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when we invest in his kingdom,he brings the increase.
Hey, welcome back to FaithfullyInvested, where we uncover God's
blueprint for leadership,marriage, and mission.
I am Allen, and I am Stacy Jo.
And today we are talking aboutthe power of agreement because,
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you know, different perspectivesopen up opportunities for us to
grow together with Christ in themiddle.
Absolutely.
We must have Christ at thecenter, right?
Uh, admittedly, when it comes toyielding to the Holy Spirit.
Concerning opposing views, Ihave room for improvement.
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It's a true story.
I have to remember that.
He's the Holy Spirit of truthwho's bringing me all the truth.
That's what the word said, andoftentimes I just need to back
off, sit down, be quiet, andlisten to what the truth is.
Oh wow.
I'm gonna write that down.
Yeah, I'm gonna put it in theshow notes.
I need something to write itdown on that.
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You're enjoying that a littletoo much.
I just like that you came intoagreement with the way I feel
sometimes.
Well, hey, that's what we'retalking about.
Oh, but, but honestly, you know,when it comes to his kingdom
agreement, based on his will andhis way will open doors to
awaken us to God's.
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Promises in our lives together.
Absolutely.
Regardless of who it is.
Yeah, man, you nailed that babe.
Uh, with when our hearts alignand abide with, with his
perspective over our own,because his ways are always
higher and greater than ourways.
Right.
Uh, when, when we yield to that,it releases power, peace, and
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progress.
Uh, the enemy of our soul wantsnothing more than to divide us
and conquer us, but when wedecide to take the high road of
unity with God, with Christ,with the Holy Spirit and with
each other, there's nothing thatthe enemy can do to stop our
creator, father, God's purposefor us.
That's, yeah, absolutely.
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And I think about an example, aswe were in our lives, as we were
getting ready to startfaithfully invested, we didn't
really align on whether weshould do it or shouldn't do it.
Um.
It sounded like a good idea andit seemed like God was, you
know, aligning everything forthat.
But it was, it was an investmentmainly more so than anything.
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An investment of time.
Yeah.
And it's a lot of work and wereally wondered if we had what
it takes to endure it in thelong run and not just have it
become an expensive hobby.
Right.
And truth be told, initially Isaw it as a get to.
Wow.
My baby cake's here and yes, Ido call him.
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That was stuck on it beingoccasionally, often you're even
in my phone as my baby cakes,but, but you were kind of stuck
on it as being a got to ratherthan a get to.
Yeah.
You know, your big thing was, Idon't know that this really fits
our schedules would.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's true.
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Yeah, that's a true storyfriend.
She, uh.
Uh, she's many things, but aliar is not one of those things.
She is a, let's hope she is atruth telling lady.
I love, I love her so much.
Uh, she's right.
I was, I was stuck in what I'vecome to know as my finite
perspective.
Uh, I knew what our currentcommitments were and it didn't
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make sense to take on anythingelse, but when I considered it
through the Lord's infiniteperspective, it still didn't
make sense.
Right.
But, uh, but he let me know thatgrowth takes risks.
So he said, release it to me andsee what I'll do with it.
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You ever hear that?
Mm-hmm.
Release it to me and see whatI'll do with it.
It was just another opportunity,uh, for me to see that it's not
about me.
Uh, it's about him and what hewants to provide to Stacy, Jo,
and myself.
Uh, he wants to give us thisplatform to, to share our
experience about living in hispresence and our all through our
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lives.
Uh,'cause it has and hopes thatit helps you.
Yeah.
And, and yeah.
Just sharing experience.
Yeah, experience, strength, andhope.
Right, right.
So, but looking back on this abit, um, this was our, this was
an, this was an opportunity toliterally invest faithfully in
something that didn't make sensein the beginning.
Uh, but how many of you know.
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That faith doesn't make sense.
Faith makes a fool of what makessense.
Yeah.
Uh, it does.
I mean, you nailed it.
So, you know, when we finallylanded on the name Faithfully
Invested,'cause we'd gone backand forth about different titles
and, and it just kind ofclicked.
It felt right and it alignedlike the Holy Spirit put a stamp
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on it.
And I feel like he really didbecause as.
I never expected for, as I wentto look for a website, as I went
to look for other podcasts fortheir names to Right.
I never expected faithfullyinvested to be available.
Right.
And I never in, never in amillion years expected.
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Never in a million years, and Imean, I haven't lived a million
years, but I would've neverimagined that faithfully
invested.com would've beenavailable.
Right.
And.
When I found it, it, it reallywas like he put his stamp on it
and he said, this is what youare supposed to do.
Everything came into agreement,everything came into alignment.
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Right.
With regards to this, even downto our mentors.
Right.
Uh, you know, shout out to, toSammy and Ray, uh, out of all
podcasting, who, you know,really put it.
Got us moving on it and gave usall the tools.
Yeah.
To equip us very motivational.
Yeah.
To, yeah.
To be able to do this.
So Yeah.
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And that's, and, and how, howthat all aligned, um, from the
top down.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, it wasn't, uh, it, it hadpotential to be a good thing,
but I've, we've both come torecognize it as a God thing.
Right.
And that's agreement.
That's agreement right therefrom the top down, and that's
what we're looking for.
And, and it doesn't have to berare.
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A agreement from that.
We gotta make sure that it's,it's from him though, right?
And uh, and I was not certain ofthat.
Um, but even up until our first,our first, very first recording.
And so, and sometimes I look atmy schedule, I'm like, man,
really?
He is like, yeah, dude, go.
Um.
Anyway, authentic.
Agree, authentic agreement isn'tsaying, okay, let's just do it
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your way.
That's compromise.
Mm-hmm.
And that's not what we'retalking about.
Agreement brings peace betweenus, uh, because we decide to
operate from his perspectiveover our own.
Uh, so our hearts align with hisplan, and that's what it's all
about.
That's the core of agreementwhen our hearts align with his
plan.
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Yeah, if any of this, ifanything is going to work, we
gotta both agree and we have toagree with his plan.
Yeah.
It's God, Jesus and the HolySpirit who enlighten and empower
us to align with each otherbecause we align and abide with
them first.
We have to align and abide withthem before we can align and
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abide with each other.
And again, you know, I always goback to the cross.
You know, you have to have thevertical before you have the
horizontal.
That's it in anything.
That's it.
And, um, all, all I got to sayabout that is Blammo.
Blammo, baby Blammo.
I like, I like it when I getblammos.
I like Blammo.
Blammos are good, but did youknow that the enemy absolutely
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hates agreement?
You know, we mentioned earlierthat his only plan.
Is to divide and derail us.
And Peter reminds us in firstPeter chapter five, to be sober
minded, to be watchful becausethe devil prowls around like a
roaring lying, seeking todevour.
And we're told to resist him andstand firm in our faith.
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And when we decide to standfirm, the God of all grace, he
restores.
He confirms.
He strengthens, and heestablishes us right.
I heard someone say I, I'm notsure if it was, it, it, I think
it might have been Joby Martin.
I'm not sure.
Uh, could have been KyleThompson.
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Um, might have been someone onthe, on the podcast there.
Someone on the mini podcast thatyou listened to?
Yeah, yeah.
Main, mainly Joby or Kyle's.
Yeah.
But, um, they.
They, uh, said, seeking, uh,the, the, that enemy seeking for
someone to devour and seeking.
What, what are we doing whenwe're seeking, if we're seeking
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something?
It's a, it's consistent.
Mm-hmm.
We're, we're seeking, we we'reseeking truth.
We are seeking life.
Uh, but, but the, what Petersays there, and what you just
mentioned is the enemy isseeking.
For someone to devour.
He's consistently looking and,and devour.
When, when you devour something,it's gone.
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Right?
It's he, he's looking toeliminate.
So he's consistently on theprowl, like a roaring lion
looking to eliminate us.
And, and I, I also like whatJoby says, uh, pastor Joby says
he and, uh, and some, somepeople think the devil will just
make us bad, but.
You know, and I love how Ajovysays this, and I can't do it.
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'cause you know, I'm not fromGeorgia, but he, uh, he says,
if, if the devil can't make youbad, he'll make you busy.
Mm-hmm.
That's something else we gottalook out for.
That's right.
Because he is consistentlyseeking for someone to eliminate
from God's purpose.
Yeah.
And yeah.
You know, but sometimes we cansabotage ourself with our own
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words.
I mean, we'll pray for abreakthrough, but then we'll
speak defeat the next day.
Mm-hmm.
And the confusion and the chaosis not from God, but it's from
our adversary.
Again, an example of how heseeks to devour us.
Yeah.
And that's why it's sobeneficial.
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That's why we have to operatefrom the truth.
Who is Jesus Christ?
We serve a God of order, not ofchaos.
Absolutely.
And, and we can't pray in faithand then walk and talk in fear.
Right?
Fear and faith cannot coexist.
Mm-hmm.
You, you can't be faithful inone, in one moment and fearful
in the next.
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Again, faith and fear cannotcoexist.
It's, it's like driving with onefoot on the brake and one on the
gas.
It's just making a bunch ofnaughty noise and no forward
progress.
How does that even work?
I mean, one foot on the brakeand a foot on the gas.
How, I mean, I get, I get get,oh know, that sounds like a
Hagar is that you que fromsqueal your tires.
Like back in the old days whenwe would cruise sale'em.
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Yeah.
And it's, they called it powerbreak and they, they'd, they'd
hold their foot on the, thebrake and then slam on the gas
and it, the car just, it mighthave fishtailed a little bit,
but it wasn't going anywhere andit made a whole lot of noise.
So a peel out?
It was, it was.
It was counterproductive.
Okay, so and so and so there itis.
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Trying to, trying to, you know,praying in faith and then, and
then walking and talking infear.
It's counterproductive, youknow?
It sounds like, um, it soundslike anxiety.
Yeah.
Sounds like that's the turmoil,that that's what it sounds like.
Yeah.
Nobody, nobody's got time forthat.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Uh, but, uh, we gotta, we gottaget off the fence people, we
gotta get off the fence andstand firm on his authority
that's given us his authority.
Yeah.
That, that Christ gives us.
He gives, he's been given allauthority in heaven and on
earth.
Mm-hmm.
And he has given, and what hesays in Luke is that he gives us
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the authority to tram on snakesand scorpions, which is symbolic
of, of the demonic.
He says, I give you authority tostand against all the power of
the enemy and that nothing willharm you.
And he's talking to his firstcentury disciples.
Will, will ask yourself, are youa 21st century disciple?
Hmm.
Are you walking under anauthority of Christ Jesus, our
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Lord, we got the, the time forfence writing is over.
We gotta stand firm on thetruth.
Yes.
Yeah, I know.
I can recall, I mean, we'veseen, we've seen him work
through times like that in ourlives.
Mm-hmm.
I can recall seasons where wewould be praying and we would be
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leaving, would be believing fordirection, but then we would get
tangled up in busyness or we'dget tangled up in tiredness or
fatigue.
That really led to doubting outloud.
Yeah.
When we should have beendeclaring his truth that he gave
us.
Um, we, we've grown through ittogether.
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A lot.
Yeah, a lot.
You know, and, and, and, and Iwill say, you know, we're not,
and when she says a lot, shemeans a lot, a lot, a lot.
Right.
But, you know, even as, as lateas last week, you know, I found
myself in a place where I wasjust praying and believing for
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direction.
Like I should have been prayingand believing for direction,
but.
I was caught up in busyness andI was tired.
I was just tired.
And I found myself doubtingwhether I was on the right
track, whether I was doing whatGod had told me to do.
Am I, am I really supposed to bedoing this?
Mm-hmm.
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But you know, declaring histruth is so important and.
You know, going back to the,what is it, um, is it Isaiah 54
17 that says, no weapon formedagainst us shall prosper?
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It's, it's Isaiah 54 17.
Okay.
Because he goes before us and weare vindicated.
Yeah.
We are his children.
We are vindicated by the Lord.
And Isaiah's saying this to, toJerusalem.
He's saying this to the JewJewish nation and, but.
As, as we have, as Christ hascome.
Mm-hmm.
And we are so now we, thegentiles, we we're God's people
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now too.
Mm-hmm.
So, so a as we, as we decide forChrist, we have been made.
We have, he has, uh, we'rerighteous and redeemed.
Yeah.
We are vindicated before, uh, weare made right before the
father.
So that means that, and man,that's, I I love that smile.
Yeah.
And because to be made rightbefore the father, after all
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that I've done back there, youknow, and to be made right
before the father in Christthat, that's, that's worth
smiling over.
Yeah.
But what, what, what Isaiah wassaying, I mean, centuries before
seven or eight centuries before,uh, God even sent, uh, Jesus
here, is that he's, he didn'tsay.
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There won't be a weapon formed.
He said, no weapon formed.
Mm-hmm.
Will be prosper or will willprosper against you.
Right.
Uh, and he said that this is,this is your heritage as my
people.
And your vindication comes fromme, says the Lord.
Mm.
Yeah.
And Isaiah was, he was, he's amajor prophet for a reason.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.
Yeah, we can't expect progresswhen we loosely agree in prayer
and then, and then doubt anddisagree elsewhere.
Yeah.
I mean, this sounds like whatJames called double mindedness,
right?
Double mindedness, yeah.
Kind of like talking out of bothsides of your mouth and a double
minded person is unstable in allof their ways.
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Yeah.
And he kicked the, he kicked offhis, his, uh.
His epistle, uh, that was inchapter one, verse eight.
Man, he kicked it off.
Right.
This, he is like double minded,you know, y'all are double
minded speaking to the 12scattered tribes of Israel.
Mm-hmm.
And those are some prettystubborn people.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, as far as idolatry and, andthis, that, and, and what have
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you.
Uh, they were, they were, uh,they were out there, let's just
say, um, without going into vastdetail, but, uh, it looks like
America.
You know, uh, today we're alittle out there and, uh, we
have a, a, a tendency, uh, to bedouble-minded.
So, yeah, it's, it's importantto understand who the foundation
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is, who the cornerstone is, and,and to, to ensure that he's at
the center.
And that's, that's a dailychallenge right there.
Yeah.
So.
And we've had to navigatethrough those challenges several
times over.
Right.
Um, you know, again,double-minded doesn't progress
anywhere, but James alsoencourages us toward humility.
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He does, like we've mentioned,we, we talked about humility and
pride in, in other episodes.
Right.
And pride doesn't work welltowards mutual agreement.
Ever.
We can speak firsthand on that.
Right.
But James informs us of when wehumble ourselves before the
Lord, he will lift us up.
Yeah.
Which is to say that humilityunifies while pride divides.
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And the lady said, humilityunites while pride divides.
Yeah.
That is such a simple butbrilliant truth.
Um, and for that we gotta takeit directly to Jesus.
Yeah.
Gotta take it directly to Jesus.
When we, when we get to know himthrough the scriptures, we
discover that there was not oneprideful bone in his body.
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His entire ministry was, um, hesought, uh, connection.
He sought obedience to thefather's plan, and declares love
as the greatest commandment.
And where there's love, theremust be forgiveness and humility
is required for both.
I'll say that again.
Where there's love, which is thegreatest commandment, where
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there's love, there must beforgiveness and humility is
required for both.
Uh, we're, we're call it thelove we are and that, that
brings us to our, and it, and itmight sound corny or cliche.
I, I recall in, in old moviessaid, love kills a demon.
Well, absolutely love does killthe demon.
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Yeah.
And uh, I'm, I'm not sure where.
They got that line from, butit's, it's actually, I never
heard it until you said it's,it's, it is biblically correct.
Love does kill the demon.
Uh, love does cover a multitudeof sins.
And, and if it, if, even if itdoes sound corny, cliche, come
to come to the realization thatit's objective, truth stands.
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Through, through the ages.
So if we want agreement, we, wegotta embrace love.
Mm-hmm.
We gotta, we gotta, the wordsays what's the, the, the Shema
and Deuteronomy and, and thegreat commandment and, and, um,
and the gospels is, you know,love the Lord your God with all
your heart, mind, and, andstrength.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, and love your neighboras yourself.
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Right.
So love is it.
And that's what he calls us to.
Uh, and.
He takes it even further inJohn's gospel when he tells his
disciples a new commandment Igive you.
Mm-hmm.
Because, because they, I mean,his disciples, they, they didn't
get it either.
Right.
You know?
Well, and they walked with himfor three years and, and it is,
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this is in, in John 13, he says,A new commandment I give you to
love one another.
Even as I have loved you, youalso must love one another by
this.
All men will know that you aremy disciples if, and let's
really just take that not not tochange the words of our Christ
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savior, our Lord, but when theywill know that you are his
disciples when you love oneanother.
That's John 13:34-35.
Mm-hmm.
It's one of my favorite.
Favorite scriptures.
Um, and yeah, it's, and that'sreally our anchor scripture for
this episode.
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It is, it is.
And it's, uh, it, it should, itshould be our anchor scripture
for life.
Right?
Right.
Um, so, but we've learned thatwe must love intentionally, we
got love takes.
Intentionality.
We must, there's so many peopleout there.
I mean, look at society.
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Mm-hmm.
There, there's a lot ofintentional hate out there.
Yeah.
But man, how do you combat hate?
Love with love.
So we gotta be intentional aboutlove.
We gotta, we gotta shine throughit.
When, when, when the hair comesup on the back of your neck,
that doesn't say, we don't getangry.
That doesn't say that we're,we're emotionalness drones.
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It says that, that we live andlove because he loved us.
We love each other and love him,and love each other because he
first loved us and we speaklife.
Yes, speak life.
Uh.
And light.
And when we say that in, in, inUnbound, we speak life
declarations.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and that's biblical truth.
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It's not fake positivity.
It's not the power ofpositivity, but it's speaking
God's word because God's word islife.
Jesus is life.
He's the way, the truth and thelife.
And so we're not talking aboutfake positivity here, but gospel
based truth, and we speak lifeover ourselves and each other.
And when we intentionally decidefor love.
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Life shifts and loves direction.
I mean, it does look, lookoutside the look outside and,
and man, I'm not telling you towatch the news, but flip it on,
uh, and, and then please flip itright back off.
Right?
You know, because if you, if youjust, the same as if you, if you
speak hate, then hates what youget.
But if we speak life and wedecide for love, then, then,
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then our lives shift in love'sdirection.
Isn't it time?
Mm, isn't it?
I think it's way past time, waypast, uh, for love to shift the
tide of our world back to himwho called us to love God and
love one another.
We believe that it is time, andI got a question for you little
early for questions, but how doyou love those around you?
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How do you love those aroundyou?
It's important.
Yes.
How do you love Yes.
Living, learning, growing, andand yielding to his truth.
Yes.
This is love.
Yeah.
And it leads us past pretendingthat everything is fine.
Mm-hmm.
Because I'm fine.
Fine.
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No.
You know what fine means?
Feelings inside needingexpressed.
Yeah.
E.
And it leads us into mutualagreement that aligns and abides
with the truth.
Truth, the Capital T truth, asAllen says, I love that.
Capital T truth, the capital Ttruth, the JC truth, who is
Yeah, the capital T truth, theJC truth.
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Who is Jesus Christ.
Yes.
And even when circumstances lookthe opposite, we can stand on
his absolute truth and believethat we will land well and when
we decide to love as he, as heloves us.
Yeah.
Man.
It's just, it's, it's abrilliant paradigm shift.
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It is an absolutely brilliantparadigm shift and, and
paradigm.
Paradigm shift is just aparadigm is just how we see the
world.
Mm-hmm.
It's our perspective and, and Ithink maybe if, if we're honest
with each other and we shouldbe, we need, we need a paradigm
shift.
Yes.
And love is, love is a great wayto shift.
It is.
So if you truly wanna align orrealign toward agreement, we're
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gonna give you five.
Action items to do.
Uh, we are, and we encourage youto start today.
The first one is pray togetherconsistently.
Yeah.
What do you gotta say about thatlady?
Well, first I'll say that wechallenged you in, I think, the
last episode to do a.
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Pray with your spouse, you know,pray seven days consistently,
not just say, I'll pray for youlater.
Mm-hmm.
As the saying goes, or you know,coming up to someone saying, how
can I pray for you?
And they tell you and you'relike, and you go on your merry
way.
Mm-hmm.
But pray together.
Pray at that time.
And you know, as the sayinggoes, if nothing changes and
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nothing changes.
Right.
Yeah.
And we have to decide to setaside time to gain perspective
on his plans.
For your purpose.
Yeah.
I had to set aside time to gainperspective on his plan for my
purpose.
Right.
And Allen For his purpose.
Yeah.
And our purpose together.
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And we had to decide with him ifour plans were aligned with
God's plans.
Yeah.
So what is his perspective onyour family and on your
business?
And we're asking a lot ofquestions today, but.
Our agreement starts with God'sperspective.
First agreement begins on ourknees and listening with the
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eyes of our hearts as Ephesiansone 18 says.
Yeah, that's it.
Number two, go for it.
Speak the same language offaith.
Mm-hmm.
Are we believing what we'resaying?
Are we living faithfully?
A lot of questions here, a lotof things to consider.
Because we got understand this.
Our words have power.
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Solomon's wisdom tells us inProverbs 1821, that death and
life are in the power of thetongue, and those who love it
will eat its fruit, death, andlife are in the power of the
tongue.
Whew.
Yeah.
It's so true.
Yeah.
Simmer on that one.
Yeah.
Whether you're speaking lifeover yourself or over someone
else, or whether you're speakingdeath over yourself or someone
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else.
Right.
It.
Yeah.
Your tongue is, has the power.
We can, we can lift them up orwe can tear'em down.
Yeah.
And as we walk under an inChrist authority, we, uh, we're
called to, to lift them up.
I, I love, I heard this in, inthe recovery community a long
time ago.
The only, the only time youshould be, uh, looking down on
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anyone is when you're reachingdown to help'em up.
Mm.
That's so good.
So, but back to the point, ifyou're praying.
For abundance, but you'retalking and lack, your beliefs
are working against yourprayers.
Mm-hmm.
Your words are working againstyour prayers and, and that's,
that's not good.
When we speak and we sow life,then, then we reap life.
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Likewise, if we're, if we'resowing and reap and sorrow and
despair, well that's what you'regonna reap.
So, so go to God with it andbelieve for it.
I encourage, we encourage you tobelieve for it together.
Yes.
Yes.
So number three is clarify thevision.
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Half of disagreements, maybeeven more than half of
disagreements happen becausewe're not even talking about the
same thing.
Whether it's a marriage goal ora ministry dream or a business
plan, you have to write it down.
You have to talk it through, andyou have to get on the same
page, not just with yourbusiness partner or your or your
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husband, or your child or spouseor your child, but you have to
write it down and talk about itand make sure you're on the same
page with the Lord and writingour thoughts down and our plans
gets them.
Out of I, you know, I, I have alot of things bouncing around in
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my head and I actually said toAllen the other day, I'm like, I
just feel like I have so manythings bouncing around in my
head.
And he's like, did you writethem down?
Write'em down.
Have you written them down?
And I'm like, Ugh.
Get'em outta there.
I haven't, I haven't writtenthem down.
Yeah.
But when I do write them down,it gets'em outta my head.
And it makes it real.
Yeah.
It makes them real.
And then I can present them.
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To the Lord Yeah.
And come into agreement withhim.
Right.
And build a plan what he wants.
Plan, build the plan from that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yep.
So the, uh, number four, our,our point for today is deal with
offense quickly.
Yeah.
Alright.
And he said, deal with a fencequickly.
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Yeah.
Wow.
I think the spirit of offense isworking overtime in society
today.
I think so, but I gotta saysomething because I was just at
an event, um, with a bunch of mywomen from Live Out Loud and
something.
We were talking aboutforgiveness and one of the girls
had such a.
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Uh, she made the comment thatforgiveness and offense are
really two different things.
Well, yeah, but, but it was likeforgiveness or unforgiveness.
Forgiveness.
And No forgiveness.
Forgiveness.
Well, okay.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
You can forgive.
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You can, like I can forgive you,right?
Like forgive what you've done.
But I can still be holding onand she has, but I can still be
holding on to that offense.
Mm-hmm.
Even though I have forgiven.
Yeah.
That was just a wow moment forme because I was like,'cause I
just think of offense and for,you know, an unforgiveness
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going, or forgiveness goingtogether.
If you forgive someone for whatthey've done, you've forgiven
the offense.
Right.
But you can still be feelingoffended and have forgiven
someone.
I, I, yeah.
I, that's, thanks for bringingthat up.
Yeah.
That's, it's, uh, my perspectiveon that and, and I've.
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Because I'm.
I forgive, forgiven someone veryclose to me and there's, there's
no offense there.
Yeah.
Uh, because I've taken it to theLord.
Mm-hmm.
You know, so I think if we're,if we're forgiving in our heads,
or if we're forgiving in ourfinite ability, then, then we,
then there is a great tendencyto hold onto that offense.
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Mm-hmm.
Because it's, you know,'cause wewant to, we're gonna try to bear
that burden.
We, we want to, we want thatrevenge.
You know, pastor was talkingabout that today, but that's the
revenge isn't ours to have.
But I think not only do we need,but, but let me, let me finish.
Yeah, go ahead.
What I, I think what I think is,and as I've been cleared of
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that, that offense mm-hmm.
I've given it to the Lord andhe's given me perspective and
which has created compassionagainst this.
Mm-hmm.
Or, or not against, but for thisperson so that I wouldn't have,
uh, offense against this person.
Right.
Gave.
So both.
It's that re God that removesthat Yeah.
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Spirit of offense.
But you gave both to him.
You gave, you gave the person tohim and you gave the offense to
him.
But I think oftentimes we say,we say, Lord, we, we forgive
this person.
Mm-hmm.
Or we say to that person, weforgive you.
Mm-hmm.
But we never actually addressthe offense.
And give the offense to him.
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Yeah.
And therefore, when we're stillholding on to that offense, and
we're still feeling offendedwhen we get around that person,
right.
We can.
There's something that is stillkind of like e you know, kind of
rubbing us the wrong way.
Oh yeah.
And it's because we haven'tgiven, we gotta release it.
Gotta, we haven't released thatsense.
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We gotta release it.
Right.
Not just for forgiving theperson, but forgiving the
offense because that's a burdenthat we're, we're not built to
carry.
Right.
We're not built to carry thoseburdens.
Uh, Christ took those burdens onthe cross.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh,'cause he knew Right.
You know, and wrap your heartaround that.
Yeah.
But look, and, and I knowsomeone asked us to do a whole
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episode on forgiveness and, andwe are gonna do, uh, they'll
gonna do a episode.
They'll probably be a series onforgiveness coming up.
Probably.
There's probably, there'sthere's a lot to say on
forgiveness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, there's a, yeah,you, you know how it was right
there, and then it's not, andthen it's not so, so, we'll,
we'll move on, but Yeah.
But what, uh, what I know isthat nothing.
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Nothing divides faster thansilent resentment.
That's rooted in pride, right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Talk about, and that, that'sthe, that's the offense that
we're talking about.
Mm-hmm.
Nothing divides faster thansilent resentment.
That's rooted in pride.
Yeah.
Again, we'll take it toSolomon's wisdom, uh, this time
in Proverbs 1819, he's, and hesays that a, a brother that's
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offended is, is harder to bewith in a strong city.
Uh, it's, it's, it's, and, andyou gotta understand this in
Solomon's time, and I'm a strongcity, would be an, an, an
opposing city to the, mm-hmm.
To the city of Jerusalem, youknow, or, or, or, or god's
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people, you know, it's harder.
Uh, a, a brother offended isharder to be one with, harder to
unite with than a strong city.
People of opposing views.
Yeah.
Right.
It's, uh, there's a lot ofopposing views out there.
Right.
And everybody's right.
And everybody says amen.
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Yeah.
And, uh, anyway, uh, so, uh, butwhat do we do about that?
So what do we do about that?
You know, I think the ApostlePaul says, uh, be kind to one
another.
Mm-hmm.
Tenderhearted.
Yeah.
Forgiving.
Yeah.
Forgiving each other just as Godin Christ has forgiven us.
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And that is a huge, that is anechoing.
That is a ripple effect.
Blemo, blemo, Blemo, blemo.
So when something feels off,address it with the truth and.
The truth in love because we, wecan, and there, there's
objective truth and that, andthat is love, because God is
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love and the the objective truthis Christ.
Mm-hmm.
But if something feels off, if,if we're offended mm-hmm.
We gotta address it.
With the truth in love and moveon.
Yeah.
Because unity doesn't meanperfection.
It means humility.
Right.
It means that, and we'dencourage you be the first one
to forgive.
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Yeah.
He who forgives first wins.
Not just the person, but theoffense as well.
And the offense as well.
Yeah.
Point.
Yeah.
And then our fifth point wouldbe to surround yourself with
aligned people.
So you can't stay in agreementwith heaven if everyone around
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you is speaking doubt.
Right.
I've been in those circles wherepeople were just, you know,
speaking the negative and, andyou know, I see it on social
media all the time and I'm like,I, I can't, I'm no longer in
that place.
Yeah.
So I have to, I had to shut thedoor.
Yeah.
Um, sadly on some people seeingtheir posts because I'm like, I
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just can't be around that.
Right.
And but the, the, yeah, I getthat.
But, but Right.
And then then the line ofexcuses.
Yeah, exactly.
Or just you and the offensive orthe victim mentality, you know,
the victim mentality speakingthe victim mentality over
yourself.
And everything's always awful.
And, you know, our core biblicalreference in our unbound
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ministry is Romans 8:6.
Where Paul says, for the mindset on flesh is death, but the
mind set on spirit is life andpeace.
Life and peace.
So find friends, find mentorsand prayer partners who speak
God's God's truth.
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And who remind you who you arein Christ.
And I am so blessed, so blessedto have so many women around me
who do just that.
I love my circle of women whospeak life into me.
In fact, I And you speak lifeinto them too.
It's, it's a life circle.
I do.
But it's pretty cool.
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You know, I was, uh, just togive you a for instance, I was
at, you know, back at that liveout loud event last week, and.
Like my mentor, you know, BrookeThomas looked at me and she just
knew.
She knew that there wassomething wrong and she just
started speaking life into me.
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Yeah.
And I will tell you that all ofthat junk, yeah.
It was, it was fatigue, it wastiredness.
It was, you know, I needed restand it was ex overexertion and,
and just all these things, youknow, we, I'd been going, going,
going mm-hmm.
Doing all good things like we'vetalked about before.
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Right.
But my point is, she juststarted speaking life into me.
Right.
And started telling me who Iwas.
Yeah.
And we all need that.
We all need God's truth.
Who you are.
Yes.
Right.
Who you are.
What did I say?
Who you was?
Oh, well.
Well, who I am she.
Who I am last week.
That's who you was last week,but who?
You're But I'm still that persontoday.
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Right, exactly.
But she started speaking.
To me who I am.
Yeah.
Is that better?
That is who I am.
That's it.
And reminding me, right.
Who I am in Christ.
Yeah.
Big sh.
And what he sees in me.
Yeah.
Big shout out to live out loud,Brooke.
Yeah.
Brooke Thomas.
Brett Thomas.
Yeah.
Thanks guys.
We love you.
Yeah, absolutely.
And we all need those people.
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So get in those circles, getthose mentors, get those prayer
partners who are speaking thatlife over you.
Because it is so important andit is life changing.
It is.
It is, yeah.
Is speaking Life's all aboutstanding in agreement with who
the Lord says we are.
That's right.
Who the Lord says we are.
And it's important as we gothrough life, as we face
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challenges, that that agreementisn't about control.
It's about connection.
That's right.
And our primary connection iswith who.
With our creator, father God.
That's right.
With Jesus and the Holy Spiritwho, and they all enhance our
connection with each other.
If we're, if we are right withthe Lord, then our, then we will
be right with each other.
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Mm-hmm.
If we decide to walk and follow.
Christ Jesus our Lord.
If we decide to deny ourselves,pick up our cross daily and
follow him, our, our connectionswith each other will align.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I used to say, and,and I still do on occasion,
that, uh, if, if I'm, if my lifeis, is set to, to, if I'm
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pleasing God with what I'mdoing, then all the right people
will be pleased as well.
That's right.
So.
When your relationships and yourwords line up at God's truth,
you don't have to force thelove, the uh, the truth and
love.
You don't have to force it, itjust flows.
Mm-hmm.
So Luke's gospel informs us thata good man out of the good
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treasure of his heart, bringsforth what is good.
But likewise, the evil manactually in contrast, the evil
man outta evil treasures bringsforth what is evil for his mouth
speaks.
From what is filled and what,what his heart's filled with.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, uh, Luke 6 45.
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Yeah.
So yeah.
I mean, heaven responds toUnity.
So when we agree on Earth, Godreleases things in heaven that
have been waiting on thatalignment.
And we've got some challengesfor you this week.
I mean, we've asked you a lot ofquestions right.
And one of these days we'll haveshow notes and we'll put'em into
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show notes.
We do have show notes, right?
Do have show notes?
Yes.
All.
Yes.
Your producer.
I do.
The production does.
He doesn't know.
All right.
But yes.
Well, one of these days we'llput all these questions in the
show notes.
Alright?
They're in the show notes,right?
And you'll find them in the showdown below.
In the show notes.
In the show notes.
Check out the show notes.
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Yeah, along with the fact thathe agrees with me.
But anyhow, well, here's yourchallenge this week.
Pick one area of your life wherethere's been disunity.
Maybe it's your marriage, maybeit's in your business, or with a
coworker or with an employee, ormaybe it's in your own head.
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Yeah, maybe it's in yourthoughts where you are not
coming into unity with who Godsays you are.
Right?
So write it down.
Write down and pick one area andwrite it down.
That's it.
And then what are you gonna dothen?
Then you gotta, then as, as,it's right there before in your
quiet time.
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'cause y'all got quiet time,right?
We're all making time for theLord.
You know, remember, if the enemycan't make you bad, he'll make
you busy.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you, Joby.
Uh, ask the Holy Spirit and yourquiet time.
Write it down.
Ask the Holy Spirit, where am Iout of alignment with you and
yield to him.
Sit and listen.
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Yeah, sit and listen and realignthrough prayer and truth.
Then write down one.
Speak life declaration to boldlydeclare faithfully over yourself
and over others every day thisweek.
Yeah.
And, and if you're married oryou're in ministry, set
yourselves up for agreementsuccess by intentionally meeting
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for prayerful planning and geton the same page like Allen
said, y'all have quiet time withthe Lord.
Right, right.
It's important to have quiettime with the Lord.
It is, it is.
And I, I want to go back to the,the speak.
As you're writing down speakinglife declarations, I wanna be
clear that speaking life, thosedeclarations are rooted in God's
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word.
Yes, we wanna speak God's wordover ourselves and each other.
It is not the power ofpositivity, right?
Nothing, not, not.
We're not speaking poorly ofpositivity.
Mm-hmm.
But there's, there's worldlypositivity.
Uh, but the, what the spiritwill give you as he's the spirit
of truth who brings us all thetruth.
Mm-hmm.
He'll, he'll give us scripture,he'll need us to do a scripture.
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Yeah.
And so, so.
When you're doing your Speaklife declarations mm-hmm.
Make sure that it's, it, it'sit's God's words spoken over
you.
Yeah.
And I'm and, and others becausethat's, that's the truth.
That changes life.
That's the truth that aligns usand, and, and draws us to
agreement with Yeah.
With God and each other.
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And, and I'm just gonna say.
Once the Lord highlights, oncethe Holy Spirit highlights where
you are out of agreement, if youare having problems coming up
with the scripture, if you'rehaving problems coming up with
something to speak life, youknow, contrary to you know,
where you're out of alignment.
Sure.
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You know, I'm gonna tell you.
Take that and go to chat GPTquite honestly, because chat GPT
is going to give you.
A bunch of scriptures.
Just, I'm gonna give you theprompt.
You're gonna go to chat, GPT,and you're going to say, I am in
a disagreement or in unalignmentwith this, right?
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Please give me scriptures,biblical scriptures, to combat
or to come out of agreement withwhere I am out of alignment.
Yeah.
And.
You'll be amazed at thescriptures and then start
speaking those over yourselves.
Print'em out, put'em on yourrefrigerator.
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We have, we have, uh, I amdeclarations on our
refrigerator.
Right.
Write him on your mirror if youneed to and, and see how he's
And yeah.
And chat, chat, you know, andI'm not discounting that, right.
That, that's a great suggestion.
Mm-hmm.
But Chat's got no soul.
No.
Uh, Chat does, Chat has no HolySpirit.
Right.
So I, whatever.
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Always remember this.
Chat's a great tool.
Mm-hmm.
It's a great tool and it's, and,and.
We have to use it wisely.
Yes, absolutely.
But it's, we have the soul.
So as, as whatever chat spitsout at you, you know.
There it is on paper, it'swritten down.
Holy Spirit, what are youspeaking to me here?
Yeah.
What pops off the page?
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'cause I, I've had a list ofscriptures and not all of'em.
Where, I mean, the word of Godis applicable at one point or
another, but in my certainsituation mm-hmm.
There were, there were ver,there were verses that popped
and when I went to that verse,you know, say.
It, it would, I I always goback.
Yeah.
And if I go back, I say, well,that maybe it's not that, that
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verse pop because he wanted meto see what was before it or
what's after it.
Right.
Or he wanted to put me backwhere he put me before I'll get
to where I was, I'll get towhere he was guiding me to.
And it's already highlighted.
Right.
So I'm, I'm, uh, so I'm, whatare you showing me here?
Yeah.
And you wanna play amo moment?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So, so use chat wisely.
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Yes.
Don't, it's not a crutch.
No.
It's a tool.
Yes.
And use it like a wrench and,uh, and then you put, you allow
the spirit to enlighten yourspirit with, uh, with those
suggestions.
Agreed.
Yep.
Yes.
Okay.
But it is a great tool.
It is a great tool.
But as we're winding down here,it's, I, it's important to
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understand that living inagreement doesn't always seem
simple.
Right.
Right.
And, and if you're, and ifyou're, it's most often not
simple.
It doesn't, it doesn't seemsimple.
Right.
Uh, and if, and if you'rechallenged, uh, and I'll just
use, uh, if you're challengedwith standing in agreement with
your spouse, then I wouldencourage you to, uh, pray about
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pride.
'cause pride pride's atremendous divider.
Uh, and when you're challengedwith that yield to his power,
yeah.
Always ask the spirit what hehas to show you.
And we got so much coming up onthat.
Yeah.
Uh, uh, I love Paul'srecognition that, that Jesus'
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power is made perfect in ourweakness.
That's a, a pre, that's a corereference in, in some, some
recovery circles.
Uh, that's a second Corinthians12:9.
Uh.
Paul says that Jesus' power ismade perfect and his weakness,
and he goes on to say, so I willboast all the more gladly about
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my weakness so that the power ofChrist Jesus will rest upon me.
Mm-hmm.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is there anyone out there thatdoesn't want the power and
authority of Christ Jesus torest upon them?
There's some reconciliationright there, folks, for sure.
Right.
So we.
We're winding down here.
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We wanna recap.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's the key points wetalked about today.
We're gonna, we're gonna, we'regonna pop these off.
Uh, God's kingdom, uh, moveswhen his people align.
Abide and agree.
Yes.
And your words have powers speakLife.
Live truth.
Speak Life and live truth.
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Absolutely.
Agreement with God and othersreleases breakthrough.
You want some breakthrough?
Take it to the Lord.
Mm-hmm.
And when we agree with him,we'll agree with others.
Right.
And that's where breakthroughensues and unity doesn't require
perfection.
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It requires humility.
Humility.
Again, coming back to humilityversus pride.
Yeah.
Oh.
Flesh versus the spirit.
That's right.
Aligning and abiding with God'struth.
Who is Jesus Christ activateshis authority in your life.
Yes.
So those are your five recaps.
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Hope you wrote them down.
Not if you were driving, but.
If you're driving, you can goback and listen to'em and write
'em down later.
Right on.
Or you can go to the show notes,Hey, we got show notes.
How about that?
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On agreement.
Right.
To be quite honest.
Yeah.
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