#141 | Airplane Hunting: Super Cubs, Huskies, and Life Decisions - FAR AIM | Aviation Reg's | Aeronautical Info | FARAIM

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Far Aim Podcast, this episode.
We obviously have not done thisin a while and maybe we'll
explain later in the show.
Get into that a little bit.
I don't want to bore peoplebecause a lot of people may be
listening to this and they'relike I never even heard these
guys First one I'm listening to.
I don't want a backstory abouthow I'm probably not going to
hear any more episodes again, sowe'll just get straight into it

(00:23):
.
I don't have the intro musiceither.
We don't have the rights to themusic because we're cheap and I
stopped paying all the monthlysubscriptions.
This will be less editing inthis one because I don't have
the Adobe suite anymore.
I stopped paying for that.
Yeah, we're just kind of doingthis on the cheap, getting at
least one out this year.
Maybe we'll get a second one,We'll see.

(00:43):
We'd like to just randomly doit.
We're not hard pressed uhanymore to just get one out
every week or every other weeklike we used to uh, which in a
way makes it more enjoyable whenwe do do them, because yeah,
it's not like a job.
Yeah, it's it.
It got feeling like a job alittle bit there for a while,

(01:05):
yeah and uh.
But anyway, this we'll do.
Like what's that one guy rogan?
He just kind of goes into it,he's got his little doot-a-doot
spinny thing and then he justkind of starts talking.
So we'll do that, lee.
Yes, sir, you are airplaneshopping, from what I understand
, or?
Have been have been aircraftshopping for several months now

(01:29):
I think feels like the betterpart of my life.
I've been shopping really years,but it was more serious.
It took a more serious turnrecently and you've basically
you narrowed it down between anaviate husky and a piper super
cub.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Shockers right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
We had a few, a lot of discussion actually over the
last few months via the textmessage stream.
So we'll just try to pretendlike we haven't rehashed that.
How did you get down to thosetwo?
We'll get that, and then we'llget Scott's opinion afterwards
on what he thinks of those twopicks as your final two.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean boiling it down.
You know everybody, it's themission.
You've got to know what yourmission is and sometimes just
even qualifying that is superhard, as I kind of found,
because yes, airplanes are toget you from point A to point B
but that's not always your exactmission.
You want that nice summerevening or summer morning, fall

(02:35):
evening, fall morning, whatever,and so you just try to.
I try to just sift throughthose things as they pertain to
me.
I have a little bit of a missiongetting the family to where my
wife's family's lake house is,and that is very troublesome to
get to.
So a people mover kind of madesense and we kind of went

(02:56):
through this Cherokee 6 Saratogaconcept but then ultimately it
came down to it's going to sitmost of the year.
We got down to what would befun to fly could fulfill a
little bit of a mission as faras getting me there.
If I'm at work, the wife andkids are already there Getting
me there and it's fun all yearround for us to fly.

(03:17):
So I don't start to resent itsitting in a hangar in the
middle of February.
I'm going to be making thatpayment and I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
There was something that, very briefly before, you
had narrowed it down to the twothat we were talking about, and
then we started to look up allthe numbers of it and it started
to get insane and didn't makesense.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Do you remember what that was, Scott?
There was an airplane thatdidn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
The cost of owning a Cherokee.
6.
Of owning a Cherokee 6 or a.
Was it a Cherokee?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
6?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I thought it was something else, but maybe it was
the Cherokee 6.
It might have been a 172.
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, when you start thinking about A 182.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know, I don't know what it was briefly talked
about, but that was way longago before the numbers yeah
before the numbers started tohit the pen to paper.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Right.
Well, that would require havinga partner, and then even
between the two of us, it didnot make anywhere near any
financial sense the maintenancecosts and the operating costs To
purchase it and let it sitthere, that's one thing, but
once you're actually going to gouse it, I mean, it just goes
through the roof with the radialengine and the fuel consumption

(04:27):
.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Um, and just the lack 180, weren't we talking like
for 50?
Seconds about a 180 yeah,that's, that's right it was a
cessna 180, yeah, yeah 180 wouldbe a great one.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Four place, 150 knots and tail wheels would be a
little bit of fun.
But going out there, you knowyou, it's heavy enough that you
need a tug now or help to pushit in and out of the hangar and
it just it guzzles some gas.
Would it be fun?
Yeah, and it would be kind ofthe perfect airplane all in one.
But your costs are high.
Um, your initial purchaseprices are high, and then your

(05:03):
variable costs are all superhigh too well, we had to go.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
What was kind of the purchase price range?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
there was one for sale for like 190 and it had, if
I remember correctly, maybeclose to a worn out engine or
whatever.
But I mean you want to.
You're going to be about in the250 by the time you replace the
engine.
You're going to, on thatparticular one, you're going to
end up 230 to 250.
That's basically a 60,000installed engine okay and this

(05:30):
one needed it.
So, even though the purchaseprice was low and somewhat
affordable, it was going to needthe engine for 50 or 60 grand
installed yeah, and then whatwas the?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
what was the hourly cost on that?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
um, I well, I, I don't, I don't want to pull up
my.
I'm operating on a 2011 macbookair.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, so I don't even want to pull it up.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay, let's not crash the stream I remember that when
I was factoring in our flightto, uh, the island, uh, where my
wife's family's places, um,which was kind of going to be
it's a huge component of ourmission if we're using an
airplane for a mission um, itwas like 200 for the round trip
and like to take the car andeverything across like 35 bucks

(06:14):
on the boat.
That's a huge disparity.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah you can do round trip to there with
a car, with a car for no no, no,well, it's one way.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
So the one way in the 180 was going to be $195 or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh okay, so you're talking almost $400 round trip.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes, if I remember correctly.
Either way, it still proves thepoint.
That might be a little bit off.
It may have been $195 for theround trip, 195 for the round
trip.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Still irrelevant, that's a ton of money difference
from loading stuff in a car,driving down the boat.
That seems way more thankelly's island ferry 35 bucks
for a car how much is it, scott?
Yeah, that's probably right.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Okay, I thought it was nine bucks a person plus a
car also remember it's twice asfar, literally twice as far,
okay, yeah, that's why it's atwo-hour boat ride.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It didn't seem as much to me I think it's like
more than twice as far, becausekelly's is only like a half hour
from.
Yeah, you're leaving out ofsandusky, we're not talking all
the way to pelee yeah, well,that's that's true.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, you're going marblehead, but yeah, yeah, yeah
very prices, irrelevantairplanes.
So yeah, we started yeah,basically started diverging,
like, okay, her schedule, myschedule, and it started to make
more sense like, hey, let'smaybe alter how we're going to
satisfy the mission, utilizingher schedule, her, her work,

(07:37):
flexibility.
Let you get there with the car,all the stuff we need, and then
I'll come and go kind of as Ineed to, in something small to
just hold to me and maybe alittle bit of stuff they need,
kind of need like supplies,whatever.
I'm coming up a couple of dayslater than they got there.
So they ran out of milk, Idon't know, and.
But then it's also somethingfun for the rest of the year put
it on skis, maybe put it onfloats.

(07:59):
It would get used on those nicefall evenings, summer evenings,
on those nice fall evenings,summer evenings, and that kind
of sparked one day and it's kindof like, okay, I can get what I
want, we still can do ourobligations with changing our
schedules a little bit in thesummertime and I can get the
plane that I want.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And you can get back to the United States Cleveland
area.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you get called in.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
You can keep that beautiful yellow uniform on in
the back.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Exactly Always ready to go, always ready to serve.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, all right.
So Aviat.
Husky Piper Super Cub Yep, theywere similar priced, weren't
they Like?
Ballpark ranges?
Yep, what are those going forthese days?
For a decent one used.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Here in the $150,000 to $200,000 range for decent
examples of both.
Okay, to $200,000 range fordecent examples of both.
Well, actually I shouldn't saythat.
For some odd reason, huskiesare, depending on how new they
are and how they're optioned outand whatever, they can be
somewhat affordable.
You're in the low 200s.
But the one I was looking at Iwant to say it was like $175,000

(09:23):
.
But it was a 2005 Husky and Iand we can get into the
specifics of why a Husky is aHusky and not a super cub.
But the super cubs, you know,they're around 200.
You can get a good one like acrazy nice one for 250.
I'm always trying to look under200.
And then I had these twoexamples one was about 175, they

(09:45):
were both about 175, 180 is thebottom line.
Vastly different capabilities,some good, you know some some
good in one and some bad in theother.
It so, and then the decisiontree continues from there all
right under 200 is where I waslooking okay, so price point

(10:05):
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
It's not crazy different from uh a 180, but no
but the operating no, no it'snot exactly.
It's a lot more right thepurchase price exactly is in the
same spitting, differentspitting distance.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's the right and you're getting a lot more
airframe cost your value of yourairframe in a Super Cub, which
I don't know.
That it makes sense to mebecause you can open up a
catalog and basically build aSuper Cub from scratch.
But for some odd reason youknow those engines you can go
get a brand new firewall forwardfor like $30,000.
Call maybe $35,000 installed.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
So half the price for the firewall forward on the
super cub really versus versus a180 yeah, yeah, I guess that's
probably true yeah, afour-cylinder, you're talking 60
, 70 000 for file for the 180for the 180, yep, yep, and 35
installed, probably for thesuper cub.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Um, so that's a big difference.
So all that tells me is itdoesn't make sense.
But all that tells me.
If I can very accuratelyquantify a firewall forward cost
, the rest has to be airframecost.
Yeah, and it doesn't make senseto me.
The parts availability forSuper Cubs is insane.

(11:26):
There's a bunch of companiesmaking that are PMA parts
manufacturing approval for SuperCubs.
You can go to any number ofsources and build one from
scratch.
Basically, as long as you have,like, the data tag in all the
certified and that's FAA stuff,but they're well supported, faa
stuff, but they're wellsupported.
But for some odd reason, theairframe cost that's the only

(11:48):
deductive thing that I can comeup with is the airframe cost in
a Super Cub is higher than a 180, which blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
What about a Husky?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
So Huskies, for some odd reason, their value, their
airframe value, is.
I don't want to say that itdoesn't retain its value as well
, but it is certainly not assought after an airframe as a
Super Cub is.
It's heavier, it's better.
In a lot of ways.
They had time to kind ofleapfrog off the back of all the

(12:20):
work that people are doing inthe field, in alaska, bush,
flying all the most popular modspeople were doing at rebuilds,
recovers, they wereincorporating when they built
the airplane, when they designedthe airplane, and uh, and so I
think that that's cool in thatregard and for somebody like me,
a husky would be a really goodfit Because of the performance

(12:47):
yeah, the performance.
I don't need to extract everyounce of performance here.
We don't have mountains, wedon't have hills and things like
that, and I'm not going to goland on a gravel bar.
That's just not me.
I think it's cool, I lovewatching that stuff and I really
appreciate the guys who havethe skill and the ability to do
that to scout the area, makesure it's going to be safe, to

(13:08):
do it and then go do it.
I could watch that stuff foreveron YouTube or whatever.
That's just not me, like, let'sbe realistic, but can you have
kind of pretend bush flying andwill the Husky do everything
that I need it to do?
Yeah, the big advantage in myopinion in the husky do
everything that I need it to do.
Yeah, the big advantage in myopinion, in the husky is when
it's time to pack up and go homeand you've had your fun doing

(13:30):
your pretend bush fly at this,you know shorter, manic, well
manicured grass strip.
When you're done doing that,you can do 140 miles an hour to
get home, not 80 miles an hourwhich is convenient which is
very convenient.
Yeah, I mean you got some reallegs on a husky that no super
cub really is gonna no super cubis gonna touch then why go with

(13:53):
the super cub?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
what?
Why do people go with super cubthen?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
well in in.
They're very light.
Um, do they have some drawbacks?
You know the cabin is tighter.
They don't have unless you'vemodified it.
You don't have an externalbaggage door.
So these things that I'mlisting are kind of things that
the Husky already has baked intothe cake.
When they come off the assemblyline, an external baggage door,
they have the same baggageweight limit in about the same

(14:21):
spot.
Much more accessible with anexternal baggage door and a cub,
get a lean over the back seatto do it.
And if you've ever tried toreach into a cub, there's just
it's just awkward, to say theleast.
So a popular mod is to do that.
External baggage door.
Husky's already got that.
But, uh, the the drawbacks withthe super cub.
Um, you don't have the speedand because you don't have the

(14:45):
speed you just don't have therange.
You have to add a lot of fuelto end up equaling the range the
husky already has.
Because it has a lot of, it hasmore fuel capacity out of the
gate, but then it's also fastertoo.
So those two components reallystretch the range in a husky to
make it a little bit morepractical.
For the a to b concept, thesuper cub Cub though it's light.

(15:06):
It's light.
It has a very low stall speed.
Part of that is a byproduct ofbeing so light.
The airfoil doesn't have towork as hard to keep it in the
air because it doesn't have tocreate the pounds of lift.
It's just simple kind of mathand that can get you places If
you keep it light.
You're always going to school ahusky Keep light with the right

(15:28):
prop and things like that.
If it's apples to apples, youcan be the super comes going to
come out on top.
It's just not going to win anyraces.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So in your example, your main mission getting out to
the island on Lake Erie is youdon't need a lot of that Like
the performance stuff Would itbe nice to have, yeah, but it's
not really a requirement foryour main requirement of the

(15:59):
airplane which helps in thatdecision.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, it does help you, kind of sort through it a
little bit and give you a littlebit more direction.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Scott Husky Super Cub .
Is that what Lee should havefallen on, or should?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
he have gone in a different route.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
No, I'd go Cessna 150 .

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah really why.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
It really does check all the boxes?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
please tell yeah, inform me where I went wrong it
has two seats yep check it'sgonna go anywhere same as both
of those, yep, it's gonna goanywhere.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
you would go in those .
Where are you gonna go in thosethat you can't go in?
A 150.
Similar speed to the Super Cub,not as fast as a Husky.
Yep, yep.
And a tiny fraction of theprice.
What are 150s going for?
Like good examples these days,scott, I don't know.
I haven't looked lately, but Iwould imagine like 30 to 40.

(17:01):
I don't know.
I feel like they were more thanthat when Lee and I were
looking them up a year and ahalf ago.
Well, your guys' airplanes andmy airplanes are different types
of things.
How so?
Because Lee would never evenconsider buying the 150 that I
have.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I wouldn't either, though.
So when I say 35, I assume Iwould have guessed that mine's
probably worth $35.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Okay, so now picture a nice one.
Then if yours is worth $35.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
So maybe you're looking more like $45.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
$45, $50, I think, all day long.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, for a nice paint job with a low mid-time
engine.
You're probably looking at 45,50.
Yeah there's an abundance of150s with low airframe time.
I've seen that a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, and that's getting harder.
And a 152, you're just notgoing to find, Even though the
152 to me is more desirableyou're not finding the flow time
.
You want the 40 degrees offlaps.
I want the 40 degrees of flaps.
I want the 40 degrees of flaps.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh, I love the 40 degrees of flaps it makes me
look good on so many occasions50 feet

Speaker 3 (18:11):
just put them in you can fix a terrible, terrible
approach.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You can fix an overshot runway in just like
that.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Three seconds.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Anyway, why are you overshooting the runway?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
how did you get yourself in that situation?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
because I fly like once a year, yeah I haven't seen
either one of you be close toovershooting the runway ever no,
because I have 40 degrees offlaps.
I don't know well, I guess I Idon't really remember how often
you've used the 40 degrees offlaps when I've flown with you.
Oh, I don't know Well, I guessI don't really remember how
often you've used the 40 degreesof flaps when I've flown with
you.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh, I don't know.
Unless it was a bitchingcrosswind, I'd always throw it
in because I thought it was fun.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It seems every time Scott and I go fly there is a
bitching crosswind though.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, you can only do like 10 or 20 if you got that
going on or like gustyconditions and stuff you got to
pull the.
You can only go so high.
But yeah, on most days whereit's perfect that Scott's flying
.
With zero wind, zero anything,there's no reason not to use 40.
Right, and I like to maintaingliding distance to the runway

(19:16):
throughout the pattern.
I agree you should, yeah, Scotthave you ever added 40, gone
from 30 degrees to 40 degrees inthe middle of a flare and
ground effect?
Oh yeah, I'm sure I have.
Have you ever gone?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
from 30 to 40 and then back to 30, like on final
at some point.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
No, I just add power.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Okay, gotcha, okay, I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
No, never take flap out, I just add power, okay.
Yeah, gotcha.
Okay, just kidding, I was justcurious.
No, never take flap out, I justadd power, okay, so let's.
So you're getting a, you'regetting a plane.
You understand, lee, and alittle bit my concept.
Let's focus on kind of Lee'svision, and you know that's not
acceptable.
What, what are?

(20:04):
Name some other aircraftbesides those two?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
well, a cessna 150 tim is just too, I mean it's
just too basic it's too basic.
It doesn't excite me like Iwould rather not fly.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I owned it loved it for years had I kept the one I
had.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I regret selling it, but you know, yeah, you had a,
yeah, you had a great one.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's.
That's in the past and I just Ihave no interest in going back
to 150 I don't blame you for thecommuting aspect.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know, like you going to work back and forth in
the 150 and and, uh, like otherindividuals, we know that
basically commute kind of with a150.
I totally get it.
I totally get it, and scott isnot wrong.
Like okay, dummy, you're gonnahave two seats, you're gonna do
about 100 miles an hour.
Why not spend 45 grand on anice 150?
Yeah I get it.

(21:02):
It's never gonna get flown.
It's just, it's never gonna getflown 150 is still fun to fly.
No yeah, how often do you fly,yours, scott, you're.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
You're a dreaming example of how often you fly a
150 when you own one.
Yeah, like once a year at least.
Yeah, I always make sure to flyyou're saying how awesome it is
to fly and how great it is toown a 150.
Use it once a year.
I could own the most fun planein the world to fly and I would

(21:32):
fly it once a year.
I don't.
I don't know if you if youdon't know if you had a
if you had a super cub it or ahusky in your hangar and you
were proficient in it.
You might walk over to it oncein a while and fly it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
If I was proficient in the 150,.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I would fly it more, okay.
Well then, we got to work onthat, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
But it just seems like if you fly it more, you are
more proficient.
Yeah, I'm not even proficientenough to go fly it.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I need a flight review.
I'm not even current, it's abiannual.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
A biannual.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
The old biannual, there was an article.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I got magazines for show prep and I forgot to put
the Post-it notes where they are.
So I forget why, but I knowsomewhere in these magazines the
article may as well have beentitled why Lee Griffin is Wrong
and Robert and Scott are Right.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
as well have been titled why lee griffing is wrong
and robert and scott are rightyeah, and I couldn't find it
weird that you forgot to putthat sticky note in there.
I know they didn't.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I didn't title it basically yeah, that's what they
could have named it well, well,okay, back to this 150 thing.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I totally, and I almost feel I feel terrible,
even saying this out loud toanybody else.
I looked at piper tomahawks,the old t-tail trainer side by
side, like big bubble windowkind of thing, and just to see
like, what was out there, whattype?
Because, like you brought upthe 150s, the 152s, super high
total time, an airplane thatsatisfied the same role in

(23:04):
general aviation uh, just atrainer, not good for anything
else, about 100 knots, uh,cramped cockpit, all that stuff.
You can find it.
There's not that, there was notthat many made.
They're only made for a fewyears and they not nearly like
150 or 152.
They just never quit makingthose things by comparison yeah
and you can get some decent,decent airframe times four

(23:26):
thousand four thousand fivethousand hour airframes with a
lycoming o235 like whatever 115,118 horsepower, whatever they
were for those um, and but theywere in the 40s and 50s and it's
like that excites me more thana 150 does.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
But why?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, only because I've never flown one, but only
because of what I've been told.
I was always told that some ofthe characteristics that were
somewhat built into the designof the Tomahawk you had to use
your feet a lot more.
There's more adverse yaw, soyou had to use your feet more,
and things like that.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I always heard they were harder to fly.
That sounds like a reason Scottwouldn't like it Right and
that's the reason you like it.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
And I guess in a sense, I mean I didn't.
You know, I'm not trying tomake it that way, but yeah, that
, that that excited.
And the Piper, you know what Imean.
I'm just, you're a Piper guy, Iam, and it just just it's hard
to say I'm going to go get thecessna.
It's just, if you're looking atlike you're doing the points
tally, I mean they're already ata minus three before you even

(24:32):
get down anywhere down the sheet.
That's just the way it is.
The cessna 180 is maybe a minusone, but it still is a minus
one.
It just is.
I don't know why.
Just because it's a why.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Just because it's a.
Cessna, just because it's aCessna Piper's a couple hours
north of me.
Lee, we got to go drop theGriffin name sometime and get a
tour.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Nobody working there now evenremembers, I'm sure.
Okay, but I've toured thatfactory a couple times in Vero
Beach.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh, have you, yeah, I have not.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, you should, you should, if they're still even
doing tours.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Okay.
So why didn't you go with?
Is that because it's not aPiper?
Why didn't you go with that?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
The Piper Tomahawk.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, never mind Duh, yeah, yeah,so Wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Why didn't you go with that?
I should say I was.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Why?
Ultimately, I just feel like itgot me back to what that is to.
It is all the Husky and theSuper Cub were, in terms of it's
only two seats.
So that's a negative for me.
Only two seats is a negative,but it didn't have the redeeming

(25:42):
attributes that the Husky andthe Super Cub do have the fun to
fly, although being a littlemore challenging, whatever.
That would be cool in its ownright, and you don't see that
many of them, but that's notenough to get me on a nice day.
When I wake up in the morningand run to the window, I'm not
going to be like, oh, mytomahawk's waiting for me.
I'm not going to do that, but Iam going to be with one of the

(26:06):
tail wheel, things like that.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Scott, you don't look out your window and see oh, my
150 is waiting for me, it'swaiting for me, one of these
other 150s is waiting for me tochop it up.
Scott can actually go run tohis plane if he felt that way,
giddy and he doesn't skip.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
He'd be skipping.
He's not walking anywhere.
Scott, when's the last time youskipped to your hangar.
I don't know that I everskipped to my hangar.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
When was the last time you did anything other than
drive the golf cart?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, okay, sometimes I walk, but I usually take the
golf cart or sometimes I takethe truck if I have a reason to.
I see.
But I usually golf cart or walk.
It's right there, it's likeprobably like 500 feet.
Tyler's saying you sometimesstumble to your golf cart.
Sometimes, yeah, not as muchanymore, but yeah, summertime

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Dan said he deleted his Rumbleaccount and now he has to watch
20 minutes of ads before he getsto hear us.
I didn't know that I paid $10this month to Rumble.
I thought it was supposed tonot make the ads come across.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I have a Rumble account.
There's a limited RumblePremium.
Yeah, I think you still getlimited ads.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I have Rumble Premium and Pro the Premium's
like $100 a year, I think okay,and then the pro is like I
figured out the bandwidth toactually do the live stream
anyway, yep, uh where were weairplanes?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
right?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
yeah, I think so yeah , something about so redeeming
qualities.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yes, tomahawk had none.
None, yeah, none.
Piper, it said Piper on theside.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
What about?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
affordability.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
And low operating costs.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, I mean it's back to what Scott was saying
with the low operating costs ofthe 150.
A little bit more stick andrudder, I'm told.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I've never flown one, but that's what I'm told.
I haven't flown one either.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, most people haven't.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I wouldn't say what about a 150-150 with a stole kit
?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I mean you are getting closer right.
Yeah, you're right there.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean you're yeah A 150-150 with a stole kit
on it.
What can't you do with that?
We've talked about this beforeand that's always seemed like a
very interesting airplane.
But lee pointed out on oneepisode that it might take away
that sports car feeling with allthat extra weight out front,
which I don't know if it's true.
I've never even I've neverflown, I've never spoken to
anybody that's even flown one,but it would make sense that it

(28:37):
would.
Yeah, there's too much.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
You got a much bigger engine out there.
You got a much bigger prop outthere.
You know, I mean you're, you'regoing from think about this
you're going from a, a, um, a 69inch diameter prop to a 74 inch
diameter, which, yeah, okay,whatever, who knows what that is
in pounds?
Right, but um, when you thinkabout it's got to be wider all

(28:59):
the way out and it's just theproportions, I mean you're
probably adding hell, I don'tknow.
You're probably adding eightpounds right on the nose.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Between those two concepts, it makes me wonder
because because I feel like itit might be like a 172 at that
point, which is a dog to flycompared to the 150 I always,
yeah, I always hated running172s.
I still don't like it to thisday because it's, it's just,
it's like so dog, like comparedto the 150 just because of the

(29:34):
handling characteristics.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, the handling of it well, and it's probably
honestly worse than the 150.
150 is probably worse, to behonest with you, it was not.
I mean, obviously it is solight and enjoyable to fly with
the way it is now.
I mean it's very possible to methat it's worse than a 172 is

(29:56):
you don't have any of that metalbehind you.
You know what I mean.
You got no extended bag.
You got no baggage compartment.
There's a lot of metal behindyou in a 172 to help it be about
as balanced as it can be.
But I know from like in a in theCherokee series after 79, they
move the batteries fromunderneath the back seat to up

(30:17):
on the firewall and yeah, I meanthat's 30 pounds but that's a
huge shift in where that, themoment right, you're moving it
way further forward from a cgperspective.
So when you're solo and you'renot, you know you're not putting
anything in the back to helpcounteract that that battery
move.
That 30 pound battery weight,um, it's, I mean it's a
noticeable difference in thoseairplanes like noticeable, I

(30:40):
mean I've flown them both a lotso maybe I can feel it a little
bit more than somebody justrenting an airplane.
But yeah, I mean by comparisonthe 1980s and on, they fly a lot
worse than the 79.
That's why I think 79 is kindof the golden year for all those
Cherokee series airplanes forthat reason, because they're so

(31:01):
balanced when you're flying themsolo.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'll be right back.
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So I don't know if you want to say you pretty much
narrowed it down.
Yeah, on what you want.
Yeah, okay, I mean, are we?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
If you're comfortable , Sharon.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Oh yeah, no, no, I just want to make sure.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I just wondered if anybody else I don't want to
spill any beans.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't want to spill your beans.
If you want to spill your ownbeans.
Well, I wish there was moreactivity in the chat so people
could weigh in what they think.
That maybe I did Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
So chat, we got to get a guess and then maybe Lee
will tell us if you're right ornot.
Super cub or husky, what didlee decide to go with?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
yeah, there we go, we can leave that hang for a
little bit.
I mean, scott raises, I mean agreat point for everybody else
making these decisions.
And maybe I'm a little bitdifferent in just I've flown a
lot of things and I've flown alot of GA and I still fly for a

(32:14):
living.
So when I'm not flying for aliving, I want something as
different from that as possible.
The tricycle gear, that'spretty much, unless it way
satisfies the mission and I cangrow with it kind of.
And that's what the Cherokee 6did have a lot of merit for us.

(32:36):
But ultimately we started torealize well, there's the
weekends where I'm not evengonna be able to go at all.
My wife's still gonna want togo.
So the plane sets all winterlong the planes gonna sit and
Then when we do use it, moreoperating cost is pretty high.
Will it be awesome?

(33:01):
When we're actually flying itto the island, when we load up
all of our stuff, our dog andkids and whatever, and we go,
I'm be like, yeah, this iswhat's, but all winter long I'm
going to be pissed that I'mmaking that payment, I'm paying
that hangar rent, and that'sreally where I really diverted
and was like we got to getsomething fun and we'll figure
out.
We have other airplanes to use.
We can always rent.
We can take the boat.
There are other remedies forgetting people where we want to

(33:28):
go, but for the fun it's justsuch a what I consider to be fun
, very narrow uh segment.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You're just too picky you're too picky, we got we got
some uh.
We got some couple peopleweighed in uh in the chat here.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, francis and Stuart.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Let's see if Tyler will.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Is Tyler here?
What's Tyler guessing?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
They're the only ones active, so let's see.
So all right.
So Dan's Dan saying Super Cub,Francis saying Husky.
Let's see if we can get Tylerto weigh in.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Where's Dan?
I don't see Dan.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Isn't that the?
Stewart, that's Stewart Out inHawaii, oh yeah, oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
So Stewart's saying Super Cub.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
All right.
Scott you know what, you knowthe answer.
So you can't participate.
Oh, yeah, unless you justignored the group chat the last
week.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
He may have.
Honestly, I think he tunes meout.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I know, Unless I tag it.
You got it on mute.
You put Lee and I on mute.
He's like we're not doing thispodcast thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I know what the answer is I check it every once
in a while, you guys.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I work all day.
You guys are playing around onthe group message.
Lee and I take a lunch.
This guy's like these guysdon't do any work, right?
You guys are screwing aroundall day.
I work from 5 am to 9 pm everyday, okay, okay.
So all right, tyler must besleeping must be.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, well, he's west coast time, I don't know, yeah.
So I went with a.
So it's a little left field, soit is a super cub.
But I went with a.
I found a.
I was about to go see ahigh-horsepower, highly-modified
Super Cub.
So I'm talking to somebody thatI trust their opinion.

(35:32):
They've flown all of theseairplanes and he's like well, I
know where there's a really nice90-horsepower Super Cub.
I'm like that's exactly what Ineed no Neptune, neptune,
neptune, king Neptune, coming in.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
No, neptune, neptune, Neptune, king Neptune, coming
in for the good advice.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yes, oh well, you can always rely on him.
He just gets my perspective onand you know it's like you guys,
like you kind of know what I'mafter.
You may have differing opinions, but you get it what I am kind
of after and I can take youradvice to heart, like when we're
of after, and I can take youradvice to heart like when we're
being serious.
I can take your advice to heartthat you'll try and steer me in

(36:08):
like what you truly believewill be the best thing for what
I am trying to do.
And I knew that I could counton him for this as well.
So he told me about this 90horsepower one which, back to
scott's point, that brings ouroperating way down.
I mean like less than Cessna150 operating cost.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Man, scott, you're getting hosed on your 150 idea
here, but how much performanceare you losing on that 90 horse?
It's still going to smoke the150 by a lot yeah.
By a lot, dude.
But what are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
150?
By a lot, yeah, no, by a lot,dude.

(36:48):
Well, I mean, but what are yougoing to do?
What are you going to do that Ican't do A lot Tell me If I
chose to.
Have people come over and lookat his airplane on?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
the ramp.
That's true.
That is step one yeah, somebodynot be afraid to fly in it.
There's that.
That is step one.
Yeah, somebody not be afraid tofly in it.
There's that.
But it's a very light example.
It weighs about 760 emptyweight, so incredibly light, and

(37:19):
with me in it half tanks.
I mean I am anxious to see howshortly I can land to take off
in this thing yeah um, it's gota great.
This particular plane has agreat pedigree.
I mean it's just I can't, Ican't wait, but back to the
bottom line, 90 mile an hour,cruise, five gallons an hour and

(37:40):
I mean, do the annual in acouple hours.
Yeah, Not that a 150 is muchmore than that.
But I don't have electric flaps.
There's no electrical system atall.
There's no electric flaps toworry about.
There's no flat motor, there'sno.
You know, you don't hardly needto take out any screws to swing
inspection panels.
I mean just so many things,little things like that that add

(38:04):
up.
But obviously it would takeforever to recoup the difference
in purchase price which Itotally get.
What's the purchase price on the90 horse 90 grand, 90 grand, 90
grand yeah for this one, and Imean you can get, if you do, a
little bit of a later model withelectric and stuff, which to

(38:25):
somebody is probably moredesirable.
Me, I want a hand prop.
I don't want to have like, Idon't want that adsb nonsense.
I don't want to have to dealwith any of that.
I want.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Basically, you don't have a starter no starter oh,
you gotta have a starter no, nopaperweight man oh man, this
thing was 760 empty dude yeah, Imean that's light, I think our
j3.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It says 699 on the paperwork.
There is no way it has got tobe 730.
740 would be my guess.
So I mean, this is a super cub,so a lot more power.
Everything was wrong.
Got a 50 pound baggagecompartment, not like a 12 pound
or 20 pound little hat shelfthing, it's just solo from the
front.
You got heat for the wintertime.

(39:09):
All the things that were wrongwith the Super Cub or on this J3
.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Cub are fixed on this one.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
So it was this particular one.
Has a phenomenal pedigree, beenwell maintained for years,
recently restored 40 hours onthe engine oh, wow yeah.
I mean it's for years.
Recently restored 40 hours onthe engine.
Oh wow, yeah, I mean, it justfell into my lap.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I'm excited to go for a ride in it this summer.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Dude.
Oh, I can't wait to get it home, so hopefully it'll be home in
the next couple weeks.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay, nice, yeah, yeah, congrats on that.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah thanks.
Just got to wait for theweather to get good to bring it
home.
Sweet yeah, yeah.
So it's not exactly the trueSuper Cub that everybody's
thinking 150 horsepower with bigtons of tires.
It's not like that, but it isstill obviously a Super Cub.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I think the Super Cubs will hold their value more.
That's anecdotally, I don'tknow.
Maybe somebody's done analysison it they probably will.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I just think it'll hold, no, you better and go up
in value more than a husky would, or a lot of things would, no
doubt, no doubt it's more.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I don't know how you quantify this, but to me it's
just more of an heirloomaircraft like you, you would
never be tempted really to sellno, you're at your versus a
Husky, because you're right.
Maybe you get something elseand keep that in the back corner
of the hangar.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Exactly, yeah, and that's so interesting.
You've hit on all like theemotional aspect of it and
you're dead nuts on and I don'tknow.
Like you said, I don't know howto qualify it either, but
there's just something about itwhere that Husky, it just has a
different connotation, it justgets more, it gets something
different out of you.

(40:52):
Yeah, mission-oriented, it cango fast, it can go far, it can
do most, it would do everythingthat I'm going to do with it, to
Scott's point but just like a150 would.
But it just doesn't get any.
It doesn't get the sameemotions but the rawness, for
some odd reason, of the supercub does.

(41:12):
And then this is in a sensemore docile and whatever,
because it is such a watereddown version.
It's the original, you know.
It's low horsepower, low weight, doesn't hold much fuel,
doesn't have an electricalsystem, but it still does.
It's everything.
A J3 isn't without that crazyprice tag of the $250,000.

(41:36):
The entry price is a lot lower.
What do you think of that,scott?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I support that.
I mean, I I wouldn't spend 90000 on an airplane, but that's
just me, because I don't flyenough to justify it.
But you have a free place tokeep it though, scott.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well not free, but like I have a property now that
I don't fly you paid for thebuilding and everything.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, but compared to other, people, it's easy for
you to have a, yeah, have aplane, yeah, um, yeah, I just, I
love the super cub I was on.
I was on team super cub duringthe, the weeks of texting back
and forth the whole time, younever wavered I never, and I

(42:25):
tried to get you to go the otherway, but no I'm not against the
the husky.
I think for a lot of people, uh,it would be the obvious choice,
um, just for depending on their, their like, if they had a
mission where you needed some ofthat performance that the husky
has, some of the speed, some ofthe if you needed an ifr
certified aircraft huskies canbe certified that super cubs.

(42:48):
You can't get ifr certified.
There's a lot of upside of theof the husky, but unless you
need that stuff, super cubs isso much cooler you didn't like
the dog on the tail either?
no, no, I used to, and then Igot over it.
It was cool to me at first, andnow I see photos and it bothers

(43:11):
me a little bit.
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, and we talked about that, those are super vain
, as that type of stuff soundsEven like we talk about the
radio call.
Do you want to be saying Huskyover the radio, or do you want
to be saying Super Cub, superCub sounds call.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Do you want to be saying husky over the?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
radio you want to be saying super cup, and now I have
radio, so I'm not saying any ofit anyways, but yeah what are
you gonna do about a radio?
I'm gonna have to be creative.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
They have a hardwired push a talk on the stick.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,hold on no electrical system.
How are?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
you gonna go?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
to canada with it okay, but but why?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
what are you getting at?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I thought part of the mission was so you could go to
peely okay, so you literallywere probably not listening to
hardly anything.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I said this whole time I was listening.
Well, no, we deviated themission the part of the mission
barely so that you could meet upwith them at pelee, but that is
a very, very minor.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
And then, if you get called you, can throw your
yellow uniform on with yourepaulets, because you look so
good in yellow now your yellowuniform and fly it to go do your
day job.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Right, we don't wear yellow uniforms, you look great
in yellow.
Well, I do look good in yellow.
No, Scott, we're going to doother things.
We're going to use otherairplanes, or they're going to
take the boat.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I know them, but you said you wanted to be able to
meet up with them.
So can this airplane not go toCanada.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
No, it cannot go to Canada.
Why can't it go to Canada?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Because you don't have an electrical system.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Why do I need an electrical system so you can't
put ADS-B in it, if you don'thave ADS-B, you can't go to.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Canada.
It doesn't need it if it wasnot originally certified with an
electrical system.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yes, oh, so you can go to Canada.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yes, of course, I can go to height okay.
So what you do and I probablywon't do this most of the time,
but what you do, well, I reallyfly really low over the water
and pretend to be a boat exactlyexactly um low and slow,
they'll just think you're a boatyeah yeah, it is yeah, it is
basically that fast throwtightly wrapped packages out
while you're going, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
You have to call the controlling air traffic control
facility and tell them yourestimated time of border
crossing.
Estimated time and position ofborder crossing.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
And then what kind?
Of how accurate do you have tobe?
Do you have to be like preciseor like live stream, starting
precise?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Well, I'm hoping it's closer to live stream, starting
precise.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It's a lot of a lot of leeway.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, well, I mean, luckily it's such a short flight
that how far off could I be?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Well, I mean I know there's ahuge, probably huge window,
depending on the wind,especially with something so
slow.
I'm definitely going to figurethat out before I go do it.
But also, yes, this would bekind of an emergency raft to get

(46:16):
me there to meet up with them,so they didn't have to wait for
me.
But then that opens a whole canof worms.
There's no hangers there,there's barely tie downs.
So I have like kind of my prideand joy sitting out there over
the weekend and a storm rollsthrough and hail, and it's just,
you don't get any rest that way.
Bunch of drunks driving by ingolf carts.

(46:39):
Well, yeah, kind of.
I mean, yeah, it's a dirt roadthere.
So I mean you're not lyingthere, but there's a.
It's a dirt road in the way thewind is.
A lot of times it blows thedust like right over all the
airplanes and they just getcaked.
And then it's like, well, I gotto be able to see out the
frickin windshield.
So like, how do I clean thewindshield without scratching it
?
You?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
don't have anything there.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, that's still going to do with the amount of
dust I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about a fine,Dude.
No, you've got to rinse it withwater.
I mean, we're talking theamount of caked-on dirt as if it
was in a barn for five years.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
ShamWow.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
ShamWow, yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah, whatever You're
getting there, you're gettingthere Windex.
So those are the things NotWindex.
You're getting there, you'regetting there Windex.
So those are the Not Windex.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So you're not taking it to Peely anymore.
Well, I will, but I'm going tobe very selective.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not going to be.
Yeah, scott, that was stupid.
That was just stupid.
No, why don't you get thatlittle?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
It'll be minimal you can order those big things where
youed on it, it's got zippers.
You could spend 45 minutesadjusting zippers and get that
thing.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
It's basically a hanger.
It's basically a hanger.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, well, I mean I would do if I was going to make
a big plan and have it there.
There are a couple companiesBruce's Custom Covers they make
all the covers you're talkingabout and they have ones that
have hail protection so thatthey have like foam on the top,
you know, so that it can helpwith some hail, obviously golf

(48:13):
or softball size, probably notgoing to do a lot, but for most
hail you're going to get it'dprobably be good and that would
give me some peace of mind.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Glass beer bottles from Drunk Canadians Glass beer
bottles.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
And then there's another one Iwant to say maybe Alaskan,
alaska wing covers or Alaskacovers I could look it up, but I
guess they're not promoting us.
But they're another one that Ifound and they will custom make
different widths of differentdensities of padding and they're

(48:43):
infinitely customizable, whichI really liked, that aspect of
it.
So if I was going to have it upthere you know and do that and
not and worry minimally I woulddefinitely invest in those
covers, but I I'd be veryselective when I take it up and
then I'll come up with aalternate plan to get up there,
if that's what it comes to forme and those.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
There's no milk jugs in this flight profile, as
they're pointing out in the chat.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Well, we yeah well, we didn't get there yet we
didn't get there.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I definitely throw some in the back, just in case
you go down over the lake yeah,yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well, since I'll be going by myself too, I'll have
extra room instead of thepassenger you.
I can put the milk jugs thereThrow three or four of them back
there.
Why not?
Absolutely.
You can never be too safe whenyou go down.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
a couple of them might fall out and float away.
You might as well have someextras.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, well, I mean, that's why they'll be tied
around my waist the whole time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I usually just throw them in the back and I figure
I'll grab them after oh, youdon't wear them the whole time
you're flying.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
No, no, I just grab them afterwards.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Or I like to be ready .

Speaker 1 (49:51):
On the way down, I'd probably, you know, maybe stuff
it under my shirt or something.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
That's basically Check it Scott are you feeling
this synthetic alcohol?
Yet the ketones?
Maybe a little bit, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Ketanol.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
How many have you had ?
Just one, okay.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
But it's 33.
It's two ounces of 33% alcohol.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Get another one going , see if it actually gets you
ready.
This was my last one, oh no,that's last one.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Oh no, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
God, you got to go grab a beer or something then Go
grab a beer.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Dude, I'm on my.
I don't have any beer.
I'm on my third beer, righthere we got 40 minutes to go
before your bedtime, scott.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, yeah, we're ahead of schedule.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, I mean phenomenal.
I'm liking this.
That's good we got.
There's other stuff that Iwanted to cover too, so okay, go
for it.
Have we sufficiently?
I've got.
I've got a magazine to like thehighlights in it.
I got a magazine highlights init.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
But if you got other stuff, we can save this till
next time.
This is not often we have this,so we could save this if.
If we don't get to it, I'm okaywith it.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Well, I guess the first thing that I wanted to
talk about is you guys know thatthe NOTAMs are once again
notices to airmen.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I heard this.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Instead of notices to air missions.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yes, so I'll take a drink to that.
We told Ikea to shove it,didn't we?
That's how I heard the story.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
No, I think we told the commies to shove it.
I think is what we did.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
It was ICAO.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
It was the one that was doing that air mission stuff
, was it?

Speaker 3 (51:38):
No it was the FAA, oh yeah, or else we wouldn't
change it back.
I mean, I guess I don't knowhow it would be a one-way street
.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Do you know the backstory of it?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Like why it went back ?
Because it always was, and theonly reason it went to air
missions is from an inclusivitystandpoint.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh, because they didn't air men.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Men, yes.
Exclusivity standpoint oh,because they didn't like air men
.
Men, yes, now in under theguise.
You know, the missions makesense, because what?
if it's an unmanned aircraft,which obviously is an unmanned.
So it's like you're.
I mean, you gotta just seethrough it just a little bit and
be like it's unmanned, it's noton whatever, so it's, it's just
all crap.
You know, I'm just like whychange things?
Just to change things?

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But it's back.
The way it should be shouldnever been changed to begin with
, and I think all is right inthe world, yeah, oh oh, I can't.
I, I love it.
You go into some of theseairports where it's a digital
ATIS and it's actually typed outnotices to airmen.
It's just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
That wasn't a uh.
That wasn't what I initiallythought you were going to say.
There was something else we didthat.
We did a topic I think Scottwas absent for this, or or I'm
sure he would have corrected us.
It might've been just you and I, lee, where we did a whole

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episode, not realizing that theFAA had canceled what we were
talking about like two yearsprior.
It was really bad.
We got a bunch of hate.
That was probably out of allthe episodes we ever did.
That was the most angry mail weever got.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I know what you're talking about.
It was something to do withnotums.
I wanted to say like I agreewith you yeah, something to do
with notums I thought like localversus distant notums or fdc
notums I thought you were sayingthey brought that back.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I got all excited because I'm like I don't know we
don't look like retards, butwell, no, I mean, we are retards
.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah, so it works out okay good, uh, you don't seem
as excited about it as I thinkyou should be, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I just I don't know how much conversation we can get
out of it, how much podcasttime.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
You could get a little more excitement out of it
.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I think I was I was pumped okay I was I need a drink
, another drink, scott needsanother drink.
I'm nervous to leave, okayuntil leave me alone until the
topic gets on more safeterritory oh what is the topic
so that's why scott's yeah, yougotta be feeling it, dude.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I'm feeling it a little bit yeah okay cool, cool,
cool.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
It gives you a buzz it's just it doesn't get you
drunk.
It's like it's hard to explain,but it doesn't give you a
hangover either.
No, it doesn't, is it worth it.
I would try it.
I want to try it sometime.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, I want to try it.
Just judging by the feedbackI'm getting right now, you seem
just just it took the edge offyour chill.
It's like you just got out ofthe hot tub, you know yeah, yeah
, you know, yeah, it's like hottub it does, you know.
You know what I'm talking aboutthat feeling when you get out
of the hot tub you're just likeyou're just loosened up,
especially after you've had acouple beers.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I just I never go in a hot tub unless I'm drinking,
so I always just assumed it wasthe drinking I don't know if
I've been in a hot tub sober ina long time.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Okay, sorry, I took that I didn't mean to make it
weird.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
No, actually I have been.
But yeah, it's just, sometimesit gives you like, it makes you
like you're not quite thinkingstraight when you go to talk.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I know that feeling, so this is hard ketones is the
brand.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, it's R13 butane dial is the alcohol, but it
doesn't yeah, r13 butane dial.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
But there's supposedly no hangover, right?
No?
And you can verify that?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, there's no hangover.
You can drink as much as youwant and pass a breathalyzer,
which is kind of scary becauseyou shouldn't be driving still
when you drink that.
Probably not depending on howit affects you.
Like I said, I've had sometimes where I take it and I
didn't really notice anything,and then other times it's like
oh, this is, this is good, youknow okay yeah, the first time I

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took it the first time I tookit I was on my second one.
I drank one before we went tothe restaurant and then I poured
one in my.
I just ordered a well, I justgot a water and I poured it in
my water at the restaurant and Iwas like part like a quarter
way through my water when thewaitress came over to take my
order and it was like I don'teven know if I can talk right

(56:37):
now because it was like adifferent kind of buzz than
alcohol.
It was like interesting, it waslike are my words gonna come out
right?
Because, like I don't know,just felt, felt funny, you know.
Huh, it was almost like a, itwas almost like a thc buzz, it's
almost like.
That time you did crack, yeah.
Yeah, it wasn't quite asintense as the crack, but like I

(57:01):
I've never smoked weed, butthey have weed beers now and I
tried one of those and it's kindof like that, but different.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Rob, you got to go get a drink.
I don't care for the.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
THC beers, though I don't.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I've had them twice.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Captain Morgan and Coca-Cola.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Okay, go ahead.
All right, We'll keep it PG.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I don't care about that, I just keep it.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Non-political.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I guess we're on Rumble.
It doesn't matter, but yeah,just for the sake of the
audience.
So what do you?
How about all that?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
He's going to be running back.
Yeah, he's going to be runningback.
Yeah, he's gonna be runningback I'm excited.
I need to try that, but youhave to order it online yeah, I
think so I don't know that youcan get it anywhere.
I think the only place I saw itwas online man, I've tried so
many things like hop water andall those things, and just
nothing tricks your brain no, itdoesn't work, but I would swear

(58:06):
one percent alcohol.
My body can tell the difference.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, like you.
Just you gotta have some amountof alcohol for it to just truly
take the edge off.
That's all I'm really everlooking for yeah I just like
taste a beer, and so right, youjust go, go go.
You know, these are thesemiller extra lights.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
They're only 2.8 oh yeah, you can slam a lot of
those phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Yeah, you get tired of drinking before you're like
really buzzed I might have totry those.
It's amazing get a 30 rack ofthese bad boys.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I'm fine in the winter time, but in the
summertime, like if I'm sittingoutside, I I need a beer in my
hand, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So wintertime I don't really care.
I haven't been drinking muchanyway, Like just I don't know
I'm too busy to drink, so I justdon't really get to when you
get home and it's like time forbed for you, right, right, yeah,
that minimizes.
Lately.

(59:07):
I buy a six of talls onSaturday after I get done
working and I start drinkingthose.
And then, uh, we usually go tothe winery right down the road
by one bottle of wine.
She drinks one glass, I drinkthe rest of it, and that's,
that's, that's a greatarrangement.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
That's my buzz for the week.
Yeah, okay, all right, what yougot, rob.
We havethest leader is back.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
We have a magazine.
Don't tell him about all theAOPA Pilot Magazine.
Okay, all right, I'm a bitbehind.
This is November 2023.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Oh, just a touch.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I got a stack.
I'm about a year behind, butanyway, there's a couple points
in here I thought would be great.
The one main point is it's kindof a depressing story, but I
think it's good.
It's kind of a public serviceannouncement.
And then he makes a commenttowards the end which we'll get

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into, uh, which I'm curious.
If it would, it might frustratelee.
Um, anyway, let me let me getinto it.
This is savvy maintenanceopinion in rudder and wrench.
Okay, uh, deadly switches.
That ubiquitous key operatedignition switch is fraught with

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peril by Mike Bush.
Okay, um, um, again, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Okay, you highlighted some of this right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going the whole article.
All right, great Cool.
I think you could with fair use, but there's some main points I
want to hit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Let's do it, man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
We'll stay well within our fair use here
legality.
On July 26, 2018, a privatepilot from Sarasota, florida,
and his wife flew to theCleveland Regional Jetport RZR
in Tennessee to run some errands, after which they returned to
the airport to depart Shortlybefore 5 pm.

(01:01:07):
The pilot was pre-flighting theCessna 182 Skylane while his
wife had opened the right cabindoor and was preparing to climb
into the right seat, she heard anoise that sounded like the
airplane's engine was trying tostart.
She found the pilot lying onthe ramp in front of the
airplane.
He had sustained severe headinjuries and was non-responsive.

(01:01:30):
Skylane's ignition key was inhis pocket.
The pilot's wife called forhelp, which quickly arrived.
He was transported to thehospital by medevac helicopter
but succumbed to his pocket.
The pilot's wife called forhelp, which quickly arrived.
He was transported to thehospital by medevac helicopter
but succumbed to his injuries.
Oh geez, not good.
Ndsb findings.
Accident investigators foundthat the right magneto of the

(01:01:51):
airplane's Continental 0-470engine was hot.
The mag's P was broke, was notgrounded out by the cockpit
ignition switch.
They found that the switch wasnot in the off position but
rather in an intermediateposition between the off and
right detents.
In that position, the switchdid not ground out the right mag

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, the airplane's gerard ignitionswitch, ger des, what is that
called, lee?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I thought you'd know this, all right, I don't know
okay, was designed to preventthe key from being removed from
the lock cylinder in anyposition except off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
However, when investigators tested the switch
using the key found in thepilot's pocket, they found that
it could be removed in anyswitch position.
Further research revealed thatboth the key and the lock
cylinder chamber had worn to thepoint that the integrity of the
key retention feature had beencompromised.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yep, you heard of this.
I haven't heard of that, but Imean, I've heard and certainly
experienced, uh, a plethora ofworn out.
You know ignition, you know carignition style, mag switches,
yes our forklift used to startup.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
just it'd just be sitting there in a shop.
It would start up At theairport, at Boris Cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Oh, I thought you were talking about the Ryan
Eccle incident.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
No that one would randomly go into gear.
Okay, it didn't randomly startup.
But if you'd put it in neutraland get off of it, it would just
randomly jump back into gear.
But this one I was talkingabout it's an old forklift,
something like the 50s, but itwould just randomly just start.
Just be in the shop, nobody beanywhere near it, it would just

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start.
And the one time it was in gearand just started and drove into
the garage door, huh, okay,start.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
and the one time it was in gear and just started and
drove into the garage door, huh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
So you had to had to make sure to put it neutral
because it might just start upon you.
I hope might be doing a masterswitch or something for the.
Yeah, for whatever reason, the,the ignition switches, would
always go bad on it.
You'd switch them out, put, puta different one on and it would
be fine for months, and thenall of a sudden it would start
doing it again.
So I don't know if there wassomething that was causing it to
melt the ignition switch orsomething inside.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
So anyway, this freaked me out, as most of the
things I read, I feel like Idon't read that much aviation
stuff or watch that muchaviation content, so I'm focused
on other stuff right now, butit seems like every time I do I
tune in.
It's some horrific thing thatmakes me right freaked out yeah,
which is kind of depressing.
It is um, but yeah, don't becareful with the ignition

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switches.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Some tips.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Some tips, Big tips Well let me say some tips.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I don't know this article where it's going to go.
Okay, two things I would say.
You park your plane, set theparking brake, that's one.
Two always treat the prop likethe mags are on.
The parking brake stops it fromrunning over you, but treat it
like the mags are hot all thetime.
I'm not saying this guy didn'tdo that, but I've tried to hand

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prop of 0470 like on purpose.
The battery was dead, I had tohand prop it.
It's about all you can do.
You're turning over six.
So this isn't a little likehoming with seven to one
compression ratio.
This is is a six cylinder,eight and a half to one
compression ratio with a big,big enough prop.

(01:05:43):
You see, you can get someleverage on it, but it's about
all you can do to turn this propover.
This was a well, I mean, I knowonly what you've just told me,
but I know hand propping those,I know that engine, I know that
airplane and I kind of probablyhave a pretty good idea of what
mostly went on.

(01:06:03):
But you got to treat like it'shot all the time and there's a
confluence of issues for him toget it to start.
I mean, how many people havetrouble starting an engine with
a freaking battery and justcranking the starter.
They're pumping the accelerator, pump the throttle, the prime
unit, they're doing all thesethings and they can't get it

(01:06:24):
started anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I don't think it started on them.
I don't think it started.
Well, just kicked over yeahwhacked them in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
That's hard enough for people too.
That's not the same as starting, I guess I agree with you.
But just for it to just puffover, that's hard enough for
enough people yeah, especiallyon an engine like that, that's
yeah.
I mean, it's not fuel injected,so it's not that hard.
But for all of these things toline up that there was enough
fuel for it to kick over, likewhat's going on with that

(01:06:56):
carburetor, if there's any fuelin there to begin with for it to
kick over Like what's going onwith that carburetor, if there's
any fuel in there to begin withfor it to even kick over at all
, because, right, you cut it,it's exhausting the fuel.
There shouldn't be fuel for itto really kick over with anyways
.
So there's just several thingsgoing on here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Well, I think the starter, engage, is just what it
sounds like, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
No, I don't think so.
No, that's all the way over.
He was doing the pre-flight andhe probably turned the prop, or
to remove cowl plugs or look inthe engine more or something
and it fired somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
The right mag was hot .
That's it, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I guess it would be the right mags are
backwards.
Yeah, so the right mag was hot,but you treat it like it's hot.
The parking brake's on and thatparking brake may have been on,
but that's just.
Those are two obvious thingsthat you need to make sure.
It's a pain in the asssometimes, like we all know as
line service, it's a pain in theass when somebody set their
parking brake and you're tryingto move the airplane.

(01:07:52):
We and you're trying to movethe airplane.
We had little real estate towork with from a line service
standpoint, but we're constantlymoving airplanes on the ramp on
a busy day and it pissed youoff when people set their
parking brake.
Well, it is a good practice todo that in case it does kick
over and it does start.
Maybe you do treat it like it'shot and you're out of the
rotation of the prop, but if itstarts moving forward, mow it

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over.
Yeah, treat it like it's hotparking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
brake on so part of the tips.
First one I noticed it's moreof a comment with a photo.
It's got a bunch of keys on itand I remember when I was in
high school with the 150 I hadmy airplane key on like my main
key chain, like I had that, likeother keys I had, like the 1990

(01:08:43):
corsica chevy corsica I hadthat key this big old key thing
that's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Don't do that right, where's the more it's gonna put
weight on it more.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Wear on it, because a lot of people out there have
this goofy little key chainthing.
I just never take my key out ofthe ignition.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Well, yeah, but a lot of times.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
You have it inside your hangar, though A lot of
people don't have their ownprivate hangar.
Even when I used to fly over toKelly's leave it in there.
Somebody wants to take it for aspin, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Insurance is paid.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, when I flew your plane to kelly's I would
take the key out.
Uh, this is what he said.
I was gonna read this.
There's, it's some good advicein here.
And then, towards the end, I'mcurious to see lee's reaction.
The best way to protectyourself and your airplane from
falling victim to this problemis to always assume that the

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magnetos are hot, regardless ofthe position of the ignition
switch or the location of theignition key.
So that's basically identicalto what you were saying, lee
never rotate the prop by handunless you absolutely have to.
If you're in the habit ofrotating the prop to a certain
position after you park yourairplane example, horizontal for

(01:10:00):
two blade props or blade downfor three blade props try to get
out of the habit.
See I that my ocd wouldn'tallow me to do that?
I've.
It's a two-bladed prop that'sgot to be kept.
Even I don't know Huh, but Iguess I don't like them even.

(01:10:21):
No.
No, I always leave it where itstops.
What if you got a tow bar onyou?

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
just chop that tow bar off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
I just move it a little bit Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
No, nobody, unless they're an idiot chops up a tow
bar.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Well, I didn't chop up a tow bar because my tow bar
was steel so it chopped up thepropeller.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It was perfectly intact.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
The tow bar was fine, absolutely fine.
It didn't even hardly put ascratch in it.
It knocked some of the paintoff.
That was it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I mean it shouldn't stop.
I mean, actually, if they'reindexed, they're manufacturers
in whatever.
They have them indexeddifferently, so their stopping
point is different, so some ofthem can be right in the way.
But I mean normally I mean youlike to see them kind of like on
, if you're looking whateverfrom the plane of rotation.
You want like a 10 o'clock anda don't know five o'clock.

(01:11:16):
I don't know my directions,what are those 10?
And what's the opposite of 10o'clock in a clock?
Look where the blades are.
So you want like a 10 and a.
What's the other?

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
one, I guess four, 10 and four, 10 and four, I think
10 and four.
Yeah, 10 and two is what theytell you to put your hands on
the steering wheel, yeah right.
Well, I'm trying to powerthrough the 10 and 2 US here, 10
and 4.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, yeah, 10 and 4.
10 and 4 is kind of like whereyou want to see it stop.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
I'm trying to picture a clock in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
That's hard.
It's hard to do.
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Okay, if you must rotate the prop by hand Example
for tow bar access, scott yeah,then always rotate it in the
opposite direction of normalrotation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Oh, but which way is normal rotation it's so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I realize you may have been taught that rotating
the prop backwards can harm dryvacuum pumps, but I've been
doing it for five decades.
I can tell you it's one ofthose old wives tales that
refuses to die hmm, interestingmakes sense to me.
I've, just I've.
No, I always thought that wasbad.
But mike bush is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
He runs savvy aviation he's got what he's
talking about yeah, he's not aclueless person of the things I
am worried about.
He's published in AOPA.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Pilot.
The three of us would not bepublished in here under any
circumstances.
I don't think no Negative.
So he automatically knows morethan we do, Maybe Lee could get
published in there, but MaybeMake some phone calls.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yeah, right, right, we know people.
Okay, is that the last tip?

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
yeah, that was the last.
It was the prop in the wrongdirection opposite direction.
I had never heard that that wasokay.
I was always told never, ever,ever turn a prop in the opposite
direction of it, the way itnormally rotates, and uh fairly,
me as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Fairly credible source is saying it's fine yeah,
I've always.
I was always told that too.
I don't know why.
I think if you just the basethings, parking brake set, treat
it like it's hot, I think thosetwo things still stop the
serious injury from happening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Oh yeah I always acted like it was gonna
spontaneously just start exactlyrotating yeah, yeah, I just if
I spin it, I just don't stand ina way that it could hit me.
I always worried about yourdumb ass dog, scott, at the
airport with props.
That, honestly, has always mademe very concerned wait, well

(01:13:55):
lewis yes, lewis.
Okay, I was gonna say I don'tthink we got lewis, when you,
honestly, has always made mevery concerned.
Wait.
Well, lewis, yes Lewis, I wasgoing to say I don't think we
got Lewis when you were stillflying, though.
No, but I mean I've been upthere a lot since you've gotten.
Lewis, Well, yeah yeah, and hemakes me very nervous.
Yeah yeah, he don't go out theretoo much.
I mean, if he goes out by therunway like we're with him, all

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right we.
If he goes out by the runwaylike we're with him, so all
right, anyway.
Side note, but yeah, theopposite rotation I guess is
perfectly fine, if notpreferable yeah I I would have
to do more.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
I can't weigh in on that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I don't really care we don't want to treat like it's
hot, it's not a problem yeah,they.
Yeah, who was?
Let me read.
Let me give we.
Tyler said the flight schooltook off with a freaking chain
and tire attached to the rear.
Tie down, that's worse thanleaving the tow bar on.
Yeah, that's worse than I'llgive you that.

(01:14:50):
Let me.
Where is this article?
I lost it already.
I was going to give we gotfairy.
Oh yeah, okay, ask the amps.
Mike bush, paul new and colinsterling answer your toughest
aviation maintenance questionson ask the amps podcast all

(01:15:12):
right so it's an it's yeah, gocheck it out.
They probably publish more oftenthan we publish and probably
have a higher consistent hitrate of intelligent things to
say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
No doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Higher batting average.
Yeah, there you have it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
We say some smart things sometimes.
Yeah, we do Leave an accident.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm just saying their batting average might be a
little higher in that department.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
It's a touch yeah.
Yeah, I mean.
I say I mean we give some soundadvice.
I would say I think people knowwhen we're being satirical.
And such Good advice, no jokes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Like you know, pull the car be nice slow.
Yes, packing milk jugs.
Dude, don't buy airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yeah, don't buy airplanes unless you're going to
quickly subsequently chop themup into pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
No one buys more airplanes than Scott Boris?
I don't know, I bought a lot ofairplanes in my.
I don't even know anymore howmany, but it's up there start
calling you the undertaker yeah,boriscyclecom, you'd see all
the airplanes for us well,anyways, we do give some good

(01:16:32):
advice.
I mean borisairpartscom.
Nevermind, I misspoke, you'recorrect, borisairpartscom.
I misspoke, you're correct,borisairpartscom.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Oh, yeah, I mean.
So what's next on the docket?
Scott, you said you thought youhad something that you wanted
to yeah what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
We covered everything , lee and I wanted to touch on.
You had that long list, yousaid, of I want to talk about
all these crashes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
That's on my list.
Really, I was going to avoidthat because I why said of I
want to talk about all thesecrashes.
That's on my list?

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
yeah, really I was gonna avoid that because I why?
I don't like talking about ittill the we know information,
but if you're, if you're wantingto, well, I mean, it's just,
it's more of the sentiment ofthe chat, you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You know just kind of the state of the state of
things, I suppose he says 888 notam.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Exotic bird activity on runway I just I just called
and put a note amount.
I closed the runway becauseit's a freaking swamp out there.
Did you?
You, you personally, scottboris just put in a no tam.
I do it all the time and it'sit's a pain.
How, how does that work?
It's not a pain to just closethe runway.
It's a pain to tell them thatit's soft because some, some

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people on the other end of theline know exactly what you're
talking about.
They're like, okay, and theyput a soft note on it.
Other people, just they can'tfigure it out.
They'll say well, what do youmean?
It's soft, it's a grass strip,so it's soft.
Oh, we can't, we can't put anotam on a grass strip.
Yes, you can, they do it allthe time.
Nope, nope, we can't do that.
It's like well, every othertime I call, I can put a notam

(01:18:10):
on the grass strip.
Uh, it's not in our system, Ican't do that.
Okay, I'll call a little bitlater, get somebody else and
they'll do it.
Or, like some people, it justtakes them.
Like some people pick up thephone hey, runway, soft, put an
Odem on.
I'm off the phone within like aminute and a half.
Other people 10 minutes later.

(01:18:31):
They're like going throughstuff, trying to figure stuff
out.
It like I don't know, it's notthat much of a pain, but it is
like certain people, they don't.
They don't know what, theydon't know how to put a note on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
I don't know I'm sorry you had to deal with that
scott closing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
It's easy, just tell them it's closed.
They can all figure that out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Runway close if you could say the runway is closed.
It should be just so you sayrunway is soft like right, so
there's a free text area.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I guess they can't handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Wow, like say, say, your dad was in florida for the
winter so he wasn't payingattention for a few months of
anything going on the airport.
Could you just put some weirdshit, like like a ws, no tam,
like, but really really someweird stuff?

(01:19:30):
Oh yeah, I could.
I could put whatever I want onthere.
I guess.
I feel like there needs to be atleast one, and then it needs to
be like screenshotted of justsomething silly.
It's got to be true.
You don't want to be likecalling in and just falsifying
stuff, because that would beillegal.
But I guess, when the starsalign, where there's something

(01:19:53):
going on where it could just bedescribed oddly, I just think
it'd be funny to play with thata little bit.
There's a line where there'ssomething going on where it
could just be described oddly.
I just think it'd be funny toplay with that a little bit,
just for people reading it inthe local area up there would
just be like what is going on atScott's Airport.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Yeah, I mean I'd have to think of something we could
do, yeah not many people havethe ability to just put a
government notam out forsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I'm authorized to do that, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Man, I feel pretty important.
I don't know how you can standthe power.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
It's a lot of power.
It sounds like it is.
It's a lot of responsibilityPlaying God over there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
It is absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Lately I've been writing down all the names of
the people that that don't uhknow how to do a notum and then
I I submit it to doge.
You gotta, you gotta.
Yeah, you gotta tweet elon, Iwas just gonna say, I tweet elon
directly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
He usually responds let me know I'll post it on uh
foreign at foreign podcasthandle they go.
Oh yeah we we can't put a softnote on a grass strip.
I say, well, what was your nameagain?
And then I just go right to xelon exactly found one.
I'll share it on the on thehappy hunting hey, el found one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Oh God, it's just fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Okay, it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, please save us Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Save us.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
We're spiraling.
Yeah, Lee and I are about toget you out here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
No, yeah, but I'm serious though.
Like, tell me what's going on,Scott.
I can sometimes, if I'm in agood, Tell me what's going on,
Scott.
Sometimes, if I'm in a goodmood, I can be somewhat creative
and I might be able to come upwith something funny.
I just feel like that'd begreat.
But it's truthful, accurate,not falsifying information, but
just a funny way to word stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
I feel like we would have to put something out there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
What would make the most sense is probably go to
like a um, an fa document thatlists all the different codes,
and that would probably give yousome food for thought.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, like the most outrageousone you could put, that would be
like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
The only thing I can think of is like drunk people on
golf carts near near runway.
Use caution.
That's never lying in thesummertime, right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
you use caution, you can just leave that up.
People on golf you can justleave that up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yeah, impaired impaired individuals june
through november drunken generaldrunkenness in the vicinity of
runway but see, then you'regoing to turn into a tourist
destination.
That's true.
It's just going to turn intomore of a shit show.
You're going to have more rutsin the runway if that happens.

(01:22:49):
Tyler says trash pile on firenext to runway.
Yeah, that'd be good, that'strue, it does happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Oh yeah, I'm sure you could do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Okay, so we had something else going before I
rudely interrupted.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Well, Scott never brought up the, or was that it?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
I was supposed to talk about.
Yeah, there was something youwanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Was that it?
I just did I what I wassupposed to talk about yeah,
there was something you wantedto talk about?
Was that it?
I just did?
Oh, that was it, okay.
You want to talk about NOTAMs?
You giving the NOTAMs, notams,okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Yeah, notices to airmen.
I mean, I just want to say thewhole thing Notices to airmen so
.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Lee you wanted to talk about crashing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Yeah, to talk about crashing.
Yeah, I mean it's, it's uh thethe.
The first crash was at my, thefirst of the most recent ones,
you know, back in the latejanuary, there, that one in dca.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Um, that kind of hit in a weird way, blackhawk the
blackhawk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Yeah, hitting that crj, the canada air regional jet
.
That hit kind of close to home,um.
As soon as I saw the flightnumber I knew that was a psa
airlines, which was my before mycurrent airline.
That was my most recent airlinethat I worked for and I was

(01:24:10):
based in dca and um, so I'd donethat exact approach they were
doing I've and um.
So I'd done that exact approachthey were doing I've.
I have not been able to findout that n number of that
airplane, but I'm sure that I'veflown that exact airplane and
it's just.
You know, I didn't know any ofthe crew members or anything
like that, but I knew ever I.
I just I was so in tune withwhat, with what happened.

(01:24:31):
And you know, there's so manyof those blackhawks going up and
down the river all day long andnormally it's three or four at
a time.
I mean, the fact that it wasone was just, and how it could
happen.
I could see it happening soeasily.
It was only a matter of time.
It's obviously superunfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
But are they just too high?
The Blackhawk.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You know, I don't know, because that airliner, if
the Blackhawk was at onealtitude and they just stayed on
that plane the entire time, itmay have, if they would have
been low they wouldn't have hit,I mean.
Or if they would have been alittle bit high, oh, if they
were higher, they were high, butthey were just high enough.

(01:25:12):
If they would have been higherit would have been better.
If they were lower, they wouldprobably just in it, potentially
just in a different spot.
I it's just, it's so hard toagain, it's just a perfect storm
.
I mean, it just blows my mind.
Who's calling out what trafficin sight and where they were and
were they lined up for one?

(01:25:32):
But then it got a lateclearance to land three, three,
which is they were landing 3-3,.
But there are multiple points.
If you look at their track,like on FlightAware, there are
two points on the approaches.
If you're on final for one andyou're turning final for 3-3,
that to that Blackhawk, it wouldbe the same basic look.

(01:25:54):
Obviously distance would changethings, but their perspective
wouldn't be very, very similarto how that landing light was
pointed and things like that.
So it was just a perfect storm.
I looked at the historicalaltimeter settings on that day.
If, for some odd reason, one ofthem would have been on

(01:26:16):
standard 2992, if they wouldhave used that and one of them
was on, because that would putthem lower, you know.
So that doesn't necessarilymake sense, but I did kind of
determine I think it was like106 or 116 feet, something like
that they could have been off ifone of them would have been
standard.

(01:26:36):
That would have made them high,though, or low, not high.
So I don't quite understand how.
If it was an altimeter thingI'm not saying it was I was
trying to think of like supereasy things, that like why were
they high?
Why, you know, you would thinkthey would have enough
information that they wouldn'tjust be randomly whatever 200

(01:26:59):
feet high or whatever.
But I was grasping for straws,but I mean just the perfect
storm and I don't know what allhas come out.
I know more will, but I meanit's just always an accident
waiting to happen At nighttimeyou guys know, how it is at
night.
Your depth perception iscompletely screwed especially at
that altitude.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
I mean I hate flying into busy airports, I wouldn't
want to do it ever, but I feellike AI air traffic control is
coming at some point and thatwould probably have prevented
that, because it would have seenthat they were on a collision
trajectory.
I mean definitely would haveseen that they were on a

(01:27:41):
collision trajectory.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
I mean, definitely would have seen it.
Yeah, I guess, I don't know howexactly scott I don't know.
I don't know that that'snecessarily true because that
crj was hand flying right, butthey could have been.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
They could have been 50 feet low well, I know,
because there's no real definedglide path where I'm just saying
if, if you had an artificialintelligence monitoring all of
the data coming into atc, itwould have definitely picked up
on.
Okay, this is, these are too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I almost have to disagree.
There's a certain point, yeah,obviously, and it would have
just separated them laterallythen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Yeah, I mean it just.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Well, yeah, but take that to the whole country and
say now we're going to onlyworry about separating things
laterally, not vertically, justlaterally, it could do both.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
It doesn't have to be laterally, vertically, just
laterally, could do both.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Well, it, but it did I don't think it could in this
case, because there were twohuman variables and that crj,
right, but it was not followinga perfect three degree it's
going to know their exactlocation altitude yeah, when
they hit, that's going to knowit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Before that they're on radar.
How is it adsb out?

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
supposed to right stop, it's going to have all the
.
It's going to know it beforethat they're on radar.
How Isn't ADS-B out supposed tostop?
This it's going to have all thedata from the ADS-B, from radar
.
It's going to have all thatdata coming into it and it can
update instantly, continuously,unlike a human air traffic
controller.
It would have seen that from it, would have seen that

(01:29:15):
trajectory, it would have seenthat collision coming long
before it ever happened.
Scott wants AI to do everything, everything, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
I think that it would have further out.
You're wrong.
The further you got out fromthat impact point, the less that
AI could understand.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I disagree.
No, because the vectors areconstantly changing.
If you have humans flying eachaircraft, Dude, he's hand-flying
the airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
I realize that, but they could have been perfect
until the last minute, I meanthere are some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah, the last second there are some stuff that the
air traffic controllers can seealready on their screen.
That would look good, look good, look good.
And at the last second, likesomething shifts a little bit,
and it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
That's possible.
I don't know if that's whathappened, but it's possible.
The equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
The shit that they're using is so outdated.
Oh yeah, it's a bunch of crap.
There's a documentary I've beenmeaning to watch.
I reposted a section if you goto the X feed, the At Far Aim
podcast that the Blaze did.
The thing looks interesting andit was November, I think, of
last year about how they'restill using floppy disks.

(01:30:32):
Atc in the United States isstill using floppy disks.
Yeah, it's a bunch of crap.
I just saw the preview for thedocumentary.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
I haven't actually watched the documentary, yet I
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
It's a bunch of crap.
That's one of the other thingsthat I guess Elon or SpaceX or
whatever is supposed to behelping the FAA to modernize air
traffic control.
Nice comment, Lee, in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
I have not seen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
The Matrix, oh you should, I never watched it.
That or Star Wars.
I've never seen the Matrix orStar Wars, oh, dear Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Oh, that's a crime against humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
The thing that's like Star Wars, but not I haven't
seen that either Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yeah, I haven't seen that either.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
I've never seen star trek.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I have seen star wars , though hey, the the, the lady
who was um directing the mostrecent trilogy of star wars.
They made it like all, likefemale, like a lead and all that
stuff made it all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah dei, yeah um.
She just resigned, I guessyesterday or something like yeah
, so maybe we can get thatfranchise back you what.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I saw that on a show I watch.
I don't oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
I literally don't care, though oh okay, Well, I do
.
Huge Star Wars fan.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
I'm not going to watch it either way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Oh, that's, oh, geez that's.
Oh, you're killing me.
Back to the ai.
I don't scott you're.
You're mostly correct, andobviously it's computing power
and what it can figure out.
I think the human element isgoing to really make that
difficult up until the point ofimpact the further away he's the
individual's hand flyingpredict things like long before

(01:32:11):
humans can like the like the theai.
This is not one of those things.
This is not one of those exactthings you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
I think computerization of that could
have helped, that's verypossible, I just don't think
that it's just an end all,unless yeah, the computers are
just handling everything.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
And there's eventually, the glitch in the
computers, yeah, which I thinkyou're gonna have computer
glitches, then at that point too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Whether it's nice or more than human error probably
less, I don't know, it'lldefinitely be less.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
The CRJ has what's called TCAS Traffic Collision
Avoidance System.
Where was that at?
That should have been real-timetelling it.
The two transponders on thosetwo aircraft were talking.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Giving potentially a RA, a resolution advisory,
telling that CRJ to climb.
If I don't know what equipmentis on, the Blackhawk doesn't
really matter.
It likely at that altitude isnot going to tell somebody and a
lot of these things areinhibited.
If the only thing that it cantell you to avoid a collision is
to descend into the ground,it's not going to tell you

(01:33:16):
anything.
Normally it's inhibited belowyou know certain altitudes and
whatever.
I think the crj it would havegiven them a resolution advisory
to climb and I don't know whythat didn't happen or why they
didn't listen.
I, I don't know.
Maybe we did a malfunction, wasthe safest thing for the CRJ to
descend and so it was inhibited.

(01:33:37):
I don't know.
But flying that exact approachthere are so many variables.
Ai, it would just be yeah, it'sgoing to refresh constantly,
refresh and come up with a newsolution constantly, and I do
get that.
And maybe a second is all youwould have needed to save
everybody's life and AI couldhave helped there.

(01:34:01):
No, ai would have helped,obviously, if it could save them
by a second.
Maybe it would have made it anon-event or you know what I
mean saved everybody's life.
But I think the biggest, thebest easy solution that we could
do now is separate everybodylaterally.
I was making that a point likethat's all AI is going to do,
but that is something we couldalmost institute now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Separation laterally, and that's real easy.
Vertically is where thechallenge becomes, for Remember,
they're in, they're in tower.
You know the terminalenvironment.
It's a tower, looking at the,looking at the one with
binoculars for separationpurposes.
Now obviously they relinquishsome of their job when they say,

(01:34:45):
hey, do you have that trafficin sight?
And they're like, okay, we'regood, you got them in sight.
You call them in sight, we'regood.
How closely they are watchingthe situation unfold obviously
is going to take a major diveonce an aircraft says the other
one's in sight.
So I mean, you're fightingthose things and I think they're

(01:35:05):
going to remedy, you knowwhatever they find on the tapes
and whatnot, and I think AI willobviously help, but there's
just the human element is gonnabe tough I'm curious what you
mentioned how like, oh, theblackhawk would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
What technology to have on board?
Yeah I get mixed opinions fromdifferent military people.
I know where some of the somepeople I talked to.
They're like, oh yeah, super,like it's crazy stuff, top
secret, like the best of thebest.
And then I talked to some otherpeople who were in the military
like, oh no, it's like thecrappiest, like they don't put
any money into it, like it'sgarbage and I'm sure it depends

(01:35:46):
on probably depends on whatyou're in and you know of why I
different people have differentstuff, opinions and and, but it
just seems like it's either thecrappiest, oldest stuff or like
super sophisticated top secret.
They can't even talk about itlike I just feel like there's
very little in between from whenI the rare occasions that it

(01:36:07):
comes up about, like what themilitary stuff has in it yeah so
yeah, I would say somaybe it was a an instance of
there's hardly any goodtechnology on board.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
We'll have to wait and see, Iguess, what the ultimate
findings are.
I mean, just the perfect storm,though once again, I mean you
can't make this shit up.
I mean they called them inside.
They were going in line withone runway, they thought, but
they maybe got a circle to theother runway late and as they

(01:36:43):
made that turn, it looked likethey were on final for the other
runway that they previouslycalled them out for.
It's just nuts.
And at night, I heard, maybethey're on night vision goggles
and obviously that's going todistort your hell.
I mean, my depth perception isthrown off when I have
sunglasses on.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
yeah, like, if I'm going to do my best of my best
landings, I put my sunglasses upit's like can't you go to a
different area to do nightvision goggle training than
right around where airliners arepotentially well coming across
your flight path?

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
well, that just makes perfect sense.
I mean, do we need AI to tellus that that's a bad idea?
You know what I mean?
It's just let's use ourfreaking head.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Zero, eventually, ai is just going to tell us what to
do all the time.
It's going to tell you what todo, Scott Lee and I are going to
listen.
That's fine, that's right,you're going to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
You're going to do what it says.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
They're going.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
That's fine, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
I'm fine with that.
I gotta go to bed, oh okay 908,I figured, so leave your
browser up.
I got fiber so it's alreadyuploaded you gotta leave your
browser up later goodnight Scottlater.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Wow, ai just told him to go to bed.
Tim his iPhone's.
Like you are up way too late.
What's going on later?
Wow, there was, there was a.
I just told him to go to bed.
Yeah, I told him it was time toget his iphone's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Like you are up way too late.
What's going on?
His aura ring started going off?

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
oh for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I see, I see where aiobviously is going to simplify
things, make things a lot safer.
I mean, I think a lot of timeswe're going to end up now, even
if it does separate laterally, Ido think it is still going to
do a great job of maximizing the, even with just lateral

(01:38:25):
separation.
In that case, if they wouldhave just separated them
laterally, it doesn't matter ifthe Blackhawks high, doesn't
matter if the CRJ is high or lowor any of that stuff they
weren't going to hit.
They weren't not.
They were not on a trajectory.
They were going to hit.
And obviously you know 2020hindsight, you know that that
maybe would have been good,especially in that type of

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congested visual flight rules orvisual conditions.
I think that would have beenthe safest course of action.
But total Monday morningquarterback on that.
But I just I know exactly thatapproach, those conditions, that
airplane, that flight profile,that everything.

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I mean I was based there for ayear and doing that and I love
doing that approach because theautopilot's off.
You can't fly that approach withthe autopilot on.
So I mean you're just doing,you know, stick and rudder and
it's just, it's a blast becauseyou're doing this turn to final,
like 300 feet, and when do youget to do that in an airliner
you like?
In their case they got 70,whatever people, 60, 70 people

(01:39:29):
in the back and you're justcranking and banking this thing
and I mean you just roll out onthis for, for our standards and
airliners, a short runway, it's.
It's just a blast.
You feel like this is why we dothis and um, it's just a shame
that you know wrong place, wrongtime what was the other crash

(01:39:56):
up in Canada?
Yeah, the other CRJ.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
That was another plane you were familiar with
right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah, CRJ 900.
Yeah, so just one was a 700,one was a 900.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Two different airlines, but yeah, you haven't
flown that tail number, though,because it was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
No, because that's at a different carrier.
Yeah, that was at a differentcarrier.
So, yeah, I doubt it was a tailnumber's a different carrier.
Yeah, yeah, that's a differentcarrier.
Uh, so, yeah, I doubt it wasthis a tail number that, unless
they bought and sold but I don'tthink they did.
But that one you know from thevideos I saw yeah, looks like
they hit pretty hard andcollapsed that right main gear
and then folded up that wing andthen, uh, obviously everybody
saw the the over.

(01:40:33):
But what blows my mind is howquickly all that happens.
I mean it's just like in realtime the thing.
How can you be sitting in thefront of that airplane as as one
of the pilots and just likewhat the hell just happened?
I mean just it just so quick.

(01:40:54):
And then nobody got gotseriously hurt or killed.
I mean that's, that's a miracle, thank god.
But um, those I, if I remembercorrectly, those have like a
feet per minute.
So, like I never thought aboutuntil I flew that airplane, you
know when you're trying to do areally soft touchdown, obviously
the goal was to touch down atlike zero feet per minute.

(01:41:16):
There's no differential betweenhow quickly the ground is
coming up to meet you.
That's what you want, right?
That's your softest, you justwant to roll it on and in those,
if I remember correctly, thiscould be way off, so I don't
even know why I'm going to evensay a number, but they have a
finite value.
And I want to say it's like 600feet per minute ish just always
at ish, ish yeah, and allegedlytake.

(01:41:38):
Yeah, give or take 200,allegedly had 600 ish yeah, that
makes me sound more committedto the number than I am, though
allegedly like I actually heardit.
But yeah, I mean, yeah, yourpoint's well taken, um, but
there's a finite value thatstructural failure or structural
damage will occur.
And yeah, I don't remember whatit is.

(01:42:00):
I want to say 600 feet perminute.
But you know, what did theytouch down at?
And obviously there's reasons.
You can have firm landings, youcan do everything right, and
then the wind goes away and thenyour airspeed goes away.
So you're now much closer tostall and in that type of
airplane where you have an80,000 pound while your max
landing weight is probably inthe 60s I don't remember anymore

(01:42:22):
, but your max landing weight is60,000 pounds.
When you're coming out of thebottom of something like that,
what people don't think about islike when we start arresting
the rate of descent in theseairplanes, you know, out of 50
feet we're transitioning fromthat that descent rate to the
runway into arresting it,getting towards that zero feet
per minute you have inertia,kind of pulling you through the

(01:42:45):
bottom of that maneuver, kind ofa sensation and a feeling that
you're not really used to inlight GA airplanes.
Yeah, it's there because youstill have some weight that is
trying to go down and you'retrying to stop it from going
down as fast.
But when you start having100,000 pounds or 80,000 pounds
that you're trying to stop.
That is a huge component ofwhat we're transitioning, what

(01:43:07):
we are managing, and the biggerthe airplane is, the wider range
you're working with.
One landing you may be prettylight, so you're playing that
game and you only really get asensation for when you start
actually picking the nose up totransition to the flare and

(01:43:28):
arrest that sink rate.
But then there's other timeswhere you're closer to max
landing weight and they have twototally different personalities
.
You have maybe 20,000 morepounds that you're wrestling
with of inertia that you have toarrest and sometimes it can
sneak up on you and the airplanebeing.

(01:43:48):
I just flew this, I just flewthis airplane and I didn't have
these types of sensation, thesefeelings, and that will help you
dictate your rate as you reduceyour well, increase your pitch
attitude to arrest it.
Sorry, go ahead, man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
I have nothing to contribute to the airliner
flying flair.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
Yeah well, I thought you were kind of making mention
like wrap it up, or I hadsomething to say.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
I'm usually drinking in the back, is my the vast
majority of my airlineexperience, which I yeah well I
have not done in a long timebecause,

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
I uh well I just don't like it well, yeah, then I
mean the next time you do it, Imean, just think about how much
do we weigh right now and howmuch inertia are we going to
have coming out of the bottom ofthis flare?

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I just hope I don't and I, just I avoid flying the
airlines for years now, at allcosts I don't blame you.
It's not getting any better no,it's it's just for sure it's not
a lot of people.
I don't fly because of this andthat I I was before.
Like the scare of who's in thecockpit and their qualifications

(01:44:59):
, like this recentlyconversation that's been going
on, I just the whole dealingwith the TSA and feeling like
cattle is, even with perfectlyrun aircraft, perfectly trained
crews, with experience and allthe other boxes, it's still just

(01:45:21):
an awful experience to me.
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
I hope not.
I mean not to be funny about it, but I'm not a government fan
and I think most people leftright, whatever I think a lot of
people in their own ways theyknow what it feels like to not
be appreciated by publicservants.
You go to a DMV some of themare phenomenal, whatever, a lot
aren't.
You go to the post officeeverybody knows those feelings.

(01:45:47):
They're public servants, we paytheir salary, but you're
treated just exactly the wayyou're describing and I'm hoping
that, as a byproduct of thiskind of renaissance that we're
having right now with Doge,whatever, that we can kind of
get you know, the ducks back ina row and making them understand
that we're honestly maybe evenbetter than treating us like

(01:46:10):
customers, like we literallydirectly pay.
Pay them for their service.
The only reason theirdepartment is funded, the only
reason they get a paycheck, isbecause of us, and I'm hoping
that that bears some fruit inthe not-too-distant future.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
On that note, I just for 10 years plus I just.
The TSA is ridiculous, like theairline should just handle
their own security in someplaces they do better.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
It would be slightly better, um I not a whole lot
better, because airlines aren't,they're just it's.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
They're gigantic bureaucracies in and of
themselves, but they're alsoresponsible then yeah, but
they're also responsible totheir customers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
If you have you know um million miler people or
platinum elite or whatever yourairline's program is and they
come through and be like I was,whatever, heckled, whatever,
they will make changes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Yeah, the government is so unresponsible to us as
taxpayers, they don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yeah, in do it, they don't care yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
And at least from a financial standpoint, the
airline, I feel like you couldmake, and maybe almost overnight
, changes.
That's just not going to happenwith a government entity.
So, yeah, there's some merit towhat you're saying, I think,
and a lot of these airlines it'sbecoming so competitive you can
go almost anywhere on almostanyone and if that's the race,

(01:47:40):
we don't want the race to thebottom.
We had the race to the bottomover the last 15 years or so and
there's some consolidationthat's happened and some good
and some bad and whatever, and Iunderstand monopolies, but I
feel like that race to thebottom, I think, is mostly over.
So I think that that there willbe.

(01:48:02):
Um, I think there's some goodthings coming.
I mean, I know from us as crewmembers, we, we have something
called known crew member and Iwant to talk to my I don't I'm
probably not supposed to talktoo much about it anyways, but
we have a designated securityabout it anyways.
But we have a designatedsecurity area.
That's not really a secret toanybody, but there have been
people that have just abused itand gotten caught and they're

(01:48:24):
doing away with it now.
So we have, you know,everything's kind of randomly
screened and whatever and it's,it's pretty often.
It's only gotten more and moreoften as time has gone on, as
they have found more peoplegetting through.
When they get randomed, theyfind stuff and it's like dude,
you know, this is such aprivilege, it's not a right,
it's a privilege and you're justabusing it and you're going to

(01:48:45):
ruin it for everybody.
And now they officially have.
So there's a date when they'rewrapping it up and all of our
bags are are going to getscreened every single time.
No more random.
So I'm going to get screenedand I'm okay with that obviously
I got nothing to hide.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
You guys can't not do your Cuban cigars Lee.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
I know.
I know it's a shame, it's ashame.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
It's flight cruise every time you go to Cuba.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Not going to Cuba too often but yeah, yeah, and I'm
fine with it.
Like I said, I have nothing tohide, but it's just.
There are places we go wherethey have like the municipality
or that airport authority hiresprivate security and it is a
breath of fresh air.
It's quick.

(01:49:28):
You always scan your bag.
The bag always goes through theX-ray.
It's like normal screening.
It's like a normal passenger,like pre-check or something, but
it always gets screened, butit's quick.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
It's not the TSA doing TSA-like stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
I mean it's TSA-like stuff and I guess in some sense
it's transportation something.
But it's not the feds, it's notthe Federal Transportation
Security Administration.
Interesting I didn't know thatexisted.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
San Fran, I know, is the oneplace for sure that we have it
and it's a delight.
But everything gets scanned.
You always go through a metaldetector, your bag always gets

(01:50:07):
scanned, but it's quick.
And the one thing that Iabsolutely hate is when we get
random from our normal securityand we have to go get in with
the regular passengers and wehave to do this thing like, okay
, I'm going to wait in this longline, but I got a flight to
leave, we're going to delay, oryou kind of cut people off and
it's like most people are, likewe get it, we're not going

(01:50:27):
unless you're going, but there'sother people who kind of give
you grief and I just don't likeit.
You'd kind of defy the laws ofthe universe, right?
Everybody's first come, firstserved and I just hate it.
That's the one part that I hate.
And if we get our owndesignated security area and
we're always scanned, I will behappy to do it with nothing to
hide and just get through.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Private jets are defying the rules of life.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Whatever you just said.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I forgot the phrase you used.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Defies the laws of the universe.
Yes, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Private jets defy the laws of the universe as far as
traveling, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Yeah, yeah, hey, if you got it.
And you know, COVID taught allof these private net jets
FlexJet.
Did you see that one FlexJet inSouthwest at Midway?

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Where that southwest had to go around oh, yeah,
vaguely yeah, yeah.
Well, anyways, I mean, there'sjust so many these, all these,
you know smaller carriers, youknow net jets, flex jet, uh,
wheels up, there's so many now,and small ones too.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
What net jets had insane standards for their
pilots.
Is that held, do you know, withthe recent airline hiring
spurge?

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
I don't think they've relaxed anything.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Okay, because it just depends on what you want.
They must have upped thesalaries or stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Salaries are way high .
Yeah, salaries are great.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
I know NetJets is one of the most selective hirers of
pilots.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Yeah, no, I mean I'd say they're up there.
Yeah for sure.
I mean they may look indifferent areas and be more
selective in certain areas thanothers, but I don't think
they've had to really relaxanything Just because their pool
of people who want to do thattype of flying is better.
You know, there you get twoweekends off a month.
I may not get any.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
There's seven last I heard most of their pilots run
seven days on, seven days offyes, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
So doesn't that mean you get two weekends a month?

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
probably, yeah, I don .

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I was under the assumption theygot two weekends off a month.
Well, that would sound right.
I can't be sure.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Seven on, seven off, that would be.
Yeah, two weeks A week wouldinclude a weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Some months, depending on how it lines up,
you might get three.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Yes, and I don't know how they handle those.
Well, you're compensated well,so I think it's just a different
pool.
They're pulling from a lot ofthe time and they make great
money and they're treated well.
So I think it just depends.
So I don't think they've had torelax, even though the airlines
are hiring a lot.
I don't think they've had torelax any standards that I know
of.
Yeah, from the people that Iknow that work there, which is
only a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
I don't think they've had to relax any standards that
I know of, yeah, from thepeople that I know that worked
there, which is only a few, butI only know of a few.
There's probably half overlapbetween who we know.
Maybe not I don't know.
I know, yeah, anyway, is that?
I don't know?
I still got drink, drink left.

(01:53:58):
There's not a bunch going onthe chat, usually towards the
end here we rely on chat stuff.
We got 12 people still hangingin there.
Stewart said almost looked likea stage training video, so
perfectly timed the swa goaround yeah, I mean it looked so

(01:54:22):
, so good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Um, I uh, it did look great.
I mean it.
They, they did everything rightby the looks of things.
Um, one thing that I pointedout when I watched it is like,
look how close they are.
I'm like, well, also, I meanthat that that is not a long
runway, those three ones, thedirection they were landing

(01:54:45):
there's three runways and the,the way they were told to to
line the flex.
Joe was told to line up and andthings like that.
And the way they crossed it fromwhat I heard was not clear.
So that's unfortunate.
But back to the mags with theprop Treat it like it's hot.

(01:55:06):
You know, you look both ways.
When you cross the street,right, you look, you're cleared
to cross.
You know, clear left, clearright, cleared to cross.
I mean that's what you say,that's what we do, and I mean
that's what you say, that's whatwe do.
And I mean, did they not seethat?
How did they not see thatSouthwest on short final?
But the one gripe, I will saythat one angle that I saw on
that was when you look at theSouthwest before the camera

(01:55:27):
zooms way in that flex, youcould barely see that flex jet
is so far down the runway it'sat the opposite end of the
runway and when it zooms in toreally capture the landing, the
touchdown of that southwest,which obviously, then it caught
the whole thing.
That flex jet, uh, challenger,whatever it was, uh, prater,
whatever it was, um, I mean itcomes like right.

(01:55:49):
I mean it looks like they're athousand feet apart and I don't
know how close it ultimately was, but I just noticed the
perspective totally got skewedonce that camera zoomed all the
way in.
Um, obviously still would havebeen bad and I haven't gone to
look and see how long thosethree ones are at midway and how
much room maybe he could havehad and could he have gotten it

(01:56:12):
down and stopped.
And who really cares?
The guy shouldn't have beenacross the runway.
And it's just again a symptomof of these super congested
airports.
We just keep trying to crammore airplanes in in the same
amount of time and how we'regetting along as well as we are

(01:56:32):
is honestly almost a miracle.
The endeavor when we talkedabout it has nothing to do with
congestion, but I just pulled upa runway runway map of klna
which is lantana.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Okay, palm beach county air park, west palm beach
.
Uh, I want to say it wasbecause I was.
I was flying with a guy namedAndy Laws.
He was the chief instructor atthe time, so I was probably
working on my CFI, because theCFI I did my commercial with he

(01:57:05):
wasn't a CFI for two years yet.
So I had to go to Andy and I'mon the map here and it's runway
22 in Lantana.
We're about to take off runway22.
And it's runway 22 in Lantana.
We're about to take off runway22,.
And full throttle, becauseLantana, if you pull up the KLNA
map, it's a triangle with kindof not a perfect triangle, so

(01:57:31):
like you have littleintersections at the very each
corner of the triangle there'sintersections.
So we're taking off runway 22,full power, starting to,
starting to roll.
And I have the corner of myright eye I see someone coming
in on 16, a plane like rightthere, and lock full, cut the
power, lock up the brakes, so weskid off like not off, but I

(01:57:53):
think our left wheel and ournose gear might have been off
the runway because I was liketurning to to avoid this plane
and stop from crossing thisrunway.
And uh, yeah, it was just thatwas closer than I don't know how
you define what's close or not.
Like that was within probably10, 15 feet, I would assume.

(01:58:20):
The two airplanes came from uson takeoff and this other guy on
landing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
And I just well, when the wingspan is 35 feet and
somebody comes within 15 feet ofyou, oh yeah, oh yeah, it was
close.
Less than half a wingspan.
That is, oh, potentiallycatastrophic.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Yeah, it was scary, got the heart rate pumping.
Yeah, I'm glad you saw him.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Oh, I can't.
Even I would have called it aday.
Let's go put this plane away.
We'll come back to thistomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
No, we circled back man back at this tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
no, we circled back man read of the takeoff there
was there may have beenprofanities spoken over the
radio, but the guy didn't callin I don't even know if he had
the radio on or what was whatwas going on.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
He never made a call.
We were hearing other trafficin in the vicinity.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
We were making calls, we heard other people's calls,
like other people werecommenting on it, like
afterwards, like our radio wasworking yeah, wasn't.
Like when you were doing aflight review and Mr Q and the
206 got mad at us and it endedup being because Scott's radio

(01:59:37):
wasn't working.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
Right, right, yeah, I'm glad you saw it.
I mean, that's all too easy tohappen.
You know, I know I'm guilty ofthis numerous times.
You're out doing a flightinstruction with somebody and
you're at a relatively busyairport it can be busy.
You're out just beating up thepattern, lap after lap after lap

(02:00:02):
, and you're trying to talk.
If it's a busy day, a nice day,you turn the volume down and
you forget to turn it back upafter you're done talking.
I had that happen numeroustimes.
I still have that happen atwork.
Sometimes I'll have to make anannouncement to the back or
something like that, and I'llturn the volume down on comm one
and then, when I'm supposed tobe talking on the radio, when

(02:00:23):
it's my turn to talk, do all theradios I'll be like, ah, I'm
back, they'll say no changes andI'll forget to turn the comm
one volume back up, like itmight be that way for five
minutes.
I'll forget to turn the commone volume back up, Like it
might be that way for fiveminutes.
I'll miss a radio call orwhatever.
It's just those things happenand the reason doesn't matter
it's.
There are several reasons whythat can happen Wrong frequency,

(02:00:44):
volumes turned down, headsetdisconnected from the, from the
jack, or the battery ran out onthe Bluetooth or whatever, I
don't know.
I mean, there's just so manythings that can lead to the
miscommunication or lack ofcommunication and you got to see
and avoid.
I mean back to basics with thisprop thing, with these airplane

(02:01:09):
, these near misses or thesemidair collisions, obviously,
with that CRJ and that blackhawk.
They they're saying now thatthey did, they did try to pull
up at the last minute, but againback to that inertia thing that
may have worked in a differentairplane or if they weighed 10
000 pounds less.
Yeah, you, you just don't knowyou know, if they would have

(02:01:30):
seen it one second earlier andthey weighed 10 000 pounds less
would have been a non-e.
If they would have seen it onesecond earlier and they weighed
10,000 pounds less, it wouldhave been a non-event, we would
have heard about it.
But it's just crazy how allthat stuff works.
You've got to see and avoidjust basics.
We've got to have these basicsinstilled.

(02:01:51):
It wouldn't have helped in thatinstance.
But you looking, you seeing, youknow that that, uh, jet it
midway, look both ways clear,make sure I mean, yeah, but I
guess actually in the midwaything there's three runways.
They could.
That's something I seesometimes too is if you have
multiple runways, are they linedup for the other runway, the

(02:02:13):
parallel to us, and those, thosethree ones?
They're all very close, veryclosely spaced.
It would have been almostimpossible for them to tell
which runway they were lined upon.
Now that I think about it.
But it's also kind of like, ifit looks like, if you're not
sure, you got to ask, you know,I mean what's the worst that

(02:02:36):
they can say but see, I got noproblem, sound like an idiot and
are you?

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
yeah, hollywood, the little that was the most flying
I did out of an airport that hadthe parallel runways and there
was times it'd be weird becauseit's like you're turning in
while another plane's turning inand it just feels like you're
way too close and it's like thedrifting over and it's like,

(02:03:07):
okay, we're doing this do thatshit at 210 knots.
Yeah, I was doing it super slowspeeds.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
Oh yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, you got somebody alreadyestablished on final and you're
making this turn into finalright next to him and it's like
man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Yeah, you do the I was just going to say Francis,
in the chat 3-1 right isactually closed, and now taxi
hotel at Midway.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Wow, well, I mean, I wish I could pull that.
It would have been nice if Iwould have known that before we
started talking.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Man but either way.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
so 3-1 right.
Okay, so this looks like ithappened on 3-1 left or 3-1
center, I'm not entirely sure.
So I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Francis for the save in the live chat.
Thank you, Francis.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
Yeah, I mean yeah, it still doesn't change the fact
the runways are very close, like, let's say, 3-1 left was open
and 3-1 right or, I'm sorry, 3-1center was turned into a
taxiway, so you had 3-1 left,three, one right, and then they
were way spaced out.
And then that that you know,jet, that crossed.
If they could have looked andbe like, ah no, that looks like

(02:04:19):
they're definitely biased overthere to the right, that's not
my runway, or that's likely notmy runway, but having those two
that are so close together stillopen and the one that that
would have given them someseparation is closed, yeah, that
doesn't help things, but yeah,either way, they're close
together and it's just perfectstorm.

(02:04:40):
Perfect storm.
But you got to look and, if indoubt, ask Jeez, oh man.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
All right, we're almost two and a half hours now,
so I feel like we got a good,solid one in.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
Yeah, knock some dust off.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
Yeah, for those I mentioned, we might talk about
it.
We shut the show down.
I sent out an email.
I sent out stuff on PilotGround.
I don't, I was going to.
I don't know if I ended upsending one out on X.
This is over what?
A year and a half ago now.
Yeah, we just got to the pointwhere we couldn't schedule

(02:05:18):
anymore.
You were, I was going intosoftware school, you were going
into a new job at the airlines.
Yeah, we planned on that, notrolling out the way it did, but
that's how it.
We just couldn't do it.
Uh, and that's why the showbasically shut down.

(02:05:39):
But we're, we're not, we don'thave any plans right now to go
back into the regular scheduled,like programming how we were
doing.
Um, it's just we're, we'remaintaining the the bare minimum
, like the show, the podcastfeed stuff, um, so it's in your

(02:06:03):
podcast player, the rumblechannel, um, stuff that doesn't
cost much to keep up.
And then, like, right now we'redoing this show, so we bring up
the bare necessities to do ashow for a month and, um, yeah,
it'll be just very hit or miss.
Um, we, we like doing this.

(02:06:25):
We just can't do it the way wewere doing it before, so it'll
just be very, very random.
Hopefully not 18 months like itwas this last time, right?

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
hopefully.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
But yeah, probably not even every month.
Hopefully we'll get another onein this year and do it once in
a while, maybe slowly get up to,I don't know, maybe once a
quarter would be.
Would be fun, I'd like that,but we don't know.
Yeah, it'll be, it'll be random.
We're still uh, we still exist,we uh.

Speaker 3 (02:07:05):
I mean, yeah, I mean for me, you know, I just
appreciate you guys.
I appreciate you guys beinghere.
Um, you know, I I think aboutall you guys all the time and we
had like a little family goingand and I miss it and uh, I mean
I don't know, I doubt that camethrough.
Really I'm saying it now, butyou know, I miss hanging out
with the guys and this is a goodopportunity to knock the dust

(02:07:25):
off and hopefully that we can.
Yeah, I mean if we could domonthly or quarterly or so tyler
just said quarterly, I meanthat it would be.
That'd be great if we could dosomething like that and yeah, be
sweet uh see what we can do.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
But yeah, appreciate you guys I'm having a baby here
in the next, any day now, sothat may throw a wrench in the
works for like oh man, more thanyou know, buddy for For a soon
follow-up, so like the quarterlymight be a stretch to do
another one three months fromnow.
So but yeah, we'll see.

(02:08:02):
And I had some other point Iwanted to get across.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
I didn't write it down so I forgot.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
But yeah, oh, I was going to fiddle around.
Uh, not to get in too manydetail, I have a it's an open
source software system calleddiscourse, I think, or just
something.
I was going to try to put thaton Amazon AWS with Pilot Ground

(02:08:34):
to fool around with it andtinker with it like the old
Pilot Ground site I have,because I'll be using it for a
business.
I started a software business.
I started, but I want to do itlower stakes, so I was going to
play around with it.
I have a Robert Berger channelon Rumble.
If you go to robertbergercomright now, it'll forward you and

(02:08:58):
it'll probably be that way forat least the next year to that
channel.
So if you're into the IT sideof fiddling around with that and
want to play around with this,I'm going to set it up on Amazon
AWS, something we should havedone maybe with Pilot Ground,
because I'm thinking I could doit for way like less than 10% of

(02:09:21):
the cost we were paying for thesoftware Pilot Ground used to
run on.
But yeah, so anyway, if you'reinterested in the IT stuff,
check that out.
I was going to stream todaytonight either way.
If you and or Scott couldn'tshow up.
I was going to go live on thatchannel to set up that on Amazon

(02:09:45):
, start the process of settingthat up on Amazon AWS.
So yeah, very technical, veryIT-ish, but there's a lot of
overlap.
So if you're interested in thatkind of stuff, check out the
channel.
Lee's got a Super Cub now.
I'm trying to talk him intodoing some content maybe.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
We'll see what we can do that would be more.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
It'd be just more Lee doing stuff, maybe videos or
whatever.
I don't know with that, butwe'll let you know if that is
the case, if he does anything.

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
You guys will be the first to know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
Robertbergercom B-E-R-G-E-R.
That forwards to my personalRumble channel.
I started, I got one video onthere as of this recording.
I'm probably going to startfiddling around with some of
that stuff with trying to set itup.
I've never done it be a livestream?
Yeah, we'll see, but uh, iflee's around, maybe you go in
the chat, talk in the chat whileI'm doing it.

(02:10:42):
If you got a layover orsomething yeah, man probably
doing the weekend.
You work most weekends now yeahyou're on the road or in the
skies?
It's not considered.
On the road, is it?
When you're an airline pilot?
Uh, in the skies, it's notconsidered.
On the road, is it when you'rean?

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
airline pilot.
That's what we say.
We still say on the road, Onthe road that beautiful yellow
uniform of yours.

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
Yep, that's it.
Yep, okay, yeah, thanks foreverybody who tuned in live.

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
Yeah, keep subscribed to the feed.
The feed subscribe to therumble channel.
Rumblecom slash far aim podcast.
Um, I don't know, I don't thinkwe'll do much of youtube
anymore.
I like rumble, I own rumblestock now.
So, um, probably be focusedjust on that, but see ya.

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
All right, sounds good, see you guys.
Thanks again.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
This is gonna be the part where I don't know.
Oh Lee just signed off, he justkilled it, just left me hanging
while I figure out how to turnoff the live stream.
So I don't know, we're gonnawe're gonna hit some buttons
here and see what happens.

(02:11:58):
I think the chat will go for alittle bit in Rumble.
Oh Lee's still in the chat.
I'm still on the thing as I try, because he hit the button to
leave.
But I have software locked on.

(02:12:19):
There's got to be a button to Ican remove the water.
I can turn the water mark on,is that it?
Is that all I got?
Okay, drink a little out, poura little out, pour a little in

(02:12:39):
okay.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
Oh, that's how small those things are yeah oh that's
an additive.
I thought it was still a can.
Oh, you can buy it in a can,it's just more expensive so if
you add that to how many ounces,what's the alcohol percent when
you do that?
Do you know?
Have you figured that out?

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
no, because it's this says it's 33 percent key to
haul.
Okay, so okay, and how manyounces?

Speaker 3 (02:13:07):
is that like shot?

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
oh my god, we're, we're live.

Speaker 3 (02:13:17):
I think, it's two.
Okay, so it's like adding ashot of whiskey to something I
think we're on rumble.
It says live chat.
I mean there's eight people inhere, Nobody said anything.

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
This is 14 days ago.
Okay, anything, this is 14 daysago.
I can't tell if we're actuallylive somebody in the chat.
We got seven, let us knowviewers.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
Yeah, help us out, if you're seven, I think we are,
though well, I think, let usknow Viewers.
Yeah, help us out.
If you're seeing it Seven, Ithink we are, though, oh, I
think it just yeah the videojust popped up, did it?
Yeah On mine.
Good, okay, this has been awhile.

(02:14:11):
Sure has Over a year.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
What are we talking about?
I got a couple ideas, I did alot of show prep, but I didn't
know what you guys had in mind.
What were you thinking, scott,I'll tell you, but I don't want
to sidetrack you if you alreadyhad something in mind.
I got it written down what Iwas going to.
Yeah, yeah but if I go off, onall the stuff that I had planned

(02:14:37):
.
It's just gonna derail you sookay, I don't want to, I don't
even want to.

Speaker 3 (02:14:41):
You know, taint it at all yeah, fair enough yeah fair
enough, as long as you're notgoing to forget what you had.
No, I won.
I won't forget.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
All right no.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
Perfect, we're going to get into a magazine article
here A magazine.

Speaker 2 (02:14:59):
I got highlights.
Do you still make magazines?

Speaker 1 (02:15:01):
Yeah, oh, I'm way behind.
Okay, I think I'm almost a yearbehind, so it's old stuff,
anything we're going to be ableto weigh in on.

Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
I mean not knowing what article.
Okay, all right, keep itauthentic and genuine.
That's what we do.

Speaker 1 (02:15:15):
It has to do with the keys.
Okay, the keys, the key, themagneto Like Florida keys oh.
Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:15:27):
Wrong keys For real, like magnetos.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
Yeah, the key switch, this article.
I thought it would be helpful.
It's like a public serviceannouncement.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
So are you drinking the ketones Scott?

Speaker 2 (02:15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:42):
We told people 7.30, so we're just going to kind of
hang out, I think, before welegitimately start See if
somebody comes to chat.
But what has your experience?

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
been.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
Yeah, it's hit and miss, ketone wise.
I mean, sometimes you'll get abuzz from it and sometimes I get
nothing.
Really, yeah, how is that?
I don't know how many timeshave you tried first?

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
yeah, yeah, there you go I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
But I mean, sometimes I the first time I definitely
got a buzz, but then, like afterthat, I never quite really got
there again.
You know, okay, I don't knowit's, it's different, it's not

(02:16:31):
worth it I don't.
Well, I would try it.
I would, I would recommendtrying it.
It's not.
It's not gonna get you drunklike regular alcohol does,
though okay it's, it's hard toexplain, like.

(02:16:52):
So what percentage of hit ratedo you have of of actually
getting a buzz off of the fakealcohol?
Well, I don't know, becausesometimes I mix it with real
alcohol and then then I just Idon't really know what is what
you know?

Speaker 3 (02:17:06):
yeah, what's doing it ?
Yeah, yeah, it's not healthy?

Speaker 1 (02:17:10):
yeah well, I think it's actually healthier than
than regular alcohol.
The track record is whatbothers me, like we have
thousands of years of evidenceof what traditional alcohol does
to the human body.

Speaker 2 (02:17:23):
Yeah, it's not great, but it's known.
It's not good, it's known.
Yeah, but this is very unknown.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Yeah Well, it's like.
I mean there's nothing in itthat's toxic, though I mean it's
, it's r13, butane dial orwhatever is the ingredient,
that's not it's like not a toxicsubstance, substance, I guess,
it's just like it.
It's a, it's a form of alcohol,it's in the alcohol family, but

(02:17:54):
it's a different type ofalcohol, like regular alcohol
like you buy at the store hasethanol alcohol in it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
And this is butanedyl or something, or butanol or
something, I don't know how it'spronounced.
I put it in the showdescription so people can see it
if they want.
Lee, double check your micbefore we actually start.
I don't know if you're comingthrough on the actual mic or not
.

Speaker 3 (02:18:20):
Yeah, I'm not talking .
Oh, test, test, test.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
The first time I drank them.
I definitely got a buzz, though.

Speaker 3 (02:18:32):
I remember that, yeah , and I'm kind of let down now
with the new information aswe've gotten more sample size.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I'll let you know how it
goes tonight, I guess.
But it does give you like alittle bit of like a relaxed
feeling, but it's not like analcohol buzz, you know.
Yeah, yeah I mean buzz, youknow, yeah, it might.

(02:19:00):
It might take the edge off alittle bit, but it's not gonna
get you drunk.
Well, you're definitely notusing your, your, your, your
microphone.
It says internal microphoneOkay.

Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
Troubleshooting.

Speaker 1 (02:19:21):
I was working on my spreadsheet to make sure I have
something, because I'm honestlynot done.

Speaker 3 (02:19:26):
Good information when you get into flying stuff.
Well, yeah, when we eventuallyget there and tell me again how
I it might be on the right.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
You can adjust settings on the oh on the right
of riverside yeah, where it saysgriff yeah, hold on a second,
my computer's so slow yeah,there should be your camera,
your microphone and yourspeakers.

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
Mic.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
It says no microphone .
Now that's not good.
Just select Samsung Q2U.
Your speakers are going throughit, your Samsung Q2U mic, but
your microphone's not.
It says no microphone.

(02:20:22):
I don't think anybody'slistening.
There's nobody in the chat wegot six people, so I assume we
got three.
Yeah, because Francis, aviatorFrancis, just came in from San
Antonio, nice.
Hello Francis, we're justhanging out.
We'll start doing somethingpodcast-y here at 7.30.

(02:20:46):
I like this.
Yeah, first chat in a while.
Well, you are adjusting thebutton, lee.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
Yeah First chat in a while you are adjusting the
button Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
Yeah, no, I know, I know I can see that.
Is your microphone on?
Is the switch on your mic on?
Yeah, it's on.
I got a green light.
Okay, light, okay.

(02:21:35):
I just got to figure out whereextension thing is.
Francis, where, francis, whereare you at in your ratings?
I'm just curious.
We got 10 minutes to kill here.

Speaker 3 (02:21:40):
How about now Is?

Speaker 1 (02:21:41):
that better, yes or no, I can hear you.
It still says it's on theinternal microphone on my side.
Tap your mic, hit your mic.
Definitely not Okay.

(02:22:10):
Did you always plug your?
headphones directly into yourmicrophone.
Yeah, okay, now I can hear youdouble again.
Yeah, yeah, I don't have any ofthe song rights.

(02:22:33):
It's like the intro and stuff.
I can't have any of the songrights.
So, like the intro and stuff, Ican't do that.
You don't have any song rights.
No, like the intro song wealways used.
Yeah, you don't Some of thatstuff.
You can't use it anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:22:47):
You pay monthly and I haven't paid it in like a year.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
So Can we just steal something I, you could.
I didn't.
I didn't plug in my boardbecause I didn't want the
temptation.
Yeah, this is the same computeryou used, isn't it?

(02:23:12):
Lee?
I can't hear Lee, I can'teither.
Man, this will be the stream.

(02:23:33):
That almost was yeah, what'shis deal?
I don't know, I'm just tryingto fan on.

Speaker 2 (02:23:42):
I'm sweating.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
already you got to entertain the audience.
Now, scott, for a second.
Oh Jesus, the massive audienceby yourself.
Well, currently I'm trying tofigure out what Lee's doing.
We can't hear you, Lee.
Oh no, it's just me.
I don't really have anything totalk about pricing out some

(02:24:08):
parts here.

Speaker 2 (02:24:12):
That's about it oh good you're back.
Yeah, oh you, you got an extraperson in and the chats, the
chat's on fire.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
Okay, tyler's here.
Nice tyler, we're waiting onlee.
Technical difficulties as usual.
Uh, I'm not sure we're going toleave on Lee.
Technical difficulties as usual, I'm not sure.
Yeah, we'll see.
If Scott fell out, we might beable to proceed, but Scott and I

(02:24:46):
have tried to do a show byourselves before yeah we can't
do a show Turns out really badly.
We would be postponing withoutLee, so hopefully Lee can get
his mic working.
Yeah, because if not, I don'tknow, we don't really know
anything about aviation.
So yeah, we're this song.

(02:25:06):
This podcast is veryLee-centric as far as anything
useful I take apart airplanes.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
So I kind of know, yeah, that kind of stuff would
you take apart recently anotherpa28 140.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
Okay, I just bought a 180 uh I don't know, oh yes,
yeah, there we go.
That sounds great.
Praise God.

Speaker 3 (02:25:41):
I'm glad it worked, because I didn't know what else
to do.

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
Tyler's in the chat.
Yes, lee looks fantastic inyellow.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
I will say Yellow is my favorite color.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Lee looks good in that.
Okay, six minutes.
A couple people rolling in.
Tyler's excited, I'm pumped.
Lee and I were excited today.

Speaker 3 (02:26:10):
Oh, I'm so excited, Been looking so forward to this
and we've been talking aboutkind of doing something.

Speaker 1 (02:26:17):
you know it was our intention to do a episode last
year and that can kind of giveyou an idea of how organized we
are.

Speaker 3 (02:26:28):
As if they didn't already know.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
In that we didn't even get one done last year.
Yeah, so the goal this year wasone, so we're hopefully going
to hit that.
We're going to hit that If weget crazy maybe another one.
Seems like we might be there,scott.
What was that I said?

(02:26:50):
It seems like we might be there.
I can't hear he's not talkinginto his mic, I can't.
Is he even here talking intohis mic?
I can't.
Is he even here?
Scott, is your mic working?
Can you hear me now?
Yes, okay, okay, praise God.
I thought we had another micissue.
I'd rather just use this mic,but I know you're bitching me
for that.
Yeah, because it's awful.
I can't edit this, everything'sjust.

(02:27:14):
That's why I said we might aswell just live stream it,
because it's got to be live totape.
Yeah, and if we didn't livestream it, you guys would.
You guys would assume that Icould edit a bunch of stuff out
and I, I can't because I don'thave the adobe suite right now I
assume that anyway.
Yeah, so if we do it live, thathelps, and then I can just push

(02:27:35):
it live to tape, then we're goodStraight to the puck.
Not this section.
I probably won't.
I'm not really worried aboutwhat I say, because you'll edit
it out, right?
No, I don't have the Adobesuite anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:27:46):
That's what he said.
That's what he just said.
Yeah, that's what I thought hesaid.

Speaker 2 (02:27:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
He said, he said yeah , he said don't, you don't have
to be that careful because, yeah, he could edit it right.
Yeah, roger got it loud andclear, okay.
Um, yeah, I've been lookingforward to this all day.

Speaker 3 (02:28:06):
As we've gotten closer, and I knew it was gonna
happen, I just, you know, justbuilt into a crescendo.
And now here we are.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
Yeah, it was long overdue, for sure.
What are we talking about?
We were going to kick it off at730-ish.
Okay, when, oh with?

(02:28:34):
I was thinking Husky versusSuper Cub, because Lee's very
dialed in right now in thesearching for airplanes process.
So we've been on the group textdiscussing a lot of Husky Super
Cub.
I figure we could just talkabout it in person.
Go through, reiterate some ofthe other stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:28:57):
Get some feedback from the chat too, I'm sure yeah
.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Which airplane should Lee get?
It's a conundrum.

Speaker 3 (02:29:10):
It was a conundrum.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
It was a conundrum.
We won't get too deep.
We'll let it be a cliffhanger.
Maybe we won't mention whichmodel you've ended up actually
hopefully got a done deal on.

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:29:29):
Ooh, Scott, you hungry for Arby's.
I would be why.

Speaker 3 (02:29:37):
Beef and cheddar.
Double beef and cheddar.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Tyler's offering to send some roast beef over your
way.
No, that's all right, I didjust eat, so I mean I'm not
saying I wouldn't eat again, butI don't need to that was if
people missed it live.
I don't know if that ever madeit to air because the episode
was so bad that I don't think Iever published that.
But for the people on the livestream, they remember that Tyler

(02:30:05):
ordered Uber Eats Arby's toScott's house Live on air.
I appreciated that, tyler.
That was very nice of you.
It was a great, great thing Allright.
Yeah, a couple minutes.
I just got an email from Rumblethat it started streaming, so
maybe other people will get thatemail.

Speaker 2 (02:30:26):
We'll get a couple more before we start yeah, we'll
talk about that, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (02:30:32):
We'll get to that.
Thanks for bringing that up.
I didn't even know where weleft it off at the airplane
search, because one of the lastepisodes we did I think that I
saw was we were, we were goingthrough shopping through, uh,
controller, controller, yeah,whatever it was didn't show up
and it was that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:50):
Still, I.
I feel like we could do thatmore often than a legitimate
show.
It's worthless to put on theactual podcast RSS feed because
it's just.
Unless you see what we'relooking at, it's kind of boring.
But as far as just video, it'sgreat, like that's.
I love that because it pulls somuch nuggets that Lee has in
his head that otherwise wouldn'tNuggets being come to the
surface.
You know, lee, you, lee has inhis head that otherwise wouldn't

(02:31:13):
Nuggets being come to thesurface.
You know, lee, you got nuggetsin your head.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
You got nuggets in your head.

Speaker 3 (02:31:20):
Sometimes I'm just happy to have anything in there.

Speaker 2 (02:31:23):
Yeah, I do need guiding.

Speaker 3 (02:31:27):
There's a fair amount in there.
It needs guided out, though,that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:31:36):
All right, though that's for sure.
All right, it's 7.30.
We got nine in the live stream.
Let's do it.

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