November 21, 2023 • 42 mins
Let's reduce our impact on nature during our adventures. Today we're talking about our concern and desire for responsible travel. As fellow explorers with a keen respect for Mother Nature, we share our passion for travelling with care, and our experience with disheartening damage we've often found at pristine campsites and in the middle of hikes.
This episode delves into understanding the impacts of our casual actions on the environment. From misuse of campfires to glaring examples of littering, and even lack of basic sanitation care in camping areas and amongst nature, we discuss it all. We're stressing the importance of responsible disposal of waste, especially in remote areas. Kick back and tune in for a discussion on responsible travel and learn some new practical tips on how you can contribute positively to preserving our beautiful natural environments. Remember, leave no trace.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alright, so welcome everybody onto the next edition
of our podcast series.
And for those of you that cansee where we are, we're in like
a little creek bed up nearLesnerty Falls in Western
Australia.
It's a lovely little place.
For those of you that arelistening, I'm sure you can
possibly hear the babbling water, which is actually really quite
loud.
Luckily, we've got these fancymicrophones so that we don't
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have to speak too loud and youshould be able to hear us.
So hopefully everything's goingaccording to plan.
So, in such a wonderfullocation as this, with the nice
running water and the trees andeverything, it's a perfect
location for us to have a bit ofa chat about the environment
and protecting the environmentand managing our impacts as we
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travel as tourists and trekkersand hikers and cyclists and
things as we move around thecountry.
We want to make sure that ourexperience isn't detrimental to
the ongoing environment and thatwe're basically looking after
ourselves as much as we'relooking after the planet.
It would be a shame for us toget ourselves into all these
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great spots and then be the lastperson to go because it was
trashed out with fires orrubbish and the other bits and
pieces.
Now, in all of our years,michelle and I have been to some
really fantastic places aroundthe country and there's been so
many of them and I recall a fewout the back of New South Wales,
going into Poonkari, and wewere camping on the Darling
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River.
I think is that in that area,yeah, and we did this backtrack
out of Poonkari and we were justheading along the Darling River
Run and we found a I don't knowwhether it was a paddock or
something.
It had been a campsite beforeand it was beautiful, a maculet
spot, lovely river.
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The river had some water in it.
This is about 20 odd years agoand we got to the campsite and
literally there must have beenfour or 500 glass bottles and
cans, all beer cans, all glassbottles.
Honestly, it looked like it wasprobably, more than likely, a
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locals hangout space and theyall just come and dump.
But the issue with that is, youknow, a pristine, wonderful
location completely littered outwith cans and bottles, and I
remember that Michelle and Iwere a bit disgruntled about
that and we actually spent acouple of hours collecting all
that rubbish.
Not that we could carry it, butat least we could put it into
one spot out of the way so thatwe could enjoy our time in the
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location.
And you know, every other timewe go away even last weekend
when we were at Stockton Lake orthe other weekend when we were
at Stockton Lake you go out theback of a little bush track,
behind a campsite and there'stoilet paper and shit, to be
honest, with you scatteredaround in the bush.
You know, people can't dig ahole and the worst part about
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the stuff at Stockton and thingsis that there's two sets of
toilets within 100 metres ofwhere this is and we don't get
it.
We don't understand how thathappens.
So you know it's reallyimportant.
There's lots of aspects that weneed to take into consideration
fires, toilets, you know,parking, carrying things around,
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what you drive on, what youride on, what you cycle on.
So we'll go through a few ofthose bits and pieces.
Where are we going to start?
We've just had a bit of a storyabout rubbish.
Do we want to start withrubbish?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, let's talk about rubbish, because your
story is true.
I remember that one.
But what I also remember isbeing in places that are very
remote, like the CanningStockeroot, which is far more
remote than a place like that.
That's just on the mainthoroughfare.
Really, you would not expect tocome to a place in the Canning
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Stockeroot and come to a bushcamp and find the same sort of
thing left from the camper who'sonly left the morning before
you and it's pretty obvious.
You know, there's raw egg shellsleft exposed in the campfire.
A lot of people think that byburning out their residue from
the bottom of a baked tin bakedbean tin, for example is a good
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way of cleaning the tin.
Yeah, but take the tin with you.
The tin doesn't break down.
These steel pans or aluminiumpans, whatever they're made of,
they take many, many years tobreak down.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Aluminium.
Aluminium, however, will burnin a hot fire.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
so Well, why do we come across them?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, you shouldn't do it anyway, because it is kind
of environmental.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
but and other people you know might attempt to burn
out these pans in their fire.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's got to be hot enough.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They don't.
That's right.
They don't get it hot enoughand wait for it to completely
turn to ash.
What they actually do is theycover up the fire in the morning
, make it look like there'snothing there, but literally two
hours later the next campercomes along, tries to reuse the
same fire pit, and as soon asthey start digging below the top
surface layer, you just findrubbish and you can't really use
it without a major plan up.
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There should not be anyburrowing of rubbish in the same
area that another person isabout to use.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But not only.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If you can't actually take that rubbish with you,
there's something wrong.
You shouldn't be in a remotearea.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Not only burrowing it or burning it or whatever, it's
just leaving it.
It's unfathomable to come outinto pristine environments and
think about leaving rubbish.
And you know we don't want topreach and we don't want to
carry on about that, but it'sdisheartening.
It happens.
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Everyone we speak to says it'snot me, it's never anybody, but
somehow or another it seems tobe there all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Look it could well come from home.
So there's a huge role thatevery one of us plays in making
sure that we do educate the kids.
So if you've got a young familyand you're travelling, talk
about this stuff openly.
Make them involved in being apart of the solution.
So if you do come acrossrubbish, get the kids involved
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in actually picking up somerubbish and letting them
actually feel what it's like andtalk about it.
You need to carry rubbish bagswith you, and it's not just
plastic rubbish bags.
What you're going to put thatplastic rubbish bag into, for
the liquid remains thatinevitably come out of
containers, so you've got tohave like another canvas bag or
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a vinyl bag to put it in.
And then, of course, you maynot want that inside the body of
your vehicle while you'retravelling for a week or so,
because it smells.
And there are many times whereyou're going to be travelling
where there's long distancesbetween one bin and the next.
So having something on the backof your vehicle, maybe over it,
if you've got a spare wheel,like a spare wheel rubbish bag,
there's plenty of ones that youavailable that you can go and
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pick up from the shop.
That's one great tip.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The simple rule is if you can carry it in, you can
carry it out.
It shouldn't be that difficult.
And then that mindset shouldfollow, not from just your
vehicle, your four wheel drivethat should carry down to your
mountain biking, to your walking, to your helicopter.
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Your piloting and anyparticular way that you're
travelling around and exploringis.
You know, make a very consciousdecision that whatever you take
in, you should be able to takeout.
So you know, for variousdifferent trips and for
different timelines, that canmean a whole rubbish plan or
that can just mean a recycledplastic bag from the shops.
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It's all very determinant abouthow long you're going to be.
If you're going to be severalweeks, you know.
If you're going to be doing amajor journey for several weeks
and you've got to, you know,basically, take a lot of
supplies in.
You've got to be able to workout how you're going to get all
those supplies out.
So it does also come down toyour packing requirements.
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You know, do you take crushablealuminium cans or do you take
plastic bottles or do you takeglass bottles?
They all have.
They all have glasses andminuses out in the bush and you
need to work out, you know howyou're going to manage that.
Your milk containers, your meatpackaging, whatever bits and
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pieces you're going to take, youneed to work out how you're
going to carry it.
Either burn it, carry it, burnit or carry it really, or
dispose of it in a correctlocation.
You know they're the onlychoices that you really have.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
One of the things that we've picked up along the
way is that if you're along-term traveller, where
you're travelling for multipleweeks at a time, which means
you're going to a resupply point, so you're going to the
shopping centre and you're doinganother big shop a few hundred
dollars worth, you've used allyour supplies, you're going in
empty.
When you get to the car andyou're actually there at the
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time of putting all thatshopping back into the car, this
is the time to assess thedouble packaging.
I mean, we all know thatthere's overpackaging just for
marketing.
So right there at the shoppingcentre you can actually peel
back a little bit of cardboard.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh, you can strip off a third of this packaging by
just getting rid of the boxes.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean even cereal boxes, for example.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Put it in a Tupperware container or a
plastic container or somethinglike that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Just start thinking about those things before you
even leave home on the trip.
Think about okay, am I going toneed to refill?
How am I going to go about that?
So yeah, sometimes carrying aTupperware container that you
begin with, that you've got yourflour in, that you're going to
reuse, so that when you buy thenext bag of flour you're tipping
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it in and you actually throwout that bag, that wrapper of
flour before it even comes withyou and you're going to use the
commercial rubbish areas.
So just a little bit ofthinking along those lines makes
a huge difference to how muchactual excess packaging you've
got with you when you're alreadyin a difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, of course, mind you your cardboards and your
papers.
You can use them to start yourfires if you're in a position
where you can start fires Ifyou're over in it.
If it's summer you might be infire restrictions, so fires
might be completely out of theequation.
So then you've got to carrythis stuff.
None of us want some manky,dirty, disgusting plastic bags
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and all this horrible stuffsticking around in your car.
It stinks, it brings the bingosand the flies, so you have to
manage that.
You can't leave it, you have tomanage it.
So rubbish bags on your car ora rubbish plan.
If you're going for a long trip,you need rubbish plans.
If you're just going to gobetween caravan parks in towns
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or predefined camping areaswhere rubbish facilities are
provided, that's great and makesure you do it.
But make sure you don't just goto the toilet and leave your
toilet paper because youcouldn't be stuck walking 100
metres to the toilet.
Those sorts of things.
It's a blight and in theenvironment it's graceful, and
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no one else wants to walk up tosomebody else's feces and have
to deal with that.
It's just not good.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's more than that, too.
We're here to talk about theenvironment.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's kind of rubbish and that's kind of
toileting and we're kind ofcross because a lot of these
aspects of your trip do cross.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Can I say it?
Yes, when I was talking aboutrubbish and the environment, one
of the things that I think I'veobserved is that when a lot of
people are travelling, they'renot quite aware of what happens
when the season changes.
Quite often we're onlytravelling through an area when
it's not the wet season, and ifyou're up in the tropics, your
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water line is a totallydifferent level when you're
driving through on the dryseason for what it is in the wet
season, and this has a hugeimpact on what actually happens
with the movement of the rubbishthrough the waterways I mean
they talk about.
If you're going to dig a holewith rubbish, do it more than 50
meters back from a waterway,and that's for a very good
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reason, and hopefully you're notburying rubbish in an area
that's prone to flooding tobegin with, but it's as simple
as even just going to the toilet.
But, getting back to therubbish issue, it's the fact
that when a flood comes through,the volume of water that can
rush down and it will follow thewaterway, of course, but it
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won't just trickle like it ishere.
I mean, this is November.
This area floods in summertimeand you can see the high
watermark is up a lot higher,and that's what happens in the
tropics as well.
So just think about and bemindful, when you're traveling
in the dry season, how verydifferent the area is going to
be, and consider your impact inevery way in that regard.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Rubbish is a big problem, but really see, and
it's up to all of us to manageit, and it's up to all of us to
be responsible and not just turnaround and say are those
international travelers orwhatever, or the locals.
I mean, there's a lot of blammyand there's a lot of that stuff
that happens, but we're allultimately responsible for what
goes out there in theenvironment and the
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microplastics and all thosethings.
As they go down the riverwaysand out into the water they're
killing the local fish.
They're having impacts on thesustainability of our rivers.
Enough toilet waste gets washeddown the Darling River or
something, as it killed the fish, I don't know.
There's fish kills.
There's all sorts of stuff thatgoes on in the environment and
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realistically we want to makesure that we're not part of that
problem.
So, rubbish, rubbish, bigproblems.
Make sure you manage it, do itright, do it right for everybody
and we'll all have a muchbetter time.
And I suppose while we've beentalking about the rubbish, we've
been talking about toiletrubbish, and toileting in the
bush is a topic unto its own.
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It's contentious.
There's lots of debates abouthow it shouldn't be done.
At the end of the day, we allhave to go to the toilet.
We know that we can do a numberone fairly easily pretty much
anywhere.
But if you're in a campsite,don't wake up at two o'clock
every morning through thatconstitutional and go and pee in
the same spot.
It will stink.
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It does get bad, especially ifyou're in an area that's not
going to have any rainfall for anumber of months.
You know there's nothing worsethan pulling up to a campsite
and going in and going oh, thisis a toilet.
You know you don't want to camphere a toilet.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, look actually on that point.
If you're in WA and you'recamped on the sand at a
beautiful beach spot, I think alot of people don't realise we
don't have any rain to wash itaway for six months.
It only rains in winter.
We don't get summer rain at all, which is very different to
overseas.
So that is a really importantpoint about not just peeing on
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the same spot.
If you're just doing a quickone by the side of your tents,
your swag, your caravan, yourcamper trailer and the idea is,
if you're staying for multipledays, just walk around a little
bit, go a little bit furthereach time, rather than using the
same one, because it's just aconcentration issue.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And then obviously the onethat's worse, the number two.
We all have to do it.
You don't want to do that nearyour camp.
You don't want to do it tooclose to where everybody is One
who wants to drop their stridesand do a number two with
everyone watching you.
So you're going to obviouslywalk away and do something.
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If there's facilities within100 metres walking, or a couple
of 100 metres walking, then youshould.
It's a no-brainer Walk to thefacilities that are provided.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Do you remember at Karajini, where it not stores?
And you know that height?
We come all the way down all onthe lovely rocky area like this
, and then there's the pool andthe kids are dropping like
jumping from the height in andthere's only sort of one way to
stramble out.
And do you remember our kidsslipped on a piece of food.
Literally there was freshsomeone.
I don't know why.
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Why would you do that I?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
don't know.
I don't know it happened, soyou know, be responsible,
digging so our way, or whetherthe way that we know, the way
that we travel, the way that wego to the toilet obviously other
than the chemical toilets thatwe have to carry these days for
a lot of places and thenemptying one of those is another
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whole issue and we'll justtouch on that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You know if you're doing a solo, a solo number two
on the drive or on the walk orwhatever.
Realistically, even inadventure racing days I used to
carry a spade because you shouldalways dig a hole to do your
number two in.
That's a given, and it shouldbe deep enough to cover it so
that the next animal that walksalong doesn't dig it up.
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You should also burn yourtoilet paper as it goes in the
hole, provided it's contentionabout fire restriction areas and
fire and total firebands andall of that sort of stuff.
I like to dig a hole, I like tomake it deep enough, I like to
do my thing in there, I like towipe up, put it in the hole and
set it on fire and then coverthe hole.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, so about that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
you've got to find an area or clear the area so that,
so that you're not going to setfire to the surrounding area.
Yeah, before you dig the hole,because the paper will go woof
when it goes as well.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and the thing is you need to stand and monitor
and wait for that toilet paperto completely burn away to ash,
and it can take a lot of time.
And you need to think aboutOkay, we're getting graphic here
you need to think about how youactually use that toilet paper
and where in the hole after yourbusiness it drops, because if
you can keep it as dry aspossible, then it's actually
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going to ignite.
Obviously, the wet toilet paperwon't burn as well, but you can
burn it, and so you need tohave a think about that and
you've got to look at it andyou've got to monitor it and
wait till it's actually allturned to ash.
The deeper you get the hole,the ash, with a bit of wind,
won't blow up in your face orblow away and catch fire on
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nearby grasses, so that's whyyou want to have it cleared and
dig it as deep as you can.
Now, girls, this part is aboutwhat you do when you go for a
bush wee.
Now, some of us don't like todrip dry and instead take a
small piece of toilet paper withus.
Now, I have noticed, and so havemany others, that occasionally
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it's these small little squaresof paper that are just left
where your business has beendone and, unfortunately, those
small little squares of paperare adding to the problem.
Now, if that's something thatyou feel you need to do and it's
sort of spur of the moment, theproblem is you've got to take
that square of paper back withyou and you can put a little
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paper bag or maybe a plasticziploc bag in your pocket and
this is a handy tip just toalways have on your body in your
cargo, shorts pockets or theback pocket of your jeans or the
pocket of your jacket, and justmake it a daily thing that you
have with you this little ziplocbag and throughout the day you
can just pop in your used bit ofwaste in there.
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It's just a small square ofpaper or two.
Then take that back to thenearest bin or save it all up
for the day and pop it in thecampfire at night after the
cooking is done, when everythingis away, at a quiet moment on
your own.
This is really really important.
Every tiny piece of rubbishmatters, so I hope you find
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these tips useful.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So that's the sort of rules for a solo.
You know.
If you've got a group of people, it changed a little bit
because you're probably gonnadig a group toilet and I've seen
this done at a lot of campsiteswith lots of different groups.
I've been on some trips wherepeople bring in post-hole
diggers to dig communal toilets.
The big, you know the big but athing where it spins around with
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a big auger bit on it and theydrill a hole and then you put a
seat on top of it and then theyuse that for a week.
They're not necessarily gonnaburn the paper in there because
it's gonna go down, but thedifference there is that the
holes are gonna be significantlydeep enough for that toilet
paper to decompose before iteither washes out from the rains
coming through or from thedingos or the wildlife coming
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along and digging it up.
And they do do this, and thatobviously then, you know, brings
that toilet paper to thesurface.
So if it's not burnt properlyit'll run away.
It can roll around on theground and be blown around into
the trees and that's unsightlyand ungamely.
The next one is you know we goout there with these chemical
toilets.
So we're all doing the rightthing in our setups.
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We've got these chemicaltoilets.
Some have harsher chemicalsthan others.
I would suggest that you use anenvironmentally friendly toilet
chemical if you possibly can.
You would never empty it herein this lovely waterway.
That would be stupid.
You wouldn't we here, youwouldn't do a number two here.
You just shouldn't do that.
You should be 50 meters away,at least from the edges, even
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just to take a pee as you'rewalking down the bush here.
If you're disposing of achemical toilet in a campsite
environment where there are nodump points Now, there's a lot
of dump points these days You'regoing to go past them but
invariably, like if you're doinga bush camp and you've been in
one spot for a week or two andyour toilet's full, you're going
to have to empty it.
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Obviously don't do it rightnear your camp.
But then the next trick is togo far and up away.
Now the toilet chemicals shouldhave done enough breakdown of
the masses, the solids and tothat extent most of the toilet
paper gets consumed by thosechemical systems as well, and it
just comes out like a slurry.
So there is no solid paper orthings to blow around.
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How many times, how many timeshave I dug a hole and empty the
toilet paper and had the thingslosh back up and you get
covered in this wonderfulcocktail of contaminant.
It's not a great thing to havehappen to you.
So the deeper the hole, theless chance to blow back.
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So make your hole big enough,depending on, obviously, the
size of your toilet.
If you've got a 10 or 15, 20liter, 10 liter waste pant.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, well, and whether you let them wean it or
not, yes, if there's wean it.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It'll be a bit wetter , which makes it a bit easier to
empty.
If no one weas in it, it's onlygot number two and it'll be a
little bit heavier.
Look, I'd probably be betteroff doing a video to explain how
we make a little channel thatruns into the deeper hole, and
it's quite a complicated thing.
But just make sure yeah, not,maybe not, but just make sure
that you're responsible aboutwhere you empty up those
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camtoilets, even with theenvironmental chemicals.
Don't put it in the water,don't put it on the beach, don't
put it, don't put it nearpeople.
Make sure you've gone out,cleared a decent area, dig a
decent hole and make sure thatwhen it goes in you can put
enough layer, at least a foot,30 centimeters Sorry, I'm doing
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that wrong conversion at least30 centimeters of dirt on top of
the top of the water.
Obviously, when you dig a holeand you pour in 10 liters of
solids, it's gonna add a bit, soyou're gonna have a bit of soil
left over.
Try putting it in and stampingit down and making sure it goes
flat as a tap.
So, along with that kind ofprocedure with the toiletry, you
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know, that kind of leads itselfstraight into campfires,
because campfires, we eitherbuild a campfire or dig a hole.
Have we done toilets or are wedone with a toilet?
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh, the other thing, the other thing, obviously, when
you go to the long drop or theprovided toilets, pit toilets
and long drops.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You don't empty your toilet, don't empty your chem
toilet in a pit toilet?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Absolutely never.
They have these signs in mostof them and realistically I'm
flabbergasted because peoplejust must not understand English
with these signs.
The signage in most of thesetoilets that you go to is
usually pretty good.
Certainly in a lot of thenational parks and things
they've tried to put in alldecent signage to tell you how
to do it, but invariably it wasunder.
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The other day at Stockton again,you know, you go over to the
long drop toilet.
It was an immaculate facilitythat had just been pumped out.
They were as clean, they hadwater buckets, they had toilet
paper.
It had everything you couldpossibly ask.
And you walk in there and whatis it?
The dunny seats up.
Now, for those of us that werebrought up in a family with
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mixed male, female children,when we all thought to put the
toilet seat down just as amatter of courtesy, out in the
bush and in these bush toilets,it's not just courtesy, it's a
requirement to keep the fliesand the bugs out of the septic
system.
So make sure you put a lid onit.
If it's clogged and full, don'tuse it, walk away, go 50 or
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more metres away and dig anotherone, or use your chem toilet or
something else.
Don't just put another layer ofcrap on the crap.
I mean complain about itoverflowing you can't pass the
responsibility on If you are theone coming to the issue.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The responsibility lies with you, Correct?
And that's the key.
I know and I've read reviewsthat people tend to expect that,
oh, this is a public facility,they should know and they should
be.
You know the magic.
They should be on top of it.
A lot of these spaces are quiteremote and, yeah, the facility
is there, but it is up to you asa user.
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The buck stops with you and,look, I really want people
listening today to just takeaway a little bit of
self-responsibility from thisdiscussion.
That's all it's about.
Let the buck stop with you.
If it doesn't look right whenyou arrive, then you leave it as
you found it or improve it andleave it better than you found
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it, please.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And so that is exactly the same story with your
campfire.
Now, you know we all love to goout in the bush and have a
campfire.
It's one of the.
For me, it's one of the biggerparts of camping.
I love a campfire.
I almost feel like I'm notcamping unless I've got a
campfire.
Campfire is very important, butone of the things that you can
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be sure, one of the things thatyou can be sure that's going to
spoil our campfire experience intheir future generations, is
what we see all the time whenyou go to these campsites where
it's not a designated ring, oreven sometimes where there is a
designated ring, and all thesesmart people have to build their
fire next to the designatedring or closer to the car.
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It's not in the right spot fromthe kitchen, or my tent is too,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Whatever the excuse.
We don't know what goes throughpeople's minds, but one thing's
for sure every single campsiteyou come to, it's going to be
dotted with more than onecampfire pit.
That's been manmade and itcauses a big problem.
Obviously, you know that thecoals make the ground dirty, so
if it's been lovely white sand,it won't stay white as soon as
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those black coals go on it.
It's just going to be all black, and it makes it lovely white
sand, meaning that your feet aregoing to get all dirty when you
try and walk on it and overtime that'll spread into a ring,
you know, and you never thenwant to put your campfire on it.
It's just ash stuff everywhere.
It's terrible, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So we've been to some campsites.
What was that?
What was that rock?
You went to Garden of Rock,whatever it is.
It was up near Cal Berry.
I could relay a thousandmillion stories, but you're a
little bit of campsite.
It was Garden Rock.
I'm sure it was called GardenRock.
We were mountain biking there.
That's where we got all theflats on our last trip, oh yeah.
Okay Garden Rock Garden.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Rock Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And you drive it.
I remember something I remembersomething I remember, a place,
garden Rock.
That's history.
The back of Q the back of Q andwe drive around and there's some
really lovely little pool inBays, right at the bottom of the
rocks, and the site that wepicked because there was a few
people in some of the othersites the site we picked, we
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pulled up and we get out and youwalk around and I kid you not,
there must have been 20 recentand I don't mean like though
last season 20 recent pits andin all different states of
construction.
Some had stones around the area, some were a hole, some had
been attempted to be covered up.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Some were just on the ground.
Yeah, but you can tell this isfor a space for one vehicle
maybe two, maybe two vehiclescould fit in this space, but
there was 20 different campsites, so this is the thing that
we're talking about here.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So for the first maybe hour and a half to two
hours of that campsite, I wasremoving campfires and
consolidating the campfiresituation, because the other
thing is as a car driving into acampsite.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You really want to avoid more vehicles, wheels,
driving into a campfire.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, because it could still be hot, Because it's
dangerous it could be hot.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's going to damage your vehicle.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You don't know what's in there.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You don't know what's under it.
Glass bottles, tin cans I meanwho wants that sort of damage?
When they come to a smallcampsite, it should be an
obvious location for thecampfire and that should be the
obvious one that the next personcomes to you.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not amenable to having twoor three right, so that you've
got one over there for theperson that sets up in that spot
, one over there for the personthat sets up in that spot,
that's fine.
But do we have to have 20 inbetween there and there?
I don't think so.
You heard me also mention thaton that trip I spent an hour and
a half clearing up these fires.
So if it offends you, like itoffends me, and you want to fix
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it up, what do you do?
Dig out the fire hole, dig outthe coals, dig it out, put it in
a bucket, take it away, spreadit around the trees, spread it
around as far and up away as youpossibly can, and then
basically put fresh dirt, soilor whatever you can find in the
nearest area back into thoseholes and clear it up as best
you can.
Make your one, make the fire inone of the pits that you want
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to use and then look after thatfire pit.
If you're in a pristine area andyou've never and there hasn't
been a fire pit, or you're in it, you know you're doing a
roadside, somewhere where noone's camp before.
Possibly One of the things youwant to strive for is zero
impact.
You want to not see your campby a location when you pull out
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the next morning.
So dig a deep enough hole, haveyour big fire, let it burn down
and in the morning, fill it in100%, completely properly, when
it's cold, not when it's hot.
If it's hot, you've got to dealwith that and, realistically,
you should never leave a hotfire that's not in a contained
fire pit when you drive away.
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You shouldn't leave a hot fireanyway.
You should never, ever, leave ahot fire that's not in a
properly constructed firelocation.
So make sure you put it out.
So then you might need water,or you might.
You know you might need waterto help put it down, or you
might need time to put it out.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Put it nicely, pat it all down, stand on it a few
times, make sure it's flat andclean it's up to all of us, but
make sure that you're notburying with dirt over the top
of a burning log.
Oh yeah, no, because the nextperson to come along could be a
child.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That just goes and grabs the log.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So make sure it's out so.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, Okay, Rubbish toilets fires.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yep, do you know what is my pet's hate Toothpaste.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's spat on the ground, smearing this evidence
of something that's come out ofsomeone's mouth.
When I come to a campsite and Isee a bit of toothpaste and
spat down a tree or near the logor a bit of dirt right where I
want to set up my cat, I meanthat just is revolting.
So one of the things you surelyare doing when you're cleaning
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your teeth is you've got a cupof water, maybe because you're
rinsing your mouth afterwards.
I always make sure I have a bitof water and pour it out over
the top of where I've spat, oryou know.
Again, just use the heel ofyour boot, scrape it away.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Smear your spit.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
yeah, yeah and make just a small divot to spit and
then push.
It doesn't take much, itdoesn't take much.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It doesn't take much to minimize what you have it
doesn't take much and it's allso many small things.
And if we all did it you know,it'd be a lot better.
And you know you can look atthese 20 fires and then the
management people who have tomanage these areas they come in
and they look at this and theygo.
Oh you know what, let's justban fires because it's just too
quick and hard.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We've got to keep the fires if we can.
So this is a whole idea, thesetips to try and encourage us to
all, collectively, do the rightthing to keep all these places
still open.
Yeah, not only is toothpaste myfavorite, my least favorite
evidence of the camper before,but when I go over to a tree and
I see tipped out lentils orbits of spaghetti bolognese left
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as rubbish from scraping offsomeone's dinner that they've
just tossed against the tree,now, maybe that person didn't
have a campfire to put theirdinner plate waste into.
What do you think they shouldhave done?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You can put it in a bag or bury it out with you.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So just a little rubbish bag.
It's exactly the same, like youwould at home.
So in your home I'm sure youhave a rubbish bin and you have
a plastic bag.
It's the same thing with yourscraps.
Don't put the scraps in thebush, because you know what
native animals don't want yourdinner scraps.
That's not what native animalseat, no, and that can obviously
have impacts on the nativeanimals as well.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, you know, and of course, if there's lots of
food left around at campsites orrubbish left around at
campsites, it's going to bringin the birds and the dingoes and
all of that native wildlifeinto that camp and some of those
might be a problem and some ofthem may not be.
But we want to be zero impactas much as we can.
You know rubbish and we'vetalked about those bits, but
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there's things like throwingyour fruit out the window as
you're driving along.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Mandarin.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Your Mandarin screens or your bananas or your apple
cores and that sort of stuff.
What's the problem with doingthat?
Not so much the litter, it'sactually the animals that's
going to get bought up onto themain roads that are going to get
hit when they come up to eatyour apple core.
And while they're there, theyjust happen to walk out on the
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road and get flattened.
You know, that sort of stuffhappens all the time.
So keeping your litter awayfrom the roadsides is also
really, really important.
And so just make sure, justmake sure, if you're carrying it
, that you keep carrying ituntil you dispose of it properly
.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So that really does go back tohaving a very large receptacle
to put so OK, so one of theserear carrier rubbish bags is a
great idea.
But if you don't have a rearwheel carrier, you've got maybe
got a roof rack or you've got abay in your camper, trailer or
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somewhere that you can storesomething that's waterproof,
like a canvas bag or a vinyl bag, and inside that bag you put
your other plastic bags that areall knotted up.
So ideally be able to carrythree, four, five bags rubbish
bags worth in this bigwaterproof bag.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And there's no excuse .
These days, you know we can goto lots of shops and get really,
really cheap, decent, qualitycanvas bags to put your stuff in
.
So have a few extra bags foryour laundry and your rubbish.
It's so important.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
So that's all part of the trip planning, and if
you've forgotten something alongthe way like that, then yeah,
on the way, make sure that'swhat you buy at the supermarket
for more rubbish bags.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And like doing your laundry and buckets and that
sort of stuff around yourcampsites.
Don't come, certainly come andgrab some water here and take it
up to your camp and do yourwashing, but tip the water out
away when you put the soaps andstuff in it, tip it away.
Don't come back down here andtip it in here and then grab
another bucket and go back up.
That's not the right way.
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Just be responsible, be carefuland be conscious of what you're
doing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Look, I think it's not just people that are
planning to go to remote areasfor a few weeks on in.
It is also people that arecaravanning from park to park.
But there's an inevitableovernight stay that you might
have at a rest area along theway, and while some rest areas
have some facilities and bins,these days you've just got a
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plan for the unexpected thatthat bin is overflowing, that
bin is broken, or you've come toone where there is no bin and
it's just being prepared aheadof time for the unexpected.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And that's what we're getting at.
Nothing is more annoying thanbeing out in the bush for a long
time and knowing you're comingup to a pee bay or a thing that
has bins.
Nothing annoys me more thangetting to that pee bay and the
bins are full and they'reoverflowing.
Now, even if they're full, thatannoys me because I can't
dispose of my rubbish, becausethat's just annoying.
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But why would people leavepiles of rubbish?
Oh yeah, beside the bin, besidethe bin.
It's so smooth, it's just likethe Salvation.
Army where people leave theirclothes on a weekend and you're
not supposed to.
It's the same sort of mentalitythat happens Now, just assuming
that the council's going tocome and take it away.
The reason the thing'soverflowing is that there's
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obviously a problem that they'renot out there taking it away
enough.
And that could be anything If alocal guy that collects the
bins in the minor little town issick or they can't keep up with
demand because there's too manytourists.
It just gets difficult.
If it's full, don't leave yourstuff next to it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The biggest problem with leaving a plastic bag
beside a bin and, you'll know,most of these bins have a grid a
metal grid, but the plastic bagis going to be pecked by a crow
.
And look, I've seen this alsohappen unexpectedly.
Maybe backpackers, whatever.
They don't understand that ifyou're trying to leave a table
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and chair at your campsite,because you're in a camper van
and you've gone off for the daytrip and you've got to take your
house with you and you've lefta few things to mind your camp,
be really careful that you'renot leaving your rubbish bag at
that camp exposed as well,because I've seen this.
You come driving around throughthe National Park Camp site and
you'll see a site and there'srubbish strewn everywhere and
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it's purely because the birdshave pecked open the rubbish bag
.
Look, some of you guys tuningin today.
This is all common sense to you, but the reason we're talking
about it is it's not commonsense to somebody.
You've all seen it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There's a lot of people that are massive.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
the dark umber are common we need to keep this
dialogue open and we need tojust ensure that everybody plays
their part and we just keepdoing our own little bit.
And I think the thing isthankfully I do know that
sometimes people will stop andpick up another person's rubbish
.
If you're able and you can,then I think that's what's going
to have to be done, and as muchas we want to perhaps do no
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action so that the authoritiesthat be can observe there's a
problem here, it doesn'tactually fix the problem.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
No, because inevitably the authority turns
around and says it's tooexpensive to maintain, let's
close it or turn off camping,and that's the thing that we
don't want to do.
So as I started, you know, Isaid one of the things we want
to make sure is that theseplaces are always pristine for
our kids and for our kids, kidsand kids, kids, kids to come and
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hopefully be able to do thesame sort of activity based on
the way you know, society'smoving.
We might not do this forever,but while we have the ability to
come out here and and enjoy theenvironment, make sure you're
responsible, make sure you lookafter the place, be an
ambassador for cleanliness andtidiness and the environment and
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, I'm sure, everyone out therecamping and having a trip or
enjoy it a whole lot more.
So thanks, and hopefully weweren't preaching too much.
Hopefully we've taught a fewpeople some stuff.
It doesn't take much, but itdoes take something.
So just make sure you'reresponsible.
Thanks for listening to thispodcast and we look forward to
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catching up with you when nextwe have a chat.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
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You can also write a comment tolet us know what other topics
you might like us to talk aboutin an upcoming podcast.
Thanks guys.
Alright, so welcome everybody onto the next edition
of our podcast series.
And for those of you that cansee where we are, we're in like
a little creek bed up nearLesnerty Falls in Western
Australia.
It's a lovely little place.
For those of you that arelistening, I'm sure you can
possibly hear the babbling water, which is actually really quite
loud.
Luckily, we've got these fancymicrophones so that we don't
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have to speak too loud and youshould be able to hear us.
So hopefully everything's goingaccording to plan.
So, in such a wonderfullocation as this, with the nice
running water and the trees andeverything, it's a perfect
location for us to have a bit ofa chat about the environment
and protecting the environmentand managing our impacts as we
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travel as tourists and trekkersand hikers and cyclists and
things as we move around thecountry.
We want to make sure that ourexperience isn't detrimental to
the ongoing environment and thatwe're basically looking after
ourselves as much as we'relooking after the planet.
It would be a shame for us toget ourselves into all these
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great spots and then be the lastperson to go because it was
trashed out with fires orrubbish and the other bits and
pieces.
Now, in all of our years,michelle and I have been to some
really fantastic places aroundthe country and there's been so
many of them and I recall a fewout the back of New South Wales,
going into Poonkari, and wewere camping on the Darling
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River.
I think is that in that area,yeah, and we did this backtrack
out of Poonkari and we were justheading along the Darling River
Run and we found a I don't knowwhether it was a paddock or
something.
It had been a campsite beforeand it was beautiful, a maculet
spot, lovely river.
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The river had some water in it.
This is about 20 odd years agoand we got to the campsite and
literally there must have beenfour or 500 glass bottles and
cans, all beer cans, all glassbottles.
Honestly, it looked like it wasprobably, more than likely, a
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locals hangout space and theyall just come and dump.
But the issue with that is, youknow, a pristine, wonderful
location completely littered outwith cans and bottles, and I
remember that Michelle and Iwere a bit disgruntled about
that and we actually spent acouple of hours collecting all
that rubbish.
Not that we could carry it, butat least we could put it into
one spot out of the way so thatwe could enjoy our time in the
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location.
And you know, every other timewe go away even last weekend
when we were at Stockton Lake orthe other weekend when we were
at Stockton Lake you go out theback of a little bush track,
behind a campsite and there'stoilet paper and shit, to be
honest, with you scatteredaround in the bush.
You know, people can't dig ahole and the worst part about
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the stuff at Stockton and thingsis that there's two sets of
toilets within 100 metres ofwhere this is and we don't get
it.
We don't understand how thathappens.
So you know it's reallyimportant.
There's lots of aspects that weneed to take into consideration
fires, toilets, you know,parking, carrying things around,
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what you drive on, what youride on, what you cycle on.
So we'll go through a few ofthose bits and pieces.
Where are we going to start?
We've just had a bit of a storyabout rubbish.
Do we want to start withrubbish?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, let's talk about rubbish, because your
story is true.
I remember that one.
But what I also remember isbeing in places that are very
remote, like the CanningStockeroot, which is far more
remote than a place like that.
That's just on the mainthoroughfare.
Really, you would not expect tocome to a place in the Canning
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Stockeroot and come to a bushcamp and find the same sort of
thing left from the camper who'sonly left the morning before
you and it's pretty obvious.
You know, there's raw egg shellsleft exposed in the campfire.
A lot of people think that byburning out their residue from
the bottom of a baked tin bakedbean tin, for example is a good
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way of cleaning the tin.
Yeah, but take the tin with you.
The tin doesn't break down.
These steel pans or aluminiumpans, whatever they're made of,
they take many, many years tobreak down.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Aluminium.
Aluminium, however, will burnin a hot fire.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
so Well, why do we come across them?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, you shouldn't do it anyway, because it is kind
of environmental.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
but and other people you know might attempt to burn
out these pans in their fire.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's got to be hot enough.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They don't.
That's right.
They don't get it hot enoughand wait for it to completely
turn to ash.
What they actually do is theycover up the fire in the morning
, make it look like there'snothing there, but literally two
hours later the next campercomes along, tries to reuse the
same fire pit, and as soon asthey start digging below the top
surface layer, you just findrubbish and you can't really use
it without a major plan up.
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There should not be anyburrowing of rubbish in the same
area that another person isabout to use.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But not only.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If you can't actually take that rubbish with you,
there's something wrong.
You shouldn't be in a remotearea.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Not only burrowing it or burning it or whatever, it's
just leaving it.
It's unfathomable to come outinto pristine environments and
think about leaving rubbish.
And you know we don't want topreach and we don't want to
carry on about that, but it'sdisheartening.
It happens.
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Everyone we speak to says it'snot me, it's never anybody, but
somehow or another it seems tobe there all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Look it could well come from home.
So there's a huge role thatevery one of us plays in making
sure that we do educate the kids.
So if you've got a young familyand you're travelling, talk
about this stuff openly.
Make them involved in being apart of the solution.
So if you do come acrossrubbish, get the kids involved
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in actually picking up somerubbish and letting them
actually feel what it's like andtalk about it.
You need to carry rubbish bagswith you, and it's not just
plastic rubbish bags.
What you're going to put thatplastic rubbish bag into, for
the liquid remains thatinevitably come out of
containers, so you've got tohave like another canvas bag or
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a vinyl bag to put it in.
And then, of course, you maynot want that inside the body of
your vehicle while you'retravelling for a week or so,
because it smells.
And there are many times whereyou're going to be travelling
where there's long distancesbetween one bin and the next.
So having something on the backof your vehicle, maybe over it,
if you've got a spare wheel,like a spare wheel rubbish bag,
there's plenty of ones that youavailable that you can go and
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pick up from the shop.
That's one great tip.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The simple rule is if you can carry it in, you can
carry it out.
It shouldn't be that difficult.
And then that mindset shouldfollow, not from just your
vehicle, your four wheel drivethat should carry down to your
mountain biking, to your walking, to your helicopter.
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Your piloting and anyparticular way that you're
travelling around and exploringis.
You know, make a very consciousdecision that whatever you take
in, you should be able to takeout.
So you know, for variousdifferent trips and for
different timelines, that canmean a whole rubbish plan or
that can just mean a recycledplastic bag from the shops.
(07:40):
It's all very determinant abouthow long you're going to be.
If you're going to be severalweeks, you know.
If you're going to be doing amajor journey for several weeks
and you've got to, you know,basically, take a lot of
supplies in.
You've got to be able to workout how you're going to get all
those supplies out.
So it does also come down toyour packing requirements.
(08:03):
You know, do you take crushablealuminium cans or do you take
plastic bottles or do you takeglass bottles?
They all have.
They all have glasses andminuses out in the bush and you
need to work out, you know howyou're going to manage that.
Your milk containers, your meatpackaging, whatever bits and
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pieces you're going to take, youneed to work out how you're
going to carry it.
Either burn it, carry it, burnit or carry it really, or
dispose of it in a correctlocation.
You know they're the onlychoices that you really have.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
One of the things that we've picked up along the
way is that if you're along-term traveller, where
you're travelling for multipleweeks at a time, which means
you're going to a resupply point, so you're going to the
shopping centre and you're doinganother big shop a few hundred
dollars worth, you've used allyour supplies, you're going in
empty.
When you get to the car andyou're actually there at the
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time of putting all thatshopping back into the car, this
is the time to assess thedouble packaging.
I mean, we all know thatthere's overpackaging just for
marketing.
So right there at the shoppingcentre you can actually peel
back a little bit of cardboard.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh, you can strip off a third of this packaging by
just getting rid of the boxes.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean even cereal boxes, for example.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Put it in a Tupperware container or a
plastic container or somethinglike that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Just start thinking about those things before you
even leave home on the trip.
Think about okay, am I going toneed to refill?
How am I going to go about that?
So yeah, sometimes carrying aTupperware container that you
begin with, that you've got yourflour in, that you're going to
reuse, so that when you buy thenext bag of flour you're tipping
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it in and you actually throwout that bag, that wrapper of
flour before it even comes withyou and you're going to use the
commercial rubbish areas.
So just a little bit ofthinking along those lines makes
a huge difference to how muchactual excess packaging you've
got with you when you're alreadyin a difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, of course, mind you your cardboards and your
papers.
You can use them to start yourfires if you're in a position
where you can start fires Ifyou're over in it.
If it's summer you might be infire restrictions, so fires
might be completely out of theequation.
So then you've got to carrythis stuff.
None of us want some manky,dirty, disgusting plastic bags
(10:27):
and all this horrible stuffsticking around in your car.
It stinks, it brings the bingosand the flies, so you have to
manage that.
You can't leave it, you have tomanage it.
So rubbish bags on your car ora rubbish plan.
If you're going for a long trip,you need rubbish plans.
If you're just going to gobetween caravan parks in towns
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or predefined camping areaswhere rubbish facilities are
provided, that's great and makesure you do it.
But make sure you don't just goto the toilet and leave your
toilet paper because youcouldn't be stuck walking 100
metres to the toilet.
Those sorts of things.
It's a blight and in theenvironment it's graceful, and
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no one else wants to walk up tosomebody else's feces and have
to deal with that.
It's just not good.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's more than that, too.
We're here to talk about theenvironment.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's kind of rubbish and that's kind of
toileting and we're kind ofcross because a lot of these
aspects of your trip do cross.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Can I say it?
Yes, when I was talking aboutrubbish and the environment, one
of the things that I think I'veobserved is that when a lot of
people are travelling, they'renot quite aware of what happens
when the season changes.
Quite often we're onlytravelling through an area when
it's not the wet season, and ifyou're up in the tropics, your
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water line is a totallydifferent level when you're
driving through on the dryseason for what it is in the wet
season, and this has a hugeimpact on what actually happens
with the movement of the rubbishthrough the waterways I mean
they talk about.
If you're going to dig a holewith rubbish, do it more than 50
meters back from a waterway,and that's for a very good
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reason, and hopefully you're notburying rubbish in an area
that's prone to flooding tobegin with, but it's as simple
as even just going to the toilet.
But, getting back to therubbish issue, it's the fact
that when a flood comes through,the volume of water that can
rush down and it will follow thewaterway, of course, but it
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won't just trickle like it ishere.
I mean, this is November.
This area floods in summertimeand you can see the high
watermark is up a lot higher,and that's what happens in the
tropics as well.
So just think about and bemindful, when you're traveling
in the dry season, how verydifferent the area is going to
be, and consider your impact inevery way in that regard.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Rubbish is a big problem, but really see, and
it's up to all of us to manageit, and it's up to all of us to
be responsible and not just turnaround and say are those
international travelers orwhatever, or the locals.
I mean, there's a lot of blammyand there's a lot of that stuff
that happens, but we're allultimately responsible for what
goes out there in theenvironment and the
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microplastics and all thosethings.
As they go down the riverwaysand out into the water they're
killing the local fish.
They're having impacts on thesustainability of our rivers.
Enough toilet waste gets washeddown the Darling River or
something, as it killed the fish, I don't know.
There's fish kills.
There's all sorts of stuff thatgoes on in the environment and
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realistically we want to makesure that we're not part of that
problem.
So, rubbish, rubbish, bigproblems.
Make sure you manage it, do itright, do it right for everybody
and we'll all have a muchbetter time.
And I suppose while we've beentalking about the rubbish, we've
been talking about toiletrubbish, and toileting in the
bush is a topic unto its own.
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It's contentious.
There's lots of debates abouthow it shouldn't be done.
At the end of the day, we allhave to go to the toilet.
We know that we can do a numberone fairly easily pretty much
anywhere.
But if you're in a campsite,don't wake up at two o'clock
every morning through thatconstitutional and go and pee in
the same spot.
It will stink.
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It does get bad, especially ifyou're in an area that's not
going to have any rainfall for anumber of months.
You know there's nothing worsethan pulling up to a campsite
and going in and going oh, thisis a toilet.
You know you don't want to camphere a toilet.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, look actually on that point.
If you're in WA and you'recamped on the sand at a
beautiful beach spot, I think alot of people don't realise we
don't have any rain to wash itaway for six months.
It only rains in winter.
We don't get summer rain at all, which is very different to
overseas.
So that is a really importantpoint about not just peeing on
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the same spot.
If you're just doing a quickone by the side of your tents,
your swag, your caravan, yourcamper trailer and the idea is,
if you're staying for multipledays, just walk around a little
bit, go a little bit furthereach time, rather than using the
same one, because it's just aconcentration issue.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And then obviously the onethat's worse, the number two.
We all have to do it.
You don't want to do that nearyour camp.
You don't want to do it tooclose to where everybody is One
who wants to drop their stridesand do a number two with
everyone watching you.
So you're going to obviouslywalk away and do something.
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If there's facilities within100 metres walking, or a couple
of 100 metres walking, then youshould.
It's a no-brainer Walk to thefacilities that are provided.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Do you remember at Karajini, where it not stores?
And you know that height?
We come all the way down all onthe lovely rocky area like this
, and then there's the pool andthe kids are dropping like
jumping from the height in andthere's only sort of one way to
stramble out.
And do you remember our kidsslipped on a piece of food.
Literally there was freshsomeone.
I don't know why.
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Why would you do that I?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
don't know.
I don't know it happened, soyou know, be responsible,
digging so our way, or whetherthe way that we know, the way
that we travel, the way that wego to the toilet obviously other
than the chemical toilets thatwe have to carry these days for
a lot of places and thenemptying one of those is another
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whole issue and we'll justtouch on that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You know if you're doing a solo, a solo number two
on the drive or on the walk orwhatever.
Realistically, even inadventure racing days I used to
carry a spade because you shouldalways dig a hole to do your
number two in.
That's a given, and it shouldbe deep enough to cover it so
that the next animal that walksalong doesn't dig it up.
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You should also burn yourtoilet paper as it goes in the
hole, provided it's contentionabout fire restriction areas and
fire and total firebands andall of that sort of stuff.
I like to dig a hole, I like tomake it deep enough, I like to
do my thing in there, I like towipe up, put it in the hole and
set it on fire and then coverthe hole.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, so about that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
you've got to find an area or clear the area so that,
so that you're not going to setfire to the surrounding area.
Yeah, before you dig the hole,because the paper will go woof
when it goes as well.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and the thing is you need to stand and monitor
and wait for that toilet paperto completely burn away to ash,
and it can take a lot of time.
And you need to think aboutOkay, we're getting graphic here
you need to think about how youactually use that toilet paper
and where in the hole after yourbusiness it drops, because if
you can keep it as dry aspossible, then it's actually
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going to ignite.
Obviously, the wet toilet paperwon't burn as well, but you can
burn it, and so you need tohave a think about that and
you've got to look at it andyou've got to monitor it and
wait till it's actually allturned to ash.
The deeper you get the hole,the ash, with a bit of wind,
won't blow up in your face orblow away and catch fire on
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nearby grasses, so that's whyyou want to have it cleared and
dig it as deep as you can.
Now, girls, this part is aboutwhat you do when you go for a
bush wee.
Now, some of us don't like todrip dry and instead take a
small piece of toilet paper withus.
Now, I have noticed, and so havemany others, that occasionally
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it's these small little squaresof paper that are just left
where your business has beendone and, unfortunately, those
small little squares of paperare adding to the problem.
Now, if that's something thatyou feel you need to do and it's
sort of spur of the moment, theproblem is you've got to take
that square of paper back withyou and you can put a little
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paper bag or maybe a plasticziploc bag in your pocket and
this is a handy tip just toalways have on your body in your
cargo, shorts pockets or theback pocket of your jeans or the
pocket of your jacket, and justmake it a daily thing that you
have with you this little ziplocbag and throughout the day you
can just pop in your used bit ofwaste in there.
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It's just a small square ofpaper or two.
Then take that back to thenearest bin or save it all up
for the day and pop it in thecampfire at night after the
cooking is done, when everythingis away, at a quiet moment on
your own.
This is really really important.
Every tiny piece of rubbishmatters, so I hope you find
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these tips useful.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So that's the sort of rules for a solo.
You know.
If you've got a group of people, it changed a little bit
because you're probably gonnadig a group toilet and I've seen
this done at a lot of campsiteswith lots of different groups.
I've been on some trips wherepeople bring in post-hole
diggers to dig communal toilets.
The big, you know the big but athing where it spins around with
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a big auger bit on it and theydrill a hole and then you put a
seat on top of it and then theyuse that for a week.
They're not necessarily gonnaburn the paper in there because
it's gonna go down, but thedifference there is that the
holes are gonna be significantlydeep enough for that toilet
paper to decompose before iteither washes out from the rains
coming through or from thedingos or the wildlife coming
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along and digging it up.
And they do do this, and thatobviously then, you know, brings
that toilet paper to thesurface.
So if it's not burnt properlyit'll run away.
It can roll around on theground and be blown around into
the trees and that's unsightlyand ungamely.
The next one is you know we goout there with these chemical
toilets.
So we're all doing the rightthing in our setups.
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We've got these chemicaltoilets.
Some have harsher chemicalsthan others.
I would suggest that you use anenvironmentally friendly toilet
chemical if you possibly can.
You would never empty it herein this lovely waterway.
That would be stupid.
You wouldn't we here, youwouldn't do a number two here.
You just shouldn't do that.
You should be 50 meters away,at least from the edges, even
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just to take a pee as you'rewalking down the bush here.
If you're disposing of achemical toilet in a campsite
environment where there are nodump points Now, there's a lot
of dump points these days You'regoing to go past them but
invariably, like if you're doinga bush camp and you've been in
one spot for a week or two andyour toilet's full, you're going
to have to empty it.
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Obviously don't do it rightnear your camp.
But then the next trick is togo far and up away.
Now the toilet chemicals shouldhave done enough breakdown of
the masses, the solids and tothat extent most of the toilet
paper gets consumed by thosechemical systems as well, and it
just comes out like a slurry.
So there is no solid paper orthings to blow around.
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How many times, how many timeshave I dug a hole and empty the
toilet paper and had the thingslosh back up and you get
covered in this wonderfulcocktail of contaminant.
It's not a great thing to havehappen to you.
So the deeper the hole, theless chance to blow back.
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So make your hole big enough,depending on, obviously, the
size of your toilet.
If you've got a 10 or 15, 20liter, 10 liter waste pant.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, well, and whether you let them wean it or
not, yes, if there's wean it.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
It'll be a bit wetter , which makes it a bit easier to
empty.
If no one weas in it, it's onlygot number two and it'll be a
little bit heavier.
Look, I'd probably be betteroff doing a video to explain how
we make a little channel thatruns into the deeper hole, and
it's quite a complicated thing.
But just make sure yeah, not,maybe not, but just make sure
that you're responsible aboutwhere you empty up those
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camtoilets, even with theenvironmental chemicals.
Don't put it in the water,don't put it on the beach, don't
put it, don't put it nearpeople.
Make sure you've gone out,cleared a decent area, dig a
decent hole and make sure thatwhen it goes in you can put
enough layer, at least a foot,30 centimeters Sorry, I'm doing
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that wrong conversion at least30 centimeters of dirt on top of
the top of the water.
Obviously, when you dig a holeand you pour in 10 liters of
solids, it's gonna add a bit, soyou're gonna have a bit of soil
left over.
Try putting it in and stampingit down and making sure it goes
flat as a tap.
So, along with that kind ofprocedure with the toiletry, you
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know, that kind of leads itselfstraight into campfires,
because campfires, we eitherbuild a campfire or dig a hole.
Have we done toilets or are wedone with a toilet?
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh, the other thing, the other thing, obviously, when
you go to the long drop or theprovided toilets, pit toilets
and long drops.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You don't empty your toilet, don't empty your chem
toilet in a pit toilet?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Absolutely never.
They have these signs in mostof them and realistically I'm
flabbergasted because peoplejust must not understand English
with these signs.
The signage in most of thesetoilets that you go to is
usually pretty good.
Certainly in a lot of thenational parks and things
they've tried to put in alldecent signage to tell you how
to do it, but invariably it wasunder.
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The other day at Stockton again,you know, you go over to the
long drop toilet.
It was an immaculate facilitythat had just been pumped out.
They were as clean, they hadwater buckets, they had toilet
paper.
It had everything you couldpossibly ask.
And you walk in there and whatis it?
The dunny seats up.
Now, for those of us that werebrought up in a family with
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mixed male, female children,when we all thought to put the
toilet seat down just as amatter of courtesy, out in the
bush and in these bush toilets,it's not just courtesy, it's a
requirement to keep the fliesand the bugs out of the septic
system.
So make sure you put a lid onit.
If it's clogged and full, don'tuse it, walk away, go 50 or
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more metres away and dig anotherone, or use your chem toilet or
something else.
Don't just put another layer ofcrap on the crap.
I mean complain about itoverflowing you can't pass the
responsibility on If you are theone coming to the issue.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The responsibility lies with you, Correct?
And that's the key.
I know and I've read reviewsthat people tend to expect that,
oh, this is a public facility,they should know and they should
be.
You know the magic.
They should be on top of it.
A lot of these spaces are quiteremote and, yeah, the facility
is there, but it is up to you asa user.
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The buck stops with you and,look, I really want people
listening today to just takeaway a little bit of
self-responsibility from thisdiscussion.
That's all it's about.
Let the buck stop with you.
If it doesn't look right whenyou arrive, then you leave it as
you found it or improve it andleave it better than you found
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it, please.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And so that is exactly the same story with your
campfire.
Now, you know we all love to goout in the bush and have a
campfire.
It's one of the.
For me, it's one of the biggerparts of camping.
I love a campfire.
I almost feel like I'm notcamping unless I've got a
campfire.
Campfire is very important, butone of the things that you can
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be sure, one of the things thatyou can be sure that's going to
spoil our campfire experience intheir future generations, is
what we see all the time whenyou go to these campsites where
it's not a designated ring, oreven sometimes where there is a
designated ring, and all thesesmart people have to build their
fire next to the designatedring or closer to the car.
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It's not in the right spot fromthe kitchen, or my tent is too,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Whatever the excuse.
We don't know what goes throughpeople's minds, but one thing's
for sure every single campsiteyou come to, it's going to be
dotted with more than onecampfire pit.
That's been manmade and itcauses a big problem.
Obviously, you know that thecoals make the ground dirty, so
if it's been lovely white sand,it won't stay white as soon as
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those black coals go on it.
It's just going to be all black, and it makes it lovely white
sand, meaning that your feet aregoing to get all dirty when you
try and walk on it and overtime that'll spread into a ring,
you know, and you never thenwant to put your campfire on it.
It's just ash stuff everywhere.
It's terrible, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So we've been to some campsites.
What was that?
What was that rock?
You went to Garden of Rock,whatever it is.
It was up near Cal Berry.
I could relay a thousandmillion stories, but you're a
little bit of campsite.
It was Garden Rock.
I'm sure it was called GardenRock.
We were mountain biking there.
That's where we got all theflats on our last trip, oh yeah.
Okay Garden Rock Garden.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Rock Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And you drive it.
I remember something I remembersomething I remember, a place,
garden Rock.
That's history.
The back of Q the back of Q andwe drive around and there's some
really lovely little pool inBays, right at the bottom of the
rocks, and the site that wepicked because there was a few
people in some of the othersites the site we picked, we
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pulled up and we get out and youwalk around and I kid you not,
there must have been 20 recentand I don't mean like though
last season 20 recent pits andin all different states of
construction.
Some had stones around the area, some were a hole, some had
been attempted to be covered up.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Some were just on the ground.
Yeah, but you can tell this isfor a space for one vehicle
maybe two, maybe two vehiclescould fit in this space, but
there was 20 different campsites, so this is the thing that
we're talking about here.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So for the first maybe hour and a half to two
hours of that campsite, I wasremoving campfires and
consolidating the campfiresituation, because the other
thing is as a car driving into acampsite.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You really want to avoid more vehicles, wheels,
driving into a campfire.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, because it could still be hot, Because it's
dangerous it could be hot.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's going to damage your vehicle.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You don't know what's in there.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You don't know what's under it.
Glass bottles, tin cans I meanwho wants that sort of damage?
When they come to a smallcampsite, it should be an
obvious location for thecampfire and that should be the
obvious one that the next personcomes to you.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not amenable to having twoor three right, so that you've
got one over there for theperson that sets up in that spot
, one over there for the personthat sets up in that spot,
that's fine.
But do we have to have 20 inbetween there and there?
I don't think so.
You heard me also mention thaton that trip I spent an hour and
a half clearing up these fires.
So if it offends you, like itoffends me, and you want to fix
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it up, what do you do?
Dig out the fire hole, dig outthe coals, dig it out, put it in
a bucket, take it away, spreadit around the trees, spread it
around as far and up away as youpossibly can, and then
basically put fresh dirt, soilor whatever you can find in the
nearest area back into thoseholes and clear it up as best
you can.
Make your one, make the fire inone of the pits that you want
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to use and then look after thatfire pit.
If you're in a pristine area andyou've never and there hasn't
been a fire pit, or you're in it, you know you're doing a
roadside, somewhere where noone's camp before.
Possibly One of the things youwant to strive for is zero
impact.
You want to not see your campby a location when you pull out
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the next morning.
So dig a deep enough hole, haveyour big fire, let it burn down
and in the morning, fill it in100%, completely properly, when
it's cold, not when it's hot.
If it's hot, you've got to dealwith that and, realistically,
you should never leave a hotfire that's not in a contained
fire pit when you drive away.
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You shouldn't leave a hot fireanyway.
You should never, ever, leave ahot fire that's not in a
properly constructed firelocation.
So make sure you put it out.
So then you might need water,or you might.
You know you might need waterto help put it down, or you
might need time to put it out.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Put it nicely, pat it all down, stand on it a few
times, make sure it's flat andclean it's up to all of us, but
make sure that you're notburying with dirt over the top
of a burning log.
Oh yeah, no, because the nextperson to come along could be a
child.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That just goes and grabs the log.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So make sure it's out so.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, Okay, Rubbish toilets fires.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yep, do you know what is my pet's hate Toothpaste.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's spat on the ground, smearing this evidence
of something that's come out ofsomeone's mouth.
When I come to a campsite and Isee a bit of toothpaste and
spat down a tree or near the logor a bit of dirt right where I
want to set up my cat, I meanthat just is revolting.
So one of the things you surelyare doing when you're cleaning
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your teeth is you've got a cupof water, maybe because you're
rinsing your mouth afterwards.
I always make sure I have a bitof water and pour it out over
the top of where I've spat, oryou know.
Again, just use the heel ofyour boot, scrape it away.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Smear your spit.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
yeah, yeah and make just a small divot to spit and
then push.
It doesn't take much, itdoesn't take much.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It doesn't take much to minimize what you have it
doesn't take much and it's allso many small things.
And if we all did it you know,it'd be a lot better.
And you know you can look atthese 20 fires and then the
management people who have tomanage these areas they come in
and they look at this and theygo.
Oh you know what, let's justban fires because it's just too
quick and hard.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
We've got to keep the fires if we can.
So this is a whole idea, thesetips to try and encourage us to
all, collectively, do the rightthing to keep all these places
still open.
Yeah, not only is toothpaste myfavorite, my least favorite
evidence of the camper before,but when I go over to a tree and
I see tipped out lentils orbits of spaghetti bolognese left
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as rubbish from scraping offsomeone's dinner that they've
just tossed against the tree,now, maybe that person didn't
have a campfire to put theirdinner plate waste into.
What do you think they shouldhave done?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You can put it in a bag or bury it out with you.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So just a little rubbish bag.
It's exactly the same, like youwould at home.
So in your home I'm sure youhave a rubbish bin and you have
a plastic bag.
It's the same thing with yourscraps.
Don't put the scraps in thebush, because you know what
native animals don't want yourdinner scraps.
That's not what native animalseat, no, and that can obviously
have impacts on the nativeanimals as well.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, you know, and of course, if there's lots of
food left around at campsites orrubbish left around at
campsites, it's going to bringin the birds and the dingoes and
all of that native wildlifeinto that camp and some of those
might be a problem and some ofthem may not be.
But we want to be zero impactas much as we can.
You know rubbish and we'vetalked about those bits, but
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there's things like throwingyour fruit out the window as
you're driving along.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Mandarin.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Your Mandarin screens or your bananas or your apple
cores and that sort of stuff.
What's the problem with doingthat?
Not so much the litter, it'sactually the animals that's
going to get bought up onto themain roads that are going to get
hit when they come up to eatyour apple core.
And while they're there, theyjust happen to walk out on the
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road and get flattened.
You know, that sort of stuffhappens all the time.
So keeping your litter awayfrom the roadsides is also
really, really important.
And so just make sure, justmake sure, if you're carrying it
, that you keep carrying ituntil you dispose of it properly
.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So that really does go back tohaving a very large receptacle
to put so OK, so one of theserear carrier rubbish bags is a
great idea.
But if you don't have a rearwheel carrier, you've got maybe
got a roof rack or you've got abay in your camper, trailer or
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somewhere that you can storesomething that's waterproof,
like a canvas bag or a vinyl bag, and inside that bag you put
your other plastic bags that areall knotted up.
So ideally be able to carrythree, four, five bags rubbish
bags worth in this bigwaterproof bag.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And there's no excuse .
These days, you know we can goto lots of shops and get really,
really cheap, decent, qualitycanvas bags to put your stuff in
.
So have a few extra bags foryour laundry and your rubbish.
It's so important.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
So that's all part of the trip planning, and if
you've forgotten something alongthe way like that, then yeah,
on the way, make sure that'swhat you buy at the supermarket
for more rubbish bags.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And like doing your laundry and buckets and that
sort of stuff around yourcampsites.
Don't come, certainly come andgrab some water here and take it
up to your camp and do yourwashing, but tip the water out
away when you put the soaps andstuff in it, tip it away.
Don't come back down here andtip it in here and then grab
another bucket and go back up.
That's not the right way.
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Just be responsible, be carefuland be conscious of what you're
doing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Look, I think it's not just people that are
planning to go to remote areasfor a few weeks on in.
It is also people that arecaravanning from park to park.
But there's an inevitableovernight stay that you might
have at a rest area along theway, and while some rest areas
have some facilities and bins,these days you've just got a
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plan for the unexpected thatthat bin is overflowing, that
bin is broken, or you've come toone where there is no bin and
it's just being prepared aheadof time for the unexpected.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And that's what we're getting at.
Nothing is more annoying thanbeing out in the bush for a long
time and knowing you're comingup to a pee bay or a thing that
has bins.
Nothing annoys me more thangetting to that pee bay and the
bins are full and they'reoverflowing.
Now, even if they're full, thatannoys me because I can't
dispose of my rubbish, becausethat's just annoying.
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But why would people leavepiles of rubbish?
Oh yeah, beside the bin, besidethe bin.
It's so smooth, it's just likethe Salvation.
Army where people leave theirclothes on a weekend and you're
not supposed to.
It's the same sort of mentalitythat happens Now, just assuming
that the council's going tocome and take it away.
The reason the thing'soverflowing is that there's
(37:57):
obviously a problem that they'renot out there taking it away
enough.
And that could be anything If alocal guy that collects the
bins in the minor little town issick or they can't keep up with
demand because there's too manytourists.
It just gets difficult.
If it's full, don't leave yourstuff next to it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The biggest problem with leaving a plastic bag
beside a bin and, you'll know,most of these bins have a grid a
metal grid, but the plastic bagis going to be pecked by a crow
.
And look, I've seen this alsohappen unexpectedly.
Maybe backpackers, whatever.
They don't understand that ifyou're trying to leave a table
(38:39):
and chair at your campsite,because you're in a camper van
and you've gone off for the daytrip and you've got to take your
house with you and you've lefta few things to mind your camp,
be really careful that you'renot leaving your rubbish bag at
that camp exposed as well,because I've seen this.
You come driving around throughthe National Park Camp site and
you'll see a site and there'srubbish strewn everywhere and
(39:01):
it's purely because the birdshave pecked open the rubbish bag
.
Look, some of you guys tuningin today.
This is all common sense to you, but the reason we're talking
about it is it's not commonsense to somebody.
You've all seen it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There's a lot of people that are massive.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
the dark umber are common we need to keep this
dialogue open and we need tojust ensure that everybody plays
their part and we just keepdoing our own little bit.
And I think the thing isthankfully I do know that
sometimes people will stop andpick up another person's rubbish
.
If you're able and you can,then I think that's what's going
to have to be done, and as muchas we want to perhaps do no
(39:39):
action so that the authoritiesthat be can observe there's a
problem here, it doesn'tactually fix the problem.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
No, because inevitably the authority turns
around and says it's tooexpensive to maintain, let's
close it or turn off camping,and that's the thing that we
don't want to do.
So as I started, you know, Isaid one of the things we want
to make sure is that theseplaces are always pristine for
our kids and for our kids, kidsand kids, kids, kids to come and
(40:09):
hopefully be able to do thesame sort of activity based on
the way you know, society'smoving.
We might not do this forever,but while we have the ability to
come out here and and enjoy theenvironment, make sure you're
responsible, make sure you lookafter the place, be an
ambassador for cleanliness andtidiness and the environment and
(40:31):
, I'm sure, everyone out therecamping and having a trip or
enjoy it a whole lot more.
So thanks, and hopefully weweren't preaching too much.
Hopefully we've taught a fewpeople some stuff.
It doesn't take much, but itdoes take something.
So just make sure you'reresponsible.
Thanks for listening to thispodcast and we look forward to
(40:51):
catching up with you when nextwe have a chat.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Thanks guys.
Don't forget to subscribe andrate the podcast if you're
listening on Spotify, and leavea comment on YouTube.
Tell us anything that you wantto add as a story, something
you've seen.
You can also write a comment tolet us know what other topics
you might like us to talk aboutin an upcoming podcast.
Thanks guys.
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