June 11, 2024 • 26 mins
Struggle and uncertainty are all too familiar companions in our lives, yet imagine a tool that could reshape the very fabric of our emotional well-being. That's the discussion I have with Dr. Andre McDonald, a skilled hypnotist who shares his profound insights into the world of hypnotherapy. Together, we tackle the stigmas and reveal the transformative potential of this practice, offering hope for those seeking to conquer addictions, soothe anxiety, release the grip of past trauma, and more.
The healing power of hypnotherapy doesn't just stop at breaking the chains of our personal vices; it extends its reach to mend the wounds of emotional trauma. As I recount a personal story of loss, Andre walks us through the delicate process of hypnotherapy - from the initial consultation all the way to mastering the art of reframing life through the power of imagination. We scrutinize the practicalities of selecting the right hypnotherapist, the dynamics of virtual versus in-person sessions, and underscore the importance of professional medical advice when considering new wellness paths.
If you're yearning for a new lens through which to view your challenges or simply curious about the untapped capabilities of your mind, this episode is your gateway to understanding how hypnotherapy can become a pivotal ally in your journey toward a more fulfilled existence.
Note: This episode's featured song is "Fearless" by City of Bright, with written permission obtained from the artist's management. Additional music includes samples of "Better Days Are Coming" and "Our Time" by Bex, with rights secured through a licensing agreement with PremiumBeat.com.
Host Tim Maceyko is an author, coach, and motivational speaker. His publications include "When the Cardinal Calls," "Child Loss 101," and "Seth's Snuggle Time Game," all available for purchase on Amazon. For book signings, speaking events, or media interviews, he can be reached at TimMaceyko@gmail.com.
Disclaimer: The Faith Beyond with Tim Maceyko Podcast is intended purely for informational, educational, inspirational, or entertainment purposes. The views expressed by guests are their own and may not reflect those of Faith Beyond. Listeners should independently verify any presented information and draw their own conclusions. Episodes discussing fitness and health are intended to examine various ideas that might offer health advantages. Faith Beyond with Tim Maceyko neither endorses any specific viewpoint nor advocates for any particular fitness or health regimen. It is recommended that individuals seek advice from their healthcare providers before initiating any new fitness or health plan. Comments made by host Tim Maceyko are presented to the listeners from a coaching standpoint, as he is not a licensed counselor or physician. The host's remarks are intended for inspirational and motivational purposes only.
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Faith Beyond Intro (00:03):
Beyond the pain, beyond the adversity,
beyond this life.
It's Faith Beyond.
Author, coach, and Faith Beyondfounder, Tim Maceyko explores
grief, loss, overcomingadversity, and so much more.
The Faith Beyond podcast startsnow.
Tim Maceyko (00:26):
Welcome to Faith Beyond, I'm really pumped this
week to have a hypnotist with us, otherwise known as
hypnotherapy.
So, hypnotherapy is really whatwe're going to talk about.
When you think of a hypnotist,you may think of what you see at
your local county fair, but itruns much deeper than that, and
Andre McDonald is here this weekto share with us the value of
(00:49):
hypnosis and how hypnotherapycan benefit you and help you
overcome anxiety, weight loss,overcome childhood trauma, fears
and phobias, and more.
It's all part of our health andwellness series, and so we're
going to kick that off in just amoment.
(01:10):
I like to share differentinspirational quotes and verses
and different things, and thisweek I'm pulling out the Bible.
I want to talk about 1st James,chapters two to four, because
this fits the faith beyondconcept so well.
I just had to share it with you.
So, it says this - consider itpure joy, my brothers and
sisters, whenever you facetrials of many kinds, because
(01:34):
you know that the testing ofyour faith produces perseverance
.
Let perseverance finish itswork so that you may be mature
and complete, not lackinganything.
Man, I like that.
Think about that.
Let it do its thing, let thedifficulties come, let the
(01:57):
storms overtake you once in awhile, if they need to.
It's all about a lesson on howto be more mature, how to
complete your lifestyle, yourlife existence, I guess, is a
better term there.
You know, it's about overcomingthe challenges and rising up
stronger than you were before.
That's what it's all about, andso I love that right there.
(02:21):
Consider it pure joy, and letperseverance finish its work so
that you may be mature andcomplete.
Gotta like that, gotta likethat.
And what I'm really liking isthe fact that Andre McDonald is
up next.
Bex (Music Drop) (02:40):
On the way I know it.
Come what may, I'm ready to gothrough it, cause nothing can
stay the same.
Yeah, everything has to change,so better days are on the way
for us.
Tim Maceyko (02:58):
Andre, I'm really just ready to rock and roll.
Let's get into this thing ofhypnotherapy and hypnosis.
Andre McDonald (03:07):
Well, I had a life experience that kind of
changed my perspective of howour minds work and how we
actually perceive the worldaround us, and also how much
potential we have underneath thesurface that we're all given is
just underneath a bunch ofstuff that we never even wanted
(03:30):
or knew that we were hanging onto, and I noticed that a lot of
us are carrying all that baggage, that junk that we're walking
around with day to day, and so,for one, I wanted to help people
with that.
And so, for one, I wanted tohelp people with that.
And for two, well, one thingthat had happened for me is that
I experienced hypnosis formyself for quitting smoking.
(03:51):
My mentor had said this is whenI was already studying hypnosis
.
I was helping people quitsmoking and other things, and I
was secretly smoking myself andI thought, terrible, it's like
really hard to quit smoking,cold turkey.
And I didn't know how tohypnotize myself at the time.
So he said come on in theoffice and we'll work on this.
(04:13):
So I went there, I sat down inthe chair, I listened to him.
I thought, oh yeah, I know thattechnique.
Oh yeah, I know that one.
You know, I even got up andwent to the bathroom and came
back and everything and Ithought I was going to end up
lighting acigarette when I stepped out of
his office.
You know we talked and I left.
I thought I was going to lightup when I was going to get in my
(04:33):
Jeep.
It turns out it was like ablank page.
It's like this is where Inormally smoke, but I have a
choice now, like it's easier tochoose.
So there's just this part ofour minds it's it's more free
will, it's more choice, and themore we can get in touch with
that, the better off.
We can choose which way we wantto go with our lives.
Tim Maceyko (04:56):
When I go out and give my speeches, I talk about
this concept of emotionalbaggage.
So we go through a traumaticevent and a lot of people get
stuck there, whether theyrealize it or not, because of
whether it's the fear or theguilt or the anger or whatever
that emotion might be.
Uh, one of the studies I'vefound is that's what really
(05:18):
typically holds people into thatspot there and they can't move
forward because they just can'tget off of that emotional
baggage piece.
So so is that kind of whatwe're talking about here?
Andre McDonald (05:27):
Oh yeah, definitely it's emotional
baggage.
It's uh, you know, and Ibelieve that that's the main
part of it Emotional it's.
It's, um, beliefs also, thoseboth go hand in hand.
It's like I feel this waybecause I believe this way, or I
believe this way.
Therefore I feel this way, andthen I'm sure you're familiar
(05:48):
with how we store this in ourbodies also.
So that's another confirmation.
I feel this pain.
Therefore, this is true.
So with hypnosis, what you'reable to do is well, what I do
first is a consultation is well,what I do first is a
consultation figure out whatsomeone's beliefs and values are
and what they'd rather it be,what they're aiming for and what
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they're willing to let go of.
So the beliefs, the values andwhere someone wants to go with
their life is what plays in withhypnosis.
Also a bit of imagination.
You know, we're all given thisfaculty to you.
Know what?
If I said, whatever you do, tim, don't think about a green
(06:31):
apple, just don't think about it.
You have to think about anapple to not think about it.
So there's that part there also, and there's so much that ties
into this.
I want to make sure I stay ontopic and on time here no, it's
just funny.
Tim Maceyko (06:49):
You said that because you don't think of green
apple, and immediately greenapple popped in my mind like
instantly.
So it's kind of kind of funnyso.
So when, when people think of ahypnotist, they probably think
of going to the county fair andthe guy on stage put people to
sleep, make them do funny, crazythings yeah, the chicken stuff,
(07:10):
all that stuff.
But it can go much deeper thanthat, right?
I mean, there's a lot more toit and how it can be beneficial.
Andre McDonald (07:17):
So yeah, the main thing people think about is
the stage shows or like acomedy show or something.
Now hypnotherapy is actuallyusing that, applying that, to
help people with some kind oftherapy.
That's the nutshell of things.
Tim Maceyko (07:31):
You know, the thing is that the people that listen
to this podcast mostly noteverybody obviously different
people listen at times but Ithink they come to the Faith
Beyond because they're searchingfor something more.
Maybe they've gone through atraumatic event or extreme
adversity of some type, andwhether it's a lack of religious
faith or it's a lack of faithin themselves or the world
(07:53):
around them, you know, there'sjust so many things that come
into play when we go through areal traumatic event.
It can change everything aboutwho we were, or at least we
perceive it to change everythingabout who we were.
And then we we perceive it tochange everything about who we
were.
And then we kind of have tokind of reevaluate and find
ourselves again, like go on anew path, a new journey at times
.
And so if I'm struggling and Icame to Andre and I said I
(08:17):
really need help and I wentthrough this traumatic event, so
, like in my case, I wentthrough child loss, lost my
five-year-old son, and so if Icome to you and I say you know
I'm really struggling with thisand I can't seem to get over,
you know, out of this rut, ifyou will, what would this look
(08:38):
like for hypnotherapy.
How would that possibly help meand where I'm at?
Andre McDonald (08:42):
Yeah, well, first of all, big hearts to you,
man, open hearts, and you havea powerful message here and an
amazing journey ahead of you,and I'm really really grateful
and honored that you have mehere on the show today.
So let me get into the question.
(09:14):
What would it look like?
Well, we will talk about it alittle bit.
We don't even have to get intothe details too much, actually,
because I believe that thedeeper mind already knows all
that stuff, which is well.
First we would set up safetylike a you know, really build
some kind of safety feeling withthat person, and then we
trigger that in.
Like it could be as simple asyou know it touch right here and
(09:34):
it programs and you'll feelthat safety automatically.
So whenever they feel that thatsafety floods through the body
whether it's dopamine, whetherit's serotonin, whatever it is,
I don't have to go into all ofthat when they built that safety
construct, then we can triggerit to come back when we need it
to, because, as you mentioned,it is a traumatic situation.
(09:56):
I don't want that to just popout and be out of control for
anybody.
So we take it very safely.
So the regression is actuallygoing back to that time.
But what I personally do I haveit like a movie screen, like a
theater.
You're not actually there, butyou're watching the whole
everything go through.
And then if anything comes upthat I can notice on someone's
(10:19):
face, where they're likegrimacing, or if it's too much,
then we touch right there onthat safety spot.
So it's pretty muchdesensitization.
It's bringing all that that'sright here to be a little
further back, a little furtherback so that this person can
actually process it.
Otherwise they're stuck in thatmoment and it's just bam, right
(10:39):
there it's just too much.
So it's kind of like you shookup a soda bottle and you just
kind of the cappy and just kindof decompress it, just kind of
let the pressure out slowly soit's manageable.
And then from there we work onkind of reframing things,
whether it's saying yes, thisdid happen, you can keep the
(11:02):
memory, but you can change howyou feel about it now.
You know that it's something inthe past, you know that it's
something that you can grow from, it's something you can expand
your love even more with, and ifthe mind accepts that kind of
thing, then open your eyes andfeel refreshed and start a brand
new day.
That's pretty much what I do abrand new day.
Tim Maceyko (11:27):
That's pretty much what I do.
It's.
It's interesting because I knowfrom the studies I've done that
the body, like after atraumatic event happens, the
body automatically wants toprotect itself and so a lot of
times I think, as the averageperson, myself included we don't
understand what that body'sdoing.
Like you don't understand, youjust react I'm this, I'm that,
I'm depressed, but you don'tunderstand why.
(11:48):
You understand what caused it.
You understand the trauma youwent through.
Everybody understands that.
But I meant as far as thephysiological physiology of it
all and the biology and allthose different things and the
emotional piece.
I don't think the averageperson has any concept of what's
going on at that level.
Andre McDonald (12:07):
Yeah, it's a deep levels the iceberg, yeah,
and it sounds like.
Tim Maceyko (12:09):
That's what you're doing.
You're digging into some ofthose things that the average
person doesn't understand at allthat automatic stuff.
Andre McDonald (12:16):
Yeah, it just happens.
And I do like the method I gowith.
It's kind of a kind of I kindof step into it a little
carefully.
I don't just dive straight inor anything like that, and I
don't have to ask someone howthey're feeling and this and
that or exactly what's going on,or pinpoint something.
If they don't want to, actually, someone can hold in whatever
(12:39):
they want.
Even better when in hypnosis,then I don't recommend it.
Tim Maceyko (12:43):
I mean.
Andre McDonald (12:44):
I try to motivate people to let it all
out, because hanging onto itdoesn't really help, or what I
can do is help someone transmuteit, like today.
Earlier someone had somephysical pains.
I'm thinking it was emotionalpains.
I had them breathe in and havelike the air magnetic and stick
(13:05):
to that pain point and then,when they're ready to breathe
out, switch the polarity becausethe mind already knows what the
opposite of pain is it'spleasure.
So switch the polarity and thenthey're breathing out, also
sort of changing that pain to aneutral point.
So yeah, helping the body tolet go of all those things that
are just hinged up in there, itreally helps too I love that.
Tim Maceyko (13:29):
I love that.
Change the polarity.
I like that phrase change thepolarity.
I love that.
That's, that's great.
All right, a lot of good stuffthat we're talking about here
with Andre McDonald, and he isjust an amazing person.
We're going to talk more aboutthis concept of hypnosis after
we play our song of the week.
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You're listening to FaithBeyond with me, tim Maseko Seiko
.
Music (13:55):
I have no reason to be afraid.
But it can be such a fight, abattle in the mind.
(14:29):
But you've given me all I needTo be fearless, bold as a lion,
knowing that you love me,fearless courage in my veins now
, peace that surrounds me,fearless words you have spoken
(14:54):
deep within my mind now.
Fearless.
Oh, I am fearless because youlove me.
We are now at Upper SessionRoad Cause you're strong.
(15:16):
You're with me here in thefight.
Your power lives inside me.
You've given me all that I need.
You make me fearless.
Born as a lion.
Knowing that you love me.
(15:37):
Fearless Courage in my veinsnow, Peace that surrounds me.
Fearless Words You've spokenWithin my mind now Fearless.
Oh, I am fearless Because youlove me.
(16:14):
Like David, giants slaying LikeMoses, sea splitting like Joshua
.
The walls are tumbling likeEsther Fearless.
Bold as a lion, knowing that youlove me.
Fearless Courage in my veinsnow, peace that surrounds me.
(16:38):
Fearless Words you've spokendeep within my mind now.
Fearless, oh, I am fearless.
Because you love me, Bold as alion, I'm gonna let you love me.
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Fearless Courage in my veins,the peace that surrounds me.
Fearless Words you've spokendeep within my mind now.
Fearless, oh, I am fearless.
Tim Maceyko (17:18):
Because you love me .
There is City of Bright andtheir smash hit from a few years
ago, fearless.
I want to thank City of Brightfor giving me permission to play
that song here on the show.
I do truly appreciate that andI'm still looking to get that
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group on a future episode totalk about their faith and how
this trio of siblings formedCity of Bright and where they
are now in their lives as theycontinue to grow.
But for now, let's get back tothe show and more about hypnosis
(17:59):
with my guest, andre McDonald.
You know if the average personis listening to the show today
and they are thinking, I thinkhypnotherapy could potentially
be helpful to me.
Like, what is the process tofind someone?
Number one how do you knowsomeone's qualified?
And number two where do youbegin to look?
I mean, I don't even know wherethat would begin.
(18:19):
And then even like for yourself, like, how do you market your
services?
Andre McDonald (18:24):
I'll be honest with you.
I didn't know the marketingpart when I first started this
nine years ago.
I'm still kind of working onthat.
Times change all the time.
I am on facebook, I am ontiktok, I'm on YouTube.
People are finding me onlinerealhypnosispro that's my
digital business card.
But the way to know ifsomeone's a good fit for a
(18:48):
particular person, for youviewers out there, listeners is
that you're going to feel thisresonance, whether that person
is taking you in their bestinterest, by listening to you.
Well, by, perhaps you know youknow they're listening by maybe,
if they're repeating whatyou're and why they got started
(19:09):
with hypnosis, all that, whattheir specialties are, you can
ask them straight up.
How confident are you that youcan help me with this situation?
(19:31):
I would recommend that, in fact.
Tim Maceyko (19:35):
If I think hypnotherapy is a good fit for
me, is this something I do once,or is it a six week type
program?
Like what would that look like?
How long would I needhypnotherapy to maybe overcome
this anxiety or trauma that Ihave?
Andre McDonald (19:49):
That is a really good question, and that one's
one I can't give astraightforward answer about,
unfortunately.
Sometimes it's one session,sometimes it's more sessions
really quitting smoking.
For me that it's been like onesession for two hours, but I go
up to six sessions.
If you're not getting anyresults at all after six
sessions, then it's just not foryou.
(20:11):
I'm not claiming that it's foreveryone.
You'll notice somethingnormally on the first session,
second session, somethingnormally on the first session,
second session.
Tim Maceyko (20:21):
I'm glad you said what you said because I think
when I present these differenttype of health and wellness type
alternatives to maybe justmainstream going to your doctor
like what else can you do toimprove your life I always talk
about how it's.
This may not be for youparticularly like we're trying
to open up people's options forwhether it's meditation or yoga
or taking a walk in nature, assimple as that.
Like we're exploring differentconcepts, and I think hypnosis
(20:45):
has a place in this discussionand certain people could
certainly benefit from it andbenefit dramatically, while
others it may not be quite aseffective as you want.
So for the listeners I want topoint that out that you know I'm
not endorsing do this, do thatbut I also try to bring you
things that I do think work andhave the potential to make your
(21:05):
life a little bit better whenyou're struggling, and so I
think hypnosis is one of thosetypes of things that people
should at least take a closerlook at.
Andre McDonald (21:13):
That's yeah, exactly.
Do the research.
You won't regret it.
I think that's the best placeto start.
Tim Maceyko (21:18):
When we talk about the faith aspect of it whether
you're a Christian and youbelieve in God, or you're a
Hindu or, you know, muslim, likewhatever it may be it always
seems to come down to the factthat there's this higher power,
something we believe in that'sbigger than us, and so for me
that's God, and for somebodyelse it may not be, maybe it be
something different, but what Ilove about whether it's hypnosis
(21:40):
or meditation or any of theseother things we talk about, it's
this connection that's biggerthan what maybe we even
understand, and I think that's areally cool thing, don't you
think?
Andre McDonald (21:50):
I think so too.
I think that's yeah, it'sbigger.
It's larger than life.
It really is, and it's nice toknow we're part of that.
Tim Maceyko (22:00):
Absolutely Well, andre, anything else you want to
share with us today?
I mean, I really appreciate youtaking some time just to kind
of explain the concept ofhypnosis to us.
And again, realhypnosispro isyour website and if people are
interested in talking to you, Iguess I should ask this question
first Can we do this virtually?
Is it effective virtually, oris this something that's better
(22:20):
in person?
I didn't ask that question, Imeant to oh, that is another
great question.
Andre McDonald (22:24):
Yeah, okay.
So virtual is amazing.
I started that pretty close to2019 or so and it's been great.
It's different, but it's not.
It's not better or worse than Ido work in person, also in
office.
I guess it's just a matter of Imean, introverts love being
online.
(22:45):
Just, you know, video also like.
If someone has a problem with,like, looking in the eyes or
something, then that's perfectlyfine.
On video you don't have to haveyour camera on or anything.
It's audio.
So it's me talking in my mostquiet, my most hypnotic voice.
You're just relaxing, there'smusic going.
But in person it has differentelements, such as I can tap
(23:09):
someone on the forehead or thearm or something you know
because the skin is veryprogrammable.
It's like a part of our, it's anervous system, it's part of
our brain.
So it's just different.
It's just a little differentwhether you're in person or
virtual, but it's good eitherway.
Thanks for asking.
Tim Maceyko (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, I meant to ask that earlier and I
totally slipped my mind.
I looked at my notes and I waslike, oh, I have one more
question for you.
Well, andre, anything else youwant to add then, before we wrap
things up today?
Andre McDonald (23:36):
Yeah, Maybe just always talk to your doctor or
healthcare provider beforetrying anything out, and I'll be
around also if you have anyquestions.
Concerns curiosities I lovecuriosities.
Realhypnosispro that's whereyou can save all my information.
It's not really my website,it's my business card, but it's
got everything there, the wholeenchilada.
So that's what I got on that.
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Keep your faith.
Tim Maceyko (24:00):
I appreciate it.
Andre, thanks for joining metoday and for all you listeners
out there.
Look into hypnotherapy, thinkabout it and see if it could
possibly help you, anddefinitely reach out to Andre if
that interests you further.
I think he'd be a greatresource.
And with that, that's going towrap up today's Faith Beyond
show.
Wow, what a great episode, andmaybe hypnotherapy is something
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that you can use in your life.
Be sure you reach out to AndreMcDonald and see if that's
something that benefits you, andif it doesn't, that's okay too.
I myself am thinking aboutgetting a hold of him and maybe
giving that a shot to see how itworks for some of the problems
that I have in my own life.
Until next time.
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This has been Tim Maceyko.
You've been listening to theFaith Beyond Podcast, and we'll
leave you with this message -You can overcome any adversity
in life.
Together, we can overcome, wecan achieve, we can go on and do
great things with the time wehave on this earth.
So go do it.
It's your time, it's my time,it's our time
Music (25:12):
It's our time, it's our time, and we'll live it loud.
We don't stop and we keep ondreaming.
Set the goals and we willachieve them.
It's our time.
It's our time, and we'll makeit count.
Oh, watch us close, cause wewill grow and become unstoppable
(25:38):
.
Become unstoppable.
We will grow and becomeunstoppable.
Become unstoppable.
Take our dreams and make themreal, because nothing is
impossible.
It's our time.
It's our time and we'll make itcount.
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It's our lives.
It's our lives and we'll liveit up.
We'll see you next time.
It's a time it will make itcount.
Beyond the pain, beyond the adversity,
beyond this life.
It's Faith Beyond.
Author, coach, and Faith Beyondfounder, Tim Maceyko explores
grief, loss, overcomingadversity, and so much more.
The Faith Beyond podcast startsnow.
Tim Maceyko (00:26):
Welcome to Faith Beyond, I'm really pumped this
week to have a hypnotist with us, otherwise known as
hypnotherapy.
So, hypnotherapy is really whatwe're going to talk about.
When you think of a hypnotist,you may think of what you see at
your local county fair, but itruns much deeper than that, and
Andre McDonald is here this weekto share with us the value of
(00:49):
hypnosis and how hypnotherapycan benefit you and help you
overcome anxiety, weight loss,overcome childhood trauma, fears
and phobias, and more.
It's all part of our health andwellness series, and so we're
going to kick that off in just amoment.
(01:10):
I like to share differentinspirational quotes and verses
and different things, and thisweek I'm pulling out the Bible.
I want to talk about 1st James,chapters two to four, because
this fits the faith beyondconcept so well.
I just had to share it with you.
So, it says this - consider itpure joy, my brothers and
sisters, whenever you facetrials of many kinds, because
(01:34):
you know that the testing ofyour faith produces perseverance
.
Let perseverance finish itswork so that you may be mature
and complete, not lackinganything.
Man, I like that.
Think about that.
Let it do its thing, let thedifficulties come, let the
(01:57):
storms overtake you once in awhile, if they need to.
It's all about a lesson on howto be more mature, how to
complete your lifestyle, yourlife existence, I guess, is a
better term there.
You know, it's about overcomingthe challenges and rising up
stronger than you were before.
That's what it's all about, andso I love that right there.
(02:21):
Consider it pure joy, and letperseverance finish its work so
that you may be mature andcomplete.
Gotta like that, gotta likethat.
And what I'm really liking isthe fact that Andre McDonald is
up next.
Bex (Music Drop) (02:40):
On the way I know it.
Come what may, I'm ready to gothrough it, cause nothing can
stay the same.
Yeah, everything has to change,so better days are on the way
for us.
Tim Maceyko (02:58):
Andre, I'm really just ready to rock and roll.
Let's get into this thing ofhypnotherapy and hypnosis.
Andre McDonald (03:07):
Well, I had a life experience that kind of
changed my perspective of howour minds work and how we
actually perceive the worldaround us, and also how much
potential we have underneath thesurface that we're all given is
just underneath a bunch ofstuff that we never even wanted
(03:30):
or knew that we were hanging onto, and I noticed that a lot of
us are carrying all that baggage, that junk that we're walking
around with day to day, and so,for one, I wanted to help people
with that.
And so, for one, I wanted tohelp people with that.
And for two, well, one thingthat had happened for me is that
I experienced hypnosis formyself for quitting smoking.
(03:51):
My mentor had said this is whenI was already studying hypnosis
.
I was helping people quitsmoking and other things, and I
was secretly smoking myself andI thought, terrible, it's like
really hard to quit smoking,cold turkey.
And I didn't know how tohypnotize myself at the time.
So he said come on in theoffice and we'll work on this.
(04:13):
So I went there, I sat down inthe chair, I listened to him.
I thought, oh yeah, I know thattechnique.
Oh yeah, I know that one.
You know, I even got up andwent to the bathroom and came
back and everything and Ithought I was going to end up
lighting acigarette when I stepped out of
his office.
You know we talked and I left.
I thought I was going to lightup when I was going to get in my
(04:33):
Jeep.
It turns out it was like ablank page.
It's like this is where Inormally smoke, but I have a
choice now, like it's easier tochoose.
So there's just this part ofour minds it's it's more free
will, it's more choice, and themore we can get in touch with
that, the better off.
We can choose which way we wantto go with our lives.
Tim Maceyko (04:56):
When I go out and give my speeches, I talk about
this concept of emotionalbaggage.
So we go through a traumaticevent and a lot of people get
stuck there, whether theyrealize it or not, because of
whether it's the fear or theguilt or the anger or whatever
that emotion might be.
Uh, one of the studies I'vefound is that's what really
(05:18):
typically holds people into thatspot there and they can't move
forward because they just can'tget off of that emotional
baggage piece.
So so is that kind of whatwe're talking about here?
Andre McDonald (05:27):
Oh yeah, definitely it's emotional
baggage.
It's uh, you know, and Ibelieve that that's the main
part of it Emotional it's.
It's, um, beliefs also, thoseboth go hand in hand.
It's like I feel this waybecause I believe this way, or I
believe this way.
Therefore I feel this way, andthen I'm sure you're familiar
(05:48):
with how we store this in ourbodies also.
So that's another confirmation.
I feel this pain.
Therefore, this is true.
So with hypnosis, what you'reable to do is well, what I do
first is a consultation is well,what I do first is a
consultation figure out whatsomeone's beliefs and values are
and what they'd rather it be,what they're aiming for and what
(06:09):
they're willing to let go of.
So the beliefs, the values andwhere someone wants to go with
their life is what plays in withhypnosis.
Also a bit of imagination.
You know, we're all given thisfaculty to you.
Know what?
If I said, whatever you do, tim, don't think about a green
(06:31):
apple, just don't think about it.
You have to think about anapple to not think about it.
So there's that part there also, and there's so much that ties
into this.
I want to make sure I stay ontopic and on time here no, it's
just funny.
Tim Maceyko (06:49):
You said that because you don't think of green
apple, and immediately greenapple popped in my mind like
instantly.
So it's kind of kind of funnyso.
So when, when people think of ahypnotist, they probably think
of going to the county fair andthe guy on stage put people to
sleep, make them do funny, crazythings yeah, the chicken stuff,
(07:10):
all that stuff.
But it can go much deeper thanthat, right?
I mean, there's a lot more toit and how it can be beneficial.
Andre McDonald (07:17):
So yeah, the main thing people think about is
the stage shows or like acomedy show or something.
Now hypnotherapy is actuallyusing that, applying that, to
help people with some kind oftherapy.
That's the nutshell of things.
Tim Maceyko (07:31):
You know, the thing is that the people that listen
to this podcast mostly noteverybody obviously different
people listen at times but Ithink they come to the Faith
Beyond because they're searchingfor something more.
Maybe they've gone through atraumatic event or extreme
adversity of some type, andwhether it's a lack of religious
faith or it's a lack of faithin themselves or the world
(07:53):
around them, you know, there'sjust so many things that come
into play when we go through areal traumatic event.
It can change everything aboutwho we were, or at least we
perceive it to change everythingabout who we were.
And then we we perceive it tochange everything about who we
were.
And then we kind of have tokind of reevaluate and find
ourselves again, like go on anew path, a new journey at times
.
And so if I'm struggling and Icame to Andre and I said I
(08:17):
really need help and I wentthrough this traumatic event, so
, like in my case, I wentthrough child loss, lost my
five-year-old son, and so if Icome to you and I say you know
I'm really struggling with thisand I can't seem to get over,
you know, out of this rut, ifyou will, what would this look
(08:38):
like for hypnotherapy.
How would that possibly help meand where I'm at?
Andre McDonald (08:42):
Yeah, well, first of all, big hearts to you,
man, open hearts, and you havea powerful message here and an
amazing journey ahead of you,and I'm really really grateful
and honored that you have mehere on the show today.
So let me get into the question.
(09:14):
What would it look like?
Well, we will talk about it alittle bit.
We don't even have to get intothe details too much, actually,
because I believe that thedeeper mind already knows all
that stuff, which is well.
First we would set up safetylike a you know, really build
some kind of safety feeling withthat person, and then we
trigger that in.
Like it could be as simple asyou know it touch right here and
(09:34):
it programs and you'll feelthat safety automatically.
So whenever they feel that thatsafety floods through the body
whether it's dopamine, whetherit's serotonin, whatever it is,
I don't have to go into all ofthat when they built that safety
construct, then we can triggerit to come back when we need it
to, because, as you mentioned,it is a traumatic situation.
(09:56):
I don't want that to just popout and be out of control for
anybody.
So we take it very safely.
So the regression is actuallygoing back to that time.
But what I personally do I haveit like a movie screen, like a
theater.
You're not actually there, butyou're watching the whole
everything go through.
And then if anything comes upthat I can notice on someone's
(10:19):
face, where they're likegrimacing, or if it's too much,
then we touch right there onthat safety spot.
So it's pretty muchdesensitization.
It's bringing all that that'sright here to be a little
further back, a little furtherback so that this person can
actually process it.
Otherwise they're stuck in thatmoment and it's just bam, right
(10:39):
there it's just too much.
So it's kind of like you shookup a soda bottle and you just
kind of the cappy and just kindof decompress it, just kind of
let the pressure out slowly soit's manageable.
And then from there we work onkind of reframing things,
whether it's saying yes, thisdid happen, you can keep the
(11:02):
memory, but you can change howyou feel about it now.
You know that it's something inthe past, you know that it's
something that you can grow from, it's something you can expand
your love even more with, and ifthe mind accepts that kind of
thing, then open your eyes andfeel refreshed and start a brand
new day.
That's pretty much what I do abrand new day.
Tim Maceyko (11:27):
That's pretty much what I do.
It's.
It's interesting because I knowfrom the studies I've done that
the body, like after atraumatic event happens, the
body automatically wants toprotect itself and so a lot of
times I think, as the averageperson, myself included we don't
understand what that body'sdoing.
Like you don't understand, youjust react I'm this, I'm that,
I'm depressed, but you don'tunderstand why.
(11:48):
You understand what caused it.
You understand the trauma youwent through.
Everybody understands that.
But I meant as far as thephysiological physiology of it
all and the biology and allthose different things and the
emotional piece.
I don't think the averageperson has any concept of what's
going on at that level.
Andre McDonald (12:07):
Yeah, it's a deep levels the iceberg, yeah,
and it sounds like.
Tim Maceyko (12:09):
That's what you're doing.
You're digging into some ofthose things that the average
person doesn't understand at allthat automatic stuff.
Andre McDonald (12:16):
Yeah, it just happens.
And I do like the method I gowith.
It's kind of a kind of I kindof step into it a little
carefully.
I don't just dive straight inor anything like that, and I
don't have to ask someone howthey're feeling and this and
that or exactly what's going on,or pinpoint something.
If they don't want to, actually, someone can hold in whatever
(12:39):
they want.
Even better when in hypnosis,then I don't recommend it.
Tim Maceyko (12:43):
I mean.
Andre McDonald (12:44):
I try to motivate people to let it all
out, because hanging onto itdoesn't really help, or what I
can do is help someone transmuteit, like today.
Earlier someone had somephysical pains.
I'm thinking it was emotionalpains.
I had them breathe in and havelike the air magnetic and stick
(13:05):
to that pain point and then,when they're ready to breathe
out, switch the polarity becausethe mind already knows what the
opposite of pain is it'spleasure.
So switch the polarity and thenthey're breathing out, also
sort of changing that pain to aneutral point.
So yeah, helping the body tolet go of all those things that
are just hinged up in there, itreally helps too I love that.
Tim Maceyko (13:29):
I love that.
Change the polarity.
I like that phrase change thepolarity.
I love that.
That's, that's great.
All right, a lot of good stuffthat we're talking about here
with Andre McDonald, and he isjust an amazing person.
We're going to talk more aboutthis concept of hypnosis after
we play our song of the week.
(13:50):
You're listening to FaithBeyond with me, tim Maseko Seiko
.
Music (13:55):
I have no reason to be afraid.
But it can be such a fight, abattle in the mind.
(14:29):
But you've given me all I needTo be fearless, bold as a lion,
knowing that you love me,fearless courage in my veins now
, peace that surrounds me,fearless words you have spoken
(14:54):
deep within my mind now.
Fearless.
Oh, I am fearless because youlove me.
We are now at Upper SessionRoad Cause you're strong.
(15:16):
You're with me here in thefight.
Your power lives inside me.
You've given me all that I need.
You make me fearless.
Born as a lion.
Knowing that you love me.
(15:37):
Fearless Courage in my veinsnow, Peace that surrounds me.
Fearless Words You've spokenWithin my mind now Fearless.
Oh, I am fearless Because youlove me.
(16:14):
Like David, giants slaying LikeMoses, sea splitting like Joshua
.
The walls are tumbling likeEsther Fearless.
Bold as a lion, knowing that youlove me.
Fearless Courage in my veinsnow, peace that surrounds me.
(16:38):
Fearless Words you've spokendeep within my mind now.
Fearless, oh, I am fearless.
Because you love me, Bold as alion, I'm gonna let you love me.
(16:59):
Fearless Courage in my veins,the peace that surrounds me.
Fearless Words you've spokendeep within my mind now.
Fearless, oh, I am fearless.
Tim Maceyko (17:18):
Because you love me .
There is City of Bright andtheir smash hit from a few years
ago, fearless.
I want to thank City of Brightfor giving me permission to play
that song here on the show.
I do truly appreciate that andI'm still looking to get that
(17:39):
group on a future episode totalk about their faith and how
this trio of siblings formedCity of Bright and where they
are now in their lives as theycontinue to grow.
But for now, let's get back tothe show and more about hypnosis
(17:59):
with my guest, andre McDonald.
You know if the average personis listening to the show today
and they are thinking, I thinkhypnotherapy could potentially
be helpful to me.
Like, what is the process tofind someone?
Number one how do you knowsomeone's qualified?
And number two where do youbegin to look?
I mean, I don't even know wherethat would begin.
(18:19):
And then even like for yourself, like, how do you market your
services?
Andre McDonald (18:24):
I'll be honest with you.
I didn't know the marketingpart when I first started this
nine years ago.
I'm still kind of working onthat.
Times change all the time.
I am on facebook, I am ontiktok, I'm on YouTube.
People are finding me onlinerealhypnosispro that's my
digital business card.
But the way to know ifsomeone's a good fit for a
(18:48):
particular person, for youviewers out there, listeners is
that you're going to feel thisresonance, whether that person
is taking you in their bestinterest, by listening to you.
Well, by, perhaps you know youknow they're listening by maybe,
if they're repeating whatyou're and why they got started
(19:09):
with hypnosis, all that, whattheir specialties are, you can
ask them straight up.
How confident are you that youcan help me with this situation?
(19:31):
I would recommend that, in fact.
Tim Maceyko (19:35):
If I think hypnotherapy is a good fit for
me, is this something I do once,or is it a six week type
program?
Like what would that look like?
How long would I needhypnotherapy to maybe overcome
this anxiety or trauma that Ihave?
Andre McDonald (19:49):
That is a really good question, and that one's
one I can't give astraightforward answer about,
unfortunately.
Sometimes it's one session,sometimes it's more sessions
really quitting smoking.
For me that it's been like onesession for two hours, but I go
up to six sessions.
If you're not getting anyresults at all after six
sessions, then it's just not foryou.
(20:11):
I'm not claiming that it's foreveryone.
You'll notice somethingnormally on the first session,
second session, somethingnormally on the first session,
second session.
Tim Maceyko (20:21):
I'm glad you said what you said because I think
when I present these differenttype of health and wellness type
alternatives to maybe justmainstream going to your doctor
like what else can you do toimprove your life I always talk
about how it's.
This may not be for youparticularly like we're trying
to open up people's options forwhether it's meditation or yoga
or taking a walk in nature, assimple as that.
Like we're exploring differentconcepts, and I think hypnosis
(20:45):
has a place in this discussionand certain people could
certainly benefit from it andbenefit dramatically, while
others it may not be quite aseffective as you want.
So for the listeners I want topoint that out that you know I'm
not endorsing do this, do thatbut I also try to bring you
things that I do think work andhave the potential to make your
(21:05):
life a little bit better whenyou're struggling, and so I
think hypnosis is one of thosetypes of things that people
should at least take a closerlook at.
Andre McDonald (21:13):
That's yeah, exactly.
Do the research.
You won't regret it.
I think that's the best placeto start.
Tim Maceyko (21:18):
When we talk about the faith aspect of it whether
you're a Christian and youbelieve in God, or you're a
Hindu or, you know, muslim, likewhatever it may be it always
seems to come down to the factthat there's this higher power,
something we believe in that'sbigger than us, and so for me
that's God, and for somebodyelse it may not be, maybe it be
something different, but what Ilove about whether it's hypnosis
(21:40):
or meditation or any of theseother things we talk about, it's
this connection that's biggerthan what maybe we even
understand, and I think that's areally cool thing, don't you
think?
Andre McDonald (21:50):
I think so too.
I think that's yeah, it'sbigger.
It's larger than life.
It really is, and it's nice toknow we're part of that.
Tim Maceyko (22:00):
Absolutely Well, andre, anything else you want to
share with us today?
I mean, I really appreciate youtaking some time just to kind
of explain the concept ofhypnosis to us.
And again, realhypnosispro isyour website and if people are
interested in talking to you, Iguess I should ask this question
first Can we do this virtually?
Is it effective virtually, oris this something that's better
(22:20):
in person?
I didn't ask that question, Imeant to oh, that is another
great question.
Andre McDonald (22:24):
Yeah, okay.
So virtual is amazing.
I started that pretty close to2019 or so and it's been great.
It's different, but it's not.
It's not better or worse than Ido work in person, also in
office.
I guess it's just a matter of Imean, introverts love being
online.
(22:45):
Just, you know, video also like.
If someone has a problem with,like, looking in the eyes or
something, then that's perfectlyfine.
On video you don't have to haveyour camera on or anything.
It's audio.
So it's me talking in my mostquiet, my most hypnotic voice.
You're just relaxing, there'smusic going.
But in person it has differentelements, such as I can tap
(23:09):
someone on the forehead or thearm or something you know
because the skin is veryprogrammable.
It's like a part of our, it's anervous system, it's part of
our brain.
So it's just different.
It's just a little differentwhether you're in person or
virtual, but it's good eitherway.
Thanks for asking.
Tim Maceyko (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, I meant to ask that earlier and I
totally slipped my mind.
I looked at my notes and I waslike, oh, I have one more
question for you.
Well, andre, anything else youwant to add then, before we wrap
things up today?
Andre McDonald (23:36):
Yeah, Maybe just always talk to your doctor or
healthcare provider beforetrying anything out, and I'll be
around also if you have anyquestions.
Concerns curiosities I lovecuriosities.
Realhypnosispro that's whereyou can save all my information.
It's not really my website,it's my business card, but it's
got everything there, the wholeenchilada.
So that's what I got on that.
(23:58):
Keep your faith.
Tim Maceyko (24:00):
I appreciate it.
Andre, thanks for joining metoday and for all you listeners
out there.
Look into hypnotherapy, thinkabout it and see if it could
possibly help you, anddefinitely reach out to Andre if
that interests you further.
I think he'd be a greatresource.
And with that, that's going towrap up today's Faith Beyond
show.
Wow, what a great episode, andmaybe hypnotherapy is something
(24:25):
that you can use in your life.
Be sure you reach out to AndreMcDonald and see if that's
something that benefits you, andif it doesn't, that's okay too.
I myself am thinking aboutgetting a hold of him and maybe
giving that a shot to see how itworks for some of the problems
that I have in my own life.
Until next time.
(24:45):
This has been Tim Maceyko.
You've been listening to theFaith Beyond Podcast, and we'll
leave you with this message -You can overcome any adversity
in life.
Together, we can overcome, wecan achieve, we can go on and do
great things with the time wehave on this earth.
So go do it.
It's your time, it's my time,it's our time
Music (25:12):
It's our time, it's our time, and we'll live it loud.
We don't stop and we keep ondreaming.
Set the goals and we willachieve them.
It's our time.
It's our time, and we'll makeit count.
Oh, watch us close, cause wewill grow and become unstoppable
(25:38):
.
Become unstoppable.
We will grow and becomeunstoppable.
Become unstoppable.
Take our dreams and make themreal, because nothing is
impossible.
It's our time.
It's our time and we'll make itcount.
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It's our lives.
It's our lives and we'll liveit up.
We'll see you next time.
It's a time it will make itcount.
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