June 23, 2025 • 59 mins
Buckle up, Gleeks—it’s the 100th episode, which means Glee is throwing everything at the wall to see what sings. Sticks! To see what sticks. This is a no-pun zone (allegedly). We’ve got a chaotic double-feature recap for you because everyone showed up for this one and we talked too long, so you’re getting Part 1 and Part 2. The algorithm says no one wants 2.5-hour episodes 🤷♀️.
In Part 1 of this very special (read: unhinged) 100th episode, New Directions is being shut down for real this time (no, seriously—for real), and suddenly everyone who graduated three years ago but never emotionally left is back in the choir room. Quinn’s here, Puck’s lurking, Mercedes is glowing, and Santana is serving full sass-per-minute per SAG-AFTRA guidelines.
💥 Plot? Technically, yes:
Sue’s destroying the glee club because she hates joy. Or music. Or teenagers. It’s unclear.
Will is spiraling but trying to disguise it as leadership.
Everyone’s singing songs we’ve already heard, now with 50% more nostalgia filters and wistful glances. (Spoiler: the OG versions were better.)
Rachel wants to rewrite history (again), Mercedes isn’t having it (again), and a sing-off happens that is somehow both unnecessary and essential to our healing.
Puck and Quinn have tension—the kind that says “we’ve made questionable choices before and might again”—and everyone agrees to just look the other way.
🎭 In short: Everyone is reflecting on how far they’ve come by pretending they never left. It’s self-indulgent, over-the-top, and completely on brand.
The glee club is dying but not quietly. And neither are we.
Stay tuned for Part 2, where we just keep talking.
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(00:00):
Hi, this is Emily from Phantom on the Rocks.
We got a little away with ourselves recording this episode
of Glee on the Rocks 512, and that is because it's the 100th
episode. So we had to break it up into
two parts so that you weren't stuck listening to us for 97
hours straight. So there is going to be a Part 1
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and a Part 2. You are currently going to be
listening to Part 1 and then hopefully you will stick around
for Part 2 so that you won't miss anything on Glee.
She's not beating the allegations that she writes
Warblers fan fiction. You're listening to Glee on the
(00:53):
Rocks. Well, welcome back to Glee on
the Rocks, a Phantom on the Rocks podcast.
I'm Emily. I'm Mandy.
I'm Dee. I'm Adriana.
And I'm Allison. And all five of us are here at
the same time, finally. We literally scheduled this a
month in advance. Not gonna explain.
(01:13):
All of the goings on that just happened trying to get this
recording started. Literally 40 minutes of it.
But we're here, and we're together. 3 generations of
fandom on the rocks in one place.
Tell tell us why all all three generations of podcasters are
together today. Well, it's a very special
episode of Glee. It's the 100th episode, yeah.
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Appropriately titled 100. 1100, which you know for them means
syndication, if that were still a thing that happened.
It's a, it's a thing that happens in their contract.
They're, you know, as a, as a Fox Show.
They are on a basic contract anda basic television contract,
which means that their residualsare are are baked right into the
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text. Do you know what's?
Interesting not to completely derail like talking about the
plot of Glee. Do you ever see reruns of Glee
on TV? Literally never.
Can you imagine that we're just playing at like 5:00 PM every
day when kids got home from school?
But like, I see reruns of 911 and that's an actively running
show. Yeah, that was pretty normal
though that and that that also requires you to have like a
(02:20):
cable subscription. Yeah.
Billy did get syndicated I thinkon like oxygen y'all remember?
That. I don't know what I would do if
I was just, like, flipping through channels and Will
Shuster just appeared on my television.
Like I don't think I'd be OK you.
Know. What's crazy too is, well, first
of all, a jail, jail stop. What's crazy too is so a couple
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of weeks ago I saw this ad on Facebook and the fact that, you
know, that would have been incomprehensible 10 years ago is
insane. But I saw this ad on Facebook
and it was ABC advertising the season 2 finale of Only Murders
in the Building airing on ABC. And I was like, first of all,
this is a Hulu original. Secondly, they finished their
(03:08):
fourth season on Hulu like 6 months ago.
So ABC, which is the actual TV channel is boasting about the
season 2 finale which came out two years ago.
So I would not be so like now streaming originals are getting
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syndication they. Are yeah, I saw, I caught it.
I caught Only Murders on like, Idon't know, after Jeopardy.
And I was like, but this is likeseason 1.
They're just airing it as if it's brand new.
That's because Disney, Hulu of ABC, whatever is one of
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America's five companies, so. But I would not be surprised now
if like all of these older showsthat were like Fox shows that
are now under the Disney umbrella would eventually get
back to syndication on one of their 25 different channels that
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are just children to ABC, which is Disney and like.
The shitty thing about it is that all of these shows that,
and again, my union knowledge ofcontracts is old at this point.
It's many negotiations old at this point.
But to the best of my knowledge,like the streaming contract
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programs that were developed andfilmed under streaming have a
different contract because they don't do Nielsen ratings.
They don't have viewership numbers, They don't have that
kind of system. So they can't really get
syndicated. It doesn't work that way.
And so like if only murderers was filmed on Hulu, they were
filmed under a new media contract.
(04:50):
And now that they're getting picked up and syndicated by ABC,
they don't have any of the same protections or like benefits
necessarily of being a program that was filmed on on a network
contract, which just like grindsmy gears in a very particular
way. And like, none of the principals
on that show need the rerun money, but all of the like
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ensemble cast probably does. Oh for sure.
Anybody who's getting 12 cent checks needs those 12 cent
checks like Let it ride. They're important.
It's the only reason a lot of people qualify for Healthcare is
because their their residual checks put them over the earning
limit. It does, yeah.
(05:36):
So it's it just drives me crazy,It grinds my gears and I hate
it. Support your unions.
And that's the end of the episode.
Support your. Unions goodbye.
Goodbye I. Guess we have to go back to the
actual plot which does occur. There is something of a plot in
this episode. The Glee club is still
cancelled. Somehow we have to begin this
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episode with Rachel coming back to McKinley because it's always
about her. OK, but.
Shoot To her credit, Rachel and Mercedes start this episode in a
very like old school Glee fashion.
It Yeah, yes, this is a tribute to the show itself.
And I did love it. Yeah.
(06:19):
Yeah, but starting with Rachel narration.
I literally wrote down we're starting with Rachel narration
of. Course we.
Are it's great. It's.
Like I was also like, they're still feuding, Yeah.
That was my thing. I I wrote the fabricated
rivalry, right? It's fully fabricated.
(06:40):
These two people have not been in a room together in almost a
year in Showtime. Like they don't.
I wish they had moved on. Regular people would.
Real human people would have moved on.
Yeah. Real human people wouldn't be
one year out of high school withone of them having a recording
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contract and one on Broadway there.
Yeah. Right, I can't just why women be
successful. It would have made more sense to
have Santana feuding with literally anyone.
I mean, she does. We just have to get there.
Yeah, but like to. Open it with Santana.
That would have been like, Oh yeah, OK.
Well, of course she has beef with everyone.
Yeah, 'cause Santana has beef with everyone like.
(07:22):
Deservedly so. The original beef is actually
Rachel and Mercedes against McKinley the school 'cause
they're like, where's my confetti?
Where's my banner? Right, You're literally you
graduated 5 minutes ago. Like you're a child, it's fine.
Wanted one of them to get slushied the way.
But. That would have been a good call
back. What a surprise that there
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actually were 0 slushies. Correct.
Like the whole thing was a love letter to the first, like many
seasons of Glee. Like that beef intro should have
been both of them storming down the hallway and then like out of
nowhere they come to face each other and then boom slushy.
Especially because has done a slushy since like they won
nationals and did like the confetti slushies.
(08:03):
It was like the symbolic end of like them being slushied or.
Whatever, now they're like. So I feel like I remember
somebody at the beginning of season 4, like one of the
newbies getting slushied. And then of course, Tina in the
sky with diamonds. Tina gets.
Oh, the ultimate slushy. You're right.
The ultimate Carrie slushied. Fucking.
Rough. I just.
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Like the way they care so much about high school.
Right. I rather.
Graduated. No one cares that you came back.
Also none of these kids are peaking in high school.
That's for like people who were like on the football team and
like head cheerleader and shit and didn't get pregnant and have
a baby. Like none of these people peaked
in high school. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, maybe Quinn. She did.
(08:44):
Get pregnant. I was going to say.
I was going to say puppy twin. They they, yeah.
But it's funny because they portrayed them too specifically
as like transcending high schoolin this in this episode.
So that's so true. I really forgot how much of this
episode was about people that are not in the rest of the show
ever. Yeah.
(09:06):
It was a little, it was a littlejump scare to be like, oh, so
we're going back to all the casting characters that I love
and care about, who you've developed with storylines and
plot devices and personalities. Oh, and now you're going to send
them away again. Yes, it was very farewell vibes,
very much. Like, oh, you're never going to
see these people again. Never.
(09:28):
Yeah, I guess before we get to the choir room, there is a line
about Rachel saying that she is the biggest Broadway star the
school has ever produced, and then we're going to run into
April roads. So it's just patent we.
Well, on a technicality, becauselike, technically April Rhodes
did go to the school, but she didn't graduate.
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And technically, I forgot about Rachel hasn't been on Broadway
yet. Technically.
She's still in rehearsals. Battle of the technicalities so.
Like fuck out, Rachel. I beg Rachel every day that I
think about her, which is increasingly less and less, to
(10:12):
like, get off her high horse. One day which circles I mean.
When she's dead. It'll be the end of the episode.
But when they do define gravity and they vote and it's a tie
between Rachel and Mercedes likeKurt was in the song too.
Assholes. We'll get there.
Yeah, no, yeah. No mention.
No mention of Kurt. No.
Mention I noticed I was pissed. I was there.
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It was rare. And no one hitting that high
note. Not one person.
That was the, that was the part of that.
We'll get, we'll get there, we'll get there.
Like they, they spend like 20 minutes circling around like, oh
man, that high note at the end. And then the arrangement is that
no one has to hit any high note at all.
Like what are you? What are you doing?
What are you doing to me? Why I don't?
(10:54):
Even like the song, I was like, no one's gonna do it.
Great cool. You've done this now four times.
OK, cool. Thanks.
So many times. OK, anyway, the choir room.
Everyone has to praise Rachel. Rachel and Mercedes fight over
the Rachel chair. I didn't actually know there was
a Rachel chair in the choir room.
They see it as this like status symbol and they both rush
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towards it. Rachel sits down 1st and then
Mercedes like puts her little like she puts her outfit to
rights and then she says she's. Going to the back of the bus.
I actually really like that linethough that.
Was the way. I just wanted Mercedes to just
sit on Rachel, on her, to be like, get out of my chair.
That's what should have happened.
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Yes. Also, why is Mercedes dressing
like she's 45 years old? I don't like that.
The little people. She's like, she weighs more than
115 lbs and they don't know how to dress her.
It's not fair. It's not, she looks.
It's 2014 and that's what. I guess Rachel was kind of
conservatively dressed this episode, too.
We're going back to high school,so it's like we gotta.
(11:55):
Rain. Everyone was conservatively
dressed. Yeah, I.
Think the wardrobe. Wardrobe really just wanted to
make it seem like they were older and there had been more
separate. Yeah, like these are adults.
They weren't born the same calendar year as some of the
other students in the last. Room, Yeah.
We're the alumni like you're ourfriends.
We saw you 6 weeks ago. Yeah, literally.
(12:18):
Literally. So stupid.
Do you want to go by storyline or do you want to go by like
chronological order in the episode?
I first want someone to explain to me what Mr. Shuster means by
100 lessons in the timeline of Glee I.
Mean nothing. It's a lie.
(12:38):
He wrote 100 things on the board.
Not even. Probably not.
Though he says there's been 100 lessons and then the Wikipedia,
the Glee, Apedia, whatever the fuck is like, actually there's
74 lessons. Like, oh.
Where did you get that number from?
You can't have her possibly be true.
Just like the number of times heactually remembered he was a
(12:59):
teacher in the run of that show.Is Glee club not a daily
occurrence? Because if there's five days in
the school week and you divide that, there's 20 weeks that
they've been in Glee club, That can't be right.
Or and then also. Maybe.
It's like so does a week. It's like it's a, it's a one
week, you know, they they meet up all the time because they're
(13:21):
like friends and that's what they do when they hang out and
whatever. But that like the official Glee
club block is only once a week maybe.
And if you know. It's one lesson a week.
And then one lesson a week. Yeah.
So the school week is what, 35 weeks?
32 weeks. I don't know how time works in
Ohio. 4/9. Yeah. 37 But then you also, you
(13:42):
also have to divide up like OK, how much of it was actually
lessons? How much of it was like
railroaded by drama? How much of it was like practice
for? Apparently the the Glee pedia
says 74, so we'll shoot. She said 74.
And, and, and regardless of whatthey said, that was not a line
for the students. That was a line for the
audience, yes. Right, that's true.
(14:02):
It was bad math via plot device.Well, he couldn't say 100
episodes, so you gotta. Do something 'cause that would
be a little too bad important. This must be important.
It's the name of the episode. Like aha, OK, it's the.
Name of the episode? It's like that kind of shit
irritates me. Like, this can't, can't possibly
be true. So the, OK, I guess our main
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storyline is that the alums havecome back.
Some of them, not all of them, have come back to celebrate the
fact that the Glee club is ending and they want to sing
together one last time, but they're going to perform a song
they already did, but reinvented.
Not really reinvented, because none of these songs are
(14:44):
completely reinvented. No.
Some of them are sang by the exact same people.
Yeah, literally. That's like not even half assing
it. No 1/4.
It's a different set. Yeah, not even actually.
Right. Some of the same choreography a.
100% like they just did the samelittle moves in the background.
(15:06):
Like OK the wiki says do you remember this happening?
Because I don't remember this happening.
But the song selection was votedon by fans through a poll.
Don't. Remember that, maybe?
On Twitter. The fans?
No, it was a rap article. Fans got to choose from 30
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classic Glee performances and then ten of them would be in the
episode. But only 8 songs were released
and seven of them were in the episode.
Well, maybe, maybe the 10 was like between both episodes
'cause they did do like the slower loser like me and the.
Oh yeah. In the next episode, right?
(15:50):
And then probably like another one that I can't remember.
I'm hoping it not that I need a fourth version of Don't Stop
Believing, but it would seem really weird like for the plot
to not do that song at the end. Of I think they do that one at
the end of the other one. At the end of the next one,
yeah. Makes sense?
Dog Days Are Over was supposed to be one of the songs sung by
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Holly Holiday. Oh thank God we didn't get that.
Yeah. No, thank you.
But she did Happy instead 'causeshe doesn't have to do a rewind
song, she gets to do her own jam.
I got it. I was wondering how in the logic
of the episode they were redoinga song but like they start by
redoing A warbler song. That yes, thank you, Blaine for
(16:33):
calling it out. Yeah.
So what April Rhodes was at thatcompetition?
How does she know? Yeah, because.
She came on YouTube. She's she's fucking clairvoyant
because she literally says oh the warblers did this.
No wonder it didn't sound annoying in my head.
Every time I like. Yeah.
I'm sure they talked about it inthe Facebook group they're all
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in. Yes.
Cooper. Yes, Cooper, because Cooper.
Would Cooper have been at Warblers Regionals in 2011?
No, but Blaine recorded it and sent it to his brother.
Yeah, there are a lot of YouTubevideos of like show choir
performances through the years. That is true.
My, my, my thoughts are, you know, the show car forums and
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all that. Like there's just like Warbler
recordings. Yeah, absolutely.
Surely there's like a Warblers fandom within the show choir
community. The same way that there was a
Wiffen Poops fandom. Right.
Absolutely. Apparently, April Rhodes is #1.
Yeah, she just doesn't know thatit's the.
She definitely bought the Warbler sweater from Forever 21.
(17:38):
I mean. Oh, I'm sorry, was.
That too deep fucking. Cut.
Wait, did anyone here have it? I know someone in fandom who
did, but I didn't. Matt had it.
Yeah, I was going to say it. I feel like I know people who
had it. Yeah, I didn't have it, but I
knew people who had it. Yeah.
OK. So for each of these versions,
we need to decide if the new one's better or the old one's
(18:00):
better. So if he wears your glass.
(18:34):
Is the new one better? The old one.
No, it's. The old one, the old one.
'S way better. The old one is so the old one is
so much better that they recreated the old one's
choreography. It did, it was.
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that the Warblers
can do no wrong 'cause they do do some wrong.
There's some Warblers songs thatI'm not a not.
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I don't like candles. Was it for me?
That wasn't messed up. You're right, it was.
Just but you. Can't be mad at it because it
got Curd and Blaine together. It's true, it did.
But it's it got them together and they never spoke again.
But yeah, no, of course the of course the original Warbler 1 is
better. This one was.
I, I, I tuned it out. It was not for me.
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It seemed like a reference to Red Solo Cup a little bit too.
It did. They kept like with the
champagne flutes. They were like.
I think I would have much ratherseen them do Red Solo Cup.
Yeah. That is a fandom favorite for
me. It would have been a good lead
on that 1 I think. My God, yes.
OK, not to say anything negativeabout Kristin Chenoweth.
(19:38):
But. She doesn't meld into a group
song. No.
No, it's true. And like.
Stands out. She stands out.
So with Raise Your Glass, the original is like a group and
it's just her above everybody else doing it.
And I was like, it's not the vibe of the song.
No. Yeah, it got into Kidz Bop
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territory a little bit. It did.
There we go. It was.
Too close to that, yeah. You're very right.
So negative on this one. I do love how she's just
flirting with Blaine the entire time.
Well, obviously somebody has to because his fiance wasn't.
I It's one of those episodes when they're on opposite sides
of the room, like the whole time.
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Why? Middle name Hummel.
They weren't Elizabeth. They were sitting.
Like. Two choir chairs 6 feet apart,
no homo in the hot tub. What the fuck?
What the fuck? It's very much homo, gentlemen.
Yeah, Oh, no, not to worry. April Rhodes gives them their
wedding present, which is just two flasks to, what is it, Dole,
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their wedding night sodomy and the impending divorce.
It was horrifying. Horrifying.
Do that to them. Like not only should you just
not be doing that to anybody at all across the board, do not do
that to like high school, barelygraduated college children.
Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
I mean, she's not beating the allegations that she writes
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Warbler's fan fiction. She's not.
In her sweater. A tube of Lube would have been
better in the situation. Jesus Christ.
Is that it would have been just as off putting.
But like supplying? Alcohol to minors, but.
Like stop. But she's been doing that.
(21:27):
I know I'm like, you're gonna get arrested.
It was funny in Season 1, it's not as funny in Season 5.
No, right, Right. I feel like her character did
feel too overblown for, like, everybody else.
Maybe not everybody. Several of the other characters
had some significant character development in this episode.
Yeah. And she was still, like, such a
(21:49):
caricature. I wasn't really.
Like I love Kristen Chenoweth but never liked it trope the the
trope word for the character It's it's the opposite of the
wubafication where a character'straits just keep like ramping
into. Absurdity.
I don't know. They do that a lot though,
(22:09):
especially with like the dumb character, yeah or whatever and
everything I feel like. There's a word for that and I
just can't think of it. I'll think of it tomorrow when
we're not talking. Perfect.
Drop out the show notes. It'll be really useful.
OK, well, do we want to, do we have to talk about Puck and
Quinn's storyline? Like do we want to move into
(22:30):
that and keep with them throughout the the?
Episode I I mean, if anything else, Adriana and I can talk
about it and the rest of you cango like not talking about
getting Drake cook us up a Drakego to the bathroom goat might
be. Juice.
I mean, I will say I have some cred there because the first
Glee thick I ever wrote was in season 1 and it was Puck and
(22:52):
Quinn. Like before.
Blaine, like before Blaine existed.
I I I wrote a puck and Quinn Thick.
And like, don't get me wrong, I am.
I'm faberry for life like. And this episode did provide me
with some Rachel and Quinn. It did, but I like Puck and
Quinn. I always kind of did.
(23:13):
It's not. Puck's fault, his actor is
garbage. Yes, yes.
It just doesn't help. Yeah, the.
Character was also garbage. Character was also garbage in
his own vibe. Like, but he grew one season
ago. Just one season ago.
Just one season ago, though, he was hooking up with Kitty around
(23:35):
this time and then. He.
Stopped hooking up with a sophomore and then like I so I
also wrote this down because OK so I said didn't puck like join
whatever army organization this is like weeks ago because if
we're like I know the time dilation, especially within this
(23:58):
season is like so so so bad. But generously, we can say that
it's been two months between regionals and nationals, and
this episode is taking place right after nationals, which at
most would make it 3 months between Puck leaving, crashing
(24:24):
with Finn at like Lima University or whatever and
joining whatever organization this is and then being in full
uniform. Wasn't there generously
generously 3 months? Basic training is at the minimum
9 weeks. I, I have I have like a, a
crackpot theory for this, which occurred to me while I was just
(24:48):
like looking up stuff about the episode because apparently if
you look in like the trivia likegoof section, he's wearing the
ranking of a full officer. I'm like he, he, he dropped out.
He just stole that. He showed up in someone's.
Uniform. He showed up.
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
It's the Air Force too, Yeah, it's an Air Force.
He just showed up in an Air Force officer's uniform and he
was like, no one is gonna know the difference.
(25:09):
It'll impress me. Yeah, it'll impress her.
It's fine. Like, wasn't there a big, like a
canonical time jump between Finn's death and like, something
else? Wasn't there like a big.
Between the between the between the death and it must have been
the the memorial. Yeah.
(25:30):
And then between the memorial and the rest.
Of the season and the rest of the season.
I don't know how how that affects your timeline, but no,
no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying Puckerman is a good dude.
He is not a good dude. He is better than he used to be.
So you know what? He's not good enough.
I forgot that Chase Crawford wasin this.
(25:52):
Yes. That's his name.
I'm like, I've launched in the episode.
I'm like, Oh my God, it's GossipGirl.
I was. Like, Oh my God, it's.
Nate. It is.
It's Nate. It's Nate.
'Cause he's playing the same character.
Same guy. Same fucking guy.
They had to make him that bad sothat puck looked pretty good,
like they had to make him the worst ever.
And also because Chase Crawford just looks like that.
(26:15):
He does. Punchable.
Yeah. He's got a very punchable face.
My only my only addition to thisis that I have met Chase
Crawford and he's kind of nice. Good.
Oh, that's good. I feel like you gotta be really
nice to play mean, yeah. Yeah.
Like, unless you're. Unless you're.
Michelle, like Michelle, I know.That's what you're saying.
(26:36):
Yeah, it was a a, a movie that we did in New York and it was
pretty professional and pretty nice.
I love that he's a nice person. Shout out shit.
Movie but like. I think Nate from Gossip Girl
and Biff from Glee are both assholes.
Yes, so. You're not incorrect, but I
(26:57):
think I also think when this wasairing, I I was watching Gossip
Girl for the first time and I was in the era of like Nate not
being the worst. So it's like, Oh my gosh, it's
Nate. Well, like, it's the same
problem here, right? In Gossip Girl you have Nate
being the good guy to Chuck who is the worst, and here you have
(27:21):
to make. Bill.
Chuck, in order to raise Puck tolike a Nate level like you have
to give him a foil who is strongenough where we can, as the
audience can overlook Puck in his decisions.
I know these are names, I've just never seen Gossip Girl.
(27:41):
Would hate it you. You actually actively would.
I hate it so much. A pilot's worth watching like
from a television perspective, but in the 1st.
Season's pretty good as a as a like an as a capsule.
Yeah. Don't watch anything else.
Nope. Perfect.
Great it is. Married by Kristen Bell.
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So that's that's a bonus. All right, we have to talk about
Glee. So Huck and Quinn are trying to
not get back together. Well, Puck's trying desperately
to get back together with Quinn because he sees her and
immediately goes like goo goo Gaga eyes.
And Quinn is trying desperately to fight off the Goo goo Gaga
eyes because she has brought along her very appropriate rich
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asshole New England boyfriend. The Macintosh, Apple Fortune,
the. Macintosh, Apple, Fortune.
He gets $0.05 every time you eatan apple.
Hey, that's. It's not nothing.
Yeah, it. Is.
Yeah, it is so wild to me because it I feel like it kills
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all of Quinn's character development from literally
anytime after she got pregnant because this is like this was
gonna be her trajectory is like if she didn't marry someone from
high school and just like have ahouse become like, you know, a
real estate agent or whatever. She was going to go to an Ivy
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League or something comparable and marry into an old money
family. And this is she just was like,
well, I'm at Yale, so I don't have character development
anymore, even though my hair is not being styled in the same way
that it was in 2009. But I will say, as we like, you
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know, 'cause we'll follow, we'llfollow Puck and Quinn at least
'cause it's not horribly long. You know, Quinn is, you know,
thank you so much for coming with me.
And she's just trying really hard to live in the present.
She's thinking about her future,and she is not focusing on her
past. And, and we're all sitting here
going like we haven't seen you in three seasons.
But your past is exciting and it's gonna stick around with you
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for a minute. Including the Ryan Seacrest
tattoo, which God bless his Canon.
And so they go out a little later to Breadsticks.
And Biff, being the, you know, networking Macintosh Apple
magnet that he is, decides to invite all of Quinn's high
school friends to the table withthem, where they decide to drop
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little sprinkles of Quinn's pastthat made us all love her so
much. Ladies and gentlemen and friends
of all genders, my beloved skankQuinn.
The best Quinn the best The bestQuinn the.
Like funniest Quinn OH. Piano Project has such a place
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in my heart. Oh my God.
Skank Quinn and yeah, my. Favorite like season openers,
It's a good. Yeah, I would also absolutely do
this to my friends though. Like what do you what do you
mean? Like when you're tattoos and
your pink hair like. Like, don't you remember the
baby that we had? Like, don't you remember like
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that baby set a piano on fire? Remember that time that you.
I had a great time. You were there, remember?
When you and Mercedes were best friends and you moved in with
into her house because her parents no one remembers.
That no one remembers that. I remember you don't remember
Han delivered your baby. Pepper, Tom remembers.
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Does remember Mandy? It is criminal that we never get
any Mercedes Quinn interaction after season 1 and realistically
even after that episode. Right.
Yeah. Like, because we'll get to it in
a little bit. But like, Mercedes does a lot of
talking to Rachel Berry in this episode for absolutely no
reason. She should be reconciling with
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Quinn. Quinn should be reconciling
with, like, Brady and Santana. Like, I hate it.
I hate this. That whole bathroom
conversation, I wanted to from existence correct.
I was so mad about it. It shouldn't have been written,
it shouldn't have been filmed. No, it was wrong.
Get to it, but. We'll get there, maybe.
This is Quinn's time. Not to put Rachel into Quinn's
time like everything else, but yeah, I hated.
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It I'll put Rachel into Quinn's time.
Very cool. Quinn deserves more than Rachel
or Biff. Quinn deserves the world,
deserves the world Instead, whatshe gets instead, what she gets
is Puck pulling everyone into the auditorium so that he can
sing. Keep holding on, keep holding
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on, 'cause you know we'll make it through.
We'll make it through just. Stay strong, 'cause you know I'm
here for you, I'm here for you. There's nothing you can say,
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there's nothing you can do, there's no other way when it
comes to the truth. So keen holding on, 'cause you
know, we'll make it through, we'll make it through.
Am I correct in remembering thatthis is the song that they, the
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Glee club, sings to her when they figure out that she's
pregnant? No, it's after she gets kicked
out. Of her parents house.
Or of the parents house, I don'tremember.
OK. It's the like the episode where
like she moves in with Mercedes and when she does all that.
Yeah, no, no, no, no 'cause whenshe moves into Mercedes's house
is like back half of the season,'cause it's when Mercedes like,
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joins the Cheerios. I just season 1 episode 7 thank
you throw down. Huh.
So then it's gotta be when she gets kicked out of Cheerios.
Maybe. Yeah, a single.
Kicker after Sue tells Jacob BenIsrael to run the story of
Quinn's pregnancy on his blog. There he goes.
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So she gets outed. So she gets, yeah, I'll just Ben
Israel. Why wasn't he in this episode?
Do we need that? I don't need that.
I didn't need a lot of this, actually.
Yeah, only comments about this actually have several.
But my biggest comment about this is that Quinn's outfit.
I know Quinn's outfit is so 2014.
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My freshman year roommate wore the same skirt for sorority
recruitment. Oh my God.
I was like, I clocked in on thatskirt and I was like, huh, I
recognize that. Hold on.
But no, so she's he's singing acoustic guitar because what
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else is Puck gonna do? And like the original Glee club
members like so that they open the the curtains on the stage
and then the risers are there. And the original Glee club
members who would have sang thisto begin with go up and start
doing the choreo. And then by the end of the song,
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all of the Glee club members arelike, doing the choreo.
And Quinn is just sitting there,like playing with her, like
Pearl necklace, like tearing up a little bit.
And like, ah, if you remember this moment and if you have an
emotional connection to this moment, I understand why you
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would be teary eyed. And then he goes to talk to her
and he's like, you have to hold on to your past.
And she says something to the effect of like, oh, I was crying
because I didn't remember this song until you started singing
it. And that's fair.
She probably blocked out a lot of her sophomore year due to a
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trauma response. So I believe that, and maybe
that's why she doesn't talk to Mercedes anymore.
She forgot that she lived there.But I have a big problem, and
this will go back to like what we were talking about before.
I have a big problem with Puck'swhole stance of like, you have
to hold on to your past. Like you don't have to hold on
to your past to be honest about it and honor who you are, but
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you should move on if you want to have a life.
Life doesn't end at 25. Your best years are most likely
not in high school. You do not have to hold on to
who we were and you don't have to like constantly be around
those people and be in those spaces to still be a whole
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human. You have to accept it to heal,
and you probably should be honest about it if you want to
have fulfilling relationships. But this is like a completely
different extreme that we're taking things to.
Yeah, I. Don't.
Know that's the thesis of our podcast.
Yes. Fuck high school.
I think especially, especially considering Quinns like presumed
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trajectory, it really just feelslike a high school boyfriend who
knows he's not going to get too far away from town really wants
to keep her there too, and that's not good.
Or wants to like, ride those coattails to wherever she's
going to go. Right.
Because like that seems like a very much like a very puck
perspective. Because of what he is going
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through, he has no choice but tohold on to his past because as a
kid or as a teenager, some of the things that you hold closest
to are your immediate family, your very close circle of
friends, and your significant others.
He has never had a great relationship super with his mom
or with his half brother. His best friend died and his
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like high school girlfriend kindof sort of love child baby Mama
who he considers his soulmate islike running away from him as
fast as he as fast as she can like he has nothing and is
desperately trying to cling on to this past because it it Puck
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puck peaked in high school and unless he decides to change the
trajectory of his life, he will always have peaked in high
school. And so like, I can see this
coming from him now. Is it relevant for her?
Probably not, although you should really tell any kind of
significant partner that maybe you had a love child in high
school. Yeah, might come up.
Chase Crawford kind of had a point there in terms of like,
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like she like she with the the skank past and the, you know,
child at 16, all these things. She does not have the background
of someone who's gonna marry into an old money family.
She just doesn't. But but I'm sure some families
with money would be willing to overlook that if you were honest
about it. Yes.
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Instead, you're paying your roommate to spend hours or to
spend however long applying 3 layers of like, cover up makeup
on your body, on your lower back.
And you've been dating this man for three months.
Like hard pass. Sweetie, this is not going to be
a successful relationship now. I don't it's wild.
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I think it's also the fact that like Puck as a character is so
like Puck and Quinn as a as a pairing is also so interesting
to me because he's like, I love you and clearly is like trying
to convince her to like the subtext between all of it until
that last conversation is like, come with me, be with me or I'll
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I'll you know, let's try this. You 2 have not been in a
relationship since your sophomore year of high school.
Right. Like in Season 2 she's was
dating Sam and then she was dating Finn and then in season 3
she was not dating anybody and then she tried to date Sam and
Sam was like I'm actually into Mercedes and then she dated.
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She got in a car accident and then she dated teen Jesus bad.
I forgot which. Why was T Jesus not back?
Or that Irish kid. Their contracts were only for
like 10 episodes. Bummer.
So they couldn't finish their education.
Yeah, that's that's just how it is in Ohio.
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It's also wild watching this at my big old age of like 28,
because watching this at like 17, I know watching this at 17,
I was like, oh, really rooting for that.
And watching this at I was like,Oh my gosh, yes.
And then watching this at 28, I'm like, the way you're feeling
makes sense. I need you 2 to have a
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conversation that's like actually realistic.
Yeah. Like quickly.
Logic and reason in my Fox TV show my.
Fox TV show, but it's Glee. Just truly wild.
And then it doesn't get any better because we close in on,
you know, so they have this big emotional moment where where
Puck is like let go of your pastor no, like keep a hold of your
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past, like hold on to it, never let it go.
And Quinn's like, no, I want it gone forever.
I'm going to move in with the Apple King.
And so we find them. You know, we find Puck staring
at the second Finn Hudson Memorial at McKinley High
School. Because there are two.
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It must. Be so far.
What about that tree? Yeah, maybe the tree, too.
We come upon Finn's jersey and alittle Finn Hudson plaque in the
locker room, affectionately known on other podcasts of ours
as the Locker Room of Requirement.
And it's just. Wherever you need it to be, it's
just literally. It's.
Fine. Any door you open happens to be
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the the locker room. It's great.
We find we come upon Puck in thelocker room staring at this like
memorial of Finn and he and and he and Quinn have yet another
conversation kind of sorta, and he just basically begs her like
I, I, I love you. I want to be with you.
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We belong together. These are these are your
friends. We know you come be with us.
And she's like, Nah, I have a pathway to Yale and everything's
cool. And then Puck's like, OK, I'm
going to go be with the rest of our friends.
Shruggie emoji. And he like, walks down the hall
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in a very sad, emotional moment.And then, of course, she runs up
behind him and runs him in a bigkiss.
And they have a very wemma foot pop and the whole, the whole
thing. So, you know, we've, we've ended
the episode with Puck and Quinn having gotten back together, I
guess. Sorry, I absolutely missed the
part where Puck beats the crap out of Chase Crawford and throws
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him in a dumpster. Throw was like, I guess a nice
nod to what a jerk has been to other characters over the years.
Yeah, except you're rooting for him to do it this time.
Kind of. Yeah, except you're rooting for
him this time. Pilot throwback.
Yeah. I've been surprised.
Or Artie. About how much of this episode
was dedicated to Puck and Quinn.Yeah.
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Yeah, cuz they were like these people are never gonna come
back. I was just literally searching
the wiki to see if it was eitherof their final episodes and it
doesn't say it is so. No, because they come back in
season 6 but I don't think that the plan for season 6 had
happened was a was a thing in their heads.
And I also don't think any of these actor cause like this was
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also Diana's first time coming back since.
He sang love song that time, yeah.
Yeah, so since since Rachel was convinced not to show off her
boobs. Naked.
Film. Right.
But so this is so this is her like third appearance since she
graduated, right? But it was a whole big to do
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outside of the show because she didn't come back for the
quarterback. And it was this whole he said,
she said because she said she wasn't asked back, but Ryan
Murphy said that it was because of scheduling problems.
And like he said that she said no, I wasn't asked back And
like, I would have made it work with my schedule.
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So her being back for this was like this massive deal.
And because there was like this little bit of like bad blood
before there, I don't think thatthey actually expected her to
say yes to come back for anything else.
So this is like this massive send off for this character
that, like, was very, very beloved in the first three
seasons, even though, like in Season 3, she's essentially
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getting scraps. And she knew that, 'cause I also
remember, we'll talk about toxic, but I also remember one
of the big things, 'cause she was doing a lot of film stuff
around this time. And one of the things that she
said in an interview was that she never wanted to put on a
cheerleading uniform ever again.So then them doing toxic in the
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Cheerios outfit, I was like how much money did they give you
Dee? I hope it was enough.
Must have been. I hope, I hope it was enough to
erase the pain and. The trauma.
This was one of the few episodeswritten by all three of RIB.
Since how long? It says the other three are
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pilot, showmance and the quarterback.
I'd seen that too, so. Showmance is definitely the odd
man out there. Yeah, that's the one, right?
Yeah, what a weird like. Yeah, one off to throw in there.
So I guess they felt the need tobe like, well it's a historic
episode, let's all get our nameson it and work together to write
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Quinn fanfic. Yeah.
I guess that's why it feels kindof disjointed because like you
could say that the A plot is like getting the Glee club back,
but that. Except it's like over here.
Yeah, it's like every every. So I divided my notes into the
diva off Glee club. Quick the two or like 3 Britana
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scenes and then miscellaneous and miscellaneous is just like
April jokes. I don't know where this fits
'cause she's just been saying shit and it's like the A plot is
like technically trying to get the Glee club back but really
it's just singing these songs and whatever plot they fit into
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and so every scene is like divided into these.
I would actually say the A plot is the deva off.
Yeah, I think so. It's the one that gets the most
time. With the least amount of
consequence like. Who cares literally Canon wise.
Like they literally say like this.
Voting has no bearing on literally anything, ever.
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On literally anything. You still don't.
You're not in this Glee club anymore.
You are gonna go back to New York.
You're gonna go back to LA. You're still not friends because
you've never been friends, no matter what your little bathroom
conversation says. No matter how many duets you did
together. Right.
What the fuck are we wasting ourtime on here for?
So do we talk about the dev off?Let's go do it.
(47:10):
So, you know, Mercedes and Rachel have to argue and fight
because that's what they do on the show, whether or not it
makes sense. Yeah, the episode just makes
them clash together for reasons.They're going to re sing.
Is this the third time they do it?
I think so. I think no, I think it's the
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second time. I don't think they've done
defying gravity since the first D Boff.
I think it's been referenced a lot.
OK, they sing for good on stage at the Gershwin.
Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
There is like another Wicked episode, but I think this is the
second time they do define gravity.
Also, this is the version of Defying Gravity that was like
outselling the Wicked movie versions for a bit because it
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was like the only version with no dialogue.
You can just sing it straight through.
Yeah, I don't know if it's stillout selling, but this is the one
with Rachel, Kurt and Mercedes. That's so fucking iconic.
So funny. Yeah.
That's. Great.
So yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna diva off with Defying
Gravity because that's not boring, I guess.
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Like, they still care so much about the opinion of the Glee
club of who these like 10 peoplethinks which one of them is
better at singing, not who's a better person, not who's kinder,
not who's a better person in general.
Who cares about that stuff? Who cares about that stuff?
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Who's a better singer? Which is so subjective 'cause
they're so different, right? Anybody can tell that they're
just different types of singers.They're also just like I was, I
want to complain about them acting so childish with the
rules of the sing off and then who gets to sing the song and
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then you know, all of these other different stupid details.
But they're literally 19. They don't have fully developed
brains yet and they were never the most level headed people to
begin with. They're also.
Remixing it. No, it's the same fucking
arrangement. I am still just annoyed.
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Yeah, yeah, this is so stupid. It's the same song but worse
because again, none of them hit the like high note like that was
the whole. Thing.
Yeah, I have to admit, I I thinkit may be because I'm so sick of
the never ending wicked propaganda that's been happening
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for the last like year and a half.
But I fully was just like, I just fast forwarded through the
entire thing. I was just like, I don't need
it. I don't need it.
I don't need it. I have I have Idina Menzel and
Kristen Chenoweth on my like. I don't need this however.
I did. Really love April's comments of
that song. Should be on the Broadway.
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Yeah, that was great. Because Queen.
Angel the nod. I listened to it only to hear
Kurt to see what they were gonnado differently with him, which I
guess was to have him sing like 2 lines in the beginning and
then leave him out of the rest of it.
Entirely. I feel I also didn't get the
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little voice over right before where both Mercedes and Rachel
were like all my self esteem. Depends on how well this goes.
I was just happy to be there, I started.
Singing and then Kurt singing. I'm like, OK Kurt, self esteem
intact. He didn't need a voice over to
let us know that. He's fine because he didn't.
He beat Rachel with bring him home like 3 weeks ago in
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Showtime. He's fine.
Yeah, they already had their devo off.
He's like, that's settled. Yeah, we're good.
Yeah, and then Shu pulls anotherone of his bullshit maneuvers
where he's like, we're not actually gonna vote.
Right now, we're gonna vote tomorrow.
You guys are gonna sit on it. Yeah.
And then they both have these scenes of like, trying to
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convince other people. Why?
They should win. And it's like, OK, then this
isn't about talent. No, they're doing.
Which it never. Won.
Right. Santana has a rant right before
they start. Right at some point she has a
rant. She's very mean.
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Yes. But is she wrong?
No, no. She says you've sold half the
people in the room down the river more times than I can
count. True.
I'm like, no, that's that's true.
And the other half, you don't even know their names.
And she's like, I know. So true.
She points to Ryder. And she's like, what?
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Who? Who's he?
Rick. No.
No, sweetie, no. In her defense, I sometimes also
forget his name. Yes.
Also, during Santana's rant, I noticed that there's a shot of
shoe in the background just kindof like shaking his head.
And I was like, you could have prevented this.
You don't get to sit. You could, you don't get to
stand there and like shake your head.
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I know they're not your studentsanymore, but you could have cut
Santana off. Yeah.
You. You didn't.
Like he never cuts her off when he was when she was his student.
Yes. And but it's like, you don't get
to like be annoyed that somebodyis like actively being so
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harmful if you're not doing anything about it, Rachel says.
You're So go ahead. You're so mean.
They do reveal that they stuffedthe ballot box at prom for prom
queen. And you know what?
That. Didn't surprise me at all.
Not at all. Which I guess I thought they
already knew, but it was becauseit's so embedded in the lore
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already. Like, Oh yeah, she didn't win
like. But we we as the audience know.
But Rachel thinks she actually won.
And so. This whole time.
So it's this thing of like, you know, a couple weeks ago it was
revealed to her that Kurt threw that high note for his dad.
And so this so this, this like diva off that she has built her
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entire like self esteem on is actually built on a lie.
And then this like other thing that she built probably some
sort of like self esteem in terms of like confidence or like
acceptance of, you know, the school accepts her as a like
somebody who's worthy of winningprom queen, even though she I
don't think she was running, butalso like as Finn's partner,
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also a lie. So it's like this like 1-2 punch
that have come within the same like few months.
But then she says you're so cruel Santana.
You're only doing this because you're a lonely understudy and
I'm the lead. I'm better than you lady like.
Being an understudy for a Broadway opening is like dog
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food. Like what?
The understudies work harder, the swings work harder.
Also, that comment by itself would get you dropped from a
storefront show in Chicago, let alone being a Broadway lead.
Like, you don't, you don't get to talk to people like that.
You also don't get to disrespectpeople like that and still be
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employable. Granted, Peter Facinelli wasn't
here to like, hear that. Daddy Cullen wasn't here to say
oh, you're fired. But she like, wants out crying.
'Cause she's a victim. Gosh.
She's a victim like, and then Merced and then and then we go
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to this bathroom scene. Mercedes going to comfort her is
crazy. She's a better person than I.
I hated this so much like this. No the scene was garbage.
Like talking to her like she isn't the asshole in this is
terrible. Talking to her also then
Mercedes like names all of the people who like are the voices
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of her imposter syndrome. And Rachel's like, oh, I would
hate to think that I was one of your tormentors.
Oh, you. Were.
Oh, you. So were you, So were.
Like, I was this the show tryingto gaslight us using the term
vaguely incorrectly, but like, was the show retconning us?
(55:43):
Are they, it was the show being like, no, no, no, no, no.
You just don't understand the relationship.
Like, no, I understand it. I get it.
I watched it. What are you trying to do here?
I I saw how Rachel talked to everybody.
I saw what she did. And also like, why isn't
Mercedes is like like nobody else was, nobody else was
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pounding down the door to like talk Rachel off this ledge.
And then like, I don't remember a lot of like, Kurt's stance
within the Santana Rachel feud, but I feel like I would
understand him, A, not wanting to get in the middle and B,
having more important things to do.
Like if you don't see your dad all that often but you live with
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Rachel, anytime you're not in the choir room, I just assume
you're hanging out with your dad.
Or his fiance. Or his fiance, I don't know.
Yeah, sounds, you know what sounds like not something that
Rachel's butt monkey would do. But nobody else was like on
Rachel's side here. Nobody else was, like, going to
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comfort her. I would love to know if there
was actually any reasoning for why Mercedes would do it or if
it was just like, no, this is the Rachel show.
I think it's the Rachel show andI think it's another, I think
it's a bit like Quinn where we're not going to see Mercedes
again. So let's give her a scene,
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right? And we've always used Mercedes
to prop up Rachel. So we have like, this is what we
know how what to do with her. Like the show is never going to
put Mercedes above Rachel. It was never going to end her
time on screen with her triumphing over Rachel.
It's never going to end with them voting for Mercedes over
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Rachel. It was never going to end with
Rachel running out in a huff andMercedes being like yeah she
does suck ass like. Sucks to suck.
Sucks, which sucks. I'm making it in LA without
being a little bitch about it. Which is.
I wouldn't love to have seen that.
Though I am, I would have. I know that watching TV is free,
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but I would have paid good money.
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She's not beating the allegations that she writes
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Rocks. Well, welcome back to Glee on
the Rocks, a Phantom on the Rocks podcast.
I'm Emily. I'm Mandy.
I'm Dee. I'm Adriana.
And I'm Allison. And all five of us are here at
the same time, finally. We literally scheduled this a
month in advance. Not gonna explain.
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All of the goings on that just happened trying to get this
recording started. Literally 40 minutes of it.
But we're here, and we're together. 3 generations of
fandom on the rocks in one place.
Tell tell us why all all three generations of podcasters are
together today. Well, it's a very special
episode of Glee. It's the 100th episode, yeah.
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Appropriately titled 100. 1100, which you know for them means
syndication, if that were still a thing that happened.
It's a, it's a thing that happens in their contract.
They're, you know, as a, as a Fox Show.
They are on a basic contract anda basic television contract,
which means that their residualsare are are baked right into the
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text. Do you know what's?
Interesting not to completely derail like talking about the
plot of Glee. Do you ever see reruns of Glee
on TV? Literally never.
Can you imagine that we're just playing at like 5:00 PM every
day when kids got home from school?
But like, I see reruns of 911 and that's an actively running
show. Yeah, that was pretty normal
though that and that that also requires you to have like a
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cable subscription. Yeah.
Billy did get syndicated I thinkon like oxygen y'all remember?
That. I don't know what I would do if
I was just, like, flipping through channels and Will
Shuster just appeared on my television.
Like I don't think I'd be OK you.
Know. What's crazy too is, well, first
of all, a jail, jail stop. What's crazy too is so a couple
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of weeks ago I saw this ad on Facebook and the fact that, you
know, that would have been incomprehensible 10 years ago is
insane. But I saw this ad on Facebook
and it was ABC advertising the season 2 finale of Only Murders
in the Building airing on ABC. And I was like, first of all,
this is a Hulu original. Secondly, they finished their
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fourth season on Hulu like 6 months ago.
So ABC, which is the actual TV channel is boasting about the
season 2 finale which came out two years ago.
So I would not be so like now streaming originals are getting
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syndication they. Are yeah, I saw, I caught it.
I caught Only Murders on like, Idon't know, after Jeopardy.
And I was like, but this is likeseason 1.
They're just airing it as if it's brand new.
That's because Disney, Hulu of ABC, whatever is one of
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America's five companies, so. But I would not be surprised now
if like all of these older showsthat were like Fox shows that
are now under the Disney umbrella would eventually get
back to syndication on one of their 25 different channels that
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are just children to ABC, which is Disney and like.
The shitty thing about it is that all of these shows that,
and again, my union knowledge ofcontracts is old at this point.
It's many negotiations old at this point.
But to the best of my knowledge,like the streaming contract
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programs that were developed andfilmed under streaming have a
different contract because they don't do Nielsen ratings.
They don't have viewership numbers, They don't have that
kind of system. So they can't really get
syndicated. It doesn't work that way.
And so like if only murderers was filmed on Hulu, they were
filmed under a new media contract.
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And now that they're getting picked up and syndicated by ABC,
they don't have any of the same protections or like benefits
necessarily of being a program that was filmed on on a network
contract, which just like grindsmy gears in a very particular
way. And like, none of the principals
on that show need the rerun money, but all of the like
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ensemble cast probably does. Oh for sure.
Anybody who's getting 12 cent checks needs those 12 cent
checks like Let it ride. They're important.
It's the only reason a lot of people qualify for Healthcare is
because their their residual checks put them over the earning
limit. It does, yeah.
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So it's it just drives me crazy,It grinds my gears and I hate
it. Support your unions.
And that's the end of the episode.
Support your. Unions goodbye.
Goodbye I. Guess we have to go back to the
actual plot which does occur. There is something of a plot in
this episode. The Glee club is still
cancelled. Somehow we have to begin this
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episode with Rachel coming back to McKinley because it's always
about her. OK, but.
Shoot To her credit, Rachel and Mercedes start this episode in a
very like old school Glee fashion.
It Yeah, yes, this is a tribute to the show itself.
And I did love it. Yeah.
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Yeah, but starting with Rachel narration.
I literally wrote down we're starting with Rachel narration
of. Course we.
Are it's great. It's.
Like I was also like, they're still feuding, Yeah.
That was my thing. I I wrote the fabricated
rivalry, right? It's fully fabricated.
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These two people have not been in a room together in almost a
year in Showtime. Like they don't.
I wish they had moved on. Regular people would.
Real human people would have moved on.
Yeah. Real human people wouldn't be
one year out of high school withone of them having a recording
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contract and one on Broadway there.
Yeah. Right, I can't just why women be
successful. It would have made more sense to
have Santana feuding with literally anyone.
I mean, she does. We just have to get there.
Yeah, but like to. Open it with Santana.
That would have been like, Oh yeah, OK.
Well, of course she has beef with everyone.
Yeah, 'cause Santana has beef with everyone like.
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Deservedly so. The original beef is actually
Rachel and Mercedes against McKinley the school 'cause
they're like, where's my confetti?
Where's my banner? Right, You're literally you
graduated 5 minutes ago. Like you're a child, it's fine.
Wanted one of them to get slushied the way.
But. That would have been a good call
back. What a surprise that there
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actually were 0 slushies. Correct.
Like the whole thing was a love letter to the first, like many
seasons of Glee. Like that beef intro should have
been both of them storming down the hallway and then like out of
nowhere they come to face each other and then boom slushy.
Especially because has done a slushy since like they won
nationals and did like the confetti slushies.
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It was like the symbolic end of like them being slushied or.
Whatever, now they're like. So I feel like I remember
somebody at the beginning of season 4, like one of the
newbies getting slushied. And then of course, Tina in the
sky with diamonds. Tina gets.
Oh, the ultimate slushy. You're right.
The ultimate Carrie slushied. Fucking.
Rough. I just.
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Like the way they care so much about high school.
Right. I rather.
Graduated. No one cares that you came back.
Also none of these kids are peaking in high school.
That's for like people who were like on the football team and
like head cheerleader and shit and didn't get pregnant and have
a baby. Like none of these people peaked
in high school. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, maybe Quinn. She did.
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Get pregnant. I was going to say.
I was going to say puppy twin. They they, yeah.
But it's funny because they portrayed them too specifically
as like transcending high schoolin this in this episode.
So that's so true. I really forgot how much of this
episode was about people that are not in the rest of the show
ever. Yeah.
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It was a little, it was a littlejump scare to be like, oh, so
we're going back to all the casting characters that I love
and care about, who you've developed with storylines and
plot devices and personalities. Oh, and now you're going to send
them away again. Yes, it was very farewell vibes,
very much. Like, oh, you're never going to
see these people again. Never.
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Yeah, I guess before we get to the choir room, there is a line
about Rachel saying that she is the biggest Broadway star the
school has ever produced, and then we're going to run into
April roads. So it's just patent we.
Well, on a technicality, becauselike, technically April Rhodes
did go to the school, but she didn't graduate.
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And technically, I forgot about Rachel hasn't been on Broadway
yet. Technically.
She's still in rehearsals. Battle of the technicalities so.
Like fuck out, Rachel. I beg Rachel every day that I
think about her, which is increasingly less and less, to
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like, get off her high horse. One day which circles I mean.
When she's dead. It'll be the end of the episode.
But when they do define gravity and they vote and it's a tie
between Rachel and Mercedes likeKurt was in the song too.
Assholes. We'll get there.
Yeah, no, yeah. No mention.
No mention of Kurt. No.
Mention I noticed I was pissed. I was there.
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It was rare. And no one hitting that high
note. Not one person.
That was the, that was the part of that.
We'll get, we'll get there, we'll get there.
Like they, they spend like 20 minutes circling around like, oh
man, that high note at the end. And then the arrangement is that
no one has to hit any high note at all.
Like what are you? What are you doing?
What are you doing to me? Why I don't?
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Even like the song, I was like, no one's gonna do it.
Great cool. You've done this now four times.
OK, cool. Thanks.
So many times. OK, anyway, the choir room.
Everyone has to praise Rachel. Rachel and Mercedes fight over
the Rachel chair. I didn't actually know there was
a Rachel chair in the choir room.
They see it as this like status symbol and they both rush
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towards it. Rachel sits down 1st and then
Mercedes like puts her little like she puts her outfit to
rights and then she says she's. Going to the back of the bus.
I actually really like that linethough that.
Was the way. I just wanted Mercedes to just
sit on Rachel, on her, to be like, get out of my chair.
That's what should have happened.
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Yes. Also, why is Mercedes dressing
like she's 45 years old? I don't like that.
The little people. She's like, she weighs more than
115 lbs and they don't know how to dress her.
It's not fair. It's not, she looks.
It's 2014 and that's what. I guess Rachel was kind of
conservatively dressed this episode, too.
We're going back to high school,so it's like we gotta.
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Rain. Everyone was conservatively
dressed. Yeah, I.
Think the wardrobe. Wardrobe really just wanted to
make it seem like they were older and there had been more
separate. Yeah, like these are adults.
They weren't born the same calendar year as some of the
other students in the last. Room, Yeah.
We're the alumni like you're ourfriends.
We saw you 6 weeks ago. Yeah, literally.
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Literally. So stupid.
Do you want to go by storyline or do you want to go by like
chronological order in the episode?
I first want someone to explain to me what Mr. Shuster means by
100 lessons in the timeline of Glee I.
Mean nothing. It's a lie.
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He wrote 100 things on the board.
Not even. Probably not.
Though he says there's been 100 lessons and then the Wikipedia,
the Glee, Apedia, whatever the fuck is like, actually there's
74 lessons. Like, oh.
Where did you get that number from?
You can't have her possibly be true.
Just like the number of times heactually remembered he was a
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teacher in the run of that show.Is Glee club not a daily
occurrence? Because if there's five days in
the school week and you divide that, there's 20 weeks that
they've been in Glee club, That can't be right.
Or and then also. Maybe.
It's like so does a week. It's like it's a, it's a one
week, you know, they they meet up all the time because they're
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like friends and that's what they do when they hang out and
whatever. But that like the official Glee
club block is only once a week maybe.
And if you know. It's one lesson a week.
And then one lesson a week. Yeah.
So the school week is what, 35 weeks?
32 weeks. I don't know how time works in
Ohio. 4/9. Yeah. 37 But then you also, you
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also have to divide up like OK, how much of it was actually
lessons? How much of it was like
railroaded by drama? How much of it was like practice
for? Apparently the the Glee pedia
says 74, so we'll shoot. She said 74.
And, and, and regardless of whatthey said, that was not a line
for the students. That was a line for the
audience, yes. Right, that's true.
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It was bad math via plot device.Well, he couldn't say 100
episodes, so you gotta. Do something 'cause that would
be a little too bad important. This must be important.
It's the name of the episode. Like aha, OK, it's the.
Name of the episode? It's like that kind of shit
irritates me. Like, this can't, can't possibly
be true. So the, OK, I guess our main
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storyline is that the alums havecome back.
Some of them, not all of them, have come back to celebrate the
fact that the Glee club is ending and they want to sing
together one last time, but they're going to perform a song
they already did, but reinvented.
Not really reinvented, because none of these songs are
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completely reinvented. No.
Some of them are sang by the exact same people.
Yeah, literally. That's like not even half assing
it. No 1/4.
It's a different set. Yeah, not even actually.
Right. Some of the same choreography a.
100% like they just did the samelittle moves in the background.
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Like OK the wiki says do you remember this happening?
Because I don't remember this happening.
But the song selection was votedon by fans through a poll.
Don't. Remember that, maybe?
On Twitter. The fans?
No, it was a rap article. Fans got to choose from 30
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classic Glee performances and then ten of them would be in the
episode. But only 8 songs were released
and seven of them were in the episode.
Well, maybe, maybe the 10 was like between both episodes
'cause they did do like the slower loser like me and the.
Oh yeah. In the next episode, right?
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And then probably like another one that I can't remember.
I'm hoping it not that I need a fourth version of Don't Stop
Believing, but it would seem really weird like for the plot
to not do that song at the end. Of I think they do that one at
the end of the other one. At the end of the next one,
yeah. Makes sense?
Dog Days Are Over was supposed to be one of the songs sung by
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Holly Holiday. Oh thank God we didn't get that.
Yeah. No, thank you.
But she did Happy instead 'causeshe doesn't have to do a rewind
song, she gets to do her own jam.
I got it. I was wondering how in the logic
of the episode they were redoinga song but like they start by
redoing A warbler song. That yes, thank you, Blaine for
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calling it out. Yeah.
So what April Rhodes was at thatcompetition?
How does she know? Yeah, because.
She came on YouTube. She's she's fucking clairvoyant
because she literally says oh the warblers did this.
No wonder it didn't sound annoying in my head.
Every time I like. Yeah.
I'm sure they talked about it inthe Facebook group they're all
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in. Yes.
Cooper. Yes, Cooper, because Cooper.
Would Cooper have been at Warblers Regionals in 2011?
No, but Blaine recorded it and sent it to his brother.
Yeah, there are a lot of YouTubevideos of like show choir
performances through the years. That is true.
My, my, my thoughts are, you know, the show car forums and
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all that. Like there's just like Warbler
recordings. Yeah, absolutely.
Surely there's like a Warblers fandom within the show choir
community. The same way that there was a
Wiffen Poops fandom. Right.
Absolutely. Apparently, April Rhodes is #1.
Yeah, she just doesn't know thatit's the.
She definitely bought the Warbler sweater from Forever 21.
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I mean. Oh, I'm sorry, was.
That too deep fucking. Cut.
Wait, did anyone here have it? I know someone in fandom who
did, but I didn't. Matt had it.
Yeah, I was going to say it. I feel like I know people who
had it. Yeah, I didn't have it, but I
knew people who had it. Yeah.
OK. So for each of these versions,
we need to decide if the new one's better or the old one's
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better. So if he wears your glass.
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Is the new one better? The old one.
No, it's. The old one, the old one.
'S way better. The old one is so the old one is
so much better that they recreated the old one's
choreography. It did, it was.
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that the Warblers
can do no wrong 'cause they do do some wrong.
There's some Warblers songs thatI'm not a not.
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I don't like candles. Was it for me?
That wasn't messed up. You're right, it was.
Just but you. Can't be mad at it because it
got Curd and Blaine together. It's true, it did.
But it's it got them together and they never spoke again.
But yeah, no, of course the of course the original Warbler 1 is
better. This one was.
I, I, I tuned it out. It was not for me.
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It seemed like a reference to Red Solo Cup a little bit too.
It did. They kept like with the
champagne flutes. They were like.
I think I would have much ratherseen them do Red Solo Cup.
Yeah. That is a fandom favorite for
me. It would have been a good lead
on that 1 I think. My God, yes.
OK, not to say anything negativeabout Kristin Chenoweth.
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But. She doesn't meld into a group
song. No.
No, it's true. And like.
Stands out. She stands out.
So with Raise Your Glass, the original is like a group and
it's just her above everybody else doing it.
And I was like, it's not the vibe of the song.
No. Yeah, it got into Kidz Bop
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territory a little bit. It did.
There we go. It was.
Too close to that, yeah. You're very right.
So negative on this one. I do love how she's just
flirting with Blaine the entire time.
Well, obviously somebody has to because his fiance wasn't.
I It's one of those episodes when they're on opposite sides
of the room, like the whole time.
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Why? Middle name Hummel.
They weren't Elizabeth. They were sitting.
Like. Two choir chairs 6 feet apart,
no homo in the hot tub. What the fuck?
What the fuck? It's very much homo, gentlemen.
Yeah, Oh, no, not to worry. April Rhodes gives them their
wedding present, which is just two flasks to, what is it, Dole,
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their wedding night sodomy and the impending divorce.
It was horrifying. Horrifying.
Do that to them. Like not only should you just
not be doing that to anybody at all across the board, do not do
that to like high school, barelygraduated college children.
Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
I mean, she's not beating the allegations that she writes
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Warbler's fan fiction. She's not.
In her sweater. A tube of Lube would have been
better in the situation. Jesus Christ.
Is that it would have been just as off putting.
But like supplying? Alcohol to minors, but.
Like stop. But she's been doing that.
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I know I'm like, you're gonna get arrested.
It was funny in Season 1, it's not as funny in Season 5.
No, right, Right. I feel like her character did
feel too overblown for, like, everybody else.
Maybe not everybody. Several of the other characters
had some significant character development in this episode.
Yeah. And she was still, like, such a
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caricature. I wasn't really.
Like I love Kristen Chenoweth but never liked it trope the the
trope word for the character It's it's the opposite of the
wubafication where a character'straits just keep like ramping
into. Absurdity.
I don't know. They do that a lot though,
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especially with like the dumb character, yeah or whatever and
everything I feel like. There's a word for that and I
just can't think of it. I'll think of it tomorrow when
we're not talking. Perfect.
Drop out the show notes. It'll be really useful.
OK, well, do we want to, do we have to talk about Puck and
Quinn's storyline? Like do we want to move into
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that and keep with them throughout the the?
Episode I I mean, if anything else, Adriana and I can talk
about it and the rest of you cango like not talking about
getting Drake cook us up a Drakego to the bathroom goat might
be. Juice.
I mean, I will say I have some cred there because the first
Glee thick I ever wrote was in season 1 and it was Puck and
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Quinn. Like before.
Blaine, like before Blaine existed.
I I I wrote a puck and Quinn Thick.
And like, don't get me wrong, I am.
I'm faberry for life like. And this episode did provide me
with some Rachel and Quinn. It did, but I like Puck and
Quinn. I always kind of did.
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It's not. Puck's fault, his actor is
garbage. Yes, yes.
It just doesn't help. Yeah, the.
Character was also garbage. Character was also garbage in
his own vibe. Like, but he grew one season
ago. Just one season ago.
Just one season ago, though, he was hooking up with Kitty around
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this time and then. He.
Stopped hooking up with a sophomore and then like I so I
also wrote this down because OK so I said didn't puck like join
whatever army organization this is like weeks ago because if
we're like I know the time dilation, especially within this
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season is like so so so bad. But generously, we can say that
it's been two months between regionals and nationals, and
this episode is taking place right after nationals, which at
most would make it 3 months between Puck leaving, crashing
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with Finn at like Lima University or whatever and
joining whatever organization this is and then being in full
uniform. Wasn't there generously
generously 3 months? Basic training is at the minimum
9 weeks. I, I have I have like a, a
crackpot theory for this, which occurred to me while I was just
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like looking up stuff about the episode because apparently if
you look in like the trivia likegoof section, he's wearing the
ranking of a full officer. I'm like he, he, he dropped out.
He just stole that. He showed up in someone's.
Uniform. He showed up.
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
It's the Air Force too, Yeah, it's an Air Force.
He just showed up in an Air Force officer's uniform and he
was like, no one is gonna know the difference.
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It'll impress me. Yeah, it'll impress her.
It's fine. Like, wasn't there a big, like a
canonical time jump between Finn's death and like, something
else? Wasn't there like a big.
Between the between the between the death and it must have been
the the memorial. Yeah.
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And then between the memorial and the rest.
Of the season and the rest of the season.
I don't know how how that affects your timeline, but no,
no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying Puckerman is a good dude.
He is not a good dude. He is better than he used to be.
So you know what? He's not good enough.
I forgot that Chase Crawford wasin this.
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Yes. That's his name.
I'm like, I've launched in the episode.
I'm like, Oh my God, it's GossipGirl.
I was. Like, Oh my God, it's.
Nate. It is.
It's Nate. It's Nate.
'Cause he's playing the same character.
Same guy. Same fucking guy.
They had to make him that bad sothat puck looked pretty good,
like they had to make him the worst ever.
And also because Chase Crawford just looks like that.
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He does. Punchable.
Yeah. He's got a very punchable face.
My only my only addition to thisis that I have met Chase
Crawford and he's kind of nice. Good.
Oh, that's good. I feel like you gotta be really
nice to play mean, yeah. Yeah.
Like, unless you're. Unless you're.
Michelle, like Michelle, I know.That's what you're saying.
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Yeah, it was a a, a movie that we did in New York and it was
pretty professional and pretty nice.
I love that he's a nice person. Shout out shit.
Movie but like. I think Nate from Gossip Girl
and Biff from Glee are both assholes.
Yes, so. You're not incorrect, but I
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think I also think when this wasairing, I I was watching Gossip
Girl for the first time and I was in the era of like Nate not
being the worst. So it's like, Oh my gosh, it's
Nate. Well, like, it's the same
problem here, right? In Gossip Girl you have Nate
being the good guy to Chuck who is the worst, and here you have
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to make. Bill.
Chuck, in order to raise Puck tolike a Nate level like you have
to give him a foil who is strongenough where we can, as the
audience can overlook Puck in his decisions.
I know these are names, I've just never seen Gossip Girl.
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Would hate it you. You actually actively would.
I hate it so much. A pilot's worth watching like
from a television perspective, but in the 1st.
Season's pretty good as a as a like an as a capsule.
Yeah. Don't watch anything else.
Nope. Perfect.
Great it is. Married by Kristen Bell.
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So that's that's a bonus. All right, we have to talk about
Glee. So Huck and Quinn are trying to
not get back together. Well, Puck's trying desperately
to get back together with Quinn because he sees her and
immediately goes like goo goo Gaga eyes.
And Quinn is trying desperately to fight off the Goo goo Gaga
eyes because she has brought along her very appropriate rich
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asshole New England boyfriend. The Macintosh, Apple Fortune,
the. Macintosh, Apple, Fortune.
He gets $0.05 every time you eatan apple.
Hey, that's. It's not nothing.
Yeah, it. Is.
Yeah, it is so wild to me because it I feel like it kills
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all of Quinn's character development from literally
anytime after she got pregnant because this is like this was
gonna be her trajectory is like if she didn't marry someone from
high school and just like have ahouse become like, you know, a
real estate agent or whatever. She was going to go to an Ivy
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League or something comparable and marry into an old money
family. And this is she just was like,
well, I'm at Yale, so I don't have character development
anymore, even though my hair is not being styled in the same way
that it was in 2009. But I will say, as we like, you
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know, 'cause we'll follow, we'llfollow Puck and Quinn at least
'cause it's not horribly long. You know, Quinn is, you know,
thank you so much for coming with me.
And she's just trying really hard to live in the present.
She's thinking about her future,and she is not focusing on her
past. And, and we're all sitting here
going like we haven't seen you in three seasons.
But your past is exciting and it's gonna stick around with you
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for a minute. Including the Ryan Seacrest
tattoo, which God bless his Canon.
And so they go out a little later to Breadsticks.
And Biff, being the, you know, networking Macintosh Apple
magnet that he is, decides to invite all of Quinn's high
school friends to the table withthem, where they decide to drop
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little sprinkles of Quinn's pastthat made us all love her so
much. Ladies and gentlemen and friends
of all genders, my beloved skankQuinn.
The best Quinn the best The bestQuinn the.
Like funniest Quinn OH. Piano Project has such a place
(30:32):
in my heart. Oh my God.
Skank Quinn and yeah, my. Favorite like season openers,
It's a good. Yeah, I would also absolutely do
this to my friends though. Like what do you what do you
mean? Like when you're tattoos and
your pink hair like. Like, don't you remember the
baby that we had? Like, don't you remember like
(30:54):
that baby set a piano on fire? Remember that time that you.
I had a great time. You were there, remember?
When you and Mercedes were best friends and you moved in with
into her house because her parents no one remembers.
That no one remembers that. I remember you don't remember
Han delivered your baby. Pepper, Tom remembers.
(31:16):
Does remember Mandy? It is criminal that we never get
any Mercedes Quinn interaction after season 1 and realistically
even after that episode. Right.
Yeah. Like, because we'll get to it in
a little bit. But like, Mercedes does a lot of
talking to Rachel Berry in this episode for absolutely no
reason. She should be reconciling with
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Quinn. Quinn should be reconciling
with, like, Brady and Santana. Like, I hate it.
I hate this. That whole bathroom
conversation, I wanted to from existence correct.
I was so mad about it. It shouldn't have been written,
it shouldn't have been filmed. No, it was wrong.
Get to it, but. We'll get there, maybe.
This is Quinn's time. Not to put Rachel into Quinn's
time like everything else, but yeah, I hated.
(32:00):
It I'll put Rachel into Quinn's time.
Very cool. Quinn deserves more than Rachel
or Biff. Quinn deserves the world,
deserves the world Instead, whatshe gets instead, what she gets
is Puck pulling everyone into the auditorium so that he can
sing. Keep holding on, keep holding
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on, 'cause you know we'll make it through.
We'll make it through just. Stay strong, 'cause you know I'm
here for you, I'm here for you. There's nothing you can say,
(32:46):
there's nothing you can do, there's no other way when it
comes to the truth. So keen holding on, 'cause you
know, we'll make it through, we'll make it through.
Am I correct in remembering thatthis is the song that they, the
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Glee club, sings to her when they figure out that she's
pregnant? No, it's after she gets kicked
out. Of her parents house.
Or of the parents house, I don'tremember.
OK. It's the like the episode where
like she moves in with Mercedes and when she does all that.
Yeah, no, no, no, no 'cause whenshe moves into Mercedes's house
is like back half of the season,'cause it's when Mercedes like,
(33:30):
joins the Cheerios. I just season 1 episode 7 thank
you throw down. Huh.
So then it's gotta be when she gets kicked out of Cheerios.
Maybe. Yeah, a single.
Kicker after Sue tells Jacob BenIsrael to run the story of
Quinn's pregnancy on his blog. There he goes.
(33:50):
So she gets outed. So she gets, yeah, I'll just Ben
Israel. Why wasn't he in this episode?
Do we need that? I don't need that.
I didn't need a lot of this, actually.
Yeah, only comments about this actually have several.
But my biggest comment about this is that Quinn's outfit.
I know Quinn's outfit is so 2014.
(34:12):
My freshman year roommate wore the same skirt for sorority
recruitment. Oh my God.
I was like, I clocked in on thatskirt and I was like, huh, I
recognize that. Hold on.
But no, so she's he's singing acoustic guitar because what
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else is Puck gonna do? And like the original Glee club
members like so that they open the the curtains on the stage
and then the risers are there. And the original Glee club
members who would have sang thisto begin with go up and start
doing the choreo. And then by the end of the song,
(34:53):
all of the Glee club members arelike, doing the choreo.
And Quinn is just sitting there,like playing with her, like
Pearl necklace, like tearing up a little bit.
And like, ah, if you remember this moment and if you have an
emotional connection to this moment, I understand why you
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would be teary eyed. And then he goes to talk to her
and he's like, you have to hold on to your past.
And she says something to the effect of like, oh, I was crying
because I didn't remember this song until you started singing
it. And that's fair.
She probably blocked out a lot of her sophomore year due to a
(35:35):
trauma response. So I believe that, and maybe
that's why she doesn't talk to Mercedes anymore.
She forgot that she lived there.But I have a big problem, and
this will go back to like what we were talking about before.
I have a big problem with Puck'swhole stance of like, you have
to hold on to your past. Like you don't have to hold on
to your past to be honest about it and honor who you are, but
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you should move on if you want to have a life.
Life doesn't end at 25. Your best years are most likely
not in high school. You do not have to hold on to
who we were and you don't have to like constantly be around
those people and be in those spaces to still be a whole
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human. You have to accept it to heal,
and you probably should be honest about it if you want to
have fulfilling relationships. But this is like a completely
different extreme that we're taking things to.
Yeah, I. Don't.
Know that's the thesis of our podcast.
Yes. Fuck high school.
I think especially, especially considering Quinns like presumed
(36:49):
trajectory, it really just feelslike a high school boyfriend who
knows he's not going to get too far away from town really wants
to keep her there too, and that's not good.
Or wants to like, ride those coattails to wherever she's
going to go. Right.
Because like that seems like a very much like a very puck
perspective. Because of what he is going
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through, he has no choice but tohold on to his past because as a
kid or as a teenager, some of the things that you hold closest
to are your immediate family, your very close circle of
friends, and your significant others.
He has never had a great relationship super with his mom
or with his half brother. His best friend died and his
(37:32):
like high school girlfriend kindof sort of love child baby Mama
who he considers his soulmate islike running away from him as
fast as he as fast as she can like he has nothing and is
desperately trying to cling on to this past because it it Puck
(37:53):
puck peaked in high school and unless he decides to change the
trajectory of his life, he will always have peaked in high
school. And so like, I can see this
coming from him now. Is it relevant for her?
Probably not, although you should really tell any kind of
significant partner that maybe you had a love child in high
school. Yeah, might come up.
Chase Crawford kind of had a point there in terms of like,
(38:16):
like she like she with the the skank past and the, you know,
child at 16, all these things. She does not have the background
of someone who's gonna marry into an old money family.
She just doesn't. But but I'm sure some families
with money would be willing to overlook that if you were honest
about it. Yes.
(38:36):
Instead, you're paying your roommate to spend hours or to
spend however long applying 3 layers of like, cover up makeup
on your body, on your lower back.
And you've been dating this man for three months.
Like hard pass. Sweetie, this is not going to be
a successful relationship now. I don't it's wild.
(38:59):
I think it's also the fact that like Puck as a character is so
like Puck and Quinn as a as a pairing is also so interesting
to me because he's like, I love you and clearly is like trying
to convince her to like the subtext between all of it until
that last conversation is like, come with me, be with me or I'll
(39:21):
I'll you know, let's try this. You 2 have not been in a
relationship since your sophomore year of high school.
Right. Like in Season 2 she's was
dating Sam and then she was dating Finn and then in season 3
she was not dating anybody and then she tried to date Sam and
Sam was like I'm actually into Mercedes and then she dated.
(39:45):
She got in a car accident and then she dated teen Jesus bad.
I forgot which. Why was T Jesus not back?
Or that Irish kid. Their contracts were only for
like 10 episodes. Bummer.
So they couldn't finish their education.
Yeah, that's that's just how it is in Ohio.
(40:06):
It's also wild watching this at my big old age of like 28,
because watching this at like 17, I know watching this at 17,
I was like, oh, really rooting for that.
And watching this at I was like,Oh my gosh, yes.
And then watching this at 28, I'm like, the way you're feeling
makes sense. I need you 2 to have a
(40:26):
conversation that's like actually realistic.
Yeah. Like quickly.
Logic and reason in my Fox TV show my.
Fox TV show, but it's Glee. Just truly wild.
And then it doesn't get any better because we close in on,
you know, so they have this big emotional moment where where
Puck is like let go of your pastor no, like keep a hold of your
(40:48):
past, like hold on to it, never let it go.
And Quinn's like, no, I want it gone forever.
I'm going to move in with the Apple King.
And so we find them. You know, we find Puck staring
at the second Finn Hudson Memorial at McKinley High
School. Because there are two.
(41:09):
It must. Be so far.
What about that tree? Yeah, maybe the tree, too.
We come upon Finn's jersey and alittle Finn Hudson plaque in the
locker room, affectionately known on other podcasts of ours
as the Locker Room of Requirement.
And it's just. Wherever you need it to be, it's
just literally. It's.
Fine. Any door you open happens to be
(41:31):
the the locker room. It's great.
We find we come upon Puck in thelocker room staring at this like
memorial of Finn and he and and he and Quinn have yet another
conversation kind of sorta, and he just basically begs her like
I, I, I love you. I want to be with you.
(41:56):
We belong together. These are these are your
friends. We know you come be with us.
And she's like, Nah, I have a pathway to Yale and everything's
cool. And then Puck's like, OK, I'm
going to go be with the rest of our friends.
Shruggie emoji. And he like, walks down the hall
(42:19):
in a very sad, emotional moment.And then, of course, she runs up
behind him and runs him in a bigkiss.
And they have a very wemma foot pop and the whole, the whole
thing. So, you know, we've, we've ended
the episode with Puck and Quinn having gotten back together, I
guess. Sorry, I absolutely missed the
part where Puck beats the crap out of Chase Crawford and throws
(42:40):
him in a dumpster. Throw was like, I guess a nice
nod to what a jerk has been to other characters over the years.
Yeah, except you're rooting for him to do it this time.
Kind of. Yeah, except you're rooting for
him this time. Pilot throwback.
Yeah. I've been surprised.
Or Artie. About how much of this episode
was dedicated to Puck and Quinn.Yeah.
(43:01):
Yeah, cuz they were like these people are never gonna come
back. I was just literally searching
the wiki to see if it was eitherof their final episodes and it
doesn't say it is so. No, because they come back in
season 6 but I don't think that the plan for season 6 had
happened was a was a thing in their heads.
And I also don't think any of these actor cause like this was
(43:23):
also Diana's first time coming back since.
He sang love song that time, yeah.
Yeah, so since since Rachel was convinced not to show off her
boobs. Naked.
Film. Right.
But so this is so this is her like third appearance since she
graduated, right? But it was a whole big to do
(43:48):
outside of the show because she didn't come back for the
quarterback. And it was this whole he said,
she said because she said she wasn't asked back, but Ryan
Murphy said that it was because of scheduling problems.
And like he said that she said no, I wasn't asked back And
like, I would have made it work with my schedule.
(44:09):
So her being back for this was like this massive deal.
And because there was like this little bit of like bad blood
before there, I don't think thatthey actually expected her to
say yes to come back for anything else.
So this is like this massive send off for this character
that, like, was very, very beloved in the first three
seasons, even though, like in Season 3, she's essentially
(44:32):
getting scraps. And she knew that, 'cause I also
remember, we'll talk about toxic, but I also remember one
of the big things, 'cause she was doing a lot of film stuff
around this time. And one of the things that she
said in an interview was that she never wanted to put on a
cheerleading uniform ever again.So then them doing toxic in the
(44:57):
Cheerios outfit, I was like how much money did they give you
Dee? I hope it was enough.
Must have been. I hope, I hope it was enough to
erase the pain and. The trauma.
This was one of the few episodeswritten by all three of RIB.
Since how long? It says the other three are
(45:18):
pilot, showmance and the quarterback.
I'd seen that too, so. Showmance is definitely the odd
man out there. Yeah, that's the one, right?
Yeah, what a weird like. Yeah, one off to throw in there.
So I guess they felt the need tobe like, well it's a historic
episode, let's all get our nameson it and work together to write
(45:39):
Quinn fanfic. Yeah.
I guess that's why it feels kindof disjointed because like you
could say that the A plot is like getting the Glee club back,
but that. Except it's like over here.
Yeah, it's like every every. So I divided my notes into the
diva off Glee club. Quick the two or like 3 Britana
(46:05):
scenes and then miscellaneous and miscellaneous is just like
April jokes. I don't know where this fits
'cause she's just been saying shit and it's like the A plot is
like technically trying to get the Glee club back but really
it's just singing these songs and whatever plot they fit into
(46:26):
and so every scene is like divided into these.
I would actually say the A plot is the deva off.
Yeah, I think so. It's the one that gets the most
time. With the least amount of
consequence like. Who cares literally Canon wise.
Like they literally say like this.
Voting has no bearing on literally anything, ever.
(46:47):
On literally anything. You still don't.
You're not in this Glee club anymore.
You are gonna go back to New York.
You're gonna go back to LA. You're still not friends because
you've never been friends, no matter what your little bathroom
conversation says. No matter how many duets you did
together. Right.
What the fuck are we wasting ourtime on here for?
So do we talk about the dev off?Let's go do it.
(47:10):
So, you know, Mercedes and Rachel have to argue and fight
because that's what they do on the show, whether or not it
makes sense. Yeah, the episode just makes
them clash together for reasons.They're going to re sing.
Is this the third time they do it?
I think so. I think no, I think it's the
(47:32):
second time. I don't think they've done
defying gravity since the first D Boff.
I think it's been referenced a lot.
OK, they sing for good on stage at the Gershwin.
Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
There is like another Wicked episode, but I think this is the
second time they do define gravity.
Also, this is the version of Defying Gravity that was like
outselling the Wicked movie versions for a bit because it
(47:56):
was like the only version with no dialogue.
You can just sing it straight through.
Yeah, I don't know if it's stillout selling, but this is the one
with Rachel, Kurt and Mercedes. That's so fucking iconic.
So funny. Yeah.
That's. Great.
So yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna diva off with Defying
Gravity because that's not boring, I guess.
(48:18):
Like, they still care so much about the opinion of the Glee
club of who these like 10 peoplethinks which one of them is
better at singing, not who's a better person, not who's kinder,
not who's a better person in general.
Who cares about that stuff? Who cares about that stuff?
(48:41):
Who's a better singer? Which is so subjective 'cause
they're so different, right? Anybody can tell that they're
just different types of singers.They're also just like I was, I
want to complain about them acting so childish with the
rules of the sing off and then who gets to sing the song and
(49:02):
then you know, all of these other different stupid details.
But they're literally 19. They don't have fully developed
brains yet and they were never the most level headed people to
begin with. They're also.
Remixing it. No, it's the same fucking
arrangement. I am still just annoyed.
(49:22):
Yeah, yeah, this is so stupid. It's the same song but worse
because again, none of them hit the like high note like that was
the whole. Thing.
Yeah, I have to admit, I I thinkit may be because I'm so sick of
the never ending wicked propaganda that's been happening
(49:43):
for the last like year and a half.
But I fully was just like, I just fast forwarded through the
entire thing. I was just like, I don't need
it. I don't need it.
I don't need it. I have I have Idina Menzel and
Kristen Chenoweth on my like. I don't need this however.
I did. Really love April's comments of
that song. Should be on the Broadway.
(50:04):
Yeah, that was great. Because Queen.
Angel the nod. I listened to it only to hear
Kurt to see what they were gonnado differently with him, which I
guess was to have him sing like 2 lines in the beginning and
then leave him out of the rest of it.
Entirely. I feel I also didn't get the
(50:26):
little voice over right before where both Mercedes and Rachel
were like all my self esteem. Depends on how well this goes.
I was just happy to be there, I started.
Singing and then Kurt singing. I'm like, OK Kurt, self esteem
intact. He didn't need a voice over to
let us know that. He's fine because he didn't.
He beat Rachel with bring him home like 3 weeks ago in
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Showtime. He's fine.
Yeah, they already had their devo off.
He's like, that's settled. Yeah, we're good.
Yeah, and then Shu pulls anotherone of his bullshit maneuvers
where he's like, we're not actually gonna vote.
Right now, we're gonna vote tomorrow.
You guys are gonna sit on it. Yeah.
And then they both have these scenes of like, trying to
(51:10):
convince other people. Why?
They should win. And it's like, OK, then this
isn't about talent. No, they're doing.
Which it never. Won.
Right. Santana has a rant right before
they start. Right at some point she has a
rant. She's very mean.
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Yes. But is she wrong?
No, no. She says you've sold half the
people in the room down the river more times than I can
count. True.
I'm like, no, that's that's true.
And the other half, you don't even know their names.
And she's like, I know. So true.
She points to Ryder. And she's like, what?
(51:54):
Who? Who's he?
Rick. No.
No, sweetie, no. In her defense, I sometimes also
forget his name. Yes.
Also, during Santana's rant, I noticed that there's a shot of
shoe in the background just kindof like shaking his head.
And I was like, you could have prevented this.
You don't get to sit. You could, you don't get to
stand there and like shake your head.
(52:16):
I know they're not your studentsanymore, but you could have cut
Santana off. Yeah.
You. You didn't.
Like he never cuts her off when he was when she was his student.
Yes. And but it's like, you don't get
to like be annoyed that somebodyis like actively being so
(52:37):
harmful if you're not doing anything about it, Rachel says.
You're So go ahead. You're so mean.
They do reveal that they stuffedthe ballot box at prom for prom
queen. And you know what?
That. Didn't surprise me at all.
Not at all. Which I guess I thought they
already knew, but it was becauseit's so embedded in the lore
(53:00):
already. Like, Oh yeah, she didn't win
like. But we we as the audience know.
But Rachel thinks she actually won.
And so. This whole time.
So it's this thing of like, you know, a couple weeks ago it was
revealed to her that Kurt threw that high note for his dad.
And so this so this, this like diva off that she has built her
(53:21):
entire like self esteem on is actually built on a lie.
And then this like other thing that she built probably some
sort of like self esteem in terms of like confidence or like
acceptance of, you know, the school accepts her as a like
somebody who's worthy of winningprom queen, even though she I
don't think she was running, butalso like as Finn's partner,
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also a lie. So it's like this like 1-2 punch
that have come within the same like few months.
But then she says you're so cruel Santana.
You're only doing this because you're a lonely understudy and
I'm the lead. I'm better than you lady like.
Being an understudy for a Broadway opening is like dog
(54:11):
food. Like what?
The understudies work harder, the swings work harder.
Also, that comment by itself would get you dropped from a
storefront show in Chicago, let alone being a Broadway lead.
Like, you don't, you don't get to talk to people like that.
You also don't get to disrespectpeople like that and still be
(54:36):
employable. Granted, Peter Facinelli wasn't
here to like, hear that. Daddy Cullen wasn't here to say
oh, you're fired. But she like, wants out crying.
'Cause she's a victim. Gosh.
She's a victim like, and then Merced and then and then we go
(54:58):
to this bathroom scene. Mercedes going to comfort her is
crazy. She's a better person than I.
I hated this so much like this. No the scene was garbage.
Like talking to her like she isn't the asshole in this is
terrible. Talking to her also then
Mercedes like names all of the people who like are the voices
(55:23):
of her imposter syndrome. And Rachel's like, oh, I would
hate to think that I was one of your tormentors.
Oh, you. Were.
Oh, you. So were you, So were.
Like, I was this the show tryingto gaslight us using the term
vaguely incorrectly, but like, was the show retconning us?
(55:43):
Are they, it was the show being like, no, no, no, no, no.
You just don't understand the relationship.
Like, no, I understand it. I get it.
I watched it. What are you trying to do here?
I I saw how Rachel talked to everybody.
I saw what she did. And also like, why isn't
Mercedes is like like nobody else was, nobody else was
(56:04):
pounding down the door to like talk Rachel off this ledge.
And then like, I don't remember a lot of like, Kurt's stance
within the Santana Rachel feud, but I feel like I would
understand him, A, not wanting to get in the middle and B,
having more important things to do.
Like if you don't see your dad all that often but you live with
(56:25):
Rachel, anytime you're not in the choir room, I just assume
you're hanging out with your dad.
Or his fiance. Or his fiance, I don't know.
Yeah, sounds, you know what sounds like not something that
Rachel's butt monkey would do. But nobody else was like on
Rachel's side here. Nobody else was, like, going to
(56:48):
comfort her. I would love to know if there
was actually any reasoning for why Mercedes would do it or if
it was just like, no, this is the Rachel show.
I think it's the Rachel show andI think it's another, I think
it's a bit like Quinn where we're not going to see Mercedes
again. So let's give her a scene,
(57:09):
right? And we've always used Mercedes
to prop up Rachel. So we have like, this is what we
know how what to do with her. Like the show is never going to
put Mercedes above Rachel. It was never going to end her
time on screen with her triumphing over Rachel.
It's never going to end with them voting for Mercedes over
(57:32):
Rachel. It was never going to end with
Rachel running out in a huff andMercedes being like yeah she
does suck ass like. Sucks to suck.
Sucks, which sucks. I'm making it in LA without
being a little bitch about it. Which is.
I wouldn't love to have seen that.
Though I am, I would have. I know that watching TV is free,
(57:53):
but I would have paid good money.
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