NY Times Top 100 Films of the 21st Century feat. Filmmaker Kalee Quiñones

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
How's it?
I'm Alex McCauley and I'm MaxFosberg and this is, excuse the
Intermission a discussion showsurrounding your favorite films
of the 21st century.
Discussion show surroundingyour favorite films of the 21st
century.
The New York Times recentlypublished a reader's choice list
of the best films from theyears 2000 to 2025.
And we have some thoughts, fromsnubs to surprises, from
overrated to underrated.

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We will break down the entirerankings with help from Kaylee.
So sit tight, our conversationbegins on the other side of this
break.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
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The lineup includes filmmakersfrom 11 different countries,
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All right, max, kaylee, how arethe two of you doing today?
Kaylee, welcome back.
Always great to have you on theshow.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Thank you, happy to be here, love hanging out with
you guys and chatting aboutmovies.
It's the best.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, before we get into the New York Times rankings
list, let's dive into some ofyour recent activities down
there in LA.
You guys went and saw twomovies here this past weekend
that I know you want to discussa little bit.
So, without further ado, let'sjust dive right into that and
then we can get into the list,because I think that that might

(02:52):
take up a lot of airway later.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yes, I'm so excited.
It was actually really fun.
I got kind of stressed out thismorning Like, oh my God, I had
to figure out my feelings aboutthis list, because it's like
it's a list and you're like Ihave feelings but I'd like go
through it.
But then I was like, okay, staycalm, just get on letterboxd.
Letterboxd is very helpful,like start looking through stuff
, um.
But anyway, so getting into, wewent to double feature on

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friday.
I would work at vidiots.
I just got a part-time job asbooth coordinator at vidiots, um
, and so I was at work tillseven and like literally we got
off and I was like let's go toglendale lemley, which is like
close to where I work, and wejust like hopped into together
at 7 30, went to sorry baby, at10 30, um, and yeah, I mean I
think it goes to show for melike if a late, if I stay awake

(03:36):
through a late show, the movieis good, like that is like one
of my.
I was like at first.
I got really worried aftertogether, because together is
not as good.
It's like it's just a movie,like it's a silly movie, but
it's and that's my take at leastand so when we got through
together I was like shit, weshould have done this one second
.
I would not have been that madif I fell asleep during this one

(03:56):
.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
But yeah, let's, let's, let's talk about together
first, since we saw that onefirst together is um, the new uh
horror movie, body horror moviestarring dave franco and
allison brie.
Um, it's also got a lot ofcontroversy around it, not for
what's on the screen, but thescript, the idea.

(04:20):
Uh, there's I believe there's alawsuit going on that this idea
was was stolen from fromanother writer, um, who had
shown apparently dave franco the, the script that he wrote um
and like specific pieces of thatscript can be found in this
movie.
I haven't read that script so II don't know exactly the

(04:43):
details there and that was to bea short film.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Am I remembering that correctly?
That sounds right, becausesomeone did say this.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I'm pretty sure that the lawsuit maybe it's not over,
but that they've kind ofdecided that it really isn't
copied.
It's not copied, it's like theidea is somewhat there in the
original and it sounds right theshort thing.
I'm not 100% sure, but yeah, Ithink that there is like enough
of a difference that people werelike okay, we don't need to
attack them about the script,let's go watch the movie and see

(05:12):
what we think.
But yeah, it is likeinteresting though, there was
all that drama.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, and so together .
You know it's about a couplewho move to the countryside from
the big city.
Um, they are living in an likean isolated house in the woods.
They go on a hike they find acave dave franco is a hipster
musician.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
He wears like a king gizzard shirt.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Through the first act he's and in that cave there is
I guess you would call it notdemonic, but like some sort of
Possession yeah, possession thatgets on to Dave Franco's

(05:59):
character and he becomes hisbody, becomes obsessively
attached to Alison Brie, uh,like to the point where, like,
he can't be too far away fromher, um, and so then they have
to figure out what.
What's going on.
And it's real that there's, youknow some nefarious things

(06:19):
going on in this town.
There's, you know, somenefarious things going on in
this town.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I feel like it also gives it some credit.
Sorry to interrupt you, butlike gives it some credit that
as I hear you telling this, Iwant to tell more stuff.
Right, it does have like a lotof fun like details to it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Like his background is really interesting and like
kind of their conflict it's amystery to kind of figure out
throughout the movie.
But I will say that, like thefirst I don't know how I felt

(06:58):
about it is that Dave Franco,when he tries to be serious and
he's not being like in highschool or you know the best
friend and neighbors, when he iscenter of the screen trying to
be a serious actor.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I just think he's really, really bad.
I feel like he's inexperienced.
I think that that's the vibe Iwas getting from him.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was telling max that he does this actor thing
that I learned from being inacting school, like, like he
sighs a lot like, which is verymuch like or like he has these
like kind of like actor quirks,that he kind of comes out that
show himself and not thecharacter yeah, when he's not
doing comedy, I guess I wouldsay, uh, he's just, he's very
overacting, um, and so I foundthe first two acts of this movie

(07:36):
pretty, pretty rough and thewriting was weird.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I was also feeling for them both like I think with
her and like her and like kindof the the other teacher, like
that scene really rubbed mewrong.
It's just like it's just like alot of the scenes just have
kind of clunky, cliche dialogueand I felt like that wasn't
really helping anybody withperformance yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
However, I will say the third act, I think, turns,
turns it up a little bit andlike, is actually pretty
entertaining.
Now, kaylee and I weredefinitely laughing through it's
funny, it's really really funnyI don't know if that was the
intent, I don't think it was,but um, but yeah.
So, uh, I would I a movie thatI was like, really excited for,

(08:20):
because it, you know, it's oneof these movies that got a lot
of festival buzz.
You know a lot of people weresaying like, oh, the best body
horror in years and, and youknow the, you're one of the best
horror movies of the year andunfortunately for me, it was it
was not that.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
I was not that great, but itwas entertaining towards the end
.
I think if they could have justspruced up some of the stuff in
the beginning, I think it couldhave been a good movie.
The ending is really fun.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Do you think the film benefits or do you not notice?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
it.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Or does it?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
perhaps suffer from Dave Franco and Alison Brie
being a real life couple offscreen, or do you think some of
that is sort of baked into itand part of the fun?
I I think it's part.
You can tell there they arehaving fun okay yeah, definitely
and I think that's a little bitof the charm of of the film.
But like I don't know, aliceand brie, you know, has been a,
this is going to sound soderogatory, but she's been a TV
actor for all of her life, right, like?

(09:29):
What other movies has she shownup in?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
It felt very much like them both, like taking an
opportunity of like I finallyget to be the star, Like I
finally get to be right.
Is that?
Kind of what you mean.
Yeah, for both of them, becauseDave Franco hasn't really had a
leading role either.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah For both of them , cause Dave Franco hasn't
really had a leading role either.
Yeah, about a group of friendsthat go to like an Airbnb, and
it's kind of like I thought wemight start to get a lot of
these, but sort of like the VRBOgone wrong, where like are
there cameras in this housewhat's going on.
That's a fun little thriller.
So I think there's something toyou know.

(10:18):
I mean, we've seen this inHollywood for decades and
decades and decades where youknow husband and wife, any sort
of domestic partnership, andsomeone's behind the camera and
someone's in front of the cameraand, um, you're directing,
you're directing your partner,and I think it can work.
And so I'm not, even though Ihaven't seen the film yet, even
though, um, the two of youaren't necessarily raving about

(10:40):
it, I'm not ready to, like, sellmy stock yet.
And dave franco as perhaps likea really good behind the scenes
person, and then allison briecan sort of start to become
maybe his muse, um, because I'mpretty sure franco also he was a
producer on zola, a film thatI'm actually going to bring up
here later in this episode like,yeah, franco, and and for

(11:04):
reasons that we don't need toget into here on, uh, this
podcast has, I think, kind ofcame out of the shadows of his
older brother, um, and that'sreally good for a lot of
different reasons, and so he'ssomebody that I'm still very
interested in, like the choicesthat they just totally agree.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I love that Cause I think the film deserves
that.
I feel like it.
Like I said, it felt like verymuch like a debut.
It felt like a debut and it waslike well done and like the.
Yeah, it had some clunkymoments, but like I think that,
considering it's like newterritory for both of them, I
thought that it was.
It was good enough, good enoughand it was fun.
I think you might really enjoyit.
You might enjoy it a littlemore than we did, because you're

(11:45):
really unexpected.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We were two of what?
Six people in the theater?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
oh, that is surprising yeah, so it would
have been really cool with morepeople.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I agree, I was thinking and granted, we went to
what was the theater calledagain the lemley in glendale
which is a smaller independenttheater here in la.
So maybe that's why, like Iwonder, you know we were right
across the street from a lookdine-in cinema.
I wonder if we went there tosee it if there was, if it was a

(12:14):
full crowd, maybe, maybe, yeah,more enjoyable, um, okay,
second movie we saw sorry, baby,I'll come.
This has cracked my top five ofthe year, one of my favorite
films that I've seen.
This is a I guess you couldcall it a dramedy from Eva

(12:37):
Victor, who writes, directs andstars in this film and someone I
had not been familiar with.
I guess she played a role onthe show billions um in the past
.
But uh, she is.
This movie is really well made.

(12:59):
It is very patient.
It's beautiful writing For adrama or dramedy.
It has great tension in it.
It has great heart.
I think I wrote, I laughed, Icried, I was depressed, I was

(13:26):
hopeful.
Um, I, I love, love this filmand, uh, I have, as also I said
in my letterboxd uh review, Ihave purchased season tickets,
uh, for eva victor love that sosweet.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, it was amazing.
It was really good.
I think that, um, the like thestory itself is I think I said
this in my letterboxd review.
We're here to help, we'reletterboxd reviews to everybody.
Here we are um, the like thingI was thinking of is like this
it's like the substance of thecontent and like what it is
about is really powerful andreally intense.

(13:59):
Um, but like just the filmmakingitself, it is so cinematic,
like the way she thinks is socinematic and the way she
directed this, and like thereare just scenes that are just,
and I feel like this is whatcinema is, where you're like, oh
, wow, you are capturing thefeeling of what this is.
You are not just replaying astory in your head, you are
figuring out a metaphorical wayto heighten this experience and

(14:22):
let us be part of thatexperience.
I think she did a great jobwith that and also I wanted to
say that, like just followingthis main character, agnes, is
just such a joy, like she is,you know, going through a lot of
shit, but she's so real.
Like she feels like one of myfriends, like I felt, like the
way she wrote and, of course,it's also a story about best
friends and so it's like youknow, as a woman who has had

(14:45):
many beautiful femalerelationships, I felt like it
was just so beautiful to seethat on screen and just their
candidness with each other andthe way their relationship plays
into the bigger plot.
Um so, yeah, yeah, sorry, baby's.
Amazing, nothing happens to thecat.
That's my, my announcement gosee it.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Nothing happens to the cat the cat doesn't die
nothing happens to the cat.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Rivers were coming down my face when that cat first
comes on screen yeah, and Ithink that's with the cat scene
of like this film is so as awriter, like it's so good at
like lowest point to highestpoint, like it really like pulls
your heartstrings by just highsto lows and doing so well
executed?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
no, not at all, it's just doing.
It so well executed?
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's just like these, perfectly well executed like
well, because that's the beautyof life.
One of my therapists once saidto me you know, whenever I get
really down, I start like in ajokingly way, saying to myself
like something good is going tohappen to you.
You can't stop it.
You know, and I think thatthat's the beauty of scenes like
that, where it's like you getto this low point and then

(15:48):
there's always the silver lining.
There's something reallybeautiful that happens and, um,
yeah, just so cool, such a likeinspiring as a filmmaker, just
such an inspiring film to watch,because you're just like, oh,
wow, you can do anything with astory like because the story is
kind of just a very dark,serious story, but there's all
these things you can do with itand I just thought, like it, it
pulled the story off the page insuch an exciting way.

(16:08):
So that's it.
That's our thoughts on ourmovies that's awesome.
Um, I'm trying to wait for youto see them so we can talk to
you about them more.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, I'm trying to look up to see how many screens
screens um, sorry, baby isplaying on right now, um, and it
looks like it came out theweekend, f1 came out, so oh yeah
, june 27th yeah yeah, solimited, and I think it was
limited then, so I'm sure it'sin even less theaters now yeah,

(16:41):
I think it got distributionthough, so it'll be streaming
soon enough, I think also.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
But I was wishing there was a weird feeling,
because I think it gotdistribution though, so it'll be
streaming soon enough, I thinkalso.
But I was wishing there was aweird feeling, because I think
because lemley lemley makes memiss the grand, because lemley
is like the smaller theater, um,I do know it's playing at the
grand right now.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, go to the grand.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, I was really wishing I was at the grand when
I was watching.
Sorry, baby, I was like thisfeels um, and we also had a
classic indie cinema.
Like there was a a ceiling leakor a water leak in the theater
so we couldn't sit where wewanted to sit.
I was like this is cute, I lovethis um and you're right, yeah,
824 has picked up distributionrights.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, great, pretty cool, okay.
So we are here today to talkabout the new york times top 100
movies list of the 21st century.
Now, if you're going to followalong and or play along at home,
there are two different lists,and that is an important
distinction.
So is there's a critics listout there which was, uh,

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comprised of over I believe itwas like 500, um, actors,
filmmakers, critics, folks thatwere pulled to contribute to um,
the, the official list, we'llcall it, and so that's not the
one that we are going.
Industry pros, I'm reading, iswhat they call it to reflect on

(18:08):
films released since January 1st2000.
And so that's not the list wewill be pulling from today.
The list that we want to analyzeis the reader's choice list of
the New York times top 100movies of the 21st century, of
the New York Times top 100movies of the 21st century.
Over 200,000 readers voted onthis list that we will be

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analyzing, and so Max and I wentback and forth a little bit and
we decided that this is abetter reflection of the kind of
content, the kind of moviesthat we wanna be talking about
on a daily basis.
We can still do a little likecompare and contrasting, like I
have some notes here of what afew of the key differences are.

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Encouragingly enough, though,there aren't too many big ones,
and so I don't know if you wantto speak to that, max, like in
this world where everyone doeshave a Letterboxd account and
views themselves as a critic.
It is kind of nice to see thatthere is less parody amongst the
trained professionals versussomeone that can just watch a

(19:10):
lot of movies.
So what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
to begin with, Well, yeah, I think, first off, a part
two, diving into the criticslist to this episode, I think is
probably something that willdefinitely happen here down the
road.
Um, I, I, I was of the mindsetthat, like this should be, this

(19:34):
is almost the more importantlist because this is showing
what the paying audience youknow is responding to, and and I
, when I say important, itshould be important to like
studio execs right, like thisshould show you make more movies
like this list.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Get out of all this crap.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
There's some stuff on here that, like you, wouldn't
almost expect to be on here fromfrom the general movie goer.
Um, now, granted, as alex didsay, we we do live in a
letterbox world which I thinkhas really, like, just
heightened the level of of theaverage movie goer to to be more

(20:15):
, uh, cinephile or morethoughtful.
So, yeah, it's a philodelic orI don't know philodic, I love it
.
Um so, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'mexcited to dive into those lists
.
There's, of course, there'sproblems with it, uh, as there's
going to be with any list, butthat's why we love a list.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't feel like there's problems with it.
I think it's just made by aperson, it's not made by a robot
.
Happily, I'm really glad it'snot made by a robot and
therefore this person is notgoing to have the exact same or
this.
I mean all these people, right,Even like 200,000 people.
I think this group inparticular, especially Alex,
like we're not going to have thesame opinion as the average
person or like that net number.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Right, yeah, one other thing you know as if
you're an industry professionalwhen we talk about that list,
you just have more of anopportunity to see more films,
lesser known films you have moreof an opportunity right about.

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And the other list you know themovie fish tank is on there and
like you know how you knowavailable is that film I love
that you bring up theaccessibility.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I have to interrupt because one of my answers to one
of our questions for today is Iwould just remove any of the
films I haven't seen, which ispretty much what max is saying
on this.
Like I haven't seen that film,so why is it on the other list?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
and like granted, I'm sure you can go find it.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's a funny one to use for your point.
But I do agree with youraccessibility point.
Like that they go to movies forfree, things like that.
I think that that is like a bigthing with the movie theater
falling.
The movie theater businessfalling apart right now is it's
expensive to go to the movies.
Like I feel so like guilty howmuch we spend doing it, like I'm
so glad we're supporting cinema, but it's just like it's
expensive to go to the moviesand I think that's why people

(22:08):
don't go and capitalism isfrustrating that way, because it
has to be that price for thetheaters to stay alive.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, I think by looking at the reader's choice
list we get a better sense andyou've both said this but of
what movies have endured overthe last 25 years, and that's
something that the industry prosand actors and filmmakers may
not have as good a sense of tothe algorithm that is, you know,

(22:42):
people reviewing their Blu-raysand people recommending top
five underseen crime thrillersto you, like you're going to
know about a lot of these moviesand and I think that that's
great because you know you canlook I love the feature on
Letterboxd where you can go andyou can see popular this week
and you go down to like thethirties and the forties, and
it's a lot of the movies thatare on this list and there's no

(23:05):
good reason why they shouldstill be prominent, but they
have just stood the test of timeand I think that that's a
really good measuring stick fora film's longevity and it can go
both ways, right, because someof those movies are of the
blockbuster and franchise brand.
It just it is what it is, andso I you know the reader's

(23:27):
choice list has a few more ofthose kinds of films, as opposed
to the critics and the industryversion, because I do think
that they are a little bit moreniche with their selections, but
I think both lists do have agood representation of arthouse
films and auteur filmmakers, andthere actually is a good
representation of arthouse filmsand auteur filmmakers and there
actually is a good balancebetween both lists when it comes

(23:49):
to genre films, and so there'sa lot that we can get into as
far as like themes that we like,themes that we wish we could
see more of, but but for themost part, it's just I mean, you
both said it too like we love alist and I love that this isn't
a list that we're making.
We just get to react to this,because not that I want to be

(24:10):
aggressive or accusatory toeither one of these, but I do
think that it's fun, it'svalidating.
It can be a little bit likeupsetting when you see something
as high as maybe top five ortop 10 that you don't
necessarily agree with, but thenit just asks you.
Like Kaylee, you were saying,like I got to get my notes
together, I was working on mynotes.

(24:30):
I was like I need to be able toarticulate why I feel this way
about some of these things.
So we love a list.
This is a big list.
We have about six to eightquestions here that will kind of
help us work through it andhopefully touch on most of the
titles here.
We're not just going to gothrough one, through 100 and
talk about every movie, um so sowe all have a copy here.

(24:53):
Kaylee, I'll start with youthematically looking at the
reader's choice top 100 list.
What was something that youwere there was was a happy
takeaway for you.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's like a solid list.
You know, there were like somelike you.
I like what you pointed out,like the indie versus more
mainstream stuff, like there isa lot of like I guess.
Yeah, there's some, there'ssome indie surprises like some
little like more niche surprisesin it, a few.
It's really funny because whenI first wrote my note I was like
I'm glad Avengers isn't onthere and then I went down to
the bottom I was like oh, justkidding, it's at the end,

(25:26):
avengers is at the end.
But yeah, like mostly youwouldn't expect that it doesn't
really fit into this list.
Like it's kind of surprisingthat they tacked it on to the
end.
So yeah, I think it's a verylike heartfelt list We'll get

(25:50):
into.
Like what I'm happy about andunhappy about is like it's very
much like a sad girl, sad boylist, which is what I'm all
about.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Um, but interesting that there's, like you know,
only a handful of like reallyjoyful films in here that made
it.
Yeah, uh, I think my biggesttakeaway that I'm happy about is
that there are only threesuperhero movies on this list,
uh, which is the dark knight, uhin uh, spider-man into the
spider-verse and avengersendgame.
Um, you know, in in the 21stcentury, where it the movie

(26:16):
culture can be defined by capesand cowls, um, you know, those
are the biggest movies, uh, inthe theaters year to year.
Now, granted, hopefully that'schanging, but at least for the
first 25 years, um, that thathas been the case, uh, so I'm
happy that, like you know, youknow, sam Raimi's Spider-Man two

(26:39):
isn't on here, right, causepeople look at that with rose
colored glasses.
Or the first, yeah, the firstIron man, which started the
Marvel boom, or the fact that,yeah, I mean they're, you know,
winter Soldier, captain America,winter Soldier is always held
up on a podium when it comes tosuperhero movies.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I'm glad that only three movies are about
superheroes and I think that'sreally encouraging coming from
the reader's choice list.
I would expect that from thecritics list, but to see that
here on our list that we'retalking about today is great, uh
, something that I'm well tosort of dovetail on that it's.
It's different, but the same um.
This is not my, my main point,but I do also want to bring up
um that something.
Something I was happy with onthis list was that there was a

(27:30):
lot of um, there was theinclusion of, or I should say
the exclusion of, a lot of othernotable franchises, and so
there's no mission impossiblemovie, there's no jason bourne
movie, there's no john wickmovie, there's no james bond
movie and there's no pirates ofthe movie.
There's no John Wick movie,there's no James Bond movie and
there's no Pirates of theCaribbean movie on this list,
either Now I think that there'ssome great movies and you could

(27:52):
almost pull maybe one from eachof those franchises and say,
like the first, john Wick shouldhave been on there, skyfall
could have been on there,fallout could have been on there
.
However, they were excluded andI'm totally okay with that.
The biggest thing that I'mhappy with was the international
appeal of this list and lookingthrough it, so you have films

(28:12):
like Spirited Away is in the top10, at number eight.
In the Mood for Love Not myfavorite Wong Kar Wai film, but
it's number 12.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire 26.
City of God 37.
Old Boy Once again not of alady on fire 26.
City of god 37.
Old boy once again not myfavorite park chan wook film,
but it's top 40.
Amelie 46 you too, mama tombien55.
The handmaiden 67.
Worst person in the world 76.

(28:34):
Crouching tiger, hidden dragon81.
Drive my car 89.
And then how's moving castlesneaks in at 96.
Now, I'm like the world'sbiggest how's moving castle
Castle fan.
So I was really really happy tosee that there's the top

(28:54):
international filmmakers on thislist, but that was really cool
to see that there was at least adozen international entries.
Love that a dozen internationalentries.
Love that, um.
So then, something that maybewe were less happy about as far
as the list construction um, doyou have, do you?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
have a different one for this one.
Yeah, I was.
Um, my big thing was thatthere's no spike lee.
There's no spike lee in here.
Um, I was surprised by that, Ithink, if I'm pretty sure yeah
um, you know, I think like blackKlansman could have been on
here.
I mean, it would be very muchlike a pull like his better
films it's not his best film,but it's like it would be kind
of a shoe in but like it's moreblack stories, like there's only

(29:34):
three on here.
There's Django, get out andmoonlight, which are great films
like oh wow, like it'sinteresting to see that there's
only three black stories on thetop 100.
Um, an unfortunate observation.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think I think that also kind
of talks, you know, touches onlike what?
What kind of list?
This should be right because,like it, it should be
celebrating like the mostimportant filmmakers that are
making films.
But then, yeah, if, if blackKlansman, if you don't think

(30:12):
black Klansman is better thanyou know, something crazy like
knives out, like are you goingto be able to be objective and
be like no, we need a Spike Leemovie on this list?
And I think that's some of thesome of the bad things about
doing a reader's choice likemaybe some people aren't

(30:35):
thinking, you know, galaxy brain, like that yeah because, like
on the critics list, somethinglike black panther, which goes
against what we were justtalking about with franchises
and superheroes.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
But you look at ryan coogler and everything that that
movie meant culturally.
I think black panther should100, be in this top 100 yeah you
said it is on the critics oneit is

Speaker 2 (30:57):
okay, cool yeah uh, something I wasn't happy with
was the recency bias, andSinners is another black story
that is on.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh, it is on here.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah at 52.
Sinners that is recency.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
The zone of interest, the Dune movies, I feel like a
movie needs at least three tofive years to really breathe and
to be considered one of thegreatest.
So as much as I love Sinners,favorite movie of 2025 so far, I

(31:38):
just don't know if it belongson the list quite yet.
If we're doing this list in2030, then absolutely Sinners is
going to be on the list quiteyet.
You know, if we're doing thislist in 20, 20, 30, then
absolutely sinners is going tobe on this list.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, I tagged a couple of others.
Everything, everywhere all atonce is number 13.
Oppenheimer is 22.
The first uh entry of a dunefilm is dune part two at 27,
after sun, 35.
And again, some of these arereally solid movies but 35 seems
very high barbie's at 84,mavericks at 88 and killers of

(32:11):
the flower moon is at 93 yeah,lots of really new ones,
definitely yeah um, I I, so Ihad a few notes on that.
I also agree with you, kaylee,that more women directors, more
ipoc directors, are veryunderrepresented on this list.
A few titles that I wrote downthat I think we could have had

(32:31):
room for were Promising YoungWoman, the Hurt Locker, 12 Years
a Slave, roma, the SubstanceRaw or T-Tan Take your Pick from
Julia Ducarnu and then A GirlWalks Home Alone at Night.
I think there there's there'sroom for all of those films on
the list, and then A Girl WalksHome Alone at Night kind of

(32:51):
transitions into my other thingthat there's just a big lack of
horror on on this list as well.
There is good genrerepresentation as far as sci-fi
goes, but I would have loved tohave seen one of these following
films along with a girl walkshome alone at night.
But the witch prometheus, lucaguadagnino's suspiria remake
under the skin from jonathanglazer.

(33:12):
Put that in.
Take zone of interest out yesand the killing of a sacred deer
, and so there's, there's,there's good.
Genreation could still bebetter, 100%.
Yeah, yeah, I totally agreewith that.
Okay, and so then this is kindof a fun one.
Just a surprise that the two ofyou saw on the list Could be

(33:37):
good, could be bad.
What was something that you sawthat caused a double take?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
One for me that I wanted to bring up was ye,
because we all three said wehadn't seen it.
So none of us have seen it, sowe can't much talk about it.
But one of my friends has toldme like this is one of his
favorite films.
Ethan, seattle Film Society guyshout out to Ethan, he's great.
But yeah, I, he said it was onhis top four letterbox and like
I don't know, I just kind of waslike oh okay, like I just
didn't realize it was like thislegendary, like to me it's on a

(34:04):
ton of top tens yeah, so I justlike.
So that was kind of a surprisewhen I was kind of like off my
radar that now I'm is farfurther up on my list of like I
need to watch that yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, as I said, at number 91 knives out.
Uh, I mean, I, I'm just what.
What are we doing here?
Like I, I understand, I like agood caper, but like that movie
is not not one of the best 100movies we've had in the last 25.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I haven't seen it.
Best is such a loose definition.
It doesn't matter how you'redefining the word.
Best Knives Out doesn't fit.
Yeah, respectfully.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Really surprised by number 66.
Respectfully, um, reallysurprised by number 66.
Oh brother, we're out thou, amovie I really love and cherish
from the coen brothers.
But like every time I've had aconversation with a you know, a
coen fan, like, oh brother,we're out thou is is like middle
of the pack to to bottom of thepack.
Um, so really surprised that'son there, uh.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
And then number 13 I disagree with you, but I get
what you're saying yeah, I'mjust surprised it's on there.
I'm it's kind of a happy it'sjust so well made like other
films, of course you do, butstill it's like to me, like as a
spectacle, like what they wereable to do with it is so
impressive it's not even thebest, you know, I mean,
obviously we have no country forold men, um, but a serious man,

(35:23):
I think, is better than that.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Um, you know, I mean, obviously we have no country
for old men, um, but a seriousman, I think is better than that
.
Um, you know, I uh inside, Ithink inside, lewin davis is on
this lower, yeah, but it shouldbe higher than my brother rob.
now, um, probably, and then, andthen number 13, which we also
touched on, everythingeverywhere all at once.
We've talked about this movieat length, but like it is not in

(35:52):
the top 15.
You know, I could see it in thelower half of the, you know,
under 50 or somewhere in there,but like to put it in the top 15
is is that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm still going to talk aboutit later, so I'm just not going
to.
I've been up on this soapboxfor a long time, and so I'm just
going to hold my tongue herefor a minute and talk about a
happy surprise.
Listen, this also made thecritics list.
It was actually number 100 onthe critics list, so it barely

(36:23):
snuck in, but on the listenersor, excuse me, the readers list.
So it barely snuck in, but onthe listeners, um, or, excuse me
, the readers list, it almostperformed twice as well.
Super bad at 53 is like thecoolest thing ever to see.
It's really like it's reallythe one true comedy on this list
and you want to talk about likea pillar that represents a

(36:44):
moment in history, and I thinkthat that's obviously what this
list is trying to do, and thefact that this is the movie that
has has become the beacon forthat like late 2000s are rated
comedy boom, just like it's sogreat to see that it's not, with

(37:05):
all due respect, a Will Ferrellmovie.
It's not something like superbad or, excuse me, something
like, um, stepbrothers oranchorman, um, that that, I feel
like, is just like less clever.
You know, I think that superbad is so clever and so
well-written and directed in areally fun way.
The performances are obviouslygreat, and so I love to see

(37:28):
super bad almost crack the top50 here, and so that that was
awesome.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That's a good one.
Comedy, another genre that Ithink is like woefully
underrepresented.
Agreed yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now I want stepbrothers to be on here, now
that you brought that up.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I'm honestly surprised that that you know
more comedies from that eradidn't make it on at least the
readers.
Yes, I'm sure they were close,like if we got to see a top 125.
I bet we see things yeahstepbrothers we're talladega
nights.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Talladega nights is close to my heart.
Yeah, hangover was a great one.
Great hangover nights is closeto my heart.
Yeah, hangover was a great one.
Great hangover is also just sowell made too.
Hangover is crazy, like whatthey do with that one uh, okay.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
So then three movies that we we like to see.
Um, we're happy that made thelist, but that maybe we would
move down a little bit here.
Um, I'll go.
I'll go first on this onebecause I I have to talk about
interstellar and the christophernolan bias here what I.
So interstellar clocks in atnumber five overall, and that is

(38:33):
after we already have the darkknight at six, and so nolan goes
back to back in the top 10 withinterstellar at five, the dark
knight at six.
I'm much more okay with the backto back in the top 10 with
Interstellar at five, the DarkKnight at six.
I'm much more OK with the DarkKnight being in the top 10
because of the understanding forwhat that did, not only for his
career, for superhero movies, Ithink.

(38:56):
Like this this air quotesprestige superhero movie that I
think so many differentfilmmakers have been trying to
chase since that moment.
You know we've talked aboutthis, many people have talked
about this movie before whereit's basically like it's heat as
a superhero movie, it's aMichael Mann movie, it's a it's
a heist film as a superheromovie, it's all these different

(39:16):
things.
So the Dark Knight deserving, Ithink, of a top 10 spot.
Let's take Interstellar out ofthe top five and let's move that
into, like, the 20s.
And then what we can do byputting interstellar in the 20s
is also move back oppenheimerand inception, which are back to
back at 23 and 24 yeah I'm.

(39:37):
I'm okay, like getting those outof the top 50 into the top 75
and potentially, you know,because then once you get back
into that, that second half ofthe list, things like the
prestige and memento are alreadythere and so just like disperse
the chris, the love forchristopher nolan a little bit

(39:58):
and and not have the top of thislist.
So nolan heavy, so interstellarwould be my first one.
How do you guys feel about that, that move?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I'm so with you because my thing with
interstellar just because I justsaw space odyssey on 70
millimeter not to brag but um, Isaw that it was amazing and
like there's like literally likefive scenes just pulled from
space odyssey in interstellarlike interstellar is great, but
it's just like a space movieit's great, but it's just like
doing the space movie thing andmatthew mcconaughey and jessica
chastain have like greatchemistry and like there's a

(40:28):
great, there's great moments inthat film.
But yeah, I just don't thinkthat it should be up there.
And I also, yeah, just like Ilove your whole nolan bias.
It's very much the recency biasissue, right it's like yeah,
yeah, nolan leads filmmakers.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Uh, I believe on this list with with five, five films
which I think we just alllisted.
Um, it's funny because the movie, the first movie I want to move
back is the dark knight okayI'm much more I'm not with you
on that um and uh, really love,you know, the complexity and the

(41:03):
deepness, and I think that'swhen that's a movie that you
know Nolan's always trying to,like you know, prove that he's
deep and and thoughtful.
But I feel like interstellar isone that really captures me
when I watch it, and and so Iwould move the dark night, which
I a movie I love, but like Idon't know, in in recent years,

(41:27):
you know, I I feel like it has,you know, hasn't had such a
lasting power on me, so I wouldmove that down to, like the
thirties.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Marcus is going to be so mad at you.
Marcus Baker, who is a frequentcollaborator on ETI, is going
to be so mad at you.
I have a lot more of these.
So, like there's a lot, I wantto move down but I'm really
going to do a few.
But I thought that also theSocial Network was like
everyone's saying, it's like thebest, best movie.
Social Network is 10.
It's a great movie.

(42:01):
I love Social Network.
Obviously, I think we can sayunsaid.
We all love all of these movies.
We have no like full on dislikeof any of these movies, but I
felt like that one specificallyalso just the topic Once again.
So recency, right.
What feels good about thatmovie is the fact that facebook

(42:21):
has been the bane of ourexistence since we were 14 years
old, depending what generationyou are, um, and also just like
and this is also one of my weirdmovie problems where movies
that just I don't like the worldand the people in it sometimes
just makes me decide I don'tthink it's as deserving of love.
But yeah, I just like the wholeivy league world, like I don't
know.
I just think that movie's alittle overrated.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But it's not like the real world that is very true.
That is way too accurate uh uh,the other well uh, I little
miss sunshine.
I thought could have been moveddown.
It's at 42 right now I think,up.
It's a beautiful movie, it'sreally nice, it's really great.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
When's the last time you were like I'm gonna fire up
a little, miss sunshine I havethe script, I own the script and
also I think that, like Ialways say, it's the best
filmmakers can capture joy.
I think that if you can capturejoy on film, that to me is like
the ultimate challenge and theultimate it's fine to be on this
list.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I just don't think it it's deserving of number 42 is
my, I'm okay with that moving itback, but keeping it yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Put it somewhere in the 60s or 70s um because, again
, great movie, fantastic filmgave us.
You know, I think it.
That was the first time paulocame into my life.
So yeah, I think, if we movethat, this list, but a top 35
movie, spider-man Into theSpider-Verse I understand that

(44:02):
animation was groundbreaking atthe time and we can keep it on
the list, but I don't think itneeds to be in the top 50.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, I'm going to mention one more.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I have two more as well, so go ahead.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, quickly, I was going to say so, love, I have
two more as well.
Yeah, quickly, I was going tosay so, love.
Mulholland drive, one of myfavorite movies, goes to my top
four in letterbox all the time.
It's my favorite movies.
But I was surprised that it gotat two.
I was not.
I'm not even going to say thatit should be moved down, I'm
fine with it being at two.
But I was really surprisedizesomething as having experimental

(44:42):
elements or like just becauseit doesn't, you know, non-linear
, or all these different things.
But I was surprised moholandrive was that far up on the um,
on the what's let's, let's callit again the reader's choice
reader's choice.
I was also top it's like topfive and critics as well, though
, so that's one of the likeconsensus but also felt like
recency or like rest in, likeI'm really sad that David Lynch
passed away but like as maybethat one up a little higher
because of some of thoseemotions right now, but that

(45:03):
movie is great and deservinganywhere on this list to be on
the list, but yeah you are thetherapist for all movie watchers
Wait why, are emotions a littleheightened right now.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
That's true so the other two that I'm fine with
being on the list but that Iwould like to move, uh, uh.
The first one is the royaltenenbaums at number 28.
I would.
I think this movie belongs morein this 70s to 80s range.
When you look at the films thatare down there, I think it fits

(45:40):
in much.
I think it fits in a lot betterwith movies in that range like
the Florida Project and Boyhoodand the worst person in the
world, like that feels likewhere Tenenbaums should be, and
that's also because you have theGrand Budapest Hotel at 22.
So I just I know that that'sreally when Wes was cooking, but
do we need two Wes Andersonmovies that close together in

(46:04):
the top 30?
For me the answer is no.
And then the other one is Prideand Prejudice, which I almost
put into my surprise category asthe Joe Wright film that made
this list and not Atonement.
That was really surprising tome, and so I'm fine.
Keeping pride and prejudice onthe list is almost like a two
for one there, but I don't thinkit should be 50.
I think that should be closerto the 80s and 90s range with

(46:29):
with movies that kind of feel alittle bit more gimmicky that
have made it in there.
You know, that's like whereBarbie is, that's where Up is,
that's where, with all duerespect, top Gun, maverick and
Dune Part One and Bridesmaidsare like.
That's where I think Pride andPrejudice should go.
And so happy that it's on thelist.
Don't think it needs to be top50, however.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
But I just think like it's something interesting
about deciding that the notserious films and that's not not
to say that's exactly whatyou're saying, but like I feel
like I'm getting a slip from maxtoo, of like if it's not
serious, it deserves to be lowerand in a group with other not
serious I'm prejudiced is veryserious is very serious, but
it's something else yeah, okay,and so then the next one is

(47:19):
three movies that we would keepon the list but that we would
like to move up, and so, uh,what do you guys have for this?
the order is so weird, likesorry, as we go, coming out of
the question, we just did like,yeah, what would we move down?
The order is so, so weird.
Overall, this whole order, Ithink I would move it around
completely, just saying but yes,just saying that, and then you

(47:40):
guys can go on which ones youwant to move up.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Well, I mean just just while it's kind of like the
topic of discussion here, Ihave a very quote, unquote,
unserious movie that I wouldlove to move up more.
So not to contradict exactlywhat you're saying, kaylee, but
I think that there's.
It can be both things at once,because Mean Girls at 82
deserves to be top 50.

(48:04):
I've been saying this ever sincewe've had this platform really
on the podcast, that I thinkMean Girls is a perfect movie.
I think Mean Girls fitsperfectly into like the 40 to 50
range with something likeLittle Miss Sunshine or WALL-E
or Amelie or Past Lives, like Iwould put it above almost all of
those films.
And so, although it's notnecessarily the first film that

(48:26):
people think of when a best ofthe 21st century discussion
happens, I think that Mean Girlsdefinitely needs more
recognition and a higher rankingthan 82.
So that's the first one I'llthrow out there.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I'll put out a solid, actual answer rather than just
losing my mind.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire Iwould move up to 10.
I think it's better at SocialNetwork.
I think Portrait of a Lady onFire like huge, like bringing
queer cinema to the mainstreamand in a new.
I mean I think there's beenmany films that have kind of re
brought it to the main scene,but I think that one, um, is

(49:04):
just also just like cinematic atsuch an intense level and um,
just the way it emotes, is to melike really high up on the list
if I'm taking the dark knightout of number six, I got to get
this laugh a minute movie intothe top 10, and that's children
of men, yeah we're doing 21, 21.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That is so with you.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
That movie is just grows every day, like that movie
needs to be, just grows everyday like that movie needs to be,
uh, at least within the top 10,if not the top five.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
It's brilliant and like the commentary and the
color grade and like justeverything about that film is so
fucking dope yeah uh, the nextmovie that I would love to move
up is one that I'm so happy thatI get to move it up and not add
it to the list because itbarely snuck in at number 99.
But give me Midsommar in thatsame range for like 40 to 50.

(50:03):
So let's take that out of likebeing a bubble film and put that
up there just behind or rightthere with maybe something like
Zodiac or Kill Bill, volume 1,memories of Murder, phantom
Thread.
These are other movies that arein the 40 to 50 range that I
think you can make the argumentfor this movie being just as

(50:24):
important and also like WellDone.
Every time we talk aboutMidsommar we talk about what
just a A plus exercise in craftit is and really launches a
career of someone like florence.
Pew proves that ari aster wasnot just a one-hit wonder with
something like hereditary and sohappy that it's on the list.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
gotta move it up, though I like the idea of
getting more horror higher uptoo, like you were saying, like
there's horror representation,but it's all pretty low.
Um, I did one also in responseto your earlier of saying royal
tenenbaums, you want to move itdown, I want to move royal
tenenbaums up I love royaltenenbaums higher than 28
yeah, I would move it, would I?
I don't know, maybe it's in agood place.

(51:06):
I like it more than some ofthese like 10 to 15.
I'm not a huge lord of therings person, so, yeah, maybe
that's part of the reason why Iwould maybe like trade it.
I don't Lord of the Rings needsto stay up where it is though,
because it's legendary.
But, yeah, royal Tenenbaums isone I'd really love to move up a
little bit.
And, um, phantom Thread, as youwere just mentioning thirties
to forties, for me that one is,or sorry, the amount it comes

(51:32):
into my mind and the amount thatI think of that film, um, is a
lot higher than that for me.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, uh, another one I would love to see get up.
Uh is get out.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yes, that's top of my list too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
We're 17.
Uh, especially if we're getting, if I'm taking everything
everywhere all all at once outat 13, then we can.
We can get get out above La LaLand as much as I love La La
Land, but like yeah it's abetter film Get out.
Um, I also had Zodiac.
Uh, as you know, I know a lotof people, you know, it kind of

(52:08):
always comes down to the socialnetwork or Zodiac.
It kind of depends on the daythat you ask me which one is
better, but I I do think zodiacis is a a monumental masterpiece
from david fincher, who youknow, very important filmmaker
of the 21st century.
I think we need to get that up.
And then the last one I'lltouch on.

(52:29):
I was really happy andsurprised to see this movie on
the list, uh, at 87.
The master, yeah, kaylee justinteracted with last night.
She went and saw it again on 70millimeter.
I hate that movie.
I would love to see that movedup to, like you know, within the

(52:49):
top 50, um, because I I justthink it again, when it comes to
pta, you know everyone's goingto go to there will be blood
right away in the century.
But the master to me is, likeyou know, like one B right, like
it is just just below thesocial network.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
So you're putting you're putting that above
phantom thread, though.
Yes, probably, yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Wild.
Uh, yes, probably, yeah, okay,yeah, wild really hates the
master.
I don't get it, it's just sodepressing.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Like I walked out.
I was like, and I really waspaying attention.
The first my review was like atleast this time the second
watch, I didn't walk out mad atpta for making me feel stupid.
The second time I at leastunderstood it, and I still hate
it.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
The first time.
It just went over my head Fouror five times.
I really understand what'sgoing on.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, maybe I need to watch it more I don't know if I
can, though it's such a sad.
It's just so dark, it's hard towatch.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It is.
Yeah, I don't know, that's it.
It's a tricky movie for me too,where I've had some like four
or five star feelings about thefilm, and then I think the last
time I reviewed it on letterboxd, I was like I don't, like I
don't know, I don't know whathe's, I don't know what the
mission is behind that movie,really, um, okay, so then the
last movie that I would love tomove up, I think the mission

(54:10):
started the mission I think isphilip seymour homan as a cult
leader, like that is the missionof that movie.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
The mission is figuring out the meaning of man.
And are we animals or are we?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Respectfully, though enough.
Enough people have tried thatand shown us that, and you know,
yeah, I don't know it's.
It's a very it's a polarizingfilm, and I love polarizing
movies.
Okay, the last movie that Iwant to keep but move up is our
63rd entry, which is BladeRunner 2049.
I just revisited this movie theother night.

(54:43):
This movie needs to be top 35,especially on a list that does
value.
However, not necessarily focuson franchises and remakes and
legacy sequels and things ofthat nature, but, like you could
definitely put this movie inthe top 40 and it I think it

(55:06):
should be right there withsomething like gladiator or um,
what else is right here?
Like spider-man into thespider-verse?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
I think gladiators could be moved down also,
gladiators a little high.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
So so, not only because this movie is just like
visual and auditory ASMR forsci-fi nerds Like it is, it is
incredible Every single time Irewatch this movie when I think
about what Denny pulled off and,honestly, even though this
movie is not that long ago it'slike 2017, before he was really

(55:40):
Denny Villeneuve, you know andso there was so much speculation
coming into this movie and notthat it necessarily bombed, but
I think it's only grown inappreciation.
And, going back to Zodiac, wehave to do an episode Max at
some point on movies that I feellike podcasting and social
media and letterbox have justtotally reclaimed.
Because, like I was in thetheater for Zodiac weekend one

(56:04):
and I remember reviews of thatmovie and everyone hated Zodiac.
Like everyone hated Zodiac,just like how everyone hated
Miami Vice, and it's just kindof like it's this hive mindset
of like people actually tell youit's good and then I think,
like the culture just starts tobelieve it, but when the thing
was good all along, it's notreally like anyone's to blame

(56:26):
for that.
It's just like I don't know.
It's just you needed, I don'tknow you needed philip seymour
hoffman as your cult leader totell you what to do.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Almost you know know, yeah, I feel like Blade Runner,
for Vinov is like the master ofPTAs, like career almost like,
but it's such a slower burn andit's like a little like less,
whereas like Arrival it's somethodical that movie and the
Ryan Gosling performance is sogood.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
The Harrison Ford role doesn't feel shoehorned in
or something that was done likehis role in like a star wars
movie or something like that.
On a day armis is really goodin the movie.
Jared leto is this perfectbalance of like weird and creepy
but also like very he's.
He's very actorly in the role,also like he's playing a great

(57:10):
bad guy.
Um, and so, yeah, you just whatdenny was able to take on with
that movie, following ridleyscott's footsteps.
You know hans zimmer on thescore trying to do what vangelis
did on the original score, likeeveryone, roger deakins behind
the camera, like everyonecrushed, crushed it with that
movie, and so, and and this isalso in response like I'm sorry

(57:34):
if this takes one of your guys'sanswers from later, but the
fact that there's no Sicario onthis list, the fact that there's
not another Denny Villeneuvemovie on this list besides the
Dune films, I'm like BladeRunner 2049, even though it's a
lot of the same, it's sci-fi.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
And Arrival is on here.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Arrival is on here, right Arrival is yeah 20 inch,
or pretty high up too.
Yeah, it is.
That's, that's true.
Thanks for catching that.
But I was like blade runner'sgot to get out of the 60s.
It's got to get out of the backhalf and into the top half yeah
, yeah, I totally agree max.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Do you have one more?
Do you want to move up?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I have one more no, no children of men.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Zodiac the master my last one is almost famous, I
think, when we were talkingabout some of these ones.
I would move down, like up inthis gladiator.
So I'd move Almost Famous is 51, and I would move it up to,
like, yeah, the early 30s, likeup here.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Almost Famous is like such a 90s movie.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
It really does right, but that's what I love about it
and it's just like to me thenostalgia of it more Philip
Seymour Hoffman also.
He's also in that, um, but yeah, I think, and also just like
the capturing of the 70s, likethe capturing of that time,
which you don't really have onthis list anywhere else.
And especially if you're goingto go with recency like now, we

(58:50):
like love the 70s and like Idon't know, I just feel like
that film and what Cameron Crowedid with it, it's interesting
because it's kind of his like Idon't want to I don't know if
I'm completely correct this butlike kind of his one hit wonder,
like that's like his big, likebest movie he ever made.
Oh yeah, jerry Maguire peoplealways talk about that one too.
Yeah, I love Jerry Maguire, butyeah, so I think that like yeah

(59:10):
, I think Al Stamos could havemoved up, um, but that's my last
one, I think okay, so then, um,let's let's talk about some
movies that we would.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
We've we've already brought a few of them up, but
these are ones that we just wantto remove completely from the
list.
So not move them down, but justclear them.
Uh, what do you have here?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
we'll start with you, max knives out okay, yeah, I've
mentioned a couple times ryanjohnson, very lovely person.
We got to meet him at ascreening, took a picture with
me, signed my looper dvd um very, you.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Replaced is looper 2000s.
Yeah, looper could be loopers,loopers in there.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I don't think it's a a top 100, but uh, dvd.
You said looper d, love it,love it, um, uh, but I would
take knives out uh off this list.
Uh, memento uh, I've for a longtime.
I think this is the weakestfilm from Christopher Nolan.
Uh, well, no, excuse me, 10.

(01:00:10):
It's the weakest film fromChristopher Nolan, but uh, this
is second for me.
Uh, it's just's just.
I, I just do not like Memento,which I know is like kind of a
crazy thing to say.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Uh, I don't think it's a little dark and gritty
for you, max, I get it no, no,not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
And also like we are.
Nolan is represented, he isrepresented.
Let's take Memento off.
Let's stop pretending that thisis like when every movie needs
to be recognized yeah, um, andthen sinners.
I would take sinners off.
Yeah, um, because, again, eventhough favorite, again, favorite
film of the year, likefantastic, will be on this list

(01:00:50):
five years from now, um, but itdoes not need to be on the 2025
list the same year, you know,six months after it came out, it
does not need to be on thislist.
It definitely doesn't need tobe on the 52nd movie on this
list what are you uh scrubbingfrom the list, kaylee?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
so my first joke is just like anything I haven't
seen, remove it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, my main.
Okay, I'm just going to go forit.
It's going to go in hotholdovers.
I would remove.
It's way too recent.
It wasn't that great in myopinion it's.
It's solid, but that's myfeeling about it.
And then gone girl.
I love gone girl.
It's actually a huge comp for ascript I'm writing and I love

(01:01:36):
Gone Girl, love Fincher.
But I don't know, I don't knowif it's top 100.
I mean, it's pretty low though.
I think it's fine where it's at.
But if I had to removesomething, these are all great
movies.
I don't really want to removeanything from the list.
Gone Girl maybe for me, andwhich I know I'm wrong about,
like I literally know I'm wrongabout inside Llewyn Davis, but I
just don't.

(01:01:56):
I don't have a.
I need to rewatch it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I did not have like a strong reaction to it.
Reactions Max I saw you shakingyour head a lot there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Well, first off, uh, kaylee, uh, inside is in a case
right behind you.
So, uh, fire in a case rightbehind you, so you can fire it
up whenever you want.
Again, another movie about themeaning of being a man, which is
, you know, tough, so important.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
You're really trying to figure that one out, huh, Max
Just kidding, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
What other bad thing did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
How you forget everything I said gone, girl,
okay part of me thinks girl witha dragon tattoo should be here
instead of gone girl oh yeah, ifyou're taking gone girl off, I
think dragon tattoo has to go onmore impressive, just more
impressive to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
So I get that.
I get that feeling that GoneGirl needs to be off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
So the movies that I would like to see completely
removed already discussedeverything everywhere all at
once At 13,.
I'm not even trying to move itback, I'm just trying to clear
it off.
It's really funny to like.
I get that it's going to stayon these lists for a really long
time.
However, the tide is alreadystarting to shift, like anytime

(01:03:24):
that there is a screen grab of atop 20 list where this film is
included, I always screenshotone of the.
It's always inevitably going tobecome one of the top comments
on this post and I'll send it tomax because it's somebody
saying like how long until wecan be honest about everything
everywhere all at?
once like that the mindset oflike I don't know if it was the

(01:03:46):
pandemic, I don't know if it'sbecause the marvel fatigue, the
superhero fatigue was so big andthis felt close to that, but in
this sort of like art house,international flavor that folks
thought was like a lot more funto support.
I don't know.
It's just it's a movie that hasnever worked for me and that I
think a lot more people arestarting to come around on.

(01:04:07):
Obviously not for this list, asit's still so high.
Another movie that I have beenon the corner for with my
pitchfork since its release in2006 is the Departed.
The Departed clocks in at 25.
Get it out of here.
It's really high.
It's the kind of movie that wemade so many of from like 1985

(01:04:33):
to 2007.
And this one just happened tohave a great cast and be
directed by martin scorsese.
The story is not interesting atall and the performances have
only aged like they've onlybecome they, they're, they've
really aged poorly.
Yeah, they've only become morelaughable, really.
Um, aside from maybe, like Ithink leo is still actually

(01:04:55):
great in the movie and I thinkdamon is also really, really
good in the movie everybody elseyou're just like, what are we
doing here, like it feels likean snl skit and so the departed
can leave.
And then a movie that, like youwant, so many of these films do
have their like culturalfootprint, and so I get why
something like everythingeverywhere all at once is still
on the list.
That's a best picture winner.

(01:05:16):
I get why the departed is onthe list that's another best
picture winner.
Like they're gonna have theirfan clubs.
Max, you liked this movie.
Maybe you really liked thismovie.
I don't think you loved thismovie when it came out.
Some people loved this moviewhen it came out.
When was the last time youheard someone talk about tar?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
that's interesting hot's 68.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
You want to talk about like a nothing burger of
of a movie.
As far as, like remembering itor what you know, we talked
about the master, like what wasthis?
What was this movie trying tosay?
You know, like this person,lydia tar, you like I went into
the movie thinking like, oh, isthis a real person?
Am I, is this sort of like abased on the real?

(01:06:00):
it's not even you know like,that's just we're asking to be
invested in something that justfeels like so inconsequential by
the end of of the movie and umyeah, and people I don't know,
tarr is nothing to me yeah, whenI, when I was so excited to see
that movie, I saw it a littlelike late, like I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I saw it like many months after it been released
and like people were just like Idon't know if you're gonna like
it.
It's so weird.
I don't know if you're likegonna like it, it's so like and
it's not even weird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
It's not even that weird it really surprised me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
When I started watching it I was like there's
like two very short experimentalsequences, like very short,
there's like two or three.
It's just like, and there'ssome like cool bisexual lighting
, like the hartman has like coollighting, like there's like
some cool things in it.
But yeah, it's like not.
Yeah, I'm with you, that's aninteresting one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
When I saw that someone was when, I was
surprised by too, because it'sso, it's so recent, so recent
and just was like another thing,yeah yeah um, max, you
mentioned sinners, and then I'vealready mentioned this one too,
but I could do without,especially since it's barely
making the cut at 93.
We can take Killers of theFlower Moon off this list, and
now maybe that's one that in 10years has been reclaimed.

(01:07:11):
You know, max I think you'vesaid this before that like we
are going to come around on thismovie Kaylee sounds like you
agree as well, but like as itstands right now, I don't think
there's there's any need to haveKillers of the Flower Moon on
this list.
Maybe if for no other reasonthan to say, like, look at the
time it still was appreciated ina way that maybe, like the

(01:07:31):
awards bodies didn't give itenough attention, but it was
kind of more of an honorablemention for me.
Here, the big ones areeverything everywhere all at
once the departed and tar Nice.
Okay, now, this is the last two, our final sections here.
Save these for the end, becausethey're the ones that I'm sort
of most interested in.
This is where we can have a lotof fun Three movies that have

(01:07:53):
that are not on this list at all, and three movies that have
that are not on this list at all.
Um, and of course there can beothers, like I have.
I think I have like eightmovies written down here.
I have my big three there, butum movies that you two would add
to the the top 100 list I, Iwrote down 15 movies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So uh, you guys go first, I'm dead okay so I'm
gonna go with a few.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
What am I doing here?
Okay, so, because I also wroteon a lot, but I have three, I'm
going to get it narrowed down tothree.
I'm going to add Josie and thePussycats is such a
representative of our time and,like corruption and the media, I
want it to be added.
Since they just decide thatmovies that just came out should
be on the list, would add thesubstance substance was so good.

(01:08:37):
If we're gonna go with theseweird recent movies.
I would add the substance and Iwould add best in show as a
final like comedy, because thatis my favorite all-time comedy
love christopher guest.
Where is christopher guest?
I don't even I had to look atthat.
I was also like three.
I added that were 1999, ofcourse, because 1999 is the best
year.
There were like three.
I was like.
I would add.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
I was like oh nope, it's 99 I was saying I I almost
did that as well.
I love those pics.
So, because you're doing a lotof what you're doing, the work
that we talked about should have.
That should have been done atthe beginning where, like, by
adding the substance, we'regetting more, even more
international flair.
Yeah, we're adding a femaledirector, josie and the
pussycats, more of a femalestory and, best in Show, more

(01:09:16):
diversity within genres byadding a comedy.
So those are all great picks,okay.
So I'll do a couple honorablementions first here and kind of
save my big three, because Iwonder if Max and I have any
crossover.
I mentioned Sicario.
I think Sicario has got to beon this list.
I think that Melancholia fromLarsario has got to be on this

(01:09:36):
list.
I think that melancholia fromlars von trier should should be
on this list.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
That's on my list too , yeah yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I also think that the dreamers from 2003, bernardo
bucciatelli's film, um, shouldbe on this list, and then I also
I already mentioned um a fewother yorgos films the killing
of the sacred deer I thinkthere's a great argument for
that.
You could probably even makethe argument for something like
the lobster.
The movie, though, that thatneeds to be on the top 100 list

(01:10:03):
is dog tooth, and I know dogtooth is about to have, I think,
a 15 year anniversary 4krestoration come out.
That's going to make its um.
It's going to make a cycle umaround in theaters, and and then
, hopefully, it gets umredistributed, like the 4k scan
um for a boutique blu-rayrelease, because that's a movie

(01:10:26):
that just more people need tosee.
He has never been more famousthan he is now, and so I would
love to see dog tooth be on thislist to help raise some of that
awareness as well.
But, again, those are onlyhonorable mentions.
My big three are still to come.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I still haven't seen Dogtooth all the way through.
Just want to say that I wouldvote the lobster over Dogtooth
being on the list, but I lovethe idea of getting more yogas
in here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, Do you kind of have like a big three and then
another tier, Max, that you wantto go through?
You can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Max Well, so Best in Show is the first one I thought
of, and Kaylee touched on that.
I also had Sicario on here.
I would love to see the bigthree.
I guess 25th Hour right, Becausewe need to get Spike on this
Like that cool and I think thatmovie is like one of his most

(01:11:17):
underrated films and is isfantastic.
There's no Michael Mann on thelist and I am a huge collateral
fan, so I would love to see thatput on there and then you know,
I mean, if we're going to throwsome more horror in there.
I think the Witch does deserveto be on the top 100 as the

(01:11:43):
Eggers representation out of thefilms he's made so far.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
The Lighthouse did clock in in 97.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Which is surprising.
It's surprising the Light overthe witch.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I agree where I love that makes sense, I think that
I'm not a horror head, thoughI'm not a horror head but yeah,
the lighthouse is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
I think the lighthouse in the moment got
more attention.
But again, you want to talkabout the movies that have lived
on.
I think that.
I mean, I think that they bothhave lived on already, but but
the witch has more legs already.
That was a 2015 film and thelighthouse was 2019 yeah, yeah,
uh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I just, I I think the witch and the witch is a bit
more, like you know, classic,like through horror listen, the
witch is scary as fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Yeah, I think the lighthouse is like doing so much
more to forward the art form.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
The lighthouse to me is with the black and white and
the aspect ratio yes and no.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Those are also kind of gimmicks, kind of, but also
even the way the story plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Is it one person, is it two people?

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yeah, exactly, and the drunken.
There's more to chew on thesequences and the way the camera
is moving and those crazysequences between defoe and
robert pattinson, like thoseperformances are so much more
exciting to me.
I mean I feel like the bestpart of the witch is the goat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
the best performance in the witch is an animal but
but honestly again, like you,could you, if, if you did one of
these street interviews thatyou see on Instagram or whatever
, and and you ask, oh, do youlike movies?
And someone says yes, and youknow, you ask him, what's black,
who's Black Phillip, or whatmovies Black Phillip from, I
think a lot of people are goingto be able to answer the witch

(01:13:28):
Like, even though that was sortof said in jest, I think that
that shows the movie's impact.
Is that like?
It is very?
I mean, there's room for both.
If I'm, if I'm making this roomfor both.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
How about this?
I'll I'll retract the witch.
Since we already have eggers onhere, I'd like to put green
room on the list, cause again,another movie that, like I've
I've recommended a lot and, likeeveryone who comes, everyone
who watches it and comes back tome says that movie was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Yeah, I have a few notable mentions, A few quick
ones.
Sexy Beast, Love Blazer Underthe Skin.
You brought Under the Skinearlier.
I would vote Under the Skinover Sexy Beast probably.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
And Under the Skin.
To be be fair is on the criticslist.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
It just didn't make the readers list yeah, so good,
one of my favorites, superinspirational, um.
And then this is kind of aniche female filmmaker, one
honey boy, and not niche, likeit's not like nobody knows about
it, but like niche, meaninglike maybe it's not deserving of
being on this list but likemaybe I would add it to this
list because I think that itdoes some really interesting
things, like the beginning withlike lucas hedges on like the

(01:14:40):
the big setup and he's doing theshia labeouf bit where he's
like the movie star, likethere's just like some really
cool creative bits in that onethat I think are groundbreaking
potentially.
And my two last mentions velvetunderground doc by todd haynes
is really dope, highly suggestwatching.
Just like really cool visuals.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
There's like no documentaries on this list.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, I don't know if documentaries even are
applicable.
Maybe they're not evenconsidering them, I'm sure
probably not, because I feellike our generation is so
documentary crazed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
They would probably a bunch in there.
I think Grizzly man is oncritics, it is.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
And then, once again, if we're doing a recency, I
would maybe do sing, sing, Ithink sing sing is pretty
unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Um, but yeah, um, okay, so I mean my big three
that I'm actually going to addhere.
Um, outside of my honorablementions, this is also feeding
two birds with one stone.
We need more female directorson this list.
We need more horror films onthis list.
So give me american psycho.
You want to talk about a moviethat?

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
is crazy.
It's not on there that is everpresent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Um, whether it's in meme culture or you know, you
talk about brad easton ellis asan author and the adaptation and
the choices made from page toscript, like it is.
American psycho is just one ofthe most influential, darkly and
deeply funny, while also beingdisturbing, movies of this
century, and so shout out toMary Herron for everything she

(01:16:05):
did in directing that film.
Um, shout out, patrick Bateman,just like American Psycho is
untouchable.
It's literally eternal.
That movie's live on foreverand so American Psycho needs to
be on this list.
Donnie Darko, for a lot of thesame reasons, needs to be on
this list.
I can't believe that neither ofthose two films are there
because, again, you do this, youcan do this filter on

(01:16:27):
Letterboxd where you go popularthis week, these movies are not
in the top 10.
They might not be in the top 20, but you look, max and I did
this like quick exercise lastweek, sort of off air, before we
signed off.
I went on there and right nextto movies like Get Out and Lady
Bird and other and Once Upon aTime in Hollywood, movies that
have no real reason to stickaround within like the top 20 to

(01:16:52):
top 40.
As far as, like most popular,popular, most popular and most
watched and re-logged movies.
You know, it's not like there'sanother um jake gyllenhaal
movie coming out so people arerevisiting his, his movies.
Or it's not like richard kelly,who really is a one-hit wonder
as a director, is like ever inthe news or something like that.
But for whatever reason, likedonnie darko, is always being

(01:17:13):
re-watched, it's always beingtalked about.
There's so much iconographybehind my character the
soundtrack is, I think,universally considered one of
the best soundtracks, uh, maybeever.
And so that that film 100deserves to be on here.
And then this third one I kindof struggled with, because I
know that a lot has been madeabout the, the honesty of the

(01:17:38):
storytelling, um, and maybethat's not even the right way to
put it the adaptation, though,of sort of the true crime
narrative that um helped writethe script for zero dark 30, but
like, zero dark 30 is one ofthe most propulsive cat and
mouse, intense Crime storiesI've ever watched like.

(01:18:05):
And so again, we're doing a lotof stuff here.
We're putting a CatherineBigelow film in.
In the movie, jessicaChastain's character is so good
in this film I get that a lot ofliberties were taken in trying
to embellish the story and maybemake it more exciting than
perhaps it really was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
But, like, the tagline of the movie is the
greatest manhunt in the historyof the world.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Literally, that is the tagline of the film.
And you want to talk about thedefinition of a rewatchable.
I can just like hear someonesay a word that I know is used
in a line of dialogue from thatfilm and I'm like I need to go
home and watch Zero Dark Thirty.
Or like there's so much Like Isee Chris, literally like I see

(01:18:51):
Chris Pratt in some shittyJurassic Park movie and I'm like
I need to go watch Zero DarkThirty because he's in that
movie for like five minutes andhe's awesome.
Or like Mark Strong or KyleChandler, any of these people
that just kind of populate likeone or two scenes.
I think about them.
It's like who they are to me istheir character in Zero Dark
Thirty, and that has nothing todo um with with Chastain's

(01:19:13):
character and and she's justamazing and as, as I think, just
a phenomenal actress who's oneof the best actors of our time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
A hundred percent a couple years ago, right for
tammy faye and so we weretalking about that the other day
like I haven't seen tammy faye,but I'm glad she got recognized
.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
It's so great that she has the best actress um
statue there, and and so zerodark 30 to me, um, I think needs
needs to be on this list.
And and so zero dark 30 to me,um, I think needs needs to be on
this list.
And if not zero dark 30, thenput the hurt locker on there,
because Catherine's Catherine'shad a um I would say an
abbreviated um career in the2000 and the two thousands.

(01:19:50):
You know she hasn't made asmany films as a lot of people
would like her to make, but thestuff that she made is has all
been really solid and so, yeah,for me it's zero dark 30 as as
the one that should be on thereyeah, some other uh, so my long
list I I also had shawn of thedead.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I had uh prisoners.
You know, if we're gonna takeone of these off, let's put
prisoners on there for DennySteve Jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
I hate Steve Jobs so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Sorry, okay, what you just said is wait.
What you just said is reallyinteresting.
You said signs, signs.
Yes, signs are unbreakable.
I didn't even think about this,but because we can't do the
sixth sense right, that's 1999.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
No, we need night on there we do need night on here
uh, and for my money it's signsunbreakable, I think.
I think, definitely deserving aswell.
Um, you know as, and it couldbe a, you know it's a superhero
movie that could, you know, takeout spider-man across
spider-verse or something likethat, right, yeah, um, uh, what

(01:20:58):
I said, 25th hour, but listen, Ihad pirates of the caribbean on
my long list.
Like the original pirates ofthe caribbean, uh was a
monumental film for disney liveaction for uh big block summer
blockbusters, you know know.
It reintroduced Johnny Depp toa whole new generation, for

(01:21:19):
better or worse, orlando Bloom,kara Knightley, jeffrey Rush,
and like the year that moviecame out, I mean that it's such
a great representation of bigblockbuster.
But like the power of moviesyeah it is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Does this have to do with playing Skull King, though?
Is it because you just love thecard game skull king, where
you're pirates?
There's this like game that wewere playing, and we were
watching pirates the caribbean,and max just seemed like he was
in like heaven watching piratesof caribbean while like trying
to win at this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Really fun, like skull king card game I of board
games, I think is heighteninghis emotions on this one.
Well, I'm just trying to definethe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You know the definition of being you know,
you mentioned not to interruptbut you mentioned orlando, bloom
, kingdom of heaven, I think isone of these movies where like I
think the the reclamationprocess has happened online for
this film, in that people havehave revisited it enough times
and come around on it, so wouldlike to see that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Francis Haw, which is on the critics it is on the
critics list, yeah Littlechildren, which again like it's
just a movie that I feel likehas been lost the time, but like
, yeah, if we're going to taketar off, let's put Little
Children in there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, the better, todd.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Field film from this century.
Castaway.
I don't think there is a TomHanks movie on this list.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Oh, interesting, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
And listen, castaway again, just a singular, you know
one person movie that's insaneand one that is rewatched all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
And one that feels like there's not too.
I mean a lot of these movies.
One of their defining traitsare like was there sort of a
monoculture moment around thismovie and when Castaway came out
, you could talk to anyone at adinner party, barbecue at school
, whatever it was, and likeeveryone had seen Castaway.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah, and then I also have the aviator which I is I
hold higher than the departedthree 10 to Yuma.
You know, I don't think thereare any westerns, maybe a couple
west.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Those are both good picks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I like those but 310 to yuma for my money is like the
best western of the 21stcentury.
Um, catch me, if you can.
There's very little spielbergon this list, or minority report
, which I knowity Report madethe critics list and I know
Spielberg is.
He is if this is the 21st, sohe's like a 20th century

(01:24:08):
director.
But I still think MinorityReport, or Catch Me, if you Can,
you can find a spot for it.
And then First Reformed fromPaul Schrader.
Yes, that should have been onthe critics.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
That should have been on the critics.
That should have been on thecritics.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
That one's so good I don't know if it is, I don't I
don't think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
It should have been um.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, I think uh, but yeah, we need.
We need a paul schrader movieon here I agree with that as
well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Okay, so then, last one, as the list stands right
now, with none of our additions,none of our subtractions, as
the list reads, do you have afavorite section?
And so what I mean by that islike, when you look at the list,
are you like, wow, films 60through 70 really speak to me,
or do you feel like the top 10is like really accurate and

(01:24:51):
that's what you may be mostaligned with?
And so what is your favoritesection of the list?
um, I have a section uh 72through 79 brother I got, I
wrote 81 through or I wrote 71through 80 wow, you guys are so
insane cute uncut gems,spotlight, black swan boyhood.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Worst person in the world, the prestige.
Michael clayton, which is alsoanother movie that could be
moved up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Uh and young girl, yeah this was actually easier,
easier than I thought.
When I looked at it I was likethis is so solid here, um, and,
and you could even.
You know, if you want to gofrom from 70 to 80, then you get
the florida project in thereand sean baker get some love.
71 is the tree of life.
So terrence malik, because Ialso feel like, um, a new world

(01:25:40):
could have been on here, but I'mhappy that the Tree of Life is
there.
And then, yeah, you hit.
You hit all the others UncutGems, spotlight, black Swan,
boyhood, worst Person in theWorld, prestige, which, for my
money, like the Prestige, isprobably my favorite Nolan film.
And then even, like you know,if you're going to have recency
bias, not that Uncut Gems isn'trecent, but Anatomy of Fall is

(01:26:01):
super solid movie and to havethat at 80 is, I feel like,
pretty well placed.
So, yeah, wow, great job.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Bud Love that.
So mine are both.
I have like two kind ofsections.
I like what you guys diddifferent numbers I was really
trying to do like a 10, likekeep it to the 10s, or like a,
you know, like even um, I thinkI would do I mean, that's what
we did 70 through 80, those areall 70 through 80 yeah, yeah
totally yeah, but I did some inthe middle as it makes more
sense for me.
I'm noticing like, if I do likethis one, like 17 through 27, oh

(01:26:32):
got, you okay get out, I wastrying to keep it even there.
It's like get out, moonlight,whiplash, arrival, children of
men, grand boot, this, thesethree kind of skip grand
budapest, oppenheimer, inception, the departed, and then porch
of a lady on fire and dune, parttwo so, but the first, like
that little pocket there, maybelike a fiver, like get out,
moonlight, whiplash, arrival,children of men, that's my

(01:26:54):
favorite good one that's myfavorite pocket and then my
other one is 36 or let's see.
No, I haven't seen after sun,but I know I'm gonna love that
one, so maybe I just.
Yeah, I also haven't seen oldboy, but I really love like
ladybird.
City of god.
Call me by your name.
I feel like that's a cool littlepocket pan's labyrinth
absolutely those four feels likea really good little pocket.

(01:27:15):
Probably could add after sunI'm sure I'm gonna love that one
.
I can't wait to finally see it.
Um, I haven't seen old boy, butyeah, also good.
So, redoing this pocket so thiswould be 35 through 45, right?
So after sun, ladybird, city ofgod, call me by your name pan's
labyrinth, old boy, zodiac,little miss sunshine uh sorry,
lauder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Two towers, wally water did you just call it
lauder?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
isn't that what it is ?
Isn't that a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Lord of the Rings and people just say L-O-T-R really.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
I've heard Lauder.
I've heard someone say thatsome of our listeners are going
to be like, yeah, I've saidLauder, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Hayley's promised me that she will be joining me on
the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Lauder Red.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Yes, I need to re-watch all of them I have two
towers would be my choice if Iwere to choose one that I really
love.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Yeah, um, yeah, okay, well, I mean any any final
thoughts, like any movie that wehaven't really brought up, um,
or anything else that that youguys want to give a shout out to
.
On this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
You didn't get to give your zola, wasn't zola one
you were saying earlier.
You were like I want to talkabout zola, or well just I
brought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I brought it up real quick when I said you know,
something that I'm unhappy withwas that the women directors in
the bipoc yeah representation,and so zola fits into both those
categories.
Janick sabravo, as the director,I think, would have loved to
have seen that.
That's also where, like Ibrought up the substance, you
did as well.
Yeah, um, but yeah, I mean inthat there's a lot of movies

(01:28:54):
there, you know.
That's also where katherinebigelow got got mentioned
earlier with the, with the hurtlocker, but promising young
woman, 12 years, a slave, roma,like these are all films that
were nominated for academyawards.
You know, if not best picture,um, you know titan wins the palm
d'or, it it can when that filmcomes out, and so I didn't know
that one won palm d'or, that's Iwas I was really surprised, um,

(01:29:15):
to not see some of those filmson this list, especially because
I feel like a lot of the, youknow, out of the 200 000 people
that voted online here, um, orwho submitted their lists online
, that for the most part, I feellike those are films that maybe
they just maybe they don't havethat like um, and not that
donnie or american psycho madethe list, but like maybe they

(01:29:37):
just don't kind of have thatthat ever presence feel to them.
Yet, you know, like it takes aminute to kind of think about
like oh, yeah, god, roma was sogood.
Or like, yeah, promising youngwoman really was.
Like I have promising youngwoman still.
It's like that one of my topthree favorite movies of the of
the 2020s, nice, like that wasjust such a a high, I think, for

(01:30:01):
for not only carrie mulliganbut emerald finnell as well, and
so, um, yeah, there's, there'sthat, and then I mean I just
haven't, I haven't reallybrought up just because I think
it's, I think it's well placed.
Like if I was making this list,it would probably be top 30 as
well.
Um, but just happy that it wasthere, and so, like, if you
haven't seen the handmaiden, gowatch the handmaiden.
You know Park Chan-wook hasanother film coming out this

(01:30:22):
year, so I think a lot of peopleare going to be revisiting his
filmography here soon.
But like that's one of myfavorite movies of all time,
honestly.
And and then, yeah, aside fromthat, I mean I think everything
I love seeing in GloriousBastards and Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood, both in the top 30,because those are the two
Quentin movies I think that Ikind of waffle back and forth

(01:30:44):
between being like his beststuff and especially if we can't
include something like PulpFiction, because this is a 21st
century list, then I think thatthose are pretty well placed as
well on this list.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I was going to add one more notable mention of like
on the list.
I think they're on this likecity of God, Like I feel like
most cinephiles have seen cityof God but, if you are not a
full on cinephile or you havenot missed that one, that's to
me could be even moved up andit's just, yeah, one of the best
movies ever.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I think that's a great.
I always talk about that filmas being like a great gateway
movie into trying to get intointernational cinema, like if
you haven't watched a lot andand you're trying to figure out
like what you're looking for andyou're really, and if and if
you like, if I can tell someoneserious in in the question, then
I'm like, yeah, sit down andwatch city of god.

(01:31:32):
It's over two hours and it's alittle challenging and it's a
little violent at times, butlike it's going to feel like
you're watching a 90s scorsesemovie.
It's going to feel like you'rewatching yes, it's going to feel
like you're watching a 90sScorsese movie.
It's going to feel like you'rewatching Goodfellas.
It's going to feel like you'rewatching something familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yes, en Profet, the French film which is on the
critics list, I believe, also,is one that's like that.
You get these like America,kind of like American film has
this crime element.
That kind of can give you acrossover where it feels
familiar but is much darker andcrazier because it's
international.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Yeah, Different where it feels familiar but is much
darker and crazier because it'sinternational.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, different, different rules.
Yeah, alex just paid me a hugecompliment because city of God
was definitely in early, likewhen we were 15, 16,.
Alex, let me borrow that DVD.
So thank you for thinking I'mserious.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Oh, I knew you were serious from the jump.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Yeah, um man no oh I knew you were serious from the
jump.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, yeah, um, serious man.
No, this is great, and I guessI should.
You know, we did say thatcomedies were a little
underrepresented.
As I'm doing one more scroll,we did give mean girls it's
flowers.
Um, you know, bridesmaids, isit 90?
Yes, the best, and, and sothere are a few, and barbie, you
know, is if, if you are goingto be, you know, putting Barbie
in a video store, you're puttingBarbie in the comedy section.

(01:32:45):
So there are, there are somecomedies on here as well.
Also, you know, max, you touchedon the animated stuff, but we
didn't really get to talk aboutlike Pixar's influence or
Disney's influence too much.
And that's not to say that it'snot here and we did it by
design.
But like wally's on the list,ratatouille's on the list, I
think that those are well placedand and happy to see.

(01:33:08):
Um, what was the other one upup is on the list.
Yeah, we talked about the twomiyazaki movies that are on the
list and so, for the most part,I mean like it'll be interesting
to hear some feedback and seeif people just think we bitched
this entire episode I have onemore add in Go ahead.
I'm just gonna find, I'm gonnabook in my thoughts by saying

(01:33:28):
that, like in totality, when Ilook at this list, I feel pretty
good about it.
I feel like the readers, forthe most part, got a lot of
stuff right as far as at leastincluding movies that have stood
the test of time and, I think,will continue to stand the test
of time I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
I just wanted to add one more, like we're thinking
about filmmakers that got in, orlike, uh, thinking of like adam
mckay, who I love.
He has money ball, money ballis on here which is a brilliant
film, but like at least for me.
my mom and I talk about the bigshort, like all the or like the
big short is like a constant um,or even something like vice,
which was very like challengingand weird and crazy.

(01:34:07):
Anyway, just thinking we couldmaybe, if there was room to pull
some things out, add some more.
Adam McKay, Cause he is him andhis editor as a combo are like
two of my favorite cinematicbrains.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
They're very funny, they're and they're very funny
they're, and they're greatbecause they combine humor and
drama so well, like dark comedy.
They're, they're, they're kings, just just a little correction
there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Adam mckay did not do moneyball, so I didn't cut it
out.
Why do I think of that as hisstyle, though?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
but anyway oh well, either way there should be adam
mckay here.
Um, something I just noticedactually.
Uh, moonlight is behind la laland, which I think is is a
really bad move.
Uh, moonlight won the the bestpicture and moonlight, honestly,
should be up probably in thatnine spot for eternal sunshine
of the spotless mind.
I don't know how you two feelabout that movie, but, uh, I

(01:34:57):
think moonlight uh deserves tobe in the top 10.
I mean, I definitely agree withthat.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
I think moonlight, moonlight can replace one of
those n to be in the top 10.
I mean, I definitely agree withthat.
I think Moonlight.
Moonlight can replace one ofthose Nolan films in the top 10.
Mad Max even yeah, or Mad Max.
I think Get Out could replaceeither of those films.
Also Eternal Sunshine, you know.
Yeah, also Adam.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
McKay was a writer on Moneyball.
For that, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
And then also I love that out of all three of the low
tar movies, Fellowship is thefirst one on the list, at number
14, because I feel like Alexand I have always been on
Fellowship Island where webelieve that is the best of the
three, so that's cool to seethat represented.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Yeah, I do agree with that.
I think they got the rankingsof all three Loader movies
correct.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Two Towers is my favorite, but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
I think that's the.
Yeah, I mean that's for aseparate podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Yeah, we've had enough, we've had enough, we've
had enough.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Pretty good stuff, though I tried to run.
I went over to good old chatGPT and I tried to copy and
paste my Letterboxd physicalmedia owned list and have it
cross-reference with this listto see if it could tell me how
many of these movies I own.
And it needed me to, like,individually list my movies and

(01:36:25):
not just give it a link.
And I was like, well, I'm notgoing to sit here and even like,
try to export 400 movies offthis list and to telling you,
but, like if I was going to givea rough estimate, I would say
that I mean we, we all kind ofput our little emojis.
I think there's only there.
There's, there's less than 10of these films that I haven't
seen, but when it came, when itcomes to like how many I own, I

(01:36:48):
would probably put it at aboutlike 40 to 50 percent I would
say I probably own of thesefilms.
So just another sort oftestament to to the longevity of
them.
I don't know where you sort ofstand with those between the two
of your collections which I'msure I hate that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I know this much about AI, but if you send it
screenshots, it should be ableto process.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Interesting Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I yeah out of the, out of the top 100, I think I
was sitting at like eight that Ihaven't seen.
As far as owning, I meanprobably 60% somewhere around
there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
I would guess like 30%.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Are you kidding?
I mean I own.
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
I mean, I don't have any.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
I own one through 10, at least right.
And then I own, we own 11, 12.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
You own Mulholland Drive.
I believe we do own.
I believe we have a copyllandDrive.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I believe we do own.
I believe we have a copy, don'twe?

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I was like there would be zero excuse, there
would be zero excuse, I'verecently been noticing that Max
thinks he has more than he has,I'll be like talking about
movies.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Oh, we have that at home and I'm like, no, we have.
We have Lost Highway, we haveInland Empire.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Those aren't on here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Right, I thought we had Mulholland Drive.
Well, yeah, anyways, I'mwaiting to see Mulholland Drive
in a theater.
Also, we haven't mentioned thenumber one movie on this list.
Yeah fair, which is BongJoon-ho's Parasite.
Yeah, from 2019.
Again, I guess it's not in the2020s, so maybe it's out of the

(01:38:26):
recency bias thing, but, um,just pretty incredible that that
is, as far as a reader's choice, the number one movie of the of
the yeah, it's on both.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
It's number one, number one it is on both is
number one, yeah that's pretty,that's pretty amazing I, the
interesting thing about that isthat it's it feels so chalk now,
um, and and I would say overthe last like three years, it's
probably been this way where,like it's just like, oh yeah,
parasite, like it's the bestmovie of of the 21st century and

(01:39:01):
every time I watch it I love it, I think it's a five-star movie
, but like, even when we did ourbong episode, um, you know, it
all comes down to personalpreference, right, but like I
rather watch memories of murder,which I, I know is on the
critics list, I'm not sure it'son this list as well.
49, 49 okay, um, and and andagain.

(01:39:24):
This is another like it'sanother really good entry point
for people, I think, to get intointernational cinema, right
like it's.
It's a familiar feeling.
It's kind of like it's almostfincher-esque, um, it's, it's
this great like soft thriller,family drama, thriller, that
that I think just like it'sreally palatable.
It's really easy for people toto sort of digest while watching

(01:39:47):
something that feels new andexciting.
And so, yeah, I mean, if it'sgoing to be the defining movie
of of the 21st century, I thinkI'm okay with that.
You know, like, we'll, we'llsee.
I don't.
I don't really see anything onthis list having some sort of
like second life that that wouldjump it.

(01:40:08):
You know, like I thinkMulholland Drive is probably
going to stay in that top 10.
I think that the two from 07,there Will Be Blood and no
Country for Old Men will stay inthis list.
I or in the top 10, you knowthink something like spirited
away will stay in the top 10,but I don't see any of those
like making a push to to jumpparasite.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yeah yeah, maybe we have, we just haven't seen it
yet yeah, yeah, all right, well,that'll.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
That'll do it for our conversation on the new york
times top 100 films reader'schoice edition of the 21st
century.
Kaylee, thanks so much forjoining us again.
We, of course, hope you enjoyedyour time on the New York Times
Top 100 Films Reader's ChoiceEdition of the 21st Century.
Kaylee, thanks so much forjoining us again.
We, of course, hope you enjoyedyour time on the show.
As for what's next, here on thepodcast, we have one of our
collective most anticipatedfilms of the year releasing this
weekend Zack Craigor's Weapons.

(01:40:56):
His follow-up to Barbarianopens wide and is sure to stir
up quite the discussion.
Max, I know you're ready forthis one.
Um, what are you looking?
Highly anticipated, uh cannotwait.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Uh, scary children running down a street.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Um, you know, it's got it I haven't watched the
early buzz is good early buzz isgood.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
I've stayed away from trailers, apart from, like the,
I think, the first teaser thatcame out.
Yeah, yeah, I, I'm hoping, I'mhoping to see another top five
movie of the year this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Yeah, very excited for this one, so that would
probably be more of like atraditional review episode next
week and, and and that's in ushoping that it gives us enough
to sort of chew on here for 45minutes or so.
So that'll be a lot of fun.
Until next time, of course,please follow excuse the
intermission on Instagram andthe two of us on letterboxd to
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