May 25, 2023 • 27 mins
Ever wondered what sets a PA12 Super Cruiser apart from a Super Cub, or been curious about the differences between the PA14 Cub Coupe and the PA16 Clipper? Join us for a fun and informative discussion on general aviation, as we debate the advantages of various aircraft with our special guest, Barbara. We'll also touch on Scott's recent acquisition of a PA 28 140 and dive into the fascinating topic of corrugation on control surfaces.
In the second part of our conversation, we explore some quirky topics like messaging services on eBay, rippling flaps on the aircraft, and even a unique kosher rum for Passover. Scott, shares his family's incredible history of innovation, including his great uncle who invented the shrimp deveiner, and his grandfather's brother who created the machine that makes cardboard. We'll also discuss how corrugation can add strength to structures without the extra weight.
Lastly, we examine the structure of scientific research papers and how they relate to private pilot training. Delving into topics like cognitive overload, human factors, and situational awareness, we consider the implications of turning this research into an app. Barb, our first female episode guest, shares her experiences with distractions during online chat and equipment issues like printer jams and outdated ink cartridges. Don't miss out on this captivating episode packed with intriguing discussions and insights!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, three watching now.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We're just waiting on Barb.
Hopefully she's not one of thethree.
I guess it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
No, oh, I wanted to do some.
Have you talked to Ian negative, okay, I Need to email him and
apologize for my Getting myairplanes mixed up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I have not been able to sleep.
Oh No, i'm just thinking it'slike man.
I said P, he said PA 14.
I was talking about PA 16.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't think that was actually on the live stream
though.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
God, it's not gonna turn into any.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't know, i have to go through all that.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, yeah, okay It gets his PA's mixed up.
That's, that's bad.
It's real bad.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's the depressing .
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I am depressed.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What mistake did you make precisely?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
so we were talking about.
So he got a PA 12, a supercruiser, and which a lot of it's
two.
They're cost-effectivealternative to a super cub and
In some senses they have.
They have their own merit.
They're cool in a way.
They have a lot more elbow room, things like that.
They'll never truly be a supercub just because the way the
wings are mounted, the fuselage,the angle of incidence is not.
(01:05):
It's not the same Angles ofsupercubs to the short field
won't.
It'll be closed.
But it'll never be a super cubunless you just put a lot of
money into it to correct that,if you even can.
So he has one of those we weretalking about.
The insurance company He waslike trying, there's only a
couple different types ofairplanes that he could go fly
(01:25):
that they would use as Timebuilding.
Yeah, for checkout purposes.
Yeah and one of them was a PA 14, i believe.
I believe he said PA 14, whichis a cub coupe, and I and I was
thinking PA 16 clipper andObviously those are different.
So pH 14.
(01:46):
If that's what he said, thatmakes sense to me.
I was making a case for it notmaking sense being a PA 16
clipper, except more like atripacer without a More like a
pacer.
Yeah not a tripacer.
Tail wheel, short wings, shortfuselage.
I.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Don't know all my PAs I.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
G.
I pride myself on knowing aboveaverage on them, but I just
bought a PA 28 140, oh Yeah.
How's she looking?
I?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Not bad, i mean it's.
I Came with a lot of parts andan engine, so that's good.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, you're do you know of him, No Narrow deck or
wide deck engine.
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Okay, I don't know.
I just looked at the pile ofparts and the two sets of wings
and two fuselages and threw himout of number.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah okay, cool.
Yeah, feel like he did good.
Yeah, get a prop.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Doesn't matter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I got a lot of stuff.
Yeah great, i paid 9500.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
so are the.
Is the corrugation on thecontrol surfaces Concave or
convex?
convex or concave.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I think concave and then there's some control
surfaces He had that are smooth.
Somebody Rescund them butreskin them smooth, So they're
probably scrap metal.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But yeah, yeah, unless there was like an STC,
where, if you use a higher gaugebecause it would be less strong
, yeah, it wouldn't be.
A strong being smooth rightlike corrugation, is there for
strength.
Yeah so if they used a highergate or Lower, higher thick,
more thick, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
There's a set of control surfaces that are
correct.
And then he bought a partsplane and that came with control
surfaces and those ones werealready covered smooth.
So I don't know.
I'll have to do some researchinteresting.
I wonder if there's an STC.
That'd be sweet if there was.
Yeah, he said that they'reprobably only good for like a
home-built Plane, but he didn'tknow so we mean corrugation on a
(03:47):
control surface you know, onthe pipers they're like like
scalloped looking where theyhave like ridges in them.
Yeah, the sessions have like thelittle ribs in them.
You know, i don't know what youcall them.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Corrigation.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, but theirs are all external.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
All right, Hey Barb.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Barb's here.
Hey, you got us.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What is going on over there?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Do you have headphones?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, sounds like she's printing something.
Yeah, sounds like a printer.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Can she hear us?
She can't hear us.
Oh, audio problems.
Audio, these are always funAudio problems.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The internet looks great though It does.
It's faster internet than wehave.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Audio problems can be the death of an episode.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, We're going to have you come up with a podcast
episode if this doesn't work.
Scott, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I can do that.
Let's talk about automatedsystems.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I can't hear you guys at all.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Weakening you.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
No, I can't hear you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm just going to talk about automated systems.
Do we need her?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That noises me, by the way.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We know Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's stopping.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I want to identify that sound, though That's an
interesting sound.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Help me They're called Barb.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
This is fun.
So yeah, so Sesame, yeah, theyhave like those really sharp.
Hey, the real sharp.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A corrugation.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're going to have you, fine, yeah, yeah, they're
like.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Great, can you hear all?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
that Corrugation right Yeah, i guess.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I guess we'll let them do this, I guess.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Sesame Allerons are always bent Where They're never
perfectly straight.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Huh, do you think that's because they get like
hand rash Or?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
what I don't know.
Just every once in a while I'llget one that's completely
straight.
But most Sesame Allerons I'vegot have like a little curve to
them.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I don't know, i haven't done as many pipers, but
the ones that I have done havebeen straight.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Do you think they're like G'd up or do you think it's
a design on purpose?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It could be a design, but why are some of them
straight and some of them?
Because those are the ones thatare G'd up, could be.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
They got repaired and then they're like, oh, this
should be straight.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
This thing handles like shit.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, i don't know Something to think about.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, i just take pictures and videos of the curve
.
Nobody here says anything aboutthem.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I hear you.
I hear you.
Maybe it's normal, i got you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I had one guy send it back and set it, So you got it
now right.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Perfect, Hi Barb.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Hi, what's doing?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Great.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You've never actually met Lee or Scott in person.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, we've had drinks out of my aunt.
This is also not in person.
What This?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
is technically.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You know what It counts enough.
I was walked around on FaceTimeat Precash Oh yeah, yeah, it's
kind of there.
Yeah, it's moving It's honorary.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We were still embracing COVID at that time, so
everything was virtual.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, distance attendance.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We take that very seriously.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Are we not live yet?
Could I print notes, or do wenot do that?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We're live right now.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
There's only five people watching.
No one's here, tyler, justunder the chat, So he says good
luck.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I have to enter a meeting in four minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We'll check in later, so Tyler's not here.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I'm just gonna send it out.
No, no, that stinks, that's allright, he'll be back.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, he can count on it.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
If I mute my mic one sec can I print things.
I'm very prepared.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, that's the first Good, i'm glad somebody is
.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Don't worry about muting it.
Bob knows how to edit that out.
I make all kinds of noises justbecause I know Bob can edit it
out.
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, that's the spirit.
If you want to print a couplemore things, we are welcome.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think she read between the lines there.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah So.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I need to be here PA-12s.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, i heard.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
PA-12s on Mac It's got the ridges.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is the corrugated That's considered corrugated.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
No, no, not PA-12s, those are fabric coverings.
Yeah, those are fabric.
That's a super cover.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The PA-28 series has the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're like dimples, are they?
are they ups, are they down?
are the innings are early?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Early models were outies.
Oh, okay and that's so.
You can tell the difference alot.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I'm pretty sure these are any I'm pretty sure they're
any.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, late models, and not that late like only like
three or four years into TheCherokee they went to the
concave.
Yeah, corrugation.
I don't know why.
Maybe it was a drag reducingthing, probably we are ever.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You got to point this out to me at the airport.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, i guess.
I mean, do we have a picture ofa?
No, we don't know, i bet inhere, we do I?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Don't know if it'll be close up enough for you to
see it.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh, use your imagination.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Anybody in the check I have.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Services listed on eBay with close-up pictures
Boris air partscom.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yes, email doesn't work, but messaging there.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The only my, the only form of communication that I
will talk to anybody on his eBaymessages.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Send the sun's got an eBay message, i mean, if it
doesn't if it doesn't pertain tosomething I'm selling, i'm not
responding pretend like you wantto buy something And then don't
, unless you need it.
Yeah but, yeah, I just can'tpicture what you guys are
talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I could show you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I tried to.
I tried to read the thesispaper.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So here's a 150 that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
We tried to read it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, i see that, so I feel like a dead because I
should write a long time agowhen you first posted it, but
then I didn't because it got youknow type thing.
He's sent to me today And I gotinterrupted a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's how the how the sesnas have the ripple E flaps
and ailerons.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is that what you're talking about?
You're talking about thesisthing for her master's degree
two conversations at once.
I love it.
I read multitasking.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I definitely didn't write about Sashma and their
yeah wiggly flaps.
Yeah but that see see she got.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
See, she just got into the two conversations.
I.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
See now the moment that was pointed out.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thing a quarter now think of the pipers.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
now, that's what it looks like on the inside.
Yeah, we're gated.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, it's core, all right.
That ad cordation is not quitethe same as cardboard, but it's
made out of aluminum and notwell.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
The spacing is wider.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah yeah, the cardboard is like somebody's
grandfather invented that soGreat uncle, actually great
grandfather's brother.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
She got the shrimp divaner.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, one of his brothers invented the shrimp
divaner and the other oneinvented not cardboard, but the
machine that makes cardboard, amachine that makes cardboard.
So if you look up Google, theinventor of cardboard is not
gonna be him.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's way less cool story.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, I'm flying I was always told as a kid, did
you ask everybody what they'redrinking?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
yet or no, no, no It's hasn't been well received.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
five on there, No I got Eldra to 12 year going and
coke Course yeah we're drinkingcourse.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What do you have?
Barb?
That's the most importantquestion.
What are you drinking course orout Barb?
what is that?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm drinking rum today, Oh wow, the spirit Nice.
I know it is.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
What?
what's the what?
what is unique about this rumthat you've picked it?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's kosher for Passover guys.
Got you makes it very unique.
Passover and I am.
I know there are certain foodsyou can eat and you can't, and
you can't eat.
So it was either this or likefennel liquor.
So we're going around tonightgood for you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I like it.
I've never seen that bottlebefore no, well, i didn't get a
good tilted too, much drop.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So I'd run.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
We're and is that readily available.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, it is actually not to try it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'll let you know if it's good Usually this is the
first time you've tried it live.
Taste test Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah.
I usually I drink a differentrum.
It's called the kappa and it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Oh yeah, i'm the kappa 23 is one of my favorite
speaking Rob's language here Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Nothing better than that one.
This is, it's not bad.
I mean, listen, it doesn't beatthe kappa, but it's gonna.
It's gonna work for us.
Okay, it's gonna work today asit works, mm-hmm, i just wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was gonna try to get some filler content.
I don't know what Barb'sbackground knowledge is
uncorrigated.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Anything a 12 or corrugated.
We went to cardboard, so Icertainly can't participate in
the PA.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I have zero background on corrugated
anything.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, you've probably used a cardboard box before.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Amazon packages mainly my experience with a
boiled potato chips.
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Extra leverage for getting.
Yes, you say they are strongsour cream.
And I close of the cardboard.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
They are less likely.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What is the core.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Corrigation yeah if you take a lay straight potato
chip it's more likely to crack.
Corrigated ruffles brand youknow, scoop right in there.
You can handle the load You.
That's why they make the Cessnamakes its control surfaces like
that, so does Piper.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We're reeling it in, we're reeling it in back to
flying, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So the corrugation adds strength to the structure
without adding that much moreweight, because you can also
make the aluminum you're usingtwice as thick to net the same
thing.
Now you've added weight, thoughYou've added strength without
adding weight.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Throughout my observations, it's much more
likely to find a bent Cessnacontrol surface than a bent
Piper control surface.
Really, pipers are the best.
I come across a lot of bent.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Because more people train in Cessnas than they do
Pipers.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's possible.
I don't know.
I come across a lot of bentCessna control surfaces.
People are trying to do waymore hardcore stuff in Cessnas.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Probably More than so than Piper with the exception
of the Super Cub type Pipers areobviously pretty hardcore.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Pretty hardcore with archers and Cherokees.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, but Lee doesn't even know his P8 number.
Yeah, you got me confused.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He got Ian's P8 wrong the other night It was rough.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It was not rough then .
I was too inebriated to evennotice, and that may have played
into it as well.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
He will go.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But since then I woke up the next morning and was
like I was talking about PA14 orPA16.
What did I do?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So I mean there's that, but like so, if you have a
19,000 hour 172 and a 19,000hour Cherokee 140, what
difference does it make?
The two examples you're lookingat one's got a bent this and
this doesn't have a bent this.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
What does it matter with the fleet?
wide statistics bear out.
You'll find you'll come acrossa 10,000 hour Cherokee and a
10,000 hour 150, 172.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, the 10,000 hour Cessna is going to have bent
ailerons.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But will the 10,000 hour Cherokee That was the those
that we need we need stats onthat type of stuff.
If everybody's going to sayit's because Cessna is the
trainer of choice for everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You buy way more Cessna Guys.
what if they were a?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
recall on Piper Wings for metal fatigue or something.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's the spar.
That was a spar problem.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah Yeah, Embry Riddle.
A nice shirt.
By the way, They had an issuethat the.
Yeah, they were doing a checkride, So a dude in his examiner,
student in their examiner.
That's right, yeah, the thebroke up in flight.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And now there's mandatory inspections on Piper
spars.
It's cause they don't even havea strut Buzz it.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
While we're at it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The strut's missing.
I have an announcement.
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Uh-oh, we're going to cover a lot of grounds.
Yeah, fire away.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Get.
no, it's very important that Isay this in the very beginning,
because you mentioned my shirtand it's.
it was a conscious choice And Ithink that that's what you get
when you have females on theshow, And I think it's very
important to note that I'm thefirst female guest on the show.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And that I know.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I know, i know It's very important.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
We should discuss it because it's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I, we usually we try not to let women on cause you
know a listener reached out Wemay have her on the show before
I'm.
Just she is an attorney And Isaid I can't cause.
I promise Ian he'd be the firstattorney and I promise Barb
should be the first female.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
No, amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I'm so happy that we're both we could yeah.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
We're so happy to have you, barb, we really are,
it's fun.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm so happy guys.
It's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We're trying to we're trying to bump up our DEI
numbers, so I don't know whatthat means.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I need a beer.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Diversity, equity and inclusion.
I'm very impressed Scott BorisOh at Boris Cycle.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
We're a very, very DEI oriented.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He does HR for his company.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And DEI is our business model revolves around
DEI.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, I'm sure it does .
Nicole works for you, or?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
She does part time at my other job, so I guess we do
have.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
One of the businesses .
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Not that way, though It counts It counts.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
So my first paper was on, you know, cockpit
digitalization and all that.
The other one was about DEIinitiatives in the big three in
Delta, United and American.
So Excellent.
That's how I know what DEI is.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well, we can do that on the next step.
Next time you're on, nextepisode, you're on.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We could, absolutely.
You can read that one inadvance too, and it'll be
awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Did you put that one on pilot ground?
I don't think so.
Yeah, you can just sound to me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Also, the other one's easier to read.
I'm going to tell you why thisone's not as easy to read.
Because I did it with a groupof people who are way smarter
than me who, like, did all thestatistics and crunched all the
numbers and stuff, and the DEIone I wrote myself, so it's
legible.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Love it.
I like it better already.
Yeah, i like it better already.
You should have just used chattpt.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It's really good at DEI.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So let's bring this back to the, i guess the topic
at hand with the automation oneon human factors, when you're
working with the otherindividuals on the paper, i mean
was there because I knowthey're taking statistics,
they're taking ASAP, asarreports and all these flow
(18:26):
charts and charts and all thestuff And they're trying to put
it into textual and everythingelse When you have, i don't, i
wish we were alive, well, okay.
So it's like why did you nothave more of a part in saying,
hey, this doesn't need to soundthis sciencey, this doesn't need
(18:47):
to sound like this, so thatanybody could read it.
What's wrong with?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
science.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, because it's an important paper to write and
it's an important topic to delveinto, for sure, and the big
three again, but millions,hundreds of millions of dollars
into this topic.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Could have been.
Sponsoring the sorry podcastCould have been, i think, what
we could do with that money Andso like it's important that it's
the subject matter is legible.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, legible and able to be deciphered by the
average person, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I guess where were ?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
you in that process.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So, first of all, you can start the story right now,
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You don't even have to answer my question, No.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I can answer your question.
I mean, I'm probably going toforget half of it as I talk.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That's all I do, but I already forgot what I asked.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Exactly, forget it.
You and me together would be amess, like it was just okay.
Um, a lot of talking.
So for me, my role in thispaper was the literature review,
so I basically went throughdocuments on cognitive overload,
on digitalized flight decks, onhuman error, on human factors,
(19:55):
on like all of those elements.
I researched them and Isummarize them.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
How many?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
of my area that produce.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And so how many?
so you like data collection?
How would you describe that?
If you had to boil that down,you're going to give yourself a
title in the project.
What would that title have been?
It's not a collection, Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Data collection is the people who gathered all of
the actual, like accident dataAnd then like that, was that?
So when you write a researchpaper like a scientific study.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Did we start the episode?
No, what's good?
Fine, though This is great, iwas going to say we should do
this After we start the episode.
This will be great to come outafter the episode.
I'm an amour.
I'm an amour.
Well, i'm saying like we'regoing into everything.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You were supposed to go on the episode, but you
didn't even start the episode.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I need to get 20 minutes or something.
I'm completely enamored and youjust interrupted by Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
All right, well, we'll get the actual topic.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Give me a few more sips and I'll just I'll be
interrupting Scott We get theactual episode, topic All right,
this is fine.
Fine, you know afterwards.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm going to get a beer or whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Get a beer, get a beer, got some, take a break,
whatever.
He's not listening.
We could talk about him now ifwe really want to, it's true.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He could hear our end , though That's the difference
we have, because we're all inthe same room now.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So he'll hear our end of it, so I can say things You
can, he won't hear them.
Yeah, oh, i love that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay no-transcript.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Okay.
So when you in general, likewhen you write a scientific
research paper, whether it'syou're gathering qualitative
data or quantitative data, itgenerally follows the same
structure.
So you have sort of anintroduction like an abstract,
and then you present like ahypothesis If it's, you know, if
(21:38):
it's quantitative, there arelike hypotheses and null
hypotheses and it's like a wholething and then You basically
look at so what I did wassomething called the literature
review, which is where you lookat the research that's currently
out there and you summarize itand you find a hole in that
research, which is where yoursis gonna fit.
So like I needed to make surethat all the research on
(22:02):
cognitive overload and and Humanfactors and things like that,
like I needed to basically givethe reader background on it.
Then we went through like yougo through like a method section
where you discuss Like howyou're going to specifically
Tackle the research, which wasthat huge flow chart that you
(22:22):
saw, and then after that youactually crunch the numbers and
then you Summarize them and allof that.
So I mean I can talk about likeour findings, but I can't talk.
I'm not like a statisticsperson.
Yeah, not, um, so I can most ofour art.
(22:43):
Yeah, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, um Whatever it's for me So.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I Mean most people.
I mean, I don't know that I'm astatistics person or not.
I'm a numbers person, so maybeI know statistics as part of
that, but I don't.
I never took it in like highschool or anything, so I don't
really know.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, no, i was gonna say I was gonna say I figured
with this episode we could taketime to talk about how, because
I've been through private pilottraining and I have my AGI, so I
know what it's like to be able,like to have to instruct people
so that now they get theirlicense and whatever.
Like we never touched onSpecifically with situational
(23:24):
awareness is or like cognitiveworkload and overload or human
factors like memory fatigue,ergonomics and how that goes
into like the design of acockpit or cognitive Distortions
doesn't get, or I'm notcognitive search, i'm sorry, the
singular illusions and thingsdon't get touched till
instrument, but it's, it'simportant to know, like for
nighttime, for in general thingslike that.
(23:44):
And so those were the areasthat I researched from my paper.
So even if we spent the timejust discussing those things and
like Helping gent, like GApilots understand those things
better, like I looked at them inthe in the terms of commercial,
commercial, because I got mygraduate certificate in
aeronautics and that was likewhat we covered, but it I think
(24:08):
it's just a very, it's veryinteresting and pretty necessary
for private pilots to know.
Yeah, absolutely like you wantto talk numbers, we can.
But like we put it into an appand some B22 pilot handled it
for us.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So how long before I don't have to do anything?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let's let's wait till we get an episode for that.
I'm trying to parse.
What should we start?
how should I introduce thisepisode?
because you you've got a trainof thought about to go right now
.
We can just jump off of thatand see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But so I can say that train of thought or mine yours,
yours Way, way better, i'm sure.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
My thought train is very focused or we can or we can
kick it off like that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Scott can.
Yeah, it's got.
You can do the intro.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I have a great train of thought.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Why don't you do the intro and introduce?
like a freight train first,first female Episode guest.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
No, i don't know I can't feed him anything.
I want to hear what he's gonnasay.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think she, i think she's introduced herself.
Absolutely not, i'm not, i'mnot good at this.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I can say masters, right, that's what I do.
I have okay.
Oh, so I have to.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I know it's it mean you could, but it's, it's a
graduate certificate, it'scalled.
I do have a masters in teachingliteracy.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay so oh Well, that plays into your role in the
Research.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Oh yeah, i know, no, not really the teaching literacy
part, like I teach kids how toread, like that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
and then the Scott I can read it's not, it's not the
reading, it's the, it's thereading.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
and then Talking, talking out It's, it's the
talking, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It's the visual to mouth thing that I like.
If I'm just reading It's, i canread real quick, but you know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
All right, it's the expressive language.
I can cover it if you want.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's gonna wing it, cuz my brain is so big that it
it can't really.
If this doesn't work, the sameas other people's brains, You
know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's why I started doing at the ENF.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I just keep hitting it until like.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You could just make a little clip of me talking about
how big my brain is.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Wait, I can't see the chat.
Should I be able to?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Nobody's in it.
It might be nice, but it couldbe distracting.
There's 12 people watching,nobody's active.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Nobody's active in the chat, it's always just.
You'd pull Yeah.
I do know rebel comm slash faraim on your phone and then see
it there, i'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, my notes on my phone, the printer, the ink.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I have to change it.
I'm all jammed up.
Get distracted.
Just focus on us.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You'll be in the game than we are All right.
We knew that that was gonnahappen, regardless of the
situation, though, but
Yeah, three watching now.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We're just waiting on Barb.
Hopefully she's not one of thethree.
I guess it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
No, oh, I wanted to do some.
Have you talked to Ian negative, okay, I Need to email him and
apologize for my Getting myairplanes mixed up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I have not been able to sleep.
Oh No, i'm just thinking it'slike man.
I said P, he said PA 14.
I was talking about PA 16.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't think that was actually on the live stream
though.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
God, it's not gonna turn into any.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't know, i have to go through all that.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, yeah, okay It gets his PA's mixed up.
That's, that's bad.
It's real bad.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's the depressing .
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I am depressed.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What mistake did you make precisely?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
so we were talking about.
So he got a PA 12, a supercruiser, and which a lot of it's
two.
They're cost-effectivealternative to a super cub and
In some senses they have.
They have their own merit.
They're cool in a way.
They have a lot more elbow room, things like that.
They'll never truly be a supercub just because the way the
wings are mounted, the fuselage,the angle of incidence is not.
(01:05):
It's not the same Angles ofsupercubs to the short field
won't.
It'll be closed.
But it'll never be a super cubunless you just put a lot of
money into it to correct that,if you even can.
So he has one of those we weretalking about.
The insurance company He waslike trying, there's only a
couple different types ofairplanes that he could go fly
(01:25):
that they would use as Timebuilding.
Yeah, for checkout purposes.
Yeah and one of them was a PA 14, i believe.
I believe he said PA 14, whichis a cub coupe, and I and I was
thinking PA 16 clipper andObviously those are different.
So pH 14.
(01:46):
If that's what he said, thatmakes sense to me.
I was making a case for it notmaking sense being a PA 16
clipper, except more like atripacer without a More like a
pacer.
Yeah not a tripacer.
Tail wheel, short wings, shortfuselage.
I.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Don't know all my PAs I.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
G.
I pride myself on knowing aboveaverage on them, but I just
bought a PA 28 140, oh Yeah.
How's she looking?
I?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Not bad, i mean it's.
I Came with a lot of parts andan engine, so that's good.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, you're do you know of him, No Narrow deck or
wide deck engine.
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Okay, I don't know.
I just looked at the pile ofparts and the two sets of wings
and two fuselages and threw himout of number.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah okay, cool.
Yeah, feel like he did good.
Yeah, get a prop.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Doesn't matter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I got a lot of stuff.
Yeah great, i paid 9500.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
so are the.
Is the corrugation on thecontrol surfaces Concave or
convex?
convex or concave.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I think concave and then there's some control
surfaces He had that are smooth.
Somebody Rescund them butreskin them smooth, So they're
probably scrap metal.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But yeah, yeah, unless there was like an STC,
where, if you use a higher gaugebecause it would be less strong
, yeah, it wouldn't be.
A strong being smooth rightlike corrugation, is there for
strength.
Yeah so if they used a highergate or Lower, higher thick,
more thick, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
There's a set of control surfaces that are
correct.
And then he bought a partsplane and that came with control
surfaces and those ones werealready covered smooth.
So I don't know.
I'll have to do some researchinteresting.
I wonder if there's an STC.
That'd be sweet if there was.
Yeah, he said that they'reprobably only good for like a
home-built Plane, but he didn'tknow so we mean corrugation on a
(03:47):
control surface you know, onthe pipers they're like like
scalloped looking where theyhave like ridges in them.
Yeah, the sessions have like thelittle ribs in them.
You know, i don't know what youcall them.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Corrigation.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, but theirs are all external.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
All right, Hey Barb.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Barb's here.
Hey, you got us.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What is going on over there?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Do you have headphones?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, sounds like she's printing something.
Yeah, sounds like a printer.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Can she hear us?
She can't hear us.
Oh, audio problems.
Audio, these are always funAudio problems.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The internet looks great though It does.
It's faster internet than wehave.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Audio problems can be the death of an episode.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, We're going to have you come up with a podcast
episode if this doesn't work.
Scott, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I can do that.
Let's talk about automatedsystems.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I can't hear you guys at all.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Weakening you.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
No, I can't hear you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm just going to talk about automated systems.
Do we need her?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That noises me, by the way.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We know Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's stopping.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I want to identify that sound, though That's an
interesting sound.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Help me They're called Barb.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
This is fun.
So yeah, so Sesame, yeah, theyhave like those really sharp.
Hey, the real sharp.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A corrugation.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're going to have you, fine, yeah, yeah, they're
like.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Great, can you hear all?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
that Corrugation right Yeah, i guess.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I guess we'll let them do this, I guess.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Sesame Allerons are always bent Where They're never
perfectly straight.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Huh, do you think that's because they get like
hand rash Or?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
what I don't know.
Just every once in a while I'llget one that's completely
straight.
But most Sesame Allerons I'vegot have like a little curve to
them.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I don't know, i haven't done as many pipers, but
the ones that I have done havebeen straight.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Do you think they're like G'd up or do you think it's
a design on purpose?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It could be a design, but why are some of them
straight and some of them?
Because those are the ones thatare G'd up, could be.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
They got repaired and then they're like, oh, this
should be straight.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
This thing handles like shit.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, i don't know Something to think about.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, i just take pictures and videos of the curve
.
Nobody here says anything aboutthem.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I hear you.
I hear you.
Maybe it's normal, i got you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I had one guy send it back and set it, So you got it
now right.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Perfect, Hi Barb.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Hi, what's doing?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Great.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You've never actually met Lee or Scott in person.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, we've had drinks out of my aunt.
This is also not in person.
What This?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
is technically.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You know what It counts enough.
I was walked around on FaceTimeat Precash Oh yeah, yeah, it's
kind of there.
Yeah, it's moving It's honorary.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We were still embracing COVID at that time, so
everything was virtual.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, distance attendance.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We take that very seriously.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Are we not live yet?
Could I print notes, or do wenot do that?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We're live right now.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
There's only five people watching.
No one's here, tyler, justunder the chat, So he says good
luck.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I have to enter a meeting in four minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We'll check in later, so Tyler's not here.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I'm just gonna send it out.
No, no, that stinks, that's allright, he'll be back.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, he can count on it.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
If I mute my mic one sec can I print things.
I'm very prepared.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, that's the first Good, i'm glad somebody is
.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Don't worry about muting it.
Bob knows how to edit that out.
I make all kinds of noises justbecause I know Bob can edit it
out.
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, that's the spirit.
If you want to print a couplemore things, we are welcome.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think she read between the lines there.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah So.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I need to be here PA-12s.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, i heard.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
PA-12s on Mac It's got the ridges.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is the corrugated That's considered corrugated.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
No, no, not PA-12s, those are fabric coverings.
Yeah, those are fabric.
That's a super cover.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The PA-28 series has the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're like dimples, are they?
are they ups, are they down?
are the innings are early?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Early models were outies.
Oh, okay and that's so.
You can tell the difference alot.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I'm pretty sure these are any I'm pretty sure they're
any.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, late models, and not that late like only like
three or four years into TheCherokee they went to the
concave.
Yeah, corrugation.
I don't know why.
Maybe it was a drag reducingthing, probably we are ever.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You got to point this out to me at the airport.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, i guess.
I mean, do we have a picture ofa?
No, we don't know, i bet inhere, we do I?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Don't know if it'll be close up enough for you to
see it.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh, use your imagination.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Anybody in the check I have.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Services listed on eBay with close-up pictures
Boris air partscom.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yes, email doesn't work, but messaging there.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The only my, the only form of communication that I
will talk to anybody on his eBaymessages.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Send the sun's got an eBay message, i mean, if it
doesn't if it doesn't pertain tosomething I'm selling, i'm not
responding pretend like you wantto buy something And then don't
, unless you need it.
Yeah but, yeah, I just can'tpicture what you guys are
talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I could show you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I tried to.
I tried to read the thesispaper.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So here's a 150 that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
We tried to read it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, i see that, so I feel like a dead because I
should write a long time agowhen you first posted it, but
then I didn't because it got youknow type thing.
He's sent to me today And I gotinterrupted a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's how the how the sesnas have the ripple E flaps
and ailerons.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is that what you're talking about?
You're talking about thesisthing for her master's degree
two conversations at once.
I love it.
I read multitasking.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I definitely didn't write about Sashma and their
yeah wiggly flaps.
Yeah but that see see she got.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
See, she just got into the two conversations.
I.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
See now the moment that was pointed out.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thing a quarter now think of the pipers.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
now, that's what it looks like on the inside.
Yeah, we're gated.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, it's core, all right.
That ad cordation is not quitethe same as cardboard, but it's
made out of aluminum and notwell.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
The spacing is wider.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah yeah, the cardboard is like somebody's
grandfather invented that soGreat uncle, actually great
grandfather's brother.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
She got the shrimp divaner.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, one of his brothers invented the shrimp
divaner and the other oneinvented not cardboard, but the
machine that makes cardboard, amachine that makes cardboard.
So if you look up Google, theinventor of cardboard is not
gonna be him.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's way less cool story.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, I'm flying I was always told as a kid, did
you ask everybody what they'redrinking?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
yet or no, no, no It's hasn't been well received.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
five on there, No I got Eldra to 12 year going and
coke Course yeah we're drinkingcourse.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What do you have?
Barb?
That's the most importantquestion.
What are you drinking course orout Barb?
what is that?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm drinking rum today, Oh wow, the spirit Nice.
I know it is.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
What?
what's the what?
what is unique about this rumthat you've picked it?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's kosher for Passover guys.
Got you makes it very unique.
Passover and I am.
I know there are certain foodsyou can eat and you can't, and
you can't eat.
So it was either this or likefennel liquor.
So we're going around tonightgood for you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I like it.
I've never seen that bottlebefore no, well, i didn't get a
good tilted too, much drop.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So I'd run.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
We're and is that readily available.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, it is actually not to try it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'll let you know if it's good Usually this is the
first time you've tried it live.
Taste test Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah.
I usually I drink a differentrum.
It's called the kappa and it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Oh yeah, i'm the kappa 23 is one of my favorite
speaking Rob's language here Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Nothing better than that one.
This is, it's not bad.
I mean, listen, it doesn't beatthe kappa, but it's gonna.
It's gonna work for us.
Okay, it's gonna work today asit works, mm-hmm, i just wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was gonna try to get some filler content.
I don't know what Barb'sbackground knowledge is
uncorrigated.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Anything a 12 or corrugated.
We went to cardboard, so Icertainly can't participate in
the PA.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I have zero background on corrugated
anything.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, you've probably used a cardboard box before.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Amazon packages mainly my experience with a
boiled potato chips.
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Extra leverage for getting.
Yes, you say they are strongsour cream.
And I close of the cardboard.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
They are less likely.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What is the core.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Corrigation yeah if you take a lay straight potato
chip it's more likely to crack.
Corrigated ruffles brand youknow, scoop right in there.
You can handle the load You.
That's why they make the Cessnamakes its control surfaces like
that, so does Piper.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We're reeling it in, we're reeling it in back to
flying, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So the corrugation adds strength to the structure
without adding that much moreweight, because you can also
make the aluminum you're usingtwice as thick to net the same
thing.
Now you've added weight, thoughYou've added strength without
adding weight.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Throughout my observations, it's much more
likely to find a bent Cessnacontrol surface than a bent
Piper control surface.
Really, pipers are the best.
I come across a lot of bent.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Because more people train in Cessnas than they do
Pipers.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's possible.
I don't know.
I come across a lot of bentCessna control surfaces.
People are trying to do waymore hardcore stuff in Cessnas.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Probably More than so than Piper with the exception
of the Super Cub type Pipers areobviously pretty hardcore.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Pretty hardcore with archers and Cherokees.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, but Lee doesn't even know his P8 number.
Yeah, you got me confused.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He got Ian's P8 wrong the other night It was rough.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It was not rough then .
I was too inebriated to evennotice, and that may have played
into it as well.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
He will go.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But since then I woke up the next morning and was
like I was talking about PA14 orPA16.
What did I do?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So I mean there's that, but like so, if you have a
19,000 hour 172 and a 19,000hour Cherokee 140, what
difference does it make?
The two examples you're lookingat one's got a bent this and
this doesn't have a bent this.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
What does it matter with the fleet?
wide statistics bear out.
You'll find you'll come acrossa 10,000 hour Cherokee and a
10,000 hour 150, 172.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, the 10,000 hour Cessna is going to have bent
ailerons.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But will the 10,000 hour Cherokee That was the those
that we need we need stats onthat type of stuff.
If everybody's going to sayit's because Cessna is the
trainer of choice for everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You buy way more Cessna Guys.
what if they were a?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
recall on Piper Wings for metal fatigue or something.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's the spar.
That was a spar problem.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah Yeah, Embry Riddle.
A nice shirt.
By the way, They had an issuethat the.
Yeah, they were doing a checkride, So a dude in his examiner,
student in their examiner.
That's right, yeah, the thebroke up in flight.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And now there's mandatory inspections on Piper
spars.
It's cause they don't even havea strut Buzz it.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
While we're at it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The strut's missing.
I have an announcement.
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Uh-oh, we're going to cover a lot of grounds.
Yeah, fire away.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Get.
no, it's very important that Isay this in the very beginning,
because you mentioned my shirtand it's.
it was a conscious choice And Ithink that that's what you get
when you have females on theshow, And I think it's very
important to note that I'm thefirst female guest on the show.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And that I know.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I know, i know It's very important.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
We should discuss it because it's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I, we usually we try not to let women on cause you
know a listener reached out Wemay have her on the show before
I'm.
Just she is an attorney And Isaid I can't cause.
I promise Ian he'd be the firstattorney and I promise Barb
should be the first female.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
No, amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I'm so happy that we're both we could yeah.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
We're so happy to have you, barb, we really are,
it's fun.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm so happy guys.
It's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We're trying to we're trying to bump up our DEI
numbers, so I don't know whatthat means.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I need a beer.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Diversity, equity and inclusion.
I'm very impressed Scott BorisOh at Boris Cycle.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
We're a very, very DEI oriented.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He does HR for his company.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And DEI is our business model revolves around
DEI.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, I'm sure it does .
Nicole works for you, or?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
She does part time at my other job, so I guess we do
have.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
One of the businesses .
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Not that way, though It counts It counts.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
So my first paper was on, you know, cockpit
digitalization and all that.
The other one was about DEIinitiatives in the big three in
Delta, United and American.
So Excellent.
That's how I know what DEI is.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well, we can do that on the next step.
Next time you're on, nextepisode, you're on.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
We could, absolutely.
You can read that one inadvance too, and it'll be
awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Did you put that one on pilot ground?
I don't think so.
Yeah, you can just sound to me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Also, the other one's easier to read.
I'm going to tell you why thisone's not as easy to read.
Because I did it with a groupof people who are way smarter
than me who, like, did all thestatistics and crunched all the
numbers and stuff, and the DEIone I wrote myself, so it's
legible.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Love it.
I like it better already.
Yeah, i like it better already.
You should have just used chattpt.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It's really good at DEI.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So let's bring this back to the, i guess the topic
at hand with the automation oneon human factors, when you're
working with the otherindividuals on the paper, i mean
was there because I knowthey're taking statistics,
they're taking ASAP, asarreports and all these flow
(18:26):
charts and charts and all thestuff And they're trying to put
it into textual and everythingelse When you have, i don't, i
wish we were alive, well, okay.
So it's like why did you nothave more of a part in saying,
hey, this doesn't need to soundthis sciencey, this doesn't need
(18:47):
to sound like this, so thatanybody could read it.
What's wrong with?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
science.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, because it's an important paper to write and
it's an important topic to delveinto, for sure, and the big
three again, but millions,hundreds of millions of dollars
into this topic.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Could have been.
Sponsoring the sorry podcastCould have been, i think, what
we could do with that money Andso like it's important that it's
the subject matter is legible.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, legible and able to be deciphered by the
average person, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I guess where were ?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
you in that process.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So, first of all, you can start the story right now,
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You don't even have to answer my question, No.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I can answer your question.
I mean, I'm probably going toforget half of it as I talk.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That's all I do, but I already forgot what I asked.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Exactly, forget it.
You and me together would be amess, like it was just okay.
Um, a lot of talking.
So for me, my role in thispaper was the literature review,
so I basically went throughdocuments on cognitive overload,
on digitalized flight decks, onhuman error, on human factors,
(19:55):
on like all of those elements.
I researched them and Isummarize them.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
How many?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
of my area that produce.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And so how many?
so you like data collection?
How would you describe that?
If you had to boil that down,you're going to give yourself a
title in the project.
What would that title have been?
It's not a collection, Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Data collection is the people who gathered all of
the actual, like accident dataAnd then like that, was that?
So when you write a researchpaper like a scientific study.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Did we start the episode?
No, what's good?
Fine, though This is great, iwas going to say we should do
this After we start the episode.
This will be great to come outafter the episode.
I'm an amour.
I'm an amour.
Well, i'm saying like we'regoing into everything.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You were supposed to go on the episode, but you
didn't even start the episode.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I need to get 20 minutes or something.
I'm completely enamored and youjust interrupted by Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
All right, well, we'll get the actual topic.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Give me a few more sips and I'll just I'll be
interrupting Scott We get theactual episode, topic All right,
this is fine.
Fine, you know afterwards.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm going to get a beer or whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Get a beer, get a beer, got some, take a break,
whatever.
He's not listening.
We could talk about him now ifwe really want to, it's true.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He could hear our end , though That's the difference
we have, because we're all inthe same room now.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So he'll hear our end of it, so I can say things You
can, he won't hear them.
Yeah, oh, i love that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay no-transcript.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Okay.
So when you in general, likewhen you write a scientific
research paper, whether it'syou're gathering qualitative
data or quantitative data, itgenerally follows the same
structure.
So you have sort of anintroduction like an abstract,
and then you present like ahypothesis If it's, you know, if
(21:38):
it's quantitative, there arelike hypotheses and null
hypotheses and it's like a wholething and then You basically
look at so what I did wassomething called the literature
review, which is where you lookat the research that's currently
out there and you summarize itand you find a hole in that
research, which is where yoursis gonna fit.
So like I needed to make surethat all the research on
(22:02):
cognitive overload and and Humanfactors and things like that,
like I needed to basically givethe reader background on it.
Then we went through like yougo through like a method section
where you discuss Like howyou're going to specifically
Tackle the research, which wasthat huge flow chart that you
(22:22):
saw, and then after that youactually crunch the numbers and
then you Summarize them and allof that.
So I mean I can talk about likeour findings, but I can't talk.
I'm not like a statisticsperson.
Yeah, not, um, so I can most ofour art.
(22:43):
Yeah, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, um Whatever it's for me So.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I Mean most people.
I mean, I don't know that I'm astatistics person or not.
I'm a numbers person, so maybeI know statistics as part of
that, but I don't.
I never took it in like highschool or anything, so I don't
really know.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, no, i was gonna say I was gonna say I figured
with this episode we could taketime to talk about how, because
I've been through private pilottraining and I have my AGI, so I
know what it's like to be able,like to have to instruct people
so that now they get theirlicense and whatever.
Like we never touched onSpecifically with situational
(23:24):
awareness is or like cognitiveworkload and overload or human
factors like memory fatigue,ergonomics and how that goes
into like the design of acockpit or cognitive Distortions
doesn't get, or I'm notcognitive search, i'm sorry, the
singular illusions and thingsdon't get touched till
instrument, but it's, it'simportant to know, like for
nighttime, for in general thingslike that.
(23:44):
And so those were the areasthat I researched from my paper.
So even if we spent the timejust discussing those things and
like Helping gent, like GApilots understand those things
better, like I looked at them inthe in the terms of commercial,
commercial, because I got mygraduate certificate in
aeronautics and that was likewhat we covered, but it I think
(24:08):
it's just a very, it's veryinteresting and pretty necessary
for private pilots to know.
Yeah, absolutely like you wantto talk numbers, we can.
But like we put it into an appand some B22 pilot handled it
for us.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So how long before I don't have to do anything?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let's let's wait till we get an episode for that.
I'm trying to parse.
What should we start?
how should I introduce thisepisode?
because you you've got a trainof thought about to go right now
.
We can just jump off of thatand see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
But so I can say that train of thought or mine yours,
yours Way, way better, i'm sure.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
My thought train is very focused or we can or we can
kick it off like that.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Scott can.
Yeah, it's got.
You can do the intro.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I have a great train of thought.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Why don't you do the intro and introduce?
like a freight train first,first female Episode guest.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
No, i don't know I can't feed him anything.
I want to hear what he's gonnasay.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think she, i think she's introduced herself.
Absolutely not, i'm not, i'mnot good at this.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I can say masters, right, that's what I do.
I have okay.
Oh, so I have to.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I know it's it mean you could, but it's, it's a
graduate certificate, it'scalled.
I do have a masters in teachingliteracy.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay so oh Well, that plays into your role in the
Research.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Oh yeah, i know, no, not really the teaching literacy
part, like I teach kids how toread, like that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
and then the Scott I can read it's not, it's not the
reading, it's the, it's thereading.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
and then Talking, talking out It's, it's the
talking, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It's the visual to mouth thing that I like.
If I'm just reading It's, i canread real quick, but you know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
All right, it's the expressive language.
I can cover it if you want.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's gonna wing it, cuz my brain is so big that it
it can't really.
If this doesn't work, the sameas other people's brains, You
know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's why I started doing at the ENF.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I just keep hitting it until like.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You could just make a little clip of me talking about
how big my brain is.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Wait, I can't see the chat.
Should I be able to?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Nobody's in it.
It might be nice, but it couldbe distracting.
There's 12 people watching,nobody's active.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Nobody's active in the chat, it's always just.
You'd pull Yeah.
I do know rebel comm slash faraim on your phone and then see
it there, i'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, my notes on my phone, the printer, the ink.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I have to change it.
I'm all jammed up.
Get distracted.
Just focus on us.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You'll be in the game than we are All right.
We knew that that was gonnahappen, regardless of the
situation, though, but
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