Stranger Things (Season 5 Volume 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #390 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast

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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
with Anthony and Michelle. And we are discussing finally on
this show, Stranger Things. How long have we been trying to
do Stranger Things? We've been trying to do Stranger
Things since, what, Season 3? And we just have not had a

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chance. And but that's not even why I'm
saying that. Oh I know, I know why you're
saying it, but. OK, you know what I'm saying it
for. It has multiple meanings for
this. OK, We've been we've been
talking about things outside of the podcast, right?
And we've been wanting to do it.We just have, I mean, even this
right here, we're about to discuss volume 1.
We've been trying to do volume one since Thanksgiving.

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It is 2 days before Christmas and we are just like, we have
rescheduled this so many times because of our schedules.
But this is Michelle's thing. Y'all, y'all know how everybody
has their their fandoms Like everybody knows with me it was
Harry Potter and then it's Outlander Walking Dead.
For Anthony, it's Star Wars and Lord of the Things.

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Stranger Things is Michelle's jam and she has been itching,
itching, itching for us to discuss it.
So we're finally here. We're going to talk about Season
5 Volume 1, which includes the 1st 4 episodes of the final
season. Of the show, right?
Oh, another. About damn time.

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We've been waiting for years forthe final season.
Yeah, yes, we have that is, and that's the crazy thing.
This show is five seasons. They've been doing this for 11
years. That's crazy it.
Is. Like in that time.
Like. Millie, Bobby.
Brown is a grown. Yeah, she's gotten married and

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has a baby now. Big grown people.
What big grown? Watching this first episode, I'm
like, these are adults. They are adults.
They are I still. And I do, like Michelle said, I
do work with high school kids and yes, some, most of them, a
lot of them look like adults, but still.

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It's jarring. It's it's jarring especially
when we've seen them literally grow up on screen.
I think that's the case not justwith this show, but even the
shows where we watch them like gradually progress.
Like watching Chandler Riggs grow up on The Walking Dead.
You know, there wasn't a lot of long hiatuses with that show,

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but still we watched him from a little bitty kid to pretty much
a grown man on that show. So it's just it's it's very
weird to see. And then watching all of their
cast interviews and stuff lately, I'm just like, wow, this
is, it's so weird. They're grown.
They're like really, really grown.

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But anyway, let's get into this Volume 1 because there's a lot
to talk about. We're not going to do a lot of
recast because if you're watching or listening to us
right now discuss Stranger Things and you don't know what's
going on with Stranger Things, you in the wrong place.
This is not for you. This is.

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Not for you, if you don't mind, you know, spoilers, that's fine.
But I think we all pretty much if we're here, we we're caught
up, we know what's going on, so we could just talk about the
good, the bad and the ugly with volume one.
The first thing I'm going to mention is they start off the
show episode one with a flashback of Will when he gets

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when he's in the upside down. He's been in the upside down at
this point for I think 4 days when when this particular
episode starts. So you get to see him running
from the Demogorgon. You see his first encounter with
Vecna. The the thing with the the the
the the sucking or the the pudding, whatever in his.

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I've dealt with enough gross stuff in the last month.
After watching Welcome to Dairy I was like.
And then I'm still like it's playing in the background and
I'm still wondering what is it, right?
What is it? Because that's.
The it's the the stuff, the. But he kept him alive though,
because that's how Hopper and Joyce found him.

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And that is what and that is what's happening to the kids
right now. So I'm like black smoke, right?
It it gives is it giving the nutrients like it's some
ambiotic fluid with the stuff init like what is happening I.
Don't know but it's I. Guess that's something that
ain't thinking about. Like how is it keeping them with
substance and stuff? It's disgusting.

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And then he went. So.
So when he went into, when he went to OK, never mind, 'cause
it came out, did it come out theback too?
I'm just wondering. I was going to leave that one
alone. That's just my thoughts.
I mean, these are things that wewonder.
I mean, you know, but I went when we were watching this scene
or when I was watching this scene, the thing that got me,

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first of all, the the technologythat they used to put Noah
Schnapp's face on to the little kid was really interesting
because I really thought this was another little kid that they
just got to look like him. Then I found out I actually know
one of the actors who double as,who worked as his body double in

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this particular episode. And he's a he's a, a a shorter
actor, younger actor. And he was telling me that, you
know, they kind of transpose theface on several of them to kind
of get different angles, I thinkthroughout the season.
But I heard Noah talking about and I was like, oh, that's

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interesting because I really thought this look, I was like,
did they film this before or what did they do?
But it was interesting because the I mean, they did a pretty
good job. It was better than Renee's man
Twilight. I will say that the the.
The aging technology has gotten,Yeah.
Better it it was better than Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

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It was definitely better than Miss Captain Marvel.
Yeah, with so it, it is it's gotwhat and that was been years ago
so it has gotten better, right but.
In the transposing, it's better than what's that movie Star
Wars? Rogue One.

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They did it with Leia. Yes.
And it's also they did it in. They did it in the Mandalorians.
Did Mandalorian with? Luke.
Luke Yeah, yeah. So the the missing of those
technologies got got so much better.
Yeah, yeah. But so we see Will and council
buyers. He's hiding from the Demogorgon.

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Demogorgon finds him, starts chasing him.
Now, the thing that got me was when Will was climbing up the
tree to get away from him, He I think he would have been fine.
But as soon as he saw the Demogorgon, you hear him do the
loud breathing. I was like, why don't why do
kids do that? Why do people do that when

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you're hiding and you make this obvious noise like drawing the
attention and then he's in the tree.
He jumps over to another tree toget away from the Demogorgon.
He starts falling. His strap, his book bag strap
gets caught on one of the limbs and he just turns his head and

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watches as the strap comes undone instead of grabbing for
the strap to hold on. I was like, I know he's only
what, 12 at this point, but I was just like, because that's
one thing When I was a kid playing with the book back, that
was one of the things you alwaysdid.
You play it with the strap. You let the strap loose, you

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pull it back. You let the strap loose, you
pull it back. It was like, you could have
easily done that. I mean the Demogorgon probably
still would have gotten him, butyou would have at least at least
try. Well, again, this is first time
being kidnapped. And you do have to say that with
this character like this. Time being in a tree, hanging by

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your book bag. Right, you know, and the upside
down, you know, Yeah. Now, now they you know, all the
kids after season 1 are is readyto fight.
But this time, this was the first.
I was just. Like this was the first.
You you could have did a little bit more will, but of course, if

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he did that, then we wouldn't have the story that we have now.
So, you know, I guess it, I guess it, I don't want to say
worked out because he's been he's been struggling for a while
since then. But I will say this, one of the
things I love about this first volume, he doesn't feel as on

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the outside as he has seasons 2 through 4.
Like, you know, it was always the friend group and then he was
kind of to the side. And I really like that.
It feels like the guys are beingbetter friends to him now.
And I don't know if that's because Hawkins is cut off from
everything else and they're all just kind of stuck together.

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But even with the scenes with Mike, you know when you see Mike
and Elle, at least in the last few seasons, like those two
really got on my nerves. Like I understand teenage
hormones and first love and all that.
And and and. Got on my nerves.
And that's pretty much, that's pretty much it.
It, I think with this is becausethere is a goal, there is a is a

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purpose, but not just out being teenagers.
If we were out just being teenagers, then it still may be
a little different. And I think also that Will is
starting to become his own 'cause like, after that
conversation in Season 4 with, you know, with his brother and

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everything. So he's starting to, you know,
like, not just stay on the side.Yeah.
Yeah, I. Also think they had a little bit
of reconciliation at the end of season 4.
I think, yeah, that too. And now and now they're there's,
you know, there's a goal and everyone's on the team and

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everyone contributes to this goal.
Yeah, and I, I like that we see that because the last few
seasons it's kind of like you, Ireally felt like for you guys to
be so worried about Will season 1 when he was missing and
everything, I feel like the kidstook it for granted that oh, we

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got him back and he's here and they treated him like trash.
Like, I was really angry at these kids the last few seasons
because it felt like, you know, this is a kid who y'all went
through so much to try to get him back and now that y'all have
him back, y'all are still kind of pushing him to the side and
not paying attention to him. But and they all been they've

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been like that period. They all have not been good
friends at certain point to eveneach other.
Well, they got and. Other things.
Like 11 and we. Don't even.
Listen, has Susie. No, no, no, no, Mike just not
been a good friend who has. Nothing.

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And that's it. Mike has not been a good friend.
Yeah. But Mike is not the only one
though. Lucas is his friend, and so is
destiny. OK, so we won't even want to get
there but. Mike is the yeah, but it's.
Mike is the his friend friend and Mike being his main friend,
like even though they are a group of friends, like they were

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the first little part. So Mike should have been like,
hey, cuz even in season 1 it wasn't Mike who was like, let's
go look, let's go Will. Actually it was episode where
Lucas was like, forget all this,we need to be finding this boy.
Where will that Let's find Will.It's now Mike is caught up with
11. However, I mean however they and

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then they treated Lucas wrong inseason 4 so.
But you know what I will say? This too caught up with 11.
He didn't have time for Mike. What about?
What about Season 4? You didn't have time for Will.
What about season 4? I will say this too and and you
kind of see a little bit of thatwith Dustin in this season.
Lucas was being a bit of an asshole in week. 4 No, No, no,

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no, no. No, no, no.
OK, so wanted. To be with the popular guy, No,
But he did. He tell.
He said why. He kept telling them why.
He kept telling him why. So that boy was balancing trying
to be on the basketball team forthem to become popular.
He said. I'm trying to get us not to get
picked over. At the same time, he's still in
the Hellfire Club. One day he asked for them to

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come to the game. Important game to him.
They did not show up. They didn't really ask for the
the campaign to be postponed. They literally went to his
sister, grabbed his sister, theywon, walk out.
He actually did something great.No one even knows he is sitting
there playing Mission Impossible.

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He is following these boys around knowing something is
wrong but trying to cover for his friends at the same time.
I'm sorry, he was more of a friend.
And I get that part, I do. But I think the thing that that
bothered me about Lucas and thatwhole thing was that group has
never wanted to be popular. And I get you wanting to, you

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know, keep them from getting picked on or whatever.
But if if the rest of your friends are telling you we're
really not interested in in, in that whole thing, you know, for
you to still be like, OK, well, I'm trying to help us out.
Whatever. We don't want that kind of help.
We we don't want it now. Should they have gone to this
game? Yes.

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Does it help them out now? Yeah, because he walk around the
school he about to beat up people and no one messes with.
But that had nothing to do with him being on the team.
That had to do with him standingup to the team, which he should
have been doing in the first place.
Like, like, well, you know, it was hard for tom-tom Cruise,

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though. Tom Cruise was charismatic, you
know what I'm saying? He was, until he wasn't.
No. Even even Lucas said I'm sorry I
came knocking because you are bat shit crazy outside friends,
we'll be having cursing on this this episode, but.
We ground, we alright. But Tom Cruise was charismatic.

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Though, Well, you know what? I look.
Until he wasn't. Because he he because he was
into that whole like he, he started out fate to me, like the
whole pep talk and blah blah. I was like, Oh, you finna be one
of these bullshit characters, right?
It is. You know that that that makes
everyone like you. And then when you look at how he

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really is, it's horrible And, and guess what?
He ends up becoming sorry car car salesman.
He'll end up being car salesman in his hometown, but in high
school, that is his peak and everyone loves him.
Yeah, he did. OK.
Yeah, he did OK. I could straight down, right?

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And he sure did. Absolutely.
OK, so so we can agree that everyone has just been just.
I mean, it's that growing pains that they're going through
puberty, they're going through that whole transition from
middle school to high school. So there are there's gonna be
some, some disagreements and stuff, but it, it, it's kind of

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like I, I kind of felt like Lucas was losing the focus of
what that friend group was in the pursuit of trying to be part
of the, the popular kids or partof the kids.
That's not, it's kind of like March with the the Patty cakes

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on welcome to dairy. Like, you know, these kids are
assholes, but because they're the popular assholes, you want
to be a part of that group and you're ignoring either your gut
feeling or you're ignoring what your friends are telling you.
Like, hey, this is not you. And he, I don't know.
I just feel like they're, I don't know, there was a better

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way he could have approached that which.
I still I we can agree with thisgrass.
I still disagree with that because I still think he his
intentions were good, but he also was a good athlete.
So it was, I think it was OK forhim to explore something
different because that's the same with Mike and Will.
So like Will leaves and you don't even contact Will, but

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that's another, see, that's another story.
But we'll go with go with who's in Hopkins.
I think he was doing something different now, realizing that
you you found another set of friends, you're trying to merge
friends and that wasn't working.Then you realize the friends you
were trying to merge with, not necessarily all of them, because

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the other black boy was going through some things too.
That's why he got taken by Begna.
But those wasn't the right people.
But you still are a good athlete, you found out.
Yeah, yeah. So and and so you can.
Have you can you can be the geekand you can be the athlete.
He has to learn how to reconcilethat just because you want to be

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something in the school that's not being picked on, that your
friends don't want to, and that friend groups can't merge.
That that's that's the key. And that's something that you
learn in that's. Something you want to ask for?
Your friend groups can't merge. And that you will meet and
become friends with different groups of people.
You may be in different groups, but you also got to stay true to

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your. Core to your core and that and I
think. But your core has to also
understand that you can be interested in other things and
they didn't reconcile that part too with them.
I don't think that was the problem that they have with
Lucas, but Lucas was Lucas. Oh yeah, they.
They Lucas acted ashamed of of who they are and what they did.

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Like anytime the the basketball guys brought up like the Oh, you
hanging with those nerves? Oh, no, Oh, I'm not a part of
Hellfire. No, I don't know what you're
talking about. When you get to the part where
you have to lie about who you are to impress somebody else,
that's when I start having a problem.
With right, but I'm I'm just talking with the with the friend
group. They even didn't reconcile that

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he could be doing something different.
That's all I was. Talking about Oh no and, and
yeah, and they were wrong for that, yeah, but.
Yeah. So I he managed the situation as
best he could for who he is, because I think we also forget
that there is not many other black kids in the school.

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Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah. So it's a, it's a, it's a
combination. Yeah.
It's just like y'all saying how you know Steve is wrong.
See, I can't, you know I can't. I'm going cosign on Steve and
Lucas. No, I'm just saying I'm going
cosign for Steve and Lucas, but who I will not cosign for Will.

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What do we say to Steve was wrong?
Nothing. I just think the two people I
love, Lucas and Steve, that's what you just.
Said just like y'all saying Steve is wrong.
Who's? I say when y'all say something
about Steve I will cosign too onSteve.
I was just saying, I'm just saying she's pre empting us.
That's what she's doing. Even though Jonathan too wasn't

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even a good brother to wheel last season, he realized that he
was he he was high most of the time when his brother needed me.
Said it. I'm sorry but.
You know what? I will say this for Jonathan.
Somebody else said this on social media today and I was
like, finally somebody said it. Like nobody really gives

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Jonathan the credit he deserves for the stuff that he has been
through like this. This boy went when Joyce was
working, you know, season 1. Joyce is working so much that
Jonathan, a teenager, is put in charge of Will, which, you know,
us Gen. X and older.
That's kind of how our parents did.
Like you have the oldest siblings and they watch the

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younger siblings as, as you know, helping.
But you know, now I look at thatdifferently.
Like they have them children. They shouldn't be responsible
for those children. Jonathan had to literally take
care of Will when Will was the one who came up missing.
Joyce was like, well, you didn'teven notice that he was.
Why would why would he be the one?

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You're you're the he. Had a job?
He had to be the one to go and like, really identify Will's
body. He had to be the one to plan a
funeral all on his own. He had to go and find their
father like Jonathan had to dealwith with a lot and and he has
not had the proper support that he needed.

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So Jonathan, I have my, I have my problems with him this
season, but I really feel like Jonathan should really be given
a break because everybody else supports all the other players
or, you know, everybody else hassomebody else's back.
Nobody really has Jonathan's back.
Not even. Not even.

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That's the curse of being the oldest.
Yeah. You don't have that support
because it's just you. Yeah.
Right. You know and and you don't
expect the support from anyone. Yeah.
And I, I got nothing to say for Will, I mean not Will for
Jonathan. I just, yeah.

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Before before we get too deep, Ijust want to say the coolest
scene to me was in this first episode was when Beston was
getting picked on by the basketball players and Lucas
come straight down the hall. I was like, oh, somebody about
to get their ass whipped just. The whole energy in the scene

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changed and it's like Lucas isn't even.
It's not like he he bulked up oranything.
It was just the attitude. So when he comes in and he was
like, hey, don't touch him anymore.
Remember what happened when my sister kicked you in the nuts?
Well, I'm gonna kick you in the nuts and this is going to
happen. Then Mike and the others come

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around and Mike was like, oh, I,you know, I think we need to
take care of these mouth breathers.
I was so. Yeah, right.
It's like they don't. We understand, but nobody else
understands what they have gone through, what they have had.
They've been through the fire. They have crossed Burning Sea.
I mean, they have done all this stuff and these little bullies.

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This is nothing. And that's my bone to pick with
Dustin. Like Dustin, we got big official
fry. Yeah, I know you want to keep
Eddie's memory alive and I know you want to do all this, but
like, why you keep messing with these bullies?
They mean nothing. He is what?
You mean now we right I. I.
Understand that, but we all grief not a different way.

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But can we not grieve by poking the bear?
We not grieve right by instigating the bullies.
Yeah. I'm not stirring them up, but.
Right, because he, he, he has nofocus on what they're doing.
He doesn't. I mean, he still has the focus,
but I, I also feel like Dustin is also in Dustin is also kind

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of in that he's in a similar place with where Jonathan is,
where it's like everybody depends on Dustin for so much,
especially Steve. You know, it's like, we got a
problem or we're going to go to Dustin.
We need to figure this out or we're going to go to Dustin.
And it's like Dustin is obviously grieving.
Dustin was the one who sat thereand watched the watched Eddie

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die. You know, he's the one who
pulled Eddie into all of this. And so not only does he have
grief because his friend is gone, but he also feels guilt.
And then on top of that, life ispretty much gone on for
everybody else. And the whole town is pretty
much just written Eddie off because again, they're believing

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this false narrative that he's the cause of most of this stuff.
And I can fit. Dustin is grieving and he is
angry. He is and he.
Like, you know. And he has no fault.
He's not focused. We can be complete.
He doesn't, he's going along with the plans, but he's, he's
stuck into his grief. He, he can't see the forest from

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the trees right now. Like they have a goal because
you we can say the same thing with other other people that's
in this family, especially grieving.
I know he's focused. Because he's trying, Lucas,
because he knows what the goal is.
He he hasn't made it past that point.
So somehow in volume to something's going to happen with

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pushing forward. Like, OK, now I have to do
something. We really have to end this.
We have to revenge Eddie's deathand everything like that.
But right now, he's kind of stuck.
I mean, they're all kind of stuck.
But going back to what Anthony just said, yeah, Lucas, I mean,
Lucas is different because I think Lucas, he's grieving, but

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his person is still there. There is still a chance that Max
will come out of it. So I think it's different for
Lucas and and Dustin because Lucas, his hope is right there.
And don't you say, Anthony, but I'm just saying his hope is
right there. Max is sitting right there in a
hospital. But that can be worse.

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That can be worse. It can.
Be, but at least there's a possibility.
With Eddie, there's no possibility.
For right there's but you know what happened to him, but he
went out in the right and you know.
Coming back, you can't bring himback.
You can't make him come back. And I know these are supposed to

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be teenagers and grief is really, really the loss of a
loved 1 is really tough on teenagers.
It's. Hard.
On a lot of people, but it's especially hard on teens because
they don't really know how to process their own their emotions
in general, much less very intense emotion like the loss of

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a loved 1. So I understand his, his pain,
but but my issue with him is they're, they have other stuff,
like they have something that's considerably more important that
even he knows. And he will probably say that,
but for some reason, because of his grief, because of his not

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able to really process his anger, he can't move forward.
He's he's, he's really like Michelle said, he's stuck.
A lot of them are kind of stuck,but he is stuck more than
anyone. And that's why when when they
all come up to him, when he's being bullied, they're looking
at him like, what do you And they all see it too.

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Like why are you doing all this?Like you can be fine with
keeping the Hellfire Club and wearing a shirt but like you are
literally pushing the bullies buttons.
But that's what happens a lot oftimes when people have when
they're dealing with their griefand anger is like.
Yeah, take it out on somebody. Not only that, but it's almost

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like, again, he feels guilt. So it's almost like he's wanting
someone to take it out on him. He's wanting someone to punish
him for what he feels like is his part in Eddie's death.
And I really feel like that's what it is.
He may not recognize that that'swhat it is, but I, I really feel
like Dustin feels like he deserves to be punished.

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You know what I'm saying? But also he's angry at these
other people because y'all also contributed to this.
So it's, it's kind of like it's one of those things where is it?
He's like you said, Michelle, something major is going to have
to happen for him to sit down and be like, OK, you know what?
I've got to stop. I've got to let this go, but.

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Right. So he needs to he needs to do,
he needs to do like short term goal, long term goal.
Well, I know what's going to help him along because he's even
treating the other person he's closest to like trash right now,
which is Steve. So again, what's going to
happen? I already know what's going to
happen. Already.

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No, we're not. We're not.
But you know he's. Just a dead man, which is almost
stated out loud. Because that that little, that
little clip in the trailer wherethere's telling each other, you
die, I die, you die and I do. Excuse me, gentlemen.
What we are not doing is dying. We will not have any Steve
Harrington or No No. But that will that will knock

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some sense to him like because Steve will do anything for him.
So maybe that will get on board.But I if we kind of predict, I
hope Steve don't die. Because ultimately, if you kill
Steve, I really feel bad for Dustin because that's it.
Yeah. Like that's grief on top of
grief and stuff. Now I don't necessarily feel

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like he feel guilty for bringingAndy in.
They really was trying to help. I feel it's more guilty that you
could not help him and then showpeople that he was a brave
person who helped save the worldtype of person.
But then you got another person you close to you was Eddie and
Steve, two different people but you love both of them and they
both die and everybody else get to go get married and run off in

(30:52):
the lilies in the field. I'm going to have a problem with
that. I do.
I'm OK with the old people die because we we older the parents
we die but he loses 2. Yeah, yeah.
And I think he's also lashing out at Steve because, again,
it's, it's just one of those things.
He's not processing his grief. He's like, oh, Eddie died, but

(31:15):
you're still here. And I don't think he's upset
that Steve is still there, but Ijust think he does not know
where to place his anger and hisgrief right now.
Right. You know?
But yeah, because he's a teenager.
So it's like it comes out in thewhole, like, whole different
ways. Yeah.
Yeah. Especially given what they've
been through the last few years.And other people, it has come

(31:38):
like Will. Will has changed because he's
becoming into himself. You know, he got taller.
He still has the bowl cut. They were sitting there, that
tear with a limp. She had grown.
Yeah, he, he's getting older, you see.
He's he's, you know, understanding his feelings.
Mike, he's still got 11, you know what I'm saying?

(32:00):
11 around Lucas, reason why he looked like that.
He has matured, though, into himself because he is
maintaining. I think after him and old he saw
into the fight last season. He was like, oh, this actually
happened again. I'm not.
And then he literally had his his like girlfriend die in his

(32:21):
arms. Then he came back.
And then every day you go into the hospital and go visitor
after school at the math tutoring.
So that has a so you know, you walking.
Around math tutoring. I'm just saying, and this has
been 18 months, right? He is still visiting her.
So he has gotten, you know, he has gotten some AIDS on to him,

(32:41):
some maturity. You know, he's becoming, he's
becoming an adult. And he has that unfuck wit able
attitude like. Right, because I've seen.
I've seen it. You know what I'm saying?
I've seen it all. I've seen it all.
Yeah. Imagine you seeing someone twice
lift up in the air last time. Liam's breaking blood coming out

(33:03):
her eyes like come on now, that's a little too much.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, ain't none of
these kids getting therapy. None of none.
No, no, because all the therapists probably left town
before they before the time, right, because the one person
was going to therapy end up in the coma in the hospital.
So we ain't going to that therapist.
No, I'm sorry. All her patients was dead.

(33:23):
Well, it was. A It was a school counselor.
I don't care. I'm just joking.
I don't care. We're not going to the school
counselor for no referral. No, so OK, all right, let's move
on to. Somebody.
I really just wanted to say, yeah, Lucas, Lucas looked like

(33:44):
he really was going to hurt somebody when he walked there.
You know, I was waiting for it. I was like, oh, they going they
going to bug up at Lucas and it's going to be a fight.
They didn't even try. Now.
Lucas got in his face and then here comes like I was so
impressed by Lucas and Mike and just it's almost like, look, we

(34:08):
have faced down Vecna. You think we scared of you?
And, and just the, the, the, theconfidence that came out of both
of them. When Mike said mouth breath, I
was like, oh that version of mouth breather sounds so
different from when it came out your mouth and season 1 like OK,
I can get down. And the and the thing about with

(34:28):
Mike, he wasn't even involved. He was just sitting in a piece
of taller, holding it 11's hand.He didn't have to go through
anything. Oh, last season.
I'm sorry he didn't, but OK, I Idigress.
I digress. I digress.
He was in the buyer's house whenthey got shot up and he did get.

(34:51):
Shot at So when? When?
This season? Last season.
Oh, yeah, The Call of Duty episode.
Yeah. That's what it makes me think
of. Yeah.
You did see somebody die in the van and and also.
The two agents in the house. Right yeah, I'm saying and as he
you know died in alive but yeah,OK, there's a little trauma

(35:15):
there yeah, I give him somethinghe.
Matured the movie, they all haveit and then not to mention your
girlfriend is the the main person that these government
agencies everybody's trying to get and.
I'm giving Mike a hard time because honestly, I don't care
for Mike. However, one of my things was

(35:35):
hopefully he starts redeeming himself.
This he better. Redeem himself.
From He just had to grow. Up he had.
He was a bad friend, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but but you know
what? And and boy, Mike is but I'm.
But listen, he has. Yeah, I like how he like how he
is with his sister. Yeah, I like his art.

(36:00):
I think you've given him more ofa hard time than you said about
being a bad friend. No, he he deserved it because he
was a bad friend. But like I said, with this
season, what we've seen so far in these 4 episodes, it seems
like they've all matured and they are all being better
friends, not just each other, but you get to see them interact

(36:21):
with other people like. People and their grown up
versions of season 1 like when you you were watching like an
episode of season 1 and they aremature versions.
Right, but Mike wasn't great in season 1, but OK.
No, he he actually. He was before 11 showed up, so

(36:42):
yeah, he. Was he really was.
Yeah, I know. I'm not as.
Huge. I'm just joking.
I'm just joking, but I'm just saying.
I do. I'm liking how I'm liking how
they're presenting Mike right now.
That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm liking it.
Like how he's taking care of hissister.
I'm liking him. I'm I'm liking it.

(37:04):
However, you shouldn't have liedto Hollywood and and told her
monsters don't exist. Boy, and especially Hawkins, you
know at any time something can just pop up of the ground but
didn't. They come and didn't make any
sense to me. I'm like, you would think that
that would be the person he he was at least.

(37:25):
I know why because you got to think about it.
What they went through was when they were young, right?
Probably. Is it the same age?
She is 12? Yeah, 'cause they, they aged
Holly up. She's supposed to be like she's
supposed to be 10 or 11. So you got to think about it's
almost like how we say you kind of shelter your kids from seeing

(37:50):
things that are adult to try to wait till they're older.
So they've been through a lot from a young.
So he's she's just trying, he's trying to protect her as long as
he can. Well, he says, next year we were
going to bring her into the D&D club.
Right. But even just with the monsters
and everything, it's a lot. It can be a lot.

(38:11):
They've been dealing with this for a long time.
Yeah. You know, So he's trying to keep
her innocence. I said all that thing he just
to. Give him more credit.
No, I think he really, he reallyis.
He's trying to like, keep her innocent.
I do. But this ain't the time.
Right, because here's the thing,If she's telling you that her

(38:32):
imaginary friend is telling her I'm trying to protect you
because there are monsters in this town who want to take you,
Mike, you are familiar with suchmonsters trying to take people
that you know, so maybe and and I guess the other thing that
bothers me about this is becauseMike is generally a smart kid.

(38:55):
That whole group of kids is they're very smart.
I mean, that's one of the ways that we met them.
You know, they were all part of the science club.
They are the geeks of the. School.
Mike, you're involved in this. Your sister has been involved in
this, your older sister. What makes you think that if

(39:18):
Holly says, hey, this thing saysmonsters are coming out after
me, I feel like he should have thought a little bit harder
about that. And to get it's, it's kind of
like going back to what Nancy said about them.
Like we could have we could haveworn mom and dad.
Like I know that would have beena weird conversation to have
with them, especially given Karen and Ted's kind of hands

(39:43):
off. Yeah, I agree they would they
would have paid any attention tothem, but OK.
They they wouldn't have put. No.
Holly, I think, I mean, she's a little kid, yes, but kids, they
see a lot more than we give themcredit for.
And you can't tell me that Hollydoesn't know that weird things

(40:07):
have happened with her brother and his friends after all the
stuff that they've witnessed, you know, So it's like.
I I just feel like Mike probablyshould have taken his time a
little. Bit ask some questions.
This is almost like me and that Outlander and that doggone
treasure box. Ask questions.

(40:28):
One of the questions being well,who talking to you?
Is it a girl with red hair? Like who?
Who is it like, 'cause you could, it could be, you know
what I'm saying? It could be Max talking to her.
You don't, you know, things are happening.
Somebody's warning her about monsters.
There's some monsters. So let me find out.
Let me inquire. Who could this be?

(40:49):
Yeah. However, it sounds like the girl
had imaginary friend for a long time.
So then you know. Well, no, it doesn't.
Not that she's had one for a long time.
I think what Ted was saying was she wouldn't be the first kid
her age to have an imaginary. Right.
And and then she probably had, you know, she did grow up
overnight though, so she probably did have one a year

(41:11):
ago. And it was Miss Sally.
No, it probably was Mr. Watson, because.
I no, I'm just I'm joking as in another name because we no, no,
no, we have a child who had justhad AI forgot what the name was
Mr. Watson. Lily.
Lily was her imaginary friend, so I'm just saying.
Has probably been planting that seed for a minute while he's.

(41:33):
Well, before I'm saying before him, she did, because most kids
do had imaginary friends, especially when you're the
youngest and your siblings are just gone, always gone.
You know what I'm saying? When he wasn't gone, when Mike
wasn't gone, he was with his friends in the basement.
And your older sister is a teenage girl.
She's out and about. So you had to play with

(41:57):
somebody. I'm just saying.
So, yeah, but I'm trying to givehim.
He was trying to make make sure that, you know, she kept her
innocence. And you know, this is probably
another another imaginary friend, so.
But he should have told her the truth because when the truth

(42:17):
came for her, let me tell you first and then first when first
we're looking at Ted and, and, and why did why did her name
just Karen? We're looking at Ted and Karen
going through their issues, which they've never seemed like

(42:39):
a close couple or even a compatible couple.
I mean, we kind of get that whenshe gets ready to go take off
the go meet a teenage Billy for rendezvous.
You kind of figure stuff ain't going right there.
But she, you know, she pushed through whatever, whatever.
But it's like now you've been quarantined in the town for 18

(43:01):
months. So literally you are stuck there
with the other person. Not only that, now you have
additional people living in yourhouse because Joyce and her boys
cannot go back to Lenore, California.
So they're stuck there. I I'm guessing her house in
Hawkins either got probably got sold, but also, why would I want
to go back there when I know that that's a portal for the

(43:22):
upside down? No, not going.
So you've got that stress and then you got your two older kids
who are never home. You got the youngest kid who is
now spacing off and talking to people in the streets that
don't, you know, that don't exist.
I was to the point where I was like, I don't even know why the

(43:46):
parents are here because like, really, what do they contribute
to the story aside from the factthat we can look at them and be
like, oh, they're shitty parents, but but.
They but. I don't.
I wouldn't call them city. I would say they're typical.

(44:07):
Yeah, that's what I would say. I don't.
I don't. They're not shitty because they
like encouraged their kids, but they, they, they, they made
their home inviting. Caring No I.
Mean they're typical of the parents.
Right the time, but I'm just saying and they made their house

(44:28):
inviting that everyone will comeover their house in the
neighborhood and and. And that's all well and.
Good. I'm just saying that is that is
the, that's the parents. Over after incident of the
federal government coming to look for your children when your

(44:48):
children are gone and on the runfor days on end like and, and
you again going back to the whole thing with with dairy and
just 80s parents in general because yes, we did have that
you know we had a little bit more freedom with, you know,

(45:10):
going outside or whatever, but alittle.
Bit more. But I know, like when I was that
age, here's my porch, there's the end of the street.
That's as far as I could go. If my mother couldn't see me
between Van and that end of the street, I was in trouble.
Or if I was at somebody else's house, somebody had to call.

(45:33):
But the, the, the amount I, I don't know.
And it's also with everything that's going on, you've.
Had right but but then they check in like I just had to
check in. So you check in and they did
check in. When?
Because she will say they said they would like every time

(45:55):
someone comes to the house looking for them.
She was like they said they wentto the movies.
You see what I'm saying? Even plenty of times they were
saying they were at someone else's house when they were.
Gone. Right.
And that's what you did because it's like they couldn't call you
no matter what. And if you said you.
No, no, no. Because we had parents that
would go to the house and be like, oh, are you here?

(46:18):
They don't do that here. They don't do that at.
Hawkins Well, I didn't have thata lot.
I'm sorry, I did. When I was working, so if I said
I was at the next door neighbor's house, but honestly,
I was at the next door neighbor too.
This goes back to like being in the 80s.
You grew up where Miami in the 80s, right?
You were in Milledgeville. I was here in Atlanta.
We had the missing and murdered children stuff going on up here.

(46:41):
So maybe it was a little bit different, but I would go back
into this because you got children who are being who are
missing. You got children who are being
murdered. You've got.
But what children have been missing and murdered?
It's only been one Barb. Barb, Chrissy.
Well, I mean last year but Chrissy was because of the DND.

(47:06):
You know what, we we going to get off this now, Eddie.
'S fault. That's what I'm saying.
So they didn't think Eddie gone so they just assumed that all
the the child murders are over, you see.
And when no child murders, it was 2 teenage girls, two teenage
girls. This ain't dairy everyone that's
rewind we had wrong show you. Forgot about.

(47:27):
Who? Real disappeared.
The black boy, they've been in the queue and then the the other
boy that was working. With a lot of people are missing
from the ground opening up, See,that's another thing.
See, that's the same with Season2 about the mall fire.
There's a lot of people missing there, but they adults and
children, they said they were inthe fire at the mall.
They know about the black boy. We also know about the board

(47:52):
saying. Because we are, they said it was
Eddie. So if I know that Eddie is gone,
I am not looking for my kids especially.
I ain't looking for them becausethey can't go nowhere like we.
Are trapped. I'm looking for them because the
military is there. We know them, OK.
But the military got them trapped because let's, let's

(48:13):
talk about this. The military comes to your door
and pick your kid up. I'm not letting my kid go on the
bus and go to no What? They didn't have a choice.
No, I don't give a we going to. They're going.
To take those kids. Town let them take kids to
mills. Why?
Again, I don't think the parentshad a choice.

(48:37):
I don't think. They some of them didn't even
know they left. They can't even say we're taking
your child. Again and pay attention.
Some of them didn't pay attention.
They didn't ask. Our whole point of this was that
the parents don't be paying attention in Hawkins, no?
They didn't ask because even even even Lucas paired a paying

(48:57):
attention. First of all, Erica be gone for
days. Did.
You just glad she out the house though.
You just glad she out the house.Just say you glad she got but.
No, I was going to say, for the most part, they knew where Erica
was. Erica was always with Tina up
until. Right, recently because her but

(49:19):
one time your child was locked in a Russian underground vault
for 20. 4 hours, Tina's house. It was after she was at the
house. She was at the house, OK, but we
and Lucas was gone. OK I'm sorry.

(49:40):
Sorry, everybody. OK, so these parents, these
parents did not watch that commercial.
Where are your kids at 10:00 PM?Because they really.
Don't know what their kids are. I will say this about Ted and
Karen for for whatever faults they have as parents so that I
feel like they have as parents when she hit the fan.
They both stepped up. Yeah, they did.

(50:01):
They definitely did. Because when when Holly goes,
when she went to Karen, first ofall, my whole thing was how the
hell do y'all not hear all this racket and all this screaming
and everything that's going on? Like it took it took the lights
blinking for Ted to be like, what is going on?
You didn't hear the walls tearing and the furniture being

(50:24):
thrown and your daughter screaming at the top of her
lungs. Karen, I can kind of understand
because she she's already kind of, you know, 2 sheets to the
wind and she's listening to her Fernando and she's listening to
her music so loud. So I can kind of sort of see.

(50:45):
But Ted was outside. He had none of that, none of
that noise interference. He should have been able to hear
something, but it's OK. He saw the lights when it's went
upstairs. Holly went to a mother was
trying to tell him her mom was like it was just a nightmare was
you have to feel the blood on her head in order to realize

(51:07):
that your child is an active trauma.
She is like terrified. What?
OK, whatever it takes. She got the memo.
Now I was looking at this scene when the when the demo Gordon
came into the bathroom and they were hiding in the tub.
I was like do those large tubs come standard in homes back then

(51:30):
and why don't we have them now? Because there is no way I could
have fit in that tub with a child and been and been hidden
good. There's no way I can't I can't
even sit on my side in my in my regular tub.
It's just no, but OK, we in there with the we in there with

(51:56):
the Avon skin so soft baby bubble bath.
It worked, almost didn't, but Ted came in right at the right
time. And I love the fact that when he
sees Demi Gorgon, he doesn't do the whole what is this?
He doesn't do the whole disbelief.
He was like, I get back, like, hey, so Ted gained some respect

(52:24):
for me probably for the first time in five seasons during the
scene because he saw that thing.He didn't ask no questions.
He didn't stand there dumb struck.
He didn't stand in disbelief. He was like, what we're not
going to do When the thing came after he hit it with his, OK,
you know what, Ted? You got a little bit of my
respect now. The way that he knocked them

(52:45):
into the wall, I thought Ted wasdead.
I'm very surprised that both he and Karen are still.
I was too, because I was. I was like.
No, don't kill Karen. But Karen went out like a boss
though. Listen.
She pulled a Molly Weasley and not my daughter you bitch cuz.
Right. She took that wine bottle and

(53:05):
she was stabbing that thing. I was like, OK, maybe they can
actually get away. I don't know why I thought that.
I should have known better, but she was giving it a, she was
giving it a good shot. And I was like, OK, Ted and
Karen have kind of, they've gained some respect in my eyes
because they they really did tryto save their daughter.

(53:26):
They did now what? I can't even think of her name
right now about warning her parents.
I don't know why I'm not bringing Nancy, so I think it
would even matter if you warned your parents or not.
You can warn them that somethingis coming, but nothing can
compare can prepare you for thatespecially.

(53:52):
If you haven't. Seen it right and even them
talking about what you going to walk around with shotguns like
Nancy? No, so literally her mom could
had did the best that she could.That's better than some other
parents could have. Or people.
Because he's the. Even the military couldn't even
make it no. So you preparing your mom

(54:15):
wouldn't have changed anything. If he wanted to come after them,
he was going to come after them.Yeah, I I think what would have
happened if they had told the parents, like Ted and Karen
might have been a little more strict.
They might have, but that might have extended to Mike and Nancy.
And then Mike and Nancy wouldn'thave been able to do what they

(54:36):
do. Because let me tell you this
whole thing that they have goingwith the crawl and the the
precision, which with that, withwhich they have this plan down
to AT and how everybody has their roles.
And I was like, I'm impressed because again, I think this goes
back again to the whole maturitything with with the guys.

(54:58):
It's like now that the whole town of Hawkins is affected, you
don't have time for the Kitty shit anymore.
You don't have time for the stupid little arguments.
Like you got the little fun stuff.
Even though, yes, there, there'ssome tension with some of them,
but it's not anything that is really detrimental to the group.

(55:22):
The whole Dustin thing, yes, he's dealing with his grief,
with his grief, but when they call him like, hey, we need you
to do this, that and the other, he's prepared.
He may not be quite as focused as we're used to seeing him, but
he's prepared. He was prepared to be at the
squawk that night. He just happened to go to the

(55:42):
cemetery and he he basically walked into an ambush.
But you know, that's what happens when you antagonize
people, especially if they if they paying attention to you and
they know your pattern, they know you going to go clean
Eddie's grave up. So, you know, but aside from
that, just the way that they alloperate, the way that they're

(56:04):
all like they're relying on eachother.
They they're they're short, you know, they're shorthand when
they speak to each other. The fact that Nancy is basically
in charge of the whole stuff because Nancy was like OK the
trucks are going to be here at such and such the which means I
want hopper block like OK Nancy being in charge of everything
which. You see, you see where Mike gets

(56:26):
it from. Like Mike has that that same, he
has that same ability, too, to take charge and and plan.
He's a planner. He's a planner.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, two years.
Ago even with D&D, we we saw that, yeah.
So he he's, he's good with strategy.

(56:47):
Yeah, he great. And then Nancy has that same
thing. Yeah, yeah.
Which which makes me, well, I don't, I won't even say makes
me. Which shows us why Holly is kind
of as level headed as she is, because even.
Level headed weird. No, no, no.

(57:10):
The reason why I'm saying that is because once she's in Mr.
what's his house, what's taken her?
They've had the conversation when she, you know, he gives her
a specific instruction when he leaves the house, he says, don't
go into the woods because a monster lives there.
And she gets a note in the mailbox telling her, hey, I'm in

(57:30):
trouble, I need you to come get me.
And the path that is taking her takes her straight to the woods.
So what does she do? She sits there, she thinks about
it. She analyzes the situation.
She's already gone through Mr. What's his house?
So she knows that he used to be a what is it a Boy Scout or a
Cub Scout? She knows he has certain things
here. And she literally starts

(57:51):
playing. I was like, oh, that's
definitely Nancy and Mike's sister.
Because when she's in a situation now where she has to
kind of calculate the danger, calculate what she's doing, she
doesn't act like a little kid. She really is like, OK, well, I
need to do this. I need to do this.
I need to have this kind of clothing on.
I need to carry this. Here's a weapon.

(58:13):
Like she really has that same mindset like her siblings does
do. It's just so, you know, just so
happens that she's not. So of course, if there's
somebody who, you know, she seeswho is projecting himself to be
friendly, somebody who's going to help her.
And again, she's seen what's going on with her brother and

(58:35):
her sister. She may not fully comprehend it,
but she knows what the shit goeson in Hawkins and that her
siblings are a part of that. Right.
You gave her a lot of credit. Yeah.
So when that guy's like, OK, hey, there's monsters here, I'm
going to come take care of you. And then when a monster actually
comes and tries to get her, yeah, I would go with him too,

(58:58):
because he's the one who's been saying all this time, I'm a
protect you, I'm going to help you.
Right, that just goes along about how all these kids got
kidnapped in the 80s. Yeah.
And all you have to say is see your parents had to go to
another place and they want you to feel safe.
So I have you. And then they're going to come

(59:20):
join us in a few days. Come with me.
And unfortunately, that's what happened to a lot of kids back
here. Right, I'm just saying that does
and and I'm saying that is saying you giving her a lot of
credit. She's to me, she's act like a
kid, She's acting like kids. She was hesitant about going
into the woods. She still didn't follow damn

(59:42):
directions. Would you tell kids not getting
the car with a stranger but theystill didn't hurt a stranger
because they say something like I know your parents.
But I mean. But it's starting to click once
she actually has conversation with Max.
Because that you know is true. Yeah.
You know what happened to Max, so it's kind of odd that she is

(01:00:05):
in the same place as you. And I'm so glad to see Max
because I was like OK y'all I understand Max is in a coma but
I need Sadie sync on my screen so I'm glad we got her back
finally. She looks mature and beautiful.
She does, but she also looks stressed.
She like I'm tired of being in this man's mind, right She's.

(01:00:28):
Tired of being tired? Yes.
Listen and the things. She's saying.
What? What did she say?
That the only choices she had was one option, one option, one
was to kill herself, I'm sorry, and allow herself.
And two was escape or three was accept.

(01:00:53):
Yeah. Then that say it and then it
said that you see some things and then you do actually see
that Lucas is still coming to your bedside playing running up
that hill. He should be really tired of
that song by that time. But however, however, I'm trying

(01:01:15):
to save her life. But that's and that she can feel
his hand and everything. That was so sad.
And the fact that she almost, she was almost almost there
there for the damn cassette tape.
Don't y'all have CDs at this point?
It's not right? Then.
Then no, no, not. Yet.

(01:01:35):
Shut the head like it twice like2 so you just pop it in.
He need to have one of those Maxell 90 minute cassettes and
just just just put the song on aloop.
I mean, I know you look, it's the 80s.
I know he could sit right there on the on the cassette tape, he

(01:01:55):
can sit there with his hand on the record button for when it
plays on the radio just like we used to do and just do that.
But but again, Lucas is not aware of what's going on with
Max's mind. So he doesn't know.
He's just like, OK, I'm just going to play the song and play
the song. Hopefully it'll it'll draw her
back. But but all I have to say is

(01:02:17):
from seeing that you must know when you get out of it.
And you come out this coma, you gonna have to marry the man.
Well, damn, you gonna have to. He he literally probably is the
only one besides your Mama coming to visit.

(01:02:39):
And if she don't? And talk to and read books too.
And sing songs too. And if she don't make it, I feel
bad for his wife, his future wife, his.
She ain't never going to measure.
Up No. No, but you know this man been

(01:03:00):
at your bedside. Every day, every day.
And I'm sure the other, I'm surethe others go to visit her too,
just like we saw. No, we saw Will visiting her and
to talk, talk about their plan, about what they're going to try
to do. You know, he's trying to,
they're still trying to keep herin the loop, you know, even

(01:03:20):
though they don't know if she can hear, they don't know if
she's aware of what's going on. But, you know, it's nice to see
them be like, OK, you know what?She is still part of the group.
Even if she can't participate, even if she can't hear, at least
she'll, you know, at some point,maybe she'll know that she's
still part of us. I was going to say something

(01:03:42):
really horrible. I was like one person who's not
visiting her but whatever will visit because he just tell all
his secrets to and talk to and no one talks back.
So he expressed his emotions. Mike has no time.
But that's me and Mike, you know, I just don't get.

(01:04:03):
No will. OK, that was.
It I had to get that one here. He ain't going to visit her, OK?
Will. I don't think Will is going to
let. And 11 can't get into the
hospital so. Well, yeah, that she.
Cannot, but I bet she still tries to like search for stuff
once in a while and see if. I don't know 'cause she seems

(01:04:25):
very singularly focused right now.
He is, but I think she still tries, you know, after that Eggo
waffle in Miami Vice reruns thatshe may settle down and try.
I don't know 'cause she trying to go on these crawls with
Hopper. Right.
And be her time. He is not.

(01:04:45):
You see, she's another one stucktoo, because he he's he has
valid points of why. Like we're going to need you
when we actually find him, not when we looking.
Because at this point you come in while we looking, we have
someone, the military is lookingfor you.
But if but when it's time, you need to be ready.

(01:05:07):
Just be ready when it's time. And if they capture her?
You don't even. Because the military, they got a
base in the upside down now. Right.
Which is amazing to me. Which is amazing to me.
And why I'm not surprised, I wouldn't be surprised in in this
universe if they don't have bases all over the place because

(01:05:28):
this obviously this is not something that they're new to
doing. This seems like something that
they've already done before, theway they have with the burn and
the portal. And how do they have the base
set up? It's almost like this is not the
first time they've done this. I I agree.

(01:05:49):
I think the thing that kind of surprises me is because even the
world, OK, up until the the the last episode, we didn't know
where Vetna was, you know, and, and the fact that I guess it was
just that you don't know for sure that Vetna is dead.
So he could be anywhere still inthe Upside down.

(01:06:12):
Not only that, the Demi Gorgons could be in the upside down and
you guys aren't exactly being quiet about the fact that you're
there. You know, they actually have a
monster. I don't think it was a Demi
Gorgon, but they have some kind of monster in their lab that
they're using to do whatever they're they're testing and all

(01:06:37):
this other stuff and. I don't think they know the
existence of vector. They don't.
They don't. I don't think they had they,
they don't know. No, they don't.
Who would they know that from? They keep thinking, which they
always thinking it's 1111 is doing this.
Yeah, they think 11 it created this and 11 is doing these

(01:07:00):
things. Remember, they don't know
nothing about him. And so the last season.
And so when and so when they were like, when they were like,
oh, they have something there inthe base, I was like, it's it's
not Victor because he can be doing all this other stuff.
It had to be something else or someone else.
And you know what? I so I.

(01:07:22):
Because the person who knows it is dead, yes.
And that that I think that's thething.
I wasn't thinking about the factthat because I was like, why
wouldn't they know? But I don't know.
Also, I kind of feel like, I don't know, there's something
about Doctor Ki feel like she knows more than she's letting

(01:07:43):
on. She think he does, but she.
Doesn't know about Victor. And see, this is what I was
saying on we talked about the friends on the panel.
Same thing on on the ABC 11. Right.
So we this is the same thing or she's like 11 or not 11.
We really don't know, but we need 11.
Well, we were talking about withthe panel about Doctor Papa,

(01:08:06):
Doctor Brenner, about him working with someone else.
So we do know that that that happens because we know that the
play for Shadow is Canon. So this has occurred before.
So I'm feeling like she's from that section when it first
started happening because she you'll be that age.

(01:08:29):
However they are used, they knowa part about the Upside Down,
but they don't know about VEGNA.Only Doctor Brennan knows about
VEGNA because he kept that to himself.
He just knew about. It you.
See what I'm saying? Because that was in his lab, not
when they were together. And he was also kind of
responsible. For that whole thing.

(01:08:49):
So yeah, yeah. OK, you know, yeah.
And I think the thing that I wasmaybe misremembering, not the
fact that they have, that they knew Vecna's existence.
I'm still thinking about Elevens, just kind of her how
she was so sure it was Vecna that they had because because of

(01:09:11):
the weapon that they created that basically kind of like her
kryptonite. She was thinking, she was like,
it has to be Vecna. It has to be Vecna.
And I don't know where in the process where I was watching it
and I was like, I don't think it's Vecna.
And then I really started thinking about Cali because I

(01:09:31):
think the actress who plays Cali, she came to the premiere.
Yep, she was at the premiere andI was like, they should be like,
oh, definitely. I said they're going to bring
her back in some capacity for the final season.
I didn't think it was going to be the way that they did this,
how they have her captured and they're using her powers, you

(01:09:52):
know, to disable Elle. But I'm like, now I want to
know, how did you guys even get to her?
Like she was doing such a good job of hiding herself.
So it's kind of like. Remember she had, she's like,
yeah, she has her limits, though.
But do you? But do you think because
sometimes people will have the illusion that they are OK?

(01:10:15):
So they may have known where shewas and then just tracking her
at some points. But for her, but for hers and
then for her, she's thinking, I I've got away with this.
But when they need you, they need you, and they know when to
grab you. I would I would think it

(01:10:35):
probably was when she and Elle met back up.
Right. And then also eat.
And also they, they could have been studying and watching from
afar and seeing what she's doing.
They don't care what happens locally.
Yeah, I don't care if you steal from a pawn shop.
Well, this is we got bigger fishto fry here.
So they could have been watchingher and what she could do, what

(01:10:57):
she can't do to see how to create things to, you know what
I'm saying? So where?
They thought they could use her against L.
They might to find out something.
Or or whatever they about to do 'cause it.
It's just it baffles me why everything is her fault but I'm
OK Who Callie's fault, no L's fault.

(01:11:19):
Well, it kind of. Well, it's not really.
It isn't. It let, let, let.
Let's start from the beginning. It could be she is not her
fault. No.
What? What did she do?
She didn't do nothing. She didn't do nothing.
The Upside Down was already there.
Everything that she did, she. Opened the gate because.

(01:11:41):
She didn't. She pushed.
She pushed Henry into the gate. But who fault was that?
Phil Henry. 'S fault was Henry being that
way. That oh, that's Brenner.
Absolutely. Brenner.
OK. The one that started out of
this, Yeah. Right.
Yeah, because. That.
You're gonna go already at the power.
So he took advantage of a kid slash teenager.

(01:12:05):
I'm trying to close the pothole there, teenager, kid slash
teenager. He took advantage of him and
then use him to do what? To make all these other kids and
adults. Yeah, yeah.
So. This is not our fault.
She was a weapon that was used. For those listening who didn't
watch the play, yeah, Brenner actually found Brennan, found

(01:12:30):
Henry and used Henry's blood andput in pregnant women, which is
where it created that whole generation I'll generation.
That's the thing, I don't know anything about the play except
for the fact that is Henry's kind of like his back story and
I know that they're going to be using some of that in this
season. But I and they said that it was

(01:12:51):
and then they said it was Canon.So all of that was Canon.
Yeah. Even if some about about the the
parents. Being the school.
Together. Yeah.
Nance, not Nancy Joyce. Yeah.
Yeah. Which they have hinted at in
this first volume. So I'm I'm sure we'll see more

(01:13:11):
of that. And probably in volume to
because there's there's like this, I guess a play going on.
And you see in in Henry's memories, Max and and Holly are
in his memories and you kind of see this.
And I was like, yeah, this is probably going to explain how

(01:13:31):
all of them are connected because you see Joyce, you see
Hopper's name there, and I thinkthere were a couple of other.
Names Bob. Newbie.
Yep. Oh, so I wonder.
I thought it was Sister's name on there.
What's his name? See his name was on there I.
Thought it was her name. I thought she was in the play.
Cool, I don't do freeze frames so OK she was in the play too

(01:13:55):
but it seems opposite too. OK, OK.
And then so not to give that away so y'all can figure out.
And then and also the reason dealing with The Cave why he
can't go in The Cave is in the play.
OK. And I'm leaving that there, but
that is the reason. I was kind of curious about that
because. And they just Duff Brothers did

(01:14:15):
say the because this cannon thatis the reason why he won't go
into the caves. OK, OK.
Because I was wondering about that because Max was like, this
is the only safe place I have because he was scared to come in
here. Yeah.
It's like when you look at it from Max's point of view, it's
just open country, very beautiful, very peaceful, very

(01:14:38):
serene. So it's kind of like what's in
there that scares him. Which again, I guess we'll we'll
find out of volume. 2. But yeah, all of that was very
interesting about him because because when you when we watched
Season 4 and Nancy and Robin went to go talk to Victor Krill,

(01:15:02):
Victor made it seem like all of this stuff happened when Henry
was a child, which, OK, if it happened when he was a child,
but he still, you know, maybe under Doctor Brenner's
guardianship or whatever, he still ends up going to high
school. He still ends up doing some of

(01:15:22):
the normal stuff. It was like, OK, but it's just
kind of interesting that I, I don't know.
And I guess I'll I'll have to wait until we see those just
kind of that that background of his field in.
I mean then this is not no spoiler.
Even though he talked, it did happen when he was a kid and it
was before the doctor and then the doctor came to him.

(01:15:46):
See, in my mind, not to say you know what Henry is a sorry,
Victor is an unreliable narrator.
So in his mind, Henry is a little kid, but in reality he
was probably much older. A little older.
Yeah, because that's what peopleare trying to reconcile.
They're trying to reconcile Season 4, how he looked younger,
however, he was in high school. So but also it's how we present

(01:16:11):
ourselves when we tell a story. Yeah, that's you see what I'm
saying? I I think Victor was Victor is
not a reliable narrator because he's still looking at him as his
child. Right.
Because those flashbacks were from his perspective.
Yeah, I didn't think about that.And that's when you do, because
sometimes when you think of yourkey, you sometimes don't picture

(01:16:33):
what's right in front of you. You picture like a good average
age. And that's. 00 And then also
he's not aware that that Henry was the one that was doing all
of that. We find that out when Henry is
talking to Elle, right? Yeah.
OK, Right. Yeah, that's correct.

(01:16:54):
But just how everyone had an issue with the age.
Yeah. But I like what Anthony said.
Like that's how his dad still sees his family.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, just him a little younger, probably the age where
everything was simple and innocent before it became crazy.
But yeah. Before it came, it was, yeah,

(01:17:17):
OK. I was gonna say another bad
joke. Like, you know, Erica's parents
probably think of her when she was little.
But it was cute. You know what now?
She's a teenager and it ain't funny.
So since you bring her up, we need to talk about Miss Erica
Sinclair. Because babe.
Yeah, so I love Erica, but we need to seek some counseling

(01:17:43):
because she is so willing to poison a family.
It wasn't poison. First of all.
You drug to family now you drug that's still you don't drug
nobody I. Want to say this one thing?
I just want to say this one thing.
She was she. She was so into it that she

(01:18:03):
brought the syringe as a backup plan because she knew that girl
was not going to eat her her pie.
Because she knew Tina. Because she knew Tina and she
was prepared for that outcome. OK, right, it was ready, but she
that's the problem and she did seem upset about I'm just saying
and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it.

(01:18:26):
I'm just saying I wouldn't be a husband and make her mad.
I'm just saying no, definitely not, but it's or she had kids.
Don't mess with her kids, you. Can't.
Given the situation and what they were dealing with, you
can't be mad at her for being prepared.
No, I don't know, I'm mad. It's just the, the, the slight

(01:18:48):
enjoyment, OK, but and then the thing.
OK, so everyone come on now. I need y'all to understand
'cause I see a lot of complaintsabout her friend Tina that Tina
was white. It's OK that Tina was white and
the Republican. They are from her Hawkins.
Indiana in the 80s. Andy, thank you.

(01:19:11):
It wasn't that many Democrats inthe area, and it wasn't that
many blacks. Yes, she had a few black friends
at the mall. I don't know what happened to
them. OK.
They probably died in the mall fire like half the town did.
They probably were. On summer vacation when Hawkins
split open, and they're probablynot in the time that's.
True or no, they felt. But even growing past before

(01:19:33):
that happened, her friend has been Tina.
Tina has been talked about sinceseason 2.
Yeah, because it was probably one of those things like like
with Lucas and Will, Lucas and will have actually.
Right, that's what I'm saying. So.
On Now and Then Tina and you seeTina.

(01:19:55):
Tina got the back and forth too.Like like Lucas said, Tina is a
villain. That's Erica's type right there.
Would not mess with those two. I would not mess with those two
you. Say, is Tina evil?
No. She's a villain.
Wow. Which, again, is why Erica went

(01:20:16):
there prepared. And she knew she's like, I know
she's not going to eat this pie.I know she's not.
Think about, think about the scope of what they were about to
do. They're about to use this family
to try to trap the Demogorgon because they knew it was coming
after Derry. Yeah, they have to go through

(01:20:37):
some extreme masks because again, it's kind of like the
whole thing when Nancy, oh, we could have warned our parents.
How are you going to walk up to this boy's parents and be like,
hey, so there's some monsters associated with this whole split
in the town and he's going to come after your dipshit of a son
and we want to actually help youguys so that that doesn't

(01:20:57):
happen. Do you know how fast they're
going to call Hawkins police? Like, come get these crazy kids?
And if you got the same two people who are leading Hawkins
police, because obviously nobodyknows Hopper is back right now.
Hopper is still living in the living in the.
World now who paying the mortgage and taxes on that it's

(01:21:18):
paying. For.
It's paying for taxes. Taxes.
You still pay taxes, but OK, it's neither here nor there.
I'm sorry. Yeah, but they, yeah, there
really wasn't anything else for her to do.
She's like, OK, this is the plan, this is what we have to
do. So we're going to have to knock
them out. And we got to make sure that

(01:21:40):
this happens because I mean, thestuff that they did to these
folks, how if I was Tina's parents when I came back to my
house? And that.
Wine, a hole in the floor, and all of my wine.
That we have collected all of the wine.

(01:22:02):
I will have a problem. Yeah, yeah.
Hey, I will not accept any more Derek slander on this podcast
because Derek is not I didn't anasshole he was.
No, Derek is just misunderstood.No, Derek, it was a bully.
He's highly. Intelligent.

(01:22:23):
He is and he he was a bully. And I think he was just bored.
But he didn't have to bully he Idon't.
Think he was bullying? Anybody you stop, he wasn't that
playground. He was, he was.
Well, he then he was being in that playground and she told him
to stop and the kid said he. Was a bullet.

(01:22:45):
He got scared straight when he saw the demagogue Grant, and he
was like, oh shit, this shit is real, right?
Oh that, that was one of the great lines when he was talking
to the military people and he was like, I seen the thing and
y'all are not prepared. Y'all can't do shit.
But you know who else he's scared of?
He was scared of Erica. Erica was like, come on, come

(01:23:07):
on. He's like, oh, forget that.
I go. I just climb up.
I'm good, 'cause you knocked outa woman.
You a man Wheel. You had wheel rolling on the
ground with you. But then you saw Erica.
You took off running. Yeah, but no, I fell in love
with Derek. But let's be honest.
Derek was a mean kid. He was.

(01:23:30):
But I understand what you're saying.
No one played with him. So he just took it out and and
you see how his sister is. So that's just how he knows how
to interact with people. There's a difference between
being a bully because he don't seem like the kid.
That would be like give me your lunch money.

(01:23:50):
That is not the only type of bully.
When your sister says mom and dad says come to dinner and his
response is they can bite me. That's not being a bully, that's
just. But no, we're not.
We're not talk about, but that'swhat we're saying.
Their interactions. Look at his sister.
So they do that at they house. You know what I'm saying?

(01:24:10):
So he doesn't know how to interact with people.
That's what I'm saying. Other kids.
So he wants to play with you, Hedoesn't know how to, so he just
spins the miracle round faster. You know, thinking that's fun.
Thinking that's funny? That's not funny, but.
It's not. Funny because he was alone in
the classroom. Nobody want to deal with him.
No one want to deal with Derry. He got that smart ass mouth.

(01:24:34):
If I'm just walking, I. Agree but I'm just saying I I
agree but I see where he he's getting it from.
He got a billing sister. His parents is drinking a butt
load of wine, so I don't think they even realize they got two
kids in the house. And I say that because they got
a gorgeous wine collection. Karen would like to be invited

(01:24:56):
over, but yeah, but, but look athow the kids responded to him
when he had to get the group together.
It was quite interesting that they were listening to him.
He was doing the meditation and then hitting the mess out of
their head to get their attention.

(01:25:16):
But they but he, he was, he led them like he he had a purpose.
That's all. He needed, he did.
I do I, I'm. I feel so bad for Derek.
I like Derek now. Oh, I, I love him now.
Like once he saw the light, I was like, OK, I, I can get down

(01:25:36):
with you, but I, you know, I. I think he was always like that.
He was building a molecule in the class.
He's very. Smart, yeah, but Holly did say
to Henry now he mean. He I didn't say he wasn't mean.
I don't think he was a bully. Will agree to disagree on that.

(01:25:58):
He may like Holly, so he just didn't know how.
No, we're not going. No, we're not going.
We're not going to start that that that discourse that so I'm
I'm AII like her, so I'm going to hit no, we we.
But honestly, though, looking athow his sister is and how she
responds to things, clearly that's how that that dancer they
got in their house though, and Iknow, and that's that's the way

(01:26:20):
because that must be acceptable when he he can just hand it
back. I was best and in.
The ages and anyway, you know. Right, because even Erica got a
flipped mouth. Yeah, let let's be honest.
If Derek is a bully, Eric is a bully.
Oh now we, we, I mean what is the running joke right now?

(01:26:42):
Send Erica to Derry Mane and shewill have Pennywise out of that
town in 5 minutes you guys. Don't mess with she don't have
to be a bully, they just don't mess with her.
Nobody messing with her. Yeah, there's a reason.
Yeah, nobody messing with her be.
Bullied. No, no, she doesn't have to be a
bullet. She don't have to.
They literally just not going tomess with her here.
It is. She don't take no shit.

(01:27:04):
So if you and she tells the truth so you just like you just
back away not for herself beep beep.
Nah, she ain't standing up for herself.
I think she just tell people howit is and you just be like you
going to get your feelings hurt so just back away.
Beep, beep, beep. With that too, but she stand up
for herself. Think about think about how she

(01:27:25):
was with your head. Bastard.
Yes, exactly. A grown adult.
That OK? Yeah.
What did she say when they were trying to tell her?
We knew she was like y'all got one minute 55 seconds and.
She was so excited about the wormhole, which must be very
important for us. I mean, she just likes being

(01:27:47):
smart. She was like, it's my favorite
class. And then when they were like, Oh
well how how Holly's been kidnapped by the Dement Gorgon
and, and Vagner blah blah blah blah blah.
She was like, y'all should have lived with that.
I was like, yeah, why didn't y'all, y'all know Erica don't
deal with this no nonsense mess.No, but seriously, the wormhole

(01:28:09):
is important because they alwaysbring a lovely science teacher
to explain something. So now I'm like what?
OK. So I want to move on now to some
of the other characters that we haven't talked about yet.
I was not expecting the friendship with Robin and Will,

(01:28:33):
but I am here for it. Yeah, I was going to bring that
up. I love that partner.
I I love every year that they dopartner people up with in
different situations. So I really enjoyed the Robin
and Will. Yeah, and I like Robin's dynamic
anyway, because she, she's the person who like she has smarts

(01:28:56):
about her. But you, that's not immediately
what you noticed about her. You just noticed that she's kind
of, you know, she's very talkative and she's very nervous
and she's very, you know, she gets flustered very easily.
But you also noticed that she isvery loyal to her friends, that
she has a big heart. And yeah, her, her conversations

(01:29:18):
with Will in these first 4 episodes, just basically once
Will accidentally discovers thatshe's gay and the way that she
pays attention to him and she was like, oh, OK.
Like she notices it about him without it being said aloud.

(01:29:40):
And the fact that she kind of gives him his her, her little
pep talk and just kind of helps him to accept things about
himself and also just to kind oflook at things in a different
way. I was like, this was not the,
this was not the friendship I was expecting, but I love it.

(01:30:02):
I love that he actually now has someone that he can talk to
that's not within that immediatecircle.
So he may feel more comfortable,you know, talking about his
feelings or or opening up to herabout things that he wouldn't
necessarily with the rest of thegroup.
And I think that's that's very important for him, especially in

(01:30:23):
this first part with what happens in in the last episode.
It's kind of like, I don't know,like him breathing, him being
able to finally accept who he isfully, you know, without any
worries, without worrying about what other people are going to
think about him, without worrying about the whole thing
with Mike, you know, because, OK, yes, obviously we all know

(01:30:47):
he's in love with Mike. But also I kind of wonder if
that's really the case with him.And I think Robin kind of
touched up on that. She's like, yeah, you know, the
first, the first crushes that wehave, the people that we attach
ourselves to. You know, you kind of I think
that even with regular relationships that that's going

(01:31:07):
to be kind of like the end all, be all, like, oh, this is the
person I'm going to love forever.
And that might not necessarily be true.
That might just be the person who is there for you to awaken
those feelings or for you to realize, oh, this is what I'm
feeling. You know, because I've seen a
lot of people who speculate thatWill and Mike are going to end

(01:31:29):
up together at the end of the season.
And I just don't think that's going to happen.
I don't think one, I don't thinkI would want that 2.
It just doesn't feel right. It doesn't because it because
honestly, Mike really loves 11:00 and 11:00 loves Mike.

(01:31:54):
Yeah. He does love Will, but as his
friend, Yeah, it works out better that Mike is Will's first
crush, something that he had to overcome to then find the love
of his life. Not Mike.
Yeah, I know 'cause I don't carefor my, I mean, I'm fine with
Mike, but not because it's Mike.I'm just saying don't throw.

(01:32:16):
Don't make a relationship that don't need to be made into one.
Yeah, yeah, that's his best friend.
But like I said it, he has a crush on currently at this time
because that's that. But I mean, a lot of people do
that. They their crushes are their
first best friend, especially a best friend of the opposite sex

(01:32:38):
for the most part. But sometimes it can be for the
same sex. And it could just be, it could
be that you're gay, or it could just be that you're a kid and
you're confused and you don't know.
But most of us don't end up happily ever after with our
first crushes. That would be almost impossible,

(01:32:59):
you know what I'm saying? Like who?
Who ends up with the person theywere crushing on at 5?
No, nobody does that. Nobody does that.
So but I like the fact that Mikeis like the person that he feels
that way towards because it's a person he's comfortable with for

(01:33:21):
the most part. And I feel like once Mike finds
out about Will, even if he findsout that Will is in love with
him, I don't think that he is the type of person who would
shun Will or who would make him feel bad about it or make him

(01:33:42):
feel awkward about it. Especially after the
conversation they had where, youknow, Will was talking about
how, you know, basically they'retalking about Wills possibility
of having his powers. And Will is like, oh, so you're
saying I'm like Beckman? He was like, yeah, but there's
nothing wrong with that because you're the, you're the good
part. You're the, you're the sorcerer

(01:34:03):
like that. That's who you've always been
for us. You know, I just feel like once
that comes out in the open and everybody is cool with it, I
think at that point we'll realize, oh, OK, you know what?
That was just my awakening. This is not what I need to do.

(01:34:24):
Cuz I think part of him does kind of feel bad about that
because 11 is like a sister to him.
And you basically are crushing on your, your sister's, you
know, boyfriend. But I, I don't want him and
might to, to end up together. That would just seem very weird
to me. But I do hope that he is able to
kind of be completely himself infront of his friends and that be

(01:34:50):
OK with them. I mean, we know it's OK with
Jonathan. We know Steve would have no no
problems with it. Because I mean, when Steve found
out about Robin, he was just like, oh, and she was like,
Steve say something because she's thinking he's going to be
upset. And Steve was like, but Tammy
Thompson like really, you know, so hopefully he hopefully will

(01:35:12):
has that same experience. But again, Robin, big part of
that big part of him kind of accepting who he is and the
result of that that we get at the end of episode 4.
When I say I was I I really think I need to start taping my

(01:35:37):
reactions because I flipped out.I flipped out just seeing will
be be able to kind of tap into his and I don't know if we want
to call it his power. Yeah, yeah, we know he didn't
have it going into the side down, but clearly the force diet

(01:36:02):
that you had to be on for a couple of days, right, This is
what you have. So yes, I was like definitely
cheering. I've watched that scene about
several. Times.
Yeah, Like way too many times. Yeah, I, I just, I just felt so
I just felt fondly for him. And I know even in real life he

(01:36:26):
was like, oh, yes, finally for my character too.
Because, you know, again, he's off to the side.
He doesn't connect with everyone, especially after
being, you know, taken and then not just taking the first time
in the second season 2 being evaded like that was a full on
body assault, You know, of his whole body and brain, like just

(01:36:49):
always being the target and the victim and being off to the side
and finally having finding your power.
And I absolutely like, absolutely love it.
Yeah, because I I would say I was worried when they showed us,

(01:37:10):
when they showed him looking through the Demogorgon's eyes, I
was worried. I was like, are y'all going to
tell us that Will is evil? Like, are y'all going to tell us
that he is a part of this? I was like, I don't want that to
be. But the way that they're doing
it with him being able to, I guess Siphon is the best way to
say it. Like he can siphon Beckner's

(01:37:34):
towers. I guess that's part of the way.
What? What is he doing 'cause he's.
He he has them. He's plugging into the the hive
mind. But he well.
This and and he's using the samepowers.
But see, that's what I'm saying.Is he like siphoning them?

(01:37:55):
Because if he. No, he's not.
He's not siphoning them because if he's.
Not plugged in. He doesn't have the abilities.
Right. But he's not siphoning him.
He's not taking power away from him.
He's he's using the power. Once he's plugged in he can use
it, but he's not siphoning anything from victim.
OK, OK. But it was fantastic.

(01:38:17):
It was because the Demogorgans don't.
They don't have, they don't, they don't think, they're not
human, they don't have human brains.
So when he's played in, he actually can think and use his
mind, so he's able to use the power too.

(01:38:38):
So he's just plugged into the same socket.
They're plugged into the same power strip.
OK. Yeah, yeah, Either way it goes,
it was cool because all of them are getting attacked or about to
get attacked. And you just see them kind of
freak the Demogorgans freeze in the air like they can't move,

(01:38:58):
like something is holding them back.
And then when you see this will cause automatically you you
think it's 11, like you think 11has come to the rescue, right.
Everybody else, the military is dying.
All the kids are being snatched up.
Whatever. You really think that, oh, when
this happens, this is 11 has come out from the upside down.
She's whatever when they showed Will and he's already holding

(01:39:22):
back the one that's trying to get it, Mike.
And then you have the other one in a totally different location
trying to go for Lucas. He does the hand that one.
Then you have another one in a totally different location going
after Robin and he puts his whenhe put his head up and that
demo, gorgeous. I was like, you know what?

(01:39:43):
This is about to be some good good.
Yeah. Cuz finally, like you said,
finally Will has. And I, I think even he was
getting, I don't know if I want to say tired, but he was just
kind of like, oh, you know, I think he was on Jimmy Fallon's

(01:40:06):
show and he was talking about when they got the script for the
table. And he was saying how he hadn't
read it yet and people were like, have you read it yet?
He was like, no, it's just goingto be a bit more of a, you know,
that kind of thing. And then when they got to the
table read, I don't know if you've actually seen the video
of them at the table read when they're reading that particular

(01:40:27):
scene like. Yeah, when he what he knew
before then when he said he whenhe first read it, he was at home
and with his roommate and he shared it with her.
But like, literally he was like about naked, just jumping in the
shower, Right. So that's why I was saying when
I said it earlier about even in real life, he was like, OK,

(01:40:49):
we're going to have the same thing, me being a victim again,
you know, but now him finding power and being the one to
honestly can save them. Yeah.
Who have saved them? Because he just saved them.
It doesn't all fall on I'll. Right.
And it's not all about everyone trying to save Will.

(01:41:11):
Yeah, that too. That too SO.
Because you got to, you got to wonder.
Elle has been doing this for, for by herself for so long.
What kind of toll is that takingon her body?
We already see, even with Will, when he uses his abilities to
kill the Demogorgons, he has theNosebleed.

(01:41:32):
You know, we see Elle, she gets that every time she uses her
power. What is that doing to her
physically? Because I'll be honest, Elle is
one that I am worried is not going to make it through the
season. You know, especially she and
Mike are sitting up on the roof and they're talking about what
would happen once all of this isopen.
They're talking about the future.

(01:41:53):
And Mike is like, yeah, you know, usually in the stories,
the people leave town because too much has happened.
She was like, do you think that can happen for us?
And he was like, yeah, I was like, no, I.
No. And then?
I don't think she's going to make it through the season.
And then I'm trying to use that logical, OK, so if she dies,
that's Hopper. He loses another kid.

(01:42:14):
Would they really do that to him?
Damn, he may be dead too. So.
Because because I, I'll be honest.
When when when he showed that bomb when when 11 found mom and
he was like, yeah, if if this dude is in here, I'm going to go
take care of him because I don'twant anything to happen to you.
I'm I can't risk losing you whenyou going to be gone.

(01:42:36):
So what does it matter what? Let.
Let me tell you, I was sitting there like, if they kill Hopper
in this first volume, I will be so mad.
Thankfully that didn't happen, but I was just like, I'm not
ready to lose anybody yet. Now I have a feeling this, this

(01:42:58):
second volume coming up, I have a feeling we're going to lose
somebody. I just, I think if it's going to
be L, it's going to be in the last episode.
It's going to be. Oh, yeah.
But I have a feeling we are going to lose someone big in the
next episode. I mean, in the next volume.

(01:43:19):
I don't know if that's Hopper. I don't know if that's Joyce,
because I kind of feel like Joyce is on the chopping block
as well. I don't know.
She had a she had a Wagner threwher and he threw her so nice he
she landed. Gently I.
Mean he, he destroyed. He destroyed.
I mean, Wagner knows, that's what.

(01:43:41):
The army but but but her he just.
Well. Blew.
Her over, I kind of know why he probably didn't kill her.
If they use that, if they use them knowing each other in the
past, could be, I don't know, but she, you know, he wasn't
really trying to hurt her. So she landed so soft.

(01:44:04):
She. Might have been one of the only
people who was nice to him. Probably so.
So yeah, we will see. I'm just happy that once we come
out on Thursday, Christmas Day, we don't have much more time for
only one episode, right? Right.
I think all the kids are safe. I think the young adults are not

(01:44:27):
safe. Nancy, Jonathan and Steve.
And Robin. And Robin, I don't think they're
safe, but I think all the kids. Are I don't even think Nancy
will ever die. I don't think Nancy will die.
Because even Nancy in in Nightmare on Elm Street dies so.
She does and that's what she's tailored out the but I don't

(01:44:51):
think Nancy, I don't think Nancy.
And then it's not Jonathan because they're going to put
Nancy and Jonathan really, really when she's supposed to
choose her own person, but she'sgoing to choose Jonathan.
And then, you know, it's, it's really true, you know, Steve is.
Going to save everyone. I don't think Nancy is going to
choose either one of them. Oh no, she but like even in this

(01:45:12):
seat volume, Steve ain't saying he in in the running.
He was like it's y'all too, y'all need to get it together.
But I don't think she's so. He's not even trying to be
chosen, but he's still going to die because he's going to
protect them all. Well.
OK, so I'm preparing myself for my Christmas nightmare, OK?

(01:45:32):
And I mean, Steve says that he, you know, he tells Jonathan, you
know, she's my friend. And he emphasized friend.
But then later on, when they're in the world, this was last
season, I think it was when he told her, you know, when I think
about, you know, a missus Harrington and all the kids, I
still think of you. I don't think he's out of the

(01:45:55):
running or I don't think he thinks of himself out of the
running because I mean the idiotic stuff that they pulled
in the first episode. I was like y'all are so
childish, Like I would be glad he is but either one of y'all.
Yeah, but he's still, he's beingvery respectful of their
relationship. He is, but he really is.
I don't, I don't think Steve, Steve is is trying to hook up

(01:46:18):
with the next. Girl, that's so competitive.
But that's true too. I don't even sometimes think
he's nasty. I think he's just competitive
here and he got to prove himselfbecause Jonathan took his girl.
Well, I mean, honestly, Jonathantook his girl.
Really did. Mr. Steve, your.
Girl, yeah, he did so. Yeah, but I don't think Nancy's

(01:46:40):
going to end up with either one of them in real.
I hope she goes off and has a beautiful future, yeah.
But I think she's a little too independent now at this point.
And she's also she's way more mature than those two guys.
Because even if Steve is like, I'm not in the running, that's
on y'all. Jonathan is 1/2 insecure 2.

(01:47:06):
Jonathan is not honest with her.Like before, before all this
stuff happened with Hawkins, he didn't even tell her that he
didn't apply to the school that they were supposed to go to.
Because, you know, he, he felt like he needed to take care of
his mom and his brother. Which I think if he had told her
that, she would have understood.She probably would have tried to

(01:47:27):
talk him out of it, but I think she would have understood.
And but and the fact that he felt like he couldn't talk to
her about that. And then all of this stuff that
they're going through now just. Yeah, I I'm kind of like, I need
Nancy to go off on her own and like, you still be friends with
both of the guys, but I just think Nah.

(01:47:49):
But of course, if one of them dies, it's not going to matter,
so. Yeah.
But ma'am, weren't you supposed to do like some bingo cards for
us for Stranger Things? I wrote down my my thoughts and
opinions. I did a check check off.
Yeah, but they were looking for the from the panel was looking

(01:48:09):
for you to have a bingo card. No, I wasn't going to make the
bingo card. That's what that's.
What you're saying that's what. You're saying y'all got to get
your own bingo card and filled it in?
That ain't. What?
You're saying that meant that you get you a bingo?
Card not what you said, that's what.
What you think is going to happen?
And she said she was going to doit.

(01:48:30):
And you, yes, she did. So I made my own.
And then y'all, everybody bring that card and see what you put
everybody. In that room thought you was
going to post a bingo card. Oh no, I'm so sorry, you know,
but I needed y'all to write downon your own bingo card, which I
thought was going to happen. We don't see what really
happened. So, so before it happened
because I'm a cheat, Well, you can't do it now because no one

(01:48:57):
has. Died yet?
No one has died yet. So you could came close, but
yeah, but you could really put because we're in the final
countdown now. So this was just a let's tell
you where everything is. Well, let's stand it up.
Well, I had that Max was still alive, running around in

(01:49:17):
victim's head. I said Max will be important,
yeah. Yeah, I had that and she was
around his head. How was she important?
I think she's more important in helping Holly.
Who's really important? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So. What I did not have was Ted
attacking the Demi Gordon with the Golf Club.
I don't think anybody. Anybody had that on their Big O?

(01:49:39):
Card nobody, but I will say thistoo and.
Karen with a broken bottle of wine.
Right. I don't think Ted's going to
make it though just because he and Karen both got attacked.
But notice the kids. Their focus is all on mom.
So either Taylor's going to die or he.
Don't know nothing about Holly and Hook.

(01:49:59):
Imaginary friend, Yes. He does.
Though he don't. I mean only as far as.
Only as far as. She has one right, but who knows
the details of this man Mom does.
Yeah. Because she they know that they
talked to Mom, they ain't talking to Dad.

(01:50:20):
He knows nothing. Yeah, 'cause you don't really
see them have any kind of conversation, especially a deep
conversation with Ted. But we have seen it with at at
least Karen and Nancy, you know.But yeah, I so I think, I think
Ted. Is yeah, and that's the and then
why they running around, you know, she been with her baby

(01:50:43):
most that's her baby. So she know what's happening to
her baby. Things that I did not couldn't
fit Phantom that how would they fix the earth opening up?
I couldn't figure out how they will fix that.
I don't know 'cause that metal Band-Aid ain't it.
I was. Gonna say it ain't really fix
it. But like, how would we move on

(01:51:04):
in this story? Like I didn't know how would the
town look would it just have this big old opening like how
what would happen? I like what they did with the
metal Band-Aid now them making everyone stay in town because I
was wondering why people didn't leave because you can't now.

(01:51:24):
This should be called kidnapping, however.
They've been quarantined. OK.
That's what we want to call it. That's what they're calling it.
I mean, some people made it out of town before they quarantined
and some people are coming back because, I mean, Murray is
coming in as like delivery because you still got to let

(01:51:47):
people in. You got to get food, you got to
get supplies. You can't just.
Quarantine a town off and then just.
Yeah, but only the suppliers arecoming in You.
It's not like your parents coming to visit you.
Yeah, that's true. If they live in another in
another state, you out of luck. Yeah, they are not letting
anybody leave. That's why it's OK for them to

(01:52:07):
pull up in your driveway with the school bus and collect your
child. Something's not right.
You didn't sign off for this. But if they men with guns, you
do what they say. But.
I'm trying to tell you they didn't ask, they told you.
Give me your child. But you know.
And you're already quarantined. What?

(01:52:28):
What are you going to do? Who you going to complain to?
Nobody's. Listening, it's like think
about, think. About all the concessions
they've already had to make. It's been 18 months.
Right. So.
And, you know, like Holly going to a strange man's house and
staying, well, I mean, they don't know that that's what's

(01:52:50):
happening. They think she's been kidnapped
by No, I'm talking about Holly. We are talking about.
Holly. No, I'm talking about Holly
herself. You were a strange man warned.
Her about the monster coming in the monster action show up.
I understand, but it's still it's still it's still creepy.
OK, It is in the street, nothing.

(01:53:13):
And he has all your favorite things.
I know we talked about that, butI'm just saying these are some
things I just couldn't possibly.Yeah, it is creepy, but again,
this is the only person she can trust right now because even
your brother told you monsters don't exist.
Right. So yeah, so I.
But at least when she's shown the truth, the, when she's told

(01:53:34):
the truth, she, you know, she didn't do the little typical
little kid thing like, oh, no, you're, you're not telling the
truth. But this is a lie because that's
my friend. She didn't do that.
She listened and she was like, oh, OK, you're making a lot of
sense. So what do we do?
You. Know yeah, but I had noise on

(01:53:55):
there. I had, I did have that Missus
Wheeler was important. And she was, yeah, she was
important because she gave the information about, oh, I'm
sorry, she's still alive. But she was important in this
volume because she helped Mike and Nancy find out that Mister,

(01:54:18):
what's it is? Henry.
So I can check that off my list.I had it as she.
She was important. #1 double O one.
I was just like, and I will say this too, I I like that Jamie
Campbell Bauer is getting his flowers now because I have felt
for a very long time that he hasbeen very underrated as an

(01:54:40):
actor. He is phenomenal in everything
he does. So the fact that he is getting
all this love for all the the different things he's doing with
this show, I'm, I'm very happy about that.
Oh, you'll be happy. The other day he showed up at
you saw he showed up in the back.
I have, I have played every single clip.
I've shared it on my Facebook page.

(01:55:00):
I yes, I was like people are so should I have not been there?
But that would have been so amazing because you're watching
it because you're like, yeah, you know.
And then he turns around and you're like, what?
You just like, wait, what? What is that?
What? Yeah.
I would have freaked out. I would have freaked out, but

(01:55:21):
oh, OK, so upside down we got totalk about this wall of
membranes. I was like, did y'all steal this
from Game of Thrones? Because that's what it looks
like. It looks like the wall and it's
just it's growing and it's got stuff in it and.

(01:55:48):
Well, I do think it's cool they've the that Dustin worked
out that that the research lab is in the center.
That research lab, let me tell you.
Yeah, and that bacon is probablyat the research.
Level and he is protecting himself against these weirdos

(01:56:08):
who decided to put the whole military compound in my area.
It's interesting that he chose to attack the convoy 'cause I
don't think he's ever attacked the convoy.
No, no, no, no. He didn't choose so I told you
why they were on. He was on his way to the house.
They. Accident.

(01:56:29):
They crossed his path, right? Yeah, that's right.
That's right. It just happened 'cause they
were in the way like we're and they start shooting at me.
I have AI, have a mission. I was on my way over there.
But my whole thing is the whole thing with the military being in
the Upside Down, like the hubrisfor you to plant roots in this

(01:56:52):
other dimension. Did you not see General K?
Yes. She is 90% hubris.
She worse than Brenner. Brenner.
She's 90% hubris. She is, that is.
Her whole aura is hubris. Listen, I mean and I.

(01:57:13):
Liza Hamilton is amazing, but she played that character to AT
to. AT to AT you call.
Brindles bad. Yeah, I think Doctor K is going
to be way worse. And the way that she was using
like the, I don't even know whatyou want to call it is because
it's not the Demogorgon, the shadow monster, whatever that

(01:57:35):
thing was, the way that she was controlling it with the heat and
the cold and almost killing Hopper.
I was just like, this, this bitch crazy, this bitch be crazy
like. And she's just, she's talking
about it and she's talking to him.
So calm, like, Oh yeah, so we dothis and it just, you know, it

(01:57:56):
just might strangle you a littlebit, but you're just going to do
this and you're going to. She was so calm with it.
And I was like, she has familiarity with this beast.
She's been there since beginning.
She has to, she has to have beenpart of that program because

(01:58:17):
also, how would you know how to how to get Cali and to use her
powers to disable 11? You have to have some insider
knowledge. That's what I was saying.
And apparently, like, he ain't by himself.
It's always two people working together and they split off
'cause they decided something different.

(01:58:37):
She may be crazier than him. And he was like, I ain't doing
that. Yeah, because her.
You saw what he did. So Doctor Brenner was like, I, I
can't, I can't work with her. I can't.
I feel like they work together. I can't fool with her.
And how much experimentation do you think she did on the Cali to
figure out how to create that device?
A lot, Yeah, a lot. A lot.

(01:59:00):
And see, she doesn't have any ties to the kids.
Whereas Brenner, Brenner kind ofbuilt himself up in this father
image to them. He built a bond with them.
So even when he was doing the horrible things, he still had a
little bit of a personal stake. You saw that at the end with him
in 11 when he was trying to get her to forgive him because he

(01:59:22):
was like, I was just trying to help you.
I was only doing this for you, yeah, But you, you, you went
about it in a really, really shitty way.
Yeah, 'cause then I'm like, what?
Well, what really did he do wrong?
What's the joke? How long he was kids?

(01:59:43):
Sorry. The only thing I'm like, well,
maybe he did not do Henry that wrong 'cause Henry was a tad bit
dangerous. He was dangerous.
However, no one knows that part,so just going by he just was
dangerous. He had to implant.

(02:00:03):
Even going by the show, he was killing little animals.
He's dangerous. So I said do that bad with him.
He he stopped him from using hispower.
I'm saying that part. Yeah.
I just said experiment on on women in the in in while they're
pregnant and then taking their babies and telling the babies
that they're. Torturing them.

(02:00:23):
Right. I'm agreeing with you on that.
I'm just saying with Henry, he didn't do so bad trying to help
out the situation because he knew he was dangerous.
Anytime you take those kinds of measures to try to quote UN
quote help a situation you always.
Just make it worse and never fail.
Right, He was just going to be crazy so.
Yeah. But he was killing small

(02:00:45):
animals. That that doctor.
First of all, he killed his Mamafrom try to kill his and kill
his sister and then try to kill his dad, right so.
Because my whole thing was OK, if you are, if you're going by
the, the reasoning that Henry and and double O one has given
to like 11 for why he's doing the things he's doing.

(02:01:07):
He's basically he wants to quoteUN quote cleanse the world.
He wants to get rid of all the bad people because the bad
people doing the bad things are blah, blah, blah.
So I can, I can understand givenhis father's history, like what
his dad did, I can understand how from a child's point of view

(02:01:28):
like that probably didn't know that he did what he did.
Because I think the thing was that he was supposed to be, he
was supposed to be firing one onthe enemy and ended up killing
an innocent woman and her child or something like that.
I think that's what it was. That could have been an accident
if he had done it on purpose different, but that was probably

(02:01:48):
an accident. But to his child's mind, he's
not looking at it as this is an accident.
He's looking like you killed these people and you didn't take
accountability for you weren't punished for it.
You just came back and started living your life.
So I can understand how that could be something that might
have grieve him. But what did your mom do?

(02:02:09):
What did your sister do? Like your sister was just all
she was was happy about the new house skipping up and down the
stairs and playing and minding her business.
It really was his sister becauseI think he's saying about his
mom. I can't remember.
She was thinking something. I think only that she she

(02:02:31):
thought something was different about him.
Or she was taking him to the doctor.
Doctor. Brown she was.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the way that they
treated certain things back then, yeah.
He probably like, oh, OK, yeah. Oh, yeah, I I hear what you
thinking. OK, but not his sister.

(02:02:51):
She's playing with the Barbies, sleeping alone.
She's just minding her business skipping up and down the stairs,
so you know. She would have been traumatized
from what she saw. You didn't have to do nothing
else. Yeah, so.
Or maybe in his mind he maybe inhis mind he killed her so that
she wouldn't become one of thosepeople who did such and such.

(02:03:14):
Which again, presents a problem because now you are making
decisions and doing things basedon what people could do.
You know, you're not giving thema, a chance to actually grow up,
make choices, you know, make theright choice.
Because his sister could have grown up to be a great person,

(02:03:36):
but he didn't give her that chance.
But yeah, his whole thing, like what he's planning on doing with
the kids, Yeah, it, it, it comesoff very creepy.
And it's like from his point of view, again, from, from his

(02:03:57):
warped way of thinking, he's trying to fix the world and the
kids are going to be the way forhim to do it.
But do you're not you're not doing much better telling the
kids, Oh yeah, we're going to get your friends 1st and then
we're going to get your families.
How you going to do that when two of them in the hospital

(02:04:18):
because of what your things did?Like, yeah, it it's, it's just
it's not going to work out the way that he wants it to work
out. And I'm just like, especially
with with the kids that he got that whole thing with them

(02:04:39):
getting the kids into the tunneland, you know, like that whole
plan. I was just like how?
How were y'all even? Able to pull this off, but it
was actually a good plan. It was.
It was, but that until Lucas gota too little bit excited.

(02:04:59):
Well, I mean. Yeah, it was the what was it was
the leak, the leak in the Pike? Yeah.
That pretty much caused everyoneto go towards the bathroom
because if not, that was they were solid.
I mean, not with VEGNA, no, it wouldn't work with VEGNA, but
they were solid. With the military, though, that
was a good plan. And that's the other thing
because y'all didn't notice how these kids getting up, going to

(02:05:22):
the bathroom and not coming out Like who?
It was 1 teacher come on. And they're not paying me
overtime for this, so I'm it. Was more than one teacher.
I'm just joking. We were sitting in the corner
talking. I mean, but the military, the
military is supposed to be a little more diligent.
Like y'all are supposed to be protecting those kids.

(02:05:43):
Yeah, but they're supposed to betaking them on the outside.
Really. The teachers were supposed to be
monitoring and you know what? This is off hours, so I don't
know what y'all want me to monitor.
They went into the bathroom, youknow, and they're over there
with, you know, with the meditation group.
We just assumed they were going.The bathroom.

(02:06:03):
And coming back to sit with his group, yeah, we're just happy
that they were quiet over there.That group was quiet.
They were. They were, but.
But it it, it was a good, it wasa good plan.
Yeah. It just didn't matter where they
popped up. He if they could have got them a

(02:06:28):
little bit sooner, they could have been out of town.
Yeah, it was the words but and eventually got the glow up in
this season. He been taking that Ozempic.
He burned half his body away. And shot at him.
That's true. So, I mean, he's done.

(02:06:48):
But he he he has. He's looking good.
Yeah. Looking deadly, right?
Very deadly when you, you putting your fingers through
people's heads. Yeah, that was a lot.
That was a lot. I'm just saying.
Listen, I was like, you didn't even have to do all that.
You really did. But a glow up too was Mike

(02:07:11):
leading the children away from danger and making sure that they
didn't really pay attention to people being shot and killed in
front of them. And.
He's like eyes on me. Yeah, so I enjoyed that part.
Yeah. And the kids wait for me.
I'm thinking when you scream wait for me, you need to keep
up. Like, do you not see these

(02:07:32):
monsters that's going? Around and the military is
shooting and stuff. Nah I'm not a wait for you.
Keep up. Yeah, but I mean, and all of
them were, all of them were, were doing great.
You know, Robin Murray and Joycehad some of the kids because,
you know, they all got separatedonce they got caught.
Lucas had a couple of the kids. Now, unfortunately, Vecna has

(02:07:54):
all the children now, but he doesn't have his Demogorgons, or
at least he doesn't have, you know, those three.
I don't know how many he has now, but it's again, it's just
kind of interesting. It's very weird to me that the
military has that outpost in theUpside Down and the Demogorgans

(02:08:18):
have been silent up until now. That's that seems very weird to
me but. Victor has Victor has a long
term goal like he had they've they've basically done
everything he needed them to do.He needed them to to sense of
threat and put all the kids in one place.

(02:08:40):
Yeah, yeah, they. They, they kind of missed, well,
they, the kids kind of missed their form because they kind of
spread some of them out. But he was able to recover.
But they did exactly what he needed them to do.
And then he was done because he sent them back to kill Robin,

(02:09:03):
Lucas and Mike. Like I'm tired of these
children. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm in the Indigo right now.
The whole disrespectful thing about it was he sent the
Demogorgans to kill them. He had Will in his grasp and he
just basically was like, you started all of this because you

(02:09:23):
showed me the children are weak and I can control them.
So thank you for that and just left him there.
Why but do? You still say we, we I still got
use for you or something. But you know, to him will.
Will is not the threat, though. Right, he can he's going to use
will when he wants to use Will. So that's why he's not going to

(02:09:46):
kill. He you're not going to kill your
pet, your little child, you're not going to kill.
But he backed burn, but that wastold it was.
It was told disrespect, like youjust picked him up, talked to
him and just like I'm done. Yeah, just.
Basically and. Walk the dog and you showed me
that children are weak and yeah.I've been using you this whole

(02:10:08):
entire time. Thank you I.
Was like, that was so disrespectful.
And I know Will was probably like, you know what?
I've been holding the back of myhand, the back of my head for
the last four years for nothing.Yeah, I was so peaceful in
California to come back to this shit.
Right. But, but I mean, if he had

(02:10:28):
stayed in California and all this stuff would have happened,
he would have felt guilty. Yeah, but yeah.
He would not reach his true potential.
Nope. And that sure, that potential
boy changed his whole tired look.
I was like, that's why we're looking good.
Very confident, right looking, looking strong like.

(02:10:52):
That that haircut was different because it was all wet and WAVY.
And when he did this, I was like, oh.
Will and the look on his face I was like oh excuse me OK so I
said volume to don't have him looking like no victim again.
Please no, I'm looking strong. I think this was this was Will's

(02:11:13):
Lucas and Mike glow up. This was his.
You'd better lay your hands off dust and oh, you're the mouth
breather. This was his.
Moment for that. So now, now it's just Dustin's
turn. But Dustin, let me tell you,
when Dustin took that damn drillto Steve's car, I was like, OK,

(02:11:34):
this is when Dustin going back. This is when Dustin's going to
die. But yeah, I mean, now it's
Dustin is literally the only onewho needs to have his his his
glow up moment. Yeah, you know, he's and and it

(02:11:55):
could be that. OK.
Hey, you got to do this for Eddie.
You got to do this to make sure that, you know, the truth about
Eddie comes out so that he can rest in peace, so you can have
your peace, blah, blah, blah. OK.
I needed to come in the second volume because kind of like what
Lucas said to Max's at, you know, at Max's bedside, we all

(02:12:17):
have to be together in order to get this done.
So Dustin got to get on it. He got to get that glove up, and
I'm going to need Max to get out, which I know one of the
episodes for Volume 2 is Escape,Escape from Camazot.
So somebody's coming out. I don't know if it's going to be
her or Holly. I'm hoping that it's Max.

(02:12:40):
I'm hoping that it's Max too. I'm hoping that it's Max Holly
may end up getting left behind because she may be the one to
convince the other kids that heythis is what we need to do, you
need to come here. Like she may be able to rescue
the other kids like Max rescued her and then they able to give

(02:13:02):
Beck the hell. I mean all I got to say is the
second episode is on. Holly is just having just an
awesome time at the Playhouse here.
This is creepy. This cuz it be a creeper and she
over here baking cakes. She's 9, dancing.
We're we're looking at this fromgrown up I.

(02:13:23):
I know and back in the day with everything was innocent.
You are absolutely right. You know, you go with the
stranger, you exploring their house and you find, you know,
things made out of skin. See, you don't do that.
You snooping in things you just you don't.
She has dresses. She made her some chocolate
cake. Watching television, I mean.

(02:13:46):
It's it's interesting you sayingsomething about her helping the
other kids because her D&D character that that Mike has for
her. Holly the heroic makes portals.
So maybe that you might be on the something there.
Yeah, like, kind of like what Michelle says.

(02:14:07):
They don't tell us certain details without it, you know,
being important later on. So I don't know, maybe that has
to do with that whole wormhole thing too.
I don't know. I don't know.
And especially since she's reading a wrinkle in TIE and all
of that is about making portals and saving kids and saving

(02:14:32):
universe so. Yeah.
Yeah, it makes me want to go back and watch the movie.
I'm not reading the book but can't.
Book The book is. I meant by Christmas Day.
Seriously, I can watch the moviemaybe by Christmas Day, but not
read the book by Christmas Day. It's probably.
That big it's. Not that big.
OK again. You, you know.

(02:14:55):
What, you watch the movie while I'm like you?
Have to read the whole. Working in yeah I I'm trying to
get something in to assist in watching volume to gotcha.
I don't have time. For that look, I'm like you feel
like that, then you'll. Read it and tell me what?
Happened. I've read I was just, I was
like, I might need to go to Goodwill and see if I can find a

(02:15:17):
copy I. Read it.
I'm not reading it again. I don't even.
I may have read an elementary school, I don't even remember.
I didn't, but I saw the movie OK.
I know I didn't see the movie sobut yeah.
But we got 3 episodes coming on Christmas Day at 8:00 eight.

(02:15:45):
O'clock. And then the finale is on New
Year's Eve, also at 8:00, It's called The Right Side Up.
That one is actually 2 hours and5 minutes.
And we are going to see that in the movie theater.
And I'm excited, but I'm also sad because that means it'll be

(02:16:06):
over. Like we're starting 2026 with No
Stranger Things. Period now.
But I'm OK with that because it's over and then I have
something I can watch from beginning to end.
Yeah. And it's I mean.
You have books. And and it and, but it's also
complete because they, the Duffel brothers, care about this

(02:16:27):
and they put in the work and it's complete.
Yeah, and sometimes you can't say that for a lot of things.
That's true. I'm hoping we don't have a Game
of Thrones situation. I don't think so.
Because they're staying true to what they feel the story should
be and not because it needs to end or it's too much money and
this and this and this from HBO.So because it's not HBO, so this

(02:16:51):
is theirs. It's not like they're waiting
for an author to finish what they're, you know, this is a,
this is something where they hadto, because I've been watching
their interviews where when theyfirst went to Netflix, they had
to explain what the upside down was, but they couldn't give it
away. But they had like 15 pages of

(02:17:12):
information just so that they can be aware.
So you, you, you really thought about this.
Yes, you may have thought that they thought they wanted many
seasons, but they wasn't sure about season.
It'll be season 1. I know people are like, well,
you know nothing about VEGNA, but they knew about the big bad,

(02:17:33):
which we don't. We don't, you know, until next
week. Yeah, I was going to say VEGNA
is not the big bad. Right.
So we can say he was, he was a part of the story.
But, you know, and there's some things that they're closing up,
like they bought, they're bringing Cali back.
They want to close that up. They going to tell us who opened

(02:17:53):
that door when Will was being chased?
Yeah. Yeah.
So that's that's what I would like.
Give me some clothes. You give me a good wrap it up in
a nice, pretty neat little bowl.'Cause I know this can't go on
like they are adults. And if it does go on, how sad is

(02:18:17):
that for their life that they'retotally in the trauma response,
like they haven't had a rest time.
So once this is over, maybe, youknow, people be dead, but they
can get they can stop. It's over.
They're not waiting for something else to keep happening
to them. Yeah, unless we get something 10

(02:18:37):
years down the road where it starts affecting their children.
Well, that would be a quite great story.
But her Nancy was gonna might get a spin off.
Her spin off is a book. OK, Yeah.
That, you know, they have. They have Stranger Things novels
and there's a Nancy novel comingout sometime early next year.

(02:18:59):
So yeah. But you know how the media, they
spend things and it's like, oh, she's got a spin off.
I was like, they're not doing a show.
They're not. Yeah, no, it's a book.
Yeah, because I think they do. They're doing something.
They're doing something else. Yeah.
But is there anything else in volume one that we did not touch

(02:19:20):
on? I mean, there was a, there was a
lot that happened. Well, I I just wanted to mention
Popper and Elle's assault on thebase, which I thought was kind
of cool. Yeah.
She told him she could do it, and she did.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, he knew she could do

(02:19:42):
it, but he was trying to protect.
Her timing was off a little bit,but you know, you just never
know until you there you got to be put in the situation.
Yeah, flying over, you know, thebus and stuff like that and.
And doing pumpkin heads is not the real thing, but I mean but.
He because he saw you can see, you see her potential.
Yeah, you can. But he that last run, he told

(02:20:04):
Joyce, Joyce was like, did she clear it?
And he was like with a second tospare.
So he knew it. But he's been he's trying to
protect her because he doesn't want to lose her.
Right. No, I mean, when she did it, he
was saying, Oh my gosh, no, no, your time's off.
Your time's off. And it was.
And she was like, oh, shoot, when she I missed, she was like,
oh shit, I missed. But she recovered quickly.

(02:20:27):
Yeah, but. Yeah.
So and the and the revelation that it was Cali, I thought that
was kind of. Cool, yeah.
Yeah, that was. Pretty good.
And you know, and it's cute thatRobin and Vicki are together.
It's cute. But this ain't gonna work 'cause
you want to tell Vicki what's happening because you keep

(02:20:48):
cancelling on Vicki and Vicki look like she getting a little
tired. She getting a little tired.
Just a little. Yeah, 'cause you you trying to
take her the end zone, 'cause you know you have made fucked
up, right. So this is.
Not going to work. None of y'all Nancy and Jonathan
are different because both of them are in it.

(02:21:08):
But if you don't need to be dating nobody who has no
knowledge of this because, one, because you're going to have to
be lying to them, and then two, you could possibly be putting
them in in danger that they don't necessarily need to be in,
especially if they are ignorant of what's going on.

(02:21:31):
That's just not fair, You know? So it's cute.
I'm glad she found, you know, she got her crush.
But yeah, that is something. Look, Vicki might die.
That part so it. Will suck for Robin, but did she

(02:21:54):
at least? She had a little love before,
you know. Yeah.
It went away. Yeah, but you?
You don't need to be in a relationship when you are trying
to find the thing that is tryingto end the world.
Right. Well, I really did enjoy volume
one. I've watched it twice.

(02:22:16):
It flows really well. So it's not one of those things
where I can say, OK, this happened in episode 1234.
I mean, clearly we know what happened in four.
Yeah, yeah. I mean the big.
However, but it it just seems like it's it's a great like flow

(02:22:37):
from one to the other. I really actually probably liked
episode 2 the the trap. I really did.
Episode 2 was. Good.
Yeah, I really like them workingtogether.
Yeah, and stuff. Episode 2 was like old school
Stranger Things. Yes, it was, yeah.

(02:22:59):
But I think I think 4 was my favorite because of Will.
Oh yeah, 4/4. I mean, I like to.
Because I was. Just like finally, but I love to
4. It's just the 20 minutes.
No, it's more than it's more than 20 minutes.

(02:23:20):
It's it's all it starts when Derek the meditator was getting
those kids in that bathroom and then when everything went to
hell. It's like I I like that, but I
liked everything. I'm just saying those are the
just the the parts like I enjoy like Mike being physical in

(02:23:43):
episode 2, like he did good. Yeah.
And I'm always great when Nancy has a gun, any type of gun.
Anytime, yeah, anytime Nancy is in her Take charge money, yes.
Also, I I liked finding out whathappened to Max.
I like having that that kind of because I was really worried

(02:24:05):
about that was like, I don't want her to just spend the
entire time just in the bed. You just got something to do.
So. Yeah.
So it was cool, you know, seeingwhere she woke up to and where
she's, you know, landed. Make her home in The Cave.
Yeah. And stuff.
Now I I need the Henry Creel back story because again, I

(02:24:25):
don't know anything about the first shadow.
I've purpose. I purposefully have kept away
from it because I was like, I don't want to know anything just
in case it has something to do with season 5.
And then I'll probably go and and read some information on it.
I really want to see it. But you know, I, I just I.

(02:24:49):
Don't. Yeah.
And it's different here in the States than it is overseas too,
because we watched a video wherethey talked about the, I
watched, they talked about the differences and stuff.
So it didn't. It makes it seems like that we
have a short attention span also.
We stupid. We stupid.

(02:25:13):
That's not what she said, she said.
I'm gonna go with we. Have That's why they made the
changes, because we're stupid over here.
Yeah. No, I just, I think, I think
over here we also view theater alot different than they do over
there. So, but you know.
No, it, it's literally stuff that has nothing to do with

(02:25:34):
theater. It's just like, 'cause we, we,
we got to dumb things down to take it, but that's just, that's
OK. It's all right.
We'll get better one day. Probably not, but we will.
It ain't gonna be before Episode8, so.
Or. No, it won't be.

(02:25:56):
So again, we have the three episodes for volume to coming up
in a couple of days. So we will continue recording
Stranger Things by volume because we just see, especially
with this being the holidays, trying to do it episode by
episode was just not working. I mean, we rescheduled trying to

(02:26:17):
do episode 1, I think 6 times total.
And it was just like, OK, you know what, at this point, we
will never get it done. So we will do Volume 2.
And then again, we will be spending our New Year's Eve at
the movie theaters watching it. Maybe we'll do a live reaction

(02:26:37):
afterwards. That that would be great.
That would be fun. Yeah.
We, I mean, we may have to do. I'm sure Michelle and I are
going to be ugly crying. We're going to have tea.
Right. And I'm going to be like, can't
see a thing too and see when I sit that close to a screen, but
I'm there for it. I'll fear it out.

(02:26:58):
Yeah, because it's a small theater and those things were
going quick. And what made me mad was that
after I purchased my $500 worth of tickets, everyone, the app
kept crashing and I kept thinking I didn't purchase
tickets. And then I did.
And then I had Anthony over herepurchasing tickets and then all

(02:27:18):
of a sudden I'm getting confirmation you have bought
tickets. What?
They opened up a big theater. I was like, why you just didn't
do that beforehand? I'm confused about that.
But it's also an hour later, which means that, yeah, they,
they probably, they will have anhour of some kind of spoilers
before. No, they won't 'cause we would

(02:27:39):
be sitting up in that movie likethis.
They put your damn phone down. You know, everybody put your
phone down, don't say a word. Yeah, OK, it started.
We're going to go, we're going to be one of the first people to
see it. That'll be great.
And then like, like Anthony said, we may do a live reaction
video, we may talk about some stuff, and then Stranger Things

(02:28:01):
will be over. Yeah, and they'll be New Year's.
Yeah, Look, I'd be like, yeah, we don't answer 2026.
Stressed and distraught. I just go into bed.
I know because like. What can help?
Everybody, I'm good. I need to.
I need a moment. Yeah, I think that's going to be

(02:28:23):
me, too. So.
Right. I like Michelle.
You OK? No, I'm not OK.
I'm just going to be in the bed.I don't think we're going to be
OK, but it's going to be OK. So.
But until then, we hope everyonehas a Merry Christmas and that

(02:28:44):
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