December 2, 2025 • 68 mins
#IT #welcometoderry #stephenking Major Hanlon demands answers after Halloran's "questioning" of Taniel. Rose gives the General a warning when he tells her his plans regarding the Entity. Marge apologizes to Lily in the aftermath of her attack. The kids plan a search-and-rescue upon hearing some hopeful news from an old friend. Hanlon takes a team into the sewers to search for the artifacts, but find something disturbing. Dick faces his worst fear. The Entity finally shows its face.You can find Dena at Drunk and Blerdy on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCdyQ_NCTG7jTcv3pCQGIl_g
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
with Anthony and Dina and we arediscussing episode 5 of It's
Welcome to Dairy. And Anthony, you said you got
thoughts. OK, All right.
So first, first thought, first thought, first thought, how we
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forget about Nurse curse like we're trying to figure out the
available available women and and wait, who else?
How do you think about her? We've well, because I think, I
think it's because we thought, all of us kind of had the
feeling we were like something ain't right about her, but we
were just thinking the wrong. Kind of.
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We were thinking the wrong kind of something, but something
definitely wasn't right. Where is wrong?
Something we wrong with something?
Did we really know? I don't feel like we did.
We know her last name. And then did we think anything
about 'cause he Kirsch is the, the, the, the store guy, right?
The guy that was like, you know,he offered to help her get stuff
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off the shelves in the other episode, Lily.
Oh. Oh wait, the store guy, 'cause
that's where he was, Mr. Curry. I don't I don't know, but I
don't think it was him. But the but the the crazy thing
about her is like, and throughout the entire episode,
like they were throwing us little clues.
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I didn't catch none. I wasn't paying any attention
because I was so focused on the fact that Maddie showed back up.
So it's like when Lily went to go see her at the house and the
husband came out and he was, of course, menacing.
And where's my steak? Don't you overcook.
Nothing about oh, no, I can't say who she is because of who
her husband. Nothing about that click, even
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when he was in the backseat of the car.
It still didn't click. No, because they kept focusing
on her hands. Her hands were steady.
If this was somebody she was scared of, her hands would have
been shaken. I missed all the context clues
with this one because when they got out the car and they were
looking at each other, I was like, oh, so And then something
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clicked right before they grabbed each other.
I was like, oh. No, as soon as soon as she got
in the car I said God damn it isher because I was like he in the
back seat. I told him he in the back seat
and she was like OK and damn it he was in the backseat.
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Soon as I saw she had a husband I knew it was her because we was
trying to figure out who was married.
A girl didn't think who was married.
Soon as I said she had a husband, I said oh.
I wasn't even thinking about it at my point.
Because you know what? I'm focused, OK?
So I'm trying to find the connection between because in
this universe, in a movie, Beverly goes to see Miss Kirsch
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and that's who it is pretending to be or who it is in the
apartment that attacks, that's Miss Kirsch.
That makes sense. Because I've been trying to
feed, I've been trying to put her with Pennywise this whole
time and I wouldn't even thinking about always.
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Her. We weren't thinking about Grogan
at that point because we were like, OK, he on his way to
Shawshank. Lily is trying to you know, Lily
is trying to get some help. I'm trying to figure out the
connection between her and Pennywise and then I'm looking
I'm like that she maybe she is Pennywise and then because but I
wasn't thinking about none of that other stuff.
I was like God damn. Like literally they right before
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they grabbed each other the light bulb went off in my head.
I was like, oh Hanukkah, you missed all the context clues in
this one. And the second thing, Speaking
of contest clues, them kids is fucking gullible because I saw
that hand. I said come on guys as.
Soon as I heard the cop, I was like, if that's Maddie, man, I'm
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running. The thing that really got me
because I was like, OK, did he really like?
I don't know what it was with this episode.
I was trying to believe all the stuff, but when Maddie came out,
when that mother fucker was paler than a piece of paper, I
said something right about him. Something is not right about
him. Was like, I understand you've
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been in the sewers, but boy wereyou drinking the sewer water?
Well, technically speaking he was, but was like, you look ill
boy, I'm saying. I say, y'all, he he don't leave
leftovers. He just.
Don't. And you finally get out of the
sewer and you're like, don't tell nobody.
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I don't want to go home to my dad.
At this point you really your dad is worse than the sewer.
That's what I I said. I said I want to know.
Like we still need to get some Maddie back story because I want
to know exactly how bad your dadwas that you would like.
I'd rather go back to the store sewers than him.
Because we got to think about it.
Pennywise gets into their minds so he he has their memories.
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He knows what he knows what their fears are.
This boy's dad scared him so much he ran away or he tried to
run away. Lily, the boy stuck his fingers
through the drain pipe. He is gone, Gone, gone, gone.
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Lily and she holding on. They holding on to a little bit
of hope. Yeah, he gone.
But Susan, the the hand came like this.
I saw he going to pretend to be mad but they they don't no they
so gullible. They are and they were.
So your. Children, they had to have hope.
They were trying to look. They were trying to find a way
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to defeat him. Mars is now on board.
Did you say hope? Did you say hope?
Don't you do it? Don't you?
Do it, don't you Do It is a place where dreams go to hope.
I know you're so chilling. I said it, but Oh my SO.
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Those are highlights. Oh, third highlight.
What's in the box? Don't open the box.
I'm I'm curious, I need to know.Well, I can well you if if I'm
wrong or not, if I'm right, if it's the same as in the book
Dick in in in in the signing, Dick tells Daniel that he tells
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him to create a box to put the spirits in that he was saying
and Dick put his trauma the the abuse that he suffered.
I. Kind of figured.
That's what it was because he was afraid that it would
overwhelm him. So he put in, he put that trauma
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the the sexual abuse, he put allthat in the box.
I was wondering, I couldn't remember what the what the
significance was. I couldn't remember.
So that makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
Because that's so online, someone was like, oh, he put the
spirit of his grandfather in there.
If they're doing it different than the book, OK.
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But if they're going with the book, it's his trauma.
My first thought was it was his ability to see the dead.
He stuffed that power in there because he didn't want to see
him. Yeah, man.
Because you know, when he came out, the first person he saw was
poor Paul. Oh my God.
That, that's number four. Sad.
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Boys, But then I tell y'all, Polly was going to die.
Did you say Polly was going to die?
I didn't think it was going to be in that way.
So those are my 4 highlights. OK, gotcha.
What about you, Dana? So one of my things I, I, I
actually kind of like in this episode was Marge just coming
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straight with Lily and just being like, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I didn't believe you. This is crazy.
And I told them, you know, whatever they needed to hear so
they wouldn't blame you, even though she knows that people
won't still blame her. But like she immediately was
like, OK, this is messed up. This is what my friend been
going through. I didn't get my shit together.
And so I like that she, I mean, it was a traumatic thing she had
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to go through to get there, but it wasn't one of those things
where like she needed to, you know, fake, she need to figure
stuff out or she need to be mad at somebody or whatever.
She just immediately was like, sis, you was right.
You ain't crazy. And what can I do to help?
Right. And I was like, OK, Marge, you
OK? You got this?
You got. And I thought it was cute to
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her. And Rich was holding hands.
It was cute. The other thing I really, really
loved is, and I can't think of her name, Miss.
Was it bro? Was it Rose?
Is it Auntie? Yes, auntie came in there
telling her boy what he needed to do and was like, you know
what, just baby you, you, you got the power here, you know,
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and I like that. And even when he was like speak
English, which, oh, let me just tell you, my skin was crawling.
I'm like, OK, white man telling the natives who belong here to
speak English. Well, I wanted to snap.
I was like, it's ATV show girl. It's ATVI know, but I love that
scene because I like I really love how they were communicating
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how she was giving him a lowdownwithout, you know, them even
figuring it out. I thought that was really a good
thing. What else?
I actually I love that. Oh boy, came out there and
started shooting and our girl who like to be in the middle of
everything, got a little little fear in her dropping down on the
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ground. Like OK, you see, everything
ain't coaster. Yeah, that was feeling Susie's
dad. Yeah.
Yeah, she saw Penny Wise, you know, iteration Penny Wise and
and yeah, she saw that. And so I was like, now are you
going to stick? Are you going to calm down and
mind your business for a little bit, sis?
Because I, I feel like you need to do that.
Your son is in the sewer right now because you don't know where
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the hell yet. So I I kind of like that scene
too. And they are also like right
after that, your husband comes in.
He was like, OK, look what I'm about to tell you.
Going to sound just a little bitcrazy, but I need you to believe
me because we got to get the hell.
Out Now what? What was funny was he went the
shot, you let us move, he said Hold up, hold up.
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You're supposed to move on to the base.
I said oh base, I never told. You to move to there.
You wanted to have a normal. Life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on you, partner, that's
on you. Right, I mean, he could have
still warned him when he said hewanted to move, but I guess in
the guys thoughts he was probably thinking like well
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maybe they'll be OK, whatever, no big deal 'cause it doesn't
clearly doesn't affect every child, right.
Like so you know, he might have thought they would have been all
right, but. Also handling wasn't on the
team, he wasn't on the quote UN quote on the team at that point
yet that's true. So it's like, how much do you
trust him with to say, I don't think it's a good idea for y'all
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to stay in town because immediately he's going to want
to know why and why you don't have.
And he might change his mind. He black.
Well, you know what? We just not going to move there.
Deuce says yeah, right. Yeah, he right.
He might Black. Well, if you don't want me to
move, I have to stay on base. Nah, that's alright.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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It's There's a lot of good stuffin this episode though.
It was so for me. I like being right.
I like the fact that Pennywise basically told Lily, yeah,
you're the one that's bringing everybody to me because you're
such a good friend. Like like you are bringing the
buffet to the sewers. I like you.
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I'm going to keep you. I'm going to keep you around up
until he start running towards her and again, y'all and we get
him doing the run, we get him asCharlotte doing her.
I'm gonna need you. We don't need to have a quota of
two of these runs every episode and y'all have done this for the
last three episodes. I'm gonna need y'all to quit.
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I'm gonna need you to quit. But the the effects, the
practical effects those see job,whatever it is that they are
doing with his face. Yeah.
When he started running towards Lily with his mouth open and the
light catches him and his eye does that little jump, I felt I
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was like this is supposed to be scary.
I was cracking up cuz his eye did that jump.
Like seriously, right now, rightnow, Just when I'm about to have
a snack right now. The good one.
Right and then he just kind of stopped that.
I twitches. He looks down like fuck.
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He starts backing up and Lily issitting there looking like you
scared of a little light. Oh OK, we got this.
But I I will say this, I got to give it to my girl Lily.
She was being brave because whenI say her friends took tail and
ran and I know that the separation was probably Penny
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Wise's design because like my daughter was watching the
episode with me. She said how did she get so
lost? She literally was right behind
them when she fell. And I'm like he's been doing
that the whole episode because even with the army guys, y'all
just right there. It's not like y'all had a whole
bunch of directions to go to because y'all were all trying to
stay. Same way, yeah.
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Together and he separated y'all into what, 123 different groups?
Yeah, and. And he teleported.
Dick activated too. He told him somewhere.
I didn't know he could do that. I didn't know he could.
I don't. Know if.
He, I don't know if he actually did that or if that was just in
Dick's mind. Yeah, but he totally
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disappeared. Like that's true.
The only thing I can think of ishe had them off to the side and
made it to where they couldn't see him.
Could be, yeah. Or he just like when he went
underwater, he just drug him wherever because he ended up.
Outside. The the sewer at some point, so
maybe he just kind of pulled them under the water and they
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were like, where'd he go? Or he could have been, he could
have been blocked. He could have just been blocking
the view of the other two guys and showing them what they fear.
Because I'm going to tell y'all now.
When they looked in that tunnel and that hand came out and said
I want you. And it was a ghost of Uncle Sam,
I fell out laughing. I was like, how amazing is this?
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Well, that's the thing that's annoying.
It's like they're like anything that doesn't feel right, just
shoot it. And I'm like, that was such a
bad command because. Between that was a set up.
Right, because it was just like,why would you just automatically
start shooting if something's playing with your mind, you
know, you don't know who you looking at.
It could be a whole like, you know, and I just thought that
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was, I was like, that was some poor commanding right there,
buddy. I was, I was, this is off the
topic, but I was talking to the person that related to by
marriage who I live with. And I was pondering and you know
out loud, you think it would be beneficial for it to let them
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find the artifacts so we could escape.
But she said she posited the idea that it's hunger is so
great. Yeah.
It's all smorgasbord. She's like, you ain't really
that smart if you really think about it.
Like it, it wasn't thinking about trying to escape.
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It was like, oh, this is a meal down here.
You can give a damn about the pillars.
I got access to food right? Now like, oh, Golden Corral came
to me. I got a weird.
I got a weird connection. OK, so like, you know how on
Lilo and snitch Stitch? I'm sorry, Snitch.
I've been drinking Lilo and Stitch How they had him like
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locked down because he wasn't controllable and all that stuff
and ever. And then he got he got away and
that. So maybe whoever locked him down
or did whatever they did to put him inside that Obsidian or
whatever was like he's just out here doing doing, doing things.
He ain't got no rhyme or reason.He just out here being wildly
put him in his bank because he just doing too much wherever he
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came from. And that was kind of his thing
where he just wasn't smart or anything.
He just was led by hunger and led by like carnage and they
might have thought like we need to like get him off wherever the
heck we from because he was likethat.
Because I feel like he definitely, I mean he's not an
idiot, obviously, because he knows how to play with people's
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minds, But I do think, like you said, he he's just he's nothing.
He's just carnal. Everything about him is carnal.
Like it's nothing like he's not trying to build a, a House of
it's, he's not trying to reproduce, he's not trying to
take over the earth. And at some point, if he had
means to do it, he would just eat everybody's fear and kill
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everybody off. And then what?
What's he going to do then? You know, so that makes a lot of
sense. It's smart enough to not kill
everyone off so you have a steady supply of food.
Yeah. Right.
Well, that part, yeah, because 20.
Seven years. It could kill everybody in
dairy, but it it realized that this is a limited food supply.
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Yeah. Because there.
It is if you kill everyone in the town, I've, you know, even
though we talk about how, you know, he kind of, you know, puts
the little cloud over everyone and, and people just kind of
they're, they're foggy about what's going on.
If a whole town disappeared, that's going to be enough for
people to say, you know what, I'm not crossing this border.
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They did it before because in the story you see all the
sellers that came here had killed.
Yeah. Because what I also think, like
him being trapped there, he has no choice but to make the food
constantly. Like if he could move, he
probably wouldn't carbonate as much, you know, because.
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But since he's stuck in a place where this is the only place
where I can eat, you know? Yeah, it's fun enough to figure
out, but he just sort of just adapted to its situation.
Right. Like the last time they killed
all the settlers, it had no food.
He was like. Yeah, because the native were
like, what we're not going to dois cross this border or or go
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into these woods. Yeah.
Right. And then once the new settlers
came and they were like, don't go in there.
They went in there anyway, he realized.
I can't kill them all. I just kid and it's just just
adapted over the 300 years or so.
Yeah, or I mean, probably longerthan that, but yeah.
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But so this was the thing that Ithought was interesting because
the way that I can't remember the general's name, so I'm just
going to call him Francis because that's the name that we
hear the most. So Francis is telling Rose his
plan when she comes to confront him about her nephew.
And he's basically and, and whathe tells Hanlon, he's basically
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like, OK, this is what we're going to do.
So we figured out that these tunnels are under the house.
We're going to send a team out. They're going to secure the 13
artifacts and they're going to move them closer to kind of, you
know, they're going to try to enclose Pennywise in a smaller.
Circle smaller prison. Maybe it's just me, but I feel
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like the math wasn't mashing because the people that you sent
was nowhere near enough to do the plan that you just talked
about doing. Not with 13 pillars and you got
to move them all right? I don't even think you had 13
people down there total. I don't even I don't even think
they realized the distance they had to do this because it's
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supposed to be the border like around Derry.
So I. Mean, you know, you know, I
mean, Derry is a, it's a small town, but it's not, it's not,
oh, we all just going to walk there in like 20 minutes type of
small. Because if you remember the the
the flashback we saw, those smoke stacks was way out.
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Miles. Miles.
Yeah, that house is what in the center?
In the center. Supposed to be yeah.
So I was, I was a little bit confused about that.
I was like, OK, something about this plan just does not seem
right. And I don't know if it was just
that maybe he has something elsethat he's trying to accomplish
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and he's just telling Rose and handling what he needs them to
hear in order for them to go along with it.
Because of course, you know, once Rose has her confrontation
with him, she was like, OK, you're going to need my help.
Or at least let me prepare Taniel so that he can help you.
And basically what she said was fuck them.
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You going to go in here with this with this weapon, you going
to make sure that you're protected.
You won't let the thing finish them off.
And we just going to be done with it.
You know, she's she's not caringat this point.
And I can't really say that I blame her because here you are
again. We we got to go back to this the
first time we told y'all not to cross these borders.
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We told y'all not to go into theforest and you went anyway and
you got wiped out. So here you are again.
The natives have been protectingthis land.
They've been protecting this city for the most part.
Yeah, you got a few casualties, but it's not carnage.
They've been protecting it. And here you go, Little white
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man all of a sudden remembers. And he was like, oh, you know
what? We can close it and we can
control it and we can put on a leash.
She was like dude no this is notwhat you going to do.
How you going to do that? How you going to do that?
Even if you think about it the way that he's talking about
doing, if, if if you send 13 teams out, you find the pillars,
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even if everyone digs at the same time and all like, OK,
we're going to dig up these things and then get on the walk
and talk, OK, Everybody take 10 paces in, OK.
Even if you do that, you're not really like there's got to be
something vulnerable there one, because you don't quite know
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exactly how this works because you really think the natives are
about to tell y'all the entire thing.
No, just like she didn't tell them about the the shark that
she gave to Tango that, oh, thisthing will we'll keep it away
because what will they do if they do it?
They're going to take it. They're going to be like, OK,
fuck him. We, we're just going to take it
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and we're going to do whatever. We're going to try.
Oh, let's go try to hunt him or let's go try to caption.
At some point you just got to let the idiots be idiots and
just do what they gonna do. But.
Yeah, it's that mindset, you know, like, oh, they're savage.
They're this, that, that. But then you come to this
country and you can't even farm.You can't stay alive.
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They got to help you stay alive.And then they they hold this
thing now, been doing it for centuries.
But you come and say no, no, no,we, we, we better, we know more.
We we got this. We can use this as a weapon,
don't you think? If it was anything I think that
could be done to be beneficial to help everybody else out,
don't you think they would have done it already?
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Yeah, by now. But they're basically like, OK,
you know what? We're going to leave him in this
little area here and yeah, we just going to leave him alone.
I mean, think about it in the previous episode when they gave
us the the back story, they werelike they lived in harmony with
it and they were like you stay on your side of the of the white
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chalk line. We going to stay on ours and we
just gone. It's going to be copaceted.
We we're good. It's even like when they were in
the meeting in this episode, thegirl was saying he goes and does
his thing and then we get we getour years of peace like you do
you whatever it is you going to do.
And then we get our peace like they made whatever decision need
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to be made. Yeah, because even when he was
talking about it, he said we don't have as many casualties in
this cycle as we did in 35 and in O 8.
He was like, yeah, we had, I think what he say, 27 casualties
and he was talking about the number of children, he said.
But it's not as many compared towhat we've seen, right?
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And then you got the one person who was like, well, you hurry
up, dude. No, because guess what?
If this is going to keep all of us alive, you shut your trap.
You let him talk, but however long he want to talk.
I'm sorry I see any details. Whatever has been working for
several 100 years. So you keep your mouth closed
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and stick to the program. And make sure you remember what
the hell I'm saying, because you're going to be the first
idiot to get Ada. You better be taking notes.
Right, right, right. But let me OK, so, so let's go
back because we, we got to talk about this whole thing with the
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kids because I don't know what it is about the kid.
And I, well, let me not say thatI know it's because the adults
don't don't listen, don't want to believe them.
They feel like they have nowhereto turn.
And again, I, I kind of felt badfor Lily because she was just
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kind of like in this, in all of this bad things, you know,
everything bad that's happened, There's that one little piece of
hope. Oh, look, there's Maddie.
I'm sure alarms were going off in her head because if you look
at Maddie, something will tell you that ain't quite Maddie, you
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know what I'm saying? But she wanted to have hope.
Shut up, Anthony, she wanted to have it.
She had her little slice of it. But the crazy thing is when she
tries to convince everybody else, like Rich, I love my man
Rich, and I'm so scared that he's going to be next because
Rich is the voice of reason witheverything.
Because Ronnie is wanting them to go one way, Lily's wanting
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them to go one way, and Rich is like, what the hell are both of
y'all talking about? No, we don't need to be doing
this, but when I say when she pulled out the little container
with Mommy's little helper. Oh.
My gosh, she was. Like, yeah, we got, we're going
to take as many as we can. My mom eats these like M&M's, my
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daughter's background. Like, sweetheart, your mother is
a lot bigger than you. It probably doesn't affect her
the way it's. Going, she's been taking it so
much longer. You just go and jump in with
three, Lady jump in with three, three.
How we go from 1:00 to 3:00? And it's 10 O clock in the
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morning. The only person who we've seen
any breakfast is Will. So they all doing this on an
empty stomach. I was like, oh, this is not
going to go well. This is not going to go well at
all. I'm just screaming at the TV
like baby, baby, baby. Three though, come on now.
Just just one. That's one.
Do I have two? Right?
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Like, just work your way up whatyou see.
In the end, it really didn't matter because they were all
scared to say yeah. All it did was make them hide
until they got some real fear. And then it was like adrenaline
kicked in and it didn't work. Right.
Because I tell you, when Maddie,when he walked up there, he was
like, I thought it was right. I was like, something's not
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right. And then when they turn around,
they all looked they were all looking down the the tunnel
because they heard handling calling for Caloran.
When Maddie starts walking up there, he starts on the I said,
is this give us a pole dance before he eats these Maddie pole
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dance, baby. Then he starts singing.
Then you see the kids and I was like, you know what?
I really, I really did not need to see the kids that way.
Like we already saw them torn apart, smashed, and and just the
description that fate Maddie gave.
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I didn't need to see them like that.
I didn't need to see poor littleSusie, and I didn't need to see
Teddy with his head open and I didn't need to see Phil with my.
Yeah. And then when I saw the ham come
out of their tent, I knew it wasnot going to end well for the
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kids when he said, oh, let's take you.
Let's go to the sewers and get Teddy.
Yeah, no. Yeah, no.
So if he's still alive after allthis time, he going to have to
figure out how to get out because I'm not going in the
sewer. Nope.
I am an anchor today, I bet you that.
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Absolutely not. You would not see me floating.
Nope. No, and and that was the other
crazy thing because they kept using the floating metaphors.
She, she talked about, you know,the, the anchor or the lifeboat
talking about that's where her dad said basically trying to get
them to, you know, trying to convince them to go and save
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feel. And then when they're inside and
they're talking, she said something about, oh, when she's
talking about the, the pills andshe's having her little, not
necessarily hallucination, but you can see that they're all
getting high. She was like, Oh, this feels
like you did When I went to Doctor Wagner's office, it felt
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like I was floating on. She's getting ready to say
floating on air. And then all of a sudden they
hear the voice and I was like, right, right, this is we don't
want to do no floating. And then of course, you see Dick
Halloran floating in the water. I was like, you know what?
Just no, we're just we're. Just.
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Happening. They they sobered up real quick.
Real quick like my daughter saidoh them anti anxiety pills and
do shit. Nope.
Nope. Because I'm sorry, once you see
your so-called friend's head split open and something is
crawling out, no. No, when they like.
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And. Then most of the twirl.
Was twirling around singing the song on the pole and then he
started the back of his head. I said Oh no.
No, I'm pretty sure we know thisis not Maddie.
Guys, can we run now? Like what are y'all waiting on
all? Right, all right.
Soon as he started getting up onthe pole, I would have been out,
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'cause I'm like, OK, you know what?
Because as soon as he made that first turn, you see that.
You see the head splitting open.That was your cue, kitties.
But of course, you're too high to notice that.
You're probably thinking it's aneffect of the medication.
You're like, are we really seeing this?
When he starts singing in that creepy voice, that's when you
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leave. Because I'm pretty sure we'll
recognize that voice caller for Halloween.
Will, I'm gonna need you to run to your daddy.
I'm glad he took his time though, because if he had been
maybe 2 seconds quicker, he'd been dead.
But. I need you to run to your daddy
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like he just any. What's crazy is he didn't even
listen. Polly is literally like, dude,
what are you doing? He ain't listening to nothing.
Polly's saying just shooting anddoing.
He was like, I actually see him,right?
So Polly put tune together and see.
OK so here's the other thing that I found very very
interesting about this episode because I don't know about
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y'all, but it don't look like Major Hamlin is fear proof, at
least not by not going by this episode.
So I was talking to one of my coworkers about it today because
she had to ask a bunch of questions about stuff she didn't
understand. And what I think it is is his
fear for his life. He doesn't have that.
But when it comes to his child and his wife, he's afraid for
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them. But I don't think he has.
Like, he don't care about himself.
Like whatever happens to me happens, but he has fear about
them. And so, yeah.
Because because when when fake Charlotte came around that
corner, he looked real scared. Yeah.
And I was like, you know, because I feel like he, he
probably was like, oh, no, my wife is been got, my wife done,
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got, got. And then of course he probably
figured it out like it wasn't her.
So I got it. But then you got to shoot your
wife in the face. It's like, yeah.
Yeah. And it's like, it's not like she
is not the only negative emotionthat we experienced.
So there's concern, surprise, shock.
You know, those are. Monroe was scared.
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He was scared. Will you sum all those up?
They just totally bypasses the actual fear itself.
The actual fear, like I don't even think he was scared he was
going to die honestly. Like it was him that was you.
Know yeah, no, I don't think he was scared that he was going to
die but he was like when he saw Charlotte he was definitely
scared that something had happened to her and then once he
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realized that it was faking whenhe tell you know when he tells
Polly look, if you see anything that doesn't belong down here
you shoot it. But when your son and and I
guess also you're acting in the heat of the moment you're not
thinking about the fact that your son has already had an
encounter with whatever this thing is.
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So his whole thing was he's on the base he shouldn't he
shouldn't be here. You're not thinking that oh OK
he's going to come down here with his friends or whatever
because you've already basicallytold me you'll see your friend
you'll see your little friends after all this is over.
I was like, how you know the friends going to be there?
But also, but also the the lack of of fear that he could be his
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son. Like he wasn't like he was
afraid that this might be him for real.
That was that that was absolutely that was absolutely
gone. He was pretty confident this was
not what it seemed It was sayinglike he didn't even second guess
himself. Yeah, yeah.
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And that that's, I think that's where where fear would have been
handy at that point. Yeah.
So you didn't? Have kept him from making the
decision he made and now his, you know, his, his, his Rd. dog
is gone because Polly was like, yo, you're not listening to me
that I see him. He's there and I don't.
I just don't think it was registering in in his mind.
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He was just like, whatever this thing is, I got to kill it.
He had already made the calculation.
One test was Charlotte, so this is obviously the next test.
Also, I do I do wonder like justhow much when, when he's when,
when, when Pennywise is messing with their minds, Like how much
is actually their mind? That's like, you know, like how
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much of that is actually his mind that's making these
decisions at that point? Because like, he didn't even
like that when a boy came around, he didn't even try to.
Like he's yelling dead. And he was.
Like I was like, it's me, it's me.
No. No, it ain't.
No, it ain't that, ain't you? That was that would have been a
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harsh lesson. Oh my God, a lesson.
Oh, he would have tried. He would have lost it right
there. He would have.
That would have been it. Literally.
But OK, so I have to ask Anthonybecause I have not read The
Shining, so I don't know a lot about Dick's background.
You said something about he's heis able to see dead people.
That is one of his powers because I don't think he could
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do that in The Shining, or at least.
Not in the movie. Not in the movie.
They didn't imply that. No, I, I was saying.
I don't remember if that was oneof his powers.
I knew about their voyance but II was wondering if that was the
power he had locked away only because at the end he saw Paulie
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and it wasn't like a version of the box was.
Open already so. OK.
OK. And then like in and in the
book, he also told Danny, because when Danny was asking
questions into the shining aboutlike the rooms and like the lady
in the room and stuff. And then he was just saying like
asking him about are they ghosts?
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Are there this, are there that? And he was just basically like,
look, you just stay away from where you ain't supposed to go
and don't go around 2:37. So I think he can see that
people because that Lady that was in that room was just one of
the things that Danny first asked about.
And he just basically told him, like, don't go.
You just don't go where you ain't supposed to go, but don't
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go looking for nothing. You'll be all right, right?
Yeah, but then in doctor sleep. But then in Doctor Sleep you you
find out that she followed Dannylike he was still he was being
haunted by the spirit. By the lady from the tub.
Yeah, Oh. I actually have to read Doctor
Sleep because I haven't read that yet.
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That's horrible. OK.
OK, that is horrifying, but I do.
See. Yeah, I, I most, I don't want to
say most, but you know, they, they have a range of, of how
powerful they are. So you find out in Doctor sleep
actually, because they only go out to the powerful ones, but
there's a range. And so it it would make sense
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that they would at least be ableto know that there's a spirit
there at the minimum that that most people see.
And as A and if you're a kid, like you're the kid and in The
Sixth Sense, like, what did he do?
He tried to ignore them and pretend they weren't there.
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He would go to a church because they don't like churches.
So he was doing his best to avoid.
And so Dick, his grandmother taught him just put that in a
box. So I'm assuming she meant put
your. Well, I thought put your powers
in the box, but then I remember in the book it was the trauma
that he put in the box. OK.
But I was wondering if they werejust trying to put it together
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and see he put some of his powers.
Because if you're a kid, that would freak you out if that's
what we're seeing all the time. Yeah, that's what we're.
Seeing dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then who knows what they were doing to him.
I mean, just like in The Sixth Sense, they kept messing with
him because they were trying to get him to help him and when he
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was ignoring them, they were hurt him because it's basically
like, you can help me. You can.
Help. They were malevolent.
They just was trying to get help.
Yeah. It's like in in Ghost when
Whoopi Goldberg actually unlocked it.
All of a sudden the whole bunch of spirits is trying to get
hurt. I'm trying to get hurt to help.
Yeah, same thing in Umbrella Academy with Klaus, the same
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thing happened with him. So OK, that that would make
sense. That would that that would
actually make it a little bit more interesting too, especially
given that I've only seen The Shining.
And then, you know, at the end of the movie or like towards the
end of the movie, right before Dick gets there, that's when we
start noticing that there are ghosts all over this hotel.
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You know, like having parties and doing this.
So if he's able to see all of that, that would be it's.
Oh gosh, OK Charlotte just ran at me on the TV.
I saw her flash off your face too, and I was like, what was
that? Listen.
And then my daughter just walkedin the room.
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Yeah, so, so horrible. The teeth thing, like why do
they got to do that? But you know, even with all of
this, this, this creepy stuff, I, I do have to say I am loving
the way that they are fleshing this story out.
Like I, I can't say I have any complaints about this show
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except for the fact that they keep doing this God damn run.
Other than that, I I like what they're doing, especially with
the with the characters. And again, going back to what
Anthony started out the episode with the whole thing with Hank
and and and misses curse. I'm just like, OK, So what kind
of repercussions is this going to have?
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Yeah, Because you know, you know, that's about to be found
out one way or the other. Oh yeah, for sure.
She 'cause then she said you want to come back to my house,
ma'am? What?
To your house. Why?
But obviously, obviously it wants him to stay there because
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remember, the bus got attacked by some beast.
Yeah, yeah. And there were casualties, but
he happened to be the. Only one that survived.
Yeah, but I mean, I could kind of understand that because right
now Hank is the he's the scapegoat.
He's the one that's oh, oh, oh, oh, Dana, you.
It's the butcher. It's the butcher.
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It's the butcher. Mr. Kirsch, It's the butcher.
The one that that Charlotte was talking to and he was like, oh,
I just meant like I lot of your new face.
It's him. It's him.
That's the husband. It's him.
Because I was like, we talk. We have seen this man and we we
have heard Mr. We've heard the name and we've seen this man
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before. I just couldn't place where I
saw him. It's the Butcher.
He's not a nice man at home. He's not a nice man at all.
That makes me curious now about that whole situation.
Yeah. And then that makes sense.
He was like, you cook my steak, they cook it right, blah, blah,
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blah. Right.
But in the store, when he met Charlotte, he was so nice and so
friendly and so welcoming. And so maybe he did mean it the
way she thought he meant it, butthen he he course corrected to
make it seem like she was being over the top.
Yeah, could, could be. Because he was even nasty to a
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little. Not nasty to Lily, but kind of
like he's. Like you're Terry Brent
Bainbridge kid. But you know, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't be surprised that he would talk to her kind of in
that way because again, she has a reputation of being the town
crazy kid. So he's probably like, what is
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she doing in my house? Like I want her here, You know,
especially with everything that she's been associated with
lately, like, oh, you was there when them kids disappeared.
And who knows what information has gotten out about what
happened at the school. Even though, yes, Marge is
telling everybody, no, she didn't do it.
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My my glasses broke. They cut my eye and whatever.
I mean, I don't know how the whole glasses cutting your eye
ended up with a screwdriver in in y'all's hand.
I I mean, but I mean, you got togive margin a for Everett
because and she could have easily been like, I don't I
don't know what y'all talking about.
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She did this to me or whatever. Whatever, right?
But dinner. But dinner is is right though.
His whole demeanor is different.His whole personality was
different at the house. But you know what the the
natives were talking about? They they were saying that what
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was it his something about he was spilling into the into the
water and it. Was he was.
Shedding. Yes, he's shedding into the
water and it's making the residents more aggressive than
normal. So maybe Mr. Curse wasn't such a
bad dude. Well, we met him and it just has
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gotten. Worse.
Aggressively worse. Yeah, like maybe he was just an
asshole of a husband. Like maybe he was just mean or,
you know, just kind of verbally nasty to his wife.
But when we meet him, I got the feeling that he was kind of
maybe if he hadn't gotten some physical violence yet, that he
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was kind of escalating or getting to.
Definitely. Coming now.
Right, you find out who your wife has been keeping company
with that's going to be. That's the other.
Thing Now this whole situation though, this whole situation
though, something about this don't seem right.
Well now we got 1962 to meet up because he worked in the
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daytime. So what's was he meeting her on
after her shifts at the hospital?
I understand something don't seem right.
He was at home, passed out or I don't know.
Something don't seem right. The man we.
Said that since we introduced toher and, and the fact that you
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reminded me that she's the nursethat's in the movies, I'm like,
OK, you know what? I really got to go back and
watch these two movies so I can put my so I can put my head into
this timeline of the IT story because you know, I started I
went back last week. I I started to read the book
because I haven't read the book in like maybe 20 something years
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and just the fact that the book starts out a little bit early in
the book, I think the time is 1957.
I was like, Oh, you already messing with my timeline.
I can't do it. I can't do it.
I got to I got to focus on this timeline with the show.
So Imma have to go back and rewatch those movies and kind of
try to see if I can connect dots.
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But I mean, we've been saying since Miss Kirsch showed up,
well, at least since the second time we saw her with Lily in the
diner, we were like, something right about her.
Yeah. So I and, and the fact that
she's connected to Lily, she's connected to Hank Grogan.
I I don't know, I'm kind of likeAnthony, like whatever, I I
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don't know any wise that I take just having he just did the run
his I think like really, this thing is in the water, like
where the hell you come from? Yeah, but but so so something
they adding up about the curses.Yeah.
To me, yeah, I know. Yeah, drinking too.
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Look, drinking too much of the dairy water.
And I have a feeling just based on how things are going, this
next episode is going to give usa little bit of that answer
because something's got to come up about her sneaking off with
him in the daylight. Yeah.
In the woods and then come to myhouse and.
They can't and he can't leave because they get all the roads.
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Locked up, come down in the basement.
I'm down to the sewers. Absolutely not.
I will not be going into your basement, man.
Oh no. I'm not going into your house,
but you are ready. You are willing to take a murder
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app to protect her so that she doesn't get hurt and possibly so
you don't get hurt so you won't get lynched.
You know what? I'm good.
I'm good. You can just, you can just you
can go back to town. You can just leave me here in
the woods. I take my chances.
I might climb a tree and just sit there for a couple of days.
I will take my chances. Oh my brother, pick a direction
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and start walking. And just start walking.
And just start walking a straight line, pick a direction,
stay off the roads. Be like Frodo, don't get on the
roads, stay off the roads. Sir, because this is not going
to end well for you. It's not no and I have a feeling
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if he did make the Sarsan he he would have been killed in
Sarsan. Oh yeah.
And they were counting on that. So they didn't have to do any
more with the case, right? They were completely counting on
that. Yep.
Absolutely. And then I I was listening to
what he said. He was like, yeah, you know,
maybe you'll be OK. The last fish we sent in there
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didn't make it a week. And I was thinking back to
Shawshank Redemption and the waythat they kind of initiate the
quote, UN quote new fish that I was like, yeah, no, I don't
think he would make it. Yeah.
Because even in even in jail, even in prison, and you hear
this all the time, there is a even the most hardened of
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criminals don't like people who fuck with kids, right?
They they really don't. So yeah.
They don't like kid molesters, kid killers, and they're like.
Rapists. Yeah.
So yeah, he would. I I don't think he would have
made it that first night, but oh, OK, We got what we got 3
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episodes left. So what else do we need?
Look, what else do we need to know?
We need to know what's going on with Halloran.
What's in the box. We need to know what's in the
box. What's in the box.
Oh. You know you got to be a certain
a certain type of person to get that reference certain age.
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Right. Oh, this is the one thing we
forgot. So, yeah, Grogan tells his
little ladylove. Oh, yeah, I think I got someone
who can help us. So now Charlotte is about to be
pulled into this. Yeah, on top of everything else
that's going on with her family.Because now your.
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Husband and killed his best friend your son snuck out and
went into the sewers to go look for this thing that is so
dangerous that you guys had to move out of your house like.
So that's the other thing how hegoing to find her she on base.
So I get I mean, it's not like she at his house and she can get
a call from him because she ain't at home.
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So I'm trying to figure out how he going to find her.
I don't know, because when he said that, I was like, Brad,
she, you. OK.
And she showed up on the base curse.
Mrs. Curse showed up on the. Base.
Yeah. Oh, that's right.
I forgot. She did.
She did go to the base. Which?
How do you how do you know Mike?I'm I'm confused.
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Like maybe she went to her housefirst and then maybe a neighbor
was like, oh, they moved back tothe base or something.
I'm telling you, the math ain't math.
And. No, because think about it, you
you really think Missus Kirsch is going to show up at a black
family's house? Well that's not traffic I like.
I forgot she even came to the base.
How did he know? He wouldn't have known.
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That's yeah, I'm, I'm like Anthony something right?
If he could, if he could, if he could manifest, if he could
manifest as Maddie, yeah, who knows what that motherfucker can
do. Yeah.
Oh, and you know what? OK, what if what if everybody
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did die on the bus and he ate that ate ate.
What's his name? Hank.
And now? He running around us Hank about
to go eat up some other people. I will lose every piece of my IT
that I got. Because somehow we know.
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We, we know. I don't know.
This is going to be interesting because one of the previews has
the club burning with the the place that the black soldiers
built was on. Fire.
And everybody joints right. So I have a feeling Hank is
probably going to be there and everyone they're all going to
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assume like all the white folks like well, maybe they keep they
hiding him and and Hank and Hankair quotes Hank making sure
everybody comes there so he can get his big blow out for the end
of the cycle. That's what I want to say.
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The Augury and as they mentioned, you know he has, he
has one big massacre before he goes back into hiding, so.
Oh, I like, I like Dean. I like Dean.
How you think? And they're like, why?
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OK, Sole Survivor. Sole Survivor.
Hill specifically needed to be the survivor in a in a situation
where unless he was going to keep more more stuff up.
But then. Well did they say he was the
only survivor? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just watched it not too long ago, and Charlotte's watching,
(55:06):
Watching. She's in her house and it comes
on the news. It was first, it was something
else and I forgot the other story that was was before that,
but. Then he escaped.
And said that he escaped that that, you know, and then
everybody else was dead. And I was like, and how he just
happened to be the one to still be alive.
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They're going to be like, oh, hewas the one that killed them,
but then they got to answer like, how did he get loose?
But you know, it's very weird. Shit happens all the time, so
OK. That would be so much fun if
he's dead. Poor Ronnie though.
I feel bad for Ronnie but it would be hilarious if he was
dead and he bout to come in there and start really messing
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stuff up. Listen.
Oh, yeah, because that is another way to get like a big
massacre type thing going. You know, you, you have the the
forbidden love aspect. You let that one little detail
get out. You're going to have the white
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mob coming after the black guy and then you're going to have
the black people be like, hold up.
Like, yeah, he he fucking with the white girl, but you ain't
just about to cut it. It's it's going to be a
bloodbath. Oh, and and who was Charlie
talking to on the phone? Probably MLK or JFK or RFK or
(56:30):
one of them FK one of the FK's. Yeah, I don't remember her
saying specifically anybody's name, so maybe.
She didn't. So that that's another mystery
because again, we don't, we don't know a lot about
Charlotte's connections. We just know that apparently she
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has some, so who knows who she could have called?
All we know for certain Halloranis safe.
Yeah, if I say though, is he really dead, people?
I think she might have been talking to Rose, now that I
think about it, because now remember, she gave her number
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and was like, call me if anything happens.
Or if you need a friend. Or if.
You might be Rose. Yeah, you might be right.
And of course, Rose would kind of know what's going on.
Yeah, So because. They also did show like right
after they said that he escaped.They also did show that not
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Niebolt and Rhetta, the streets were going to be closed off to
the town or whatever and becauseof the military.
OK, so maybe some of these pieces are starting to fit
together. I just tell you they need to
stop playing with my my emotions.
But all this stuff, because thisis.
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It's like, how do you? How do you deal with something
that's in your mind? You can't even, you can't really
fight it like. Maybe, maybe it is smarter than
I think it is because it's like it's playing for the chess and
they playing, they playing, you know, they're bowling, they're
(58:22):
playing. The Atari 2600 version.
And. Play PS-5 right?
I mean, because. Yeah, I mean because the the
master he did with the gangland violence like he he made made it
look like 1 gang did something to the other gang and then they
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like came after each other. That's the black and white thing
that's that's going to come in the factor.
Hank and he got a little it's like I'm going to have to get.
Food, these babies as a child, Iguess it does work because it
would have access to everyone's fears in the city and they just
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plays on on their fear and that's it.
That's all it has to do. There's a little spark here,
little spark there, spark over here.
Everything's in motion and you just sit back and watch.
Yep. And you know Mr. Kirch, the
butcher is going to figure in into all of that.
(59:26):
Because I just thought about what y'all he's a butcher.
He's about to come after Hank with a butcher knife and it's
about to be a whole bunch of mess.
Yeah, he going to get somebody riled up because everybody going
to be like that. Poor Mr. Curse the Butcher.
That's the butcher's. Wife the.
Bitch's wife. Oh Lord.
(59:50):
And she met she fooling around with a with a Kitty.
Murderer. Oh yeah.
And you know she ain't going to get none of that.
Blame to a certain degree is going to be what did you do to
her? Yeah, so.
OK, so it's funny that we're talking about this because now I
(01:00:10):
just thought about something that a friend of mine posted
online and I'm assuming it's because she saw yesterday's
episode and she was saying something like being black and
Stephen King is A2 edged. No A2 double edged sided war.
She had a 2 sided war. Like it's always 1.
You know, they always got fightsbeing black on both sides of
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things. And I was just like, what does
that mean? And now we're talking about
this. And I'm like, huh, Maybe that is
what what happens. Yeah.
Because. Yeah.
Because because again, like on the one hand, when when you're
going out and you're looking forlike the reviews or the
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discussions about the show, there are a lot of people who
are praising the fact that the show centers on black
characters, black families. OK, We had this discussion.
What the last episode of the episode before that.
On the one hand, that's good. We we got some representation.
We got them front and center. But at the same time, when
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you're putting them in this in this time specifically, yeah, it
might not always be a good thingbecause, you know, they're going
to have to deal with some of thethe racial tension, the racial
backlash, especially. I mean, even even with them
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being in the North because, yeah, the North was a lot better
than the South, but it wasn't perfect.
They weren't just like all embracing with open arms.
You still have your idiots in your ass hats like we saw in the
first couple of episodes. So with the smoke, with the
smoke or stacks and sinners with.
Yeah, like Mississippi with whatdo you say?
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With skyscrapers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know. I'm just, I don't think this is
going to end well for Hank Grogan, if it hasn't already
ended for Hank Grogan. These days was never, Never,
Yeah. They are.
Yeah, they are. Definitely.
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There's no way he's getting. No, no.
If he if like like Dennis said, he might already be dead.
He. Might, yeah.
Which would make it so good, I mean bad for him, but I would
really like. Up the stakes, yeah, yeah.
And as far as the kids go, I don't know if I feel like Rich
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is going to make it a. Little Rich.
And and because he's the cutest one, but also I feel like he's
the only one. With some damn sense.
Because he's the one that's likey'all, we are kids we should not
be doing this. Like no, the adults are not
going to believe us. Yes, they think that you
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attacked this girl. Like who wouldn't think that?
Who wouldn't think that getting what they it was?
Like my bar? He was listening to them all.
My Barber, my auntie. Do you wash my car?
Uncle Jose, who mowed lawns. Because who's?
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Going to believe some other stuff.
I mean, at least March had the the the mindset that she was
like, OK, you know what's up about this shit ain't right.
So let me keep my mouth shut before I end up at Juniper Hill
next. And, and like you said, I'm glad
she came out and said it. I'm glad she proved herself to
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be Lily's friend when it came, when when I was said and done.
Yes, I hate that you had to go through what you went through.
But you know what? Looking at the damage her eye
has, she got off easy. Yeah.
Oh yeah. She got off easy and and that
little scratch, look, if you gotto deal with that little scratch
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in order to understand that there is something way bigger
going on here than you being a part of the patter cakes.
OK, you know what then? Then that's what we do at.
Least. Mars was like, look, you're my
friend, I'm so sorry, what do I need to do to help?
And she didn't hesitate. So I like that about her at.
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Least she ain't floating. That's.
All right, And that's because Lily saved her.
Yep. And on that note, I think we can
be done. Because anyway.
Wait to watch this. I might watch it tonight.
I don't know. I might not need no bad dreams,
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but. Are you talking about the next
episode? Yeah, because now I'm ready to
see what's going to happen. I think I'm going to wait till
tomorrow to do that. Oh, and and for some of those
people listening, make sure you go check out Hanukkah's Facebook
page where Erica Rose Pennywise.Listen, I'm going to have to
make that post public because it's so funny.
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Somebody posted a meme and they were like, if Erica Sinclair was
in dairy, she'd have shut Pennywise down the first night.
And so Anthony and a couple other people started putting
their own Erica quotes up under the post.
And when I say hilarious, I'm gonna I'm gonna make that
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public. I'm gonna make it public and
probably share it to the PhantomHybrid Facebook page because
yeah, it was hilarious. But you know, I did think about
that. I was like, you know, who's one
kid that Penny wise probably would not like everybody.
I think somebody else said in the post, they say y'all noticed
that Beckman ain't messed with Erica cause Beckman don't want
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that smoke. He don't want it.
'Cause she's not weak, she not weak, not in a little bit.
Because when they said that, I was like.
And that is why Erica will never.
Be right, thank you because man.And we are going to talk about
Stranger things season 5. But in in that episode when they
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came to her for help and she waslike y'all got 60 seconds and
they they're beating around the Bush and then they were like OK,
so this is what happened This happened da da da bang those
back and blah blah blah. She was like well why didn't
y'all leave? It's.
Like, you know what, Erica is going to handle some business
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and she would definitely, I feel, be a worthy adversary for
Penny Wise. So I don't know, some look, some
fan fiction authors go go write that story.
Go write that story. I need, I need a battle between
Erica Vechner and Penny Wise. Penny wise, you were shriveled
up so quick. Oh yeah, she would have been
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like. This, all the fear that he had
collected, she would just suck it right back out of him.
Yeah, he'd be like, oh wait, I'mscared.
What? What is this feeling?
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
with Anthony and Dina and we arediscussing episode 5 of It's
Welcome to Dairy. And Anthony, you said you got
thoughts. OK, All right.
So first, first thought, first thought, first thought, how we
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forget about Nurse curse like we're trying to figure out the
available available women and and wait, who else?
How do you think about her? We've well, because I think, I
think it's because we thought, all of us kind of had the
feeling we were like something ain't right about her, but we
were just thinking the wrong. Kind of.
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We were thinking the wrong kind of something, but something
definitely wasn't right. Where is wrong?
Something we wrong with something?
Did we really know? I don't feel like we did.
We know her last name. And then did we think anything
about 'cause he Kirsch is the, the, the, the store guy, right?
The guy that was like, you know,he offered to help her get stuff
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off the shelves in the other episode, Lily.
Oh. Oh wait, the store guy, 'cause
that's where he was, Mr. Curry. I don't I don't know, but I
don't think it was him. But the but the the crazy thing
about her is like, and throughout the entire episode,
like they were throwing us little clues.
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I didn't catch none. I wasn't paying any attention
because I was so focused on the fact that Maddie showed back up.
So it's like when Lily went to go see her at the house and the
husband came out and he was, of course, menacing.
And where's my steak? Don't you overcook.
Nothing about oh, no, I can't say who she is because of who
her husband. Nothing about that click, even
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when he was in the backseat of the car.
It still didn't click. No, because they kept focusing
on her hands. Her hands were steady.
If this was somebody she was scared of, her hands would have
been shaken. I missed all the context clues
with this one because when they got out the car and they were
looking at each other, I was like, oh, so And then something
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clicked right before they grabbed each other.
I was like, oh. No, as soon as soon as she got
in the car I said God damn it isher because I was like he in the
back seat. I told him he in the back seat
and she was like OK and damn it he was in the backseat.
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Soon as I saw she had a husband I knew it was her because we was
trying to figure out who was married.
A girl didn't think who was married.
Soon as I said she had a husband, I said oh.
I wasn't even thinking about it at my point.
Because you know what? I'm focused, OK?
So I'm trying to find the connection between because in
this universe, in a movie, Beverly goes to see Miss Kirsch
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and that's who it is pretending to be or who it is in the
apartment that attacks, that's Miss Kirsch.
That makes sense. Because I've been trying to
feed, I've been trying to put her with Pennywise this whole
time and I wouldn't even thinking about always.
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Her. We weren't thinking about Grogan
at that point because we were like, OK, he on his way to
Shawshank. Lily is trying to you know, Lily
is trying to get some help. I'm trying to figure out the
connection between her and Pennywise and then I'm looking
I'm like that she maybe she is Pennywise and then because but I
wasn't thinking about none of that other stuff.
I was like God damn. Like literally they right before
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they grabbed each other the light bulb went off in my head.
I was like, oh Hanukkah, you missed all the context clues in
this one. And the second thing, Speaking
of contest clues, them kids is fucking gullible because I saw
that hand. I said come on guys as.
Soon as I heard the cop, I was like, if that's Maddie, man, I'm
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running. The thing that really got me
because I was like, OK, did he really like?
I don't know what it was with this episode.
I was trying to believe all the stuff, but when Maddie came out,
when that mother fucker was paler than a piece of paper, I
said something right about him. Something is not right about
him. Was like, I understand you've
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been in the sewers, but boy wereyou drinking the sewer water?
Well, technically speaking he was, but was like, you look ill
boy, I'm saying. I say, y'all, he he don't leave
leftovers. He just.
Don't. And you finally get out of the
sewer and you're like, don't tell nobody.
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I don't want to go home to my dad.
At this point you really your dad is worse than the sewer.
That's what I I said. I said I want to know.
Like we still need to get some Maddie back story because I want
to know exactly how bad your dadwas that you would like.
I'd rather go back to the store sewers than him.
Because we got to think about it.
Pennywise gets into their minds so he he has their memories.
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He knows what he knows what their fears are.
This boy's dad scared him so much he ran away or he tried to
run away. Lily, the boy stuck his fingers
through the drain pipe. He is gone, Gone, gone, gone.
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Lily and she holding on. They holding on to a little bit
of hope. Yeah, he gone.
But Susan, the the hand came like this.
I saw he going to pretend to be mad but they they don't no they
so gullible. They are and they were.
So your. Children, they had to have hope.
They were trying to look. They were trying to find a way
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to defeat him. Mars is now on board.
Did you say hope? Did you say hope?
Don't you do it? Don't you?
Do it, don't you Do It is a place where dreams go to hope.
I know you're so chilling. I said it, but Oh my SO.
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Those are highlights. Oh, third highlight.
What's in the box? Don't open the box.
I'm I'm curious, I need to know.Well, I can well you if if I'm
wrong or not, if I'm right, if it's the same as in the book
Dick in in in in the signing, Dick tells Daniel that he tells
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him to create a box to put the spirits in that he was saying
and Dick put his trauma the the abuse that he suffered.
I. Kind of figured.
That's what it was because he was afraid that it would
overwhelm him. So he put in, he put that trauma
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the the sexual abuse, he put allthat in the box.
I was wondering, I couldn't remember what the what the
significance was. I couldn't remember.
So that makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
Because that's so online, someone was like, oh, he put the
spirit of his grandfather in there.
If they're doing it different than the book, OK.
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But if they're going with the book, it's his trauma.
My first thought was it was his ability to see the dead.
He stuffed that power in there because he didn't want to see
him. Yeah, man.
Because you know, when he came out, the first person he saw was
poor Paul. Oh my God.
That, that's number four. Sad.
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Boys, But then I tell y'all, Polly was going to die.
Did you say Polly was going to die?
I didn't think it was going to be in that way.
So those are my 4 highlights. OK, gotcha.
What about you, Dana? So one of my things I, I, I
actually kind of like in this episode was Marge just coming
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straight with Lily and just being like, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I didn't believe you. This is crazy.
And I told them, you know, whatever they needed to hear so
they wouldn't blame you, even though she knows that people
won't still blame her. But like she immediately was
like, OK, this is messed up. This is what my friend been
going through. I didn't get my shit together.
And so I like that she, I mean, it was a traumatic thing she had
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to go through to get there, but it wasn't one of those things
where like she needed to, you know, fake, she need to figure
stuff out or she need to be mad at somebody or whatever.
She just immediately was like, sis, you was right.
You ain't crazy. And what can I do to help?
Right. And I was like, OK, Marge, you
OK? You got this?
You got. And I thought it was cute to
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her. And Rich was holding hands.
It was cute. The other thing I really, really
loved is, and I can't think of her name, Miss.
Was it bro? Was it Rose?
Is it Auntie? Yes, auntie came in there
telling her boy what he needed to do and was like, you know
what, just baby you, you, you got the power here, you know,
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and I like that. And even when he was like speak
English, which, oh, let me just tell you, my skin was crawling.
I'm like, OK, white man telling the natives who belong here to
speak English. Well, I wanted to snap.
I was like, it's ATV show girl. It's ATVI know, but I love that
scene because I like I really love how they were communicating
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how she was giving him a lowdownwithout, you know, them even
figuring it out. I thought that was really a good
thing. What else?
I actually I love that. Oh boy, came out there and
started shooting and our girl who like to be in the middle of
everything, got a little little fear in her dropping down on the
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ground. Like OK, you see, everything
ain't coaster. Yeah, that was feeling Susie's
dad. Yeah.
Yeah, she saw Penny Wise, you know, iteration Penny Wise and
and yeah, she saw that. And so I was like, now are you
going to stick? Are you going to calm down and
mind your business for a little bit, sis?
Because I, I feel like you need to do that.
Your son is in the sewer right now because you don't know where
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the hell yet. So I I kind of like that scene
too. And they are also like right
after that, your husband comes in.
He was like, OK, look what I'm about to tell you.
Going to sound just a little bitcrazy, but I need you to believe
me because we got to get the hell.
Out Now what? What was funny was he went the
shot, you let us move, he said Hold up, hold up.
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You're supposed to move on to the base.
I said oh base, I never told. You to move to there.
You wanted to have a normal. Life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on you, partner, that's
on you. Right, I mean, he could have
still warned him when he said hewanted to move, but I guess in
the guys thoughts he was probably thinking like well
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maybe they'll be OK, whatever, no big deal 'cause it doesn't
clearly doesn't affect every child, right.
Like so you know, he might have thought they would have been all
right, but. Also handling wasn't on the
team, he wasn't on the quote UN quote on the team at that point
yet that's true. So it's like, how much do you
trust him with to say, I don't think it's a good idea for y'all
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to stay in town because immediately he's going to want
to know why and why you don't have.
And he might change his mind. He black.
Well, you know what? We just not going to move there.
Deuce says yeah, right. Yeah, he right.
He might Black. Well, if you don't want me to
move, I have to stay on base. Nah, that's alright.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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It's There's a lot of good stuffin this episode though.
It was so for me. I like being right.
I like the fact that Pennywise basically told Lily, yeah,
you're the one that's bringing everybody to me because you're
such a good friend. Like like you are bringing the
buffet to the sewers. I like you.
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I'm going to keep you. I'm going to keep you around up
until he start running towards her and again, y'all and we get
him doing the run, we get him asCharlotte doing her.
I'm gonna need you. We don't need to have a quota of
two of these runs every episode and y'all have done this for the
last three episodes. I'm gonna need y'all to quit.
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I'm gonna need you to quit. But the the effects, the
practical effects those see job,whatever it is that they are
doing with his face. Yeah.
When he started running towards Lily with his mouth open and the
light catches him and his eye does that little jump, I felt I
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was like this is supposed to be scary.
I was cracking up cuz his eye did that jump.
Like seriously, right now, rightnow, Just when I'm about to have
a snack right now. The good one.
Right and then he just kind of stopped that.
I twitches. He looks down like fuck.
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He starts backing up and Lily issitting there looking like you
scared of a little light. Oh OK, we got this.
But I I will say this, I got to give it to my girl Lily.
She was being brave because whenI say her friends took tail and
ran and I know that the separation was probably Penny
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Wise's design because like my daughter was watching the
episode with me. She said how did she get so
lost? She literally was right behind
them when she fell. And I'm like he's been doing
that the whole episode because even with the army guys, y'all
just right there. It's not like y'all had a whole
bunch of directions to go to because y'all were all trying to
stay. Same way, yeah.
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Together and he separated y'all into what, 123 different groups?
Yeah, and. And he teleported.
Dick activated too. He told him somewhere.
I didn't know he could do that. I didn't know he could.
I don't. Know if.
He, I don't know if he actually did that or if that was just in
Dick's mind. Yeah, but he totally
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disappeared. Like that's true.
The only thing I can think of ishe had them off to the side and
made it to where they couldn't see him.
Could be, yeah. Or he just like when he went
underwater, he just drug him wherever because he ended up.
Outside. The the sewer at some point, so
maybe he just kind of pulled them under the water and they
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were like, where'd he go? Or he could have been, he could
have been blocked. He could have just been blocking
the view of the other two guys and showing them what they fear.
Because I'm going to tell y'all now.
When they looked in that tunnel and that hand came out and said
I want you. And it was a ghost of Uncle Sam,
I fell out laughing. I was like, how amazing is this?
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Well, that's the thing that's annoying.
It's like they're like anything that doesn't feel right, just
shoot it. And I'm like, that was such a
bad command because. Between that was a set up.
Right, because it was just like,why would you just automatically
start shooting if something's playing with your mind, you
know, you don't know who you looking at.
It could be a whole like, you know, and I just thought that
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was, I was like, that was some poor commanding right there,
buddy. I was, I was, this is off the
topic, but I was talking to the person that related to by
marriage who I live with. And I was pondering and you know
out loud, you think it would be beneficial for it to let them
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find the artifacts so we could escape.
But she said she posited the idea that it's hunger is so
great. Yeah.
It's all smorgasbord. She's like, you ain't really
that smart if you really think about it.
Like it, it wasn't thinking about trying to escape.
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It was like, oh, this is a meal down here.
You can give a damn about the pillars.
I got access to food right? Now like, oh, Golden Corral came
to me. I got a weird.
I got a weird connection. OK, so like, you know how on
Lilo and snitch Stitch? I'm sorry, Snitch.
I've been drinking Lilo and Stitch How they had him like
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locked down because he wasn't controllable and all that stuff
and ever. And then he got he got away and
that. So maybe whoever locked him down
or did whatever they did to put him inside that Obsidian or
whatever was like he's just out here doing doing, doing things.
He ain't got no rhyme or reason.He just out here being wildly
put him in his bank because he just doing too much wherever he
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came from. And that was kind of his thing
where he just wasn't smart or anything.
He just was led by hunger and led by like carnage and they
might have thought like we need to like get him off wherever the
heck we from because he was likethat.
Because I feel like he definitely, I mean he's not an
idiot, obviously, because he knows how to play with people's
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minds, But I do think, like you said, he he's just he's nothing.
He's just carnal. Everything about him is carnal.
Like it's nothing like he's not trying to build a, a House of
it's, he's not trying to reproduce, he's not trying to
take over the earth. And at some point, if he had
means to do it, he would just eat everybody's fear and kill
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everybody off. And then what?
What's he going to do then? You know, so that makes a lot of
sense. It's smart enough to not kill
everyone off so you have a steady supply of food.
Yeah. Right.
Well, that part, yeah, because 20.
Seven years. It could kill everybody in
dairy, but it it realized that this is a limited food supply.
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Yeah. Because there.
It is if you kill everyone in the town, I've, you know, even
though we talk about how, you know, he kind of, you know, puts
the little cloud over everyone and, and people just kind of
they're, they're foggy about what's going on.
If a whole town disappeared, that's going to be enough for
people to say, you know what, I'm not crossing this border.
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They did it before because in the story you see all the
sellers that came here had killed.
Yeah. Because what I also think, like
him being trapped there, he has no choice but to make the food
constantly. Like if he could move, he
probably wouldn't carbonate as much, you know, because.
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But since he's stuck in a place where this is the only place
where I can eat, you know? Yeah, it's fun enough to figure
out, but he just sort of just adapted to its situation.
Right. Like the last time they killed
all the settlers, it had no food.
He was like. Yeah, because the native were
like, what we're not going to dois cross this border or or go
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into these woods. Yeah.
Right. And then once the new settlers
came and they were like, don't go in there.
They went in there anyway, he realized.
I can't kill them all. I just kid and it's just just
adapted over the 300 years or so.
Yeah, or I mean, probably longerthan that, but yeah.
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But so this was the thing that Ithought was interesting because
the way that I can't remember the general's name, so I'm just
going to call him Francis because that's the name that we
hear the most. So Francis is telling Rose his
plan when she comes to confront him about her nephew.
And he's basically and, and whathe tells Hanlon, he's basically
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like, OK, this is what we're going to do.
So we figured out that these tunnels are under the house.
We're going to send a team out. They're going to secure the 13
artifacts and they're going to move them closer to kind of, you
know, they're going to try to enclose Pennywise in a smaller.
Circle smaller prison. Maybe it's just me, but I feel
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like the math wasn't mashing because the people that you sent
was nowhere near enough to do the plan that you just talked
about doing. Not with 13 pillars and you got
to move them all right? I don't even think you had 13
people down there total. I don't even I don't even think
they realized the distance they had to do this because it's
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supposed to be the border like around Derry.
So I. Mean, you know, you know, I
mean, Derry is a, it's a small town, but it's not, it's not,
oh, we all just going to walk there in like 20 minutes type of
small. Because if you remember the the
the flashback we saw, those smoke stacks was way out.
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Miles. Miles.
Yeah, that house is what in the center?
In the center. Supposed to be yeah.
So I was, I was a little bit confused about that.
I was like, OK, something about this plan just does not seem
right. And I don't know if it was just
that maybe he has something elsethat he's trying to accomplish
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and he's just telling Rose and handling what he needs them to
hear in order for them to go along with it.
Because of course, you know, once Rose has her confrontation
with him, she was like, OK, you're going to need my help.
Or at least let me prepare Taniel so that he can help you.
And basically what she said was fuck them.
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You going to go in here with this with this weapon, you going
to make sure that you're protected.
You won't let the thing finish them off.
And we just going to be done with it.
You know, she's she's not caringat this point.
And I can't really say that I blame her because here you are
again. We we got to go back to this the
first time we told y'all not to cross these borders.
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We told y'all not to go into theforest and you went anyway and
you got wiped out. So here you are again.
The natives have been protectingthis land.
They've been protecting this city for the most part.
Yeah, you got a few casualties, but it's not carnage.
They've been protecting it. And here you go, Little white
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man all of a sudden remembers. And he was like, oh, you know
what? We can close it and we can
control it and we can put on a leash.
She was like dude no this is notwhat you going to do.
How you going to do that? How you going to do that?
Even if you think about it the way that he's talking about
doing, if, if if you send 13 teams out, you find the pillars,
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even if everyone digs at the same time and all like, OK,
we're going to dig up these things and then get on the walk
and talk, OK, Everybody take 10 paces in, OK.
Even if you do that, you're not really like there's got to be
something vulnerable there one, because you don't quite know
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exactly how this works because you really think the natives are
about to tell y'all the entire thing.
No, just like she didn't tell them about the the shark that
she gave to Tango that, oh, thisthing will we'll keep it away
because what will they do if they do it?
They're going to take it. They're going to be like, OK,
fuck him. We, we're just going to take it
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and we're going to do whatever. We're going to try.
Oh, let's go try to hunt him or let's go try to caption.
At some point you just got to let the idiots be idiots and
just do what they gonna do. But.
Yeah, it's that mindset, you know, like, oh, they're savage.
They're this, that, that. But then you come to this
country and you can't even farm.You can't stay alive.
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They got to help you stay alive.And then they they hold this
thing now, been doing it for centuries.
But you come and say no, no, no,we, we, we better, we know more.
We we got this. We can use this as a weapon,
don't you think? If it was anything I think that
could be done to be beneficial to help everybody else out,
don't you think they would have done it already?
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Yeah, by now. But they're basically like, OK,
you know what? We're going to leave him in this
little area here and yeah, we just going to leave him alone.
I mean, think about it in the previous episode when they gave
us the the back story, they werelike they lived in harmony with
it and they were like you stay on your side of the of the white
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chalk line. We going to stay on ours and we
just gone. It's going to be copaceted.
We we're good. It's even like when they were in
the meeting in this episode, thegirl was saying he goes and does
his thing and then we get we getour years of peace like you do
you whatever it is you going to do.
And then we get our peace like they made whatever decision need
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to be made. Yeah, because even when he was
talking about it, he said we don't have as many casualties in
this cycle as we did in 35 and in O 8.
He was like, yeah, we had, I think what he say, 27 casualties
and he was talking about the number of children, he said.
But it's not as many compared towhat we've seen, right?
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And then you got the one person who was like, well, you hurry
up, dude. No, because guess what?
If this is going to keep all of us alive, you shut your trap.
You let him talk, but however long he want to talk.
I'm sorry I see any details. Whatever has been working for
several 100 years. So you keep your mouth closed
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and stick to the program. And make sure you remember what
the hell I'm saying, because you're going to be the first
idiot to get Ada. You better be taking notes.
Right, right, right. But let me OK, so, so let's go
back because we, we got to talk about this whole thing with the
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kids because I don't know what it is about the kid.
And I, well, let me not say thatI know it's because the adults
don't don't listen, don't want to believe them.
They feel like they have nowhereto turn.
And again, I, I kind of felt badfor Lily because she was just
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kind of like in this, in all of this bad things, you know,
everything bad that's happened, There's that one little piece of
hope. Oh, look, there's Maddie.
I'm sure alarms were going off in her head because if you look
at Maddie, something will tell you that ain't quite Maddie, you
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know what I'm saying? But she wanted to have hope.
Shut up, Anthony, she wanted to have it.
She had her little slice of it. But the crazy thing is when she
tries to convince everybody else, like Rich, I love my man
Rich, and I'm so scared that he's going to be next because
Rich is the voice of reason witheverything.
Because Ronnie is wanting them to go one way, Lily's wanting
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them to go one way, and Rich is like, what the hell are both of
y'all talking about? No, we don't need to be doing
this, but when I say when she pulled out the little container
with Mommy's little helper. Oh.
My gosh, she was. Like, yeah, we got, we're going
to take as many as we can. My mom eats these like M&M's, my
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daughter's background. Like, sweetheart, your mother is
a lot bigger than you. It probably doesn't affect her
the way it's. Going, she's been taking it so
much longer. You just go and jump in with
three, Lady jump in with three, three.
How we go from 1:00 to 3:00? And it's 10 O clock in the
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morning. The only person who we've seen
any breakfast is Will. So they all doing this on an
empty stomach. I was like, oh, this is not
going to go well. This is not going to go well at
all. I'm just screaming at the TV
like baby, baby, baby. Three though, come on now.
Just just one. That's one.
Do I have two? Right?
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Like, just work your way up whatyou see.
In the end, it really didn't matter because they were all
scared to say yeah. All it did was make them hide
until they got some real fear. And then it was like adrenaline
kicked in and it didn't work. Right.
Because I tell you, when Maddie,when he walked up there, he was
like, I thought it was right. I was like, something's not
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right. And then when they turn around,
they all looked they were all looking down the the tunnel
because they heard handling calling for Caloran.
When Maddie starts walking up there, he starts on the I said,
is this give us a pole dance before he eats these Maddie pole
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dance, baby. Then he starts singing.
Then you see the kids and I was like, you know what?
I really, I really did not need to see the kids that way.
Like we already saw them torn apart, smashed, and and just the
description that fate Maddie gave.
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I didn't need to see them like that.
I didn't need to see poor littleSusie, and I didn't need to see
Teddy with his head open and I didn't need to see Phil with my.
Yeah. And then when I saw the ham come
out of their tent, I knew it wasnot going to end well for the
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kids when he said, oh, let's take you.
Let's go to the sewers and get Teddy.
Yeah, no. Yeah, no.
So if he's still alive after allthis time, he going to have to
figure out how to get out because I'm not going in the
sewer. Nope.
I am an anchor today, I bet you that.
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Absolutely not. You would not see me floating.
Nope. No, and and that was the other
crazy thing because they kept using the floating metaphors.
She, she talked about, you know,the, the anchor or the lifeboat
talking about that's where her dad said basically trying to get
them to, you know, trying to convince them to go and save
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feel. And then when they're inside and
they're talking, she said something about, oh, when she's
talking about the, the pills andshe's having her little, not
necessarily hallucination, but you can see that they're all
getting high. She was like, Oh, this feels
like you did When I went to Doctor Wagner's office, it felt
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like I was floating on. She's getting ready to say
floating on air. And then all of a sudden they
hear the voice and I was like, right, right, this is we don't
want to do no floating. And then of course, you see Dick
Halloran floating in the water. I was like, you know what?
Just no, we're just we're. Just.
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Happening. They they sobered up real quick.
Real quick like my daughter saidoh them anti anxiety pills and
do shit. Nope.
Nope. Because I'm sorry, once you see
your so-called friend's head split open and something is
crawling out, no. No, when they like.
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And. Then most of the twirl.
Was twirling around singing the song on the pole and then he
started the back of his head. I said Oh no.
No, I'm pretty sure we know thisis not Maddie.
Guys, can we run now? Like what are y'all waiting on
all? Right, all right.
Soon as he started getting up onthe pole, I would have been out,
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'cause I'm like, OK, you know what?
Because as soon as he made that first turn, you see that.
You see the head splitting open.That was your cue, kitties.
But of course, you're too high to notice that.
You're probably thinking it's aneffect of the medication.
You're like, are we really seeing this?
When he starts singing in that creepy voice, that's when you
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leave. Because I'm pretty sure we'll
recognize that voice caller for Halloween.
Will, I'm gonna need you to run to your daddy.
I'm glad he took his time though, because if he had been
maybe 2 seconds quicker, he'd been dead.
But. I need you to run to your daddy
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like he just any. What's crazy is he didn't even
listen. Polly is literally like, dude,
what are you doing? He ain't listening to nothing.
Polly's saying just shooting anddoing.
He was like, I actually see him,right?
So Polly put tune together and see.
OK so here's the other thing that I found very very
interesting about this episode because I don't know about
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y'all, but it don't look like Major Hamlin is fear proof, at
least not by not going by this episode.
So I was talking to one of my coworkers about it today because
she had to ask a bunch of questions about stuff she didn't
understand. And what I think it is is his
fear for his life. He doesn't have that.
But when it comes to his child and his wife, he's afraid for
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them. But I don't think he has.
Like, he don't care about himself.
Like whatever happens to me happens, but he has fear about
them. And so, yeah.
Because because when when fake Charlotte came around that
corner, he looked real scared. Yeah.
And I was like, you know, because I feel like he, he
probably was like, oh, no, my wife is been got, my wife done,
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got, got. And then of course he probably
figured it out like it wasn't her.
So I got it. But then you got to shoot your
wife in the face. It's like, yeah.
Yeah. And it's like, it's not like she
is not the only negative emotionthat we experienced.
So there's concern, surprise, shock.
You know, those are. Monroe was scared.
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He was scared. Will you sum all those up?
They just totally bypasses the actual fear itself.
The actual fear, like I don't even think he was scared he was
going to die honestly. Like it was him that was you.
Know yeah, no, I don't think he was scared that he was going to
die but he was like when he saw Charlotte he was definitely
scared that something had happened to her and then once he
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realized that it was faking whenhe tell you know when he tells
Polly look, if you see anything that doesn't belong down here
you shoot it. But when your son and and I
guess also you're acting in the heat of the moment you're not
thinking about the fact that your son has already had an
encounter with whatever this thing is.
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So his whole thing was he's on the base he shouldn't he
shouldn't be here. You're not thinking that oh OK
he's going to come down here with his friends or whatever
because you've already basicallytold me you'll see your friend
you'll see your little friends after all this is over.
I was like, how you know the friends going to be there?
But also, but also the the lack of of fear that he could be his
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son. Like he wasn't like he was
afraid that this might be him for real.
That was that that was absolutely that was absolutely
gone. He was pretty confident this was
not what it seemed It was sayinglike he didn't even second guess
himself. Yeah, yeah.
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And that that's, I think that's where where fear would have been
handy at that point. Yeah.
So you didn't? Have kept him from making the
decision he made and now his, you know, his, his, his Rd. dog
is gone because Polly was like, yo, you're not listening to me
that I see him. He's there and I don't.
I just don't think it was registering in in his mind.
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He was just like, whatever this thing is, I got to kill it.
He had already made the calculation.
One test was Charlotte, so this is obviously the next test.
Also, I do I do wonder like justhow much when, when he's when,
when, when Pennywise is messing with their minds, Like how much
is actually their mind? That's like, you know, like how
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much of that is actually his mind that's making these
decisions at that point? Because like, he didn't even
like that when a boy came around, he didn't even try to.
Like he's yelling dead. And he was.
Like I was like, it's me, it's me.
No. No, it ain't.
No, it ain't that, ain't you? That was that would have been a
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harsh lesson. Oh my God, a lesson.
Oh, he would have tried. He would have lost it right
there. He would have.
That would have been it. Literally.
But OK, so I have to ask Anthonybecause I have not read The
Shining, so I don't know a lot about Dick's background.
You said something about he's heis able to see dead people.
That is one of his powers because I don't think he could
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do that in The Shining, or at least.
Not in the movie. Not in the movie.
They didn't imply that. No, I, I was saying.
I don't remember if that was oneof his powers.
I knew about their voyance but II was wondering if that was the
power he had locked away only because at the end he saw Paulie
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and it wasn't like a version of the box was.
Open already so. OK.
OK. And then like in and in the
book, he also told Danny, because when Danny was asking
questions into the shining aboutlike the rooms and like the lady
in the room and stuff. And then he was just saying like
asking him about are they ghosts?
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Are there this, are there that? And he was just basically like,
look, you just stay away from where you ain't supposed to go
and don't go around 2:37. So I think he can see that
people because that Lady that was in that room was just one of
the things that Danny first asked about.
And he just basically told him, like, don't go.
You just don't go where you ain't supposed to go, but don't
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go looking for nothing. You'll be all right, right?
Yeah, but then in doctor sleep. But then in Doctor Sleep you you
find out that she followed Dannylike he was still he was being
haunted by the spirit. By the lady from the tub.
Yeah, Oh. I actually have to read Doctor
Sleep because I haven't read that yet.
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That's horrible. OK.
OK, that is horrifying, but I do.
See. Yeah, I, I most, I don't want to
say most, but you know, they, they have a range of, of how
powerful they are. So you find out in Doctor sleep
actually, because they only go out to the powerful ones, but
there's a range. And so it it would make sense
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that they would at least be ableto know that there's a spirit
there at the minimum that that most people see.
And as A and if you're a kid, like you're the kid and in The
Sixth Sense, like, what did he do?
He tried to ignore them and pretend they weren't there.
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He would go to a church because they don't like churches.
So he was doing his best to avoid.
And so Dick, his grandmother taught him just put that in a
box. So I'm assuming she meant put
your. Well, I thought put your powers
in the box, but then I remember in the book it was the trauma
that he put in the box. OK.
But I was wondering if they werejust trying to put it together
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and see he put some of his powers.
Because if you're a kid, that would freak you out if that's
what we're seeing all the time. Yeah, that's what we're.
Seeing dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then who knows what they were doing to him.
I mean, just like in The Sixth Sense, they kept messing with
him because they were trying to get him to help him and when he
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was ignoring them, they were hurt him because it's basically
like, you can help me. You can.
Help. They were malevolent.
They just was trying to get help.
Yeah. It's like in in Ghost when
Whoopi Goldberg actually unlocked it.
All of a sudden the whole bunch of spirits is trying to get
hurt. I'm trying to get hurt to help.
Yeah, same thing in Umbrella Academy with Klaus, the same
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thing happened with him. So OK, that that would make
sense. That would that that would
actually make it a little bit more interesting too, especially
given that I've only seen The Shining.
And then, you know, at the end of the movie or like towards the
end of the movie, right before Dick gets there, that's when we
start noticing that there are ghosts all over this hotel.
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You know, like having parties and doing this.
So if he's able to see all of that, that would be it's.
Oh gosh, OK Charlotte just ran at me on the TV.
I saw her flash off your face too, and I was like, what was
that? Listen.
And then my daughter just walkedin the room.
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Yeah, so, so horrible. The teeth thing, like why do
they got to do that? But you know, even with all of
this, this, this creepy stuff, I, I do have to say I am loving
the way that they are fleshing this story out.
Like I, I can't say I have any complaints about this show
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except for the fact that they keep doing this God damn run.
Other than that, I I like what they're doing, especially with
the with the characters. And again, going back to what
Anthony started out the episode with the whole thing with Hank
and and and misses curse. I'm just like, OK, So what kind
of repercussions is this going to have?
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Yeah, Because you know, you know, that's about to be found
out one way or the other. Oh yeah, for sure.
She 'cause then she said you want to come back to my house,
ma'am? What?
To your house. Why?
But obviously, obviously it wants him to stay there because
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remember, the bus got attacked by some beast.
Yeah, yeah. And there were casualties, but
he happened to be the. Only one that survived.
Yeah, but I mean, I could kind of understand that because right
now Hank is the he's the scapegoat.
He's the one that's oh, oh, oh, oh, Dana, you.
It's the butcher. It's the butcher.
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It's the butcher. Mr. Kirsch, It's the butcher.
The one that that Charlotte was talking to and he was like, oh,
I just meant like I lot of your new face.
It's him. It's him.
That's the husband. It's him.
Because I was like, we talk. We have seen this man and we we
have heard Mr. We've heard the name and we've seen this man
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before. I just couldn't place where I
saw him. It's the Butcher.
He's not a nice man at home. He's not a nice man at all.
That makes me curious now about that whole situation.
Yeah. And then that makes sense.
He was like, you cook my steak, they cook it right, blah, blah,
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blah. Right.
But in the store, when he met Charlotte, he was so nice and so
friendly and so welcoming. And so maybe he did mean it the
way she thought he meant it, butthen he he course corrected to
make it seem like she was being over the top.
Yeah, could, could be. Because he was even nasty to a
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little. Not nasty to Lily, but kind of
like he's. Like you're Terry Brent
Bainbridge kid. But you know, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't be surprised that he would talk to her kind of in
that way because again, she has a reputation of being the town
crazy kid. So he's probably like, what is
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she doing in my house? Like I want her here, You know,
especially with everything that she's been associated with
lately, like, oh, you was there when them kids disappeared.
And who knows what information has gotten out about what
happened at the school. Even though, yes, Marge is
telling everybody, no, she didn't do it.
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My my glasses broke. They cut my eye and whatever.
I mean, I don't know how the whole glasses cutting your eye
ended up with a screwdriver in in y'all's hand.
I I mean, but I mean, you got togive margin a for Everett
because and she could have easily been like, I don't I
don't know what y'all talking about.
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She did this to me or whatever. Whatever, right?
But dinner. But dinner is is right though.
His whole demeanor is different.His whole personality was
different at the house. But you know what the the
natives were talking about? They they were saying that what
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was it his something about he was spilling into the into the
water and it. Was he was.
Shedding. Yes, he's shedding into the
water and it's making the residents more aggressive than
normal. So maybe Mr. Curse wasn't such a
bad dude. Well, we met him and it just has
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gotten. Worse.
Aggressively worse. Yeah, like maybe he was just an
asshole of a husband. Like maybe he was just mean or,
you know, just kind of verbally nasty to his wife.
But when we meet him, I got the feeling that he was kind of
maybe if he hadn't gotten some physical violence yet, that he
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was kind of escalating or getting to.
Definitely. Coming now.
Right, you find out who your wife has been keeping company
with that's going to be. That's the other.
Thing Now this whole situation though, this whole situation
though, something about this don't seem right.
Well now we got 1962 to meet up because he worked in the
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daytime. So what's was he meeting her on
after her shifts at the hospital?
I understand something don't seem right.
He was at home, passed out or I don't know.
Something don't seem right. The man we.
Said that since we introduced toher and, and the fact that you
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reminded me that she's the nursethat's in the movies, I'm like,
OK, you know what? I really got to go back and
watch these two movies so I can put my so I can put my head into
this timeline of the IT story because you know, I started I
went back last week. I I started to read the book
because I haven't read the book in like maybe 20 something years
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and just the fact that the book starts out a little bit early in
the book, I think the time is 1957.
I was like, Oh, you already messing with my timeline.
I can't do it. I can't do it.
I got to I got to focus on this timeline with the show.
So Imma have to go back and rewatch those movies and kind of
try to see if I can connect dots.
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But I mean, we've been saying since Miss Kirsch showed up,
well, at least since the second time we saw her with Lily in the
diner, we were like, something right about her.
Yeah. So I and, and the fact that
she's connected to Lily, she's connected to Hank Grogan.
I I don't know, I'm kind of likeAnthony, like whatever, I I
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don't know any wise that I take just having he just did the run
his I think like really, this thing is in the water, like
where the hell you come from? Yeah, but but so so something
they adding up about the curses.Yeah.
To me, yeah, I know. Yeah, drinking too.
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Look, drinking too much of the dairy water.
And I have a feeling just based on how things are going, this
next episode is going to give usa little bit of that answer
because something's got to come up about her sneaking off with
him in the daylight. Yeah.
In the woods and then come to myhouse and.
They can't and he can't leave because they get all the roads.
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Locked up, come down in the basement.
I'm down to the sewers. Absolutely not.
I will not be going into your basement, man.
Oh no. I'm not going into your house,
but you are ready. You are willing to take a murder
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app to protect her so that she doesn't get hurt and possibly so
you don't get hurt so you won't get lynched.
You know what? I'm good.
I'm good. You can just, you can just you
can go back to town. You can just leave me here in
the woods. I take my chances.
I might climb a tree and just sit there for a couple of days.
I will take my chances. Oh my brother, pick a direction
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and start walking. And just start walking.
And just start walking a straight line, pick a direction,
stay off the roads. Be like Frodo, don't get on the
roads, stay off the roads. Sir, because this is not going
to end well for you. It's not no and I have a feeling
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if he did make the Sarsan he he would have been killed in
Sarsan. Oh yeah.
And they were counting on that. So they didn't have to do any
more with the case, right? They were completely counting on
that. Yep.
Absolutely. And then I I was listening to
what he said. He was like, yeah, you know,
maybe you'll be OK. The last fish we sent in there
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didn't make it a week. And I was thinking back to
Shawshank Redemption and the waythat they kind of initiate the
quote, UN quote new fish that I was like, yeah, no, I don't
think he would make it. Yeah.
Because even in even in jail, even in prison, and you hear
this all the time, there is a even the most hardened of
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criminals don't like people who fuck with kids, right?
They they really don't. So yeah.
They don't like kid molesters, kid killers, and they're like.
Rapists. Yeah.
So yeah, he would. I I don't think he would have
made it that first night, but oh, OK, We got what we got 3
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episodes left. So what else do we need?
Look, what else do we need to know?
We need to know what's going on with Halloran.
What's in the box. We need to know what's in the
box. What's in the box.
Oh. You know you got to be a certain
a certain type of person to get that reference certain age.
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Right. Oh, this is the one thing we
forgot. So, yeah, Grogan tells his
little ladylove. Oh, yeah, I think I got someone
who can help us. So now Charlotte is about to be
pulled into this. Yeah, on top of everything else
that's going on with her family.Because now your.
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Husband and killed his best friend your son snuck out and
went into the sewers to go look for this thing that is so
dangerous that you guys had to move out of your house like.
So that's the other thing how hegoing to find her she on base.
So I get I mean, it's not like she at his house and she can get
a call from him because she ain't at home.
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So I'm trying to figure out how he going to find her.
I don't know, because when he said that, I was like, Brad,
she, you. OK.
And she showed up on the base curse.
Mrs. Curse showed up on the. Base.
Yeah. Oh, that's right.
I forgot. She did.
She did go to the base. Which?
How do you how do you know Mike?I'm I'm confused.
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Like maybe she went to her housefirst and then maybe a neighbor
was like, oh, they moved back tothe base or something.
I'm telling you, the math ain't math.
And. No, because think about it, you
you really think Missus Kirsch is going to show up at a black
family's house? Well that's not traffic I like.
I forgot she even came to the base.
How did he know? He wouldn't have known.
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That's yeah, I'm, I'm like Anthony something right?
If he could, if he could, if he could manifest, if he could
manifest as Maddie, yeah, who knows what that motherfucker can
do. Yeah.
Oh, and you know what? OK, what if what if everybody
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did die on the bus and he ate that ate ate.
What's his name? Hank.
And now? He running around us Hank about
to go eat up some other people. I will lose every piece of my IT
that I got. Because somehow we know.
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We, we know. I don't know.
This is going to be interesting because one of the previews has
the club burning with the the place that the black soldiers
built was on. Fire.
And everybody joints right. So I have a feeling Hank is
probably going to be there and everyone they're all going to
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assume like all the white folks like well, maybe they keep they
hiding him and and Hank and Hankair quotes Hank making sure
everybody comes there so he can get his big blow out for the end
of the cycle. That's what I want to say.
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The Augury and as they mentioned, you know he has, he
has one big massacre before he goes back into hiding, so.
Oh, I like, I like Dean. I like Dean.
How you think? And they're like, why?
(54:46):
OK, Sole Survivor. Sole Survivor.
Hill specifically needed to be the survivor in a in a situation
where unless he was going to keep more more stuff up.
But then. Well did they say he was the
only survivor? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just watched it not too long ago, and Charlotte's watching,
(55:06):
Watching. She's in her house and it comes
on the news. It was first, it was something
else and I forgot the other story that was was before that,
but. Then he escaped.
And said that he escaped that that, you know, and then
everybody else was dead. And I was like, and how he just
happened to be the one to still be alive.
(55:27):
They're going to be like, oh, hewas the one that killed them,
but then they got to answer like, how did he get loose?
But you know, it's very weird. Shit happens all the time, so
OK. That would be so much fun if
he's dead. Poor Ronnie though.
I feel bad for Ronnie but it would be hilarious if he was
dead and he bout to come in there and start really messing
(55:49):
stuff up. Listen.
Oh, yeah, because that is another way to get like a big
massacre type thing going. You know, you, you have the the
forbidden love aspect. You let that one little detail
get out. You're going to have the white
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mob coming after the black guy and then you're going to have
the black people be like, hold up.
Like, yeah, he he fucking with the white girl, but you ain't
just about to cut it. It's it's going to be a
bloodbath. Oh, and and who was Charlie
talking to on the phone? Probably MLK or JFK or RFK or
(56:30):
one of them FK one of the FK's. Yeah, I don't remember her
saying specifically anybody's name, so maybe.
She didn't. So that that's another mystery
because again, we don't, we don't know a lot about
Charlotte's connections. We just know that apparently she
(56:52):
has some, so who knows who she could have called?
All we know for certain Halloranis safe.
Yeah, if I say though, is he really dead, people?
I think she might have been talking to Rose, now that I
think about it, because now remember, she gave her number
(57:14):
and was like, call me if anything happens.
Or if you need a friend. Or if.
You might be Rose. Yeah, you might be right.
And of course, Rose would kind of know what's going on.
Yeah, So because. They also did show like right
after they said that he escaped.They also did show that not
(57:35):
Niebolt and Rhetta, the streets were going to be closed off to
the town or whatever and becauseof the military.
OK, so maybe some of these pieces are starting to fit
together. I just tell you they need to
stop playing with my my emotions.
But all this stuff, because thisis.
(57:58):
It's like, how do you? How do you deal with something
that's in your mind? You can't even, you can't really
fight it like. Maybe, maybe it is smarter than
I think it is because it's like it's playing for the chess and
they playing, they playing, you know, they're bowling, they're
(58:22):
playing. The Atari 2600 version.
And. Play PS-5 right?
I mean, because. Yeah, I mean because the the
master he did with the gangland violence like he he made made it
look like 1 gang did something to the other gang and then they
(58:42):
like came after each other. That's the black and white thing
that's that's going to come in the factor.
Hank and he got a little it's like I'm going to have to get.
Food, these babies as a child, Iguess it does work because it
would have access to everyone's fears in the city and they just
(59:04):
plays on on their fear and that's it.
That's all it has to do. There's a little spark here,
little spark there, spark over here.
Everything's in motion and you just sit back and watch.
Yep. And you know Mr. Kirch, the
butcher is going to figure in into all of that.
(59:26):
Because I just thought about what y'all he's a butcher.
He's about to come after Hank with a butcher knife and it's
about to be a whole bunch of mess.
Yeah, he going to get somebody riled up because everybody going
to be like that. Poor Mr. Curse the Butcher.
That's the butcher's. Wife the.
Bitch's wife. Oh Lord.
(59:50):
And she met she fooling around with a with a Kitty.
Murderer. Oh yeah.
And you know she ain't going to get none of that.
Blame to a certain degree is going to be what did you do to
her? Yeah, so.
OK, so it's funny that we're talking about this because now I
(01:00:10):
just thought about something that a friend of mine posted
online and I'm assuming it's because she saw yesterday's
episode and she was saying something like being black and
Stephen King is A2 edged. No A2 double edged sided war.
She had a 2 sided war. Like it's always 1.
You know, they always got fightsbeing black on both sides of
(01:00:31):
things. And I was just like, what does
that mean? And now we're talking about
this. And I'm like, huh, Maybe that is
what what happens. Yeah.
Because. Yeah.
Because because again, like on the one hand, when when you're
going out and you're looking forlike the reviews or the
(01:00:53):
discussions about the show, there are a lot of people who
are praising the fact that the show centers on black
characters, black families. OK, We had this discussion.
What the last episode of the episode before that.
On the one hand, that's good. We we got some representation.
We got them front and center. But at the same time, when
(01:01:15):
you're putting them in this in this time specifically, yeah, it
might not always be a good thingbecause, you know, they're going
to have to deal with some of thethe racial tension, the racial
backlash, especially. I mean, even even with them
(01:01:35):
being in the North because, yeah, the North was a lot better
than the South, but it wasn't perfect.
They weren't just like all embracing with open arms.
You still have your idiots in your ass hats like we saw in the
first couple of episodes. So with the smoke, with the
smoke or stacks and sinners with.
Yeah, like Mississippi with whatdo you say?
(01:01:58):
With skyscrapers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know. I'm just, I don't think this is
going to end well for Hank Grogan, if it hasn't already
ended for Hank Grogan. These days was never, Never,
Yeah. They are.
Yeah, they are. Definitely.
(01:02:18):
There's no way he's getting. No, no.
If he if like like Dennis said, he might already be dead.
He. Might, yeah.
Which would make it so good, I mean bad for him, but I would
really like. Up the stakes, yeah, yeah.
And as far as the kids go, I don't know if I feel like Rich
(01:02:42):
is going to make it a. Little Rich.
And and because he's the cutest one, but also I feel like he's
the only one. With some damn sense.
Because he's the one that's likey'all, we are kids we should not
be doing this. Like no, the adults are not
going to believe us. Yes, they think that you
(01:03:03):
attacked this girl. Like who wouldn't think that?
Who wouldn't think that getting what they it was?
Like my bar? He was listening to them all.
My Barber, my auntie. Do you wash my car?
Uncle Jose, who mowed lawns. Because who's?
(01:03:29):
Going to believe some other stuff.
I mean, at least March had the the the mindset that she was
like, OK, you know what's up about this shit ain't right.
So let me keep my mouth shut before I end up at Juniper Hill
next. And, and like you said, I'm glad
she came out and said it. I'm glad she proved herself to
(01:03:50):
be Lily's friend when it came, when when I was said and done.
Yes, I hate that you had to go through what you went through.
But you know what? Looking at the damage her eye
has, she got off easy. Yeah.
Oh yeah. She got off easy and and that
little scratch, look, if you gotto deal with that little scratch
(01:04:13):
in order to understand that there is something way bigger
going on here than you being a part of the patter cakes.
OK, you know what then? Then that's what we do at.
Least. Mars was like, look, you're my
friend, I'm so sorry, what do I need to do to help?
And she didn't hesitate. So I like that about her at.
(01:04:33):
Least she ain't floating. That's.
All right, And that's because Lily saved her.
Yep. And on that note, I think we can
be done. Because anyway.
Wait to watch this. I might watch it tonight.
I don't know. I might not need no bad dreams,
(01:04:54):
but. Are you talking about the next
episode? Yeah, because now I'm ready to
see what's going to happen. I think I'm going to wait till
tomorrow to do that. Oh, and and for some of those
people listening, make sure you go check out Hanukkah's Facebook
page where Erica Rose Pennywise.Listen, I'm going to have to
make that post public because it's so funny.
(01:05:17):
Somebody posted a meme and they were like, if Erica Sinclair was
in dairy, she'd have shut Pennywise down the first night.
And so Anthony and a couple other people started putting
their own Erica quotes up under the post.
And when I say hilarious, I'm gonna I'm gonna make that
(01:05:40):
public. I'm gonna make it public and
probably share it to the PhantomHybrid Facebook page because
yeah, it was hilarious. But you know, I did think about
that. I was like, you know, who's one
kid that Penny wise probably would not like everybody.
I think somebody else said in the post, they say y'all noticed
that Beckman ain't messed with Erica cause Beckman don't want
(01:06:01):
that smoke. He don't want it.
'Cause she's not weak, she not weak, not in a little bit.
Because when they said that, I was like.
And that is why Erica will never.
Be right, thank you because man.And we are going to talk about
Stranger things season 5. But in in that episode when they
(01:06:23):
came to her for help and she waslike y'all got 60 seconds and
they they're beating around the Bush and then they were like OK,
so this is what happened This happened da da da bang those
back and blah blah blah. She was like well why didn't
y'all leave? It's.
Like, you know what, Erica is going to handle some business
(01:06:44):
and she would definitely, I feel, be a worthy adversary for
Penny Wise. So I don't know, some look, some
fan fiction authors go go write that story.
Go write that story. I need, I need a battle between
Erica Vechner and Penny Wise. Penny wise, you were shriveled
up so quick. Oh yeah, she would have been
(01:07:07):
like. This, all the fear that he had
collected, she would just suck it right back out of him.
Yeah, he'd be like, oh wait, I'mscared.
What? What is this feeling?
(01:07:27):
OK, and on that note, that is itfor our show.
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