June 27, 2024 • 55 mins
Which film of 2024 has already etched itself into your all-time favorites? Join us as we navigate through the cinematic treasures that have graced our screens so far this year. From the gritty new western by Kevin Costner to the spine-chilling sequel of "A Quiet Place," our first chapter celebrates the year's standout films and the buzz surrounding upcoming releases. We also examine the unexpected success stories like "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes" and "Challengers," which have left us eagerly anticipating the rest of the year.
Our conversation then takes an electrifying turn as we delve into Kendrick Lamar's groundbreaking concert film, "The Pop Out: Ken and Friends." Experience the magic of this historic hip-hop event through our eyes, and then ride along as we discuss our dual number five picks: "Inside Out 2" and "The Bike Riders." Discover why "Inside Out 2" has captured our hearts and imaginations with its poignant storytelling and stunning visuals. We also shine a light on "Challengers," featuring a remarkable performance by Zendaya and its innovative take on sports filmmaking.
Prepare to be mesmerized as we dissect the artistic brilliance of "First Omen" and the cultural phenomenon that is "Dune." We share our awe for the intricate details of "First Omen" and its clever cinematography, and then switch gears to celebrate the rewatchability and quotable moments of "Dune," especially highlighting Javier Bardem's stellar performance. Finally, we pay homage to the exceptional cast and technical marvel that is "Dune Part Two," and the sensory delight that is "The Taste of Things." Join us in appreciating these cinematic masterpieces and their potential lasting impact on the film industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
how's it?
I'm alex macaulay and I'm maxfosford, and this is excuse the
intermission a discussion showsurrounding our favorite films
of 2024 so far.
It's the end of june.
We have six months of releasesto unpack and five films each
that we want to celebrate forbeing the year's best.
That conversation up next afterthis break.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
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today.
All right, we're back.
Max, how are you doing today?
We've had a productive morninghere.
We have.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, we're making moves and doing tests, tests,
tech tests.
Um, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I can't believe we're halfway through the year and
we're already talking about topfives of 2024 it's kind of
insane, yeah, um, and also, too,we're just, we're real flexible
now that summer's finally hit.
First recording congratulationson another year made it, made it
out the other side, sanitystill intact.
Definitely get to practice alittle self-care now, something
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that I'm always preaching to mystudents, and now I can actually
experience some of that formyself.
So, yeah, man, early morningpods, lots of golf, and then,
yeah, kind of what you alludedto tech test.
We were just down at EdisonSquare.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Really excited about the upcoming live show on July
11th.
That's going to be a ton of fun.
It's going to be amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Uh, I can't wait.
Uh, again, live show July 11th.
What?
1230 to two 30.
We we filmed a promo while wewere down there.
We hooked up our equipmentwhere we're live on the speakers
.
We're going to be on a stage.
Um, it's going to be.
Yeah, it's going to be thebright lights and big times we
got bright lights and big city.
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It's all to come away.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, I love to have to come away.
This is great Close to my house.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I love this budding partnership here with Edison
square.
But yeah, I mean, come down,get a burger at Radnor's really
good smash burgers right nextdoor.
Um, we're going to be playingmovie games.
We're going to be doing ourMount Rushmore's.
You're going to hear the wordletterbox thrown around a lot.
Um.
So yeah, come down, hang out,spend, spend your lunch break
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with us, take the afternoon off,take the whole day off.
Um cause it's going to be a lotof fun.
You know, maybe we pop over tochurch cantina afterwards, I
don't know.
Just have a day.
Come have a day with us.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Absolutely, please do .
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, so let's let's talk about this year.
So far in movies, we're doingour own little mountain Rushmore
, plus one here today a top fiveof 2024.
How do you feel and I know thatat this time last year we were
right on the brink of 2023exploding do you feel like
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there's some momentous eventthat's about to occur?
Obviously not to the samelevels as barbenheimer last year
, but I've seen a lot of chatterout there on instagram, on
reddit, of like everyone'sexcited, really excited, for
long legs, a lot of the moviesthat we talked about a couple of
weeks ago.
It feels like we're kind of ina holding pattern.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It's going to be interesting these next couple of
weeks just because, yeah, Ifeel like July is the or yeah,
july, july, end of June, july isthe meat of the season, right,
like this is like we're gettinga big western from kevin costner
this weekend, we're getting aquiet place movie, uh, this
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weekend, that's.
That's like really taking overthe algorithm, because, I guess.
Jeff nichols was supposed or wasalmost the director of that
film and now he has a film outcurrently that's going to be
competing against that film.
You know, we've got.
We've got long legs, we've gottwisters still to come.
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And then we have a future bestpicture winner of 2024.
A Marvel movie that you knowagain is like the hype is real
for that too.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And Wolverine Deadpool.
Yeah, wolverine.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Deadpool and will, yeah, wolverine Deadpool, and
will that say you know what isthat going to look like?
What is that going to do tothat group of movies?
What is that going to do to thebox office?
I think we're in the heat ofthe year.
No pun intended, but yeah, Idon't know.
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It'll be interesting to see.
I think a lot rides on thisnext month as far as how good we
will look back on this movieyear.
Leading up to this year, I wasalways saying this is going to
be a stinker of a year.
I think it's turned out betterthan I thought.
Uh, you know, I liked thingslike kingdom of the planet of
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the apes a lot better than Ithought I would.
Um, and then there's like beensome surprises.
Like I saw the tv glow or, uh,the dead don't hurt.
Uh, you know.
You know, I think challengers,you know hit man love lies
bleeding, like these are allreally like unique movies.
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Uh, and then, you know, I thinkthere's definitely a surprise
favorite, I think on both of ourlists uh, that maybe has
exceeded and will continue toreally last a long time in our
movie collections.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I certainly agree with that.
I know exactly what.
I know exactly the film you'retalking about, a couple others
that I just want to give a shoutout to that, like these are
really serviceable movies that Iwould have no problem
recommending is like the fallguy I thought was totally fine.
Um, how to have sex is a reallygreat, important movie.
Furiosa I feel like aftersitting on that movie for almost
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a month now, I have no problemswith Furiosa.
Stop Motion a really goodhorror film.
I think that I've been wishingand hoping and trying to kind of
manifest 2024 as like a greatyear for horror.
If I was going to pick onegenre that I think has done
really well so far this year, itis the scary movies that have
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come out.
Because I'm just sort oflooking at my list and I don't
have I saw the TV glow as highas you do, but like I have it
above things like Lovely Darkand Deep Night, swim and Tarot,
and then above that is likeAbigail, and then you could put
Out of Darkness in that category, and then above that is like
Abigail, and then you could putout of darkness in that category
.
Stop motion immaculate, andthese are just like every single
one of these is just like alittle bit more exciting than
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the next, and we're getting to areally exciting point in the
summer where, even beforeHalloween comes around and like
officially spooky season starts,where we're going to get things
like Terrifier 3 that are goingto be, I think, a little bit
more like you know, a couple ofyears ago, when a Terrifier
movie came out maybe not thatbig of a deal, but in 2024, I
think, will really help continueto carry that genre forward,
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and so I'm really excited.
I don't really know, aside fromfrom Dune, which of course,
we're going to end up talkingabout here in a little bit, but
I'm not really sure what theOscar movies are so far from
this year where, like I'mlooking at my list and I'm like,
as it stands right now, insideout, two would probably get a
best picture nomination, yeah,um, and so that that might be
where this year is lacking alittle bit just in like the, the
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real highbrow, criticallyacclaimed films.
I don't think we've gotten toomany of those quite yet, um, but
but a lot of room for somepersonal favorites yeah, you
know, and on that point ofhorror, something like late
night with the devil and in aviolent nature which, have you
know, made waves in the indiehorror space.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like I think, even though maybe my own personal
taste going into those, I Ithought they were okay and they
were fine.
I think those are the type ofmovies that are going to also
grow over time and and maybe welook back in a couple of years
and be like, okay, no, those,those are actually really
interesting horror movies thatno one had really done, that
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kind of format or whatnot before.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I do think I saw that late night with the devil is
already getting like a boutiqueblueberry release from umbrella
or some some kind of.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I wouldn't be surprised if in a violent nature
.
I don't know if you've firedthat up yet, um, but it is.
It is terrence malick makes youknow friday the 13th.
Like it is a really interestingtake on a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Um no, that sounds that.
That's wow.
What a way to sell a movie tome.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah I'm not.
I think you'll really enjoy itokay, very cool.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Um, yeah, I've been.
There are a couple films Iwanted to get to for this
episode.
That was one of them the beast,this new lais, I do film.
There's another movie that Iwanted to watch before this
episode, but I've been grindingaway on house of dragon.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I gave up on that show hot d yeah, some hot d I
gave up on it too early a coupleof years ago now.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Whatever, however long it's been, um, but I'm I'm
back hooked and I'm trying tocatch up for season two.
So that's where a lot of myfree time has gone.
But of course, my life is justfull of free time now so we'll
get to a lot of these othermovies that have already um come
out and and make sure.
I really want to make sure, likeright now, how many movies I'm.
I'm only in like the high 30sright now for 2024 releases.
(09:49):
I definitely want to get thatnumber probably up to like 80 or
90 by the end of the year.
I'm exactly at 30 um and yeah, Ithink last year I was around
like 73, 75 um, I know at thebeginning of the year we both
kind of said a movie resolutionfor the year was maybe to watch
less things Um, but at the sametime, though, now I'm like I'm
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really excited about this year.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think the second half of this year is
going to be it's, it's exciting,it's always exciting.
Uh, you know, once you get tothis point of the year, it's
because, again we've gottenthrough a lot of the fat we've
gotten through a lot of thestuff that we were kind of
fearing, um, and now we get tohopefully enjoy some great
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summer blockbuster stuff.
And then and then we get intoaward award season and like
that's always my favorite time,from like September to, you know
, january is like that's when Ireally feel like some of my
favorite movies have been comingout For sure.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Okay.
Well, let's talk about ourfavorites from this year so far.
We'll start with our numberfives.
I'll go first, because I, ofcourse, have a little wrinkle in
the five spot.
I'm cheating on five as well.
That's how we do it.
Man In the five spot I'mcheating on five as well.
That's how we do it, man.
So this I think I did this onlast year's episode as well,
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with the Weeknd's live concertthat was broadcast on HBO Max
live from SoFi.
It was just a fantasticproduction.
Same vibes right now with thepop out Ken and Friends.
This came out just last week, Ibelieve Kendrick and this is
the Kendrick Lamar like thepublic murdering of Drake.
Yeah, it was the execution.
Um, and so I I mean I justdidn't even hesitate.
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I gave this five stars.
It's available to log onletterboxd.
Um but it was live streamed onAmazon prime and you can find it
now on YouTube.
I'm sure Prime will get thesame broadcast they had live put
up on demand on their streamingservice.
But just a remarkablecollection of Los Angeles hip
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hop artists from our generation,from the current generation,
old school artists.
They did it at the LA Forum andso a real historic venue.
It's right there in Inglewood,california.
But by the time Kendrick comesout and he basically does like
an hour-long session, anhour-long set to end it I felt
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like I was watching.
Every year I'll try to watchlike the Coachella live stream
or any of these big musicfestivals that do a live stream.
I mean, I was just like sohyped up, moving around in my
living room, like getting allexcited.
A lot of my favorite hip hopartists are featured on here.
Like I went crazy when YG comesout.
There's this really cool.
Like black hippie reunion withschoolboy Q and all the people
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that kind of came up withKendrick there in the 2010s.
So a nostalgic watch for me, areally cool.
It felt like a really importantmoment for hip hop.
Like you had a bunch of oldheads there, dr Dre's there.
You had a lot of people fromjust like the Los Angeles
community there, who you knoware just like part of the
culture and also grew up withthis music.
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Like LeBron James is there,russell Westbrook's there, demar
DeRozan's there, All thesepeople that either, like, played
college basketball and grew upwith this movie in Los Angeles
or currently play on, you know,professional Los Angeles sports
teams.
Um, the aforementioned theweekend was there in the crowd,
just kind of like all thesepeople coming together for
Kendrick, for hip hop, but yes,also for the, the uh the weekend
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was there, but he wasn't onstage no, because he's he's
canada, he's he's toronto.
So this was really, but you knowhe's there in support, he's
yeah that's cool.
That's the other thing too,where it's like that's.
That's interesting too, becausedrake's toronto oh, yeah, yeah
no I mean, the weekend hasn'tbeen as involved in this
kendrick drake beef, but um, hewas on that metro boomin mixtape
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that came out.
Um, of course, kind of startedall of this, and so he's clearly
picked a side and it's Kendrickand that's the other thing.
It's just like Kendrick doesthe diss tracks towards Drake
and he plays him like over andover, back to back and the crowd
singing along.
And if you look at the reviewson Letterboxd for this film, it
is hilarious.
And for this production, Idon't really know what to call.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
it's just, you know, it's a concert video, concert
movie hey man uh you know we had, we had a huge concert movie
last year too.
I I think it's it's part of thecanon, it is it's there, um,
but they're hilarious.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's just like wow.
I didn't think that you couldput like an execution on on live
streaming or whatever, becauseit is.
Uh, it's everything that Ialready said, but then it is
also just such a shot at atdrake, which is hilarious.
I've never been the biggestdrake fan, so, um, if you do
like drake's music, you know, nooffense or anything like that.
I'm sure we can still be greatfriends, but you probably
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wouldn't want to watch thisbecause, um, yes, it's for the
record.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Eti is on kendrick's side, we are team kendrick.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yes, yeah, so that's, that's my number five.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The uh, the pop out canon friends, uh so I feel
really strong about my top four.
My number five kind of has beenswitching really honestly,
based on like kind of recencybias and new movies.
So I I think I, to do itjustice, I'm gonna have two
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movies at my number five oh,okay but again they are the most
.
Two most recent movies I've seenin in theaters, which is inside
out 2 and the bike riders, uh,from jeff nichols.
Uh, inside out 2, you know wedid a whole episode on it.
I, I, I still think it'sprobably the best, definitely
the best animated movie that'scome out this year and, like you
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were saying, could it be in theOscar race for best picture?
I think it definitely could.
It will be really interestingto see if they do an Inside Out
3, but if they were to end ithere, I think it's a perfect
one-two punch with the first,inside Out.
Again, a great message in it, apoignant message, but also a
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universal message, not just forone type of person.
And beautiful animation, really, really fucking funny.
The comedy talent in that isfantastic.
So really, really enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Inside out too, it's also like the tyrannosaurus rex
of the box office so far thisyear.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, like I mean it's the winner.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Dune dune did its thing, of course, but this movie
is like approaching barbielevel.
Domestic numbers like it'sgonna go down is probably one of
of, if not the most successfulfilm of the 2020 so far, once
it's out of theaters.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, and I think that's a testament to how good
it is.
The other movie is the BikeRiders.
A very different movie, a verymasculine movie, a very dad rock
movie Like.
It reminded me a lot of Fordversus Ferrari movie.
A very dad rock movie likereminded me a lot of ford vs
ferrari.
You know, and that's kind ofanytime you do any sort of
racing movie or motorcycle movieor whatever you're gonna get
that um, it also like had a lotof ties or a lot of nods to uh
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like something like goodfellas,like, honestly, the first three
minutes like it is, it's acomplete homage to, to the
goodfellas voiceover yeah,totally.
Um, and I think you know it'sabout this biker gang, but it's
told from the perspective of uhkathy, who is the girlfriend of
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one of the bikers, and she'sdoing voiceover through the
whole movie and she has a lot.
There's a lot in common withthe Karen character from
Goodfellas and this lovetriangle, really, of Austin
Butler, tom Hardy and JodieComer.
Tom Hardy is electric, homer.
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Tom Hardy is electric.
That guy is such an excitingperformer on screen.
I don't care if he's doing asilly voice as long as he
doesn't have something coveringhis face.
Even when he has a mask on right.
He is so cool and so in commandwhen he's on screen in this
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movie that it's amazing.
And he's doing this weird likeperformative, like his character
is performing as Marlon Brando,because there's a scene where
he literally is watching theWild One, which is a Marlon
Brando motorcycle movie, andthat's what makes him want to
start a motorcycle club, and sothen he tries to be that
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character from that movie.
It's really layers of weirdness, uh.
And then awesome butler.
I think awesome butler has like16 lines in the movie, all
vibes.
He's just smoldering, just heis just staring at people and
looking so distraught.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And handsome, I'm sure, and handsome yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Like the most handsome, like there is no biker
ever who looked like AustinButler.
But yeah, he does an excellentjob at it and when he does speak
like because he, he speaks, hedoesn't speak a lot.
You're just, you're kind of onthe edge of your seat, um.
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And then jody comer, who isalso doing a crazy voice, uh,
even though it's been reportedthat like it is like almost spot
on to the real kathy character,uh, and from real life, um, um,
is is fantastic.
She's really really good.
Jodi Comer, is she now you knowthe last her CV now of movies?
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I mean, she is someone whoshould be considered maybe every
year for for an Oscar.
Like, I think she is that good.
Yeah, she was nominated forfree guy yeah.
No, she is that good.
Yeah, she was nominated forfree guy.
Yeah, no, she is really.
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She's really good.
Yeah, she's awesome, yeah.
So, and you know, jeff nicholsmovies I don't think it's the
best jeff nichols movie.
I don't think it's the worst.
I I don't think there is a badjeff nichols movie.
Uh, he is such an interestingfilmmaker because he is someone
who has really operated in likethe indie space for so long and
it takes a lot of time betweenprojects takes a ton of time.
He's not a prolific writer he,you know, he, he, but he he is
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so good at attention to detailin his films and listening to
him on interviews or readingabout his interviews this past
week, it's amazing what theywere able to create a 1960s
world within this movie and theydo it beautifully.
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Just a beautiful movie.
Very adult drama, again, verydad rock.
It's very dad rock, but likeit's a lot of fun and there's a
lot of you know, a lot of dudes,a lot of dudes just showing up
for cups of coffee, like normanreedus or michael shannon, of
course, boyd holbrook oh um, youknow a lot of like.
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It's just, it's just a greattime and it captures a really
cool culture that I don't thinkwe've seen on screen in a long
time.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Very cool yeah, that's, that's on the list.
Once, uh, I have like a weekleft of of data and then it's
like, right, we need to get outto the theaters and catch some
of this stuff before it hits ondemand, and that's certainly one
of them.
Okay, my next film, much likemy fifth film, is um, it's in
the top five in large part tothe music and that is
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challengers.
Um, this is my number four,okay, perfect.
So, yeah, both of our numberfours, I should say too.
Going back to to um, the pop-up,ken and friends, I feel like in
in my 30s here I've I'vedefinitely stopped listening to
like contemporary rap, and so Ithink that's and I, you know,
talked a little bit about likethere's some nostalgia baked
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into there, um, but I think itwould just be really funny what
what the drake and kendrick beefdid for hip-hop music and kind
of getting quote-unquote likeold heads like me back into the
genre would just be really funnyif that was happening in other
um music spaces.
Like my favorite artist isprobably lana del rey, right,
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now and if, like lana, just wentafter taylor swift or somebody?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
billy eilish or billy eilish.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They're kind of the same sphere totally or lord or
somebody just like decided tojust throw down.
I think that'd be so exciting.
I like if glass animals justwent after tame and paula or
something like these othergenres of music that I think I
probably like more than hip-hop.
Now that'd be really funny tosee trinaticus going after
fucking ludwig, or yeah, exactlyexactly would be just really
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funny to see how societyresponded to that and and if
people would even care the waythey do when, when rappers go at
each other.
But I digress because we aretalking about um trent, trent
resner and atticus ross in largepart here with challengers.
I have this movie at three andthen slipped to four, really by
no fault of its own, and that'smore to do with another movie
that's still to come here on mylist.
But I think this movie is just.
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It's such a testament to how,how an exciting and talented
filmmaker can continue to showyou something new when you think
you've seen it all.
And now that can be in a sportsfilm, because this is.
This film is shot and edited ina way that not very many sports
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films are approached, and theaction in this movie is
fantastic and you can read allyou want about how well it was,
like Zendaya saying well, I veryrarely hit an actual tennis
ball.
All that CGI, it doesn't matterbecause it looks great, it's
not, you know, like you'rewatching the mighty ducks or
whatever.
And it's obviously a fake hockeypuck flying through the air or
something like that.
Like this movie looks so goodand so I feel like in the
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performances are obviously great.
But I think what I've come toappreciate about this movie so
much is just all the technicaleffort that went in to making it
.
Um, and then all theperformances.
They kind of just they'resublime in a way where, like I
think they're actually probablygoing to be at the end of the
year like underappreciated,because I think people will just
continue to praise the craft somuch, which is great.
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That's just.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's, uh, an indicator of a really
well-rounded movie, I feel like,yeah, I think it's really
special because it's athree-hander, but each of those
characters get a really likeawesome moment throughout the
film, and I, I agree, I thinkthe performances in this film
are some of the best we've seenof the year, and you know
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whether it's Mike Foss in the inthe sauna, that's the one that
like really stands out to me.
Um, when he's talking to JoshO'Connor's's character and you
know talking about like oh I, Idon't even think about you or
you're, then why are you here?
you know the performances arestellar, but also on the
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technical level, it is one ofthe best it could.
It is the best sports movie ofthe 2020s.
Uh, up to this point, right I,I can't even think of another
sports movie of the 2020s.
Uh, up to this point, right I,I can't even think of another
sports movie, cause we don'teven really make sports movies
anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Um, so to layer it, and I think it's also a really
interesting examination of likesex in movies.
Right Like I, I was having thisconversation with someone the
other day.
Like you know, the tennis inchallengers is a stand in for
sex, because we don't show sexin movies anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Zendaya even has that line when she's talking to the
boys at that first party afterher, like juniors win or
whatever, where she's talkingabout being locked in with her
opponent and for that briefamount of time when you know
that that person's operating onthe same level as you.
Like it euphoric?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
yeah, it's totally an allegory for sex totally, and
so I, I think, also historically, we're going to look back at
this movie and be like this wasa weird, this was a weird time,
yeah, when we were, we wereshying away from that and I, I,
I do hope, I, I think movieshave always been a a good space
to explore that, that side ofhumanity, and like I think we
(26:12):
need to get back to beingcomfortable, you know, having
sex in our movies.
But I think this will be areally interesting piece of
history to go back and watch,even just the Luca movies in
general and under a microscope.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Right they always approach sex in a very nuanced
way.
Yeah, which is so interesting,because all of his films, even
suspiria, a lot of suspiria, hasto do with sexuality.
Yeah, yeah, um, so, challengers, I mean it's, it's right there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's also probably in the best picture race, as, as
we stand, I hope today, um Ireally I hope it didn't come out
too early yeah, right you knowwhat, if, what?
If challengers was coming outin july like you, that would
have been really exciting.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It would have been.
I do think it came out at theright time, though, because we
needed it there at the beginningof the spring, that's true, um,
but you're right, it does feel,perhaps, like it's maybe fallen
out of favor just a little bit,but, but I but I mean so have
some of the other films here onour list.
Um, and even things that havecome out within the last like
month.
Yeah, Um okay, so that was bothof our number fours.
I'll go to my number three thenlisten.
(27:18):
Number three on my list, numberone in my hearts, and we can
save it right now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I have it at number two, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Let's just wait then.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, uh, my number three, again a movie.
I think that would havesucceeded more if it had come
out during the summer because,uh, and that is Alex Garland's
civil war and, again, on atechnical level, some of the
best sound design I've everheard in a movie as far as, like
warfare sound of sound design Ilove.
(27:49):
I love that we're dropped intothis movie I, in the middle of
this conflict.
I love that there is no reallylike origin story of it or you
know you have to pick a side oranything.
It's told through the lens ofjournalists, so it's very
objective.
Um, I know it got into a lot oftrouble with, like, the AI
(28:16):
posters that it created orwhatever as part of its
marketing, but I really thinkCivil War is like one of the
best made movies of the year sofar and you know, again, the
performances there.
There there's a there's alittle inconsistency throughout
the movie with Kirsten Dunst'scharacter and you know Alex
Garland's kind of known for thatwith his female characters, and
so you can, you got to go inwith a little bit of grain of
(28:38):
salt with that, um, if you wantto nitpick, but watching this
movie in theaters was still likeone of the most like thrilling
IMAX watches I've had in areally long time.
Um, I can't wait for it to comeon physical.
It's definitely on the list toto own.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, it's, it's out there and it's the the 4k steel
book which.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I think I've shown you the cover for already sold
out on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.
So again, I hope a movie thatdoesn't like fall to the wayside
, uh, and you know it, maybe,and I I feel like, because it's
so objective, it didn't like setthe world on fire like people
were saying it was going to um,so yeah, I just love, I love
civil war.
(29:25):
I can't wait to to fire it athome.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
A summer release would have been really
interesting, and I'm justthinking now.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
imagine if this film would have came Fourth of.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
July, well, or even wait till the fall, when the
presidential campaigns arereally going.
That would have been a veryinteresting time.
And then maybe, even though itis a lot less divisive than I
think people anticipated, theNick Offerman character is not
as flamboyant as you mightexpect for a president and
(29:53):
something like this or in a filmlike this.
I think even as the moviestands right now, had it come
out, like you know, in the fall,people may have responded a
little bit stronger to it.
But still, maybe that's, maybethat's great.
Maybe that was intentionalbecause it did just kind of come
out in a time in which youcould consume it and hopefully
I'm sure garland's intention wasjust to appreciate it for, like
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what you were saying, the lackof exposition, go into it and
like just kind of, uh yeah, withthe kirsten dunst and kaylee
spaining characters it's, it'sinteresting.
But like just kind of try tosee yourself in in the role of
somebody like this during one ofthese times.
Because honestly, with allthese, with all the action films
(30:36):
that come out, whether it is amovie about warfare or not, it's
usually kind of hard to try tosee yourself in some of those
characters.
It's a lot easier in a movielike this to to about who would
you be, how would you feel, howwould you navigate this space.
So I think that was probablyeasier to do with a spring
release with this movie.
Yeah, totally Okay.
(30:56):
Well, now it's time for thefirst omen.
Number three for me, number twofor you.
Yeah, I think this is one ofthose cases where I'm trying to
uphold a little bit of criticalintegrity, journalistic
integrity, whatever you want tocall it.
I haven't had as much funwatching a movie this year as I
(31:16):
have had with the first omen.
I haven't seen a movie morethan I've seen the first omen.
I think I've seen it four timesnow this year.
I mean you're doing Satan'swork.
Just yeah, man talk about justtalk about a banger of a film.
This is it.
This movie goes so hard.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
This is one of those movies that, like I, am so
excited to like show people.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Uh, you know, I went over to our friend Andy's house
a couple of weeks ago andbecause they wanted to do a
movie night and it was just noquestion, I was like first omen
that's what we're watchingbecause they were like what's
what's been good this year?
You need to experience firstomen.
You need to experience our, ourgirl, uh, tiger getting out of
(32:04):
the car free.
Yeah, oh, dude that scenegetting out of the car and doing
the shakes that feels thatscene feels like there's
something else happening.
It feels like it should be.
It feels like it's cgi, butit's not.
I know, I know it's remarkableyeah it's.
(32:25):
It's just an amazing, a great,great film and it's so good like
especially watching it withpeople who haven't seen it, like
you know the turn or the twist.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know is hidden well enough.
The hand, the devil's hand,birthing scene In broad daylight
Is way more graphic than Iremember, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's not something you see just once either.
I love that's one of myfavorite thing about the imagery
in this movie, where it'ssubtle but also there was so
much intentionality in thedirecting to where like, and of
course, every single frame ofevery single movie has intention
behind it.
But this movie really feelslike they are just using every
(33:14):
single inch of the screen.
Yeah, where, like when Ire-watched it I think it was my
third time was really when I waslike okay, I, I'm past the
comprehension stage.
I understand the twist, the Iknow what to look for in a sense
.
But also I can really juststart to appreciate all these
little moments, like when she'sfirst back in the flat with her
(33:34):
roommate and there are just likelong holds where the corners of
the room are dark and she'sseeing things.
There's no music cues though fora jump scare or anything like
that, and it is just sounnerving like this movie really
starts to turn up.
This goes from like I mean, ithas a great great start right,
(33:55):
great cold open here, with thepriests, um two great actors too
, right on screen right away.
So it sucks you in with charlesdance and ralph einstein, but
then it it just kind of likeholds at like a low, medium for
a minute and then probably aboutlike the 40 minute mark.
We are way past like mediumhigh and cooking and I love that
(34:15):
about this movie is the pacingI think is about as good as you
can do in a horror film, and Iknow that we both buck on the
last like two minutes of themovie the last like minute, and
it's so dumb, dumb, but it'shonestly one of these.
I find it like a little moreendearing now because I'm just
kind of like oh, you thought youhad to do this you didn't have
(34:36):
to do this, like you had us.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You know um, but it is you had me a jackal.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, you had me at the fleshy sack, um in the music
.
So yeah, I don't know this it's.
It's kind of a perfect movielike it's.
I know youhy sack in the music.
So yeah, I don't know, it'skind of a perfect movie Like
it's.
I know you put that in yourmost recent review too, where
you were just like I kind ofcan't find anything wrong with
this movie, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think one of my favorite screens or frames of
this film and it's such like alike obvious thing, but I I
didn't really notice it untilthe second watch is when, I
think, after a lot of like theuh turmoil and conflict has
(35:17):
happened, she goes to the, thechurch altar or whatever and
she's praying oh, dude, I knowwhat you're talking about.
And we pull out yep and likeshe's in the mouth of the devil
yes, with the candles it'sabsolutely brilliant because
when you first see it, when youfirst see it you're just like,
oh wow, look at all thosecandles, what, what a what a
cool set.
(35:37):
But then, like on multiplewatches, you're just like, oh my
god, that's a face, those areteeth, they're the eyes, like.
And you see that face, Ibelieve, on like one of the
floor paintings in somebody'sroom or one of the rooms that
you're walking around in.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And, yeah, it's just that's the attention to detail
that I've just come to loveabout this movie is that it not
only operates so well as ahorror film but it's it's a
really really.
So it takes place 1971, rome,and it is such a good period
piece and it's really like it's,it's ambitious in its attempt
(36:16):
to be a period piece as well.
It's not like I mean the moviethat it gets compared to.
A lot is immaculate and I'veseen some R lists that have
immaculate above it, others thathave first omen in front of
immaculate.
I think it's first omen all theway Is immaculate modern.
I think it's first omen all theway Is immaculate modern times.
It's modern times, yeah, but ina way that, like you wouldn't
(36:37):
necessarily have to make it be,because that's such a confined
story where you don't reallyleave the church in the
Montessori that they are at,whereas that would have been
easy to do here.
Set it in 1971.
And basically you just liketake away technology and you
call it good or whatever.
But there are times like when,um, when you first land in Italy
(36:57):
and there's this huge sweepingshot of the airport and we're
leaving and all the cars andeverything like that, just
incredible production design.
Yeah, the costume scene when wego out dancing it's remarkable.
There's scenes on the streetsand then a scene that, like, is
so good that I'm so happy theyput into the film so that it
wasn't just like we're justgoing to do this once or
whatever to try to set you in.
(37:18):
But then when, like, the fieldtrip goes back out into the city
to the museum and theprotesters have their huge
demonstration and there's, likeyou know, nell Tiger free is
starting to to like she'shallucinating these tentacles
wrapping around her, um, and inthese visions and it's smoky
because of, like, the grenadesthat are going off and
(37:40):
everything like that, it's, it's, it seems like that where I'm
like this is just such a flexright now like the art direction
, everything the vision is sogood.
I know we've been praising thismovie a lot and this is like
this is my big call to actionfor this, for this podcast.
If you haven't seen it, even ifyou don't like horror films,
like, just fire this up.
(38:01):
Yeah, it's so good.
And it's so good because itactually is scary.
Like I understand if you don'tlike scary movies, but everybody
has a scary movie that theylike.
This could be one of those foryou.
Yeah, like this is a movie thatyou don't need to know the
backstory, really, of the otherOmen films, because it predates
all of those.
Just go into it, expect a wild.
(38:23):
Like this movie.
And again here, though, likefull disclaimer, this movie was
almost rated in C-17.
Like, this movie has some wildimagery in it.
This movie was almost rated NC17.
Like, this movie has some wildimagery in it.
Like, if you want a scary movie, if you want to see how to do a
horror film right in 2024, thisis this is the one for you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, and nothing gets taken away by
watching it on a TV screeneither, like it's still totally
works.
Yeah, plays really well.
Yeah, okay, so that was yournumber two two.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
It was my number three.
My number two is dune, which Iwouldn't be surprised if that's
your number one.
That is my number one, I meanagain, one that we've talked
about a lot a ton.
It's really easy to re-watch.
Um, it's kind of one that Ijust put on.
You know, it's streaming on max, so it's really fun to have on
the.
The quotability of this film, Ifeel like, far exceeds the
first one, and that's maybe oneof my favorite things about it,
is that, like, as you'rewatching it, there's a bunch of
(39:11):
different moments and littlelike vignettes within the film
that you can start to lookforward to, not so much because,
like, oh, this is a big actionset piece or whatever, but just
the different interactions withthe characters, like Javier
Bardem.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Javier has become that character has become a meme
.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm in a group text, uh about you know, we're going
on a boy's trip, and someonesaid something about, like you
know, cause we're going toArizona, it's going to be hot
out and it's like I'm just goingto wear, you know, a big cloak
to cover myself and like,immediately someone says, sends
a picture of Javier in thismovie.
Like he is the one, yeah, asit's written.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So so so I love it for that.
I also love what it's just done, for there's been a lot.
It's been interesting.
I know you've seen the samevideos.
We've been sent this video, Ithink, like in a group chat
before, um, but kind of how onceupon a time in hollywood nabbed
like sydney, sweeney, austin.
(40:12):
Butler, all these superstars,margaret Qualley, early in their
career, and you look at thatfilm and you're like, wow, yeah,
of course it's always going tobe remembered for Margot Robbie
and Leo and Brad Pitt andeverything like that.
But you look at the youngtalent and the film.
All these people are superstarsalready.
But I still think that in fiveor 10 more years, when you look
back at the cast of Dune 2, youwant to talk about like an
(40:34):
Avengers movie that isn't asuperhero film.
Yeah, this is going to be likeblowing people's minds that you
had Zendaya and Florence Pughand Timothee Chalamet and Austin
Butler and Léa Seydoux all inthe same film.
Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And but then also, like josh roland, all the
veterans christopher walken, yep.
Javier bardem yeah, rebeccaferguson, charlotte rampling,
charlotte rampling, yeah, yeah,listen, I don't know if
anything's going to come to thescale of what dune dune 2 has
been this year and like again,again on the technical side of
(41:10):
things, like it's just aremarkable piece of film to
especially to experience in animax or any theater, any huge
screen like it is.
Like denny is just such amaster of creating the world and
enveloping you in it and uh, I,I, I, I want something to to
(41:35):
challenge it in my number onespot, but I just it's such a
thoroughbred right.
I just don't know, yeah, I justdon't know what will.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, and and I can't imagine, even if something like
long legs, which hopefully doesthe same thing on a different
level, um to me, comes along andand is thought of.
Um, you know personally, islike a four and a half or a five
star film.
The scale and the scope and theaccomplishment to pull off
(42:02):
something like dune part two isstill always going to put it
above anything else, like it'sin in.
It's interesting, because Iknow that so many people felt
that way about oppenheimer lastyear.
Yeah, and it's, I think, whythat movie ended up being the
favorite over something likebarbie or killers of the flower,
(42:22):
moon or anything else that cameout last year.
Just because of theaccomplishment to to pull off
movie Dune part two.
And this will always be like,well, looking back at this
decade, this will probably beone of the greatest like
unanswered questions, like funthings to play with, and we've
mentioned it before.
But like, had those two filmscome out in the same year
Oppenheimer and Dune part twohow would the Academy, how would
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critics, how would people havestacked them up against each
other?
Because everything about Dunepart two just feels bigger than
that movie.
Like you said, I think it's,it's just going to be bigger
than anything else that we seethis year, um, aside from
twisters, of course.
But it's just, it's gonna bereally, really hard to beat.
It really is twisters, man, Ijust can't wait for that eight
(43:07):
hour pod um, okay, and then themovie that's just held, uh, at
the top of my list all year longis the taste of things yeah and
this movie is just I.
I'm, I feel, another rewatchcoming up here, because now it's
summertime, I'm in the house alot.
I'm cooking three square meals aday, it feels great, not to
like just miss lunch six out ofseven days a week, Um, cause I'm
(43:30):
working through it, but like tobe in the kitchen, to be
cooking, to have the windowsopen, sun's flooding in.
I mean, you know what time Iwas up this morning like sun is
just pouring in through thehouse at all hours of the day
right now.
This is the perfect movie forthat.
Um.
I saw a couple other friendsreview this movie on letterbox
recently.
They, they, they saw and, mostimportantly, heard the same
(43:51):
things that I heard.
That, like this movie puts younot only like in the kitchen,
but in the saucepan.
It puts you in the pantry.
Just like the sounds of thismovie, the visuals of things
being cooked.
It's so remarkable.
Juliet binoche she could be asneaky, but again, now see, this
is where this is tough to talkabout.
This is a 2024 movie, becausethis movie was released in
(44:14):
competition for all the awardslast year.
2023, yeah, um, but we justdidn't get it as an american
release until this year.
So that's why it's still on mylist for this year, but like I
don't know in what world, she'snot nominated for best actress
in this movie.
It's just kind of like, besidesme, um, because this is a movie
that certainly has had itssmall moment and it's probably
(44:35):
just gone.
Now, um, at the end of the year, depending on how you know,
different uh, critics createtheir list, it might have
another little resurgence whenpeople like, oh, what is this
movie.
Like I thought this was arelease from last year.
However, like I thought thiswas a release from last year,
however it gets interpreted, soit's not totally dead and buried
.
I still want to sing its praisesbecause I just think it's one
of the most.
(44:56):
It's an enjoyable movie.
It's also a sad movie, but it'sjust kind of one of the best,
like romantic, adult, romanticlove stories, a movie about
people's passions.
It's just really effective,like on there.
And that's kind of the onlyreason why I have it above dune
right now, because, even thoughthe scale and the scope of dune
is so great, I feel like, youknow, in another world, in
(45:19):
another league, in another sport.
This movie is doing.
It's doing as much as dune isdoing, but just like on this
estate in france, as opposed toon another planet in outer space
.
You know um so the taste ofthings is, I I still think,
probably the most effectivemovie that I've seen, from an
(45:44):
objective standpoint standpointas far as like connecting with
me emotionally, like the firstomen, the most fun that I've had
and, I think, the movie thatwill endure the longest and that
I will watch the most from thisyear dune part two, the best
spectacle, the bestquote-unquote movie, going
experience that I've had thisyear.
(46:05):
But the taste of things, justlike, as far as emotionally
resonating with me, it's numberone right now.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
So there's that thank you, sir um all right.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
We already talked about most of our honorable
mentions.
Anything else you want to getout there, though I don't have
too many more.
I'm glad you brought up civilwar.
I'm glad that was still in yourtop five, because it's eight
for me.
I have furiosa at seven,immaculate at six, hitman's
right outside the, or it's rightat ten.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I've got Hitman at nine.
You know I can't remember if Italked about the Dead.
Don't Hurt, that's a just astraightforward old school
western, you know, written anddirected by Viggo Mortensen.
He also stars in the movie.
He also scored the movie.
So it's a big passion projectfor him.
By Viggo Mortensen.
He also stars in the movie.
He also scored the movie.
(46:52):
Um, so it's a big passionpassion project for him.
Uh, but, and I guess when I sayold fashioned Western, like, it
is just very, it is very much aa American Western movie, but it
does kind of subvert theWestern tropes a bit, um, and I
really enjoyed watching that, uh, in theaters.
(47:14):
It does kind of subvert theWestern tropes a bit and I
really enjoyed watching that intheaters.
It was great.
It was part of a double featureday with In a Violent Nature,
which was a really interestingday.
But yeah, it's just a greatslow burn of a Western and
please go again.
On the technical level and onthe art direction level it's
(47:40):
fantastic and Vigo does such agood job at paying attention to
detail and making you feel likeit is a tactical, physical world
that you're watching.
Um, so yeah, I would recommendgo go check that out.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Hopefully that's the reputation that 2024 has in a
couple of years.
Is that, like, this is the yearof?
Not that there weren't passionprojects last year right,
because Killers of the Flower,moon, barbie, all those grand
movies were, of course, passionprojects but this, I feel like,
is like the mid-major year forthat kind of thing, where these
are like if you want to equateit to like college basketball or
(48:11):
whatever.
This is the year where you geta lot of like 12 seeds that make
a lot of noise and have a sweet16 run.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well, I think it's also really interesting that,
like a ton of these movies areperiod pieces, right, like a ton
of these movies are are not setin our modern day day, and that
(48:37):
I I think that um obsessionwith trying to reach back in the
time machine and make thoseworlds come alive, it really
gives these movies somethingextra, because everything these
days in in our modern world,everything feels so fake and,
yeah, you know, performed,whereas a lot of these movies
(48:57):
and I think I've said a thousandtimes on this episode that like
just the physicality and thetactical sense of the attention
to detail in the art directionand the set direction, um it
just gives you something else toappreciate as an audience
member.
Yeah, it just gives you a littlesomething extra to chew on for
sure, yeah, well, we're about toget that in a big way.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Um, so that does it for us this week.
Join us next week as wecelebrate the new Epic Western
horizon colon, an American sagadash, chapter one.
Yes, that's all one movie, mrKevin Costner, the legend
himself, kevin.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Costner.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
He's.
I feel like this has been along time coming right.
This is probably everythingfrom.
You can say that everything hedid in the eighties and the
nineties then led into himwanting to make a show like
yellowstone with taylor sheridanand driving that to end up
being like one of the mostsuccessful television shows of
(49:59):
the 21st century, and theneverything he's then learned
from that experience is nowtranslating into what he hopes
to be a four-part horror moviesyeah, four film franchise insane
.
Um.
So we're going to talk aboutthat, that first film, chapter
one of horizon, an american saga, and then we will also do a
(50:20):
costner batting lineup, whichwill give us a chance to talk
about some of our favorite kevincostner movies.
You've slowly been collectingthe library preparing to do the
work.
There's a lot of good stuff inthere.
There's also a lot of longmovies he does, he does like a
long movie and he's all over theboard.
(50:40):
I don't, you know you probablyknow better than I do right now,
but I think he's probablystayed away from like the horror
genre and science fiction to acertain degree, because of
course there's things like waterworld, water world, the postman
.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I mean he, it's really weird Cause he like he's
kind of a weird dude right, hedoes feel the dreams and dances
with wolves, and then he's likenow I want to make what the
world would look like in apost-apocalyptic sense If we
(51:15):
were covered in water or ifthere was no water or.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Uh, you know, I'm gonna go make uh, he does dabble
in fucking horror too with mrbrooks, where he's like, yeah,
now I'm gonna be a serial killerhe's.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
He is all over the board, he, but at one time he
was the most bankable star inHollywood.
Easily.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Uh, so, and and also like kind of a weird, he's like
one of these, you know, he'skind of he wanted to be Robert
Redford, right, like he was thisbig actor, huge star, and then
he really wanted to also be afilmmaker.
Um, and you know BradleyCooper's doing that right now,
right, ooh, that's a really goodcomp.
(51:53):
So yeah, it's going to bereally interesting to really
dive into these movies.
I mean I love the Untouchables.
The Untouchables is fantasticand I think when he is in
someone else's hands, I think hecan be used really, really
effectively in something likeField of Dreams or the
Untouchables.
Then when he gets full control,you get stuff like Dances with
(52:17):
Wolves, waterworld, the Postman.
I mean those are all KevinCostner productions.
So it's going to be reallyinteresting to see American Saga
or Horizon Chapter 8.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'm excited.
One of the better trailers thatI'm excited.
One of the better trailers thatI've seen one of the better
trailers that I've watched now,granted, I don't watch a lot of
trailers, but Ooh, that's a,that's a heater.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, and listen.
If anyone's trying to keep theWestern alive, oh yeah, it's
this man, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I'm just excited because I get an opportunity to
clear out and talk about theupside of anger for five minutes
.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, absolutely, that's another weird left turn
he took.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yep, Just like an R-rated rom-com that kind of
nobody cared about.
But that he's so good.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
He's so good at that.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
It's the same with Joan Allen.
Shout out Joan Allen.
Okay.
So in the meantime, followExcuse the Intermission on
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Go into work tomorrow.
Put in some PTO for July 11th.
Come down to see us at EdisonSquare.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, please come join us.
It's going to be such a funtime.
We're going to be in the redchairs.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Bringing the studio to you.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, we're going to be on stage, we're going to be
taking audience.
Uh, you know, there you get towrite your Mount Rushmore, your
top four letterbox.
We'll analyze it and we willlook at it.
We will make fun of you, wewill also praise you.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Might give you my job .
Shit Depend on what your fourmovies are Absolutely Heck you
might be more qualified than us,probably.
Probably.
Um, I just talked about theupside of anger, sheesh.
Um, all right, so that that'sgonna be really fun, and so
we'll next week.
We will talk to you next timeon eti, where movies still
matter.
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I'm alex macaulay and I'm maxfosford, and this is excuse the
intermission a discussion showsurrounding our favorite films
of 2024 so far.
It's the end of june.
We have six months of releasesto unpack and five films each
that we want to celebrate forbeing the year's best.
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today.
All right, we're back.
Max, how are you doing today?
We've had a productive morninghere.
We have.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, we're making moves and doing tests, tests,
tech tests.
Um, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I can't believe we're halfway through the year and
we're already talking about topfives of 2024 it's kind of
insane, yeah, um, and also, too,we're just, we're real flexible
now that summer's finally hit.
First recording congratulationson another year made it, made it
out the other side, sanitystill intact.
Definitely get to practice alittle self-care now, something
(01:48):
that I'm always preaching to mystudents, and now I can actually
experience some of that formyself.
So, yeah, man, early morningpods, lots of golf, and then,
yeah, kind of what you alludedto tech test.
We were just down at EdisonSquare.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Really excited about the upcoming live show on July
11th.
That's going to be a ton of fun.
It's going to be amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Uh, I can't wait.
Uh, again, live show July 11th.
What?
1230 to two 30.
We we filmed a promo while wewere down there.
We hooked up our equipmentwhere we're live on the speakers
.
We're going to be on a stage.
Um, it's going to be.
Yeah, it's going to be thebright lights and big times we
got bright lights and big city.
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It's all to come away.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, I love to have to come away.
This is great Close to my house.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I love this budding partnership here with Edison
square.
But yeah, I mean, come down,get a burger at Radnor's really
good smash burgers right nextdoor.
Um, we're going to be playingmovie games.
We're going to be doing ourMount Rushmore's.
You're going to hear the wordletterbox thrown around a lot.
Um.
So yeah, come down, hang out,spend, spend your lunch break
(02:58):
with us, take the afternoon off,take the whole day off.
Um cause it's going to be a lotof fun.
You know, maybe we pop over tochurch cantina afterwards, I
don't know.
Just have a day.
Come have a day with us.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Absolutely, please do .
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, so let's let's talk about this year.
So far in movies, we're doingour own little mountain Rushmore
, plus one here today a top fiveof 2024.
How do you feel and I know thatat this time last year we were
right on the brink of 2023exploding do you feel like
(03:29):
there's some momentous eventthat's about to occur?
Obviously not to the samelevels as barbenheimer last year
, but I've seen a lot of chatterout there on instagram, on
reddit, of like everyone'sexcited, really excited, for
long legs, a lot of the moviesthat we talked about a couple of
weeks ago.
It feels like we're kind of ina holding pattern.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It's going to be interesting these next couple of
weeks just because, yeah, Ifeel like July is the or yeah,
july, july, end of June, july isthe meat of the season, right,
like this is like we're gettinga big western from kevin costner
this weekend, we're getting aquiet place movie, uh, this
(04:10):
weekend, that's.
That's like really taking overthe algorithm, because, I guess.
Jeff nichols was supposed or wasalmost the director of that
film and now he has a film outcurrently that's going to be
competing against that film.
You know, we've got.
We've got long legs, we've gottwisters still to come.
(04:32):
And then we have a future bestpicture winner of 2024.
A Marvel movie that you knowagain is like the hype is real
for that too.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And Wolverine Deadpool.
Yeah, wolverine.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Deadpool and will, yeah, wolverine Deadpool, and
will that say you know what isthat going to look like?
What is that going to do tothat group of movies?
What is that going to do to thebox office?
I think we're in the heat ofthe year.
No pun intended, but yeah, Idon't know.
(05:07):
It'll be interesting to see.
I think a lot rides on thisnext month as far as how good we
will look back on this movieyear.
Leading up to this year, I wasalways saying this is going to
be a stinker of a year.
I think it's turned out betterthan I thought.
Uh, you know, I liked thingslike kingdom of the planet of
(05:31):
the apes a lot better than Ithought I would.
Um, and then there's like beensome surprises.
Like I saw the tv glow or, uh,the dead don't hurt.
Uh, you know.
You know, I think challengers,you know hit man love lies
bleeding, like these are allreally like unique movies.
(05:52):
Uh, and then, you know, I thinkthere's definitely a surprise
favorite, I think on both of ourlists uh, that maybe has
exceeded and will continue toreally last a long time in our
movie collections.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I certainly agree with that.
I know exactly what.
I know exactly the film you'retalking about, a couple others
that I just want to give a shoutout to that, like these are
really serviceable movies that Iwould have no problem
recommending is like the fallguy I thought was totally fine.
Um, how to have sex is a reallygreat, important movie.
Furiosa I feel like aftersitting on that movie for almost
(06:28):
a month now, I have no problemswith Furiosa.
Stop Motion a really goodhorror film.
I think that I've been wishingand hoping and trying to kind of
manifest 2024 as like a greatyear for horror.
If I was going to pick onegenre that I think has done
really well so far this year, itis the scary movies that have
(06:48):
come out.
Because I'm just sort oflooking at my list and I don't
have I saw the TV glow as highas you do, but like I have it
above things like Lovely Darkand Deep Night, swim and Tarot,
and then above that is likeAbigail, and then you could put
Out of Darkness in that category, and then above that is like
Abigail, and then you could putout of darkness in that category
.
Stop motion immaculate, andthese are just like every single
one of these is just like alittle bit more exciting than
(07:09):
the next, and we're getting to areally exciting point in the
summer where, even beforeHalloween comes around and like
officially spooky season starts,where we're going to get things
like Terrifier 3 that are goingto be, I think, a little bit
more like you know, a couple ofyears ago, when a Terrifier
movie came out maybe not thatbig of a deal, but in 2024, I
think, will really help continueto carry that genre forward,
(07:29):
and so I'm really excited.
I don't really know, aside fromfrom Dune, which of course,
we're going to end up talkingabout here in a little bit, but
I'm not really sure what theOscar movies are so far from
this year where, like I'mlooking at my list and I'm like,
as it stands right now, insideout, two would probably get a
best picture nomination, yeah,um, and so that that might be
where this year is lacking alittle bit just in like the, the
(07:52):
real highbrow, criticallyacclaimed films.
I don't think we've gotten toomany of those quite yet, um, but
but a lot of room for somepersonal favorites yeah, you
know, and on that point ofhorror, something like late
night with the devil and in aviolent nature which, have you
know, made waves in the indiehorror space.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like I think, even though maybe my own personal
taste going into those, I Ithought they were okay and they
were fine.
I think those are the type ofmovies that are going to also
grow over time and and maybe welook back in a couple of years
and be like, okay, no, those,those are actually really
interesting horror movies thatno one had really done, that
(08:35):
kind of format or whatnot before.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I do think I saw that late night with the devil is
already getting like a boutiqueblueberry release from umbrella
or some some kind of.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I wouldn't be surprised if in a violent nature
.
I don't know if you've firedthat up yet, um, but it is.
It is terrence malick makes youknow friday the 13th.
Like it is a really interestingtake on a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Um no, that sounds that.
That's wow.
What a way to sell a movie tome.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah I'm not.
I think you'll really enjoy itokay, very cool.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Um, yeah, I've been.
There are a couple films Iwanted to get to for this
episode.
That was one of them the beast,this new lais, I do film.
There's another movie that Iwanted to watch before this
episode, but I've been grindingaway on house of dragon.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I gave up on that show hot d yeah, some hot d I
gave up on it too early a coupleof years ago now.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Whatever, however long it's been, um, but I'm I'm
back hooked and I'm trying tocatch up for season two.
So that's where a lot of myfree time has gone.
But of course, my life is justfull of free time now so we'll
get to a lot of these othermovies that have already um come
out and and make sure.
I really want to make sure, likeright now, how many movies I'm.
I'm only in like the high 30sright now for 2024 releases.
(09:49):
I definitely want to get thatnumber probably up to like 80 or
90 by the end of the year.
I'm exactly at 30 um and yeah, Ithink last year I was around
like 73, 75 um, I know at thebeginning of the year we both
kind of said a movie resolutionfor the year was maybe to watch
less things Um, but at the sametime, though, now I'm like I'm
(10:11):
really excited about this year.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think the second half of this year is
going to be it's, it's exciting,it's always exciting.
Uh, you know, once you get tothis point of the year, it's
because, again we've gottenthrough a lot of the fat we've
gotten through a lot of thestuff that we were kind of
fearing, um, and now we get tohopefully enjoy some great
(10:35):
summer blockbuster stuff.
And then and then we get intoaward award season and like
that's always my favorite time,from like September to, you know
, january is like that's when Ireally feel like some of my
favorite movies have been comingout For sure.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Okay.
Well, let's talk about ourfavorites from this year so far.
We'll start with our numberfives.
I'll go first, because I, ofcourse, have a little wrinkle in
the five spot.
I'm cheating on five as well.
That's how we do it.
Man In the five spot I'mcheating on five as well.
That's how we do it, man.
So this I think I did this onlast year's episode as well,
(11:13):
with the Weeknd's live concertthat was broadcast on HBO Max
live from SoFi.
It was just a fantasticproduction.
Same vibes right now with thepop out Ken and Friends.
This came out just last week, Ibelieve Kendrick and this is
the Kendrick Lamar like thepublic murdering of Drake.
Yeah, it was the execution.
Um, and so I I mean I justdidn't even hesitate.
(11:35):
I gave this five stars.
It's available to log onletterboxd.
Um but it was live streamed onAmazon prime and you can find it
now on YouTube.
I'm sure Prime will get thesame broadcast they had live put
up on demand on their streamingservice.
But just a remarkablecollection of Los Angeles hip
(11:55):
hop artists from our generation,from the current generation,
old school artists.
They did it at the LA Forum andso a real historic venue.
It's right there in Inglewood,california.
But by the time Kendrick comesout and he basically does like
an hour-long session, anhour-long set to end it I felt
(12:17):
like I was watching.
Every year I'll try to watchlike the Coachella live stream
or any of these big musicfestivals that do a live stream.
I mean, I was just like sohyped up, moving around in my
living room, like getting allexcited.
A lot of my favorite hip hopartists are featured on here.
Like I went crazy when YG comesout.
There's this really cool.
Like black hippie reunion withschoolboy Q and all the people
(12:40):
that kind of came up withKendrick there in the 2010s.
So a nostalgic watch for me, areally cool.
It felt like a really importantmoment for hip hop.
Like you had a bunch of oldheads there, dr Dre's there.
You had a lot of people fromjust like the Los Angeles
community there, who you knoware just like part of the
culture and also grew up withthis music.
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Like LeBron James is there,russell Westbrook's there, demar
DeRozan's there, All thesepeople that either, like, played
college basketball and grew upwith this movie in Los Angeles
or currently play on, you know,professional Los Angeles sports
teams.
Um, the aforementioned theweekend was there in the crowd,
just kind of like all thesepeople coming together for
Kendrick, for hip hop, but yes,also for the, the uh the weekend
(13:22):
was there, but he wasn't onstage no, because he's he's
canada, he's he's toronto.
So this was really, but you knowhe's there in support, he's
yeah that's cool.
That's the other thing too,where it's like that's.
That's interesting too, becausedrake's toronto oh, yeah, yeah
no I mean, the weekend hasn'tbeen as involved in this
kendrick drake beef, but um, hewas on that metro boomin mixtape
(13:43):
that came out.
Um, of course, kind of startedall of this, and so he's clearly
picked a side and it's Kendrickand that's the other thing.
It's just like Kendrick doesthe diss tracks towards Drake
and he plays him like over andover, back to back and the crowd
singing along.
And if you look at the reviewson Letterboxd for this film, it
is hilarious.
And for this production, Idon't really know what to call.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
it's just, you know, it's a concert video, concert
movie hey man uh you know we had, we had a huge concert movie
last year too.
I I think it's it's part of thecanon, it is it's there, um,
but they're hilarious.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's just like wow.
I didn't think that you couldput like an execution on on live
streaming or whatever, becauseit is.
Uh, it's everything that Ialready said, but then it is
also just such a shot at atdrake, which is hilarious.
I've never been the biggestdrake fan, so, um, if you do
like drake's music, you know, nooffense or anything like that.
I'm sure we can still be greatfriends, but you probably
(14:37):
wouldn't want to watch thisbecause, um, yes, it's for the
record.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Eti is on kendrick's side, we are team kendrick.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yes, yeah, so that's, that's my number five.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The uh, the pop out canon friends, uh so I feel
really strong about my top four.
My number five kind of has beenswitching really honestly,
based on like kind of recencybias and new movies.
So I I think I, to do itjustice, I'm gonna have two
(15:06):
movies at my number five oh,okay but again they are the most
.
Two most recent movies I've seenin in theaters, which is inside
out 2 and the bike riders, uh,from jeff nichols.
Uh, inside out 2, you know wedid a whole episode on it.
I, I, I still think it'sprobably the best, definitely
the best animated movie that'scome out this year and, like you
(15:29):
were saying, could it be in theOscar race for best picture?
I think it definitely could.
It will be really interestingto see if they do an Inside Out
3, but if they were to end ithere, I think it's a perfect
one-two punch with the first,inside Out.
Again, a great message in it, apoignant message, but also a
(15:51):
universal message, not just forone type of person.
And beautiful animation, really, really fucking funny.
The comedy talent in that isfantastic.
So really, really enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Inside out too, it's also like the tyrannosaurus rex
of the box office so far thisyear.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, like I mean it's the winner.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Dune dune did its thing, of course, but this movie
is like approaching barbielevel.
Domestic numbers like it'sgonna go down is probably one of
of, if not the most successfulfilm of the 2020 so far, once
it's out of theaters.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, and I think that's a testament to how good
it is.
The other movie is the BikeRiders.
A very different movie, a verymasculine movie, a very dad rock
movie Like.
It reminded me a lot of Fordversus Ferrari movie.
A very dad rock movie likereminded me a lot of ford vs
ferrari.
You know, and that's kind ofanytime you do any sort of
racing movie or motorcycle movieor whatever you're gonna get
that um, it also like had a lotof ties or a lot of nods to uh
(16:57):
like something like goodfellas,like, honestly, the first three
minutes like it is, it's acomplete homage to, to the
goodfellas voiceover yeah,totally.
Um, and I think you know it'sabout this biker gang, but it's
told from the perspective of uhkathy, who is the girlfriend of
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one of the bikers, and she'sdoing voiceover through the
whole movie and she has a lot.
There's a lot in common withthe Karen character from
Goodfellas and this lovetriangle, really, of Austin
Butler, tom Hardy and JodieComer.
Tom Hardy is electric, homer.
(17:44):
Tom Hardy is electric.
That guy is such an excitingperformer on screen.
I don't care if he's doing asilly voice as long as he
doesn't have something coveringhis face.
Even when he has a mask on right.
He is so cool and so in commandwhen he's on screen in this
(18:07):
movie that it's amazing.
And he's doing this weird likeperformative, like his character
is performing as Marlon Brando,because there's a scene where
he literally is watching theWild One, which is a Marlon
Brando motorcycle movie, andthat's what makes him want to
start a motorcycle club, and sothen he tries to be that
(18:28):
character from that movie.
It's really layers of weirdness, uh.
And then awesome butler.
I think awesome butler has like16 lines in the movie, all
vibes.
He's just smoldering, just heis just staring at people and
looking so distraught.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And handsome, I'm sure, and handsome yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Like the most handsome, like there is no biker
ever who looked like AustinButler.
But yeah, he does an excellentjob at it and when he does speak
like because he, he speaks, hedoesn't speak a lot.
You're just, you're kind of onthe edge of your seat, um.
(19:12):
And then jody comer, who isalso doing a crazy voice, uh,
even though it's been reportedthat like it is like almost spot
on to the real kathy character,uh, and from real life, um, um,
is is fantastic.
She's really really good.
Jodi Comer, is she now you knowthe last her CV now of movies?
(19:36):
I mean, she is someone whoshould be considered maybe every
year for for an Oscar.
Like, I think she is that good.
Yeah, she was nominated forfree guy yeah.
No, she is that good.
Yeah, she was nominated forfree guy.
Yeah, no, she is really.
(19:57):
She's really good.
Yeah, she's awesome, yeah.
So, and you know, jeff nicholsmovies I don't think it's the
best jeff nichols movie.
I don't think it's the worst.
I I don't think there is a badjeff nichols movie.
Uh, he is such an interestingfilmmaker because he is someone
who has really operated in likethe indie space for so long and
it takes a lot of time betweenprojects takes a ton of time.
He's not a prolific writer he,you know, he, he, but he he is
(20:19):
so good at attention to detailin his films and listening to
him on interviews or readingabout his interviews this past
week, it's amazing what theywere able to create a 1960s
world within this movie and theydo it beautifully.
(20:40):
Just a beautiful movie.
Very adult drama, again, verydad rock.
It's very dad rock, but likeit's a lot of fun and there's a
lot of you know, a lot of dudes,a lot of dudes just showing up
for cups of coffee, like normanreedus or michael shannon, of
course, boyd holbrook oh um, youknow a lot of like.
(21:04):
It's just, it's just a greattime and it captures a really
cool culture that I don't thinkwe've seen on screen in a long
time.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Very cool yeah, that's, that's on the list.
Once, uh, I have like a weekleft of of data and then it's
like, right, we need to get outto the theaters and catch some
of this stuff before it hits ondemand, and that's certainly one
of them.
Okay, my next film, much likemy fifth film, is um, it's in
the top five in large part tothe music and that is
(21:31):
challengers.
Um, this is my number four,okay, perfect.
So, yeah, both of our numberfours, I should say too.
Going back to to um, the pop-up,ken and friends, I feel like in
in my 30s here I've I'vedefinitely stopped listening to
like contemporary rap, and so Ithink that's and I, you know,
talked a little bit about likethere's some nostalgia baked
(21:51):
into there, um, but I think itwould just be really funny what
what the drake and kendrick beefdid for hip-hop music and kind
of getting quote-unquote likeold heads like me back into the
genre would just be really funnyif that was happening in other
um music spaces.
Like my favorite artist isprobably lana del rey, right,
(22:13):
now and if, like lana, just wentafter taylor swift or somebody?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
billy eilish or billy eilish.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They're kind of the same sphere totally or lord or
somebody just like decided tojust throw down.
I think that'd be so exciting.
I like if glass animals justwent after tame and paula or
something like these othergenres of music that I think I
probably like more than hip-hop.
Now that'd be really funny tosee trinaticus going after
fucking ludwig, or yeah, exactlyexactly would be just really
(22:43):
funny to see how societyresponded to that and and if
people would even care the waythey do when, when rappers go at
each other.
But I digress because we aretalking about um trent, trent
resner and atticus ross in largepart here with challengers.
I have this movie at three andthen slipped to four, really by
no fault of its own, and that'smore to do with another movie
that's still to come here on mylist.
But I think this movie is just.
(23:05):
It's such a testament to how,how an exciting and talented
filmmaker can continue to showyou something new when you think
you've seen it all.
And now that can be in a sportsfilm, because this is.
This film is shot and edited ina way that not very many sports
(23:27):
films are approached, and theaction in this movie is
fantastic and you can read allyou want about how well it was,
like Zendaya saying well, I veryrarely hit an actual tennis
ball.
All that CGI, it doesn't matterbecause it looks great, it's
not, you know, like you'rewatching the mighty ducks or
whatever.
And it's obviously a fake hockeypuck flying through the air or
something like that.
Like this movie looks so goodand so I feel like in the
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performances are obviously great.
But I think what I've come toappreciate about this movie so
much is just all the technicaleffort that went in to making it
.
Um, and then all theperformances.
They kind of just they'resublime in a way where, like I
think they're actually probablygoing to be at the end of the
year like underappreciated,because I think people will just
continue to praise the craft somuch, which is great.
(24:13):
That's just.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's, uh, an indicator of a really
well-rounded movie, I feel like,yeah, I think it's really
special because it's athree-hander, but each of those
characters get a really likeawesome moment throughout the
film, and I, I agree, I thinkthe performances in this film
are some of the best we've seenof the year, and you know
(24:36):
whether it's Mike Foss in the inthe sauna, that's the one that
like really stands out to me.
Um, when he's talking to JoshO'Connor's's character and you
know talking about like oh I, Idon't even think about you or
you're, then why are you here?
you know the performances arestellar, but also on the
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technical level, it is one ofthe best it could.
It is the best sports movie ofthe 2020s.
Uh, up to this point, right I,I can't even think of another
sports movie of the 2020s.
Uh, up to this point, right I,I can't even think of another
sports movie, cause we don'teven really make sports movies
anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Um, so to layer it, and I think it's also a really
interesting examination of likesex in movies.
Right Like I, I was having thisconversation with someone the
other day.
Like you know, the tennis inchallengers is a stand in for
sex, because we don't show sexin movies anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Zendaya even has that line when she's talking to the
boys at that first party afterher, like juniors win or
whatever, where she's talkingabout being locked in with her
opponent and for that briefamount of time when you know
that that person's operating onthe same level as you.
Like it euphoric?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
yeah, it's totally an allegory for sex totally, and
so I, I think, also historically, we're going to look back at
this movie and be like this wasa weird, this was a weird time,
yeah, when we were, we wereshying away from that and I, I,
I do hope, I, I think movieshave always been a a good space
to explore that, that side ofhumanity, and like I think we
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need to get back to beingcomfortable, you know, having
sex in our movies.
But I think this will be areally interesting piece of
history to go back and watch,even just the Luca movies in
general and under a microscope.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Right they always approach sex in a very nuanced
way.
Yeah, which is so interesting,because all of his films, even
suspiria, a lot of suspiria, hasto do with sexuality.
Yeah, yeah, um, so, challengers, I mean it's, it's right there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's also probably in the best picture race, as, as
we stand, I hope today, um Ireally I hope it didn't come out
too early yeah, right you knowwhat, if, what?
If challengers was coming outin july like you, that would
have been really exciting.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It would have been.
I do think it came out at theright time, though, because we
needed it there at the beginningof the spring, that's true, um,
but you're right, it does feel,perhaps, like it's maybe fallen
out of favor just a little bit,but, but I but I mean so have
some of the other films here onour list.
Um, and even things that havecome out within the last like
month.
Yeah, Um okay, so that was bothof our number fours.
I'll go to my number three thenlisten.
(27:18):
Number three on my list, numberone in my hearts, and we can
save it right now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I have it at number two, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Let's just wait then.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, uh, my number three, again a movie.
I think that would havesucceeded more if it had come
out during the summer because,uh, and that is Alex Garland's
civil war and, again, on atechnical level, some of the
best sound design I've everheard in a movie as far as, like
warfare sound of sound design Ilove.
(27:49):
I love that we're dropped intothis movie I, in the middle of
this conflict.
I love that there is no reallylike origin story of it or you
know you have to pick a side oranything.
It's told through the lens ofjournalists, so it's very
objective.
Um, I know it got into a lot oftrouble with, like, the AI
(28:16):
posters that it created orwhatever as part of its
marketing, but I really thinkCivil War is like one of the
best made movies of the year sofar and you know, again, the
performances there.
There there's a there's alittle inconsistency throughout
the movie with Kirsten Dunst'scharacter and you know Alex
Garland's kind of known for thatwith his female characters, and
so you can, you got to go inwith a little bit of grain of
(28:38):
salt with that, um, if you wantto nitpick, but watching this
movie in theaters was still likeone of the most like thrilling
IMAX watches I've had in areally long time.
Um, I can't wait for it to comeon physical.
It's definitely on the list toto own.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, it's, it's out there and it's the the 4k steel
book which.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I think I've shown you the cover for already sold
out on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.
So again, I hope a movie thatdoesn't like fall to the wayside
, uh, and you know it, maybe,and I I feel like, because it's
so objective, it didn't like setthe world on fire like people
were saying it was going to um,so yeah, I just love, I love
civil war.
(29:25):
I can't wait to to fire it athome.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
A summer release would have been really
interesting, and I'm justthinking now.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
imagine if this film would have came Fourth of.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
July, well, or even wait till the fall, when the
presidential campaigns arereally going.
That would have been a veryinteresting time.
And then maybe, even though itis a lot less divisive than I
think people anticipated, theNick Offerman character is not
as flamboyant as you mightexpect for a president and
(29:53):
something like this or in a filmlike this.
I think even as the moviestands right now, had it come
out, like you know, in the fall,people may have responded a
little bit stronger to it.
But still, maybe that's, maybethat's great.
Maybe that was intentionalbecause it did just kind of come
out in a time in which youcould consume it and hopefully
I'm sure garland's intention wasjust to appreciate it for, like
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what you were saying, the lackof exposition, go into it and
like just kind of, uh yeah, withthe kirsten dunst and kaylee
spaining characters it's, it'sinteresting.
But like just kind of try tosee yourself in in the role of
somebody like this during one ofthese times.
Because honestly, with allthese, with all the action films
(30:36):
that come out, whether it is amovie about warfare or not, it's
usually kind of hard to try tosee yourself in some of those
characters.
It's a lot easier in a movielike this to to about who would
you be, how would you feel, howwould you navigate this space.
So I think that was probablyeasier to do with a spring
release with this movie.
Yeah, totally Okay.
(30:56):
Well, now it's time for thefirst omen.
Number three for me, number twofor you.
Yeah, I think this is one ofthose cases where I'm trying to
uphold a little bit of criticalintegrity, journalistic
integrity, whatever you want tocall it.
I haven't had as much funwatching a movie this year as I
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have had with the first omen.
I haven't seen a movie morethan I've seen the first omen.
I think I've seen it four timesnow this year.
I mean you're doing Satan'swork.
Just yeah, man talk about justtalk about a banger of a film.
This is it.
This movie goes so hard.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
This is one of those movies that, like I, am so
excited to like show people.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Uh, you know, I went over to our friend Andy's house
a couple of weeks ago andbecause they wanted to do a
movie night and it was just noquestion, I was like first omen
that's what we're watchingbecause they were like what's
what's been good this year?
You need to experience firstomen.
You need to experience our, ourgirl, uh, tiger getting out of
(32:04):
the car free.
Yeah, oh, dude that scenegetting out of the car and doing
the shakes that feels thatscene feels like there's
something else happening.
It feels like it should be.
It feels like it's cgi, butit's not.
I know, I know it's remarkableyeah it's.
(32:25):
It's just an amazing, a great,great film and it's so good like
especially watching it withpeople who haven't seen it, like
you know the turn or the twist.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know is hidden well enough.
The hand, the devil's hand,birthing scene In broad daylight
Is way more graphic than Iremember, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's not something you see just once either.
I love that's one of myfavorite thing about the imagery
in this movie, where it'ssubtle but also there was so
much intentionality in thedirecting to where like, and of
course, every single frame ofevery single movie has intention
behind it.
But this movie really feelslike they are just using every
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single inch of the screen.
Yeah, where, like when Ire-watched it I think it was my
third time was really when I waslike okay, I, I'm past the
comprehension stage.
I understand the twist, the Iknow what to look for in a sense
.
But also I can really juststart to appreciate all these
little moments, like when she'sfirst back in the flat with her
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roommate and there are just likelong holds where the corners of
the room are dark and she'sseeing things.
There's no music cues though fora jump scare or anything like
that, and it is just sounnerving like this movie really
starts to turn up.
This goes from like I mean, ithas a great great start right,
(33:55):
great cold open here, with thepriests, um two great actors too
, right on screen right away.
So it sucks you in with charlesdance and ralph einstein, but
then it it just kind of likeholds at like a low, medium for
a minute and then probably aboutlike the 40 minute mark.
We are way past like mediumhigh and cooking and I love that
(34:15):
about this movie is the pacingI think is about as good as you
can do in a horror film, and Iknow that we both buck on the
last like two minutes of themovie the last like minute, and
it's so dumb, dumb, but it'shonestly one of these.
I find it like a little moreendearing now because I'm just
kind of like oh, you thought youhad to do this you didn't have
(34:36):
to do this, like you had us.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You know um, but it is you had me a jackal.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, you had me at the fleshy sack, um in the music
.
So yeah, I don't know this it's.
It's kind of a perfect movielike it's.
I know youhy sack in the music.
So yeah, I don't know, it'skind of a perfect movie Like
it's.
I know you put that in yourmost recent review too, where
you were just like I kind ofcan't find anything wrong with
this movie, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think one of my favorite screens or frames of
this film and it's such like alike obvious thing, but I I
didn't really notice it untilthe second watch is when, I
think, after a lot of like theuh turmoil and conflict has
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happened, she goes to the, thechurch altar or whatever and
she's praying oh, dude, I knowwhat you're talking about.
And we pull out yep and likeshe's in the mouth of the devil
yes, with the candles it'sabsolutely brilliant because
when you first see it, when youfirst see it you're just like,
oh wow, look at all thosecandles, what, what a what a
cool set.
(35:37):
But then, like on multiplewatches, you're just like, oh my
god, that's a face, those areteeth, they're the eyes, like.
And you see that face, Ibelieve, on like one of the
floor paintings in somebody'sroom or one of the rooms that
you're walking around in.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And, yeah, it's just that's the attention to detail
that I've just come to loveabout this movie is that it not
only operates so well as ahorror film but it's it's a
really really.
So it takes place 1971, rome,and it is such a good period
piece and it's really like it's,it's ambitious in its attempt
(36:16):
to be a period piece as well.
It's not like I mean the moviethat it gets compared to.
A lot is immaculate and I'veseen some R lists that have
immaculate above it, others thathave first omen in front of
immaculate.
I think it's first omen all theway Is immaculate modern.
I think it's first omen all theway Is immaculate modern times.
It's modern times, yeah, but ina way that, like you wouldn't
(36:37):
necessarily have to make it be,because that's such a confined
story where you don't reallyleave the church in the
Montessori that they are at,whereas that would have been
easy to do here.
Set it in 1971.
And basically you just liketake away technology and you
call it good or whatever.
But there are times like when,um, when you first land in Italy
(36:57):
and there's this huge sweepingshot of the airport and we're
leaving and all the cars andeverything like that, just
incredible production design.
Yeah, the costume scene when wego out dancing it's remarkable.
There's scenes on the streetsand then a scene that, like, is
so good that I'm so happy theyput into the film so that it
wasn't just like we're justgoing to do this once or
whatever to try to set you in.
(37:18):
But then when, like, the fieldtrip goes back out into the city
to the museum and theprotesters have their huge
demonstration and there's, likeyou know, nell Tiger free is
starting to to like she'shallucinating these tentacles
wrapping around her, um, and inthese visions and it's smoky
because of, like, the grenadesthat are going off and
(37:40):
everything like that, it's, it's, it seems like that where I'm
like this is just such a flexright now like the art direction
, everything the vision is sogood.
I know we've been praising thismovie a lot and this is like
this is my big call to actionfor this, for this podcast.
If you haven't seen it, even ifyou don't like horror films,
like, just fire this up.
(38:01):
Yeah, it's so good.
And it's so good because itactually is scary.
Like I understand if you don'tlike scary movies, but everybody
has a scary movie that theylike.
This could be one of those foryou.
Yeah, like this is a movie thatyou don't need to know the
backstory, really, of the otherOmen films, because it predates
all of those.
Just go into it, expect a wild.
(38:23):
Like this movie.
And again here, though, likefull disclaimer, this movie was
almost rated in C-17.
Like, this movie has some wildimagery in it.
This movie was almost rated NC17.
Like, this movie has some wildimagery in it.
Like, if you want a scary movie, if you want to see how to do a
horror film right in 2024, thisis this is the one for you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, and nothing gets taken away by
watching it on a TV screeneither, like it's still totally
works.
Yeah, plays really well.
Yeah, okay, so that was yournumber two two.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
It was my number three.
My number two is dune, which Iwouldn't be surprised if that's
your number one.
That is my number one, I meanagain, one that we've talked
about a lot a ton.
It's really easy to re-watch.
Um, it's kind of one that Ijust put on.
You know, it's streaming on max, so it's really fun to have on
the.
The quotability of this film, Ifeel like, far exceeds the
first one, and that's maybe oneof my favorite things about it,
is that, like, as you'rewatching it, there's a bunch of
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different moments and littlelike vignettes within the film
that you can start to lookforward to, not so much because,
like, oh, this is a big actionset piece or whatever, but just
the different interactions withthe characters, like Javier
Bardem.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Javier has become that character has become a meme
.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm in a group text, uh about you know, we're going
on a boy's trip, and someonesaid something about, like you
know, cause we're going toArizona, it's going to be hot
out and it's like I'm just goingto wear, you know, a big cloak
to cover myself and like,immediately someone says, sends
a picture of Javier in thismovie.
Like he is the one, yeah, asit's written.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So so so I love it for that.
I also love what it's just done, for there's been a lot.
It's been interesting.
I know you've seen the samevideos.
We've been sent this video, Ithink, like in a group chat
before, um, but kind of how onceupon a time in hollywood nabbed
like sydney, sweeney, austin.
(40:12):
Butler, all these superstars,margaret Qualley, early in their
career, and you look at thatfilm and you're like, wow, yeah,
of course it's always going tobe remembered for Margot Robbie
and Leo and Brad Pitt andeverything like that.
But you look at the youngtalent and the film.
All these people are superstarsalready.
But I still think that in fiveor 10 more years, when you look
back at the cast of Dune 2, youwant to talk about like an
(40:34):
Avengers movie that isn't asuperhero film.
Yeah, this is going to be likeblowing people's minds that you
had Zendaya and Florence Pughand Timothee Chalamet and Austin
Butler and Léa Seydoux all inthe same film.
Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And but then also, like josh roland, all the
veterans christopher walken, yep.
Javier bardem yeah, rebeccaferguson, charlotte rampling,
charlotte rampling, yeah, yeah,listen, I don't know if
anything's going to come to thescale of what dune dune 2 has
been this year and like again,again on the technical side of
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things, like it's just aremarkable piece of film to
especially to experience in animax or any theater, any huge
screen like it is.
Like denny is just such amaster of creating the world and
enveloping you in it and uh, I,I, I, I want something to to
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challenge it in my number onespot, but I just it's such a
thoroughbred right.
I just don't know, yeah, I justdon't know what will.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, and and I can't imagine, even if something like
long legs, which hopefully doesthe same thing on a different
level, um to me, comes along andand is thought of.
Um, you know personally, islike a four and a half or a five
star film.
The scale and the scope and theaccomplishment to pull off
(42:02):
something like dune part two isstill always going to put it
above anything else, like it'sin in.
It's interesting, because Iknow that so many people felt
that way about oppenheimer lastyear.
Yeah, and it's, I think, whythat movie ended up being the
favorite over something likebarbie or killers of the flower,
(42:22):
moon or anything else that cameout last year.
Just because of theaccomplishment to to pull off
movie Dune part two.
And this will always be like,well, looking back at this
decade, this will probably beone of the greatest like
unanswered questions, like funthings to play with, and we've
mentioned it before.
But like, had those two filmscome out in the same year
Oppenheimer and Dune part twohow would the Academy, how would
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critics, how would people havestacked them up against each
other?
Because everything about Dunepart two just feels bigger than
that movie.
Like you said, I think it's,it's just going to be bigger
than anything else that we seethis year, um, aside from
twisters, of course.
But it's just, it's gonna bereally, really hard to beat.
It really is twisters, man, Ijust can't wait for that eight
(43:07):
hour pod um, okay, and then themovie that's just held, uh, at
the top of my list all year longis the taste of things yeah and
this movie is just I.
I'm, I feel, another rewatchcoming up here, because now it's
summertime, I'm in the house alot.
I'm cooking three square meals aday, it feels great, not to
like just miss lunch six out ofseven days a week, Um, cause I'm
(43:30):
working through it, but like tobe in the kitchen, to be
cooking, to have the windowsopen, sun's flooding in.
I mean, you know what time Iwas up this morning like sun is
just pouring in through thehouse at all hours of the day
right now.
This is the perfect movie forthat.
Um.
I saw a couple other friendsreview this movie on letterbox
recently.
They, they, they saw and, mostimportantly, heard the same
(43:51):
things that I heard.
That, like this movie puts younot only like in the kitchen,
but in the saucepan.
It puts you in the pantry.
Just like the sounds of thismovie, the visuals of things
being cooked.
It's so remarkable.
Juliet binoche she could be asneaky, but again, now see, this
is where this is tough to talkabout.
This is a 2024 movie, becausethis movie was released in
(44:14):
competition for all the awardslast year.
2023, yeah, um, but we justdidn't get it as an american
release until this year.
So that's why it's still on mylist for this year, but like I
don't know in what world, she'snot nominated for best actress
in this movie.
It's just kind of like, besidesme, um, because this is a movie
that certainly has had itssmall moment and it's probably
(44:35):
just gone.
Now, um, at the end of the year, depending on how you know,
different uh, critics createtheir list, it might have
another little resurgence whenpeople like, oh, what is this
movie.
Like I thought this was arelease from last year.
However, like I thought thiswas a release from last year,
however it gets interpreted, soit's not totally dead and buried
.
I still want to sing its praisesbecause I just think it's one
of the most.
(44:56):
It's an enjoyable movie.
It's also a sad movie, but it'sjust kind of one of the best,
like romantic, adult, romanticlove stories, a movie about
people's passions.
It's just really effective,like on there.
And that's kind of the onlyreason why I have it above dune
right now, because, even thoughthe scale and the scope of dune
is so great, I feel like, youknow, in another world, in
(45:19):
another league, in another sport.
This movie is doing.
It's doing as much as dune isdoing, but just like on this
estate in france, as opposed toon another planet in outer space
.
You know um so the taste ofthings is, I I still think,
probably the most effectivemovie that I've seen, from an
(45:44):
objective standpoint standpointas far as like connecting with
me emotionally, like the firstomen, the most fun that I've had
and, I think, the movie thatwill endure the longest and that
I will watch the most from thisyear dune part two, the best
spectacle, the bestquote-unquote movie, going
experience that I've had thisyear.
(46:05):
But the taste of things, justlike, as far as emotionally
resonating with me, it's numberone right now.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
So there's that thank you, sir um all right.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
We already talked about most of our honorable
mentions.
Anything else you want to getout there, though I don't have
too many more.
I'm glad you brought up civilwar.
I'm glad that was still in yourtop five, because it's eight
for me.
I have furiosa at seven,immaculate at six, hitman's
right outside the, or it's rightat ten.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I've got Hitman at nine.
You know I can't remember if Italked about the Dead.
Don't Hurt, that's a just astraightforward old school
western, you know, written anddirected by Viggo Mortensen.
He also stars in the movie.
He also scored the movie.
So it's a big passion projectfor him.
By Viggo Mortensen.
He also stars in the movie.
He also scored the movie.
(46:52):
Um, so it's a big passionpassion project for him.
Uh, but, and I guess when I sayold fashioned Western, like, it
is just very, it is very much aa American Western movie, but it
does kind of subvert theWestern tropes a bit, um, and I
really enjoyed watching that, uh, in theaters.
(47:14):
It does kind of subvert theWestern tropes a bit and I
really enjoyed watching that intheaters.
It was great.
It was part of a double featureday with In a Violent Nature,
which was a really interestingday.
But yeah, it's just a greatslow burn of a Western and
please go again.
On the technical level and onthe art direction level it's
(47:40):
fantastic and Vigo does such agood job at paying attention to
detail and making you feel likeit is a tactical, physical world
that you're watching.
Um, so yeah, I would recommendgo go check that out.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Hopefully that's the reputation that 2024 has in a
couple of years.
Is that, like, this is the yearof?
Not that there weren't passionprojects last year right,
because Killers of the Flower,moon, barbie, all those grand
movies were, of course, passionprojects but this, I feel like,
is like the mid-major year forthat kind of thing, where these
are like if you want to equateit to like college basketball or
(48:11):
whatever.
This is the year where you geta lot of like 12 seeds that make
a lot of noise and have a sweet16 run.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well, I think it's also really interesting that,
like a ton of these movies areperiod pieces, right, like a ton
of these movies are are not setin our modern day day, and that
(48:37):
I I think that um obsessionwith trying to reach back in the
time machine and make thoseworlds come alive, it really
gives these movies somethingextra, because everything these
days in in our modern world,everything feels so fake and,
yeah, you know, performed,whereas a lot of these movies
(48:57):
and I think I've said a thousandtimes on this episode that like
just the physicality and thetactical sense of the attention
to detail in the art directionand the set direction, um it
just gives you something else toappreciate as an audience
member.
Yeah, it just gives you a littlesomething extra to chew on for
sure, yeah, well, we're about toget that in a big way.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Um, so that does it for us this week.
Join us next week as wecelebrate the new Epic Western
horizon colon, an American sagadash, chapter one.
Yes, that's all one movie, mrKevin Costner, the legend
himself, kevin.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Costner.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
He's.
I feel like this has been along time coming right.
This is probably everythingfrom.
You can say that everything hedid in the eighties and the
nineties then led into himwanting to make a show like
yellowstone with taylor sheridanand driving that to end up
being like one of the mostsuccessful television shows of
(49:59):
the 21st century, and theneverything he's then learned
from that experience is nowtranslating into what he hopes
to be a four-part horror moviesyeah, four film franchise insane
.
Um.
So we're going to talk aboutthat, that first film, chapter
one of horizon, an american saga, and then we will also do a
(50:20):
costner batting lineup, whichwill give us a chance to talk
about some of our favorite kevincostner movies.
You've slowly been collectingthe library preparing to do the
work.
There's a lot of good stuff inthere.
There's also a lot of longmovies he does, he does like a
long movie and he's all over theboard.
(50:40):
I don't, you know you probablyknow better than I do right now,
but I think he's probablystayed away from like the horror
genre and science fiction to acertain degree, because of
course there's things like waterworld, water world, the postman
.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I mean he, it's really weird Cause he like he's
kind of a weird dude right, hedoes feel the dreams and dances
with wolves, and then he's likenow I want to make what the
world would look like in apost-apocalyptic sense If we
(51:15):
were covered in water or ifthere was no water or.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Uh, you know, I'm gonna go make uh, he does dabble
in fucking horror too with mrbrooks, where he's like, yeah,
now I'm gonna be a serial killerhe's.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
He is all over the board, he, but at one time he
was the most bankable star inHollywood.
Easily.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Uh, so, and and also like kind of a weird, he's like
one of these, you know, he'skind of he wanted to be Robert
Redford, right, like he was thisbig actor, huge star, and then
he really wanted to also be afilmmaker.
Um, and you know BradleyCooper's doing that right now,
right, ooh, that's a really goodcomp.
(51:53):
So yeah, it's going to bereally interesting to really
dive into these movies.
I mean I love the Untouchables.
The Untouchables is fantasticand I think when he is in
someone else's hands, I think hecan be used really, really
effectively in something likeField of Dreams or the
Untouchables.
Then when he gets full control,you get stuff like Dances with
(52:17):
Wolves, waterworld, the Postman.
I mean those are all KevinCostner productions.
So it's going to be reallyinteresting to see American Saga
or Horizon Chapter 8.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'm excited.
One of the better trailers thatI'm excited.
One of the better trailers thatI've seen one of the better
trailers that I've watched now,granted, I don't watch a lot of
trailers, but Ooh, that's a,that's a heater.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, and listen.
If anyone's trying to keep theWestern alive, oh yeah, it's
this man, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I'm just excited because I get an opportunity to
clear out and talk about theupside of anger for five minutes
.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, absolutely, that's another weird left turn
he took.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yep, Just like an R-rated rom-com that kind of
nobody cared about.
But that he's so good.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
He's so good at that.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
It's the same with Joan Allen.
Shout out Joan Allen.
Okay.
So in the meantime, followExcuse the Intermission on
Instagram and the two of us onLetterboxd to track what we're
watching between shows.
Go into work tomorrow.
Put in some PTO for July 11th.
Come down to see us at EdisonSquare.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, please come join us.
It's going to be such a funtime.
We're going to be in the redchairs.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Bringing the studio to you.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, we're going to be on stage, we're going to be
taking audience.
Uh, you know, there you get towrite your Mount Rushmore, your
top four letterbox.
We'll analyze it and we willlook at it.
We will make fun of you, wewill also praise you.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Might give you my job .
Shit Depend on what your fourmovies are Absolutely Heck you
might be more qualified than us,probably.
Probably.
Um, I just talked about theupside of anger, sheesh.
Um, all right, so that that'sgonna be really fun, and so
we'll next week.
We will talk to you next timeon eti, where movies still
matter.
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