April 23, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode of Extra Shot of Chai, we reflect on how the role of the Bollywood heroine has evolved—from delicate elegance to fierce independence. We look back at the grace and quiet strength of the 1940s–70s, the struggles of navigating patriarchal storylines in the 80s and 90s, the slow shift toward better representation in the 2000s, and the rise of complex, powerful women leads in the last decade.
It’s a conversation filled with admiration, frustration, and hope. The journey of the Bollywood heroine is more than just about screen time—it’s about identity, agency, and finally being seen as more than just someone’s love interest.
Join us as we celebrate how far she’s come—and how much further there is to go.
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Wrijoya: Jeena Laga Hoon from Ramaya Vastavaya
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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
What's up everyone?
I missed you guys.
I haven't seen you guys inperson in a while, but I miss
you.
That's because you're hiding.
I am a free bird this week.
I'm hiding at my aunt's house.
I'm the only one that's likestill in my location.
So it's you guys.
You guys need to come back.
But you know what, guys?
I think you all jinxed itbecause I have to come back.
(00:23):
The minute I came toMississippi, I now got an email
from my office that I need to gopick up my government equipment
approved.
That approval took like twomonths and it came the minute I
came into Mississippi.
So I suppose you will see mevery soon within one week.
And I'll go run away again verysoon after that.
(00:47):
I think that's just an excuse.
You already miss us and you'rehaving FOMO.
And therefore you're comingback.
And that's just an excuse to me.
Very well could be.
Very well could be.
So Muni, do you have anybreaking news for us?
Well, I don't know if it'sbreaking news or not, but you
know how I always talk aboutPakistani dramas and how I love
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watching them.
So recently I just saw thatNetflix is having its first
Pakistani series on and it'scalled Jo Bache Hai Sang Samet
Lo.
I don't, it's a very long title,but a bunch of actors that like
I, like what some of myfavorites are going to be on it.
I was just going to ask you, isone of our main favorites in it?
(01:28):
Yeah.
Fawad Ali Khan is going to be init and Maher Ali looks like
she's going to be in it.
Wait, Fahaj is in it?
Fawad.
I thought you said the other hotguy that we like.
Oh, Wahaj?
No, Wahaj is not in it.
Yeah, he's not in it.
But Fawad is in it.
Another guy that I follow,Bilal, is in it.
Oh, I like him.
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Bilal Ashraf, right?
Yes, Bilal Ashraf.
Yeah, also very handsome.
Yeah, he's really good.
Yes.
Hania, is it?
I forgot.
Hania Amir.
Hania Amir.
Yeah, she's going to be in it.
Who we thought was datingBadshah, but I think they're
just friends.
It's funny.
I don't really keep up withPakistani serials or dramas or
any updates, but I actually knewthis update too and- Kavi, you
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hinted at it.
I think we knew it because ourfavorite Fawad Khan's in it.
And I actually like Mahira Khantoo.
So it's definitely like a powerpack team.
They're like the token Pakistaniactors that we Indians know or
the Bollywood scene knows,right?
Because they've been in, likeMahira was in Raiz and then
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Fawad Ali Khan's have been inlike two or three different
movies.
So I think that's kind of howwe, and then they were both in
Hamsa for the, the Pakistaniserial lovers.
Like that was the firstPakistani serial I saw.
So yeah, that, I mean, that'swhat I think people
internationally, they becamelike recognized because of that
particular drama.
Everyone just loved
SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
But there's so many other ones that like, you know,
I think Kavi, you and I bothhave watched like other ones
that are like actually really,really good.
So I'm excited about that tocome out.
And then part of also Netflixhas like a whole bunch of dramas
coming out and content fromSouth Asia.
There's another one coming outcalled The Royals, which I'm
excited to see because it hasIshan Kattar and it has Bhoomi.
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I forget her last name.
Bhoomi.
Her name is Bhoomi.
Bhoomi Pindakar?
Yes.
Oh, she's in it too?
I didn't know she was in it too.
Yeah, it's her, the love storybetween them two or something
between them.
Wait, isn't she so much olderthan him?
We talked about it.
Remember how I think theyreleased a song or a teaser
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beforehand before they launchedthe trailer.
And I did find them to be an oddpairing for a romantic movie or
a series in this case.
But now that they've expandedand I see the ensemble of the
other actors and actresses init, the supporting, I think
it'll be a much more than alovey-dovey romance tale that I
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initially thought.
So I think it'll be good.
I agree.
I think we talked about it acouple of, I think a couple of
episodes ago where we weretalking about all the new
releases coming out on Netflixand it was like a teaser.
You're right.
It was a teaser.
Originally, if I ever, someonetold me like Ishan Kattar and
Bumi were going to get in amovie together, I would have
been like, ah, I don't know.
But they actually look goodtogether in like the cover that
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I've seen of it.
And even the teaser, it lookedlike it's going to be a fun
movie.
I don't know.
I'm excited to watch it.
Hopefully it's good.
It's coming out May 9th onNetflix.
So we'll keep you guys posted.
I'm not sure if it's a movie,right?
Not a series?
No, I think it's a series.
A series?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, it's a series.
Correct.
Well, regardless of the agedifference, I think they do look
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much better than maybe PC andNick Jonas even to this day.
Wow.
Talk about just putting thatunder there.
I mean, PC and Nick Jonas forRidge is just like the bottom of
the bottom.
Yeah, I kind of feel that wayabout them.
There was a thing with NickJonas actually recently, just
(05:01):
today I saw Mahesh Babu's wifeand kids went and saw him on
Broadway, because I guess theywere visiting New York and he's
on he's in a Broadway show andthen Mahesh Babu's wife, her
name is Namrata Shirodhkar.
Yeah, she's another actress.
Yeah, she's another Bollywoodactress.
They met, actually they fell inlove in a movie that they did
together.
(05:21):
And they've been together eversince.
It's really cute.
But, um, so she posted saying,uh, saying, giving thanks to
Priyanka Chopra for making ithappen.
Like got them, got her, got themseats and stuff.
And that makes sense.
Cause Priyanka Chopra is doingthe movie with Mahesh Babu.
So they probably just all becamefriends.
So there's the connect, connect,connect all the dots.
That's the movie she's doingwith SS, right?
Rajmoli.
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Oh, yeah.
Also, it may be the sameBroadway that Hrithik also
visited.
Um, uh, And Priyanka Chopra gothim tickets and his girlfriend
as well.
Yeah, because it's Nick Jonas'show.
I didn't realize it was hisshow, but I did see that too,
the picture of all of themtogether and Priyanka.
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I didn't know you guys werefriends and hanging out.
I don't think it's necessarily afriendship thing.
It's more of a PR marketingstrategy at this point.
I mean, the hubby's in themusical and she wants to make it
more global, I think.
They're doing Chris 4 together,right?
Yeah, exactly.
I think that's probably thesigning of the contracts
happened with all that.
(06:23):
Yeah, that's interesting.
It's like when we go abroad orto a different...
Hey, you want to hang out atthis bar?
You want to go to the Broadwayshow?
Their friends just happen to bea little bit more elite than my
regular friends.
You mean like if I'm in Jerseyand you're in Jersey, you want
to go out to a restaurant andeat?
(06:45):
Yeah, let's go.
Oh, you got hookups in Edison?
Yeah, let's do it.
I do have hookups in Edison.
See?
See?
You can get into thatrestaurant?
Wow, yeah.
Oh, you got us a free appetizer?
Sweet! I like that.
Our bar is free appetizers, andthere's our free ticket to the
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Broadway show.
Exactly.
Front row.
And meet the actors in the back.
UNKNOWN (07:12):
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
All right.
I think...
But did you guys...
Talking about Netflix movies andshows, did you see what Ibrahim
Ali Khan's grandmother saidabout his performance in
Nadania?
The truth.
Sharmila Tagore, right?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, it was pretty funny.
The truth.
So, okay.
Again, I thought the movie wasgood.
I thought the acting wasterrible.
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But Sharmila Ante said, helooked very handsome, but the
movie was very bad.
Again, where's the lie?
Well, Gavi, you're one personwho has told me that you like
the story.
Nirthi also said she liked themovie.
So it was me and Nirthi.
So there's two people that youknow.
Plus, I think you just said yourcousin.
Yes, my cousin also said thatshe's like, yeah, the acting
(07:56):
wasn't great, but the story wasgood.
And I still haven't watched it.
I'm hoping to watch it maybethis weekend if I get some
chance to watch it.
So I will let you know myfeedback on that movie.
Again, you'll be the tiebreakerbetween me and Ridge because I
thought the movie was...
The story was okay.
I was entertained.
I probably never watch it again.
But Ridge thought it was totaltrash.
So...
If you...
(08:16):
end up liking it, I am tellingyou, you'll never get a free
pass to judge any other movie Iwatch.
Well, that's not fair.
I mean, you watched Suki.
She watched Bay.
Oh, she didn't like Bay, though.
Okay, Nadania does not comeclose at all.
Okay, how about Suki?
How about Suki?
Suki tried to give some meaningor messaging at the end of the
(08:39):
day.
Poorly delivered, I will say.
Nadania had nothing.
It was just a decent,entertaining high school story.
That's it.
That's what you're going for.
I'm going for that.
That's exactly what I'm goingfor.
It's not like anything to...
I'm not looking forthought-provoking.
Yeah, I'm not looking forthought-provoking.
I'm not looking for any of thatstuff.
I just need mindless TV in thebackground.
Good, because you won't get it.
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Okay, great.
Perfect.
But it's an easy watch, Ithought.
I felt.
Well, going from there, fromNetflix, going to Prime Video
has season four of Panjayat justcame out.
So I think we talked aboutPanjayat.
Did we ever talk about Panjayatin this series?
I think we hinted at it, but wedidn't go into depth.
I don't think either of us orany of us have really watched
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it, but we know that it's areally good series and wins a
lot of good reviews and awards.
Yeah, I heard it's supposed tobe really, really good.
So the fans have been waitingfor season four to come out and
it's officially coming on July2nd on Prime Video.
So whoever wants to watch it.
You know what else I want towatch on Prime?
That Bandish Bandits.
It's like about singing orsomething like It looks really
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good.
I saw a clip of it and that clipwas so good.
I was like, wait, what is this?
I've never heard of this movie.
I mean, this show, but it looksreally good.
I want to watch that one too.
There's so many I want to watch,but you have to commit to them.
You really have to come in.
That's my biggest problem,commitment.
I think after getting married, Idon't like to commit to anything
else.
I think that's the mostcommitment I can do.
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No, it's a long-term one.
Yeah, Alyssa's really worth ourtime.
Oh, by the way, sorry.
I just finished this Korean showcalled Karma.
Oh, yes.
It's really good.
I deeply committed to that oneand it was very good.
I highly recommend it.
I saw reviews of it.
I haven't seen it yet.
I saw reviews of it, notreviews, clips of it.
And it looked really, reallygood.
Super good.
And I like the comments comingout where people are like, oh,
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this doesn't happen all the timeto one person.
You don't know how many timesthings like that happen to
people.
So you cannot be a judge andmake those type of statements.
So I want to watch it.
I like that actress.
She's a very good actress.
So I think I will, I know it'slike my type of story, but I
think I'm going to watch it justto see like how good the acting
is.
It's very good.
And all the acting is just so,it just looks like so effortless
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on all of everybody.
I mean, that's why I talk aboutthe Korean show so much because
it is so, the stories are goodand the acting is so good.
And you're just like, where isthis taking me?
Just like kind of like taking itall over the place.
And you're like, wow.
And then you just took a jumpabout it.
Well, this week's episode, wewant to talk a little bit more
about the female role inBollywood.
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And even in the Indian filmindustry, we could talk about
the other parallel cinemas thatgoes on in South Asia and how
the female role has evolved fromstarting to up to now.
What did we see?
Because I don't rememberwatching a lot of the 40s movies
or anything like that, or even70s movies.
For me, it's 80s, 90s, and the2000s, right?
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So for you guys, what do youguys see?
for the role of the femalecharacter.
Do you guys have any thoughts onthat?
In general, for me, like when Ifirst started watching Indian
movies, probably like in the 80sand stuff.
So I didn't watch any of the 40sand 50s and 60s.
But like I'm talking about likethe Lagoon Indian movies.
And back then, I just rememberlike usually like the mom was a
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housewife and like did all thehouse chores and took care of
the kids.
It wasn't the Bollywood, theheroine that took over
everything.
the storyline.
The storyline was usually aboutthe man or maybe it could have
been family problems orsomething, but it was mainly led
by the man.
And I remember even watchinglike anytime I, the commercials
and stuff, it would always bethe, the hero.
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The hero was the big, the bigthing that brought people into
watching the cinema.
Like it was for us, for, for me,it was like Chirunjivi and
Entiramarao.
Like those were like the bignames.
And then later on you hear, Oh,Sridevi or Jayaprada or, you
know, Jayasada.
And now it's like, It's verydifferent now than it was back
then when I first startedwatching Indian movies.
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I agree, Kavi, with how theheroine role was really seen as
more of a supporting type ofcharacter in the movies.
And it goes back in the earlierdecades, for sure.
They were just there for thelittle bit of glamour and beauty
to support the main actor androle.
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I will say, I'm not sure aboutthe 80s much, but the 70s really
put a lot of the Bollywoodheroines in the limelight.
As far as glamour and iconicrole goes, so there's the Hema
Malini, who's the quintessentialdream girl, and it was a lot
about the grace and being strongas a character, like a main
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heroine role, but still she wasa side character.
to the actual actor or themovies in Sholay.
But then there's also ZeenatAman, right?
Where she was one of the biggercharacters who tried to play
with the modern and more...
I think trying to shake upthe...
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traditional art type, I think,that they had.
It was more independent andbreaking some of those
stereotypes with the Westernideal.
I think in the 80s, we kind ofprobably went back to the more
traditional cultural roles, likethe mother, the victim type.
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I don't know.
What do you guys think?
I don't really know much aboutthe 80s, but...
How do you know more about the70s and not the 80s?
Because their roles are so...
We talk about it in that iconicheroine episode.
Some of those folks are stillso...
I don't know, strong in theirpersonality.
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And I keep going back to ZinaThamon.
I don't know.
I really have her as a veryiconic character I look up to.
Some of the, some of theresearches that, some of the
researches that I was doing, itwas talking about like in the
40s to the 70s, a lot of thecharacter, women character, even
though there might be courtesansor they might be moms and things
like that, there's still somecharacter development between
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them, right?
Like when you think about astrong female from like in the
70s or something like that, oreven earlier than that, you
think of like mother, MotherIndia Nargis played that role
and that was like really abouther and the cover was like of
her with it so when I thinkabout like older movies that's
one of the main movies thatcomes in my head not a lot of
them but that's one of the onescomes and what Covey, you were
saying that, yeah, in the 80s, amom's role of, like, being at
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home and, like, usuallyemotional, right?
Like, they're the emotionalcharacter.
They're all the weepy, weepyones.
Every time.
A little, like, victim.
I'm the victim, that type.
I'm the victim or, like, youknow, like...
Like the norms, that patriarchalnorm that they say is that, oh,
they're at home and cooking andtaking care of the family and
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the kids.
And if the kids misbehave, it'sthe mom's fault because the mom
is the one who's raising them athome because the dad's at work
doing the work stuff.
So I feel like the shift fromlike what we saw in the 70s with
Nargis having that type of roleand then going to the 80s where
things like changed a little bitand came into the 90s where we
watched a lot of the movies,right?
Even though you mentioned likeZina Thaman and stuff like that,
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I feel like women became moresexualized a little bit more in
the 80s and 90s, you'd be like,oh, they're more modern in that
sense, where they're wearingWestern clothes and things like
that.
Not in the 80s much, but 90sdefinitely, I think.
90s definitely, right?
Yeah.
I think that's what we see inthat sense.
So, yeah, I think Zinith Aman isone of the ones that we talk
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about a lot in the 80s.
Is it 80s, Zinith Aman?
70s.
Zinith Aman was more 70s.
And 80s, again, like you said,kind of transitioned to more the
sacrificial and suffering typeof character roles for women
staying at home.
90s, I think it gave more timeto a lot of female roles.
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I think that's when we see theMadhuri Dixit, Kajol, Raveena
Dandan, Karishma, they startedto grow.
So we had a lot more.
I wouldn't say these actresseswere the leading, leading solo
character in a whole movie, butthey definitely had a longer
screen presence starting fromthe 90s?
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They did, but if you reallythink about it, was it really
that they had actual roles orthey're somehow helping the men
somehow being that other...
Like a supporting role asopposed to like having actual
character development.
Like they did a lot of like, oh,she's crying, so I got to go
save her.
Like more of a savior type ofthing.
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Like, oh, I need to go save her.
There were always the damsel indistress type.
Always a damsel in distress.
Like, some goonda has them, so Igot to go save them.
Her dad locked her up, so I gotto go save her.
Society hasn't get there.
I got to go save her.
UNKNOWN (17:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
But if you think about real, real life, Karishma
fought to be in the movies,remember?
She was not allowed to be partof the film industry.
So in that way, you can say,okay, she was a strong female
actor.
personally, because she foughther way to be in the movies,
even though she was playing adamsel in distress in the
movies.
Even Karina, we talked about howtheir family didn't let women,
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the women in their familyusually didn't act, even if they
were actresses once they gotmarried, they didn't go back to
acting.
They just were at home,homemakers.
And nothing's wrong with beinghomemakers.
Just to be very clear, nothing'swrong with that.
But that's what it was alwaysportrayed and never portrayed
anything different for women.
And even if they were portrayedas homemakers, it was like more
of like a one dimensional andthat's all they did.
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They didn't do more than that.
And homemakers are not always indistress, right?
They're not crying for help.
They're equally strong andindependent at home, if you
really want to portray it thatway.
We have English Vinglish.
Do you remember?
That's where Sri Devi is ahomemaker, but such an
independent character.
Kavi, I know this is a veryfavorite movie of yours, Queen,
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and I know you have thoughts onit, but that's also, Gangana
wasn't a very glamorouscorporate girly to show a mod
Yeah, so that's where theevolution like changed, right?
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Like originally, we saw themjust, you know, having smaller
roles, not characterdevelopment.
And then we saw a change intothis section of like patriarchy
where like the women are writtenin such a way that it was still
men saving women or like sometype of romance coded because
they're like the romance part ofthe guy not having really
independence or their dad istelling them what to do.
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So they must sacrificeeverything for family and they
must get married and things likethat.
Like if you think about, likeeven if you think about, if you
guys remember we talked about itwith the music last week, but
like if you think about, Whatdoes she end up doing?
Even though she loves someoneelse, she's sacrificing her love
for family, even though shedoesn't want to be with him,
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right?
You're so right.
Again, going back to thesacrifice, ultimate sacrifice.
Even though I was shown as achirpy girl studying, I have my
own, I'm like, you know,happy-go-lucky, but at the end
of the day, I am thatsacrificial lamb that's giving
away because I'm the woman.
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Yep, exactly, exactly.
See, like, exactly like that.
Or, like, in other movies where,like, other ones, it was funny
because I remember the specificmovie, um, If you remember the
movie, I don't know if you guyshave seen that movie.
It's a movie.
Yes.
Sometimes you would see a womanget assaulted in a movie.
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And what would the, what isthere?
Like, what do they do to resolvethat assault?
It's more like, Oh, why don'tyou just marry this person?
Oh my God.
Yes.
Get married with your rapistbecause you may get pregnant.
And what is culture and societygoing to say that?
Yes, that storyline isdefinitely backdated and you
definitely saw a lot more of itback in the day as far as female
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characters go.
But I'm glad we're seeing anevolution of that.
And I think it may go back toonce Bollywood started opening
up more globally and gettingmore of the global audience from
2000s onward.
I think they needed to take aback seat from some of those
traditional story plots.
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Yeah, and I think I think Iagree.
I think the female part changedwhen it became that global, like
it started, like Bollywoodbecame out there in the global
international world a little bitmore.
Yeah, so I think in the 90s, itwas more about, like, the
obedient or, like, the sanskariwomen that they talk about.
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And then, like, if they were notthat, then they were too modern
and they're too Western andthey're not, like, marriage
material.
And then they have to, like,very fast, very fast.
And then they change, like,change their clothes and become,
like, dissy and sanskari andthings like that, right?
And then, like, the 2000s comesin and then we see a little bit
more movies coming in where,like, everybody was naked.
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Wait, what?
What movie are you thinking of?
I think, I mean, this, I don't,I'm pretty sure this is a 2000s
movie, probably not early 2000s,but Cocktail, where she's just
wearing like, they're allwearing just like nothing.
2010s on.
Yeah, 2010s on.
But early 2000s, with the likebaby steps, right?
Like we talk about, people talkabout fashion, how it was like
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very female led, it was PriyankaChopra and Kangana Ranautkar in
it, right?
And then, I loved that movie.
Yeah, you did say you love it.
And then for me, a movie thatlike, which one?
Which movie?
Fashion.
2008.
Yeah.
Okay.
There was a movie.
You guys remember?
You should know this one.
Lajja.
There's a song from BuddyMushkil.
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Yes.
That movie was really goodbecause...
There's only, it was a lot offemales and different stories of
the females.
Like every female had its ownstory went from like, you know,
a marriage, a wedding where theywere asking for like dowry and
they're like, and what the, whatthe female did in that
situation.
Or like one who was likeMadhuri's character, I think
was, was a either like pregnant,like not married, but pregnant.
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And like what happened to her.
And it was a story betweenManisha Kaurala running away
from an abusive husband orsomething like that.
And each woman she met had somedifferent story of their life.
So that was a really good movie.
And how slowly into the early2000s, they slowly changed their
role a little bit more.
Giving them more dimension tothem as opposed to just being
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the heroine on the side andthings like that.
Well, the stories were more likefemale based versus like male
dishum dishum and all that kindof stuff.
It was more like stories, femalestories.
Yeah.
And honestly, Lecce is one ofthose movies, one of the first
movies I think of when I thinkof an all-female ensemble in
Bollywood, because I think therewere six or seven.
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Even Urmila was in it.
And I don't know if Tabu was init, but I remember watching it.
It was a really good movie.
But early 2000s, we also sawsome of those solo female-led
movies like Black Widow.
where Rani Mukherjee held herground.
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Let me just yawn again.
Hey, I'm not saying it'sexciting, but it was great to
watch a female.
I know, you said the acting wasreally good.
Yes, yes.
But then Devdas, for example, ofcourse, Shah Rukh Khan had that
main role, but Aishwarya andMadhuri also held their own and
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had equal spotlight.
And then there's Preeti ZintaAnd again, I know we all have
feelings of how that moviereally is, but she really led
the movie.
I don't necessarily think ofSaif Ali Khan, for example, to
be the star of the movie.
I think of It's Nana's storybecause it was a very strong
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character.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't like thatmovie.
That's what she said.
As I said, I know some of usfeel.
She means us.
And that's a Shah Rukh Khanmovie.
And I was like, this is dumb.
I mean, it's not dumb, but it'snot.
It's not kuch kuch otay and kabikushi kabi gum for me.
But is this when do you thinkthat the industry started
listening to women to give themmore better roles?
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Do you think that was happening?
Or do you think it was morelike, oh, globally, we have to
change our vision of how we havewomen?
I have thoughts on that.
I think it's not just...
I think it's more...
Not the Bollywood, the heroines,like the people that we see on
screen.
I think there were a lot morefemales behind the scenes, like
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in terms of cinematographers,choreographers, directors,
assistant directors.
I think there's a lot morefemales that influence the
storytelling.
That's what I think.
And that kind of helped bring inmore female oriented characters
on the scene.
That's a good point.
That's really good point.
I also do think that it's theglobal interest that grew once
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we hit the international marketthat had the emphasis.
Because again, I keep seeingthis almost all episodes.
Money talks.
And if the producers are seeingthat more global countries like
a more independent storyline,female-led storyline, and have
more female-led movies, theywill make that shift.
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But I don't think it necessarilyBut I think that that shift,
global shift is happening now,not ever.
in the early 2000s.
Like now you're seeing Netflixcome in buying rights for
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certain movies or Amazon comingin buying rights for certain
movies.
And they're doing it basicallybased on popularity and of
course storyline as well, butmainly because of popularity.
But I don't think that shiftedthe storyline's 20 years ago,
like in the early 2000s, 2010s.
I think now that's happening forglobal, globally.
I think they slowly startedmoving that way, right?
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Like even if you talk about likethe early 2010, like 2012, you
talked about cocktail, right?
You just talked about cocktailearlier.
We're talking about that.
But if you remember the movieCocktail, right?
Deepika's character was supposedto be like this modern girl
living on her own, like livingwith her boyfriend.
And, you know, it's so cool.
And like she's out partying,drinking.
That's her life.
That makes her like really cool.
And then she like lets this likequiet girl come live with her.
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And then her boyfriend at thetime, live-in boyfriend that
she's living with, ends upfalling in love with the quiet,
since Scotty girl, because she'smore of that type of
personality, as opposed to thefree-minded, the free-spirited,
the Western or the modern typeof girl.
So they still kind of went backto it.
They would show the charactersbeing these strong females, but
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in the end, they were like, oh,well, I still want this one that
I think is more of a marriagematerial, kind of like that.
For sure.
Now that I think about Cocktail,I am more 100% angrier, so much
angrier at Saif Ali Khan's role.
It's a guy's fault.
Deepika and Diana Penty'scharacters, they were balanced.
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One is the modern, independent,and like you said, the other is
traditional.
But it was really Saif Ali Khanthat broke down the archaic
background backdated feeling of,oh, let me have all the fun with
the modern hype hot girl, butthen family would love it if I
settled down with thetraditional bohu.
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So it gave me more anger now atCephalicon's character than
initially when I watched it in2010, I'd say.
I thought of it just as anotherregular rom-com that ended how
it's supposed to, but goingback, you know, 10 years, 15
years later, it makes me angriernow.
to like know what do you thinkabout like what the story
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actually was right like youthink about like yeah what they
made it seem like and what theywere portraying for that to be
yeah so like i think theystarted so they slowly started
with that right and then likenow we go back into where we are
right now where we like later onlike the movie is like a piku
piku was piku was like a femaleright it was a female i mean
granted i mean that button wason it like everyone goes to
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watch his movies but like shedid such a good job in no kevi I
don't go to watch Amitabhmovies.
I'm sorry, it's not, it's notgay.
No, but he does hold a certaingrandeur, for sure, and does get
a certain type of people whoare, like, always fans and will
watch it.
But it is the Because movie, andit is Irfan Khan's movie, I'd
say.
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Yeah, yeah, and those are moviesthat we know.
And even, like, we talk aboutRazi, right?
That's Alia Bhatt's, like, maybefourth or fifth movie.
And she did such a good jobportraying Razi.
Even Highway.
Even Highway.
Highway, she was so good.
She was like number...
I think that was her secondmovie or third movie, right?
Something like that.
She was like a baby.
She was a baby.
And it was such a good movie.
And it was a female-led movie.
So even...
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I mean, I think there's stillprogress to happen, right?
We still have to have a lot moreprogress going through because
we talk about...
all of the themes, like youtalked about Gavi, that there's
more women in the industry, likethe backend, like helping behind
the scenes, the writers andthings like that.
And one of the writers that weknow that, or like one of the
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directors that we know are, oneof the top directors we know is
like Farah Khan, right?
Like one of the ones that wetalked about in the backend that
Farah Khan is one of the onesthat has come out And not only
Farah Khan, like, I mean, someof our favorite movies or
serials is Zoya Akhtar and RimaKangti, right?
Like, Made in Heaven.
So good.
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And female written, femaledirected, female produced.
And it's the stories we want tosee.
And it's female-led, too,because you talk about that
character.
Female-led.
She's an amazing character thatwe all love and love to watch.
Mira Nair is another greatfemale director.
Also very good.
What was she doing?
Mountain Wedding.
And I think 1947 Earth andAnother Water also with Jot.
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Water.
Yeah.
And then those were like early,early on.
Early movies.
And then now we have likeGangubai type of movies, right?
And that movie was just fullfemale.
It was just a female led movie.
But I think that also is likeSanjay Leela Bansali, right?
He always has strong characters,strong female characters.
Hira Mundi, like, like you guystalked about earlier, Dave Das,
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like with Madhuri and Aishwarya,all his females are such strong
characters.
All his females were very, verystrong.
But in this particular, therewas, there was no, there was no
real love story.
If you really think about it,there was a small little thing
between him, five minutes.
But even then he didn't castlike a big, big, actor right all
of his movies have huge maleleads as well it's not just a
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huge female yeah this particularmovie was just the female lead
and i think people were like ohhow is it going to really do
because usually in the theatersa female-led movie doesn't do
that well like it is okay but tobe like that good like people
didn't know what to expect fromit and actually was very well
done i don't think i'd everwatch it again because it's very
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very it really gets to you butlike It was, when I watched it,
it was so good.
It was such a well done movie.
I know we mentioned No One KillsJessica, but Vidya Balan also
did Kahani and The DirtyPicture.
And those were great movies.
And then I love Alia Bhatt inmany ways, but just wanted to
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emphasize that she really is oneof these early actresses that
took bold choices in female-ledscripts.
We mentioned Highway and Razzyand Gangupai, but she...
did that from a very young age,from the very start.
That's true.
But I feel like that's becauseother women have fought for her
to get to those roles, right?
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Like Vidya Balan, like you justsaid, like you said Vidya Balan,
like she doesn't do any moremovies where she's like a side
character, kind of like hermovies are always like about,
like there's another moviecalled Tumari Sallu.
I don't think I've actually,right?
She's like a, it's cute, right?
It's a cute movie about like amarried woman who wants to
become a radio personnel.
Is that what it is?
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She becomes like a phone sexoperator at the end of the day.
Okay, sorry.
I didn't realize that's what itwas.
I thought she was just a radiojockey.
But it was good.
It was like she led the film.
It wasn't raunchy or anything.
It was really nice.
I know she's quirky, hispersonality in real life.
We don't think she's quirky.
We think she's crazy.
Hey, I'm trying to use nicewords here.
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But her movie, Stanuwet's ManuQueen...
Even her latest movie,Emergency, she's playing Indira
Gandhi.
I haven't seen it, but it's onNetflix.
I want to see it, but I haven'tseen it yet.
As you're mentioning, otheractresses like Tapasi Pannu
also.
So amazing.
She bothers me, but she doesgood movies.
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Her personality as a personmight not be the greatest, but
as an actress, she does goodmovies.
Tapar is one of the movies thatshe did really well on that.
Yes, amazing in movies.
So there's Pink and Badla.
They're very nice as well.
Yeah, Pink was really, reallygood.
Really, really good.
But I know there's Shefali Shah,Sobita Dhulipala, Radhika Apte.
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They've started some really bigticket OTT series.
And we mentioned those too.
But I'm excited to see howfemale characters lead in the
non-movie platforms as well.
No, I agree.
I agree that we talked about theseries that they are coming out
and a lot more of those.
And I think, again, it goes backto, I feel like it goes back to
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who are writing thesecharacters, right?
Are we seeing men writing womencharacters?
Are we seeing women writingwomen characters?
And I think that's where thedifference comes in for us.
And I think that's where itgives us more powerful
characters.
And this is probably why we likethe OTTs a little bit more
because there are a lot morewomen writers in OTTs as opposed
to like the big blockbustermovies where it's not women
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writers.
We're still having male writersright women and like oh protect
me oh save me oh you know I haveto be a certain way so men can
marry me like those type ofstories like we don't want to
see those type of things anymoreright like we don't we don't
want that we want like badassheroines like in like Mardani
like the Rani Mukherjee'scharacter in that one or like
even emotionally flawed like inPiku she was like you know kind
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of annoyed by her dad here andthere because of like how her
life is because of how hisbehavior is things like that so
I mean it's it's interesting tosee where this is all going to
lead in the future.
And I hope it's better.
And I hope it's like morecharacter development on women
and like more women in thebackground writing these stories
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for us.
I don't know.
Actually, maybe you won't guessthis.
Let's see.
You might guess one piece of it.
This aging superstar has beenhaving a bad phase in his
career.
He has gone from being thenumber one challenger to the
throne to being replaced inmovies.
Is it the same person?
No, it's not who you think itis, Wendy.
As per a source, a youngheartthrob has replaced the
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aging superstar in at leastthree projects.
Filmmakers feel he's younger,acts just as well in comedy
movies, and comes at the thirdof the cost.
To add to it, the youngheartthrob is having a great run
at the box office.
Can you guess the seller?
Akshay Kumar.
So young.
Yes! I think at first youthought it was Salman Khan.
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And go ahead, Rich, you're...
Your young heartthrob, yes.
Replaced by Karthik, yeah.
I just don't understand why hehas that nickname in all the
blinds.
It's just not true.
He's so gross.
Who thinks he's a heartthrob?
You know what's so funny?
The very first comment is, canwe stop calling Karthik Aryan a
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young heartthrob?
He's not a heartthrob in anysense of the word.
He's not a heartthrob.
I left that comment.
Yeah, your name is Michelle.
Okay.
Actually, your nickname isMisha, right?
Because it's Michelle Misha.
No, I agree that he's not aheartthrob.
And he's not young.
He's in his 30s.
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Like, young to me, youngheartthrob is the new guys
coming in.
You know, like Iggy.
Even Ishan Kattar, even thoughhe's been here for a while.
Like, those people are youngheartthrobs.
Not stupid Karthik Aryan.
Well, that was a blind.
Good guessings on all theheartthrobs and aging
superstars.
Is that the only one we gottoday?
Yeah, the other one's kind ofdumb.
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I was honestly thinking all theold actors.
There's Amar Khan, Salman Khan,and Shah Rukh Khan is not
replaceable for sure.
I thought Muni was going to saySalman.
No, when you said replaced, Idon't think Salman, Shah Rukh,
and Amar get replaced in movies.
Akshay Kumar does just so manymovies that I feel like he would
be replaceable.
You know what I mean?
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The other movies, other people,not really replaceable because
he doesn't have time for thatmovie.
So they need to find somebodyelse with freer dates.
Is that what it is?
I thought they replaced himthat's what it yeah replaced but
probably because akshay kumardidn't have dates because he's
doing 10 000 other movies that'swhat i think that's exactly and
then and then like karthikaryan's like taking all of like
akshay kumar style movies likecome on you are not akshay kumar
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from that like well belaya 7 25good to know he only gets paid
one third of akshay so oh heshouldn't get paid at all it's
still a lot it's a lot yeahAlright guys, it's time for the
vows.
Are we ready?
I think so.
Alright, I'm going to start.
My vow is a song called TereBina Na Guzara.
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It's by Josh Brar and KinzaHashmi.
It's a Punjabi song and it'sjust really, it's kind of old
school Bollywood-ish almost, butit's really cute.
Like it sounds cute to me.
I don't know what they're sayingit's in Punjabi, but it just
sounds really, really, reallycute.
What is it called again?
Tere Bina Na Guzara.
Without you...
I can't live.
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I can't, like...
B.
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
(39:31):
All right.
All right,
SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
Ridge, hit it to give us your vow.
All right.
My vow is the song.
All right.
from the movie Ramayya
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
Vastavaya.
SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
Now, I haven't watched that movie.
It kind of looks very silly.
And the actor looks, like, veryweird and chirpy.
I don't know.
But the song is by Atif Aslamand Shreya Ghoshal.
And a beautiful melody.
I saw that movie.
And it's, like, a copy of themovie with Salman Khan and
Kajal.
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Where he sings, oh, I forgot themovie's name.
It's a much copy of that.
But, like, it was really bad.
It was so bad.
The actor was really bad.
All right, Muni, what's yoursong?
Okay, my song is this songcalled Nasha from the movie Raid
2 because we already saw Raid 1,right?
So there's Raid 2.
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This is Aj Ki Raat Part 2.
This is Aj Ki Raat 2 becauseit's Tamanna Jailer, Jailer Nu
Kavalaya.
It's like, she looks the same inall three of these songs.
She looks exactly the same.
She dances the same in all threeof the songs.
All of her outfits are the same.
Her hairstyle is the same.
It's out and she's doing thesame.
Same type of thing.
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Sorry, when we say she, we'retalking about Tamanna Bhatia.
Yeah, Tamanna Bhatia.
That's who we mean.
And the song is by JasmineSandals and Sachit Tandon.
And I don't know.
The beats are really good.
I don't know how much I loveJasmine Sandalis.
Her voice is so good.
Sandalis.
Yeah, she has a really coolvoice.
So that is my vow for the week.
Very good.
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Thank you.
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I thought you were singinganother
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dumb song that you made me put in the
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90s.
Date it!
What's up everyone?
I missed you guys.
I haven't seen you guys inperson in a while, but I miss
you.
That's because you're hiding.
I am a free bird this week.
I'm hiding at my aunt's house.
I'm the only one that's likestill in my location.
So it's you guys.
You guys need to come back.
But you know what, guys?
I think you all jinxed itbecause I have to come back.
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The minute I came toMississippi, I now got an email
from my office that I need to gopick up my government equipment
approved.
That approval took like twomonths and it came the minute I
came into Mississippi.
So I suppose you will see mevery soon within one week.
And I'll go run away again verysoon after that.
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I think that's just an excuse.
You already miss us and you'rehaving FOMO.
And therefore you're comingback.
And that's just an excuse to me.
Very well could be.
Very well could be.
So Muni, do you have anybreaking news for us?
Well, I don't know if it'sbreaking news or not, but you
know how I always talk aboutPakistani dramas and how I love
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watching them.
So recently I just saw thatNetflix is having its first
Pakistani series on and it'scalled Jo Bache Hai Sang Samet
Lo.
I don't, it's a very long title,but a bunch of actors that like
I, like what some of myfavorites are going to be on it.
I was just going to ask you, isone of our main favorites in it?
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Yeah.
Fawad Ali Khan is going to be init and Maher Ali looks like
she's going to be in it.
Wait, Fahaj is in it?
Fawad.
I thought you said the other hotguy that we like.
Oh, Wahaj?
No, Wahaj is not in it.
Yeah, he's not in it.
But Fawad is in it.
Another guy that I follow,Bilal, is in it.
Oh, I like him.
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Bilal Ashraf, right?
Yes, Bilal Ashraf.
Yeah, also very handsome.
Yeah, he's really good.
Yes.
Hania, is it?
I forgot.
Hania Amir.
Hania Amir.
Yeah, she's going to be in it.
Who we thought was datingBadshah, but I think they're
just friends.
It's funny.
I don't really keep up withPakistani serials or dramas or
any updates, but I actually knewthis update too and- Kavi, you
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hinted at it.
I think we knew it because ourfavorite Fawad Khan's in it.
And I actually like Mahira Khantoo.
So it's definitely like a powerpack team.
They're like the token Pakistaniactors that we Indians know or
the Bollywood scene knows,right?
Because they've been in, likeMahira was in Raiz and then
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Fawad Ali Khan's have been inlike two or three different
movies.
So I think that's kind of howwe, and then they were both in
Hamsa for the, the Pakistaniserial lovers.
Like that was the firstPakistani serial I saw.
So yeah, that, I mean, that'swhat I think people
internationally, they becamelike recognized because of that
particular drama.
Everyone just loved
SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
it.
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But there's so many other ones that like, you know,
I think Kavi, you and I bothhave watched like other ones
that are like actually really,really good.
So I'm excited about that tocome out.
And then part of also Netflixhas like a whole bunch of dramas
coming out and content fromSouth Asia.
There's another one coming outcalled The Royals, which I'm
excited to see because it hasIshan Kattar and it has Bhoomi.
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I forget her last name.
Bhoomi.
Her name is Bhoomi.
Bhoomi Pindakar?
Yes.
Oh, she's in it too?
I didn't know she was in it too.
Yeah, it's her, the love storybetween them two or something
between them.
Wait, isn't she so much olderthan him?
We talked about it.
Remember how I think theyreleased a song or a teaser
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beforehand before they launchedthe trailer.
And I did find them to be an oddpairing for a romantic movie or
a series in this case.
But now that they've expandedand I see the ensemble of the
other actors and actresses init, the supporting, I think
it'll be a much more than alovey-dovey romance tale that I
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initially thought.
So I think it'll be good.
I agree.
I think we talked about it acouple of, I think a couple of
episodes ago where we weretalking about all the new
releases coming out on Netflixand it was like a teaser.
You're right.
It was a teaser.
Originally, if I ever, someonetold me like Ishan Kattar and
Bumi were going to get in amovie together, I would have
been like, ah, I don't know.
But they actually look goodtogether in like the cover that
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I've seen of it.
And even the teaser, it lookedlike it's going to be a fun
movie.
I don't know.
I'm excited to watch it.
Hopefully it's good.
It's coming out May 9th onNetflix.
So we'll keep you guys posted.
I'm not sure if it's a movie,right?
Not a series?
No, I think it's a series.
A series?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, it's a series.
Correct.
Well, regardless of the agedifference, I think they do look
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much better than maybe PC andNick Jonas even to this day.
Wow.
Talk about just putting thatunder there.
I mean, PC and Nick Jonas forRidge is just like the bottom of
the bottom.
Yeah, I kind of feel that wayabout them.
There was a thing with NickJonas actually recently, just
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today I saw Mahesh Babu's wifeand kids went and saw him on
Broadway, because I guess theywere visiting New York and he's
on he's in a Broadway show andthen Mahesh Babu's wife, her
name is Namrata Shirodhkar.
Yeah, she's another actress.
Yeah, she's another Bollywoodactress.
They met, actually they fell inlove in a movie that they did
together.
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And they've been together eversince.
It's really cute.
But, um, so she posted saying,uh, saying, giving thanks to
Priyanka Chopra for making ithappen.
Like got them, got her, got themseats and stuff.
And that makes sense.
Cause Priyanka Chopra is doingthe movie with Mahesh Babu.
So they probably just all becamefriends.
So there's the connect, connect,connect all the dots.
That's the movie she's doingwith SS, right?
Rajmoli.
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Oh, yeah.
Also, it may be the sameBroadway that Hrithik also
visited.
Um, uh, And Priyanka Chopra gothim tickets and his girlfriend
as well.
Yeah, because it's Nick Jonas'show.
I didn't realize it was hisshow, but I did see that too,
the picture of all of themtogether and Priyanka.
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I didn't know you guys werefriends and hanging out.
I don't think it's necessarily afriendship thing.
It's more of a PR marketingstrategy at this point.
I mean, the hubby's in themusical and she wants to make it
more global, I think.
They're doing Chris 4 together,right?
Yeah, exactly.
I think that's probably thesigning of the contracts
happened with all that.
(06:23):
Yeah, that's interesting.
It's like when we go abroad orto a different...
Hey, you want to hang out atthis bar?
You want to go to the Broadwayshow?
Their friends just happen to bea little bit more elite than my
regular friends.
You mean like if I'm in Jerseyand you're in Jersey, you want
to go out to a restaurant andeat?
(06:45):
Yeah, let's go.
Oh, you got hookups in Edison?
Yeah, let's do it.
I do have hookups in Edison.
See?
See?
You can get into thatrestaurant?
Wow, yeah.
Oh, you got us a free appetizer?
Sweet! I like that.
Our bar is free appetizers, andthere's our free ticket to the
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Broadway show.
Exactly.
Front row.
And meet the actors in the back.
UNKNOWN (07:12):
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
All right.
I think...
But did you guys...
Talking about Netflix movies andshows, did you see what Ibrahim
Ali Khan's grandmother saidabout his performance in
Nadania?
The truth.
Sharmila Tagore, right?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, it was pretty funny.
The truth.
So, okay.
Again, I thought the movie wasgood.
I thought the acting wasterrible.
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But Sharmila Ante said, helooked very handsome, but the
movie was very bad.
Again, where's the lie?
Well, Gavi, you're one personwho has told me that you like
the story.
Nirthi also said she liked themovie.
So it was me and Nirthi.
So there's two people that youknow.
Plus, I think you just said yourcousin.
Yes, my cousin also said thatshe's like, yeah, the acting
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wasn't great, but the story wasgood.
And I still haven't watched it.
I'm hoping to watch it maybethis weekend if I get some
chance to watch it.
So I will let you know myfeedback on that movie.
Again, you'll be the tiebreakerbetween me and Ridge because I
thought the movie was...
The story was okay.
I was entertained.
I probably never watch it again.
But Ridge thought it was totaltrash.
So...
If you...
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end up liking it, I am tellingyou, you'll never get a free
pass to judge any other movie Iwatch.
Well, that's not fair.
I mean, you watched Suki.
She watched Bay.
Oh, she didn't like Bay, though.
Okay, Nadania does not comeclose at all.
Okay, how about Suki?
How about Suki?
Suki tried to give some meaningor messaging at the end of the
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day.
Poorly delivered, I will say.
Nadania had nothing.
It was just a decent,entertaining high school story.
That's it.
That's what you're going for.
I'm going for that.
That's exactly what I'm goingfor.
It's not like anything to...
I'm not looking forthought-provoking.
Yeah, I'm not looking forthought-provoking.
I'm not looking for any of thatstuff.
I just need mindless TV in thebackground.
Good, because you won't get it.
(09:00):
Okay, great.
Perfect.
But it's an easy watch, Ithought.
I felt.
Well, going from there, fromNetflix, going to Prime Video
has season four of Panjayat justcame out.
So I think we talked aboutPanjayat.
Did we ever talk about Panjayatin this series?
I think we hinted at it, but wedidn't go into depth.
I don't think either of us orany of us have really watched
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it, but we know that it's areally good series and wins a
lot of good reviews and awards.
Yeah, I heard it's supposed tobe really, really good.
So the fans have been waitingfor season four to come out and
it's officially coming on July2nd on Prime Video.
So whoever wants to watch it.
You know what else I want towatch on Prime?
That Bandish Bandits.
It's like about singing orsomething like It looks really
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good.
I saw a clip of it and that clipwas so good.
I was like, wait, what is this?
I've never heard of this movie.
I mean, this show, but it looksreally good.
I want to watch that one too.
There's so many I want to watch,but you have to commit to them.
You really have to come in.
That's my biggest problem,commitment.
I think after getting married, Idon't like to commit to anything
else.
I think that's the mostcommitment I can do.
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No, it's a long-term one.
Yeah, Alyssa's really worth ourtime.
Oh, by the way, sorry.
I just finished this Korean showcalled Karma.
Oh, yes.
It's really good.
I deeply committed to that oneand it was very good.
I highly recommend it.
I saw reviews of it.
I haven't seen it yet.
I saw reviews of it, notreviews, clips of it.
And it looked really, reallygood.
Super good.
And I like the comments comingout where people are like, oh,
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this doesn't happen all the timeto one person.
You don't know how many timesthings like that happen to
people.
So you cannot be a judge andmake those type of statements.
So I want to watch it.
I like that actress.
She's a very good actress.
So I think I will, I know it'slike my type of story, but I
think I'm going to watch it justto see like how good the acting
is.
It's very good.
And all the acting is just so,it just looks like so effortless
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on all of everybody.
I mean, that's why I talk aboutthe Korean show so much because
it is so, the stories are goodand the acting is so good.
And you're just like, where isthis taking me?
Just like kind of like taking itall over the place.
And you're like, wow.
And then you just took a jumpabout it.
Well, this week's episode, wewant to talk a little bit more
about the female role inBollywood.
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And even in the Indian filmindustry, we could talk about
the other parallel cinemas thatgoes on in South Asia and how
the female role has evolved fromstarting to up to now.
What did we see?
Because I don't rememberwatching a lot of the 40s movies
or anything like that, or even70s movies.
For me, it's 80s, 90s, and the2000s, right?
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So for you guys, what do youguys see?
for the role of the femalecharacter.
Do you guys have any thoughts onthat?
In general, for me, like when Ifirst started watching Indian
movies, probably like in the 80sand stuff.
So I didn't watch any of the 40sand 50s and 60s.
But like I'm talking about likethe Lagoon Indian movies.
And back then, I just rememberlike usually like the mom was a
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housewife and like did all thehouse chores and took care of
the kids.
It wasn't the Bollywood, theheroine that took over
everything.
the storyline.
The storyline was usually aboutthe man or maybe it could have
been family problems orsomething, but it was mainly led
by the man.
And I remember even watchinglike anytime I, the commercials
and stuff, it would always bethe, the hero.
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The hero was the big, the bigthing that brought people into
watching the cinema.
Like it was for us, for, for me,it was like Chirunjivi and
Entiramarao.
Like those were like the bignames.
And then later on you hear, Oh,Sridevi or Jayaprada or, you
know, Jayasada.
And now it's like, It's verydifferent now than it was back
then when I first startedwatching Indian movies.
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I agree, Kavi, with how theheroine role was really seen as
more of a supporting type ofcharacter in the movies.
And it goes back in the earlierdecades, for sure.
They were just there for thelittle bit of glamour and beauty
to support the main actor androle.
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I will say, I'm not sure aboutthe 80s much, but the 70s really
put a lot of the Bollywoodheroines in the limelight.
As far as glamour and iconicrole goes, so there's the Hema
Malini, who's the quintessentialdream girl, and it was a lot
about the grace and being strongas a character, like a main
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heroine role, but still she wasa side character.
to the actual actor or themovies in Sholay.
But then there's also ZeenatAman, right?
Where she was one of the biggercharacters who tried to play
with the modern and more...
I think trying to shake upthe...
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traditional art type, I think,that they had.
It was more independent andbreaking some of those
stereotypes with the Westernideal.
I think in the 80s, we kind ofprobably went back to the more
traditional cultural roles, likethe mother, the victim type.
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I don't know.
What do you guys think?
I don't really know much aboutthe 80s, but...
How do you know more about the70s and not the 80s?
Because their roles are so...
We talk about it in that iconicheroine episode.
Some of those folks are stillso...
I don't know, strong in theirpersonality.
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And I keep going back to ZinaThamon.
I don't know.
I really have her as a veryiconic character I look up to.
Some of the, some of theresearches that, some of the
researches that I was doing, itwas talking about like in the
40s to the 70s, a lot of thecharacter, women character, even
though there might be courtesansor they might be moms and things
like that, there's still somecharacter development between
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them, right?
Like when you think about astrong female from like in the
70s or something like that, oreven earlier than that, you
think of like mother, MotherIndia Nargis played that role
and that was like really abouther and the cover was like of
her with it so when I thinkabout like older movies that's
one of the main movies thatcomes in my head not a lot of
them but that's one of the onescomes and what Covey, you were
saying that, yeah, in the 80s, amom's role of, like, being at
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home and, like, usuallyemotional, right?
Like, they're the emotionalcharacter.
They're all the weepy, weepyones.
Every time.
A little, like, victim.
I'm the victim, that type.
I'm the victim or, like, youknow, like...
Like the norms, that patriarchalnorm that they say is that, oh,
they're at home and cooking andtaking care of the family and
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the kids.
And if the kids misbehave, it'sthe mom's fault because the mom
is the one who's raising them athome because the dad's at work
doing the work stuff.
So I feel like the shift fromlike what we saw in the 70s with
Nargis having that type of roleand then going to the 80s where
things like changed a little bitand came into the 90s where we
watched a lot of the movies,right?
Even though you mentioned likeZina Thaman and stuff like that,
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I feel like women became moresexualized a little bit more in
the 80s and 90s, you'd be like,oh, they're more modern in that
sense, where they're wearingWestern clothes and things like
that.
Not in the 80s much, but 90sdefinitely, I think.
90s definitely, right?
Yeah.
I think that's what we see inthat sense.
So, yeah, I think Zinith Aman isone of the ones that we talk
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about a lot in the 80s.
Is it 80s, Zinith Aman?
70s.
Zinith Aman was more 70s.
And 80s, again, like you said,kind of transitioned to more the
sacrificial and suffering typeof character roles for women
staying at home.
90s, I think it gave more timeto a lot of female roles.
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I think that's when we see theMadhuri Dixit, Kajol, Raveena
Dandan, Karishma, they startedto grow.
So we had a lot more.
I wouldn't say these actresseswere the leading, leading solo
character in a whole movie, butthey definitely had a longer
screen presence starting fromthe 90s?
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They did, but if you reallythink about it, was it really
that they had actual roles orthey're somehow helping the men
somehow being that other...
Like a supporting role asopposed to like having actual
character development.
Like they did a lot of like, oh,she's crying, so I got to go
save her.
Like more of a savior type ofthing.
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Like, oh, I need to go save her.
There were always the damsel indistress type.
Always a damsel in distress.
Like, some goonda has them, so Igot to go save them.
Her dad locked her up, so I gotto go save her.
Society hasn't get there.
I got to go save her.
UNKNOWN (17:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
But if you think about real, real life, Karishma
fought to be in the movies,remember?
She was not allowed to be partof the film industry.
So in that way, you can say,okay, she was a strong female
actor.
personally, because she foughther way to be in the movies,
even though she was playing adamsel in distress in the
movies.
Even Karina, we talked about howtheir family didn't let women,
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the women in their familyusually didn't act, even if they
were actresses once they gotmarried, they didn't go back to
acting.
They just were at home,homemakers.
And nothing's wrong with beinghomemakers.
Just to be very clear, nothing'swrong with that.
But that's what it was alwaysportrayed and never portrayed
anything different for women.
And even if they were portrayedas homemakers, it was like more
of like a one dimensional andthat's all they did.
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They didn't do more than that.
And homemakers are not always indistress, right?
They're not crying for help.
They're equally strong andindependent at home, if you
really want to portray it thatway.
We have English Vinglish.
Do you remember?
That's where Sri Devi is ahomemaker, but such an
independent character.
Kavi, I know this is a veryfavorite movie of yours, Queen,
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and I know you have thoughts onit, but that's also, Gangana
wasn't a very glamorouscorporate girly to show a mod
Yeah, so that's where theevolution like changed, right?
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Like originally, we saw themjust, you know, having smaller
roles, not characterdevelopment.
And then we saw a change intothis section of like patriarchy
where like the women are writtenin such a way that it was still
men saving women or like sometype of romance coded because
they're like the romance part ofthe guy not having really
independence or their dad istelling them what to do.
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So they must sacrificeeverything for family and they
must get married and things likethat.
Like if you think about, likeeven if you think about, if you
guys remember we talked about itwith the music last week, but
like if you think about, Whatdoes she end up doing?
Even though she loves someoneelse, she's sacrificing her love
for family, even though shedoesn't want to be with him,
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right?
You're so right.
Again, going back to thesacrifice, ultimate sacrifice.
Even though I was shown as achirpy girl studying, I have my
own, I'm like, you know,happy-go-lucky, but at the end
of the day, I am thatsacrificial lamb that's giving
away because I'm the woman.
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Yep, exactly, exactly.
See, like, exactly like that.
Or, like, in other movies where,like, other ones, it was funny
because I remember the specificmovie, um, If you remember the
movie, I don't know if you guyshave seen that movie.
It's a movie.
Yes.
Sometimes you would see a womanget assaulted in a movie.
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And what would the, what isthere?
Like, what do they do to resolvethat assault?
It's more like, Oh, why don'tyou just marry this person?
Oh my God.
Yes.
Get married with your rapistbecause you may get pregnant.
And what is culture and societygoing to say that?
Yes, that storyline isdefinitely backdated and you
definitely saw a lot more of itback in the day as far as female
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characters go.
But I'm glad we're seeing anevolution of that.
And I think it may go back toonce Bollywood started opening
up more globally and gettingmore of the global audience from
2000s onward.
I think they needed to take aback seat from some of those
traditional story plots.
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Yeah, and I think I think Iagree.
I think the female part changedwhen it became that global, like
it started, like Bollywoodbecame out there in the global
international world a little bitmore.
Yeah, so I think in the 90s, itwas more about, like, the
obedient or, like, the sanskariwomen that they talk about.
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And then, like, if they were notthat, then they were too modern
and they're too Western andthey're not, like, marriage
material.
And then they have to, like,very fast, very fast.
And then they change, like,change their clothes and become,
like, dissy and sanskari andthings like that, right?
And then, like, the 2000s comesin and then we see a little bit
more movies coming in where,like, everybody was naked.
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Wait, what?
What movie are you thinking of?
I think, I mean, this, I don't,I'm pretty sure this is a 2000s
movie, probably not early 2000s,but Cocktail, where she's just
wearing like, they're allwearing just like nothing.
2010s on.
Yeah, 2010s on.
But early 2000s, with the likebaby steps, right?
Like we talk about, people talkabout fashion, how it was like
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very female led, it was PriyankaChopra and Kangana Ranautkar in
it, right?
And then, I loved that movie.
Yeah, you did say you love it.
And then for me, a movie thatlike, which one?
Which movie?
Fashion.
2008.
Yeah.
Okay.
There was a movie.
You guys remember?
You should know this one.
Lajja.
There's a song from BuddyMushkil.
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Yes.
That movie was really goodbecause...
There's only, it was a lot offemales and different stories of
the females.
Like every female had its ownstory went from like, you know,
a marriage, a wedding where theywere asking for like dowry and
they're like, and what the, whatthe female did in that
situation.
Or like one who was likeMadhuri's character, I think
was, was a either like pregnant,like not married, but pregnant.
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And like what happened to her.
And it was a story betweenManisha Kaurala running away
from an abusive husband orsomething like that.
And each woman she met had somedifferent story of their life.
So that was a really good movie.
And how slowly into the early2000s, they slowly changed their
role a little bit more.
Giving them more dimension tothem as opposed to just being
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the heroine on the side andthings like that.
Well, the stories were more likefemale based versus like male
dishum dishum and all that kindof stuff.
It was more like stories, femalestories.
Yeah.
And honestly, Lecce is one ofthose movies, one of the first
movies I think of when I thinkof an all-female ensemble in
Bollywood, because I think therewere six or seven.
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Even Urmila was in it.
And I don't know if Tabu was init, but I remember watching it.
It was a really good movie.
But early 2000s, we also sawsome of those solo female-led
movies like Black Widow.
where Rani Mukherjee held herground.
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Let me just yawn again.
Hey, I'm not saying it'sexciting, but it was great to
watch a female.
I know, you said the acting wasreally good.
Yes, yes.
But then Devdas, for example, ofcourse, Shah Rukh Khan had that
main role, but Aishwarya andMadhuri also held their own and
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had equal spotlight.
And then there's Preeti ZintaAnd again, I know we all have
feelings of how that moviereally is, but she really led
the movie.
I don't necessarily think ofSaif Ali Khan, for example, to
be the star of the movie.
I think of It's Nana's storybecause it was a very strong
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character.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't like thatmovie.
That's what she said.
As I said, I know some of usfeel.
She means us.
And that's a Shah Rukh Khanmovie.
And I was like, this is dumb.
I mean, it's not dumb, but it'snot.
It's not kuch kuch otay and kabikushi kabi gum for me.
But is this when do you thinkthat the industry started
listening to women to give themmore better roles?
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Do you think that was happening?
Or do you think it was morelike, oh, globally, we have to
change our vision of how we havewomen?
I have thoughts on that.
I think it's not just...
I think it's more...
Not the Bollywood, the heroines,like the people that we see on
screen.
I think there were a lot morefemales behind the scenes, like
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in terms of cinematographers,choreographers, directors,
assistant directors.
I think there's a lot morefemales that influence the
storytelling.
That's what I think.
And that kind of helped bring inmore female oriented characters
on the scene.
That's a good point.
That's really good point.
I also do think that it's theglobal interest that grew once
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we hit the international marketthat had the emphasis.
Because again, I keep seeingthis almost all episodes.
Money talks.
And if the producers are seeingthat more global countries like
a more independent storyline,female-led storyline, and have
more female-led movies, theywill make that shift.
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But I don't think it necessarilyBut I think that that shift,
global shift is happening now,not ever.
in the early 2000s.
Like now you're seeing Netflixcome in buying rights for
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certain movies or Amazon comingin buying rights for certain
movies.
And they're doing it basicallybased on popularity and of
course storyline as well, butmainly because of popularity.
But I don't think that shiftedthe storyline's 20 years ago,
like in the early 2000s, 2010s.
I think now that's happening forglobal, globally.
I think they slowly startedmoving that way, right?
(27:10):
Like even if you talk about likethe early 2010, like 2012, you
talked about cocktail, right?
You just talked about cocktailearlier.
We're talking about that.
But if you remember the movieCocktail, right?
Deepika's character was supposedto be like this modern girl
living on her own, like livingwith her boyfriend.
And, you know, it's so cool.
And like she's out partying,drinking.
That's her life.
That makes her like really cool.
And then she like lets this likequiet girl come live with her.
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And then her boyfriend at thetime, live-in boyfriend that
she's living with, ends upfalling in love with the quiet,
since Scotty girl, because she'smore of that type of
personality, as opposed to thefree-minded, the free-spirited,
the Western or the modern typeof girl.
So they still kind of went backto it.
They would show the charactersbeing these strong females, but
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in the end, they were like, oh,well, I still want this one that
I think is more of a marriagematerial, kind of like that.
For sure.
Now that I think about Cocktail,I am more 100% angrier, so much
angrier at Saif Ali Khan's role.
It's a guy's fault.
Deepika and Diana Penty'scharacters, they were balanced.
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One is the modern, independent,and like you said, the other is
traditional.
But it was really Saif Ali Khanthat broke down the archaic
background backdated feeling of,oh, let me have all the fun with
the modern hype hot girl, butthen family would love it if I
settled down with thetraditional bohu.
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So it gave me more anger now atCephalicon's character than
initially when I watched it in2010, I'd say.
I thought of it just as anotherregular rom-com that ended how
it's supposed to, but goingback, you know, 10 years, 15
years later, it makes me angriernow.
to like know what do you thinkabout like what the story
(28:59):
actually was right like youthink about like yeah what they
made it seem like and what theywere portraying for that to be
yeah so like i think theystarted so they slowly started
with that right and then likenow we go back into where we are
right now where we like later onlike the movie is like a piku
piku was piku was like a femaleright it was a female i mean
granted i mean that button wason it like everyone goes to
(29:20):
watch his movies but like shedid such a good job in no kevi I
don't go to watch Amitabhmovies.
I'm sorry, it's not, it's notgay.
No, but he does hold a certaingrandeur, for sure, and does get
a certain type of people whoare, like, always fans and will
watch it.
But it is the Because movie, andit is Irfan Khan's movie, I'd
say.
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Yeah, yeah, and those are moviesthat we know.
And even, like, we talk aboutRazi, right?
That's Alia Bhatt's, like, maybefourth or fifth movie.
And she did such a good jobportraying Razi.
Even Highway.
Even Highway.
Highway, she was so good.
She was like number...
I think that was her secondmovie or third movie, right?
Something like that.
She was like a baby.
She was a baby.
And it was such a good movie.
And it was a female-led movie.
So even...
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I mean, I think there's stillprogress to happen, right?
We still have to have a lot moreprogress going through because
we talk about...
all of the themes, like youtalked about Gavi, that there's
more women in the industry, likethe backend, like helping behind
the scenes, the writers andthings like that.
And one of the writers that weknow that, or like one of the
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directors that we know are, oneof the top directors we know is
like Farah Khan, right?
Like one of the ones that wetalked about in the backend that
Farah Khan is one of the onesthat has come out And not only
Farah Khan, like, I mean, someof our favorite movies or
serials is Zoya Akhtar and RimaKangti, right?
Like, Made in Heaven.
So good.
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And female written, femaledirected, female produced.
And it's the stories we want tosee.
And it's female-led, too,because you talk about that
character.
Female-led.
She's an amazing character thatwe all love and love to watch.
Mira Nair is another greatfemale director.
Also very good.
What was she doing?
Mountain Wedding.
And I think 1947 Earth andAnother Water also with Jot.
(31:06):
Water.
Yeah.
And then those were like early,early on.
Early movies.
And then now we have likeGangubai type of movies, right?
And that movie was just fullfemale.
It was just a female led movie.
But I think that also is likeSanjay Leela Bansali, right?
He always has strong characters,strong female characters.
Hira Mundi, like, like you guystalked about earlier, Dave Das,
(31:27):
like with Madhuri and Aishwarya,all his females are such strong
characters.
All his females were very, verystrong.
But in this particular, therewas, there was no, there was no
real love story.
If you really think about it,there was a small little thing
between him, five minutes.
But even then he didn't castlike a big, big, actor right all
of his movies have huge maleleads as well it's not just a
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huge female yeah this particularmovie was just the female lead
and i think people were like ohhow is it going to really do
because usually in the theatersa female-led movie doesn't do
that well like it is okay but tobe like that good like people
didn't know what to expect fromit and actually was very well
done i don't think i'd everwatch it again because it's very
(32:10):
very it really gets to you butlike It was, when I watched it,
it was so good.
It was such a well done movie.
I know we mentioned No One KillsJessica, but Vidya Balan also
did Kahani and The DirtyPicture.
And those were great movies.
And then I love Alia Bhatt inmany ways, but just wanted to
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emphasize that she really is oneof these early actresses that
took bold choices in female-ledscripts.
We mentioned Highway and Razzyand Gangupai, but she...
did that from a very young age,from the very start.
That's true.
But I feel like that's becauseother women have fought for her
to get to those roles, right?
(32:53):
Like Vidya Balan, like you justsaid, like you said Vidya Balan,
like she doesn't do any moremovies where she's like a side
character, kind of like hermovies are always like about,
like there's another moviecalled Tumari Sallu.
I don't think I've actually,right?
She's like a, it's cute, right?
It's a cute movie about like amarried woman who wants to
become a radio personnel.
Is that what it is?
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She becomes like a phone sexoperator at the end of the day.
Okay, sorry.
I didn't realize that's what itwas.
I thought she was just a radiojockey.
But it was good.
It was like she led the film.
It wasn't raunchy or anything.
It was really nice.
I know she's quirky, hispersonality in real life.
We don't think she's quirky.
We think she's crazy.
Hey, I'm trying to use nicewords here.
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But her movie, Stanuwet's ManuQueen...
Even her latest movie,Emergency, she's playing Indira
Gandhi.
I haven't seen it, but it's onNetflix.
I want to see it, but I haven'tseen it yet.
As you're mentioning, otheractresses like Tapasi Pannu
also.
So amazing.
She bothers me, but she doesgood movies.
(33:57):
Her personality as a personmight not be the greatest, but
as an actress, she does goodmovies.
Tapar is one of the movies thatshe did really well on that.
Yes, amazing in movies.
So there's Pink and Badla.
They're very nice as well.
Yeah, Pink was really, reallygood.
Really, really good.
But I know there's Shefali Shah,Sobita Dhulipala, Radhika Apte.
(34:21):
They've started some really bigticket OTT series.
And we mentioned those too.
But I'm excited to see howfemale characters lead in the
non-movie platforms as well.
No, I agree.
I agree that we talked about theseries that they are coming out
and a lot more of those.
And I think, again, it goes backto, I feel like it goes back to
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who are writing thesecharacters, right?
Are we seeing men writing womencharacters?
Are we seeing women writingwomen characters?
And I think that's where thedifference comes in for us.
And I think that's where itgives us more powerful
characters.
And this is probably why we likethe OTTs a little bit more
because there are a lot morewomen writers in OTTs as opposed
to like the big blockbustermovies where it's not women
(35:02):
writers.
We're still having male writersright women and like oh protect
me oh save me oh you know I haveto be a certain way so men can
marry me like those type ofstories like we don't want to
see those type of things anymoreright like we don't we don't
want that we want like badassheroines like in like Mardani
like the Rani Mukherjee'scharacter in that one or like
even emotionally flawed like inPiku she was like you know kind
(35:24):
of annoyed by her dad here andthere because of like how her
life is because of how hisbehavior is things like that so
I mean it's it's interesting tosee where this is all going to
lead in the future.
And I hope it's better.
And I hope it's like morecharacter development on women
and like more women in thebackground writing these stories
(35:48):
for us.
I don't know.
Actually, maybe you won't guessthis.
Let's see.
You might guess one piece of it.
This aging superstar has beenhaving a bad phase in his
career.
He has gone from being thenumber one challenger to the
throne to being replaced inmovies.
Is it the same person?
No, it's not who you think itis, Wendy.
As per a source, a youngheartthrob has replaced the
(36:11):
aging superstar in at leastthree projects.
Filmmakers feel he's younger,acts just as well in comedy
movies, and comes at the thirdof the cost.
To add to it, the youngheartthrob is having a great run
at the box office.
Can you guess the seller?
Akshay Kumar.
So young.
Yes! I think at first youthought it was Salman Khan.
(36:32):
And go ahead, Rich, you're...
Your young heartthrob, yes.
Replaced by Karthik, yeah.
I just don't understand why hehas that nickname in all the
blinds.
It's just not true.
He's so gross.
Who thinks he's a heartthrob?
You know what's so funny?
The very first comment is, canwe stop calling Karthik Aryan a
(36:52):
young heartthrob?
He's not a heartthrob in anysense of the word.
He's not a heartthrob.
I left that comment.
Yeah, your name is Michelle.
Okay.
Actually, your nickname isMisha, right?
Because it's Michelle Misha.
No, I agree that he's not aheartthrob.
And he's not young.
He's in his 30s.
(37:13):
Like, young to me, youngheartthrob is the new guys
coming in.
You know, like Iggy.
Even Ishan Kattar, even thoughhe's been here for a while.
Like, those people are youngheartthrobs.
Not stupid Karthik Aryan.
Well, that was a blind.
Good guessings on all theheartthrobs and aging
superstars.
Is that the only one we gottoday?
Yeah, the other one's kind ofdumb.
(37:33):
I was honestly thinking all theold actors.
There's Amar Khan, Salman Khan,and Shah Rukh Khan is not
replaceable for sure.
I thought Muni was going to saySalman.
No, when you said replaced, Idon't think Salman, Shah Rukh,
and Amar get replaced in movies.
Akshay Kumar does just so manymovies that I feel like he would
be replaceable.
You know what I mean?
(37:54):
The other movies, other people,not really replaceable because
he doesn't have time for thatmovie.
So they need to find somebodyelse with freer dates.
Is that what it is?
I thought they replaced himthat's what it yeah replaced but
probably because akshay kumardidn't have dates because he's
doing 10 000 other movies that'swhat i think that's exactly and
then and then like karthikaryan's like taking all of like
akshay kumar style movies likecome on you are not akshay kumar
(38:15):
from that like well belaya 7 25good to know he only gets paid
one third of akshay so oh heshouldn't get paid at all it's
still a lot it's a lot yeahAlright guys, it's time for the
vows.
Are we ready?
I think so.
Alright, I'm going to start.
My vow is a song called TereBina Na Guzara.
(38:39):
It's by Josh Brar and KinzaHashmi.
It's a Punjabi song and it'sjust really, it's kind of old
school Bollywood-ish almost, butit's really cute.
Like it sounds cute to me.
I don't know what they're sayingit's in Punjabi, but it just
sounds really, really, reallycute.
What is it called again?
Tere Bina Na Guzara.
Without you...
I can't live.
(38:59):
I can't, like...
B.
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
(39:31):
All right.
All right,
SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
Ridge, hit it to give us your vow.
All right.
My vow is the song.
All right.
from the movie Ramayya
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
Vastavaya.
SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
Now, I haven't watched that movie.
It kind of looks very silly.
And the actor looks, like, veryweird and chirpy.
I don't know.
But the song is by Atif Aslamand Shreya Ghoshal.
And a beautiful melody.
I saw that movie.
And it's, like, a copy of themovie with Salman Khan and
Kajal.
(40:56):
Where he sings, oh, I forgot themovie's name.
It's a much copy of that.
But, like, it was really bad.
It was so bad.
The actor was really bad.
All right, Muni, what's yoursong?
Okay, my song is this songcalled Nasha from the movie Raid
2 because we already saw Raid 1,right?
So there's Raid 2.
(41:17):
This is Aj Ki Raat Part 2.
This is Aj Ki Raat 2 becauseit's Tamanna Jailer, Jailer Nu
Kavalaya.
It's like, she looks the same inall three of these songs.
She looks exactly the same.
She dances the same in all threeof the songs.
All of her outfits are the same.
Her hairstyle is the same.
It's out and she's doing thesame.
Same type of thing.
(41:38):
Sorry, when we say she, we'retalking about Tamanna Bhatia.
Yeah, Tamanna Bhatia.
That's who we mean.
And the song is by JasmineSandals and Sachit Tandon.
And I don't know.
The beats are really good.
I don't know how much I loveJasmine Sandalis.
Her voice is so good.
Sandalis.
Yeah, she has a really coolvoice.
So that is my vow for the week.
Very good.
(41:59):
Good episode, guys.
Thank you.
And if you guys like ourepisodes or don't like it, leave
us messages.
Give us feedback.
Give us something.
If you want to hear about adifferent episode, different
topic, let us know.
You love us?
Love us?
Hate us?
Just tell us.
If you hate us, don't tell us.
I want to know.
I want to know who the hatersare so I can hate you back.
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I don't.
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Okay.
Bye.
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