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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
with Anthony, Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 4
of it. Welcome to dairy.
And I was wrong in the last episode.
We have 8 episodes of this series.
So we are now at the halfway mark.
OK, OK, OK, so we we've actuallybeen discussing this before we

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start recording. So I don't even know where we
gonna start. We gonna start from the
beginning with the with the police station and these kids
and the and the pictures becauseI'm I'm a little confused or at
least I feel like the kids I'm confused like how have pictures
that all of a sudden y'all looking at the pictures and no,
nothing match up. Like, I know as a viewer, but

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I'm sure those kids are like this dude is fucking with us.
This whatever this thing is, it's messing with us.
Yeah, and and the pictures, how do you have one that actually
does look like a clown? And y'all don't y'all.
Like, oh that's a statue, yeah y'all got?

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Because in that one, it really could have been a statue.
Or it could. Have been a person I don't know
too many. Statues whose eyes glow.
And I'm just helping. I don't know well.
We know he already fogging the the brains already, but you
know, for for him, he it is he'sjust really kind of messing with

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them, you know, but he just he'sjust the kids.
He's like, OK, I'm going to rampthis up a little bit.
Right and. I'm not saying it was the grown
folks to not believe them anymore.
And that just makes it 30 times.Worse and their their fear and
stuff. But it it was just so funny that
they go and think and they did it.
They got it together and not in the photos.

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And now you now you kind of put yourself on the police chief's
radar because now anything that y'all say to him, he's not going
to believe it. You already have the what?
The town crazy girl, you know, quote UN quote, you have the the
murderer's daughter, you know, you have the son who you meet

(02:45):
the Mama later on, but now you're going to be like, oh,
that's the troublemaker son. And we don't know where Rich is
going. You know how they're going to
look at Rich later on 'cause like I was telling Dina, I said,
OK, we seen everybody's fear monster except for riches.
I have a feeling his is going tocome in the next episode.
Yeah. And it's going to be what?
Maybe his uncle? Should be.

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But I'm sure we'll get a little more background on him in the
next episode. So you literally have the only
four kids, or the only four people really, who are fully
aware that there is something going on in the town who have
actually laid eyes on, on, you know, something.

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And now nobody's gonna believe them.
So, you know, but this is, this is part of his thing.
He's gonna isolate the kids. Yeah.
And then pick him off 1 by 1. One by one, Yep.
It does suck that they that the the native lady works in town
and her people know about Pennywise and know that there's

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evil here and these poor babies are suffering and ain't no what
like it's. It sucks 'cause hopefully now
that the mom and her have made, made kind of made friends, like
maybe they'll talk, they'll like, figure it, figure out
something's happening. I don't know.
Yeah, I feel bad for these kids.I do too.
And, and it's it's sort of like a commentary on what is going on

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at the time. Like think about it, civil
rights hadn't really happened yet.
And Indigenous people, we are literally what, 60 years away
from them being served on reservations and basically
locked away. So why would they share any
information with with anybody? Right, especially when they told

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you at the beginning, hey, y'alldon't want to go in this area,
y'all need to leave us alone. When when the when the settlers
first came and y'all didn't listen.
Like they said, don't build no houses over there, stay away
from the area and the seller's like Nah we build wherever we
want to build they. Told them not to even go in the
woods. They told.

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Them. They they went in there, they
haunted, they did whatever they want to do.
And at that point, it's like we tried, so why would we ever try
anymore? Yeah, and then they was treating
them bad anyway, so at some point they were just like, well,
I guess they'll figure it out. But did you notice outside of
the wood when when Tanya was telling the story and he was

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talking about the settlers got killed, you notice they never
moved. They never moved the bodies.
They never moved the carnage. The carnage stayed where it was.
They were like, that's a reminder.
Yeah. What happens when you don't
listen and you go into the woods?
But but I guess the good thing about some of what's happening

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with the kids will actually doesget the well, let me change
that. He didn't get the courage to
tell his Mama. His Mama went snooping.
Now, I would say this, and I said this to Dina before the
episode. So I'm on the fence about
Charlotte Hamlin. There are times when I'm I'm OK
with her character and there's there are times when I just

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really don't like her character.And I don't know if it's just
that I think it goes beyond the her standing up for things.
Like in this episode, we see younosy, you pushy.
And. I just.
Like she's not standing up for, she's not standing up for

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rights, she said. I was straightening, I was doing
some tidying up and I found these stuffed in an envelope in
the back of your door, looking there.
That's why we need to put her onthe case 'cause she needs some
things to do there. There is nothing to stop the.

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Boundaries. Is she, is she taking all the
clothes at the drawer to fold them and put them back in the
drawer like? What is happening?
Are are you? Literally going through all his
things but honestly. She probably.
Was. But here's the thing though,
that kid ain't doing nothing. He not doing anything.
Well, obviously, I mean, if you find something, you may find a

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magazine that his dad gave him 'cause his dad trying to push
him Bolton that he ain't doing that.
I mean, of course he's out theretaking pictures at the cemetery,
but other than that he ain't doing anything if she pulled.
The pictures out. Wait, wait.
Taking the pictures. If she pulls the pictures out,
it's just pictures. He may be into photography.
Right. It's just pictures.
He was experimenting. He was he was learning how to

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develop. At night.
But that was a probably, it was that night and it was in a
cemetery. So that probably was like what
it's. 9 O clock and you know where your child.
Is team and she didn't because she didn't even realize what day
he took the pictures. Right.
What's Tuesday? Wednesday, right.
But yeah, so it's like, I guess on the one hand is it it's good

(08:01):
that she has the pictures because she was able to get some
information out of him. So at least he he's telling
somebody. So somebody is aware and
thankfully unlike Lily's mom, you know, he tells her, hey,
somebody was chasing after me. What did she do?
She went straight to the police station.
So somebody's chasing my child. I need you to look into that.

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And oh by the way, while I'm here, let's talk about this man.
Y'all got locked up. I was like, again, you are
drawing way too much attention to yourself.
I need you to just kind of, Oh no, chill out.
Just just be a nosy Mama for right now.
Don't get mixed into all the other stuff, especially with the

(08:45):
stuff that we find out. Yeah.
But on the other hand, on the other hand, the chief of police
has to understand when you say things like this is not like the
South, dude. Everything you're doing makes it
feel like it's just like the South.
Yeah. But on the other hand, I kind of

(09:05):
got to I, I, I got to sympathizewith him because he's telling
you it's not like the South, like we have proof this man
lied. So it's not like he just
singling this man out. He has proof that you wasn't
where you said you were supposedto.
Be that's true, but then it became but then, but then it

(09:26):
became like the South when he can't tell where he was.
Well, yeah, that, but. But the police chief don't know
that. Yeah, or maybe, but I'm just
saying suspicious, but you know,he.
He know not to say nothing. It also he knows he, he's like,
oh, it's not like the South because he's like, oh, we're not

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doing it to the level that they doing it at, but they still
doing it because they oh, he a black man.
It had to be him that did it. And that's the only proof he had
'cause until he found out he lied about being outside his
house, he have no proof to lock that man up.
No, nothing. He just did it 'cause he knew it
was about to be some trouble. And the you know my.
Whatever getting the pressure from it, yeah, that is, that is

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something that they probably. Did to black people all the time
because it was just easier causeone black person versus the mild
white people was easier to deal with.
So yeah, you are very much like the South, you just a little
less, a little, a little. Less of whatever they would, but
OK, let me play devil's advocatebecause let's say Grogan wasn't

(10:30):
a black man. Or let's say cow.
OK, both of them work in the movie theater.
And I know, like, we understand,we we've already had the
conversation about Cal was the one that was chasing after
Maddie. So he could have been the one
that, you know, made Maddie disappear.
But if if, how had I mean, if, yeah, if how had been a white

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dude? OK.
And these children came into themovie theater.
They, you know, movie theater's bloody.
The kids are missing. I don't think they found any of
the body parts. I don't remember what happened
to the hand that Lily had. But you know, you have all this
stuff. You have all of this so-called,

(11:12):
I guess it is evidence. It's not evidence necessarily
against him. But it's like if if he if it
wasn't the black man, if if Hal Grogan was white and his white
child had taken her friends intothe movie theater they all got
murdered with, do you think theywould still go after him?

(11:32):
Because what other explanation do you have?
And. See, that's why I like, I get
it. But what I'm saying is they told
that guy they would have been mad over time, but because it
was a black man, I feel like they had more oomph in their
anger because they thought it was a black man versus if it was

(11:52):
a white man and everybody knew this white man and everybody was
friends with this white man or whatever.
And they had no problems with this white man before.
Well. Such and such would never do
that. They would have found a way
until they got to a certain point, you know what I'm saying?
I feel like they immediately waslike, it's him, He did it even
like, you know, 'cause they was looking at him what they was

(12:14):
looking at him when Maddie got taken, wasn't they at first?
They were. These kids got taken and then
they was like, Oh yeah, it's definitely him, 'cause the
theater is involved again and it's like, and I don't.
Think it helped that. I don't think it helped that
Maddie and Phil and Teddy and all them were friends because
that's that's another link. Like if you already blamed him

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for this one, then it kind of sort of follows the quote UN
quote natural course that you. Probably the the difference.
The difference is a white man would get the benefit of the
doubt. He doesn't get the benefit.
Of the doubt, yeah. That's the difference.
Once he got arrested, the white man would probably have his own
lawyer. Yeah, rather than a a defend.

(12:58):
Like public defender? Yeah.
And so probably white. More than a certain amount of
time in jail. Yeah, he had a public defender
who's probably white. Who?
Is probably going to feel the. Same kind of pressure about Oh,
well, he's, he must be guilty and.
I thought about that when Charlotte was telling him what
his rights were and he was like,oh, the public defender didn't

(13:19):
tell me nothing about that. Because this, that was typically
the case during that time, yeah.It's the case now, they don't
care. They're so strong.
Usually they don't have time to have compassion for all their
clients. And yeah, typically they're, you
know, poor people who can't afford, you know, attorneys.
And so they don't. It's not that they don't care,

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but a lot of times they're just burned out.
Yeah. And you know so.
Yeah, but I mean, we'll come back and talk, talk about Grogan
a little bit later. But yet the short Charlotte's
whole thing, and I don't know ifit's just, it could also be the
way that she speaks to people 'cause even her interactions
with her husband, I'm like, see how y'all are married?

(14:04):
Because they don't really seem to.
They probably sing the vibe. They don't seem like they're
compatible. Well, they I think they did
before and it was like a opposite of tracks.
He's followed the rules and she's a free spirit.
Not like that. But you know, just vocal and
don't go with status quo. However, it did not help that he

(14:27):
wanted to rise in, I want to sayrise in power, but rise in
ranking and stuff. And then the thing she did from
their previous home, I think it's causing the rift in their
marriage. But beforehand, when she would
be like, oh, this is this and this.
And he'd be like, oh, this is sorefreshing, 'cause I got to go

(14:48):
to work. And if it's green, it's green.
If it's red, it's red, but now it's it's in, they're merging
and that's where their marital issues are coming into play.
The other, the other difficult thing is we know he doesn't feel
fear, but we don't really know to the extent which is we don't
know how he was before his injury.
Yeah. We don't know really what kind

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of person he was or how much hispersonality change since he got
injured. But you can tell what his issues
are with her. I mean.
Literally I'm. I'm saying was that before or
after his injury? It, it doesn't matter, just just
if you take the injury out, she was causing problems with his
job because of her doing all thecivil rights things.

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That's what you got to see. And then when you come and move
into this new town and you are following the same path.
We don't know how much what slack or how much what issues he
had on his job from what she wasdoing right.
But I don't even think it's the medical thing.
I think it's more of the he is now interfering with his.
Job I'm just saying his contributing.

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Factor I think I do think that like when she and me that when I
first got together he might havethought her being kind of a go
getter, kind of a like fucking with me type person.
He might have really loved that about her when they first met
until they start interfering in their home life and now in his
job and all that stuff. He it might have been something

(16:17):
that he really loved about her. Yeah, that's so now she he want
her to be. Not taking it.
I want to say it's interfering, but given what we've kind of
gleaned from their conversationsand then also from what we see
her doing now, I feel like it's the part where is it's not just
about her interfering. She's literally putting them in

(16:40):
danger. Like when when Will sees
Pennywise outside, he thinks it's somebody watching the house
because of Charlotte going to the to, to the police station.
So obviously that's not the first time something like that
has happened. And he's probably more like, you
are making us targets or you are, you are, you're, you're

(17:03):
putting us in a position where too many eyes are on us, right?
This needs to kind of chill out,not do anything, not do anything
that's going to bring us any attention.
Or any negative attention. Attention.
And that's probably what it was.Eyes from everywhere, in and out
of, you know, government. Yeah, yeah.

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So. But I she, let me tell you now,
she is like a dog with a bone. She's like, OK, here, here's
something I see something is notright, I'm a go check it out
'cause she don't want to visit Grogan's Mama.
She don't talk to Rose. She don't went and threatened

(17:43):
the the police, you know, assistant.
She was like, look, you don't let me see him.
I got a note for his girl. When I tell you I fell out when
she said I got a note from his Mama giving me permission to see
him. I was like, what is he, 12?
But she was like, if you don't let me go in to see him, I will
have MLKJFKRFK and every other FK up here.

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I was like, oh, OK, so she knowssome folks.
So that also lets you know kind of how deep she might, she might
have been in the movement because if she's rattling names
like that saying, oh, I can makea phone call and they'll be here
in the morning. Yeah.
Her husband might have somethingto to worry about, like, Oh

(18:29):
yeah, she about to bring the bighitters.
Or she could have just been using the name because she knows
what names make white people thinking.
I don't, I don't know, somethingabout the the confident way she
said it makes me feel like she probably knew these people.
Or at least I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility she

(18:50):
would know MLK. Right.
No, that's true. I just wonder if she really.
Yeah, right. She just knew she had him on the
ropes and she was just like, I'mgoing to dig it in.
I don't know, I kind of I kind of feel like she she might be
serious and that might be one ofthe things that Leroy is worried

(19:10):
about. Not well, not worried because of
course this man don't have fear,but he can still be like, I'm
going to need you to chill out because we got a child over
here. We got to think about and we,
you know, his safety and his so I don't know she, I she is a
very interesting character though, but I am kind of divided
on whether or not I like her or not.

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I just it's like I don't mind stirring the pot, but she's
stirring and and she just I justfeel like it's about to explode
in her face. I feel like something good, you
know, especially now. Not only is she on the radar of

(19:55):
the police because of course, you know, that police officer
went back and told the chief, oh, yeah.
So she wants to do this. Yeah.
Go see Grogan after you specifically told her not to go
see Grogan. So now she's going to be on the
police chief's radar. Her son is on the police chief's
radar. And not only is her son on the
police chief's radar, he's also now Pennywise's radar.

(20:17):
Yeah. So.
And I know she has nothing to dowith the Pennywise thing, but I
have a feeling she and her husband are going to figure out
something real quick because Leroy already knows something
weird is happening. He leave, you know, he goes
fishing with Will. Will's fly comes off the line.
He's like, oh, stay right here. I'm going to go to the car and

(20:37):
get the, I'm looking at that like Will if you don't go with
your daddy, right? Why at least come out the water?
Out the water, at least. First of all, when the clown
fish swam up, I was like, really?
Yeah, no clown fish, no fishes coming to you, clown fish.
And. It was big, right?
Because. I thought it was a cool day at

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first. Like what?
And then he just. Sat.
I did look. At.
Him, I said I did too. I was like, well, that's a big
Oh no, that's a clown fish. And when it grabs him, like the
good thing is Leroy at least waspaying attention because he
hears the commotion from the car.

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He goes running. And my daughter, she was
watching the episode with me. She said, I guess he feels fear
now. I was like, I don't know if that
was fear or if it was just he hurt his son.
And he was like, OK, I got to goget to my son.
Because you may not have fear, but that's still your child.
You know you still. I'm sure if they have their
paternal instinct, yeah, it's not, it's not in the same part

(21:41):
of the brain as you. I do wonder, like is it could it
is it possible to have No Fear for your own life, your own
safety, your own mortality, but you fear for other people?
Is that a thing that's is that aseparate thing or?
And I was thinking that too, especially when when his son
starts getting more in danger, how would he feel?

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Yeah. See, I think, I don't know, I
think if it's his fear in general, but like things like
paternal instinct and instinct to paternal.
Fear. Those are all in different parts
of the brain than than the fear part.
So yeah, but I mean, at least healso like when when Will is
trying to tell him because what happens is the clown fish turns

(22:23):
into a hand, pulls him under. He sees a vision of his dad
burned. And when he's telling his dad
about it, he was like, yeah, I saw you.
You wouldn't. You pulled me under.
You were burnt like you was after your plane crash in Korea.
And, you know, his dad is like, hold up, You're not making
sense. And then when he looks at Will's

(22:44):
arms, Will has scratches. And like, he told Halloran later
on, he was like, he was scratched up like an animal that
scratched him. Like, what are we looking for?
I'm glad he thought about that because right when Will is like
there's something bad here in Derry.
He didn't even question it, he said Hold on y'all some weird
shit has been happening since remember?

(23:04):
He's always analyzing and processing, so he quickly put
two and two together. 'Cause he went to go see the
general, he was like, what do you have us looking for out
there? He, he goes to see Halloran.
He's like, what are we looking for?
And Halloran's like, I don't know.
I, I don't know, but Halloran isalso still having his little

(23:28):
visions too. So I at least with Will being
kind of sort of in danger or being on Penny Wise's radar, at
least now you have, you do have a couple of adults who are kind
of aware of what's going on. And like I said in the last
episode, his dad might be the best person for him to discuss

(23:49):
that with. Because if dad has No Fear,
Penny Wise can't really do anything to him.
Like even even after we'll sees them in the the telescope and
Leroy goes outside to try to confront whatever it is.
Whoever he he thinks is watchingthe house, he sees the red
balloon in the tree just like they saw the balloon at the

(24:09):
river earlier that day. He's just looking at it like,
OK, y'all got some weird shit going on.
Yeah. At least at this point, you
know, your son's not lying. You know, he's not exaggerating,
he's not making up, you know, some stuff.
As as an observer in this situation, my concern would be
if Penny Wise finds out this manain't scared of him or or looks

(24:34):
like he's not scared of him, to what extent would he go?
To see. To see if he can make him
scared, that would be my concern.
And it would have to do with Charlotte and Will.
I mean, we know it's not really going to be Will because we know
Will grows up, has a son Mike and and we know Mike grows up.

(24:54):
So we know it's not going to be Will.
But you, you remember I was mentioning, I said they don't
really mention Charlotte and thelosers in the, you know, the
versions of it where we see Miketalk about, you know, we, we
know his grandfather is there, but that's the only family he
has. But we also know it changes over

(25:15):
time, so this version of it may not be as petty as the more
recent version you. You really want, you really want
to say that after March, I thinkhe's very.
No, he's yeah. I think he just fine-tuned the
pity for the other group here. He's just all over the place and
out of control. Yeah, but that, that was my

(25:36):
concern. Like, oh, he's scared of me.
Well, let me see if I can make him scared, you know what I'm
saying? Like what?
To what extent is he going to go?
But you know what? Because I.
Was going to say he may not be scared, but what what he with
me, if he realizes something histargeted his son and his fucking
will, he going to be angry. That's going to be something

(25:58):
that, you know, I don't think Pennywise wants to deal with
either. But yeah, I I was just like that
poor little will because that baby, he'd have been through it.
But I feel like he he would use that anger though 'cause when he
when he used Henry Bowers to come after them when they were

(26:21):
grown cause Henry was still. At.
And what's the place called again?
Juniper Hill. Juniper.
Hill, he was still in Juniper Hill and he was, he was still
mad after all them years, even though he was clearly a little
little gone, but he was, he was like, oh, oh, I'm gonna get
them, you know, he was still like thinking about them kids so
he could use that anger and makehim turn against the wrong

(26:44):
person. Yeah, but it's going to be
interesting to see how that works out because I, I'm kind of
like Anthony, like if, if this man has No Fear, we, we see even
with the, the flashback of the story that we hear later on
about the the monster's origin, he attacked grown, grown people.

(27:10):
Then now I don't know if you know, I think one of you
mentioned it in the last episode.
Maybe his preference turned to children because their, their
fear is more pure. So maybe that's why he targets
children now. But we see that wasn't always
the case. So I don't know at I, I think

(27:31):
Leroy is going to be case study because you don't have fear.
Obviously, you, you can't feel something that's akin to fear
because you worried about your son enough to haul ass and get
into that river and enough to go, you know, see who was
stalking outside your house. Again, that could just be anger,

(27:51):
but that could also be empathy or just love.
Like this is my son. Like I'm not scared, but I don't
want him to. I don't want him to be scared.
Well, however that works, I, I don't know what it's like to do
without fear. I'm scary, so I don't know.

(28:13):
But I, I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens
with him and how this moves forward.
Especially since he has an idea already that there is something
not quite right with dairy because of what the military
has. But also will Pennywise make
that connection and, and what would he do if he does like, oh,

(28:37):
wait, you're the same guy that was flying the plane that was
coming and look for me. And this is your like, will
Pennywise make that connection? And will he do something like on
purpose to try to, I, I don't know, maybe, maybe get rid of

(28:59):
Leroy or he'll try to get rid ofLeroy because, OK, if this man
is not scared of you, then he's a threat to you.
He's a yeah, he's a huge threat.He's a threat, probably the only
threat that's in the town right now, aside from the, aside from
the the Indigenous people and the Indigenous people are just
basically like we know where to stay away from.

(29:21):
Right. You stay on your side.
I stay. On why?
Because what did they what did they say in the story?
They lived in harmony with him. They stayed away from out of his
hunting grounds and he stayed inthe woods because he could.
He couldn't cross because of whatever.
Because they knew. Because.
He wasn't strong enough at that time.
Yeah, and they know his nature too.

(29:42):
Yeah. So I'm sure they, I don't want
to say they do psychological training, but by telling them
the stories and all this stuff and keeping them away from it,
they're, they're kind of prepared.
Mm Hmm. So he can't sneak up on him and
scare him to death. Yeah.
Because they had. Something.
They were ready. For.
Also, you know the one of the things they they also always

(30:05):
say, especially when it comes tolike indigenous people, native,
native people, when they pass down their words, their oral
histories, that does have a kindof its own magic about.
It it does have power. You know, because especially the
way she told them she was like, I want you to repeat the story
like this is not, I, I know I'vementioned this before.
It's, it's not like a game of telephone where you tell

(30:26):
somebody this, they tell somebody this and y'all might
get a few of the details wrong. No, they make sure that they
tell these kids for and that they memorize.
And he said the the elders made us memorize this when we were 7.
And the way that he told that story is almost like he was
reading the book. They made sure they didn't, you

(30:48):
know, they didn't fudge on any of the details or anything.
So in a way, that has its own kind of power because they
believe that story. I remember the the reason why
the Losers Club was able to beathim is because they had
confidence and and knew what he was and was able to face him
down. But he can't.
He doesn't is very it seems likeit it has a problem with that.

(31:13):
Like it has to really scare you and get that fear out of you.
If you can't, then it doesn't really have any power.
So it makes sense that the stories they tell make sure that
they're able to be protected against it.
And then also the conversation that the kids were having when,
you know, again, these are some smart kids because Lily was

(31:36):
like, well, what if there's a way for us, you know, if, if
it's coming after us with fear, you know, Will was like the he
was talking about the fear hormones.
He was like, yeah, adrenaline and cortisol.
He said a lot of a lot of predators when when there's a
lot of that in, in their prey, you know, it kind of excites

(31:57):
them and makes the hunt better for them.
And I was laughing at Ronnie andRich because Ronnie was like,
well, let's assume that. Rich was like, no, I don't want
to assume that. That sounds horrible.
Like why are we going to do that?
Let's just not do that. But I mean, it makes sense for

(32:17):
what we know of of Pennywise andthe way that that it operates.
Yeah. Again, it's going to be
interesting because we know Leroy doesn't have it.
And I, I don't know, maybe 'cause obviously Halloran has,

(32:37):
he has no problem being scared because you can see that it
when, when he saw his grandmother in the woods, he was
clearly scared. She was giving him a warning.
Yeah. You know, So I, I don't know if,
if, if it comes after him while he's with Hamlin, you know, I
guess kind of sort of like it was in the airplane.

(32:58):
But if he comes after him in a more gruesome way, let's say,
like what happened with Marge, like I, I don't know what
handling at that point. Will he still be immune to it or
I'd like. I don't, I don't know how that's
gonna work. I mean, I don't think he'd be

(33:18):
scared. But it's again, what do you, how
do you deal with an enemy that'snot scared of you if you're pain
wise? You don't.
You don't mess with him. You don't.
You just don't. You don't like you don't.
Kind of like Howard said. He was like, yeah, I know not to
mess with you. Right.
I mean, 'cause it. I can't get what I want from

(33:40):
you, so why even bother? Like he's sensing everyone so
I'm not even going to deal with you.
And I also feel like if Dick canpull himself together, he might
be as strong as, if not strongerthan it.
He's got to get over his fear ifhe realizes that it is doing it

(34:04):
psychically and he's like, wait a second, I'm also a psychic and
maybe he can battle it and he probably.
Can't 'cause I don't think it can hurt him as much, even
though he's scared, but I think that's the one thing that's
saving him. And I don't think he was
prepared again, without our preparation.
I don't think he was prepared inthe helicopter because like you

(34:27):
said, like you said last episode, you pointed out he
wasn't. He wasn't supposed to.
He wasn't supposed to see them. Yeah.
It wasn't supposed to be, right?Yeah.
So he just got to get over his his hang ups and, and, and put
his mind to it because, you know, in the Shining, it seems
like he's a pretty powerful psychic.

(34:48):
And even in Doctor Sleep, he's apretty powerful psychic.
So if they're going to go with that universe for this, then he
should be pretty powerful psychic.
OK. Or clairvoyant or whatever you
want to say. Yeah, 'cause I mean, obviously
we know he also makes it out of this, so he's not going to die
in this series. We know that.

(35:09):
No, he just got this out of the dodge.
I mean. I would too.
Maybe that maybe look, maybe that's why we don't see
Charlotte. Maybe Charlotte got got the hell
out of Dodge. Maybe she left.
And maybe for whatever reason, Leroy didn't leave.
Maybe maybe he's not having any fear was a reason for him to
stay. He's like, oh, OK, you know

(35:29):
what? He can't harm me.
At least I can stay here. And I mean, if we, if you think
about it and it, Mike is the onethat stays.
He becomes like kind of sort of a historian.
He becomes the library. He is the one that retains the
memories of the stories of what happened.
Maybe it was, maybe it's similarfor him what the Indigenous

(35:52):
people did. Maybe once what happens here
happens and Leroy is a part of that.
Leroy passes it down. The Will, of course, Will knows
all the stuff because Will is the one who's experiencing it
first hand right now. And maybe they are the ones who
pass it down to Mike and like, hey, somebody has to remember,

(36:13):
just like the Indigenous people.Maybe that's that's maybe that's
the tie with the handlers, because Will is kind of Ground
Zero at this point and Leroy doesn't have the fear factor.
Maybe that's what contributes tothe handling staying there and
that could. I'm curious, I'm curious to see
how much Leroy retains because we know the monster puts the

(36:39):
adults in the fog and even the kids, as they grow older, they
forget what's happening. So.
But I wonder again if that has something to do with if him not
being from dairy will have an effect on that.
Right. And leaving because the kids

(37:00):
forgot because they left. Yeah, but everybody in the town
is like that. Well, they don't don't leave,
but they don't forget it. They gloss it over like they'll
be like, do you remember when you were a kid?
Yeah. I mean, some kids wouldn't
listen, but I think we're all fine.
Yeah, like the. Like they they have an
abnormally high number of children go missing in the.

(37:22):
City away. They ran away.
We never found. That's what the nurse said.
The nurse was like, what was what was it?
She said it was the the depression families, people are
trying to go get food and stuff like they remember, but they
didn't have to. They didn't deal with it because
the people who deal with Penny Wise didn't make it.

(37:43):
So there's a group that wouldn'tknow who he is.
They just know that kids were missing.
No one encountered him and survived.
I guess the reason I'm saying that is why would Leroy, after
all the crap happens, stay? Now that's what we gonna have to
find out 'cause that make no sense where he stays and raised
his family there his. Family.

(38:03):
There. Yeah, that part, I don't know.
That's. That's really You don't have to
have your farm in Maine. You can have your farmer open.
Right, We can go to Florida, I mean Georgia I that is the
that's. What I said question.
Interested to see right and theythey have to find like I don't
know. Does she die the wife, Charlotte

(38:25):
Yale, you know, and they want tostay close to her box.
I thought, I just thought that after that maybe she left after
Will's father died, after Will dies in the fire with his wife.
She left. She'll be old at that point.
Yeah, I'm. I'm saying like maybe she had
been trying to leave, so you might be the person I think like

(38:48):
we need to get out of. Here and then you wouldn't leave
your grandkid there. Well, the way it works.
No, no dancing people do leave. Come on now, but and especially
given this character but this character that yeah.
And people do leave doing it because on it Part 2.
Unless I give her the benefit of.

(39:08):
That but it part. What she might be there She.
Might be there. Yeah, now she miss Nosy.
Now, we do admit that, but I didn't say she was not a bad
parent. She's trying to.
But then again, she could the only we only saw we only saw
Leroy for a brief moment, so it's possible that she could

(39:29):
have just been at the. Farm, yeah, but the.
But the question is not about Charlotte.
The question is why do you stay?Why stay?
That's what. I was asking why.
That's and they have to make that really good and people do
leave because you have it like it it too.
The couple, the guy was from Dairy, and he's bringing his

(39:50):
partner to Dairy for the carnival, for the fair.
So that means they didn't live there, they just came home.
Yeah. But ultimately, if you encounter
Pennywise, you don't live so well.
It's not like you. You got a losers club that that.

(40:12):
Yeah, that happened to And then they all left except for Mike,
and he remembered that he studied.
Yeah, 'cause once they put him back down for 20 something
years, they had a break so they could.
Yeah, but big is different 'cause that's not, that's not
like he's not from dairy and he's been seeing the world like
that all his life. So.

(40:36):
So yeah, look, we have four moreepisodes in this first season,
so maybe some of that will get answered because I think the
second season, third season, they're going further back in
the past, right? So.
So we gotta find out at what happens with Leroy and Charlotte
them in this season at least. Yeah.
'Cause we had to be in their time period for Season 2.

(41:00):
I know we better. They better not play no games.
Yeah. Leave us hanging.
Right, 'cause no, I don't, I don't think they would do that
because why would you make this family so prominent?
Like you're literally putting them, all three of them have
their hands in this Pennywise puzzle, even if it's kind of

(41:20):
like just adjacent, they're all in there.
So, yeah, you can't make them that important or that central
to the story and then just kind of drop it, not without having a
full riot and people abandoning the show.

(41:41):
So, So yeah, I guess we we may find out because that that would
be interesting. Like I really want to see how
Pennywise handles a person like Leroy who, who doesn't feel, who
doesn't have any fear and, and what do you do after that?
Because something tells me if ifyou have this one person that is

(42:05):
not affected by you, has No Fearabout you for something like
Pennywise, Pennywise don't like being foiled.
We see, we know that he doesn't like people getting, you know,
over on him or one upping him. So you got to think there's
going to be something, there's going to be some kind of

(42:26):
consequence to it. Not that Leroy is doing it on
purpose. It just happens to be what
happens. But there's gonna be some kind
of reckoning and they unfortunately, it may be
Charlotte. Yeah, Which maybe Charlotte I
really would hate. I really hate it if they kill
her man. 'Cause.

(42:49):
So I don't know. I'm wearing that.
I feel like she she does bring something.
Yeah. That's needed.
Somebody need to question this shit.
Right, right, right. You know, just don't go in your
child's drawers in the back, underneath, on the side, take to

(43:12):
the What are these? Pictures.
That are not nudie pictures, they're not disgusting pictures,
they're not weird they're just statues I'm.
Sorry you you go digging for dirt but witch can find dirt.
Dirt kind of like she kind of like what she found when she
went to go visit Hal Grogan. So let's talk about Hal Grogan
for a minute. Anthony, you were you were kind

(43:35):
of hinting in the last episode that you figured out what Grogan
was doing before you saw this episode.
Was it what you? Was it what you thought it?
Was exactly what I thought it was, the exact 'cause they gave
no indication that he was like adrug addict or anything.
Right now this dude was hanging out with some some.

(43:56):
He was probably with some white chick.
I want to guess she was married.And for a minute I was thinking
that's who it was. Lily's mom is what I was
originally thinking. Oh.
Oh. But she, she but.
But I, I I tossed that. I tossed that idea.
But yeah, I figured that's what it was.
Because what? What?

(44:18):
That is the only thing that a black man at that time period
would not admit to or say to anybody.
No, because Dina and I was thinking he might have been
seeing another man. He could have been.
Something else? No, he if it was another black
man, why do they? They don't care about that.

(44:38):
Y'all fooling around with each other, who cares about that?
Nah at the time. Now there's, I mean, not not as
much as him messing around with a with a white woman, but.
If they would have made fun of him, they would have told
everybody in the town, but they would not have cut his balls off
and lynch them from a tree. Through.
That that is not the same kind of fear, embarrassment and shame

(45:01):
is not the same as fearing for your life.
Oh. No, I get that.
Those are two totally different things.
So yeah, of course a black man at the time, no man at the time
would admit that they were gay because they would be
embarrassed and shamed, right? But no black man at that time
period would ever admit to beingwith a white woman, much much

(45:23):
less self married white woman. Yeah, yeah.
Come on. Out that 'cause that was wild.
Yeah, 'cause when? 'Cause both of them be dead,
yeah. She was like.
No, she was like. A married woman, like not just
married. I was like.
He was like beat her, but she would be dead.
But now the question is, who is the husband?

(45:44):
Who is it? Yeah, just who is it, period.
Who is it? Not the captain.
Oh God. Hopefully not the captain.
Oh, that would put. Some bets on that.
Who it is really, put some. Bets on, right I mean.
Not the one, it's the captain's wife.
I mean. Who's not the one?
Yeah, I was going to say we we haven't really met anybody in

(46:07):
the town except for the captain,the general, maybe a couple of
the military guys, but but nobody that it would I, I don't
know, nothing. Nobody would be like Oh my God,
except for. Except for Chief Bowers, I mean.
And maybe I mean if if if her, but she'll.

(46:35):
Be kind of old, wouldn't she 'cause she's.
Well, it depends 'cause they shedidn't have to be, 'cause he oh,
you know that, you know that andyou know.
That they never. Got to.
Be the same age. You're right, especially at that
time. Yeah, that's true.
She. Could be a OK, but.

(46:57):
But also just, you know, 'cause if we 'cause that's supposed to
be, is that Henry Bauer's granddaddy or his daddy is?
Granddaddy. I think that's his.
It's his granddaddy. He'll be his granddad right
'cause he's about their age and the he's.
About their age, yeah. Oh, that's right.
Yeah. The losers club age.

(47:18):
Yeah. So yeah, everybody.
'S got history of remember, there's gonna be like a history
of like that black man slept with my grandma and then my
grandparents got I mean, that would explain why Henry Bowers
is racist, I mean. Racist, right?
It it would explain, but yeah. Oh my God, yeah.

(47:45):
That that would be interesting, but I mean, but either way it
goes. I mean he how got a problem now,
because you can't say where you were.
You know, obviously your alibi shot 'cause I was really your
Mama was so adamant about the fact that you was there.
I really thought that you was there and I guess Mama thought

(48:05):
it too. But like you said, Mama was
probably asleep. Read her Bible and.
Right, she doesn't know in and out that house.
Both of them was out the house now that she didn't even know
she. Said I thought he was in his.
Room right and obviously thoughtRonnie was in hers too when she
was at the theater showing showing a a weird move it to

(48:29):
friends while they're getting torn apart so.
And then her dad thought she washome with with granny.
The granny ain't paying to nobody.
It's 10:00. Do you know where your children
are? In the room, did you go check?
Can you check where your? Young children and your grown
children are 'cause obviously, Mama Grogan, don't.

(48:55):
Oh, so no, here's the thing. OK, so maybe it's not the chief,
'cause I was just thinking he seems to work days.
Yeah, he went over to the house and it was 11:00-ish or whatever
time it was. OK, so whoever it is has to work
overnight. So that's why I thought it was

(49:16):
Lily's mom but. But she she doesn't have a
husband. But maybe they were doing it
like when he was still alive, maybe.
No, no, because recent. Yeah, because he but the husband
has to has to have the night job.
That's what you said. Right, like 'cause that he's

(49:36):
sneaking over to see her at night, so the husband has to
work overnight. Captain Captain's at the bar or
his pre seat, but that's that's.Well, he, yeah, I mean, I mean,
he could very well be working late, but it seems like he's
always there, mostly during the day.
Yeah, but he's here at night. He had the bar, remember?
He go and get his balls in. Yeah, but.

(49:57):
That's pushing it though. Like you just know he going to
be at the bar all night long. And she said she could be at
Bridge. I don't know.
No, I don't know. Well, I guess it also depends on
where he goes when he meets her to be honest, because.
Right, because I was going to say one, you're in a small town.
Yeah. So you are a black man with a
white woman that if y'all are out in public anywhere that's

(50:20):
going to be noticeable. Well, he's smoking cigarettes in
the alley, is he? He waiting for 'cause that's
that's where he was with her. Well, then what they doing
that's. Where they found the cigarettes?
Wow. I mean, you know, some people.
Hit it in the alley if that. If they got nowhere else to go,
so. It didn't quit it in the alley,
right? Or or something I.

(50:43):
Mean obviously he not taking it to the theater.
Right. Well, at least that part.
We know that. Right.
At least that and so I guess it could be could be.
Poor enough where she's like it,but you know, they the husband
works at somewhere overnight andthen they have like a little
apt, a little something little building or something they can

(51:03):
go to. So I don't know but it just
don't seem worth it whatever he doing.
It's love. 'Cause you he he never said
love, he just said I was with a woman.
Then he said it just happened so.
Wait a minute, like it it just happened?

(51:24):
Like we didn't. A night in the alley, yeah.
It's just, it just sort of happened.
Our relationship just kind of came from like, you know,
talking about movies. Anybody family into movies?
Maybe they taught that the movietheater.
Maybe we need to go back to the first episode.
There might be a hint or a clue.Good.

(51:46):
Point. Yeah, I mean, I see now Anthony
got me thinking about Lily's mombecause I don't know when Ronnie
remember, Ronnie came to the house to go off on Lily and the
mom was like, you need to get out of here.

(52:06):
What did she do? She called granny.
She was like, you better get outof here before I call your
grandmother. How you you got her grandmother
on speed dial like her? Like Lily and Ronnie literally
just met. So unless she has well, I mean,
they have the white pages back, man, but you just gonna say I'm

(52:27):
a call your grandmother you so you know the number.
Like, I don't know. Now I'm starting to think,
Anthony, it might be. And she work nights, she knows
what she's doing during those nights.
And. She might not be working every
night. And.
She would and they go to the. Alley well, not only that too,

(52:48):
but also she could be the one panicking when Ronnie is there
because she knows oops, they gothim in jail because they think
he did this. But I can't say anything because
they'll she could be thinking the same thing too and Ronnie
showing up at her doorstep mighthave panicked her.
I'm, I'm gonna have to go back and look at that episode now to
see that interaction between herand.

(53:10):
See now y'all y'all thinking like me now that's good I like
that y'all see what I see. Because you got to, you got to
wonder when he says he's messingaround with a married woman and
it's a married white woman. Like Charlotte wouldn't even say
it out. She had to whisper like, so it's
one of those things where you start thinking, OK, let's see

(53:33):
who can fit the bill cuz we don't see most of the younger
white people that we've seen in the town have always been
walking with a boyfriend or husband.
In the background, yeah. Yeah, in the background, the
only other prominent white womanthat we've seen is the the hoity
toity older woman, and I'm sorrythat just don't seem like house

(53:54):
tight and she don't seem like the type who would cuz she's the
one that's looking at them like.Doesn't, doesn't Lily's Mama
smoke? Oh.
I know at that time I don't know.
She she take pills though. Yeah, she definitely.
Yeah. We gotta get to that.
We take pills. Yeah.

(54:17):
OK, so maybe she taking pills inthe back alley, I don't know.
I mean, she might, she might have to if she look, she knows
she doing wrong, she might have to in order to ease her anxiety,
right? Mommy's little helper indeed.
But so I guess since we're talking about the pills, let's
let's get to the pills 'cause I gotta talk, we gotta talk about

(54:41):
Marge, cause boy, first of all. OK, I'm not.
I'm not one to wish harm on children, no.
Of course not. I'm not.
But Marge, you set yourself up. She might.
Have got what she deserved. What she did, just a little.
Bit. She did just a.

(55:02):
Little bit, just a little bit. Yeah, But, you know, Dina and I
was having this conversation again before we started
recording. And I we were thinking about
that because she was saying that, you know, Lily was in the
bathroom stall and she was kind of oblivious to what was going
on. And it was kind of like, OK,
Pennywise was ignoring her because March was already

(55:25):
exhibiting kind of fear because she was scared to tell Lily the
truth. She was trying to confess to
Lily that, hey, I know I told you this guy like you, but I was
setting you up because they're going to bear, you know, the
Patty cakes are going to use himto embarrass you.
And she was a part of that. She was scared.
And Pennywise fed on that scare.But at the same time, I was
thinking, I said he didn't go after Lily because in that

(55:47):
moment, Lily was happy. She she had nothing to fear.
She. Oh yeah, she was.
I can't believe. She likes me.
She was so how Amber. Yeah, he probably couldn't even.
I don't I don't know how this works with him.
Like maybe he senses the fear and made.
So maybe if she was that happy, he didn't even notice she was

(56:08):
there. See, I always feel like he just
monitors them looking for a moment.
And in his monitoring of Lily, he's like, oh, what?
What we got going on over here? Yeah.
And he just kind of. And she just kind of perked his
interest because she was alreadyin the heightened state of fear.
You mean March? Yeah, March.

(56:30):
So he's monitoring Lily, waitingfor a moment, and then something
pops up on his radar and he seesMarch is like, oh, here's a
tasty snack. And he directs his attention to
her. I don't even think it's just
Lily. I think he monitors them all
because other kids are missing. We just don't.

(56:50):
We just not in their story. Yeah.
He's monitoring all the kids, but he's he was paying
particular attention to Lily 'cause she looks like she's
going to be a real tasty snack when he's done with her.
Yeah, that poor baby. And she tends to attract scary
people, too. Yeah, yeah.
But the the whole thing with Mars, first of all, the eyes

(57:14):
thing, because when you're when you're listening to the
classroom lecture and he's talking about the snails in the
eyes. It was like, why they showing us
this? I should have known.
I should have known. I should have known, But when,
when Marge's eyes start bulging out and she starts having the
issues and she runs out. Lily, of course, you know, she

(57:36):
is taking some of her pills, hermom's pills, and giving them to
the other three because she was like, yeah, you know, my mom
says anytime she gets scared of stress, she takes these.
And it just, it's like her, her,her worries float away.
So she's trying to take her pillwhen she hears Marge panicking
because she has figured out she's like, OK, it's he or she's

(57:59):
like, whatever you see, don't look at it.
She doesn't realize that it's literally messing with Marge's
eyes. But she tries to take the pill
and she drops it into the toiletand at one point you see her
trying to go for the pill in thetoilet.
And my daughter was like, no, don't do that.
She better not do that. I said no.
I said, believe me, the stuff that Pennywise has shown this

(58:20):
little girl already, she's probably.
She's going to dig in there. In the toilet.
Right, right, right. If I don't care, I need the
peel. I need the peel.
Me for even 60 seconds. I will take that 60 seconds of
bliss rather. Than this fear.
But of course, you know, once Marge runs out the bathroom, she

(58:42):
follows her. Marge goes into the shop
classroom of all. Places, well, she for a reason.
It was only door that was unlocked, yeah.
Also, she wanted to cut her ass.Now she.
She needed the equipment. She yeah, yeah.
But I, I don't think that was her intent.
She was just trying. I think she may have been trying

(59:03):
to find someone to help her. I don't think even think she was
just, she was just trying to figure out what was going on.
Like why are my eyes? No, she she went straight
forward. She went straight for self harm.
Sorry everyone. I do feel, I do wonder because I
was like, how bad was it hurting?
Or was it just because it was the place that she had the
biggest issue with herself, withher looks and.

(59:25):
Or with the eyes. Was it just painful or was it
just Oh my God I look terrible? I think probably the pain
because I mean, the way that they the way that they show it,
it's like her eyeball balls are coming out.
That's got to hurt it. I'm I mean because wondering
like. It I say it's both because from

(59:45):
the beginning she is self-conscious about her eyes.
Very self-conscious about her eyes.
She is that's the reason why I even freaked her out in the get
go 'cause she's always adjusting.
I mean, it's her eyes. Her eyes is what and people
right? And people talk about how big
her eyes are. They probably don't talk about

(01:00:06):
it. But for a person who have big
eyes, I know. So it's like that's a constant
talking about. That's the issue she has.
So between the pain and also that is the one thing I can't
stand. Is Lily out the here?
Oh my. Gosh, she, she tries to, she
picks up the, she picks up a, a tool and she's literally trying

(01:00:29):
to cut it. I I don't know what she thought
she was doing, but she was, I don't know if she thought maybe
it was a growth, maybe it was some attached.
I don't, I don't know if she wasaware that these were her actual
eyes that she was going to be digging in.
I I think she was just so far gone at that point and probably
just so in pain. She was just like, what is this
panic? Yeah, and, and she tries to

(01:00:53):
gouge her eye out and that doesn't work.
And then she sees the fucking table saw.
I was like, she is not about to.Yep, she sure is.
And she puts her face on the thing and she's trying to saw
off her eyeballs. And Lily walks and she gets into
the classroom just as this is happening.

(01:01:13):
She grabs Marsh, throws her on the ground.
Marge is still trying to do whatever.
She grabs the tool again and she's trying to literally cut
her eyeball out. And I was just looking at this
like this. I was like, literally get off
her, get off her, get off her. This is not what you want.
This is not what you want. And.
Literally as soon as she grabs the tool to try to get Marsh to

(01:01:35):
stop, she's got the bloody tool in her hand like this and
everybody wants. It that makes me laugh in.
Classroom. I was just like her.
He didn't have to do anything toher.
He fucked her up right here. He just made sure she was going
to get another one way ticket toJuniper Hill where he would be

(01:01:58):
able to mess with her the whole time.
But you know. How's she going to get out of
this? How's she going to get out of
this? Yeah, Marge would literally have
to. Tell that it that it wasn't her,
that I did it to myself. Marge was not her.
Yeah, because. That's the only way.
Because she took she took the tool out of Martha's hand.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
But she's always saying the other thing about the Juniper

(01:02:22):
Hill thing that kind of bugs me.I don't feel like something
ain't right about that nurse. It's not actually Michelle.
That's it. I don't like her.
Something right with her. Something's not right with her.
It's not a rat chicken. I'm.
Kidding. Yeah.
And see, that's the problem. That's what I think of.

(01:02:43):
So, no, because one, I when whenLily meets with you to tell you
what's going on, like, and to find out, hey, have these
disappearances happened before and stuff like that, you are way
too calm to talk to her. And you are just a nurse.
You're not a doctor, You're not a psychiatrist.

(01:03:04):
You're, I don't know, just the way that she was with her.
She was like, yeah, we had some disappearances, but it was this
like she was kind of explaining it away.
And then she was like, oh, nothing like what you said.
But you know what? That's no excuse for you not to
continue digging around and finding some shit.
What? I got Pennywise vibes for her.

(01:03:27):
That, you know, I was wondering that too.
I was like, either Penny Watts is influencing her or she, she's
just a regular human and something right, 'cause when she
was sitting there and she reached over and she grabbed her
hand, I was like, no, no, no. Something just don't seem right.

(01:03:51):
And I don't know if that's if that'll play in the next episode
because of course, like I said, right now, they're they're going
to either lock Lily up or they're going to send her back
to Juniper Hill. They'll probably send her back
to Juniper Hill. Because now you know, you've had
you've had your first visit after your dad died.
You, you had your second visit after the pickle incident.

(01:04:13):
You just went to the police station and told them that you
were being chased by ghosts of your dad, friends in the
cemetery. And now you are like hunched
over one of your friends with a weapon in her eyes.
And you know, the police chief already kind of put it out there
that, well, if Hal Grogan didn'tdo it, then maybe people might

(01:04:36):
say that you did it 'cause you were with them and blah, blah,
blah. And now you literally are are
caught in a situation where it looks like you were trying to
kill another child, another friend of yours.
So I don't know, I feel like if March doesn't say anything, if
they put her back in Juniper Hill, the nurse can either say,

(01:04:58):
well, you know, she did come to me and ask me about this, but I
don't think that would look goodfor her either because it's
going to be like, why are you asking me about dead children
right before you quote UN quote attack another child.
I don't know something about that nurse.
Just don't sit right with me. She real sketchy.

(01:05:19):
What are y'all watching in the background?
March I I can tell cause 'cause the way y'all's faces are
looking I was like they must be watching Marge in the
background. Yeah, I'll be back to see if
Marge had tried to open any doors now.
She went straight to the shop. And then she really freaked out
when she saw herself in the mirror.
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she did.

(01:05:40):
Yeah, Oh my gosh. I mean.
I'm like you, Anthony. I don't wanna wish harm.
But again, we're talking about fictional characters, so I don't
feel quite that bad. Because she was.
She's a horrible character. She's.
Horrible. Like.
And to be fair, I get it there. She's just a bad friend.
Who get picked on to the extent where they feel like they gotta

(01:06:01):
do that because they're so tiredof being picked on.
They're so tired of being in thebutt of the joke.
They feel like they gotta push but like that's the thing, you
should never turn against peoplewho you feel are less than you
are less fortunate or less popular.
Or who you've been best friends with since the 1st.
Grade to make yourself better, because like that it never pays
off. That's just stupid to do that.

(01:06:22):
It just never pays off. It's never a good thing to do,
but that's what happens these kids when they're bullied, then
they start being a bully, especially if they get popular.
And you know what? That's why I had no problems
with 11 hitting Angela in the face with the escape.
It's stranger to see things for.Oh I thought she was going to
say something about Lucas cause Lucas was on that path.

(01:06:46):
About being being a bully. Yeah, yeah, I could.
I could see it was. It football.
Basketball. Basketball, basketball.
But but I was kind of like, you know, I think kind of symbol.
I do kind of sympathize with Marge.
I understand that and we will address that comment later.

(01:07:07):
I just need to stop because he wasn't no low key.
He was doing it for everyone. But we will carry on, but we
will talk after this recording. Uh.
Oh, Anthony, you in trouble? I had the process.
I'm like, he is talking about myoh, no, we will.
No, we will talk about that. No.

(01:07:29):
But, but I, you know, I will, this is the, this is the way I,
I kind of feel about this whole March situation.
Like, yes, I do feel like March in a lot of ways.
She is also a victim because like you said, when, when you're
being bullied, especially with that kind of power structure in
that day and age, like you really are trying to stay afloat

(01:07:52):
and you already like you're already walking the line because
everyone knows that your so-called best friend is a
looney. You know, she, she belongs in
the loony band supposedly because of everything that she's
been through. So you're trying to walk, you're
trying to tow the fence. I I get it.

(01:08:13):
I guess the problem that I have is just that you already know
your friend is going through some shit.
Yeah, that's really. And you just don't have the the
like Lily, look for society, youknow, Scooter, Paddy case.
I don't care about them. I got more important things to
worry about. Because she do.
And this is somebody who everybody else thinks doesn't

(01:08:35):
have, you know, she's got to lose her, her screws, little
she, she ain't got it all together, but she's the one that
can stand up for him. You can at least say, you know
what, I'm not going to do this because that's my friend, right?
But she did it. Now she got to pay for it.
So my question is, when are the other two Patty cakes going to

(01:08:57):
get what they got coming to them?
Because they are the instigatorsand I I have a feeling like
they're probably going to start being scared now because now you
don't pushed you don't push the crazy girl to the point where
you think now she has she has attacked the person that you
sent to to betray her. Y'all got to be worried now so

(01:09:19):
you you're giving Pennywise fresh fresh bait.
But I, I'm kind of like, I mean,you see my screen name, She had
it coming at. She had it coming.
Yes, that's exactly what I was. Coming because I was like, you
know what? I don't, I don't want her to
die. I know I said it a couple

(01:09:39):
episodes ago, I don't want her to die, but I did feel like she
needed to be humble however. She needed something, yeah.
I was not expecting it to be something like this, but OK, It
is what it is. You were doing some bullshit and
you had bullshit done to you. Like we said, Pennywise can be
petty, but now it's kind of like, and all of that now Lily

(01:10:05):
is back in trouble. She's, you know, she's going to
be back in Juniper Hill. And then you have your friends,
Ronnie, Will and Rich come in and they see what's going on.
Now, I'm sure they they probablyfigured out that has to do with
this thing. But again, they can't go tell
anyone because they're already on the radar as Oh, OK, y'all

(01:10:28):
one, y'all are hanging with the crazy girl.
Yeah, y'all went to the police station and said some crazy
stuff. So.
They can't even open their mouths to to defend her at this
point. Yeah.
So now she's going to be in Juniper Hill scared, alone and

(01:10:49):
with that crazy nurse, 'cause I'm sorry, that something
something right about that nurse.
I just, I don't think Lily is going to make it through the
season. I just don't see it happening.
And if she does, like I'm sitting here trying to remember,
like maybe she was, maybe she was a patient in Juniper Hill in

(01:11:10):
the original it. I don't remember because, again,
it's been so long since I've read the book.
Yeah, I don't, but. Never, not anything.
I just things don't look good for her.
Like Pennywise left her alone this episode and still got her.
Yeah, just. And and like I told Dina, OK, So

(01:11:32):
what they were talking about today, they they were talking
about the fact that, you know, Maddie was seeing strange things
before he disappeared or died. So did Phil.
So did Teddy. You know, again, we Susie was
just collateral damage. The question is, why hasn't he

(01:11:53):
eaten Lily yet? It's not like she hasn't had the
opportunity. It's.
Not enough, maybe because she's the thing that's drawing in the
others. She and think about it, she is
the she is the common denominator out of all of the
friends. Right, right.
And really, if we start really paying attention to her fear
factor, it's not, it's not how meat's not juicy enough right

(01:12:18):
now. Because she's not because she
knows what's going on, right, 'cause like literally even
before, even when she heard Marty in the, in the pipes, like
she had the, the forefront to goand talk to someone about it.
Other kids are hearing people inpipes and they're freaking out.

(01:12:40):
And she's like, this is interesting.
Like, 'cause she probably, I'm sorry, she probably have heard
and seen some things. Well, when we got the pan
through at Jennifer Hill and youcan hear people screaming in the
background, people sobbing off to the side, I get.
Yeah. I mean, I guess she's not
really. You're right.

(01:13:01):
She hasn't, really. She's been really afraid.
She's the person who's. Drawing them in for him, even
though she, I don't she's not aware she's doing it.
But like Michelle said, she's the one that's not, not so
scared that she's not telling people.
She's going and telling people. She's telling her friends and
and telling her friends. Her friends are being drawn into

(01:13:23):
this. So she's literally adding to the
plate. She's adding to the buffet tray.
Right, It's it's two of them because Ronnie, Ronnie is the
same way. Like, she did freak out with her
mom, you know, giving birth on the bed and all.
But she's also both of them are like, Ronnie is just her.
She has anger. Yeah, too.

(01:13:45):
So she's holding back the fear. Yeah.
They're. They're not ready yet.
They like Cornish hens. He wants the turkeys.
Yeah, so like, like I said, I feel like the other two Patty
cake girls. Hey, this is a Friday night, you
know. Well, probably.
They will probably be next on the list.

(01:14:07):
And then like I said earlier, wehaven't seen riches.
He hasn't started experiencing any of any of the visions or
anything yet, so I have a feeling he's going to be next
now. I think he might be difficult
too because he already has something he can put in, like he

(01:14:29):
has an ID. He, he would be like the
indigenous people where he has, he has a category, he can place
it like, oh, I know what this is.
So he won't be as afraid like they got him in the cemetery.
But he was just thinking, OK, well, maybe it actually worked,

(01:14:52):
you know what I mean? And so he has a place to put it
to, to place it. And like everyone else who they
don't have an idea so it's freaking them out.
Yeah, yeah. And then I know we mentioned
this earlier in the the season, like the first episode or
something. Do do we still think the turtle
charm has anything to do with why Lily is not being affected

(01:15:15):
as or why he's not coming after her as much?
Maddie. 'S charm.
I think those are just Easter eggs.
I don't think so. OK, so, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
like I said, I feel like she's, he realized that she's the thing
that's probably drawing people in and he's like, Oh yeah, I'm,
I'm going to keep using her because now, you know, she was

(01:15:36):
friends with Maddie. She was, she became friends very
briefly with Teddy and Phil, butit was because of what she told
them that, you know, like once she told them what happened and
what she saw or, you know, with Maddie, remember, it was
literally the day after that Teddy had his vision, You know,

(01:16:01):
I so, yeah, I she could be the thing that's just drawing
everything. You know, think about it.
Ronnie would have never been involved if she if they hadn't
said, oh, yeah. Well, you know, nobody, nobody,
we told you nobody was going to believe you talking about the
pipes. And Ronnie's like, oh, wait,
hold up, talk about that. This is her drawing Ronnie.

(01:16:23):
And she's already got 10 feelingnow she's got Ronnie.
Ronnie, you know, because of everything that they're going
through. She goes back to Ronnie.
Ronnie's like, oh, OK. Well, you know, we can bring in
Will. He can help us.
Will brings in, I mean, not with.
Yeah, Ronnie brings in Will for the camp.
I was going to say Ronnie was hearing voices in the pipes.

(01:16:45):
Yeah. So he was already coming from
Rodney before she even hooked upwith them.
I'm telling you, he has. He puts out feelers every other
day. If he wasn't, he was going to
get to the other two. Boys, he was going to without
anybody, 'cause he got, he got Marty.

(01:17:05):
I mean, like, would Ronnie have said anything about the voices
if she didn't overheard them? She was.
And, and no, but I'm just sayingI'm we took independently, we
took out Pennywise. He's been putting out feelers,
though. 'Cause he, yeah, she hasn't
reacted differently to the voices she was hearing in the
pipes. She may have been a target

(01:17:26):
eventually at some point. She probably.
Whether or not she was going to meet Lily and talk to them.
About and I think the boys will.Already hearing voices in the
pipes. Because The thing is, he's going
to try different things. If a kid is not successful to
it, again, I move on, 'cause shecould have been like, oh, I must
be imagining and, and ignored it.

(01:17:47):
And, and then he would have wenton to the next kid in the
neighborhood and figure out you,you see what I'm saying?
Like the reason he's getting thekids some kids and not others is
1. There's some susceptible to it
and he's trying different thingsand there's some that be like,
oh, that's nothing. But then it was something I read
that he comes in different ways.So I can't think of the

(01:18:08):
character. Then you'll have to help me.
But the guy who was friends to the crazy guy who killed his dad
and went to the. Oh, the one that he was there
seeing when he was in the he wasseeing him.
He was dead, but he was seeing him when he when Pennywise came

(01:18:29):
to him in the Crazy House. That's Harry Bowers, right?
No, no, his friend. He's somebody friend.
His friend who end up being likehis sidekick with Dad.
I can't. Remember.
But when he was a kid and then it was said like Pennywise
couldn't scare him because he was a psychopath kid because he
like burned animals and and he liked disturbing things.

(01:18:53):
So instead of scaring him, he brought them in by showing him
disturbing things. And that pulled that sucked him
in. And then he then he turned it on
them and then the fear happened.But to get him, he couldn't
scare him, but he just 'cause hewas crazy.
So he's just showed him things. So like he's trying different
stuff with different kids to seewhich one catches the bait and

(01:19:15):
which don't. Which is wild.
But he got lucky when they were all together like this is like.
Christmas and y'all are summoning me like.
No, I'm talking about the the movie theater.
Like, whoa, I have. I am giving me an appetizer, A

(01:19:39):
entree and a dessert. Yeah.
All in one evening. Yeah.
Sweet beer, baby. Yummy.
But why didn't he get them in the cemetery?
They wasn't ready. Yeah, 'cause the two boys just

(01:19:59):
figured out they were some freaking ghosts.
So they were. Like, oh, this, this is real,
this. Is real so OK I I'm scared.
Now, Yeah, and obviously, I meanthey were scared, but not too
scared. They were still sitting there
trying to take them pictures. Yeah, 'cause if you.
Really scared you. You ain't worried about no
camera. Like forget a picture, forget

(01:20:21):
the camera, forget those girls, forget those girls.
We going home. Yeah.
That part, yeah, like you all myfriends, but we just met though,
right? I was going to say we didn't
even technically friends at thispoint, like, oh, OK, we we've
known each other for maybe a couple of days at this point so

(01:20:42):
yeah, but well, I guess we have to see.
But I mean, he got Marge good. So yeah, he did.
He did. Well, poor Lily.
Because that is not what she needed right now.
Like you, you literally went from being so happy and now
you're just like, Oh my God, everybody thinks I tried to kill

(01:21:02):
my friend. No, I'm like yes baby, yes, yes
and your. Friends can't do nothing to help
you out. Has everyone no witnesses?
Right. Well, not only that, you you
tell the principal and everybodyelse, Oh no, she's being haunted
by a evil spirit or something. They're going to be in the rooms

(01:21:23):
at Juniper Hill right next to her, and that's not going to
help nobody. They don't have a luxury suite.
Right. They can't they can't help
Ronnie's dad. It's stay out of Shawshank that
way. They can't help Lily get out of
Juniper Hill that way. And then they'll make themselves

(01:21:46):
a sitting target 'cause they aregoing to be scared.
At that point. You go to the you go to the
loony band where they do lobotomies, and they do.
Like. Shock.
Treatment, yeah, no. Which is insane.
Right. But I tell you.

(01:22:07):
Speaking of insane, Mr. Dick Kelleran is trying to Burrow his
wig inside somebody's head. Listen.
Oh my God, He in there. He did.
Oh, man. But brother man, you think that
was him at the end? Yeah.

(01:22:28):
I think it was, but that was some creepy.
That was creepy. I I don't.
I think that it's a piggyback. Oh, you think that Pennywise is
was listening to the now? What you do now?
Where? Where are the stones?
You see that? Where where the stones at?
You know what? And now that.

(01:22:48):
'Cause I need the stones to be removed, right?
I can move forth in the world. Yeah.
And me and him in the same headspace the.
Attorney was the smile. Yeah.
So where the stones are again? That smile was weird.
It was right because Dick don't smile like that all the time.
You see him smile like that whenthey drinking in their little

(01:23:10):
club. But again let's talk about these
visions because they're not saying the last episode.
Y'all need to stop with the damnrunning man.
How many? Like how many different run
running creatures did we see? In this video.
You you had zombies, you had thefake priest that that grew 3

(01:23:33):
sizes and I I can't do with the creepy runs.
OK, so let's let's talk about the dragon glass.
Oh my God, that is exactly what it is.
I'm sitting in dragon glass. I'm why do we go into the thing

(01:23:54):
and we take out a little bit? Y'all should take it out as much
as you can. We were moving fast, now we were
moving fast. We didn't have time.
The first time we talking about when the first ancestors came
and they took the one shot. But you know what?
Probably because back then that one shot was enough to keep him

(01:24:17):
contained. Because again, he wasn't strong.
He didn't get strong until the white man came in and he he was
able. To.
Follow them. He had a.
Food in a buffet so. Yeah, but I'm I'm like you and
now I would have been like, why didn't we just do this from the

(01:24:37):
beginning? Just get a whole bunch of
shards, maybe not do the whole thing that they did because
because the way that they temporarily fixed the problem,
it was a good thing. Like they closed off the whole
woods with the shards and they were like, OK, this is how we're
going to keep them contained. But my thing was I was tripping
because when he got to the part of the story, he was like, they

(01:25:02):
went back and got some of the sharks, not to kill the monster
the the the galoo, but to trap it.
Why the hell are we not killing it?
Why? Why?
But then I, I started thinking Iwas like, OK, it could be a
spiritual thing. And, you know, they could be
like, OK, you know what? We're not going to take his life
if we have a way to contain it without it harm, without us

(01:25:25):
harming it, You know, just like the, I mean, the words were very
important. He was like, they lived in
harmony with the beast. So I, I think that probably was
the kicker. They were like, OK, if we can
contain it without actually destroying it or without killing
it, without tainting our souls by killing it, then we can do

(01:25:48):
that. But you know, once he got the
chief old girl was like, oh, youkilled my Mama.
I'm done. We got to do something.
I mean, I think she would have killed it if if it didn't run
away. And then they were like,
everybody was like, OK, we just don't contain them.
We're going to keep them here. But obviously that's not working

(01:26:08):
much because we see he's been coming out bit by bit.
He's stronger so those sharks can't still be in in in place.
Or is it because the military isdigging around?
Well, they said that they were buried.
They, she said. They buried them really, really
deep. Put them in different things.

(01:26:30):
So yeah. So I'm thinking they're they
haven't been disturbed yet, 'cause think about it, even to
in this timeline or in this universe to present day, it's
still there. Yeah.
Like he has not left there. Did did they did?
I can't remember if they showed.Is that force still the same?

(01:26:53):
The same now as big. 'Cause I think that's the city.
I think that's where the city. That's where they actually,
that's what I was thinking. That was what that's what I was
about to say, 'cause I feel like'cause they, I know, like they
were saying like it's it's dairy, but it's also surrounding
areas near dairy. It's not just dairy, but it's
surrounding like that whole surrounding area near dairy.
So I was just wondering like, sohe clearly got past a certain

(01:27:15):
barrier. Yeah.
Or his whatever overtime got past a certain barrier.
So maybe the more they dug up and the more they start doing
stuff, the more he was able to spread a little further out.
Yeah, maybe. Maybe 'cause that's I'm.
Thinking they could, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, 'cause I
think they said so this is the Idon't rewatch stuff.

(01:27:39):
So I feel like they said they they got with other tribes to do
it as well. So I think the barriers further
out than just the city of Derry.But then.
That makes sense. But then she mentions something
about the fact that they don't have as much homeland as they

(01:28:00):
used to, so maybe with them, I don't know.
Well, that would have been because of like the government,
like taking their land and put squishing them down and pushing
them on the Reds and all that stuff.
I don't know. And they wouldn't have control
over those areas either to kind of keep keep the stuff from

(01:28:23):
being messed up. Yeah, but see, that's why I was
wondering like maybe one of maybe one of the sharks has has
been disturbed because I mean, you see the military is digging
around, they looking for stuff. And even though Rose and her
people are keeping track of whatthey're doing because what was
it the guy said? He said we went to all the
places that she said to go and there was nothing there.

(01:28:46):
So she's obviously keeping them from whatever it is they're
looking for, but. I don't know the reason why I
don't think any of the sharks have been disturbed or the
pillars is because it is still there.
Like why would it stay there if it has a smorgasbord of a whole

(01:29:08):
country it can just go around. And devour.
And devour well. I mean, but think about it, if
if you have this one town where you can come out every, what is
it every 30, three years or. 2727 but they changed it for
like the other movies. I don't know if they changed it
in the recent movies. OK, but if you can come out

(01:29:30):
every 2 1/2 decades, take your field 'cause it's not like he
gonna have to eat everything. I mean, even even predators have
their limit with what they what they can eat.
Maybe he's like, you know what? I don't need to go anywhere
else. I can just go here.

(01:29:51):
I can I can do what I need to do.
Children disappear. I have my feel they gonna forget
in a few years anyway. And I can start the cycle right
back. I mean, no, I'm I'm going by
what you said, Michelle, you said he is he has gotten up
there age. He's getting lazy.
But this is not up in age right here.

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Hey, I mean, if you have the opportunity, you OK?
So it's like, OK, Georgia seafood, OK.
You know, I'm gonna eat the seafood.
I love seafood. It's OK.
But if if I have the opportunityand the gates open up to go to

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any really in coast, Savannah would be one of them.
But just to get out of the city to go to the coast to get some
fresh. Yeah, or across the state to get
some fresh 'cause this dairy stuff starts to taste old.

(01:30:51):
Like eating fried chicken every day for a week.
Right. And you can go out there and get
some new taste and fear from people.
So yeah, he can't. He can't go nowhere, which is a
good thing, yeah. But yeah, so so we get we get
that whole story. And then at the end when Dick

(01:31:12):
Halloran or maybe Penny Wise is asking Tanya, so where are these
shards now? He's like, yeah, you go through
there, find the wells and be on your way.
And it's the creepy house. I was like.
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
That is not happening. There is nothing about that

(01:31:32):
house that would make me want tosay, yeah, I'm going to go in
there and and look for these. No, you know what, we going to
leave that thing right where it is.
As soon as the general say Halloran, you going to go in?
No, I am not. You can go in for yourself, say.
Helen in. He ain't got No Fear.
I'll tell him where to go. See Leroy, I get I get in his

(01:31:56):
mind and tell him where to go. Hey, Leroy, can I get in your
mind for that? I'll tell you where to go.
Yeah, No Fear. You ain't got No Fear, you go do
it 'cause I'm not going in thereno that house by itself looking.
Nope. I didn't like it when I saw it
in the movie The first time. I was like Nope, Nope.
And then we see what happens in the house.
Nope, Nope, that's a bone. I don't need that kind of

(01:32:21):
monster. I don't need that kind of
running. Like I said, I saw enough of
that running in this episode when they crouching down on off.
I thought about you, yeah. I'm sure several times during
this episode I'm sure y'all heard me across across the
miles. Nope Nope Nope.
I was like you know what? They really trying to make me

(01:32:43):
cut this TV off right now. Especially when that joker grew
and then bro no no. Anyway, did we touch on
everything? Let's see, yeah, you just

(01:33:06):
noticed that before they put in the turtle shell.
I noticed that, yeah. Yeah, it was just that just that
situation was just messed up though, that they made him go
mess that boy up in that boy's head to get that information.
But you know what I got to say this once he spit at Halloween
space, I was like, you know whatyou do what you need to do.

(01:33:27):
I cannot stand. I can't spit, spit on other
people. That is like the worst.
Most, yes, that is. Sometimes that's a nightmare.
Sometimes I feel like the writers know, OK, well, if he's
going to do this, if he's going to Jacob Taniel's head, we got
to give Halloween sort of like. A good reason.

(01:33:48):
To do it, a good reason to do it, yeah.
Yeah, and, and one thing I thinkthat's worse than having like,
if it was a white character who did that, I'd be pissed off.
But I'd be like, you know what? I I'm expecting that because
that's what you expect to have another oppressed and
marginalized person do it to another.

(01:34:09):
Now you know what? That's some disrespectful shit
I'm gonna need. Yeah.
I'm gonna get all up in your brain.
No. I was just like, come on, why
did they all? Why is that the first thing
people want to write? Because they know that, because
they know how disrespectful it is.

(01:34:31):
Every time I see that anything, I just want to punch people.
Yeah. And and that's that's the
reaction they want you to have. Yeah, someone I was listening to
someone earlier, it was actuallyCam Newton since he was talking
about a football player, spit onanother football player in this
this past weekend. And he said, you know, we play
this game and we talk and we throw hands, that's all good.

(01:34:54):
But anytime something leave yourbody, that's not good.
That is disgusting. That is not good.
Disrespect. That's like disrespect on a high
level. The.
Highest. Level I can get over somebody
like slapping me or punch me in the face you spit on me I'm
going for blood it's. Going down, you know, that
reminds me of that actor from Walking Dead.

(01:35:17):
He was one of the saviors. He was in that Will Smith movie
Emancipation and he spit in his face and it was not scripted.
It was a whole bunch of drama behind that you I had I had to
show him to you, but I forget his name, but he was one of the
saviors. He's one of the the the boss
saviors. Group salt, Pepper, Simon,

(01:35:39):
probably tall mustache, mall head.
Yeah, yeah. Stephen Ogg.
Yeah. So that is people, People know.
People know when they're doing that.
They're trying to get shot. They know what they're doing,
yeah. But you know, I was trying.
I was, I was almost feeling sorry for Taniel.

(01:36:01):
And then he did that and I was like, OK, Dick, do what?
Do what you do. Do what you do.
But yeah, that that story was very interesting because I think
that's the first time that I canthink of that we've heard that
detailed of an origin story for Pennywise.
Yeah. So that was interesting.

(01:36:23):
But yeah, now we got to see where where this story is going
because again, I'm not going in that house.
Y'all. Y'all can do y'all can do
whatever. Well, we know the Losers Club
do, and we saw how that turned out, Yeah.
But you know, Nah, I got nothing'cause I was going to say that's

(01:36:49):
all the losers club. I think the losers Club
probably, I think they fared better because I think the bond
between them was stronger and they have more trust in each
other. Like with these kids right now,
Ronnie and Lily and Will and andstand there.

(01:37:14):
I mean, why am I forgetting RichRich?
Yeah, they're like, they're they're bonded, but they're
still newly bonded. Like they don't have the I, I
don't know, I just don't feel like that's strong enough with
them yet. So, but again, we have 4
episodes left, so we don't know what other trials they're gonna

(01:37:38):
go through. The fact that they've even made
it through three episodes when the other kids didn't even make
it through the first one, I'm like, OK, I feel a little bit of
optimism, but I'm also trying not to because I, I'm expecting
that any of them are going to die any minute, but.

(01:37:58):
We know, we know Will is Mark safe and everything.
We know Will. Is we know will Is mark safe
the. Rest of them I don't know.
I feel Lily is. You feel like Lily's safe.
What about? But not Ronnie.
Not well I. Kind of think something in the
book. Yeah, Ronnie's not safe.
Yeah, OK, There's something about Ronnie.

(01:38:20):
Beth, Beth, I love it came. From but something.
Beth sees money in one of her visions.
Oh, really? OK, so but we don't know when,
you know, in the 20s or 30s, we don't really know.
OK, so, yeah, four more episodes.

(01:38:43):
I don't. At this point, I I don't know
what to expect. I I I I do know that Lily is
about to end up in Julie, per Hill.
That's about the only thing I know for sure at this moment.
I don't know what's going on with anybody else.
Michelle, I think you might be right about Dick.
About Pennywise. Piggy piggybacking in Tanya's

(01:39:07):
head with Dick. Yeah, because that, that smile
was very creepy. But other than that, I, I don't
know what to expect at this point.
They could all survive at this point.
They could all die. I, I don't know, except for the

(01:39:30):
people that we know, you know, exist later on.
But I don't know. I, I'm just, I'm worried about
Lily. Lily is the one.
She has become my favorite, probably because I feel like she
needs the most protecting, you know?

(01:39:50):
Yeah. I think also because we know
Will is going to live at least until adulthood, we're kind of
like. And, and, and I'm gonna be
honest, Ronnie doesn't seem likeshe needs that much protection.
Like she has that, she has that strength about her.
Like she's, she kind of reminds me of of Charlotte in a way
because she she is not afraid touse her voice.

(01:40:14):
She's not afraid to tell people what she thinks or to say that
you're wrong. So yeah, at at this point, it's
just Lily for me because I feel like she just, she needs to be
in a glass bubble where nothing can touch her until this, as the
general said, until this cycle ends.
And then when she gets grown, she can get the hell out of

(01:40:36):
dairy and maybe never come back.Definitely not.
So I know you guys have any final thoughts about this
episode? Well, I love a good historical
like storyline. Yeah.
I think it's really cool. I like that we saw the house at

(01:41:01):
the end. Yeah, it's like the origin
story. That was pretty cool.
Yeah, I always like that. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, especially since, again, that's the most that we've known
about this particular character.So yeah.
But yeah, I like the origin story, too.

(01:41:23):
I think that was probably one ofmy favorite parts of the
episode. Did not like all the running
creatures that I can do without.And Marge's eyes were quite
gross. I'm glad I had just finished
eating when that happened because I thought I was like,
OK, too bad this episode, you know, Will got pulled in the

(01:41:44):
water and and we got to see Major handling in his little
burnt state. But if that's what he looked
like after his plane crash, he looks good now because you can't
tell he has any. Like you would think him being
burnt like that he would have had some skin grafts or he would
have some. He had some scars on his.

(01:42:06):
Very faint scars, but not like Iwould think from the way that
they show what happened with hischaracter.
But yeah, I'm, I, I just want, Iwant to know how he's going to
affect this story. This there's No Fear thing.
I think that's the thing I'm most interested in, even beyond

(01:42:30):
what the kids do or how they defeat, if you can call it
defeating Penny wise disco round.
I really want to see how how handling plays into.
It right so yeah, which is either defeat or he just went to
sleep yeah like who? Really.
Boy, we clearly know who's safe too, Penny wise.

(01:42:54):
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