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Chase Stratton (00:00):
Okay, let's
unpack this.
Imagine a market just buzzingwith opportunity, right?
Where leadership roles are likesoaring, but the talent
everyone really wants isincredibly hard to find.
We're talking about Japan'sexecutive search scene.
Tessa Sourceley (00:15):
It's
Chase Stratton (00:16):
a real paradox,
isn't it?
You've got this huge demand fortop tier execs, especially the
ones who are bilingual, globallyminded.
Right.
But the local talent pool isjust surprisingly tight.
So today we're taking a deepdive into this really unique
challenge.
We've pulled together insightsfrom some pretty comprehensive
reports, things like executivesearch in Japan and detail
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analyses on harnessing Japanesediaspora and Japan's executive
returnee talent.
Tessa Sourceley (00:42):
Yeah, some
great sources there.
Chase Stratton (00:44):
Exactly.
And our mission for this deepdive is basically to explore
these complexities in Japan'sexecutive hiring market.
And crucially, to maybe uncovera powerful solution that's
often overlooked.
Tessa Sourceley (00:55):
Which is?
Chase Stratton (00:55):
That huge pool
of Japanese professionals living
outside Japan, the returneetalent.
Tessa Sourceley (01:00):
Yeah.
What's fascinating here, Ithink, is that this isn't just
about filling jobs.
It's really about understandinga, well, a pivotal moment in
Japan's cultural and economicstory.
Okay.
I mean, if we connect this tothe bigger picture, you've got
Japan's demographic shifts, thepressure Right.
Only 5%.
Wow.
Yeah.
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whole dynamic mean for you thelistener maybe you're a global
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talent scout trying to navigatethis market or perhaps a leader
thinking about a move or maybeyou're just curious about these
unique cultural forces
Chase Stratton (01:58):
yeah
Tessa Sourceley (01:58):
well this deep
dive really offers a front row
seat to the strategy shapingjapan's future leadership
Chase Stratton (02:04):
it'd certainly
paint a vivid picture i mean
this japanese executive jobmarket it sounds like it's
really reached a uh A feverpitch.
We're hearing phrases likeTokyo's hiring binge, even
executive gold rush, because thedemand for C-suite roles, GMs,
MDs, it's just soaring.
Tessa Sourceley (02:24):
It really is.
Chase Stratton (02:24):
And it's not
just one sector either, is it?
We're seeing this huge surgeacross tech, finance, pharma,
EVs, even fashion and media.
Tessa Sourceley (02:33):
Rod-based,
yeah.
Chase Stratton (02:34):
But the real
kicker, the differentiator here
seems to be that it's not justany leader.
It's specifically bilingualleaders.
People who can connect Japanesemarket know-how with a global
view.
That skill set is just...
unprecedentedly sought after.
Tessa Sourceley (02:48):
Indeed.
But, you know, beneath thatreally active surface, the
reality of recruiting in Japanis it isn't just hard.
One source actually called itan illusion of an easy market.
Chase Stratton (02:58):
An illusion.
How so?
Tessa Sourceley (02:59):
Well, the high
demand kind of masks these
significant complexities, thesehidden hurdles that are pretty
unique to Japan.
Take the country manager role.
Super desirable, right?
But also one of the riskiestjobs out there.
Risky.
Yeah.
I mean, the pay is great.
You know, core band, 40, 60million.
Top packages hitting 100million.
Wow.
But the failure rates oninternational assignments, they
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can be as high as 25%.
Think about that.
A quarter fail.
Chase Stratton (03:24):
25%?
That's huge.
Tessa Sourceley (03:25):
It is.
And missing the mark on a hirelike that, it can cost an
organization like 10 times thesalary in lost revenue
disruption about the works.
Chase Stratton (03:36):
So the stakes
are just incredibly high.
Okay.
But beyond the money risks,what else makes Japan's hiring
market so...
different.
One of those corpse globalrecruiters might not expect.
Tessa Sourceley (03:47):
Well, imagine a
place where recruitment agency
fees are some of the highestglobally, sometimes hitting 35
percent of the first yearsalary.
Chase Stratton (03:54):
35 percent.
OK.
And
Tessa Sourceley (03:55):
yet there's
effectively no LinkedIn in the
way we'd normally use it in theWest.
Chase Stratton (03:59):
Really?
No LinkedIn?
Tessa Sourceley (04:00):
Well, not in
the same way.
Top execs often just don'tmaintain public profiles.
So that's standard digitalsourcing.
Much harder.
I
Chase Stratton (04:07):
see.
Tessa Sourceley (04:07):
And then you've
got these deep structural
issues.
Over 10,000 bankruptciesreported in FY 2024.
10,000?
Yeah.
And get this, over 300 firmscollapsed just because of labor
shortages and rise in personnelcosts.
Chase Stratton (04:20):
Wow.
Not bad products, just nopeople.
Tessa Sourceley (04:23):
Exactly.
Businesses literally foldingbecause they can't find the
staff.
It just underscores how seriousthis talent crisis is, driven
by skill gaps and these bigdemographic pressures.
Chase Stratton (04:35):
That really does
highlight the urgency.
So, OK, the financial rewardsare clearly there for top
executives.
But what stops people justchasing the biggest paycheck.
Is there something else goingon with loyalty?
Tessa Sourceley (04:47):
Precisely.
And this is where the culturalnuances really kick in what our
sources called samurai salariesand shifting loyalties.
Money definitely opens doors,no doubt.
But for Japanese executives,things like respect, harmony, a
sense of purpose, that's whatoften seals the deal.
Right.
Which is why these attractivecounter offers, you know, golden
handcuffs, sometimes becomewhat they call velvet traps.
Chase Stratton (05:08):
Velvet traps.
Tessa Sourceley (05:09):
Yeah.
They offer the money, thesecurity.
But if they don't align withthose deeper values, respect
purpose, they can feel kind ofhollow, maybe even stall a
career long term.
And then there are the whispersthat matter.
This isn't just office gossip.
It's like this informal butreally powerful reputation
network.
deeply ingrained.
Chase Stratton (05:28):
So connections
are key.
Tessa Sourceley (05:30):
Absolutely
crucial for recruiters.
A candidate's reputation, theirpast relationships, how well
they fit culturally, that canquietly make or break a deal,
even with a stellar resume.
It's all about reading the air,you know.
Chase Stratton (05:43):
These velvet
traps you mentioned, they sound
pretty bad for the individual'scareer.
Is there any upside, maybe fromthe company's view?
Or are they just seen asnegative?
Tessa Sourceley (05:54):
Well, from the
employer's side, obviously, a
counter offer is trying to keepvaluable talent, right?
Avoid the pain of hiring again.
It shows the employee isvalued, at least financially.
But our sources stronglysuggest that for the employee.
Accepting that counter usuallymeans going back to the same
problems that made them want toleave in the first place.
Plus, now their loyalty mightbe questioned.
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It's often just a short-termfix, doesn't solve the root
issue.
And it says a lot about, youknow, the cultural preference
for avoiding directconfrontation in Japan.
We're even seeing these newtrends like quit for hire Proxy
Chase Stratton (06:28):
resignation.
Tessa Sourceley (06:57):
but our sources
point to what they call the
Kansai Chubu executive goldvein.
Chase Stratton (07:01):
Okay, Kansai
Chubu, where's that?
Tessa Sourceley (07:03):
Think outside
the capital.
You've got rich executiveopportunities, especially in
things like the global autosupply chain around Nagoya.
Chase Stratton (07:09):
Right, the car
industry.
Tessa Sourceley (07:10):
Exactly.
Advanced manufacturing inOsaka, some growing aerospace
clusters in the region too.
Companies need global leadersin those hubs as well.
And if we zoom in on specificroles, the demand gets really
focused.
The bilingual CFO, genuinelyone of Japan's most wanted,
Companies are desperate forfinance leaders who get both
local rules and global markets.
Chase Stratton (07:32):
The crucial
link.
Tessa Sourceley (07:33):
Totally.
We're also seeing the rise ofthe CHRO, that Chief Human
Resources Officer job.
It's shifting from being mostlyadmin to being strategically
vital.
Key in finding and keepingtalent, which we just talked
about how hard that is.
Right.
And kind of reflecting theoverall boom, there's a legal
gold rush, huge demand for legalpros.
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But again, that supply is paperthin.
So,
Chase Stratton (07:56):
okay.
If the talent isn't reallyinside Japan and the numbers
needed and the pool that isthere is so complex to navigate,
where do we look?
If we need that magic combolanguage, culture, global view
that seems so rare locally,what's the actual answer?
And this is where the solutiongets really interesting, I
think.
Maybe it's hidden in plainsight.
Among those millions ofJapanese professionals abroad,
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the returnees, and the widerdiaspora.
Tessa Sourceley (08:23):
This is it.
This is, without a doubt,probably the most underutilized
executive pipeline for Japan.
When we talk about returnees,we mean Japanese nationals,
maybe heritage professionalstoo, who got educated overseas.
Think top global MBAs, Wharton,INSEAD, LBS.
Chase Stratton (08:40):
Right, big
names.
Tessa Sourceley (08:41):
Or maybe
second-gen Japanese leaders
who've built great careersoutside Japan.
They have that critical mix.
Japanese and English fluency,that cultural agility from
living abroad, and they knowglobal markets.
Chase Stratton (08:53):
The perfect
blend.
Tessa Sourceley (08:54):
Exactly.
That's what makes them soincredibly attractive to clients
in Japan needing to bridge thatlocal global gap.
Chase Stratton (09:00):
Okay, so if this
talent pool is so important,
how do companies actually tapinto it effectively?
What's the strategy?
Tessa Sourceley (09:06):
Right, the key
question.
The strategy is really aboutknowing where to fish.
You can't just post an ad.
Recruiters need to focus onspecific channels, ones that
might not be obvious.
Well, those global MBA networkswe just mentioned are key.
Also, look at Japanese foreignjoint programs like the Keio
Hidetsubashi Alliances.
Those are good hunting grounds.
Chase Stratton (09:26):
That makes sense
for that highly educated group.
But beyond the top B schools,where else should recruiters be
looking for this diasporatalent?
Tessa Sourceley (09:35):
Good question.
We also need to look atJapanese university alumni clubs
abroad.
Think Keio New York, Waseda,Europe, Kyoto in Asia.
These groups are super active,very well connected.
The alumni networks.
Exactly.
Then you have broaderprofessional National Diaspora
Groups, Japan Society NY, the UKJapan 21st Century Group,
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various NICI networks globally,people of Japanese ancestry or
heritage living abroad.
These networks exist all over.
And interestingly, even thoughLinkedIn isn't the go-to for
exec search inside Japan,
Chase Stratton (10:08):
it
Tessa Sourceley (10:09):
can actually be
pretty effective for discrete
recruiter-driven outreach tothese professionals who are
living overseas.
These are the networks wherethis incredibly valuable talent
often is just waiting to be That
Chase Stratton (10:21):
makes a lot of
sense.
OK, so we know who thesereturnees are, where to
potentially find them.
But what actually motivatesthese successful execs to pack
up an international career andcome back to Japan?
What are the real push and pullfactors?
Tessa Sourceley (10:36):
It's usually a
pretty complex mix, personal and
professional.
On the pull side, thingsdrawing them back to Japan,
often very personal.
Strong family ties are huge.
Maybe caring for aging parents.
Chase Stratton (10:48):
Yeah, that's
understandable.
Tessa Sourceley (10:49):
The desire to
raise children.
kids within the Japanese schoolsystem is another big one.
Giving them that culturalupbringing they value.
And, you know, many just have agenuine wish to come back and
contribute to Japan's market,use their global experience to
make an impact there.
Chase Stratton (11:06):
OK, those are
the pulls.
What about the pushes?
What drives them away fromwhere they are?
Tessa Sourceley (11:10):
Right.
The push factors could beplateauing careers overseas,
maybe hitting a ceiling due tonationality or just seniority
structures.
OK.
Immigration hurdles,uncertainties.
I think H.
That makes long-term planningtough for foreign professionals
sometimes.
And we're seeing a growingappetite for Asia-focused roles
generally.
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Japan can look like a reallystable, impactful base for that
kind of career move.
Chase Stratton (11:36):
Got it.
So when it comes down to makingthe actual decision, what are
the key motivators?
Tessa Sourceley (11:42):
Professionally,
three things really stand out.
Total compensation, obviously.
The prestige of the employerbrand that still matters a lot.
And the international scope ofthe role itself, does it
leverage their globalbackground?
Chase Stratton (11:55):
Right.
Compensation is always key.
And you mentioned how differentthe Japanese market is there.
So what are the specificcompensation realities
recruiters really need to getright with returnees, especially
if they're used tointernational pay scales?
Tessa Sourceley (12:07):
Yeah, this is
absolutely critical.
It can genuinely make or breaka placement.
Returnees almost alwaysbenchmark their salary
expectations against foreignscales, not the domestic
Japanese bands.
Chase Stratton (12:18):
Creates a gap,
then.
Tessa Sourceley (12:19):
Exactly.
A gap that needs reallycareful, transparent management.
Recruiters have to be crystalclear on the full package, not
just base salary.
Oh, good.
Ah, the FX risk.
Right.
But real wages are stillfalling.
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It's a paradox.
And you need to navigate thatvery openly with returnees.
Chase Stratton (12:54):
That definitely
makes a conversation way more
nuanced than just a salarynumber.
Okay, so putting all thistogether, these crucial
insights, how can you as arecruiter or a company actually
use this amazing talent pool?
What's the practical recruiterplaybook?
Okay,
Tessa Sourceley (13:12):
the playbook.
First step, maybe the mostimportant.
Set expectations early.
Be totally transparent aboutpay, benefits, everything.
Provide realistic comparisonsbetween international and
Japanese packages to managethose expectations we just
talked about.
Chase Stratton (13:26):
Okay, manage
expectations.
Makes sense.
What else?
Tessa Sourceley (13:29):
Second, really
highlight Japan's career upside.
focus on the unique growthpotential there, the chance to
make a significant impact,especially bringing that global
view and the distinct careerpath available in Japan's
evolving market.
Sometimes that's more appealingthan just matching dollars and
cents.
Chase Stratton (13:46):
The opportunity
itself.
Tessa Sourceley (13:47):
Exactly.
Third, and this is key forlong-term success, adopt a
proactive returnee radar.
Chase Stratton (13:54):
A returnee
radar.
Tessa Sourceley (13:55):
Yeah, don't
just wait for a client to
specifically ask for returneetalent.
Build this focus into everyrelevant search you do.
It means proactively mappingthe diaspora, building
relationships with those alumninetworks, cultivating
connections over time.
Chase Stratton (14:09):
So be proactive,
not reactive.
Tessa Sourceley (14:11):
Precisely.
Recruiters who do thisconsistently, they're building a
truly differentiated,incredibly valuable pipeline.
And we've seen real stories ofsuccess.
Returnees becoming countrymanagers, C-suite leaders,
heading up transformations.
It proves the strategicapproach really works.
It just takes being strategic,patient, and persistent.
Chase Stratton (14:30):
Strategic,
patient, persistent.
Got it.
Tessa Sourceley (14:32):
So, yeah.
If we connect all this back tothe bigger picture, it's pretty
clear Japan's executive searchmarket is at this real turning
point, the traditional ways.
They just aren't enough anymoreto meet this huge demand for
bilingual global leaders tappinginto the Japanese diaspora.
It's not just like a nice tohave option.
It's becoming a strategicimperative for companies and
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recruiters.
These professionals, they bringthat unique, incredibly
valuable mix, bilingual,culturally agile, globally
experienced qualities that arejust absolutely essential for
Japan's future, really.
Chase Stratton (15:07):
Okay, so
wrapping this up, what's a key
takeaway here for you listening?
I think this deep dive reallyshows that the future of top
talent in Japan might actuallylie in looking beyond its
borders, actively seeking out,nurturing connections with that
amazing talent pool livingabroad.
The challenge, finding thesebilingual global leaders in
Japan, it's huge, no doubt.
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But the solution, while itneeds nuance...
a different approach.
It is clearly out there.
It really makes you wonder,doesn't it?
How many other hidden pipelinesof talent are out there in
other unique markets around theworld?
It's waiting for us to connectthose dots.
Well, thank you for joining uson this deep dive.
Until next time, keep digging,keep learning, and keep
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connecting those dots.