April 24, 2025 • 52 mins
A stunning achievement in genre filmmaking, "Sinners" transports us to the Mississippi Delta of 1932 where twin brothers find themselves caught between supernatural evil and the harsh realities of Jim Crow America. Ryan Coogler's masterful direction elevates what could have been a standard vampire tale into something truly extraordinary – a rich, textured exploration of brotherhood, community, and survival against impossible odds.
Michael B. Jordan delivers what might be his career-best performance, portraying twins Smoke and Stack with such distinct personalities that you'll forget you're watching one actor in dual roles. The brothers return to their hometown with dreams of uplifting their community through music and business, only to face threats both supernatural and all-too-human. When Irish vampire Jack O'Connell arrives with his coven, promising eternal life but demanding blood sacrifice, the brothers must decide what they're willing to sacrifice to protect their people.
Shot on breathtaking 70mm IMAX by cinematographer Autumn Durald Arkapaw (the first woman to use this camera format), every frame feels like a painting that deserves to be studied. The film embraces darkness in ways few mainstream movies dare, creating a visual language that enhances both the horror elements and the historical setting. Ludwig Göransson's blues-infused score weaves throughout, becoming as essential to the storytelling as the dialogue itself.
What makes "Sinners" truly special is how it refuses to be contained by genre expectations. Coogler seamlessly blends horror, drama, action, and even musical elements without ever losing focus on the emotional core of his story. The supporting cast shines throughout – Haley Steinfeld brings fire and strength, newcomer Miles Catton impresses in his debut, and Delroy Lindo delivers gravitas as Delta Slim. Yuami Masuku's portrayal of a hoodoo practitioner adds another layer to this richly textured world.
Don't miss this landmark film that critics are calling the most original and exciting theatrical experience of the year. See it in IMAX if possible – your eyes, ears, and heart will thank you.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
welcome back.
To excuse the intermission, I'mmax fosberg, I'm alex macaulay
and I'm erica kraus, and todaywe are tackling a film that's
got the critics buzzing, the boxoffice booming and the vampires
drooling.
Ryan coogler's Sinners releasedthis past weekend A
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spoiler-free review after thisbreak.
All right, guys, you've let mecommandeer the hosting duties
today as we sit in the studio,for, uh, white might be a long
time here together.
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Um, we are here to talk aboutsinners, and uh, how was I
wanted to know first?
How are both of you sinners?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
doing today.
I am still like rocking backand forth in a corner after
watching sinners like I.
It's like all I've thoughtabout all week, like ever since
I've seen it.
So I'm just like just in thecorner, just like just shaking
and you've, only, you've, only,you only have gone once yeah
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yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I was trying to sneak another show in yesterday.
Yeah, I've only seen it once.
Alex, you've committed thebiggest sin of all you have yet
to go out no, I'm tired bossyou're back.
You're back from spring break,though back from spring break.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The release, I guess, sort of snuck up on me.
The two of you were able to seeit while I think I was doing
like some yard work or something.
Over spring break was just likein a groove, didn't want to
break momentum.
And then you and I were out oftown.
We were actually in a littleharbor town that had a theater
that I guess I could have brokenaway to go see the film.
(02:04):
However, didn't want to take anyextra time away, maybe you and
I could have just done that, butthen I would have been taking
you away from the rest of thegroup.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think all eight of us should have just rolled into
town.
We probably should have donethat.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We honestly probably should have all gone and seen it
.
So, yeah, Then there was ashort window the other night
that was made available to meand just prioritized some sleep
if I'm being completely honest.
It's the home stretch.
We're rounding like the finalturn and we're barreling
downhill towards summer, though.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But yes, the first couple of days back from spring
break have been kicking my butt.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, that's no worries.
Hopefully this movie will be intheaters uh, for quite a while
um sinners.
Uh, came out again on friday.
It stars michael b, jordanhayley, steinfeld, delroy lindo,
among many other names.
Um, it's already pulled in 63million globally, uh, with an
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impressive 48 million openingweekend in the States.
All of this on a 90 milliondollar budget.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I read some controversy surrounding the
reporting of this film's boxoffice, and I forget who it was
that was standing up for itsperformance, but apparently Ben.
Stiller, ben Stiller andsomeone else yes that's right,
thank you.
Apparently there were some sortof inaccuracies surrounding its
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reporting and I don't know ifthat was just an accident and it
was Stiller and other folkscalling out the different
agencies, the new syndicate,saying like hey, do your work.
Or if there was actually somesort of like malpractice, some
dirty laundry, and maybeGooglers piss off the wrong
(03:54):
people, or whatever the case maybe, I don't really want to
speculate, but there wassomething attached to the box
office reporting of this film.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I actually I did see this online.
There was some sort of headline.
Yeah, that was like a big yeahyeah, like sinners, does great
at the box office with a hugeasterisk or something like that.
But I mean, if you look at, ifyou look at the numbers at box
office, mojo, which is where weget the numbers from, this movie
has done, uh, even a littlebetter than the last true
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original film that I think wason a $90 million budget and also
had something around in the 40sfor opening weekend, which was
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
So, yeah, I don't know Peopleare going to be people.
So, yeah, I don't know Peopleare going to be people.
But I think it should becelebrated that and noted that
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original stories, genre pictures, you know, people show up,
people will show up.
And I also think Coogler, youknow, has now entered the
stratosphere as, like a eventdirector.
It seems like people know whoRyan Coogler is and are down to
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go to his movies.
Right which is really excitingbecause he's fucking.
I think he's like 32 orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Okay.
So here's the story.
The $48 million domesticopening is the highest for an
original movie this decade.
Yeah, in the 2020s, however,not however.
But then I guess those who areagainst ryan coogler, perhaps
even the fact that this is ablack led cast, whatever the
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case may be are saying that thisis from puck news, that warner
brothers actually projects abreak-even point of 170 million
dollars, which is accounting forjust ancillary revenue and all
these different things,promotion, um, whatever the case
may be.
So they're really trying to saylike, yes, it made 48 million
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in the states and then worldwideeven more, getting it closer to
that break-even point of like a90 million dollar budget, but
they're saying, actually, 170 iswhat it's going to have to
reach, which let's justcelebrate the good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and every movie has a marketing budget after
the actual budget, which?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
is always near like another 100 million dollars,
basically.
So why we're choosing tohighlight this now is probably
where the outrage comes from,and good on people like ben
stiller and and those, um youknow, in the entertainment
industry that have come tosinners.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's an odd move by warner brothers too, because
guess what?
you have a fucking hit on yourhands for the first time in a
long time and I know there'sbeen some controversy over what
Coogler was able to negotiateout of this deal with Warner
Brothers.
He's got first dollar on everyticket sale goes to Ryan Coogler
, and then the rights to thisstory, this movie, this property
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, revert back to Ryan Coogler in25 years, which, again, I think
the last filmmaker to get thiskind of deal was Tarantino, for
once upon a time in Hollywood uh, over there at, do you do that
universal or paramount?
One of those, um, but yeah, solike, and I know a lot of studio
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execs are like freaking outbecause of this deal.
But you know, I think it's agreat thing to celebrate.
I think Coogler deserves it andit's very smart and like he
wrote a script he said here arethe terms.
No one had to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Agreed to those right .
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So like for Warner to then like kind of like release
this oh, it's actually 170,that's fucking.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's some more shit it just feels super petty and
it's.
It's really unfortunate becauseit's not.
Like you know, musicians, Iknow, go through this a ton with
record labels, directors withfilms, with with the studios, go
through this a bunch.
Okay, boohoo you, you have itfor 25 years, warner brothers,
do what you want with it andthen give the artist the freedom
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that they deserve to still ownand distribute and add on to or
change or do whatever they wantto with the property.
It's like you wouldn't tell apainter, after they've submitted
something to your gallery, thatlike you can't put this
anywhere else now you know, likethere's I'm sure there's
different things in the artworld and things that we don't
understand fully, but, like, letthe artists be in control of
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their own work.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
I think it's something that'sthat's really important.
And you know, yes, it's goingto disrupt what is known as the
studio system, but we need somedisruption right now and if it
gets us more original, you know,new voice filmmakers then I'm
all for it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Warner Brothers, taking the stance that they have
taken would then lead not onlythem but other major studios to
be hesitant in greenlightingoriginal stories because they
don't want to go throughsomething like this again or
give a filmmaker as much controlas Coogler's been able to
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negotiate for himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I think the deal there is like, say, warner
Brothers and no other studio hadpicked up Sinners.
I think Coogler still somehowgets this made right.
I think it's important to notethat Coogler is again.
He is part of this group thatis going to be making movies for
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the next 50 years and he'shonestly done the studio dance.
he's done that for the lastdecade totally, which leads
right into my next question,like what?
What is your guys'srelationship with kugler?
Uh, because yeah, he was anindie darling with fruitville
station, which I watched for thefirst time this week and I
can't believe I had never seenthat before.
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Then he jumps right into creed,uh, which is a big franchise IP
, and then jumps right intoblack Panther.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And then sequels to both those films sequels about
those films.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't think he did Creed two, but he did do Wakanda
forever.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
He's still a producer on the Creed properties, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So, yeah, what?
What is your?
What is your relationship tohis work?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I've seen.
Yeah, I'd seen all of thosemovies.
I haven't seen wakanda foreverbut, um, I don't know, I never
really thought anything of it.
To be totally honest, um, Imean, I do remember when creed
came out and I enjoyed the movieum the girl, the main girl in
that, tessa Thompson.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I think is her name.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
She actually was a.
She used to come into my workall the time when I lived in LA
and around that time when thatmovie was coming out, I believe,
and I think that's why I wentand saw it and I was like this
isn't really my thing, but I wasexcited to go see it and
actually really liked it.
I had seen fruitvale stationonce before.
(11:08):
It's.
It's obviously such an amazingand important movie.
It's really a little heavy forme and I I did try to re-watch
it actually yesterday and I justdidn't have it in me to watch
it like after.
I mean, that sounds so and notto say that I like don't care
about that, but I think justcoming off of like the high from
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sinners, I was like it was hardto like put that, like to kind
of go to that, even though it'sa tough film, even though it
shows you exactly what's goingto happen, Like right in the
beginning, which is very likestark and you know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
but again I think a great move to be like this is
going to be really rough.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Uh, and then to to live through that day with that
character, only to know, like Iknow, how this is going to end.
Really, really crazy and sad.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I think that he's a filmmaker that I I don't
know what, what, that he's afilmmaker that I I don't know
what, what is his, what's hisfastball?
Yet, um, because it it wouldhave been real easy coming off a
fruitville station to say that,okay, here, not only because of
, like, the southern california,los angeles connection, but you
know, he finds not.
(12:20):
He doesn't really find michaelb jordan.
Shout out Friday Night Lights,the television show.
But, like you know, he getsMichael B.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Sure, michael B Jordan, hardball, yeah, but you
know he gets this like directorcombo.
And so you could almost saylike, okay, here is the next,
like John Singleton and LawrenceFishburne team up or whatever
and these guys are going to makemovies together.
And then he goes into, you know, stays with Michael B Jordan,
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but then goes into the franchiseIP universe in two different
fashions, you know one groundedin reality with Rocky, the other
with Marvel, and to varyingdegrees of success.
I would say you know the first,black Panther we've talked
about it a ton on this show BestPicture nominated like a really
really good superhero movie.
And then Creed, one of thebetter sports movies of the 20,
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really the 21st century.
I would say Especially thatfirst one, yeah, and really
brought life back into the Rockyfranchise.
And really brought life backinto the Rocky franchise.
It's different, though, becauseI'm like are we not seeing what
you are best at?
Is it these independent arthouse type of films?
Is this what you really want tomake?
And now it's like do you reallywant to make genre pictures?
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And what are you best at?
Thankfully, as you mentioned,still a very young director who
hopefully gets many more chanceswherever he wants to make
movies.
So the verdict is certainly notout on quality.
We know he's an extremelytalented filmmaker who has
produced every single time.
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And now this isn't to say thateveryone needs to be a John
Carpenter and only stick to onegenre, or everybody needs to be
like a David Fincher or QuentinTarantino and kind of do
everything while still maybeonly making films for adults.
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Could Ryan Coogler make a Pixarmovie next?
Sure, we don't know.
Yet we don't know what's all inhis bag.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So, um, I'd say that's where the verdict for me
is still out on him as far as,like having a relationship like
I'm just not quite sure whatkind of filmmaker he is, yet,
aside from really talented, yeah, he's extremely talented and,
you know, I do think, uh, evengoing back to fruitville I, I
think all five of his films dohe does always kind of tell a
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story about, about race, aboutgenerational, um, you know,
oppression.
Uh, even in and and especiallyin this new film, sinners, like
there is a a uh a celebration ofof of this black film.
Right, it is a black film, itis about black people and black
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culture.
And even going back tofruitville, I, I think that is
kind of like his foundation,because he does it in creed as
well, uh, where you know you're,you're taking the, the son of
the only black character in thatseries, uh, and and making him
the new champion, does it in thePanther movies, obviously,
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black Panther, wakanda, thatwhole, you know, that culture
and part of that world ishighlighted in the lore and the
colors and the costumes.
And then in Sinners too, likethis is based 1932 in the deep
south Delta, mississippi, jimCrow South, and it's about two
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brothers that come back to theirhometown and are trying to give
back to their community ortrying to lift up their
community.
They're twins, so there likeduality in them.
But then there's also thisduality because vampires show up
, but also, like ku klux klanshow up, right, like so, like
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there's there's there's a lot ofuh, uh, deeper themes, I think,
going throughout uh, all of hisfilms, um, which is really
important, and again, kind ofwhen you're talking about
fastball.
Like he, especially withsinners, he does such a good job
of mixing perfectly, blendinggenre and prestige.
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Right, he is able to do this bymaking it a straight up, like
crazy vampire movie that doesn'thave to explain vampires, like
it just automatically expectsyou to know the rules of
vampires, which I really, reallyloved because he respects the
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audience.
But once the vampires show up,like it it goes full vampire
mode.
Up until then, though, likeit's again, it's about this
community, it's about the blues,it's about, you know, the Jim
Crow South, like it's just sucha great blend.
I felt coming out of thetheater and it is.
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It is comic booky in some ways,but it is also fruitville
station in some ways yeah, I,yeah, I mean, you said it best.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I think that the vampire stuff, like you said,
fit in really well witheverything and um, I like what
you said about how like therules of the vampires, um, like
they don't hold your handthrough that and I I noticed
that's a thing because like Ilove vampire like genre movies
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and I I always get reallyexcited when they'll make those
subtle like a rule mention.
You know how like vampires haveto be invited in to whatever
establishment or home orsomething.
They can't just walk through adoorway.
I love that because it's like,unless you know what you already
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know, those established rules,you would be kind of like why
can't they come in?
You?
know what I mean, Like he's justnot hand-holding, but I thought
all of that fit in really well.
Just it all blended togetherand I thought the movie was
absolutely stunning.
I want to talk a little bitabout, like, how it was filmed,
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because I think that's a reallyunique part of the movie is that
it's filmed on 70 millimeterfor IMAX.
And I think what I was readingis that that's kind of a rare
film format.
Is that right or maybe not?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I mean it's becoming more and more popular.
I think Oppenheimer and Nope waswere some of the first films to
really do this.
Of course, hoyt is dp on bothof those this film actually, and
I I need to pull up her nameit's the first woman ever to
shoot on an imax 70 millimetercamera, which is also really,
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really great.
Kugler also had a great quotethis weekend.
Um, that's been making therounds.
You know where he was.
Just like, women are better atfilmmaking than men.
They are more complex, they aremore organized, they are more
um, uh, they're more structuredlike they are better I which was
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a kind of a cool quote autumnderald our um, our carpa.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, is her last name or is her full name?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
yeah, yeah I feel like I, I actually could really
see, I, I can understand that,because I feel like, also, you
know to be a really greatcinematographer and you know
photographer, you have to have alike a really detailed eye, um,
for like aesthetic and it'ssomething.
It's the one of the firstthings I noticed in film.
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Um, it's something that is ahuge hobby of my own, um, and I
I I mean I've never really, Iguess, really thought about that
, but I mean it doesn't.
That fact doesn't surprise me,but, um, yeah, I think women do
have a an eye for, for detailand natural beauty yeah some of
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the shots in this film are just,I mean just I, I don't know,
left me speechless.
I, I really.
This is one of my favoritemovies I have seen in a really
long time I've.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I felt watching it kind of the same way I felt when
I saw Nosferatu, where, again,like Kugler is just not afraid
of darkness you know so manymainstream movies today is a
very they're very flat lighting.
This has such richness to it.
He's shooting a lot withnatural light.
They're on location obviously.
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Like it's not we're not in afucking green screen room in a
studio in the back lot, like weare out somewhere in a farmland
and so like when you, you know,put that together with you know
the IMAX format.
He also, I believe I read thatyou know, put that together with
you know the IMAX format.
He also, I believe I read thatyou know they were using the
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lenses that shot stuff like BenHur back in like the 50s and 60s
.
You know, again, like you, justyou get a better quality and
also like it's on film, whichagain you can, you can taste the
, the photography that you'relooking at when you're watching
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film.
There is such a difference fromdigital and physical.
But yeah, it's beautifully shot.
Ludwig Gorenson is the composerOnce again.
Does he have the belt?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
he taken it from hans like no, I he this top five
right now because you got trentnatticus still.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Trent natticus are still out there as well and and
you know he does something inthis that I feel like trent
natticus are so good at thatthey, when they do a film, they
like pick kind of a genre andreally stick to it and and and
kind of build from within out.
Uh, for the score and like the.
This movie is also reallyhonestly about the blues.
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Um, and the score, the music,the soundscape that is created
in here is fucking awesome.
Uh, it is so good and I'm a bitof a blues head like I.
I really really love that kindof music and so like it would.
It was a little bit like catnipto me, but I think anyone could
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can really really appreciatewhat ludwig is doing.
Yeah, uh, what about theperformances?
Uh, erica michael b jordan hasnow done every one of coogler's
films.
He's also shown up and I meanhe's been a movie star now since
he was you know, 15, 14.
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Um, I do feel like when, whenyou get characters, or when you
get characters, or when you getactors who are going to play
twins it's the same actor, twodifferent characters it can be
very.
It's a little nerve-wrackinggoing into it.
Is it going to work?
Is he going to be able to playoff himself and be able to make
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that believable.
Whatever they did and grantedagain a little comic booky right
.
One is like, in all blue stuffone's all in all red stuff,
right, that'sa little.
That was a little at first Iwas like, oh, that's a little
cheesy.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
like, well, like smoke, smoke has, like the blue
hat and like the blue suitstacks, got the red yeah, okay,
flat brim hat with like redhighlights on his suit and I was
a little worried that that.
At first I was like that that'sa little cheesy, but I I found
that it might be some of michaelb jordan's like best work, like
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the way, and he almost playsagainst type of what you would
expect because you think one'slike a crazy hothead, one's more
of a calm, collective oneperson.
Whereas I believe Smoke is themore hothead one, but then also
like the very stoic and incontrol one, yeah, and stack is
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like he's not so much a hotheadbut he's a little bit more of a
wild card, but like morecommunity based and like
friendly almost.
Uh and wild Um, and I thoughtwhenever they trick photography,
they did to to stitch ittogether.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I thought it worked beautifully there was a couple
shots of them standing likedirectly next to each other in
the very beginning, and Iremember looking at you and just
being like how are they doingthis?
Like it looks so real and itnothing.
I mean just throwing like, justsaying like I don't have a
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single critique about this movie.
There's not a single thing, Imean seriously like there's not
one single thing I would changeabout it.
There's not anything that I'mlike, like I just I have zero
notes.
So I think that michael b jordandid an incredible job playing
these twins, because, you'reright, it wasn't like there
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wasn't this like obvious, likeyin and yang thing, happening
that, like a lot of, I think,writers make twins be like
they're, you know, like thesepolar opposite characters, and
it's like no, they're actuallyreally know like these polar
opposite characters and it'slike no, they're actually really
similar and there's differences, like very obvious differences,
in both of them, but they'reboth very similar in their
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personalities and they balanceeach other pretty well.
But it's there, you can.
I mean they're twins prettywell, but it's there, you can.
I mean they're twins, likethey're very it was very
believable that they're, thatthey were watching two actual
twins on screen.
Like I thought that he wasamazing.
I've never been like not thatI've disliked him ever, but he's
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just not ever been an actorwho's really like I've paid much
attention to.
To be totally honest, yeah, hehas my full attention after this
movie.
I mean, like, seriously, Ithought that he was just so much
fun.
Um, and then the supportingcast was an absolute blast.
I thought hayley steinfeld wasamazing.
Um, I thought the kid whoplayed Sammy was just
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unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Introducing Miles Catton.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
First time acting.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Which is incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Such a voice too, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
His voice was insane.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
A booming voice yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I thought everybody, everyone had such great
chemistry.
Um, I think that you could tellthey all just had a really
great time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I thought jack o'connell was amazing, um I had
no idea who that guy was eitherand like again, like coming in
and throwing a hundred as thevillain of this film.
Um, really, really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I thought he was.
I was really excited to see himin this.
I've only seen him in a couplethings and he is a British actor
and, yeah, I mean he really.
If he's been in anything likepretty mainstream I would not
know what he's been in, but Ithought that he really came out
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swinging with this movie.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And you know what he does so well in this, which I
think is key to when you'replaying a villain.
He's frightening, right, whenhe wants to be, but he is
extremely charming.
Yeah, and he wants to be, buthe is extremely charming.
Yeah, you know, he is a Irishvampire who has probably lived
(28:36):
for a very long time and I lovehow he just he busts through the
doors Like he just busts intothis movie, right, you don't get
him until a good portion intothe movie and I almost kind of
forgot like there were vampires.
I was really into what was goingon before all that.
(28:57):
But then he comes in and like adark storm cloud, dark storm
cloud comes over this, this areain the, in the delta, and he's
charming and he also kind of hasa point as a vampire, like what
he lays out as his offer tothese people like we can live,
(29:25):
you know, if you join this coven, we can live in harmony as one,
as one mind, as one heart.
All the pain you feel I feel.
All the pain I feel you feel.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And I can save you from what's to come Right and we
will live forever, and we willjust dance to Irish folk music
out in the field.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I take that deal.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Seriously, they're having a good time as vampires,
um and and you know, and he alsokind of lays out like I don't
want to get into spoilers, butlike, yeah, he's like, you guys
are fucked either whether youfight me or not and doesn't well
(30:10):
shoot.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That is.
There's a spoiler.
I was going to almost set it,but there is something that's
mentioned, kind of alludingtowards like understanding the
future a little bit from one ofthe characters, and so, yeah, I
I think that the wholepresentation of the vampires was
(30:33):
amazing.
You know, sometimes the vampiregenre can be really hit or miss
.
It can be really tastefullydone, but then sometimes it can
just feel way too cheesy andjust almost like just too
gimmicky.
This was a perfect blend ofboth, in my opinion.
Like I thought it was so fun butit wasn't like nosferatu kind
(30:54):
of, you know stuff like that,but this was still like bloody
vampires, like messy you know,and that was the best part of
that whole thing to me, um, andthen, yeah, I mean, vampires are
notoriously like super charming, like that's kind of what their
(31:14):
whole thing is and it's verytrue um, and he just really
embodied the whole persona welland um, he made it look like a
damn good time out in that fieldwith everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I also want to shout out Yuami Masuku, masuku, yuami
Masuku I believe that's how yousay her name who played Annie.
Oh, I loved Annie she wasfantastic and again, I think
it's so smart of Ryan becauseshe's got like a witchy vibe to
(31:49):
her and then we've got vampires.
We have maybe, you know,there's a that music element
that maybe you could say is asiren and, like you know, I
believe that that there areprobably witches and sirens in
this world where there arevampires and but again, like
(32:09):
it's, it's not something that'sever like exposition dumped or
anything like.
It's just like there arevampires.
So there are probably otherother things going on here and I
really, really love that.
It's just great world building.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, they really touch on, really love that.
It's just great world building.
Yeah, they really touch on.
I mean a lot of you know hoodoopractice in the south is very
historical down there and veryrespected in that culture I mean
they, you know they take thatstuff really seriously and I
loved that he threw in, you know, a character that does practice
a little bit of you hoodoo.
(32:44):
It just speaks on.
It just really like adds somuch more depth to the culture
and the vibe that he was reallyportraying in this community.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, delroy Lindo is excellent as his name Slim
something.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Was he the older Delta Slim?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Delta Slim.
It's right here in front of me.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was just looking for his name too on here,
because he was one of myfavorites.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, delta Slim, he's fantastic.
Omar Benson Miller as Cornbread.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Fantastic character actor, kind of a hoot.
Uh, that guy, you know, heshows up, he's in a lot of spike
lee movies.
Um, I, I know he was like I Ican't remember if it was
remember the titans, or um, oh,what's that rock movie?
That's a football movie uh,grid iron gang grid iron gain, I
think he might be, or coachcarter or something like that I
(33:45):
had to re-watch shall we dance?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
the other day because he's in that movie and he's so
cute.
He's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I love that movie and then uh and then.
Yeah, you already mentioned her, but my girl, hayley steinfeld,
is out of control in this movieshe had max sweaty I took my
hat off and clutched my pearlsat least four times.
I can attest to that I almosthad to move down a seat away
(34:11):
from Erica to have a quietmoment by myself.
Haley Steinfeld is cooking inthis, and there's especially one
scene that, my goodness she wasspitting fire.
(34:33):
It's spitting fire for sure.
Um, yeah, everyone is is just alot of fun, and I think that's
again.
Another thing that you canreally tell is like everyone
probably had a blast making thisand it shows it shows on the
screen.
They're having fun.
You're having fun watching it.
Um, it's by far, I think, myfavorite movie of the year.
Um, and I I don't know it'sgonna be.
(34:56):
It's such a thrill ride, butthen also, at the same time,
just like a beautiful story thatwill tug at your heartstrings.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, it was like.
I think it really has somethingfor everybody it's.
It's fun, it is.
You know, there's a lot of likebeautiful history in it.
It's technically just anabsolute treat.
You know, there's it, it, it,it, it, it, it, it it it Mm.
(35:40):
Hmm, I just didn't expect it tobe what it is Like.
It really has that element ofbeing a big blockbuster, like
fun, like action, like vampiremovie, but it's so, so much more
than that.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, you can watch it as an action movie, a
horror movie, a musical.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's genre-bending in many ways.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The first horror movie to get an, an, a score
right on cinema something.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, and I don't know I it.
You know, I don't know I.
I just said it's genre bending,I think it's.
It's less horror than thananything yeah, uh it's probably
just more action, um, but yeah,man, I guess it's just genre
film.
It's really good and there's,there's I mean there's been
(36:29):
comparisons to like Dust TillDawn, right, like when you think
of vampire movies, johnCarpenter's vampires, of course,
near dark there's, you know,definitely some shout outs to
that.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But my guy Coogler- he said that Dusk Till Dawn was
his main inspiration for thismovie.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, I mean it takes a lot from that film as far as
structure, but my guy Kugler putin just a fantastic homage to
the thing in this film that justhad me giddy, which I really,
really loved.
Yeah, I don't really want tospeak more about it.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You guys have done a great job hyping it up and for
anyone else out there who hasn'tseen it, hopefully they're
intrigued.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I hope we didn't hype it up too much, because a lot
of people are very excited aboutthis film and I think it's
again.
I think it's an important movieright now to show that you know
original stories are.
You know, it might not be thebest movie ever, but like and
there are.
It's not perfect, I don't know.
I don't know, I don't thinkit's perfect, but it is
(37:36):
incredibly enjoyable.
And yeah, Alex, I hope youreally enjoy it.
And again, I hope you don't goin too hyped.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And again, I hope you don't go in too hyped, yeah,
and if you do have, you know, ifanyone who hasn't seen it, you
get the opportunity to see it onIMAX.
That is how it was shot.
It's meant for IMAX.
I cannot recommend it enough.
I usually try to.
I tend to stay away from IMAXjust because it's like more
expensive to go see that andsometimes I'm like, is it
(38:04):
necessary?
I I highly recommend IMAX, justfor the sound alone.
The sound design is amazing inthis movie, but also just
visually I can't recommend itenough.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So yeah, and it also had me again thinking about
Kugler and his, his career, andlike he is in the generation of
Ari Aster, Robert Eckers, JordanPeele, Greta Gerwig, Greta
Gerwig these are again like thefilmmakers of tomorrow and maybe
(38:39):
today.
Right Like they are, they arekind of the the up and-coming
masters, I feel like, and soit's just so exciting.
It's so exciting, I feel likewe're in really good hands with
and Alex Garland right, we werekind of talking about him last
week.
He's, I believe, also kind ofin this generation.
So, yeah, it was an excitingtime at the theater.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Anything else you want to talk about with Sinners,
go out and see it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, go out and see it.
You know, just emphasizing theimportance of, you know,
original stories, go, you know,give movies a chance.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Well, and it's been such a understated year.
So far, so like if you've beenwaiting for a good date night
movie, if you've been waiting togo out and see something
exciting, that's buzzworthy,that has good word of mouth like
this is this is what you'vebeen waiting for, then yeah,
this movie is kind of one ofthose things like I've.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
you know, I I posted a instagram story after we saw
it and I had several peoplereach out and like, oh man, I
was curious about this, likewhat do you think?
And I was like just go see it.
And they you know, thesefriends of mine texted me after
and people like I always kind ofknow that a movie is has good,
(40:08):
good legs on.
It is when my dad will tell melike I really want to see that
movie and I'm like yes we madeit all the way.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
We're going to get Kevin at the movies.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, the Kevo meter.
Yeah, I love it, I love it.
Uh, a couple programming notes.
Yeah, some housekeeping here.
Um, this is, uh, our last showI think I said this at the top
here last show in person, instudio at least, for you know, I
(40:38):
think uh, maybe six months orso um, I mean when you're back
in town, when I'm back in town,I would, I would love yeah,
we'll definitely jump on themics, but it's happening.
I am officially.
You'll be listening to thislisteners on Thursday, so I am
packing my last box and takingoff six days from now and yeah,
(41:01):
we are heading south, we'regoing to LA.
I'm going to be in the thick ofit.
I can't wait.
What did I just see today?
I think a friend of, or one ofour filmmakers from Gig Harbor
Film Festival, izzy Lee.
Did we ever talk to Izzy?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Lee, we did talk to Izzy yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Izzy, I just saw that she is going to be showing her
feature film that she made.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Izzy's the director of Meat Friend right.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Meat Friend yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
House of Ashes is going to be doing its West Coast
premiere at the Los Feliz 3,which is about fucking 20
minutes away from me walking.
So I'm very excited I'm goingto be down there for that.
I'm going to be right next tothe Vista.
I'm going to be in EastHollywood.
(41:53):
I'm ready, I'm so excited to bedown in LA.
I'm bittersweet, of course, toleave the beloved Pacific
Northwest, but I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I can't wait to get down there and get in it
positive sentiment and and joythat everyone feels, because we
know how important this work hasbecome to you.
I mean, I guess it hasn't been,it hasn't become work yet.
It's about to.
it's about to really become workbut, but how passionate you are
about, you know, not only justtaking your love of movies and
now turning it into somethingthat you want to pursue as a
career.
So we could not be I mean, I'lllet Erica do her thing here in
(42:51):
a minute, since she has the micin front of her and opportunity.
But, like, speaking for myselfand our friend group, we just
got to celebrate you this pastweekend and we didn't turn it
into a big thing.
You know, like you will haveyour opportunity to have kind of
the heart to hearts witheverybody in your life if you
haven't already um from up here.
But like I think I speak for alot of us when I'm like we are
(43:13):
so excited and can't wait to seewhat the next chapter has in
store for you I couldn't havesaid it any better.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean, honestly, I you, reconnecting with you this
past couple of years has justbeen really nice to see and I'm
going to cry.
I'm really happy for you.
You know, I know how much thismeans to you and I'm just
excited to see what you'll do.
Because, I said it last year, Isaid I was like you know, when
(43:42):
you went to that little the,your first film festival down in
LA, I'm like this is the firstof many to come.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, I hope so.
I'm extremely lucky andprivileged to have this
opportunity and I've worked veryhard for it, and I can't wait
to continue to work very hardbecause it's going to be hard
work.
But also.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
it'll be really.
It will be really cool, I think, to see just how far the
connections in the people whoyou've worked with up here in
the Pacific Northwest take youdown there, because I think
that's something that you feelbut you won't be able to really
measure until you're down there,and I feel like it's going to
be very noticeable.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, yeah and yeah and just excited.
Like you know, I have a littlewe, we, we have a little bit of
a community down there right,Like and right.
Um, it's just going to bereally cool to be, to be on the
ground.
You know I'm going to be yourguys' on the ground reporter
absolutely from la we're stillgonna do the show I'm gonna take
the next two weeks off right,uh, as I, as I make my way down
(44:50):
there and get settled, um, butthen we will be switching the
show over to virtual, um, sowe'll be, uh, doing it virtually
, but that means, you know, uh,we will probably be posting
video to youtube yeah, majorvideo component.
Yeah, so we're going to get thatall set up and make sure we
blast that out to all of ourlisteners and I think, a natural
(45:16):
progression right, all podcastsseem to be going towards a
video component.
I think it will be great to addthat to the ETI brand and start
this new chapter of ETI.
And yeah, thank you to you bothfor you know, you guys have
(45:36):
been such a great support systemthroughout this school journey
first, and now this new chapterof of moving away and and uh and
again, just like, just likegoing for it down there in la um
I, I and hopefully you know, Ifucking, you know, meet someone,
meet people that are in theindustry, and we can have more
(46:00):
guests on.
I think that would be reallyexciting I can't wait to have
Martin Scorsese.
I can't wait to hang out withUncle Marty too.
Now he's in New York.
I can't wait to hang out withUncle Stephen.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Sean Baker.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sean Baker, yeah, man , ryan Coogler Sure.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
A lot of California people yeah.
It's very exciting times in theFosberg household, so well, and
that's the other thing too,like the best of luck.
I know that a lot of whatKaylee does she can take with
her it's remote, but for both ofyou, this isn't just a you
thing.
I want to celebrate both of yougoing down there and becoming
(46:42):
this.
You know, I asked you and her aquestion at the friends and
family screening um of yourcapstone film and you know I
said but this partnership, aswell as creators, I think will
be really, it's really excitingfor both of you.
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
And I can ask for a better partner to go down there
with, professionally andpersonally.
We love you, kaylee, kaylee,yeah for sure, and uh, yeah, so
so you guys, what are you guysdoing next week?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
well, erica is.
I'm gonna watch some tv forerica, um, and now maybe, maybe
I ask her for um an extra weekoff to get caught up on all of
this television and then we comeback we come back in two weeks
with, you know, a big TV episode, because I know that the Last
(47:58):
of Us she's itching to talkabout that, you both and many
other people have told me that Ineed to watch the studio white
lotus just ended.
There's we could, you know,circle back to that, I suppose.
But there's a lot going on outthere, um, and in television,
and so perhaps we do that.
Um, I'm also going to like, forthose listeners that have been
(48:23):
in studio with us, we get to do,I.
There's nothing I love morethan some redecorating, some
rearranging and so the studiowill get a facelift over the
next week or so as I prepare fora virtual setup.
Um, probably bring in a new deskwork on some different things.
There's no need to have seatingfor five in here anymore with
(48:45):
all these arms and all these, um, you know, mic cables and
everything like that.
Everywhere, erica will take herstuff with you.
You will, or with her, youobviously take your stuff with
you.
So, looking forward to toredecorate in the studio a
little bit like it's it is, andit's an exciting new chapter
here for for the pod for sure,yeah, um, but yeah, I'm, I'm
(49:05):
open to anything these nextcouple of weeks, erica.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I hear there's a really good Jon Hamm show on
Apple TV.
I was just about to say yeah,friends and Neighbors, friends
and Neighbors.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Obsessed with that too Apple TV has-.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You're watching.
You're watching.
Oh I'm You're seated, I'mlocked in.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Okay, okay, apple tv has an actual chokehold on me
right now I just down, I justsigned up for it, like you know,
finally after years, and I juststarted watching dope thief on
there.
I don't know how new that is.
That's a limited series.
Um, that's a fun one as well.
Um, yeah, I mean, I, I know Ilove obviously talking about
(49:45):
movies, but film or tv has justbeen tv's on fire this year,
killing it, and I'll get back toyou with my sinners review okay
, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
You know, honestly, you know, you told, told us when
we showed up to the studiotoday that you hadn't seen it.
But literally for the past twodays I I've just been refreshing
.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I was.
I was so close, I was so close.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
We're doing the same thing today I was like I don't
want to see what he says.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I can't wait to know what he thinks I was so close,
like box office close, and thenwas just like can't do it, got
to got to drive home.
So yeah, it's next.
It's next on the list though.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Until next time, make sure to follow.
Excuse the Intermission onInstagram and Facebook and the
three of us on Letterboxd to seewhat we're watching in between
shows.
This has been.
Excuse the Intermission wheremovies still matter.
Thank you.
welcome back.
To excuse the intermission, I'mmax fosberg, I'm alex macaulay
and I'm erica kraus, and todaywe are tackling a film that's
got the critics buzzing, the boxoffice booming and the vampires
drooling.
Ryan coogler's Sinners releasedthis past weekend A
(00:27):
spoiler-free review after thisbreak.
All right, guys, you've let mecommandeer the hosting duties
today as we sit in the studio,for, uh, white might be a long
time here together.
(00:48):
Um, we are here to talk aboutsinners, and uh, how was I
wanted to know first?
How are both of you sinners?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
doing today.
I am still like rocking backand forth in a corner after
watching sinners like I.
It's like all I've thoughtabout all week, like ever since
I've seen it.
So I'm just like just in thecorner, just like just shaking
and you've, only, you've, only,you only have gone once yeah
(01:21):
yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I was trying to sneak another show in yesterday.
Yeah, I've only seen it once.
Alex, you've committed thebiggest sin of all you have yet
to go out no, I'm tired bossyou're back.
You're back from spring break,though back from spring break.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The release, I guess, sort of snuck up on me.
The two of you were able to seeit while I think I was doing
like some yard work or something.
Over spring break was just likein a groove, didn't want to
break momentum.
And then you and I were out oftown.
We were actually in a littleharbor town that had a theater
that I guess I could have brokenaway to go see the film.
(02:04):
However, didn't want to take anyextra time away, maybe you and
I could have just done that, butthen I would have been taking
you away from the rest of thegroup.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think all eight of us should have just rolled into
town.
We probably should have donethat.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We honestly probably should have all gone and seen it
.
So, yeah, Then there was ashort window the other night
that was made available to meand just prioritized some sleep
if I'm being completely honest.
It's the home stretch.
We're rounding like the finalturn and we're barreling
downhill towards summer, though.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But yes, the first couple of days back from spring
break have been kicking my butt.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, that's no worries.
Hopefully this movie will be intheaters uh, for quite a while
um sinners.
Uh, came out again on friday.
It stars michael b, jordanhayley, steinfeld, delroy lindo,
among many other names.
Um, it's already pulled in 63million globally, uh, with an
(03:04):
impressive 48 million openingweekend in the States.
All of this on a 90 milliondollar budget.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I read some controversy surrounding the
reporting of this film's boxoffice, and I forget who it was
that was standing up for itsperformance, but apparently Ben.
Stiller, ben Stiller andsomeone else yes that's right,
thank you.
Apparently there were some sortof inaccuracies surrounding its
(03:32):
reporting and I don't know ifthat was just an accident and it
was Stiller and other folkscalling out the different
agencies, the new syndicate,saying like hey, do your work.
Or if there was actually somesort of like malpractice, some
dirty laundry, and maybeGooglers piss off the wrong
(03:54):
people, or whatever the case maybe, I don't really want to
speculate, but there wassomething attached to the box
office reporting of this film.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I actually I did see this online.
There was some sort of headline.
Yeah, that was like a big yeahyeah, like sinners, does great
at the box office with a hugeasterisk or something like that.
But I mean, if you look at, ifyou look at the numbers at box
office, mojo, which is where weget the numbers from, this movie
has done, uh, even a littlebetter than the last true
(04:28):
original film that I think wason a $90 million budget and also
had something around in the 40sfor opening weekend, which was
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
So, yeah, I don't know Peopleare going to be people.
So, yeah, I don't know Peopleare going to be people.
But I think it should becelebrated that and noted that
(04:50):
original stories, genre pictures, you know, people show up,
people will show up.
And I also think Coogler, youknow, has now entered the
stratosphere as, like a eventdirector.
It seems like people know whoRyan Coogler is and are down to
(05:11):
go to his movies.
Right which is really excitingbecause he's fucking.
I think he's like 32 orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Okay.
So here's the story.
The $48 million domesticopening is the highest for an
original movie this decade.
Yeah, in the 2020s, however,not however.
But then I guess those who areagainst ryan coogler, perhaps
even the fact that this is ablack led cast, whatever the
(05:41):
case may be are saying that thisis from puck news, that warner
brothers actually projects abreak-even point of 170 million
dollars, which is accounting forjust ancillary revenue and all
these different things,promotion, um, whatever the case
may be.
So they're really trying to saylike, yes, it made 48 million
(06:05):
in the states and then worldwideeven more, getting it closer to
that break-even point of like a90 million dollar budget, but
they're saying, actually, 170 iswhat it's going to have to
reach, which let's justcelebrate the good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and every movie has a marketing budget after
the actual budget, which?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
is always near like another 100 million dollars,
basically.
So why we're choosing tohighlight this now is probably
where the outrage comes from,and good on people like ben
stiller and and those, um youknow, in the entertainment
industry that have come tosinners.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's an odd move by warner brothers too, because
guess what?
you have a fucking hit on yourhands for the first time in a
long time and I know there'sbeen some controversy over what
Coogler was able to negotiateout of this deal with Warner
Brothers.
He's got first dollar on everyticket sale goes to Ryan Coogler
, and then the rights to thisstory, this movie, this property
(07:00):
, revert back to Ryan Coogler in25 years, which, again, I think
the last filmmaker to get thiskind of deal was Tarantino, for
once upon a time in Hollywood uh, over there at, do you do that
universal or paramount?
One of those, um, but yeah, solike, and I know a lot of studio
(07:21):
execs are like freaking outbecause of this deal.
But you know, I think it's agreat thing to celebrate.
I think Coogler deserves it andit's very smart and like he
wrote a script he said here arethe terms.
No one had to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Agreed to those right .
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So like for Warner to then like kind of like release
this oh, it's actually 170,that's fucking.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's some more shit it just feels super petty and
it's.
It's really unfortunate becauseit's not.
Like you know, musicians, Iknow, go through this a ton with
record labels, directors withfilms, with with the studios, go
through this a bunch.
Okay, boohoo you, you have itfor 25 years, warner brothers,
do what you want with it andthen give the artist the freedom
(08:12):
that they deserve to still ownand distribute and add on to or
change or do whatever they wantto with the property.
It's like you wouldn't tell apainter, after they've submitted
something to your gallery, thatlike you can't put this
anywhere else now you know, likethere's I'm sure there's
different things in the artworld and things that we don't
understand fully, but, like, letthe artists be in control of
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their own work.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
I think it's something that'sthat's really important.
And you know, yes, it's goingto disrupt what is known as the
studio system, but we need somedisruption right now and if it
gets us more original, you know,new voice filmmakers then I'm
all for it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Warner Brothers, taking the stance that they have
taken would then lead not onlythem but other major studios to
be hesitant in greenlightingoriginal stories because they
don't want to go throughsomething like this again or
give a filmmaker as much controlas Coogler's been able to
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negotiate for himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I think the deal there is like, say, warner
Brothers and no other studio hadpicked up Sinners.
I think Coogler still somehowgets this made right.
I think it's important to notethat Coogler is again.
He is part of this group thatis going to be making movies for
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the next 50 years and he'shonestly done the studio dance.
he's done that for the lastdecade totally, which leads
right into my next question,like what?
What is your guys'srelationship with kugler?
Uh, because yeah, he was anindie darling with fruitville
station, which I watched for thefirst time this week and I
can't believe I had never seenthat before.
(10:01):
Then he jumps right into creed,uh, which is a big franchise IP
, and then jumps right intoblack Panther.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And then sequels to both those films sequels about
those films.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't think he did Creed two, but he did do Wakanda
forever.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
He's still a producer on the Creed properties, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So, yeah, what?
What is your?
What is your relationship tohis work?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I've seen.
Yeah, I'd seen all of thosemovies.
I haven't seen wakanda foreverbut, um, I don't know, I never
really thought anything of it.
To be totally honest, um, Imean, I do remember when creed
came out and I enjoyed the movieum the girl, the main girl in
that, tessa Thompson.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I think is her name.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
She actually was a.
She used to come into my workall the time when I lived in LA
and around that time when thatmovie was coming out, I believe,
and I think that's why I wentand saw it and I was like this
isn't really my thing, but I wasexcited to go see it and
actually really liked it.
I had seen fruitvale stationonce before.
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It's.
It's obviously such an amazingand important movie.
It's really a little heavy forme and I I did try to re-watch
it actually yesterday and I justdidn't have it in me to watch
it like after.
I mean, that sounds so and notto say that I like don't care
about that, but I think justcoming off of like the high from
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sinners, I was like it was hardto like put that, like to kind
of go to that, even though it'sa tough film, even though it
shows you exactly what's goingto happen, Like right in the
beginning, which is very likestark and you know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
but again I think a great move to be like this is
going to be really rough.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Uh, and then to to live through that day with that
character, only to know, like Iknow, how this is going to end.
Really, really crazy and sad.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I think that he's a filmmaker that I I don't
know what, what, that he's afilmmaker that I I don't know
what, what is his, what's hisfastball?
Yet, um, because it it wouldhave been real easy coming off a
fruitville station to say that,okay, here, not only because of
, like, the southern california,los angeles connection, but you
know, he finds not.
(12:20):
He doesn't really find michaelb jordan.
Shout out Friday Night Lights,the television show.
But, like you know, he getsMichael B.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Sure, michael B Jordan, hardball, yeah, but you
know he gets this like directorcombo.
And so you could almost saylike, okay, here is the next,
like John Singleton and LawrenceFishburne team up or whatever
and these guys are going to makemovies together.
And then he goes into, you know, stays with Michael B Jordan,
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but then goes into the franchiseIP universe in two different
fashions, you know one groundedin reality with Rocky, the other
with Marvel, and to varyingdegrees of success.
I would say you know the first,black Panther we've talked
about it a ton on this show BestPicture nominated like a really
really good superhero movie.
And then Creed, one of thebetter sports movies of the 20,
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really the 21st century.
I would say Especially thatfirst one, yeah, and really
brought life back into the Rockyfranchise.
And really brought life backinto the Rocky franchise.
It's different, though, becauseI'm like are we not seeing what
you are best at?
Is it these independent arthouse type of films?
Is this what you really want tomake?
And now it's like do you reallywant to make genre pictures?
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And what are you best at?
Thankfully, as you mentioned,still a very young director who
hopefully gets many more chanceswherever he wants to make
movies.
So the verdict is certainly notout on quality.
We know he's an extremelytalented filmmaker who has
produced every single time.
(13:59):
And now this isn't to say thateveryone needs to be a John
Carpenter and only stick to onegenre, or everybody needs to be
like a David Fincher or QuentinTarantino and kind of do
everything while still maybeonly making films for adults.
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Could Ryan Coogler make a Pixarmovie next?
Sure, we don't know.
Yet we don't know what's all inhis bag.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So, um, I'd say that's where the verdict for me
is still out on him as far as,like having a relationship like
I'm just not quite sure whatkind of filmmaker he is, yet,
aside from really talented, yeah, he's extremely talented and,
you know, I do think, uh, evengoing back to fruitville I, I
think all five of his films dohe does always kind of tell a
(14:52):
story about, about race, aboutgenerational, um, you know,
oppression.
Uh, even in and and especiallyin this new film, sinners, like
there is a a uh a celebration ofof of this black film.
Right, it is a black film, itis about black people and black
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culture.
And even going back tofruitville, I, I think that is
kind of like his foundation,because he does it in creed as
well, uh, where you know you're,you're taking the, the son of
the only black character in thatseries, uh, and and making him
the new champion, does it in thePanther movies, obviously,
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black Panther, wakanda, thatwhole, you know, that culture
and part of that world ishighlighted in the lore and the
colors and the costumes.
And then in Sinners too, likethis is based 1932 in the deep
south Delta, mississippi, jimCrow South, and it's about two
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brothers that come back to theirhometown and are trying to give
back to their community ortrying to lift up their
community.
They're twins, so there likeduality in them.
But then there's also thisduality because vampires show up
, but also, like ku klux klanshow up, right, like so, like
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there's there's there's a lot ofuh, uh, deeper themes, I think,
going throughout uh, all of hisfilms, um, which is really
important, and again, kind ofwhen you're talking about
fastball.
Like he, especially withsinners, he does such a good job
of mixing perfectly, blendinggenre and prestige.
(16:46):
Right, he is able to do this bymaking it a straight up, like
crazy vampire movie that doesn'thave to explain vampires, like
it just automatically expectsyou to know the rules of
vampires, which I really, reallyloved because he respects the
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audience.
But once the vampires show up,like it it goes full vampire
mode.
Up until then, though, likeit's again, it's about this
community, it's about the blues,it's about, you know, the Jim
Crow South, like it's just sucha great blend.
I felt coming out of thetheater and it is.
(17:31):
It is comic booky in some ways,but it is also fruitville
station in some ways yeah, I,yeah, I mean, you said it best.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I think that the vampire stuff, like you said,
fit in really well witheverything and um, I like what
you said about how like therules of the vampires, um, like
they don't hold your handthrough that and I I noticed
that's a thing because like Ilove vampire like genre movies
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and I I always get reallyexcited when they'll make those
subtle like a rule mention.
You know how like vampires haveto be invited in to whatever
establishment or home orsomething.
They can't just walk through adoorway.
I love that because it's like,unless you know what you already
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know, those established rules,you would be kind of like why
can't they come in?
You?
know what I mean, Like he's justnot hand-holding, but I thought
all of that fit in really well.
Just it all blended togetherand I thought the movie was
absolutely stunning.
I want to talk a little bitabout, like, how it was filmed,
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because I think that's a reallyunique part of the movie is that
it's filmed on 70 millimeterfor IMAX.
And I think what I was readingis that that's kind of a rare
film format.
Is that right or maybe not?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I mean it's becoming more and more popular.
I think Oppenheimer and Nope waswere some of the first films to
really do this.
Of course, hoyt is dp on bothof those this film actually, and
I I need to pull up her nameit's the first woman ever to
shoot on an imax 70 millimetercamera, which is also really,
(19:24):
really great.
Kugler also had a great quotethis weekend.
Um, that's been making therounds.
You know where he was.
Just like, women are better atfilmmaking than men.
They are more complex, they aremore organized, they are more
um, uh, they're more structuredlike they are better I which was
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a kind of a cool quote autumnderald our um, our carpa.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, is her last name or is her full name?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
yeah, yeah I feel like I, I actually could really
see, I, I can understand that,because I feel like, also, you
know to be a really greatcinematographer and you know
photographer, you have to have alike a really detailed eye, um,
for like aesthetic and it'ssomething.
It's the one of the firstthings I noticed in film.
(20:13):
Um, it's something that is ahuge hobby of my own, um, and I
I I mean I've never really, Iguess, really thought about that
, but I mean it doesn't.
That fact doesn't surprise me,but, um, yeah, I think women do
have a an eye for, for detailand natural beauty yeah some of
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the shots in this film are just,I mean just I, I don't know,
left me speechless.
I, I really.
This is one of my favoritemovies I have seen in a really
long time I've.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I felt watching it kind of the same way I felt when
I saw Nosferatu, where, again,like Kugler is just not afraid
of darkness you know so manymainstream movies today is a
very they're very flat lighting.
This has such richness to it.
He's shooting a lot withnatural light.
They're on location obviously.
(21:10):
Like it's not we're not in afucking green screen room in a
studio in the back lot, like weare out somewhere in a farmland
and so like when you, you know,put that together with you know
the IMAX format.
He also, I believe I read thatyou know, put that together with
you know the IMAX format.
He also, I believe I read thatyou know they were using the
(21:32):
lenses that shot stuff like BenHur back in like the 50s and 60s
.
You know, again, like you, justyou get a better quality and
also like it's on film, whichagain you can, you can taste the
, the photography that you'relooking at when you're watching
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film.
There is such a difference fromdigital and physical.
But yeah, it's beautifully shot.
Ludwig Gorenson is the composerOnce again.
Does he have the belt?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
he taken it from hans like no, I he this top five
right now because you got trentnatticus still.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Trent natticus are still out there as well and and
you know he does something inthis that I feel like trent
natticus are so good at thatthey, when they do a film, they
like pick kind of a genre andreally stick to it and and and
kind of build from within out.
Uh, for the score and like the.
This movie is also reallyhonestly about the blues.
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Um, and the score, the music,the soundscape that is created
in here is fucking awesome.
Uh, it is so good and I'm a bitof a blues head like I.
I really really love that kindof music and so like it would.
It was a little bit like catnipto me, but I think anyone could
(23:02):
can really really appreciatewhat ludwig is doing.
Yeah, uh, what about theperformances?
Uh, erica michael b jordan hasnow done every one of coogler's
films.
He's also shown up and I meanhe's been a movie star now since
he was you know, 15, 14.
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Um, I do feel like when, whenyou get characters, or when you
get characters, or when you getactors who are going to play
twins it's the same actor, twodifferent characters it can be
very.
It's a little nerve-wrackinggoing into it.
Is it going to work?
Is he going to be able to playoff himself and be able to make
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that believable.
Whatever they did and grantedagain a little comic booky right
.
One is like, in all blue stuffone's all in all red stuff,
right, that'sa little.
That was a little at first Iwas like, oh, that's a little
cheesy.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
like, well, like smoke, smoke has, like the blue
hat and like the blue suitstacks, got the red yeah, okay,
flat brim hat with like redhighlights on his suit and I was
a little worried that that.
At first I was like that that'sa little cheesy, but I I found
that it might be some of michaelb jordan's like best work, like
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the way, and he almost playsagainst type of what you would
expect because you think one'slike a crazy hothead, one's more
of a calm, collective oneperson.
Whereas I believe Smoke is themore hothead one, but then also
like the very stoic and incontrol one, yeah, and stack is
(24:54):
like he's not so much a hotheadbut he's a little bit more of a
wild card, but like morecommunity based and like
friendly almost.
Uh and wild Um, and I thoughtwhenever they trick photography,
they did to to stitch ittogether.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I thought it worked beautifully there was a couple
shots of them standing likedirectly next to each other in
the very beginning, and Iremember looking at you and just
being like how are they doingthis?
Like it looks so real and itnothing.
I mean just throwing like, justsaying like I don't have a
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single critique about this movie.
There's not a single thing, Imean seriously like there's not
one single thing I would changeabout it.
There's not anything that I'mlike, like I just I have zero
notes.
So I think that michael b jordandid an incredible job playing
these twins, because, you'reright, it wasn't like there
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wasn't this like obvious, likeyin and yang thing, happening
that, like a lot of, I think,writers make twins be like
they're, you know, like thesepolar opposite characters, and
it's like no, they're actuallyreally know like these polar
opposite characters and it'slike no, they're actually really
similar and there's differences, like very obvious differences,
in both of them, but they'reboth very similar in their
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personalities and they balanceeach other pretty well.
But it's there, you can.
I mean they're twins prettywell, but it's there, you can.
I mean they're twins, likethey're very it was very
believable that they're, thatthey were watching two actual
twins on screen.
Like I thought that he wasamazing.
I've never been like not thatI've disliked him ever, but he's
(26:44):
just not ever been an actorwho's really like I've paid much
attention to.
To be totally honest, yeah, hehas my full attention after this
movie.
I mean, like, seriously, Ithought that he was just so much
fun.
Um, and then the supportingcast was an absolute blast.
I thought hayley steinfeld wasamazing.
Um, I thought the kid whoplayed Sammy was just
(27:10):
unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Introducing Miles Catton.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
First time acting.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Which is incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Such a voice too, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
His voice was insane.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
A booming voice yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I thought everybody, everyone had such great
chemistry.
Um, I think that you could tellthey all just had a really
great time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I thought jack o'connell was amazing, um I had
no idea who that guy was eitherand like again, like coming in
and throwing a hundred as thevillain of this film.
Um, really, really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I thought he was.
I was really excited to see himin this.
I've only seen him in a couplethings and he is a British actor
and, yeah, I mean he really.
If he's been in anything likepretty mainstream I would not
know what he's been in, but Ithought that he really came out
(28:12):
swinging with this movie.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And you know what he does so well in this, which I
think is key to when you'replaying a villain.
He's frightening, right, whenhe wants to be, but he is
extremely charming.
Yeah, and he wants to be, buthe is extremely charming.
Yeah, you know, he is a Irishvampire who has probably lived
(28:36):
for a very long time and I lovehow he just he busts through the
doors Like he just busts intothis movie, right, you don't get
him until a good portion intothe movie and I almost kind of
forgot like there were vampires.
I was really into what was goingon before all that.
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But then he comes in and like adark storm cloud, dark storm
cloud comes over this, this areain the, in the delta, and he's
charming and he also kind of hasa point as a vampire, like what
he lays out as his offer tothese people like we can live,
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you know, if you join this coven, we can live in harmony as one,
as one mind, as one heart.
All the pain you feel I feel.
All the pain I feel you feel.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And I can save you from what's to come Right and we
will live forever, and we willjust dance to Irish folk music
out in the field.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I take that deal.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Seriously, they're having a good time as vampires,
um and and you know, and he alsokind of lays out like I don't
want to get into spoilers, butlike, yeah, he's like, you guys
are fucked either whether youfight me or not and doesn't well
(30:10):
shoot.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That is.
There's a spoiler.
I was going to almost set it,but there is something that's
mentioned, kind of alludingtowards like understanding the
future a little bit from one ofthe characters, and so, yeah, I
I think that the wholepresentation of the vampires was
(30:33):
amazing.
You know, sometimes the vampiregenre can be really hit or miss
.
It can be really tastefullydone, but then sometimes it can
just feel way too cheesy andjust almost like just too
gimmicky.
This was a perfect blend ofboth, in my opinion.
Like I thought it was so fun butit wasn't like nosferatu kind
(30:54):
of, you know stuff like that,but this was still like bloody
vampires, like messy you know,and that was the best part of
that whole thing to me, um, andthen, yeah, I mean, vampires are
notoriously like super charming, like that's kind of what their
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whole thing is and it's verytrue um, and he just really
embodied the whole persona welland um, he made it look like a
damn good time out in that fieldwith everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I also want to shout out Yuami Masuku, masuku, yuami
Masuku I believe that's how yousay her name who played Annie.
Oh, I loved Annie she wasfantastic and again, I think
it's so smart of Ryan becauseshe's got like a witchy vibe to
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her and then we've got vampires.
We have maybe, you know,there's a that music element
that maybe you could say is asiren and, like you know, I
believe that that there areprobably witches and sirens in
this world where there arevampires and but again, like
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it's, it's not something that'sever like exposition dumped or
anything like.
It's just like there arevampires.
So there are probably otherother things going on here and I
really, really love that.
It's just great world building.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, they really touch on, really love that.
It's just great world building.
Yeah, they really touch on.
I mean a lot of you know hoodoopractice in the south is very
historical down there and veryrespected in that culture I mean
they, you know they take thatstuff really seriously and I
loved that he threw in, you know, a character that does practice
a little bit of you hoodoo.
(32:44):
It just speaks on.
It just really like adds somuch more depth to the culture
and the vibe that he was reallyportraying in this community.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, delroy Lindo is excellent as his name Slim
something.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Was he the older Delta Slim?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Delta Slim.
It's right here in front of me.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was just looking for his name too on here,
because he was one of myfavorites.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, delta Slim, he's fantastic.
Omar Benson Miller as Cornbread.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Fantastic character actor, kind of a hoot.
Uh, that guy, you know, heshows up, he's in a lot of spike
lee movies.
Um, I, I know he was like I Ican't remember if it was
remember the titans, or um, oh,what's that rock movie?
That's a football movie uh,grid iron gang grid iron gain, I
think he might be, or coachcarter or something like that I
(33:45):
had to re-watch shall we dance?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
the other day because he's in that movie and he's so
cute.
He's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I love that movie and then uh and then.
Yeah, you already mentioned her, but my girl, hayley steinfeld,
is out of control in this movieshe had max sweaty I took my
hat off and clutched my pearlsat least four times.
I can attest to that I almosthad to move down a seat away
(34:11):
from Erica to have a quietmoment by myself.
Haley Steinfeld is cooking inthis, and there's especially one
scene that, my goodness she wasspitting fire.
(34:33):
It's spitting fire for sure.
Um, yeah, everyone is is just alot of fun, and I think that's
again.
Another thing that you canreally tell is like everyone
probably had a blast making thisand it shows it shows on the
screen.
They're having fun.
You're having fun watching it.
Um, it's by far, I think, myfavorite movie of the year.
Um, and I I don't know it'sgonna be.
(34:56):
It's such a thrill ride, butthen also, at the same time,
just like a beautiful story thatwill tug at your heartstrings.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, it was like.
I think it really has somethingfor everybody it's.
It's fun, it is.
You know, there's a lot of likebeautiful history in it.
It's technically just anabsolute treat.
You know, there's it, it, it,it, it, it, it, it it it Mm.
(35:40):
Hmm, I just didn't expect it tobe what it is Like.
It really has that element ofbeing a big blockbuster, like
fun, like action, like vampiremovie, but it's so, so much more
than that.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, you can watch it as an action movie, a
horror movie, a musical.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's genre-bending in many ways.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The first horror movie to get an, an, a score
right on cinema something.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, and I don't know I it.
You know, I don't know I.
I just said it's genre bending,I think it's.
It's less horror than thananything yeah, uh it's probably
just more action, um, but yeah,man, I guess it's just genre
film.
It's really good and there's,there's I mean there's been
(36:29):
comparisons to like Dust TillDawn, right, like when you think
of vampire movies, johnCarpenter's vampires, of course,
near dark there's, you know,definitely some shout outs to
that.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But my guy Coogler- he said that Dusk Till Dawn was
his main inspiration for thismovie.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, I mean it takes a lot from that film as far as
structure, but my guy Kugler putin just a fantastic homage to
the thing in this film that justhad me giddy, which I really,
really loved.
Yeah, I don't really want tospeak more about it.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You guys have done a great job hyping it up and for
anyone else out there who hasn'tseen it, hopefully they're
intrigued.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I hope we didn't hype it up too much, because a lot
of people are very excited aboutthis film and I think it's
again.
I think it's an important movieright now to show that you know
original stories are.
You know, it might not be thebest movie ever, but like and
there are.
It's not perfect, I don't know.
I don't know, I don't thinkit's perfect, but it is
(37:36):
incredibly enjoyable.
And yeah, Alex, I hope youreally enjoy it.
And again, I hope you don't goin too hyped.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And again, I hope you don't go in too hyped, yeah,
and if you do have, you know, ifanyone who hasn't seen it, you
get the opportunity to see it onIMAX.
That is how it was shot.
It's meant for IMAX.
I cannot recommend it enough.
I usually try to.
I tend to stay away from IMAXjust because it's like more
expensive to go see that andsometimes I'm like, is it
(38:04):
necessary?
I I highly recommend IMAX, justfor the sound alone.
The sound design is amazing inthis movie, but also just
visually I can't recommend itenough.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So yeah, and it also had me again thinking about
Kugler and his, his career, andlike he is in the generation of
Ari Aster, Robert Eckers, JordanPeele, Greta Gerwig, Greta
Gerwig these are again like thefilmmakers of tomorrow and maybe
(38:39):
today.
Right Like they are, they arekind of the the up and-coming
masters, I feel like, and soit's just so exciting.
It's so exciting, I feel likewe're in really good hands with
and Alex Garland right, we werekind of talking about him last
week.
He's, I believe, also kind ofin this generation.
So, yeah, it was an excitingtime at the theater.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Anything else you want to talk about with Sinners,
go out and see it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, go out and see it.
You know, just emphasizing theimportance of, you know,
original stories, go, you know,give movies a chance.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Well, and it's been such a understated year.
So far, so like if you've beenwaiting for a good date night
movie, if you've been waiting togo out and see something
exciting, that's buzzworthy,that has good word of mouth like
this is this is what you'vebeen waiting for, then yeah,
this movie is kind of one ofthose things like I've.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
you know, I I posted a instagram story after we saw
it and I had several peoplereach out and like, oh man, I
was curious about this, likewhat do you think?
And I was like just go see it.
And they you know, thesefriends of mine texted me after
and people like I always kind ofknow that a movie is has good,
(40:08):
good legs on.
It is when my dad will tell melike I really want to see that
movie and I'm like yes we madeit all the way.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
We're going to get Kevin at the movies.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, the Kevo meter.
Yeah, I love it, I love it.
Uh, a couple programming notes.
Yeah, some housekeeping here.
Um, this is, uh, our last showI think I said this at the top
here last show in person, instudio at least, for you know, I
(40:38):
think uh, maybe six months orso um, I mean when you're back
in town, when I'm back in town,I would, I would love yeah,
we'll definitely jump on themics, but it's happening.
I am officially.
You'll be listening to thislisteners on Thursday, so I am
packing my last box and takingoff six days from now and yeah,
(41:01):
we are heading south, we'regoing to LA.
I'm going to be in the thick ofit.
I can't wait.
What did I just see today?
I think a friend of, or one ofour filmmakers from Gig Harbor
Film Festival, izzy Lee.
Did we ever talk to Izzy?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Lee, we did talk to Izzy yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Izzy, I just saw that she is going to be showing her
feature film that she made.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Izzy's the director of Meat Friend right.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Meat Friend yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
House of Ashes is going to be doing its West Coast
premiere at the Los Feliz 3,which is about fucking 20
minutes away from me walking.
So I'm very excited I'm goingto be down there for that.
I'm going to be right next tothe Vista.
I'm going to be in EastHollywood.
(41:53):
I'm ready, I'm so excited to bedown in LA.
I'm bittersweet, of course, toleave the beloved Pacific
Northwest, but I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I can't wait to get down there and get in it
positive sentiment and and joythat everyone feels, because we
know how important this work hasbecome to you.
I mean, I guess it hasn't been,it hasn't become work yet.
It's about to.
it's about to really become workbut, but how passionate you are
about, you know, not only justtaking your love of movies and
now turning it into somethingthat you want to pursue as a
career.
So we could not be I mean, I'lllet Erica do her thing here in
(42:51):
a minute, since she has the micin front of her and opportunity.
But, like, speaking for myselfand our friend group, we just
got to celebrate you this pastweekend and we didn't turn it
into a big thing.
You know, like you will haveyour opportunity to have kind of
the heart to hearts witheverybody in your life if you
haven't already um from up here.
But like I think I speak for alot of us when I'm like we are
(43:13):
so excited and can't wait to seewhat the next chapter has in
store for you I couldn't havesaid it any better.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean, honestly, I you, reconnecting with you this
past couple of years has justbeen really nice to see and I'm
going to cry.
I'm really happy for you.
You know, I know how much thismeans to you and I'm just
excited to see what you'll do.
Because, I said it last year, Isaid I was like you know, when
(43:42):
you went to that little the,your first film festival down in
LA, I'm like this is the firstof many to come.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, I hope so.
I'm extremely lucky andprivileged to have this
opportunity and I've worked veryhard for it, and I can't wait
to continue to work very hardbecause it's going to be hard
work.
But also.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
it'll be really.
It will be really cool, I think, to see just how far the
connections in the people whoyou've worked with up here in
the Pacific Northwest take youdown there, because I think
that's something that you feelbut you won't be able to really
measure until you're down there,and I feel like it's going to
be very noticeable.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, yeah and yeah and just excited.
Like you know, I have a littlewe, we, we have a little bit of
a community down there right,Like and right.
Um, it's just going to bereally cool to be, to be on the
ground.
You know I'm going to be yourguys' on the ground reporter
absolutely from la we're stillgonna do the show I'm gonna take
the next two weeks off right,uh, as I, as I make my way down
(44:50):
there and get settled, um, butthen we will be switching the
show over to virtual, um, sowe'll be, uh, doing it virtually
, but that means, you know, uh,we will probably be posting
video to youtube yeah, majorvideo component.
Yeah, so we're going to get thatall set up and make sure we
blast that out to all of ourlisteners and I think, a natural
(45:16):
progression right, all podcastsseem to be going towards a
video component.
I think it will be great to addthat to the ETI brand and start
this new chapter of ETI.
And yeah, thank you to you bothfor you know, you guys have
(45:36):
been such a great support systemthroughout this school journey
first, and now this new chapterof of moving away and and uh and
again, just like, just likegoing for it down there in la um
I, I and hopefully you know, Ifucking, you know, meet someone,
meet people that are in theindustry, and we can have more
(46:00):
guests on.
I think that would be reallyexciting I can't wait to have
Martin Scorsese.
I can't wait to hang out withUncle Marty too.
Now he's in New York.
I can't wait to hang out withUncle Stephen.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Sean Baker.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sean Baker, yeah, man , ryan Coogler Sure.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
A lot of California people yeah.
It's very exciting times in theFosberg household, so well, and
that's the other thing too,like the best of luck.
I know that a lot of whatKaylee does she can take with
her it's remote, but for both ofyou, this isn't just a you
thing.
I want to celebrate both of yougoing down there and becoming
(46:42):
this.
You know, I asked you and her aquestion at the friends and
family screening um of yourcapstone film and you know I
said but this partnership, aswell as creators, I think will
be really, it's really excitingfor both of you.
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
And I can ask for a better partner to go down there
with, professionally andpersonally.
We love you, kaylee, kaylee,yeah for sure, and uh, yeah, so
so you guys, what are you guysdoing next week?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
well, erica is.
I'm gonna watch some tv forerica, um, and now maybe, maybe
I ask her for um an extra weekoff to get caught up on all of
this television and then we comeback we come back in two weeks
with, you know, a big TV episode, because I know that the Last
(47:58):
of Us she's itching to talkabout that, you both and many
other people have told me that Ineed to watch the studio white
lotus just ended.
There's we could, you know,circle back to that, I suppose.
But there's a lot going on outthere, um, and in television,
and so perhaps we do that.
Um, I'm also going to like, forthose listeners that have been
(48:23):
in studio with us, we get to do,I.
There's nothing I love morethan some redecorating, some
rearranging and so the studiowill get a facelift over the
next week or so as I prepare fora virtual setup.
Um, probably bring in a new deskwork on some different things.
There's no need to have seatingfor five in here anymore with
(48:45):
all these arms and all these, um, you know, mic cables and
everything like that.
Everywhere, erica will take herstuff with you.
You will, or with her, youobviously take your stuff with
you.
So, looking forward to toredecorate in the studio a
little bit like it's it is, andit's an exciting new chapter
here for for the pod for sure,yeah, um, but yeah, I'm, I'm
(49:05):
open to anything these nextcouple of weeks, erica.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I hear there's a really good Jon Hamm show on
Apple TV.
I was just about to say yeah,friends and Neighbors, friends
and Neighbors.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Obsessed with that too Apple TV has-.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You're watching.
You're watching.
Oh I'm You're seated, I'mlocked in.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Okay, okay, apple tv has an actual chokehold on me
right now I just down, I justsigned up for it, like you know,
finally after years, and I juststarted watching dope thief on
there.
I don't know how new that is.
That's a limited series.
Um, that's a fun one as well.
Um, yeah, I mean, I, I know Ilove obviously talking about
(49:45):
movies, but film or tv has justbeen tv's on fire this year,
killing it, and I'll get back toyou with my sinners review okay
, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
You know, honestly, you know, you told, told us when
we showed up to the studiotoday that you hadn't seen it.
But literally for the past twodays I I've just been refreshing
.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I was.
I was so close, I was so close.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
We're doing the same thing today I was like I don't
want to see what he says.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I can't wait to know what he thinks I was so close,
like box office close, and thenwas just like can't do it, got
to got to drive home.
So yeah, it's next.
It's next on the list though.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Until next time, make sure to follow.
Excuse the Intermission onInstagram and Facebook and the
three of us on Letterboxd to seewhat we're watching in between
shows.
This has been.
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Thank you.
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