Follow Barb and Tyler on the Gram:
https://www.instagram.com/tylerbrunkhorst/
https://www.instagram.com/barbsutt/
We didn't realize how drastically our lives would change when we each took a discovery flight for the first time. Join us for a unique episode of the Far Aim Podcast, as we - Barb Sutton, Jared Johnson, and Tyler Brunkhorst - take over and share our personal experiences in finding flight schools and taking the first steps towards a thrilling career in aviation. From Barb's grounding experience in the air to Jared's life-changing chance encounter at an airport, we all agree that discovery flights are a must for anyone considering aviation.
As former guests of the show, we discuss the importance of finding an instructor who shares your goals and is invested in your success. Navigating through different flight schools and curricula can be challenging, but it's crucial to find the right fit for your learning style and personal needs. In this episode, we discuss the role of family, career, and other constraints in selecting the right flight school. Discover how Jared eventually found the perfect instructor and how his journey through aviation led him to teach and be part of the community even when he wasn't actively flying.
While pursuing aviation can be both challenging and costly, we explore ways of making it a priority in your life and embracing the opportunities that come with it. Jared shares unforgettable moments from his aviation journey, such as flying side-by-side with an F-18 and hearing a supersonic boom that echoed across multiple states. Listen in as we discuss the various resources, programs, and opportunities available for aspiring pilots, as well as the importance of having a solid foundation in the fundamentals of flight. Get ready to be inspired and let your aviation dreams take flight!
Episode title, description, transcript and chapter markers brought to you by AI...
We did a "soft" relaunch of Pilot Ground in April 2025. If you want to sign up its at
https://forum.pilotground.com
It's completely free for everyone this time around. The first people joining here will help shape the direction we take the forum. We found a much cheaper way to run the community compared to before. We appreciate all the financial support we received from the Ground Crew Members on the original Pilot Ground! Thank You!!
Subscribe to the Rumble channel incase we do another airplane shopping episode... (this potential episode would not show up in this podcast feed (video only)):
https://rumble.com/FARAIM
Follow the show on X:
https://x.com/FARAIMPodcast
Robert started his own rumble channel and is contemplating streaming some flight simulator and IT type content:
https://rumble.com/RobertBerger
Lee is on the fence about starting a personal channel on Rumble and showcasing the flying his newly purchased aircraft. Send him an email if you would like him to do that!
Lee's Email is: FARAIM@LeeGriffing.com
Robert's Email is: FARAIM@RobertBerger.com
Scott's Online Store is: BoresAirParts.com
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to the Far Aim podcast.
I'm Tyler Brokehorse.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm Barbara Sutton.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I'm Jared Johnson .
This is a takeover.
This is episode 135.
We are former guests of theshow that have taken over the
show.
Rob Lee and Scott are out onvacation, I think somewhere
together in Florida.
We don't know where they are,But here we are And today we are
taking over this podcast andit's a demonstration of peer
(00:32):
pressure.
This original concept was justa funny idea in chat, and here
we are, the three of us takingover the Far Aim podcast, and so
today we are going to talkabout finding a flight school.
And how did we find our flightschools?
So the most recent entry intobeing a student pilot is Barb
(00:53):
You're out in New York, jared'sdown in Texas.
I'm up in Seattle.
I've been flying for over adecade, jared's somewhat new and
Barb's the freshest.
So let's start with you, barb.
Tell us a little bit about howyou found your way into aviation
.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I mentioned this on, i think, the podcast a
couple of weeks ago, so ifanybody hasn't heard that, it's
worth a listen.
I'm super good.
But no, seriously, i really itcame out of nowhere.
I'm the kind of person whereideas will pop into my head and
I'll be like I'm going to go dothis.
And it was exactly like thatwith aviation.
(01:29):
honestly, i started learningand reading about the Mercury 7
and the first test pilots backin the day of Chuck Yeager and
first breaking the sound barrierand like the jet AV, like jet
you know whatever, like therevolution essentially, and it
was really really cool andreading about it and
(01:51):
understanding like what role andpitch and y'all are.
It's very different when you'rephysically in an airplane and
when you're reading about it.
And so I sort of put the booksdown and I was like I'm going to
do this And I remember textingmy husband and being like I'm
going to go fly planes And hewas like, like you want to be a
pilot?
And I said no, i just want totake like a lesson, i want to
(02:13):
understand something.
It's just, don't worry about it, it's just a one time thing,
don't worry.
And he was like, okay, and Icalled up a flight school nearby
and I went for a discoveryflight and I loved it.
It was I mean, i'm sure thatyou guys can speak to this also
like that feeling of first, likeleaving the ground and watching
(02:36):
the runway underneath you, thatsight picture, staying on
centerline, you know just likethere's something amazing and
ironically so grounding to it.
Like I just felt like in orderto be grounded, i needed to be
in the sky And I it was amazingAnd I said I think I need to do
(02:57):
this more.
Like I distinctly remember notas much the flight but the
feeling afterward, like I was sopresent and so clear minded and
like all of a sudden,everything in my life was like
organized, i was able to getthings done.
Like it was just, it just feltso right.
So I continued taking lessonsat that school And ultimately
(03:22):
it's not the school I ended upat, but I mean I'm sure that
we'll, we'll, we'll get to it.
But that was definitely how Istarted and how I fell in love
with it.
So It's.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Discovery flights are the best way, the highest
recommendation I give to anyonethat's looking to get into
aviation even if they don't havethe funds for the full ticket,
at least go fly a discoveryflight with whatever flight
schools near you.
So they're a variety ofdifferent types of schools.
So, jared, how did you get intothat?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know it's a.
It's a good, it's a goodquestion.
I was actually having a reallytough week and I took my son out
to our local airport.
We live really close to a localmunicipal airport and we're
watching the approach of the air, the airplanes coming in, and
it just happens One of theflight school owners drove over,
(04:13):
opened his window and handed mea card and said you know, you
can take a flight if you like.
I said no, i don't think so.
My vision isn't, isn't goodenough to fly.
So he said no, if you havecorrect vision, you can.
So from there I said sign me up.
I bought the full SIM, i had afull setup, i had 40 to 50 hours
(04:34):
in an office before I took mydiscovery flight And after I
took the actual flight, it was,it was incredible, i was, i was
hooked.
So here we are.
Awesome, we're 200 hours down.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What was it about that flight that you liked so
much?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Goodness, you know, i didn't.
It wasn't clear to me that Iwas going to be on the controls
And so, being that I was goingto actually do some turns and
some coordination and andactually be on the controls for
landing pretty much throughthrough the flare and he took
(05:11):
over He it was.
That was probably the mostexciting aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, Isn't that, like Barb elaborated on the lack
of detail in in what you weredoing in the flight, but the
motions that you left with thatflight and the memories that you
made from that, all those, allthose details like just how, how
vibrant that memory is.
And there's certain milestones,as in your, your progression as
(05:39):
a pilot, from that firstdiscovery flight to soloing and
getting your your private ticketand each rating beyond their
all special moments in thatdiscovery flight is something
that is like the first timeyou've actually done that.
So, whatever experience you'vehad prior with simulations or
none at all, and how that meetsyour realities of you know where
(06:01):
you're expecting things.
And then the reality of this,the feeling of of the engine
vibrating and on on rollout totake off, and the first time you
pick up and the airplane getslight on the wheels, the smells,
all the things you weren'taccounting for.
Isn't that just something thatI remember the most about?
was just like the smell of theoil inside the, the flight deck
(06:27):
and all the things that justlittle micro details I wasn't
expecting and.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I guess yeah, yeah, 100 low lead, or sure.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We've had this discussion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Barb, don't you have acandle?
a hundred low lead candle?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I do.
I have a candle that smellslike a hundred low lead It
really smells like a hundred lowlead where I'm shocked at the
fact that, like I mean, it can'tbe right, guys, you can't make
a candle out of gasoline, right?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think it's real.
I could try Definitely.
You know Dr Physics back at theFarrain podcast.
So Scott, Scott, Boris infactory.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's very funny, But the truth is, i think it's, i
think it's a smell that that forme brings back, like you said,
that memory.
I think scent has memory in itand you smell it And for me it
brings me right back topreflight.
You know, i shoved the candlein my husband's face and he was
like it's like a urinal.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, It's likeit smells so good, i don't know
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, wholesomely like.
I thought that was a remarkablething about like all these
memories of the tactile feedbackof the aircraft, but those
smells and whatnot, how we canlatch onto those for memories
Like my.
my late grandpa had a certaincologne and smelling that almost
20 years later.
just happenstance, someone inthe mall had it and just
instantly felt like I was backwith him in the nineties And so
(07:50):
I have, I have a lot of thateclectic mix of smells from
aviation and primarily, justlike how Cessna smell, a little
bit different than like aserious manure leather.
All those things that weren'texpecting the discovery flight
but all of a sudden they're justwham, hitch you like a freight
train.
And those are the things Iremember some of the most about,
(08:11):
which I thought was reallyinteresting compared to having
spent hundreds and hundreds ofhours on flight simulators years
before and expecting, you know,just be staring at the
instruments and reality isespecially early on.
They really want you lookingoutside and feeling the aircraft
and experience The sightpicture and all the things that
are going on.
(08:32):
And you know, depending on ifyou have the David Clark a
shame's headsets, typicallythey're at the rental.
Those were the best.
The green ones, the very.
Yes, the outer cup is just coldor something, just you know,
compared to like a nice or a,nice or a nice or even the light
(08:52):
speeds.
You know the nice leather cup,that basically those David
Clarks you know.
You don't know what people aresaying in general And then you
also can't hear because theheadset sucks and because the
rental school, a rental headset,is just beat the heck.
So yeah that fun moments ofearly learning until you invest
in your own headset.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right.
So those little things are whatI was chasing when I, you know,
I read about these initial testpilots and what their site
picture is what they saw And Iwas like I need to under.
Like it's one thing to readabout it, right, It's one thing
to watch it or whatever, but toactually live and experience, it
was amazing.
It was like being in school andgoing on a field trip.
(09:35):
You know, it's real lifelearning, for me anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So, after your discovery flight, how'd you
start to transition to becominga student?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, like I said, when I do things, i do them 100%.
I go all in.
So I loved it.
I got the experience and I waslike I'm gonna, i'm gonna do
this.
And I bought the books, the bag, the headset, everything And I
started flying like two to threetimes a week And I was reading
(10:05):
the book And I was like you know, your, your CFI will tell you,
oh, next time you come in, makesure you have chapter three read
.
Like I read chapter three and Iwrote questions down in the
back of the book And I textedhim questions like throughout,
and he was like you had like,and he just wouldn't answer.
He was like this is you justasked me later, you know.
So I did, i went, i went all inAnd and it was great And as I,
(10:31):
i learned a little bit moreabout just aircrafts in general,
what I was really looking forin a pre-flight And in general,
like what I was looking for in aCFI, like I realized more and
more that the school that Iinitially had started with
wasn't the right thing for me.
You know, like I said, he waslike I'm sorry, i can't take
your questions, you know, and Iwas like I'm going to need
(10:52):
someone that can, like I reallywant to understand what's going
on.
I really want to be able todiscuss with you.
I want to, you know, i meanlisten, it's not going to happen
at hours of the night, but like, let's, let's just pick a time,
let's discuss over the like,over the phone, let's whatever.
Like, i'll like I'll pay you.
Well, it'll be a session orwhatever.
It is Like I needed to reallyunderstand and talk to someone
and, you know, not everybody'slearning styles match, so that,
(11:16):
plus the maintenance, i was likeI think I need to move
somewhere else.
And that was when I beganexploring a bunch of different
schools.
You know, everybody has theirown methodology and their own
way of doing things, and thesecond school I tried wasn't the
right one for me either, by theway, they did everything by a,
the sporty curriculum, i think,and it was very.
(11:38):
It was scripted almost likeeach lesson they would like
check off exactly whatbenchmarks we had met And you
know, we would go back tolessons and this and that, and I
wanted to enjoy it.
I wanted to move, i guess, atmy own pace.
I didn't want to have to keepup with lessons.
I didn't want two groundsessions for everyone in the sky
, like I read the book.
(11:59):
I read the book, i discussed thebook, like I was a lot more
involved in the knowledge of itthan other people.
You know, i got my AGI, myadvanced ground instructor
certificate, so now I have allthe knowledge.
I passed the test.
I passed the test to teach thestuff and they were still like
I'm sorry, but you always groundsessions And I was like I don't
(12:19):
, like this is not, this is notthe right thing, and so I moved
to another school.
You know, i think it as you gothrough your journey and you get
more knowledge, differentplaces may not be correct.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah that's really interesting about the AGI.
I was going to ask you abouthow your curriculum worked out
with ground school In particular.
A lot of people often try toknock out ground schools, like
your whole module, before sometry to integrate it as they go,
And it sounds like not only didyou integrate it as you go
through three different flightschools, but you also got your
AGI and became a groundinstructor And in some arguments
(12:53):
you could teach some of thoseCFIs about some of those ground
related maneuvers and lessons.
So that's really awesome.
You have that follow throughand drive to commit to the all
the curriculum.
So was that even offered to youin any sense for between any of
those three schools like aformal ground school?
(13:16):
because a lot of things areonline now, I'm curious if that
was something that you had tochase down on your own or was
difficult to find.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So the last of the flight schools, the one that I
ultimately ended up with, hasfree ground school, i think once
every two weeks, once everymonth, something like that.
But I mean I never went becauseby the time I got there I
already had my AGI.
My first, the first flightschool I was at was just like
read the book.
(13:46):
And then the second flightschool I was at was Sporties and
the CFIs were required to sitwith me in a classroom and I
remember my CFI drawing systemson the board.
He fully drew a diagram of theengines.
Like never at any point was itlike oh go, do King schools or
(14:07):
whatever.
It was never like that.
It was.
I mean, each one had their ownstyle, had their own flair.
But I mean I did go and get myAGI.
I feel like it's worthwhile tosay because maybe people could
relate to this.
I'm sure is I had to stop mytraining in the middle.
I mean flying is not somethingthat's feasible to do in one
(14:28):
straight shot, whether it'sexpenses or timing or life that
gets in the way.
Like I had to stop flying And Isaid I don't wanna totally give
it up.
So what else can I do?
And studying on my own time andI had to learn the material
anyway.
you know And I have a teachingdegree already I didn't have to
take the FOI, the Fundamentalsof Instruction.
(14:50):
Usually it's two tests It's anAGI and an FOI.
So I didn't have to take theFundamentals of Instruction test
.
it was just an AGI test.
So I was able to stay in it andstay involved and stay around
aviation and around the flightschool And I even talked ground
for a little bit.
I was able to stay in andaround and be relevant even
though I wasn't necessarilyflying.
(15:11):
So I think that's important too, because you know, use it or
lose it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah for sure.
Being part of the community, Ithink, is really important, And
then being involved in it eventeaching as a student is an
excellent way to remain present.
Just being around the FBO orthe school or whatnot, that's
awesome.
So how did your ground schooltraining go, Jared?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You were gonna say something.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, i can kind of relate to that.
Some of the ground schools.
the first flight school that Iwent to, it was almost required
that you went to theirparticular ground school, and I
mentioned that I was enrolled inthree different ground schools
the Sporties, the Kings and theGleam-Glyme, however you
pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Gleam-Glyme.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Gleam-Glyme exactly, And they kind of basically said
if you're not enrolled in ours,we don't care, And so that was
one of the reasons fortransitioning to a different
school.
So I had a similar experienceand I moved schools and it was
very helpful And I moved to thenext school that I was currently
(16:26):
earned my certificates at andthey offered me every resource
available And it made itincredibly, incredibly
comfortable for earning both theprivate and the instrument and
working on commercial.
Now I have my commercial ratingon the 30th and see a file on
the 31st of July, so we'regetting there, but it's really
(16:52):
important to be there for yourstudents and what you offer as a
school, and that's somethingthat I answer a lot of calls for
.
The flight school that wepartner with, and that's the
number one question is what doyou recommend?
How do you do this?
How do you proceed with yourtraining?
(17:15):
And we recommend sporties.
We recommend anything that isbest for the student, so it was
very beneficial.
All those different types oflearning.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Confirming these are all part 61s right.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Right.
I think that's important to saytoo, because there's the 141
option that none of us have gonethrough right?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yes, I have not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, I was curious if Jared was gonna go through a
141 with some of the curriculumlaid out in terms of sticking to
certain modules, but then yeah,so that important distinction
for new students coming in.
There's two different types ofschools, more or less a less
formal approach.
There's a part 61 where youkind of go through and do what
(17:59):
you need to do to get thecertificate complete, and
there's more formal training.
It typically is meant andreserved for future airline
pilots, called 141.
And they're trying to get youthrough certain stages And
there's certain elements andbenefits by going through that
141 style school.
That gets you more opportunitiesdown the stream where you can
(18:23):
get certain ratings andcertificates sooner And
unfortunately they're a bit morestrict with how they formalize
their lesson plans and thingsaround that.
But if you have a family and abit more informally I think all
of us have children at the pointwhen we're training, either our
initial certificates or throughadditional added certificates,
(18:47):
it's something like the familytime and other work constraints
to pay for this wholecertificate.
That makes part 61 a bit moremanageable, whereas 141, if
you're a younger kid that isfunded in such a way that you
can get out there and go from Ato Z and knock out a rating like
there's certain schools, likeATP, that are well known for
(19:10):
really setting you up to becomean airline pilot and a CFI, if
anything, in a couple months.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So there are previous episodes of this podcast.
They say it's like drinkingwater from a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Water from a fire hose is exactly that.
So you have to be set up as astudent in that mindset where
you're there to learn and takeit in and work hard at it.
I don't think you can afford asmany distractions as you can
with a part 61, but especiallyhaving full-time career and or
family.
I found it really important forme early on when I started.
(19:44):
I started ground school inperson.
I wanted to hear what peoplehad to say and the questions
that came to mind from othersthings I wasn't thinking about.
So I went through kind of asemi-formal ground school
locally and it was twice a week,a couple hours a day, a night
early, and so that was brought.
Three months of training overthe course of time And we
(20:06):
eventually got to the pointwhere we're doing the mock
written test And that reallyprepared me in that case for the
real thing later, when I wentthrough and started to apply
those theories into practicewith some of those, like I said,
ground-based maneuvers Solooking at flying from these
books but then starting to putthem into practice when we're
(20:27):
out there And oh, this is whatwe were talking about Some of
those fundamentals ofaerodynamics, all these
aeronautical decision-making,all these things you read about
and starting to realize, likehow important fuel management
and planning, specifically whenyou're on your 10 hours of solo
(20:48):
flights private pilot studentAnd when you're doing your first
long solo cross country as thefirst time you'll remember your
first solo Like vividly, butthat's the long solo cross
country.
When you now have to go do thisand you're by yourself Going
hundreds of miles away, thatthat's.
It's not necessarily a scarymoment.
(21:09):
It's very sobering in the waythat, yeah, i need to monitor
the fuel and I need all thesethings that I was taught.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Now It's time to put into practice And and a product
that maybe that may be a littlebit different in your area,
because I just went to Abilene.
You have I 30 West, yeah, andyeah, it's no problem.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, so in my area up in the Seattle area, we have
terrain, we have water, we havecertain.
I think it's easier to tonavigate because there are some
very iconic landmarks from thatand it's easy to keep north,
south, really easy.
But there's definitely distanceand stretches of time where
you're out there on your own andIt's definitely one of those
(21:54):
moments.
I think that Finding the rightinstructor that's competent and
you're comfortable with early onso that you're Feeling fully
prepared in those moments asyou're moving through all the
different stages and Milestonesas a new student into a soon to
be private pilot applicant, ithe device I was given and I
(22:17):
kind of understood as I've gonethrough all of my ratings as I
progress.
More life experience is totreat some of these Instructors
kind of like a job interview sothat you know, do you have a
good mesh fit and you don't haveto necessarily take that
instructor that was given to youInitially and just kind of, you
know, go meet up with theminformally before any of the
(22:39):
lessons begin and just haveconversation and kind of explain
your, your current scenario andWhat your goals are and do you
want to be an airline pilot Orjust here for fun because you,
you know, saw some really coolclips on Instagram.
Also, i think important to knowif your instructor wants to be
an airline pilot, so they're notgoing through their students
(23:00):
really quickly and pushingthrough Into their at their
advancement in their career,where they leave you behind.
I've had that happen twicewhere I've had instructor leave
early and It was kind of abummer because I agreed with
their teaching style.
We had a certain vibe that wasfun and it was fun to be
learning and engaging with.
(23:21):
All these Kind of comicalmoments were just your shoulder,
shoulder or someone for atleast 40 hours.
You better have a good rapportwith them and so having that
Disappointment of having to findsomeone new Every time that
would happen was always a bit ofa challenge and I feel like I
lucked out with people I end upflying with over course of time
(23:42):
all across different categoriesand classes.
But Often some people may beassigned to an instructor and
you just don't mesh well at all.
So don't accept that instructorright away because They were
assigned to you by someone inadministration at the flight
school.
But go have a conversation withthem, have coffee or whatever
(24:03):
your persuasion, and just talkabout your mutual goals.
I think it was really important.
Every time I've met a newinstructor is just kind of feel
that vibe and luckily, like Isaid, i've I've come across.
Majority of the people I'veflown with have been awesome,
but there have been a fewoutliers that just You know.
(24:24):
I was happy to not have to flywith them again.
So and then being realisticabout that, but not accepting
same personality differenceBecause you know you might not
mesh well with them who knowshow people perceive you?
And especially when you're anew student and you're nervous
and you're unfamiliar with howthese g forces, the sights and
the smells, all the, all thesethings are becoming normalized
(24:46):
and you have a cadence offiguring out what This is like,
you know, and then you factor inweather and turbulence and how.
How are you with doing stalls?
And then it's a little bitgusty out there because I know a
instructor and locally that isnot a fan of stalls at all.
That's a pretty important partof the initial student pilot
(25:07):
training or trying to get stallawareness things regarding you
know the tactile feel.
All these chain, the chain ofevents that lead up to A stall
and hopefully not a spin tryingto identify that stall lesson.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, there's everyone.
I think everyone has their,their, their stall that they'll
(25:28):
remember forever.
They just let it go too far, orUm, you know, the weather was
just miserable.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Jared's like no.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.
So you want to make sure thatyou know, as an instructor,
you're not leaving studentsterrified, but as a student,
that you feel like you havesomeone on your side that will
help guide you to thosesolutions that don't involve
Hitting anything.
So, because you're going to bein certain scenarios where you
you are beyond the threshold ofyour understanding of what's
(25:59):
happening and they're They'regoing to have the controls taken
back from the instructor to theinstructor, from you and being
confident in in that person tobe able to save the ship.
And And let's start this over,i think is a good that rapport
that you're looking for for thestudent and the instructor and
so early on, um, just to kind ofidentify that you Are good to
(26:23):
go with this person or like,yeah, let's you know, basically,
have no shame in trying to findsomeone else that maybe is a
better fit for you.
It could be an age relatedthing.
You're just not vibing on thator other factors where they are
on a mission to just knock outthese ratings and then not
necessarily custom tailoringtheir lessons to what you need,
especially in part 61.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
As a female pilot.
This is a thing like you'regonna be shoulder to shoulder
with an instructor.
I mean, it's not a secret thatthe majority of aviators are men
, right?
It's a weird thing like I.
It took me a while to figureout that I, um, like I, i
preferred like a kid.
I wanted, like a 21 year oldkid that.
(27:07):
You know it was very like.
He was fresh out of his 141 andYou know, i looked at him as
like because I mean, i'm in my30s.
I looked at him as a child, helooked me as an old lady and it
was the exact, perfect match forme.
You know, like I thinkObviously, like being a female
is a big, a big thing too, andit also depends on what, what
(27:30):
you're in it for and what you'relooking for.
Like, some people are in it toget their private pilot's
license, some people want to goand get their instruments and
people want to be professionalpilots.
Some people are just flying outof you know, as a hobby,
they're taking lessons just forfun.
So maybe you don't want aninstructor, that's as serious.
You want somebody that's morelike a friend, somebody who you
can really joke around with Andhang out with, and you know,
(27:52):
obviously you're paying them,but it's it's for the fun of it.
Like you know somebody, let'ssay, can't get a medical and is
like I'm just gonna have her fun, right and then.
So it really all depends on onwhere you're at and what you are
personally comfortable with.
And You know, like the secondschool that I went to, the one
that used the sport iscurriculum, was very, very
serious.
And I was like, guys, i'm in itright now as a hobby, i'm not
(28:14):
really looking to to get alicense at the at the moment.
And they were like that's weird, let me go ask the chief pilot
if we can see you.
And I was like okay, you know,like I thought you would just
take my like, take my money andbe okay with it.
And they were like no, we run avery serious program here, man,
you know, and uh, it just itwasn't, it wasn't the right, the
right fit for me.
So, um, i think it reallydepends on where you are in your
(28:37):
flying career, what yourintentions are and You know who
you are.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Like I said, being a female aviator is is a thing you
know regionally, i I wonder, ifI don't know how it is
differently for uh per new yorkor texas or seattle, but if it
differs regionally.
That initial contact call, oh,what, what is your end goal here
(29:03):
?
Are you looking to get aprivate?
Are you looking to get acommercial?
Are you looking to be airlineor atp?
um, what, what is yourbackground?
and I feel like a lot of thatcan play into that.
I that training, that initialsetup, that initial contact, and
I've taken a lot of those callsand And it's been eye-opening,
(29:24):
it really has of.
Well, i've, i'm a flightattendant and I'm looking My, my
buddy said I need to gettraining for to be a pilot.
Why not?
You know some so-and-so worksfor american airlines or
southwest and This is a greattime to be a pilot.
Okay, well, this is uh Theinformation needed.
(29:45):
Is is really important to Uhhow the training progresses and
that that initial uh Aspect ofwhat you're wanting to do.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, you guys want a funny story.
When I was a ground instructor,um, i had to have the same
conversations with people, right, like what is, what's your
Goals, what's the end game?
and, um, i had a student whosaid, um, i want to Take a plane
And I want to triangulate theearth in a single Yep Mm-hmm, in
(30:25):
a, in a single prop Engine,whatever I want to be able to
prove that the earth Is flat.
And I was like, um, i'm notsure that I can Help you with
that, but I can help you getpast your written.
(30:49):
I was like, i guess, i guess,if this is how this is is gonna
go.
I was like, what he's?
like, i'm still in my Sh whatdo you call it?
a vehicle selection phase.
And, um, considering anairplane, i, i may, i may end up
on a boat or I may end up in avehicle that's not Created yet.
(31:11):
Um, i said, okay, well, um,like I didn't know what to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, it is like a giant real life theme.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It was.
So I was like um, okay, i guesswe'll start with navigation.
Then I like, i don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I heard some advice about people that don't believe
in the moon landing.
And uh, you believe in the moonlanding.
You believe in the moon In themoon well, what's wrong with you
?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well, you know, kind of going back to, uh, the topic
of flights, uh, your initialflight school, um, one of the
first things that when you getinto aviation and you and you
start flying and and you makethe decision to do Flight
training, right, i had aninitial interview and the first
(31:59):
thing it was told to me wasaviation is not a poor man's
game, and I Didn't know how totake that.
I didn't know if that was asizing me up kind of thing, if
that was a Quantifying the buyeraspect.
And you know, we have such ademographic now, from young
(32:22):
individuals to older individuals.
Shout out to Joseph Croft on PG, making a transition, wants to
fly King airs.
You know that's a, that's a,that's a great Change.
He, he doesn't want to gocommercial or he doesn't want to
go to the airlines or 121.
It's for everybody and it'sit's welcoming.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
It's.
It's a challenging thing toIntroduce something like that to
a buyer.
I Don't.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that is unfortunately an honest self
evaluation, like you can kind ofexpand this over time.
But can I afford this?
fundamentally, i think there'sdifferent aspects about how you
can make that happen and that'sa lot of personal choices and
impacts in terms of You know,your, your life scenario,
especially if you have a family.
I would argue that most peoplewould prioritize their family
(33:21):
over flying, but there'sdefinitely opportunities when
you don't have a family to spendmore money and time with your
flying as a solo aspect, soloeffort really, and That devotion
.
I saw especially a youngerfriend of mine who was in his
younger 20s doing the ATP 141.
That was his entire life andthey're all ours practically,
(33:43):
you know, and the course, shortcourse of time, within six
months, i just remember.
Also Very not long after hisgraduation from that whole
program He was in jets for realand so it's amazing if you don't
have some of those obligationsof some of the rest of us have
(34:03):
with being a Family person.
I I happened to come across likea scenario before I had kids
that I was flying a lot andSuddenly found out that we're
gonna have twin daughters bornand that honestly put the brakes
On for five solid years of allof my hobbies until I've got
that sorted out and then hit itagain really hard And within the
(34:27):
matter of a few years Afterthat I was having flown more
than ever and knocked outseveral ratings, including a
helicopter, which is great.
So the girls kind of grew up,the young girls grew up with
helicopters in their lives forStended amount of time or they
didn't know any different.
It was kind of funny havingthat change in my lifestyle from
(34:48):
being Effectively like abachelor mode into being a
parent and then being thisStudent pilot all the way
through to multiple categoriesand classes, and that was really
a fixture of my life at thatpoint was continuing to be High
priority with my children andbeing an excellent parent, but
(35:09):
like being really into aviation.
When things started to get more, some certain life changes
happened for me in terms of mycareer when I made a bit more
easy to continue to fly more ona regular basis.
And so you know, still have tohave that cadence and find that
that amount They're willing toSacrifice from one or another
(35:29):
out of these different bucketsyou have.
But I know that's a good pointbeing present for your family
and throughout the whole Portionof any of this is definitely
really important to me.
But some some have betteropportunities to find that
priority in in timing thanothers and, yeah, i felt pretty
lucky that it's worked out forme thus far And the girls have
(35:53):
grown up in a unique kind ofaviation environment but I'm
still around with them and I've,through their entire elementary
school career I got to go onevery single fill trip and every
every event that was evenpossible to go on and so, in
other words, you start to feellike you're spreading yourself
(36:16):
out quite a bit, because in theinvolvement in training and
aviation requires a lot ofmental fortitude and in practice
and Talking, just being aroundthe community.
You can't just arrive and drive.
You really have to be a part ofsomething.
So showing up to the, theflight school after hours and
just flying other people beingpart of that whole Environment
(36:41):
and saturating some of theirknowledge and some of their, so
like the hangar talk, all thethings that aren't involved with
you flying physically But justbeing there mentally is really
important aspect of, i think,succeeding.
And in the wholesome, lee, andthat's kind of where I found
this podcast, for example, iwanted some stupid, dry content
and then found this hilariousset of characters in the yard.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, so in between, why else would you look for far
aim?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's insane.
So like trying to, they'llflood, fill those gaps between,
like driving from home to theflight school or commuting to
work and then just listening,being part of Something.
Even if you never meet us inperson, you'll hear some of our
stories and Rob Lee and Scott,all these things.
It just you start to balanceyour own application of of time
(37:31):
from what, what people have doneand Learned from and remain
mistakes from, and start tofigure out where you are with
these, yeah, opportunities.
So everyone has a differentpath and journey that they can
follow and and and.
None Are the correct ones, butthe ones have worked out well
for others.
In other words, go explore,have fun should be fun.
(37:55):
If you're not having fun, maybetalk to some other instructors.
Yeah, and it is expensive, butthere's certain ways to.
You know you the light sportand there's a sport pilot.
There's other ways to kind ofget involved in aviation, but
not fully commit, but I wasthinking about that recently.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, and so it is.
It isn't as it isn't.
You know, if you think aboutthere's so many programs out
there, they can get kidsintroduced.
I mean, around here in the DFWarea There are so many programs
that are aviation centric and Weare really grateful for them,
and it's a focus on the tradesas well.
(38:33):
As you know, higher educationand so Aviation is, is kind of
the forerunner here in our area.
Personally, i'm sure it is iny'all's area because it is so
prevalent, but There are aspectsto get into it easily,
(38:53):
affordably, and I just We justwant that to be known.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
One of my flight schools one of them, one of the
three is on Groupon and you canbuy like three hours for like so
much cheaper.
It's worth looking at for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
So you it's like elaboraterules, you stack on the group on
the, do your entire flighttraining through Groupon and
That's actually how I got intohelicopters.
I have a bunch of friends thatare rotorcraft pilots and it was
always something I wanted to doand something I had in my mind
and there was a group on for Ithink it's just a half hour
intro flight And Robinson, andthen that's how I got my start
(39:31):
and then before I knew it I wasflying primarily helicopters for
a couple of years doingridiculous things with these
things.
You know That I never thoughtas a fixed-wing pilot I ever
been involved with and outpicking up cones and fields and
knocking them over for fun and,you know, landing in the woods
and Trading altitude forairspeed off of cliffs, kind of
(39:55):
like a roller coaster, and calmdown, it's a sinking rock.
We're hovering like at the Cliffand just like push that nose
for it again in Robinson.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
It's shaped like a rock with a stick attached.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
No, I'm with you.
I'm with you, barb.
It's a way.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And I had that even a .
Thing that mindset you'd donein the past.
I'm like I'm not doing that andI did my intro flight and
changed my life.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Did you get your face swing before your rotorcraft?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, fun fact actually I was
born in 1993.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Went to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Why?
what's the?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
pilot Ground school in 1995.
So I was in fifth grade and myparents bought me the full
Ground school experience.
So when I was, like I think, 10years old, so I was in there,
the bunch of 40 year olds and I,you know I didn't do as well in
terms of like the mock test,but that's how committed I have
(41:02):
been to aviation back.
I started flight school back inthe 90s and I was born in the
80s.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I, you know, took some time, having gone through
middle school, high school,finding a career that could
support some of this and then,back in the late 2000s, actually
started my own as a real dealeffort as an adult before kids.
And then I started, yeah, fixedwing right here out of just a
really small, not really smallairport but a un-controlled
(41:31):
field, and Eventually finishedbasically my first private pilot
certificate at a class Deltanext to basically the Boeing
factory.
So we've had these heavies,twin-owl heavies, mixed it up in
this 72, yeah, and the bestpart is like when you're short
final somewhere and there's a747 waiting for you.
(41:51):
So gosh, opportunities likethat.
And Yeah, so mixed Friday.
And then same thing with thehelicopter training, same
Painfield Airport, flying againfrom the ramp directly because
taxiways are for for losers.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
So to rock on a step.
I.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Love the hate.
You know, one of my bestmemories was getting my private
license, was coming into acontrol field and North Fort
Worth and It has a joiningrunways, parallel runways, and
the the left runway had.
I have 10 miles to go andThere's an FA 18 coming in and
(42:39):
he parallels me and getting toland with a Navy aircraft
because the there's a joint base, a joint reserve base, just
nearby.
Getting the land side by sidewith that was Such a memorable
experience and it's just those,those memories that you get
(42:59):
through your training.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I hope everybody gets them If you ever wanted to fly
with F-18s, you should justsquawk 7500, call it a day or
not 75.
What is it?
77?
No, it's 75, 75.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, July 4th is coming up,
so Yeah, it's amazing.
It's America, america, everyfireworks.
So that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I love that.
You know, there was just and Iguess it wasn't even an incident
, it was an accident we coulddiscuss.
That happened with the was itF-16s that were flying alongside
Yeah, Washington DC.
Yeah, the citation, i believe Iepoxy it.
Yeah, yeah, that's a bad deal.
That's terrifying.
(43:45):
It's not even the first timesomething like that happened,
you know.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
No, the supersonic boom was heard over multiple
states, including ours.
Wow, There were noisecomplaints of why there was a
supersonic boom and was it aproblem.
So that was the reason.
From that specific incident.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
You heard the sonic boom over Texas.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Personally I did not hear it, but the multiple
reports did.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Rumor is it was just Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yes, By the way.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Taco Bell has a breakfast taco sponsored by.
Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Imagine That's funny.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, but why Right?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, that is a very memorable experience.
I mean to be up there like thatwith fighter jets.
That's not even that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, isn't that cool landing in parallel runways If
you're a poor support set.
I've had so many memories offlying alongside with the 777
and their massive birds Andthere's a moment where you're
kind of flying alongside eachother, even though you're going
at different air speeds.
There's just that moment whereyou're kind of almost holding
hands and you're like, yeah,we're doing it like well, wolf
(45:03):
pack.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
We're the same.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, yeah, same thing, and the reality is that
those guys started in Cessna's 2conceivably and or piper.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Absolutely.
Even those fighter jet pilotsstarted out in little hot plants
.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Something piston related probably, but that's the
funny thing about thehelicopter world is that there
are many rich kids that jumpedright and deterred in
helicopters and skipped all theRobinson's And so and, or they
went into the military And sothey don't have some of the
struggles of the poor kids likeme and the Robinson's.
(45:39):
I enjoy the Robinson's but theyget so much flak from the rich
kids that started in like Bellsor even like Blackhawks.
So yeah, it's funny All thedifferent perspectives.
Like I know someone thatstarted flying initially in
Cirrus aircraft and it's verynice airplane.
(45:59):
I have a few hours in them andreally would enjoy to own one,
fundamentally as an ownerdownstream, but I don't know the
certain things.
That almost feels like youshould pay your dues and some
crappy airplane and work yourway up.
But why not have like thisreally sweet airplane to learn
to fly in?
But then there's argument likethe Cubs or the Champs no
(46:23):
electrical, no flaps, all that,the hand prop.
Where do you start?
Like what's reasonable to gothrough that suffrage on,
because everything's for flightand all this glass panel stuff
and navigating all theinformation before your
fingertips doesn't suck Like whyshould you go through?
(46:44):
Why do we still have E6Bs.
I know there's stillfundamental learnings from that
that we need to teach newstudents.
But finding that balance ofback to the flight school aspect
of that flight planning withpaper charts, e6bs like how deep
into it do you want to go withthat and your instructor?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And then I know that I have to tell you Now go ahead,
you continue.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Because I heard that they're allowing more for-flight
now, because this before I wasflying in private pilot
for-flight wasn't a thing And soI had to do those paper charts,
those E6Bs.
And then my neighbor islearning as a student and has
for-flight And I would juststick to the charts for now.
So at least not thatrealistically when the iPad
failed probably not, but itcould.
(47:30):
But just having a betterunderstanding of where those
for-flight and all the otherapps are coming from, i think
it's great, but not just to makethis whole experience suck.
But are we going to move tothat point where everything is
electronic and we don't havethose paper charts anymore?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
So, yeah, i think that I can speak to this even as
a teacher.
As an educator, my backgroundis in education.
I mean, i taught third andfourth grade for 10 years.
You learn a lot of thefundamentals in those years,
right, you learn whatmultiplication is, you learn how
to add and regroup or whateverit is.
And it's like the same argumentcould be made.
It's like, well, how come youdon't just start with a
(48:11):
calculator?
The whole idea is that youunderstand fundamentally, just
like you said Tyler, youunderstand fundamentally what's
going on and what conceptuallyis happening.
What am I really doing here?
If I take 52 and add 47 orwhatever, and you actually take
52 little chips and 47 littlechips and you add them together
(48:34):
and you physically reallymanipulated and understand that
you have a better conceptualidea of what is going on.
And as opposed to if you justplugged it into a calculator and
you learned just how to plug itinto a calculator.
So I think that's the ideabehind using the paper charts
and behind using the E6B.
The E6B is a take on theoriginal slide rule.
(48:57):
I mean they sent men to themoon using a slide rule.
It wasn't a calculator.
So I think the idea behindusing those.
Like I said, the low tech isreally not.
I mean, yes, you could use itin case of an emergency, if
everything fails, but you reallyshould have a solid foundation
and a conceptual understandingof what you're doing.
(49:20):
If you're going to be in such ahigh stakes world like the sky,
you should really know what'sup.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, on the fly, making adjustments in those
scenarios where something is offscript and typically we're out
flying around and you startengaging in the air traffic
control, there's typically thescript that you kind of expect
and things are going through themotions.
And when that script changes,how are you going to adapt?
And that's where I think I finda flight instructor that is
(49:51):
going to throw you somescenarios they weren't prepared
for early on midterm and thenlater into your flying.
Training for private inparticular, is going to really
set you up to be thinking morecritically about all the aspects
of flight, in terms of thepre-flight all the way to the
end and then debriefing.
(50:11):
So having that fundamentalknowledge of math helps.
But why?
I like to ask a lot of why?
questions Like why are weconcerned about this?
And a lot of these regulationswe have, for part 91 particular,
are written in blood becausesomeone did something stupid and
(50:35):
then died because of it And solet's fix that problem.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
We are the Farium Podcast.
Yeah, we mentioned it once inepisode.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
So I recommend anyone getting into this to definitely
ask why, rather than justaccepting these as facts, and
not to challenge or question thesystem, but just to understand
more in depth why.
That is a concern Like why dowe ground the airplane before we
fuel it And then do you grounda Cirrus?
(51:08):
that's a composite aircraft.
So some of those you get deeperdives into that in terms of all
the different considerationsfor retractable landing gear
versus fixed landing gear andsome of the things you're
looking at as you start toexpand your aviation career from
this trainer Cessna all the wayup through a jet.
There's a lot of applicationsof some of that similar logic.
(51:30):
But understanding that why willthen kind of change
contextually depending on thetype of airframe, category of
class you're flying.
And I did an episode almost ayear ago or about a year ago on
sea planes and some of thatinvolvement in water totally
changed, reframed all the thingsI considered pre-flighting just
(51:53):
ground-based aircraft suddenlyhave water to deal with, and how
and why.
Why is this important?
Why are there springs on thiswater rudder?
In case something gets jammedyou can help free it, and things
you didn't necessarily consider.
Because you're going to gothrough the different scenarios
(52:13):
each flight you fly, buteventually you kind of evolve
and go through different flightschools, different instructors,
different types of aircraft.
You'll go from the Cessnas tothe Pipers to the Cirrus And
hopefully everyone experienced ajet or a helicopter But those
things that are differentsuddenly is a learning moment
And then I feel just verystrongly that a good instructor
(52:36):
early on will have you askingthose questions and exploring
and not just accepting what youhave in front of you is what it
is.
So I think the acquisitivepilots are great pilots that
learn and adapt from that andcontinue.
So what are your goals forflying now, barb?
(52:57):
you've been around a bit.
Continue just building hoursand enjoying that.
Or what's up for 2023?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
It's well, 2023 is almost half over, which is crazy
town Right.
But you know what's amazing.
So I mean I really do fly outof a hobby.
It's not a job, It's not acareer for me.
I do it because I enjoy it AndI'm not necessarily pursuing
anything serious.
But what's been nice is accessto new people and a supportive
(53:32):
aviation community, Becauseinitially it was just me and a
CFI And I have to find somebody.
That's sort of like I said,agreed with the idea that I
wasn't maybe going to take my,going to do a check ride or
whatever it was Like.
I needed someone who waswilling to just fly with me.
And now that I have access to awider aviation community, I
(53:56):
mean I'm flying with friends.
I'm flying with differentpeople.
I'm meeting all kinds of peoplefrom this flight school, from
that flight school, People whoare totally different ages than
I am.
I mean it's been amazing.
So just having the opportunityto fly with people I consider
friends is a totally differentexperience, And so that's really
where I am And I'm enjoyingevery second of it.
(54:18):
Again, there's nothing betterthan leaving the grounds.
It makes me feel so grounded,So it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's awesome.
I love seeing the evolution ofpeople getting involved.
So, jared, when we met, it wasat Precash in Ohio in July, so
it's almost a year anniversarybetween us, so almost So.
Basically, you had just gottenyour private pilot and you flew
all the way from Texas up toOhio And I remember this
(54:48):
Famously with the rudder trimout of trim.
So since then, More left rudder.
Since then.
You were a pretty new privatepilot at the time And you've
pushed through multiple ratingssince then.
In less than a year It soundslike you're involved in a flight
school and you're in thecommunity.
You're kind of getting outthere with other people flying
(55:10):
often And I see you with a lotof updates on Facebook and all
other social media.
How's that going?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
You know it's really going well Since being at
Precash and the entireexperience there was just
incredible.
I wish it was every year.
Come on, Rob, Come on Rob.
I'm just saying No flying.
We actually decided to partnerup and purchase a bunch of
(55:41):
airplanes and lease them to aflight school And so they're in
training.
So learning so much about theflight training model, as well
as the ownership model and themaintenance and having just a
really above bar maintenance,it's challenging, It really is.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's a big deal, though.
I left a flight school becauseof maintenance.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
That is one reason why so many people come to us.
That's one reason why I leftone of the flight schools that I
originally trained for.
But it's just the journey, thegrind and talking with everybody
that you do coming into aflight school.
it makes it really worthwhilewhere they're coming from, why
(56:29):
they're doing what they're doing, why they chose aviation.
and then being there for thatfirst solo, being there for that
check ride, that congratulatory.
on Friday we just congratulateda partner for his CFI initial.
It's just seeing that absolute,just exhaustion from a 10-hour
(56:54):
check ride and knowing it's justpure joy on his face and seeing
how much he's worked for it inthe process of going through it
Every single bit, from privateto CFI, to CFI, cfi it's amazing
, it really is.
I wish everybody could see theback-end side of it.
(57:16):
I can't emphasize it enough.
I really can't.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Isn't that crazy journey, like I said, from about
a year ago where you were towhere you are now, and then all
the prospects you have ahead ofyou, especially as an aircraft
owner.
You start to see those aircraftthat you have part ownership in
helping and create thosememories and it starts to build
that community.
Being part of that community,you're involved in it more often
(57:44):
and it's this reciprocal thingthat I feel like.
Ever since I got mycertificates in different
categories and classes, i'vespent more time in those just as
a participant in some flyingevent.
Rather than paying per hour togo experience it, you just get
invited into the club and thenyou are then in that scenario
(58:09):
where I was in this Airbushelicopters, like a six-seater
helicopters, awesome just flyingaround that we do like a
20-minute thing.
It was like eight hours offlying and it cost me $0.00.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Awesome, i ended up in an F-35 sim.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, yeah, so you have We need to talk about that.
Yeah, so you have thesedifferent things, that when you
start getting involved inaviation they start to come out
of the wallpaper essentially,and it costs you nothing versus
that initial investment seemslike so much like I can't afford
this.
You get in that community andall of a sudden these
opportunities jump out at youand you can get more flying time
(58:44):
, just as a passenger.
At least You see some of thesedifferent scenarios, all these
different types of airplanes andsimulators Then.
So Barb recently engaged with,there's a really cool F-35 sim
out in the New York City area.
Let's talk about that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Hey everybody.
Robert here without access to aproper microphone, so I give a
huge thank you to Barb, tylerand Jared for helping us out
here while Scott Lee and I areout.
I'm going to divide this upinto two different shows,
because we have an hour righthere and there's almost another
(59:27):
hour that can be a standaloneepisode about simulators.
So that's what I'm going to do.
We cut it off here and we aregoing to continue this in
episode 136.
So stay tuned.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you again, tyler, jaredand Barb for doing this.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Just kind of get a feel for it.
So this is it.
Hi, rob, it's 512 or 812 yourtime, so set a timer for about
an hour and then see what'sgoing on.
So how was everyone's Sunday?
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Jared, you can go first.
I heard it was really warmwhere you were.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Well, it was very warm.
I am a bit of a red lobster, sodo you have a pool, or a pool
near you, pool near us?
My in-laws live in our sameneighborhood and so we are
grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I hear that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
How's the smoke?
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
in New York.
It's not as bad anymore.
It really smelled awful and itwas bright orange.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
The other day, Like burnt maple syrup.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Oh my gosh crazy.
It was like but it wasn't 9-11vibes.
It smelled like a fireplace SoI didn't mind it as much, but we
were outside today, sohopefully the air is okay.
Do you have a garage?
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
that you leave your cars in or out of, because we
had those Canadian wildfires acouple years ago and all the ash
left on the cars was kind ofacidic to the paint and so we're
really concerned about all that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Wow, we do have a garage, but my husband keeps his
car in there because it's aTesla and he needs to charge it,
so he gets the garage.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, i know, be careful, because you get that
ash wet and it can create someother problems for the paint too
and kind of eats away the clearcoat and all that.
So be very careful because it'svery sharp So welcome to Car
Facts, yeah.
It's a concern Like we have halfthe cars in garages and the
other ones outside and thenthose poor bastards you know
(01:01:45):
have to deal with the ash andwhatnot from the Canadian
wildfire.
So we occasionally havewildfires here in our area.
In fact last time Jared was inmy area he had to deal with that
flying around in.
that was very nasty, horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Do you wear a mask when it happens?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
You know, the first time it really really happened
was in the 2020 era.
So, kind of by default, thiswhole area was wearing that in
general, but then augmented withthe actual risk of inhalation
of like actual ash particles.
It was just like a war zone outhere, so it was pretty gnarly.
(01:02:24):
Ultimately, you know, theadvice is just to stay inside,
best you do.
There's only so much filtrationyour filter will do from the
furnace, so you have to be ontop of that, and it was gross,
after just like a week changingout the furnace filter, knowing
that that was still like goingthrough our house.
And, yeah, unfortunately, thispart of the world, it seems like
(01:02:44):
it's going to be an annualevent.
It's unusual that the EastCoast gets it this early and, if
at all, so, yeah, we're prettymuch due for our own wildfires
here soon in the Seattle area,and it extends all the way down
to Oregon.
And what now?
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
So there were tons of New Yorkers in masks, like
given New Yorker a reason towear one, and they're like yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, i saw the.
Instagram story, the.
It's probably similar in theSeattle area that definitely the
portion of Seattle area I livein is more rural and people are
definitely over it.
So, yeah, so, reminding Barb toJared, make sure you put your
phone away from your table oranything that vibrates, so that
(01:03:30):
if you get a text in between anyof this it doesn't get into the
recording.
I did that during my seaplaneepisode and I heard it and I was
.
I couldn't do anything about it.
I thought it was far away, so Iput it on like a pillow over
there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
So it's out of the way It's on the carpet next to
me.
Listen, I can't guarantee thatthere is not a one year old baby
girl.
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
We are possibly screaming outside, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
So if you can't hear that right now, we heard it
earlier when you had differentaudio source.
I think that Mike does a prettygood job of getting that dialed
out, so it's good.
I'm grateful Otherwise we're,you know, a team 135.
So our lack of precision isdesirable.
So I I'll just start doing anopening and I presume that Rob
(01:04:17):
will do some kind of audio introas well, and we'll go from
there.
I'll just open it up and thenyou guys can introduce
yourselves by name and thenwe'll go from there.
So, all right, here we go.
Sounds great, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Ready, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Cool Ready.
Welcome to the Far Aim podcast.
I'm Tyler Brunkhorst Farborsatn.
Let's do it again, all right,all right.
Welcome to the Far Aim podcast.
I'm Tyler Brokehorse.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm Barbara Sutton.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I'm Jared Johnson .
This is a takeover.
This is episode 135.
We are former guests of theshow that have taken over the
show.
Rob Lee and Scott are out onvacation, I think somewhere
together in Florida.
We don't know where they are,But here we are And today we are
taking over this podcast andit's a demonstration of peer
(00:32):
pressure.
This original concept was justa funny idea in chat, and here
we are, the three of us takingover the Far Aim podcast, and so
today we are going to talkabout finding a flight school.
And how did we find our flightschools?
So the most recent entry intobeing a student pilot is Barb
(00:53):
You're out in New York, jared'sdown in Texas.
I'm up in Seattle.
I've been flying for over adecade, jared's somewhat new and
Barb's the freshest.
So let's start with you, barb.
Tell us a little bit about howyou found your way into aviation
.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I mentioned this on, i think, the podcast a
couple of weeks ago, so ifanybody hasn't heard that, it's
worth a listen.
I'm super good.
But no, seriously, i really itcame out of nowhere.
I'm the kind of person whereideas will pop into my head and
I'll be like I'm going to go dothis.
And it was exactly like thatwith aviation.
(01:29):
honestly, i started learningand reading about the Mercury 7
and the first test pilots backin the day of Chuck Yeager and
first breaking the sound barrierand like the jet AV, like jet
you know whatever, like therevolution essentially, and it
was really really cool andreading about it and
(01:51):
understanding like what role andpitch and y'all are.
It's very different when you'rephysically in an airplane and
when you're reading about it.
And so I sort of put the booksdown and I was like I'm going to
do this And I remember textingmy husband and being like I'm
going to go fly planes And hewas like, like you want to be a
pilot?
And I said no, i just want totake like a lesson, i want to
(02:13):
understand something.
It's just, don't worry about it, it's just a one time thing,
don't worry.
And he was like, okay, and Icalled up a flight school nearby
and I went for a discoveryflight and I loved it.
It was I mean, i'm sure thatyou guys can speak to this also
like that feeling of first, likeleaving the ground and watching
(02:36):
the runway underneath you, thatsight picture, staying on
centerline, you know just likethere's something amazing and
ironically so grounding to it.
Like I just felt like in orderto be grounded, i needed to be
in the sky And I it was amazingAnd I said I think I need to do
(02:57):
this more.
Like I distinctly remember notas much the flight but the
feeling afterward, like I was sopresent and so clear minded and
like all of a sudden,everything in my life was like
organized, i was able to getthings done.
Like it was just, it just feltso right.
So I continued taking lessonsat that school And ultimately
(03:22):
it's not the school I ended upat, but I mean I'm sure that
we'll, we'll, we'll get to it.
But that was definitely how Istarted and how I fell in love
with it.
So It's.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Discovery flights are the best way, the highest
recommendation I give to anyonethat's looking to get into
aviation even if they don't havethe funds for the full ticket,
at least go fly a discoveryflight with whatever flight
schools near you.
So they're a variety ofdifferent types of schools.
So, jared, how did you get intothat?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know it's a.
It's a good, it's a goodquestion.
I was actually having a reallytough week and I took my son out
to our local airport.
We live really close to a localmunicipal airport and we're
watching the approach of the air, the airplanes coming in, and
it just happens One of theflight school owners drove over,
(04:13):
opened his window and handed mea card and said you know, you
can take a flight if you like.
I said no, i don't think so.
My vision isn't, isn't goodenough to fly.
So he said no, if you havecorrect vision, you can.
So from there I said sign me up.
I bought the full SIM, i had afull setup, i had 40 to 50 hours
(04:34):
in an office before I took mydiscovery flight And after I
took the actual flight, it was,it was incredible, i was, i was
hooked.
So here we are.
Awesome, we're 200 hours down.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What was it about that flight that you liked so
much?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Goodness, you know, i didn't.
It wasn't clear to me that Iwas going to be on the controls
And so, being that I was goingto actually do some turns and
some coordination and andactually be on the controls for
landing pretty much throughthrough the flare and he took
(05:11):
over He it was.
That was probably the mostexciting aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, Isn't that, like Barb elaborated on the lack
of detail in in what you weredoing in the flight, but the
motions that you left with thatflight and the memories that you
made from that, all those, allthose details like just how, how
vibrant that memory is.
And there's certain milestones,as in your, your progression as
(05:39):
a pilot, from that firstdiscovery flight to soloing and
getting your your private ticketand each rating beyond their
all special moments in thatdiscovery flight is something
that is like the first timeyou've actually done that.
So, whatever experience you'vehad prior with simulations or
none at all, and how that meetsyour realities of you know where
(06:01):
you're expecting things.
And then the reality of this,the feeling of of the engine
vibrating and on on rollout totake off, and the first time you
pick up and the airplane getslight on the wheels, the smells,
all the things you weren'taccounting for.
Isn't that just something thatI remember the most about?
was just like the smell of theoil inside the, the flight deck
(06:27):
and all the things that justlittle micro details I wasn't
expecting and.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I guess yeah, yeah, 100 low lead, or sure.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We've had this discussion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Barb, don't you have acandle?
a hundred low lead candle?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I do.
I have a candle that smellslike a hundred low lead It
really smells like a hundred lowlead where I'm shocked at the
fact that, like I mean, it can'tbe right, guys, you can't make
a candle out of gasoline, right?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think it's real.
I could try Definitely.
You know Dr Physics back at theFarrain podcast.
So Scott, Scott, Boris infactory.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's very funny, But the truth is, i think it's, i
think it's a smell that that forme brings back, like you said,
that memory.
I think scent has memory in itand you smell it And for me it
brings me right back topreflight.
You know, i shoved the candlein my husband's face and he was
like it's like a urinal.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, It's likeit smells so good, i don't know
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, wholesomely like.
I thought that was a remarkablething about like all these
memories of the tactile feedbackof the aircraft, but those
smells and whatnot, how we canlatch onto those for memories
Like my.
my late grandpa had a certaincologne and smelling that almost
20 years later.
just happenstance, someone inthe mall had it and just
instantly felt like I was backwith him in the nineties And so
(07:50):
I have, I have a lot of thateclectic mix of smells from
aviation and primarily, justlike how Cessna smell, a little
bit different than like aserious manure leather.
All those things that weren'texpecting the discovery flight
but all of a sudden they're justwham, hitch you like a freight
train.
And those are the things Iremember some of the most about,
(08:11):
which I thought was reallyinteresting compared to having
spent hundreds and hundreds ofhours on flight simulators years
before and expecting, you know,just be staring at the
instruments and reality isespecially early on.
They really want you lookingoutside and feeling the aircraft
and experience The sightpicture and all the things that
are going on.
(08:32):
And you know, depending on ifyou have the David Clark a
shame's headsets, typicallythey're at the rental.
Those were the best.
The green ones, the very.
Yes, the outer cup is just coldor something, just you know,
compared to like a nice or a,nice or a nice or even the light
(08:52):
speeds.
You know the nice leather cup,that basically those David
Clarks you know.
You don't know what people aresaying in general And then you
also can't hear because theheadset sucks and because the
rental school, a rental headset,is just beat the heck.
So yeah that fun moments ofearly learning until you invest
in your own headset.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right.
So those little things are whatI was chasing when I, you know,
I read about these initial testpilots and what their site
picture is what they saw And Iwas like I need to under.
Like it's one thing to readabout it, right, It's one thing
to watch it or whatever, but toactually live and experience, it
was amazing.
It was like being in school andgoing on a field trip.
(09:35):
You know, it's real lifelearning, for me anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So, after your discovery flight, how'd you
start to transition to becominga student?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, like I said, when I do things, i do them 100%.
I go all in.
So I loved it.
I got the experience and I waslike I'm gonna, i'm gonna do
this.
And I bought the books, the bag, the headset, everything And I
started flying like two to threetimes a week And I was reading
(10:05):
the book And I was like you know, your, your CFI will tell you,
oh, next time you come in, makesure you have chapter three read
.
Like I read chapter three and Iwrote questions down in the
back of the book And I textedhim questions like throughout,
and he was like you had like,and he just wouldn't answer.
He was like this is you justasked me later, you know.
So I did, i went, i went all inAnd and it was great And as I,
(10:31):
i learned a little bit moreabout just aircrafts in general,
what I was really looking forin a pre-flight And in general,
like what I was looking for in aCFI, like I realized more and
more that the school that Iinitially had started with
wasn't the right thing for me.
You know, like I said, he waslike I'm sorry, i can't take
your questions, you know, and Iwas like I'm going to need
(10:52):
someone that can, like I reallywant to understand what's going
on.
I really want to be able todiscuss with you.
I want to, you know, i meanlisten, it's not going to happen
at hours of the night, but like, let's, let's just pick a time,
let's discuss over the like,over the phone, let's whatever.
Like, i'll like I'll pay you.
Well, it'll be a session orwhatever.
It is Like I needed to reallyunderstand and talk to someone
and, you know, not everybody'slearning styles match, so that,
(11:16):
plus the maintenance, i was likeI think I need to move
somewhere else.
And that was when I beganexploring a bunch of different
schools.
You know, everybody has theirown methodology and their own
way of doing things, and thesecond school I tried wasn't the
right one for me either, by theway, they did everything by a,
the sporty curriculum, i think,and it was very.
(11:38):
It was scripted almost likeeach lesson they would like
check off exactly whatbenchmarks we had met And you
know, we would go back tolessons and this and that, and I
wanted to enjoy it.
I wanted to move, i guess, atmy own pace.
I didn't want to have to keepup with lessons.
I didn't want two groundsessions for everyone in the sky
, like I read the book.
(11:59):
I read the book, i discussed thebook, like I was a lot more
involved in the knowledge of itthan other people.
You know, i got my AGI, myadvanced ground instructor
certificate, so now I have allthe knowledge.
I passed the test.
I passed the test to teach thestuff and they were still like
I'm sorry, but you always groundsessions And I was like I don't
(12:19):
, like this is not, this is notthe right thing, and so I moved
to another school.
You know, i think it as you gothrough your journey and you get
more knowledge, differentplaces may not be correct.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah that's really interesting about the AGI.
I was going to ask you abouthow your curriculum worked out
with ground school In particular.
A lot of people often try toknock out ground schools, like
your whole module, before sometry to integrate it as they go,
And it sounds like not only didyou integrate it as you go
through three different flightschools, but you also got your
AGI and became a groundinstructor And in some arguments
(12:53):
you could teach some of thoseCFIs about some of those ground
related maneuvers and lessons.
So that's really awesome.
You have that follow throughand drive to commit to the all
the curriculum.
So was that even offered to youin any sense for between any of
those three schools like aformal ground school?
(13:16):
because a lot of things areonline now, I'm curious if that
was something that you had tochase down on your own or was
difficult to find.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So the last of the flight schools, the one that I
ultimately ended up with, hasfree ground school, i think once
every two weeks, once everymonth, something like that.
But I mean I never went becauseby the time I got there I
already had my AGI.
My first, the first flightschool I was at was just like
read the book.
(13:46):
And then the second flightschool I was at was Sporties and
the CFIs were required to sitwith me in a classroom and I
remember my CFI drawing systemson the board.
He fully drew a diagram of theengines.
Like never at any point was itlike oh go, do King schools or
(14:07):
whatever.
It was never like that.
It was.
I mean, each one had their ownstyle, had their own flair.
But I mean I did go and get myAGI.
I feel like it's worthwhile tosay because maybe people could
relate to this.
I'm sure is I had to stop mytraining in the middle.
I mean flying is not somethingthat's feasible to do in one
(14:28):
straight shot, whether it'sexpenses or timing or life that
gets in the way.
Like I had to stop flying And Isaid I don't wanna totally give
it up.
So what else can I do?
And studying on my own time andI had to learn the material
anyway.
you know And I have a teachingdegree already I didn't have to
take the FOI, the Fundamentalsof Instruction.
(14:50):
Usually it's two tests It's anAGI and an FOI.
So I didn't have to take theFundamentals of Instruction test
.
it was just an AGI test.
So I was able to stay in it andstay involved and stay around
aviation and around the flightschool And I even talked ground
for a little bit.
I was able to stay in andaround and be relevant even
though I wasn't necessarilyflying.
(15:11):
So I think that's important too, because you know, use it or
lose it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah for sure.
Being part of the community, Ithink, is really important, And
then being involved in it eventeaching as a student is an
excellent way to remain present.
Just being around the FBO orthe school or whatnot, that's
awesome.
So how did your ground schooltraining go, Jared?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You were gonna say something.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, i can kind of relate to that.
Some of the ground schools.
the first flight school that Iwent to, it was almost required
that you went to theirparticular ground school, and I
mentioned that I was enrolled inthree different ground schools
the Sporties, the Kings and theGleam-Glyme, however you
pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Gleam-Glyme.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Gleam-Glyme exactly, And they kind of basically said
if you're not enrolled in ours,we don't care, And so that was
one of the reasons fortransitioning to a different
school.
So I had a similar experienceand I moved schools and it was
very helpful And I moved to thenext school that I was currently
(16:26):
earned my certificates at andthey offered me every resource
available And it made itincredibly, incredibly
comfortable for earning both theprivate and the instrument and
working on commercial.
Now I have my commercial ratingon the 30th and see a file on
the 31st of July, so we'regetting there, but it's really
(16:52):
important to be there for yourstudents and what you offer as a
school, and that's somethingthat I answer a lot of calls for
.
The flight school that wepartner with, and that's the
number one question is what doyou recommend?
How do you do this?
How do you proceed with yourtraining?
(17:15):
And we recommend sporties.
We recommend anything that isbest for the student, so it was
very beneficial.
All those different types oflearning.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Confirming these are all part 61s right.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Right.
I think that's important to saytoo, because there's the 141
option that none of us have gonethrough right?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yes, I have not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, I was curious if Jared was gonna go through a
141 with some of the curriculumlaid out in terms of sticking to
certain modules, but then yeah,so that important distinction
for new students coming in.
There's two different types ofschools, more or less a less
formal approach.
There's a part 61 where youkind of go through and do what
(17:59):
you need to do to get thecertificate complete, and
there's more formal training.
It typically is meant andreserved for future airline
pilots, called 141.
And they're trying to get youthrough certain stages And
there's certain elements andbenefits by going through that
141 style school.
That gets you more opportunitiesdown the stream where you can
(18:23):
get certain ratings andcertificates sooner And
unfortunately they're a bit morestrict with how they formalize
their lesson plans and thingsaround that.
But if you have a family and abit more informally I think all
of us have children at the pointwhen we're training, either our
initial certificates or throughadditional added certificates,
(18:47):
it's something like the familytime and other work constraints
to pay for this wholecertificate.
That makes part 61 a bit moremanageable, whereas 141, if
you're a younger kid that isfunded in such a way that you
can get out there and go from Ato Z and knock out a rating like
there's certain schools, likeATP, that are well known for
(19:10):
really setting you up to becomean airline pilot and a CFI, if
anything, in a couple months.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So there are previous episodes of this podcast.
They say it's like drinkingwater from a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Water from a fire hose is exactly that.
So you have to be set up as astudent in that mindset where
you're there to learn and takeit in and work hard at it.
I don't think you can afford asmany distractions as you can
with a part 61, but especiallyhaving full-time career and or
family.
I found it really important forme early on when I started.
(19:44):
I started ground school inperson.
I wanted to hear what peoplehad to say and the questions
that came to mind from othersthings I wasn't thinking about.
So I went through kind of asemi-formal ground school
locally and it was twice a week,a couple hours a day, a night
early, and so that was brought.
Three months of training overthe course of time And we
(20:06):
eventually got to the pointwhere we're doing the mock
written test And that reallyprepared me in that case for the
real thing later, when I wentthrough and started to apply
those theories into practicewith some of those, like I said,
ground-based maneuvers Solooking at flying from these
books but then starting to putthem into practice when we're
(20:27):
out there And oh, this is whatwe were talking about Some of
those fundamentals ofaerodynamics, all these
aeronautical decision-making,all these things you read about
and starting to realize, likehow important fuel management
and planning, specifically whenyou're on your 10 hours of solo
(20:48):
flights private pilot studentAnd when you're doing your first
long solo cross country as thefirst time you'll remember your
first solo Like vividly, butthat's the long solo cross
country.
When you now have to go do thisand you're by yourself Going
hundreds of miles away, thatthat's.
It's not necessarily a scarymoment.
(21:09):
It's very sobering in the waythat, yeah, i need to monitor
the fuel and I need all thesethings that I was taught.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Now It's time to put into practice And and a product
that maybe that may be a littlebit different in your area,
because I just went to Abilene.
You have I 30 West, yeah, andyeah, it's no problem.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, so in my area up in the Seattle area, we have
terrain, we have water, we havecertain.
I think it's easier to tonavigate because there are some
very iconic landmarks from thatand it's easy to keep north,
south, really easy.
But there's definitely distanceand stretches of time where
you're out there on your own andIt's definitely one of those
(21:54):
moments.
I think that Finding the rightinstructor that's competent and
you're comfortable with early onso that you're Feeling fully
prepared in those moments asyou're moving through all the
different stages and Milestonesas a new student into a soon to
be private pilot applicant, ithe device I was given and I
(22:17):
kind of understood as I've gonethrough all of my ratings as I
progress.
More life experience is totreat some of these Instructors
kind of like a job interview sothat you know, do you have a
good mesh fit and you don't haveto necessarily take that
instructor that was given to youInitially and just kind of, you
know, go meet up with theminformally before any of the
(22:39):
lessons begin and just haveconversation and kind of explain
your, your current scenario andWhat your goals are and do you
want to be an airline pilot Orjust here for fun because you,
you know, saw some really coolclips on Instagram.
Also, i think important to knowif your instructor wants to be
an airline pilot, so they're notgoing through their students
(23:00):
really quickly and pushingthrough Into their at their
advancement in their career,where they leave you behind.
I've had that happen twicewhere I've had instructor leave
early and It was kind of abummer because I agreed with
their teaching style.
We had a certain vibe that wasfun and it was fun to be
learning and engaging with.
(23:21):
All these Kind of comicalmoments were just your shoulder,
shoulder or someone for atleast 40 hours.
You better have a good rapportwith them and so having that
Disappointment of having to findsomeone new Every time that
would happen was always a bit ofa challenge and I feel like I
lucked out with people I end upflying with over course of time
(23:42):
all across different categoriesand classes.
But Often some people may beassigned to an instructor and
you just don't mesh well at all.
So don't accept that instructorright away because They were
assigned to you by someone inadministration at the flight
school.
But go have a conversation withthem, have coffee or whatever
(24:03):
your persuasion, and just talkabout your mutual goals.
I think it was really important.
Every time I've met a newinstructor is just kind of feel
that vibe and luckily, like Isaid, i've I've come across.
Majority of the people I'veflown with have been awesome,
but there have been a fewoutliers that just You know.
(24:24):
I was happy to not have to flywith them again.
So and then being realisticabout that, but not accepting
same personality differenceBecause you know you might not
mesh well with them who knowshow people perceive you?
And especially when you're anew student and you're nervous
and you're unfamiliar with howthese g forces, the sights and
the smells, all the, all thesethings are becoming normalized
(24:46):
and you have a cadence offiguring out what This is like,
you know, and then you factor inweather and turbulence and how.
How are you with doing stalls?
And then it's a little bitgusty out there because I know a
instructor and locally that isnot a fan of stalls at all.
That's a pretty important partof the initial student pilot
(25:07):
training or trying to get stallawareness things regarding you
know the tactile feel.
All these chain, the chain ofevents that lead up to A stall
and hopefully not a spin tryingto identify that stall lesson.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, there's everyone.
I think everyone has their,their, their stall that they'll
(25:28):
remember forever.
They just let it go too far, orUm, you know, the weather was
just miserable.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Jared's like no.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.
So you want to make sure thatyou know, as an instructor,
you're not leaving studentsterrified, but as a student,
that you feel like you havesomeone on your side that will
help guide you to thosesolutions that don't involve
Hitting anything.
So, because you're going to bein certain scenarios where you
you are beyond the threshold ofyour understanding of what's
(25:59):
happening and they're They'regoing to have the controls taken
back from the instructor to theinstructor, from you and being
confident in in that person tobe able to save the ship.
And And let's start this over,i think is a good that rapport
that you're looking for for thestudent and the instructor and
so early on, um, just to kind ofidentify that you Are good to
(26:23):
go with this person or like,yeah, let's you know, basically,
have no shame in trying to findsomeone else that maybe is a
better fit for you.
It could be an age relatedthing.
You're just not vibing on thator other factors where they are
on a mission to just knock outthese ratings and then not
necessarily custom tailoringtheir lessons to what you need,
especially in part 61.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
As a female pilot.
This is a thing like you'regonna be shoulder to shoulder
with an instructor.
I mean, it's not a secret thatthe majority of aviators are men
, right?
It's a weird thing like I.
It took me a while to figureout that I, um, like I, i
preferred like a kid.
I wanted, like a 21 year oldkid that.
(27:07):
You know it was very like.
He was fresh out of his 141 andYou know, i looked at him as
like because I mean, i'm in my30s.
I looked at him as a child, helooked me as an old lady and it
was the exact, perfect match forme.
You know, like I thinkObviously, like being a female
is a big, a big thing too, andit also depends on what, what
(27:30):
you're in it for and what you'relooking for.
Like, some people are in it toget their private pilot's
license, some people want to goand get their instruments and
people want to be professionalpilots.
Some people are just flying outof you know, as a hobby,
they're taking lessons just forfun.
So maybe you don't want aninstructor, that's as serious.
You want somebody that's morelike a friend, somebody who you
can really joke around with Andhang out with, and you know,
(27:52):
obviously you're paying them,but it's it's for the fun of it.
Like you know somebody, let'ssay, can't get a medical and is
like I'm just gonna have her fun, right and then.
So it really all depends on onwhere you're at and what you are
personally comfortable with.
And You know, like the secondschool that I went to, the one
that used the sport iscurriculum, was very, very
serious.
And I was like, guys, i'm in itright now as a hobby, i'm not
(28:14):
really looking to to get alicense at the at the moment.
And they were like that's weird, let me go ask the chief pilot
if we can see you.
And I was like okay, you know,like I thought you would just
take my like, take my money andbe okay with it.
And they were like no, we run avery serious program here, man,
you know, and uh, it just itwasn't, it wasn't the right, the
right fit for me.
So, um, i think it reallydepends on where you are in your
(28:37):
flying career, what yourintentions are and You know who
you are.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Like I said, being a female aviator is is a thing you
know regionally, i I wonder, ifI don't know how it is
differently for uh per new yorkor texas or seattle, but if it
differs regionally.
That initial contact call, oh,what, what is your end goal here
(29:03):
?
Are you looking to get aprivate?
Are you looking to get acommercial?
Are you looking to be airlineor atp?
um, what, what is yourbackground?
and I feel like a lot of thatcan play into that.
I that training, that initialsetup, that initial contact, and
I've taken a lot of those callsand And it's been eye-opening,
(29:24):
it really has of.
Well, i've, i'm a flightattendant and I'm looking My, my
buddy said I need to gettraining for to be a pilot.
Why not?
You know some so-and-so worksfor american airlines or
southwest and This is a greattime to be a pilot.
Okay, well, this is uh Theinformation needed.
(29:45):
Is is really important to Uhhow the training progresses and
that that initial uh Aspect ofwhat you're wanting to do.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, you guys want a funny story.
When I was a ground instructor,um, i had to have the same
conversations with people, right, like what is, what's your
Goals, what's the end game?
and, um, i had a student whosaid, um, i want to Take a plane
And I want to triangulate theearth in a single Yep Mm-hmm, in
(30:25):
a, in a single prop Engine,whatever I want to be able to
prove that the earth Is flat.
And I was like, um, i'm notsure that I can Help you with
that, but I can help you getpast your written.
(30:49):
I was like, i guess, i guess,if this is how this is is gonna
go.
I was like, what he's?
like, i'm still in my Sh whatdo you call it?
a vehicle selection phase.
And, um, considering anairplane, i, i may, i may end up
on a boat or I may end up in avehicle that's not Created yet.
(31:11):
Um, i said, okay, well, um,like I didn't know what to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, it is like a giant real life theme.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It was.
So I was like um, okay, i guesswe'll start with navigation.
Then I like, i don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I heard some advice about people that don't believe
in the moon landing.
And uh, you believe in the moonlanding.
You believe in the moon In themoon well, what's wrong with you
?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well, you know, kind of going back to, uh, the topic
of flights, uh, your initialflight school, um, one of the
first things that when you getinto aviation and you and you
start flying and and you makethe decision to do Flight
training, right, i had aninitial interview and the first
(31:59):
thing it was told to me wasaviation is not a poor man's
game, and I Didn't know how totake that.
I didn't know if that was asizing me up kind of thing, if
that was a Quantifying the buyeraspect.
And you know, we have such ademographic now, from young
(32:22):
individuals to older individuals.
Shout out to Joseph Croft on PG, making a transition, wants to
fly King airs.
You know that's a, that's a,that's a great Change.
He, he doesn't want to gocommercial or he doesn't want to
go to the airlines or 121.
It's for everybody and it'sit's welcoming.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
It's.
It's a challenging thing toIntroduce something like that to
a buyer.
I Don't.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that is unfortunately an honest self
evaluation, like you can kind ofexpand this over time.
But can I afford this?
fundamentally, i think there'sdifferent aspects about how you
can make that happen and that'sa lot of personal choices and
impacts in terms of You know,your, your life scenario,
especially if you have a family.
I would argue that most peoplewould prioritize their family
(33:21):
over flying, but there'sdefinitely opportunities when
you don't have a family to spendmore money and time with your
flying as a solo aspect, soloeffort really, and That devotion
.
I saw especially a youngerfriend of mine who was in his
younger 20s doing the ATP 141.
That was his entire life andthey're all ours practically,
(33:43):
you know, and the course, shortcourse of time, within six
months, i just remember.
Also Very not long after hisgraduation from that whole
program He was in jets for realand so it's amazing if you don't
have some of those obligationsof some of the rest of us have
(34:03):
with being a Family person.
I I happened to come across likea scenario before I had kids
that I was flying a lot andSuddenly found out that we're
gonna have twin daughters bornand that honestly put the brakes
On for five solid years of allof my hobbies until I've got
that sorted out and then hit itagain really hard And within the
(34:27):
matter of a few years Afterthat I was having flown more
than ever and knocked outseveral ratings, including a
helicopter, which is great.
So the girls kind of grew up,the young girls grew up with
helicopters in their lives forStended amount of time or they
didn't know any different.
It was kind of funny havingthat change in my lifestyle from
(34:48):
being Effectively like abachelor mode into being a
parent and then being thisStudent pilot all the way
through to multiple categoriesand classes, and that was really
a fixture of my life at thatpoint was continuing to be High
priority with my children andbeing an excellent parent, but
(35:09):
like being really into aviation.
When things started to get more, some certain life changes
happened for me in terms of mycareer when I made a bit more
easy to continue to fly more ona regular basis.
And so you know, still have tohave that cadence and find that
that amount They're willing toSacrifice from one or another
(35:29):
out of these different bucketsyou have.
But I know that's a good pointbeing present for your family
and throughout the whole Portionof any of this is definitely
really important to me.
But some some have betteropportunities to find that
priority in in timing thanothers and, yeah, i felt pretty
lucky that it's worked out forme thus far And the girls have
(35:53):
grown up in a unique kind ofaviation environment but I'm
still around with them and I've,through their entire elementary
school career I got to go onevery single fill trip and every
every event that was evenpossible to go on and so, in
other words, you start to feellike you're spreading yourself
(36:16):
out quite a bit, because in theinvolvement in training and
aviation requires a lot ofmental fortitude and in practice
and Talking, just being aroundthe community.
You can't just arrive and drive.
You really have to be a part ofsomething.
So showing up to the, theflight school after hours and
just flying other people beingpart of that whole Environment
(36:41):
and saturating some of theirknowledge and some of their, so
like the hangar talk, all thethings that aren't involved with
you flying physically But justbeing there mentally is really
important aspect of, i think,succeeding.
And in the wholesome, lee, andthat's kind of where I found
this podcast, for example, iwanted some stupid, dry content
and then found this hilariousset of characters in the yard.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, so in between, why else would you look for far
aim?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's insane.
So like trying to, they'llflood, fill those gaps between,
like driving from home to theflight school or commuting to
work and then just listening,being part of Something.
Even if you never meet us inperson, you'll hear some of our
stories and Rob Lee and Scott,all these things.
It just you start to balanceyour own application of of time
(37:31):
from what, what people have doneand Learned from and remain
mistakes from, and start tofigure out where you are with
these, yeah, opportunities.
So everyone has a differentpath and journey that they can
follow and and and.
None Are the correct ones, butthe ones have worked out well
for others.
In other words, go explore,have fun should be fun.
(37:55):
If you're not having fun, maybetalk to some other instructors.
Yeah, and it is expensive, butthere's certain ways to.
You know you the light sportand there's a sport pilot.
There's other ways to kind ofget involved in aviation, but
not fully commit, but I wasthinking about that recently.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, and so it is.
It isn't as it isn't.
You know, if you think aboutthere's so many programs out
there, they can get kidsintroduced.
I mean, around here in the DFWarea There are so many programs
that are aviation centric and Weare really grateful for them,
and it's a focus on the tradesas well.
(38:33):
As you know, higher educationand so Aviation is, is kind of
the forerunner here in our area.
Personally, i'm sure it is iny'all's area because it is so
prevalent, but There are aspectsto get into it easily,
(38:53):
affordably, and I just We justwant that to be known.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
One of my flight schools one of them, one of the
three is on Groupon and you canbuy like three hours for like so
much cheaper.
It's worth looking at for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
So you it's like elaboraterules, you stack on the group on
the, do your entire flighttraining through Groupon and
That's actually how I got intohelicopters.
I have a bunch of friends thatare rotorcraft pilots and it was
always something I wanted to doand something I had in my mind
and there was a group on for Ithink it's just a half hour
intro flight And Robinson, andthen that's how I got my start
(39:31):
and then before I knew it I wasflying primarily helicopters for
a couple of years doingridiculous things with these
things.
You know That I never thoughtas a fixed-wing pilot I ever
been involved with and outpicking up cones and fields and
knocking them over for fun and,you know, landing in the woods
and Trading altitude forairspeed off of cliffs, kind of
(39:55):
like a roller coaster, and calmdown, it's a sinking rock.
We're hovering like at the Cliffand just like push that nose
for it again in Robinson.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
It's shaped like a rock with a stick attached.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
No, I'm with you.
I'm with you, barb.
It's a way.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And I had that even a .
Thing that mindset you'd donein the past.
I'm like I'm not doing that andI did my intro flight and
changed my life.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Did you get your face swing before your rotorcraft?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, fun fact actually I was
born in 1993.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Went to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Why?
what's the?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
pilot Ground school in 1995.
So I was in fifth grade and myparents bought me the full
Ground school experience.
So when I was, like I think, 10years old, so I was in there,
the bunch of 40 year olds and I,you know I didn't do as well in
terms of like the mock test,but that's how committed I have
(41:02):
been to aviation back.
I started flight school back inthe 90s and I was born in the
80s.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I, you know, took some time, having gone through
middle school, high school,finding a career that could
support some of this and then,back in the late 2000s, actually
started my own as a real dealeffort as an adult before kids.
And then I started, yeah, fixedwing right here out of just a
really small, not really smallairport but a un-controlled
(41:31):
field, and Eventually finishedbasically my first private pilot
certificate at a class Deltanext to basically the Boeing
factory.
So we've had these heavies,twin-owl heavies, mixed it up in
this 72, yeah, and the bestpart is like when you're short
final somewhere and there's a747 waiting for you.
(41:51):
So gosh, opportunities likethat.
And Yeah, so mixed Friday.
And then same thing with thehelicopter training, same
Painfield Airport, flying againfrom the ramp directly because
taxiways are for for losers.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
So to rock on a step.
I.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Love the hate.
You know, one of my bestmemories was getting my private
license, was coming into acontrol field and North Fort
Worth and It has a joiningrunways, parallel runways, and
the the left runway had.
I have 10 miles to go andThere's an FA 18 coming in and
(42:39):
he parallels me and getting toland with a Navy aircraft
because the there's a joint base, a joint reserve base, just
nearby.
Getting the land side by sidewith that was Such a memorable
experience and it's just those,those memories that you get
(42:59):
through your training.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I hope everybody gets them If you ever wanted to fly
with F-18s, you should justsquawk 7500, call it a day or
not 75.
What is it?
77?
No, it's 75, 75.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, July 4th is coming up,
so Yeah, it's amazing.
It's America, america, everyfireworks.
So that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I love that.
You know, there was just and Iguess it wasn't even an incident
, it was an accident we coulddiscuss.
That happened with the was itF-16s that were flying alongside
Yeah, Washington DC.
Yeah, the citation, i believe Iepoxy it.
Yeah, yeah, that's a bad deal.
That's terrifying.
(43:45):
It's not even the first timesomething like that happened,
you know.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
No, the supersonic boom was heard over multiple
states, including ours.
Wow, There were noisecomplaints of why there was a
supersonic boom and was it aproblem.
So that was the reason.
From that specific incident.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
You heard the sonic boom over Texas.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Personally I did not hear it, but the multiple
reports did.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Rumor is it was just Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yes, By the way.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Taco Bell has a breakfast taco sponsored by.
Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Imagine That's funny.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, but why Right?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, that is a very memorable experience.
I mean to be up there like thatwith fighter jets.
That's not even that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, isn't that cool landing in parallel runways If
you're a poor support set.
I've had so many memories offlying alongside with the 777
and their massive birds Andthere's a moment where you're
kind of flying alongside eachother, even though you're going
at different air speeds.
There's just that moment whereyou're kind of almost holding
hands and you're like, yeah,we're doing it like well, wolf
(45:03):
pack.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
We're the same.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, yeah, same thing, and the reality is that
those guys started in Cessna's 2conceivably and or piper.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Absolutely.
Even those fighter jet pilotsstarted out in little hot plants
.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Something piston related probably, but that's the
funny thing about thehelicopter world is that there
are many rich kids that jumpedright and deterred in
helicopters and skipped all theRobinson's And so and, or they
went into the military And sothey don't have some of the
struggles of the poor kids likeme and the Robinson's.
(45:39):
I enjoy the Robinson's but theyget so much flak from the rich
kids that started in like Bellsor even like Blackhawks.
So yeah, it's funny All thedifferent perspectives.
Like I know someone thatstarted flying initially in
Cirrus aircraft and it's verynice airplane.
(45:59):
I have a few hours in them andreally would enjoy to own one,
fundamentally as an ownerdownstream, but I don't know the
certain things.
That almost feels like youshould pay your dues and some
crappy airplane and work yourway up.
But why not have like thisreally sweet airplane to learn
to fly in?
But then there's argument likethe Cubs or the Champs no
(46:23):
electrical, no flaps, all that,the hand prop.
Where do you start?
Like what's reasonable to gothrough that suffrage on,
because everything's for flightand all this glass panel stuff
and navigating all theinformation before your
fingertips doesn't suck Like whyshould you go through?
(46:44):
Why do we still have E6Bs.
I know there's stillfundamental learnings from that
that we need to teach newstudents.
But finding that balance ofback to the flight school aspect
of that flight planning withpaper charts, e6bs like how deep
into it do you want to go withthat and your instructor?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And then I know that I have to tell you Now go ahead,
you continue.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Because I heard that they're allowing more for-flight
now, because this before I wasflying in private pilot
for-flight wasn't a thing And soI had to do those paper charts,
those E6Bs.
And then my neighbor islearning as a student and has
for-flight And I would juststick to the charts for now.
So at least not thatrealistically when the iPad
failed probably not, but itcould.
(47:30):
But just having a betterunderstanding of where those
for-flight and all the otherapps are coming from, i think
it's great, but not just to makethis whole experience suck.
But are we going to move tothat point where everything is
electronic and we don't havethose paper charts anymore?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
So, yeah, i think that I can speak to this even as
a teacher.
As an educator, my backgroundis in education.
I mean, i taught third andfourth grade for 10 years.
You learn a lot of thefundamentals in those years,
right, you learn whatmultiplication is, you learn how
to add and regroup or whateverit is.
And it's like the same argumentcould be made.
It's like, well, how come youdon't just start with a
(48:11):
calculator?
The whole idea is that youunderstand fundamentally, just
like you said Tyler, youunderstand fundamentally what's
going on and what conceptuallyis happening.
What am I really doing here?
If I take 52 and add 47 orwhatever, and you actually take
52 little chips and 47 littlechips and you add them together
(48:34):
and you physically reallymanipulated and understand that
you have a better conceptualidea of what is going on.
And as opposed to if you justplugged it into a calculator and
you learned just how to plug itinto a calculator.
So I think that's the ideabehind using the paper charts
and behind using the E6B.
The E6B is a take on theoriginal slide rule.
(48:57):
I mean they sent men to themoon using a slide rule.
It wasn't a calculator.
So I think the idea behindusing those.
Like I said, the low tech isreally not.
I mean, yes, you could use itin case of an emergency, if
everything fails, but you reallyshould have a solid foundation
and a conceptual understandingof what you're doing.
(49:20):
If you're going to be in such ahigh stakes world like the sky,
you should really know what'sup.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, on the fly, making adjustments in those
scenarios where something is offscript and typically we're out
flying around and you startengaging in the air traffic
control, there's typically thescript that you kind of expect
and things are going through themotions.
And when that script changes,how are you going to adapt?
And that's where I think I finda flight instructor that is
(49:51):
going to throw you somescenarios they weren't prepared
for early on midterm and thenlater into your flying.
Training for private inparticular, is going to really
set you up to be thinking morecritically about all the aspects
of flight, in terms of thepre-flight all the way to the
end and then debriefing.
(50:11):
So having that fundamentalknowledge of math helps.
But why?
I like to ask a lot of why?
questions Like why are weconcerned about this?
And a lot of these regulationswe have, for part 91 particular,
are written in blood becausesomeone did something stupid and
(50:35):
then died because of it And solet's fix that problem.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
We are the Farium Podcast.
Yeah, we mentioned it once inepisode.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
So I recommend anyone getting into this to definitely
ask why, rather than justaccepting these as facts, and
not to challenge or question thesystem, but just to understand
more in depth why.
That is a concern Like why dowe ground the airplane before we
fuel it And then do you grounda Cirrus?
(51:08):
that's a composite aircraft.
So some of those you get deeperdives into that in terms of all
the different considerationsfor retractable landing gear
versus fixed landing gear andsome of the things you're
looking at as you start toexpand your aviation career from
this trainer Cessna all the wayup through a jet.
There's a lot of applicationsof some of that similar logic.
(51:30):
But understanding that why willthen kind of change
contextually depending on thetype of airframe, category of
class you're flying.
And I did an episode almost ayear ago or about a year ago on
sea planes and some of thatinvolvement in water totally
changed, reframed all the thingsI considered pre-flighting just
(51:53):
ground-based aircraft suddenlyhave water to deal with, and how
and why.
Why is this important?
Why are there springs on thiswater rudder?
In case something gets jammedyou can help free it, and things
you didn't necessarily consider.
Because you're going to gothrough the different scenarios
(52:13):
each flight you fly, buteventually you kind of evolve
and go through different flightschools, different instructors,
different types of aircraft.
You'll go from the Cessnas tothe Pipers to the Cirrus And
hopefully everyone experienced ajet or a helicopter But those
things that are differentsuddenly is a learning moment
And then I feel just verystrongly that a good instructor
(52:36):
early on will have you askingthose questions and exploring
and not just accepting what youhave in front of you is what it
is.
So I think the acquisitivepilots are great pilots that
learn and adapt from that andcontinue.
So what are your goals forflying now, barb?
(52:57):
you've been around a bit.
Continue just building hoursand enjoying that.
Or what's up for 2023?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
It's well, 2023 is almost half over, which is crazy
town Right.
But you know what's amazing.
So I mean I really do fly outof a hobby.
It's not a job, It's not acareer for me.
I do it because I enjoy it AndI'm not necessarily pursuing
anything serious.
But what's been nice is accessto new people and a supportive
(53:32):
aviation community, Becauseinitially it was just me and a
CFI And I have to find somebody.
That's sort of like I said,agreed with the idea that I
wasn't maybe going to take my,going to do a check ride or
whatever it was Like.
I needed someone who waswilling to just fly with me.
And now that I have access to awider aviation community, I
(53:56):
mean I'm flying with friends.
I'm flying with differentpeople.
I'm meeting all kinds of peoplefrom this flight school, from
that flight school, People whoare totally different ages than
I am.
I mean it's been amazing.
So just having the opportunityto fly with people I consider
friends is a totally differentexperience, And so that's really
where I am And I'm enjoyingevery second of it.
(54:18):
Again, there's nothing betterthan leaving the grounds.
It makes me feel so grounded,So it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's awesome.
I love seeing the evolution ofpeople getting involved.
So, jared, when we met, it wasat Precash in Ohio in July, so
it's almost a year anniversarybetween us, so almost So.
Basically, you had just gottenyour private pilot and you flew
all the way from Texas up toOhio And I remember this
(54:48):
Famously with the rudder trimout of trim.
So since then, More left rudder.
Since then.
You were a pretty new privatepilot at the time And you've
pushed through multiple ratingssince then.
In less than a year It soundslike you're involved in a flight
school and you're in thecommunity.
You're kind of getting outthere with other people flying
(55:10):
often And I see you with a lotof updates on Facebook and all
other social media.
How's that going?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
You know it's really going well Since being at
Precash and the entireexperience there was just
incredible.
I wish it was every year.
Come on, Rob, Come on Rob.
I'm just saying No flying.
We actually decided to partnerup and purchase a bunch of
(55:41):
airplanes and lease them to aflight school And so they're in
training.
So learning so much about theflight training model, as well
as the ownership model and themaintenance and having just a
really above bar maintenance,it's challenging, It really is.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's a big deal, though.
I left a flight school becauseof maintenance.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
That is one reason why so many people come to us.
That's one reason why I leftone of the flight schools that I
originally trained for.
But it's just the journey, thegrind and talking with everybody
that you do coming into aflight school.
it makes it really worthwhilewhere they're coming from, why
(56:29):
they're doing what they're doing, why they chose aviation.
and then being there for thatfirst solo, being there for that
check ride, that congratulatory.
on Friday we just congratulateda partner for his CFI initial.
It's just seeing that absolute,just exhaustion from a 10-hour
(56:54):
check ride and knowing it's justpure joy on his face and seeing
how much he's worked for it inthe process of going through it
Every single bit, from privateto CFI, to CFI, cfi it's amazing
, it really is.
I wish everybody could see theback-end side of it.
(57:16):
I can't emphasize it enough.
I really can't.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Isn't that crazy journey, like I said, from about
a year ago where you were towhere you are now, and then all
the prospects you have ahead ofyou, especially as an aircraft
owner.
You start to see those aircraftthat you have part ownership in
helping and create thosememories and it starts to build
that community.
Being part of that community,you're involved in it more often
(57:44):
and it's this reciprocal thingthat I feel like.
Ever since I got mycertificates in different
categories and classes, i'vespent more time in those just as
a participant in some flyingevent.
Rather than paying per hour togo experience it, you just get
invited into the club and thenyou are then in that scenario
(58:09):
where I was in this Airbushelicopters, like a six-seater
helicopters, awesome just flyingaround that we do like a
20-minute thing.
It was like eight hours offlying and it cost me $0.00.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Awesome, i ended up in an F-35 sim.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, yeah, so you have We need to talk about that.
Yeah, so you have thesedifferent things, that when you
start getting involved inaviation they start to come out
of the wallpaper essentially,and it costs you nothing versus
that initial investment seemslike so much like I can't afford
this.
You get in that community andall of a sudden these
opportunities jump out at youand you can get more flying time
(58:44):
, just as a passenger.
At least You see some of thesedifferent scenarios, all these
different types of airplanes andsimulators Then.
So Barb recently engaged with,there's a really cool F-35 sim
out in the New York City area.
Let's talk about that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Hey everybody.
Robert here without access to aproper microphone, so I give a
huge thank you to Barb, tylerand Jared for helping us out
here while Scott Lee and I areout.
I'm going to divide this upinto two different shows,
because we have an hour righthere and there's almost another
(59:27):
hour that can be a standaloneepisode about simulators.
So that's what I'm going to do.
We cut it off here and we aregoing to continue this in
episode 136.
So stay tuned.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you again, tyler, jaredand Barb for doing this.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Just kind of get a feel for it.
So this is it.
Hi, rob, it's 512 or 812 yourtime, so set a timer for about
an hour and then see what'sgoing on.
So how was everyone's Sunday?
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Jared, you can go first.
I heard it was really warmwhere you were.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Well, it was very warm.
I am a bit of a red lobster, sodo you have a pool, or a pool
near you, pool near us?
My in-laws live in our sameneighborhood and so we are
grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I hear that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
How's the smoke?
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
in New York.
It's not as bad anymore.
It really smelled awful and itwas bright orange.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
The other day, Like burnt maple syrup.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Oh my gosh crazy.
It was like but it wasn't 9-11vibes.
It smelled like a fireplace SoI didn't mind it as much, but we
were outside today, sohopefully the air is okay.
Do you have a garage?
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
that you leave your cars in or out of, because we
had those Canadian wildfires acouple years ago and all the ash
left on the cars was kind ofacidic to the paint and so we're
really concerned about all that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Wow, we do have a garage, but my husband keeps his
car in there because it's aTesla and he needs to charge it,
so he gets the garage.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, i know, be careful, because you get that
ash wet and it can create someother problems for the paint too
and kind of eats away the clearcoat and all that.
So be very careful because it'svery sharp So welcome to Car
Facts, yeah.
It's a concern Like we have halfthe cars in garages and the
other ones outside and thenthose poor bastards you know
(01:01:45):
have to deal with the ash andwhatnot from the Canadian
wildfire.
So we occasionally havewildfires here in our area.
In fact last time Jared was inmy area he had to deal with that
flying around in.
that was very nasty, horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Do you wear a mask when it happens?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
You know, the first time it really really happened
was in the 2020 era.
So, kind of by default, thiswhole area was wearing that in
general, but then augmented withthe actual risk of inhalation
of like actual ash particles.
It was just like a war zone outhere, so it was pretty gnarly.
(01:02:24):
Ultimately, you know, theadvice is just to stay inside,
best you do.
There's only so much filtrationyour filter will do from the
furnace, so you have to be ontop of that, and it was gross,
after just like a week changingout the furnace filter, knowing
that that was still like goingthrough our house.
And, yeah, unfortunately, thispart of the world, it seems like
(01:02:44):
it's going to be an annualevent.
It's unusual that the EastCoast gets it this early and, if
at all, so, yeah, we're prettymuch due for our own wildfires
here soon in the Seattle area,and it extends all the way down
to Oregon.
And what now?
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
So there were tons of New Yorkers in masks, like
given New Yorker a reason towear one, and they're like yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, i saw the.
Instagram story, the.
It's probably similar in theSeattle area that definitely the
portion of Seattle area I livein is more rural and people are
definitely over it.
So, yeah, so, reminding Barb toJared, make sure you put your
phone away from your table oranything that vibrates, so that
(01:03:30):
if you get a text in between anyof this it doesn't get into the
recording.
I did that during my seaplaneepisode and I heard it and I was
.
I couldn't do anything about it.
I thought it was far away, so Iput it on like a pillow over
there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
So it's out of the way It's on the carpet next to
me.
Listen, I can't guarantee thatthere is not a one year old baby
girl.
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
We are possibly screaming outside, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
So if you can't hear that right now, we heard it
earlier when you had differentaudio source.
I think that Mike does a prettygood job of getting that dialed
out, so it's good.
I'm grateful Otherwise we're,you know, a team 135.
So our lack of precision isdesirable.
So I I'll just start doing anopening and I presume that Rob
(01:04:17):
will do some kind of audio introas well, and we'll go from
there.
I'll just open it up and thenyou guys can introduce
yourselves by name and thenwe'll go from there.
So, all right, here we go.
Sounds great, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Ready, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Cool Ready.
Welcome to the Far Aim podcast.
I'm Tyler Brunkhorst Farborsatn.
Let's do it again, all right,all right.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!