June 27, 2023 • 33 mins
Wedding trends come and go, but how do you ensure the choices you make for your big day are timeless and not regretful? In this conversation, we examine trends and traditions like pearl veils and the garter toss, and discuss how photographers handle capturing these moments. Join us as we chat about the roots of wedding traditions and share our thoughts on creating memorable, timeless wedding moments.
Lastly, have you considered hiring a content creator for your wedding? We dive into the pros and cons of this trend and its impact on wedding photography and videography. From capturing the essence of beach attire evolution to discussing how to break up the reception portion of a wedding album, we've got you covered. Don't miss this captivating episode as we examine the delicate balance between embracing new trends and capturing timeless memories in the ever-changing world of weddings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, we just wanted to put a quick note at
the top of this episode to letyou all know that when we
recorded we had not yet heardthe outcome of the missing
submersible that was trying tovisit the Titanic.
We don't want to make light ofthe situation and we fully
recognize that five people losttheir lives tragically.
We chatted a bit about it inthe beginning of this episode
and our hearts go out to thefamilies and friends of these
explorers.
That countdown is going tospook me like a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
There's an actual countdown here that we're
looking at on the screen.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a lot of pressure to see like the five,
four, three, two um go.
Okay, have you seen all of thisstuff about the missing
submarine?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I have That is nightmare fuel That is pure
nightmare fuel for me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I thought about you instantly because one of the
like the first things that welike bonded over, was the fact
that we're so afraid of theocean.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yup, That's I same exact thing.
I definitely knew if you sawthat you were going to be like
nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,nope.
I've been following it allmorning.
I didn't even realize that wasa thing I didn't know that you
could just I mean, i guess, ifyou're super wealthy and you can
just probably do whatever youwant, go to space, go to see the
Titanic, because, yeah, it'snearly two and a half miles
(01:12):
under the ocean, there's no life.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, well, i was going to say I think you have to
have at least like $250,000 oflike expendables to be able to
actually like even consider thistype of a thing.
You couldn't pay me, i don't.
you could not pay me to get onthat, let alone me spending
$250,000 to be like.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And it's.
It's just five and it's a tinylittle thing.
It's not big like you're andthere's.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Did you see the way they control it?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, oh, wait a minute .
How do they control it?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Dude, you didn't see the video where they're like
showing like the inside and allof that.
Absolutely.
It's like a PS4 controller.
The guys literally like you goup, you go down, it has, he's
controlling it with a joystickthat you can buy at a gas
station.
Oh, I'm like 250,000 dollars toget into a tiny little thing
(02:04):
and then see the PS4 controller.
I'd be like no, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean I would look at that in general and go, i'm
out.
I don't even need a PS4controller to tell me that
that's, that's wild And I I meanit's a tragedy, it's absolute
tragedy, because I all, all youcan hope for is that you know,
if, at that pressure, or Ishould say yeah, at that depth,
we were doing the science thismorning real quick, which?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
you and Kelly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, cause we were, you know, went.
but this is, you go back tometeorology, you had to.
and then for her oceanographyshe did physical oceanography,
which is like crazy math andscience, and oh, i should have
known you guys would have beenall over this, oh yeah.
Immediately went down and waslike okay, so what does that
actually mean?
What's the pressure at thatlevel?
So, super scientific nerdy,this is as much as I'll give you
is that it's super easy tocalculate pressure underwater
(02:53):
because, generally speaking,water is not compressible like
air.
Like air you can.
That's why you can squeeze airinto a tank and it can keep.
Like you know, pressure waterYou can't.
You can't squeeze it.
It is what it is, it's, it'sgot a certain density and you
can't change it.
So what that means is it's easyto calculate how much weight is
(03:15):
around you because of you.
It's kind of a weird concept,but you think about it as you go
deeper and deeper, there's morewater on top of you and that's
weight.
So it's literally that's thepressure, it's literally pushing
down on you.
So as you continue to go deeperand deeper, it's literally just
a curve on a line, or it's nota curve, it's just straight line
.
How much pressure is it?
And at that level, at thatdepth, titanic, it's 6,000
(03:38):
pounds per square inch aroundthat metal tube.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And that's literally what it is some metal or like
that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Or the pressure outside that you just walk
outside.
We use the, the terminology andatmosphere That's like the unit
one atmosphere at that levelIt's 480, 480 atmospheres of
pressure.
So it's 480 times The amount ofpressure versus just standing
outside on a normal day.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I'm not okay with it.
So, and there's and there's noway for them to open it from the
from the inside either, likethey were saying like okay, best
case scenario is like they'rejust lost and they're bobbing
around on the ocean surfacesomewhere.
Even if they were doing that,they're still running out of air
inside because they can't openit from the inside.
There's no way to do it.
They need somebody to unbolt itfrom the outside.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, that's terrible , that's terrible, That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I just can't it's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's that is, and I'm looking at my screen right
now shaking.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh, it's awful.
I just I can't even imagine,and, like all of these people,
to me it doesn't.
I mean, i don't know.
You see these like spaceexcursions and that seems like
it would probably be like thescariest thing ever, but when I
think about going underneath thewater that's 10 times scarier
to me.
Nope, No do you do you get intothe submarine going like, okay,
(04:59):
this might be it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know like I'm I'm sure, like anything that you've
ever, if you've ever even likea carnival ride, right, it's
just like something where we'llsay something more than a
carnival.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've you ever done.
Don't scare me with thecarnival.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm not going on carnival rides anymore after the
things that I've seen.
so, but have you ever doneanything I'm trying to think of
like something random that you'dsign a waiver for and you're
like, oh, you know, you kind oflike half joking, like, well,
this is safe, it's just theyjust have to make you sign a
waiver skydiving, bungee jumpingOh, did you do those?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I have not done.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh okay, i just talked to somebody.
No, i literally like checkingoff, like, oh yeah, skydiving,
bungee jumping, i was coming.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, no, i'm thinking of all the things that you would
sign a waiver for, i Don't know.
I talked to somebody last weekthat did the skydiving.
They said that it like changedtheir life And I was, like Good
thing it changed yours, cuz minestay in the same.
I am not doing that, prettysure.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Who you photograph Matt McEwen, taylor.
Did they?
that's yeah, i'm nearlypositive that they did skydiving
.
I'm like 99% sure they hearthis.
They're gonna below me nowagain.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Good for them.
I'm good on that.
I think I'm good It's, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
How about this?
would you rather skydive, orrather Go in a submarine?
you don't have to go the depthof Titanic, but just literally
get in one and go in a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I Don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm getting in the air.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm getting in the air, i'm not going underwater
perfectly telling.
That's Kelly and I have thisconversation.
She's like it's a it's She'sjust she can scuba dive, she
certified scuba diver, but aslike a kid, she would absolutely
go scuba diving at Ridiculousdepths versus skydive and for me
, being, and you, afraid of theocean, those deep levels, i
(06:45):
would absolutely take skydiving,no doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, i just or neither.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'll take neither too .
If that's an option, i'm gonnago with that.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, and I was looking it up, i guess they've
had like successful excursionsgoing down there since 2021, so
this isn't the first time thatthey did it.
This is just the first timeit's gone missing, which is
really, really frightening.
I don't know, i just Thoughtsand prayers, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't it's, yeah, i , it is, no, it's, it's, it's
awful, like it's absolutelyawful.
I, i truly You, you will, asI've had read, as I'm just like
stumbling over my words here, ifanything, if it were there
actually was a crack in thatActual to you know, they
wouldn't even have known itwould have been milliseconds
because the pressure is sointense.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So to me that's like best case scenario.
It sounds terrible, but like Iwould rather that than have all
of my oxygen running out and noone can find us.
Yep I don't know anyway, what amorbid way to start, but I just
couldn't, i couldn't not talkto you about it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, though it's, it was one of my friends, tim,
sent it to yesterday to ourlittle group text, and I
immediately was like, oh god, no, no, that's didn't.
Didn't even realize it, didn'trealize that was a thing awful,
awful.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, we're taking a turn taking turn again
thoughts and prayers.
Okay, so today I want to talk toyou about what in trends.
So the premise of this entirepodcast is basically to have the
push to have our Clients andother people who are listening
not even just our clients thepush to capture really authentic
moments, and I want to go oversome trends with you and, in a
(08:26):
general sense, what trends mean.
You know basically What wethink as photographers about
what these trends are doing fora day.
Are they a waste of time?
Are they going to be somethingthat will turn timeless?
So, first things first.
I just want to talk to youabout, like your opinion on
trends in general, thetrendiness of Let's just say
(08:48):
we'll give an example, becausethis is a, this is a good one.
I even had pearls in my littlething, so pearl veils, for
example are a trend that'shappening right now.
Do we think that that's gonnaturn timeless or do we think
that people are gonna regretthat in the future, going I?
you know I probably didn't needto have that.
What do you think, not justspecifically about the pearl
(09:10):
veils, but about our clientsfollowing these trends and
hoping that it will staytimeless in their photos?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
totally depends on what it is, how loud it is,
meaning not just like actualvolume, but you know Actually,
how much of it does it take upthe photo?
Is it screaming at you?
Is it something so outlandishand the definition of outlandish
is totally dependent upon,potentially, the person.
But pearls on the veil, even ifit goes out of style, i don't
(09:44):
think that's going to besomething.
I'd look back and go, oh andI'm, it's coming for me not
wearing a veil.
Yeah, i Would go to guess,though It's, you know it's,
they're on a white dress,neutral colors.
I think that's really elegant.
I really don't think that wouldbe something that would stick
out to me, especially even asthe photographer.
I would not be worried aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I wouldn't be concerned.
And if a bride was concerned Iwould say yeah, if you really
want these, you know, go for it.
This in a photo and a black andwhite photo are gonna look
beautiful.
In a color photo they're gonnalook beautiful right.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What's like pearls themselves, when they were out
of style?
just the pearls on the veilmaybe, but the pearls that I've
to me?
pearls are Timeless, they'reclassic.
Yeah, so the trend of addingthem to into your hair, which I
did, and doing the, you know,the On the cathedral veil, i
don't think that that's evertechnically gonna go out of
style.
So that is a visual trend.
So when you think about trendsbeing activities, how do you
(10:41):
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Those are the ones that stand out to me.
Activities stand out becausethey just Let's just, i guess,
remove the photography portionof it.
Great example Wait, i pick itright off the bat is garter toss
.
Right, garter toss isdefinitely one that it was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Everyone did it everyone did it 20, 30 years ago
.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I would love to know how far back that started and
like when that started and why,to be completely honest, why it
took so long to start phasingout, because, yeah, it's a
little, a little cringe It's alittle it's really cringe, yeah,
yeah, and like it's Can belight-hearted and it could be a
little bit funny, but it and it,it is but it, but at the same
(11:26):
time it's not it's.
Yeah like we could just so again, even from our standpoint.
When I find out that peoplearen't doing that anymore, it's
like, yeah, let's, we're good Wecan be fun from that one.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's okay.
And the bouquet toss The boots.
I feel like most people that Iphotograph right now don't do
the bouquet toss anymore theydon't.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And even beyond the bouquet, toss the Cake cutting
used to be such a big thing andpeople still so.
I don't know about you, but Ifind that they'd still do the
cake cutting.
But it's almost labeled alwaysnow just like private, private
cutting Yep just like.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Just want the photos.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
just want the photos, they just want to do it, and
then that's it, and then, yeah,so Interesting isn't that weird.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, i think at one point we had what we either have
to dig it up from, like thevery beginning of when we
started podcasting.
But I remember we tried to doan episode Which, by example,
for example No, not for exampleI'm tongue-tied- by example, no
an example.
No, for example.
No, i'm not trying to say thatNo we, we tried to do a podcast
(12:28):
on wedding trends or not.
Wedding trends shit.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think we're looking at each other.
Talked a lot, yeah, no, this isso.
This is the first time thatwe're looking at each other on a
screen, so you can't verydistracting.
It's very different.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's very different and you know.
Apologies if we're like yeah.
Look away So yeah, um no, we didone on wedding traditions is
what we did.
We did one on weddingtraditions and where they came
from and all of that.
So we're either gonna have todig that up or we're gonna have
to redo a traditions one.
If it was like terrible qualityBecause it probably was I think
we recorded at my house.
But we did one on traditionsand then we discussed briefly
(13:08):
how the garter toss was tiedinto the idea that the father
was giving away his daughter,the bride, and a lot of that
also had to do it with, like youknow, almost like doing like a
trade at one point for your,your daughter as a bride, for
livestock and all of that.
So some of me almost wonders ifthe garter Tradition has
(13:30):
something to do with that.
Probably, it probably does likelike a sacred thing that you're
taking off of the brides thighto To change ownership or
something you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, there are so many I don't even know what the
word would be things that wetake for granted and just do,
and I always have thisconversation of like Do you know
why you do it?
Is there a?
I know that you think it's justbecause, so, even the, even the
concept, what was I talkingabout recently?
It was like There's a, so I'mI'm tanging a little bit, but
(14:05):
it'll, it'll come full circle,full circle here.
You're good.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
There is a book.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There's a bunch of them in Connecticut.
These are.
There was the same author whomade these books of like It's
like the history of the town.
I know you've.
You saw the cover.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You probably see yeah , I've definitely seen them.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, and they're like it's like a sepia color
almost on the cover and there'sa block island one that I had
got Kelly a few years back andshe was going through at the
other night because we had justgone to block Island and Inside
of it was a photo from I'm gonnasay it was the 1920s, might
have been the 1920s of people atthe beach on block Island and
(14:43):
they're wearing Full suits liketux with tails and hats and
everyone, and it looks soridiculous because they're
wearing up You know not muchshoe choices back then.
I'm assuming so to wear likecasual clothes, because that
wasn't a thing, people didn't goto the beach yet and like hang
out.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So I Can't even like.
You just go to the beach in asuit.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's just what you did, because going out and like
being in public, it was just.
You know, it's the class, itwas the sign of class.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, like the nudity, thing and that?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
well, that too, but it was just.
It was wild to see that photo,and it wasn't until The 50s that
there was basically like arevolution of like oh, you can
wear bathing suits because that.
But you couldn't even buy thoseclothes.
They didn't exist yet.
You couldn't in America, youcouldn't buy.
You know, go shopping for abathing suit.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It wasn't a thing, it's so strange, like how, i
guess how, how recently all ofthese things have become popular
, you know?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
what.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm saying like you think about, like bathing suits
They've been around forever butthey haven't they haven't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You don't realize, like how, like in reality, like
in general, america in in itselfis not that old.
It's, it's really not.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So it's kind of why you think about that.
Yeah, what are you saying?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, nothing, i was just like thinking for a second.
Yeah, we just both just goes up, and So, going back to The
traditions of something like the, the garter toss, what are some
other ones that you, that you,i mean just the bouquet, okay,
(16:21):
okay, so like.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So, those are some traditions that I just don't
really understand.
I mean, i they're phasing out,which is awesome, and new trends
are coming in, which is what Iwanted to talk to you about
today, and I think I thinkeverybody's just trying to be as
creative as humanly possible totry to create these new trends,
and I know you sent me one nottoo long ago.
(16:42):
It was something about makingyour cake cutting like a photo
opportunity, where the bride andthe groom cut a cake and serve
each of their guests a piece ofthe cake Yes, and in.
In theory, that sounds reallygreat.
If you have 25 people at yourwedding, that sounds really nice
, you know, if you have 125people.
(17:04):
That sounds Terrible, and itsounds terrible for your
photographer to be totallyhonest.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It would just be it.
It can't be a last-minutedecision.
It would have to be somethingPlanned well ahead of time,
because I would I mean, i wouldhave to have Another
photographer there, like or youare literally sacrificing an
enormous amount of time anenormous.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It has to be like an hour of your time to have all of
your people come up.
Yes, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be wild because, also, going to guess,
cake cutting at that time It'sprobably dark or it's or your
inside or it's not good naturallight.
So it's not easy for us to justlike whip up around the corner
and be like, yeah, real quick,boom, boom, boom.
We got to make sure that thelighting is good once it's set,
even from an, even from a flashoff camera.
You know you should be good togo, but it still takes time to
(17:57):
set up and That would just befor me.
That would be a nightmare.
That would be just kind of aI'm.
Another trend on this realm wasthe which I have.
You and I went back and forthon this.
Last time we talked about itwas Running around the room in a
song and catching all thetables.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So I've done it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I've seen it well and I've seen what can happen when
it doesn't go well.
Yeah so there's, there's risksinvolved on both sides of that
for the, for the couple.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The risk is, you know , the picture is not gonna be
that great like unless you havea perspective, unless you start
the song out by saying everybody, get up at your table, stand
together in a group around yourtable, and the bride and the
groom are gonna come in themiddle.
Like leave some space, becauseif everybody's sitting at the
table, you have a round tableand everybody They're gonna be
(18:44):
like.
Some of the people in yourphotos are gonna be like Yeah
that's you know.
Their backs are to you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yep, and it would so from the Photography standpoint.
What do you got to do from that?
Well, that means you've got areally Close down your aperture
because you don't want people tobe weirdly out of focus because
it's probably gonna be a circletable And you're gonna have a
ring around it unless everyone'sin a perfect line.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And your lighting is different all around your venue,
so you have to keep just Overthe place.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So that was a you know one venue had done was a.
You know it had an upstairs andit downstairs and there's beams
in the way And there was a.
You know it was.
It was tricky, it waschallenging.
At the end of the day, goodwith their.
You know they're just sillyphotos and but that's what they
wanted.
They want just you know it was afun, fun photo, so it it.
The trend totally entirelydepends on Understanding what's
(19:33):
gonna happen, how your coupleexpects what the photo should
look like, and you makingexpectations clear of what that
will be.
But I have noticed that that,at least for me I don't know
about you I'm already seeingthat trend die down.
I'm already.
I haven't had that, i've onlyhad one wedding ever do it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I've only had one of my couples ever do it and It was
it was.
I'm not.
I'm not trying to complain, itwas fun.
Because they did like they did,like the six flag, like.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
As they went around the whole room.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's a fun thing to watch the bride in the groom do
it, but from a photographerstandpoint it's a nightmare
trying to figure out thelighting and all of the
different corners, and and thenif you Take a photo and they're
trying to get to everybody bythe end of the song and you're
like, wait, but this photo isactually kind of shit, are we
moving to the next one?
You know, thank you friend.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, the best ones that I've had doing that were
basically wide open ballroomswith a neutral color ceiling.
And I'm able to.
I don't.
I don't have a, you know, i'mnot gonna have a second shoot to
run around with a flash, i'mgonna just use my bounce and
we're.
And it was okay, it was good.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, the one that I ever did.
It was in a white tintedwedding, which is that works.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yep, totally fine.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, it's against the white.
The other thing, the other onewas The dollar dance.
Did you get, have you?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
ever done that, yet Never done it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's, it's only, it's only a nightmare, because, as
they so like, what people do is,they come up, they put a dollar
in the jar And I could becomplaining about a trend that's
totally dying down, because Ithink only two of my clients
have ever done it But the brideand the groom stand, or the
wedding couple Stand up on oneside, like both sides, and then
(21:18):
somebody comes up for a danceAnd you basically do like a spin
with the bride and a spin withthe groom and then you have
photos taken of you On the spinbut like if you're only doing
one spin and your photo comesout bad.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh yeah, you know, it's kind of like oh no, you
know.
Cuz like.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Then they get photos of some people but not all the
people, cuz I don't, i don'tdeliver photos of people.
That are just bad.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just I can't you know it's yeah Well, meaning
like in the shot itself, likeit's just not, it doesn't look
great, yeah well like, if, iflike, for example, if I take two
shots and in both of them theperson is blinking.
What, yeah, what am I supposedto do there?
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
so like, okay, you paid a dollar to have this
dollar dance, but you don'ttechnically get your photo
because it was only one quickspin, it's just.
It's those things that It seemslike a huge Time suck I don't
want to say like a time waster,but it's a huge time suck for
Photos that aren't really gonnacome out that good, like the
(22:19):
table photos.
It's like, do you really wantto run around and do that, or
would you rather just like enjoyand see them?
on the dance floor or stuff likethat.
So I have a list of Of someWedding trends that are
happening right now and I justgo through it.
I want to hear it, Okay sowe've got a phone guest book.
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I'm that's a freaking love that, because it's cute,
you can do it on the side, it's.
you know, it's really nice tobe able to hear these like
little custom messages frompeople.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I think that's awesome.
Yeah, I love that trend.
I don't think it's gonna die.
I.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Have you know it's, it's hit or miss.
I've seen that only in a few,but it's.
but I don't think it's like aYeah, let's put it this way,
it's, even if it was a dyingtrend.
I think we need like a seal ofapproval, something here that
that's a, that's a good trend,that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, yes, okay, we agree on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right.
So then we've got a microbouquets, basically a little
tiny.
I'm good, i'm honestly I don'tknow if the floral industry will
hate me for this I love likedainty florals, like I love-.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't think I hate you for that.
I think it's totally dependentupon each person.
So what they're gonna make isI'm sure that to get it to look
good, even dainty is still a.
that's still a talent to getthat perfect, so Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, I just think dainty means less florals, So
it's kind of like you know, Idon't want nobody in the floral
industry.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
come at me because I had dainty florals at my wedding
.
Send them to me.
I love them.
I love them.
Send all the Send yourpitchforks to Chris.
That's fine, okay, so microbouquets.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're saying yes.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh yeah, Okay, Me too .
We have okay this one Day ofContent Creation, So this is
basically yeah.
So this is basically.
I think you had somebody dothis with you at a wedding not
too long ago.
Somebody was following youaround with a phone to create
content Create-.
Yes, it was a wedding.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, you are Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So I think it.
so this one once againexpectations.
So if it is a couple who iscompletely okay with that and
maybe not only okay with it, butmaybe it feels like a paparazzi
style, like this is my big day,like yeah, get the people here
record them, this is awesome.
But there are couples that aregoing to be the complete
(24:39):
opposite of that and are private, who don't want that at all.
So it you can't just, as aphotographer, hire someone for
behind the scenes if that is notokay with your couple.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So- Is that how it happened?
Is your?
you had to hire the contentcreator.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think there's multiple ways to go about it,
but I know one of them is thephotographer can actually hire
the content creator for videobehind the scenes of them
working.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh, so I'm looking at this like the bride and the
groom or the wedding couple.
are the content creators likefor a job?
That's what I was thinking islike they hire their own content
creator to not be working withthe photographer, necessarily, i
didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, i have not personally had to.
I have not seen that.
I have not seen a bride and agroom hire a content creator,
because the content creators, inmy mind, would be the
photographer and thevideographer.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I would think, but we don't also get
like.
We get behind the scenes butit's not, you know, when we're
taking photos of the dress beingbustled, for example we're not
also taking a video of thepeople bustling the dress.
We're taking the photos but wedon't necessarily have the video
to be able, like when we'retaking photos, basically, we
can't take the video as well.
(25:56):
So if somebody wanted thecontent creation and like let's
say that the bride was like acontent creator for her own
business and she decided, like Iwant somebody to follow us
around all day with, you know,an iPhone, just to create that
and then send me all of thefootage, I think it's good, like
I'm giving this like a onethumbs up and a one thumbs down
(26:19):
only because I feel like it's soeasy to forget what you're
there for, kind of, and like getcaught up in, like well, i'm
working today Because, like, ifyou're taking, if you are a
content creator and you'reconstantly taking the behind the
scenes, or you have somebody orjust one of your friends taking
the behind the scenes andthey're like, oh, do that again.
(26:40):
And then it doesn't really giveyou time with your photographer
or your real videographer.
And now you feel to me, if Iwas a bride who was a content
creator and I hired somebody todo that.
I would feel like I'm workingall day.
Sure, that's yeah, absolutely,but having a friend that just
kind of like takes videos anddoes things like on their own
and whatever.
like you get what you get andyou don't get upset.
(27:01):
And you know you could kind ofsay like do you mind?
just like videoing some behindthe scenes, but if you're
literally doing it for creatingcontent for your job, that is
where I'm like no, that's athumbs down, like I don't think
that that's entirely necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I would agree 100% on this, and I know that's so
boring for a podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I should be here to be eating this out here at both
sides.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I do.
I think the we're going to yeah, thumbs up.
This is terrible.
The camera thumbs up, thumbsdown, both.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh, oh, for both reasons.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Just for the sole purpose of this podcast, which
is about creating realauthenticity and everything is
BS.
Yeah, we don't live in the sideof you know, complete What's
the word like?
fabricated, fabricated looks ofa wedding day.
You know you want to make itspecial, make it nice, but check
off the reasons why you'redoing it.
So we do work and I absolutelydo lean into the the realism
(27:55):
here of why you're there foryour right, because it's your
wedding day with your partner.
So yeah, i once again.
Unfortunately, it depends.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, thumbs down,
thumb in the middle.
So I'm not really going to gotoo much into like the, i guess,
like the styles of like weddingday, like I, i see that some
trends are like you know, theembroidered veils.
I think that's really cool, imean, i think whatever you
choose for your look, or likebows right now are apparently a
trend.
But like, when have we ever nothad bows?
(28:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
yeah, bows have just always come in and out.
So, it's not more, maybe it's,i guess it's.
we consider bow like bootlegcut jeans like right, they were
popular, and then they kind ofcome back, but they'll always
come back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It'll always come back.
We'll never not have a bowsomewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yep, what do you think about like having a second
dress to change into for thereception?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Or like a second look .
Speaker 1 (28:53):
In general, I want to be like very inclusive, like
not just for the bride.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, Oh no, I'm all about that.
That's selfishly, because I'm aphotographer and I'm like, oh
different, You know here's yeah.
I think about it from like thealbum perspective too, because
when they, they that's you know,a wedding album.
I'm all about chronologicalorder, making it look good like
a story, and having that secondpiece to change into like just
(29:18):
it, just like helps your brainvisualize the next step of the
story instead of.
So sometimes I feel like thatway I don't know how you deliver
your photos.
When I deliver photos, you knowI'm breaking it up into the
sections of the day.
Yep, Me too, and sometimes thereception section is just so
long and I don't know how tobreak that up, sometimes other
than like before cake, aftercake, like I don't know how I
(29:39):
would label that, but that wouldbe a great way to do it.
It just like mentally.
For me that would separate thedifferent parts of the night.
Yeah, it's just like you know,here's formal portion of
reception and then here's likeextra fun part.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that would be cool, so what.
I usually do to break up thereception is, if we have an
opportunity to go out for sunsetportraits, i will do the first
half of the reception and thenI'll do the sunset portraits.
So I have like portraits too,and then the second half of the
reception that'll be broken up.
But if they don't have sunsetportraits then it's all just
kind of one big fun time.
(30:13):
But, I think and this isunpopular because of like the
money that goes into it.
But I've seen so many horrorstories about dresses either
getting completely, and I'mtalking like like listen, my
dress was ruined at the end ofthe night, i was okay with it.
I tell all my brides I'm like,listen, if you're going to be
one of those brides, it's goingto get bent out of shape.
(30:34):
If you step on the back of yourdress and it has a grass to the
back of your dress, it has agrass stain.
Like I'm not for you, because Ijust feel like my brides are so
adventurous, like they justwant to like walk around and
have a good time.
If your dress is not dirty atthe end of the night, you didn't
do your night right.
But that also comes with like alittle like I've seen brides
and grooms and wedding partieson like docks that go down, and
(30:59):
so for me, i think havingsomething to change into no
matter what is a really goodidea.
Yeah, You know what I'm saying,like just in case something
could happen, and it doesn'thave to be another complete
wedding gown.
but to not have a backup is alittle risky.
You know what I'm saying, causeanything could happen, anything
.
Do you agree or no?
(31:21):
I do agree.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
To be completely honest, i just was thinking back
on what I said and I saidbootleg cut jeans.
Is that what they're called?
They're not bootleg, are they?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I think they're.
They're just bootcut.
I think they're just bootcut.
Yeah, bootleg, bootleg, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I said so I was literally thinking about that.
I was like I'm pretty sure it'snot bootleg, but that's what I
said.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So in your brain I'm talking and you're like bootleg.
Yeah, if you can hear mythoughts you just gave me that
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I was like bootleg bootleg?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
No, definitely not bootleg.
I have to address this.
I have to address it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I absolutely two thumbs up, like, if you want my
answer on this, two thumbs up,give yourself an outfit to
change into, make it fun, makeit still formal, ish, and you're
probably going to be way morecomfortable in it.
Specifically for, like awedding gown, like what some
brides want to wear theirwedding gown all night.
Because it's the wedding gownand you went to, you're going to
wear it just like that again.
Yeah, but it's also sometimesreally heavy and just not easy
(32:19):
to move around and on the dancefloor, and especially if you
want to get out and dance.
The last wedding I was just at,the bride changed into her
second dress and it was this,you know, still beautiful,
gorgeous thing that you couldeasily dance with though way
easier.
And there's something about ittoo, because when she came out
in her new dress, all of asudden talk of the town again.
Oh my God, have you seen her?
Have you seen what she'swearing?
(32:39):
Like, and everyone gets likefor some reason like oh my God,
yeah, Just like the dancer likegets more energized again
because she's like Oh, she'sready, let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So love that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Um, let's see.
So that's a resounding yes forboth of us, which is good.
Then we have let's see, let'ssee Sorry, i'm like watching.
Okay, many reception dresses.
Yeah, we already said yes forthat.
(33:08):
Small bouquets, yep.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I got one.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh, tell me.
Hey guys, we just wanted to put a quick note at
the top of this episode to letyou all know that when we
recorded we had not yet heardthe outcome of the missing
submersible that was trying tovisit the Titanic.
We don't want to make light ofthe situation and we fully
recognize that five people losttheir lives tragically.
We chatted a bit about it inthe beginning of this episode
and our hearts go out to thefamilies and friends of these
explorers.
That countdown is going tospook me like a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
There's an actual countdown here that we're
looking at on the screen.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a lot of pressure to see like the five,
four, three, two um go.
Okay, have you seen all of thisstuff about the missing
submarine?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I have That is nightmare fuel That is pure
nightmare fuel for me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I thought about you instantly because one of the
like the first things that welike bonded over, was the fact
that we're so afraid of theocean.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yup, That's I same exact thing.
I definitely knew if you sawthat you were going to be like
nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,nope.
I've been following it allmorning.
I didn't even realize that wasa thing I didn't know that you
could just I mean, i guess, ifyou're super wealthy and you can
just probably do whatever youwant, go to space, go to see the
Titanic, because, yeah, it'snearly two and a half miles
(01:12):
under the ocean, there's no life.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, well, i was going to say I think you have to
have at least like $250,000 oflike expendables to be able to
actually like even consider thistype of a thing.
You couldn't pay me, i don't.
you could not pay me to get onthat, let alone me spending
$250,000 to be like.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And it's.
It's just five and it's a tinylittle thing.
It's not big like you're andthere's.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Did you see the way they control it?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, oh, wait a minute .
How do they control it?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Dude, you didn't see the video where they're like
showing like the inside and allof that.
Absolutely.
It's like a PS4 controller.
The guys literally like you goup, you go down, it has, he's
controlling it with a joystickthat you can buy at a gas
station.
Oh, I'm like 250,000 dollars toget into a tiny little thing
(02:04):
and then see the PS4 controller.
I'd be like no, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean I would look at that in general and go, i'm
out.
I don't even need a PS4controller to tell me that
that's, that's wild And I I meanit's a tragedy, it's absolute
tragedy, because I all, all youcan hope for is that you know,
if, at that pressure, or Ishould say yeah, at that depth,
we were doing the science thismorning real quick, which?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
you and Kelly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, cause we were, you know, went.
but this is, you go back tometeorology, you had to.
and then for her oceanographyshe did physical oceanography,
which is like crazy math andscience, and oh, i should have
known you guys would have beenall over this, oh yeah.
Immediately went down and waslike okay, so what does that
actually mean?
What's the pressure at thatlevel?
So, super scientific nerdy,this is as much as I'll give you
is that it's super easy tocalculate pressure underwater
(02:53):
because, generally speaking,water is not compressible like
air.
Like air you can.
That's why you can squeeze airinto a tank and it can keep.
Like you know, pressure waterYou can't.
You can't squeeze it.
It is what it is, it's, it'sgot a certain density and you
can't change it.
So what that means is it's easyto calculate how much weight is
(03:15):
around you because of you.
It's kind of a weird concept,but you think about it as you go
deeper and deeper, there's morewater on top of you and that's
weight.
So it's literally that's thepressure, it's literally pushing
down on you.
So as you continue to go deeperand deeper, it's literally just
a curve on a line, or it's nota curve, it's just straight line
.
How much pressure is it?
And at that level, at thatdepth, titanic, it's 6,000
(03:38):
pounds per square inch aroundthat metal tube.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And that's literally what it is some metal or like
that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Or the pressure outside that you just walk
outside.
We use the, the terminology andatmosphere That's like the unit
one atmosphere at that levelIt's 480, 480 atmospheres of
pressure.
So it's 480 times The amount ofpressure versus just standing
outside on a normal day.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I'm not okay with it.
So, and there's and there's noway for them to open it from the
from the inside either, likethey were saying like okay, best
case scenario is like they'rejust lost and they're bobbing
around on the ocean surfacesomewhere.
Even if they were doing that,they're still running out of air
inside because they can't openit from the inside.
There's no way to do it.
They need somebody to unbolt itfrom the outside.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, that's terrible , that's terrible, That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I just can't it's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's that is, and I'm looking at my screen right
now shaking.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh, it's awful.
I just I can't even imagine,and, like all of these people,
to me it doesn't.
I mean, i don't know.
You see these like spaceexcursions and that seems like
it would probably be like thescariest thing ever, but when I
think about going underneath thewater that's 10 times scarier
to me.
Nope, No do you do you get intothe submarine going like, okay,
(04:59):
this might be it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know like I'm I'm sure, like anything that you've
ever, if you've ever even likea carnival ride, right, it's
just like something where we'llsay something more than a
carnival.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've you ever done.
Don't scare me with thecarnival.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm not going on carnival rides anymore after the
things that I've seen.
so, but have you ever doneanything I'm trying to think of
like something random that you'dsign a waiver for and you're
like, oh, you know, you kind oflike half joking, like, well,
this is safe, it's just theyjust have to make you sign a
waiver skydiving, bungee jumpingOh, did you do those?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I have not done.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh okay, i just talked to somebody.
No, i literally like checkingoff, like, oh yeah, skydiving,
bungee jumping, i was coming.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, no, i'm thinking of all the things that you would
sign a waiver for, i Don't know.
I talked to somebody last weekthat did the skydiving.
They said that it like changedtheir life And I was, like Good
thing it changed yours, cuz minestay in the same.
I am not doing that, prettysure.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Who you photograph Matt McEwen, taylor.
Did they?
that's yeah, i'm nearlypositive that they did skydiving
.
I'm like 99% sure they hearthis.
They're gonna below me nowagain.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Good for them.
I'm good on that.
I think I'm good It's, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
How about this?
would you rather skydive, orrather Go in a submarine?
you don't have to go the depthof Titanic, but just literally
get in one and go in a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I Don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm getting in the air.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm getting in the air, i'm not going underwater
perfectly telling.
That's Kelly and I have thisconversation.
She's like it's a it's She'sjust she can scuba dive, she
certified scuba diver, but aslike a kid, she would absolutely
go scuba diving at Ridiculousdepths versus skydive and for me
, being, and you, afraid of theocean, those deep levels, i
(06:45):
would absolutely take skydiving,no doubt.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, i just or neither.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'll take neither too .
If that's an option, i'm gonnago with that.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, and I was looking it up, i guess they've
had like successful excursionsgoing down there since 2021, so
this isn't the first time thatthey did it.
This is just the first timeit's gone missing, which is
really, really frightening.
I don't know, i just Thoughtsand prayers, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't it's, yeah, i , it is, no, it's, it's, it's
awful, like it's absolutelyawful.
I, i truly You, you will, asI've had read, as I'm just like
stumbling over my words here, ifanything, if it were there
actually was a crack in thatActual to you know, they
wouldn't even have known itwould have been milliseconds
because the pressure is sointense.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So to me that's like best case scenario.
It sounds terrible, but like Iwould rather that than have all
of my oxygen running out and noone can find us.
Yep I don't know anyway, what amorbid way to start, but I just
couldn't, i couldn't not talkto you about it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, though it's, it was one of my friends, tim,
sent it to yesterday to ourlittle group text, and I
immediately was like, oh god, no, no, that's didn't.
Didn't even realize it, didn'trealize that was a thing awful,
awful.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, we're taking a turn taking turn again
thoughts and prayers.
Okay, so today I want to talk toyou about what in trends.
So the premise of this entirepodcast is basically to have the
push to have our Clients andother people who are listening
not even just our clients thepush to capture really authentic
moments, and I want to go oversome trends with you and, in a
(08:26):
general sense, what trends mean.
You know basically What wethink as photographers about
what these trends are doing fora day.
Are they a waste of time?
Are they going to be somethingthat will turn timeless?
So, first things first.
I just want to talk to youabout, like your opinion on
trends in general, thetrendiness of Let's just say
(08:48):
we'll give an example, becausethis is a, this is a good one.
I even had pearls in my littlething, so pearl veils, for
example are a trend that'shappening right now.
Do we think that that's gonnaturn timeless or do we think
that people are gonna regretthat in the future, going I?
you know I probably didn't needto have that.
What do you think, not justspecifically about the pearl
(09:10):
veils, but about our clientsfollowing these trends and
hoping that it will staytimeless in their photos?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
totally depends on what it is, how loud it is,
meaning not just like actualvolume, but you know Actually,
how much of it does it take upthe photo?
Is it screaming at you?
Is it something so outlandishand the definition of outlandish
is totally dependent upon,potentially, the person.
But pearls on the veil, even ifit goes out of style, i don't
(09:44):
think that's going to besomething.
I'd look back and go, oh andI'm, it's coming for me not
wearing a veil.
Yeah, i Would go to guess,though It's, you know it's,
they're on a white dress,neutral colors.
I think that's really elegant.
I really don't think that wouldbe something that would stick
out to me, especially even asthe photographer.
I would not be worried aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I wouldn't be concerned.
And if a bride was concerned Iwould say yeah, if you really
want these, you know, go for it.
This in a photo and a black andwhite photo are gonna look
beautiful.
In a color photo they're gonnalook beautiful right.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What's like pearls themselves, when they were out
of style?
just the pearls on the veilmaybe, but the pearls that I've
to me?
pearls are Timeless, they'reclassic.
Yeah, so the trend of addingthem to into your hair, which I
did, and doing the, you know,the On the cathedral veil, i
don't think that that's evertechnically gonna go out of
style.
So that is a visual trend.
So when you think about trendsbeing activities, how do you
(10:41):
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Those are the ones that stand out to me.
Activities stand out becausethey just Let's just, i guess,
remove the photography portionof it.
Great example Wait, i pick itright off the bat is garter toss
.
Right, garter toss isdefinitely one that it was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Everyone did it everyone did it 20, 30 years ago
.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I would love to know how far back that started and
like when that started and why,to be completely honest, why it
took so long to start phasingout, because, yeah, it's a
little, a little cringe It's alittle it's really cringe, yeah,
yeah, and like it's Can belight-hearted and it could be a
little bit funny, but it and it,it is but it, but at the same
(11:26):
time it's not it's.
Yeah like we could just so again, even from our standpoint.
When I find out that peoplearen't doing that anymore, it's
like, yeah, let's, we're good Wecan be fun from that one.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's okay.
And the bouquet toss The boots.
I feel like most people that Iphotograph right now don't do
the bouquet toss anymore theydon't.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And even beyond the bouquet, toss the Cake cutting
used to be such a big thing andpeople still so.
I don't know about you, but Ifind that they'd still do the
cake cutting.
But it's almost labeled alwaysnow just like private, private
cutting Yep just like.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Just want the photos.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
just want the photos, they just want to do it, and
then that's it, and then, yeah,so Interesting isn't that weird.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, i think at one point we had what we either have
to dig it up from, like thevery beginning of when we
started podcasting.
But I remember we tried to doan episode Which, by example,
for example No, not for exampleI'm tongue-tied- by example, no
an example.
No, for example.
No, i'm not trying to say thatNo we, we tried to do a podcast
(12:28):
on wedding trends or not.
Wedding trends shit.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think we're looking at each other.
Talked a lot, yeah, no, this isso.
This is the first time thatwe're looking at each other on a
screen, so you can't verydistracting.
It's very different.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's very different and you know.
Apologies if we're like yeah.
Look away So yeah, um no, we didone on wedding traditions is
what we did.
We did one on weddingtraditions and where they came
from and all of that.
So we're either gonna have todig that up or we're gonna have
to redo a traditions one.
If it was like terrible qualityBecause it probably was I think
we recorded at my house.
But we did one on traditionsand then we discussed briefly
(13:08):
how the garter toss was tiedinto the idea that the father
was giving away his daughter,the bride, and a lot of that
also had to do it with, like youknow, almost like doing like a
trade at one point for your,your daughter as a bride, for
livestock and all of that.
So some of me almost wonders ifthe garter Tradition has
(13:30):
something to do with that.
Probably, it probably does likelike a sacred thing that you're
taking off of the brides thighto To change ownership or
something you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, there are so many I don't even know what the
word would be things that wetake for granted and just do,
and I always have thisconversation of like Do you know
why you do it?
Is there a?
I know that you think it's justbecause, so, even the, even the
concept, what was I talkingabout recently?
It was like There's a, so I'mI'm tanging a little bit, but
(14:05):
it'll, it'll come full circle,full circle here.
You're good.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
There is a book.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There's a bunch of them in Connecticut.
These are.
There was the same author whomade these books of like It's
like the history of the town.
I know you've.
You saw the cover.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You probably see yeah , I've definitely seen them.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, and they're like it's like a sepia color
almost on the cover and there'sa block island one that I had
got Kelly a few years back andshe was going through at the
other night because we had justgone to block Island and Inside
of it was a photo from I'm gonnasay it was the 1920s, might
have been the 1920s of people atthe beach on block Island and
(14:43):
they're wearing Full suits liketux with tails and hats and
everyone, and it looks soridiculous because they're
wearing up You know not muchshoe choices back then.
I'm assuming so to wear likecasual clothes, because that
wasn't a thing, people didn't goto the beach yet and like hang
out.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So I Can't even like.
You just go to the beach in asuit.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's just what you did, because going out and like
being in public, it was just.
You know, it's the class, itwas the sign of class.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, like the nudity, thing and that?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
well, that too, but it was just.
It was wild to see that photo,and it wasn't until The 50s that
there was basically like arevolution of like oh, you can
wear bathing suits because that.
But you couldn't even buy thoseclothes.
They didn't exist yet.
You couldn't in America, youcouldn't buy.
You know, go shopping for abathing suit.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It wasn't a thing, it's so strange, like how, i
guess how, how recently all ofthese things have become popular
, you know?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
what.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm saying like you think about, like bathing suits
They've been around forever butthey haven't they haven't.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You don't realize, like how, like in reality, like
in general, america in in itselfis not that old.
It's, it's really not.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So it's kind of why you think about that.
Yeah, what are you saying?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, nothing, i was just like thinking for a second.
Yeah, we just both just goes up, and So, going back to The
traditions of something like the, the garter toss, what are some
other ones that you, that you,i mean just the bouquet, okay,
(16:21):
okay, so like.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So, those are some traditions that I just don't
really understand.
I mean, i they're phasing out,which is awesome, and new trends
are coming in, which is what Iwanted to talk to you about
today, and I think I thinkeverybody's just trying to be as
creative as humanly possible totry to create these new trends,
and I know you sent me one nottoo long ago.
(16:42):
It was something about makingyour cake cutting like a photo
opportunity, where the bride andthe groom cut a cake and serve
each of their guests a piece ofthe cake Yes, and in.
In theory, that sounds reallygreat.
If you have 25 people at yourwedding, that sounds really nice
, you know, if you have 125people.
(17:04):
That sounds Terrible, and itsounds terrible for your
photographer to be totallyhonest.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It would just be it.
It can't be a last-minutedecision.
It would have to be somethingPlanned well ahead of time,
because I would I mean, i wouldhave to have Another
photographer there, like or youare literally sacrificing an
enormous amount of time anenormous.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It has to be like an hour of your time to have all of
your people come up.
Yes, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be wild because, also, going to guess,
cake cutting at that time It'sprobably dark or it's or your
inside or it's not good naturallight.
So it's not easy for us to justlike whip up around the corner
and be like, yeah, real quick,boom, boom, boom.
We got to make sure that thelighting is good once it's set,
even from an, even from a flashoff camera.
You know you should be good togo, but it still takes time to
(17:57):
set up and That would just befor me.
That would be a nightmare.
That would be just kind of aI'm.
Another trend on this realm wasthe which I have.
You and I went back and forthon this.
Last time we talked about itwas Running around the room in a
song and catching all thetables.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So I've done it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I've seen it well and I've seen what can happen when
it doesn't go well.
Yeah so there's, there's risksinvolved on both sides of that
for the, for the couple.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The risk is, you know , the picture is not gonna be
that great like unless you havea perspective, unless you start
the song out by saying everybody, get up at your table, stand
together in a group around yourtable, and the bride and the
groom are gonna come in themiddle.
Like leave some space, becauseif everybody's sitting at the
table, you have a round tableand everybody They're gonna be
(18:44):
like.
Some of the people in yourphotos are gonna be like Yeah
that's you know.
Their backs are to you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yep, and it would so from the Photography standpoint.
What do you got to do from that?
Well, that means you've got areally Close down your aperture
because you don't want people tobe weirdly out of focus because
it's probably gonna be a circletable And you're gonna have a
ring around it unless everyone'sin a perfect line.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And your lighting is different all around your venue,
so you have to keep just Overthe place.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So that was a you know one venue had done was a.
You know it had an upstairs andit downstairs and there's beams
in the way And there was a.
You know it was.
It was tricky, it waschallenging.
At the end of the day, goodwith their.
You know they're just sillyphotos and but that's what they
wanted.
They want just you know it was afun, fun photo, so it it.
The trend totally entirelydepends on Understanding what's
(19:33):
gonna happen, how your coupleexpects what the photo should
look like, and you makingexpectations clear of what that
will be.
But I have noticed that that,at least for me I don't know
about you I'm already seeingthat trend die down.
I'm already.
I haven't had that, i've onlyhad one wedding ever do it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I've only had one of my couples ever do it and It was
it was.
I'm not.
I'm not trying to complain, itwas fun.
Because they did like they did,like the six flag, like.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
As they went around the whole room.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's a fun thing to watch the bride in the groom do
it, but from a photographerstandpoint it's a nightmare
trying to figure out thelighting and all of the
different corners, and and thenif you Take a photo and they're
trying to get to everybody bythe end of the song and you're
like, wait, but this photo isactually kind of shit, are we
moving to the next one?
You know, thank you friend.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, the best ones that I've had doing that were
basically wide open ballroomswith a neutral color ceiling.
And I'm able to.
I don't.
I don't have a, you know, i'mnot gonna have a second shoot to
run around with a flash, i'mgonna just use my bounce and
we're.
And it was okay, it was good.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, the one that I ever did.
It was in a white tintedwedding, which is that works.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yep, totally fine.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, it's against the white.
The other thing, the other onewas The dollar dance.
Did you get, have you?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
ever done that, yet Never done it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's, it's only, it's only a nightmare, because, as
they so like, what people do is,they come up, they put a dollar
in the jar And I could becomplaining about a trend that's
totally dying down, because Ithink only two of my clients
have ever done it But the brideand the groom stand, or the
wedding couple Stand up on oneside, like both sides, and then
(21:18):
somebody comes up for a danceAnd you basically do like a spin
with the bride and a spin withthe groom and then you have
photos taken of you On the spinbut like if you're only doing
one spin and your photo comesout bad.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh yeah, you know, it's kind of like oh no, you
know.
Cuz like.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Then they get photos of some people but not all the
people, cuz I don't, i don'tdeliver photos of people.
That are just bad.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just I can't you know it's yeah Well, meaning
like in the shot itself, likeit's just not, it doesn't look
great, yeah well like, if, iflike, for example, if I take two
shots and in both of them theperson is blinking.
What, yeah, what am I supposedto do there?
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
so like, okay, you paid a dollar to have this
dollar dance, but you don'ttechnically get your photo
because it was only one quickspin, it's just.
It's those things that It seemslike a huge Time suck I don't
want to say like a time waster,but it's a huge time suck for
Photos that aren't really gonnacome out that good, like the
(22:19):
table photos.
It's like, do you really wantto run around and do that, or
would you rather just like enjoyand see them?
on the dance floor or stuff likethat.
So I have a list of Of someWedding trends that are
happening right now and I justgo through it.
I want to hear it, Okay sowe've got a phone guest book.
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I'm that's a freaking love that, because it's cute,
you can do it on the side, it's.
you know, it's really nice tobe able to hear these like
little custom messages frompeople.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I think that's awesome.
Yeah, I love that trend.
I don't think it's gonna die.
I.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Have you know it's, it's hit or miss.
I've seen that only in a few,but it's.
but I don't think it's like aYeah, let's put it this way,
it's, even if it was a dyingtrend.
I think we need like a seal ofapproval, something here that
that's a, that's a good trend,that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, yes, okay, we agree on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right.
So then we've got a microbouquets, basically a little
tiny.
I'm good, i'm honestly I don'tknow if the floral industry will
hate me for this I love likedainty florals, like I love-.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't think I hate you for that.
I think it's totally dependentupon each person.
So what they're gonna make isI'm sure that to get it to look
good, even dainty is still a.
that's still a talent to getthat perfect, so Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, I just think dainty means less florals, So
it's kind of like you know, Idon't want nobody in the floral
industry.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
come at me because I had dainty florals at my wedding
.
Send them to me.
I love them.
I love them.
Send all the Send yourpitchforks to Chris.
That's fine, okay, so microbouquets.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're saying yes.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh yeah, Okay, Me too .
We have okay this one Day ofContent Creation, So this is
basically yeah.
So this is basically.
I think you had somebody dothis with you at a wedding not
too long ago.
Somebody was following youaround with a phone to create
content Create-.
Yes, it was a wedding.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, you are Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So I think it.
so this one once againexpectations.
So if it is a couple who iscompletely okay with that and
maybe not only okay with it, butmaybe it feels like a paparazzi
style, like this is my big day,like yeah, get the people here
record them, this is awesome.
But there are couples that aregoing to be the complete
(24:39):
opposite of that and are private, who don't want that at all.
So it you can't just, as aphotographer, hire someone for
behind the scenes if that is notokay with your couple.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So- Is that how it happened?
Is your?
you had to hire the contentcreator.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think there's multiple ways to go about it,
but I know one of them is thephotographer can actually hire
the content creator for videobehind the scenes of them
working.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh, so I'm looking at this like the bride and the
groom or the wedding couple.
are the content creators likefor a job?
That's what I was thinking islike they hire their own content
creator to not be working withthe photographer, necessarily, i
didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, i have not personally had to.
I have not seen that.
I have not seen a bride and agroom hire a content creator,
because the content creators, inmy mind, would be the
photographer and thevideographer.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's what I would think, but we don't also get
like.
We get behind the scenes butit's not, you know, when we're
taking photos of the dress beingbustled, for example we're not
also taking a video of thepeople bustling the dress.
We're taking the photos but wedon't necessarily have the video
to be able, like when we'retaking photos, basically, we
can't take the video as well.
(25:56):
So if somebody wanted thecontent creation and like let's
say that the bride was like acontent creator for her own
business and she decided, like Iwant somebody to follow us
around all day with, you know,an iPhone, just to create that
and then send me all of thefootage, I think it's good, like
I'm giving this like a onethumbs up and a one thumbs down
(26:19):
only because I feel like it's soeasy to forget what you're
there for, kind of, and like getcaught up in, like well, i'm
working today Because, like, ifyou're taking, if you are a
content creator and you'reconstantly taking the behind the
scenes, or you have somebody orjust one of your friends taking
the behind the scenes andthey're like, oh, do that again.
(26:40):
And then it doesn't really giveyou time with your photographer
or your real videographer.
And now you feel to me, if Iwas a bride who was a content
creator and I hired somebody todo that.
I would feel like I'm workingall day.
Sure, that's yeah, absolutely,but having a friend that just
kind of like takes videos anddoes things like on their own
and whatever.
like you get what you get andyou don't get upset.
(27:01):
And you know you could kind ofsay like do you mind?
just like videoing some behindthe scenes, but if you're
literally doing it for creatingcontent for your job, that is
where I'm like no, that's athumbs down, like I don't think
that that's entirely necessary.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I would agree 100% on this, and I know that's so
boring for a podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I should be here to be eating this out here at both
sides.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I do.
I think the we're going to yeah, thumbs up.
This is terrible.
The camera thumbs up, thumbsdown, both.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh, oh, for both reasons.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Just for the sole purpose of this podcast, which
is about creating realauthenticity and everything is
BS.
Yeah, we don't live in the sideof you know, complete What's
the word like?
fabricated, fabricated looks ofa wedding day.
You know you want to make itspecial, make it nice, but check
off the reasons why you'redoing it.
So we do work and I absolutelydo lean into the the realism
(27:55):
here of why you're there foryour right, because it's your
wedding day with your partner.
So yeah, i once again.
Unfortunately, it depends.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, thumbs down,
thumb in the middle.
So I'm not really going to gotoo much into like the, i guess,
like the styles of like weddingday, like I, i see that some
trends are like you know, theembroidered veils.
I think that's really cool, imean, i think whatever you
choose for your look, or likebows right now are apparently a
trend.
But like, when have we ever nothad bows?
(28:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
yeah, bows have just always come in and out.
So, it's not more, maybe it's,i guess it's.
we consider bow like bootlegcut jeans like right, they were
popular, and then they kind ofcome back, but they'll always
come back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It'll always come back.
We'll never not have a bowsomewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yep, what do you think about like having a second
dress to change into for thereception?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Or like a second look .
Speaker 1 (28:53):
In general, I want to be like very inclusive, like
not just for the bride.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, Oh no, I'm all about that.
That's selfishly, because I'm aphotographer and I'm like, oh
different, You know here's yeah.
I think about it from like thealbum perspective too, because
when they, they that's you know,a wedding album.
I'm all about chronologicalorder, making it look good like
a story, and having that secondpiece to change into like just
(29:18):
it, just like helps your brainvisualize the next step of the
story instead of.
So sometimes I feel like thatway I don't know how you deliver
your photos.
When I deliver photos, you knowI'm breaking it up into the
sections of the day.
Yep, Me too, and sometimes thereception section is just so
long and I don't know how tobreak that up, sometimes other
than like before cake, aftercake, like I don't know how I
(29:39):
would label that, but that wouldbe a great way to do it.
It just like mentally.
For me that would separate thedifferent parts of the night.
Yeah, it's just like you know,here's formal portion of
reception and then here's likeextra fun part.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that would be cool, so what.
I usually do to break up thereception is, if we have an
opportunity to go out for sunsetportraits, i will do the first
half of the reception and thenI'll do the sunset portraits.
So I have like portraits too,and then the second half of the
reception that'll be broken up.
But if they don't have sunsetportraits then it's all just
kind of one big fun time.
(30:13):
But, I think and this isunpopular because of like the
money that goes into it.
But I've seen so many horrorstories about dresses either
getting completely, and I'mtalking like like listen, my
dress was ruined at the end ofthe night, i was okay with it.
I tell all my brides I'm like,listen, if you're going to be
one of those brides, it's goingto get bent out of shape.
(30:34):
If you step on the back of yourdress and it has a grass to the
back of your dress, it has agrass stain.
Like I'm not for you, because Ijust feel like my brides are so
adventurous, like they justwant to like walk around and
have a good time.
If your dress is not dirty atthe end of the night, you didn't
do your night right.
But that also comes with like alittle like I've seen brides
and grooms and wedding partieson like docks that go down, and
(30:59):
so for me, i think havingsomething to change into no
matter what is a really goodidea.
Yeah, You know what I'm saying,like just in case something
could happen, and it doesn'thave to be another complete
wedding gown.
but to not have a backup is alittle risky.
You know what I'm saying, causeanything could happen, anything
.
Do you agree or no?
(31:21):
I do agree.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
To be completely honest, i just was thinking back
on what I said and I saidbootleg cut jeans.
Is that what they're called?
They're not bootleg, are they?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I think they're.
They're just bootcut.
I think they're just bootcut.
Yeah, bootleg, bootleg, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I said so I was literally thinking about that.
I was like I'm pretty sure it'snot bootleg, but that's what I
said.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So in your brain I'm talking and you're like bootleg.
Yeah, if you can hear mythoughts you just gave me that
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I was like bootleg bootleg?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
No, definitely not bootleg.
I have to address this.
I have to address it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I absolutely two thumbs up, like, if you want my
answer on this, two thumbs up,give yourself an outfit to
change into, make it fun, makeit still formal, ish, and you're
probably going to be way morecomfortable in it.
Specifically for, like awedding gown, like what some
brides want to wear theirwedding gown all night.
Because it's the wedding gownand you went to, you're going to
wear it just like that again.
Yeah, but it's also sometimesreally heavy and just not easy
(32:19):
to move around and on the dancefloor, and especially if you
want to get out and dance.
The last wedding I was just at,the bride changed into her
second dress and it was this,you know, still beautiful,
gorgeous thing that you couldeasily dance with though way
easier.
And there's something about ittoo, because when she came out
in her new dress, all of asudden talk of the town again.
Oh my God, have you seen her?
Have you seen what she'swearing?
(32:39):
Like, and everyone gets likefor some reason like oh my God,
yeah, Just like the dancer likegets more energized again
because she's like Oh, she'sready, let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So love that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Um, let's see.
So that's a resounding yes forboth of us, which is good.
Then we have let's see, let'ssee Sorry, i'm like watching.
Okay, many reception dresses.
Yeah, we already said yes forthat.
(33:08):
Small bouquets, yep.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I got one.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh, tell me.
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