March 25, 2025 • 27 mins
🎧 Episode 159: BOLD by Design with Leigh Burgess (Part 2)
In this continuation of our conversation with Leigh Burgess, founder of the Bold Women's Community and bestselling author of "Be BOLD Today," we dive deeper into redefining boldness, breaking free from perfectionism, and setting healthy boundaries. Leigh shares practical strategies for women to step into their authentic power while maintaining balance in both personal and professional life.
We explore:
- How to redefine boldness in a way that feels authentic rather than aggressive
- The five myths of bold, including the misconception that boldness must be "big and loud"
- Breaking the cycle of perfectionism and its impact on productivity
- The value of intentional calendar management and meeting effectiveness
- Practical boundary-setting techniques for both work and personal life
- The role of community in supporting bold moves and authentic leadership
- Current challenges and opportunities in women's leadership
🔑 Key takeaways:
- True boldness is often found in quiet, personal moments rather than social media-worthy actions
- Productivity should be measured by alignment with your vision, not by how busy you are
- The "curse of the competent" - high performers often receive more responsibilities without additional resources
- Effective boundary setting begins with recognizing your own role in creating blurred boundaries
- Women still struggle with apologizing for ambition and downplaying accomplishments
- Setting boundaries is not a passive act - it requires intention and consistent reinforcement
- Believing in yourself is the foundation for any meaningful change or bold action
💡 Quotes to remember: "The boldest moments really for me, and a lot of the women, are quiet ones... how they're talking to themselves or how they're talking themselves out of something." - Leigh Burgess
"I used to be like, 'I'm in 12 hours of back-to-back meetings' and I thought that was something cool to say... but wow, what a cost." - Leigh Burgess
"You cannot do one thing that doesn't affect the other. A lot of women think, 'I'm doing this over here, but it's not going to affect my personal life'... they absolutely are linked." - Leigh Burgess
"I used to call that the curse of the competent, meaning, like, the better you do, the more you can do, the more you get." - Leigh Burgess
"We still need to get better at sharing our wins. Don't apologize for being ambitious." - Leigh Burgess
"You are the one that has to believe in you before anyone else... ultimately that is what should be driving your action, is your belief of what is possible." - Leigh Burgess
🌟 Featured Insights:
- How to use the Vision Builder tool to clarify goals and identify first steps
- Practical strategies for reclaiming your calendar and setting work boundaries
- Why perfectionism often masquerades as productivity
- The importance of celebrating wins without minimizing or apologizing
- How to advocate for yourself when wor
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Welcome back to part two of Boldby Design with my guest Leigh
Burgess.
In this episode, we talk abouthow to refine boldness in a way
that feels authentic rather thanaggressive.
The five myths of bold,including the misconception that
boldness must be big and loud,breaking the cycle of
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perfectionism and its impact onproductivity, and practical
boundary-setting techniques forboth work and your personal life
.
If you haven't yet, go back andlisten to part one from last
week.
Okay, let's go ahead and hopinto part two.
Concept of bold can be reallyintimidating, right?
Sometimes people areconditioned to really play it
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small or to play safe, and sothey kind of stay in this little
box.
How do you help redefineboldness?
in a way that feels authenticright Versus like aggressive.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, exactly, it's kind of like someone telling you
you have to do TikTok andyou're like I'm not dancing, no,
not happening.
Or you need to do more reelsand you need to wear roller
skates and all this other jazz.
Like no, I think I just need tobe me.
But I think I first had tofigure out who the heck me is
right.
So when I came out of thecorporate setting I had been in
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there so long and the burnoutand I needed to kind of do that
reset so I could look in themirror and go.
This is what I'm about andthat's the part that takes a
little bit of time, like thevisioning and understanding your
values and the alignment andwhat you need right.
Once you get that kind of honedin, then you really start to go
.
But I think just realizing thatbold can be.
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You know, in the book I talkabout the five myths of bold and
one of the myths is that it'sbig and loud and it's a social
media moment and sure, we see alot of those.
But the boldest moments reallyfor me and a lot of the women
are quiet ones.
You know, in a small group oreven with themselves, how
they're talking to themselves orhow they're talking themselves
out of something as well, and Ithink that's just really, really
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important for women to realizethat it's personal.
Your definition is differentthan mine.
Although all of them and I'vecollected more than you know,
250, probably almost 300 now Allof them have one thing in
common, and that it's a choiceFor you to be bold.
You take the step.
I can't make someone bold orgive someone confidence or give
them clarity.
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I can create the environment, Ican give them tools and I can
connect them with other people,but they do the work, and so I
think that's the one thing.
I think I just want people torealize that being bold isn't
big and loud, and one of theother myths is that it's a solo
act, and it isn't.
I think we have communities, wehave our relationships and we
have the people that support usand cheer us on and also
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challenge us, and we need bothof those.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I'd love to talk about the relationship between
perfectionism versusproductivity.
Can you share some practicalstrategies for women who have
been trapped in that likeperfectionism or perfectionist
cycle?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I used to not think I was a perfectionist,
because I thought that would bevery imperfect.
Literally, that's what I usedto think and I was just like,
wow, that's like the definitionof it.
So yeah, so since we talked, Ithink some things I continue to
learn about myself.
You know some people pleasingin there some perfectionism and
in, as an entrepreneur, impostersyndrome.
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I never felt it in thecorporate setting, but
absolutely I felt it out hereand it's something that you know
.
People say, oh, doesn't exist,and you've heard Oprah say she
never even thought about it.
Well, I mean, most of us haveit.
So I think you know thedifference between being a
perfectionist and actuallygetting stuff done and being
productive comes down to how youhave set your priorities
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connected to what your vision is.
So you could have a hundredthings on your list a day easily
and be very, very busy, but didyou move the needle on what you
set out in your vision?
So if your vision is to helpwomen see the power of
possibility which great vision Iwould say it's very vague and
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it's not like.
What does that mean?
So you know, I want women tohave the tools to create the
first steps towards the bestlife and the life they're meant
to live.
Okay, that's better.
So, really thinking about howdid my day, how did I work
towards that?
And obviously as a businessowner and someone who's growing
the business and learning alongthe way.
Like I, also have businessgoals and things I want to
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accomplish, and I think it'sjust really important for us not
to think of our list, as youknow to do, but in the sense of
with regard to our, our valuesand our vision.
How are we moving the needleson that?
I think when I first startedoff, it was very, very intense
in the sense of my schedule andwhat I was doing and getting my
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initial clients, which Ihonestly think is just the name
of the game.
And you know, sometimes peoplegive hustle.
You know a bad rap, but I thinkit's all about how you define
hustle.
You know hustle at the cost ofyour health, absolutely.
You know, throw that out.
But you know, are you usingyour time effectively?
I mean, we just had a reallygood conversation inside the
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collective around.
You know the Eisenhower matrix,which we've all heard of.
You know what's high priority,low priority.
How are you spending your time?
How are you using it andreclaiming our time?
Because we may be doing thingsto kind of reset, like scroll,
or we may be back to back.
You know setting up ourmeetings and, again, we've all
heard these things.
This isn't rocket science, butwhat happens is we get in a
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habit of keeping those thingsgoing and not doing anything to
break the cycle.
So it comes to productivity and,like anyone listening, if
there's something in their lifethat feels heavy or too much or
something's got to give, mostlikely that's a space that you
need to really dig into and dosome introspection and look back
and look ahead of like whatcould be different.
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You know, are you blocking yourcalendar but still giving it
away to everybody else?
Well, you're treating every.
You know you're treatingyourself in a way that you know
potentially is also helpingothers figure out how they
should treat you right.
So if your time isn't important, they might not think that
either.
Based on you modeling that andI think, productivity sometimes,
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you know, I don't know if Ibragged about it, but I used to
be like I'm in 12 hours ofback-to-back meetings and I
thought that was something coolto say.
Maybe I don't know Like itsounds terrible now, but I used
to say that all the time and itwas real.
But wow, what a cost.
I think you had an incrediblegrind too like of your meetings
and travel and things that youwere doing before and I don't
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know.
At times I felt like, wow, Ican do this, like I'm proud of
myself for being almost likethis tough and this resilient,
and I'm making all thedifference at my workplace.
But it was, you know, in thebackground, it was at a cost of
me getting to that place, ofreally big time burnout.
So I think, when it comes toperfectionism and productivity
is first realize the why of whyyou're doing something, and does
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it connect back to the overallvision of what you're trying to
accomplish in your life, andthat's personal and professional
, because you cannot do onething that doesn't affect the
other.
And I think a lot of womenthink, oh, I'm doing this over
here but it's not going toaffect my personal life, or I'm
doing this in my personal lifeand it's not going to affect my
professional life, and theyabsolutely are linked.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And when we get caught up in those type of
schedules or those type ofmeetings or 12 hour days that
are just filled with that typeof stuff, we start to normalize
it right, like it starts tobecome a normal thing for us.
And so I felt the same way,like this is just life, this is
just my day to day.
I have calls from whatever 7amto sometimes 7pm, meetings,
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travel, all of these things.
And I think that is even moreso as I have recently stepped
back into a corporate role andin leading a company as the CEO.
We're just building theconstructs of our team, and so
I'm trying to be again reallyintentional about hey, when we
have our one-to-ones, you know,or when we have these meetings,
are we having?
(09:54):
Like, what are these are?
For the sake of what right?
So let's not hold everyonetogether, everyone's time,
because oftentimes it's supereasy to throw a meeting on the
calendar, expect all thesepeople to show up, and it's
something that maybe you couldhave gone back and forth with
via email or with one person ora couple of people.
And so I heard somethinginteresting about the value of
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people's time, and there is it'sin the app store.
There is an app and it's likesalary calculator or something
like that.
Yeah, I'll put it in the shownotes, but you can literally put
this up and display it onmeetings and you've got to do a
little bit of pre-work.
So let's say we have fiveexecutives and we're taking all
five of those executives andwe're having an hour-long
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meeting.
Well, it calculates theirhourly rate and so up on the
clock it actually displays everyminute that goes by how much
it's actually costing you.
And I thought that was brilliant, because sometimes we just get
used to throwing these meetingson the calendar, because that's
what we've always done, and soI'm trying to work with my team
on really being intentionalabout the value of our time, and
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not only our own, but the valueof everyone else's time who's
expected to show up to a lot ofthese meetings.
So I think for us to get alittle introspective and
understand the true value of ourtime and the value of others'
time like being considerate tothat as well.
I think you're much moreconstructive when you come
together and you really want tomake sure there's action
happening or somethingmeaningful occurring.
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You know, if you're going toutilize that expense of
everybody's hour, then you haveto use it really, really well,
and I thought that was a reallyfascinating spin on how to think
about meetings.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, I used to always say like I wonder how
much that meeting costs becauseof all the people that were in
the room, right, and I love thatyou can now put that.
You know, for the most part youcan put a dollar sign on it.
I think, then, also one of thethings that I've definitely
improved since, kind of my.
I think also it connected tosome adrenaline right, of just
making it through that gauntletof a day of 12 hours.
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But I think what I've done isreally carved time, which takes
time, right, it doesn't happenovernight.
I used to do things like acalendar refresh where I cleared
all meetings quarterly so thatonly the ones that really were
adding value actually came backon to the calendar, because I
was doing some things with mydirect reports, thinking that
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again, part of the peoplepleaser in me, I want to give
them an hour of my time so theyknow I value them.
But did they need it?
Did they want it?
Did I need it?
Did I want it, you know?
So I think that was one thing Idid.
The majority of my career isalways give my one-to-ones an
hour, which that's definitelynot necessary, I don't think,
unless there's a real challenge,I think, in your organization,
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for you know your staff, but Ithink asking them was important
and then, as well as doing theclear, the calendar quarterly of
taking off the things that justbecame habit to have and they
really, you know, were nothelpful to moving the needle on
our goals.
Communication can happen in somany ways now, whether it's, you
know, via messaging or Slack oremail updates or all these
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wonderful project managementtools.
I've just discovered Loop,which is part of Microsoft, and
you know just that's somethingwe all have.
We don't have to buy anotherthing, and so I think, just
figuring out the tools that wecan use to like check in on
progress and track things, butthen making the meetings truly
about, is there a problem?
Do we need insight?
(13:17):
Is there something that'screated, a change or something
we need to know about?
I think, truly using them asaction oriented items, versus
like updates and go around thetable type of moments.
I'm really hoping that you knowthat that's changing, and I
think it has, but it's slow inthe going, I think.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, you've created several unique frameworks around
personal development.
We talked about the boldframework a bit earlier.
Can you think of something thatcould be an actionable takeaway
for someone to actually likeyou know a favorite exercise of
yours to start and create action?
Like, maybe it's just babysteps, Maybe it's somebody
really getting to that conciseway of thinking to say, hey,
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this is the first step.
But what would be your guidanceon a couple of takeaways for
someone to really actually takethis idea or this thing that
they wanted to do and put itinto action?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, and I'm happy to share this with you.
It's like you can put it in theshow notes or whatever.
So I have something called theVision Builder and basically it
really sets forth kind of whatis your vision?
It asks some key questionsaround, kind of why, the why of
what you want to do and how youwant to do it and how you'll
feel, and then it's like what isthe first step and then what
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has been holding you back?
It's kind of a simple kind ofwalkthrough of what we've been
talking to, with a little bitmore meat around the questioning
for you of taking that visionand then taking action.
Right.
So we all may have like an ideaof what we want to achieve in
our career.
And to be happy doesn't mean youhave to leave the career you're
in.
It just might be a tuning ortweaking or a boundary setting
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that you need to set up or aconversation you need to have.
You know, yesterday in thecollective someone was talking
about they had more goals thisyear than they did last year and
they didn't even know they weregetting all these additional
goals and I said, well, I usedto call that the curse of the
competent, meaning like thebetter you do, the more you can
do, the more you get.
But you need to kind of havethat timeout moment and that
(15:11):
sometimes awkward tense,whatever, however you like
played it up conversation withyour, with your boss around.
Like you know, I'm reallyhonored that you've given me
seven goals versus three.
But I need your help inprioritizing because, as you
know, these are a lot of thingsthat I have to do and my time is
just not able to touch on allof them.
But we could start and we couldbreak them down by quarter.
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What do you think?
Here's what I'm doing andeasier said than done, of course
, depending on who you'reworking with.
But advocating for yourself isone of the things I learned
early on in my life that no oneelse is going to do, and the
more you do it, the better youget at it, and so I think that's
just really important forpeople to realize.
To start, you have to reallyknow what your vision is for
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yourself, for your health, foryour wellness, your mindset and
your career, because they're allinterconnected in some form or
fashion.
So that's a great exercise tostart off and it asks just a few
prompts, there's some fillablesand then I ultimately, I have a
bold lib like a mad lib that itflows into.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'd love to be able to share that with the listeners
.
You also talk about theimportance.
It's a perfect segue, becauseyou talk about the importance of
setting boundaries, and I thinkthat was a perfect example of
kind of this pushback to say,okay, I love that you've created
all these goals for me.
However, you know, I have to beable to so honored.
Yeah, so honored.
(16:33):
I love that, Right.
I'm so honored that you createdseven instead of three, that
you over doubled it.
However, in best use of my time, right, we can only work on so
many things effectively andefficiently at once.
What are some some productiveways for women to be able to
navigate those boundaries?
And you talked a little bitabout it, but maybe that's at
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work, maybe it's at home, buthow does one really start to
institute?
Maybe people have not.
They've had a blurred sense ofboundary prior to that.
How would you urge people toreally set it a little stronger?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I think what's important is you realize that
you most likely play a role init in some shape or form.
And so when I say ownership inthe bold framework, it truly is
about what do you own in thisfeeling of overwhelm, or it's
got to give or something's toomuch.
Did you give away your calendar?
I'll use me as an example.
Did you set up that meeting?
(17:27):
Did you override your assistantwho protected your time for you
?
I mean, I've done it all, likeI had things in place that you
know were, you know fail-safesof like yeah, that couldn't
happen.
So I think, first, starting offof you know what do I own in it
?
Did I do it 10 times?
And now they think that's theway that it's always done?
Or, you know, have you set theprecedent?
So start there, just with alittle bit of introspection.
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And then I think, thinking likewhat can I do to start healing
it back to where I want it to be?
It's the same thing as anexample of a habit you have,
like, let's say, you're stayingup really late now.
Like you had a really solidbedtime of 10 and now it went to
11, now it's 12 and now you'reup to a one and you're working
later.
So you've kind of, you know,flexed your day.
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Now you're up to a one andyou're working later.
So you've kind of, you know,flexed your day.
Well, you can't usually go fromI'm going to bed at 1am, I'm
going back to 10.
It's kind of like, you know,step by step working back toward
that goal.
Same thing when it comes toboundaries at work.
You know, with regard to, maybe, access to you, or you know,
instead of monthly team meeting,maybe you just do an office
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hour, so the sense of that.
Or instead of weeklyone-to-ones, like me, you do a
clearing of the calendar and youset them back for once a month,
for example.
You know, like, you allowaccess to you all weekend long
on your cell I've done that.
Or you've given your cell phoneto everybody and I've done that
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.
And so, like, what can you doto move that back?
But still, you know, be therefor them or create opportunities
for them to have a support.
But you need that space foryourself and your family.
And you know, renewal, and Ithink, again, thinking about the
first step, to kind of put thatboundary in place or to
actually move back from yourextension back to where you want
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it to be Looking at thelandscape of women's leadership
today.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
what gives you hope and what do you think still
needs attention?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think what gives me hope is that, you know, when I
see the community that I'm inand the communities coming
together, I do have hope that wetruly do want one another to
succeed and we're open tosharing and putting ourselves
out there about our experiences.
So I have a lot of hope aroundauthenticity and, you know,
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being able to be yourself andshow up as you are.
So there's a lot of hope there.
I think I lost that for a whilein the corporate setting, where
I felt like I needed to look acertain way, do a certain thing,
say a certain thing, and youknow, I would say predominantly
aligned with who I am.
But I think a lot of the timesit wouldn't be maybe how I would
do it or how I would show up.
Lot of the times it wouldn't bemaybe how I would do it or how
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I would show up.
You know, did I really need tohave a suit on with high heels
and do the job, or could I have,you know, been in, you know,
something a little lighter?
You know I'm not talking aboutyoga pants and a hoodie,
although I do do some reallygood work in my yoga pants and a
hoodie at home when I'm gettingcreative, you know, like that's
just a simple example that Ithink a lot of people could
relate to.
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I think things that still needwork is I still find and I don't
know if you feel this too whena woman is ambitious or puts her
bold goal out there, they canget criticized or feel like they
have to apologize for theiraccomplishments or oh, I'm just
doing this.
I would just want you to seethis because and there you know,
there's some asterisks aroundtheir win or their
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accomplishment.
We need to get better atsharing our wins and, as women,
we need to support women andencourage them to do that.
And don't apologize for beingambitious.
I just think I get kind offired up about that when I see
it out there or when I findmyself doing it, like I did it
yesterday.
I was like you know, this is mypress page, but I only did this
because I'm like what?
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Like I work really hard to makethat happen, and the reason
that I do press is I want tospread the message as far and
wide as I can about possibility.
So there's intention in it, itisn't just a boasting or
bragging Like there's intentionin the action, and so I just
want women to feel that they cando that.
I would love for just even thelisteners today, men or women,
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to just reach out to someone whothey see is really rocking it.
Because most likely, if you seesomeone and I've heard people
say to me, you're really killingit, you're really rocking it
there's like some moments oftears in the background.
There's like moments of like amI doing the right thing?
So even just like coming up tothem and going, you are just
really doing a lot of things.
(21:55):
So well, right now I'm soexcited, inspired by you, just
checking in like are you takingcare of yourself?
You know, it's a different wayof saying you're killing it
right or you're rocking it, andit's kind of that human part of
it.
I think just being able to dothat, I think it would be
something that I think could bean improvement.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Those are the things that oftentimes, after somebody
has had a treacherous week ormonth or months, and someone
says that it fills their cup up,it reinstills them with hope
and their vision and like I cando this.
Okay, I've got this.
And oftentimes those thingscome like right on the edge of
you feeling like what in theworld am I doing?
(22:34):
Yeah, can I do this anymore?
Yeah, can I do this?
Am I?
Am I?
Am I?
Fill in the blank?
Right?
Am I good enough?
Am I whatever?
Like, we all battle thosethoughts and we battle the
valleys, and sometimes it'salone, and so I love that, to be
able to vocalize that and sharewhat you're seeing of greatness
in someone else, because thatmay be really, really a time
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that they desperately need tohear it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, because it's not easy.
You know, if you see someonereally rocking it, there's a lot
behind it and probably somethings that they've given up or
things that they've gone through.
And, like you said, themajority of the time they're
doing it alone or they're doingit, you know, without a lot of
people knowing.
And that's why I say a lot ofbold moments happen in the quiet
spaces and on that continuum,because it's in those moments
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that you dig in and you haveresilience and you have grit and
you believe in yourself and yousay I will figure it out.
I don't have the answer today,but I'm going to keep trying and
I'm going to figure it out.
So I think those things arehappening daily and we just
don't see it, or maybe we don'ttake the time to kind of go to
the next level of what we see.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
As we wrap up, I always love to ask this question
.
I think your insight probablyeven a couple of years ago, and
then fast forward to today,probably are very different.
But if it were your last day onearth and of all you've been
able to learn, you could onlyimpart one piece of wisdom with
the world.
What would that be?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So I remember I paused on this the first time
you asked me.
So I think, for me, the onething I would say is just to
believe in yourself, and what Imean by that and we've heard it
before and it sounds like asimple thing, but you are the
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one that has to believe in youbefore anyone else.
You know, I can't believe inyou for you to take the step or
to take the job, or to go backto school or to get that degree
or to say no, I'm not going todo that.
You just have to believe in youbecause, ultimately, that is
what should be driving youraction, is your belief of what
is possible.
Mine would be believe inyourself.
I think last time it might havebeen give yourself a break.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'll have to listen back to that to see where this
is going, and it's different inthe different seasons that we're
in, and that's the beauty of it.
There's been several years oflived experience and lots of you
believing in yourself to beable to move, this kind of
vision that you've had foremboldening others with the
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world, and so I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, because ultimately, you're accountable
for you and that's the onlyperson you can truly be
accountable for.
You can't do it for somebodyelse.
So why not use that really tohelp you move forward through
your belief of what's possibleand do the work?
I mean, it isn't, it's not apassive thing to be bold.
Yeah, you got to show up.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, you got to show up.
Well, Lee, I will puteverything in the show notes,
but would love for you to share.
Where can people find you?
Pick up a copy of the book,learn more about all the
offering that you have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, best place is the website leighburgesscom.
There's a space for the bookand the offerings and the things
that I do, and you can keep intouch through our newsletter
from there as well.
So, yeah, check us out at thewebsite, and the book is
everywhere.
Books are sold.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Very good.
Well, thank you so much forjust fully showing up, willing
to share your wisdom andinsights with the listeners.
I think people are going totake a lot out of this, more so
because of the last couple ofyears and all you've been doing
to impact other women around youthroughout the community.
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
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Welcome back to part two of Boldby Design with my guest Leigh
Burgess.
In this episode, we talk abouthow to refine boldness in a way
that feels authentic rather thanaggressive.
The five myths of bold,including the misconception that
boldness must be big and loud,breaking the cycle of
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perfectionism and its impact onproductivity, and practical
boundary-setting techniques forboth work and your personal life
.
If you haven't yet, go back andlisten to part one from last
week.
Okay, let's go ahead and hopinto part two.
Concept of bold can be reallyintimidating, right?
Sometimes people areconditioned to really play it
(02:38):
small or to play safe, and sothey kind of stay in this little
box.
How do you help redefineboldness?
in a way that feels authenticright Versus like aggressive.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, exactly, it's kind of like someone telling you
you have to do TikTok andyou're like I'm not dancing, no,
not happening.
Or you need to do more reelsand you need to wear roller
skates and all this other jazz.
Like no, I think I just need tobe me.
But I think I first had tofigure out who the heck me is
right.
So when I came out of thecorporate setting I had been in
(03:11):
there so long and the burnoutand I needed to kind of do that
reset so I could look in themirror and go.
This is what I'm about andthat's the part that takes a
little bit of time, like thevisioning and understanding your
values and the alignment andwhat you need right.
Once you get that kind of honedin, then you really start to go
.
But I think just realizing thatbold can be.
(03:31):
You know, in the book I talkabout the five myths of bold and
one of the myths is that it'sbig and loud and it's a social
media moment and sure, we see alot of those.
But the boldest moments reallyfor me and a lot of the women
are quiet ones.
You know, in a small group oreven with themselves, how
they're talking to themselves orhow they're talking themselves
out of something as well, and Ithink that's just really, really
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important for women to realizethat it's personal.
Your definition is differentthan mine.
Although all of them and I'vecollected more than you know,
250, probably almost 300 now Allof them have one thing in
common, and that it's a choiceFor you to be bold.
You take the step.
I can't make someone bold orgive someone confidence or give
them clarity.
(04:13):
I can create the environment, Ican give them tools and I can
connect them with other people,but they do the work, and so I
think that's the one thing.
I think I just want people torealize that being bold isn't
big and loud, and one of theother myths is that it's a solo
act, and it isn't.
I think we have communities, wehave our relationships and we
have the people that support usand cheer us on and also
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challenge us, and we need bothof those.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I'd love to talk about the relationship between
perfectionism versusproductivity.
Can you share some practicalstrategies for women who have
been trapped in that likeperfectionism or perfectionist
cycle?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I used to not think I was a perfectionist,
because I thought that would bevery imperfect.
Literally, that's what I usedto think and I was just like,
wow, that's like the definitionof it.
So yeah, so since we talked, Ithink some things I continue to
learn about myself.
You know some people pleasingin there some perfectionism and
in, as an entrepreneur, impostersyndrome.
(05:12):
I never felt it in thecorporate setting, but
absolutely I felt it out hereand it's something that you know
.
People say, oh, doesn't exist,and you've heard Oprah say she
never even thought about it.
Well, I mean, most of us haveit.
So I think you know thedifference between being a
perfectionist and actuallygetting stuff done and being
productive comes down to how youhave set your priorities
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connected to what your vision is.
So you could have a hundredthings on your list a day easily
and be very, very busy, but didyou move the needle on what you
set out in your vision?
So if your vision is to helpwomen see the power of
possibility which great vision Iwould say it's very vague and
(05:57):
it's not like.
What does that mean?
So you know, I want women tohave the tools to create the
first steps towards the bestlife and the life they're meant
to live.
Okay, that's better.
So, really thinking about howdid my day, how did I work
towards that?
And obviously as a businessowner and someone who's growing
the business and learning alongthe way.
Like I, also have businessgoals and things I want to
(06:19):
accomplish, and I think it'sjust really important for us not
to think of our list, as youknow to do, but in the sense of
with regard to our, our valuesand our vision.
How are we moving the needleson that?
I think when I first startedoff, it was very, very intense
in the sense of my schedule andwhat I was doing and getting my
(06:39):
initial clients, which Ihonestly think is just the name
of the game.
And you know, sometimes peoplegive hustle.
You know a bad rap, but I thinkit's all about how you define
hustle.
You know hustle at the cost ofyour health, absolutely.
You know, throw that out.
But you know, are you usingyour time effectively?
I mean, we just had a reallygood conversation inside the
(07:00):
collective around.
You know the Eisenhower matrix,which we've all heard of.
You know what's high priority,low priority.
How are you spending your time?
How are you using it andreclaiming our time?
Because we may be doing thingsto kind of reset, like scroll,
or we may be back to back.
You know setting up ourmeetings and, again, we've all
heard these things.
This isn't rocket science, butwhat happens is we get in a
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habit of keeping those thingsgoing and not doing anything to
break the cycle.
So it comes to productivity and,like anyone listening, if
there's something in their lifethat feels heavy or too much or
something's got to give, mostlikely that's a space that you
need to really dig into and dosome introspection and look back
and look ahead of like whatcould be different.
(07:44):
You know, are you blocking yourcalendar but still giving it
away to everybody else?
Well, you're treating every.
You know you're treatingyourself in a way that you know
potentially is also helpingothers figure out how they
should treat you right.
So if your time isn't important, they might not think that
either.
Based on you modeling that andI think, productivity sometimes,
(08:04):
you know, I don't know if Ibragged about it, but I used to
be like I'm in 12 hours ofback-to-back meetings and I
thought that was something coolto say.
Maybe I don't know Like itsounds terrible now, but I used
to say that all the time and itwas real.
But wow, what a cost.
I think you had an incrediblegrind too like of your meetings
and travel and things that youwere doing before and I don't
(08:27):
know.
At times I felt like, wow, Ican do this, like I'm proud of
myself for being almost likethis tough and this resilient,
and I'm making all thedifference at my workplace.
But it was, you know, in thebackground, it was at a cost of
me getting to that place, ofreally big time burnout.
So I think, when it comes toperfectionism and productivity
is first realize the why of whyyou're doing something, and does
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it connect back to the overallvision of what you're trying to
accomplish in your life, andthat's personal and professional
, because you cannot do onething that doesn't affect the
other.
And I think a lot of womenthink, oh, I'm doing this over
here but it's not going toaffect my personal life, or I'm
doing this in my personal lifeand it's not going to affect my
professional life, and theyabsolutely are linked.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And when we get caught up in those type of
schedules or those type ofmeetings or 12 hour days that
are just filled with that typeof stuff, we start to normalize
it right, like it starts tobecome a normal thing for us.
And so I felt the same way,like this is just life, this is
just my day to day.
I have calls from whatever 7amto sometimes 7pm, meetings,
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travel, all of these things.
And I think that is even moreso as I have recently stepped
back into a corporate role andin leading a company as the CEO.
We're just building theconstructs of our team, and so
I'm trying to be again reallyintentional about hey, when we
have our one-to-ones, you know,or when we have these meetings,
are we having?
(09:54):
Like, what are these are?
For the sake of what right?
So let's not hold everyonetogether, everyone's time,
because oftentimes it's supereasy to throw a meeting on the
calendar, expect all thesepeople to show up, and it's
something that maybe you couldhave gone back and forth with
via email or with one person ora couple of people.
And so I heard somethinginteresting about the value of
(10:15):
people's time, and there is it'sin the app store.
There is an app and it's likesalary calculator or something
like that.
Yeah, I'll put it in the shownotes, but you can literally put
this up and display it onmeetings and you've got to do a
little bit of pre-work.
So let's say we have fiveexecutives and we're taking all
five of those executives andwe're having an hour-long
(10:37):
meeting.
Well, it calculates theirhourly rate and so up on the
clock it actually displays everyminute that goes by how much
it's actually costing you.
And I thought that was brilliant, because sometimes we just get
used to throwing these meetingson the calendar, because that's
what we've always done, and soI'm trying to work with my team
on really being intentionalabout the value of our time, and
(10:59):
not only our own, but the valueof everyone else's time who's
expected to show up to a lot ofthese meetings.
So I think for us to get alittle introspective and
understand the true value of ourtime and the value of others'
time like being considerate tothat as well.
I think you're much moreconstructive when you come
together and you really want tomake sure there's action
happening or somethingmeaningful occurring.
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You know, if you're going toutilize that expense of
everybody's hour, then you haveto use it really, really well,
and I thought that was a reallyfascinating spin on how to think
about meetings.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, I used to always say like I wonder how
much that meeting costs becauseof all the people that were in
the room, right, and I love thatyou can now put that.
You know, for the most part youcan put a dollar sign on it.
I think, then, also one of thethings that I've definitely
improved since, kind of my.
I think also it connected tosome adrenaline right, of just
making it through that gauntletof a day of 12 hours.
(11:51):
But I think what I've done isreally carved time, which takes
time, right, it doesn't happenovernight.
I used to do things like acalendar refresh where I cleared
all meetings quarterly so thatonly the ones that really were
adding value actually came backon to the calendar, because I
was doing some things with mydirect reports, thinking that
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again, part of the peoplepleaser in me, I want to give
them an hour of my time so theyknow I value them.
But did they need it?
Did they want it?
Did I need it?
Did I want it, you know?
So I think that was one thing Idid.
The majority of my career isalways give my one-to-ones an
hour, which that's definitelynot necessary, I don't think,
unless there's a real challenge,I think, in your organization,
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for you know your staff, but Ithink asking them was important
and then, as well as doing theclear, the calendar quarterly of
taking off the things that justbecame habit to have and they
really, you know, were nothelpful to moving the needle on
our goals.
Communication can happen in somany ways now, whether it's, you
know, via messaging or Slack oremail updates or all these
(12:56):
wonderful project managementtools.
I've just discovered Loop,which is part of Microsoft, and
you know just that's somethingwe all have.
We don't have to buy anotherthing, and so I think, just
figuring out the tools that wecan use to like check in on
progress and track things, butthen making the meetings truly
about, is there a problem?
Do we need insight?
(13:17):
Is there something that'screated, a change or something
we need to know about?
I think, truly using them asaction oriented items, versus
like updates and go around thetable type of moments.
I'm really hoping that you knowthat that's changing, and I
think it has, but it's slow inthe going, I think.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, you've created several unique frameworks around
personal development.
We talked about the boldframework a bit earlier.
Can you think of something thatcould be an actionable takeaway
for someone to actually likeyou know a favorite exercise of
yours to start and create action?
Like, maybe it's just babysteps, Maybe it's somebody
really getting to that conciseway of thinking to say, hey,
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this is the first step.
But what would be your guidanceon a couple of takeaways for
someone to really actually takethis idea or this thing that
they wanted to do and put itinto action?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, and I'm happy to share this with you.
It's like you can put it in theshow notes or whatever.
So I have something called theVision Builder and basically it
really sets forth kind of whatis your vision?
It asks some key questionsaround, kind of why, the why of
what you want to do and how youwant to do it and how you'll
feel, and then it's like what isthe first step and then what
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has been holding you back?
It's kind of a simple kind ofwalkthrough of what we've been
talking to, with a little bitmore meat around the questioning
for you of taking that visionand then taking action.
Right.
So we all may have like an ideaof what we want to achieve in
our career.
And to be happy doesn't mean youhave to leave the career you're
in.
It just might be a tuning ortweaking or a boundary setting
(14:50):
that you need to set up or aconversation you need to have.
You know, yesterday in thecollective someone was talking
about they had more goals thisyear than they did last year and
they didn't even know they weregetting all these additional
goals and I said, well, I usedto call that the curse of the
competent, meaning like thebetter you do, the more you can
do, the more you get.
But you need to kind of havethat timeout moment and that
(15:11):
sometimes awkward tense,whatever, however you like
played it up conversation withyour, with your boss around.
Like you know, I'm reallyhonored that you've given me
seven goals versus three.
But I need your help inprioritizing because, as you
know, these are a lot of thingsthat I have to do and my time is
just not able to touch on allof them.
But we could start and we couldbreak them down by quarter.
(15:32):
What do you think?
Here's what I'm doing andeasier said than done, of course
, depending on who you'reworking with.
But advocating for yourself isone of the things I learned
early on in my life that no oneelse is going to do, and the
more you do it, the better youget at it, and so I think that's
just really important forpeople to realize.
To start, you have to reallyknow what your vision is for
(15:53):
yourself, for your health, foryour wellness, your mindset and
your career, because they're allinterconnected in some form or
fashion.
So that's a great exercise tostart off and it asks just a few
prompts, there's some fillablesand then I ultimately, I have a
bold lib like a mad lib that itflows into.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'd love to be able to share that with the listeners
.
You also talk about theimportance.
It's a perfect segue, becauseyou talk about the importance of
setting boundaries, and I thinkthat was a perfect example of
kind of this pushback to say,okay, I love that you've created
all these goals for me.
However, you know, I have to beable to so honored.
Yeah, so honored.
(16:33):
I love that, Right.
I'm so honored that you createdseven instead of three, that
you over doubled it.
However, in best use of my time, right, we can only work on so
many things effectively andefficiently at once.
What are some some productiveways for women to be able to
navigate those boundaries?
And you talked a little bitabout it, but maybe that's at
(16:54):
work, maybe it's at home, buthow does one really start to
institute?
Maybe people have not.
They've had a blurred sense ofboundary prior to that.
How would you urge people toreally set it a little stronger?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I think what's important is you realize that
you most likely play a role init in some shape or form.
And so when I say ownership inthe bold framework, it truly is
about what do you own in thisfeeling of overwhelm, or it's
got to give or something's toomuch.
Did you give away your calendar?
I'll use me as an example.
Did you set up that meeting?
(17:27):
Did you override your assistantwho protected your time for you
?
I mean, I've done it all, likeI had things in place that you
know were, you know fail-safesof like yeah, that couldn't
happen.
So I think, first, starting offof you know what do I own in it
?
Did I do it 10 times?
And now they think that's theway that it's always done?
Or, you know, have you set theprecedent?
So start there, just with alittle bit of introspection.
(17:49):
And then I think, thinking likewhat can I do to start healing
it back to where I want it to be?
It's the same thing as anexample of a habit you have,
like, let's say, you're stayingup really late now.
Like you had a really solidbedtime of 10 and now it went to
11, now it's 12 and now you'reup to a one and you're working
later.
So you've kind of, you know,flexed your day.
(18:10):
Now you're up to a one andyou're working later.
So you've kind of, you know,flexed your day.
Well, you can't usually go fromI'm going to bed at 1am, I'm
going back to 10.
It's kind of like, you know,step by step working back toward
that goal.
Same thing when it comes toboundaries at work.
You know, with regard to, maybe, access to you, or you know,
instead of monthly team meeting,maybe you just do an office
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hour, so the sense of that.
Or instead of weeklyone-to-ones, like me, you do a
clearing of the calendar and youset them back for once a month,
for example.
You know, like, you allowaccess to you all weekend long
on your cell I've done that.
Or you've given your cell phoneto everybody and I've done that
(19:00):
.
And so, like, what can you doto move that back?
But still, you know, be therefor them or create opportunities
for them to have a support.
But you need that space foryourself and your family.
And you know, renewal, and Ithink, again, thinking about the
first step, to kind of put thatboundary in place or to
actually move back from yourextension back to where you want
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it to be Looking at thelandscape of women's leadership
today.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
what gives you hope and what do you think still
needs attention?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think what gives me hope is that, you know, when I
see the community that I'm inand the communities coming
together, I do have hope that wetruly do want one another to
succeed and we're open tosharing and putting ourselves
out there about our experiences.
So I have a lot of hope aroundauthenticity and, you know,
(19:50):
being able to be yourself andshow up as you are.
So there's a lot of hope there.
I think I lost that for a whilein the corporate setting, where
I felt like I needed to look acertain way, do a certain thing,
say a certain thing, and youknow, I would say predominantly
aligned with who I am.
But I think a lot of the timesit wouldn't be maybe how I would
do it or how I would show up.
Lot of the times it wouldn't bemaybe how I would do it or how
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I would show up.
You know, did I really need tohave a suit on with high heels
and do the job, or could I have,you know, been in, you know,
something a little lighter?
You know I'm not talking aboutyoga pants and a hoodie,
although I do do some reallygood work in my yoga pants and a
hoodie at home when I'm gettingcreative, you know, like that's
just a simple example that Ithink a lot of people could
relate to.
(20:31):
I think things that still needwork is I still find and I don't
know if you feel this too whena woman is ambitious or puts her
bold goal out there, they canget criticized or feel like they
have to apologize for theiraccomplishments or oh, I'm just
doing this.
I would just want you to seethis because and there you know,
there's some asterisks aroundtheir win or their
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accomplishment.
We need to get better atsharing our wins and, as women,
we need to support women andencourage them to do that.
And don't apologize for beingambitious.
I just think I get kind offired up about that when I see
it out there or when I findmyself doing it, like I did it
yesterday.
I was like you know, this is mypress page, but I only did this
because I'm like what?
(21:13):
Like I work really hard to makethat happen, and the reason
that I do press is I want tospread the message as far and
wide as I can about possibility.
So there's intention in it, itisn't just a boasting or
bragging Like there's intentionin the action, and so I just
want women to feel that they cando that.
I would love for just even thelisteners today, men or women,
(21:35):
to just reach out to someone whothey see is really rocking it.
Because most likely, if you seesomeone and I've heard people
say to me, you're really killingit, you're really rocking it
there's like some moments oftears in the background.
There's like moments of like amI doing the right thing?
So even just like coming up tothem and going, you are just
really doing a lot of things.
(21:55):
So well, right now I'm soexcited, inspired by you, just
checking in like are you takingcare of yourself?
You know, it's a different wayof saying you're killing it
right or you're rocking it, andit's kind of that human part of
it.
I think just being able to dothat, I think it would be
something that I think could bean improvement.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Those are the things that oftentimes, after somebody
has had a treacherous week ormonth or months, and someone
says that it fills their cup up,it reinstills them with hope
and their vision and like I cando this.
Okay, I've got this.
And oftentimes those thingscome like right on the edge of
you feeling like what in theworld am I doing?
(22:34):
Yeah, can I do this anymore?
Yeah, can I do this?
Am I?
Am I?
Am I?
Fill in the blank?
Right?
Am I good enough?
Am I whatever?
Like, we all battle thosethoughts and we battle the
valleys, and sometimes it'salone, and so I love that, to be
able to vocalize that and sharewhat you're seeing of greatness
in someone else, because thatmay be really, really a time
(22:56):
that they desperately need tohear it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, because it's not easy.
You know, if you see someonereally rocking it, there's a lot
behind it and probably somethings that they've given up or
things that they've gone through.
And, like you said, themajority of the time they're
doing it alone or they're doingit, you know, without a lot of
people knowing.
And that's why I say a lot ofbold moments happen in the quiet
spaces and on that continuum,because it's in those moments
(23:20):
that you dig in and you haveresilience and you have grit and
you believe in yourself and yousay I will figure it out.
I don't have the answer today,but I'm going to keep trying and
I'm going to figure it out.
So I think those things arehappening daily and we just
don't see it, or maybe we don'ttake the time to kind of go to
the next level of what we see.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
As we wrap up, I always love to ask this question
.
I think your insight probablyeven a couple of years ago, and
then fast forward to today,probably are very different.
But if it were your last day onearth and of all you've been
able to learn, you could onlyimpart one piece of wisdom with
the world.
What would that be?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So I remember I paused on this the first time
you asked me.
So I think, for me, the onething I would say is just to
believe in yourself, and what Imean by that and we've heard it
before and it sounds like asimple thing, but you are the
(24:18):
one that has to believe in youbefore anyone else.
You know, I can't believe inyou for you to take the step or
to take the job, or to go backto school or to get that degree
or to say no, I'm not going todo that.
You just have to believe in youbecause, ultimately, that is
what should be driving youraction, is your belief of what
is possible.
Mine would be believe inyourself.
I think last time it might havebeen give yourself a break.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'll have to listen back to that to see where this
is going, and it's different inthe different seasons that we're
in, and that's the beauty of it.
There's been several years oflived experience and lots of you
believing in yourself to beable to move, this kind of
vision that you've had foremboldening others with the
(24:59):
world, and so I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, because ultimately, you're accountable
for you and that's the onlyperson you can truly be
accountable for.
You can't do it for somebodyelse.
So why not use that really tohelp you move forward through
your belief of what's possibleand do the work?
I mean, it isn't, it's not apassive thing to be bold.
Yeah, you got to show up.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, you got to show up.
Well, Lee, I will puteverything in the show notes,
but would love for you to share.
Where can people find you?
Pick up a copy of the book,learn more about all the
offering that you have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, best place is the website leighburgesscom.
There's a space for the bookand the offerings and the things
that I do, and you can keep intouch through our newsletter
from there as well.
So, yeah, check us out at thewebsite, and the book is
everywhere.
Books are sold.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Very good.
Well, thank you so much forjust fully showing up, willing
to share your wisdom andinsights with the listeners.
I think people are going totake a lot out of this, more so
because of the last couple ofyears and all you've been doing
to impact other women around youthroughout the community.
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Thank you so much for listening and for being here on
this journey with me.
I hope you'll stick around Ifyou liked this episode.
It would mean the world for meif you would rate and review the
podcast or share it withsomeone you know may need to
hear this message.
I love to hear from you all andwant you to know that you can
leave me a voicemail directly.
If you go to my website,evokegreatnesscom, and go to the
contact me tab, you'll just hitthe big old orange button and
(26:29):
record your message.
I love the feedback andcomments that I've been getting,
so please keep them coming.
I'll leave you with the wisewords of author Robin Sharma
Greatness comes by doing a fewsmall and smart things each and
every day.
It comes from taking littlesteps consistently.
It comes from making a fewsmall chips against everything
(26:52):
in your professional andpersonal life that is ordinary,
so that a day eventually arriveswhen all that's left is the
extraordinary.
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