(S3E20) Pack Dynamics: A Teen Wolf Podcast - Echo House

⚠️ Big content warning: this episode deals with suicide, abusive institutional mental health care, dubious sexual consent, and violence. Please take care of yourself.

Stiles checks himself into Eichen House after seeing an MRI that matches his mom’s… and absolutely no one (including us) thinks this is a good idea.

While he’s trying to survive the world’s worst psych ward — complete with Oliver, Morrell, Brunski, a broken pay phone, a hidden corpse, and one very determined Nogitsune — the rest of the pack is out hunting the missing Shugendō scroll.

Scott, Kira, Allison and Isaac end up in a full-on armored-car brawl with Kincaid, Chris and Derek are still locked up together (#EnemiesToLovers energy thriving), and Deaton is once again allergic to offering clear answers.

Inside Eichen House, Stiles and Malia break into the basement, uncover secrets behind the walls, and run straight into Oliver’s trepanation meltdown while a demon whispers riddles over Stiles’ shoulder.

This episode is chaotic, heavy, and unsettling from every angle — and our boy Stiles is at the center of all of it.

xoxo,

Fandom on the Rocks

Episode Transcript

(00:13):
You're listening to PAC Dynamics, a Fandom on the Rocks
podcast. Hello.
Welcome to PAC Dynamics, A tweenwolf podcast.
I'm Emily. I'm Allison.
And things have gotten. Weird things are getting
incrementally weirder. Welcome to what I can only
assume is a very special episode.
Yeah, it is. It's a lot.

(00:34):
It's a frenetic, chaotic episode.
For sure. I don't know that I love the
editing I. This is season 3 episode 20 Echo
House. Yes, I really didn't like this
episode. Didn't I mean, I don't, I don't.
I don't care for it. I don't, I, I want to because

(00:55):
like it's not a haunted house episode, but like it could have
been. But it could have been because
the. Setting is really cool or like
the setting could have been really cool with Eichenhaus but
it wasn't OK. So the rundown is Scott and his
friends seek an important Japanese artifact, while a

(01:16):
mental health institution calledEichenhaus offers both answers
and a difficult choice for styles.
Episode aired February 23rd, 2014.
Yeah, so we are back at ye old Eichenhaus AKA Echo House.
Hi, Eichenhaus, we'll be seeing you for the next several
seasons. We'll be back, baby.

(01:36):
So this episode opens with Styles and the sheriff driving
together with very sad piano music.
Hold on. No no.
This episode opens with a viewer.
Discretion is advised. Logo.
Oh, it does that you. It opens up with a like due to
the sensitive nature of this episode and I'm immediately like

(01:57):
oh God, which episode is this? Yeah, we do get a trigger
warning at the beginning of thisepisode, and it's just.
Valid. Super valid.
It is, yeah. There's there's moments, but it
does always trigger warnings andTV shows you're like, So what am
I waiting for here? And I guess it's, I guess
they're fine. General warnings on episodes.
I think this is just. It's one of those that the

(02:19):
trigger warn that the content warning isn't necessarily for
like any specific action that occurs, But it's like, hey, if
you've ever been on what has been politely called a grippy
sock vacation, then this episodemight really bring back some
stuff for you. If you've ever, like,
experienced anything that might be considered a psychotic break,

(02:40):
this episode might not feel great for you.
Yeah, that's fair. And so that I can understand,
but I don't know, for me it always makes me really confused,
grumpy, weirded out when they give content warnings but don't
warn about the content. Oh, sure.
Just says like, hey, something'sgoing to happen.
We're not going to tell you what.
Something weird's going to happen and you're going to feel

(03:01):
feelings about it, but I'm not going to tell you what.
Like, no, just like a little. Is it like sexual assault?
Is it violence? Is it, you know, what other kind
of traumatic thing are we going to talk about so I can prepare
myself? Which is the purpose of a
content warning. Yes.
And like, we grew up with the TVparental guidelines ahead of TV

(03:23):
shows that were like, this is rated G.
This is rated. Yeah.
Well, it, it started out with like, Y for all you know, this
is for everybody, TV-14, TVMA. And then then it would add like
the DLVS or whatever that was, you know, violent sexual

(03:43):
situations, coarse language. Like, that's fine.
That was the funniest thing, thefirst time I saw a show that
warned that there was smoking ina show.
Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I bet
there is. I bet there is.
This is from 1994. I bet there's smoking in the
show. Which, you know, for all of the
violent content on American television to warn that somebody

(04:07):
is smoking is so hypocritical and like, yes, smoking will kill
you and so evading, so knock it the fuck off.
So will vaping, so will pouches,so will to back like it will is
it what? Is it?
What is that shit? The dip, the new?
Like what? Oh, in Norway, we use a lot of
it. It's called snus.

(04:27):
It's like a little pack. It's like a little pouch of dip
that you put. It's it's just like dip, except
it's not messy and you don't have to spit it out.
But like people who use it have to switch it out like every 20
or 30 minutes. Yeah, the the Zen Zen, the
nicotine pouches, like, yeah, fucking stop it.
It will. It will kill you very slowly,
like you've never seen. That that PSA with a guy whose

(04:50):
jaw is missing. To basket.
The you friend anyway back. To other You can tell how much
we like this episode because of how much we're talking about it.
So yeah, OK, so the Sheriff and Styles have gone to Eichenhaus
because that Stiles is going to check himself in on a 72 hour
hold. Do you ever forget that Stiles
is a kid? Yes.

(05:10):
I, I, I found myself in this episode being like, Oh yeah, he
is a child. He is a 16 year old child.
Oh yeah. He's either 16 or 17.
But he is a child. He's a high school child.
Yeah, yeah, I I do sometimes forget that these are kids.
Yeah, literal children. And everyone is injured.
Styles is injured, the sheriff is injured.
Everyone's injured. I am injured.

(05:33):
Yeah, Scott shows up to be like,why didn't you tell me you were
doing this? Like because you would stop him?
I have a bit of a problem here like.
Why is Scott here? Why is Scott here?
And he immediately, like, I, I get it, you were 1617,
everything is seen in a certain way.
You're trying to take responsibility and I get that.

(05:55):
And then he immediately makes itabout himself.
Yes. And like, so, Scott yells out
loud. Like, well, why didn't you tell
me? And the sheriff goes to avoid
something like this. Yeah, to stop you from doing
exactly this. To stop you from doing exactly
what you're doing. And I'm like, I want to give
Scott all the credit in the universe here.
Like, he is worried about styles.

(06:16):
He thinks that he can handle it because it's a supernatural
problem with a supernatural solution.
And like, I get it. And also not your circus, not
your monkeys. Yeah, this is my kid.
We're all scared. Like.
Please step back. Please step back and I just it
really it really like colored myview of Scott this whole

(06:39):
episode, which was really. This is also a meeting that
could have been a text. Oh yeah.
Like Bretti, you could have justcalled Styles to be like, I'm
worried about you. You didn't need to do all this.
Dark. It's either late at night or
early in the morning. Like it's dark.
Did you like sniff him out? Like what's going?
On yeah, but followed the car here.

(06:59):
Yeah, I just, I, I really had a rough time with this.
And like, on the one hand I get it, I understand the motivation,
but I didn't enjoy watching it and it really made me start
getting weird about how Scott makes decisions.
Well, they're very Scott first. Yeah, they're very Scott 1st and
that was just a hard, that was ahard jolt this episode, like.

(07:22):
Styles is dealing with some shithere.
Let him. Let him do this.
Because this is Styles, because he's had, in theory, because
he's had the injection of the lichen juice, Yeah.
And the the nicotine is theoretically poisoned and a bit
under control for now. So Styles is hopefully making

(07:46):
decisions for himself for now. For the moment, yeah.
For the moment. So they're getting Styles
checked in and the sheriff is politely panicking.
Well, what he's doing is he's pulling a Lydia Martin.
Yeah, he's he's pulling a baby banshee because all he can hear
are like the the key code accessbeeps and the slamming of cell

(08:08):
doors and he's getting overwhelmed.
He's getting over stimulated. And he's hyper focusing.
Yeah, He's hyper fixating on thefact that they forgot Styles's
pillow and that he's not going to be able to sleep without that
pillow. And Styles is trying to like,
you know, it's OK dad, it's chill, dad, when we all know
that it's very not chill. It's super not chill, and it

(08:29):
turns out sleep is going to be an important issue for Styles
inside, so maybe the sheriff wascorrect in leaving the pillow
behind. Going to be a theme.
We got a theme happening here, but he's, you know, he's not.
I'm not going to check you in ifyou can't get in a good night's
sleep. But Nope, Styles is getting
checked in because there's no take backsies, which I actually
think there are take backsies 'cause he's still the dad.

(08:51):
They're 100% are still take backsies.
But yeah, but Styles is like, no, we're doing this.
He he walks off with the nurse only to see like the the back of
a girl up on one of the floors that like catches his attention.
Some girl in the hallway and just by the way she shot, we're
like, do do we know this girl? But.

(09:12):
Yeah, I wonder if she'll be important later.
I wonder. If she will be important later.
And also important is Stiles sees a guy up the spiral
staircase tying a rope out of a bed sheet to hang himself with.
And like, I couldn't figure out if this was a hallucination or
not. I couldn't either at first.

(09:33):
Because like, we can clearly seehim and it's not looking good,
but nobody else really seems to see him.
The nurse doesn't really seem tonotice and like the people at
the bottom of the stairwell don't really notice till it's
done. Yeah, the nurse really does not
seem to care that Stiles is like, hey, there's something

(09:53):
happening here. Yeah, and unfortunately for all
of us, the the guy at the top ofthe stairwell jumps and then all
of a sudden everyone's able to see him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Then they're like, oh, oh, OK. OK, well, I'm alright.
I mean, he was. Visible before.
So what happened here? What happened?

(10:14):
But as Styles kind of looks around, he sees, you know, the
crowd of people at the bottom ofthe stairwell, including the
Nikete. Clacking his little metal gross
teeth at the bottom. Of the.
Bottom of the staircase? Oh, it's not going to be not
going to be good for styles on the inside.
No, not a good, not a good start.

(10:36):
So that's our cold open, which flows into what I found to be
kind of a confusing conversation.
Oh my God, yes. With Chris Argent in lock up
because he has handcuffs on. On the phone with Deaton, which
includes weird little flashbacksbecause it turns out Chris Arjun

(10:57):
was the one who told Deaton about the White Wolf back in
Japan. But then we're also at the vet
clinic with Scott and Allison. Looking adorable with her little
bun and overalls combination, bythe way.
It actually was super cute and and Deaton looks like he's
talking to Scott and Allison, but also with Chris, Sergeant

(11:17):
and Deaton on the phone and it'snot clear for a hot minute that
Chris is on speakerphone with Deaton and the kids.
It's just we have to have everybody in the same space.
But Chris is in lot. I don't understand.
Something about how this was shot and I was like, who?
How are they? Who's talking to who?
I don't know, but this is episode like 702 of I swear to

(11:40):
God, Alan, can you just tell these children what you know?
Because at this point I'm just starting to get mad at him.
I know. Yeah, I'm starting to get mad at
Deaton, and I don't want to get mad at Deaton.
And no, and like at the end of the episode he's like, I don't
speak Japanese very well. Like bullshit.
Bullshit, bullshit. Bullshit, in the previous

(12:00):
episode or like 3 episodes back or whatever, you were
communicating just fucking fine.With the Japanese guys and the
dog, like, like, come on, man. Let's not fucking fool around
with nobody. Like I just for so we have a
lot, we have a lot of love for magic styles and I certainly
have a lot of love for emissary styles.

(12:22):
I also have a lot of love for emissary Lydia.
Let's talk about that for a minute.
But this like Deaton Morrell, Julia, Jennifer keeping the
balance like it's not about cruelty, it's not about
withholding. It's about knowing everything

(12:43):
and keeping it all. Yeah.
It's like it just drives me bananas, makes me so angry
because he withholds things constantly from these children
and it means them every time. It hurts them every time.
It. To me, it feels like a plot
device. Yeah.
Meant to just, like dole out information to the to the

(13:04):
audience and to the kids when it's needed to move something
along. Yeah.
Or to like, surprise, here's something new.
Like. Well, OK, but but if you knew
that this entire time we could have saved XY and Z, Yeah.
But instead you let that happen and so and so died or.
Was injured or. We wasted half a season when you
could have solved it just by opening your mouth.

(13:27):
Yeah, and like I think one of the things that I would love to
see is like, so I want to again,to keep the balance.
There's two things that I think are both really, really
important that I would like to keep and we get keep it.
And I'm confused. So one, I love that Deaton is a
father figure to Scott. The two of them are a team, for
better or for worse. They're in it together.

(13:47):
And I love this it. Deaton's father business and his
magic business sometimes don't work too well together.
The other half is like, we should be getting more
information from the Hales. Peter is an incredible source of
information. Derek is an incredible source of
information. Later on, you know, as we get

(14:10):
access to like, more new locations and more new people,
like they're an incredible source of information.
So not every mystical magical thing has to come from Deaton.
Sometimes they could come from Peter, which could be cool.
Yeah. And like it can go through
different channels because it just.
This doesn't work for me. And that's like the purpose of

(14:32):
having a large cast is why? Why have them if you're not
going to dole out the the lines?Really remember in season 1 when
Styles would figure things out and like Derek would figure
things out and Deaton would figure things out and they were
all trying and they were all kind of working together towards
the same goal. Like, and in season 2 and

(14:54):
everyone was kind of figuring out bits and pieces.
Derek knew what was happening, but you know, Styles knew what
was going on over here and Scottwho was going on over here.
And then they were able to kind of all bring it together as
opposed to just having this like1 funnel of information that has
a really solid wall like. I mean, no one told Derek he
needed to go get his mom's clawsto access memories.
No, he knew he he knew he neededto do that.

(15:17):
Probably from family lore. From from, from legend, from
lore. Talia from stories like Deaton
should not be the expert on wolves.
No, they're generational wolves.Like and let's talk about the
Argents. So much of this information
comes from Chris, and it should.Yeah, like well and and miss

(15:38):
ma'am later. Miss Ma'am needs to deliver more
information is what she needs. I get that scene at her in like
1/2 hour. That scene was so frustrating
and we'll get to it, especially because like, give her a fucking
name so I don't have to just I have nothing.
So I'm so mad. I'm so mad.
But yes, so they discover in this mystical, magical phone
call from Deaton and Chris and Allison and Scott, that what

(16:02):
we're looking for is a scroll, some sort of Japanese scroll
that has information on how to kill a nigetzine.
Well, how to exercise it? Ah, yes, and exercise the demon,
exorcise the demon, but nobody knows really what it looks like
or what size it is or where it could be or anything.

(16:23):
We don't know anything. And so Allison's like, well, do
you know what it looks like? And so Deaton just pulls a turns
around, pulls out one of his like fancy filing cabinet
drawers and just hands Allison this like very heavy, fancy
looking scroll. Of of what?
Just a scroll of something. Scroll, Yeah.
He definitely that's that's whatthey used in water bending.

(16:45):
That's Katara's water bending scroll.
I guess I I. I was I was thinking that like
maybe it was a lunch menu. Maybe I don't know but he just
like manifests this drawer out of like this roll this scroll
out of a filing cabinet makes meso angry.
The Shugendo. Yeah.
And, and then Allison, because she has been relegated sometimes

(17:07):
to just having the oh, I've madea connection.
She thinks she has an idea of where it is because the last
person who purchased the scroll is Kincaid.
Who is her? Yeah, our our werewolf gentleman
from however many episodes back,who we actually kind of liked.
Yeah. Who we thought was great and was

(17:28):
a fast master to Isaac and was fantastic, yes.
So we'll be we'll be seeing him later.
Hello. So we have to go back to
Eichenhaus. Because Stiles is already having
a terrible day. He is now just.
I love a haunted house story. I don't.
I do. I'm a scary movie person.

(17:48):
I don't find them scary, but I just find them interesting.
I'm probably dead inside. I don't know.
Not a lot actually scares me. But insane asylums are
fascinating. They feel lore and they feel
American and probably European media just going back 100 years.
Like we love insane asylums. Probably because they are such a

(18:11):
terrible piece of our history, including European history too,
and Oh yeah, everyone else's. But we've done terrible things
to a lot of people in asylums like these.
So they are haunted houses for American history, just
naturally. For sure.
So it's, I think this could havebeen like a very interesting set

(18:36):
piece that it doesn't really getused as one.
Like it's not lit interestingly,it's not shot that
interestingly. You know, we see it from the
outside a couple times and it's kind of a big, beautiful old
Victorian building that should lend itself to be naturally
creepy. And then you get inside and

(18:56):
you're like, OK, we got some hallways and a spiral staircase,
and we don't spend any time being creeped out by it.
Not really. And I was just kind of
disappointed by that just because it's such AI mean we we
throw out stuff in this episode about trepidation and five point
restraints and the quiet room and all these kind of things

(19:18):
that occur and had occurred in insane asylums to people, which
really did happen. And we don't really, I mean, of
course it's Teen Wolf, but we don't really dig into how awful
these buildings are. And like for some people, how
that can be a ghost story and like the memory of these things
that live inside these insane asylums for sure, and why

(19:41):
they're always the building in ahaunted story.
Yeah, and like for people like me who really don't like scary
things, and I don't really have all that much of an interest in
going into stories in which the insane asylum is kind of the
protagonist, I needed a little lesson on five point restraints
and trepidation. Like I those things aren't

(20:02):
necessarily things that I could just pull off the top of my
head. I still don't know what
trepidation is other than I assume they're drilling through
the skull 'cause he brought out a a drill at one point.
Yes, so. Like I but these things are like
assumed. I don't even know if Styles
knows what's going on. They you're right, they were
kind of assumed. Yes, trepidation is drilling a

(20:22):
hole into the skull. Don't do that.
Humans have actually been doing this as like a a neurosurgical
intervention for just thousands of years.
Has it ever worked? Well, define work I.
Suppose that's fair. Define So yeah, define, define
work. Like we, we've been doing this

(20:43):
to each other just since we had the ability to, to put a hole in
a skull. There's we have skulls, right,
with holes in it. So we have physical evidence of,
of doing this. It's currently used to relieve
pressure against the brain, right?
So we do this in the in the hospital.

(21:05):
Not out in. Yeah, in the emergency measure
or neurosurgical medicine to relieve pressure if there's like
fluid buildup or air buildup. But in the olden days it.
Was used three times. Yeah, really to to get the evil
spirits out. Yeah, well, some people suggest
we'll come back to this. Yeah, I mean, some suggest that

(21:28):
like they are that ye oldin people knew that you could
relieve pressure on the brain and that would help.
But I I think that might be a reach about our understanding of
the human body because like, it took a long time to even know
that blood was in veins and arteries and not just Willy
nilly. Floating around.
So yeah, well, anyway. Speaking of just being a House

(21:50):
of nightmares, Styles receives Emily's greatest nightmare, a
new roommate. He does.
He gets a new roommate, Oliver. Who is the funniest person in
the room? Thank you, Oliver.
He is, yeah. Oliver is already strapped to a
bed and he's just like, yeah, man.
There's a high rates of suicideson Monday.
It's just full of fun new roommate information.

(22:13):
Shrugy emojis. Just like, yeah, bro, yeah.
He's actually starts out pretty funny.
I got to say I like Oliver in the beginning.
Oliver. He starts out pretty good.
Yeah, and he's like I, I knew ithappened because I heard the
echo. That's.
Why they call it echo house? Which is one of those things
about the House that like, give me more of that.
Yeah, give me more of that. What do you?

(22:33):
Mean you can hear everything that's going on in this place.
Like what? What?
Tell tell me more. Yeah, well, because Oliver is
just politely silly, we don't really take what if he says like
that seriously because he proceeds to tell us that he
swallowed a bug the other day. Yes, he did.
And he's, he's been coughing. And in all caps I wrote Oliver,

(22:57):
my love. What kind of bug did you
swallow? Yes.
What happened to you? Because I've I know where this
is going and it's not. Good.
It's not great and it's not great.
But it's nice to know that we have somebody on our team in
Icon House. Hello.
Welcome, Oliver. Welcome to the team, Oliver.
So sorry about. Everything.

(23:18):
So sorry. So he does give Styles the the
tour of of icon house where everyone thinks they're Jesus.
Jesus, Jesus. Jesus.
Mary Magdalene. Nah Jesus.
Jesus. And then Stiles is like,
actually, you know what? I, I think I need to leave.
I don't actually think this place is safe for me anymore.

(23:38):
And he overhears this girl on a pay phone talking about like, I
don't, I don't think they shouldknow or I, I think they should
know the whole story. And one of them is standing
right behind me. And I forgot to look it up, but
I used to know where else that that actress is from.
And I feel like it's Glee. My brain, my, my gut said Glee.

(24:02):
And I forgot to look it up before we started recording.
But I don't remember anymore. There's something about her.
Let's find out her. Name.
Is Maya Ashay known for Fear TheWalking Dead and Teen Wolf?
OK, yeah, I'll take it. Because there was something
about her. I was like, I have seen you
before and I have not seen Fear of The Walking Dead.

(24:24):
Well, you've probably seen her later on in Teen Wolf because as
Oliver is quick to tell us, thisis Meredith.
Hi, Meredith. We'll get to know her better a
little later and. She's a lot weird.
Yeah, no, you're a little weird.She's a lot weird.
Yeah, poor thing. And apparently all the phones
are turned off for 24 hours after suicide, which also seems

(24:46):
weird. I mean like, that just seems
like policy. Yeah, but we also run into our
brown haired friend Malia. Hi, Malia.
Who immediately punches Styles in the face?
That's not wrong. She's not not wrong.
He kind of deserves that. Not.
Wrong. Yeah.
Yeah. Does that nurses take her away
and then knock styles to the ground?

(25:07):
Yeah, real question though, yes.Why is Malia an iconhouse other
than a plot device? I couldn't begin to tell you I
other than like she needed to bethere.
Like I used to think like, oh, well, maybe you know, it's
because she's completely convinced that she's a coyote
and that she needs to, but she is a coyote.
She. Actually is.

(25:27):
And her father is just like not having a great time with it.
She's fine. She's really struggling about
being a human person when so going here is not really going
to help. So like why is this girl in in
in a mental institution? Like why is she in the hospital?
Like she also. She also seems sane enough and
like, cogent enough to convince a doctor that she's not a

(25:51):
coyote. Like, she seems like she could
go through therapy being like, Iam a human being and I'm
perfectly fine, you know? I like, I just don't understand
other than for plot reasons. Like I don't understand why
she's here. I think it is purely plot and
that's frustrating. Yeah, it's so frustrating
because she has no reason to be here.
Especially if she has been missing for eight years.

(26:13):
Is that what it was? Why on earth would they put her
away like this? Wouldn't wouldn't want to
reunite her with her last bit offamily and and do it that way.
And work, social work and do therapy.
This. This is not no.
Yeah, no, no, just especially cause at the end she just walks
the fuck out. She.
Just walks, all right, well. This is why we don't love this
episode. So Styles has been knocked to

(26:34):
the ground and he lands on this weird glass plate.
Let me tell you how odd this is.It OK, we're just gonna have
glass in a an insane asylum. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
You take away their shoelaces and belts, but you have just
like a glass floor. Yeah, it's a great with these
round holes and styles, his brain goes.

(26:55):
I've been here before. Hold on a minute, hold on a
second. He flashes to being in that
basement place from riddled and it's when he.
Was when Lydia was like he's at I can house.
She was correct. She was right.
She was right. Lydia Martin is always right.
Just. It's when he was inside looking

(27:17):
up through the great and then also why the fuck you here is
Missus Morrell. What?
Why? Why?
You're a student. You're a high school counselor.
What are you doing here? You're a high school counselor
and you're a guidance counselor and you are an emissary for a
pack that I think is dead now and.
A French teacher. And a French teacher.

(27:38):
Why are you at? Did Deaton call you?
I don't. How would he know what he plot?
It's plot reasons. It's plot armor.
This doesn't make sense. I don't know why she's here.
I don't even think she has a badge on to be like I'm allowed
to be here. Like, the only reason she's here
is that we need somebody in the know to like talk to Styles.
But even even still, I just, I have no idea, you know, what I

(28:02):
would have preferred? What I deeply would have
preferred. Just.
For just for funsies. I'm trying to think of someone,
but who? I would have loved it for it to
be a bad for it to have been Deukalian that.
Would have been funny. But like, you know.
His side job? His side job, like Deukalian is
smart as hell. He's incredible.

(28:22):
Don't tell me that man doesn't have degrees.
Like, don't tell me that he would be able to come in and
talk to students about like about trauma and all of this.
And he would. Still be in the know enough
because he was Busty's with Talia and he knew New Deaton and
he knew Gerard. He's Reddit.
I would have loved for this to have been Dukalian.

(28:43):
Because Miss Morrell has absolutely no reason to be
there. Dukalian also has no reason to
be there. But at least with Dukalian, it
would have been funny. That would have been really
funny. Actually, like, come on, man.
Yeah, OK. I'm, I'm.
I'm fine with that. It's all right.
It's a the episode's about to get at least a little bit
better. Yeah, Chris and Derek are in
lock up. I think he would.
I think he's jail because I think they're just in the

(29:06):
Sheriff's Department holding. Cells, yeah, they're in the
they're they're in the department holding cells cause
because. They're sitting back-to-back
like they're about to, like, spill their secrets.
Don't tell me that they didn't, that Derek didn't spill a little
secret there. 'Cause they're they're in.
Don't tell me he didn't 'cause he definitely did.
They're in different cells, but they are sitting back-to-back

(29:27):
together. And Derek is using his
supersonic hearing to eavesdrop on the the deputies to find out
what happened to all of Hitachi's shit.
Because that is the evidence that is being used to hold them
for murder. But that shit is getting picked
up and transported to federal lock up.

(29:47):
And I had to like, stop and think about what they were
talking about to figure out, like, what is the scene about?
Because it it was like a quick info dump and I had to remember
like, why are they in jail otherthan looking pretty?
Because there's like pissing to hold them here and I don't
really care about. Void.
Void framed. Yeah.

(30:08):
Chris, I think, but somehow alsoinvolved Derek, used the murder
of Katashi to get them gone. Yes, just to get them out of the
picture. Yeah, 'cause they were supposed
to get exploded with the Sheriff's Office, but they did
not get exploded because Derek loves Chris.
Yes, exactly. Yeah, it took me a second,
'cause, you know, we watch theseweek by week, which the audience

(30:30):
would have been doing. Yeah.
And I was just thinking, like, would everyone remember what
happened, 'cause it took me a hot 2nd to be like, right.
Void did XY and Z because OK, just keep them out of the
picture and Katashi's evidence and I don't really give a fuck
but they're hot. Yeah, pretty much 'cause the
only piece of Katashi we ever talk about as evidence is his
prosthetic. It's his finger.

(30:51):
Yep, like. There was there was money in
Chris's. The 150,000.
Yeah, there was money in Chris'shouse.
They could hold him on for 24 hours at best.
Or is it a 48 hour hold? I think I don't remember 24 or
48 hours. It's not that much time.
No, before they're just gonna belet go because they don't have

(31:13):
other evidence. They don't have other evidence
because they didn't do it like. Because they didn't do it.
But Derek, Derek does bring up agood point, basically that like,
you know, I know that we didn't do stuff, but if all of this is
true, all the things that we're thinking and talking about, then
like a lot of people are dead because of styles.

(31:33):
Yeah. Not wrong.
He's he's really not wrong and. And it's he's not wrong.
He's not wrong. And, you know, they're like, we
kind of got lucky with Jackson being the Canama because, like,
we fixed it and like, what if, what if we're not lucky with
Styles? And because Chris Argent is a
dad, he goes off on the story about the berserkers of, well,

(31:57):
he says Europe. But really, aren't they like
Norse mythology who like, put onbearskins to get their their GRR
on before they go into battle? Yeah, and in his legend, they
really become bears or if the animals they're trying to to
channel and just absolutely lostall of their sense of people,

(32:19):
hood and humanity because they didn't have the moon like
werewolves to kind of ground them.
And then I don't remember the time frame, but he's like, he,
he knew a family whose kid had gotten in, they'd gotten into
berserkers and totally lost his humanity.

(32:40):
And Chris had to put him down and he didn't feel any remorse
about it. And Derek is like, would you
feel any remorse putting Styles down?
With his little wavering voice at his little nose twitches and
I am wounded. Wounded.
Would you kill my husband? Christopher, my husband, because

(33:03):
I'm in love with him at least a little bit, and the thought of
you hurting him makes me feel very confused and grumpy.
Yeah, and Chris is like Styles, yes, he would feel remorse, but
not. And it gets an A.
And I hate that the camera, likethe end of the scene, doesn't
show us Derek's reaction to that.
It needs to it like it should. It absolutely should have.

(33:24):
Give me the rest of the. Yeah, the rest of that commute,
that conversation like. You the rest of that is one more
pan over to Derek's like thoughtprocess 'cause he asked the
question now give me. His give me his response.
Response and it's. Like because that is a
complicated answer to a complicated question.
'Cause they're all thinking it too.

(33:44):
Like even Scott. Well, Scott's not thinking it
yet 'cause he's kind of an idiotabout this, but he's not.
Well, maybe Chris and Derek are the only ones who are thinking
like, what are we going to do ifit's not Styles anymore?
Yeah, what are we going to do ifit takes over entirely?
What are Deaton's? Deaton's thinking it for sure
because he's trying to attack the parts separately but like.

(34:06):
But maybe the kids aren't. Maybe none of the other kids
are. Like, that's what.
What do we do if it's not our friend anymore, but these two
are? Yeah, they haven't, they haven't
gotten there yet. They're still because it's
still, there's still pieces of styles that poke through.
And so they refuse to kind of admit or understand that like
there's there's two parts here. And Derek and Chris both
understand at this point, because I imagine Chris knows

(34:30):
because he's seen it. And Derek understands because
he's been a wolf for so long, that if one part of him were to
go to go mad, then there would be a part of him that he could
not control, that he could not understand, that would be
hurting people. That those are two separate
parts, and how do you save one without the other?

(34:50):
And I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I needed to see Derek. I needed to see his face,
process Chris's answer. Because Derek is also thinking
the same thing. And I just need, I needed to see
him think. You're absolutely right.
I needed to see him think about it.
Yeah, show me the rest. Show me the cut footage.
You filmed it, I know you did. I know you did so anyway.

(35:14):
Anyhoo, we. Have to go back to Eichenhaus
where Morel is leading a therapysession.
You. You were a high school guidance
counselor. And a French teacher And a
magician. Magic and magician, Magical
lady, don't do this. You qualified to lead this.
Are you licensed, ma'am? What is this?

(35:37):
So I do. There is a a thing that draws
through here. The lesson is on guilt and the
physical manifestation of guilt.Now, this is not the first time
that Morel and Styles have talked about physical
manifestations of emotions, talking about drowning, talking
about all of that. But in this scene, I'm looking
kind of at the whole board aboutMalia, because Malia, they're

(36:01):
asking, Morel is asking her, like, So what does guilt feel
like to you? She talks about it, I think,
being in her stomach, that it makes her sex to her stomach.
And we'll get to the end of the episode.
And once Malia figures out what has happened, you do not think
she's going to be feeling guiltyabout that in like a year from
now? And she looks back at

(36:21):
everything, like, do you think that she's not going to feel
some misplaced guilt? Maybe.
Poor thing. Maybe.
Yeah, but Styles is doing that thing where he, like, hunches
over and scratches the back of his head to reveal a very
interesting scar kind of going up on his neck and it and Morel
sees it and it makes her nervous.

(36:44):
Yeah, she she ends that group therapy section real quick and
is like styles come with me because it's really nice to be
to be the stand out in a group therapy session about.
Guilt. You can all leave early.
Styles see me after class. Like that's, that's really nice.
Super great, Super great. Thank you.
And she's like, hey, these are Lichtenberg scars, which is like

(37:07):
what you get from a lightning strike.
I am a little mad. One of the things I love about
fic is that a lot of fic when Styles gets to be part like
human, they keep all of his scars.
I know you have to keep them. You have to keep the scars.
And this is a scar like I understand that it's about like
it's about control. When the Lichtenberg figure
disappears, it means that the wolf like it has gone away and

(37:28):
then it gets to make it come back.
But like I needed him to keep this scar like later.
Yeah, I know he. Needs to have this scar.
Because he's like the. Only one in the freaking group
who can scar. This is this is an argument I
have with like nearly every TV show on the planet is your aside
from the wolves, your charactersare human.

(37:49):
They get hurt, they get hurt. Where are their fucking scars
again? Not to devolve into 911, but
knee deep in the passenger seat,these firefighters literally die
and come back to life. One of them was literally struck
by lightning. He has to have a Lichtenberg
figure. There's one behind the scenes

(38:11):
foot photo of him with the makeup for a Lichtenberg scar.
It looks phenomenal. Yeah.
And it's never seen again. And you're like, why one of
them? I mean multiple, like one of
them is shot like where there's a like, please stop.
These are human beings. And there is actually an early

(38:33):
like season 1, season one or twoepisode where the firefighters
are sitting around and they're talking about here's my cool
scars from different things likeOK, and where are they again?
Where? Where are they now?
You have to keep them. These are human beings.
It's cool. It shows that they're alive.
It shows that they risk their fucking lives for other people

(38:53):
and it hurts. One of my I remember moons and
moons and moons ago, there was avideo game that I loved.
It's one of the, I think it's one of the fables, don't quote
me on this. I think it's one of the fables
where you, you know, grow up as like an adventurer and you do
all these things, but every timeyou die in game, your character
gets a scar. Cool.

(39:14):
So. So by the end of the game you
are just completely covered in scars.
Excellent. And I'm just like, yes, this is
correct. Yeah.
Because you, these people are getting hurt.
They're getting injured. And magic aside, like it needs
to show. Yeah, yeah.
I don't understand. I don't understand.

(39:35):
I'm so mad about. It yeah, so mad so.
He needed this figure forever. He needed this figure.
Forever. And it makes the fans happy
because then you have fan art that makes defining
characteristics. Yes.
And then like it, it makes them recognizable in the vast sea of
fan art of brown haired, white skinned figures like, I don't

(39:56):
know, leave the scars. Leave the scars.
It doesn't make someone ugly, itmakes them fascinating.
It does. And alive I don't.
Whatever. Pain he'll.
Talk about this for an entire day.
Pain heals, chick sting scars. Glory is forever.
Yeah, Harry Potter is only interesting because there's a
fucking light bulb lying on his head, like.
Not that I'm not mad enough at Miss Morrell, right?

(40:18):
Not that I'm not already questioning everything about her
and what she's doing here, but she proceeds to tell him that as
soon as that figure fades from his skin that the wolf like and
will have sort of run out and that the Nagitsune can take
over. So it is in fact, incredibly
important that Styles stay awakebecause when he is asleep he is

(40:40):
most vulnerable to the Nagitsunelike he has been the whole time.
So she just drugs? Yeah, No, thank you.
Drugs just. Drugs.
No, no, thank you. Drugs.
That little owl, she becomes that little owl and just gives
him an entire thing of amphetamines.
Yes, when he is currently under a hold, like a psychiatric hold.

(41:01):
Not allowed to do that, guys. You're not allowed to do that.
You just give him. But then she just proceeds to
like keep taking meds out of thecabinet and then gives it like
holds out a bottle of something burying.
Oh yes, it's something that'll like stop him from breathing.
But basically he's like, well, what is that?
It's like, well, it's this thingand that will paralyze your

(41:24):
lungs. And he's like death question
mark. And she's like if the Nigetna
takes over death because balance.
Yeah. I will.
Have we not learned? Have we not learned?
Didn't Chris watch the only Likedidn't didn't we have this
conversation? Yeah, if the if the only have

(41:45):
already killed in the getsna andit's back.
Like, dude, dude, OK, all right.It's like they're not talking to
each other. I don't.
Know, I don't, I don't know. That's why that not that this
meeting should have been an e-mail, but there should have
been a meeting or an e-mail. Yeah.
That there should have been a meeting.
There should have been an e-mail.

(42:06):
A little, a little something together for sure, yeah.
So it's very important to set upthe rest of what happens with
the non I Can House crew in the next scene.
Everyone just decides that they're going to try and rob an
armored car because that's wherethe Hitachi stuff is getting

(42:27):
moved to federal lockup, becauseChris is back apparently on the
phone with Allison. So they're just the gang's going
to rob an armored car. Good talk guys, Good talk.
Great. And if Chris is on the phone at
at county lockup, is that not being recorded?
You would think. OK, just, you know, planning a
heist. Yeah, it's cool, guys.

(42:48):
On a recording, but that's cool.Deep sigh.
Yeah, they're going to. They're going to rob an armored
car as children. Like you do.
Cool. Good for them.
Yeah. So Styles wants to get into the
basement of Ikenhaus, and Olivercatches him trying to get
through this, like, locked basement door.
And he's like, only the orderly.Brunski has a key to that door,

(43:09):
the head orderly. Cool, thanks to that exposition.
But we're going to have to get that key, and styles is like
part of me is getting very good at playing tricks.
Dun Dun. And he's not, he's not wrong,
not wrong, but the next scene with him is he's like in in the
boys bathroom throwing water on his face.
But Malia is also in there showering because.

(43:31):
Styles is the only one who has aproblem with this because Malia
is just like the water is hotterin here.
I, I, I'm, I'm a fucking coyote.Like what the fuck do you want?
Yeah, and she can't get warm as a human 'cause she no longer has
fur. Yeah.
Which is actually kind of a funny characteristic.
She's so fucking right. One of the things that like,
'cause Malia grows a lot like asa person over the next few

(43:54):
seasons, but they miss the chance for her to be fucking
feral. Yes, I do remember this being an
argument in the fandom. Is like like Malia one point O
right here in this scene Hilarious.
She's fucking hilarious. I love her like she's just.
I'm a fucking coyote. I hate your guts.
Change me back. Fuck you.

(44:15):
I miss my fur I'm cold. My dad hates me.
My dad hates me. You came into my den.
You put me on the run. You ruined my life.
You ruined my life. You make me explain to my dad
like why I'm the reason everyoneelse is dead 'cause I tried to
eat them on a full moon. I just want to be a coyote
again. Yeah, and she's fucking.
She's so right. She's so right at being mad at
Styles, and Scott by extension. She's so right.

(44:37):
And that this version, like in this scene, I think is a
character I could have liked a lot more.
Yeah. Of somebody in their group who
doesn't get soft like another Jackson.
Yeah, 'cause we're missing a Jackson right now.
Like the twins. I think they try sometimes, but.
But like, the twins have actually murdered characters we

(45:00):
liked. Yeah, for real.
So I can't go back for me like maybe other people can, but like
I can't look at the twins and belike, oh, they're helpful.
Like no, they helped murder boy they.
Killed Boyd. I'm out.
They probably helped kill Erica.I'm out.
I'm out. You're like I'm done.
Yay. They are useful sometimes but
like no thank you. But we we're missing a Jackson

(45:21):
who is like there and involved but is also a bitch.
That is also a bitch. Yeah, like I Malia is so right.
She has lived the majority of her life as a coyote in the
woods. This girl should be a little
feral. Let her be feral.
Yeah, she doesn't need to get better.
No, she's fine. She's fine, She's fine.

(45:45):
But Stiles is like, maybe I can,I can get you some help with
changing back. And my big question in this
moment, I know that he's, like, going to send her to Scott, but
like, isn't Derek gonna be better for, like, turning back
into a coyote? I would think so.
I would think so, yeah. Like, oh, you wanna be a coyote
forever? I know a guy.

(46:06):
I know a guy. I know a guy.
And actually, I would think, well, I mean, it's not gonna
work out, but Peter too. Oh yeah, that absolutely.
Feral crazy person. Oh, we'll get to Peter and
Malia. We'll we'll get there.
We'll get there. No, thank you.
Yeah. So over this is where the show
for me is like could we could westay in like 1 spot for like 2

(46:29):
seconds? Like 2 seconds because.
We spend all of like 3 seconds back at the Argent Place
deciding if this is a bad plan or not to put AGPS tracker on
the armored car. Scott's going to break open the
back while everyone else distracts the guards.
And all I was thinking is like, look at these little teenagers
trying to make a plan to commit a crime.
And Lydia is the eternal optimist, and we love her for

(46:49):
this. I think it's going to work like
I don't think it's going to workI.
Don't think it's going to work guys, but OK.
This is this is not going to happen.
And then back at Eiken, they plan a fight between Malia and
Oliver to get the keys off Brunsky.
Thank you for the teamwork, we love you.
And Oliver's out here yelling about drilling holes in his
head. Don't do it.

(47:09):
Don't do it. Don't do it.
Yeah, I mean really don't though.
No hard pass and. Then we go to the Sheriff's
Department with the most frustrating scene where Chris
thinks he's being brought in to a room to talk to his lawyer,
but actually it's that woman from how far back?
The beginning of season 3 B. So like the 3/13?

(47:32):
Who doesn't yet have a name, I'mpretty sure.
But she speaks Spanish, and she calls him Christoph.
So her name is Aria Calavera Do.We know what happened in the
show though. Eventually I think we'll learn
that, but not for a while. But yeah, this is this is the
Chris is being brought in to meet with the lady who tortured

(47:54):
Derek. Yes.
Like, why? Why?
Why? Why is she here?
How did she get here? Why was she let in to this
interrogation room? For fun, for profit, for plot
devices. So I guess we could stay here
real quick because because the rest of the like, the whole

(48:14):
thing here just bounces back andforth between everyone's scenes,
just beating. So they're having a little check
that about the code and she's like, well, our hers is a code
of honor. And Chris is like, well, where
does it say that my wife had to kill herself?
And they just, they have this like back and forth using such a
vague language that you, you could like just let it flow over

(48:38):
you and have no concept of what they're talking about.
Yeah, your family's very complicated, isn't it?
Sure is, ma'am. Yeah, Like, uh huh.
Like it's. Is this about Allison?
Are you fishing? I don't fish, mijo.
I hunt. Like, what are we talking about?
I. Mean like I love that line, but.
Like are we just using vague vagaries so that no plot

(48:59):
happens? Like what are we doing?
And like as as we get to the endof the season, like I think I
know what she's asking about, I think, but like the language
that she uses at the beginning of the season, the language she
uses now, it's like it all. It's like they wrote it and then

(49:19):
they decided to plug it in. Like remember they were like she
she was looking for La Loba and they all swear she's talking
about Cora and it turns out she's talking about somebody
else. Yes, and she like when Peter
doesn't answer she like cuts offhis finger.
Yeah, she cuts off his finger. It's like she's talking about

(49:39):
somebody else, but she should actually be talking about a
third person. That, like, would make more
sense if you wrote, if you like,wrote it out the whole way and
you're like, what? What are you talking about,
friend? Yeah.
Who are you hunting? Yeah, and he's.
Because nobody knows. Nobody knows and she's currently
like mad at Chris for like trying to retire I guess.

(50:04):
Yeah, or like leave the. Life.
Yeah, I guess I she's just mad at him and thinks that he's
withholding information from her.
Yeah, and I, I don't. Is he?
He doesn't does. Chris know, I don't think he
does anything. I think I'm gonna have to get to
the end of the season to like actually figure it out.
But I think the information thatshe wants, no, nobody has.

(50:28):
Nobody has. Yeah, nobody has this
information. Yeah.
Like. He can't help you.
He can't help you. Derek couldn't help you.
Peter can't help you. Chris can't help you.
Very sorry. You're hitting all the right
pieces of people who would know,but they don't know.
They don't know shit. Yeah, they don't got shit for
you. So sorry.
Very sorry, ma'am. Yeah, so oops.
Yeah, I guess. So I guess if we stick with the

(50:50):
armored car, let's stick with the armor before we go to OK, so
we have we have the armored car takedown, so.
Kira decides to show up at Scott's house because she wants
to help. And Scott is like, no, you're my
girlfriend, don't help. And she's like, but I just, I
wanna be the cutest patootie helpful person on earth.
And she's been practicing with her Cortana and is a badass.
Yeah, she's real good. She's.
Real good. And Scott's like, OK, I guess

(51:12):
you could come. I mean, what's he gonna do?
Say no. I love Kira, I love her so much.
Yeah, she is adorable. She is indeed adorable.
And so she at the scene of the crime, literally they're about
to commit. They're about to commit.
Would like is this a federal felony they're committing here
stealing? Oh.

(51:33):
Yeah, she puts the GPS on the car, but like, nothing happens.
The car doesn't drive away. Parrish shows up, opens the door
and the other guy, the driver, is like dead or knocked out.
Rat Row. Oh, and then Kincaid jumps out
of the armored car completely. Parish out.
By parish. And none of this seems to be

(51:55):
going the way they anticipated. No.
So now they've got Kincaid who'sgot the finger, and the kids are
like, we need that finger because I guess the scroll is
inside the finger. Which, you know, that's a smart
place to put it. Smart Place.
And Kincaid really just wants the money that it's worth like

(52:16):
$3,000,000 because but that means someone else will buy it,
right? And Kira leaps off the the car
onto Kincaid who just flips, flicks her off as if she is
nothing. And now it's time to fight.
And then everything turns blue and then we have a blue fight.
It's a blue fight time and my note here was Scott, you are an

(52:37):
alpha. What is happening?
Which was immediately followed by the line.
You have the eyes of an alpha, where is the strength?
And I was like, no, exactly why?Why can't you?
You're dude. Dude.
How? How is Kincaid like special?
What are these punches? What is happening I.
Don't understand? I don't.
Is it simply for plot that sometimes Scott's punches are

(52:57):
really impactful and sometimes they're not?
It must be. Because it's like, where's the
strength? And then the twins are like up
here. You know, but we fight and we
fight and we fight. But eventually, because plot,
the pack does good and we we winthe fight.
Hurray. Yep.
And then Scott's like, don't kill him.
We're here to save a life, not end one.

(53:20):
And you know what I love, I lovethis.
I love this thing because no, we're not here to end a life.
That's not what we do. You're like 1617 years old.
You shouldn't be in the businessof killing people.
And also if Kincaid, if Kincaid had literally like stood up as
they were walking away, plucked off whoever was at the back and

(53:43):
slit their throat, it wouldn't have surprised me.
Yeah, for real. Like for real.
Like Scott right now has been dealing with a lot of bad guys
that like can be won over. They all have an emotional
Kincaid has no emotional weakness.
Kincaid has no emotional weakness.
Kincaid is just money and power and does not care then.

(54:07):
You have a fuck. So the fact that Kincaid does
not immediately seek revenge on the McCall back, like just what?
Wild. Yeah, like you've just lost your
$3,000,000 payday. What's happening?
Wild. And they left him the 150,000
like OK, but that's not the same.
And that's not even your money. That's still evidence, Yeah.
I don't know man. I don't, I don't understand.

(54:27):
And eventually we'll figure out what the scroll was, but we'll
wait till the end of the episode.
Yes. So I guess we have to go to
Aiken house. Yeah, we have to go to Aiken
because Styles is trying to break into the basement door
with the keys. But Bronski's got a lot of keys.
But so Bronski, the big the big,the big main guy catches Styles
and decides that he's just goingto catch him and have some fun.

(54:49):
So he ends up dosing Styles withhalidol I guess.
Which is a sedative. Which is a sedative and styles
is like, Oh no, I can't go to sleep, I can't go to sleep.
And then he immediately goes to sleep.
Bye bye. And he he wakes up in a locker.
Where he proceeds to have a verycat coded conversation.
Let me out. Bang Bang, Bang, Bang.

(55:10):
Bang, let me out and then the bandage wrapped metal toothed
guy on the outside goes let me in, let me in.
Not by the hair, chin, chin. My chin, chin, chin.
And styles like I don't, I don'tknow.
That means like you know what itmeans.
Sometime. When there's a door, not a door.
More of your stupid riddles. Yeah, but very, very long.

(55:33):
Let me out, let me in. And then Styles verse awake in
the quiet room where he was locked because Malia is there
and she's broken into the room to let him out.
Yeah. Because you're nice.
She's strong and I'm strong. So let's go.
Yeah, you nice, I strong. Let's go.
Because there's another way intothe basement.
How convenient. I love this for her.

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I love this for her, Yeah. So she takes him down to that,
that boiler room where he's beenbefore, and the only symbol is
scratched in. Yeah.
And. It means.
Self and she's like, tell me thestory, 'cause like, I don't know
what's happening here. Yeah, she says.
Maybe you should tell me more. And that's that's like the if

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that's not the phrase for season3 BI don't know what it is.
She really boiled down the essence of the problems in in
these plot lines of like, hey, just tell me what's going on.
Yeah, hey, explain. So they are rifling through
paperwork that they have found of, you know, different
procedures that have occurred atEichenhaus, one of them being

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trepidation, which is what Oliver has been very worried
about. And then Styles is like, hey,
could you look at my back and tell me about these, these
lines? And it turns out that they are
almost gone. Retro.
And Malia's like, not good, not good.
And she's cold, because she's always cold.

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And then Stiles holds her hands.They get a.
Little on the couch. They get a little snuggly and
they're like sort of flirting, but not really and.
Then she just barrels in for a kiss.
Yeah, 'cause Malia is thinking like a coyote.
I guess, yeah. So there's a lot of things

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around this particular romantic scene between Styles and Malia,
and it's like, if you want to believe that they are both in an
emotional place to be able to know what's going on and to be
able to give consent, then like Baller, I don't believe that
they're in that space. You know my my notes here were

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just like consent issues. Question mark cause like on the
one side, I don't think Malia's not like giving consent, but
she's she has taken, I think allof the emotion out of it.
You're nice to me. You help me find food, you help
me keep me safe and let's let's coyote.
Stuff like this is very much like a cut and dry like kindness

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exchange. Yep.
For her. And also she's fucking cold.
And so like, let it ride. Styles is having like a lot of
emotional feelings, but we don'tknow at this point how much of
this is Styles who's making decisions.
And so like I get it, but also like what?
Yeah, I mean, we also don't knowlike what kind of drugs they are

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on because of where they're at. Like we we know that Styles was
given the amphetamines from Morel and then was given.
Haladol. Well, first he was given the
downer. From how many?
Oh no, he hasn't been given the shit from all over yet.
OK, yeah, he's been pumped full of of a number of things.
Like, and I'm not saying that this is like outright assault.

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I don't think I don't think it is, but it's definitely not
sunshine and rainbows. Like, no, it this is, this is
weird and it's gonna, it's gonna, it's weird, both of them.
The longer they think it's just gonna be when.
You walk through safe, sane and consensual.
I don't know that we have either.
None, none of this is safe thing'cause I think what's ending

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happening is that Styles and Malia are both consenting to
different things. Yeah.
And Styles, for all we know, isn't in his body at all.
No. And we all, I mean like how we
know that he hasn't slept well in weeks.
Like I yeah. Where is his brain?
Yeah, I don't. I didn't love this the first
time it happened. Don't like it now?
I don't love it now. Even older.

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Yeah, like. It it didn't gross me out like
it did the first time, like 'cause the first time gave me
like the willies, yeah. Oh yeah, I was like.
But this time I'm just like, guys, what are you doing?
It's and people who make out because they're bored.
Yeah, I think I don't I. Don't know what you're doing?
I think we'll does. I don't know that it grosses me
out, but what, like, you know, if I was a cartoon, like lots of

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big question marks above my headare like, that's the one writers
thinking. Yeah.
That's my question. What do you think you wrote
here? Well, yeah.
What do you think you wrote here?
I'm super curious. Do you think this was like cute
'cause they are literally an unhaunted sane asylum?
Like they're styles has a gets an A over his shoulder.
Like what do you think is happening?

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Here, yeah, so. 'Cause if you think this is
romantic, we need to talk. We need to have a conversation.
Yeah. So we get We cut back to the
scene and Styles and Malia have both put on the rest of their
clothes and are curled up on a couch in the basement.
It is unclear it. Doesn't think what would happen.
Kind of behaviors occurred. Was it some topless making out?
Did they have a lot of sex? Like we don't know.

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And it. Doesn't really matter in this
moment. Yeah.
But Malia ever pray to her instincts, just decides to get
up. She's done and wanders towards
the kanji on the wall and decides to to knock on it.
Because she don't know what. Do you think she heard like?
An echo that was. My interpretation is that she,

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like, heard one of those echoes.Yeah, from a better hearing than
Styles does. Which would have been great if
the show had given us more of the echoes that the building is
fucking named after. If we had 'cause we hear it once
from fucking Oliver in the beginning.
It's like, oh, you hear echoes all the time.
And then now like if we had gotten maybe a little.

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More if we had at least heard anecho of something.
It would have been great to be like oh here's that plot point
coming back around. Other than it here just looks
like like they couldn't move thescene from couch to wall other
than Malia just getting up. She just has to like get up and
she, she gets up. So yeah, so like knock, knock,

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knock. And it sounds kind of hollow.
So Styles grabs he well, he doesn't have a bat, so he has to
get a pipe. I just eats it open I guess.
Yeah, busts through this wall where there is a body.
That looks suspiciously like theone that's been following us
around all season. With the jacket wrapped in the

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bandages. Malia, covered in plot armor,
decides to pull something out ofthe body's pocket, and it's a
photo. And she goes, do you recognize
anybody? And Styles says that he does
recognize someone in the photo. It would have been.
Super cool if we had gotten to see the photo.

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Well, that that's for next season.
No, it's what was the next episode, I think.
Yeah, I think it's the next episode.
But come on man. Just.
Turn that photo around, baby. Well, you know.
What happens when he turns around Rut row?
He gets tased. Yeah, both of them get Tased.
Has someone come back for revenge?
It's Oliver. Oliver.
No. Oliver no.

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We. Liked you.
It's a little crazy. Lies.
Yeah, he's his. His eyes are are pretty sunk,
sunk into his head. Pretty pretty.
You know that look. Pretty bruised a little bit.
We we do in fact know that look.And he's like, you took
Brunsky's keys. I took his stun gun and his
Halidol. He's like, I heard they used to

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do trepidation here. Oh, he's got a drill now.
That drill still has power. I don't know.
Magic. But he's going to let the evil
spirits out. You know what?
Anything to work? Do you ever have a headache so
bad that you're like, you know what?
You can drill a hole in my head.Yes.
Yeah, I mean, that is what they used to do too with trepidation

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is people had headaches, they were like, I'm gonna let the
evil spirits out or the headache.
Yeah, so I, I have had migraine where you're like just drill a
fucking hole in my head just. Let it out.
Just let it out. I get why people did this.
Yeah. So anyway, he is feeling,
feeling real real bad, real, real bad until he starts to

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cough and we see in his hands he's coughed up a lot of blood
and a little buggo and a little buggo.
Little buggo, little buggo. Interesting.
On that. No, no, I've, I've, I've coughed
up fruit flies, but I know because you'll get a little bug
and you breathe in like when you're outside.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, oh God, I
didn't mean to breathe in. I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry. So yeah, he's got he's got
Styles tied to a chair and Malia.
Rut Row. But I think Malia is like
totally out. Like whether she's out with a
stun gun or out with a Hala doll, she's just out.
She's just out. Yeah, and the Styles is woken up
and then it gets an A is off to the side, telling Oliver to

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like, start start the drilling, the head drilling with Malia.
The Retro. And he's very, very pop culture
to say that every Dracula needs a Renfield.
I don't understand this reference.
Oh, OK, so you know Dracula, right?
I do. I know who Dracula is.
I don't know who Renfield is. So Renfield is Dracula's like

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little buddy. He's like his his henchman in in
the book. So in this reference, Oliver is
Renfield. Yes, Oliver is Nagitzine is
Renfield. I understand.
Thank. You so yes.
So Nagitzine is Dracula, Oliver is Renfield who is like his

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fanatic servant and familiar whohelps him out with his plan with
with Mina to turn Mina into a vampire.
Rad. And actually interestingly, and
I'm sure it's all connected, butinsects are involved in the
original Dracula because he likeneeds like a supply of insects
for his his immortality. For his evil deeds.

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And Renfield lives in an asylum because he's insane.
How about that? Yeah, I should remember that.
It's been a long time since I read Dracula.
I've never read Dracula. I tried.
Once you realize that it's kind of funny, it's easier to read.
Fair enough. If you don't take it so
seriously then then it's easier to read anyway.

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Yeah. So we we return to this like
back and forth call of let her go.
Instead of let me go. It's now let her Malia let me in
because then it gets in a has turned on styles to be like,
Hey, I'll I'll let this one go, but you got to let me in.
Do you want to leave alive with her?
Like you're going to let her go?But yeah, let me in.

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That's the deal now. And my big thing was like,
buddy, you just met her. I, I again, I get it.
I understand you want to think you're the good guy.
And it's like, of course I don'twant to sacrifice anybody else
for this any more than I have to.
Of course I'm going to take it on myself, but like.
Yeah. Buddy, you just come on, dude.

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I know. Hey, this is crazy, I just met
you, but let me go. Maybe I.
Don't know. Not that I don't want to save
Malia, I do. I do want to save Malia like
let's be clear about this, but like.
He's been resisting for so long and it's this one that lets him
that has him finally succumbing.I was like come on bro if it.

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Were the sheriff if it were Melissa, if it were Scott, if it
were Lydia, like, even Alice like any of the Kira pack like?
Fucking Chris Argent, like any of the pack that he had been
through. I'll talk to me about Derek.
Like him, obviously not like. Oh God.
Right, any of the pack he'd beenthrough Hellfire with.
Literally Miss Mann over here. Like, like we just meant dude.

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We just met. Dude.
In the. Shower we just like got intimate
and now murderer question about like what?
What's this seeing? Boobs in the shower, What are we
doing? Like, I don't, I don't like
there. What?
What? Dear writers, what did you think
this was? Like, what did you think you
were doing? Like what?

(01:07:47):
What was the impact that this was supposed to have?
It makes him look a little weak.It does.
And I know there are people who love Styles and Malia and like,
good for you. I'm so glad you have something
for me. I'm like, he's got a whole
family that he held out for, butnot a stranger.
Like, OK, well. You're not setting up a ship

(01:08:08):
that I'm going to love for this like it's not happening.
If it were end game, I might if it were end game, I might have
given it a little more like leeway and retrospect, But it's
not what it's it's not like I just, well, doesn't matter.
Styles makes a choice makes a choice is to let him in.
Hi, Void. Good morning.

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Void. 'S hot void is hot and Speaking
of like the things that we're the long lasting ramifications
of this, Malia is going to feel so much guilt when she figures
out in like a year all the things that happened because of
this decision that he made for her without her knowledge or her
consent. Because.
The girl was passed out like oh so I was the lynchpin you're

(01:08:55):
blaming me now? Like all right well void is
here. Void the niggots name has
completely possessed style. Styles has let him in and
decides to, you know, take over.So he decides to.
We're going to, we're going to put the drill down, Oliver, and
we're just going to knock you out a little bit little.
Smack, you smack. Little little pow and I'm here,

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I guess. He's here, baby.
And you know, we just staying atEikenhaus, you know, come
morning, I guess. I guess, yeah.
However much time has passed, we're I.
I guess Void is gone because Miss Morrell is walking Malia
out of Eikenhaus. She gets to.

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Leave. She's been there for God knows
how long and I guess can be checked out by a guidance
counselor. And Morel really is telling her
how to find Scott. Yeah, I don't know where I'm
going, but I know who I'm looking for.
It's like I can tell you how to find him.
Like, OK. OK.
How does how does she get to leave?

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How does she get dismissed? Is it just like magical in the
Gibson powers or like is her time up like is her dad like?
I don't think she was checked involuntarily.
I don't think she put herself inthere for protection.
I don't. So I don't know what that shit's
all about. And so then they walk, she walks
out and she like flashes her blue eyes.

(01:10:19):
Like so you have control over your eyes.
I don't I OK, I don't get it. But like, OK, you go girl.
Consistent, God damn it. Like I just I don't understand
consistent, I don't understand. Yeah, I don't either.
And our and finally we have the vet clinic where Scott has taken
has taken the scroll to Deaton and they're talking about that
one way to exercise then it getsan A is to change the body of

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the host. The deaton is being super
helpful at peruge. How do we change the body?
And Scott's like, well, I could turn him into a werewolf, but
the. Tracks the, checks the tracks.
What if changing the body was like dying his hair?
Or like getting a tattoo. Yeah.
Get a get a piercing like. Yeah, little nipple piercing for

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styles expels the demon. Love that for him.
Congratulations. And go bud.
And then he becomes a piercer, and every time he pierces he
goes expel the demons. Expel the armis.
Yeah, so basically at the end ofthe episode we have established
that Chris is willing to kill Styles if it means killing the

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Dagitson A. Scott is convinced that if he
turns Styles into a werewolf that it will exercise the
Nagitson A. And the Nagitson A has totally
taken over Styles and Styles hasbecome void and Malia just gets
to like freewheeling and dealingout of the out of Aikenhaus and

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is going to Scott. Yes.
Which sets up the end of the season, I guess.
Yeah. But like.
I don't think I trust Aikenhaus.I don't like this episode.
No, I it's I don't love it. I don't love it.
I don't know how you fix it, butI don't love it.
Yeah. Like I don't, I don't know what

(01:12:08):
is better I. Don't know, I don't know.
I mean I don't know how to fix it, but I can't.
I mean, I take out the Malia Styles couch situation 'cause I
think you like come to that later maybe when consent can be
established in a way that's not like.
Wait until like we've established who's being

(01:12:28):
possessed by a demon or not. Like, come on, man.
Fair. Legit.
Yeah. I mean, I want I can have us to
be spookier so that when Malia just magically is like tap tap
tap on the wall, it comes from something that we actually heard
the echoes that the fucking building is named after.
I wanted there to finally be more struggle between styles and

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then it. Gets an A at.
The very, very end of like, you know, he's been fighting this
off for a month like for weeks at this point.
He's been fighting this off likedon't let him in.
Don't let him in. We're constantly keeping him
out. He keeps coming.
I keep beating him back and it'slike to have I to have like
either seen that escalation and then just the drop off the

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Cliff. Fine.
You want you want me fine, See what happens to you.
I would like threaten him. Are you threatening us?
Threaten him do. Something.
Like it's. It's just, you know, he's at his
limit. Yeah, he's allowed to give in.
Of course he is. I just, I wanted it to feel like

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it meant something and it just didn't.
Yeah, I think it's like the showran out of time because it's
episode 20 of 22. Yeah, for real.
And they were like, well, it's got to be now or never.
Well, let's go. I would have I would have loved
actually like thinking kind of back on it if I could like
reshuffle the series, that moment in the MRI machine,

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because that's the moment where Lydia screams for Styles.
It would have made absolutely complete and total sense if
that's when Void was born. Like if that's when then he gets
and he got to Styles was in there.
Yeah, because he's trapped. Because, yeah, because he's
completely trapped and he can't reach out for help.
He can't distract himself. He's just done.

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And then all of this would be void and then like just kind of
pretending. And maybe that's what it's
supposed to be. And just Dylan O'Brien pretended
so good. I thought it was Styles.
Maybe we ought to ask him. Hold on, maybe that's the point,
but like, this did not work for me.
None of this worked for me. I Yeah.

(01:14:38):
I don't know, get them on the line and be like, hey, were you
so good? Were you just so good at
pretending? You're a great pretender.
Now I'd like to speak with your writers.
Thank you. Yeah, I get like, what?
What did you think you were doing with this?
Yeah, I didn't get it. Yeah, I didn't get it.
I'm looking forward to next episode.
I think next episode is when we finally get everybody explaining

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everything to us, I think. Which OK, but like I don't want
an exposition dump, I want, I want it along the.
Way I know, and I would have liked it along the way.
Unfortunately, we get an exposition dump next episode.
Yeah. At least it's interesting.
It is very interesting. But yeah, yeah, it's.
It's not their best. Not their best, not their best.

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The best? Not the best.
Oh well. I'll be winners.
Yeah, well, we are absolutely onthe roller coaster.
We have four more episodes to goin this season.
Next up Next up is Season 3, episode 21, The Fox and the
Wolf. Aru AA Wu.
Indeed, Aru. Yeah, this is a long season.

(01:15:45):
Cause of the the break. Yeah, cause of the AB.
Bam. Kabam yeah, there's 24 whole ass
episodes like real TV used to be.
The real TV God I miss real TVI do I?
Know, I know, but that just means more of us Yip yapping.
Indeed. Yapping away about about the TV.

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So yeah, I don't know. We'll get the coaster's gonna
go. Whoosh.
Yeah, the coaster is the coasteris in fact going to go woosh.
And we will be here to, to, to ride as far as we can.
And it's going to. Be I get motion sick.
I mean, so do I. You and I on a roller coaster is
not not great. Place for either one of us to

(01:16:31):
be. It's true, And yet we're on this
roller coaster and we cannot stop.
And then we'll finally get off the roller coaster in four
weeks. But then we'll get right back on
the roller coaster with Season 4.
So exactly. At least Season 4 will be a
sillier roller coaster. The rock and rock and roller,
whatever that was. Pretty much, yeah.
Rock and roller coaster all righty Well, I guess thank you
for hanging in on this hanging through hanging.

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