(S3E17) Pack Dynamics: A Teen Wolf Podcast - Silverfinger

You know what Teen Wolf needs more of? Lore.

In 3×17, "Silverfinger," we flash back in time to Chris Argent's first real gun deal, learning he's had more experience with the Oni than anyone expected. The Argent side of the McCall pack look to find an old contact named Katashi, who may have Very Important Lore And Information. In return, Chris plans to give him an old French rifle… which turns out to be a weapon used to murder a werewolf (huh, I wonder if that'll come back later).

Meanwhile, the McCall side of the McCall pack is trying to protect Scott from getting attacked by the Oni, and it's going swimmingly. Stiles is exhibiting all kinds of anxiety-inducing behavior, startlingly similar to a list of symptoms exhibited by his now-dead mother.

Agent McCall threatens the Sheriff and ends up with a gnarly shoulder wound (unrelated), Stiles checks himself into the hospital and ends up calling Melissa "mom" (unrelated), and, when approached by the Oni, Stiles seems to be the only one who can stop it before it draws the kanji on his head.

Weird. Probably nothing.

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Episode Transcript

(00:13):
You're listening to PAC Dynamics, A Fandom on the Rocks
podcast. Hello, welcome back to Fan on
the Rocks. No, PAC Dynamics A Fandom on the
Rocks podcast is the correct order of this.
I am Emily. And I'm Allison.
And this is Season 3, Episode 17Silverfinger.
So this season's picking up. Yeah, well, we're crashing

(00:34):
towards the end here. I mean, like, we're only
literally about halfway because there's what, 24 episodes in
total? So this is episode 17 of 24.
Yes. Yeah.
So this is about halfway. Yeah, yeah.
We're picking up, picking up. Picking up, getting our villains
lined up. I was really thinking today,
like before I watched this episode, like, you know what?

(00:56):
There's still a lot of things that I think are supposed to
happen this season. I wonder, I wonder when those
things are going to start happening now.
They're going to start happeningnow.
They happen now. Now is the time.
Now is the time. Our episode rundown is Scott
tries to protect Kira from the Demon Warriors while Ethan and
Aiden try to protect Scott and Styles is hospitalized.

(01:17):
This episode aired February 3rd,2014.
I really appreciate that the phrases Styles is hospitalized.
As if he didn't go to his motherand say like mom, I need help
and she puts him to bed. Yeah, 'cause that is
hospitalized is doing a lot of work.
Yeah, for sure. Styles technically is

(01:38):
hospitalized in the in the way that like he is in the hospital
and takes a nap at a hospital bed.
But like that sentence is doing a lot of work for sure.
It is so but. I'm not mad about it because it
sets up lots of other fun thingsto come.
Fun. Interesting.
Interesting. Interesting.
Interesting. Exciting.

(02:00):
Dynamic. Dynamic.
Yeah, she. Dropped.
She dropped the title. She dropped the episode title.
It was the important. Boom I OK I think.
I think my only complaint with this episode is I didn't
actually love the editing. No, I didn't.
OK, there was something. There was something a little

(02:20):
off. There was.
Something the the way the flashbacks and the back and
forth between scenes happened inthis episode.
I was like, I, I, I don't know that this was correct.
They were. They seemed out of order or not
quite cut in the right sequence.It's it's not like I would know

(02:41):
how to do it better, but it did seem a little off.
It did so it it starts and and like I had a thought of like,
did I did I accidentally Fast forward through something
because it it picks up with likea kid in a flashback, like a
very Gray flashback during a battle sequence.
And like, because I know kind ofhow this episode goes.

(03:03):
I was like, did I already miss that?
Chris is telling a story to the kids?
But no, it just kind of starts in the middle of the story, and
then you go back and you're like, oh, it's Chris telling a
story, and then you're right back.
Like, what? But how?
The order of his storytelling isvery off.
Yeah, I think, I, I think this whole episode could have been

(03:25):
served a little better if you had opened on like a black
screen with Chris saying like the opening, the opening word or
sentence or whatever it was. It was 24 years ago, Dun Dun.
And then like coming into the flashback.
Yeah, something like that. But like, you're right, they did
a lot of like going back, 'causeeven the characters who were

(03:47):
like in the present day and stationary, they're all moving
around a lot in this episode. So it's not like you're flashing
from the group in the vet officeto the group at Scott's house or
whatever. You're like, so you know, you've
got Chris and Allison and Isaac going from kind of the flashback
to Chris and Allison's house to the parking lot to inside the,

(04:08):
the stronghold, whatever. Who's got like 3 rooms in it.
You know, the, the entrance room, the hallway is the main
office. And then you've got Scott and
his his little group who are going like from the like when he
dropped off Kira to in Kiras room to Scotts house to school

(04:29):
to the parking lot to, you know,whatever.
You've got Agent Mcasshole at the police station and then at
Scott's house and then everything that happens with
him. And then you've got Styles
moving from like the school classroom to the hospital to the
darker colored hospital. Like everyone's moving around so
much it would be hard to keep track even if you weren't

(04:52):
bouncing back in time and bouncing back between plot
lines. There is a lot happening in
this. Episode Even in Scott and Kira's
scene that happens after the cold open, there's like a
flashback for no reason, right? She like goes home and then
thinks about what just happened.Yeah.
Like OK, no we didn't need that.You could just show them the

(05:15):
thing it was because it was super cute, but you're like, why
did? Why do we need a flashback of
something that happened 5 minutes ago?
Yeah, and let's not, you know, ignore the fact this is all
happening basically super glued to the last episode.
Yes, they've been they've been at this party all night long.
The sun came up and thou Scott takes care home like this whole

(05:39):
like I'm. I'm honestly a little mad that
Allison and Isaac don't aren't still covered in paint.
Right, like literally because itbecause they're not, it does
make it seem like some time has passed until you realize and you
kind of unless you're really paying attention because they're
not covered in paint. It it's not until styles is

(06:00):
like, I was just here in the classroom that you're like, Oh,
that was like 4 hours ago. Yeah, that was this morning.
Yeah. 'Cause it it didn't occur to me
until Scott drops Kira off 'cause I'm like, why is the sun
up? Yeah.
Like, oh, right, because you were just at that party where
Kira found out about the pack. Oh, oh, oh, oh, and this is it's

(06:20):
like super glued together. So it's very.
The time between 1516 and 17 is what, 36 hours?
Maybe, yeah. Something like that.
Pretty much. So, OK, so Gerard, Gerard, Chris
is telling a story that happened24 years ago when he was 18 and

(06:42):
Gerard had sent him to do an arms deal.
Your. Grandfather is a well respected
federally licensed arms dealer. The family business.
I also didn't know that Gerard was into guns, I thought that
was just Chris. No, apparently it's the family
business to deal in in arms. But he failed to tell Chris.
Or well, didn't fail. He purposely didn't tell him

(07:04):
that he was dealing with the Yakuza.
You know what? If you're going to deal with the
Japanese mafia, you really shouldn't have that information
in advance. Well, as Allison points out,
like this was a a test. Yeah, and Gerard is the worst,
but like, come on, man. Yeah, so of course our glowy

(07:25):
smoke monsters show up and just start taking out absolutely
everybody and they were after. OK.
My one problem with this episodeis the number of Japanese terms
in it that I just don't want to butcher.
Yeah, that's fair. What is he's Kumi ko or Kumi
Cho? Probably.

(07:46):
Kumi ko. I don't know, but he's the
leader of the group of yes, Yakuza.
Yeah, he's. A boss and so the can we just
call them what they are? Because I'm tired of calling
them shadow monsters. Yeah, we get the we get their
name in this episode, so the only.
They're the only they are the shadow monsters of the only so

(08:08):
they have arrived to take down or to go after the boss.
And Chris says it's like the moment the sun goes down, they
just materialized, which is whatwe have seen them do and that
they had those big black swords,bullets are doing nothing but
that the boss that they were going after was also some sort
of creature who had like big oldteeth and his eyes were kind of

(08:32):
whited out and he didn't know what that dude was.
Right. Chris is like, so I guess he's
sort of, I guess he's supernatural but nobody had any
idea what he was and the only end up sacrificing the metal
teeth guy real bad. Yeah, yeah, he gets stabbed to
death a lot. A lot.
And a few people survived that night, including Chris, because

(08:54):
it kind of looked like he was hiding under a dead guy.
For sure, that's definitely whatit looked like.
Which legit man, do what you gotto do.
Absolutely. But also a guy named Katashi who
is called Silverfinger because of silver prosthetic pinky that
he has on and he tells Alison, Scott and Isaac.
Like, that dude is probably going to be able to tell you
about the Oni, and it turns out Katashi's in the country and

(09:18):
I've known that for a while and I was trying to track him down
yesterday. That's how I got beat the fuck
up. Yeah, 'cause as Isaac says, he
it looks like he really doesn't want to be found.
And I snorted at my television because they definitely beat the
crap out of Christopher. Sure.
Did, although he looks a little better than he should for having
gotten his ass. Bleedy or bruisey, as him

(09:40):
passing out on his floor would suggest.
I like to think everyone's had asnack at some point today.
I hope so. A little nap.
A little something between the party and now, but who knows,
Hard to tell. So I just, and I, I texted you
this. But they give us time in this
episode, which is a problem for Teen Wolf because there are two

(10:03):
instances where they date themselves and this is one of
them. He says that this happened 24
years ago when he was 18. That makes him 42 now.
If Allison is 17 ish that means he and Victoria had her when
they were like 24. Which is a reasonable age for a
young family to have their firstbaby.

(10:25):
It isn't for you and me, but it is for like regular people.
So like six years after this happened, they had a baby.
Yeah, I think the part that really gets me I I might
actually have to just do some math here.
So how old did we figure out that Kate was?
Oh, I feel Oh yeah, I actually have to listen to that episode.

(10:47):
Yeah, so I feel like in my head,Kate is 28 when she dies.
Yeah, I think we did that math. So if Chris is 42 and Kate is
28, that means that Chris was 14when Kate was born, which is a
pretty wide gap. Yeah, been there.

(11:08):
And so then how old would Kate have been?
She would have been what? Dude, dude, I'm trying, sorry,
I'm trying to do. I'm trying to do math.
This is what word problems were meant for, folks.
This is the kind of word problemI wish I would have gotten in
7th grade. If an internationally renowned
arms dealer is 14 when his sister is born.

(11:29):
So how? Old is the daughter.
How old was was Kate when Allison was born?
I don't remember. So I I know that my every math
teacher in my entire life is cheering me on right now as I
try to figure this out. X / Y.
So let's see if this shouldn't be that hard, guys.

(11:50):
This shouldn't be that hard. I'm not.
Even trying because I'm not going to embarrass myself.
I'm embarrassing myself but I'm going to figure it out and I'm
really, really sorry to anybody who has to listen to this.
I'm a humanities. Major I feel like the math says
that that means that Kate would have been 10 when Allison was
born. I'll take it.
Because if Chris is 40, I don't know, I'm so sorry to every math

(12:15):
teacher I've ever had. But all of this to say is that
it absolutely makes sense if Kate is somewhere politely
between 10 and 12 years old whenAllison is born, not to keep
bringing up Kate in Season 3 beat, but you know, she's my
dad's sister, but she's really more like my sister.
Yeah, absolutely. If there's a smaller age gap
between your daughter and your sister than there is between you

(12:38):
and your sister, then like. It makes sense.
Yeah, so one of these days when I'm off the pod, I'm going to
try to do this math and figure it out.
I'm really sorry. I can't do it under pressure.
I'm not going to under pressure,guys.
Under pressure. But we'll just cut this all out.
This never happened. God I hope so, but something
that did in fact happen that I'mscreaming at the top of my lungs
in my notes and 18 year old Chris Archett Peter Hale would

(12:59):
have eaten this man with a spoon.
Oh yeah, this broke cute. A spoon like this man would not
have gone for Victoria Argent. I I don't, I don't know what to
tell you. This man would have gone for
Peter Hale like I I don't know. I don't know, man.
I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, Peter Hale would have
swooped in and been like, rescued the shit out of him.

(13:22):
Oh, hello. I hear you get yourself into
some sticky wickets. Can I help?
But the last thing we kind of learned from Chris's flashback
is that he ends up actually shooting the Oni in the face in
the mask and shattering the maskthat we've seen in the in his
little box. And they and the kids go what
was behind the mask? And Chris goes darkness,

(13:43):
absolute darkness. And my notes go in all caps.
Oh, like some kind of void? Yes, yes, some like some kind of
void. Like a void.
Like a void. It it does also mean that the
mask can be hurt by a bullet, but the only can't.
Yeah, which seems like a a flaw,but that's fine.

(14:04):
I'll take it. We'll take what we can get with
these guys. We'll take what we can get.
It's fine. I kind of I guess we'll get to
the only I kind of like with theeveryone is just absolutely
panicking about them for 24 hours.
If they just stopped and like let them did their shit it would
be over. Well, yeah.

(14:25):
You can't, right? You're not gonna let a bad guy
come at you, but except. For one.
Except for a while. Yeah, well around.
And we'll get there so. Yeah.
'Cause this whole episode, Scottis because Kira is convinced
that they're coming for her, especially after we learn the
things that she tells us, that she teaches us from that little
book that Scott is. Kira is convinced that the owner

(14:45):
coming after her to get her, to kill her, to whisk her off to
magic fox land, whatever. And Scott is insisting the
entire time like, no, nothing's gonna happen to you.
You are not evil. I know the bad guys.
And my whole heart is like, yeah, Derek fucks every bad guy
in town. We know all the bad guys.
Yeah, pretty much. And for a hot minute there,

(15:05):
Derek does show a little attraction to Kira.
And I'm like, Oh no, is she a bad guy?
The Derek Hale scale of attraction is actually just
people monitor. We're going to get there at the
end of this episode. We're going to talk about the
people that Derek is sexually and romantically attracted to
and whether or not they're bad guys.
We're going to talk about it three.
We're going 3 for three. Thanks.

(15:27):
Oh damn, that guy needs to go toa monastery.
God. Yeah, but Speaking of baby girl
Kira, after the credits, we get her sneaking home in the bright
daylight because she's been at aparty all night long with her
comic book pants. Yeah, her outfits are adorable.
I. Love her so much and we get that
little flashback that we definitely didn't need from like

(15:48):
a few minutes ago. And it's about Kira getting a
ride home from Scott after the party.
So lest we forget, at the end oflast episode Kira found out
about the pack because the only came in and everyone was like
all claws and flashy eyes. That's because that's the noise
that werewolves make. Yes, canonically.

(16:09):
Roars. Hey, don't you remember Scott's
first roar at the school? I do, it was a kitten snarl, but
yes it was. Adorable.
But she is so like softly curious about Scott.
And the thing that I just adore adore, adore about the both of
them right now is that Kira's asking questions, but just like

(16:29):
a little bit and she's not scared.
She's talking to Scott in a verylike trauma informed way.
And Scott is also so, so scared because the last time he showed
his wolf face to a girl who he was interested in, she panicked
and tried to kill him. I.
Mean it happens. And so he is so scared and he

(16:52):
doesn't want that to happen again, obviously.
No, of course not. But he trusts.
Here, being a teenager is all about being worried about being
rejected. Of course, absolutely.
And for Scott, it's also about physical violence, but it's
emotionally, it's about being rejected.
But you know, she asks really politely, like, can I see?
And so Scott puts his motorcyclehelmet on and then takes it off

(17:15):
and he's transformed. And she like, very taut, like,
soft, like touches his face. And they're just so soft and so
cute. And he loves her and she loves
him. And I love them both.
And they're just, they're so soft.
They are adorable. Love them.
They're super cute. I did worry for a hot second.
Like please Scott, put that helmet back on before someone

(17:35):
sees you. Correct.
But it's chill, it's fine. It's fine guys.
It's fine. Yeah, I was like, hold on,
buddy, If you could just put that back on before we all get
in trouble. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Bye. Yeah.
But I like these kind of scenes that are, to me, these are like
the teen scenes and the Teen Wolf.
Yes. Yeah, because a lot of this
episode of The Wolf of the Teen Wolf and you're like, Oh yeah,

(17:59):
these are they're kids. They're little kiddos.
It's one of the things that I very much miss about Jackson is
that Jackson was so often the teen part of Teen Wolf.
For sure. And like, Scott's dealing with a
lot of stuff right now, he's about to deal with a lot more.
And it's just nice that he has like a cute crush on a girl who
likes him back. And that's, that's nice for him.

(18:21):
It is nice for him, I guess. Also kind of nicer is that the
murder twins want to protect him.
Yeah, after killing a lot of their friends, like it's a nice
change of pace. Yeah, I mean, you know,
apologize, maybe try to make amends using your words, but
they, they have decided that they're going to follow him day

(18:43):
and night to protect him from the demon ninjas that have
kicked all of their asses. You know what?
And they're not wrong. They're not wrong.
I don't. Given what they have all seen
from the Oni, I'm not sure what they think they're going to do
other than be cannon fodder, but.
It's still a nice gesture. It is a nice gesture.
I Scott's like, hey, I'm I need to talk to Styles to fill him in

(19:06):
on the ninjas, and I'm gonna do that without you eavesdropping.
And they're like, how are you gonna do that?
I'm the true alpha. You have no idea what I can do.
Scotty, Scotty, do you know whatyou can do?
No, he doesn't. Have you been here long enough
to know what you can do? He he doesn't, but I absolutely
love him lying to them. Yes, threaten them.

(19:27):
Yeah, I thought that was speaking.
Of adorable. Just when I think that Scott and
Styles have moved on into their own lives, they once again
become the best of besties. My besties.
Oh my God, they love each other so much.
Me. Too.
So Styles and Scott have to havelike, a lowdown after what

(19:47):
happened because Styles left theparty after being pressed on
whether or not he likes men to go to the chemistry classroom
and, you know, discover that he was the bad guy.
But every piece of evidence is gone.
Yes, all of it wiped clean. So there's no key, there's no
chalkboard, and. The chalkboard's there, the

(20:08):
writing's gone. Yes, the chalkboard's there, but
the writing is gone. And he talks about an article
that came out about William Barrow, the crazy guy with the
the the prison and the sliced open fly body and talking about
the shrapnel bomb that he planted, which was like nuts,
bolts and screws wrapped in a birthday present.

(20:30):
The same thing that they did Coach and Styles is panicking.
Like that was my idea. Like where did that come from?
Good point Styles. Where did it come from?
It's a great question, but Styles is very politely going
absolutely mentally crazy because he's determined that
things are true, that there is no evidence for, and he cannot

(20:53):
believe or disprove his own stuff.
Like he is. He is and he's spiralling.
Yeah, he's straight panicking. He's not sleeping, he's probably
not eating. He's he's losing it.
Yeah, not good. But Scott in classic Scott is
like, we got this, we're gonna do it together.
We're gonna figure it out. Don't worry.

(21:15):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean worrisome.
Yeah, but. Worry like a little bit.
Worry like a regular amount. Yeah, for their lives their
don't worry. Is our call the police correct?
But Scott now becomes deeply convinced that the scary ninjas
are going after Kira. Yeah, which, you know, it's not

(21:36):
totally wrong. They're just coming after
everybody. They're coming after everybody.
Yeah. So we go, we kind of bounce
around constantly in this. Do we want to stick with one
plot line or do we have to do itin order?
It kind of feels like you have to do it in order because they
if you if you stick with like just the Argent, you end up at
the end without the rest. It's true.

(21:57):
Which OK, and if you think aboutit.
So we so we go back to the Argent and Chris is still
monologuing at Allison and Isaac, who apparently are just
not going to go to school, even though Scott did.
Like this scene is a continuation of him talking
about the only from before when Scott was there, but now he's
just continuing with. So at some point Scott was like,

(22:19):
I'm going to to go to school andand Chris was like, my children
will stay, here you go. Probably because he's allowed to
call his children out of school where he's not allowed to call
Scott out of school. Does that mean he can call Isaac
out of school? Is he now like the legal
guardian to be like? No, this one doesn't have to
come to school. Chris is Isaac.
He's biological father. I don't know what you were

(22:41):
talking about. Sure, yeah, totally.
Which that means they can't date.
I've messed everything up again,I'm very sorry.
He is his forever legal guardian.
Don't make it worse. Don't make it worse.
Don't make it worse. Don't make it worse.
Well, Speaking of making it worse, because now Chris and
Isaac and Allison are all talking about Scott and how
worried they are. Yeah.

(23:02):
And I'm like, cool. So Chris and his children and
all of their partners, everyone is just worried about everyone.
This is his family. This is this is his little pack,
his ragtag pack. His children and their
boyfriend. When I label this section in my
notes, it's always just the argents.
Exactly. That's that's the headline of

(23:24):
this of wouldn't I write notes about these scenes?
It's just the argents. Isaac Leahy, Hail Argent.
Yeah, Isaac Leahy. Hail Argent.
So their current problem is thatKatashi doesn't see visitors,
obviously, because that would betoo easy.
But he has a thing for rare antique weapons, and by God,
good thing Chris has a whole stash of those.

(23:46):
Your father is a well respected father.
He's an army hailer. Including a French flintlock
turnover pistol from 1645. Because yeah, totally.
Of course he does, obviously. Of course he does.
And he's like, Katashi's going to want this piece of shit.
Like what if what if Katashi waslike, no, I have one.
I'm sorry Chris, didn't you sellme the brother pistols with this

(24:08):
like 20 years ago? Like.
Dad have been hilarious he was like no you gave me the partner
I'm good your. Your father gave me the partner
to this gun. Yeah, so.
And obviously Isaac and Allison are like, we're going to do this
deal with you. You can't leave us behind, even
though we're children. Yeah, for sure.
So deep sigh, deep sigh. And I'm sure that whole that

(24:30):
whole exchange is going to go really well.
Oh, for sure. Speaking of going really well,
we have to go to the sheriff station where Detective Douche
is walking in on the phone with persons unknown saying yeah I'm
walking in now trying to avoid the hostile stares of everyone
here and I'm just really glad heknows everyone hates him.
Correct. And he's saying that there's

(24:50):
like a week or two to go before the formal review, but he's got
enough shit to put Sheriff. Everybody loves him out of work.
Like forever. Out of government work forever.
Deep. Sigh, now go fuck yourself.
Detect a douchebag. You might be tall, but no one
likes you. You're tall and handsome and
that's where it ends. And that's it.

(25:12):
He opens up his laptop and thereis a security warning on the
screen because his laptop has been set, which is pretty smart.
I got to give him credit for that, for sure.
To take a photo whenever someone's tampering with it.
And it's a photo of Scott and Kira from that morning.
I guess the day probably were. Well, it would have been like

(25:34):
after midnight. So 'cause it was after the
party. During the party?
No, before the party. Yeah, 'cause then they went to
the party. So it was before the.
Party. So it's the last night, yeah.
So it's them breaking into the laptop to the photos from her
cell phone. Yep.
Oopsies. I love that this entire like
30-40 second scene is just for him to find the photo on his

(25:58):
laptop screen. Yeah, yeah, that's just and and
to make him worse before we to be like kill him off.
I'm gonna destroy the sheriff's career.
So like, by the time, you know, by the time we get to the apex,
the episode, we hate his stinking guts.
Yeah, totally. Which is really good
emotionally, but ger. Yeah, I know.

(26:19):
I mean, they didn't actually have to work that hard to make
us hate him, because we already do.
Yeah, Scott hates him. Melissa hates him.
We're done. We're we're good man.
But things are going to get complicated.
They are. And Speaking of complicated, we
have Styles at the very same time that all of this is
happening. Checking going to the hospital

(26:39):
and he's checking in with MissusMiss McCall.
Miss, Miss, Miss, Miss Melissa. Melissa.
So, OK, do you ever get, do you ever think about the fact that
female characters will get called by their first name, but
then like male characters will get called by a title or their
last name? All the time.
It happens in real life, happensin the media, happens forever.

(27:00):
So like, is it OK to just call her Melissa even though she's
actually like Nurse McCall? Well I called the sheriff the
sheriff because he doesn't have a canonical first name until
like season 5. And the and the first name they
give him is so lazy. I think they just did it.
Yeah, it's wrong. It's it's not correct.
It's wrong. It's fine.

(27:20):
Fandom has a different one, but it's not canonically.
It's not. Yeah, we tend to call Chris,
Chris. We only.
We almost never call him Mr. Argent.
Mr. Argent's my father. Mr. Argent's my father.
You can call me Christopher and.Detective douchebag, right?
Because otherwise you call him. Rafael.
Rafael. And nobody calls him that.
And the show. Yeah, it's agent.

(27:43):
Special agent or dad? You could call him McCall, but a
lot of people call Scott. McCall Yeah, and they call the
Sheriff Stilinski most of the time, Yeah, because they he
doesn't have he doesn't have a canonical first.
He literally. Doesn't have a name until the
show is almost over. Yeah.
Which is so fucking lazy to not name your characters.

(28:03):
It's pretty wild, yeah. It's like in ROM coms when the
characters themselves actually don't have a last name and it'll
be in the credits where they don't have a last name.
Yeah. But yeah, I was actually
thinking about that specificallyin this episode.
And I don't know why. I think it was because I was
typing them out like Melissa. And I was like, I mean,
shouldn't Should I be more respectful to her as like one of
the main female characters and we're just calling her by her

(28:26):
first name even though she's gotlike a medical degree and.
Yeah. Or is that overthinking it?
I mean like it's overthinking it.
I think for taking notes for a podcast as a as a societal
understanding, no, it's not overthinking it.
It's it's thinking about it the right amount.
I just want to be respectful to Melissa Banff McCall.
Yeah. Well, anyway.

(28:47):
For the moment, it's Mama, Papa and Daddy and Agent Mcasshole.
That's true. So and Uncle Zombie.
Uncle Zombie Peter. Yeah, so aside from that aside,
Stiles is checking in with his other mother, Melissa McCall,
about his symptoms, and she's saying that, like, whatever

(29:09):
doctor he might see is out untilnext week.
And then she notices that he's like straight up gonna cry.
Yeah. And like it as somebody who does
that. It cries or notices it.
Cries. Oh yeah, for real.
You look at him in this scene and you're like, all she said
was that your doctor isn't available till next week.

(29:29):
Why are you crying? And it's and then that's not it.
You're not crying because that, you're crying because that is
like piece of straw #807 that's sitting on your shoulders and
that's the one that breaks you. And it's never something big,
and it's almost never in front of somebody who knows about all
the other straws. Yeah, totally.

(29:50):
But he literally is about to break down and I just want to
wrap him in my arms because noneof this is really his fault.
I love the way he does the line because she asks like, are you
all right? And he goes, I guess not really.
Yeah, like the the pause in there.
I this really again? Excellent acting from Dylan

(30:10):
O'Brien. And it only gets better.
It sure does. She takes him to an exam room.
I don't know what this is going to cost.
I hope his. I hope well, the sheriff's
insurance has got to be really good.
And he would be. On no, it's really bad, but
we'll talk about that in a few seasons.
That's true. It's in fact really bad.
We'll keep. We'll talk about it in the next
few seasons. So she takes him to an exam room

(30:32):
and and starts going through hisblackouts, sleepwalking,
anxiety, panic attacks, losing the ability to read.
Did. OK, there's a second in here.
And the framing is that she's inthe foreground.
He's kind of in the background at an angle.
And, you know, he says, lost theability to read, but that might
have to do with that whole, like, ancient demon tree stump

(30:52):
thing. And she's like, oh, yeah, I
remember that, ha ha. And then, like, he gives her a
long look when she says that. And I don't know why.
I didn't see it and now need to go back and see it.
There's just like, there's just like a pause when he mentions
the losing the ability to read and, and she's like, Oh yeah, I

(31:15):
remember that whole tree thing. Ha ha, 'cause you know, she was
red in on the whole situation. And there's just like a long
look that he gives her kind of from like under the eyelashes to
the side. And I was like, what is with
this look? I'm right there and I'm watching
it happen. Also, I'm very sad for Dylan
O'Brien Season 3 here. It's not very it's it's gettin
worse. I know, I love that you just

(31:36):
have it to pull up. I do, of course, turn on the TV.
Yeah. So this look, so something that
we'll talk about throughout the rest of the season and, you
know, polite spoiler alert for the big bad that we'll get to
know a little bit better by the end of the episode.
Who gives this look? I guess is the.
He does. Yeah.

(31:57):
Because as you kind of like as AI was a giffer when you look at
the difference between when it'sstyles and when it's not.
MM Hmm. Not Styles has big bags under
his eyes almost always. Yeah, he does.
There's very different lighting too.
He's. Very different lighting.
And I think this is not Styles who gives her this look because

(32:20):
he is in shadow and his eyes, his eyes are dark.
And I don't think it's Styles who gives her this look.
I'm looking at it now and I, I'm, you know, this is a take it
for what you will with as many grains of salt as you would
like. But I don't think that Styles,
who gives her that? Look, I didn't think so either.
But I'd never seen that before. Thank you for pointing it out.

(32:41):
You're welcome. There's certain scenes that I've
seen like a ton of times in certain episodes 'cause you're
like, ah, I love the acting in this episode, right?
And I guess for some reason I hadn't clocked this.
I don't know why, but I was like, damn, they held on that.
Yeah, they did. They really held.
And he, he gave it and they, they chose it.
It was great. Because that's also the thing
about editing is like, they're going to do this a couple of

(33:03):
times and then the editor and the director pick which one
makes it. Yeah, and it really, and it
really matters. Yeah.
Because like, just think about this stare compared to like,
last episode when he's like, youknow, staring off into things,
when he's thinking about the key, when he's thinking about
whether he's attracted to boys. Like those were all lingering

(33:25):
stares on things and people. And they're all very different.
Yeah. So, yeah, it's very it's it's
interesting, but yeah, we can talk a lot about what not Styles
may have been thinking about Melissa and the sacrifice and
the things that were given to the things that were given to
the nematon. It's very interesting.

(33:46):
But yeah, it's super helpful that she's right into the whole
werewolf thing, so. Helpful.
It really is. My God.
And it turns out that Styles hasgotten 8 hours of sleep in the
last three days. Yeah, now for me as an old
person. No Oh I get 8 hours of sleep on
night I'm. Mad if I don't get 8 hours of
sleep at night. Let's be real with ourselves

(34:07):
here. As a teenager I probably could
have done it. I'm I I could I could have done
it. Yeah, maybe.
Should I have done it? No.
I've always been a sleepy bitch.Yeah, I could have, if I like,
really had, if I had, like, air,like airplane flights and
theater rehearsal and whatever, I could have done it.

(34:28):
But like, no, no, thank you. Yeah.
And so Melissa, being the world's best medical provider,
goes through his list of symptoms, and she's, like,
knocking him off like, 1 after the other.
And Styles is so worried. He's like, do you know what this
is? And she pulls up a syringe and
Styles is so scared. Yeah, well.
More, more scared than usual. Yes, I did.

(34:51):
I I had concerns, 'cause I was like, you're just, you're just
getting a needle out without like an order, Like no, OK, I
don't know that's. Medical professional Melissa
McCall, who needs no oversight. She is the oversight.
She just, she just gives this boy a sedative without telling
him what it is, without asking for consent.

(35:12):
Without getting an actual prescription, she just, she just
medicates this boy. No prescriptions whatsoever.
I'm pretty sure that would have been in like a locked yeah
container. Like for sure.
Damn Melissa for sure. So she just very politely drugs
him. But because Melissa McCall is
the world's best medical provider and the world's best
person, we know that she's doingit out of love and she's not

(35:35):
giving him anything scary. And so it turns out that it is a
sedative. And she decides that he needs to
take a nap. Oh, yeah, he has.
He is just sleep deprived. And he is.
And he is. There's such interesting science
about sleep deprivation. It's scary.
It's really scary. But no one yet has died.

(35:56):
You go your your brain comes unglued.
Oh yeah. But no one yet, to my knowledge,
has died of sleep deprivation like you do with water or food
or oxygen. Your your brain comes completely
unglued. But it's so it's this.
The science behind sleep is so fascinating.

(36:17):
And it does not take long beforebefore you you really start to
come unhinged. Yeah, 2-3 days, totally
unhinged. It takes him about 30 seconds
before he falls right back into sleep and he curls up real tight
and he says thanks mom. And the look that she gives him

(36:40):
is very much confusing and heartbreaking.
It is, yeah. But it didn't even.
It doesn't even occur to me until right now that Styles may
have been the one to trigger that thought in Melissa.
Yeah, I think he did. Yeah, I 'cause like, I'm
thinking like, Oh yeah, well, maybe those two things are

(37:00):
similar, but it would have been him saying thanks mom, that
triggers Melissa would be going like, mom, huh?
So we'll talk about that here ina few scenes.
I think we can stick on this onebecause because so she comes
back at some point to check on him.
He's still asleep, but she comesand looks at his chart and I
love that she just highlights all of it.

(37:22):
Yeah, one, it's like. When you're taking, yeah, you're
like taking notes and you just highlight the entire thing.
Like fuck it, I need all of it. It's a coloring one.
And then she like has a a thought and she goes into the
medical records room and just pulls up a paper file again, I
think you need permission. I don't know, whatever.
She pulls up another file and ithas the exact same symptoms and

(37:43):
the same blue highlighting. Pitching, pitching, pitching.
And it is Claudia Stolinski's file.
Hi, Mom. And she died in to that.
It's hallucinations, impulsivity, irritability,
irritable and insomnia as well as like vivid daytime dreaming,
can't distinguish dreams from reality, etcetera.

(38:04):
But it's just like a note because this is the second time
they date something very specifically in this episode,
the date on the file says that she died in 2004, which does
conflict with what the sheriff said in Alphapact because he
says it. What he says in that one is it
wouldn't have been eight years ago if it's supposed to be like

(38:27):
whatever year it is on the show.What did he say then?
He all he says in in Alphapact is that she died 8 years ago,
which is but if it's 2011 in theshow. 2012.
I think the show, because of when you're like filming, people
have suggested that it's like 2011 in the show.

(38:50):
Maybe, but. Like the timeline?
I think you could you could squeeze it to 2012 because
doesn't it doesn't this film andit doesn't this debut in 2013.
Wasn't this a 2013 episode? This episode is a 20.
What did I say? No, this is 2014.
Oh see then this could very easily be 2012 I.
Don't know man, the timeline of her death there's like a whole

(39:12):
page dedicated to like when did when did she die?
Yeah, as as there should be, butI'm saying I can stretch it it
it's about 8 years ago ish. Yeah, there's a whole page
called Teen Wolf. Can't tell time.
Correct. They're that's absolutely
correct. They cannot tell time.
So it's, it's another one of those like, could we not, could

(39:33):
we just stop trying to like put specific dates in the show
'cause they never match up? But she does have a very large
deceased sticker on her on her thing.
It in fact does, and the symptoms correlate to styles is
current sometimes. So we're supposed to be
thinking, does Styles actually have the same thing that killed

(39:54):
his mother? Yes, which would be really
shitty for styles. Correct, Except we know that he
did die for like 16 hours. Correct.
So he'd already died once. Yeah, he's fine.
Is he fine? Totally fine.
Yeah, totally fine. So we got to go back to the

(40:15):
Argens I guess. Yeah, and unknown amount of time
has passed, but they are. Yeah, they're just hanging out
going to the gun deal. Yeah, they're my son is a well
respected federally licensed armstander.
Yeah, apparently they, they got this deal done quickly because
it's the same day. It's like what, a couple hours

(40:36):
later maybe? Maybe.
And they're like, uh oh, Katashi's not going to do this
in person. So Plan B, which is putting
Isaac in Chris's suit and sending him in.
You know, that's fine. That's a fine plan.
He's looking real cute, but he'sreal nervous.
He's real cute and real nervous.The thing that really bumps me

(40:58):
about the scene is they keep mispronouncing the word recluse
and they keep saying recluse. Recluse like a round recluse.
And I'm like, I don't think you're wrong, but like, I don't
think you're right. I don't, I don't like it.
And so the whole it, it bombed me the first time because Chris
said it initially and I was like, oh, he probably just

(41:20):
mispronounced it. But then Isaac said it again and
I was like, guys, guys, guys, guys.
Now am I going to get a call from my mother saying no,
Allison, you pronounce it recluse and not recluse?
But I it, it bombed me the wholetime.
Bombed me the whole time. Yeah, no recluse, right?
I listen. I can't pronounce both

(41:42):
correctly. So like.
Fair enough. Both.
Both. Both.
But yeah, so they have to send Allison and in person, and he is
or not Allison, Isaac, Isaac andin person.
And he is so nervous and he's looking so cute in his suit.
And Allison is trying to, like, psych him up.
And like, you're gonna go in there and be a man, a boyish

(42:02):
looking man. And then to, you know, give him
some additional confidence points, decides to smooch him
firmly on the face. Yeah, it didn't.
Love this. OK.
It just felt like a repeat of something she had done before to
Scott. Yeah, it is.
I was like, Allison doesn't need, it's like the same issue

(42:26):
that I have with like season 1, season 2 Lydia.
Like we don't need to use femalecharacter sexuality to make men
feel better. Yeah, this is the thing about me
naked. But yeah, with Isaac.
Yeah, and like, not in front of your dad.
So can can we? Can we bring out the bridles and
and go for a trot here for a second?

(42:47):
Yes 'cause we gotta we gotta take a little trot on the
conspiracy pony. So this is a seems to be a
pattern with Allison about usingsexuality for influence over
men. Did she learn this from her Aunt
Kate I? Mean probably.
From her big sister. Yeah.

(43:08):
It would not surprise me at all if this is a thing that she
learned from Kate. This is a pattern.
This would have this wouldn't have come from Victoria.
This wouldn't really have come from Chris.
I I didn't even see it as a pattern before, but you're
completely correct. This is a pattern of things that
she does, and it would not surprise me in the least if she
learned it from Kate. Yeah, I can see Kate just and

(43:31):
like actively teaching her not even it being a something you
learn through osmosis, right, but.
Actively teaching her. Yeah, like this is how we do
things. And she's wrong, but OK.
But yeah, she definitely smooches him firmly on the face
and places his hand on her booty.
She is very much trying to use her sexual prowess to hype him

(43:52):
up in order to go in and fake sell a gun.
Yeah, fake. Sell a real gun.
Fake sell a real gun. But yeah, fake sell a gun.
Yeah, unfortunately there is another gentleman whose name is
Kincaid, but I only know that cause the credits say so.
Brad. Who also has big shark claws?

(44:14):
I I think this is what they weretrying to get with like Ennis,
this kind of vibe but Kincaid does it better.
He does do it better. He's more interesting, yeah.
Yeah, and I love that Kincaid ismore interesting in like 1
episode than Ennis was in like 4.
Yeah, I don't. Know what it?

(44:35):
Wants I could hang around with Kincaid for a while, yeah.
For sure. Like, is he a good guy?
No. Is he interesting?
Yeah, yeah. Could be.
Could be, yeah, because he learned he knows about the gun.
Yeah, Isaac does his spiel aboutthe gun, which actually goes
pretty well. Yeah, until Kincaid's like, bro,
you, you don't actually know thereal story of this gun.

(44:57):
And it it was used to kill a werewolf.
Yeah, by his family's code, the brother of this man killed him
with this very gun like of course that happened.
Yeah, OK. Sounds great.
Of course the Arjuns were involved.
Of course they were. And then?
Kate's like ger ark. I think we can kind of keep with

(45:18):
this. Yeah, for a.
While so Isaac is being the distraction, so he is trying to
distract Kincaid and the rest ofthe of the crew.
While Chris and Allison are justlike beating the shit out of
other nice people that are all the way in the building.
And Isaac is just like taking his sweet time and like it's
going progressively downhill when it turns out that Kincaid

(45:40):
knows more about this gun than Isaac does.
I do like that that he knows more though.
Yes, 'cause. That's you should always know
what you're getting into before you get in into it, unlike
Isaac. Poor, poor, poor guy, poor boy.
But eventually it turns into wolf V wolf because his Kincaid
gets a little too close to Isaacand Isaac was like, I'm a wolf.

(46:00):
And then we flashed A Katashi who's inside the the the space.
We're just watching it all on very nicely shot video.
That's not security footage. That's like a guy with a cell
phone. Yeah, he's like he's got it on
an iPad. Love that, love that.
Incredible. But yeah, so he's he's watching,
and then Chris appears in the doorway while Allison disarms

(46:23):
Katashi with like a chain. Like a chain whip of some kind.
Ma ma. Ma before that was kind of cool.
I only have one heart, please stop doing things to it.
Yeah, yeah. And then Isaac gets pulled in by
Kincaid and they're like guys, they have a werewolf too.

(46:47):
So now we got a little It's not it's not even like a stalemate
cuz like they're all just there to chat about the only.
They're all just there to chat about the only.
And I think, again, I think we may be able to get all the way,
all the way through this, all the way through this plot
without having to go back. Almost.
Because what happens at the end here is that once.

(47:09):
No. Maybe because no.
Because what happens is the scene with Katashi cuts back and
forth with with Kira. So it's like.
Yeah. These are the only this is the
thing this is and they go back and they go back and they got
like blah, blah blah. So what's been happening while
Allison and the rest of the Argents are trying to get to

(47:30):
Silverfinger is that Scott and Kira need to go be alone
somewhere. And so Kira definitely pulls
some sort of car part from the Twins bikes because she's just a
little trickster troublemaker and I love her.
I think it was the starter. Yeah, I started the spark plugs
and they go to Scott's house to kind of batten down the hatches

(47:54):
for the evenings spooky ninja proclivities.
And they have. I love that.
So Scott against the timeline. So there was a thing that
happened a couple of weeks ago. So it's only been a handful of
weeks since like the end of 3A and that after the sacrifice,

(48:16):
Scott's boss put in a new alarm system.
Yeah. Where is Deaton?
Where you been through all of this?
I love because because Kira is like, she's here to commit to
the bit, but she also has no information.
She's like, oh, so your boss like installs alarms like he's a
vet. Your vet installed your alarm
system. Yeah, he hasn't actually had
time to explain like Deaton. Like not all of it, but a little

(48:40):
bit of it. And I just, I love it so much.
But Kira and Scott go upstairs and they Kira has this like
children's book. Yes.
Sort of. It's a, it's a, it's an
illustrated book and she thinks she knows what she is and shows,
she starts to explain what a kitsune is.

(49:02):
Yes, she's a little fox creature.
He's a little fox creature. Kitsune is a Japanese fox spirit
and they could do all sorts of cool things.
They rub their tails together and create fire or lightning.
She makes a nice joke about cause kitsune, cause kitsune are
also psychic. I know what you're thinking.
And Scott's whole face is like, oh, it's incredible.
They're not psychic. And so it talks about, you know,

(49:24):
how foxes and wolves aren't really friends and the the
things that they can do. So Kira is laying out what a
kitsune is and that she thinks that this is what what she is,
halfway through this very nice lesson that they're giving to
us. I know I love the exposition for
us. You know what dude?

(49:46):
It's exposition for Scott too. I don't mind it at all.
Oh, and the lightning is called Foxfire.
Oh yes. For however, many people are
using the Firefox browser. Of course.
With the little kitsune icon logo.
We would also be remiss to not mention the Pokémon 9 tails.
Yeah, who is definitely Who is a?
Higher psychic type. Yeah, she's definitely also a

(50:10):
kitsune for sure. They're so cute.
They're pretty great. But halfway through this,
somebody decides to storm the fucking house.
So detective douchebag just likestorms into the McCall house.
'Cause primary still has a key. And Scott's like you still like,
how do you still have a key? And Detective Douchebag is like,
well, how do you guys have a keyto my office and just decides

(50:30):
that this is the most important thing that he could be doing
right now. It's 'cause he don't know shit.
Because he don't know yet. And as a detective, he seems to
have very little situational awareness.
He he doesn't seem to notice that all the doors and windows
are locked and the blinds are drawn, and that like they're
home in the dark, things are tense and they're trying to get

(50:54):
him to leave. And like the only thing he cares
about is like what were you 2 doing in my office on my like
Sir? Yeah, he also just hasn't
noticed any of the things going on in the town.
No, not at all. But of course he doesn't cuz
he's the foil. And the worst?
And the worst, obviously, you know Melissa has to come home

(51:14):
right as it gets dark because she has to be there to activate
the security system and the onlySO gets dark just as as if
someone turned the lights out onthe town.
Yep, which is funny. Cuz like the curious, like
walking the sunset through the window the whole time and she's
like. Guys, guys, guys, guys, the only
materialize and then detective douchebag, just like he sees

(51:38):
these things that weren't there and then are there and he's
like, hey, what's that? And just walks right up to a
smoke creature with a mask. Who are you?
And gets stabbed in the chest. Actually stabbed.
And like. I always forget is that just
because you can't hurt the only doesn't mean the only can't hurt

(52:00):
you. Yeah, those blades are still
blades. Yeah, they are not ghost blades.
They are real blades. And like, not to blame the
victim but what the fuck man? So what's going to walk up to it
when? Scott says, hey, maybe you
should leave. And then you don't leave and you
walk closer to the thing that's going to hurt you.
Like, I don't know man. Who?

(52:23):
They appeared out of nowhere andhe just walks up to it.
Yeah. Doesn't even draw a gun.
He's just like, hey. Who are you?
And then he look at that man getting stabbed, just stabbed
right in the chest. And so he's getting stabbed and
Melissa's like rut row and immediately, because she has
been trained in trouble medicine, drags his body into

(52:44):
the hallway. That's like a six foot 5 dude
that. Guy's got to weigh like one,
9200. Yeah, and she, she just.
Drags his dead. Weight just drags him.
And so we start. We start now the werewolf fight
where they proceed to break every single window in the most
household. OK, but I did love like a side
door like swung open white mist port in and then Derek Hale just

(53:07):
like slid into the room just. Leapt out.
Just amongst the mist. It's incredible.
It was pretty sweet. Derek comes in so helpful.
The ninjas are coming for Kira and then we get twin magic is
the twins leap in the house and they're breaking every single
one of her windows and I hate this.

(53:28):
And then Melissa is able to grabthe mountain ash and smash dance
the door frame and seal the house.
Yep. So in the middle of all this
chaos, Mama McCall coming in forthe win and seals the door.
Yep, love it. But will the mountain ash hold
the Ghost Ninjas? And it does for a while.
It does for a while, and we alsolearned that it holds Kira.

(53:49):
It does. We learned.
That it does seem like a new a new thing that it holds.
Kitson, eh? Yeah, that's new.
It's new and I like Derek being like, oh, the baseboards are
Ashwood. Oh, that's nice.
Nice. That's nice.
Where did you come from? I've been following you for how
long? All day.
And I like how Derek says it. Like duh, Scott, obviously.

(54:11):
Fucking idiot. Fucking idiot.
This is introducing Derek Hale, Co president of the Scott McCall
Fan Club. Yeah, he this is his turn now to
be like, obviously we're protecting you, you little
idiot, you stupid. Ass idiot it I love you.
Stop it. I love you, you moron.
Exactly, very it's very, very Gilmore of him.

(54:31):
But yes, also I didn't understand it.
I didn't get it. I didn't get it for someone
who's shipping goggles are on atall times.
I didn't get Derek and Kira. I do now because.
I still don't, but I'm glad you do.
Because Derek walks in and immediately sees Kira, who he
has never met before and like eyes her up and down and she

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like looks at him with these like big sparkly eyes.
I mean, obviously. And I'm just like, oh, now will
they have more interactions later with?
Is this just it? I don't know.
It's still, I don't think for me, but I do adore these two in
fic. One of my favorite fic things

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that happens with Derek and Kirais that there's lore.
There's there's fan and lore about Derek and Laura getting to
know Kira's parents. Yes, I've read that.
Because they they so 'cause theymoved from New York City, where
Derek and Laura ended up. And so that like Derek and Laura

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and Noshko and Ken and Kira werelike Broskis.
So there's a lot of like, yeah, I'm childhood friends with Kira.
And because they're such an odd couple pairing, but I love them
so. I yeah, I mean, for me, I took
it as like sees new person and it's like supernatural creature.

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Fascinating. Well.
Yeah, because Derek immediately berates the twins for like, not
looking at like she's a kitsune,obviously.
Stupid ass. I loved that moment of just like
literally she's a kitsune idiot.Use your eyes.
You can see it all around her. And then like going to Kira.
She probably doesn't even know what kind she is either.

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To me it was like a big. So young like like so when did
when did you when did you get all wives?
Sir? Did you learn things?
Derek, you're like 5 years olderthan them.
Shut up. Yeah, but no, he's definitely
like little sister and Kira. And I'm just like, I love, I
love this. And he's also like, oh, so
you're the girl who's going to date my brother?
Like OK. Yeah, I think that that's my

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vibe for them. But like, they're all so
gorgeous, so. So like, I, I get it.
I I understand why people are like attached to their dynamic
even though they were just getting like little, little
little sprinkles. But like, I get it.
Yeah, totally. Yep.
And yes. So meanwhile McCall is actively
bleeding out. They can't call the sheriff

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because that would just get morepeople hurt and they're trying
to be like how what do we do about the Oni?
What works like what weapons work on them?
Which leads to a a very useful cut back to the warehouse with
Kitashi and the Arjuns and Kitashi being like nothing works
on them. Like well, thank you for
answering the question in the other scene.

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The Oni, you're a force of nature.
You don't fight a tsunami, you endure it.
Yep, and luckily OK, Amazing. Yeah, luckily Isaac has already
endured it. That's what the mark behind
their ears are, is the kanji forself.
And it's a little mark that the Oni put on people to be like you
are still you, because the Oni are looking for people who are

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no longer themselves. Someone who is possessed, they
call it void or the nogitsu and that's.
That's what they were looking for. 18 years ago with the No.
24 years ago with the the boss guy.
He was a Nougatine. Someone who possesses a host

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draws power from pain, tragedy, strife and chaos, and the only
seek out that it gets an aid to destroy it.
And we go back. We can take a nice cut back to
Kira, who's like that. Ain't you, babe?
That ain't you, babe. That's not you.
That's not. You.
That's not you, girl. And Kira's like.
But how do you know? And Scott is just like, I just

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know, I just know you're full ofyou're full of goodness.
Derek Hale isn't sexually attracted to you.
That means the default you're full of goodness and have no
evil in you at all. It's not the worst barometer.
It's really none. It it's a pretty good track
record to be perfectly honest. Like, does Derek always date
awful murderers? No, of course not.
We'll get to his love interest next season.

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She's pretty great, but like, come on, man.
Up until now. So far So far, his track
record's 3 for three. No.
OK, 3 for four because Paige. Well, she may have been evil,
but she didn't live long enough to find out.
You're right, we don't know enough about her.
Yeah, 3 for 4/3 for 4. Yeah, she could have turned.
We don't know. Lol so the only are just all in

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and Scott is being just so soft with Kira and he believes in
her. And so he takes her by the hand
and they walk into the only because they've gotten this
really excellently phone, this timed phone call from Allison,
who finally transmits all the information from the Katashi
conversation to the McCall household that they it's a.

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Good thing that. Called the ash that they are
just looking for someone who is not themselves and that you
know, you guys are fine. Just let them check you and and
you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine.
Which I what I really liked about this little moment is that
Kira has to trust Scott, who shebarely knows, but Scott also has

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to trust Allison, who has has. Been troubling at times.
Who has hurt people who tried tohurt him?
Who, like, has lied to him before?
Whose family can't be trusted? Like, yeah.
So I, it's a, it's an interesting dynamic indeed.
But I mean, he does love her andhe's never not going to love

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her, correct? So he does trust Allison and
that they walk. They walk to the Oni.
They walk into the fire and the Oni immediately because they're
the only ones in the room. They haven't tracked because
it's Melissa the only. Supernatural creatures.
Yeah, 'cause Melissa isn't gonnaget like she's not attached and
neither is is Detective Douchebag.

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But Ethan, Aiden, Derek, that's all that's in the house.
Yeah, so they've, they've all been tracked and they're all
good. So it's just these two.
And so the only put their hands up to cradle their faces and
there's a lot of like clicking noises and Firefly light and,
you know, big open eyes. And both Scott and Kira passed
the possession check and fall tothe ground.

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Yep, they're probably cold because that's what happened to
the other ones, but we don't seeanything that happens.
Yeah, not to like, put my shipping goggles on, but Ethan
and Aiden go to Scott and Derek goes to Kira.
Derek does run to Kira first. I did make that note for as
well, yeah. So, but I do love in these in
these scenes, Derek has like hasgone through a transformation

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'cause he was like a beta turnedOmega who didn't know who to
trust and didn't know what to dowith anything to a really shitty
alpha. I love Derek, I love alpha
Derek, but like, oh boy, to alpha who gave it up for power,
who gave up the power like for family and for love.
And now he's like Scott. Derek is Scott second at this

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point, Derek has fallen in place.
He knows we're, he is he he trusts Scott to make the right
decisions. So through this whole scene,
Derek isn't acting. Scotts will.
Yeah. Derek is standing up to the
twins. Like, I know that you'd kill for
him. Would you die for him?
Because I fucking would. He would, and he knows the twins
wouldn't. They wouldn't, and they.
Wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it and like so

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he is enacting Scott's will. He's like he knows Scott well
enough at this point, like the twins like try to go when Scott
and Kiera are dealing with the with the only like the twins try
to go and Derek's like, no, thisis what he wants.
We will protect him as soon as we can, but this is his
decision. Like stop it.
Derek is officially he's found his place that that man just

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wants to be Scott's number 2 andit's fine.
He just wants it. He just, he just wants to be
like loved. He just wants to.
Be loved and have a family and he's he's finally found one.
Like don't get me wrong in do I love a good hail pack fick where
Derek is the alpha? Of course.
Do I love a a McCall pack? A McCall hail pack?

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Of course. Do I love feuding McCall and
hail packs? Of course I do.
But I also love where Derek is ais a happy, beloved member of
the McCall pack. But it wants to be useful.
It does. So we have, before we wrap up
the episode, we have one like wehave to go back to Katashi
because he starts talking about the yakuza and the way that

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honor is, is integral to being amember of that group.
And so he talks about his about his silver finger, he talks
about his prosthetic. And like that he it is an act
that somebody does to themselvesto cut the pinky finger off at
the knuckle because it weakens your grip on the Cortana to show

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like an act of reverence. And how by shooting the only
that night when Chris like what 2024 years ago that he helped
Katashi save face because Katashi was getting ready to run
away. And by do we by trying to
protect him, he saved face. So Katashi says, I owe you more

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than my life. I owe you my honor.
And his final piece of advice isthat if there if the only are
hunting and it gets an A that it's in everybody's best
interest that it gets found. Let the only destroy it, even if
it is your own daughter. Oops.
Now, how Katashi came to this conclusion, I don't really know.

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Allison's probably just got bad vibes.
Probably it must be all the murder probably, but also why
haven't the only like checked her yet and like is it cuz she's
human like I don't I don't know,but I've I've questions but he.
Yeah, I mean they wouldn't bother cuz she's.
Yeah they wouldn't bother cuz she's human but like no we'll
ask questions later and my note here says in cold hard facts.

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Don't worry, they will. Yeah, whoopsie doodles.
Whoopsies. We'll get give him, give him a
second give. Him a second, Give him a second
so. Just just as a, like a, an all
media question, do you ever get like a little bit of ick when I
don't know who the writer is forthis episode, but you know, Jeff

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Davis is a white creator. When they incorporate other
cultures worlds into a story like this, 'cause I this stuff
about like honor with cutting off your pinky and the yakuza
and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, I mean, maybe
this like how, how much about Japanese society and culture?

(01:05:39):
Like do you know? And is this just cause like you
read a Wikipedia page or like did you do actual research?
Sometimes it icks me and sometimes it doesn't because
like this one didn't really, butit does a little bit.
They do a lot of stuff with the Yakuza and Archer and like, is
that taken like thoughtfully andseriously?

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No, but it doesn't ick me. But it's because of context.
And so sometimes it icks me and sometimes it doesn't.
I think a lot of times for me it's about what what is it
trying to say? Is it trying to be like a token
of something or is it it, you know, like Kira is Japanese like
her character is. I think her actor is Korean, I

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think, but at least her character is Japanese.
Well, she's half Japanese, half Korean because no, she goes
Japanese. But I think Ken is supposed to
be Korean. I think.
I don't know. But in any case, like, that's
part of Kira's, like, history and culture.
So like, when Nochko comes to talk about the history of
Japanese internment camps and she's going to start talking
about, you know, Japanese culture and history, like, OK,

(01:06:45):
all right. But if it's, you know, styles
coming in to be like, well, you know, there's this and then
there's this, and then there's this.
And this is the way the Japanesepeople feel about this.
Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't get to say no, that's not for you.
Yeah. I mean and.
There's also like so Beacon Hills is set like in Northern
California, There's like a history of Japanese internment

(01:07:08):
camps in Northern California. You know, there's like cultural
history here, but when we're talking about like the only and
the Yakuza and like these are all culture, I don't know,
Sometimes you're, you just get like a little moment of OK, are
we doing this 'cause it's interesting or cause like we
have a respect for another culture and we're trying to make

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the show inclusive or just 'cause you think it's cool,
'cause the Acusa are cool. And that's the other part is
that like if you're gonna talk, there's there's different parts
for me between culture and things that are not yours.
Yeah. So it's like I can talk a little

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about New Mexican culture and the part of Mexican culture
inheritage that I've seen in theplace growing up, but I don't
get to talk about quinceaneras. They're not mine.
They're not for me. I can tell you about what I've
seen and talk about how cool they are, but I don't get to be
like the on screen authority about this thing.

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And so especially when we start talking about, you know, so like
for for us in the States, we start talking about the Italian
Mafia because like we feel familiar with that one, right.
But like, I don't know anything about the Japanese Mafia.
That's not for me. That's not.
For me like. No, so I don't know.
I don't know, I don't know. Sometimes I feel weird about it

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and sometimes I don't. This one didn't super ick me,
but I'm sure others will later. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. Just sometimes you just get a
moment of like. Yeah, for sure.
But yes, Dave, OK, back to the show.
Well we've only got 1 scene leftbecause everything has kind of
calmed down so. Has it?

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Well, sort of. So, you know, Chris and Allison
and Isaac have all dealt with their gun plot line, and that's
sitting down over there, Scott and well, I guess Scott going
with his mom to deal with, you know, Agent Mcasshole.
But Kira and Derek and the twinsare like, over there, and

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they're all settled down. But we've still got one more
plot point. And that, yes, is Styles.
Because we have to go to the most cursed place in existence,
the Beacon Hills Memorial Hospital.
I don't want to go to this hospital, man.
I never want to go there. So Styles wakes up to an empty
hospital and is going to go findMelissa like, hey, where's my

(01:09:39):
mom? Where'd she go?
And so we flashed to they finally called an ambulance for
agent agent, my asshole. And Melissa and Scott are like
with him and trying to talk, talk to each other and talk to
the medics. And Scott is like, Hey, I'm just
gonna go find styles. Super, super regular, super,
super interesting, super, super basic, right.

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And so styles just like wander in the hospital and goes to like
a some sort of part of the hospital with bad lighting.
I don't, I don't really know. It's a little darker.
I I think. In an OR room, yeah.
It's just to change the light bulb.
Well, I think it's it's now so that he's in his like grey green
era. Yeah, he's in his grey green
era. Because it turns out that the

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only have finally come for Styles and we're expecting this
like it's night time. They've gone to the rest of the
pack like it's cool. Totally just a routine track.
Absolutely nothing interesting going on here.
All good, why would they even behere for styles?
Styles is fine. Like he's totally human.
He doesn't. He doesn't even need it, guys.

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He doesn't even need it. Doesn't need this except they
try to grab him and Styles grabsthe smoke hand.
And then proceeds to take his little hand and just shove it
directly into the only and pull out its little Firefly heart.
Oh boy. Rut row.
And then he like, turns around with this crazy dark look on his

(01:11:02):
face. And he absorbs the only they fly
straight through him. Oh, and then Scotty finally and
and trying to find him, like actually finds him.
And he's like hanging out in a dark room and he's super totally
normal. He's like, like Styles.
He's like, oh, hey, hey, buddy, hey, best friend.
Everything's fine. And then they just walk out
together with a dead Firefly like dying on the floor.

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Uh oh. This switch on Styles face from
when he's standing alone to whenhe turns around to see Scott is
wild. Oh my God, he will continue to
see throughout the rest of the season just what a good actor
Dylan O'Brien is like. I know nothing against Tyler
Posey, nothing against Posey. He has to carry an entire show

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and that's really, really hard. But like, there is a reason that
Dylan O'Brien broke out and it'sin this season.
Like it's the reason we're able to talk about the differences
between styles and void and who's doing what because you can
see it on his face. It is incredible, it is
remarkable, and we now have reason to suspect that that

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maybe the owner, maybe they're, maybe they're looking for
styles. Yeah, you think?
Because he, he, he didn't take the possession track.
He he didn't take, he didn't fail it, but he he didn't, he
didn't take it pass. He didn't want that.
He didn't pass, so whoopsie doodles.
And and he's been the only one to like, hurt an Oni.

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Yeah, he he, he can touch them. He can hurt them.
With his bare hands. He could just RIP their little
heart out. Oops.
So oh oh. Oh, oh, oh.
So things are not going well forStyles who who had a little nap
and and woke up maybe more trouble than when he went to
sleep. Perhaps.
And has maybe been troubled. Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, rough, rough times ahead forone style, Stilinski.
Next week on Teen Wolf. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Next next episode is riddled. Yeah, so just it's not gonna get
better from here, guys. I mean, like, the acting is
gonna get better and the storyline's gonna get more
interesting. But like, the emotional damage.
Emotional damage. Yeah, nothing gets better for

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styles. No, nothing gets better for
Styles. It gets not better for Allison.
It gets not better. It gets worse for Scott and
everyone else. Yeah, nobody.
Nobody makes it out of the season happy.
Maybe they shouldn't have died. Yeah, did warn them.
He it's true, Deaton did warn them.

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But this is where I start getting angry.
This is the part of the season where I start getting angry.
Like what? So Allison was shaky with her
arrows for like an episode. I know, right?
Spot like thought he was in control of the beast but got it
back and now styles and. And.
Is this really is? Is this it?

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This is This is how it happened.Yeah.
Seems a little, he's a little off kilter there.
But to bring it all the way home, Kate, Jennifer Styles, I'm
just saying. Derek's track record.
Is Derek's track record is not very good.
It's not very good. It's not very.
Good. I think, you know, if, if you're

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out in the world and Derek Hale,you know, peeps at you, you
should maybe get checked. Yeah, perhaps go to the
therapist and be like, hi, am I secretly evil?
Yeah. Have I perhaps?
Do I perhaps want to homicide people?
I hope not. Yeah, just get that checked out
a little bit. It might be a sign that
something's not right with you. Perhaps indeed.
Yeah, you're writing this poor character like and he'll also

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have the worst taste in crazy people.
RIP. Poor Derek.
Poor Derek. It's OK, he gets a little better
next season. Yeah, he just, you know, has to
go through it for six years. He does and then, you know, he
also has to pay a price for it at the end.
But we. Don't talk about that.
No, it's fine. He gets sent to super hell.
Or was it super heaven? I'm not sure.

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That doesn't happen. It does not.
Not. Not in reality.
In Canon, perhaps, but not in reality.
Not in reality, everything is fine.
Everything is fine, the Internetsays so.
Yeah, yes, we are the arbiters of the truth.
Derek Hale is fine. AO3 said so.
AO3 said so the father son. Holy AO3, poor thing.

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OK, so where we are at with six episodes, 17 plus?
Do some more math here. Oh no, not more math. 8
episodes. I don't know. 7-7 episodes.
There we go. Well, 'cause the next one's 18
or. 7 left. We've got a new pack member in
Kira, we've got a severely injured detective douchebag who

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may or may not have seen something that he may or may not
remember, with the only might raise some questions for him
down the line. Derek is now second in command,
seems to be pretty chill with it, and everyone's favorite
human is maybe not currently that human.
So and and Lydia is somewhere. She was very absent from this

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episode. I'm sad about that.
I miss. Her and uncle Zombie is like
gone. Yeah, I don't know where he
went. Well, I think he saw the only
coming and he was like, bye, they're gonna find something to
me and they're not gonna like it.
Retro. Yeah.
So everything is is really picking up for 3B.
Yeah, it's picking up. So next episode will be the kind

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of halfway point of the season, and we are.
We're getting there. I'm so excited.
I am too. These are fun seasons.
I like, it's a really, it's a really fun season and I just
love watching Dylan O'Brien act like this.
It's he's so good. Too.
He's so good. Yeah, he really is.
Good for him. All right, well, you can find us
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