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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I would not be comfortable personally buying an
experimental home built.
No, that's a.
I'm interested in buildingsomething someday like myself,
right?
I mean like it had to besomething where I just know the
person was just like veryexacting in everything.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, that's still such a gamble, I mean it's just
so psychological, like to thinkabout, like you can know, the
most fastidious OCD person andit's just like, yeah, I totally
trust them to build that, but Idon't want to fly it.
I mean, it's just sopsychological to me, yeah,

(00:44):
that'd be a pass for me, butthere's a market 32 grand
they're looking for it.
I mean, I guess they're a hotlittle home built though from my
understanding, but just not forme.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
We're up to $32,000 now, from listed lowest to
highest.
Have we found anything thatexcites us?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I haven't really found anything yet.
We need to know more on thosecubs for 22 grand.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
There's two of them a country apart.
Well, yeah, if that was even.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
That would be very exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I mean I would be excited if that was actually
22,000.
I mean, with the exception ofthose, which is too good to be
true.
I haven't found anything thatexcites me.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I agree.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Eurocoupe Aircoupe.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
You know anything about these things?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Aircoupe, aircoupe, mm-hmm, is that?
Is there a?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Eurocoupe there might be, but this isn't one of those
.
Aircoupe, yeah, aircoupe.
Everybody knows an aircoupe.
You know it's like theirattempt to get hey, it's down by
you, man.
This was their attempt to open,flying up to the masses.
These are, you know, 40s.
They may have kept buildingthem into the 50s.

(01:57):
I'm not an aircoupe expert, butthey had different models.
You know.
Some of the early ones startedwith the A65, like I've been
talking about all night so farbut then the later ones, I
believe C85 and C90s maybe, butthey're most known for they
don't have rudder pedals.
You control them solely by theyoke, that's right, I've heard

(02:19):
this yeah, so that was themtrying to.
They link it all together.
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
They link it all together.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, they link it all together and then
obviously there'd be somecrosswind limitations and things
to consider, you know, becauseyou have to drop the aileron and
it adds rudder at the same time.
It's just a weird concept, butthem linking them together made
it a little more approachablefor people who are used to just
driving around a car.

(02:46):
So yeah.
Different.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
And it's pending now taking back up offers though.
Oh wow, 1,000 hours total time.
Uh-huh, 54 cents major I don'tknow what.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
What does it have?
Kind of a C85,?
Okay, so this is a 46.
I don't know if that is anoriginal engine or not, I don't
know.
I know the later models didhave that and if it's got the
C85, this one very well may haverudder pedals.
Hold on, let me get an interiorpicture.
The rudder pedals they started,you started being able to get

(03:24):
them, or they were installed inthe later models and the C85s
were later.
So maybe this is I can't tellin that picture you just put up
in my I can't see.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
There's one, there's another.
It doesn't look like it's gotrudder pedals, not that I can
see.
Yeah, unless that's a rudderpedal maybe.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh, here's a.
Ah, maybe Keep going a couplemore pictures.
There's one mind still loading,but I got crappy hotel Wi-Fi so
I can't load anything, but Keepgoing.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
One more?
I think no.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, oh well, that's a brake pedal.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
It did not look like rudder pedals to me.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
No, yeah, so this is, and I wanted to say that, but I
wasn't sure.
I feel like this 46 is towardthe beginning.
This airplane probablyoriginally came with an A65, but
I'm not sure.
So, yeah, no rudder pedals, butit's got the upgraded engine.
32.5, I think personally, is anastronomical number for this

(04:29):
airplane.
Yeah, I don't know anythingabout them really.
I mean 54 cents major overhaul,that's great.
Now, granted this engine, youcould buy this airplane for the
engine.
Yeah, yeah, you could buy thisairplane for the engine.
You got 20, 25 grand in anengine.

(04:52):
If it was a good, obviously,logbooks in front of you look at
who did the work and how whatkind of quality overhaul it was.
But if it was a high qualityoverhaul, you're talking.
The majority of this, which Iguess is not unlike a lot of
airplanes, but a lot of thevalue of this airplane, is in
the engine.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, but I didn't know those engines were that
much.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean I may be overshooting a little bit, but
parts are getting harder to comeby.
And do you have the time If youhave a J3 Cub with a C85 on it
and you wipe out a cam or crankor something like that and you
want to put it back original thecost or the wait time Because
your airplane can't fly withoutthat crank.
So I got to spend a lot ofmoney.

(05:40):
You already got to wait a longtime.
So the value is there for theC95s and C90s in my opinion
especially, but C85s would be agreat choice as well.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Do you prefer the sound of those over a Rotex?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh God, you had to get me started.
Absolutely, I like that slowprop turning sound.
I don't want to hear a freakingsnowmobile or a lawnmower.
I just I can't do it.
I don't know if I'll ever beable to.
It is just so off-putting to me.
Yeah, personally.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, the 1967 Cessna 150.
We obviously talk about this alot on the show.
This one's up in Canada $33,428.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Right in the ballpark it doesn't excite me, because
it has.
This is right in the ballpark.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Of what they're going for now.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I'd say this is a good.
This is middle of the pack, Iwould say for 150s.
I don't know that much about it.
I see it high times.
It's got basically 6,900 hourson it.
It's a 67.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.
So I mean it's a little bit ofan older one, but and you got to
re, you got to re-up the Slackmessages going off.
Here you have to repaint thethings for Canadian registration

(07:25):
.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, that'll certainly make it harder.
You have to paint that in andthen paint big N number over top
of it if you're importing it.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah.
And then we got our Cessna wasat 76.
Total restore, you remember it,Beautiful specimen, and for 150
.
We got a 600 hours on it for 25grand.
It's like I could pair that nowto I.

(07:54):
Just I couldn't do it.
So I don't think I'll ever havea 150 again just because of
that.
You know what I mean.
Everything's more money, highertime, and that is nice, Right.
So it's just like I'm just kindof out of the 150.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I don't think I'll ever have another.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
You're not going to have.
That's the bar, which, for asfar as I know, that's the nicest
one that I've ever known orcome into contact with.
That's You're not going tosurpass that, and the money
alone To find the example ofthat airplane at any price would
be hard to do.
So now we factor in price, soit's like.

(08:34):
It's almost impossible.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, any factor, yeah, any.
Any example.
Buying 150-wise isn't going tobe as good as the one I had.
So it's like it just takes andit's a 150.
So it's like it's not like it's.
You know it's.
I've just moved on.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I feel like so like, are you afraid?
Like I just can't get it.
So like, let's say you had agob of money and you just wanted
to relive the glory days.
You think it would be hard toread, at any price, to basically
read, to have what you had.
Like, let's say, you're willingto put 80 grand into something.
You got to find a low-timeairframe and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
If I find a low-time airframe it was in good
condition clean everything andthen I sent it to.
Who's doing those 150conversions Aviat?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Like refurbishing them completely.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
The 150, 150.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh well, I don't know who holds the STC.
There's multiple STCs for thedifferent 150 horse.
But Aviat, they are doing theyreimagined, where they
refurbished them.
I didn't know that they wereadding 150 horse engines to them
there.
Okay, I thought they were.

(09:56):
Maybe they are.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
If I did do it, I have to be like a lower-time,
like less than 2,000 hours,clean history.
Good starting point.
Convert it to 150 horse insteadof the 100, and just make it
super nice like just go throughit and then I'd probably enjoy
it.

(10:19):
What if that?
How much are you in on a 150 bythat point to make that plane
versus like other stuff?
I'd want to go by at that point.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's a really good point.
I mean, that's a really I don'tknow.
Like me when you think J3s.
J3s are even more pointlessthan a 150 is.
But I'm totally fine to sink aton of money into one of those.
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, but it's the J3 , it's like I think that's gonna
hold.
They're gonna hold their valuemore than the 150s long-term,
though.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, I would have to imagine.
I guess it's still.
You're just still just, it's anairplane to in theory, get from
point A to point B, which a J3barely does.
You know what I mean.
So like yeah, but Value is.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
so it's a fun plane at that point.
What's that?
It's just a fun airplane atthat point.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That you like.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, so here's something that we've talked
about a few times.
But let's say you do this 150horse conversion on a Cessna 150
, and we rave about how lightand nimble the handling is on a
150, which is all correct.
But what happens if you putthat?
Heavy 0320 up there and itdestroys the handling.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's salad, I get rid of it.
I don't know.
I'd like to fly with 150-150.
Because I have this idea in myhead that if you could maintain
the nimbleness with you know,50% more horsepower, 150 be a
fun plane.
If it was like a good example,like the one I used to have yeah
, like the plane I used to havewith 150 horse, would be sweet.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Right.
I just don't know how balancedit's gonna feel compared to that
.
You know that lightness on the021.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
A lot more weight up front.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it sure is.
And a bigger prop that you haveto swing as well, a much bigger
beef, your prop to transmitthat thrust to the air.
You know, but I don't know, ifthere's STC's where you get the
battery in the back versus inthe front, you know, to help
shed some of the weight andbalance it back out.
I don't know, but that'll beinteresting, what all you can do

(12:27):
to maintain that the balancewhile adding horsepower.
All right, you ready for thenext up?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I'm ready for the next up.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
All right man, we got a 1957 Piper Tri-Pacer 34,000
dollars 34.
So.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Up in Canadian.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean we're talking about bases that we started with
.
We kind of have the bookendshere.
Now we have the Colt in thebeginning for 20 grand.
Now we're $14,000 later.
We got a Tri-Pacer.
I'm not at a glance here.
What's up?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
All other things.
Obviously there's a bunch offactors involved, but just face
value.
I'm spending an extra 14 forthe Tri-Pacer Zero down, having
never flown either, just out ofits reputation of both Zero down
.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
This is a good year.
This is a good.
This is a more late model, 150horse engine.
This is one of the ones to get.
I'm not obviously I don't likethis paint job and things like
that, and we'd have to look atall the same considerations of
the Colt Tube and fabric.
So you worry about lawn dronesbeing rusted out, you worry

(13:49):
about fabric If you don't likethe paint job, well, how do you?
You can strip paint off fabricand then repaint it.
But is it easier to just, ormake more sense, just strip all
that fabric off too, get areally good look at maybe damage
repairs, maybe tubing that'srusted that you just plain
couldn't see before.
So there's, I mean, I think incase.

(14:10):
Obviously my OCD says, yeah,rip every piece of fabric off
this thing and make sureeverything's good.
But when it comes down todollars and cents, man, I mean
you're talking 20 grand torecover this thing at least so
this would be a good one to have.

(14:33):
If it is a clean airframe, thisis a good year, good power plant
to have on it.
I mean engine time, 412 hours.
I mean it was overhauled,though, in 1997.
So that's kind of getting upthere.
It's been a while, yeah, it'sbeen a while 412 hours.

(14:55):
What are good?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
years and what are not so good years with the dry
pastures, I think you want tobasically be shooting for
anything after 54.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I'm pretty sure they made a lot of cabin heat
improvements.
Not a lot.
They made cabin heatimprovements.
That's actually the big onethat I remember with the 1954.
I want to say 1954.
The engine obviously made heatand it just was not effective in

(15:31):
the cabin.
And then, I believe in 54, theychanged it so that it was quite
effective.
What a workhorse though.
I mean.
My grandparents flew these tothe islands for years and just
beat the hell out of thembasically, and they just took it
.
And I'm not really a fan of theway they look, I'll be honest

(15:55):
with you.
But functional reform sometimesI guess they were really well
balanced, similar to like the1979 Archer and Warrior.
I always come back to that andit's like when you spend so much
time in one airplane or thatyear because we had a 79 Warrior
or 79 Archer, which felt verysimilar in balance, and then we

(16:17):
had an 80, oh, we had two 79Archers and a 79 Warrior, and
then I was flying an 82 Warrioraround the same time and I was
flying a 85 Archer around thesame time and the handling you

(16:38):
could definitely group, separatethe two groups, the prior to
1980 and then the after 1980.
Groups and the handling was just, they destroyed them, in my
opinion, and it's just balancedand from my understanding these
tripacers were all very wellbalanced, Obviously staying in

(17:00):
the CG and stuff.
They were easy to keep balancedand they were very nimble and
forgiving is what I've been told.
I've never flown a tripacer,been in a tripacer.
I know my grandparents likedthem.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Grandpa has that on tombstone, doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
You said my grandma.
My grandma does.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And almost for that reason alone that those two
liked them and they both lovetripacers.
For that reason alone would beenough for me to maybe seek out
an example of one man.
This one has quite a panel.
Did you look at the panel inthis thing?
It's got like glass cockpit.
It's got an iPad mount in themiddle, four flight, a lot of

(17:52):
original instrumentation.
It's got like two Garmin G5s,it looks like, or something like
that.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's definitely upgraded panel.
Yeah, maybe not the way thatyou would do it for most people,
but I mean he was trying tomake it work with him Because
they do have a goofy panel.
It's raised on one side andlower on the other side and has
a manifold pressure gauge which,as most some of you may know,
with a constant speed prop,that's when you have a manifold
pressure gauge and these oldtripacers.
I can't see it in this pictureper se, but I know it's there

(18:25):
over there.
I'm on the right side of thepanel.
It's an odd thing.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Can you see it?
Is that one there?
Okay, yeah, I knew it.
Oh yeah, okay, because itlooked pretty original so I
figured it was still there.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
That's weird for a fixed pitch prop yeah why?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Now would it tell you some things?
Yeah, if you were going to goexperiment, like like a lot of
the Super Cub guys, do you know?
Look, they'll swap props andthey'll, you know, re-re-bend
them to.
You know, be, okay, it's an82-44.
It's an 82-40, you know.
And then you play all thesegames and seeing manifold
pressure can give you some cluesas to is this the right prop?

(19:07):
You know, I get that, but inthis case, I don't I don't
understand the point.
They may have had one back then,I don't know.
Yeah, this looks like thismight be a pretty good example.
I'm not crazy about the scheme,the interior, the side panels
and stuff, but man, all thatstuff can be labor of love over
a course of time.

(19:27):
Yeah, globeswift.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh yeah 1949.
I've never heard of aGlobeswift.
What?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
You seem to have known know about them.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean I don't know that much about them.
You know they originally hadthe Continental O300.
So it's basically an O200 withanother two-cylinder that came
out in the 172, originally theCessna 170, cessna 172.
These had them, obviously a lotof these.

(20:03):
If you were to look at it.
It's a retractable tail wheel,which is a very good thing.
I mean, they're not amazingwith just the 145 horse O300 on
it, but people upgrade them to180 horse Lyke homing.
I guess that they get it prettygood then, but it also have an

(20:25):
overall just a strong grange tobegin with.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
What is this right here?
The?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
vent.
That is a.
Is it a vent?
Is it a vent that is a?
It's like a wing, it's a slat,slat, or a slot.
In that case, that's a slot.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, a slot yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
A slot.
So as you increase the angle ofattack, you now start getting
I'm pointing to my screen likeyou can see it, you start
getting airflow through thatwhich reenergizes that boundary
layer and stops that the outerwhatever the outer outboard
section of the wing fromstalling.
Keeps roll authority and somelift out there, nice.

(21:05):
So it's basically right infront of the aileron.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So it keeps that aileron effective deep into the
stall, and I bet you could gofind out from the forums.
They'll probably tell me I'm anidiot, but that may, that may
allow you to have elevator orroll authority all the way
through the stall.
I have no idea, but so I couldbe totally wrong here.
So I'm looking down at the dataon the engine.

(21:31):
This says it has a continentalC 125, which is 125 horsepower.
I do not know that engine atall.
I have no idea what that engineis.
So I thought they all had 0300sto begin with, which is 145
horse.
They are probably right and Iam probably wrong and maybe this

(21:53):
is just some of them had this,but that's a 49 is kind of in
the year range that I thought.
But either way, a lot of guysupgrade them to a higher output
Lycoming.
If you were to look at thispicture, you can see that this
would be pretty sweet airplanewith a decent amount of power.

(22:14):
Do 140, 150 knots?
Yeah, I mean, they're kind oflike a period.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's got a pretty sweet hanger.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's got a pretty good period looking
airplane for 1949.
It's kind of like what youwould expect.
Yeah, what do you think aboutthat?
Does that kind of fire you up alittle bit, or no?
No, no.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
That didn't do anything for me.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, I just said all that stuff about yeah and they
didn't zero.
For me, Absolutely zero.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, you're at least knowledgeable enough to
understand why someone wouldlike it.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, this does nothing for me, I just.
I mean, I love tail wheel and Ithink they get it pretty good
with like 180 horse Lycoming,but those things are not enough
to make me want it.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I wouldn't spend $35,707 on it.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I wouldn't keep it if you gave it to me.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
No I don't know.
If someone gave it to me, Idon't know I'd probably try it
out for a while.
No, that's what this person did.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
They put it, they got given it and they put it right
on controller for $35,707.
That's what I'd do.
It just I get it.
There is a, not a demand, butthere is a.
You know a group.
There is a cult like followingfor these airplanes.
Limited market, but I can seehow it could be a lot of fun,

(23:52):
has some ramp presence and somesex appeal.
I do, I do get that.
It just it's nothing.
And believe me, I like to gofast as much as anybody else and
I like things that look likethey're going 100 miles an hour
sitting.
Still, I like all that.
They're just something aboutthem that just doesn't.
And if you think, transportyourself back to 1949, think

(24:13):
what this airplane was rollingup on the ramp in 1949.
The person getting out of therewas a badass.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So like for sure you got to think of through the lens
of 1949 and that instantlythinking about that makes me
think it's cooler a little bit.
But for the most part I'm goingto walk right on past all of
these to look at a junkie J3 cup.
That's just me.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, let me see if I can pull it up here.
What is it?
Waco?
Uh-huh?
Yes, I think the great legswere just sweet.
Uh-huh, I'd rock one of those.
There's some.
There's a marketing photo thatI saw the other day that this is

(25:05):
what you're thinking whenyou're thinking that just that
is like it's got a Swiss flag inthe back, but minus the Swiss
flag and the goofy tail number,like that's just like Americana
pilot Uh-huh, only over inSwitzerland right now.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, he's a Swiss American.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, totally, I absolutely.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Like that's back in the day this airplane was where
am I?
Was this yeah, no, no, this,Okay, I'm getting, I got.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I know you got a lot going on over there at the
command center.
Yeah, yeah, no-transcript.
Now, obviously that Waco isbrand new, 400 or 500 grand.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Oh, I would love to, oh, not even close.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
No 700.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I doubt you could get that great legs for that.
I bet you.
They're pushing seven, if I hadto guess.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, you're at the website there, can't you?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
You don't have prices , no prices at all.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
You can go right to the Piper website and it'll give
you prices.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
The reason I was going on this is because they
got the Junkers 50.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
A50 that they're making now Junkers.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Junkers.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's spelled junkers.
No, it's spelled junkers, butyou say Junkers.
I'm almost positive.
Actually, that's worth a lookup, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Okay, no, that's too hard on my head.
So this thing.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Okay, so okay, this is going.
They're selling, like the firstI don't know, 30-ish for like
some something around.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Around 200, right.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I thought I saw Around 200.
Like 190 something.
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure theGreat Lakes is probably double
that and the Waco is probablyover half a million at least, if
not 700, when you option out.
I'm just assuming.
So you get that Okay, but I'drock anything that these guys

(27:03):
like.
This would be cool.
A, because it's new.
It's got a Rotex on it though.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I mean, I'm not anti, I'm not anti Rotex, but I'm not
going to pay 200.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
200 plus grand, oh 200.
That sounds like it should.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, I don't know if I'm.
I don't know if I'd be willingto pay 200 grand plus for
something with a Rotex on itthat I may draw the line
somewhere in there.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And it sounds like garbage.
I just I light sport.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I get, well, I get all that.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm not anti like car engine in an airplane.
I'm not anti jet ski engine inan airplane.
A P 51 basically has a carengine in it but there was a
reduction gearing and that propwas spinning 1900 RPM or
something Slow.
We don't want a high RPM.
We do not want high RPM inairplane engines.

(27:58):
Go look at a V 22 Osprey.
Those rotors are not spinning.
Those things are probablyspinning 1300 RPM or something.
I don't know what helicoptersdo, but it's probably slow.
How, how, how, what are what'srotor speed on a?
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't know Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Slow.
I've got it.
It's slow, less than five hoursOkay, well, that's five more
than me.
It's slow.
You don't want it.
From an efficiency standpointyou definitely don't want fast.
The most efficient prop wecould have is one blade super
long, going super slow and havea big counterweight on the other
end.
And so factor that into allthese things we don't want to.

(28:35):
Now I know there's reductiongearing and stuff like that that
goes through for row taxes andso blade speed is slower by
comparison.
But you have a I don't know ifit's that the, the number of
cylinders times RPM of theengine, if those things are not
quite right to make a morepleasing sound, and I get

(28:56):
function over form Absolutelyall day long.
I just and I appreciate thataspect for sure, but I can't
open that hanger door and knowthat I have that the my dream
airplane emits that kind ofsound.
Is is the only way I can say it.
It's just not natural to mebecause when I think of a lot of

(29:19):
the airplanes that you know wewere talking the other day
radial engines, so distinctive,and if you go to the other end
of spectrum, that's row tax.
So if I know I like radial, I Idon't really see how somebody
can really say row tax is alogical progression Myself this

(29:40):
is, this is Americana, righthere.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Absolutely that thing sounds great.
Oh, you know, this thing soundsgreat.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, yeah, remember we had one of those bass in
Sonusky Remember.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Oh yeah, oh, were you ever able to feel it?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, he always filled it himself.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Because he spent 400 grand on it yeah.
Now I've I heard verychallenging tail wheels to to
land.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I have heard some stories on like the old Waco.
My now my grandpa had a WacoUPF seven you want to pull that
one up, a UPF seven and healways said it was one of the
sweetest airplanes he ever flew.
Really, yeah, my dad just gotone.
Looks just like that blue andyellow one I think I've only

(30:30):
seen it a few times in person,so that red one's fine.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
When did your dad get it?
A couple of years ago.
Okay, nice.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I've never, I've just he just fly it around for fun.
Yeah, See, look how wide thatlanding gear base is on that
blue one If you go hold that upnext to a Stearman kind of that
quintessential, you know biplanethat everybody's familiar with,
and and it's a lot smaller thana Stearman too, which is kind
of weird, but it's smaller andthe the wheel base is so wide.

(30:59):
By comparison it's a lot moreforgiving.
But even still, by people whoare used to flying around a
Champ or a J3, it's just not asforgiving.
I like that blue one.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
This is great looking .

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I tell you why I take that blue one right there.
I even like that paint scheme,I definitely like the blue, and
I'd yank those wheelpans off andI'd fly the dog shit out of
that thing.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I mean wheelpans.
I function reform.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
But I think with see it's open cowl already in this
picture, I would take that.
I would, oh yeah, keep the cowloff, take those wheelpans off
and be like I'm going to use andabuse this thing yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
What do you think of?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
that?
What do you think of the opencowl?
Look and stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I like the open cowl.
Look, they just run an opencowl like that.
Why not?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you can.
I mean I'm sure there is aspeed and performance hit.
Now see, this one's got a woodprop in this picture.
So now we're talking back tothat same.
I mean I get the wood prop, Iwould have to go metal prop, I
might have to go constant speed.
I just can't sign off on man.

(32:17):
That's just me.
That looks like an amazing.
There is something, what's up?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I like that.
This is almost like based offof that, like this new one
they're built.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Absolutely.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, look at the differencein the tail, though I mean that
new one has a much differenttail design to it.
Yeah, I mean, I'd rock a brandnew one, but I'd want to see,
see, look how much cowl that has, and those wheelpans.
I'd take all that stuff offmyself.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh yeah, look at these wheelpans.
These are the new one.
I'm seeing the picture of theold one right now, but yeah,
that's the new one, it's the one.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Okay, but do you go?
You can get those with as muchglass in them as you want.
So how much glass do you put init?
Cockpit wise.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh, I'd have an IFR certified.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh man, you're killing me.
You have IFR certified by.
What you want.
How about floats?
I'll put some floats on thisbad boy.
What?
What does it say?
What sizes are I?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
don't know if I do the flow, as as much as I love
floats, I don't know if I putthem on a walk.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Oh, you're never going to see another one.
I don't know.
Think about that.
You're never going to seeanother one.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I had to yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
All right.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I feel like if it was like my only, like one of my
few airplanes, I might, but if,like, if I had other legit stuff
I could use for sea plane apps,like if I had a 206 on an
amphibious floats, I would notput them on my Waco.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But what if you had them on your Waco first?
Somehow you got given hold on,let's put it this way, you were
given oh, I would rock this sohard.
And then when you go by your206, that's gotta be a $700,000
plus.
Oh, with the floats, yeah, Iwould have had a $200,000 set of
floats.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Whatever they're using, I guess I don't know, are
those wind lines.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I was hoping you could maybeclick or find it on there
because I'm beyond curious atthis point.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I was looking pretty intensely at Waco's aircraftcom
a couple of weeks ago for that,among some other stuff, and I
couldn't find that.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
All right, so let me, let me, let me pose this
question to you.
You win in a sweepstakes a thatWaco with those floats.
Oh, I'm keeping the floats onto that point, okay, but the
real question is you were goingto, next week, put an order in
for a Cessna 206.
Do you still get the floats?

(34:50):
See what I mean.
Well, that's if you already havethat, you can't sell it.
You are married to that Wacosomehow, but now you still need
something to go somewhere orwhatever.
You know what.
You want more than two, twopeople Now in that Waco, ymf

(35:10):
five.
You can put two people in thefront, so it is a three person
airplane.
But you want to do more thanthat.
You want to take four or five,six people.
Do you still do the two of sixon floats on amphibes?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I probably still do two of six on floats.
If I had, I had a plan to getback and forth from South
Florida to Northern Ohio.
If you.
I didn't have a plane that wasgood for doing that.
I'd probably just use the twoof six.
I wouldn't want floats on itbecause I would just kill your
time even more.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, kill everything , yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, but if I had another plane that could do that
better than a 206 withoutfloats, I would throw floats on
a 206 as well as that.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So living down South Florida here, yeah, there's a
lot of cool stuff you can dowith a couple of sea planes.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, I mean the Waco with the floats is kind of a
kind of makes it pointless.
But also, I mean you want totalk about like an airplane you
go somewhere, everybody will go,look at that plane.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're never going to go
anywhere and see you haveanother one, you know.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
But I don't know if that's enough, if that concept
there is enough to give me thatpride and ownership, when the
lines of it are just sobeautiful without the floats
Like maybe the floats almostdestroy it.
I don't know, I don't know, notthat it's ever going to be a
factor for me, but I just havethis thing that right now I'm

(36:48):
thinking I just don't want twonights of an airplane ever,
because then all I do is worry.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Oh, I want.
If I just had one, I'd worry.
I'd like to have somethingthat's like exceptional that I
don't fly that often.
Fair weather, flying only.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, that Waco certainly would do that for you.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
But IFR though really .
Oh yeah, why?
Because I just I loveinstrumentation.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
All right.
More info, the better Basic VFRfor me oh.
I don't know Really Somethinglike an option to Super Cub.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, if I had one option like that, I would love
flying it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you See.
Yeah, that's how I'm talkingabout those steam gauges.
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Nice action shot.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's a great shot, all right, moving on.
Nobody knows what we're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Nope, this is a guanrumblecom.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh, is it Flash for aim?
Oh, okay, I didn't know how youwere supposed to know.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
This episode is a lot better with the video component
link in the show descriptionbelow.
If you're listening to this onaudio, this is one that's
probably definitely worth goingover to the video one.
This we have a SESN 150.
For 37,000, they're asking fora 74.

(38:30):
I mean, I wouldn't choose thatcolor and stuff, but it looks
like it's got new paint, whichis good.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Interior still very rough and it looks like it is.
Where did I see?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
it.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's over TBO.
It's over.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
TBO.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, 2100 cents major overall.
So the engine shot on it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
So you're paying 37 grand and then you instantly
have to put 20 grand on theengine, if you can even do an
0200 for 20 grand anymore.
So that's a 57, but it stillruns strong.
That's what it says in the.
Even though the engine is overTBO, it still runs strong.
This aircraft would be a goodtime builder.
Yes, but you instantly.

(39:14):
It's 300 hours over TBO.
The 0200 is on an 1800 hourengine.
It has 2100 hours on it.
So not to mention what's theinsurance going to say.
If there's ever anything thathappens with that engine and you
park it in a field or you dowhatever, what's the insurance
going to say you ran it over TBO.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Are you flying?
Why are you even flying this?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
So yeah, all things to consider, but I mean this yes
, 37 to buy an engine or anairplane that you have to
picture doesn't have an enginebolt to the front of it, Because
that engine, like you've said,is shot, it instantly needs to
come off and get sent out.
Or you need to buy another oneto swap out and whatever, do

(40:03):
your thing.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's worth whatever the core is worth on something
like that.
Yeah, it's a running core atthat point.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Right and I mean this is not a high time but it's not
low time.
So I mean I don't think it wastoo used and abused as a trainer
, but 5400 hours I mean overall.
Yeah, it wouldn't be my choice.
It's pretty original in termsof interior, exterior.
Maybe exterior was repaintedbasically to the original.
It looks definitely Scheme,yeah, but which I mean looks

(40:33):
okay in these pictures.
But I mean I would just factorin that overhaul being 20 grand
right now.
So this is basically a $60,000Cessna 150.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, that was well for Scott's plane.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah Well, I mean, yeah, the more of these that are
out there, the more it helpshim.
We shouldn't say that too loud.
It might give him ideas to sell.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, no, we don't want him selling.
No, none of us will have anairplane.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Right, man, I'm, I'm, I do it won't?
It won't be too long, man, I'mhoping.
I'm hoping 2025 or so, I don'tknow what I'm getting, but won't
be anything that fun.
But the 172.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So this is the cheapest 172 we've seen.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, this is the first one,37,226.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's obviously converted from Canadian dollars.
Yeah, it's like I'm not excitedabout it.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I said I'm not super excited about it Well, the 172.
I mean for that price point toI don't know in this market.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
So this, this is not old but it's not new.
This is pretty close to whenthey went from the straight tail
172s to the to.
You know this more swept tailthat we're more used to now.
This has the 0300 on it, Ibelieve.
Yes, it does, cause you canlook.
If you were to look at a a noseon shot, you can see it has two

(42:07):
widely spaced exhaust stacks.
And another telltale sign Ifyou don't have that, which was
my first giveaway, is they alltend to have a different spinner
than than most.
Those 0300, uh, continental do0300.
So it's a 145 horsepower.
This one looks like it may havea climb prop on it.

(42:30):
Um, I think it was so in the old300s.
I don't want to bash it.
They're, from my understanding,a very smooth running engine.
They don't.
I mean, it's kind of a, youknow, 145 horse.
So maybe a little underpoweredum can compare to most.
But you have to remember theseold airframes are much lighter
than the new ones.

(42:50):
There was less sound deadening,there was less just, uh, the
the poultry just was not asrobust and built on, you know,
opulence.
Um, the equipment was moresparse.
The airframes just tend to belighter back in the day.
So if you were like reallybeing nerd like I do, and get
out your calculator and be like,okay, this is my horsepower,

(43:11):
this is my basic empty weight,or whatever, and start doing you
know horsepower per pound, youknow power to weight ratio,
basically this won't fare as asbad as you would think it would,
even though, like a new one, is160, 180 horse and this is only
145,.
They don't fare as bad as youwould think they would, just

(43:31):
because the airframes are solight.
I'm just scrolling throughpictures here, it's got kind of
a lot of equipment that probablyall that stuff I just said
might not be accurate becauseit's got a bunch of old radios
and stuff in it.
So this one would needbasically some gutting and some
radios.
It's kind of old ADF and youknow which, almost useless.

(43:53):
Well, not almost it is.
Maybe that's not an ADF, Idon't know what that is, but it
needs to go.
Maybe it is an.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
ADF when.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
All the way to the far right.
I can't tell what that thing is.
It's got a navcom, a KX170Bnavcom, which people are
probably familiar with.
Um, it's still got scrollydigits, so it's very old school,
but they work really good andthen like a KX76 or KT76.
You're talking about this righthere.
Yeah, that guy there.
Yeah, I can't.

(44:23):
It looks like an ADF to me, Iknow but I don't see the actual
radio head for that.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
No, they don't show it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And they may have taken that out and left that in.
I have no idea.
But yeah, it looks like an ADFto me, but looks big and it's
old.
That means it's heavy, so thatmeans we need to get rid of it,
in my opinion.
So just things to consider.
But yeah, this would beprobably not bad for a time

(44:53):
builder.
What do we look at?
Engine specs, all right.
So no, look at this one thisway over.
Tbo 2165, even worse than thelast one.
So, and even if that wasn't thecase, it was overhauled in 1986
.
So those two components rightthere.
this is.
I mean at least there's someairframe value in this one,

(45:18):
unlike the 150.
There's some airframe valuehere.
So I would I mean you're stillpaying basically 60 grand for
this airplane, but you got afour place airplane.
So in the other talk we werelooking at a $60,000 150 a
second ago.
So this, this is dramaticallymuch more in the ballpark.

(45:42):
I would still say it's high.
Yeah, yeah, this I mean.
Yeah, you got to talk them downat least 10.
Yeah, what do you have that?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
That shot motor yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Which I mean I suppose I would probably stick
with this motor, this 0300.
But yeah, you definitely needto get overhauled.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah.
Man that's people are justgetting rid of their.
Getting rid of the planeinstead of overhaul yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Because they didn't budget these costs.
That's why I go crazy aboutthese spreadsheets, because
these things sneak up on you,you know, and even if you can
keep going along and buildinghours with it over TBO, that's
fine and that can happen, butyou have you take to the wrong
mechanic one time, not the wrongmechanic, but a mechanic that

(46:34):
is like your compression you got.
You need to, you need to topoverhaul this at the least, and
even though, yeah, it's not afull overhaul, that is still
significant expense that youweren't budgeting for.
Oh, yeah, you need to budget asthough you're so like, let's
say how do I say it, becausethis is kind of weird context,

(46:56):
this is something I always usedto say You're either paying for
the original or paying for itsreplacement.
You never stop saving.
So like, let's say, you get acar and you pay it off, you've
got to keep basically savingthat same monthly payment or
some concept of this, becauseeventually that car is going to
be used up and then, when you goand need a new one, you have a

(47:21):
pile of money where you buy thenew one with.
So, just because you don't owethe bank anything for that
engine, for that airframe,whatever, you need to keep
budgeting and building up that,that engine reserve.
So when you do need a new onewhich hopefully is later rather
than sooner, but you don't knowthat compression can be a

(47:43):
surprise Well, seem to run finewhen I brought it in here.
Shouldn't be, you know,shouldn't be a problem.
Well, it's.
Yeah, it's 50 over 80 on allfour cylinders and it's like
well, now, what do I do?
You know what's the reason?
What am I going to have to doto give myself confidence in
this engine again?
Is that just the top overall?
I know that's what they'resaying, that's all I need, but I

(48:04):
put my family in this airplane.
What is going to give meconfidence in this engine again?
That's something I think needsto be definitely given some
thought.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
I've got a 1966 Piper Cherokee.
I'll figure we'll end this listup here.
When we get to the bottom ofthis page, we won't click next
again.
Okay, but this is certainly onethat you know a little bit
about.
Looks like it's just asking$37,986.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
It's up in Canada.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Let's go straight to the 1862.1 since major overall.
This is less than 200 hours outfrom needing an overhaul.
Yeah, so I mean that's in thegrand scheme of things.
It's not as bad as the otherones, but you're basically

(49:01):
looking at a new engine herepretty soon.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, in the engine notes here it says 485 hours
since the top overall, meaningthey just did cylinders and then
they did the 160 horsepowerconversion which changed it from
an O3, troni, e2d which wascommon back then I believe
that's a narrow deck engine toan E3D.
That's the 160 horse conversion.

(49:25):
These 140, 150, 160 horsepower.
Oh no, I'm sorry, e2d wouldhave been a 150.
Yeah, Whatever.
Yeah, I don't know shit, butthese old Cherokees I'm just not
a fan of.
They are light, they are prettybalanced.

(49:46):
I don't like the steering.
I think the steering is toodirty.
The one I fly it's 180 horse,but it's a 1966, just like this.
And I tell you what man you knowflying.
When I fly for a day job andyou go get in this thing, I mean
the steering is very dirty butthey are nimble.

(50:07):
They are well balanced, theyare, relatively speaking, fun to
fly and the part of weightratio is good I wish this one
had.
Does this one have any weightsto it?
No, I don't see.
These are just like I wastalking about with that other
172.
These later ones they're justlight.

(50:27):
I mean the basic empty weighton these is just so light
compared to the numbers peopleare used to thinking about.
Now.
You know you're probably savingjust a shot in the dark.
You're saving probably 100 and150 pounds.
Where all that comes from, Idon't know and maybe just feels
like it's that much lighter.
But I don't remember offhandwhat ours is, but I definitely

(50:52):
know it's lighter than averageit was.
It's roughly the same weight.
The 180 horse Cherokee that Ifly from 1966 is roughly the
same weight as the 1979 warriorthat I did a lot of my original
flight instructing in.
So now you're talking 160 horseand now it's got 180 horse, but

(51:15):
it weighs the same.
Typically when you graduate froma warrior to an archer and gain
that horsepower, you gain someweight as well.
Just an interior appointments,instruments year.
Whatever, you end up gainingweight while you gain the
horsepower.
In this case, you've gained thehorsepower without gaining the
weight and it's a very goodperformer.

(51:36):
Um, actually, the other day Iwas coming.
I had a double trip to theisland.
I did one trip dropped off, myin-laws went back to get my wife
and kids.
On the way back I was doing 151knots ground speed in 180 horse
Cherokee.
I know people see stuff likethat all the time.
I was at 3000 feet.
I mean that was booking.

(51:58):
I was impressed, rob.
You don't see none impressed,tailwind.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I just think there's a tailwind.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
There is a tailwind, but a 30 knot tailwind at 3000
feet.
In the summer that's not supernormal, but okay, okay, rob, now
it's more like a 40 knot,because that's only like 112
knot airplane at down low,that's okay.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
This was I don't know .
I don't think I'm excited overthat one.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I see that.
I see that.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I'm just going to see .

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'm going to grab a beer.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Okay, grab it.
2021 Vans RV 9 alpha with nophoto, but it's $40,000.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
2021 Vans RV 9 alpha it's $40,000.
No photo.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So 9A means it has a nose gear.
A straight nine would be a tailwheel.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
So Scott would say they put the gear in the right
spot.
Is the A?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Okay, I don't agree with him tails, old time in Los
medical, while building an RV 9a now must sell empanage.
So the tail and fuselagepartial assembled, wing kit in
crates.
So You're building yeah, I meanyou're finishing the rest, the
airplane.
This is probably the trifectaof suck when it comes to buying

(53:41):
an airplane you have to not onlyInspect the work that the
original person has done, butnow you got to build the rest of
it as well.
And yeah, and maybe I guess,maybe not the trifecta, that'd
be the by-fecta but you have tomaybe redo some of the work they
did.
You got to figure out wherethey left off, what exactly the

(54:04):
steps were, kind of around there, and backtrack and make sure
they did the, at least figureout where they stopped, exactly
where they stopped.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
This is.
No thanks.
It's one of those things whereit's potentially a good deal If,
like you or somebody who isjust You've been researching
building an RV 9a for years now,yeah, and it's just a little
bit out of your price range.

(54:36):
You it's just the money holdingyou back, and and then this
pops up.
Maybe that's like, oh my gosh,this is a better price and a
little bit of the work's donefor me already.
Maybe you instantly look at itand know what's going on,
because I've been researchingthis.
Yeah like extensively the pastfew years.

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Yeah, that's, that's.
That's who's potentially buyingthis.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, maybe in a nine and I'm kind of out of the loop
with the van stuff Recently.
I know there are some newmodels but I'm not up on all the
different ones.
But a nine would be a great one.
You know it's not the hardcoreaerobatic and stuff.
It's more of a Land slow,cruises, fast, comfortable, you
know it's got longer wings, it'smore docile.

(55:24):
Side by side it's like an RVsix but geared more for an RV
seven.
Rather a six would have beenthe older one, but an RV seven
that's geared a lot more forcruising.
It's like the GT variant.
Right, it's a grand tour, notlike a track.
You know Skelpel, you know it'sa lot more docile.
Handling is a lot more, from myunderstanding, just forgiving.

(55:47):
You know it's not made to go dohardcore aerobatics but they
cruises fast the other ones butthey have nice long wings.
I believe that up the shave isa little bit off the the stall
speed.
They're just more Efficientwith the longer wings, you know
aspect ratio and all that kindof stuff, but just a lot, of, a
lot better for cruising.
Rv nine that would that would bea tough one to pass up.

(56:09):
I don't like that.
It's got the.
Well, I'm not into this wholekit thing.
Anyways, you're building inhalf-assembly.
I figure out where you are,figure out and make sure they
did it right and you got tofinish the rest.
I'm just not into it.
But a nine if we're justtalking about buying Vans, rvs,
nine would be a tough one topass up.
Not an a, I wouldn't do an abut.

(56:30):
I.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I just wouldn't be into it.
If I'm not, I have to build.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
If I'm building something, I want to build it
all the way through well, if I'mbuilding one of these, I want
to go to the Factory and buildit with.
Somebody builds them all daylong.
That's what I want to do.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Oh yeah, and come back two or three weeks later
with a perfectly basically afactory airplane, you know.
Yeah, 1946 a ronka 7ac champ.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
That's a good-looking airplane of the ones that we
have seen.
As much as I have dist onchamps here in this episode.
Other than the 2j3s, for maybe22 each, this is this is this is
the one that I'm that I'mtaking home so far you see, even

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the guy in the hangar.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
He's looking over at it.
Well, he knows a photo is beingtaken.
He's just like I can't keep myeyes off it.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Is that what he's doing?
Sit in front of his t6 TexanLooks good.
I mean.
I think the paint job is niceand understated.
Others is stoppery in the backof the hangar.
Oh yeah, looks like a good propis on here.
I'm sure there won't be anydetails.
Man, you, when you look at theinterior shots of these champs,

(57:48):
just look, and I think it's theway they took this picture makes
it look like extra wide angle.
But, man, I mean you can justsee the difference in the space
you have in this versus a j3.
I mean is just oh yeah.
I mean it looks like a benchseat, looks like two people sit
there, and I think it's theangle that they took, this or
whatever that.

(58:08):
However, they did it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
But it's still the.
Why don't?
The satabrias are comfortable.
I've never been a champ.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's the same same thing, same concept.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, I mean there just a gentleman's airplane
right.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, they got an oleo strut.
You know where the J3 has thebungee cords.
You know there's actually likerubber bands and the landing
gear, and that's true of a lotof even the tripacers, that's
true of a lot of them.
They don't have a spring steelgear like so many people are
used to.
They have an oleo strut.
These old champs will champs,have an oleo strut, so it can be

(58:45):
a little bit discounted.
The first time I flew a champ I, just like I had no idea what
to expect, is a little windierthat day, probably shouldn't
have flown it, especiallywithout any.
Nobody checked me out.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I air flying time in it.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Nobody checked me out in it.
Yeah, dude's like I just gonnatake it around like okay, you.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
You out of anybody I know, except for maybe other
people with your same last namehave just Jumped in so many
planes with no training.
Just the others are like ohyeah, take it for a spin if you.
Yeah your last name is Griffin.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, right, right, right, yeah, and I mean it was.
You know, I did two or threelandings with it and it was.
It was different.
It was definitely a differentfeel to the landing versus the
directness, the firmness of theJ3.
When that gear is down in theJ3 it is planted like there's no
slop in it.
There's some shock absorption,but that's it.

(59:42):
You're very directly connectedwith this.
They were kind of like stagesand To the landing.
You know you're rolling on thetire but then you're collapsing.
That oleo strut that somepeople are familiar with, with
pipers and whatnot, and most,most airplanes have oleo struts,
just not back.
You know, these types of things, these, I mean these champs are

(01:00:04):
a good bang for the buck.
Now, this one at 41.5, not sogood bang for the buck, but it
does seem to be a really niceexample.
This one says has an 0200.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I don't mind that engine, same one as I had before
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
The 0200 be a great engine for that ice, ice maker,
but yeah, well, so with the C85,or this one originally came
with a 65, I believe, and thoseall make ice just like an 0200.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, higher time motor 1551 since major.
Has an electrical system.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I'd yank that Electric start, yank that, yank
the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I keep pulling this photo up right here, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Well, it's that American flag, man, it's an
American flag.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Well, yeah, that that's awesome, obviously, but
then it's right next to theSatabria there and you just like
, my eye just keeps Gravitating.
I'm looking at the Satabria thewhole time, even though you can
hardly see it back here,satabria.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I mean, if you get the 0 235, which probably most
people wouldn't want to do, theywant the power, a Satabria
would be awesome.
Yeah, you go get a 160 horseSatabria.
That answer you know.
I mean, I think those do like130 miles an hour, which is like
Probably hundred and elevenhundred and ten knots.

(01:01:29):
I wish I was better at math.
I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Would.
I would consider owning aSatabria.
I just I like them.
One thirteen that was my secondguess.
I Like those planes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
All right, let's continue on through the list
fire away.
Try to get to the end of thefirst page and wrap this up.
And who know?
150, 1972.
Let's see what the stats are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Real quick on this and this takes a long time to
get.
Make sure we're not 3400,that's not bad.
No total time.
Yep, yep, oh 1800.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Since mm-hmm.
What's SCMOH?
Where's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
that, oh, since complete major overall Does, I
haven't, doesn't matter howthorough it was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
It was 1800 hours ago .

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
But it was complete.
Oh, canada, oh, since Canadianmajor overall, maybe I'm, I
don't know, it's special.
They do think special up there,I don't know special over
Canadian over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Because that looks beautiful wherever it is
hangered.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yes, that does look like a good spot.
It looks like a nice qualityhanger too.
But yeah, what I don'tunderstand.
So if you look at the engine,here it says continental and
that says engine horsepower134.1.
I Don't know I'm looking up atI don't see.
It says with a strong engine.

(01:02:58):
Here it is a low time, 150 Lwith a strong engine, like Do
you put the thing in a dyno?
Or I mean engine is runningstrong also under 70 80.
I have no idea why they putengine horsepower there.
It doesn't make any sense.
I don't know if that, who knows?
yeah but um 3400, 1800 hour.

(01:03:19):
We're running the same problemwith everything.
They want 42 grand for theairplane as it sits and you got
to put an engine on it in 200hours, if not immediately.
It's an it's in Calgary, so formost of you know we're gonna
put 100 hours on it just gettingit home wherever you live in
the United States.

(01:03:40):
So it's like, yeah, in likehalf of the country got to fly
across some form of Rockies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I'm looking yeah, I'm looking at how they they're
going in in depth about all themotor stuff, saying how great it
is, even though it's got 800motor.
I'm thinking like, okay, so allof that means I, like, can
probably get it back tosomewhere when they're gonna do
a major over exactly, yeah,right, we're right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I can hopefully Get it home.
That would be great, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Love to Canada, this Canada.
Any numbers in their tailnumbers they have up here to
help see Charlie, golf, zulu,alpha, kilo.
Yeah, they have the phoneticalphabet of their tail number
just because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Where I didn't.
I don't see that.
Where is it at?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It's over.
If you look at the screen here,it's on the top.
Oh Wow, on the panel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
They actually have it spelled out what to say?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Wow Well what a pain in the butt compared to us tail
numbers they got to do up there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, that would be terrible.
That would be terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I get depending on the letter combo.
It's kind of a pain the buttFor me to say two letters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Well, so so here's.
Here's a fact.
As far as I know, all Canadianairplanes Start with CG or CF.
So they're all Charlie golf,zulu alpha kilo in this case, or
Charlie Foxtrat, zulu alphakilo.
The first two are always eitherEither CG or CF, as far as I

(01:05:25):
know.
So you could probably get awaywith Zulu alpha kilo most of the
time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, but I don't know.
I like Preferably all numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I like having a letter, but yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, this is a pass Out of the ones we've seen, even
though it needs a new enginebecause they all need new
engines.
This is the lowest time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
This is the only one that's not over major.
So if I had to choose betweenthe three to then put a bunch
more money into to make my dream150, probably the one I'd
choose, but not saying it's agreat buy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I don't think it is.
But I mean also, I am oldschool, I'm thinking of what
prices were.
I mean I got to face realityand be like.
Airplanes I don't want costmore than I can afford.
That's just the way it is.
All the airplanes that I do notlike are more than I can afford
.
So when we finally get to theairplanes that I do like, it is

(01:06:40):
completely out of the question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, that's.
The goal of this was to try toget to see the price range of
where we were.
When we started to see stuff weactually thought was sweet.
We're not there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
We're not there yet.
No, we're not even close.
Yeah right, exactly Now.
I haven't looked ahead, so Idon't know what's coming next,
so I don't know what the next.
Yeah, we're on the Grumman now,but this Grumman American, but
I don't know what comes afterthis.
I'm just taking it as it comes,but Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
We're at $43,500 with this 1971 Grumman American
General AA1A.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I believe that had what's called a Grumman.
There were several versions ofthis that are basically all very
similar and I don't know thedifferences, but there's a
Grumman traveler and a GrummanYankee and I don't know what all
the oh.
They got LEDs on it, apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
That's a first.
If you're watching a video,it's inside the hangar in the
dark with the lights on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, it's like the first time you got a lightsaber
that lit up when you were a kidand you had to go into the
bathroom, close the door withall the lights off and swing
that thing around.
Yep, that's what they just didthere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yep Spins are prohibited.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
What's that Spins?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Spins are prohibited in this aircraft.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, what do we got on time though?
878, since major.
It's got a 2000-hour TBO.
I believe this has an 0235,just like the traveler and the
Yankee, and somebody can correctme if I'm wrong it's got the
ADS-B out.
So I mean and these are prettyquick all things considered, I

(01:08:29):
ferried one of these back in theday but it had 100.
So it's a two-place airplane, Ibelieve this is If I'm accurate
at all on what I'm saying.
It is a two-place, but I can'tfind a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, Anyways, I think it's two-place.
I believe it's a two-place.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Okay, I mean they're kind of small.
I don't know what the grossweight and all that stuff is off
hand, but they're pretty small.
They're in the realm of like1700, 1800, maybe 1650, 1600 for
the max takeoff weight.
But the one I ferried had 160horse on it, so it was basically
like the 150-150 concept 150horsepower system 150.

(01:09:16):
But these are a lot moreaerodynamic than a system.
150 is this thing?
I don't remember off hand, butit climbed pretty good not as
good as you would think, butpretty good.
And you know what?
Here's another one.
I'd never flown one of theseeither, Didn't even get checked
out.
Guy sent me over there to bringit home, Just went and ripped

(01:09:38):
it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I mean, if I was sending somebody to pick up some
random plane to fly back for,I'd probably choose you out of
the people I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, yeah, so I did, but that was one of my stories
where.
So where was this one?
Out of Somewhere in Eastern NewYork?
And I took a GPS with me andthere was like an old grayscale

(01:10:09):
like a Garmin 195, 196.
I don't know which one wasgrayscale or which one was, it
doesn't really matter, but I hadtwo of them.
I had mine and then the backupthat was in the plane, which
obviously would have beenquestionable to begin with.
Neither one of them worked.
I don't remember why, butneither one of them worked.
There was an outdated sectionalin the plane and I used a
sectional to get back from whichisn't that far Eastern New York

(01:10:33):
, to Ohio, North Central Ohio,not that big of a deal, but you
don't want to bust the airspace.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
You told this story on the show before.
Yeah, they'll always keep asectional with you.
This type of airplane.
This was the airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, this type of airplane is what I was flying
when I came back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, out of everything we've seen, this
doesn't seem like a bad buy,especially if you like Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Especially if I like.
What Ukraine?
Why the blue and yellow?
The Ukrainian flag colors?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, you think this one would be selling like
hotcakes right now?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, that was a former Ukrainian trainer, just
get rid of the red and whitestripe on the tail, yeah.
And the spinner, the redspinner.
You don't want that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Yeah, I mean these are definitely the Grummans.
I mean that's not my cup of tea, but they certainly like.
If you were like back in theday you'd get like a late 70s
Grumman Tiger or whatever.
That'd be kind of theequivalent to a Piper Archer.
I mean they're doing like 10knots faster on the same
horsepower.
They're both tricycle gear,fixed gear, fixed pitch, all

(01:11:45):
that stuff, but they're getting10 knots out of it.
I mean that's kind of cool thatthey eat that much out of it on
the same horsepower.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I just I think I'm biased against them because
every single one I've ever seenbeen in or flown has just been
ratted out, and this isobviously I'm going to the
interior right now is noexception to this rule.
I found I feel like, in theory,hypothetically, if it was like

(01:12:15):
a totally plush thing, maybeI'll have a different opinion on
Grumman, but just every singleone of them I've ever been
exposed to has been rough aroundthe edges or more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, and I don't know why that is.
I mean it just doesn't makesense.
I mean the people that I knowthat have had them.
Like it's such a they're intoit, like they're into, like oh
yeah.
Okay, I got a four placeairplane that was cheap and goes
10 knots faster than a PiperArcher.

(01:12:54):
That does all the same stuff,but we do 10 knots faster.
They're into all that stuff andthey buy into it, but just
somehow they just don't reallyupdate them at the same pace as
people update other stuff likeother aircraft types.
Yeah, it just yeah.
It does kind of boggle the minda little bit.
I don't know, I wouldn't behappy to see one in my hanger,

(01:13:18):
so I don't think I think it's apass.
That one's a pass for me aswell.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I would pass on it personally.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
All right next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
This is the 1976 system 150, which is the exact
same year model of my previousairplane, yes 44.5.
So this is somewhat Stuart,South Florida here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, 9,000 hours of total time on it.
Total time 1100 cents or 711since major overhaul by popular
growth.
That's a reputable engine shopso I can certainly appreciate
that it's a pass just byairframe time.
Now, if we're thinking kind ofthe way we started out, the kind

(01:14:06):
of the premise is you've madethe decision that you want to
basically buy an airplane, buildyour time in and then move on
and you're not the type ofperson who will form an
attachment or has that pride andjoy, or it doesn't start out as
your pride and joy but beforeyou know it is your pride and

(01:14:26):
joy and then you're whatever.
If you're not at risk of any ofthat, this is not an airplane
to.
If you're easily susceptible,correct me, tell me what you
think about this.
Rob, correct me if I'm wrong.
If you are the type of personwho is susceptible to, it's my
first airplane, so it'sautomatically my pride and joy,
even if it's a piece of shit.
This is not the airplane to buy.

(01:14:46):
If you can stay detached andbuild your time so you can go to
the airlines or get yourcommercial because you need the
250 hours or you know you wantto go through Fast Track and
build that time and you want tobuy this and it's got impeccable
logbooks, which it probablydoes, then I'm okay with it.

(01:15:10):
Where are you at?
What do you think, rob?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Yeah, I think you could probably buy this thing,
throw 500 hours on it and getout of it not to unscathed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, yeah.
I think you got maybe 900 hoursthat you want to put on this
thing because you probably wantto be getting rid of this thing
before it's got 10,000 on it fora bunch of reasons.
There's obviously thepsychological impact of it

(01:15:42):
rolling over 10,000 hours whenyou go to sell it.
There's something about that.
9,000 is astronomical to me.
None of my dream airplanes thisside of a Dehevelin Beaver have
9,000 hours on it that I wouldentertain buying Now in a King
Air, in a citation in a jet atransport jet 9,000 hours is

(01:16:04):
typical.
You're flying longer legs.
I mean, that's what they'redesigned to do In these
airplanes.
9,000 hours at 100 miles anhour is like I don't know 50
billion light years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Imagine the amount of landings from students on this
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
If you think now, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of
cross-country time, but oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
How many people since 1976 have botched a landing
learning how to land on thisthing?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Countless.
If we think so, at 4,500 hoursof that, I don't even know how
to do this.
Yeah, that's one.
I mean you probably havebetween 50 and 60 thousand

(01:17:01):
landings on that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
No, I was gonna say average of.
I would just say double thetime by 20,000 landings at least
.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Yeah, I don't know, are you basically?

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
you got time when you're going up doing maneuvers
and stuff and then obviouslywhen you're back in the pad or
doing some of those hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
All right.
So how many landings you thinkyou can get in an hour?
If that's what you're doing isjust take off landings, Then you
get one every tenth of an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I'd say seven landings an hour seven landings.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
If you got, if you got a clear, it's not a busy
airport, you got so I took theairframe time divided by two
said 4500, and I just times thatby 10, which is 45,000.
Okay, so you're gonna do a timeseven.
Okay that's 31 five.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah, you're probably right, it's fine and either way
, yeah, that's what you'relooking at when you look at that
now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
It's a simple airframe spring steel gear,
obviously very, very forgivingand all you're gonna do it's
again.
We are talking about it from apride and joy standpoint.
That was like our Initial likething was like if you can stay
detached and you're just gonnaput a heart landings on it, just
like everybody else did, andbuild up to 800, 900 hours on it

(01:18:25):
and then try and get rid of itbefore it hits 10,000, do it.
This is a greater.
I mean 44.
Five is expensive, but you onlygot 700 on the overhaul, which
means you have another thousandhours from an engine standpoint
that you can put on it and beConfident.
You know that it's gonna beokay.
Should be confident, obviously,if everything continues to

(01:18:49):
check out, obviously all thenormal stuff right.
But yeah from an airframestandpoint.
The total time in the airframeYou're at nine, so you have a
little bit of a mismatch.
You know you want to probablygo by the airframe time.
Well, you have a little bit ofengine time but, with all that
being said, 44, 5 the way Ithink about it, that seems steep

(01:19:13):
with having this kind ofairframe time.
But what do I know?
I know somebody just sold onefor 45 grand and it had a
Probably maybe 150 hours on anoverhaul.
150 hours on an overhaul Called200 on the high side it wasn't

(01:19:37):
200, but let's call it 200 hoursin the overhaul and 6,000 hours
on the airframe, sold for 45.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
So that would have been a better buy than this
would have been a better buy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Newer paint, good paint, yeah, yeah, lots of, lots
of you know, I don't know, andthis being a newer one is nice,
because the other one wasscatter panel, because it was a
68 or something.
But I mean, there's somegive-and-take, but if you're
just gonna beat this up likeeverybody else did, probably
fine.
44, 5 is maybe a bit more thanI, than I would spend for that

(01:20:16):
reason, but that's all.
Hey, I'm gonna go to ATP, I'mgonna do an embryo or whatever,
and you start looking with thosecosts per hour.
That obviously starts shiftingyou towards this making more
sense.
But that's a.
If you're gonna go to a localOther flight school and spend
those, that money on those hours, that that would probably shift

(01:20:38):
back towards more.
Just spend the money at theflight school.
You know, if you're just tryingto get through, you know
private, instrument, commercialor something.
But if you're talking, you'regoing somewhere and you're
spending $250 an hour and allthat kind of stuff, this, this
can make sense Because, remember, you don't, you're not, you're
yeah, 44, 5, that's what thebank is gonna loan, is gonna
loan you, and you make thepayment To the bank.

(01:21:00):
You can only pay if you'retrying to build 500 hours of
flight time and You're justgonna fly this thing.
You're making a monthly payment, regardless of the hours you
put on it, so Obviously have torecoup your money.
I think everybody sees where I'mgoing with this.

(01:21:20):
I don't know how to articulateit correctly, but you're not
gonna pay the whole 44 5.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, you're responsible forwhen you go to sell it, but if
you could be close to you seewhat I'm saying around, you know
what I'm trying to say.
Like you didn't have 44 5 inthe bank and you dropped it on
this plane, the bank did.

(01:21:41):
So you're gonna pay X number,like it cuz.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I don't like that well of course I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I know you're saying, yeah, you're gonna spend two
years, three years worth ofpayments on this not 44,000, 500
dollars worth of payments, buttwo, three years of it and Then,
if you can get close to that,then you can really look at what
your cost to accrue those hourswas.
And it's a lot less than 44 5.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Pass for me, though I wouldn't even entertain it 140
Cherokee 1974 Up in canadia.
Did you mind if we change thisup.
Can we, can we maybe fastscroll?
I mean, Okay.
I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Zenith.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Zenith.
Yeah, zen.
Air Zenith 96 44,900 low time.
I Don't even know if those, Idon't know if this is certified.
I don't know any of that stuffon these things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Yeah, this is a 1971 sesta 150, 3900.
Total time 400 cents.
Major okay, 45,000.
This is starting to look like amuch better deal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
That's, that's getting better.
The paint looks better.
Everything looks better on thisbaby.
Yeah, how's our panel?
Look, though, I think it'sstill gonna have a scatter panel
.
Do you got any?
What we got?
Yeah, still a little bit.
Oh no, yeah, that's pretty mucha normal configuration.

(01:23:21):
Yeah, that's, that's get that'sgetting there terrible.
That's a little rough.
That's a little rougher than Iwould like, but just depends on
what you're, what you're goingfor, if you are, if, just look
at the contrast.
This is a.
This is a little bit older, butmuch lower time.
You even have more room on theoverhaul.

(01:23:43):
That is a much better buy foryour time building.
You are an extra 500 bucks,yeah, and this is what you can
go put some hours on this andturn around and sell what you
paid it for.
The other one, you're upagainst the wall on both
airframe time and engine time.
Can you do it, maybe?
This one there's room.

(01:24:06):
This one there's room a lotmore confidence getting this one
.
What's that I?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Would have a lot more confidence purchasing this one
over the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
We discovered 150, yeah you can go, but build your
500 hours or whatever on thisone.
Turn around and sell what youpaid for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Or if you fall in love with this.
This is your first yearplanning.
Keep it forever.
You can Do some updates andstill be a nice point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Point that's true, yep, you can feel free to get
attached to this one.
The other one you very much soneed to go in with the sole
express purpose of I'm justgonna beat the shit out of this
like everybody else did, likethe past 100,000 people have
done to it as well.
I mean this one here Much, muchmore of a one you can take home

(01:24:52):
to mama, type thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yep Another chair Q 140 1966 or 4650.
You want to skip that one oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, I mean ho hum, I don't know the engine time,
but Um, that seems like a decentprice.
It's located in North.
Carolina so it's accessible fora lot of people.
Yeah, it'd be a considerationthat'd be more multi-purpose,
not so much just a pure timebuilder, but it's time builder.

(01:25:24):
I a far trainer, little bit ofa commuter, you know if, um, if
it happens to stick aroundlonger than you originally
thought, oh, For 47,000 we'reback at a 1976.
Look at the total time.
Look at the total time 14,000hours.

(01:25:50):
But it's in Canada, so it's okay, it's going and it's in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Yeah, so it's only it's Canadian time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Yes, right, exactly, it's like.
It's like metric time, rightyeah, it's like kilometers, the
miles per hour.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Yeah, you got a decent headset, at least oh,
that's good.
The interior is a lot cleanerthan the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Well, clearly it's a flight school airplane and I'd
like to think if they wereflying it with students, they
were making money.
You can afford to upkeep it.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of stuff wesay is kind of tongue-in-cheek
because there are high-timeairplanes that are meticulously
maintained, they're enrolled ina really good, you know,
aviation program where they havereally really robust

(01:26:33):
maintenance and so like, yeah,you don't want this to be, you
don't want to be a person whogets attached this airplane.
It's not a ticking time bomb,but its value is just.
There's just, there's no twoways about it and I don't think
buying it at 47 grand you'renever when you turn around.

(01:26:55):
If you paid that which I don'tdo it, but if you did, you're
not gonna get, you're not gonnaget 37 grand out of this when
you go back, so you can't be theone to spend 47.
That's mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, it's clean, though it's a lot cleaner than
the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Well, I yeah, that's a lot of money for that.
Yeah, I mean Not not a chance,not a this is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
This is one of those.
I feel like it's a nice plane.
The Owner's just gonna keep it,but like he just puts it on
here, if someone's want to giveme this, I'll let it go.
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, that'strue.
If not, I'll just keep it right, yeah, yeah, pass, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
That's the end of this first page.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
That's the first page .
We were at 47,000 and we havenot found an airplane that
excites us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah so put that in perspective.
That is crazy.
When you say it that way, thatblows my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, yep, yeah, those J3s are interesting.
Well, I'm actually gonna keepan eye on those, because I mean
look, if you get a chance, callthem, call the, whatever you
would know, you would know whatto ask and stuff, or else I
would just do it to do it, butyou wouldn't be more informative

(01:28:25):
, I think, on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
To ask I may, I may call tomorrow.
I just want to see what thedeal is.
I mean, because, like I agreewith you, it's some kind of,
some kind of legally Sheriffsale thing.
I have no idea what, what,what's going on, but there's two
of them I mean, it's just, it'sodd by the same firm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
So but what's the same bank?
It's the same guy bankruptcythat owns it.
I looked it up.
He's got a.
He's got one of those C-rays tookay and some other plane, it's
all the same bankruptcy.
That's why the same firm has it, the same client, it's the same
dude going bankrupt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
So the guy going bankrupt has a C-ray as well has
a C-ray and a cub on each coast.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
It's the same guy, from what I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
All right.
So let's say, I called tomorrow.
This dude's like yeah, it's 22grand.
You buying one with me if?

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
I'm not quite a physician to oh, that's point
but I Would.
I would be tempted to try topull some money together if it
was.
If it was for that, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah, J3.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I would want the one in Florida, though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
What's that you want?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
one's nicer than the one in California.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
What if it is you think so?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
And from the photos the one in Florida looks like
the nicer than one than like onein.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
California.
I'll take the crap you want.
I don't care, I'm gonna be alot crappier when I'm done with
it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
If you find out it's 22,000, I will.
I will make a Boy scout attemptto raise that money.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
I have faith in you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Put, put that together, yeah that would be a
good deal, I feel like oh yeahoh, something seriously wrong
with it.
That'd be a great deal.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, I mean, but there's so many people qualified
to verify it's, you know, thepaperwork, the maintenance.
I Mean somebody always knowssomebody who can, who has time.
I mean, yeah, you may have someexpense in air lining somebody
that you really trust toactually look at it, but so many

(01:30:39):
people are qualified.
And on us and for 22, theengine sitting on the front is
worth about that.
Core core wise, yeah, not somuch, but if it's a low time,
chances are that engine is aboutworth it.
That and anything else thatcould be wrong you can order out

(01:31:01):
of a catalog.
Yeah, that's the beauty, j3sman.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I think I'm just gonna make this a two-part
episode and and I like thisepisode even with just you and I
yeah, I think if it's Scott onhere, or even like a gas.
I feel like we could do thissemi-frequently, like I don't
know.
Maybe once a quarter orsomething.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Well, like a state of the market.
It's like a state of the market, yeah, so yeah, just pull it up
here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I'm sure Scott was on .
We'd be pulling up barnstormersand he'd have barnstormers up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Oh yeah, craigslist, Facebook marketplace, yeah right
, well, I can find this one justfine here for yeah, which is
fine If you add more perspective.
I think that's true.
Yeah, this is one website forthis episode.
Well, that's also.
I mean, that's a really goodpoint, because we could have
gone to barnstormers andprobably our starting price
would have Been cut in half,which sounds crazy to go from 20

(01:31:59):
and go down to 10.
But I bet you on barnstormersif you could sort it like that,
I bet you get 10 in less.
Yeah how I mean.
What's his name?
Trevor Jacob.
Where do you buy?
Oh yeah, where do you get thatTaylor craft?

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
from the parachute expert.
I don't know where you boughtit from.
Yeah, maybe we can do someresearch on that, yeah, but yeah
, I I don't know.
I thought this was good.
Yeah, I thought this was.
We've done a similar little bitof this and, like I remember I
edited it.
I'm like we could just do awhole show where all we do is
just it's more of a video show.

(01:32:38):
Obviously, it's gonna work waybetter for people watching than
Then listening.
Hopefully, if you're listening,you get something out of it.
But hopefully yeah, we, we gotthe.
You can see what we're lookingat.
Hopefully, as long as all thesoftware worked correctly and
recorded that properly, how itshould have, you can see exactly

(01:32:59):
what we're looking at in realtime while you watch with.
Watch us talk about it, right?
But, um, yeah, thank you forlistening.
It's getting late here and,yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna
call this.
One went through the first page, went to the first page.
Forty seven thousand dollars.
Lee Griffin and I are notsatisfied yet.
So back to the drawing board ofLee and I's quest to buy an

(01:33:23):
aircraft that we do not want todestroy.
It's got by his aircraft allthe time, but he just destroys
them all right, he would havedestroyed every one of these
first ones in rapid fashion.
Absolutely parts them out for aliving.
Yeah, okay, anyway, thanks forlistening.
Take care everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
See you, I Keep clicking on the wrong screen
because I got.
One of them is actual thescreen.
One of them is just the imageof the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, I totally get.
I wouldn't be able to jugglethat I.

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