June 22, 2023 • 60 mins
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Imagine soaring through the sky in an F-35 fighter jet, feeling the adrenaline rush as you navigate the airspace in a state-of-the-art flight simulator. Join us as we recount our unforgettable experience at the F-35 Sim, run by Israeli Air Force vets in New York City, and learn how this amazing feat of technology can help pilots improve their skills and decision-making abilities.
We'll also discuss the benefits of virtual reality headsets for aviation training, exploring cost-saving opportunities and the various flight simulators like Redbird and Advanced Training Devices. From transitioning between simulation and actual aircraft to the nuances of flying tailwheel aircraft, we'll cover every aspect of flight training and the importance of finding the right balance between technology and real-world experience.
Finally, we'll share some light-hearted banter about our upcoming trips to Oshkosh and Pre-Cash, as well as some funny stories about our mechanic encounters. So buckle your seatbelt and prepare for takeoff as we embark on this high-flying adventure together!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
So Barb recently engaged with.
There's a really cool F 35 Simout in the New York City area.
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, oh, my God, it was the coolest thing.
Guys, it's a company, i don'tknow.
Am I allowed to say the name?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
of this company.
Can I just, you can and Rob canBleep it or not.
Either way, great.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Float it out, so I'll tell you guys, there's a
squeaky duck.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Emoji Right, and he's helicopter noise.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He does that a lot lately, so it's called the
squadron.
There's one in Israel andthere's one in New York City And
it is run by Israeli Air Forcevets.
And so it originated as anorganization where you, let's
say, you were like the boss of acompany.
(00:59):
You'd bring your employees inand they'd sit you down in this
briefing room and you wouldlearn how to like the basics of
flying an F 35 with the throttleand the stick and where I mean
it was insane.
And then you know, you'd playaround a little bit in the Sim
and then they'd have you worktogether.
(01:20):
It was a collaborative teameffort to communicate and
navigate and meet these targetsand reach these goals And
ultimately your success reliedupon your ability to communicate
with your you know, quoteunquote co-pilot or first
officer or navigator, whateverit was.
So I mean, ideally for acompany, it's amazing because
(01:44):
you can facilitate communication, collaboration and, you know,
teamwork through your employeesin this really ultimately fun
experience.
So recently they opened it upto, i guess, the general public,
not just companies or largergroups, so you can go yourself.
I booked it for myself and myhusband as an anniversary
(02:07):
activity.
We are, we're married 12 yearsnow.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I had the anniversary.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Thank you.
So I booked it for the two ofus And I mean it was, it was
awesome.
We were navigating through.
They like had the Sim put us inthe San Diego area And I mean
I've never flown around there.
So like I mean, and he's never,like he's never flown period,
(02:33):
so it was.
It was interesting because he,you know, he was like I would
turn to to three, zero And so Iturned to three zero, zero and
he's like no, i mean I mean zero, three.
I was like it's not, it's notthe same, that's not the same
thing.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Let's not call them out here, i'm just saying But it
was, honestly it was.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
it was great.
Turn left, turn right, likethis is not how you navigate.
you know, yeah, what an amazinglike husband and wife
experience.
Honestly, we left there justsmiling right, we just left
there, smiling, laughing, we, we, you know, and I mean it.
They had, they, had they.
Let us put flight suits on.
(03:19):
We got to wear like theAmerican flag patch on our arms,
and it was, it was the quiet.
There was a Maverick helmet Igot to wear like this big fat
helmet with a head up display.
It was super cool, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You wear the helmet while you're flying.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So no, but I put it on afterwards.
They had the display.
They had the the head up, likethey had the display projected
on the on the sim.
So it was like a sim fordummies that had like a little
red dot on it And he was like ifyou fly towards, you know he
was Israeli.
So, in his accent, if you flytowards the red dot, that's,
(03:58):
that's your heading.
And I was, you know.
I was all like, Oh, you meanzero, three, zero.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And my husband was like nobody cares.
Nobody cares that you know whatyou're talking about, I care.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh my God, i care Right See.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I was like I'm not in a flight suit, like we're
getting kind of hot.
I was wondering about airconditioning and being in a room
.
That's one of the those thingslike it looks cool but in
reality like they're they're nomax and they're meant to resist
fire And then just in the casualenvironment, like a 72 degree
room, you're just burning up,sweating and like uncomfortable
Was that?
was it a thin like cloth thingor was an actual flight suit?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was not a thin cloth thing, It definitely felt
legitimate It was it was heavy.
They had this room filled withflight sims, Like it wasn't just
one.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
they had like seven, I'll project it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It was oh my God, it was insane.
It was really was.
it was insane And we kept beinglike we pushed this button,
what does this button do?
And he was like that buttonfires missiles.
No, you may not touch it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Don't push the red button.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It really was that.
It really was exactly that.
We were like can we shootthings?
He was like absolutely not.
That's not what we do here.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So it was more a sim about navigation and
communication.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Absolutely.
Yes, it was.
I mean, most people that gothere don't have any experience
flying at all, let alone flyingfighter jets, so you know you're
not going to be able to shootLike it was.
It was really legitimate.
Like, think about it, whenyou're flying in a flight sim
let's say you're flying in a 152or a 172 flight sim right, it's
, it's legitimate in there, it'snot a joke, it's not a video
(05:35):
game.
Like you're, for the most part,you're really utilizing your
skills.
It was the same idea It was.
It wasn't like let's fly aroundand shoot things.
It was let's navigate, let'stry and stay upright, let's not
crash into you know, see fit,we're not going to fly into the
mountain.
Where's your altitude?
Where's your airspeed?
You're going too fast.
Like the ideal speed for thismission is about 400 miles an
(05:59):
hour and you're going 600.
Like, um, or you know, i waslike I've never been this fast
in my life.
Yeah.
Stole speed in a F 35.
Fun fact is 180 knots.
I was like I've never even beenthat fast, but it's still speed
dive.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So did you guys switch roles?
and one was a pilot, onescenario, and then another
navigator?
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So we were in the sim for a total of I guess each
person was in the sim three,three times.
So the first, um, he got to goand I got to go, we were next to
each other because there were,you know, multiple sims, like I
said.
So the first time they had usflying through these different
targets, just to get a sense of,like what the maneuvering is
like, they were like these ringsthat they he put over Lake Mead
(06:48):
in Vegas, you know.
So we were flying around andtrying to um, go through the
rings, and then we went back andwe had a debrief and they
recorded our flights and theyhad us watch them back And he
gave us different tips on how tobetter our performance and and
based on that and based on howwell we had performed, he had us
(07:08):
choose new goals and you know,new, you know, i guess like new
targets or whatever.
And then we went back, usingthe lessons that we learned
during the debrief, and we bothperformed better than we had we
had done the first time.
Uh, so that was nice.
So we got two sessions there,once, the first time just to see
, and then we debriefed and thento to see what we had learned.
(07:31):
And then the, the second flight,there were the third flight,
rather, um, they, he, he, gaveus different targets that were
each worth a certain amount ofpoints.
They were, like you know,landmarks, or just like, even um
, like latitude and long, likeeven just points, and we had to
navigate, like we had to find aplan of action and figure out,
(07:54):
like what we're using this muchtime and this kind of speed and
this kind of altitude, like howare you going to get these
targets?
And he flew half of that, andthen we paused and then I flew
half of it And then, you know,we saw how many targets we were
able to get out of 10.
Uh, and the one who wasn'tflying was the one navigating.
So we would stand behind theperson flying and sort of
(08:15):
communicate directions and seeif we could work together based
on the initial plan we had comeup with.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So we're using.
How many targets did you getout of 10?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We did so well.
Yes, it was so great, it was.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
With the communications where you're on
like a headset, or are you justusing your voice?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So it was just our voices at the time I was
standing behind him but, um, theinstructor was locked in and a
headset So he was able to hear,i guess, what was going on
internally and he was able tocommunicate with us through
through our headsets.
So, like when the two of uswere flying in tandem, we were
essentially competing againsteach other to get the targets,
to fly through the wings orwhatever, and the instructor
(08:56):
would have the headset on and hewould talk to me and then he
would talk to him And he talkedto me and him.
You know it was, it really was,i mean, the coolest.
We learned.
We learned a lot and it itreally is.
It's it's a real lesson in inseeing what we're doing.
It's a lesson in in CRM andcrew research management.
I mean I wasn't like as the thepilot, like when I was flying, i
(09:17):
mean I couldn't see anything.
It was like sometimes I was upreally high and I couldn't see,
and then I didn't know where Iwas, and then sometimes we were
really I was down lower and hewas like I like you need to go
up higher, i can't see, like Ireally hadn't.
I relied on him so much as thenavigator, like what choices are
(09:38):
Azerbaijani for me to be moveand whatever the activities are.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I сказать We were just like usually we do some
work in locating on flyings andmyself Meanwhile there was no
team that had been sitting upand 내가 me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You know, did you meet your teammates in einge,
but did you of course contactyour teammates, or did you place
your name or your gender neareach other, or was it like play
one on every roll?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
meaning like logable in my pilot logbook.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, a BATD or AATD.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I actually have flown in a BATD before and logged the
hours.
There is a, Because in New YorkCity it's all class Bravo, So
there's no like flight schoolsthere.
So when I fly I fly out ofJersey and I was looking for
something to sort of supplementthat and I found an awesome
(10:32):
simulator, an accredited,certified BATD simulator or was
it AATD, whatever it was, but hefully put the.
I was allowed 2.5 hours from myprivate pilot and we fully
logged them And it was soinformative and so amazing.
I mean he helps people worktowards all different ratings.
He's like this united captainthat on the side like has a sim
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and he fully runs a flightschool using it.
So I've done that.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
One of the aspects of our flight training fleet that
we are incorporating is we havetraded for a AATD Redbird FMX
simulator that is in transit toour flight school currently And
we really feel that the datawill help our private pilots,
(11:26):
our instrument rated pilots, ouradditional certificate pilots,
to help get them to where theyneed to be On those days,
especially in Texas, those daysyou can't fly or can't fly, so
I'm confident it will help.
Absolutely I'm curious if y'allhave any input on that.
(11:50):
See what you guys think.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I do.
Actually, i wish I had showprepped better In my courses,
through Emory Riddles, throughgetting my aeronautics
certificate.
We did some work on simulatorsand understanding the
effectiveness of the BATD andthe AATD and how they really can
(12:12):
improve or not, whether they'rehelpful or hurtful.
And I believe that they'reextremely helpful up to a
certain point.
I think that was the resultthat we had gotten was they can
only supplement so much and theneventually, like, circling all
the way back.
You know you need that physicalfeel of the engine, you know
(12:36):
understanding like but I mean aRedbird simulator, those are
full motion, aren't they?
The one we are, yes, the one weare moving is yes, those are way
more effective than the otherones that are just simply a
screen or like a setup that youmight buy and have in your home,
even though those areexceptionally effective as well.
(12:58):
to a point, i think the fullmotion simulators are almost as
good as the real thing And Ithink that it's going to not
just like propel your studentsforward.
I think it's going to likeexponentially propel your
students forward.
I can probably look back atsome of my research and some of
my papers and studies and allthat and I can totally give it
to you, but I think there was agenius decision for you to make
(13:21):
and I think it's going to be theright move for your flight
school for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think the basic and advanced training devices,
especially your applicable whenlogging hours for instrument
currency, ipcs, and then alsoinitial training with that, i
think for private pilot stuff.
You know you don't get as manyopportunities to log those hours
, but I'm definitely seeing moreflight schools locally they're
using virtual reality headsets.
(13:46):
So it's not necessarily a timethat you're logging on your
logbook that applies to yourapplication for private
certificate but rather the lifeexperience being put in those
scenarios and being able tocontrol Z in a way of undoing
that and going right back tothat scenario again, over and
over and over, and it saves anamount of time You're spending
(14:07):
on aircraft cost and rentals andthen also you know really
you're just paying that groundtime to that, that CFI on the
ground Initially.
I think it's really cool havingvirtual reality be so
accessible now and it's not asobscures used to be And more
flight schools utilizing thatfor the private students in
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particular is a really coolopportunity.
And there's a fun stuff like theF 35 Sim which does correlate
to some of your decision makingin actual aircraft.
You do have those relevantflight experiences like the
difference between 300 and 030is a lot, but it sounds like who
no one cares Barb It's not trueBarb cares or any other pilot
(14:52):
in that scenario.
So, starting to make that, likesaid, taking some of those
concepts that you learned inground school and then, like
your first student, long crosscountry, you're out there
applying it for real and you'releaving the zip code, so to say
definitely.
I think that's a lot ofrelevancy in some of the SIM
(15:13):
training, even if it's notlogable.
But then we have have theRedbird, have a little bit of
limited motion And they're not amillion dollar SIM, so they're
accessible and they're becomingmore available to different
flight schools at differentscales of economy And I think
(15:33):
it's really cool, like I saidmuch earlier on, for flight,
more prevalent now all thesetechnologies in terms of like
the internet, giving you thisinformation you like, use that,
don't, don't be a curmudgeon andonly use paper plates and E6Bs.
But, you know, finding thatbalance of like how much
technology is appropriate versusrelying on it all the time, i
(15:58):
think it's still something thatwill evolve over time in terms
of like what we find appropriateand minimum.
So I'm involved in likeinstrument flying at the moment
with like the ATD, the frescoes,and you can go up to 20 hours
with those things versus I thinkthe basic is like 10.
So that's that's money in yourpocket By not having to rent the
(16:19):
whole.
You know the assessment is anhour, like $200 an hour, and so
we did this approach And thennow we have to fly the circuit
all the way back to thatapproach again And that's time
spent on the Hobbes that you'renot learning, you're just, you
know, wasting.
So instead you could jump tothese different scenarios and
(16:40):
logged or not logged isdefinitely a lot more real world
experience in terms of being inthat scenario versus just
thinking about it or readingabout it.
But having done it yourself,especially with the newest
flights, i'm very impressed withthe capabilities with VR.
So leveraging that ahead oflessons and after definitely can
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augment some of those learningsyou had And then, hopefully,
when you engage with a flightinstructor after, start to
understand that you should makesome of these smaller changes
here or there and use it as atool and debriefing and
communicating before and after,rather than this is it, i did it
, i don't need to learn anymore,so that that the old saying
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about this is a license to learn.
So you get that certificate justthe beginning.
So there's a lot ofopportunities to expand and grow
into different scenarios andnot only fly that Cessna 172 but
you know, when you get thatprivate certificate gives you a
lot of privileges to fly otherbigger, faster things within
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reason, you know, pending high,high performance endorsements
and tail will and all theseother scenarios.
But Sims definitely are anamazing investment in the
community for the pilots locallyAnd utilize that as a student
pilot early on.
The highly emphasize that is anopportunity to save money also.
So if you can log in or not,just do it.
(18:10):
It's pretty fun to experimentalso, especially if you're not
logging time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, especially.
You know, one of the aspectsthat we we found is that you can
, you can brief that solar crosscountry that your student is
going to do, and especially forinstrument training or anything
else It's, it's just beneficialbeing able to talk to
controllers, being able to talkto the mics and, speaking of
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instrument, you know, you canalways and a lot of these sim
trainers Tyler, i don't get towork with your Sims that you get
to work with some of the 737Max trainers that are like I
can't, let me know Me too, buthere, here, if a lot of these,
(19:06):
you can put the pause button andsay, hey, i really feel like I
didn't get to.
I didn't get that.
I didn't get that VR approach,i didn't get that ILS approach,
i didn't get that.
I missed that fix.
Let's reset things that youcan't do in an airplane.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Typically.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And so it helps.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, go ahead It totally does.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I was going to say I think the benefit of those
advanced full motion Sims, likethe one you're getting for your
flight school, Jared, is thatyou can have those, those, those
vestibular illusions right.
Those, those can be presentthere.
You can really make someonefeel like they're pitching up,
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when they're really accelerating, or like you can give all of
those sensations to students andhave them really build on their
awareness and improve in asense where you won't be able to
necessarily get that in it in abasic sim trainer.
So I mean, i think it really isas close as possible to the
real thing and it's superbeneficial.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think our approach to it is if you I have a glass
jar and you put a bunch of rocksin it, it is the sand that
fills in the gaps and is capableto help in the training model.
That's our approach to it.
I like that analogy.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Dido.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Jinx.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I was under the pressure for a long time that a
student showing up arriving witha lot of some time would be a
deterrent to them learning.
Well, as a new student I'veheard based on some of the
previous episodes on thispodcast, lee actually really
liked having some of thesestudents that had that
experience and it has helpedpositively move the baton in the
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right direction.
So I'm learning more aboutespecially the more modern
flight sims that they arehelping quite a bit more with
relevancy and context to all thedifferent things that we need
to facilitate when we'relearning and then in practice
when we're flying.
So, encouraging that use offlight simulators earlier on, i
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think it's really cool thatflight simulators are at the
point where they're photorealistic also in terms of like
planning ahead for crosscountries and looking for
landmarks Now, where before itwas more like pilotage and
you're flying this direction fora certain amount of time and
you couldn't see anything.
But now you can actually seethat white water tank over there
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and it's on like the downwindfor three, four And so, and then
you add in the virtual realityand you have more of that sight
picture and some of thatpresence of being in that flight
deck of, like the 172 versusthe 150, a little bit different
size and proportions, or heck,let's just jump right into the
747 and bust some Bravo.
(22:10):
Yeah, there's all sorts of wildfun adventures, like flying
F-35 even though they neverflown an airplane at all and
just kind of forsake the what'sthe difference between these
cardinal directions but theengagement and aviation and this
fun and should be fun and allaspects.
There's moments of learningwhere are less fun and kind of
(22:34):
involve some serious debriefingand reflection, but overall you
know you get to that point whereyou get your certificate and
all those different experiencesyou accumulated over time being
a student and encourage multipleinstructors and flying with
multiple people because you getdifferent viewpoints.
Every time I've flown with adifferent instructor I always
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have some kind of comment that Ifeel like I'm on top of this.
But I flew with this otherinstructor and she says I taxi
too fast and this other guywants me to look more straight
ahead on downwind and lookingout for traffic over here and
things that vulnerabilities Ithought that I had covered, but
in reality they have theirperspectives and probably
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reasons why they care about thatspecific element And especially
when you do tailwheel training,when you have, you're basically
flying the aircraft from themoment you're firing it up all
the way to the hangar, so it'salways flying, even when you're
taxiing nice and slow.
You're suddenly those crosswindcomponents and all those things
in terms of, like, how you'reputting inputs into the Elaron
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and elevator and rudder,suddenly are extremely relevant
when you have that tailwheelaircraft.
So, but then some people neverdo tailwheel at all And you know
so they don't have thatperspective and they don't have
some of those worries about thecrosswind inputs.
And so having flown withmultiple people, like I said,
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you start to get more echoes oftheir experience and it might
not make sense at the time Andthat's part of why I like to ask
why, like, why are youconcerned about that?
Not to question or challengethem, but to understand and
flood fill a little bit like thesand between the rocks, like
what?
what am I missing here?
And I think that that's a greatthing about aviation, polsomely
(24:20):
, is we'll never learn at all,and just like a license to learn
, but it's too much to know.
And by working together againin that community, flying with
friends, people you don't know,you, i've never not flown or
been flown in an aircraft andnot picked up some kind of like
little nuance and augment thatwith the sims and all the
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different scales of the sim.
It's quite the quite the hobbyinvolved in, i'd say.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know, i'm actually really I would like to
get Barb's professional adviceon this because as we transition
to this ATD, seeing thetransitional data that we get
from the sim to the physicalaircraft and the flying and the
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lessons and everything else,that's been a that's been a big
proponent for us to know what weare going to see and versus.
Is it going to make adifference, is it not?
And I know Tyler has seen a lotin his sim training and with
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his pilots, but especially withBarb's, your research especially
.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, So you're asking like what have I seen in
the research?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Well, just in the difference between I'm curious
what we're going to see and topresent the data to you, hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, you're totally always, obviously
welcome to present data to me.
I can give, if you give me like.
Thank you, of course, if yougive me a couple of minutes, i'm
going to go back into my notesand I'm going to pull something
out for you.
I'll have some nuggets ofinformation.
I wonder, oh yeah.
I'm going to look because it'sall here.
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Anyway, i have it Two hourslater.
So muscle memory is a big one inthe simulator.
Emergency situations, all ofthat repetition of targeted
skills is simpler with thesimulator but with so many
options available, studies weredone on the transferability of
training, just like you weresaying, jared, like how does it
transfer into the cockpit anddoes it really transfer on
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different types of simulatorsand the types of simulators
available today.
Like we said, they exist fornearly every type of aircraft.
Some are full motion andthey're classified as AAFTD
Advanced Aviation FlightTraining Devices and others are
considered basic aviation flighttraining devices, baftd.
In fact quote the FAA hasdetermined that instructors can
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successfully teach theseprocedural skills, such as
performing a before landingchecklist during ground training
using ATDs.
End quote.
So the FAA also says thatoperations, training and
maneuvers can be taught in anFTD as well.
So FTD is just flight trainingdevice.
By the way, there's basic andadvanced, but FTD just flight
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training device as well.
As in terms of teaching CRM,crew resource management, it's
exceptionally evident thatcockpit crew resource management
can be taught in a flighttraining device.
And simulator is a safe spaceto practice CRM because you can
explore and understand where thelimits of your envelope is in a
safe environment.
Crews can be placed in arealistic emergency situations
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and work on their response,their risk management, their
mitigation and their cooperationtogether without ever
realistically being in danger.
So that's a good one.
One of the benefits of an AAFTDor even a fixed base simulator
with that doesn't move, with awrap around screen, is the brain
is able to fully be immersed inthe experience.
(28:07):
And when the borders of thesimulator screen are seen by the
peripheral vision, the braindoesn't always perceive danger.
That was, that's a fact Boeingdiscovered.
So if the borders of the screenare seen by personal vision,
the brain doesn't alwaysperceive the danger, and that is
for this reason that cheaperflight simulators can certainly
be used to teach procedural andoperational tasks.
(28:30):
But for part 121 or commercialflight training, a full motion
simulator should be used,particularly because a first
officer's first flight forrevenue is carrying passengers
And all training for suchflights need to take place
outside the aircraft.
That's an interesting thing tothink about, because a first
officer is flying the first timethey're ever flying and making
(28:52):
money it's with passengers.
So every time they are trainingbefore then they need to.
It needs to take place outsidethe aircraft.
So full motion simulator shouldbe used for something like that
.
And lastly, that trainingshould be in the most high tech
environment possible toadequately simulate all training
situations.
And then I have a bunch ofreferences.
(29:13):
So that's all the data I haveon that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Well, i think there goes in response to is there's a
buttonology to that.
you have to learn your avionicssystems.
you have to learn And I'm sureLee could weigh in heavily on
that as well to definitelyaffirm what your studies are
showing.
It makes a big difference, itdoes.
(29:39):
You don't want to learn this.
You don't want to learn thesethings in an aircraft in the
soup as you're doing it.
How much better could it helpif you are familiar with your
buttonology and your flows inthe soup as you're training for
(30:01):
your instrument rating and orprivate pilot, commercial etc.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, but it the research seems to say that the
transferability of those skillsis relatively seamless, which
goes back to what Lee was sayingis how he likes getting
students who have had experiencein simulators, because it just
a little bit more, they're alittle bit further along in
their training even thoughthey've never actually been in
an aircraft.
So it seems like those thingstransfer And, like I had said
(30:28):
earlier, with the simulatorsthat are full motion you can
experience those vestibularillusions and you know, you can
really work to train your brain,your muscle memory.
all of that can happen totallyin a safe space and on the
ground.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So that's going to be 100%.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Tyler's smiling What's so funny.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
There's that 100%.
I was thinking hand-fibs, thet-shirt 100%, 100% 100.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, that's 2024 pre-cuff.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, i was just thinking like the void of not
hearing Scott Lee or Rob in anyof this and just the three of us
going wrapping out aboutaviation.
That was so cool.
Appreciate the opportunity.
I mean this is pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I could actually throw out that.
We have six minutes till.
It's my bedtime There, you goYeah.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
At some point this thing will shut off as well.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, if your browser up Jared, you know you don't
have Wi-Fi.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
On the space station out in Texas.
I would love to, but I got toget up at 4 am.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, you had detoxing over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
It's just, i mean it's, you know, tomorrow's
Monday.
I drink on the weekends, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, right, my neighbors are apparently playing
a game of.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It was a very good impression, Jared.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Cold as sack baseball out there and they're screaming
.
I don't know if you can hear methat It's very distracting, and
then the car alarm was goingoff earlier too, so No, can't
hear a word.
Good.
Or the children screamingThat's great, yeah, that's great
, that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Guys, to follow up on something just for a sec.
The aviation community isinsanely split on this can
airplane takeoff of a conveyorbelt situation.
I posted on Instagram my alittle clip from the filler clip
that was posted last week withregards to this argument And I
(32:24):
put up a little poll asking canan airplane take off a conveyor
belt?
And it was literally a 50 50split, Like six people voting
yes and six people voting no,which is a lot of people to be
voting and like be polarized.
And then I had people messagingme being like if anybody thinks
(32:47):
no, they shouldn't be flying,And then somebody being like if
anybody thinks yes, then thenthey're stupid.
And it was.
It wasn't even like people whodidn't know what they were
talking about.
Like it was an Air Force pilotwho now, like he was, he's an
Air Force vet and now he flieslike commercial for something,
And he was like no, it'sabsolutely 100%.
(33:09):
And he like gave me notes andfacts.
And then it was like an, anarmy pilot.
That was like absolutely Yeah.
And then, like it was likelegitimate people that had real
opinions and I couldn't evenbelieve that it's so split, Yeah
.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's one of the most polarizing things out there And,
especially given certainexperiences, uh starts to inform
opinions that get stronger.
And then there's people thathave no experience and they have
their own concrete opinionabout something, and therefore
it's kind of like to watchpeople watch the world burn.
In that regard, like um, yeah,it's interesting, like how, how
(33:52):
the questions written orperceived That's what it is, by
the way, it's the assumptionsmade, like people were like oh
well, you know, are the wheelsfree?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
spit, Like are they.
Are they spinning faster thanthe airplanes going?
Are you on the brakes first?
How long is the treadmill Likewhen people you have to
specifically put out?
it's not just kind of anairplane take off a conveyor
belt, It's like, given X, Y andZ, Can an airplane take off a
conveyor belt?
And I think most people wouldagree if you give the
circumstances.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, more details to it.
Um, yeah, it's been around forwell, i'd say almost a decade
that I'm aware of and stillsomething people argue about and
it's hilarious.
Like I have, i have no dog inthat fight and like, okay,
whatever, like uh there'scertain other similar uh stories
(34:44):
like that.
That.
It's just so funny how it getsbrought out.
Like there's math questions outthere on, like the Facebook and
all the Grammys fighting overum, certain orders of equations
and whatnot.
Um, like Pemba and anyway.
That's funny how that that uhyeah, i, i know, with an
absolution, this is the correctanswer, and then that conviction
(35:06):
often gets people burned.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So yeah, Well, I can tell everybody that if you're
interested in hearing more aboutthis argument, please log on to
pilotgroundcom and considerbeing a.
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, ground crew, ground crew Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That one's for you, Rob, I think yeah, this is a
good like segue into.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's very worth it, By the way.
It's very worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's brought us all together, brought us here, yeah,
so this was all brought to youby the ground crew.
Uh, although microphones arespeaking on were uh part of some
of the funds accumulated fromthe ground crew.
They sent out these uhmicrophones and some equipment
that we could record this onSome of the facility updates for
uh Rob, lee and Scott uh givingthem together in person.
(35:57):
The quality of their recordingshas gone up trifold since uh
they've they've gotten togetherAnd then, having been in that
environment the very first inperson recording is so nice to
get instant feedback and seeingpeople in the flesh with uh
where they're looking and andthere's no, there's no delay.
Uh, so some of those in personrecordings.
Uh, thank you, ground crew forsubscribing to pilot ground
(36:21):
website, pilot groundcom.
Yep, that's where you can finda continued discussion of this
conversation.
If you have any questions forany three of us or Lee, scott
and Rob um with.
There's also a chat element tothat, which is where this whole
uh takeover was conceived, justkind of more as a tongue in
cheek And then Rob took that andgave us a uh, our own link to
(36:43):
start creating a recording.
Here we are, um so thanks, rob.
Yeah, so thank you to theground crew Rob Lee, scott and
um Lee, for creating thisawesome community and expanding
on some of these conversationsthat uh have procured through
multiple episodes in some cases,including the the conveyor belt
argument that uh, this stillagain I feel like years of
(37:08):
polarizing conversations andkeeps coming up every now and
then.
So there's a great recap ofthat between Lee and uh Barb
recently and they have anupcoming episode.
I believe there'll be recordingone on one.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's going to be a great summer for um faring
podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
They're on a temporary break right now.
We're just in here having funand taking over.
So it is, i think, the end ofepisode one 35.
Thanks everyone for listeningand we'll see you in the chat.
Bye.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Bye, bye, thanks for joining, bye.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And the outro music.
And the outro music Cool.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So you got to get your bedtime coming up.
I think we have some.
we have two hour 50 minutes ofrecording at this point, So have
some extra filler.
We have core content, hopefully, Rob and cut up into components
.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yes, something Reorientate it.
You didn't do the three, two,one.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, and three, two, one And three two, one And okay
, everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I got a P and give my kids a kiss real quick before
bed.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Okay, Yep All right, we'll see you in a minute.
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Go for it All right, yeah, and then the welcome to
the Bahrain podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I tried, tried to emulate something like that, but
we'll see how it works out, ifthere's music or not.
But kind of you know, this is atakeover, it's a good, it's
good, feel good music and kindof hear that Like I think you
found it on Spotifyindependently and just kind of
like it brings back warmmemories of like a new episode
(40:20):
being released.
Oh, my God, it might havemissed the live stream.
Yeah, isn't it awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I put it.
it's like you know, goingthrough my playlists now, it's
just it pops up and I'm like ooh.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah.
And then hearing stuck musiccome up from again, some of
those like core memories ofthings you didn't necessarily
think you would care about.
And then, like it comes back toyou like oh my gosh, like this
is awesome And some of thesounds like yeah, firing up,
shutting down airplane, thesights and smells, and all those
(40:53):
things that you think like oh,it was my, my, you know, perfect
, landing in the crosswind Andyou don't remember that stuff.
It's just all those littlesubtle things.
So yeah, Yeah, yeah.
This podcast is typically like Ioften in the comments, trying
to throw it off the rails, andsometimes I success successfully
(41:14):
.
Do that The comments I makeoften won't be said verbally So
I can say whatever I want intext and then, especially if
Scott reads it and then laughs,hearing them, hearing them
giggle is is definitely where Ienjoy hearing that feedback.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, oh my God.
I remember the first time I wasever in the chat Actually, it
wasn't even then the first timeI was ever unmentioned on the
podcast.
Fun fact is, i left a review, ithink it was on Apple podcasts
or Spotify.
And they, in the beginning,they they read reviews and they
read my review and I rememberbeing like, oh my God, i'm
(41:54):
famous.
Yeah, i made it I made it, andthen I ended up in the chat and
then I remember the first timethey were like hello, barb, what
are you drinking?
And I was like oh my God.
I have a like I have a crew,like I fit somewhere.
You know the Varian podcastwill do that to you for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, it's fun kind of formulating from like the
plan of just being there toparticipate to suddenly being
actively in basically that thatground crew and then you know,
participating in the forum isone thing, but in the chat and
then hearing it make it to therecordings is pretty fun and
(42:34):
engaging.
But the fact that they, theyremember us and then again here
we are like to make animpression through either your
reviews or some of the commentsyou made, that are informed and
they're showing some of yourknowledge about whatever that
subject was at the time, versusjust lasting through it.
It's been pretty fun And thenhaving a couple of steps ahead,
(42:57):
Meeting each other, like you gotto meet Rob down in Florida.
Yeah, Jordan and I met eachother out in Ohio and at
Precache and a bunch of othercharacters that were there, and
you know, extended period oftime is super fun.
So all from that, all from asilly podcast that I thought was
going to be super serious, Andthere are moments definitely of
(43:19):
absolute execution of you know,some serious moments, others not
so much, but yeah, it's goodstuff.
So amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I remember there was one day I didn't have my phone
with me and it was.
I guess we had started aconversation on pilot ground and
I wasn't like finishedfinishing it or I wasn't
involved or whatever.
And at the end of the day andyou guys throughout the whole
day were like where is Barb?
Is she okay?
What's going on?
(43:51):
Let's keep tagging her.
Who knows her in real life?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It was a countdown, it was a manhunt for me.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It was, i'm not going to lie, very flattering.
I was like there's like a groupof people who just want to know
if I'm okay and where I am Yeahthat's pretty funny Yeah that's
pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That was genuine friendship right here.
Yeah, all from you knowinternet podcast Pretty fun.
I enjoy some of the comedy ofendured and procured even just
from like random internet factsabout airplane stuff And I can
(44:31):
get we can get Lee thrown offjust a little bit.
It's always entertaining.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, i remember there somebody posted a picture
once of a bee in their cockpitand I'll never forget it because
it makes me laugh every singletime.
I just kept posting all thesedifferent puns.
My favorite was you know,monitor one, two.
you know one, two, one pointhive.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
That was one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
No, my God.
One, two, one point hive.
There's nothing better.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's a .
I think you start to dig intothat stuff and start to annoy
Lee.
It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
The best, the best.
He got really annoyed on myepisode, so much that he
contacted me afterward and waslike I need, i like, like you
didn't say enough, like we needto do another podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, some of these, like you know, even an
hour, just clearly not enough.
And then going, whenever I'vedone a episode either a hill cop
or sea plane you typically werejust bantering for three hours.
It just it feels like 10minutes And, yeah, there's just
never enough time.
And having to spread them outAnd it's pretty cool You got
(45:44):
multi-part episode in yours aswell There's just too much to
talk about And that's the greatthing about learning and
aviation is there's so much toexpand on.
And then again all thosedifferent experiences people
have had or haven't, and talkingthrough those super fun, i'm
grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It really felt like our pre-gosh episode was 45
minutes.
Yeah, but it was a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I was an awesome episode.
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
We man, yeah that, that site.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I was building a tent at 1 am in the middle of high
and field.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I saw the trains going by.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Oh gosh, it was ridiculous.
All right Next year.
No, i'm a hotel.
Yeah, yeah The uh hotels arequite arbyz.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I can't believe you.
I can't believe you did that.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Well, i was committed at that point but You were, you
gave them your word.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That was.
That was quite the uh the setup.
And then I was surprised, umsome of the stuff that we're.
We ended up doing that thatsame day that I have like, uh,
thursday night.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Like the foam pit that he has at the front.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Oh yeah, Yeah, yeah, the golf cart ride We were.
There were many golf cart rides, but there's one specific golf
cart ride that was very uhnotorious with uh lack of safety
.
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
It was.
it was very much a tuck androll.
Yeah, Um, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah.
So there's definitely a lotgoing on at a Delta the, the
quality of the facilities, allthe up upkeep, basically, from
Scott's dad out there with that,uh, industrial lawn mower and
um, yeah, everything justcurbing the edging, all
everything about it is just topquality and it's more than just
(47:35):
some home airport It's, it's a,it's a true facility, is it's
awesome, and I hope that um morepeople can make it out to
pre-cash.
next, if there is one, uh, in2024,.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'll be there.
Jared's coming to get me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Seems like there's a cadence right now, And uh, you
know I'm I'm wearing thepre-cash shirt again, kind of
anytime we're engaged with thispodcast.
It's kind of been a traditionto wear.
But yeah, man, those were somelast memories where I'll wear
mine.
Yeah, Um, Yeah Yeah ultimatelyTyler's tradition.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's nobody else Yeah .
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, you know, yeah, that's not, that's not to lie.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I'm the.
I'm almost a veteran on on theamount of times I've recorded my
stupid voice, so every time Iused to wear this shirt.
So, um, and Rob as well.
It's fun to see that,especially when they're back in
Ohio together.
Uh, it's good stuff.
Um, i think I'm about tappedout for some of the
(48:36):
opportunities they're emergingright now with, um my bit, my
neighborhood is missing me onthe baseball game apparently.
I see people staring at methrough the window.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Oh, that's funny, because it's still like daytime.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, look yeah .
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh my God, you see my wind, it's pitch black out here
.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's.
It's dark here.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Whatever, we don't have to prove to each other.
We know when it's nighttime,it's dark.
I'm not going to show you mywindow.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
It's actually storming quite violently here.
Oh really, Oh wow, I tbspatydlimited Woo, But hey bar in
podcast, it's gotta go on.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's gotta go on.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
So we're 30 seconds short, even if we're taking it
over.
Yeah, two hours, i think wemade it.
We make it to that two hourmark and then we can call it.
I think this is great, wherethere's a lot to good
conversation here, and then, youknow, maybe do this again some
point when they need our help.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Hey, tb, i appreciate all your help Me too, from the
technical and to the Washingtonto Texas trip.
I have not got to share thatinformation with you.
Yeah, a whole lot, yeah, butyour help was tremendous,
awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, I would love to hear more about that.
Maybe they bring you on asguests to talk about that trip
and then like putting it intopractice, That concept into
reality of doing that real crosscountry flying and the
constraints you had.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I would love to hear about that actually.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, because you know you pair that up with your
first trip from Texas all theway to Ohio, dude, that's
amazing.
And then some of the othertrips you've done recently that
are like ferry flights,basically for new aircraft to
your fleet.
Putting that especially as likea younger pilot in that regard,
you know, just going out anddoing it is amazing.
(50:27):
So I think there's some lessonsyou've probably learned about
certain things you probablywould not do again or found to
be efficient.
I remember watching yourflights and there's a couple of
them where you guys werecircling above an airport for
quite a while to build air.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
We were in Blackfoot.
We were in Blackfoot and wewere climbing.
We had to climb to meet ouraltitude risk?
Yeah, no, i would.
No, it was VFR.
I was not instrumented at thatpoint, so we were just.
We were climbing for altituderestriction, like just or not
restriction, but clearance.
(51:06):
So, yeah, it was one of thebest adventures of my life.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Definitely worth its own whole episode.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, i would highly recommend coordinating with Rob
on that.
I know that there's definitelyenough for a whole episode there
.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And see, this is how people get on the podcast.
They talk about getting on thepodcast.
On the podcast.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, peer pressure, peer pressure, finally, awesome.
Well, let's work on making thathappen, because I'd love to
hear more about the flight fromTexas to Ohio, to start, and
then some of the things you'vegone on from that into leaving
completely unfamiliar territory,leaving your familiar territory
(51:50):
out somewhere like Washingtonand augmented like weather
scenario with the crappiestvisibility, the smoke and the
health hazards from that Causeyeah, you don't want to fly in
that smoke for too long and youcan't see the visibility is
terrible.
So, yeah, awesome.
(52:11):
Well, let's, let's make thathappen.
And then, yeah, let's wrap thisup and call this 135.
Thank you so much, guys.
Thank you, this is great Byeeverybody.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
I'll see you.
See you In the meantime.
Do we all need a drink break,or I mean we could always do
that.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
I mean the guy's taking all the time, Come on.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, they do, let's do one hour 30 in, so we're
doing pretty good, i think we'realready at bed?
Yeah, leave the browser up.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Leave the browser.
I'm going to find it.
I have all of this.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It was funny getting able to say that to him in real
life when he's physicallyleaving the recording facility.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
That's a big deal, man, that's a big deal.
Hey Barb, it's kind of amandate You got to be there in
2024.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh my God, of course I'm going to be there in 20 of
my work.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
I will come pick you up.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Okay, yeah, it'll be amazing, this is recording.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
You should put it out on the podcast.
Hold you to it.
We're going to have all thepeople.
Hold you to it.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Oh, it's out there, it's done, it's a verbal.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Oh, it's excited, It's going to be a fun plane
ride because it's happening.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
I'll be there.
Okay, here we go, it'shappening.
Tyler 2024 pre-cash.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, you know I'm going to Oshkosh this year.
Yeah, we might combine Oshkoshand pre-cash.
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
You're going to go.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Oh yeah Me too I'm going.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'll be there Sunday night, monday Tuesday Perfect,
i'll probably see you Tuesday.
Oh my God Awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Cool, i'll see.
Yeah, we're going to go thisyear but the housing scenario
kind of fell through with whatwe were going to have The house
that we normally rent got soldand then a bunch of other things
played out or it was like Idon't know.
Things can work out.
So 2024, it would be reallycool to pre-cash and Oshkosh.
It's awkwardly, like far enoughaway from each other that you
(54:41):
can't just casually hop between.
But No, yeah, make it like anextended trip.
Especially, i don't thinkthere's as many lessons learned
from pre-cash because it wassuper fun.
But if we had the same.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
No cancer fires.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, same environment, minus the trash
fire and lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Tyler, i got to ask do you get the top bunk or the
lower bunk?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah For pre-cash.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
No, for behind you, man.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Oh, that's Ella's.
There's only a top bunkactually, so Oh yeah.
Okay, roger, ah yeah, yeah,this is the most well-lit room.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
So good at text me and say dude, Jared's not
hammered.
Do I sound?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
hammered.
I think part of the problem isit's three hours later, So I am.
It's a quarter to seven here,so I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Oh well, yeah, It's 9.45 here.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, exactly That's the tough thing.
I've done some recordings inthe past with this, like the
crew basically like stillworking hours, or the live
streams, like three or four inthe afternoon, like I'm still
working, i can't be where do youdrinking Nothing?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Three in the afternoon.
My hammered drug is just theSouthern accent.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
It's just Annunciation is not our best.
Yeah, the draw.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
It's all good.
I like the diversity in some ofthe accents here and when.
Barbs is awesome especially.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Me when I say awesome Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Why do I say it weird ?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
No, i think it's the most New York part of it Like
when you say it with convictionYeah, exactly, there you go.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Awesome.
I love when you text yes.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, do I text, yes, i do.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yes, i love that Y-A-A-A.
Yes, yes, queen, yes, that'samazing.
Oh my God, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
I'm glad Tyler did I tell you about my adventure at
the Mechanics the other day.
You would love it?
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I do not.
I'm not aware of that.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh my God, i don't.
I'm not good.
It's like the ultimate New Yorkexperience.
But like I don't know anythingabout cars at all, And.
I had to drop my car at all AndI had to drop my car off to get
an inspection.
And so I drop it off and youknow it's Brooklyn.
It's Brooklyn and the guy'sname is Tommy and he lives in
you know whatever.
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And I drop the car off and thenhe calls me up.
He tells me I don't even knowhow you got here, you have a
gash in your tire.
The size of it's like a big U.
You're going to need a wholenew tire.
Yeah, somebody stole the backwiper off the back of your car.
You don't understand.
You're going to need a tire.
I called the guy in Kenosso Hedon't have it.
Call the guy in Brooklyn,downtown He don't have it.
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I called the guy in ManhattanHe don't have it.
They have you tie all the wayin Jersey, but I don't know if
they're driving over herebecause of the smoke.
First It's the COVID, then it'sthe smoke.
He's not going to bring it over.
I miss his son.
You're not going to have a car.
I was like what do you mean?
I've been driving it foreverLike there's no gish.
Anyway, bottom line is, ofcourse I had to pay for the new
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tire to come from the thingbecause of the special foam in
my tire, because of theelectrical system has a problem
And it just kept reminding me.
Has anybody ever seen thatmovie?
my cousin, vinny.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yes, yes, my brother is a mechanic.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
My brother is a mechanic.
Like that's what I'm going tohave to be a mechanic, but I can
turn the Brooklyn on very heavy.
Yeah, i love this.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
It will absolutely be in the bonus clip.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
My father's father's a mechanic.
I'm a mechanic.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Barb goes on.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
a monologue Is this just a mechanic.
All right, barb is a mechanic,she's from Brooklyn.
In case anybody wanted to know.
She's like you know what's hername, megan Robbie in that, uh,
wolf of Wall Street, like that.
Um, I do have information, bythe way, on these simulators.
It's basically what I said, but, um, having simulated training
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opportunities is provided pilotswith a cheaper, goal oriented
and realistic way to train.
Muscle memory can be developedfor maneuvers or emergency
situations.
Things like flows, stuff likethat is really um, like you know
if you go through it.
It's like it's like you knowwhen you what do you call that?
Not air flying, what do youcall that?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Chair flying.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Thank you Air flying chair flying, Hang your talk.
There it is.
So Barb recently engaged with.
There's a really cool F 35 Simout in the New York City area.
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, oh, my God, it was the coolest thing.
Guys, it's a company, i don'tknow.
Am I allowed to say the name?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
of this company.
Can I just, you can and Rob canBleep it or not.
Either way, great.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Float it out, so I'll tell you guys, there's a
squeaky duck.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Emoji Right, and he's helicopter noise.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He does that a lot lately, so it's called the
squadron.
There's one in Israel andthere's one in New York City And
it is run by Israeli Air Forcevets.
And so it originated as anorganization where you, let's
say, you were like the boss of acompany.
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You'd bring your employees inand they'd sit you down in this
briefing room and you wouldlearn how to like the basics of
flying an F 35 with the throttleand the stick and where I mean
it was insane.
And then you know, you'd playaround a little bit in the Sim
and then they'd have you worktogether.
(01:20):
It was a collaborative teameffort to communicate and
navigate and meet these targetsand reach these goals And
ultimately your success reliedupon your ability to communicate
with your you know, quoteunquote co-pilot or first
officer or navigator, whateverit was.
So I mean, ideally for acompany, it's amazing because
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you can facilitate communication, collaboration and, you know,
teamwork through your employeesin this really ultimately fun
experience.
So recently they opened it upto, i guess, the general public,
not just companies or largergroups, so you can go yourself.
I booked it for myself and myhusband as an anniversary
(02:07):
activity.
We are, we're married 12 yearsnow.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I had the anniversary.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Thank you.
So I booked it for the two ofus And I mean it was, it was
awesome.
We were navigating through.
They like had the Sim put us inthe San Diego area And I mean
I've never flown around there.
So like I mean, and he's never,like he's never flown period,
(02:33):
so it was.
It was interesting because he,you know, he was like I would
turn to to three, zero And so Iturned to three zero, zero and
he's like no, i mean I mean zero, three.
I was like it's not, it's notthe same, that's not the same
thing.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Let's not call them out here, i'm just saying But it
was, honestly it was.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
it was great.
Turn left, turn right, likethis is not how you navigate.
you know, yeah, what an amazinglike husband and wife
experience.
Honestly, we left there justsmiling right, we just left
there, smiling, laughing, we, we, you know, and I mean it.
They had, they, had they.
Let us put flight suits on.
(03:19):
We got to wear like theAmerican flag patch on our arms,
and it was, it was the quiet.
There was a Maverick helmet Igot to wear like this big fat
helmet with a head up display.
It was super cool, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You wear the helmet while you're flying.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So no, but I put it on afterwards.
They had the display.
They had the the head up, likethey had the display projected
on the on the sim.
So it was like a sim fordummies that had like a little
red dot on it And he was like ifyou fly towards, you know he
was Israeli.
So, in his accent, if you flytowards the red dot, that's,
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that's your heading.
And I was, you know.
I was all like, Oh, you meanzero, three, zero.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And my husband was like nobody cares.
Nobody cares that you know whatyou're talking about, I care.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh my God, i care Right See.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I was like I'm not in a flight suit, like we're
getting kind of hot.
I was wondering about airconditioning and being in a room
.
That's one of the those thingslike it looks cool but in
reality like they're they're nomax and they're meant to resist
fire And then just in the casualenvironment, like a 72 degree
room, you're just burning up,sweating and like uncomfortable
Was that?
was it a thin like cloth thingor was an actual flight suit?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was not a thin cloth thing, It definitely felt
legitimate It was it was heavy.
They had this room filled withflight sims, Like it wasn't just
one.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
they had like seven, I'll project it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It was oh my God, it was insane.
It was really was.
it was insane And we kept beinglike we pushed this button,
what does this button do?
And he was like that buttonfires missiles.
No, you may not touch it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Don't push the red button.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It really was that.
It really was exactly that.
We were like can we shootthings?
He was like absolutely not.
That's not what we do here.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So it was more a sim about navigation and
communication.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Absolutely.
Yes, it was.
I mean, most people that gothere don't have any experience
flying at all, let alone flyingfighter jets, so you know you're
not going to be able to shootLike it was.
It was really legitimate.
Like, think about it, whenyou're flying in a flight sim
let's say you're flying in a 152or a 172 flight sim right, it's
, it's legitimate in there, it'snot a joke, it's not a video
(05:35):
game.
Like you're, for the most part,you're really utilizing your
skills.
It was the same idea It was.
It wasn't like let's fly aroundand shoot things.
It was let's navigate, let'stry and stay upright, let's not
crash into you know, see fit,we're not going to fly into the
mountain.
Where's your altitude?
Where's your airspeed?
You're going too fast.
Like the ideal speed for thismission is about 400 miles an
(05:59):
hour and you're going 600.
Like, um, or you know, i waslike I've never been this fast
in my life.
Yeah.
Stole speed in a F 35.
Fun fact is 180 knots.
I was like I've never even beenthat fast, but it's still speed
dive.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So did you guys switch roles?
and one was a pilot, onescenario, and then another
navigator?
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So we were in the sim for a total of I guess each
person was in the sim three,three times.
So the first, um, he got to goand I got to go, we were next to
each other because there were,you know, multiple sims, like I
said.
So the first time they had usflying through these different
targets, just to get a sense of,like what the maneuvering is
like, they were like these ringsthat they he put over Lake Mead
(06:48):
in Vegas, you know.
So we were flying around andtrying to um, go through the
rings, and then we went back andwe had a debrief and they
recorded our flights and theyhad us watch them back And he
gave us different tips on how tobetter our performance and and
based on that and based on howwell we had performed, he had us
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choose new goals and you know,new, you know, i guess like new
targets or whatever.
And then we went back, usingthe lessons that we learned
during the debrief, and we bothperformed better than we had we
had done the first time.
Uh, so that was nice.
So we got two sessions there,once, the first time just to see
, and then we debriefed and thento to see what we had learned.
(07:31):
And then the, the second flight,there were the third flight,
rather, um, they, he, he, gaveus different targets that were
each worth a certain amount ofpoints.
They were, like you know,landmarks, or just like, even um
, like latitude and long, likeeven just points, and we had to
navigate, like we had to find aplan of action and figure out,
(07:54):
like what we're using this muchtime and this kind of speed and
this kind of altitude, like howare you going to get these
targets?
And he flew half of that, andthen we paused and then I flew
half of it And then, you know,we saw how many targets we were
able to get out of 10.
Uh, and the one who wasn'tflying was the one navigating.
So we would stand behind theperson flying and sort of
(08:15):
communicate directions and seeif we could work together based
on the initial plan we had comeup with.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So we're using.
How many targets did you getout of 10?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We did so well.
Yes, it was so great, it was.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
With the communications where you're on
like a headset, or are you justusing your voice?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So it was just our voices at the time I was
standing behind him but, um, theinstructor was locked in and a
headset So he was able to hear,i guess, what was going on
internally and he was able tocommunicate with us through
through our headsets.
So, like when the two of uswere flying in tandem, we were
essentially competing againsteach other to get the targets,
to fly through the wings orwhatever, and the instructor
(08:56):
would have the headset on and hewould talk to me and then he
would talk to him And he talkedto me and him.
You know it was, it really was,i mean, the coolest.
We learned.
We learned a lot and it itreally is.
It's it's a real lesson in inseeing what we're doing.
It's a lesson in in CRM andcrew research management.
I mean I wasn't like as the thepilot, like when I was flying, i
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mean I couldn't see anything.
It was like sometimes I was upreally high and I couldn't see,
and then I didn't know where Iwas, and then sometimes we were
really I was down lower and hewas like I like you need to go
up higher, i can't see, like Ireally hadn't.
I relied on him so much as thenavigator, like what choices are
(09:38):
Azerbaijani for me to be moveand whatever the activities are.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I сказать We were just like usually we do some
work in locating on flyings andmyself Meanwhile there was no
team that had been sitting upand 내가 me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You know, did you meet your teammates in einge,
but did you of course contactyour teammates, or did you place
your name or your gender neareach other, or was it like play
one on every roll?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
meaning like logable in my pilot logbook.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, a BATD or AATD.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I actually have flown in a BATD before and logged the
hours.
There is a, Because in New YorkCity it's all class Bravo, So
there's no like flight schoolsthere.
So when I fly I fly out ofJersey and I was looking for
something to sort of supplementthat and I found an awesome
(10:32):
simulator, an accredited,certified BATD simulator or was
it AATD, whatever it was, but hefully put the.
I was allowed 2.5 hours from myprivate pilot and we fully
logged them And it was soinformative and so amazing.
I mean he helps people worktowards all different ratings.
He's like this united captainthat on the side like has a sim
(10:55):
and he fully runs a flightschool using it.
So I've done that.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
One of the aspects of our flight training fleet that
we are incorporating is we havetraded for a AATD Redbird FMX
simulator that is in transit toour flight school currently And
we really feel that the datawill help our private pilots,
(11:26):
our instrument rated pilots, ouradditional certificate pilots,
to help get them to where theyneed to be On those days,
especially in Texas, those daysyou can't fly or can't fly, so
I'm confident it will help.
Absolutely I'm curious if y'allhave any input on that.
(11:50):
See what you guys think.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I do.
Actually, i wish I had showprepped better In my courses,
through Emory Riddles, throughgetting my aeronautics
certificate.
We did some work on simulatorsand understanding the
effectiveness of the BATD andthe AATD and how they really can
(12:12):
improve or not, whether they'rehelpful or hurtful.
And I believe that they'reextremely helpful up to a
certain point.
I think that was the resultthat we had gotten was they can
only supplement so much and theneventually, like, circling all
the way back.
You know you need that physicalfeel of the engine, you know
(12:36):
understanding like but I mean aRedbird simulator, those are
full motion, aren't they?
The one we are, yes, the one weare moving is yes, those are way
more effective than the otherones that are just simply a
screen or like a setup that youmight buy and have in your home,
even though those areexceptionally effective as well.
(12:58):
to a point, i think the fullmotion simulators are almost as
good as the real thing And Ithink that it's going to not
just like propel your studentsforward.
I think it's going to likeexponentially propel your
students forward.
I can probably look back atsome of my research and some of
my papers and studies and allthat and I can totally give it
to you, but I think there was agenius decision for you to make
(13:21):
and I think it's going to be theright move for your flight
school for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think the basic and advanced training devices,
especially your applicable whenlogging hours for instrument
currency, ipcs, and then alsoinitial training with that, i
think for private pilot stuff.
You know you don't get as manyopportunities to log those hours
, but I'm definitely seeing moreflight schools locally they're
using virtual reality headsets.
(13:46):
So it's not necessarily a timethat you're logging on your
logbook that applies to yourapplication for private
certificate but rather the lifeexperience being put in those
scenarios and being able tocontrol Z in a way of undoing
that and going right back tothat scenario again, over and
over and over, and it saves anamount of time You're spending
(14:07):
on aircraft cost and rentals andthen also you know really
you're just paying that groundtime to that, that CFI on the
ground Initially.
I think it's really cool havingvirtual reality be so
accessible now and it's not asobscures used to be And more
flight schools utilizing thatfor the private students in
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particular is a really coolopportunity.
And there's a fun stuff like theF 35 Sim which does correlate
to some of your decision makingin actual aircraft.
You do have those relevantflight experiences like the
difference between 300 and 030is a lot, but it sounds like who
no one cares Barb It's not trueBarb cares or any other pilot
(14:52):
in that scenario.
So, starting to make that, likesaid, taking some of those
concepts that you learned inground school and then, like
your first student, long crosscountry, you're out there
applying it for real and you'releaving the zip code, so to say
definitely.
I think that's a lot ofrelevancy in some of the SIM
(15:13):
training, even if it's notlogable.
But then we have have theRedbird, have a little bit of
limited motion And they're not amillion dollar SIM, so they're
accessible and they're becomingmore available to different
flight schools at differentscales of economy And I think
(15:33):
it's really cool, like I saidmuch earlier on, for flight,
more prevalent now all thesetechnologies in terms of like
the internet, giving you thisinformation you like, use that,
don't, don't be a curmudgeon andonly use paper plates and E6Bs.
But, you know, finding thatbalance of like how much
technology is appropriate versusrelying on it all the time, i
(15:58):
think it's still something thatwill evolve over time in terms
of like what we find appropriateand minimum.
So I'm involved in likeinstrument flying at the moment
with like the ATD, the frescoes,and you can go up to 20 hours
with those things versus I thinkthe basic is like 10.
So that's that's money in yourpocket By not having to rent the
(16:19):
whole.
You know the assessment is anhour, like $200 an hour, and so
we did this approach And thennow we have to fly the circuit
all the way back to thatapproach again And that's time
spent on the Hobbes that you'renot learning, you're just, you
know, wasting.
So instead you could jump tothese different scenarios and
(16:40):
logged or not logged isdefinitely a lot more real world
experience in terms of being inthat scenario versus just
thinking about it or readingabout it.
But having done it yourself,especially with the newest
flights, i'm very impressed withthe capabilities with VR.
So leveraging that ahead oflessons and after definitely can
(17:02):
augment some of those learningsyou had And then, hopefully,
when you engage with a flightinstructor after, start to
understand that you should makesome of these smaller changes
here or there and use it as atool and debriefing and
communicating before and after,rather than this is it, i did it
, i don't need to learn anymore,so that that the old saying
(17:27):
about this is a license to learn.
So you get that certificate justthe beginning.
So there's a lot ofopportunities to expand and grow
into different scenarios andnot only fly that Cessna 172 but
you know, when you get thatprivate certificate gives you a
lot of privileges to fly otherbigger, faster things within
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reason, you know, pending high,high performance endorsements
and tail will and all theseother scenarios.
But Sims definitely are anamazing investment in the
community for the pilots locallyAnd utilize that as a student
pilot early on.
The highly emphasize that is anopportunity to save money also.
So if you can log in or not,just do it.
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It's pretty fun to experimentalso, especially if you're not
logging time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, especially.
You know, one of the aspectsthat we we found is that you can
, you can brief that solar crosscountry that your student is
going to do, and especially forinstrument training or anything
else It's, it's just beneficialbeing able to talk to
controllers, being able to talkto the mics and, speaking of
(18:42):
instrument, you know, you canalways and a lot of these sim
trainers Tyler, i don't get towork with your Sims that you get
to work with some of the 737Max trainers that are like I
can't, let me know Me too, buthere, here, if a lot of these,
(19:06):
you can put the pause button andsay, hey, i really feel like I
didn't get to.
I didn't get that.
I didn't get that VR approach,i didn't get that ILS approach,
i didn't get that.
I missed that fix.
Let's reset things that youcan't do in an airplane.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Typically.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And so it helps.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, go ahead It totally does.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I was going to say I think the benefit of those
advanced full motion Sims, likethe one you're getting for your
flight school, Jared, is thatyou can have those, those, those
vestibular illusions right.
Those, those can be presentthere.
You can really make someonefeel like they're pitching up,
(19:52):
when they're really accelerating, or like you can give all of
those sensations to students andhave them really build on their
awareness and improve in asense where you won't be able to
necessarily get that in it in abasic sim trainer.
So I mean, i think it really isas close as possible to the
real thing and it's superbeneficial.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think our approach to it is if you I have a glass
jar and you put a bunch of rocksin it, it is the sand that
fills in the gaps and is capableto help in the training model.
That's our approach to it.
I like that analogy.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Dido.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Jinx.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I was under the pressure for a long time that a
student showing up arriving witha lot of some time would be a
deterrent to them learning.
Well, as a new student I'veheard based on some of the
previous episodes on thispodcast, lee actually really
liked having some of thesestudents that had that
experience and it has helpedpositively move the baton in the
(21:02):
right direction.
So I'm learning more aboutespecially the more modern
flight sims that they arehelping quite a bit more with
relevancy and context to all thedifferent things that we need
to facilitate when we'relearning and then in practice
when we're flying.
So, encouraging that use offlight simulators earlier on, i
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think it's really cool thatflight simulators are at the
point where they're photorealistic also in terms of like
planning ahead for crosscountries and looking for
landmarks Now, where before itwas more like pilotage and
you're flying this direction fora certain amount of time and
you couldn't see anything.
But now you can actually seethat white water tank over there
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and it's on like the downwindfor three, four And so, and then
you add in the virtual realityand you have more of that sight
picture and some of thatpresence of being in that flight
deck of, like the 172 versusthe 150, a little bit different
size and proportions, or heck,let's just jump right into the
747 and bust some Bravo.
(22:10):
Yeah, there's all sorts of wildfun adventures, like flying
F-35 even though they neverflown an airplane at all and
just kind of forsake the what'sthe difference between these
cardinal directions but theengagement and aviation and this
fun and should be fun and allaspects.
There's moments of learningwhere are less fun and kind of
(22:34):
involve some serious debriefingand reflection, but overall you
know you get to that point whereyou get your certificate and
all those different experiencesyou accumulated over time being
a student and encourage multipleinstructors and flying with
multiple people because you getdifferent viewpoints.
Every time I've flown with adifferent instructor I always
(22:55):
have some kind of comment that Ifeel like I'm on top of this.
But I flew with this otherinstructor and she says I taxi
too fast and this other guywants me to look more straight
ahead on downwind and lookingout for traffic over here and
things that vulnerabilities Ithought that I had covered, but
in reality they have theirperspectives and probably
(23:16):
reasons why they care about thatspecific element And especially
when you do tailwheel training,when you have, you're basically
flying the aircraft from themoment you're firing it up all
the way to the hangar, so it'salways flying, even when you're
taxiing nice and slow.
You're suddenly those crosswindcomponents and all those things
in terms of, like, how you'reputting inputs into the Elaron
(23:39):
and elevator and rudder,suddenly are extremely relevant
when you have that tailwheelaircraft.
So, but then some people neverdo tailwheel at all And you know
so they don't have thatperspective and they don't have
some of those worries about thecrosswind inputs.
And so having flown withmultiple people, like I said,
(23:59):
you start to get more echoes oftheir experience and it might
not make sense at the time Andthat's part of why I like to ask
why, like, why are youconcerned about that?
Not to question or challengethem, but to understand and
flood fill a little bit like thesand between the rocks, like
what?
what am I missing here?
And I think that that's a greatthing about aviation, polsomely
(24:20):
, is we'll never learn at all,and just like a license to learn
, but it's too much to know.
And by working together againin that community, flying with
friends, people you don't know,you, i've never not flown or
been flown in an aircraft andnot picked up some kind of like
little nuance and augment thatwith the sims and all the
(24:43):
different scales of the sim.
It's quite the quite the hobbyinvolved in, i'd say.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know, i'm actually really I would like to
get Barb's professional adviceon this because as we transition
to this ATD, seeing thetransitional data that we get
from the sim to the physicalaircraft and the flying and the
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lessons and everything else,that's been a that's been a big
proponent for us to know what weare going to see and versus.
Is it going to make adifference, is it not?
And I know Tyler has seen a lotin his sim training and with
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his pilots, but especially withBarb's, your research especially
.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, So you're asking like what have I seen in
the research?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Well, just in the difference between I'm curious
what we're going to see and topresent the data to you, hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, you're totally always, obviously
welcome to present data to me.
I can give, if you give me like.
Thank you, of course, if yougive me a couple of minutes, i'm
going to go back into my notesand I'm going to pull something
out for you.
I'll have some nuggets ofinformation.
I wonder, oh yeah.
I'm going to look because it'sall here.
(26:18):
Anyway, i have it Two hourslater.
So muscle memory is a big one inthe simulator.
Emergency situations, all ofthat repetition of targeted
skills is simpler with thesimulator but with so many
options available, studies weredone on the transferability of
training, just like you weresaying, jared, like how does it
transfer into the cockpit anddoes it really transfer on
(26:39):
different types of simulatorsand the types of simulators
available today.
Like we said, they exist fornearly every type of aircraft.
Some are full motion andthey're classified as AAFTD
Advanced Aviation FlightTraining Devices and others are
considered basic aviation flighttraining devices, baftd.
In fact quote the FAA hasdetermined that instructors can
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successfully teach theseprocedural skills, such as
performing a before landingchecklist during ground training
using ATDs.
End quote.
So the FAA also says thatoperations, training and
maneuvers can be taught in anFTD as well.
So FTD is just flight trainingdevice.
By the way, there's basic andadvanced, but FTD just flight
(27:23):
training device as well.
As in terms of teaching CRM,crew resource management, it's
exceptionally evident thatcockpit crew resource management
can be taught in a flighttraining device.
And simulator is a safe spaceto practice CRM because you can
explore and understand where thelimits of your envelope is in a
safe environment.
Crews can be placed in arealistic emergency situations
(27:46):
and work on their response,their risk management, their
mitigation and their cooperationtogether without ever
realistically being in danger.
So that's a good one.
One of the benefits of an AAFTDor even a fixed base simulator
with that doesn't move, with awrap around screen, is the brain
is able to fully be immersed inthe experience.
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And when the borders of thesimulator screen are seen by the
peripheral vision, the braindoesn't always perceive danger.
That was, that's a fact Boeingdiscovered.
So if the borders of the screenare seen by personal vision,
the brain doesn't alwaysperceive the danger, and that is
for this reason that cheaperflight simulators can certainly
be used to teach procedural andoperational tasks.
(28:30):
But for part 121 or commercialflight training, a full motion
simulator should be used,particularly because a first
officer's first flight forrevenue is carrying passengers
And all training for suchflights need to take place
outside the aircraft.
That's an interesting thing tothink about, because a first
officer is flying the first timethey're ever flying and making
(28:52):
money it's with passengers.
So every time they are trainingbefore then they need to.
It needs to take place outsidethe aircraft.
So full motion simulator shouldbe used for something like that
.
And lastly, that trainingshould be in the most high tech
environment possible toadequately simulate all training
situations.
And then I have a bunch ofreferences.
(29:13):
So that's all the data I haveon that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Well, i think there goes in response to is there's a
buttonology to that.
you have to learn your avionicssystems.
you have to learn And I'm sureLee could weigh in heavily on
that as well to definitelyaffirm what your studies are
showing.
It makes a big difference, itdoes.
(29:39):
You don't want to learn this.
You don't want to learn thesethings in an aircraft in the
soup as you're doing it.
How much better could it helpif you are familiar with your
buttonology and your flows inthe soup as you're training for
(30:01):
your instrument rating and orprivate pilot, commercial etc.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, but it the research seems to say that the
transferability of those skillsis relatively seamless, which
goes back to what Lee was sayingis how he likes getting
students who have had experiencein simulators, because it just
a little bit more, they're alittle bit further along in
their training even thoughthey've never actually been in
an aircraft.
So it seems like those thingstransfer And, like I had said
(30:28):
earlier, with the simulatorsthat are full motion you can
experience those vestibularillusions and you know, you can
really work to train your brain,your muscle memory.
all of that can happen totallyin a safe space and on the
ground.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So that's going to be 100%.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Tyler's smiling What's so funny.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
There's that 100%.
I was thinking hand-fibs, thet-shirt 100%, 100% 100.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, that's 2024 pre-cuff.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, i was just thinking like the void of not
hearing Scott Lee or Rob in anyof this and just the three of us
going wrapping out aboutaviation.
That was so cool.
Appreciate the opportunity.
I mean this is pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I could actually throw out that.
We have six minutes till.
It's my bedtime There, you goYeah.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
At some point this thing will shut off as well.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, if your browser up Jared, you know you don't
have Wi-Fi.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
On the space station out in Texas.
I would love to, but I got toget up at 4 am.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, you had detoxing over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
It's just, i mean it's, you know, tomorrow's
Monday.
I drink on the weekends, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, right, my neighbors are apparently playing
a game of.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It was a very good impression, Jared.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Cold as sack baseball out there and they're screaming
.
I don't know if you can hear methat It's very distracting, and
then the car alarm was goingoff earlier too, so No, can't
hear a word.
Good.
Or the children screamingThat's great, yeah, that's great
, that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Guys, to follow up on something just for a sec.
The aviation community isinsanely split on this can
airplane takeoff of a conveyorbelt situation.
I posted on Instagram my alittle clip from the filler clip
that was posted last week withregards to this argument And I
(32:24):
put up a little poll asking canan airplane take off a conveyor
belt?
And it was literally a 50 50split, Like six people voting
yes and six people voting no,which is a lot of people to be
voting and like be polarized.
And then I had people messagingme being like if anybody thinks
(32:47):
no, they shouldn't be flying,And then somebody being like if
anybody thinks yes, then thenthey're stupid.
And it was.
It wasn't even like people whodidn't know what they were
talking about.
Like it was an Air Force pilotwho now, like he was, he's an
Air Force vet and now he flieslike commercial for something,
And he was like no, it'sabsolutely 100%.
(33:09):
And he like gave me notes andfacts.
And then it was like an, anarmy pilot.
That was like absolutely Yeah.
And then, like it was likelegitimate people that had real
opinions and I couldn't evenbelieve that it's so split, Yeah
.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's one of the most polarizing things out there And,
especially given certainexperiences, uh starts to inform
opinions that get stronger.
And then there's people thathave no experience and they have
their own concrete opinionabout something, and therefore
it's kind of like to watchpeople watch the world burn.
In that regard, like um, yeah,it's interesting, like how, how
(33:52):
the questions written orperceived That's what it is, by
the way, it's the assumptionsmade, like people were like oh
well, you know, are the wheelsfree?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
spit, Like are they.
Are they spinning faster thanthe airplanes going?
Are you on the brakes first?
How long is the treadmill Likewhen people you have to
specifically put out?
it's not just kind of anairplane take off a conveyor
belt, It's like, given X, Y andZ, Can an airplane take off a
conveyor belt?
And I think most people wouldagree if you give the
circumstances.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, more details to it.
Um, yeah, it's been around forwell, i'd say almost a decade
that I'm aware of and stillsomething people argue about and
it's hilarious.
Like I have, i have no dog inthat fight and like, okay,
whatever, like uh there'scertain other similar uh stories
(34:44):
like that.
That.
It's just so funny how it getsbrought out.
Like there's math questions outthere on, like the Facebook and
all the Grammys fighting overum, certain orders of equations
and whatnot.
Um, like Pemba and anyway.
That's funny how that that uhyeah, i, i know, with an
absolution, this is the correctanswer, and then that conviction
(35:06):
often gets people burned.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So yeah, Well, I can tell everybody that if you're
interested in hearing more aboutthis argument, please log on to
pilotgroundcom and considerbeing a.
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, ground crew, ground crew Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That one's for you, Rob, I think yeah, this is a
good like segue into.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's very worth it, By the way.
It's very worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's brought us all together, brought us here, yeah,
so this was all brought to youby the ground crew.
Uh, although microphones arespeaking on were uh part of some
of the funds accumulated fromthe ground crew.
They sent out these uhmicrophones and some equipment
that we could record this onSome of the facility updates for
uh Rob, lee and Scott uh givingthem together in person.
(35:57):
The quality of their recordingshas gone up trifold since uh
they've they've gotten togetherAnd then, having been in that
environment the very first inperson recording is so nice to
get instant feedback and seeingpeople in the flesh with uh
where they're looking and andthere's no, there's no delay.
Uh, so some of those in personrecordings.
Uh, thank you, ground crew forsubscribing to pilot ground
(36:21):
website, pilot groundcom.
Yep, that's where you can finda continued discussion of this
conversation.
If you have any questions forany three of us or Lee, scott
and Rob um with.
There's also a chat element tothat, which is where this whole
uh takeover was conceived, justkind of more as a tongue in
cheek And then Rob took that andgave us a uh, our own link to
(36:43):
start creating a recording.
Here we are, um so thanks, rob.
Yeah, so thank you to theground crew Rob Lee, scott and
um Lee, for creating thisawesome community and expanding
on some of these conversationsthat uh have procured through
multiple episodes in some cases,including the the conveyor belt
argument that uh, this stillagain I feel like years of
(37:08):
polarizing conversations andkeeps coming up every now and
then.
So there's a great recap ofthat between Lee and uh Barb
recently and they have anupcoming episode.
I believe there'll be recordingone on one.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's going to be a great summer for um faring
podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
They're on a temporary break right now.
We're just in here having funand taking over.
So it is, i think, the end ofepisode one 35.
Thanks everyone for listeningand we'll see you in the chat.
Bye.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Bye, bye, thanks for joining, bye.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And the outro music.
And the outro music Cool.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So you got to get your bedtime coming up.
I think we have some.
we have two hour 50 minutes ofrecording at this point, So have
some extra filler.
We have core content, hopefully, Rob and cut up into components
.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yes, something Reorientate it.
You didn't do the three, two,one.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, and three, two, one And three two, one And okay
, everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I got a P and give my kids a kiss real quick before
bed.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Okay, Yep All right, we'll see you in a minute.
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Go for it All right, yeah, and then the welcome to
the Bahrain podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I tried, tried to emulate something like that, but
we'll see how it works out, ifthere's music or not.
But kind of you know, this is atakeover, it's a good, it's
good, feel good music and kindof hear that Like I think you
found it on Spotifyindependently and just kind of
like it brings back warmmemories of like a new episode
(40:20):
being released.
Oh, my God, it might havemissed the live stream.
Yeah, isn't it awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I put it.
it's like you know, goingthrough my playlists now, it's
just it pops up and I'm like ooh.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah.
And then hearing stuck musiccome up from again, some of
those like core memories ofthings you didn't necessarily
think you would care about.
And then, like it comes back toyou like oh my gosh, like this
is awesome And some of thesounds like yeah, firing up,
shutting down airplane, thesights and smells, and all those
(40:53):
things that you think like oh,it was my, my, you know, perfect
, landing in the crosswind Andyou don't remember that stuff.
It's just all those littlesubtle things.
So yeah, Yeah, yeah.
This podcast is typically like Ioften in the comments, trying
to throw it off the rails, andsometimes I success successfully
(41:14):
.
Do that The comments I makeoften won't be said verbally So
I can say whatever I want intext and then, especially if
Scott reads it and then laughs,hearing them, hearing them
giggle is is definitely where Ienjoy hearing that feedback.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, oh my God.
I remember the first time I wasever in the chat Actually, it
wasn't even then the first timeI was ever unmentioned on the
podcast.
Fun fact is, i left a review, ithink it was on Apple podcasts
or Spotify.
And they, in the beginning,they they read reviews and they
read my review and I rememberbeing like, oh my God, i'm
(41:54):
famous.
Yeah, i made it I made it, andthen I ended up in the chat and
then I remember the first timethey were like hello, barb, what
are you drinking?
And I was like oh my God.
I have a like I have a crew,like I fit somewhere.
You know the Varian podcastwill do that to you for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, it's fun kind of formulating from like the
plan of just being there toparticipate to suddenly being
actively in basically that thatground crew and then you know,
participating in the forum isone thing, but in the chat and
then hearing it make it to therecordings is pretty fun and
(42:34):
engaging.
But the fact that they, theyremember us and then again here
we are like to make animpression through either your
reviews or some of the commentsyou made, that are informed and
they're showing some of yourknowledge about whatever that
subject was at the time, versusjust lasting through it.
It's been pretty fun And thenhaving a couple of steps ahead,
(42:57):
Meeting each other, like you gotto meet Rob down in Florida.
Yeah, Jordan and I met eachother out in Ohio and at
Precache and a bunch of othercharacters that were there, and
you know, extended period oftime is super fun.
So all from that, all from asilly podcast that I thought was
going to be super serious, Andthere are moments definitely of
(43:19):
absolute execution of you know,some serious moments, others not
so much, but yeah, it's goodstuff.
So amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I remember there was one day I didn't have my phone
with me and it was.
I guess we had started aconversation on pilot ground and
I wasn't like finishedfinishing it or I wasn't
involved or whatever.
And at the end of the day andyou guys throughout the whole
day were like where is Barb?
Is she okay?
What's going on?
(43:51):
Let's keep tagging her.
Who knows her in real life?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It was a countdown, it was a manhunt for me.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It was, i'm not going to lie, very flattering.
I was like there's like a groupof people who just want to know
if I'm okay and where I am Yeahthat's pretty funny Yeah that's
pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That was genuine friendship right here.
Yeah, all from you knowinternet podcast Pretty fun.
I enjoy some of the comedy ofendured and procured even just
from like random internet factsabout airplane stuff And I can
(44:31):
get we can get Lee thrown offjust a little bit.
It's always entertaining.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, i remember there somebody posted a picture
once of a bee in their cockpitand I'll never forget it because
it makes me laugh every singletime.
I just kept posting all thesedifferent puns.
My favorite was you know,monitor one, two.
you know one, two, one pointhive.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
That was one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
No, my God.
One, two, one point hive.
There's nothing better.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's a .
I think you start to dig intothat stuff and start to annoy
Lee.
It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
The best, the best.
He got really annoyed on myepisode, so much that he
contacted me afterward and waslike I need, i like, like you
didn't say enough, like we needto do another podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, some of these, like you know, even an
hour, just clearly not enough.
And then going, whenever I'vedone a episode either a hill cop
or sea plane you typically werejust bantering for three hours.
It just it feels like 10minutes And, yeah, there's just
never enough time.
And having to spread them outAnd it's pretty cool You got
(45:44):
multi-part episode in yours aswell There's just too much to
talk about And that's the greatthing about learning and
aviation is there's so much toexpand on.
And then again all thosedifferent experiences people
have had or haven't, and talkingthrough those super fun, i'm
grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It really felt like our pre-gosh episode was 45
minutes.
Yeah, but it was a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I was an awesome episode.
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
We man, yeah that, that site.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I was building a tent at 1 am in the middle of high
and field.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I saw the trains going by.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Oh gosh, it was ridiculous.
All right Next year.
No, i'm a hotel.
Yeah, yeah The uh hotels arequite arbyz.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I can't believe you.
I can't believe you did that.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Well, i was committed at that point but You were, you
gave them your word.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That was.
That was quite the uh the setup.
And then I was surprised, umsome of the stuff that we're.
We ended up doing that thatsame day that I have like, uh,
thursday night.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Like the foam pit that he has at the front.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Oh yeah, Yeah, yeah, the golf cart ride We were.
There were many golf cart rides, but there's one specific golf
cart ride that was very uhnotorious with uh lack of safety
.
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
It was.
it was very much a tuck androll.
Yeah, Um, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah.
So there's definitely a lotgoing on at a Delta the, the
quality of the facilities, allthe up upkeep, basically, from
Scott's dad out there with that,uh, industrial lawn mower and
um, yeah, everything justcurbing the edging, all
everything about it is just topquality and it's more than just
(47:35):
some home airport It's, it's a,it's a true facility, is it's
awesome, and I hope that um morepeople can make it out to
pre-cash.
next, if there is one, uh, in2024,.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'll be there.
Jared's coming to get me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Seems like there's a cadence right now, And uh, you
know I'm I'm wearing thepre-cash shirt again, kind of
anytime we're engaged with thispodcast.
It's kind of been a traditionto wear.
But yeah, man, those were somelast memories where I'll wear
mine.
Yeah, Um, Yeah Yeah ultimatelyTyler's tradition.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's nobody else Yeah .
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, you know, yeah, that's not, that's not to lie.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I'm the.
I'm almost a veteran on on theamount of times I've recorded my
stupid voice, so every time Iused to wear this shirt.
So, um, and Rob as well.
It's fun to see that,especially when they're back in
Ohio together.
Uh, it's good stuff.
Um, i think I'm about tappedout for some of the
(48:36):
opportunities they're emergingright now with, um my bit, my
neighborhood is missing me onthe baseball game apparently.
I see people staring at methrough the window.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Oh, that's funny, because it's still like daytime.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, look yeah .
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh my God, you see my wind, it's pitch black out here
.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's.
It's dark here.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Whatever, we don't have to prove to each other.
We know when it's nighttime,it's dark.
I'm not going to show you mywindow.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
It's actually storming quite violently here.
Oh really, Oh wow, I tbspatydlimited Woo, But hey bar in
podcast, it's gotta go on.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's gotta go on.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
So we're 30 seconds short, even if we're taking it
over.
Yeah, two hours, i think wemade it.
We make it to that two hourmark and then we can call it.
I think this is great, wherethere's a lot to good
conversation here, and then, youknow, maybe do this again some
point when they need our help.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Hey, tb, i appreciate all your help Me too, from the
technical and to the Washingtonto Texas trip.
I have not got to share thatinformation with you.
Yeah, a whole lot, yeah, butyour help was tremendous,
awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, I would love to hear more about that.
Maybe they bring you on asguests to talk about that trip
and then like putting it intopractice, That concept into
reality of doing that real crosscountry flying and the
constraints you had.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I would love to hear about that actually.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, because you know you pair that up with your
first trip from Texas all theway to Ohio, dude, that's
amazing.
And then some of the othertrips you've done recently that
are like ferry flights,basically for new aircraft to
your fleet.
Putting that especially as likea younger pilot in that regard,
you know, just going out anddoing it is amazing.
(50:27):
So I think there's some lessonsyou've probably learned about
certain things you probablywould not do again or found to
be efficient.
I remember watching yourflights and there's a couple of
them where you guys werecircling above an airport for
quite a while to build air.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
We were in Blackfoot.
We were in Blackfoot and wewere climbing.
We had to climb to meet ouraltitude risk?
Yeah, no, i would.
No, it was VFR.
I was not instrumented at thatpoint, so we were just.
We were climbing for altituderestriction, like just or not
restriction, but clearance.
(51:06):
So, yeah, it was one of thebest adventures of my life.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Definitely worth its own whole episode.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, i would highly recommend coordinating with Rob
on that.
I know that there's definitelyenough for a whole episode there
.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And see, this is how people get on the podcast.
They talk about getting on thepodcast.
On the podcast.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, peer pressure, peer pressure, finally, awesome.
Well, let's work on making thathappen, because I'd love to
hear more about the flight fromTexas to Ohio, to start, and
then some of the things you'vegone on from that into leaving
completely unfamiliar territory,leaving your familiar territory
(51:50):
out somewhere like Washingtonand augmented like weather
scenario with the crappiestvisibility, the smoke and the
health hazards from that Causeyeah, you don't want to fly in
that smoke for too long and youcan't see the visibility is
terrible.
So, yeah, awesome.
(52:11):
Well, let's, let's make thathappen.
And then, yeah, let's wrap thisup and call this 135.
Thank you so much, guys.
Thank you, this is great Byeeverybody.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
I'll see you.
See you In the meantime.
Do we all need a drink break,or I mean we could always do
that.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
I mean the guy's taking all the time, Come on.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, they do, let's do one hour 30 in, so we're
doing pretty good, i think we'realready at bed?
Yeah, leave the browser up.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Leave the browser.
I'm going to find it.
I have all of this.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It was funny getting able to say that to him in real
life when he's physicallyleaving the recording facility.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
That's a big deal, man, that's a big deal.
Hey Barb, it's kind of amandate You got to be there in
2024.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh my God, of course I'm going to be there in 20 of
my work.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
I will come pick you up.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Okay, yeah, it'll be amazing, this is recording.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
You should put it out on the podcast.
Hold you to it.
We're going to have all thepeople.
Hold you to it.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Oh, it's out there, it's done, it's a verbal.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Oh, it's excited, It's going to be a fun plane
ride because it's happening.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
I'll be there.
Okay, here we go, it'shappening.
Tyler 2024 pre-cash.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, you know I'm going to Oshkosh this year.
Yeah, we might combine Oshkoshand pre-cash.
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
You're going to go.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Oh yeah Me too I'm going.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'll be there Sunday night, monday Tuesday Perfect,
i'll probably see you Tuesday.
Oh my God Awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Cool, i'll see.
Yeah, we're going to go thisyear but the housing scenario
kind of fell through with whatwe were going to have The house
that we normally rent got soldand then a bunch of other things
played out or it was like Idon't know.
Things can work out.
So 2024, it would be reallycool to pre-cash and Oshkosh.
It's awkwardly, like far enoughaway from each other that you
(54:41):
can't just casually hop between.
But No, yeah, make it like anextended trip.
Especially, i don't thinkthere's as many lessons learned
from pre-cash because it wassuper fun.
But if we had the same.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
No cancer fires.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, same environment, minus the trash
fire and lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Tyler, i got to ask do you get the top bunk or the
lower bunk?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah For pre-cash.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
No, for behind you, man.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Oh, that's Ella's.
There's only a top bunkactually, so Oh yeah.
Okay, roger, ah yeah, yeah,this is the most well-lit room.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
So good at text me and say dude, Jared's not
hammered.
Do I sound?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
hammered.
I think part of the problem isit's three hours later, So I am.
It's a quarter to seven here,so I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Oh well, yeah, It's 9.45 here.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, exactly That's the tough thing.
I've done some recordings inthe past with this, like the
crew basically like stillworking hours, or the live
streams, like three or four inthe afternoon, like I'm still
working, i can't be where do youdrinking Nothing?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Three in the afternoon.
My hammered drug is just theSouthern accent.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
It's just Annunciation is not our best.
Yeah, the draw.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
It's all good.
I like the diversity in some ofthe accents here and when.
Barbs is awesome especially.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Me when I say awesome Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Why do I say it weird ?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
No, i think it's the most New York part of it Like
when you say it with convictionYeah, exactly, there you go.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Awesome.
I love when you text yes.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, do I text, yes, i do.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yes, i love that Y-A-A-A.
Yes, yes, queen, yes, that'samazing.
Oh my God, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
I'm glad Tyler did I tell you about my adventure at
the Mechanics the other day.
You would love it?
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I do not.
I'm not aware of that.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh my God, i don't.
I'm not good.
It's like the ultimate New Yorkexperience.
But like I don't know anythingabout cars at all, And.
I had to drop my car at all AndI had to drop my car off to get
an inspection.
And so I drop it off and youknow it's Brooklyn.
It's Brooklyn and the guy'sname is Tommy and he lives in
you know whatever.
(57:25):
And I drop the car off and thenhe calls me up.
He tells me I don't even knowhow you got here, you have a
gash in your tire.
The size of it's like a big U.
You're going to need a wholenew tire.
Yeah, somebody stole the backwiper off the back of your car.
You don't understand.
You're going to need a tire.
I called the guy in Kenosso Hedon't have it.
Call the guy in Brooklyn,downtown He don't have it.
(57:48):
I called the guy in ManhattanHe don't have it.
They have you tie all the wayin Jersey, but I don't know if
they're driving over herebecause of the smoke.
First It's the COVID, then it'sthe smoke.
He's not going to bring it over.
I miss his son.
You're not going to have a car.
I was like what do you mean?
I've been driving it foreverLike there's no gish.
Anyway, bottom line is, ofcourse I had to pay for the new
(58:12):
tire to come from the thingbecause of the special foam in
my tire, because of theelectrical system has a problem
And it just kept reminding me.
Has anybody ever seen thatmovie?
my cousin, vinny.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yes, yes, my brother is a mechanic.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
My brother is a mechanic.
Like that's what I'm going tohave to be a mechanic, but I can
turn the Brooklyn on very heavy.
Yeah, i love this.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
It will absolutely be in the bonus clip.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
My father's father's a mechanic.
I'm a mechanic.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Barb goes on.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
a monologue Is this just a mechanic.
All right, barb is a mechanic,she's from Brooklyn.
In case anybody wanted to know.
She's like you know what's hername, megan Robbie in that, uh,
wolf of Wall Street, like that.
Um, I do have information, bythe way, on these simulators.
It's basically what I said, but, um, having simulated training
(59:04):
opportunities is provided pilotswith a cheaper, goal oriented
and realistic way to train.
Muscle memory can be developedfor maneuvers or emergency
situations.
Things like flows, stuff likethat is really um, like you know
if you go through it.
It's like it's like you knowwhen you what do you call that?
Not air flying, what do youcall that?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Chair flying.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Thank you Air flying chair flying, Hang your talk.
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