August 27, 2025 • 61 mins
So, wait—this isn't the National Geographic channel?
In 3×14, "More Bad Than Good," the gang goes coyote hunting! Well, more accurately, they go coyote tracking, before Malia's father accidentally traps a kid (or his coyote daughter) in a bear trap.
(Spoiler alert: someone gets caught in a bear trap.)
Allison and Stiles are still very much suffering from the great heart darkness, while Scott seems to have mostly gotten over his. Derek gets rescued by a very helpful ally, but Peter may not get to come along. Get ready for silly, dog-related shenanigans, Kira being unbelievably cute, and some very excellent Stydia and Allisaac moments.
Time to add a new face to the pack!
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You're listening to PAC Dynamics, a Fandom on the Rocks
podcast, diving in on a midweek recording out of nowhere.
Welcome to PAC Dynamics 18 Wolf podcast.
I'm Emily. And I'm Allison.
And this is season 3 episode 14,More Bad than good.
More bad than good. It's really funny.
I was, I opened this episode andI read More Bad Than Good and my
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brain immediately went, isn't itmore harm than good?
Which then took me to the first do no harm, the doctor's oath.
And then, you know, it's just all very timely because both
Emily and I are experiencing polite medical events in our
homes. And so it's just really a full
circle moment, a full circle moment.
Everyone's OK, everyone's OK by the way, like please don't
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worry. We're like everyone's doing as
OK as they can be, but. Vague harm.
Vague harm, but it's just a big it's just a big circle of things
that all tie together. I love it.
Isn't that OK? So we have follow the train more
harm than good. The physician's oath.
Peter is in the opening scene. Oh boy, isn't isn't Twilight,
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isn't Peter the is that not Peter the the dad of the?
Vampires. That's Carlisle.
Yeah, but oh shit, it is Carlisle.
It's Carlisle. I I don't think there might be.
I don't know. Isn't there a Peter in Twilight?
Oh, because that's actor is Peter.
That's where my brain was going.There you go.
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OK. Peter Facinelli is Carlisle.
OK, I was like, no, no, no. His name is Carlisle.
I'm not entirely sure what else is happening.
No, but the actor is Peter Facinelli.
See, there you go. And he, Carlisle, is a doctor.
That's what my brain was trying to get to.
Yeah, see, it's all it's all onebig circle of medical maladies
and mysteries. Yes, medical and mystery, I
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believe is another podcast probably out there.
Yeah. So this episode more bad than
good. Scott and his friends race to
figure out how to catch the Wearcoyote before it's haunted down
while Derek and Peter are brokenout of captivity by an unlikely
ally. Episode aired January 12th,
2014. So we just dive right back in
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where we left off. We really do.
Episode No time has passed. Literally no time has passed and
I try really hard to be patient with the early episodes of a
season because they have to set up everything and I'm just like,
Oh my God, come on guys, let's go.
Yeah, let's go. What are we doing here?
We are treated, I guess treated is one word to be used to more
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ABS. I guess there's.
A lot of ABS, real nice. You know that a low camera angle
up. What's less nice is that they're
constantly being, you know, likeelectrocuted.
And it's just, it's a bad torture chamber movie all
around. We do learn that Derek speaks
Spanish. Like she said.
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So yeah, he speaks a little Spanish and the nice gentleman
in the torture basement keeps asking the hails about La Loba,
which is Spanish for like a female wolf.
A Lobo is a male wolf and a Lobois a female wolf.
So it's like a specific genderedwolf.
And Derek understands this and is like she is a question mark
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and Peter doesn't know anything and is a fucking SAS master
about it and it almost gets him sawed in half.
Yes, not by a bronze sword this time, but by a chainsaw.
And the face, like Derek's face,just like you did this yourself,
man. I can't believe that.
Yeah, Wilder. Derek's faces equal parts like
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shut the fuck up and dude, I can't help you.
I can't help you like I'm stuck.Dude, yeah, bye.
Yeah, this is on you, man. So, you know, the, the torture
gentlemen are kind of narrowing in on the hails.
And Ian walks the leader, 'causeshe's got, you know, she's got
that, that posture, she's got that vibe.
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He starts talking to Derek. She knows Derek and in Spanish,
like, 'cause he's like sassing at her.
It's like, I don't speak any Spanish in Spanish.
And she looks at him and goes, you speak a lot of languages,
Derek Hale. And in that moment my notes go
into all caps. She says.
Derek speaks many languages. Cannon, cannon, cannon.
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Yes, Cannon. Derek Hale.
Cannon Derek Hale is a multilingual fella, which
doesn't come up anywhere else, like ever.
But it is in fact cannon that Derek speaks more than one
language. And apparently his Spanish is
not bad, no? Seems to be pretty good.
She keeps asking where is the she wolf and then calls Derek
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Lobito. Which I think is the cutest
thing I've ever heard. It's adorable and I'm kind of
sad that it gets used by a bad guy and not like styles.
Like a good yeah. Lovito is freaking adorable.
It just it's Spanish for Little Wolf.
It is. It's so cute.
It's. It's like, you know, in fake
when everybody call, you know, every, every grown up calls a
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little kids pup. It's the same vibe.
It's just pup in Spanish and it's so cute and you just know
that it's going to end up hurting him.
You just you know this coming in.
It's adorable. Like why did you have to use it?
Why can't one of like the good guys is adorable so.
It's real cute. She she knows that Derek's not
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going to talk because he's too cool for school.
Peter, however, is a piece of shit and could probably be
persuaded, and she starts by by cutting off a finger.
Yeah, they, they have this, like, little sass master
interplay where he's like, you're not going to talk.
This one loves the sound of his own voice.
It's like, I have a lovely singing voice.
And then he, you know, they keepgoing back and forth and Peter
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just resigns like no one ever wants to hear me sing.
I would. I would hear.
I would listen. I would also listen and so would
Chris Argent. But yeah, this, this boss lady
has absolutely no time for PeterHale and cuts off a finger.
Yep. Mm hmm.
Bummer. And it's like, I'm only going to
ask you 9 more times because he's got nine more fingers, you
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know, we aren't sure if he can grow that back or put it back
on. Yeah, I we've no idea.
We've absolutely no idea. Like what's going on?
So. So the question that we're
asking is, who is the she wolf? Like she's got like a title.
She's got like a, you know, she's supposed to be this like
mystical, magical. She's a specific person and no
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one says her name. Nope, can't have names here.
Like, it's a real good chance that like, murder friends,
basement friends know who they're talking about.
Derek and Peter think they know who they're talking about, and
the audience is like the. Fuck is this.
Who are we talking about? I think we're going to get our
wires crossed a few more times and then I'm going to get angry.
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So. Is it this person?
No. This person No.
Yeah. What do you mean?
What do you mean? It's not this person that my
entire defense strategy has beenaround this person.
What are you talking about? Tis the season for obfuscation
for zagging miscommunication. The worst trope is
miscommunication. Worse in a romantic setting or
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in a torture basement setting. It is.
You're right, Miscommunication is the worst and we, every every
romance writer out there stop it.
Stop it. It's not interesting and we're
tired of it. No miscommunication and no
cheating. Yes, stop it.
We're done. It's old.
Get it out of there. We're done.
Absolutely not. There are so many more.
Interesting things if you are. If you are writing something and
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you're like wow, I want to introduce conflict between 2
characters and you can't figure out how to do it, have one of
them get abducted by aliens. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Just like out of no, it doesn't
have to be real, of course not. But then that unspools into like
a do you believe me? Do you not believe me?
Do you trust me? Was it a dream?
Was it real? Like there's so many more
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interesting things that is way more interesting than you hooked
up with a guy at work. Like stop it.
Please stop. It I think you hooked up with a
guy at work. Or I overheard our friend
talking about a guy who hooked up with somebody at work.
It's over. We're done.
Come on Lobito, we can be betterthan this.
Lobito so cute. So also picking up right where
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we left off speaking Styles. Speaking of lobby, Scott and
Styles running through the woodslooking for a wear coyote.
They have found her den, a den, the den, and they find clothing
and a teddy bear. Yeah, her little her little kid
jacket. Little kid jacket that they
think belongs to Malia and Scottis like, I can track her scent
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now because I've got the stuff. I guess we have to believe that
scent lingers out in the woods with all of the stuff that
happens in the woods for eight years.
I mean, like the show. No, she has been coming back to
that den. That's where she lives.
Her scent is fresh. That's true.
You're right. That's.
True. Yeah, Yeah, because they talk
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about, you know, she's been a. Okay, but she's been a wolf.
Wasn't there something about in another episode or a coyote
about the difference between human scent, wolf scent?
Well, no, because it's inferred by the audience who keeps
getting angry at why Derek can'tsmell that Peter and the Alpha
are the same person. Oh, that's right.
That was the fan. And it's like, how come?
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How come he can't figure this out?
Stupid. So I no, I think because they
talk about well, you know, we just came into Worden.
It smells like us now. It doesn't smell like her
anymore and they don't need to have like human Malia and coyote
Malia don't smell the same, but it doesn't matter as long as you
can track the you're tracking the coyote like they're tracking
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the coyote and the den smells like coyote.
So there's. Like.
That's later. That's Isaac and Styles is, you
know, trying to think, you know,because Scott's convinced like
we are. We have smelled all over her
house. She's not coming back.
And Styles was like, well, if she's not coming home, where
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she's going to go? That's a good question.
Good question. He's got them brains.
Got them brains and. They're also like, if this is a
crime scene, then in the Sheriff's Department.
Only one of our fathers should be present at this crime.
Invest at this crime investigation.
The correct father. Correct.
Yeah, so they also talk about, you know, how this accident
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really could have happened and if it was Kid Malia transforming
into a wear coyote in the car during the full moon, which is
when the accident happened and causing the accident accident
simply because she scared the shit out of her mother, which is
valid. Super valid, although I can
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immediately thwart this theory by using my small human brain.
Yes. So when Scott and Styles find
the car in the last episode, Scott measures the claws in the
side of the car. Like they're my big man hands.
Big hands. Little 8 year old baby girl
would not have had those hands. Yeah, they are big.
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They like match up to his the width of his fingers.
His like 1617 year old man handslike that is not those are not
the hands of an 8 year old girl.Like eventually they'll put
they'll patch pieces together. But mostly I think they were
just really hoping we would ignore all of this.
Sure. Yeah, totally.
And I'm happy to ignore it untilthey bring it back around.
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Yeah, and I, it was, it was kindof a bummer when he, when Scott
sees that vision of himself hurting a small child 'cause
he's still, he's so worried about like losing control and he
gets this flash of himself in the woods kind of hunched over a
child. Pete.
Peter. Style, Peter.
Style. Yeah, it's not, you know, it's a
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worry. What is a healthy and rational
fear? Yeah.
Like this isn't this is not an irrational fear.
Like if he is a creature of the night and has been having
trouble lately containing his creature of the night like some
other creatures of the night, heknows this is a healthy and
rational fear. It is.
Yeah, he is just trying to keep everybody safe.
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He is trying his best. Unfortunately.
Everyone, everyone's most troubling dads come to town,
Mrs. Tate and McCall. Yes, unfortunately, the two
worst. Are these the two worst ads?
They're not the worst ads, but they're like.
They're not the worst dads, but they're definitely the most
inconvenient dads at this particular time.
Yeah, they are not helpful because Detective Dickhead rolls
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up with Mr. Tate. Whose name?
Whose first name? I just don't know.
Henry, I think. Sure, Well, take it.
Why not? And he they he identifies the
evidence in The Cave as as Malia's and and McCall,
Detective McCall, Special Agent McCall.
One of the Agent McCall? Yeah, the leader, Special agent.
I don't know. Special Agent You know what?
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As an X-Files fan, he does not deserve Special Agent.
He's. Just regular agent.
He's just regular agent. He really expects Bones to be
found and not a a living girl. And he has this line about the
truth is always better than not knowing.
And he's right. He is right.
I'm mad. I'm mad.
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And he's right. And this is something that the
the Teen Wolf groups, the various groups have also stuck
to, so they can't be totally upset with his logic.
Yeah. That that does suck, but he
should butt out because he's annoying.
I will say though, in this particular scene he is looking
like a stone cold fox. OK, troubling.
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He is hot. He's gorgeous.
That man is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful busman of
manliness. Alyssa was not.
Wrong. She was not wrong.
She was not personality. Showed up.
Yeah. Well, for the moment, we're
going to have to just, you know,except that he's a cutie and
he's trying his best. Even though we disagree with
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whatever, we just know that he was in a losing battle against
Melissa McCall. And so like, until Melissa gives
us the go, like he's he's persona Nagata, like, no thank
you. Exactly.
So because it's still early in the season, they're still going
to class. Scott and Styles kind of let
Allison know where they found the Coyote den and she's like,
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oh, it's in the middle of the hiking trails, which is kind of
interesting. Like I would have thought Malia
would have holed out somewhere quieter, but it I think it's
probably closer to the car. Probably, yeah.
And remember that she would havemade this decision at 8:00.
At 8, yes, this is true, and they have this cute little
conversation about how smart coyotes are and if they don't
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want to be heard, they tiptoe. It's adorable and Allison's like
eye rolly hair flippy. They tiptoe is iconic.
Super iconic. I have no idea if this is
actually true about coyotes and I don't care to look it up
because I like it. I we have coyotes we have.
Coyotes in Norse in Norse land. Not to my.
I haven't seen one lately, but. We have them, my friend who
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lives just a few blocks away hasa a coyote on the regular when
she takes her dog out. I mean, like, we definitely have
coyotes in my homeland. Yeah, yeah.
I was going to say, yeah, you do.
And apparently, according to theInternet, coyotes do tiptoe.
I love it. There's also a song called
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Coyotes by Modest Mouse. That seems fair.
That seems right. But yeah, Coyotes tiptoe or
walk, touching the ground with only their toes in what is known
as digit grating. Why can't scientists just call
it tiptoe? And why do they have to call it
digit grating? I would imagine because they're
they're technically scientifically different things.
Whatever. I don't, I don't know, man.
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I don't know. Ask.
Trying to be all smart and shit.Ask Science.
Well, we saw that our little coyote was looking up at the big
moon at the end of the last scene, and she was not having a
great time. So.
She's gonna, she's gonna need everything, every benefit that
she can have right now. Yes, speaking.
Of unbridled benefits. Yeah, Miss.
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Kira Yukimura being the cutest creature on the planet.
She bounces up to Scott before class because she's done some
research on the bardo, but only a couple of hours.
Just a few. Just like just a couple hours of
research. She's so cute.
And then world's best wingman, Ken Yukimora.
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Fucking dad, Oh my God. I love him, I love her so.
Much he's like, oh, here's that research you did for that boy.
You like shut off Dad. Shut off Dad.
Oh my God. My God.
Like I forgot, I didn't, I forgot, but I didn't forget.
But I forgot, I really like thatwe're focusing again on the teen
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part of Teen Wolf. Totally.
Yes, it's so. Refreshing.
Yeah, 100%. It's so great.
It's it's honestly really nice. Did you OK?
I noticed this in the last episode and didn't say anything
'cause I just wanted to be sure.Is she wearing a hail leather
jacket? Yes, she is.
OK. Absolutely Kira.
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Kira is part of the hail. She's part of the hail pack.
I don't know what to. Tell you, I'm just saying like
she had one on last episode which was I guess the day before
and she's got one on today, which is the same day or the
next day. The next day.
One of my favorite things in like second-half second wave
fandom, you know, 'cause the first wave fandom was pre 3B and
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then there's after P3B and then we get into like season 5 fandom
stuff. But in in like this and later,
one of my favorite things is that so many fic will feature
Kira and Derek as like, old besties.
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Like, yeah, because the Yuki Moras and the Hales and
whatever. And it's just so cute.
It's so soft. And I love them both so much.
But yes, she is in fact wearing the Hale Pack leather jacket.
Yeah, it just, I just wanted to make sure that I was not crazy,
'cause like she is. I mean, like, to the best of my
knowledge, yeah. OK, great.
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Just, you know, putting that outthere.
Yeah. So they are learning about
internment camps and PO WS whichI I don't remember how this fits
into the series and maybe it just doesn't.
OK great. Because I also just found this
to be a geographically accurate Lesson plan because I, it
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doesn't seem like people, and maybe this isn't true, but just
from people I've talked to over the years, people like Midwest,
East Coast don't learn about this part of American history as
much as we do on the West Coast,right?
Because we had Japanese internment camps and we learn
about them in California, Oregonand Washington because like,
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that's our shitty fucking history.
So we had go through these lesson plans and then I've met
people from other states who arelike, Oh yeah, we didn't, we
didn't learn about that. Like, oh, Yikes.
So I was just like, Oh yeah, that would be something that a
Northern Californian high schoolwould have learned about.
Yeah. But then I was like, oh, it's
probably have to do with the series and I just cannot
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remember. It it trust me when I tell you
it comes back. Yeah, now, like I'm sure as I
rewatch, I'm gonna be like, oh, right, it's this whole thing.
And I just couldn't. I couldn't grasp it.
Yes, it does. You're gonna, you're gonna make
those noises. And you're correct.
Great super. So Mr. Yukimoto calls on styles,
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obviously, because why wouldn't he to read out loud in front of
the class? And even if Styles wasn't having
his issues, this is a nightmare.Yes, correct.
This is an absolute nightmare. I mean, like, I don't know, it
wasn't as much of a nightmare for me, I think, as it was for
other people because I really like reading out loud.
Oh, OK. I find it easy, I find it fun
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and I'm pretty good at it. Yeah.
And so it was never this like inpanic and do same thing for me
like it was for a lot of my classmates.
Sure. It was after a nightmare for
styles. I think after doing this podcast
now I'd be much more chill aboutit talking out loud.
Reading ad copy. Just let it ride.
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Just like or just talking out loud AD nauseam.
Yes, it takes practice. It takes practice and I, you
know, have a little lispy situation sometimes and you
just, like, let it roll and not get caught up on it sometimes.
Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah.
So Styles goes up there and the whole page blurs in front of him
and the letters start sliding down the page and it's panic
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inducing and even watching it was panic inducing.
And that is such like we'll talkabout it here at a scene or two,
but they, the whole production team did such a good job.
It looks really cool. I mean, it looks awful, but it
looks great and actually this. Gives you the feeling you're
supposed to have. It does, and it and it rolls
into this next scene because Scott notices that he's sliding
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into a panic attack and he's like on this like slow MO plus
jittery, staccato, panicking camera motion.
It's like it's so. Good.
It's slow motion and then it like fast cuts and then it like
shakes and then it it's so that he's like you're you are
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experiencing the way that he is seeing the world and it's just
so good. I don't know if there's actually
missing frames, but it feels like there's missing frames.
Absolutely. Like the whole the, you know,
Dylan O'Brien, like doing the kind of stumbling, stuttering,
like launching himself forward and shaking is one thing, but in
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post production they speed up and slowed down and cut things
out to give you that feeling. And it was so good.
I do. I do want to throw one up for
Mr. Scott McCall, who is trying to be the world's best friend.
He loves Styles so much, he really does like everyone's
looking out for. They're all worried about each
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other. And Scott immediately notices
that something is wrong and immediately takes action to fix
it. And then proceeds to walk Styles
through a panic attack, Which I just, I love for him 'cause, you
know, after Scott had his panic attack in season 1 and Styles
had his panic attack in season 3, you know that Scott started
reading up on panic attacks. Yep.
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Like Scott talked to Style, he talked to the sheriff and was
like, what do we do? How do we fix it?
How do we deal with this? Yeah, that's your bud.
And I just, I'm so I just love him so much for this.
I do too. Something else that I didn't
notice the first time that I noticed this time when Styles
starts to have his like panic moment and Scott like rushed him
out of the classroom, Mr. Yukimura is paying attention.
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Like he, the the camera cuts to him and he's like looking at
Styles and Scott in a way that'slike not just like a worried
teacher, but like. Curious.
He's like his little. His little antenna's like whoop.
OK, I didn't notice that, but cool.
OK. Mr. Mr. Yukimura was paying
attention and I was paying attention to him.
Paying attention. And I was also paying attention.
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Attention. I noticed you're noticing.
Thank you for noticing. I think one of the the most, I
don't want to say it's the best thing about getting old as fuck,
but one of the interesting things about getting older and
watching and re watching media is I think your attention
naturally drifts to the adult characters when it didn't when
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you were closer to the age of the protagonists.
And for something like Glee, you're still going to hate Mr.
Shuster. Oh yeah.
I think you're, I mean, I don't want to say he's designed to be
hateable, but like, come on. But for more like watch him, the
more you're angry at Emma for leaving the dentist.
Yes, absolutely. Or like, yes, or even Sue
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Sylvester, you're like, OK, you can't talk to the students like
that, but maybe they deserve it.Like I love you but also hard
pass. Yeah, like, OK, you, you, you
can't say that, but I get why you want to, right.
Like, so watching Teen Wolf as we're not middle-aged, but we're
getting there. We're getting there, the
teachers and the parents, and even if we don't have children,
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'cause you're just like, man, whoa, these kids, this sucks for
them and they're. Just they're, they're children,
they're children, children. And then you're watching the
adults who are now like your ageor closer to it and they, they
just act more. I don't know.
It's, it's a fascinating way that you naturally kind of fall
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into a rewatch and, and notice the behavior of adults in a way.
I think you just can't when you're a teenager watching these
or 20 something. And I think that's some, I think
that's a great addition to rewatches of TV shows.
Absolutely. I don't think it works if you
tried to rewatch Barney though. No, probably not, but I'd be
interested to rewatch like Sesame Street and kind of look
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at it that way. That would be interesting.
Oh that would be fun. I've never really watched Sesame
Street. Anyway.
Sorry. No, it's OK.
Me too. So Scott is trying to talk
Styles down from a real bad panic attack, because Styles has
been just not sleeping and not dreaming and not living in
Everything's a Dream about Nothing's a Dream the whole time
for the last several weeks. And they're trying to figure out
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how to Styles tell if he's dreaming.
And we establish, you know, thatyou can't read in dreams, but
you have to count your fingers. You have extra fingers in
dreams. And Scott is like, OK, I got
this, let's do it. And so Scott and Styles start
counting Scott's fingers. And Styles is coming to breathe.
And Scott is just Styles's anchor here.
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And I just love this so much forthem.
Yeah, it's really good. And.
He's got 10 fingers. He's got 10 fingers and Styles
immediately breaks and calms down and does a nice little
succinct wrap up of everybody's really bad couple of days that
Scott can't transform, Allison seeing visions of her dead aunt
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and Styles is straight up losinghis mind.
Yep, yeah, it's it's a lot for everybody in this like Scott or
Styles really kind of falling into this.
We can't do anything. We can't help Malia, we can't
help anyone, which kind of mirrors Motel California with
Scott being like, can't, I can'tdo anything and there's nothing.
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I'm useless. And now it's Scott saying, But
we can try, we can always try, 'cause they're Bros.
'Cause they're just, they love each other so much.
It's great, I love them. But the back in the classroom,
Kira grabs styles bag. Both of them.
Both of their bags. And then she goes out into the
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hallway. But now like, the hallway is
fucking dark. It's a ghost town.
And it's it was like no students, dark ass hallway.
There are no lights, but there is a coyote in the hallway and
the coyote just like bursts through the glass of the door of
I think she's in the locker roomof Requirement.
She's in the locker. She's in the boys locker room of
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Requirement. Uh huh.
Yeah, and, you know, obviously Scott appears and pushes over
the lockers to save her. And the the baby doll from the
the Coyote den is in his bag. It's yeah, Styles his bag.
It's in somebody's bag. Somebody's bag.
That coyote is growling and roaring and chasing Kira, and
she's hiding and she gets rescued.
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And my, my first thing was, you know, Scott comes in to rescue
Kira and shoves the lockers overand I'm like, OK, cool, Scott.
It's cool to kill people as longas they're coyotes.
I know. He's gonna be fine.
Yeah, I think that was his thingbecause I was like, I don't
think that that that's it's in your code of ethics, Sir, but
like, OK, her off. Yeah, she's fine.
(28:46):
She's. Fine, yeah, like surprise, Yeah,
But then we do have to go back to to dungeon extension.
Time Murder basement. Murder Basement.
Where Peter cannot keep his mouth shut and is asking the
kidnapper to put his finger on ice for him.
Which, you know, is fair. He's going to.
He's going to want to put that back on somehow.
He wants some pain medications or some antibiotic ointment.
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Yeah, meanwhile Derek just looksfucking gorgeous.
Oh yeah, he's very pretty. Just listening to Peter just
being an idiot. So well lit, a perfect Sheen of
sweat. I kind of feel inappropriate
looking at him like this. He's awful pretty.
It just doesn't seem right. But yeah, so there's like,
scuffling up above them and the kidnappers start shooting
(29:31):
through the ceiling and then someone bursts through.
I don't know if you got door or like, an entrance of some sort
in here. And it is someone whose name I
don't think ever actually got said on the TV show, but it's
Brayden. Hi, Brayden.
This is the woman who saved Isaac way back in tattoo so the.
3. Three.
(29:51):
One. Yeah. 3A1.
And was definitely not killed byDekalian.
I guess not 'cause she absolutely was.
Killed and she absolutely has the next scars to prove it.
Yeah, apparently slitting throats is like a maybe the
show. Basically, we'll get back to
(30:12):
that here in a couple of episodes.
Yeah. But they focus on Derek's like
so Braden gets this like beautiful, like, you know,
glamour shot and Derek Derek also gets one and that man is in
source old. It apparently doesn't take much
for him, does it? No, no, Derek sees one woman who
has a goal and is like, I'd likethat one, please.
(30:36):
And given his track record. Given his track record.
He should really not. Phone a friend, guys, phone a
friend. Like anyone, he should just
stop. Like, like bring her to bring
her to Scott. Be like, this is our first date.
What is your friend doing here? Like, hi, my name is Scott
McCall. I have to make sure you're not a
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bad guy. What do you mean, a bad guy?
Derek's got a kind of a track record.
Basically like, could you sniff this one out because it's never
good. So she decides to kind of fill
us in a little bit because Derek, I DS her, is the one who
saved Isaac and she goes, I was the one who was hired to save
Isaac and apparently, apparentlyDukalian hired her to save
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Derek. Yes I have.
I have questions. Yeah, yeah, everyone has
questions. Yeah, that's that's the story
and the show is sticking to it. Yeah, so.
But Braden's also really chill and definitely decides to save
Peter too, because you know, shecan't.
Because the show demands. Yeah, because the show demands.
We would be really sad without Peter.
It's true. So then she's like, or the guys
(31:45):
are like, we're not, No, she says.
Right. We're not leaving without it.
Without what? No, they they do.
We're not leaving without. It they're the ones that don't
want to leave without it and Braden's like, what the fuck are
you talking about? So there's another super secret
thing that they're going to haveto get to.
Should we just stick with them because their storyline is just
completely separate from everybody else?
(32:06):
'S it sure is. So they end up somewhere else,
dark and not well lit. Probably in the upstairs of the
murder basement. Do we think?
Because like, it's not labeled there, you can't tell where the
fuck they are. But yeah, so it's the three of
them and in a room, and there isa chest, a big old chest made
(32:28):
from a Rowan tree that the wolves can't touch because Rowan
is mountain ash. So Derek tries to open the box
and it zaps him and we're and and the group collectively goes
thank you Brayden for being a human.
Yeah, basically, because inside the chest is just pure mountain
ash. And I absolutely adored the way
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Peter and Derek looked at her inunison.
Yes, it was flawless. Yeah, it was incredible.
So she reaches into the the ash and pulls out a thing.
It's a little box. It's a smaller box.
A something that has the Triskell Triskele stamped on
top. It's a box inside another.
(33:10):
Box. It's a box in a box in a in in a
mansion with a dungeon. And that's that's where they
leave off for this episode. So apparently Derek and Peter
got kidnapped and tortured trying to get a box.
Yes. So I hope it was worth it for
them. And we don't know how they know
about this box, why they were searching for this box.
(33:32):
What's in it? What's in it?
Who told them? Did they already know about it?
Where is Cora in the search for the box?
No idea. Absolutely no idea.
Yeah, don't know anything, but they found shirts.
Hurray. So that's that's good.
So back at the school, the cops have shown up.
I I guess because there was a coyote.
I would think that like animal enforcement, you know, not Yeah,
(33:55):
but. It's it's a small town, you know
anything. Is also animal enforcement.
Yeah. And the sheriff's like, hey,
Styles, you, you really need to be sure that this is a girl and
not an animal because otherwise she's it's getting put down.
And Styles is sure because Scottsure all.
(34:16):
Because they're Bros. Because they're Bros, they're
besties and. Then.
It turns out that Mister Tate shows up at the school for
reasons. Stop it.
And he's got a gun. Yeah, and he's got a gun.
And he's like you. You got to find that thing.
But The thing is his daughter. Deep sigh.
I do really appreciate the smashcut though, because we talk
(34:37):
about like how he has a gun and then it smash cuts to Allison in
her dad's office with a bigger gun with.
A bigger gun? What is a tranquilizer gun?
Some sort of rifle? Slightly different, but yes,
still, he's got a little gun andAllison's got a big gun.
Big gun. So it turns out that Deaton is
supplying them with horse tranquilizer.
(34:59):
So love this. Love this to them.
And Deaton has the tranquilizer.Obviously.
Isaac is a little worried about Allison's aim.
Rightfully, because she's been alittle shaky.
And then Lydia, which we don't love.
She did try to kill Lydia. She also tried to kill Isaac.
(35:20):
Only in her dreams. Well, you know, not great.
Not great. Styles comes out with the what
is the point of him asides from persistent negativity and the
scarf, It's like 65° out point establishing Canon Isaac and his
scarves. Yes, Isaac and his summer
scarves, even though 65° is not a summer temperature, but it's
(35:42):
incredible. And the like SAS mastering
between Styles and Isaac. This episode in particular is
incredible. I do love the potential for a
Scott Styles Isaac kind of triadabout, you know, I love you and
he loves you, but I hate this guy.
So the sex will be great. I love it.
(36:03):
And then for my favorite conversation of the whole wide
episode, We need a real Alpha. I was going.
To say like which one? There's a ton of them.
Yeah, but so Scott talks about how he's just not able to wolf
out at all because he's, you know, losing control and he
doesn't want to get stuck that way.
And so Styles comes in with we, we need a real alpha.
And Scott's like. Yeah, how dare you?
(36:25):
An alpha who can do real alpha things.
An alpha who can get it. And then Isaac supplies up.
And they're all thinking about Derek.
And they're all thinking about Derek, and I'm just sitting here
going like, you know, guys, you could have just done this.
It would have been fine. It would have been fine, would
have been fine. Styles still thinks about Derek
(36:47):
in a sexual context. Pass it on.
Absolutely he does. And of course they had to bring
the twins up 'cause they are also Alpha's well, and Deaton's
like actually they're not, I guess because sort of dying, not
kind of dying bring bring brought back to life took the
alpha out of. Them.
(37:07):
And they sacrificed that power like Derek did so.
And no one has seen them for weeks.
Smash cut 2 The Loft. Who has keys to the loft?
Styles, Lydia. Yeah, so Derek's just.
Don't talk to me. Don't perceive me.
Don't. I can't.
I cannot. Yeah, they Derek just left them
(37:28):
the keys to the loft. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Smash cut to my brain that
Styles and Lydia are sleeping inDerek's bed 'cause they're sad.
Oh, absolutely. When?
When Styles can't sleep in his own bed 'cause he's afraid goes
to the loft. Yeah, I've heard that, Victoria.
I'm sure I have. Oh yeah, so the twins are there
and just decide to kick the shitout of Scott as soon as he shows
(37:50):
up because this is how Dukalian taught them to.
I I guess be big strong alphas is to like, give in and let go.
Give in to the wolf and take a beating.
They were like become everythingyou're afraid of.
Giving in lets you control it because you can't control it.
You turn into an animal and they're like, or worse, Peter.
(38:12):
Or worse, you turn into Peter and that's literally the core of
Scott's giant fear. That's his big scary, you know,
door opening mind. Thing is that Scott will turn
into a monster like Peter and not be able to stop it or
control it. I big props to the writers who
went back and read and watched their own show.
Styles does call back to heart monitor about peddling, like
(38:37):
pulting him with lacrosse balls.Yep, we tried this before.
Remember, they remembered. I love it them.
And so, you know, they continue to beat the living hell out of
Scott. And then I think it's Aiden.
So Ethan pulls back and then Aiden, just like, keeps punching
him for reasons. Oh yeah, He just needed to get
(38:58):
that out. He.
Just needed to get that out. And so, you know, Ethan pulls
him back. It's like, I thought we were
helping him. It's you helped too much.
You helped too much. Love this for them.
Yeah. And just the utter beaten,
broken face of Scott is so heartbreaking.
Yeah, but I guess it worked. I mean like maybe.
(39:19):
Maybe we'll find out. We'll find out.
Meanwhile, Mr. Tate is out theresetting up bear traps in the
woods. Stop it.
Because he sucks. Come on, Mr. Tate, you don't
need to do this. I feel like a bear trap is a
little too intense for a coyote.Oh yeah, for sure.
Just yeah. Yikes.
It it's a lot. Allison and Isaac are back in
(39:42):
her dad's office, setting up forthe shot with the gun and the
syringe and you know all that, and Allison is shaking so bad
that she can't load the darts. Yeah.
And she drops the vial of tranquilizer and goes under the
table to pick it up. And then when she pops back up,
she's in the morgue again. Oops.
(40:03):
Whoopsie doodle. This is this is a lot of scene.
Yes, it was because Allison is like in the morgue and there's a
body on the table under a sheet and she goes to the goes to the
table and she lifts up the sheetand then all of a sudden it's
her on the sheet, She's on the slab and and her entire chest
(40:24):
cavity is like set open in one of those like things they use
for surgery. And it it and her aunt Kate is
the surgeon and talking about, you know, her cause of death.
And then the whole surgery team decides to undo their little
masks, and they're all werewolves, including Kate.
(40:45):
And then they're just eating at her organs.
Yep, just devouring her whole. I just, I don't, I don't get it.
I don't get it. But then we get back to we get
back to reality and Allison has the trank gun shot like aimed
directly at Isaac's face. Yep, Yep, just about to fire
(41:07):
right at him. Kaplowy.
And he's like, let me help you. It's real cute.
It's real cute. There So there is a line,
though, when Doctor Doctor zombie Kate Arjun is taking out
fake dream Allison's heart, she says there's definitely
something wrong with it. Ouch.
It's kind of an interesting fearthat Allison must have about
(41:28):
herself. Ouch.
Yeah, it's rough. Everybody hates themselves on
the show. So everyone, team, team
Werewolf, team team Teen Wolf rolls up to the preserve to do
their jobs. Lydia is the only one who's a
little worried that they are doing episode of the title rolls
more harm than good, although she says more harm, not more
(41:49):
bad, but whatever. Maybe because saying we're doing
more bad than good would be. That's not Lydia.
Yeah, that's not Lydia. But yeah, they're, they're ready
to do their their different parts for this confrontation.
The sheriff, however, is confronting Mr. Tate about the
trap because a jogger almost stepped in it and lost a leg.
(42:12):
Luckily, they didn't, but it turns out Tate has set up, like,
dozens of them in the preserve. It's hard to tell how.
Expensive. Must that have been a?
Lot seemed like a lot. Let's see, bear trap cost, I
don't know, like three $400 each?
Yikes. Yeah, I mean depending on
(42:33):
quality. I don't know.
I don't want this in my Google search anymore though.
So they have a really interesting conversation that I
would have loved like 10 minuteson because you're getting, you
know, sheriff versus like concerned citizen and then it
turns into dad versus dad. Yeah.
Because, you know, Styles has been having a rough time, and
(42:56):
Mr. Tate's been having a rough time.
And the sheriff yells some kid could die in one of these.
And Mr. Tate shoots back. My kid died.
Yeah, I mean. Like.
She. Did she?
Did he lost his daughter? I don't know why.
Yeah. Like, and at this point, you're
like, I don't agree with your methods, but you want closure,
(43:19):
you want answers, which is why he's teaming up with Agent
McCall. Like, he just wants this done.
He thought it was done, and now some stupid kids and some
useless sheriff are getting it all back up again.
He's done. He's done.
And I don't agree with his methods, but I understand where
he's coming from. Yeah.
But it turns out that Mister Tate went buck wild and put bear
(43:41):
shots all over the woods, and then he's now out there with
with a rifle, just like outside with a gun.
Because the coyote has has shownup with the baby doll that Tate
had taken from Styles. Because Styles had taken it from
the den, so that. Scott Car, yeah.
(44:02):
Yeah, it was a whole, it was a whole series of who took the
baby doll from the den. Tate ended up with it as like a
a memento of his family. But that coyote wanted it back.
So Tate Tate runs after the coyote back into the woods.
And Papa calls Styles on the phones like, hey, so maybe stay
(44:25):
out of the woods and styles likestanding in the middle of the
woods going like, yeah, I'll totally consider that option.
Yeah, I will do that immediately.
And Sheriff also tells Styles that the coyote took the doll
again, which is important because that helps Styles click
onto that. It's the doll, and she's like
the doll, the doll. And then he figures something
(44:48):
out. And Lydia helps him though,
because he has a photo from the house and that it wasn't Malia
holding the doll, it was her younger sister.
And Lydia Martin is looking flawless, stunning in this
entire scene. Gorgeous.
And Styles figures out that thatthe coyote is returning the doll
(45:09):
to the car to the scene of the accident, like bringing flowers
back to a grave because it's like the one last bit of of
family that she has, which is. So Ouch.
Speaking of Ouch, Isaac has finally caught Malia's scent
because Isaac had some like pee that he was able to sniff.
(45:33):
Yeah. Yeah, and he is booking it
through the woods and Allison's running after him.
And then Isaac gets caught in one of the bear.
Traps sure does. Ouch Kebables.
And that makes him roar out in pain, which gets to Scott and
make Scott crash his bike. Mm hmm.
So just a lot happening really fast because Lydia has also
(45:57):
stepped in a trap but has caughtherself before she I guess
disengages the the weight plate and she's like styles, you have
to disarm this. And she's like, you have to look
for a label with instructions onhow to do it.
It's like, why would there be a label?
Because animals can't read and. My notes read well right now.
(46:19):
Neither kids styles. So me too.
It's like neither good styles, but this this little monologue
from Lydia is so sweet, getting like right into styles core of
like when was the last time you ever used instructions?
You don't need them because you are too smart.
You are the one who always figures it out because it's
true. Like Lydia is the genius, but
(46:43):
Styles and he figures it out. He does This man is like
sweating, crying and stripping off his nose and he, you know,
is looking at all the mechanics and he, you know, he's like,
okay, get ready. And so he twists one of the
things and Lydia leaps out of the bear trap and into his arms
and then to safety. And then it goes clink.
(47:07):
And the two of them in this moment are so beautiful.
Happy city a day. Oh my God.
I will say Dylan O'Brien cries really well on camera.
Yes, he does. Like he does that real good.
Yes, he does. Yeah.
Like I just between this monologue and this like moment
of him catching her in safety, can you think of just how much
(47:29):
their relationship has changed in the last what year?
So much like 9 months? Yeah, too much.
It's been, it's been like a year.
Yeah. And just the way that they have
grown around each other, I just.Love this for them.
I do. I do.
It is awesome. They're so cute.
(47:50):
I love them. So that's great.
And so we go back to Isaac and Isaac is, you know, with his
little foot leg in the in the bear trap.
Isaac tells Allison that she's got to use the gun on Tate
because Mr. Tate has got the coyote, he's got Malia in in his
sight on the gun. And Allison's like, OK, totally
(48:13):
super cool. And so she, with a very shaky
hand, goes to shoot Mr. Tate with the Trent gun and misses
for like the first time. Ever she trains a treat.
And so she's got to learn to kind of anchor herself again.
And she starts to kind of chant out loud.
(48:33):
She starts to recite her new code in French, and it centers
her enough that she's able to get Mr. Mr. Tate with a trank
gun. So she has prohibited him from
killing his own daughter. So nice.
And wins. Yay.
She got him, so we've one more. We've one more piece to the
(48:55):
puzzle. OK, two down we got, we got him.
We got Styles reading a little bit.
Well, not needing to read. Yeah, we got Allison being able
to center herself and aiming, getting her skills.
And now we've got Scott has chased down Malia.
He has he manages to transform mid run.
(49:20):
He kind of wolf's mid run. He's got some teeth, some claws,
a little bit of little bit of hair, little eyebrow.
And then he gets the alpha eyes glowing at Malia and they have
like a little standoff of alpha Scott.
Well, partial alpha Scott, not full transformation and Coyote
Malia. And then he just straight alpha
(49:43):
roars at her. And that roar, like Isaac hears
it and he like hulks up and useshis uses Scott's word to RIP the
bear trap apart. Both, both Styles and Lydia like
immediately turn towards the noise and they look so proud and
Styles is like, that's what I'm talking about.
(50:04):
That's my boy. And then Malia.
Malia backs down and suddenly there is just a naked teenager
in the woods. Hey, girl.
Hey. What?
What with the lawless skin, Yeah.
Gorgeous. Stunning.
You know, I guess she is hydrated out there.
Yeah. But yeah, Scott has has
conquered his transformation. He has not become Peter in the
(50:26):
woods. And Emilia Tate lives and not a
coyote. Yeah.
And so the sheriff and Styles, Iguess, who's in the car and.
What are you doing here? Bring Malia person Malia home to
Mr. Murder Monster Tate if. You don't like this guy, don't
go home to this guy. And their little family
reunites. It does.
(50:47):
And he recognizes her. And it's so soft.
And the heart breaks for like the eighth time this episode.
Yep, it's very cute. And in a very nice little
anchoring moment, Styles is, youknow, in the car and he looks
down at the mirror and he can read the letters on the mirror.
Objects in the mirror are closerthan they appear.
(51:08):
And he's like, oh, thank God it's real, I'm here.
Amazing. We got one, we got a win.
The sheriff got a win. And because the sheriff got a
win, Agent McCall backs the fuckup.
Get out of this town. And leaves the Sheriff's Office.
Yep. Thank you.
Get the. Fuck out.
And then because this episode cannot just end without
(51:31):
progressing the plot forward. Nope, it is now a dark time in
the the darkened, darkened woodsand.
Forest. Then the nematon has begun
growing a cute little. A little guy out of the top.
Cute little leafy green thing. A little.
Sapling A. Little sapling and then someone
just comes along and plucks thatright the fuck out.
(51:53):
For a reason. Excuse you and.
I was like that's rude, but thenfireflies just emerge from one
of the cracks in the nematon andcoalesce into 3 shadowy figures
and like before you can really get a good sense of them the
episode ends. So some scary fucking creatures
just came out of the nematon. So we got a gloved figure
(52:17):
plucking out the sapling, plus 3Firefly figures so there's like
4 baddies around the nematon. Indeed.
Rude. Truly rude.
So like, this is my beef. And you know, spoilers,
spoilers, question mark. Yeah.
So Scott has now solved his problem.
(52:40):
Allison, I think has mostly solved her problem.
Stiles has not solved his problem.
No. And I just, I think I'm just a
little bitter about that. Like I don't there's, there's so
much more and I need to see the whole thing in context, but
like. Stiles keeps getting shit on for
the rest of the season. Like, I mean, to be fair,
Allison, you know, gets better and then she gets worse.
(53:04):
Sure. But like, is Scott just done?
Yes. I don't know, it just it doesn't
feel quite as quite as complete a story.
He's the alpha, so he's fine. I guess I just I need to see the
whole thing in context and I'm just I'm very curious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.So, but you know, a decent
(53:25):
enough episode, Not my favorite,but it's got some great moments.
Yeah, not my favorite. I was kind of like, OK, you
know, we're moving. Yeah, we're, this was like a a
plot development, right? Like we were, we're going
somewhere. Well, I'm thrilled that Derek
and Peter are no longer being tortured.
I love that Braden is back. Congratulations to Malia for
becoming a people. I mean, they're not being
tortured for now. For now, Kira just being the
(53:50):
world's cutest patootie in the Halopack leather jacket.
Love it. No notes.
No notes. 100% can't complain. Lot of things I like about this
episode, but as a whole, not a great strong one for me.
But the this we're in, we're in the early goings.
They have to put all the pieces on the board and then we can,
you know. Move the ball.
(54:10):
These are the chess pieces. Yeah, as we learned last season.
What is it like why is he a kingor something?
Why is Derek the King? Oh yeah, we'll get, we'll get
there way later this the way later this season.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a, that's a much
later. This month.
Yeah, we're not gonna talk about.
We're not gonna talk about it. Well, we are.
We're just Taylor Swift into anything we're.
Not gonna talk about it right now.
(54:31):
Yeah. That's a that's the end of the
season problem it really. Is it really is?
Yeah. I mean pretty pretty, you know,
middle, middle of the pack episode.
Yeah, absolutely. And that is fine.
They're not all bangers. They're not all bangers, and
that's OK. Not a bad episode, so I'll
chill. Cool.
So you know you'll find us on the Internet unless you have
(54:52):
more you wanna share on this one.
I do not. I'm just really excited to see
more Kira this time around, honestly.
Yes, yeah. I'm.
So the next episode is a Halloween episode 'cause it's
it's set the night before Halloween Mischief Night.
And even though it airs in January.
And I only mention that because I feel like new shows do not do
(55:15):
enough themed episodes. They should do more holiday
episodes. More holiday episodes.
They're the best. Thanksgiving episode of Glee.
Dude. You kidding?
I mean, even some of the Christmas episodes, although
there's one that we don't talk about but like.
The Christmas episodes of Community.
The Christmas episodes of Psych So good every Halloween episode
(55:35):
ever is come. On good.
So like this one, the next one is set around Halloween.
It aired in January like whatever, but actually I think
the next two episodes are Halloween episodes, probably
because because 316 there's likea Halloween party.
Ah yes, so once again we are just going like one right after
(55:57):
the other after the other. Yeah, like one day at a time.
Happening, you know, in a week. So just like putting that out to
the the TV writers in the universe who are not listening
to this podcast themed holiday episodes, baby, like I know
you're never gonna get a 22 episode order again.
And that's sad because streamingTV just absolutely ruined the
industry. But like try maybe it just slips
(56:18):
a little something in there if you can give.
It 10 years cable will be back, it'll be fine.
They're already bundling cable'son the way back, baby.
Like. The the fact that you know, you
can get like 4 streaming services, I know now I'm like oh
that's cable OK, it's. Just cable it's.
Just cable, OK. So stupid anyway.
(56:39):
Remember when your TV used to belike plugged into your to your
wall when cable had to be plugged in?
Mine still is because we're old.We have straight cable in this
house. That's fantastic, God.
When Netflix falls, we'll still be able to watch TV.
Dude, I've I cannot, sorry, we're no longer talking about
Teen Wolf. Except for the fact that if
(57:00):
anyone knows where I can get Teen Wolf DVDs, I would very
much like to purchase some of those.
Dude, I would too actually. I miss having physical copies of
Stuff I. Oh my God, me too in the.
Last year the amount of CDs and DVDs and like Blu rays and books
I've purchased physical copies of things like if paying for
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them isn't owning. I know.
Then like what? What's the point?
I know, I know, like. What's the point?
I can't I I refuse. And is that going to make me
old? Is it going to make it hard to
move? Yes, of course it is.
But I am getting older and I like being able to put on my
favorite movie without having tofigure out if I have streaming
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rights for it or not. A. 100%.
Paid $20.00. I own this disk, it's mine.
I'm so mad that I at one point, like, sold a bunch of DVDs.
I was like, probably not gonna watch this again.
Yeah, like, well, maybe. I don't know.
Yeah. 'Cause I bet those are a bunch
of things I can't stream now 'cause they've fucking taken
them down. Yeah, like, I can't stream Teen
Wolf. I cannot scream it in Norway.
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Yeah. Like, the only reason I'm able
to do this is because of decisions I made a long time
ago. Like, I don't like it.
I don't like, I don't like it. I don't care for it, you know,
especially, you know, as I fly around between countries,
between continents, you know. Oh, I'm sorry you don't have
permissions to view this in thisarea like, but I did when I got
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on the plane. Yeah.
What what has changed is it justis it because it's, it's a no,
no over here now. Is it gonna be is it cool if I
get it on Hulu? Is it cool if I get it on HBO
Max? Like what?
Yeah, it sucks. And I just like, I'm so glad
that artists are starting to lean back into physical media.
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The fact that I can still purchase Taylor Swift CDs, that
I can still purchase Olivia Rodrigo CDs, that I can still
purchase Javel Rd. CDs like I want.
Well, I don't know if I can purchase Javel Rd.
CDs. I hope I can.
I haven't tried. That's a good.
Question. I don't know if you can.
I hope I can, otherwise I'll buyI'll buy the digital and then
burn CD like it's fine, but likeI want to be able to support
artists directly again because nobody knows what the streaming
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contracts are. Nobody tells you.
I just I. You can, well at least you can
on her website. You can buy ACD or an LP, yes.
So excited, but like we all talkabout the hopelessness and
helplessness of the world, but like, do what you can where you
can. Yeah well and the artists get a
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bigger cut when you buy physicalmedia then when you stream.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Did I ever think that in the year of our Lord 2024 I would be
looking for ways to buy Weird AlYankovic CDs?
No, absolutely not at considering that man made like
$10 on streaming last year on Spotify.
No, I will be looking to purchase his his collection.
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Totally. Like, I don't, I don't know what
the problem is here, but sorry. Thank you for letting me stand
on my on my on my soapbox here. I have very strong feelings now
about physical media. If anyone works for like
Paramount and can get Evil on DVD somehow possibly, that would
be great because they've cancelled that as well and it'll
disappear and I want to watch itagain and again because I
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fucking love it and it'll never be on DVD.
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Welcome to PAC Dynamics 18 Wolf podcast.
I'm Emily. And I'm Allison.
And this is season 3 episode 14,More Bad than good.
More bad than good. It's really funny.
I was, I opened this episode andI read More Bad Than Good and my
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brain immediately went, isn't itmore harm than good?
Which then took me to the first do no harm, the doctor's oath.
And then, you know, it's just all very timely because both
Emily and I are experiencing polite medical events in our
homes. And so it's just really a full
circle moment, a full circle moment.
Everyone's OK, everyone's OK by the way, like please don't
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worry. We're like everyone's doing as
OK as they can be, but. Vague harm.
Vague harm, but it's just a big it's just a big circle of things
that all tie together. I love it.
Isn't that OK? So we have follow the train more
harm than good. The physician's oath.
Peter is in the opening scene. Oh boy, isn't isn't Twilight,
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isn't Peter the is that not Peter the the dad of the?
Vampires. That's Carlisle.
Yeah, but oh shit, it is Carlisle.
It's Carlisle. I I don't think there might be.
I don't know. Isn't there a Peter in Twilight?
Oh, because that's actor is Peter.
That's where my brain was going.There you go.
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OK. Peter Facinelli is Carlisle.
OK, I was like, no, no, no. His name is Carlisle.
I'm not entirely sure what else is happening.
No, but the actor is Peter Facinelli.
See, there you go. And he, Carlisle, is a doctor.
That's what my brain was trying to get to.
Yeah, see, it's all it's all onebig circle of medical maladies
and mysteries. Yes, medical and mystery, I
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believe is another podcast probably out there.
Yeah. So this episode more bad than
good. Scott and his friends race to
figure out how to catch the Wearcoyote before it's haunted down
while Derek and Peter are brokenout of captivity by an unlikely
ally. Episode aired January 12th,
2014. So we just dive right back in
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where we left off. We really do.
Episode No time has passed. Literally no time has passed and
I try really hard to be patient with the early episodes of a
season because they have to set up everything and I'm just like,
Oh my God, come on guys, let's go.
Yeah, let's go. What are we doing here?
We are treated, I guess treated is one word to be used to more
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ABS. I guess there's.
A lot of ABS, real nice. You know that a low camera angle
up. What's less nice is that they're
constantly being, you know, likeelectrocuted.
And it's just, it's a bad torture chamber movie all
around. We do learn that Derek speaks
Spanish. Like she said.
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So yeah, he speaks a little Spanish and the nice gentleman
in the torture basement keeps asking the hails about La Loba,
which is Spanish for like a female wolf.
A Lobo is a male wolf and a Lobois a female wolf.
So it's like a specific genderedwolf.
And Derek understands this and is like she is a question mark
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and Peter doesn't know anything and is a fucking SAS master
about it and it almost gets him sawed in half.
Yes, not by a bronze sword this time, but by a chainsaw.
And the face, like Derek's face,just like you did this yourself,
man. I can't believe that.
Yeah, Wilder. Derek's faces equal parts like
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shut the fuck up and dude, I can't help you.
I can't help you like I'm stuck.Dude, yeah, bye.
Yeah, this is on you, man. So, you know, the, the torture
gentlemen are kind of narrowing in on the hails.
And Ian walks the leader, 'causeshe's got, you know, she's got
that, that posture, she's got that vibe.
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He starts talking to Derek. She knows Derek and in Spanish,
like, 'cause he's like sassing at her.
It's like, I don't speak any Spanish in Spanish.
And she looks at him and goes, you speak a lot of languages,
Derek Hale. And in that moment my notes go
into all caps. She says.
Derek speaks many languages. Cannon, cannon, cannon.
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Yes, Cannon. Derek Hale.
Cannon Derek Hale is a multilingual fella, which
doesn't come up anywhere else, like ever.
But it is in fact cannon that Derek speaks more than one
language. And apparently his Spanish is
not bad, no? Seems to be pretty good.
She keeps asking where is the she wolf and then calls Derek
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Lobito. Which I think is the cutest
thing I've ever heard. It's adorable and I'm kind of
sad that it gets used by a bad guy and not like styles.
Like a good yeah. Lovito is freaking adorable.
It just it's Spanish for Little Wolf.
It is. It's so cute.
It's. It's like, you know, in fake
when everybody call, you know, every, every grown up calls a
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little kids pup. It's the same vibe.
It's just pup in Spanish and it's so cute and you just know
that it's going to end up hurting him.
You just you know this coming in.
It's adorable. Like why did you have to use it?
Why can't one of like the good guys is adorable so.
It's real cute. She she knows that Derek's not
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going to talk because he's too cool for school.
Peter, however, is a piece of shit and could probably be
persuaded, and she starts by by cutting off a finger.
Yeah, they, they have this, like, little sass master
interplay where he's like, you're not going to talk.
This one loves the sound of his own voice.
It's like, I have a lovely singing voice.
And then he, you know, they keepgoing back and forth and Peter
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just resigns like no one ever wants to hear me sing.
I would. I would hear.
I would listen. I would also listen and so would
Chris Argent. But yeah, this, this boss lady
has absolutely no time for PeterHale and cuts off a finger.
Yep. Mm hmm.
Bummer. And it's like, I'm only going to
ask you 9 more times because he's got nine more fingers, you
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know, we aren't sure if he can grow that back or put it back
on. Yeah, I we've no idea.
We've absolutely no idea. Like what's going on?
So. So the question that we're
asking is, who is the she wolf? Like she's got like a title.
She's got like a, you know, she's supposed to be this like
mystical, magical. She's a specific person and no
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one says her name. Nope, can't have names here.
Like, it's a real good chance that like, murder friends,
basement friends know who they're talking about.
Derek and Peter think they know who they're talking about, and
the audience is like the. Fuck is this.
Who are we talking about? I think we're going to get our
wires crossed a few more times and then I'm going to get angry.
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So. Is it this person?
No. This person No.
Yeah. What do you mean?
What do you mean? It's not this person that my
entire defense strategy has beenaround this person.
What are you talking about? Tis the season for obfuscation
for zagging miscommunication. The worst trope is
miscommunication. Worse in a romantic setting or
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in a torture basement setting. It is.
You're right, Miscommunication is the worst and we, every every
romance writer out there stop it.
Stop it. It's not interesting and we're
tired of it. No miscommunication and no
cheating. Yes, stop it.
We're done. It's old.
Get it out of there. We're done.
Absolutely not. There are so many more.
Interesting things if you are. If you are writing something and
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you're like wow, I want to introduce conflict between 2
characters and you can't figure out how to do it, have one of
them get abducted by aliens. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Just like out of no, it doesn't
have to be real, of course not. But then that unspools into like
a do you believe me? Do you not believe me?
Do you trust me? Was it a dream?
Was it real? Like there's so many more
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interesting things that is way more interesting than you hooked
up with a guy at work. Like stop it.
Please stop. It I think you hooked up with a
guy at work. Or I overheard our friend
talking about a guy who hooked up with somebody at work.
It's over. We're done.
Come on Lobito, we can be betterthan this.
Lobito so cute. So also picking up right where
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we left off speaking Styles. Speaking of lobby, Scott and
Styles running through the woodslooking for a wear coyote.
They have found her den, a den, the den, and they find clothing
and a teddy bear. Yeah, her little her little kid
jacket. Little kid jacket that they
think belongs to Malia and Scottis like, I can track her scent
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now because I've got the stuff. I guess we have to believe that
scent lingers out in the woods with all of the stuff that
happens in the woods for eight years.
I mean, like the show. No, she has been coming back to
that den. That's where she lives.
Her scent is fresh. That's true.
You're right. That's.
True. Yeah, Yeah, because they talk
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about, you know, she's been a. Okay, but she's been a wolf.
Wasn't there something about in another episode or a coyote
about the difference between human scent, wolf scent?
Well, no, because it's inferred by the audience who keeps
getting angry at why Derek can'tsmell that Peter and the Alpha
are the same person. Oh, that's right.
That was the fan. And it's like, how come?
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How come he can't figure this out?
Stupid. So I no, I think because they
talk about well, you know, we just came into Worden.
It smells like us now. It doesn't smell like her
anymore and they don't need to have like human Malia and coyote
Malia don't smell the same, but it doesn't matter as long as you
can track the you're tracking the coyote like they're tracking
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the coyote and the den smells like coyote.
So there's. Like.
That's later. That's Isaac and Styles is, you
know, trying to think, you know,because Scott's convinced like
we are. We have smelled all over her
house. She's not coming back.
And Styles was like, well, if she's not coming home, where
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she's going to go? That's a good question.
Good question. He's got them brains.
Got them brains and. They're also like, if this is a
crime scene, then in the Sheriff's Department.
Only one of our fathers should be present at this crime.
Invest at this crime investigation.
The correct father. Correct.
Yeah, so they also talk about, you know, how this accident
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really could have happened and if it was Kid Malia transforming
into a wear coyote in the car during the full moon, which is
when the accident happened and causing the accident accident
simply because she scared the shit out of her mother, which is
valid. Super valid, although I can
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immediately thwart this theory by using my small human brain.
Yes. So when Scott and Styles find
the car in the last episode, Scott measures the claws in the
side of the car. Like they're my big man hands.
Big hands. Little 8 year old baby girl
would not have had those hands. Yeah, they are big.
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They like match up to his the width of his fingers.
His like 1617 year old man handslike that is not those are not
the hands of an 8 year old girl.Like eventually they'll put
they'll patch pieces together. But mostly I think they were
just really hoping we would ignore all of this.
Sure. Yeah, totally.
And I'm happy to ignore it untilthey bring it back around.
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Yeah, and I, it was, it was kindof a bummer when he, when Scott
sees that vision of himself hurting a small child 'cause
he's still, he's so worried about like losing control and he
gets this flash of himself in the woods kind of hunched over a
child. Pete.
Peter. Style, Peter.
Style. Yeah, it's not, you know, it's a
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worry. What is a healthy and rational
fear? Yeah.
Like this isn't this is not an irrational fear.
Like if he is a creature of the night and has been having
trouble lately containing his creature of the night like some
other creatures of the night, heknows this is a healthy and
rational fear. It is.
Yeah, he is just trying to keep everybody safe.
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He is trying his best. Unfortunately.
Everyone, everyone's most troubling dads come to town,
Mrs. Tate and McCall. Yes, unfortunately, the two
worst. Are these the two worst ads?
They're not the worst ads, but they're like.
They're not the worst dads, but they're definitely the most
inconvenient dads at this particular time.
Yeah, they are not helpful because Detective Dickhead rolls
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up with Mr. Tate. Whose name?
Whose first name? I just don't know.
Henry, I think. Sure, Well, take it.
Why not? And he they he identifies the
evidence in The Cave as as Malia's and and McCall,
Detective McCall, Special Agent McCall.
One of the Agent McCall? Yeah, the leader, Special agent.
I don't know. Special Agent You know what?
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As an X-Files fan, he does not deserve Special Agent.
He's. Just regular agent.
He's just regular agent. He really expects Bones to be
found and not a a living girl. And he has this line about the
truth is always better than not knowing.
And he's right. He is right.
I'm mad. I'm mad.
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And he's right. And this is something that the
the Teen Wolf groups, the various groups have also stuck
to, so they can't be totally upset with his logic.
Yeah. That that does suck, but he
should butt out because he's annoying.
I will say though, in this particular scene he is looking
like a stone cold fox. OK, troubling.
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He is hot. He's gorgeous.
That man is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful busman of
manliness. Alyssa was not.
Wrong. She was not wrong.
She was not personality. Showed up.
Yeah. Well, for the moment, we're
going to have to just, you know,except that he's a cutie and
he's trying his best. Even though we disagree with
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whatever, we just know that he was in a losing battle against
Melissa McCall. And so like, until Melissa gives
us the go, like he's he's persona Nagata, like, no thank
you. Exactly.
So because it's still early in the season, they're still going
to class. Scott and Styles kind of let
Allison know where they found the Coyote den and she's like,
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oh, it's in the middle of the hiking trails, which is kind of
interesting. Like I would have thought Malia
would have holed out somewhere quieter, but it I think it's
probably closer to the car. Probably, yeah.
And remember that she would havemade this decision at 8:00.
At 8, yes, this is true, and they have this cute little
conversation about how smart coyotes are and if they don't
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want to be heard, they tiptoe. It's adorable and Allison's like
eye rolly hair flippy. They tiptoe is iconic.
Super iconic. I have no idea if this is
actually true about coyotes and I don't care to look it up
because I like it. I we have coyotes we have.
Coyotes in Norse in Norse land. Not to my.
I haven't seen one lately, but. We have them, my friend who
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lives just a few blocks away hasa a coyote on the regular when
she takes her dog out. I mean, like, we definitely have
coyotes in my homeland. Yeah, yeah.
I was going to say, yeah, you do.
And apparently, according to theInternet, coyotes do tiptoe.
I love it. There's also a song called
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Coyotes by Modest Mouse. That seems fair.
That seems right. But yeah, Coyotes tiptoe or
walk, touching the ground with only their toes in what is known
as digit grating. Why can't scientists just call
it tiptoe? And why do they have to call it
digit grating? I would imagine because they're
they're technically scientifically different things.
Whatever. I don't, I don't know, man.
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I don't know. Ask.
Trying to be all smart and shit.Ask Science.
Well, we saw that our little coyote was looking up at the big
moon at the end of the last scene, and she was not having a
great time. So.
She's gonna, she's gonna need everything, every benefit that
she can have right now. Yes, speaking.
Of unbridled benefits. Yeah, Miss.
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Kira Yukimura being the cutest creature on the planet.
She bounces up to Scott before class because she's done some
research on the bardo, but only a couple of hours.
Just a few. Just like just a couple hours of
research. She's so cute.
And then world's best wingman, Ken Yukimora.
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Fucking dad, Oh my God. I love him, I love her so.
Much he's like, oh, here's that research you did for that boy.
You like shut off Dad. Shut off Dad.
Oh my God. My God.
Like I forgot, I didn't, I forgot, but I didn't forget.
But I forgot, I really like thatwe're focusing again on the teen
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part of Teen Wolf. Totally.
Yes, it's so. Refreshing.
Yeah, 100%. It's so great.
It's it's honestly really nice. Did you OK?
I noticed this in the last episode and didn't say anything
'cause I just wanted to be sure.Is she wearing a hail leather
jacket? Yes, she is.
OK. Absolutely Kira.
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Kira is part of the hail. She's part of the hail pack.
I don't know what to. Tell you, I'm just saying like
she had one on last episode which was I guess the day before
and she's got one on today, which is the same day or the
next day. The next day.
One of my favorite things in like second-half second wave
fandom, you know, 'cause the first wave fandom was pre 3B and
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then there's after P3B and then we get into like season 5 fandom
stuff. But in in like this and later,
one of my favorite things is that so many fic will feature
Kira and Derek as like, old besties.
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Like, yeah, because the Yuki Moras and the Hales and
whatever. And it's just so cute.
It's so soft. And I love them both so much.
But yes, she is in fact wearing the Hale Pack leather jacket.
Yeah, it just, I just wanted to make sure that I was not crazy,
'cause like she is. I mean, like, to the best of my
knowledge, yeah. OK, great.
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Just, you know, putting that outthere.
Yeah. So they are learning about
internment camps and PO WS whichI I don't remember how this fits
into the series and maybe it just doesn't.
OK great. Because I also just found this
to be a geographically accurate Lesson plan because I, it
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doesn't seem like people, and maybe this isn't true, but just
from people I've talked to over the years, people like Midwest,
East Coast don't learn about this part of American history as
much as we do on the West Coast,right?
Because we had Japanese internment camps and we learn
about them in California, Oregonand Washington because like,
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that's our shitty fucking history.
So we had go through these lesson plans and then I've met
people from other states who arelike, Oh yeah, we didn't, we
didn't learn about that. Like, oh, Yikes.
So I was just like, Oh yeah, that would be something that a
Northern Californian high schoolwould have learned about.
Yeah. But then I was like, oh, it's
probably have to do with the series and I just cannot
(20:04):
remember. It it trust me when I tell you
it comes back. Yeah, now, like I'm sure as I
rewatch, I'm gonna be like, oh, right, it's this whole thing.
And I just couldn't. I couldn't grasp it.
Yes, it does. You're gonna, you're gonna make
those noises. And you're correct.
Great super. So Mr. Yukimoto calls on styles,
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obviously, because why wouldn't he to read out loud in front of
the class? And even if Styles wasn't having
his issues, this is a nightmare.Yes, correct.
This is an absolute nightmare. I mean, like, I don't know, it
wasn't as much of a nightmare for me, I think, as it was for
other people because I really like reading out loud.
Oh, OK. I find it easy, I find it fun
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and I'm pretty good at it. Yeah.
And so it was never this like inpanic and do same thing for me
like it was for a lot of my classmates.
Sure. It was after a nightmare for
styles. I think after doing this podcast
now I'd be much more chill aboutit talking out loud.
Reading ad copy. Just let it ride.
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Just like or just talking out loud AD nauseam.
Yes, it takes practice. It takes practice and I, you
know, have a little lispy situation sometimes and you
just, like, let it roll and not get caught up on it sometimes.
Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah.
So Styles goes up there and the whole page blurs in front of him
and the letters start sliding down the page and it's panic
(21:30):
inducing and even watching it was panic inducing.
And that is such like we'll talkabout it here at a scene or two,
but they, the whole production team did such a good job.
It looks really cool. I mean, it looks awful, but it
looks great and actually this. Gives you the feeling you're
supposed to have. It does, and it and it rolls
into this next scene because Scott notices that he's sliding
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into a panic attack and he's like on this like slow MO plus
jittery, staccato, panicking camera motion.
It's like it's so. Good.
It's slow motion and then it like fast cuts and then it like
shakes and then it it's so that he's like you're you are
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experiencing the way that he is seeing the world and it's just
so good. I don't know if there's actually
missing frames, but it feels like there's missing frames.
Absolutely. Like the whole the, you know,
Dylan O'Brien, like doing the kind of stumbling, stuttering,
like launching himself forward and shaking is one thing, but in
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post production they speed up and slowed down and cut things
out to give you that feeling. And it was so good.
I do. I do want to throw one up for
Mr. Scott McCall, who is trying to be the world's best friend.
He loves Styles so much, he really does like everyone's
looking out for. They're all worried about each
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other. And Scott immediately notices
that something is wrong and immediately takes action to fix
it. And then proceeds to walk Styles
through a panic attack, Which I just, I love for him 'cause, you
know, after Scott had his panic attack in season 1 and Styles
had his panic attack in season 3, you know that Scott started
reading up on panic attacks. Yep.
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Like Scott talked to Style, he talked to the sheriff and was
like, what do we do? How do we fix it?
How do we deal with this? Yeah, that's your bud.
And I just, I'm so I just love him so much for this.
I do too. Something else that I didn't
notice the first time that I noticed this time when Styles
starts to have his like panic moment and Scott like rushed him
out of the classroom, Mr. Yukimura is paying attention.
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Like he, the the camera cuts to him and he's like looking at
Styles and Scott in a way that'slike not just like a worried
teacher, but like. Curious.
He's like his little. His little antenna's like whoop.
OK, I didn't notice that, but cool.
OK. Mr. Mr. Yukimura was paying
attention and I was paying attention to him.
Paying attention. And I was also paying attention.
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Attention. I noticed you're noticing.
Thank you for noticing. I think one of the the most, I
don't want to say it's the best thing about getting old as fuck,
but one of the interesting things about getting older and
watching and re watching media is I think your attention
naturally drifts to the adult characters when it didn't when
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you were closer to the age of the protagonists.
And for something like Glee, you're still going to hate Mr.
Shuster. Oh yeah.
I think you're, I mean, I don't want to say he's designed to be
hateable, but like, come on. But for more like watch him, the
more you're angry at Emma for leaving the dentist.
Yes, absolutely. Or like, yes, or even Sue
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Sylvester, you're like, OK, you can't talk to the students like
that, but maybe they deserve it.Like I love you but also hard
pass. Yeah, like, OK, you, you, you
can't say that, but I get why you want to, right.
Like, so watching Teen Wolf as we're not middle-aged, but we're
getting there. We're getting there, the
teachers and the parents, and even if we don't have children,
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'cause you're just like, man, whoa, these kids, this sucks for
them and they're. Just they're, they're children,
they're children, children. And then you're watching the
adults who are now like your ageor closer to it and they, they
just act more. I don't know.
It's, it's a fascinating way that you naturally kind of fall
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into a rewatch and, and notice the behavior of adults in a way.
I think you just can't when you're a teenager watching these
or 20 something. And I think that's some, I think
that's a great addition to rewatches of TV shows.
Absolutely. I don't think it works if you
tried to rewatch Barney though. No, probably not, but I'd be
interested to rewatch like Sesame Street and kind of look
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at it that way. That would be interesting.
Oh that would be fun. I've never really watched Sesame
Street. Anyway.
Sorry. No, it's OK.
Me too. So Scott is trying to talk
Styles down from a real bad panic attack, because Styles has
been just not sleeping and not dreaming and not living in
Everything's a Dream about Nothing's a Dream the whole time
for the last several weeks. And they're trying to figure out
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how to Styles tell if he's dreaming.
And we establish, you know, thatyou can't read in dreams, but
you have to count your fingers. You have extra fingers in
dreams. And Scott is like, OK, I got
this, let's do it. And so Scott and Styles start
counting Scott's fingers. And Styles is coming to breathe.
And Scott is just Styles's anchor here.
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And I just love this so much forthem.
Yeah, it's really good. And.
He's got 10 fingers. He's got 10 fingers and Styles
immediately breaks and calms down and does a nice little
succinct wrap up of everybody's really bad couple of days that
Scott can't transform, Allison seeing visions of her dead aunt
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and Styles is straight up losinghis mind.
Yep, yeah, it's it's a lot for everybody in this like Scott or
Styles really kind of falling into this.
We can't do anything. We can't help Malia, we can't
help anyone, which kind of mirrors Motel California with
Scott being like, can't, I can'tdo anything and there's nothing.
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I'm useless. And now it's Scott saying, But
we can try, we can always try, 'cause they're Bros.
'Cause they're just, they love each other so much.
It's great, I love them. But the back in the classroom,
Kira grabs styles bag. Both of them.
Both of their bags. And then she goes out into the
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hallway. But now like, the hallway is
fucking dark. It's a ghost town.
And it's it was like no students, dark ass hallway.
There are no lights, but there is a coyote in the hallway and
the coyote just like bursts through the glass of the door of
I think she's in the locker roomof Requirement.
She's in the locker. She's in the boys locker room of
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Requirement. Uh huh.
Yeah, and, you know, obviously Scott appears and pushes over
the lockers to save her. And the the baby doll from the
the Coyote den is in his bag. It's yeah, Styles his bag.
It's in somebody's bag. Somebody's bag.
That coyote is growling and roaring and chasing Kira, and
she's hiding and she gets rescued.
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And my, my first thing was, you know, Scott comes in to rescue
Kira and shoves the lockers overand I'm like, OK, cool, Scott.
It's cool to kill people as longas they're coyotes.
I know. He's gonna be fine.
Yeah, I think that was his thingbecause I was like, I don't
think that that that's it's in your code of ethics, Sir, but
like, OK, her off. Yeah, she's fine.
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She's. Fine, yeah, like surprise, Yeah,
But then we do have to go back to to dungeon extension.
Time Murder basement. Murder Basement.
Where Peter cannot keep his mouth shut and is asking the
kidnapper to put his finger on ice for him.
Which, you know, is fair. He's going to.
He's going to want to put that back on somehow.
He wants some pain medications or some antibiotic ointment.
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Yeah, meanwhile Derek just looksfucking gorgeous.
Oh yeah, he's very pretty. Just listening to Peter just
being an idiot. So well lit, a perfect Sheen of
sweat. I kind of feel inappropriate
looking at him like this. He's awful pretty.
It just doesn't seem right. But yeah, so there's like,
scuffling up above them and the kidnappers start shooting
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through the ceiling and then someone bursts through.
I don't know if you got door or like, an entrance of some sort
in here. And it is someone whose name I
don't think ever actually got said on the TV show, but it's
Brayden. Hi, Brayden.
This is the woman who saved Isaac way back in tattoo so the.
3. Three.
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One. Yeah. 3A1.
And was definitely not killed byDekalian.
I guess not 'cause she absolutely was.
Killed and she absolutely has the next scars to prove it.
Yeah, apparently slitting throats is like a maybe the
show. Basically, we'll get back to
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that here in a couple of episodes.
Yeah. But they focus on Derek's like
so Braden gets this like beautiful, like, you know,
glamour shot and Derek Derek also gets one and that man is in
source old. It apparently doesn't take much
for him, does it? No, no, Derek sees one woman who
has a goal and is like, I'd likethat one, please.
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And given his track record. Given his track record.
He should really not. Phone a friend, guys, phone a
friend. Like anyone, he should just
stop. Like, like bring her to bring
her to Scott. Be like, this is our first date.
What is your friend doing here? Like, hi, my name is Scott
McCall. I have to make sure you're not a
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bad guy. What do you mean, a bad guy?
Derek's got a kind of a track record.
Basically like, could you sniff this one out because it's never
good. So she decides to kind of fill
us in a little bit because Derek, I DS her, is the one who
saved Isaac and she goes, I was the one who was hired to save
Isaac and apparently, apparentlyDukalian hired her to save
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Derek. Yes I have.
I have questions. Yeah, yeah, everyone has
questions. Yeah, that's that's the story
and the show is sticking to it. Yeah, so.
But Braden's also really chill and definitely decides to save
Peter too, because you know, shecan't.
Because the show demands. Yeah, because the show demands.
We would be really sad without Peter.
It's true. So then she's like, or the guys
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are like, we're not, No, she says.
Right. We're not leaving without it.
Without what? No, they they do.
We're not leaving without. It they're the ones that don't
want to leave without it and Braden's like, what the fuck are
you talking about? So there's another super secret
thing that they're going to haveto get to.
Should we just stick with them because their storyline is just
completely separate from everybody else?
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'S it sure is. So they end up somewhere else,
dark and not well lit. Probably in the upstairs of the
murder basement. Do we think?
Because like, it's not labeled there, you can't tell where the
fuck they are. But yeah, so it's the three of
them and in a room, and there isa chest, a big old chest made
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from a Rowan tree that the wolves can't touch because Rowan
is mountain ash. So Derek tries to open the box
and it zaps him and we're and and the group collectively goes
thank you Brayden for being a human.
Yeah, basically, because inside the chest is just pure mountain
ash. And I absolutely adored the way
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Peter and Derek looked at her inunison.
Yes, it was flawless. Yeah, it was incredible.
So she reaches into the the ash and pulls out a thing.
It's a little box. It's a smaller box.
A something that has the Triskell Triskele stamped on
top. It's a box inside another.
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Box. It's a box in a box in a in in a
mansion with a dungeon. And that's that's where they
leave off for this episode. So apparently Derek and Peter
got kidnapped and tortured trying to get a box.
Yes. So I hope it was worth it for
them. And we don't know how they know
about this box, why they were searching for this box.
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What's in it? What's in it?
Who told them? Did they already know about it?
Where is Cora in the search for the box?
No idea. Absolutely no idea.
Yeah, don't know anything, but they found shirts.
Hurray. So that's that's good.
So back at the school, the cops have shown up.
I I guess because there was a coyote.
I would think that like animal enforcement, you know, not Yeah,
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but. It's it's a small town, you know
anything. Is also animal enforcement.
Yeah. And the sheriff's like, hey,
Styles, you, you really need to be sure that this is a girl and
not an animal because otherwise she's it's getting put down.
And Styles is sure because Scottsure all.
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Because they're Bros. Because they're Bros, they're
besties and. Then.
It turns out that Mister Tate shows up at the school for
reasons. Stop it.
And he's got a gun. Yeah, and he's got a gun.
And he's like you. You got to find that thing.
But The thing is his daughter. Deep sigh.
I do really appreciate the smashcut though, because we talk
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about like how he has a gun and then it smash cuts to Allison in
her dad's office with a bigger gun with.
A bigger gun? What is a tranquilizer gun?
Some sort of rifle? Slightly different, but yes,
still, he's got a little gun andAllison's got a big gun.
Big gun. So it turns out that Deaton is
supplying them with horse tranquilizer.
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So love this. Love this to them.
And Deaton has the tranquilizer.Obviously.
Isaac is a little worried about Allison's aim.
Rightfully, because she's been alittle shaky.
And then Lydia, which we don't love.
She did try to kill Lydia. She also tried to kill Isaac.
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Only in her dreams. Well, you know, not great.
Not great. Styles comes out with the what
is the point of him asides from persistent negativity and the
scarf, It's like 65° out point establishing Canon Isaac and his
scarves. Yes, Isaac and his summer
scarves, even though 65° is not a summer temperature, but it's
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incredible. And the like SAS mastering
between Styles and Isaac. This episode in particular is
incredible. I do love the potential for a
Scott Styles Isaac kind of triadabout, you know, I love you and
he loves you, but I hate this guy.
So the sex will be great. I love it.
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And then for my favorite conversation of the whole wide
episode, We need a real Alpha. I was going.
To say like which one? There's a ton of them.
Yeah, but so Scott talks about how he's just not able to wolf
out at all because he's, you know, losing control and he
doesn't want to get stuck that way.
And so Styles comes in with we, we need a real alpha.
And Scott's like. Yeah, how dare you?
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An alpha who can do real alpha things.
An alpha who can get it. And then Isaac supplies up.
And they're all thinking about Derek.
And they're all thinking about Derek, and I'm just sitting here
going like, you know, guys, you could have just done this.
It would have been fine. It would have been fine, would
have been fine. Styles still thinks about Derek
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in a sexual context. Pass it on.
Absolutely he does. And of course they had to bring
the twins up 'cause they are also Alpha's well, and Deaton's
like actually they're not, I guess because sort of dying, not
kind of dying bring bring brought back to life took the
alpha out of. Them.
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And they sacrificed that power like Derek did so.
And no one has seen them for weeks.
Smash cut 2 The Loft. Who has keys to the loft?
Styles, Lydia. Yeah, so Derek's just.
Don't talk to me. Don't perceive me.
Don't. I can't.
I cannot. Yeah, they Derek just left them
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the keys to the loft. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Smash cut to my brain that
Styles and Lydia are sleeping inDerek's bed 'cause they're sad.
Oh, absolutely. When?
When Styles can't sleep in his own bed 'cause he's afraid goes
to the loft. Yeah, I've heard that, Victoria.
I'm sure I have. Oh yeah, so the twins are there
and just decide to kick the shitout of Scott as soon as he shows
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up because this is how Dukalian taught them to.
I I guess be big strong alphas is to like, give in and let go.
Give in to the wolf and take a beating.
They were like become everythingyou're afraid of.
Giving in lets you control it because you can't control it.
You turn into an animal and they're like, or worse, Peter.
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Or worse, you turn into Peter and that's literally the core of
Scott's giant fear. That's his big scary, you know,
door opening mind. Thing is that Scott will turn
into a monster like Peter and not be able to stop it or
control it. I big props to the writers who
went back and read and watched their own show.
Styles does call back to heart monitor about peddling, like
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pulting him with lacrosse balls.Yep, we tried this before.
Remember, they remembered. I love it them.
And so, you know, they continue to beat the living hell out of
Scott. And then I think it's Aiden.
So Ethan pulls back and then Aiden, just like, keeps punching
him for reasons. Oh yeah, He just needed to get
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that out. He.
Just needed to get that out. And so, you know, Ethan pulls
him back. It's like, I thought we were
helping him. It's you helped too much.
You helped too much. Love this for them.
Yeah. And just the utter beaten,
broken face of Scott is so heartbreaking.
Yeah, but I guess it worked. I mean like maybe.
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Maybe we'll find out. We'll find out.
Meanwhile, Mr. Tate is out theresetting up bear traps in the
woods. Stop it.
Because he sucks. Come on, Mr. Tate, you don't
need to do this. I feel like a bear trap is a
little too intense for a coyote.Oh yeah, for sure.
Just yeah. Yikes.
It it's a lot. Allison and Isaac are back in
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her dad's office, setting up forthe shot with the gun and the
syringe and you know all that, and Allison is shaking so bad
that she can't load the darts. Yeah.
And she drops the vial of tranquilizer and goes under the
table to pick it up. And then when she pops back up,
she's in the morgue again. Oops.
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Whoopsie doodle. This is this is a lot of scene.
Yes, it was because Allison is like in the morgue and there's a
body on the table under a sheet and she goes to the goes to the
table and she lifts up the sheetand then all of a sudden it's
her on the sheet, She's on the slab and and her entire chest
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cavity is like set open in one of those like things they use
for surgery. And it it and her aunt Kate is
the surgeon and talking about, you know, her cause of death.
And then the whole surgery team decides to undo their little
masks, and they're all werewolves, including Kate.
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And then they're just eating at her organs.
Yep, just devouring her whole. I just, I don't, I don't get it.
I don't get it. But then we get back to we get
back to reality and Allison has the trank gun shot like aimed
directly at Isaac's face. Yep, Yep, just about to fire
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right at him. Kaplowy.
And he's like, let me help you. It's real cute.
It's real cute. There So there is a line,
though, when Doctor Doctor zombie Kate Arjun is taking out
fake dream Allison's heart, she says there's definitely
something wrong with it. Ouch.
It's kind of an interesting fearthat Allison must have about
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herself. Ouch.
Yeah, it's rough. Everybody hates themselves on
the show. So everyone, team, team
Werewolf, team team Teen Wolf rolls up to the preserve to do
their jobs. Lydia is the only one who's a
little worried that they are doing episode of the title rolls
more harm than good, although she says more harm, not more
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bad, but whatever. Maybe because saying we're doing
more bad than good would be. That's not Lydia.
Yeah, that's not Lydia. But yeah, they're, they're ready
to do their their different parts for this confrontation.
The sheriff, however, is confronting Mr. Tate about the
trap because a jogger almost stepped in it and lost a leg.
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Luckily, they didn't, but it turns out Tate has set up, like,
dozens of them in the preserve. It's hard to tell how.
Expensive. Must that have been a?
Lot seemed like a lot. Let's see, bear trap cost, I
don't know, like three $400 each?
Yikes. Yeah, I mean depending on
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quality. I don't know.
I don't want this in my Google search anymore though.
So they have a really interesting conversation that I
would have loved like 10 minuteson because you're getting, you
know, sheriff versus like concerned citizen and then it
turns into dad versus dad. Yeah.
Because, you know, Styles has been having a rough time, and
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Mr. Tate's been having a rough time.
And the sheriff yells some kid could die in one of these.
And Mr. Tate shoots back. My kid died.
Yeah, I mean. Like.
She. Did she?
Did he lost his daughter? I don't know why.
Yeah. Like, and at this point, you're
like, I don't agree with your methods, but you want closure,
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you want answers, which is why he's teaming up with Agent
McCall. Like, he just wants this done.
He thought it was done, and now some stupid kids and some
useless sheriff are getting it all back up again.
He's done. He's done.
And I don't agree with his methods, but I understand where
he's coming from. Yeah.
But it turns out that Mister Tate went buck wild and put bear
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shots all over the woods, and then he's now out there with
with a rifle, just like outside with a gun.
Because the coyote has has shownup with the baby doll that Tate
had taken from Styles. Because Styles had taken it from
the den, so that. Scott Car, yeah.
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Yeah, it was a whole, it was a whole series of who took the
baby doll from the den. Tate ended up with it as like a
a memento of his family. But that coyote wanted it back.
So Tate Tate runs after the coyote back into the woods.
And Papa calls Styles on the phones like, hey, so maybe stay
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out of the woods and styles likestanding in the middle of the
woods going like, yeah, I'll totally consider that option.
Yeah, I will do that immediately.
And Sheriff also tells Styles that the coyote took the doll
again, which is important because that helps Styles click
onto that. It's the doll, and she's like
the doll, the doll. And then he figures something
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out. And Lydia helps him though,
because he has a photo from the house and that it wasn't Malia
holding the doll, it was her younger sister.
And Lydia Martin is looking flawless, stunning in this
entire scene. Gorgeous.
And Styles figures out that thatthe coyote is returning the doll
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to the car to the scene of the accident, like bringing flowers
back to a grave because it's like the one last bit of of
family that she has, which is. So Ouch.
Speaking of Ouch, Isaac has finally caught Malia's scent
because Isaac had some like pee that he was able to sniff.
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Yeah. Yeah, and he is booking it
through the woods and Allison's running after him.
And then Isaac gets caught in one of the bear.
Traps sure does. Ouch Kebables.
And that makes him roar out in pain, which gets to Scott and
make Scott crash his bike. Mm hmm.
So just a lot happening really fast because Lydia has also
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stepped in a trap but has caughtherself before she I guess
disengages the the weight plate and she's like styles, you have
to disarm this. And she's like, you have to look
for a label with instructions onhow to do it.
It's like, why would there be a label?
Because animals can't read and. My notes read well right now.
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Neither kids styles. So me too.
It's like neither good styles, but this this little monologue
from Lydia is so sweet, getting like right into styles core of
like when was the last time you ever used instructions?
You don't need them because you are too smart.
You are the one who always figures it out because it's
true. Like Lydia is the genius, but
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Styles and he figures it out. He does This man is like
sweating, crying and stripping off his nose and he, you know,
is looking at all the mechanics and he, you know, he's like,
okay, get ready. And so he twists one of the
things and Lydia leaps out of the bear trap and into his arms
and then to safety. And then it goes clink.
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And the two of them in this moment are so beautiful.
Happy city a day. Oh my God.
I will say Dylan O'Brien cries really well on camera.
Yes, he does. Like he does that real good.
Yes, he does. Yeah.
Like I just between this monologue and this like moment
of him catching her in safety, can you think of just how much
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their relationship has changed in the last what year?
So much like 9 months? Yeah, too much.
It's been, it's been like a year.
Yeah. And just the way that they have
grown around each other, I just.Love this for them.
I do. I do.
It is awesome. They're so cute.
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I love them. So that's great.
And so we go back to Isaac and Isaac is, you know, with his
little foot leg in the in the bear trap.
Isaac tells Allison that she's got to use the gun on Tate
because Mr. Tate has got the coyote, he's got Malia in in his
sight on the gun. And Allison's like, OK, totally
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super cool. And so she, with a very shaky
hand, goes to shoot Mr. Tate with the Trent gun and misses
for like the first time. Ever she trains a treat.
And so she's got to learn to kind of anchor herself again.
And she starts to kind of chant out loud.
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She starts to recite her new code in French, and it centers
her enough that she's able to get Mr. Mr. Tate with a trank
gun. So she has prohibited him from
killing his own daughter. So nice.
And wins. Yay.
She got him, so we've one more. We've one more piece to the
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puzzle. OK, two down we got, we got him.
We got Styles reading a little bit.
Well, not needing to read. Yeah, we got Allison being able
to center herself and aiming, getting her skills.
And now we've got Scott has chased down Malia.
He has he manages to transform mid run.
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He kind of wolf's mid run. He's got some teeth, some claws,
a little bit of little bit of hair, little eyebrow.
And then he gets the alpha eyes glowing at Malia and they have
like a little standoff of alpha Scott.
Well, partial alpha Scott, not full transformation and Coyote
Malia. And then he just straight alpha
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roars at her. And that roar, like Isaac hears
it and he like hulks up and useshis uses Scott's word to RIP the
bear trap apart. Both, both Styles and Lydia like
immediately turn towards the noise and they look so proud and
Styles is like, that's what I'm talking about.
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That's my boy. And then Malia.
Malia backs down and suddenly there is just a naked teenager
in the woods. Hey, girl.
Hey. What?
What with the lawless skin, Yeah.
Gorgeous. Stunning.
You know, I guess she is hydrated out there.
Yeah. But yeah, Scott has has
conquered his transformation. He has not become Peter in the
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woods. And Emilia Tate lives and not a
coyote. Yeah.
And so the sheriff and Styles, Iguess, who's in the car and.
What are you doing here? Bring Malia person Malia home to
Mr. Murder Monster Tate if. You don't like this guy, don't
go home to this guy. And their little family
reunites. It does.
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And he recognizes her. And it's so soft.
And the heart breaks for like the eighth time this episode.
Yep, it's very cute. And in a very nice little
anchoring moment, Styles is, youknow, in the car and he looks
down at the mirror and he can read the letters on the mirror.
Objects in the mirror are closerthan they appear.
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And he's like, oh, thank God it's real, I'm here.
Amazing. We got one, we got a win.
The sheriff got a win. And because the sheriff got a
win, Agent McCall backs the fuckup.
Get out of this town. And leaves the Sheriff's Office.
Yep. Thank you.
Get the. Fuck out.
And then because this episode cannot just end without
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progressing the plot forward. Nope, it is now a dark time in
the the darkened, darkened woodsand.
Forest. Then the nematon has begun
growing a cute little. A little guy out of the top.
Cute little leafy green thing. A little.
Sapling A. Little sapling and then someone
just comes along and plucks thatright the fuck out.
(51:53):
For a reason. Excuse you and.
I was like that's rude, but thenfireflies just emerge from one
of the cracks in the nematon andcoalesce into 3 shadowy figures
and like before you can really get a good sense of them the
episode ends. So some scary fucking creatures
just came out of the nematon. So we got a gloved figure
(52:17):
plucking out the sapling, plus 3Firefly figures so there's like
4 baddies around the nematon. Indeed.
Rude. Truly rude.
So like, this is my beef. And you know, spoilers,
spoilers, question mark. Yeah.
So Scott has now solved his problem.
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Allison, I think has mostly solved her problem.
Stiles has not solved his problem.
No. And I just, I think I'm just a
little bitter about that. Like I don't there's, there's so
much more and I need to see the whole thing in context, but
like. Stiles keeps getting shit on for
the rest of the season. Like, I mean, to be fair,
Allison, you know, gets better and then she gets worse.
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Sure. But like, is Scott just done?
Yes. I don't know, it just it doesn't
feel quite as quite as complete a story.
He's the alpha, so he's fine. I guess I just I need to see the
whole thing in context and I'm just I'm very curious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.So, but you know, a decent
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enough episode, Not my favorite,but it's got some great moments.
Yeah, not my favorite. I was kind of like, OK, you
know, we're moving. Yeah, we're, this was like a a
plot development, right? Like we were, we're going
somewhere. Well, I'm thrilled that Derek
and Peter are no longer being tortured.
I love that Braden is back. Congratulations to Malia for
becoming a people. I mean, they're not being
tortured for now. For now, Kira just being the
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world's cutest patootie in the Halopack leather jacket.
Love it. No notes.
No notes. 100% can't complain. Lot of things I like about this
episode, but as a whole, not a great strong one for me.
But the this we're in, we're in the early goings.
They have to put all the pieces on the board and then we can,
you know. Move the ball.
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These are the chess pieces. Yeah, as we learned last season.
What is it like why is he a kingor something?
Why is Derek the King? Oh yeah, we'll get, we'll get
there way later this the way later this season.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a, that's a much
later. This month.
Yeah, we're not gonna talk about.
We're not gonna talk about it. Well, we are.
We're just Taylor Swift into anything we're.
Not gonna talk about it right now.
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Yeah. That's a that's the end of the
season problem it really. Is it really is?
Yeah. I mean pretty pretty, you know,
middle, middle of the pack episode.
Yeah, absolutely. And that is fine.
They're not all bangers. They're not all bangers, and
that's OK. Not a bad episode, so I'll
chill. Cool.
So you know you'll find us on the Internet unless you have
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more you wanna share on this one.
I do not. I'm just really excited to see
more Kira this time around, honestly.
Yes, yeah. I'm.
So the next episode is a Halloween episode 'cause it's
it's set the night before Halloween Mischief Night.
And even though it airs in January.
And I only mention that because I feel like new shows do not do
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enough themed episodes. They should do more holiday
episodes. More holiday episodes.
They're the best. Thanksgiving episode of Glee.
Dude. You kidding?
I mean, even some of the Christmas episodes, although
there's one that we don't talk about but like.
The Christmas episodes of Community.
The Christmas episodes of Psych So good every Halloween episode
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ever is come. On good.
So like this one, the next one is set around Halloween.
It aired in January like whatever, but actually I think
the next two episodes are Halloween episodes, probably
because because 316 there's likea Halloween party.
Ah yes, so once again we are just going like one right after
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the other after the other. Yeah, like one day at a time.
Happening, you know, in a week. So just like putting that out to
the the TV writers in the universe who are not listening
to this podcast themed holiday episodes, baby, like I know
you're never gonna get a 22 episode order again.
And that's sad because streamingTV just absolutely ruined the
industry. But like try maybe it just slips
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a little something in there if you can give.
It 10 years cable will be back, it'll be fine.
They're already bundling cable'son the way back, baby.
Like. The the fact that you know, you
can get like 4 streaming services, I know now I'm like oh
that's cable OK, it's. Just cable it's.
Just cable, OK. So stupid anyway.
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Remember when your TV used to belike plugged into your to your
wall when cable had to be plugged in?
Mine still is because we're old.We have straight cable in this
house. That's fantastic, God.
When Netflix falls, we'll still be able to watch TV.
Dude, I've I cannot, sorry, we're no longer talking about
Teen Wolf. Except for the fact that if
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anyone knows where I can get Teen Wolf DVDs, I would very
much like to purchase some of those.
Dude, I would too actually. I miss having physical copies of
Stuff I. Oh my God, me too in the.
Last year the amount of CDs and DVDs and like Blu rays and books
I've purchased physical copies of things like if paying for
(57:21):
them isn't owning. I know.
Then like what? What's the point?
I know, I know, like. What's the point?
I can't I I refuse. And is that going to make me
old? Is it going to make it hard to
move? Yes, of course it is.
But I am getting older and I like being able to put on my
favorite movie without having tofigure out if I have streaming
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rights for it or not. A. 100%.
Paid $20.00. I own this disk, it's mine.
I'm so mad that I at one point, like, sold a bunch of DVDs.
I was like, probably not gonna watch this again.
Yeah, like, well, maybe. I don't know.
Yeah. 'Cause I bet those are a bunch
of things I can't stream now 'cause they've fucking taken
them down. Yeah, like, I can't stream Teen
Wolf. I cannot scream it in Norway.
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Yeah. Like, the only reason I'm able
to do this is because of decisions I made a long time
ago. Like, I don't like it.
I don't like, I don't like it. I don't care for it, you know,
especially, you know, as I fly around between countries,
between continents, you know. Oh, I'm sorry you don't have
permissions to view this in thisarea like, but I did when I got
(58:26):
on the plane. Yeah.
What what has changed is it justis it because it's, it's a no,
no over here now. Is it gonna be is it cool if I
get it on Hulu? Is it cool if I get it on HBO
Max? Like what?
Yeah, it sucks. And I just like, I'm so glad
that artists are starting to lean back into physical media.
(58:47):
The fact that I can still purchase Taylor Swift CDs, that
I can still purchase Olivia Rodrigo CDs, that I can still
purchase Javel Rd. CDs like I want.
Well, I don't know if I can purchase Javel Rd.
CDs. I hope I can.
I haven't tried. That's a good.
Question. I don't know if you can.
I hope I can, otherwise I'll buyI'll buy the digital and then
burn CD like it's fine, but likeI want to be able to support
artists directly again because nobody knows what the streaming
(59:11):
contracts are. Nobody tells you.
I just I. You can, well at least you can
on her website. You can buy ACD or an LP, yes.
So excited, but like we all talkabout the hopelessness and
helplessness of the world, but like, do what you can where you
can. Yeah well and the artists get a
(59:32):
bigger cut when you buy physicalmedia then when you stream.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Did I ever think that in the year of our Lord 2024 I would be
looking for ways to buy Weird AlYankovic CDs?
No, absolutely not at considering that man made like
$10 on streaming last year on Spotify.
No, I will be looking to purchase his his collection.
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Totally. Like, I don't, I don't know what
the problem is here, but sorry. Thank you for letting me stand
on my on my on my soapbox here. I have very strong feelings now
about physical media. If anyone works for like
Paramount and can get Evil on DVD somehow possibly, that would
be great because they've cancelled that as well and it'll
disappear and I want to watch itagain and again because I
(01:00:15):
fucking love it and it'll never be on DVD.
So these are the things that we that we love, that we miss.
So stay strong And OK, so it's that time.
Wash your water bottle and register to vote.
Yes, wash your water bottles. Register to vote, check your
voter registration. Even if this episode comes out
after the election, I don't know, do it anyway 'cause
(01:00:36):
elections happen every year depending on where you live
because of primaries, locals, etcetera.
Wash your water bottle. Straw down, down ballot always
important. Register to vote.
Actually, we're just going to put that on social media too
because, like, whatever. Yeah.
But yeah, water bottle straw. Register to vote, and we love
you and have a good rest of yourweek.
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