.
If you, I don't know, we didn't.
So we waited to get into thislike 50 style diner and like

(15:44):
again you had to get into thevirtual queue and you had to
make your reservations, likewell in advance.
No, this one was HollywoodStudios.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Hollywood Studios.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think it was called like prime time cafe or
something, and I this is aspoiler like if you are into the
Disney magic and I guess youdon't know about this and you
want to go to prime time cafe,skip the next 30 ish seconds
because we didn't know and Iguess everybody else in the
restaurant knew.
So Tyler said that he's alwayswanted to go and eat in this
prime time cafe.

(16:12):
So we make the reservations andthe.
I don't know.
I don't know if this hadanything to do with it.
The woman at the at the, thehostess stand was like kind of
rude to Chad, but like we werelike okay, like we do keep
trying to go in a little early,you know.
So like maybe it's warranted orwhatever.
But when we got in it wasreally cool.

(16:36):
It was themed like fifties,everything.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
The.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
TVs were old.
They had, like Dick Van Dyke onthe screen, which he always
reminded me of my dad growing up, which my dad.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I saw the photo.
I saw the photo you posted on.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Instagram.
Don't they look kind of similar?
I mean, dick Van Dyke has alittle bit more of like the ball
nose on the end.
But I always felt like when Iwatched Harry Potter I was like
literally watching my dad or not.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Harry Potter, oh my God, mary Poppins I absolutely
just had a panic attack of likewhere did I miss the big guy?
Can Harry Potter?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, no, I'm just still waking up.
So we get into the diner andthey, they, they bring us over
to our seats and, like ourwaiter is like yelling at the
other people in our room, likekind of like, like he got behind
, like one of the girls and he'slike right, like in her ear was
like you know, and she's like,and then, like we sat down, he's

(17:29):
like all right, everybody sayhi to your cousins and
everybody's like hi, cousins,and we're like okay, like all
three, and we're starving, likewe I think we were to the point
where we were hangry, like itwas like okay, like we've been
in the theme park when it's hot,yes, happens pretty quick.
The way that he's yelling ateverybody, we're like, okay,

(17:49):
like what the fuck is happeninghere?
Like we didn't know, like Idon't know.
So he comes over and he slamsthe utensils on the table and
he's like here, and then he likethrows our straws at us and
he's like what do you want?
I'm looking at Chad like thisdoesn't seem like a Disney thing
, you know.

(18:09):
So then he's like you know,like what can I get you out of
dad's liquor cabinet?
You know, whatever he's like Ihave the key.
But just being very likeanimated gruff, like kind of
like I don't know, he was likemaking fun, making fun of people
, but in a lighthearted way.
And then people are looking atus and like laughing at us

(18:30):
because, like we don'tunderstand, but they very
clearly do.
Like we really like we feltlike we were like the butt of a
joke.
So so I, so I looked at themand we're all hungry and this
guy is like in Chad's ear.
Like he like came up behind himand was like like about the menu
and then, like I, looked at thewoman next to me and I was like
well, I, and I think I kind ofI definitely like ruined the

(18:55):
vibe because I looked at thewoman next to me and I was like
we had no idea that this is likewhat we were doing.
We didn't know, like we'restarting to get the idea that
like this is a themed restaurantand like he's acting and
whatever, but like when we satdown, it's like it just was very
jarring, like to feel that wayas soon as we sat down.
So I looked at her and I waslike we had no idea and then

(19:19):
they kind of they looked at uslike you guys didn't know and
you know he, it was reallyreally strange.
I think I killed the vibebecause I was just like we
didn't really sign up for this,like we had no idea that this
was like what this was and wewere really.
So he literally brought out ahat that said hangry and he put

(19:39):
it on my head and I'm like, okay, I get it.
This is like Dick's last resortkind of.
Have you ever been to thatrestaurant?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
No, I have not.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So Dick's last resort is like they make fun of you,
like the whole time they makefun of you, they put like
feeling of heard of this?
I definitely have heard of this,my sister and I went with my
parents at one point and, likeyou know, they put like on her
hat, like the titty fairy missedmy house, like it's, it's that
kind of point.
So he like did this like chef'shat.
Then he wrote on the side likeI'm hangry because, like I was

(20:06):
the one who killed the vibe andlike you know he's like there
are three rules of thisrestaurant.
Like one, no elbows on thetable.
And like my elbows were on thetable, and he looked at me and I
was like okay, like okay, likejust fucking dude, we just put
our menus.
Yeah, well, because, and likethe other thing is like, we're
not children.
You know, like it was, therewere the other tables in there

(20:27):
like they had kids.
And like he was saying like youknow, rule number three is like
you eat all of your vegetables.
Are we're going to give them toyou?
And it's like okay, dude, likewe are grown ass adults here.
Like he looked at Tyler at onepoint and was like so, are you
going to set the table or what?
And Tyler's like okay, I don'treally know how he's like, I'll
walk you through it.

(20:48):
I was like okay yeah, that'swhat.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
So Disney is full of these experiences and
experiences, but it'sunfortunate that you didn't know
we had no idea.
Yeah, I mean, that's hilarious.
It's kind of funny after thefact, but but I do feel bad that
if you're, if you're angry,you're hot and tired and you're
looking for this and you don'twant this.
Terrible, terrible.

(21:13):
I would definitely be like, ohGod, we fail, we picked the
wrong place.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And everybody else was like.
They were like, oh, this is oursecond time here this week,
like this is our favorite placeto come.
You know, they werespecifically requested this
actor to like be there.
Wow, yes, and he was.
Do he was.
He was very nice.
It just was like a lot to likewalk into and not know.
So I totally felt like, oh,like I'm the bitch that killed

(21:37):
the vibe.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know, I just was like he's like yelling at us and
I'm like you know how manytimes they probably go through
that, with people doing theexact same thing.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, he said he goes.
You're my first table in fourmonths.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
That didn't know about this, and I'm in chat and
Tyler were like what the fuck.
I don't believe him.
I don't know if maybe he's justsaying that.
I just I find it very hard tobelieve that the millions of
people that go through that parkand that restaurant that that
that happens.
Maybe we should have like readabout like the experience or
something I don't know, I justlike they've got so many changes

(22:10):
going on that, for someone whohasn't been to an amusement park
in a while which is for a lotof people, because Disney is
expensive and if you don't livein Florida, so you know it's a
trip, it's a planned thingthere's been so many changes
that there needs to be some formof a serious like I don't know,
like a welcome email, like likea you need to read this to

(22:30):
understand how this park works.
Now.
Parks, it's not, it's not andit's.
I don't remember there beinggood information the last time
we went, which was 2021.
I think we went but I don'tremember receiving anything that
was like these are the majorchanges and how you book your
ride and how you do this, thatwould be a really good thing.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So if they are, it was pretty darned seeing it.
So, yeah, no, it was.
It was pretty jarring, like itwas like like it kind of made me
upset that, like you know, yougo to an amusement park and you
expect to wait in the lines,right, like if you don't pay for
the fast passes, you expect tobe able to just jump in a line
and get in it.
I felt bad for people who, likemaybe aren't that savvy with
their phones.
Like I literally couldn'tfigure it out on my app.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I'd had to book like my lightning lane through his
and I'm like for people whodon't understand this like that
seems like such a pain in theass to like get into a virtual
queue and like know your time.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And then you still have to wait a certain market.
They have decided that it'sprobably millennials.
Now, yeah the millennialgeneration is going to be the
ones that have the kids, becausewe're all in our 30s and they
need to make it exciting and new.
And some board that does theirmarketing and everything decided

(23:47):
that this is how this is goingto go, especially with the fast
pass, and I know that was a bigrisk and investment and
apparently I know that thegeneral reviews and this is a
generalization I rememberreading this last year that
people are unhappy with thatwhole concept, but their sales
went up, so I don't know they'restill going, they're still

(24:09):
making money in the park, soit's kind of wild.
So if you hate it that much,don't go.
I guess that's that's the endstory to not support that.
But people are still going.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, no, it was, it was.
It was pretty crazy.
And then there was like sothere's like a little bit of
like that, and then I'll shut upabout this, but there's like a
little bit of that Disney magicthat I feel like you get so much
more when you have like anactual child with you, even as
an adult, like, for example, Idon't know if you saw like the
Barbie movie, did you see that?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
yet so it's funny to say that we literally saw it two
nights ago.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, you have to tell me about it, but I will.
We were getting on this ride andlike I don't know, like
whatever, we're adults, so likethe adults are going to talk to
us and whatever, but like foryou to be a cast member.
We were waiting in line for itwas Far Guardians of the Galaxy,
I think, and right before wegot on the guy no, it wasn't, it

(25:01):
was something else.
But anyway, the guy was likedid you guys see the Barbie
movie?
And I'm like no, and he waslike it sucked, I wanted to slit
my wrist after it and I'm likeyo, I'm like dude, like there
are kids in line and like whatare you, you know?
Like this is a cast member,this is a cast member.
That was like trying to help usget in line and he's talking

(25:22):
about slitting his wrist afterseeing the Barbie movie.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the
base state in characterInteresting.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, well, that's what I'm saying is like I think that
a lot of like Disney peoplewere like comfortable breaking
character around us because,like we were adults, we were
very clearly an adult group me,chad and Tyler.
So like, regardless of like usbeing adults or whatever, I just
think that maybe at a themepark, you shouldn't be talking
about how you hated the Barbiemovie so much that you're.

(25:48):
We're ready to slit your wristafter it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I just kind of looked at him.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Like first of all, you're talking to a woman.
Like you're talking to a womanlike I know what that movie was
about I didn't see it yet butlike maybe don't.
And then also like you don'tknow if other kids are like
listening, I don't know, I justfelt kind of weird.
Like it seemed like I reallywanted to go and like it sounds
so stupid, like experience themagic and whatever, but like

(26:14):
when you have so many peoplelooking at you, like yeah, just
like this group of adults thatsomeone trying to I Don't know
and be cool, break character andand be the opposite of what you
described in your story, whereyou wanted this guy to break
character because he was.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
You were not expecting it.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Oh yeah, here.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I am complaining about how this dude is talking
to us like normal people insteadof you know, and we're like we
wish that we he could just getout of his role a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
So we can enjoy our meal.
Just it's had.
Yeah, just just dial down howmuch out of your character.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but no, that's not okay to say that's not a
stranger, that's you know infront of children, like at a
party.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, it's like.
No, that's weird, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So your Star Wars thing.
And then I want to hear aboutthe Barbie movie, because I I'm
still like, like Jerry, I I'llsee it, but I don't want to pay
to go see it, cuz I don't, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Star Wars thing.
I had a Star Wars story, didn't?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
you did Shit you're like, I'll let you finish, and
then I talked for 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh, it's okay.
Star Wars story.
I'm gonna wrangle my brain.
What was it?
I Don't remember, so it's gonnait'll come back to me.
I'm Barbie, barbie.
I thought it was great, so didyou.
Did you like?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
see a lot of like the hidden messages in it that are
or did Kelly have to be like?
This is this and this is soKelly loved it.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Kelly loved that movie and I so first, like you
know, preface for my opinion.
I thought it was a great movie.
It did not tap into some ofthose emotional, nostalgic
things and themes, because Ijust didn't play with Barbies
when I was a kid.
So like do I remember that eraand generation?

(27:55):
Absolutely, that's when I was akid, going to Toys R Us and it
didn't matter.
Target Walmart you walk everyaisles and you knew the Barbie
aisle because it was all pink.
So it was, that was, but I justwent right by it.
So I, I I think they did anexcellent job with the
constantly, how do you make aBarbie movie and make it for

(28:15):
Adults, but there's gonna bekids that see it, so you can't
go too crazy, because Barbie'sstill a thing.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I thought they hit it perfect.
It was done very well.
They made it.
It's not all, it's not what youthink.
I think Kelly said it well.
She was like I think I wentinto this thinking it was all
gonna be like it has as and fun,and it actually ends up not
being that, and it was yeah whoa, so good.
Good messages in there, goodstoryline For for what you can

(28:44):
create with a movie that'stitled Barbie.
That's literally about achildren's doll.
I don't think they could havedone a better job so it was
supposed to be Amy Schumer.
Yes, I think casting.
I can't make my name MargotRobbie Margot.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Robbie is definitely the way to go.
Yeah she literally is Barbie.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
She's so beautiful she she did such a great job,
yeah, between her and RyanGosling, who also was the
perfect Ken I Bet he was I like.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I can't wait until it comes out.
I'm not gonna pay to go see itand like, but I've listened and
paying more than I have.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Go.
You should go see it rightbefore it, right before it's not
, or right before it's about tocome to video, or Okay, video
DVD, whatever DVD.
God, that's embarrassing.
Streaming, whatever you callnow, I guess you just say
streaming before it's on the appbefore yeah, before it's on the

(29:43):
apps and Go to the theater,because then, like, maybe
nobody'll be there and it's justyeah.
We picked a later showing and welooked at the amount of people
that had reserved their seatsand it was super minimal.
So, like, okay, it was kind ofnice.
We had, you know, a fairlySmall theater, but there wasn't
a lot of people in it, which wasgreat.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
So I'm seeing a lot of like the hidden things, like
I'm watching the tiktoks aboutlike the hidden things that are
on it.
Like I guess at some pointmaybe this is a spoiler, I don't
know, but at some point likeshe's talking to these girls and
they're like the mean girlsfrom high school and their names
are like Sasha, jade, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right, those are Bratz, thoseare brats.
Yeah, those are the main fourBratz dolls and like.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
So there's a lot of like hidden things.
I wouldn't have caught that,yeah, cuz they're like her
they're like her rivals.
Yeah, I remember the Bratzdolls Absolutely.
I just would have.
I loved Bratz.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I way too long too.
I played with Bratz like wellAfter I was supposed to play
with Bratz but to be fair, to befair, my parents bought like
like these little box rooms thatyou could design.
So I think that was like thestart of my like interior design
love was like designing therooms for the Bratz.
So I wasn't really like playingwith them.

(30:54):
I was more like, oh, I'm gonnaredo their room this weekend,
you know.
But I yeah I did thatembarrassingly late into my
probably teen years.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Hey, that's wild imagination, that's I mean those
, it's they what else am I gonnado?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm going to my dad's house every weekend like.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Bring the Bratz dolls .
I remember what.
I clearly remember the Bratzdolls commercials, like that was
.
I remember that being such athing.
So yeah, crazy, yeah, no, I endthe story on that.
They did an amazing job.
So okay for someone that didn'tplay with Barbies, I Was still
in that movie, pretty like I was.
I was into it so cuz I was doneso good so and maybe I'll drag

(31:35):
Chad, maybe I'll it's fun to seeit in the theater, because it's
on top of it too, because theGreat job between like the
colors, where just how oh you gointo when you're in the Barbie
world.
It's like, it's just like wowdoes look so bright, yeah, and
then, and then they go into thereal world and it's like.
This is depressing, it lookslike shit.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So I wonder if they're gonna make like a Barbie
exhibit in like New York Cityor something where you walk into
Barbie world.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'm sure the idea has been.
Yeah, no, no doubt that ideahas been tossed around, so I
would go to go to guess that Allaround worth it.
Go see that we didn't see theother one, openheimer.
I do want to see that, though,cuz I am history guy, so history
.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I loved how that, like all of the marketing,
was like barbenheimer.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, the screen is like it's now.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
The Sun is hitting it , so now it's like creating all
of these like light things.
But anyway, why don't?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
you.
Hey, this is like rave.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Why don't you kick off our topic today, while I do
this?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
so this is the time yeah, we're gonna transition
into something a little bit moredeep, revolving Our careers a
bit so, and anyone who's in theSpace of entrepreneurship
photographer.
So we're leaning into, we'releaning into marketing today,
which is always and we couldtalk about this topic and

(33:04):
probably have multiple episodeson this because this is a large
topic but we're gonna just touchthe surface today of marketing
and we're gonna talk aboutBrooke and I have both had a
business for years now.
We have new clients, we haverecurring clients, so there's
something we must be doingcorrect.
There's a lot of things I'malways doing wrong, but there

(33:25):
must be something we're doingcorrect to get this.
We're gonna talk about thattoday and maybe inspire some,
some new, some new marketingmaterial for any of the
entrepreneurs listening or or ifanybody wants to reach out and
tell us what the wave of thefuture for marketing is and how
we could do it better.

(33:46):
Always, always interested tohear.
So Kind of an easy place tostart for for the concept of
marketing.
So we've got two photographershere.
I think a good way to break thisout is there are.
It doesn't matter what businessyou're in as an entrepreneur.
In general, there are some verybasic guidelines, tactics,

(34:09):
rules for marketing, whatever itis you're selling.
And then you kind of have tonarrow it in a bit.
So there's you know, servicesand product.
So there's e-commerce andphysical storefront.
There's you can break it downinto industry.
And then you can break it downto within the industry, what is
it that you're actually selling.

(34:31):
And Once you get into thatrealm, then you can really start
diving into the meat andpotatoes of how to market.
And it's not as easy as youthink.
We'll start with just paid ads,and when I say paid ads, I'm
talking about anything let'stalk about if you want to, and

(34:52):
I've done this, so I've tried alot of different things.
I can tell you what's work,what hasn't.
And it's just my small window,because it's a huge, huge topic.
But when you start off and youwant to sell something Gut
instinct, because we're in frontof it every day and you don't
know how to go about this is I'mgoing to, let's say, put up a
webpage or a Po.

(35:14):
I'm not even say a webpage, I'mgonna say a post on social
media.
Hey, I've started this business.
Be, I'm selling product.
Whatever this product see andsee product.
See, you should come buy it,here's my offer.
And sometimes people go and say, like you know, sale now
through the next week or twoweeks, and then they just put it

(35:36):
out into the world and go okay,sales are gonna start coming in
and you hear crickets, absolutecrickets most of the time
anyway most of the time crickets.
There is so much more to this,so much more to this.
So let's, let's go into.
So I'm talking about paidmarketing.
So this is something that I'vedone a lot of.
I've done a lot ofexperimentation between Google,

(35:57):
instagram, facebook.
I've done Pinterest paid ads.
I've done haven't done Twitterpaid ads, but I don't even know
if that was a thing back a fewyears ago.
I've done, and currently thewedding wire and not I do have
kind of got those servicescurrently, wedding wire or not.
So what's fun about that?
I am, it's my contract renewedand I I wish that it didn't so,

(36:20):
and of course, the Say this verycarefully the way that they
lock you in is Not great.
It's not.
It's not great, so,realistically, I'll be probably
getting rid of it next year.
Okay, so it's.
Has it brought me clients?
Sure, do I have to waste anenormous amount of time weeding

(36:41):
through bots and things and fakeleads yeah, I do to the point
where I'm looking at the leadscoming in through the not
wedding wire and it's not worthit anymore.
I could take that money andtime and apply it to Google or
YouTube and probably make anenormous amount, a better return
on my investment, for not justtime, but or I should say, not
just money, but time.

(37:02):
Time is the biggest thing.
They make it sound so easywhere you put up your storefront
and we're just gonna sendclients your way.
The problem with the knot andwedding wire and any, any
advertising service like thatthat You're being put up in a
room with other vendors.

(37:25):
So when people come and searchyou, there's a million other
things to click on and no matterwhat they're automatically
comparing you to, to price,because on there you need to put
either a starting price orrecommended price, which is all
things that we'll talk aboutwhen you put on your website and
such.

(37:45):
But the point is you're in aroom of comparison and when
price is the only thing peopleare comparing, it's first of all
, it's a terrible way to find agreat vendor, because you're not
doing a good job understandingwhat they're actually providing
other than a cheaper price, butyou don't know the personality,
you don't know what they're.
We can put some photos on that,but it's very minimal, it's not

(38:09):
very intimate at all and forsomething like photography, you
it needs to be to a level.
So there's the comparison gamegoing on in the wedding wire and
the not world and that type ofadvertising service.
So it's in my mind, it is theleast efficient way of marketing
, because you are paying moneyfor this spot that they also

(38:30):
rotate you through.
So basically, if you're on thenot wedding wire and you're not
on page one, first of all, it'snot even worth it because
nobody's going to page two,three or four.
So there's that realm.
You're just throwing money outthe window.
This is just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
And you have to pay to be on page one, correct?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
You have to pay.
So they have different tiers.
So tier one is like which theyadvertise is like hey, you can
be on the not wedding wire forblah, blah, blah, this price,
and yeah, but you're on page sixlike no one's gonna find you.
No, and they'll say to you oh,but it increases your SEO and
stuff and sure that may help alittle bit, but it doesn't bring
you directly to your website,it brings you to their website,

(39:08):
so it's not helpful.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So let's say, we pay extra for page one.
Now we're on page one.
Page one, though, has 30vendors on it, 30 photographers
to go through.
That's an outrageous amount ofcomparison, and I'm gonna go to
guess that a lot of people onthere are gonna scroll through
and be like oh well, 10 of theselook great and they're selling
their services for $1,500.
I'm not even gonna get, I'm noteven gonna consider the other

(39:31):
ones.
So there's that realm.
You lose out on all of that.
And on top of it, where you'replaced on, page one rotates, so
like if I all of a sudden get astring of leads through the knot
.
I know that my rotation hasmoved to the top, I can almost
guarantee it.
I'm back towards the top, andthen, all of a sudden, the knot

(39:51):
and wedding wire leads go down.
For me it's because I'verotated to the bottom of page
one, and I don't understand this.
Is someone smarter than me canexplain this?
Or if they know, or they don'trelease this information.
I don't know when and how theydo that.
When they've rotate through.
It has nothing to do with me,seemingly, because I've updated
my photos and my bios and thingson there, and it doesn't make a
difference for where I'm placedon that page one.

(40:14):
You can also pay double extraand be on their spotlight, which
always stays at the top, butthey only have a limited number
of those spots and it's hellaexpensive.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Totally not worth it.
How hella expensive.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It depends on the market that you're advertising
in.
So if I'm advertising inWestchester County in New York,
it's extremely expensive becausethere's a lot of volume there,
there's a lot of people, a lotof eyeballs and the demographic
there there's a lot of peoplethat have money out there,
Whereas if I advertise inEastern Central Rhode Island,

(40:50):
there's just not as many people.
There it's gonna be a littlecheaper, so it's still pricey.
So for that same price thatyou're spending per month to be
on there, you could be puttingthat towards a very carefully
curated Google ad which willserve you better, or invest it
into a SEO specialist, or noteven a specialist, but someone

(41:12):
that will help you understandSEO so that you can start taking
charge of that and play thelong game so that your website
starts ranking up when peoplesearch.
Because I'm gonna go to guessand you tell me otherwise, Brook
.
When you search for somethingon Google, do you skip over with
your eyes the first things thatpop up that say sponsored ad?

(41:32):
Do you just go to the firstthing that's not sponsored ad?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
We have all yeah.
Yes, it's true, we've been alot of us, and I know that's not
for everybody, but I'm gonna goto guess I would love to do a
poll how many people areactually clicking on that
sponsored ad?
Because for me it feels spammya little bit.
It does.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So I just wanna go-.
I'm like, oh, this must not bethat good, because they paid to
get it up here.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
They are aware of that.
Google's aware of that.
So I have noticed that how theypresent it is shifting.
It changes a little bit.
It doesn't feel so spammy as arecent, but it's still there.
So how to understand yourindividual's spending habits and
how they find you and how theyeven get to click on you is so

(42:24):
varied and it's one of ourbiggest challenges in the
marketing world.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Before wait, before we get into this, can you just
tell me how you booked yourfirst wedding?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I would-.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Had you done any marketing for that beforehand,
or did you get it by chance andthen you fell in love with it
Like just-?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yep, yep, nope.
So I had been.
So I started the social mediagame.
So I started taking photos ofeverything.
I started taking photos ofsidewalks and architecture,
people that would even let me doit, family and friends.
And then I got my first familysession and that was from a

(43:06):
family friend, and then it was avery small payment, but that
was step one.
So now I have some photos thatwere from a paid client that I
can start using.
And then I asked to do a bridalshoe with one of my wife's a
bridal shoe, a bride and groomOne of my wife's good friends

(43:26):
and they dressed up and Kellydressed up in their wedding gown
and we went to the park and Idid just a ton of photos of all
different things.
So, whatever it is that you'remarketing on your Instagram and
I'll just say Instagram for itnow, if you wanna do weddings,
don't post things ofnon-weddings.
That's kind of like the rulenumber one.

(43:47):
If you're looking to do andhope to get more wedding clients
, don't post photos of families,because that's not helping your
cause.
So I wanted to break into thewedding game, which means I
needed wedding photos.
So where do you start?
Where do you start?
So that's where I started withjust simply free shoots, just
asking people to allow me toshoot couples.
You went fully free.

(44:07):
So after I had some materialfrom my wife and her friend and
things like that, I kept posting, kept reposting it, reposting
it.
And then I did an engagementsession for free and it was a
again, it was friends, so we'restill in the friend zone world,

(44:27):
but they were kind enough to letme do it, so I did it and at
the time I loved those photosand posted them.
And then those same friendsasked us if we would do, because
Kelly was my secretary at thetime, asked us if they would
shoot their wedding Well,knowingly that we were very new
in that realm.
So they took that risk and theywere okay with it they're super

(44:50):
kind people and it allowed meto get an actual full wedding
into my portfolio, which wasreally, really cool.
And then from there I gotanother ask that was once again
friend of a friend did the samething.
Then I started marketing freeengagement sessions, and this

(45:15):
was through a program that Isigned up for from another
photographer.
I did his course and there wasan actual like tactic, a
tactical way of doing it whereit was a landing page do a free
engagement session and then youmight book the couple, or your
odds of booking the couple aremuch higher If you're able to

(45:38):
secure a couple that has notbooked a photographer but wants
to do a free engagement session.
As long as you provide a goodexperience and good photos, your
odds are higher than justsimply shouting on the Instagram
hey, I'm looking for weddings.
You know, I'm selling myservices because you're not
gonna get anybody that way.
It's just, it's just not gonnahappen unless you have a giant
following or a community andthere's proof of concept.

(45:59):
So that's that's the hardestpart proof of concept and trust.
And From there it continued togrow so once I got the next one
in.
So now I've got two weddingsunder my belt, I've got a third
one coming in and you, just, youjust keep going.
You just have to Say this wordvery carefully.

(46:20):
We're very the word hustle hasgotten such a bad stigma to it
because we want to talk aboutmental health and, you know,
making sure you take care ofyourself and you don't want to
burn yourself out.
But I will say this carefully.
But when you are Starting offin a new, you want to grow a

(46:42):
business.
You want to start off and youwant it to To grow.
You're looking to make this acareer that pays your bills
full-time.
If that is your plan, I Don'twant to say there's no other way
but to hustle.
But hustling will get you therea little bit faster.
When I say hustling, I meanaccepting that not everybody's
gonna pay for your services atfirst and you have to figure out

(47:03):
creative ways to get contentand To do that it is that word
hustle.
So did I hustle at thebeginning of my career?
I did because I was alsoworking a full-time job and the
only time you have to edit whichI know a lot of people in here
know about this You're editingat night.
You're editing on weekends.
You're always working.

(47:24):
Yeah but sometimes that's whatit takes if you really are
determined to make that switch.
So that's my, that's my basestory.
That's how I got, how I workedmyself into this industry.
No matter which way you spin it, it takes hard work, that's I
mean.
There's no other way aroundthat.
There's no secret sauce to this.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
No, it's, it's funny, I hear I like I see this post
that goes around all the timeand it's like.
It's like Open your ownbusiness and do something that
you love, and it has like youknow, and you'll never work a
day in your life, and it'scrossed out and it's like you'll
work really, really fuckinghard every day you will.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
You'll be stressed out a lot.
You're gonna make a lot of.
You're gonna have so manyfailures, endless failures and
things that you're gonna be like.
I can't believe.
I made that mistake and it'spart of it.
It's just all part of it.
Determination and consistencyis You're two biggest allies.
To do anything, you don't needto be fully talented.

(48:23):
That's that is also I'm somepeople here.
I've heard that many times aswell.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Consistency will trump talent every time so the
other thing that I think is kindof interesting because I didn't
start my career, I mean, I IFeel like one of the best ways
to break into the weddingindustry is by second shooting
for a photographer who isalready pretty established
within that community.
And I've had a few secondshooters of mine go on to open

(48:52):
their own businesses and, youknow, start shooting on their
own.
And but it's so funny becauseyou didn't do that and neither
did I.
I hadn't second shot foranybody before Shooting my own,
like my first wedding.
I was shooting it by myself andI had never I, I it was.
I shot my first wedding for$600 and it was somebody from my

(49:13):
hometown and they were fullyaware and I think that that's
like really important is that ifyou're gonna jump into
something, like this.
You need to make sure thatyou're not like acting like
you're too big for your bridges,kind of like you need to have
some level of Honesty where it'slike this is my first time and
I am charging these ratesbecause it's my first time and

(49:36):
you know, kind of just likeletting them know fully what
they're going into is hiring youas their wedding photographer,
because it is it's a huge day,it's a huge Task, it is the
biggest day of someone's life,which we can get into the mental
capacity that that takes alittle bit later.
But yeah, I do find it sointeresting that both of us kind

(49:59):
of shot our own first weddingbefore having second shot for
somebody else.
And I think that that's a lotof the reason why I generally
don't second shoot for people isbecause, like, maybe it's
because I'm a control freak andI feel like I, in order to have
my my it's gonna, it's gonnamake me sound kind of snooty,
but like in order to have myname, like, even if I'm second

(50:22):
shooting, like if I'm secondshooting for you, I want to make
sure that those people had agood experience with Brooke
Brady within Chris Styles.
You know what I'm saying.
So it's I Don't really knowwhere I'm trying to go with.
That is like Okay, it's you.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
You hit the nail on the head.
So the conversation piece hereis that most people, I'd say
popular, popular advice in thisrealm would be you know, always
make sure you second shootbefore you start doing your own
weddings.
Yeah, you and I are examples ofthat.
We did not do that.
I think it depends on yourpersonality.
That's not because For me it'sa.

(50:59):
I'm oh, I've always been a verylike.
There's like four differenttypes of sales people.
Lone Wolf is one of them.
Lone wolf being, you know, doeverything on their own.
Not good at delegating, workingon that big time it's been a
huge one.
For me this year is delegating,because it makes my life a lot
easier and more efficient for mybusiness.
But but in this, in, in thisexample, kelly explained it to

(51:24):
me and she heard it fromsomebody, and I think Jennifer's
a patka explained this to metoo.
It was.
She also heard the same thingand it was like.
It was like how Men and women'sbrains works when it comes to
multitasking, and I don't thinkit would comes down to men and
women, but it comes down topersonality in the end here.
But essentially in the example,women's brains are Like spider

(51:45):
webs where you can, you can hoparound from every web to web in
conversation or whatever you'redoing.
Yeah, and men's brains are likefiling cabinets, where when I
have one open, that's the filingcabinet that's open you.
If you try to jump to you knowtopic over here or make me do
something over here, I'm not inthat filing cabinet.

(52:05):
I can't go there.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yet I have here reminds me a sponge Bob.
Do you remember that episode?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, no, I.
And it's funny because you willhear wedding professionals say
you know, like, obviously, becareful who you choose for your
wedding.
It depends on the size of thewedding, the style of the
wedding, yeah, the budget of thewedding, all of that kind of
stuff.
But it's not it is okay tochoose somebody who doesn't have
experience.

(52:35):
You just need to know whatyou're going into and what to
expect out of that experiencewith this person who is doing
something that's new for them.
Because I I always, you knowsomebody took a chance on me.
If you're looking for a budgetedwedding photography, you have
to understand the risks that isthat come with hiring somebody
that has no experience.
But at the same time, you canhave a really great experience,

(52:58):
like, hopefully, the people whoI started out my career with.
They had the experience thatthey expected.
But setting those expectations,I think, is a really, really
important part of your marketingwhen you're Beginning, because
if you're marketing yourself asa luxury photographer from the
very start and then you don'tprovide luxury service, that is,
yeah, an essential way to makeyour business tank.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, it's, it's hot, it's hard right, it's hard to
know when you can startadvertising or marketing certain
the clients that you're hopingto get, and you can't just walk
into a luxury wedding more.
You can't walk into a luxuryanything business without
experience.
You, you, there's anexpectation from that
Environment and you're not goingto be able to provide it is my

(53:42):
guess until you've had a decentamount of experience.
Right so yeah, you should befocusing on your craft before
getting into the detailed Typesof clientele that you want to
break it down to now.
You may want a certainclientele that you're hoping to
get, which in this case isn't.
You know, the luxury market isthe example.
But when you are right from theget-go, in the beginning, you

(54:05):
kind of have to feel that out.
You have to practice around andtake a wide variety of clients.
That's a always good adviceright.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I do think it's so interesting that you have paid
for so much marketing, because Iknow it's so funny.
Like when you said that thisepisode was going to be about
marketing, I'm like I don'treally know if I have a lot to
add, even though I literally wasa marketing advantage.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That's so excited about us, like that's literally
you, you've got some.
You've got some stuff in thatbrain in there, somewhere that
you From education.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Hey guys, we're actually doing things a little
differently.
This week, in the height of ourbusy wedding seasons, we
couldn't find the time to chat,so we're releasing part two of
this episode next week.
We also have been receiving alot of questions from you guys
to answer about life, weddings,work balance, etc.
We'll be starting to release amini episode weekly to answer
one question per week.
If you're interested in havingus answer your question, you can

(55:02):
head to our Instagram and sendus a DM.
Thanks so much for listeningand we'll see you guys next week
.