August 31, 2023 • 41 mins
Are you ready to take your flying skills to the next level? Today, we bring you an in-depth guide on how to become a certified flight instructor. We unpack all the crucial elements, from the differences between a flight review and a biennial, to the nuances of flying different aircraft, such as the 150 and 172. We also walk you through the process of obtaining a CFII and emphasize the importance of continuous practice and skill refinement.
Have you ever wondered why biannual flight reviews are so crucial? Stick around as we dive into the nitty-gritty of energy management, slips, and the imperative of practicing takeoffs and landings. We also break down complex maneuvers like deep turns, slow flight, and stalls, and differentiate their execution in banner and non-banner planes. As a bonus, we reveal the necessity of rewriting the POH and the secret of landing with the flaps in the last five feet.
In our final segment, we lay bare the strategies for flying into a Bravo airspace and the associated costs. We stress the need for a constant scan during steep turns and caution against the risks of using landmarks for landing. We delve into airport anxiety and discuss the practicality of the application template. Wrapping up, we explore the concept of a legend flight and address the common fear of thunderstorms among pilots. Trust us, you don't want to miss this!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
See, it seems like there's a lot more students now.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, I mean getting to see if I don't know how much
money you'll make, but if it'sjust kind of like a side hustle,
I just want to do it just forthe challenge of you should.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I think it'll be good for the show.
Absolutely.
I'm not planning on making abank doing it, but I think it'll
be good for this show, for meto be teaching.
I think it'll give us morecontent and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm going to sharpen my skills Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Can we Calgary and we'll give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I couldn't legally see if I have been
Canada Canada though they'renice up there, they'll let you.
Justin, here we go.
Yeah, there we go, shut me down.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm sure I think it shut me down.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely so anyway now we're on this.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Can you say A?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, let's hear your A's A.
You want to solo A the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You could probably teach if it's an American
registered plane in anothercountry at a soon.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't know, I don't know how to get that in there.
I wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I don't know, dude Maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I would I think they have different wrecks.
Your license, their licensewould be completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Training in a US airplane.
It was a US instructor.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It was a US airplane.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
US citizen learning US flight instructor for a US
rating.
I feel like it might be fine aslong as you're not violating
any rules.
Solo Solo If you have thosethree items.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it might be okay.
I don't know why would we evendo that, Because it came up just
now.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, the Canada flight instructor.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let's make it easy to see.
It's cold up there, yeah,especially there, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay Now, what are my steps right now?
This is jumping off from zeroto solo student.
What should I do right now toget myself ready to actually be
an instructor?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Was the last time you flew.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's been a while.
Well, there you go.
Before the show started.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, your CFI is current right now.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, but your skill levels aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Probably If I was in a 150, I'd probably do it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
When was your last biennial?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh, it was probably 2018.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, but your arena and your CFI doesn't that count
as a flight review?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It counts for the hour of ground of the flight
review.
Okay, not the hour of flight.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let's just say minimum.
Very nice, he's such aninstructor, he knows all this
stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
If somebody out there , if you have, if you're current
in your flight review right nowand you needed a flight review.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Is that the same thing as a biennial?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I could give you that flight review that I need.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Lee's like I'm gonna pistol with the next guy.
He says biennial.
So, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
You can get your.
Cfi and revisit before CFI.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, so Tyler's right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So if you get anything that would qualify CFI,
the double I, like you say in Idid that just because I wanted
to brush up on my instrumentskills and I was trying to you
have your double.
I, no, no, no.
I was going through it for alittle bit and then, when I was
trying to apply for a tropicalocean airways because, like I
spent six months of my lifetrying to get it, I couldn't
(03:42):
even get an interview I met halfthe company and had drinks with
them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Now they would hire you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We can probably solve this.
I mean, I think that, okay, wecan talk about that later.
Okay, the CFI issue, the doubleI you need to fly.
Yes Period.
Tyler has a good suggestion.
Rob should get a CF double I toboth revisit his course.
He'll find knowledge andsomething new.
Oh yeah, you didn't evenaddress but that would get you
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I feel like I am so far away, though, from the
double I you just need to fly.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, so the flight review you're going to need so
much time as daunting, as afirst time student would be to
me from where I am now getting adouble.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I's way beyond that.
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's totally cool.
So, like I've talked about here, like I took, I hadn't flown GA
since like 2017 and it took melike three and a half hours of
nonstop takeoffs and landings tobe halfway normal.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
To do?
What To do the Cherokee?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I was doing the chat, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Dr Physics.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, so Okay, took me three and a half hours and I
have like seven work.
Yes, nonstop.
I don't know how many landingsI did 30, I don't know a bunch.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, I bet you I'd have to go, I'd have to look at
my medical, it's probably threeand a half hours of nonstop
landings, just for them to benormal.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, it's not the Lee.
I know this is a Lee.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
If I hopped in Scott's plane on a calm wind day
out of 88 Delta?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So do it.
Yeah, you got to start therethen.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, I could I.
It'd be nervous because Ihadn't done in a while, but I
bet you I'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Go do it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I got to check my medical.
I'm sure he's got it all ducttaped up for you.
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, extra duct tape Fresh duct tape.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This mechanic was putting fresh duct tape on it
yesterday for me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Hey, how much safer can you feel Duck jugs in the
back?
Duct tape on the front.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Ready to go.
I just just go fly and rememberyou're not going to be
instructing in the 150.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The 172.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I'm sure which flies terrible compared to 150.
Yeah, most things do yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Why couldn't you instruct in a 150?
Nobody's doing it.
Nobody's doing it anymore.
They're all old and nobody elseis doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You guys had a nice 150.
I mean and they're just.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I've never seen a 150 .
Nice in the one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They were used so heavily as trainers.
They have a billion hours onthem and, honestly, the student
doesn't learn that much becausethey're too easy to fly in my
opinion.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, so Scott and I are such bad pilots.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's what I would say, but Rob had to say it for
me.
You guys are great pilots, butI want to see that skill level
in something that requires skill.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, you guys have all theelements of high functioning
skill and stick and rudder stuff, but I got decent in that
(06:45):
Satabria and that's great, andthat's great.
So go fly that some more, go flythat, go instruct in that and
start getting a 150.
I mean, it's just, I don't know, there's no challenge, that is
the least.
Or start there, then Startthere then.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
So that's the least amount of challenge.
No challenge.
It sounds great.
It sounds like a great door togo through.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It would be a good start, but you just, I just
wouldn't want you to live thereLike I just have a problem with
you letting your skills atrophy.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I worry about that with myself, Like I don't want
to go through that.
That transition from you know,not flying GA for five years do
that, Six years, Do that again.
Like that.
It's just like I felt like crap.
It's like I have like 1800hours in this type of airplane
and I can't land it.
Like that's just very mentallyhard for me and I don't want to
(07:38):
see somebody else do that.
And I don't think putting a tonof time into 150, I think is, I
think is kind of pointless.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, I think could have knocked some rust off.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yes, easy way for me to yes, but then you got to go
do so.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay.
So is it more effective to godo five hours, three hours, two
hours in a 150?
Then go do another three hoursin a 172 or just?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How much time do you have in a 172?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I just look at my logbook maybe 20, 30 hours, 30
to 50 hours.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I don't know if he hasn't flown in when I'd say do
whatever you feel comfortable tostart out with, just so you
could like Knock the rest off,but I don't think you should,
like you said, stay in that.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's.
It's just so convenient becauseI could, you know, come back in
a month or so From Florida andthe skies plane sitting there,
if I let me fly, wouldn't evencharge me.
Throw some gas in it, you know,and I could what's?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
what purposes is this gonna serve?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Just to get something in my logbook and like oh,
absolutely do a flight review init.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Echol, you, or Echol or ten of it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I hear Echol is really dependable yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Almost as dependable as me he's going to see a game
tonight.
Let's see some text in the last, super last minute.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Uh Indians game.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I have no idea what kind of what kind of the
Guardians.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Guardians it's always gonna be that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Finally she steps up.
It's the.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Guardians playing a progressive field, isn't that
funny?
Well, I'm sure Indians isreally frowned upon oh, where
you live.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Okay, he knows.
Anyway, give a medical yeahdown in Florida, come back next
trip up here, yep, weather stillbe nice, yep.
And then Get a CFI.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
What's the next trip up here?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, I get the transmission, so I'll probably
back up beginning of next month,end of this month, to Pick it
up.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
pick up my car, let's go fly man, some of the best
time of year to fly up here.
You know that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, scott will need his, his biannual as well.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Everybody's biannual.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Let's just.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I guess let's bring it back me.
I need to lean in instead of.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I think you say it enough it will come back.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Maybe, maybe.
Yeah, you need time in the seat, man.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, you get the time you go, bob.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He'd love to lay his life in your hands and his 150.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Okay, wait, where's he out of them, andrew?
Where, we're, yet when yet.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, I did see that, andreas, he's a he's, he's,
andreas.
Miami.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's, that's good.
You need a biannual jar.
Fill up, buy some beer Tencents every time, I don't know.
I think you should Put a coinin the jar every time you don't.
Southeast Michigan, okay rightaround the corner Probably yell
(10:46):
to you right now an hour and ahalf probably drove by his house
on my way up to Waco the otherday.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I bet you probably do him close.
Yeah, yeah, that's hot.
I was in Vegas.
It was 107 degrees, but listento this, so I was right now in
the 8th the.
It was a temperature 3, 1 dewpoint minus 1, 32 degrees spread
on the temperature and dewpoint.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Wow, was dense altitude.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I don't know what it was, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Sesson 150 out to get you some time in the seat.
Yeah, knock the rust off.
I mean honestly, you and Scottcan go up.
I don't know when his flightreview Lapsed, but what I did.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I did I just want to get a flight review.
That's usually the easiest wayto do it.
I Did a flight review with someinstructor out of Foxtrot 45
Down in North County Airportdown in Florida and it was right
after I was and it wasinsurance check out, never mind.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I just I was in banner plane mode still and so
like I Was slipping the 172 incuz I was a little high because
it didn't drop as fast as thebanner.
But I'm like, just slip thisthing.
And that dudes face was likeyeah, we landed.
He's like good, you're good,you're good.
(12:16):
Like he knew I was a CFI,wanted to go up with me again.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We still need to like just come in and be like.
I don't know anything.
A brand new student.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh yeah, like the one holding me, like that one
driver did the fake is that Jeff.
Gordon.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh yeah, Jeff Gordon did that.
So speak of slips, someonenever taught me that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You shouldn't need to slip.
I'm gonna maintain that rightnow.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I needed when I did my check right though he's
like do it, I go.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I've never done that, so you told it to you that I
never done it, he's all right,let me show you, that was it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Still pass so nice.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I Don't know if I feel like we did him.
Don Showed us those, but Inever really learned it until I
was banter toned.
I didn't have flaps.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
There.
I mean there's a billion thingsthat I dropped the ball on.
I mean there's just no shortageof.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, but you're solid on that.
Power 180 off.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
So energy management man cool.
If you can do that, you don'tneed to slip.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's proud of why you need to slip on your check ride
.
I don't know, because maybe youdidn't really need to.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Okay, no, no either, you're not gonna be afraid of my
flying on the biannual flightreview.
What are we gonna do on my bad,you know, flight review?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Takeoff's landings.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's it.
I'm gonna go teach thesemaneuvers I haven't done.
Okay, I think it's the lasttime I know you that's not part
that's, you can go.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So here's the thing if we can make you safe, take
off and land.
Take off obviously pretty easy,anyway, you can do that, but
the landings do that.
You can go practice deep turns,slow flight, all you want
stalls.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I can't remember the last time I did a stall.
We'll go do some then.
Banter toes planes didn't stall.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's what I hear.
That's what I hear.
So, yeah, I mean you can go dothat on your own, though why am
I gonna ride along with youdoing stalls and things?
You don't need me there for now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I would do that.
I'd say what do you want tolearn?
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
If we're way more, if I was if I was, if I was doing
this by annual.
I say okay, I forgot we'redoing a flight review, I forgot
we're doing a legit flight.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, it's first time we're doing by annual.
It's not a flight review, we'vedetermined this.
It's a by and I might be inCanada.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So it's a.
So we're gonna do a flightreview, a legit one that I
totally forgot we were.
I don't know how I spaced on it.
We're gonna use deep turns.
We're new clean stalls.
Take off some landings.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That's pretty much my schtick.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That'd be good.
I Haven't done.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I concurred, or a stall.
I do power 180, throw that inthere too.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I well, I do that anyway, so I don't even need to
list it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
But yeah, that's just how I land Lee's gonna try to
Lee's got.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I can't wait to see after Scott.
You guys do such weird stuff.
It's crazy like rewrite the PoHand Well, I'll just put the
flaps in at the last five feet,like just so it lands normal, or
whatever you guys do oh.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, you get enough time in a 150 going to grass
strip.
Not about enough time crank itover, throw those flaps and lots
cranked over.
You do all kinds of stuff.
It's not the PoA, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I get all that, but it's be stabilized.
What is that like Exactly?
Well, that's why you don't havea job at.
Tropic Ocean Airways.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's cuz you guys think like a stabilized approach
was, it is, wasn't, it wasn'tin his teaching style, but then
but it changed though, because Iremember later on you said hey,
you start talking about thisafter you have my, I have my
private, might even been in myinstrument, and you start
talking about state, like Ifound this new thing stabilized
approach, stabilized approach.
And then that's what everyonewas teaching stabilized approach
(15:50):
.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I don't know so much that I found it, but the pride
like think I mean stabilizedjust your parallel and ILS,
which is pertinent on aInstrument rating yeah it's just
difference.
I focus so much on safety andbeing able to manhandle an
airplane to get it Do what youwant it to do on a private, and
the instrument is just moreFinesse.
(16:12):
I don't know Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Okay, I Just I think it'd be fun.
We gotta get.
I meant to be at this trip.
We'll do it this week.
I'm gonna go buy a recorder andget the.
So we got the wire for therecorder to keep Scott's plane
Always recording.
Okay, I just got to go get likea 3.5 millimeter Jack.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Remember record or something from staples if they
still sell them or order onAmazon hook up.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You're probably better off going Amazon.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You should.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I got a bachelor party.
Go to sorry, I'm driving.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sunday, sunday I'm flying the islands.
I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, Sunday Sunday but it's not a 150.
Are you a comfortable with that?
It's not a sesame 150.
You won't know what I like Kingairs and.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Now, if you could get , let's see if you go on if you
go on 60 right 75 if you go on,if you go on Friday, you could
do.
You can fly the island, so thatcould be your lesson you can
Fly the islands, do the mail.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Friday wonderful.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Let's do it, you fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
All right, I'll take Lee, cuz he promised me when he
goes oh, you gotta come backwith me, we'll fly the mail
together.
Never saw.
You said oh dude, I'll take youto island or we'll do the mail.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Never calls me this was when he was flying.
I don't remember any of that.
Yeah, it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Let me down.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I guess with an app called flight link you can
record in flight audio for free.
Look into that.
I got the kind of setup just aShouldn't even app.
Trying to get Scott Boris touse an app regularly to set it
up.
I don't know if that'll be good.
Does he still have a flip phone?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh, no, he's great.
We're just a little bit.
Just a little bit from a flipphone, yeah where is he?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, I found five, I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I thought, I think that app is probably not
supported on the iOS that he'srunning.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And then yeah, tyler's got another request for
Scott flying into Bravo, sosomebody's got to do a lesson
with Scott Boris flying intoProbably Detroit.
We determined.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Why?
Why Detroit?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
we did that one.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh, yeah, yeah, he's flying out of Detroit, right,
Right it was kind of funny, ohman, oh Cleveland Hopkins.
I think Detroit be more it willbe so hard for me to just let
it, just I don't.
I don't know how I would handlethat, just letting it just kind
of like Letting the controls Ican't I can't can't let that
happen.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You'd have to like Just has Scott, be like PIC.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's the only way not call it a lesson.
You're just an informedpassenger.
Yeah and just at some point youmay have to take over as the
passenger.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
So we should start taking bets.
Will they deny?
Will they deny, I'm going intothe class Bravo, because once he
makes that contact and hestarts talking, they're like no,
we're not letting you turnaround, you're not, you're not
coming in.
You think that's possible?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Just think this would be great audio.
I was saying, throw GoPro inthere, it's like sure.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I know I need.
I need to go pro.
I always wish I had a GoPro forsome of the I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Had one for a while.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I really want one, but yeah, no, I.
They could probably, if theylike, get a good read.
Like he does not know what'sgoing on, why, why, don't I okay
, just that I can't hear.
You know why.
You see is with my.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I know I had a 360 camera Mm-hmm so then I could
see we'd go back and review andyou could see where they were
looking and you could see wherethey were Landing.
So that was oh, that's a goodteaching yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I know you always talked about wanting to do that.
Yeah, I did do it.
I had finally.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It's sad, it's sad on the, so you would start it.
So if they went out, the solo,especially when they saw, I did
almost, I think almost all theirsolos.
So what I would do is, when Igot out of the plane on my phone
I would turn it on, startrecording and it would record
onto a SD card and it would justkeep going as they were flying.
Now that I used to have therewas I Think it was called in
(20:48):
flight and think it may go pro,bought them out, but this one
would actually tell the airspeed, the altitude, all that other
stuff, and it was just astraight on like lipstick camera
that would record when peoplewere flying.
But then I ended up throwingthe 360 camera in there.
But it would, once you got itdown, he would download it and
you would just move it.
(21:08):
I, you know the the mousearound and it would show.
You know, you could see likewhere they were landing, where
they were touching down at,where their eyes were focusing
on, so you could see that andthen you would also have audio.
So.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Lee says he doesn't look down the runway when he's
landing.
Really, yeah he says heunderstands that's how most
people do it, but he said hejust has never done it that way.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Huh which I found fascinating.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Where do you look?
I always look very like, yeah,you look down at the very end,
because if you don't let.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You have a tendency to land Like you don't hold it
off.
So if you're looking too short,you have a tendency to put it
down at a greater speed in whichyou know you could bounce.
Or you know or take back.
If you pull back too much, yougot enough energy that you're
gonna go back up in the airanyway.
So yeah, if you look down therunway, you have a tendency to
(22:00):
be able to let that airspeedyou're.
You're holding it off andyou're able to touch down.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So that's weird he does that I have to ask him
about it when he comes back out.
All right, catch you up in thechat.
Been always set up and onlyfans for Scott and live stream.
Pretty sure that we'll get somelannies.
Yeah, one strategy.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, scott could say student pilot with endorsement
If he's in.
If he's not, because he has astudent pilot without
endorsement, you can't fly intoa Bravo.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Are they gonna ask for the endorsement though?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well no, if he says student pilot, then they're
gonna say why are you doing here?
He'd have to say student pilotwith endorsement.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Okay, so for him to use yes pilot.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, if he threw the student pilot out, scott in a
Bravo.
It came up with that, notwithout an endorsement, so he'd
have to say student pilot withendorsement.
You know how he says studentpilot all the time yeah, that's
what he says.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It was getting a phone number to call.
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Don't see how he's not, but I don't know he's got
this skill like I mean he canread an altimeter.
I mean so as long as he doesn'tbust it initially.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, they're just gonna hate him.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Probably not gonna be happy.
Delta hub, spirit hub.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They put the.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Six runways.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Thank you.
Thank you, ground crew.
Is that's gonna cover thelanding fee for that operation?
What landing fees are there atDetroit for a single engine
system?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
if you just do it touch and go, I Don't know if
you're gonna get anything.
I don't know really Either way.
I don't know 50 or $100.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So I feel like that's .
We've been talking about it forso long.
It's still worth it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I, yeah, I don't know, I think we land.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I did land Detroit last year but I can't remember
what the fee was.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Did you touch and go we?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
pick someone up signature, signature.
Yeah, you know, saratoga.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Like Detroit Metro Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I can't remember what the price was.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, yeah, I mean so many things from the actual FBO
.
But if you do a touch and go ora taxi back to us, a Full stop
taxi back, and then take offagain, I don't know if you're
getting a bill, like all theairport use fees people talk
about.
I don't know.
I've never seen one.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Burke Lakefront used to charge five bucks every time.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And they just send it to you in the mail.
They look up the registration,send it to you.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yep, what I touch and go.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, I was going in there for yeah, I think it's 10
less, no, it's 10.
Okay, all right, so walk methrough stalls.
You know you're gonna reteachme how to do a stall on my my
annual flight review, withleague riffing and Scott system
150 Landing.
(24:52):
I kind of know, jeff canreteach you but he went to.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Scott, he went to you .
Speaker 3 (24:56):
We're doing Power on or power off.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm the flight review .
Yeah, power on, or Typicallypower off.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Okay, we're just bringing it back till we hear
the horn.
Bring it back.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, you don't.
You don't do the horn now.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, probably the first sign of a stall.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, first sign of stall.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It's all about Stole awareness where?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
yeah, so they want you to feel the buff at the tail
shaking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
They want you to recover before the full on stall
so you retain controllability.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Okay, I think that's what I always did with Don
anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, for the most part, we are we're here the
stall.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Sometimes he wanted me to.
That was more recovery.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, sometimes it's nice to show get it deep in the
stall, but I mean you want toavoid this tall.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, what else we do in turns around a point you
said steep turns, steep turns.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, just keep that scan going.
It's more of a performance frommaneuver.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I gotta keep it the same altitude.
Yes, that's the hard part ofsteep turns.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yes, it is same airspeed.
I've done some steep turns.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Not worried about my altitude.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, yeah, but you need to maintain the altitude
near speed.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I always felt like you could crank it over a lot
more if you weren't concernedabout the altitude maintaining
altitude.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They were saying that you don't look at the runway
when you land.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Good, who was saying that?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I was saying that people, people at the other time
.
No, I look close in, I don'tlook way down.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Okay, I I still think that's weird.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, and maybe it's subjective, how far down do
people normally look?
Are they looking like at thehorizon?
Are they looking three thousandthree hundred yards down the
road or down the runway, likewhat is down the runway?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I look towards the end.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I probably look 300 yards ish 3 400.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I just said 3 400 yards yours.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, like that was so much I know.
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking, youdo the same thing I do now.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No maximum, I know.
No, I was just throwing thatrandom number out there, which
is weird that you kind ofdoubled down on it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I was thinking about.
You had said in yards, I'mthinking football fields, and
then yeah, like three footballfields.
I'm like, yeah, that's kind ofprobably what.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So probably not, because when you land at Hind,
you don't have that many foot,that many feet to begin with you
probably look at the billboard.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm looking at the end at the billboard once Wendy
Wendy sign was gone, it threwoff my Landings ever since.
That Wendy sign on route to.
That's how I gauge my wholelanding structure there and they
, they stop.
Sponsor in the billboard.
Don't use landmarks, everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's bad idea.
Period Anything, anythingaviation based other than like
navigation that's on a sectionalchart.
Don't use landmarks.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Is that what a gradient is?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
What is he talking about?
I don't see it.
The last one.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Has a gradient good.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , cuz if you think about it,
it's just sending away from youor it's coming up to meet you.
Yeah, if it's just sending awayfrom you, those are, those are
the hardest you ever landed atWheeling?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's almost like it's like a bowl.
It's like when you're coming in, when I can't which run away it
is, but you come in and it'slike you're going downhill.
Then you're going uphill at thevery end.
So that really throws you off.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I saw this runway.
It was a jet taken off onTwitter of Burnsville Mountain
Airport, which I'd actuallyspent a few days in Burnsville
last year.
Buddy's aunt lived there, okay,and it's like the runway is
Looks like a wave.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What's the identifier ?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I don't know.
Look up Burnsville Airport,burnsville what?
Burnsville Mountain Airport, Ithink it was.
What state is it in?
Oh, north Carolina.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay, yeah, sorry, burns always remember going
around as a sign of weaknesscornetiler.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's what Scott Boris Scott worse never goes
around.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's not making it tonight.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
No, I saw that text message.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hence the reason your sister is here.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yes, thank you for filling in Halle.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Not a problem I.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Do need more.
I only had one white claw andwe're already a A while at me
yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I actually have to say I'm surprised that you
Advertise that you drink like.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I this is the first time I've ever drank white claw
in here, so I thought it waslike a monumentous occasion that
should have been documented.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You can go grab a mom water.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I do a mom.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm a mom.
Water no.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I don't need the Nancy anymore today.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
She's not like Scott.
She's attacking Robin at you,lee.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I know that's easier.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
There's more yeah that's true, because you only
never got her in the plane to goup in there, you just yeah you
know, give her the white boardthe boring white board.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yep, all right, you guys hold this down while I mix
up a captain coke.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, dude, or a code and coke, whatever.
I'm gonna be quiet here for asecond, but I'm I'm getting some
.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, hallie can just ask questions about Saturday's
lesson or Sunday's lesson.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Sunday's lesson.
Okay, what are we starting with?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We are going to start with oh so.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Which island are we going to?
Which Do?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
they have good beaches.
Uh, no beaches.
I'm trying to think, oh,kelly's Kelly's has a beach down
there.
I'm trying to think who hasthis point in bay?
I don't think so.
They have a little bit of one, alittle bit of one, but we're
not going to see that.
We're just going to say here'sa male and we're going to unload
the mail, and then we're goingto go, and then we're going to
go to the North Bass and there'sgoing to be like maybe what?
(30:38):
Three people live on North Bassand we're going to go to their
post office, which is a little.
Which is a shack, which is ashack, and we're going to put
mail in the box and then we'regoing to pick up the mail.
Are they like right at theairport?
Oh yeah, it's right at theairport.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, like they get the post office keys.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And you have to open their box like you're a post
office person.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You're employee.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And yeah, and you stuff it in, and yeah, Even for
Kelly's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
No, no, kelly, someone meets us.
Yeah, just North Bass.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
North Bass, the only one without a postmaster.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yep, and that's what we're going to do.
But for your lesson we're goingto go over.
I'm just going to start out.
I'm going to show you what,like these are the errands,
these are the rudders, this isthe flaps, this is kind of what
they do.
And I'm going to show you thesix packs instrument and I'm
going to say here's what eachone of these instruments do.
And then we'll go through.
(31:29):
There will be a checklist thereand I'm going to go through the
checklist and say this is howwe start the plane, this is how
we go.
And then I'm going to say okay,I saw an airspeed.
The plane is going to want tolift off and we're just going to
go and we're going to pull back.
Just grab.
It probably trimmed out justenough that it just had 16 knots
.
It's just going to lift off inthere.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So is there anything that I could do to prepare for a
first lesson?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, you could get online so the lesson would be in
an archer, so you get the wholesetup and you could do like
some air flying.
You could do some chair flyingwhere you just sit there and
kind of look over.
Okay.
Well, this is all timid air,this is what this does, this is
what this does, and learn whatthose items do.
Oh, here's my yoke.
(32:12):
So what does my yoke do?
Well, it works my elevator andit works my ailerons.
And then where's my rudders?
Well, that's going to be myfoot pedals.
Well, in the archer, that alsoon the ground, that's what
steers us.
It's not the yoke, it's goingto be.
I don't think there's anythingthat a yoke steers.
Is there what?
do you mean In the jet, does itthe jet?
The yoke doesn't steer on theground with it.
(32:33):
No, so the rudders for thearcher itself, they're going to
steer like a diamond 20.
You would have brakes, your thebrakes steer it, because Swivel
front wheel.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, swivel front wheel Full cast ring front wheel
.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Full cast ring front wheel, also known as a swiveling
wheel.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, we're going to go with swivel, just like by
annual.
So, whatever it really says,we're going to the exact
opposite.
So, yeah, so you could prepareand then actually, as one of my
students I would already have aI would give you a thumb drive
that would have a list of likevideos and a lesson plan, and
then the lesson would say go tothis, here's some videos you
could watch your first lesson.
(33:13):
That would help you, you know.
So, whatever lesson I gave youand, like I said, that ASA
whiteboard stuff, it wouldactually have the lesson right
out there.
I would give you a link on thatthumb drive.
The link would have articlesthat you could read that are
online, and also videos you canwatch.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So that's very professional.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That seems pretty legit A thumb drive.
A thumb drive.
What do you got?
I don't even want to talk now,but no, no, no, but here's the.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
here's the story.
One man asked me.
Another CFI says hey, I got astudent that's having trouble
with communication.
They wanted to use my flightsim that I have, so I'm going to
do one better.
I went with the Leecommunication script that he
gave me as a student that Iwould use with my student.
Lee had made up this scriptthat gave you every possible
(34:04):
snare.
If you're going into a Delta,if you're going into a Charlie,
if you're flying from Portlandto Sundusky, what you would say
and it'd be like this person asa pilot, you would call this off
6, 9, 1, 9 whiskey departing.
And this was all done by Lee.
So I gave this to another CFIand it still has Lee's
communication on it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Where is this thing?
We should do like a wholeepisode on this.
It's got every singlepossibility.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, not everything, but it's the stuff that you're
going to need flying in thisarea and what you're going to
say and like it would even have,like if you went to Mansfield.
Here's what towers going to say.
Here's what you're going topossibly say back to tower,
things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh yeah, we need to recover this document for a show
you know what Lee can, lee can.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think it's in an email.
Oh man, this would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I was going to say we could let Lee update it for a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But if you've got the raw copy, let's just roll with
that live I did it in the formatof the old instant messenger.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We had like red and blue for the different people.
It did Remember that, yes yes,red and blue for who is talking
versus.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
This is very creative .
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh, let me see where I did with that that's the
hardest thing we've talked aboutand highlighted so much.
People are afraid to talk toATC and just this communication
is such a hurdle for people andit's like it's just another
person.
But if you can, if you can getdown the expectations, if you
could come blazing intosomebody's airspace, you're
going to have like a don't leavea couple of different
(35:34):
correspondences possible, likethey're going to clear you in,
they're going to tell you not tocome in.
It's like, and how's that goingto go, which I never really
addressed.
If they don't clear you in, butwhat's the likelihood of that?
If not, you go over there andhold, if that's your destination
airport.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Color coded.
Oh man, let's do an example.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Hold on, let me read that before you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It says Lee's communication.
This is from 2010.
Wow, oh man.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So I even have the cloud clearance and visibility
requirements for class Bravoright there.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
See, that's legit Yep man.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You.
That's exactly cause this isstill 438 Sierra.
Yeah, you approach controller,you approach controller.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We've got an official call sign for the show now.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I don't know if you heard that.
What's that it says?
We're always worried aboutusing bad tail numbers or saying
tail numbers.
We shouldn't say we have Ireserved 151, 151 whiskey
whiskey.
That's the official tail numberof the show.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
now All right, let me find one here we can go over Is
this what we want to do rightnow.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
You want to go over.
I kind of like in thisdirection Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Which what?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Let me find an easy one, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's fine, go ahead .
People like they're just yourbrother and Scott included, they
don't want to talk to ATC andso, like when you look at the
map airspace, you know it's atwo dimensional piece of paper
that they have to show threedimensional airspace on.
So there's like these rings andpeople go way out of their way
and fly around them.
When they could fly under themor if they wanted to talk to air
(37:08):
traffic control, they couldjust fly through them.
But you have to be confidentand and know kind of what you're
doing, what the expectationsare for everybody, and it would
save you a lot of timePotentially.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I've become more comfortable with ATC be the
tower airports, so what a goodclassic.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
So when I was learning this, I was still on
Sunoski fire department and Iwould have we were in the
ambulance.
I remember we're going back tostation and I would have someone
give someone a script and theywould, because as you came in
the station it was almost likeyou were going downwind base
Final.
So then, like I would callthose and they would make sure I
was doing it right, you know Iwould call, I would call out and
(37:48):
that it was awfully skipped.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But here's thinking someone on the gurney.
Like distract them from theirpain, like here.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Here's going into I'm going to Delta.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
You, good morning Burke, lakefront Tower.
Warrior for three eight Sierra,tower controller this is
controller talking out or threeeight Sierra, lakefront Tower.
You, lakefront Tower were four,three eight Sierra, six miles
West, 1800 feet.
Vfr inbound information.
Romeo were three, three eightSierra.
Proceed inbound.
Call two miles out.
Call two miles out were three,38, three eight Sierra.
(38:25):
Lakefront Tower were threeeight Sierra, two miles West,
where three eight Sierra makestraight in.
Six are apprentices right handrunway clear to land, clear to
land.
Six Right warrior three eightSierra.
Be mindful of which runway theyhad cleared you to land, in
parentheses, on Tower.
(38:46):
Now you're over to get ouragain.
Warrior three eight Sierra,turn right on.
Next text remain as frequencysay stay parking right.
Next Textway, this friction j Ga ramp.
Warrior three Sierra were threeSierra.
Taxi to G ramp via Via textwaygolf.
Like he went in depth and thiswas a correct.
Yeah, this is a Lee originaldocument.
(39:06):
I.
Mean should I send it so you canput this up on Jesus please?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
don't, you could post .
You got an account on it?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
No, don't just.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There's so many things good, though that is like
I gave that to someone that weshould have had.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The last episode where we were doing the ATC
stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, well, that what .
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Or two episodes, I wish I could have had that one
back.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That was just it's not super practical of what we
were trying to do.
I mean it was practical.
We were trying to do anapplication, not great.
This is just a Very vaguetemplate of like the different
scenarios that could come up.
It's not that hard.
That's what I try to.
People have all this anxietyabout towered fields and
(39:50):
whatever.
It's the same exchange everytime.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But, we should, but how?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
but how the script?
How the script?
They do have apps for thatalready were well, so that's
obsolete.
Yeah, but it wasn't at the time.
But no, still it worked outgood because, like you give it
to your, your wife, girlfriend,whoever, and they could be the
part of air traffic control andthey had it, they knew what to
say, and then you would say it Ithink it's plain English, is
the app where you know, you talkto it and it it'll tell you if
(40:17):
you said it correctly or youknow.
I'm pretty sure that's the app.
But anyway, but with least thingyou would get someone, like I
said, someone on the ambulancethat was driving, not the
patient would they would readback you know they would be the
part of air traffic controllerand that's how I was able to
learn and that's that would havebeen on the thumb drive for
your first lesson Would havebeen okay, and it was actually
(40:37):
lesson one, radio communication,something here.
Of course you wouldn't be doingradio communication your first
few lessons, but Least you'dhave something you could study
at home and you could practice100%.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That that was the point.
That was the point I mean itdoesn't cover every other.
Yeah, at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It was not a still good, did you ever use that,
like when yeah, I used to withmy state.
It's in my lesson.
It was in my thumb drive for mylesson plans.
I would give it to my students.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Okay, so how many students is now then through?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
you.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Even and, as a partial, I have achieved
immortality.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And don't forget last week another instructor who
never even met, lee.
Use that with their students.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh man, this is.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Legendary legend flight legend.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah right Island's flight legend.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yep, and now I'm afraid of thunderstorms.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh man, oh, those are scary.
See, it seems like there's a lot more students now.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, I mean getting to see if I don't know how much
money you'll make, but if it'sjust kind of like a side hustle,
I just want to do it just forthe challenge of you should.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I think it'll be good for the show.
Absolutely.
I'm not planning on making abank doing it, but I think it'll
be good for this show, for meto be teaching.
I think it'll give us morecontent and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm going to sharpen my skills Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Can we Calgary and we'll give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, I couldn't legally see if I have been
Canada Canada though they'renice up there, they'll let you.
Justin, here we go.
Yeah, there we go, shut me down.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm sure I think it shut me down.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely so anyway now we're on this.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Can you say A?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, let's hear your A's A.
You want to solo A the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
You could probably teach if it's an American
registered plane in anothercountry at a soon.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't know, I don't know how to get that in there.
I wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I don't know, dude Maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I would I think they have different wrecks.
Your license, their licensewould be completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Training in a US airplane.
It was a US instructor.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It was a US airplane.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
US citizen learning US flight instructor for a US
rating.
I feel like it might be fine aslong as you're not violating
any rules.
Solo Solo If you have thosethree items.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it might be okay.
I don't know why would we evendo that, Because it came up just
now.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, the Canada flight instructor.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let's make it easy to see.
It's cold up there, yeah,especially there, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay Now, what are my steps right now?
This is jumping off from zeroto solo student.
What should I do right now toget myself ready to actually be
an instructor?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Was the last time you flew.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's been a while.
Well, there you go.
Before the show started.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, your CFI is current right now.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, but your skill levels aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Probably If I was in a 150, I'd probably do it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
When was your last biennial?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh, it was probably 2018.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, but your arena and your CFI doesn't that count
as a flight review?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It counts for the hour of ground of the flight
review.
Okay, not the hour of flight.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let's just say minimum.
Very nice, he's such aninstructor, he knows all this
stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
If somebody out there , if you have, if you're current
in your flight review right nowand you needed a flight review.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Is that the same thing as a biennial?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I could give you that flight review that I need.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Lee's like I'm gonna pistol with the next guy.
He says biennial.
So, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
You can get your.
Cfi and revisit before CFI.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, so Tyler's right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So if you get anything that would qualify CFI,
the double I, like you say in Idid that just because I wanted
to brush up on my instrumentskills and I was trying to you
have your double.
I, no, no, no.
I was going through it for alittle bit and then, when I was
trying to apply for a tropicalocean airways because, like I
spent six months of my lifetrying to get it, I couldn't
(03:42):
even get an interview I met halfthe company and had drinks with
them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Now they would hire you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We can probably solve this.
I mean, I think that, okay, wecan talk about that later.
Okay, the CFI issue, the doubleI you need to fly.
Yes Period.
Tyler has a good suggestion.
Rob should get a CF double I toboth revisit his course.
He'll find knowledge andsomething new.
Oh yeah, you didn't evenaddress but that would get you
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I feel like I am so far away, though, from the
double I you just need to fly.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, so the flight review you're going to need so
much time as daunting, as afirst time student would be to
me from where I am now getting adouble.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I's way beyond that.
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's totally cool.
So, like I've talked about here, like I took, I hadn't flown GA
since like 2017 and it took melike three and a half hours of
nonstop takeoffs and landings tobe halfway normal.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
To do?
What To do the Cherokee?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I was doing the chat, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Dr Physics.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, so Okay, took me three and a half hours and I
have like seven work.
Yes, nonstop.
I don't know how many landingsI did 30, I don't know a bunch.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, I bet you I'd have to go, I'd have to look at
my medical, it's probably threeand a half hours of nonstop
landings, just for them to benormal.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, it's not the Lee.
I know this is a Lee.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
If I hopped in Scott's plane on a calm wind day
out of 88 Delta?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So do it.
Yeah, you got to start therethen.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, I could I.
It'd be nervous because Ihadn't done in a while, but I
bet you I'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Go do it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I got to check my medical.
I'm sure he's got it all ducttaped up for you.
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, extra duct tape Fresh duct tape.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This mechanic was putting fresh duct tape on it
yesterday for me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Hey, how much safer can you feel Duck jugs in the
back?
Duct tape on the front.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Ready to go.
I just just go fly and rememberyou're not going to be
instructing in the 150.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The 172.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I'm sure which flies terrible compared to 150.
Yeah, most things do yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Why couldn't you instruct in a 150?
Nobody's doing it.
Nobody's doing it anymore.
They're all old and nobody elseis doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You guys had a nice 150.
I mean and they're just.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I've never seen a 150 .
Nice in the one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They were used so heavily as trainers.
They have a billion hours onthem and, honestly, the student
doesn't learn that much becausethey're too easy to fly in my
opinion.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, so Scott and I are such bad pilots.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's what I would say, but Rob had to say it for
me.
You guys are great pilots, butI want to see that skill level
in something that requires skill.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, you guys have all theelements of high functioning
skill and stick and rudder stuff, but I got decent in that
(06:45):
Satabria and that's great, andthat's great.
So go fly that some more, go flythat, go instruct in that and
start getting a 150.
I mean, it's just, I don't know, there's no challenge, that is
the least.
Or start there, then Startthere then.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
So that's the least amount of challenge.
No challenge.
It sounds great.
It sounds like a great door togo through.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It would be a good start, but you just, I just
wouldn't want you to live thereLike I just have a problem with
you letting your skills atrophy.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I worry about that with myself, Like I don't want
to go through that.
That transition from you know,not flying GA for five years do
that, Six years, Do that again.
Like that.
It's just like I felt like crap.
It's like I have like 1800hours in this type of airplane
and I can't land it.
Like that's just very mentallyhard for me and I don't want to
(07:38):
see somebody else do that.
And I don't think putting a tonof time into 150, I think is, I
think is kind of pointless.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, I think could have knocked some rust off.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yes, easy way for me to yes, but then you got to go
do so.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay.
So is it more effective to godo five hours, three hours, two
hours in a 150?
Then go do another three hoursin a 172 or just?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How much time do you have in a 172?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I just look at my logbook maybe 20, 30 hours, 30
to 50 hours.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I don't know if he hasn't flown in when I'd say do
whatever you feel comfortable tostart out with, just so you
could like Knock the rest off,but I don't think you should,
like you said, stay in that.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's.
It's just so convenient becauseI could, you know, come back in
a month or so From Florida andthe skies plane sitting there,
if I let me fly, wouldn't evencharge me.
Throw some gas in it, you know,and I could what's?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
what purposes is this gonna serve?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Just to get something in my logbook and like oh,
absolutely do a flight review init.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Echol, you, or Echol or ten of it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I hear Echol is really dependable yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Almost as dependable as me he's going to see a game
tonight.
Let's see some text in the last, super last minute.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Uh Indians game.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I have no idea what kind of what kind of the
Guardians.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Guardians it's always gonna be that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Finally she steps up.
It's the.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Guardians playing a progressive field, isn't that
funny?
Well, I'm sure Indians isreally frowned upon oh, where
you live.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Okay, he knows.
Anyway, give a medical yeahdown in Florida, come back next
trip up here, yep, weather stillbe nice, yep.
And then Get a CFI.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
What's the next trip up here?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, I get the transmission, so I'll probably
back up beginning of next month,end of this month, to Pick it
up.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
pick up my car, let's go fly man, some of the best
time of year to fly up here.
You know that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, scott will need his, his biannual as well.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Everybody's biannual.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Let's just.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I guess let's bring it back me.
I need to lean in instead of.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I think you say it enough it will come back.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Maybe, maybe.
Yeah, you need time in the seat, man.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, you get the time you go, bob.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He'd love to lay his life in your hands and his 150.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Okay, wait, where's he out of them, andrew?
Where, we're, yet when yet.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, I did see that, andreas, he's a he's, he's,
andreas.
Miami.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's, that's good.
You need a biannual jar.
Fill up, buy some beer Tencents every time, I don't know.
I think you should Put a coinin the jar every time you don't.
Southeast Michigan, okay rightaround the corner Probably yell
(10:46):
to you right now an hour and ahalf probably drove by his house
on my way up to Waco the otherday.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I bet you probably do him close.
Yeah, yeah, that's hot.
I was in Vegas.
It was 107 degrees, but listento this, so I was right now in
the 8th the.
It was a temperature 3, 1 dewpoint minus 1, 32 degrees spread
on the temperature and dewpoint.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Wow, was dense altitude.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I don't know what it was, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Sesson 150 out to get you some time in the seat.
Yeah, knock the rust off.
I mean honestly, you and Scottcan go up.
I don't know when his flightreview Lapsed, but what I did.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I did I just want to get a flight review.
That's usually the easiest wayto do it.
I Did a flight review with someinstructor out of Foxtrot 45
Down in North County Airportdown in Florida and it was right
after I was and it wasinsurance check out, never mind.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I just I was in banner plane mode still and so
like I Was slipping the 172 incuz I was a little high because
it didn't drop as fast as thebanner.
But I'm like, just slip thisthing.
And that dudes face was likeyeah, we landed.
He's like good, you're good,you're good.
(12:16):
Like he knew I was a CFI,wanted to go up with me again.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We still need to like just come in and be like.
I don't know anything.
A brand new student.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh yeah, like the one holding me, like that one
driver did the fake is that Jeff.
Gordon.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh yeah, Jeff Gordon did that.
So speak of slips, someonenever taught me that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You shouldn't need to slip.
I'm gonna maintain that rightnow.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I needed when I did my check right though he's
like do it, I go.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I've never done that, so you told it to you that I
never done it, he's all right,let me show you, that was it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Still pass so nice.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I Don't know if I feel like we did him.
Don Showed us those, but Inever really learned it until I
was banter toned.
I didn't have flaps.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
There.
I mean there's a billion thingsthat I dropped the ball on.
I mean there's just no shortageof.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, but you're solid on that.
Power 180 off.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
So energy management man cool.
If you can do that, you don'tneed to slip.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's proud of why you need to slip on your check ride
.
I don't know, because maybe youdidn't really need to.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Okay, no, no either, you're not gonna be afraid of my
flying on the biannual flightreview.
What are we gonna do on my bad,you know, flight review?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Takeoff's landings.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's it.
I'm gonna go teach thesemaneuvers I haven't done.
Okay, I think it's the lasttime I know you that's not part
that's, you can go.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So here's the thing if we can make you safe, take
off and land.
Take off obviously pretty easy,anyway, you can do that, but
the landings do that.
You can go practice deep turns,slow flight, all you want
stalls.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I can't remember the last time I did a stall.
We'll go do some then.
Banter toes planes didn't stall.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's what I hear.
That's what I hear.
So, yeah, I mean you can go dothat on your own, though why am
I gonna ride along with youdoing stalls and things?
You don't need me there for now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I would do that.
I'd say what do you want tolearn?
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
If we're way more, if I was if I was, if I was doing
this by annual.
I say okay, I forgot we'redoing a flight review, I forgot
we're doing a legit flight.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, it's first time we're doing by annual.
It's not a flight review, we'vedetermined this.
It's a by and I might be inCanada.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So it's a.
So we're gonna do a flightreview, a legit one that I
totally forgot we were.
I don't know how I spaced on it.
We're gonna use deep turns.
We're new clean stalls.
Take off some landings.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
That's pretty much my schtick.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That'd be good.
I Haven't done.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I concurred, or a stall.
I do power 180, throw that inthere too.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I well, I do that anyway, so I don't even need to
list it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
But yeah, that's just how I land Lee's gonna try to
Lee's got.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I can't wait to see after Scott.
You guys do such weird stuff.
It's crazy like rewrite the PoHand Well, I'll just put the
flaps in at the last five feet,like just so it lands normal, or
whatever you guys do oh.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, you get enough time in a 150 going to grass
strip.
Not about enough time crank itover, throw those flaps and lots
cranked over.
You do all kinds of stuff.
It's not the PoA, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I get all that, but it's be stabilized.
What is that like Exactly?
Well, that's why you don't havea job at.
Tropic Ocean Airways.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's cuz you guys think like a stabilized approach
was, it is, wasn't, it wasn'tin his teaching style, but then
but it changed though, because Iremember later on you said hey,
you start talking about thisafter you have my, I have my
private, might even been in myinstrument, and you start
talking about state, like Ifound this new thing stabilized
approach, stabilized approach.
And then that's what everyonewas teaching stabilized approach
(15:50):
.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I don't know so much that I found it, but the pride
like think I mean stabilizedjust your parallel and ILS,
which is pertinent on aInstrument rating yeah it's just
difference.
I focus so much on safety andbeing able to manhandle an
airplane to get it Do what youwant it to do on a private, and
the instrument is just moreFinesse.
(16:12):
I don't know Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Okay, I Just I think it'd be fun.
We gotta get.
I meant to be at this trip.
We'll do it this week.
I'm gonna go buy a recorder andget the.
So we got the wire for therecorder to keep Scott's plane
Always recording.
Okay, I just got to go get likea 3.5 millimeter Jack.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Remember record or something from staples if they
still sell them or order onAmazon hook up.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You're probably better off going Amazon.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You should.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I got a bachelor party.
Go to sorry, I'm driving.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sunday, sunday I'm flying the islands.
I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, Sunday Sunday but it's not a 150.
Are you a comfortable with that?
It's not a sesame 150.
You won't know what I like Kingairs and.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Now, if you could get , let's see if you go on if you
go on 60 right 75 if you go on,if you go on Friday, you could
do.
You can fly the island, so thatcould be your lesson you can
Fly the islands, do the mail.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Friday wonderful.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Let's do it, you fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
All right, I'll take Lee, cuz he promised me when he
goes oh, you gotta come backwith me, we'll fly the mail
together.
Never saw.
You said oh dude, I'll take youto island or we'll do the mail.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Never calls me this was when he was flying.
I don't remember any of that.
Yeah, it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Let me down.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I guess with an app called flight link you can
record in flight audio for free.
Look into that.
I got the kind of setup just aShouldn't even app.
Trying to get Scott Boris touse an app regularly to set it
up.
I don't know if that'll be good.
Does he still have a flip phone?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh, no, he's great.
We're just a little bit.
Just a little bit from a flipphone, yeah where is he?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, I found five, I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I thought, I think that app is probably not
supported on the iOS that he'srunning.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And then yeah, tyler's got another request for
Scott flying into Bravo, sosomebody's got to do a lesson
with Scott Boris flying intoProbably Detroit.
We determined.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Why?
Why Detroit?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
we did that one.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh, yeah, yeah, he's flying out of Detroit, right,
Right it was kind of funny, ohman, oh Cleveland Hopkins.
I think Detroit be more it willbe so hard for me to just let
it, just I don't.
I don't know how I would handlethat, just letting it just kind
of like Letting the controls Ican't I can't can't let that
happen.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You'd have to like Just has Scott, be like PIC.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's the only way not call it a lesson.
You're just an informedpassenger.
Yeah and just at some point youmay have to take over as the
passenger.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
So we should start taking bets.
Will they deny?
Will they deny, I'm going intothe class Bravo, because once he
makes that contact and hestarts talking, they're like no,
we're not letting you turnaround, you're not, you're not
coming in.
You think that's possible?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Just think this would be great audio.
I was saying, throw GoPro inthere, it's like sure.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I know I need.
I need to go pro.
I always wish I had a GoPro forsome of the I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Had one for a while.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I really want one, but yeah, no, I.
They could probably, if theylike, get a good read.
Like he does not know what'sgoing on, why, why, don't I okay
, just that I can't hear.
You know why.
You see is with my.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I know I had a 360 camera Mm-hmm so then I could
see we'd go back and review andyou could see where they were
looking and you could see wherethey were Landing.
So that was oh, that's a goodteaching yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I know you always talked about wanting to do that.
Yeah, I did do it.
I had finally.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It's sad, it's sad on the, so you would start it.
So if they went out, the solo,especially when they saw, I did
almost, I think almost all theirsolos.
So what I would do is, when Igot out of the plane on my phone
I would turn it on, startrecording and it would record
onto a SD card and it would justkeep going as they were flying.
Now that I used to have therewas I Think it was called in
(20:48):
flight and think it may go pro,bought them out, but this one
would actually tell the airspeed, the altitude, all that other
stuff, and it was just astraight on like lipstick camera
that would record when peoplewere flying.
But then I ended up throwingthe 360 camera in there.
But it would, once you got itdown, he would download it and
you would just move it.
(21:08):
I, you know the the mousearound and it would show.
You know, you could see likewhere they were landing, where
they were touching down at,where their eyes were focusing
on, so you could see that andthen you would also have audio.
So.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Lee says he doesn't look down the runway when he's
landing.
Really, yeah he says heunderstands that's how most
people do it, but he said hejust has never done it that way.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Huh which I found fascinating.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Where do you look?
I always look very like, yeah,you look down at the very end,
because if you don't let.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You have a tendency to land Like you don't hold it
off.
So if you're looking too short,you have a tendency to put it
down at a greater speed in whichyou know you could bounce.
Or you know or take back.
If you pull back too much, yougot enough energy that you're
gonna go back up in the airanyway.
So yeah, if you look down therunway, you have a tendency to
(22:00):
be able to let that airspeedyou're.
You're holding it off andyou're able to touch down.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So that's weird he does that I have to ask him
about it when he comes back out.
All right, catch you up in thechat.
Been always set up and onlyfans for Scott and live stream.
Pretty sure that we'll get somelannies.
Yeah, one strategy.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, scott could say student pilot with endorsement
If he's in.
If he's not, because he has astudent pilot without
endorsement, you can't fly intoa Bravo.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Are they gonna ask for the endorsement though?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well no, if he says student pilot, then they're
gonna say why are you doing here?
He'd have to say student pilotwith endorsement.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Okay, so for him to use yes pilot.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, if he threw the student pilot out, scott in a
Bravo.
It came up with that, notwithout an endorsement, so he'd
have to say student pilot withendorsement.
You know how he says studentpilot all the time yeah, that's
what he says.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It was getting a phone number to call.
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Don't see how he's not, but I don't know he's got
this skill like I mean he canread an altimeter.
I mean so as long as he doesn'tbust it initially.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, they're just gonna hate him.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Probably not gonna be happy.
Delta hub, spirit hub.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They put the.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Six runways.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Thank you.
Thank you, ground crew.
Is that's gonna cover thelanding fee for that operation?
What landing fees are there atDetroit for a single engine
system?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
if you just do it touch and go, I Don't know if
you're gonna get anything.
I don't know really Either way.
I don't know 50 or $100.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So I feel like that's .
We've been talking about it forso long.
It's still worth it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I, yeah, I don't know, I think we land.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I did land Detroit last year but I can't remember
what the fee was.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Did you touch and go we?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
pick someone up signature, signature.
Yeah, you know, saratoga.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Like Detroit Metro Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I can't remember what the price was.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, yeah, I mean so many things from the actual FBO
.
But if you do a touch and go ora taxi back to us, a Full stop
taxi back, and then take offagain, I don't know if you're
getting a bill, like all theairport use fees people talk
about.
I don't know.
I've never seen one.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Burke Lakefront used to charge five bucks every time.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And they just send it to you in the mail.
They look up the registration,send it to you.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yep, what I touch and go.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, I was going in there for yeah, I think it's 10
less, no, it's 10.
Okay, all right, so walk methrough stalls.
You know you're gonna reteachme how to do a stall on my my
annual flight review, withleague riffing and Scott system
150 Landing.
(24:52):
I kind of know, jeff canreteach you but he went to.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Scott, he went to you .
Speaker 3 (24:56):
We're doing Power on or power off.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm the flight review .
Yeah, power on, or Typicallypower off.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Okay, we're just bringing it back till we hear
the horn.
Bring it back.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, you don't.
You don't do the horn now.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, probably the first sign of a stall.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, first sign of stall.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
It's all about Stole awareness where?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
yeah, so they want you to feel the buff at the tail
shaking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
They want you to recover before the full on stall
so you retain controllability.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Okay, I think that's what I always did with Don
anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, for the most part, we are we're here the
stall.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Sometimes he wanted me to.
That was more recovery.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, sometimes it's nice to show get it deep in the
stall, but I mean you want toavoid this tall.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, what else we do in turns around a point you
said steep turns, steep turns.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, just keep that scan going.
It's more of a performance frommaneuver.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I gotta keep it the same altitude.
Yes, that's the hard part ofsteep turns.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yes, it is same airspeed.
I've done some steep turns.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Not worried about my altitude.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, yeah, but you need to maintain the altitude
near speed.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I always felt like you could crank it over a lot
more if you weren't concernedabout the altitude maintaining
altitude.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They were saying that you don't look at the runway
when you land.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Good, who was saying that?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I was saying that people, people at the other time
.
No, I look close in, I don'tlook way down.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Okay, I I still think that's weird.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, and maybe it's subjective, how far down do
people normally look?
Are they looking like at thehorizon?
Are they looking three thousandthree hundred yards down the
road or down the runway, likewhat is down the runway?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I look towards the end.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I probably look 300 yards ish 3 400.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I just said 3 400 yards yours.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, like that was so much I know.
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking, youdo the same thing I do now.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No maximum, I know.
No, I was just throwing thatrandom number out there, which
is weird that you kind ofdoubled down on it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I was thinking about.
You had said in yards, I'mthinking football fields, and
then yeah, like three footballfields.
I'm like, yeah, that's kind ofprobably what.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So probably not, because when you land at Hind,
you don't have that many foot,that many feet to begin with you
probably look at the billboard.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm looking at the end at the billboard once Wendy
Wendy sign was gone, it threwoff my Landings ever since.
That Wendy sign on route to.
That's how I gauge my wholelanding structure there and they
, they stop.
Sponsor in the billboard.
Don't use landmarks, everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's bad idea.
Period Anything, anythingaviation based other than like
navigation that's on a sectionalchart.
Don't use landmarks.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Is that what a gradient is?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
What is he talking about?
I don't see it.
The last one.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Has a gradient good.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , cuz if you think about it,
it's just sending away from youor it's coming up to meet you.
Yeah, if it's just sending awayfrom you, those are, those are
the hardest you ever landed atWheeling?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's almost like it's like a bowl.
It's like when you're coming in, when I can't which run away it
is, but you come in and it'slike you're going downhill.
Then you're going uphill at thevery end.
So that really throws you off.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I saw this runway.
It was a jet taken off onTwitter of Burnsville Mountain
Airport, which I'd actuallyspent a few days in Burnsville
last year.
Buddy's aunt lived there, okay,and it's like the runway is
Looks like a wave.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What's the identifier ?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I don't know.
Look up Burnsville Airport,burnsville what?
Burnsville Mountain Airport, Ithink it was.
What state is it in?
Oh, north Carolina.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay, yeah, sorry, burns always remember going
around as a sign of weaknesscornetiler.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's what Scott Boris Scott worse never goes
around.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's not making it tonight.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
No, I saw that text message.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hence the reason your sister is here.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yes, thank you for filling in Halle.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Not a problem I.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Do need more.
I only had one white claw andwe're already a A while at me
yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I actually have to say I'm surprised that you
Advertise that you drink like.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I this is the first time I've ever drank white claw
in here, so I thought it waslike a monumentous occasion that
should have been documented.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You can go grab a mom water.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I do a mom.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm a mom.
Water no.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I don't need the Nancy anymore today.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
She's not like Scott.
She's attacking Robin at you,lee.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I know that's easier.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
There's more yeah that's true, because you only
never got her in the plane to goup in there, you just yeah you
know, give her the white boardthe boring white board.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yep, all right, you guys hold this down while I mix
up a captain coke.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, dude, or a code and coke, whatever.
I'm gonna be quiet here for asecond, but I'm I'm getting some
.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, hallie can just ask questions about Saturday's
lesson or Sunday's lesson.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Sunday's lesson.
Okay, what are we starting with?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We are going to start with oh so.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Which island are we going to?
Which Do?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
they have good beaches.
Uh, no beaches.
I'm trying to think, oh,kelly's Kelly's has a beach down
there.
I'm trying to think who hasthis point in bay?
I don't think so.
They have a little bit of one, alittle bit of one, but we're
not going to see that.
We're just going to say here'sa male and we're going to unload
the mail, and then we're goingto go, and then we're going to
go to the North Bass and there'sgoing to be like maybe what?
(30:38):
Three people live on North Bassand we're going to go to their
post office, which is a little.
Which is a shack, which is ashack, and we're going to put
mail in the box and then we'regoing to pick up the mail.
Are they like right at theairport?
Oh yeah, it's right at theairport.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, like they get the post office keys.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And you have to open their box like you're a post
office person.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You're employee.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And yeah, and you stuff it in, and yeah, Even for
Kelly's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
No, no, kelly, someone meets us.
Yeah, just North Bass.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
North Bass, the only one without a postmaster.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yep, and that's what we're going to do.
But for your lesson we're goingto go over.
I'm just going to start out.
I'm going to show you what,like these are the errands,
these are the rudders, this isthe flaps, this is kind of what
they do.
And I'm going to show you thesix packs instrument and I'm
going to say here's what eachone of these instruments do.
And then we'll go through.
(31:29):
There will be a checklist thereand I'm going to go through the
checklist and say this is howwe start the plane, this is how
we go.
And then I'm going to say okay,I saw an airspeed.
The plane is going to want tolift off and we're just going to
go and we're going to pull back.
Just grab.
It probably trimmed out justenough that it just had 16 knots
.
It's just going to lift off inthere.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So is there anything that I could do to prepare for a
first lesson?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, you could get online so the lesson would be in
an archer, so you get the wholesetup and you could do like
some air flying.
You could do some chair flyingwhere you just sit there and
kind of look over.
Okay.
Well, this is all timid air,this is what this does, this is
what this does, and learn whatthose items do.
Oh, here's my yoke.
(32:12):
So what does my yoke do?
Well, it works my elevator andit works my ailerons.
And then where's my rudders?
Well, that's going to be myfoot pedals.
Well, in the archer, that alsoon the ground, that's what
steers us.
It's not the yoke, it's goingto be.
I don't think there's anythingthat a yoke steers.
Is there what?
do you mean In the jet, does itthe jet?
The yoke doesn't steer on theground with it.
(32:33):
No, so the rudders for thearcher itself, they're going to
steer like a diamond 20.
You would have brakes, your thebrakes steer it, because Swivel
front wheel.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, swivel front wheel Full cast ring front wheel
.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Full cast ring front wheel, also known as a swiveling
wheel.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, we're going to go with swivel, just like by
annual.
So, whatever it really says,we're going to the exact
opposite.
So, yeah, so you could prepareand then actually, as one of my
students I would already have aI would give you a thumb drive
that would have a list of likevideos and a lesson plan, and
then the lesson would say go tothis, here's some videos you
could watch your first lesson.
(33:13):
That would help you, you know.
So, whatever lesson I gave youand, like I said, that ASA
whiteboard stuff, it wouldactually have the lesson right
out there.
I would give you a link on thatthumb drive.
The link would have articlesthat you could read that are
online, and also videos you canwatch.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So that's very professional.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That seems pretty legit A thumb drive.
A thumb drive.
What do you got?
I don't even want to talk now,but no, no, no, but here's the.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
here's the story.
One man asked me.
Another CFI says hey, I got astudent that's having trouble
with communication.
They wanted to use my flightsim that I have, so I'm going to
do one better.
I went with the Leecommunication script that he
gave me as a student that Iwould use with my student.
Lee had made up this scriptthat gave you every possible
(34:04):
snare.
If you're going into a Delta,if you're going into a Charlie,
if you're flying from Portlandto Sundusky, what you would say
and it'd be like this person asa pilot, you would call this off
6, 9, 1, 9 whiskey departing.
And this was all done by Lee.
So I gave this to another CFIand it still has Lee's
communication on it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Where is this thing?
We should do like a wholeepisode on this.
It's got every singlepossibility.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, not everything, but it's the stuff that you're
going to need flying in thisarea and what you're going to
say and like it would even have,like if you went to Mansfield.
Here's what towers going to say.
Here's what you're going topossibly say back to tower,
things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh yeah, we need to recover this document for a show
you know what Lee can, lee can.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think it's in an email.
Oh man, this would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
I was going to say we could let Lee update it for a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But if you've got the raw copy, let's just roll with
that live I did it in the formatof the old instant messenger.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
We had like red and blue for the different people.
It did Remember that, yes yes,red and blue for who is talking
versus.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
This is very creative .
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh, let me see where I did with that that's the
hardest thing we've talked aboutand highlighted so much.
People are afraid to talk toATC and just this communication
is such a hurdle for people andit's like it's just another
person.
But if you can, if you can getdown the expectations, if you
could come blazing intosomebody's airspace, you're
going to have like a don't leavea couple of different
(35:34):
correspondences possible, likethey're going to clear you in,
they're going to tell you not tocome in.
It's like, and how's that goingto go, which I never really
addressed.
If they don't clear you in, butwhat's the likelihood of that?
If not, you go over there andhold, if that's your destination
airport.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Color coded.
Oh man, let's do an example.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Hold on, let me read that before you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It says Lee's communication.
This is from 2010.
Wow, oh man.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So I even have the cloud clearance and visibility
requirements for class Bravoright there.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
See, that's legit Yep man.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You.
That's exactly cause this isstill 438 Sierra.
Yeah, you approach controller,you approach controller.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We've got an official call sign for the show now.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I don't know if you heard that.
What's that it says?
We're always worried aboutusing bad tail numbers or saying
tail numbers.
We shouldn't say we have Ireserved 151, 151 whiskey
whiskey.
That's the official tail numberof the show.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
now All right, let me find one here we can go over Is
this what we want to do rightnow.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
You want to go over.
I kind of like in thisdirection Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Which what?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Let me find an easy one, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's fine, go ahead .
People like they're just yourbrother and Scott included, they
don't want to talk to ATC andso, like when you look at the
map airspace, you know it's atwo dimensional piece of paper
that they have to show threedimensional airspace on.
So there's like these rings andpeople go way out of their way
and fly around them.
When they could fly under themor if they wanted to talk to air
(37:08):
traffic control, they couldjust fly through them.
But you have to be confidentand and know kind of what you're
doing, what the expectationsare for everybody, and it would
save you a lot of timePotentially.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I've become more comfortable with ATC be the
tower airports, so what a goodclassic.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
So when I was learning this, I was still on
Sunoski fire department and Iwould have we were in the
ambulance.
I remember we're going back tostation and I would have someone
give someone a script and theywould, because as you came in
the station it was almost likeyou were going downwind base
Final.
So then, like I would callthose and they would make sure I
was doing it right, you know Iwould call, I would call out and
(37:48):
that it was awfully skipped.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But here's thinking someone on the gurney.
Like distract them from theirpain, like here.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Here's going into I'm going to Delta.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
You, good morning Burke, lakefront Tower.
Warrior for three eight Sierra,tower controller this is
controller talking out or threeeight Sierra, lakefront Tower.
You, lakefront Tower were four,three eight Sierra, six miles
West, 1800 feet.
Vfr inbound information.
Romeo were three, three eightSierra.
Proceed inbound.
Call two miles out.
Call two miles out were three,38, three eight Sierra.
(38:25):
Lakefront Tower were threeeight Sierra, two miles West,
where three eight Sierra makestraight in.
Six are apprentices right handrunway clear to land, clear to
land.
Six Right warrior three eightSierra.
Be mindful of which runway theyhad cleared you to land, in
parentheses, on Tower.
(38:46):
Now you're over to get ouragain.
Warrior three eight Sierra,turn right on.
Next text remain as frequencysay stay parking right.
Next Textway, this friction j Ga ramp.
Warrior three Sierra were threeSierra.
Taxi to G ramp via Via textwaygolf.
Like he went in depth and thiswas a correct.
Yeah, this is a Lee originaldocument.
(39:06):
I.
Mean should I send it so you canput this up on Jesus please?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
don't, you could post .
You got an account on it?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
No, don't just.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There's so many things good, though that is like
I gave that to someone that weshould have had.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The last episode where we were doing the ATC
stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, well, that what .
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Or two episodes, I wish I could have had that one
back.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That was just it's not super practical of what we
were trying to do.
I mean it was practical.
We were trying to do anapplication, not great.
This is just a Very vaguetemplate of like the different
scenarios that could come up.
It's not that hard.
That's what I try to.
People have all this anxietyabout towered fields and
(39:50):
whatever.
It's the same exchange everytime.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But, we should, but how?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
but how the script?
How the script?
They do have apps for thatalready were well, so that's
obsolete.
Yeah, but it wasn't at the time.
But no, still it worked outgood because, like you give it
to your, your wife, girlfriend,whoever, and they could be the
part of air traffic control andthey had it, they knew what to
say, and then you would say it Ithink it's plain English, is
the app where you know, you talkto it and it it'll tell you if
(40:17):
you said it correctly or youknow.
I'm pretty sure that's the app.
But anyway, but with least thingyou would get someone, like I
said, someone on the ambulancethat was driving, not the
patient would they would readback you know they would be the
part of air traffic controllerand that's how I was able to
learn and that's that would havebeen on the thumb drive for
your first lesson Would havebeen okay, and it was actually
(40:37):
lesson one, radio communication,something here.
Of course you wouldn't be doingradio communication your first
few lessons, but Least you'dhave something you could study
at home and you could practice100%.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That that was the point.
That was the point I mean itdoesn't cover every other.
Yeah, at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It was not a still good, did you ever use that,
like when yeah, I used to withmy state.
It's in my lesson.
It was in my thumb drive for mylesson plans.
I would give it to my students.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Okay, so how many students is now then through?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
you.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Even and, as a partial, I have achieved
immortality.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And don't forget last week another instructor who
never even met, lee.
Use that with their students.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Oh man, this is.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Legendary legend flight legend.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah right Island's flight legend.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yep, and now I'm afraid of thunderstorms.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh man, oh, those are scary.
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