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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
and now my freight of thunderstorms those are scary.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Why you're afraid of thunderstorms?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I just am sorry.
I was on Peely and I had nocell phone service, so I had
fourth light up and I'm tryingto get back to Portland from
Peely, which is only 20 miles,like southwest, southwest and
right through the center of theLake Erie Islands, about 20
miles well, yeah, really it is.
I mean you're splitting Putt andBay and Kelly's Island almost

(00:35):
exactly, if you go right, oncourse.
But there's just a bunch ofweather coming through and
weather out of the south justtracking right over top of
Portland, like right on theflight line, and I have.
I text Jeff because I saw himon fray.
I'm like hey, you flying today.
He's like no, I'm off, but he'slike he's because I can't
populate a radar image.
I can just look at the cloudsand the Griffin flying service

(00:58):
isn't flying.
I'm like okay, and they haveweather they can watch usually
not a good sign.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Usually not a good sign exactly.
I'm like you guys aren't flyingright.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
So, like I'm, it's there's, just I don't have
enough information.
They're not flying, so it mustbe bad.
I can populate an image with nomovement.
So I text him because I saw himon Friday when he just showed
up and so I thought he may beflying, but he wasn't.
But he sent me a screenshot ofwhat the radar looked like, with
, no, no movement, of course,but it was just.

(01:30):
It was better than what I hadand it's just when you, it's
just when you get out of it andyou don't have a capable
airplane, like you're, justmight.
I'm putting my family in thisthing.
I don't have the capabilitiesI'm used to having.
You just think about thingsdifferent.
And so we went back to thehouse and came back, and went
back to the house and came backand it was.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was a goat rope for sure this is the flight back
after you had the fuel switchthing well, it was a couple
flights after that actually.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
But yeah, right, right, yeah, I mean, it's just
the GA stuff, man, it's justlike I'm just, I'm out of, I'm
not on my game anymore.
I've gotten lazy.
My skills of atrophied my, Imean, I have a different set of
skills that are maybe a littlebit more, you know, bolstered
than they were well, by a lot,but then I have other skills

(02:22):
that are just totally worthlessso that's right, your power
failure on takeoff clip.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's doing fairly well on YouTube after I posted a
couple days ago well, I wasgoing to seem to be very
receptive to it and interestedin it.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I wish I knew what I said, but yeah, it was, it was.
It was an interesting momentyeah.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I thought it was a fantastic glory fantastic
learning experience.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I don't remember.
It's probably drinking justlike I am now, and I won't
remember this either okay then.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Um, yeah, that I can wrap that up for some sort of
episode.
I'm just going to go in thechit chat.
Yeah, I can break that up intotwo, I think oh, okay, sure yeah
okay, roll with it.
Um go arounds are illegal.
Uh, talking about a lot, a lotof Catalina talk is that yeah,

(03:15):
live in a wine mixers or someonehad live atc.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's a another good one to live atc is a good one.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
When I was flying the airlines and I saw it a Chicago
, uh, chicago hair trip on myschedule, I listen live atc to
see what people were doing.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So that's what another thing is um, depending
how deep you get into yoursimulator.
So, on my sim I had that I wantto say was that sim at the time
where I was working with mywork on my double cfi, so on,
that's on.
Uh, that's in.
What they would do is there waspeople that were pretending
they were atc or I don't want tosay pretending, but that's what

(03:54):
they wanted to do.
So some people on the on thesims, if you were online, wanted
to fly a plane or whatever, andso it was very easy if you
wanted to get New York and therewas someone who would act like
they were New York center, theywere um, gfk or something like
that, and they would give youlike headings or whatever, and
it's like you were actuallytalking to an atc person.
I love that they off duty atc.

(04:15):
They could have been, could havebeen, could have been any.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I doubt it.
I know what atc controllers.
Like man, I'm off work?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
yeah, but what?
What off duty pilot is doingthat I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'm gonna walk this one.
No, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm gonna walk into what?
Anyway, I'm gonna fire upflight sim and I'm gonna do my
job for free on my days off soanyway.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I don't know um maybe were they good they were good,
but I ended up with a Toledo guy, the guy that was working
Toledo tower, and that's where Ihad to fly into for my double
CFI hold on.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
He was a Toledo tower controller.
No, he was acting like he wasoh, first.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
So when you get online it would show okay, and
this, this tower is open orwhatever.
And this person was acting likeyou very rarely got like
Cleveland Center or or uh,hopkins, but for some reason
this day there was a guy actinglike he was Toledo approach and
so I was able to work with thisguy.
So, I mean, that's that's alittle bit more than like we're
talking least communication orlive atc or whatever.

(05:12):
But so, yeah, there's stuff onthere that you could do too.
But yeah, there was one I plainEnglish was another one that
you could do and it would giveyou like um, a call and you
would call back and if you gotit correct, it would move you on
to the next, the next thing itwas an app on the phone yeah,
plain English.
I'll have to download it theword like plain as an airplane,
not just you know, oh, I get ityeah.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I see what you did there yeah okay, that's good I
appreciate a good marketingthing you know a lot of atc's
pilots like do they have private?
Pilots.
What do you think thepercentage is actually?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
there's I think there's a big percentage but
what's a big percentage is that30 percent it's probably most
are not pilots.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I would say 30 percent but there is a chunk
that are oh yeah, there's somethere.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, die hard yeah, we only had something like
Google or something.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I wonder if that would have it do it up, all
right, your droid is alreadylike ready to go oh there we go,
iphone guy yeah absolutely letme tilt the mics up so you guys
can stand.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I don't know, I don't know what to do.
You know the episode.
We were pretty relaxed now, soit's like this is just the after
chat.
I'm gonna read some chats check, check, check oh, we got so.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, yeah, is the episode over.
Yeah, oh, okay, good, cut itokay it's probably fine there's
so many things, guys, it's sohard to follow.
I know it's not moving much foryou, but like for me, I'm like
I can't even track conversationwe have going in here, let alone
what's going on, yeah, yeah,okay, runway is a gradient, we
were there um, I did look atthat.

(06:52):
So, as that airport he's talkingabout was like 340 feet at one
end, follow this 340 feet MSL atone end in like 110 feet at the
other end.
There's a 200 foot gradientfrom one end to the other.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Nice that, burnsville , you're talking about yeah
there's like a citation mustangin the twitter video that was
taken off from it well, it cantotally do it.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I was at an airport.
It was significant, it would.
Um.
So I found out, even with thetailwind up to a certain amount,
we it was almost up to like 15knots.
It was always beneficial for us.
It was such a gradient for us.
We always need to just take,take off one runway.
I would just it was in Virginia, somewhere, I can't even
remember but um, it was crazy.

(07:35):
Like when I came in there toland and we landed uphill, it
was like crazy, I'm like we needto take off that way.
There's no way when.
And then I ran the numbers withup to more wind than what it
was actually forecasted, but Iwanted to see what the threshold
was before it said, okay, it'sbetter for you to take off
uphill than downhill.
And it was like 15 or 17 knotsor something like that.

(07:57):
Huh, it's crazy.
It was such a gradient andthat's similar to what you're
talking.
Now, that was a short runway.
This is a decently long runwaybut I saw they were going.
The jet was taking off downdownhill so I guess the point
I'm trying to make is typically,if you have a gradient like
that, it is better to take offdownhill.
Look at the numbers at the timetemperature, all those good
things, but in a jet.

(08:18):
But um, if you have a gradientsignificant, definitely think
about, don't just think aboutheadwind, which is typically
what we do with it with most ofyour boards we're going to.
Headwind is huge because we cantake off only with a maximum,
like in the airplane I fly.
It's a maximum of ten knotstailwind.
That's a limitation becausethey did, they didn't test the

(08:40):
airplane beyond that.
It's not that I can't do it,they didn't test the airplane
beyond that.
And this I do it.
It can absolutely do it.
And, of course, if the runwayis a Huge gradient like it,
doesn't make sense to go uphillwith only a two-knot headwind.
It's just, it's just um, but um, run the numbers is the bottom

(09:01):
line.
Think about gradient, not justheadwind.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
So if you want to be a vatsim controller, there's
five levels.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Serious stuff there.
What's level one?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
level one is tower training, the first rating,
which allows you to get startedon Some aerodrome position.
So vatsim must be out of likeEurope.
Then you get all the way at thesenior controller a C3.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Wow, yeah, what are the, what are?
Some little space stuff betweenwe should get Scott to like try
to do.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Some.
What's the point?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
This is what is this allow you to play Air traffic
controller on a what is itsimulator.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, that's them.
So I think how do you getvetted, Like how does that?
They got people Okay you get aglobal rate.
It's a global rating.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
This is a thing.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I never knew this was a thing.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay, but but a turbo Buick.
He's saying I should make ATCpeople have like five hours and
a GA plane.
I think that'd be helpful.
I would feel like it'd behelpful if every pilot did like
a tower tour and like Watch themfor a little bit that goes both
ways?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
I believe that's calledoperation rain check.
I think you can look that up inthe aim.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, oh, you talk about Getting on the tower.
Yep, yeah, but that's so hardto get on there a lot they those
spots fill up like Soon as theypost it.
So it's where they take youinto, like Cleveland Center, and
you get to see the innerworkings.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, it seems like it's super easy to me.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
No, it's called rain.
I used to be, I mean.
I remember trying to sign upone time for it, it was.
It was almost impossible.
Like every time it would postit would be filled up like the
matter of minutes.
Maybe now it's not that big ofa deal.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I don't know, maybe there's different ways to like
go for a tower tour or somethinglike that.
Yeah, I maybe.
Operational rain check is maybenot the best.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, rain check for anybody that yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Exit?
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I was in banter toe training.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I think if you just said my name's griffing, the
whole class opens all kinds ofdoors for you in the world.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
The whole crew class thing what do you want to call
it went out drinking the nightbefore, so we're like a bit
hungover the next day.
So we didn't fly.
Safety first.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
We eight hours by a lot of the problem and we
applaud you for that.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
We got a bunch of donuts and we took them up.
We just kind of just drove tothe tower, just Knocked on the
door.
We have donuts and let us up.
We just kind of hung out thetower.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I Love it.
I love everything about it.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
There's your answer.
I just donuts.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, operation rain check more like operations.
But it's the interface for us tounderstand.
Jeff's point is perfect.
Yeah, for us to understandtheir side of things and for
them to understand our side ofthings Could not be.
I mean I think it's great.
All the controllers, all thecontrols that I know personally.

(12:10):
None of them have privatepositive tickets.
I know different Universitiesthat do the air traffic control
courses.
It can help.
It shaves a lot of credits offif you do them, I mean so I mean
that's super cool.
If you have your private orhave a recreational pilot
certificate can't have a lightsport at least last I knew but

(12:31):
any of the Certified pilots,recreational being the base
level, it shaves a lot of peoplehave that.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So when I was partnered in a 180, one of the
partners was.
He worked for center in.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Cleveland yeah, he was a pilot.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I Know it exists, I don't.
I don't think it's 50% though.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I don't think maybe as high as I thought it
was Well, I mean.
I know at one time I thoughtyou had to be a pilot to be ATC
and then I think they droppedthat requirement.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Oh, I'm gonna look yeah, go, go look it up.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Look it up.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I don't, I don't know that that was ever a
requirement.
I know it helps for collegecourses.
It counts as a bunch of yourcredits.
So I think those incoming youknow Whatever college kids,
college students they'rethinking okay, I can get my
pilot certificate and then italso shaves off for my ATC,
which we're probably gonna makemore money and have a Pension

(13:27):
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, let's offer that for scuba diving to some
colleges in Florida will accepta Patty certificate is like a
college credit.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
So if I came to you and said my goal was to be a
crop duster, uh-huh, would yourfirst lesson be different?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh See, when we say want to be a professional pilot,
we're always thinking, oh,airlines or corporate or
something.
What if somebody's like I?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Treated the same.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I want to go as professional or fun.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
It went, I would a professional I am, so for the
private pilot certificate, Iwould treat it differently now,
just as I've progressed myself.
But I would treat it very muchso stick-and-rutter oriented,
where I'm not so much like allthe finite things of Regulations
and airspace, I'd be more likejust nuts and bolts.

(14:20):
Fly this airplane.
I will teach you Barely whatyou need to know to pass the
check ride, to pass the oral,which I mean in, in, if the
student is Able to digest and wehave the, the, the, the

(14:43):
bandwidth, if you will to putstuff in there, fine.
But like you have to read theperson not saying you're not.
It's very, very general.
Put in 10 pounds of shit in a5-pound bag.
Like you have to look at at theaudience what they when, at

(15:05):
what point did they becomedespondent in a given lesson?
You know what I mean and it'slike I Gotta try and feed this
in at some point.
You know I gotta cover theseregs for you to pass this check
ride so you can have a competentconversation when you take your
check ride.
That, that, uh, that becomes.

(15:29):
That becomes difficult and itbecomes sometimes for people who
want to seek Something likethat, I just want to crop dust,
I just want to banter toe, or Ijust want to fly the islands.
That's what that was, jeff, andI'm not saying that, but
Obviously you have a differenttactic and you're gonna teach
him the bare minimum forairspace now.

(15:50):
He went on and got his CFI, gothis double-eye.
He didn't just he could havestopped it as commercial, but he
didn't.
He went beyond that.
So, like I know, he gained somefrom that airspace wise and you
know he got a little airspacewith on his instrument.
But yeah, I would focus verymuch so Manhandle this airplane,

(16:12):
get it to do what you want itto do.
Stick and rudder, tailwheelstuff, seaplane stuff all that
stuff will help get that, getyou in tune with the airplane,
be part of like Wear it insteadof, you know, fly in it type
thing.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I Don't got those crop dusting on pilot groundcom.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, he's always posting talking about, yeah,
cool stuff, yeah and yeah.
And I don't know that if I hada somebody, if I had somebody
who wanted to be airline pilotversus crop duster, initially I
don't think I'd make that muchdistinction.
I, if I'm gonna go put myfamily in the back of an
airliner with you flying, I wantyou to have the same stick and

(16:54):
nerdy skills as somebody who'scrop dusting.
That's why I would look at it.
Maybe it does, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Stick and rudder stick around.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That's the shit that saves lives.
That's the shit that saveslives.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
What's his name laying on the Hudson?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well, that's saving lives here.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's not knowing F A R's that's not knowing shit.
That's understanding energymanagement and sticking rudder
skills.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
That's it I, In my opinion you have that engine
failure 100 feet off the ground.
F A?
R Don't matter at that point.
No, yeah, that sticking rudderskill.
Yeah bank that airplane over onJoint Cross runway?
Yeah, you said you would haveland whatever happened.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Whatever you need to do, do go as drastic as you need
to and and preserve the energyso that, when you get down to
basically getting close tohitting the ground, you can at
least arrest the descent and notkill everybody.
Obviously, there's somescenarios where that isn't
possible at all, but the bestchance, I think, is putting that

(18:04):
sticking rudder skill from dayone.
Oh yeah power off 180s, becomfortable.
Crank in that over 60 degreesof bank at 30 feet.
I think that those areimportant things.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
There's that classic book sticking rudder.
You've always been a fan of Ihave not read it yet.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Oh man, You're not borrowing mine.
It's a 1947 copy.
It's in a ziplock bag in myfireproof safe.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Please got an insurance policy on it.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's not my homeowners.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Not for real.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, it's a 1947 copy.
It's original edition of stickand rudder by Wolfgang language.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I want to try to buy an original now nerd alert, do
it up.
Let's see if I can Stick in arudder man went to oh, look here
on Google, on Amazon it's fordollar 37.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
autograph doesn't copy First first farm agent
first look at that email.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's like oh, oh yeah .

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So, but here's the thing, though it's in the on the
inside written given to my dad.
Okay so it's like somebody gotit from.
My dad was born in 46.
Gotcha so I don't know whenthey gave it to him per se, but
in my mind it's like right thenhe was a toddler.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
He was born, they gave it to him.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I think that's yeah, I was in his nursery with him.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So like is that the Griffith family Bible basically
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I should show you when you're just over the
other day it was rightunderneath those.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Logbooks.
You're not that good of afriend.
That's why I didn't show you.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I got the only classic lot family log books.
The other day I was like oh mygosh.
You know I was afraid to touchthem.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know what?
As a owner and designer, thenumber one escape room in the
Erie County, I could design likea hidden room for you that you
could hide that booklet sosomeone doesn't break in there
and take it would be a fireproof.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It'd be fireproof.
How many guns would it hold?
Make?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
it as big as you want my movie theater you gotta.
You got to turn a coat hook tounlock the the door.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Let's see now.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Everybody knows, I don't know where I live okay,
all right Brunk horse saying airback flights sure are fun and
explore going past the limits ofan aircraft beyond just a basic
spin.
You guys ever done air back I.
It's not my to-do list, I neverhave.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I've never done it, but I have.
I've been in a Stearman thatthe guy did some stuff, so Some
rolls and whatever.
It was pretty cool I.
Yeah, I've always wanted extra300, you know who you need for
that kind of stuff in hereJeremy, jeremy, Colvin.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
He's a legend legend, I'm sure this is some dude.
We know, or we know, we knowokay, it's got his own airstrip,
oh.
I Always like guys that owntheir own airstrips.
Yeah they're usually fairlyinteresting people 1944, copy
$46.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay but to me it's.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't have the memo , though it's priceless.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
I think it comes in audio book too.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's what they said not.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Not the same, not the same guys.
I want to read it.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I want to read it, cuz you've talked about her
before we even had the show.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's an amazing book.
It's an amazing book everybodythe audio version.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Wolfgang himself reads it to you.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, he doesn't, yes, he does what?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yes, that is cool I don't even know yeah how do you
know?
That I don't just make it up.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
So excited.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I didn't know, recorded on an album.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Absolutely yeah right , oh exactly, why am I doing
your work on your graph?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
On a ribbon microphone.
Exactly, it's on my.
It's how much to read list Ishould.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I should move it up my pile of store has them for
2295.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I always just assumed , since you were so into the
book and I like fairly decent atwriting and marketing, we could
.
We could just redo like a Likeour generation's version of that
book.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
It'd be more like a leaflet or or what about an
episode of lee reading, reading,reading a chapter?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I would do that for you.
Let's have scott reading achapter.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Oh, that would take 30 hours we got a.
I'm in the process.
I got to figure out whichreviews five star reviews we
haven't read yet.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Look, we can get James Earl, james Earl Jones
yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Oh, if you want sleeping material, oh.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
No, james Earl.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Jones, the voices of Darth Vader.
Oh yeah, okay you know well,Scott would have been some.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, we gotta get Scott to do some.
We got to find a book Aviationbook in the public domain and
have scott read it, release itas a free audiobook.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, not free.
I think people would pay tohear it.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's torture like a pay-per-view we
could get, yeah, maybe pay foran editor.
So could I have release anepisode in three weeks because I
had no time to edit.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
No, vader doesn't put me to sleep.
I'm just saying Darth Vader,doesn't James Earl Jones put you
to sleep?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Darth Vader doesn't put me to sleep, but James Earl
Jones, I think, would they'reactually one of the same.
I know they are that's I saidthen you're saying that Vader's
putting to sleep.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, he's do.
I gotta do everything over herefor you specific way when he's
Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Darth Vader.
I know who Darth Vader is.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, well, I didn't know that.
Isn't he like um?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I thought it was like an intern talking into a coffee
pot or something that did thevoice.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, you could use.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
AI for anyone's voice .

Speaker 4 (24:01):
I can't somebody describe this to me.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't know what this.
I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Nope, exactly.
So because you're not here,this is all AI.
I'm with on Darth Vader.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I've never seen anything you've never seen the
movies.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I've never seen the movies.
Hold on, no, no, no, that's inclose.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I've never seen.
Oh, that's you.
Oh okay, he's talking about you.
Yeah, he's seen them.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
He has to have.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I have no desire to even watch them though deep fake
.
Scott's voice has been recordedenough.
With the podcast, you couldprobably train AI on Scott's
voice.
Scott claims AI took over hispilotgroundcom account and was
pretending to be Dr Physics formonths.
Yes, it's very possible.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
It wanted all the glory for itself.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I thought Scott was just being a jackass.
Well, he probably was.
He claims AI had hacked hisaccount and was running stuff on
his account as AI under thename Dr Physics.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I heard the Russians were targeting pilotground.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
They're like you know what.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
We're done with the election.
Hell it's pilotgrounds are next.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yep that seems reasonable.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I see the servers.
It's rough.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
A lot of Slavic alphabet coming through on those
requests Seriously Danovich.
Yeah, oh, we got an insider.
We got an insider.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Okay, anything, aviation, I guess, maybe at all.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So hard to keep up on pilot with all the nonstop
traffic.
Pilotgrounds have been sleepy.
We want to get.
Yeah, I've been redoing it,I've been deleting half of the
spaces and Simplifying.
Trying to simplify.
I got to go through fromsomeone who's never signed up.
They come to the site and dothat workflow.
It's all screwed up.

(25:55):
I haven't touched it since,like 2022.
We launched it.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
My problem is, I'm not a social media person.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's not like social media.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well, you know it's something that attaches me to a
cell phone which I don't like.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
You know what I mean.
It's down on the circle, Ihappen.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like a glue to a different screen.
So, that would be.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, well, yeah, it's messaging with friends on
pilot ground.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And I get that and I want to be helpful to people.
We had people in here like I'mgoing to take my check ride and
whatever, and I want to be apart of that.
I want to, if it helps andwhatever, and tell me how the
check ride goes.
I am invested in that.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
But you guys have a legit question.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
What's up?
Who said what I can't find?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
you, I'm Andreas, you guys, oh, I've not had a chance
to fly in Southern Floridaworking on it.
Whether wise, it's prettydifferent Top suggestions, like
through Florida, compared to theNortheast.
I don't know where, andreas, hesaid earlier Miami.
Well, he moved to Miami.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, he moved there, but he said from Chirac, which
I assume was Chicago oh yeah,chirac.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Got to wear a Kim wire when you go to the store.
Scott Boris was just there, hesurvived he survived, he
survived.
He did not.
I was talking to him about ityesterday.
He was not pleased with Chirac.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, summer thunderstorms.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Summer thunderstorms Probably going to be one during
the day.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't even know if I would say summer, I would just
say afternoon thunderstorms,almost period, yeah, no winters
are Less.
Well, I mean pretty, but threequarters of the year is
thunderstorms in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay, what did you say I'm just thinking Southeast
Florida.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I'm just the only area I'm super familiar with the
weather, you probably.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
He's talking about Miami, so that's fine yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
You probably experienced the whole length of
Florida.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Where I don't experience the full length.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I know, but so you would not say I just know the
tip, just the tip.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
So how would you say?
The weather pattern is thenMonth to month.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's windy and not much weather, but what about
spring, fall and summerThunderstorms?
Yeah, that's what I'm sayingAlmost daily.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, three quarters of the year is thunderstorms in
the afternoon in Southeast SouthFlorida.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I'm with you.
Yeah, winner is good.
Yeah, tons of flight training.
Tons of flight training.
Be, on flight following, unlessyou're staying in the pattern
for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do not yet be very careful, be very vigilant flying
around there is an idiot aroundevery corner in the sky.
Yes, in Florida.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
There's a lot of language barriers.
Yes, atc, not being sure ofwhat a student is requesting.
Atc being so busy, they cannotgive you flight following or
they're not giving you the samecapability of flight following
that you're used to.
Maybe up in the north,northeast, midwest yeah, weather

(29:11):
for sure, which, of course,you'll look at before you take
off.
Once you get in flight, trafficI think is going to be your
biggest consideration.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, watch out for weather.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Everybody's going north-south, everybody's going
north-south.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Unless you're running over the Bahamas.
Just a Bahama guide in Miamitoo.
There's instructors in thesoutheast coast of Florida there
that just they'll do Bahamascheckouts.
The lesson will just be showingyou how to safely go over the
Bahamas, go through customs andall that that's.

(29:44):
In my opinion, some of thecoolest flying you can do out of
southeast Florida is leaveFlorida and go to some places.
Looks beautiful from the air.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Take your milk chucks .

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Take your milk chucks , preferably Coast Guard
approved life jackets.
Now that Scott's here, we cansay that yeah that's true.
Yeah, us Coast Guard approvedlife jackets.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I've been researching I know you have I've been
researching life jackets, liferafts.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
How is the life raft research going?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean it's going well.
I mean, my pilot store is whereI've seen a lot of the.
I'm doing a very generic search, but I would not say call them
affordable.
No, I mean.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I'm not a big fan of the scheme of things.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
You know, you're talking several thousand dollars
.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Several thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, you probably have a life fix expectancy on
them, don't they?
What do you mean?
Like they're only good for somany years?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, and then they need to be re-certified or
tested and I haven't bought oneto get all the literature.
I'm not even close to buyingone, but like I know ours, like
commercially, like they have aTSO, which is Dance for
Technical Service Order.
They're all approved by the FAA.
They have intervals, inspectionintervals and replacement

(30:57):
intervals and whatever.
I haven't gotten that far, butthey're like two to three
thousand dollars and you can goas in-depth as you want.
You know, before a Cirrus, forexample, you get a four-place,
you got Seems to have all thebells and whistles, all the
ballast things you know to makeit stable in the ocean.

(31:17):
Or, and I treat Lake Eriealmost from a and we've talked
about this before just from theChop and all the stuff almost
ocean-like in terms of what itcan turn up to quickly.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
The one then I'm kind of looking at and I'm looking
at a primary for price.
It's four person, it's liketwenty five hundred bucks.
My, I think it's my pilotstores or I'm looking at it.
Haven't pulled the trigger.
But and then lifejackets a Bigfan of the Mustang survival
Basically you wear them all thetime and then they're just like
ready, you're on and just pullthe thing so we had a lifejacket

(31:54):
.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Inflatable.
So we well, the Mustangs?
No, they're not inflatable, Imean so definitely Mustang that
are inflatable.
Okay and I take it back.
There might be some that areinflatable there a hundred
percent are no.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, huh.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I'm not a hundred percent of them.
Oh yeah, oh okay, I was gonnasay cuz we use, some of them are
mustangs.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
We used to use Mustang suits on the fire
department all the time and theyweren't inflatable, but you
could.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Fights on the show you get.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
You could.
They were nice.
Like I said, you would justwear those and yeah it's a what
it's a like a survival suit thatyou float in.
It also keeps you warm.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Okay yeah, big suits, they call them in the yachting
or go well, yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
So gumby suits were the like the original ones.
Gumby suits were a little bitdifferent.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
They were they still have these well, they still have
they were course for all thepool and Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
They were mostly.
They were like gumby, where theMustang is more workable, like
you could walk around in aMustang suit and do other stuff
where the original gumby suitswhich we used to have those too
prior to that.
You look like gumby thecharacter.
Yeah and it was hard to doanything with in those, in those
things.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
But yeah, off a high diving board, yeah, a pool, and
all you do is just you just landthe water and your arms just
like Out.
But if you use the nose.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
If you use the nose during, like a Winter, during
the summertime, then actuallyactually you can float other
people with you with the Mustang.
You know I'm saying so It'll,it'll hold you up in.
The Mustang suit will also holdyou and someone else.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I can't like wear a suit like I need it, like
a ready I get in the water.
I don't want it toautomatically inflate.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
That's like something I don't want well, what I'm
trying to tell you is there areMustang suits that you don't
need to inflate where youalready.
You'll be floatable in those.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
But I gotta have it on yeah.
Well, I got a kill from 3,000feet and I'm descending to 800
feet a minute and I got to getthis thing on no, you just wear
it, I'm not, and this is justhoping you get out of the
airplane Right.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, well, that's open.
I'm like your doors, open doors.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's why you fly Cessna's.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
They got two doors smaller doors that are hard to
get out of, in my opinion.
I Just want a get.
Let me get in the water andthen I'll just pull the thing
and inflate the vests.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I don't have any fitment issues.
I have no automatic inflate.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm completely in control and you just do summer
flights to the cottage.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, so now the water is cold on Memorial Day
typically, when we open, we goget in the water at the beach.
So I won't, I just ditch in thewater, that doesn't yes.
Temperature wise, no problem.
We might go hyper thermic anddie after a little bit.
At least we'll survive theinitial five to ten minutes,

(34:44):
hopefully so till somebody come,gets you yeah the rest.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
that's why I want the raft.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's why I want the raft okay.
It's like 18 pounds.
You get out of the water.
Cheap insurance policy.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You're still wet and cold, but you're still wet and
you're doing better than in thewater.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes, by a lot by a lot.
Yeah, I think that probablybuys us probably 50% more time.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I would think at least.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
So I won't.
I won't this year.
I at least want to do lifejackets, life preservers, but I
think I'm actually gonna leantowards the airline style in the
pouch.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, tyler just says , just don't fly shitty planes.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That sounds easy.
That sounds easy, but we're nottalking.
We're only going 20 miles andthe period of time yes, we could
totally do that.
We could totally do what you'resaying, yeah, but the route you
take.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I mean you, I've seen you, you fly and it's a great
route.
You take Peely.
I'll go back to Portland.
You're taking Peely over MiddleIsland, over Kelly's over, uh.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That was the last time, because the weather again
altitude the whole time too youlike to get I mean you're within
, you're within, you're withinglad and distance of everything.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But when you're doing it with your family and board,
it doesn't feel like it.
I remember those days.
I remember those days, but whenI got my kids in the back, they
can't swim worth the shit.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
What do you at 2,500 feet?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
AGL okay.
I like 3,000 to 3,500 MSL.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So do you think you could glide within light, in
distance of everything you're at?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
nope, and I'm why am I gonna take that chance?
3,500, I feel pretty okay, butwhen I got a 30 knot headwind,
like I did the other day, I wentup to Peely at 152 knots ground
speed.
So if I turn that around I'mdoing like 70 knots ground speed
coming back, which I had to doexcited, double triptych size,
taking my in-laws.

(36:51):
When you're doing that andyou're just like watching the
same thing for minutes at a time, it's like I can't go to shit.
So turn around, know where?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
you're at turn around now.
You get that.
Hundred fifty two leave me.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I know I get that, but how much did I lose in that
turn which I've baked into thecake when I picked the altitude
I was flying at to begin with.
So if I went at 3,500 feet, soI normally go to Peely at 33,000
.
I normally go back at 3,500 andthat extra 500 I've lost doing
that turn.
Gotcha, it's, it's not enough.

(37:24):
And what do I do?
It gets me to shore.
I'm still landing in the water.
I still got to figure out.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
So if you get you to shore any land in the water,
you're gonna take your littlelifejack or life raft out.
You're gonna open it to getthat two feet to shore.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, if you're that, close to yeah, it just depends
life raft, not a big, not a hugeconcern.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Life jackets.
I think like jackets are a hugeyeah.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I'm hoping that my wife can get hers on, get my
kids on in that period of time.
So if I'm after thousand feetand I descended about 800 feet
per minute, power off at idle atbest glide speed, what's that
give me?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
so my suggestion to you then would be this practice,
that drill with your familythat they have to put that on.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, except you rip it and then you got to inspect
it.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Well, True, but I mean I'm sure you could find one
, that's you know.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm saying you can find I could find something that
will be a placeholder There'dbe a placeholder there's just to
get through that.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
so they get that muscle like fine, get that
muscle memory like okay, this iswhat's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Hold your son.
Have you forgotten how hardkids are?
Five and three.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
He's like 30.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Can you imagine going through this drill like?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
yeah, but go listen my happy meal no women.
Would you rather go throughthat drill now or when it's an
emergency?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
get through the drill .
I have to hope that my wife canjust get it on like there's
just no but okay, have her dothe drill.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Absolutely okay, yeah , I'm just asking.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, she's gonna be in control.
She's gonna manhandle them.
It's not about fun, she's gonnabe rough.
She's gonna get the lifejacketon them.
Get them safe and push them out, pull the thing.
Well, actually, those onesautomatically in place, that's
fine.
Yeah, but get them out beforeit inflates so they don't have
any rips or anything like that,or minimal rips.
Hopefully.
It sucks to think about.

(39:11):
It sucks to think about.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
No, I got a buddy just Bought a brand-new,
overpriced boat.
We're gonna go run it out to aWalker's K at some point this
fall.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
The.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Allen family is building it out in the Bahamas.
We're gonna check it out, getsome fuel and go fishing.
I want to Inreach mini the inreach me to, just on my person,
just because 36 foot Jupitercenter console Crossing over the
Bahamas.
It's like it's a brand-new boat, triple engines.

(39:43):
I'm sure everything will befine.
It's like I Just feel waybetter with that clip to me.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm I'm hugely in fan of those even though it's
overkill, that's not gonna helpmy situation, that situation,
any type of remotely remoteOperations, just peace of mind,
yeah.
And now can you text with thatone yeah, yeah, see, I'd hand.
But the boat.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, the boats loaded up with the garments and
everything and the e-perbs andEverything you can imagine.
But it's like what if I gooverboard, it's like I'm not
even wearing a lifejacket oranything, but I mean I can tread
water, hit that thing if.
First, because peopleunderestimate If you go
overboard, offshore, peopleunderestimate how difficult it

(40:27):
is to actually find that person.
Oh yeah if you're running, like,oh, we'll just stop and turn
around and get the person.
It's like, maybe if you didn'thit that man overboard on the
GPS, like immediately when ithappened, if you didn't throw
off a bunch of float floatationdevices and cushions and
anything that could float to tryto make a trail in that area,

(40:47):
it's extraordinarily difficultto actually track back and get
somebody that fell off whenyou're running.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, sure it's you in waves, right.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you have like topography.
Yeah, you have to see thisconstantly Throwing off what
you're searching for.
Yeah, it's not a good point.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's not just a guaranteed oh.
We just Throw the, go to idle,turn around and you know, go
pick the person up.
It's like.
Hopefully you can do that, butchances are you may not be able
to.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, well, we flew to Alaska and Cherokee 180 from
Lorraine we took.
We took a bunch of survivalstuff, but we also rented like a
Jeep I don't know was like asatellite Communicator,
something like that that youcould rent per week or whatever.
That would give you a locationif something went wrong.
So we had that.
I think we had a.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
What was that like?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
2015 in reach or spot of the two companies.
Yeah, I think it was in thegarment the in reach of the
garment each yeah, and thenthere's iridium spot Maybe or
maybe a spot it wanted.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Both those sound from them.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
They're looking both up.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, so we rented that for like the two that for
two weeks or whatever.
So that was in 2016 yeah 2016.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Okay, yeah, so All right, yeah, between 406
megahertz ELT's.
And then, you know, having anadditional and honestly, let's
face it, a garment in reach orsomething like on the maybe non
FAA certified side, might giveyou better returns than just the
406 megahertz ELT, might.

(42:20):
You know, it's got to work allthe time, but is it the most
precise Thing?
I don't know.
Yeah, I'm a, I'm a big fan inthat.
That's not gonna help me awhole lot for, like the route
that I'm doing, you know, I justhave to hope for, you know,
landing close to a boat and allthat type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But you can find windy days and if it's slop out,
there's not many boats outthere and like the sum I think
about, that's the raft.
The cold or the cold, or well,yeah, the world that we guys
blowing out the boats aren'tgoing out exactly, yeah, half of
them aren't even in.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, yeah, so, or more so, yeah, and but I mean
that's, that's a big expense.
How do you put a price on?
But you do where you have nolife jackets now.
Yeah, I've been doing it fortwo years like this.
You know doing.
You know six to eight trips asummer.
Kids can't really swim.
They've done swim classes butcan't they can't really swim.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Completely different lake completely different lake.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, with conditions and whatever, and, and that's
why 3500 feet bring him, bringhim out here so that's that's.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I mean that's the first thing you get going for.
You get that Altitude.
I mean, think about people thatfly over less than that.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I know, I do think about that.
I think about all the times,the countless times that I flew
at 1500 feet agl and you're likeborderline and like now it's
like 3500 agl feels low, youknow, when you got your family
on board.
I mean, it's just game changing.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
People underestimate the great lakes.
I remember Tyler's in the chathere.
He's In studio here.
I remember him mentioning likeI didn't expect this is just.
You don't see anything out thelake here.
It's like as open as an oceanis it is.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I mean, it functions like that too.
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
All right, we we answered all the chat things.
I'm ready to?
I'm sure not, but I Happilycross over into control their
space, with flight following,and not only for somewhere to
land, but added comms.
Cold water terrifies me.
Yeah, cold water is not Veryunforgiving.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
We didn't we?
I mean like it was a long timeago.
We kind of brought up a chartthat showed like, by tempera
scott pulled it up we're kind ofarguing about hypothermia.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
There's something about that.
Yeah, we're talking about you.
Yeah, how long?
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
And it's kind of surprising, even if you have
seven degree water, there isstill you.
At some point you will stillbecome hypothermic.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Oh yeah you know, it's fantastic You're trying to
do that in south florida in thesummertime.
Yeah, yeah, I know but how longdo I have to lay in here until
I'm not sweating?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Right, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
All right, chat's kind of quietened down down to
20 viewers.
I feel like this is a decentstopping point.
Sure, sure.
Thank you everybody for beingin the chat.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Thanks, Mr Jeff Denevich.
Like you're a flight legend,Thanks for coming.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Thank you, hallie, for filling in, no problem.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yep.
Fourth chair that's what theycall it in the business.
Third chair there's fourthchair.
You know it's a yeah If there'smore questions.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, feel free to email me or whatever on Piley
Ground.
Yeah, we're, we'll just wrapthis up or Jeff Chat's kind of
quiet, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, all right Later .
See you guys, now's the time Igotta try to figure out how to
stop this.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Right there you got it.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
So I guess Stan corrected here I got.
I forgot we had the Gumby.
We had survival suits.
Then we had the Mustang.
So the Mustangs we were on thefire boat in summertime with
life jackets, but in thewintertime we had a survival
suit that we wore.
That was completely different.
It was like a step up from theGumby suit.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
So yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Mustang suits.
I do stand corrected the onesuit.
No, it was a suit, but it's asurvival suit for cold water
Mustangs makes a bunch ofproducts, right, okay.
We had a Mustang suit, we stillhad to wear a life jacket on
yeah.
Yeah, we had the other ones.
I was thinking it's like wait aminute.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
No, I forgot we had the yellow ones.
There's probably nothing thatwe're talking about here.
That is like the same thing.
Yeah, the Mustang.
I mean it's just a very slimline.
You wear it full time and itinflates.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
No, they do make those for around, for dock
workers, people that work arounddocks that they don't want to
wear the bulky.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, no, you're right, you're absolutely right
with that.
But we also had Mustangs whosaid we wore that one oh sure.
Cold weather Totally.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
But so you can move around on the fire boat.
Cold weather, yeah you gettinga beer, oh oh okay.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
She's like I'm not an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, oh yeah.
We go a while when we do these.
Nobody's in life yet, though,so we have nothing.
What's everybody drinking?
I got white claw.
We've got children in thebackground, we've got it all.
We've got Mr Denovich here, andwe have my sister Halle, for

(47:33):
the forum first.
Scott isn't here, and she wasupstairs.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
So, that's the qualifications to get on the
show.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
The new Scott.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yes, which is not kind of doing.
You can be on this show nexttime.
I believe you said.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I believe you said I just drink and ask lead
frustrating questions.
I said basically yeah, that'sScott's job.
You're hired.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
You're hired.
You've written on airplanes alot.
You've written on airplanes alot.
Yeah, qualified to be here.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Perfectly qualified.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Had the mask come down one time.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, because of a pin we were discussing earlier,
more than a lot of people haveseen.
Yeah, you've been through someshit, yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
It was pretty scary situations, yeah it can be
traumatizing.
It is Absolutely, but when youhave a bar on board it's okay.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, it's only traumatizing if you haven't
drank enough.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So the pilots?
I watched a video today becauseI've been watching a bunch of
powered parachute videos.
It was a debate.
He made the argument that, likethe FAA, might not be that
upset if you're drunk flying aslong as you're not a certificate
of pilot and you are in anultralight vehicle.
Was the was the argument.

(48:49):
He wasn't recommending it, buthe was saying that basically,
103 is the entire rules andtechnically there's nothing in
there about drinking.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, but I think the state or the, I think the state
could get you local.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Oh yeah, that's why they've turned it into an OVI.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Operating a vehicle.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Lawnmowers, right Riding bikes, Don't people get.
I mean, it's all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Unicycle.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
One wheel One.
I feel like that should be anexception If you, if you're good
enough to be on a unicycle,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
All right.
You are, you can own the towntonight, man.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, that's, that's what I feel like.
If you can, if you can be on aunicycle, let them.
Let them have their fun.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
The one person in the room who can do it, yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Bobby's dried to school.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, can you?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh, I don't know I wouldn't surprise me if you
could Can you, no, no.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I mean you have a sidecar in your motorcycle.
You seem like the kind of guythat might have unicycle scales
up your sleeve, that is true.
Tyler Bronck Horse says Lee isalive.
I don't know what here.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I am.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yes, Um could be AI, what it could be AI.
Maybe you're not here.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, I'm not, it's getting pretty advanced, the AI
we are.
We're teaming up.
We're waiting for some morepeople to roll in here.
We're doing an episode on likegetting a student from zero to
solo, which I've been somewhatcontemplating down in Florida

(50:21):
offering a flight instruction.
Um, so reach out if you have aplane and you want flight
instruction in South Florida.
I'm considering the possibilityof maybe taking on a handful of
students on the side.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I think a great, I think what would be really good
is if the far aim paid for yoursister go from zero to private
pilot.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
That would be a very with our with our profit margin
at the moment, that'd be a veryslow endeavor.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Just an idea.
I'm in.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You could get like maybe 20 minutes a month, maybe
with our margin, if somebodyhelped us gave us a deal on a
plane like Scott.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
That would be interesting, though you I was
going to teach you at one point.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
You were, you did one lesson, I think.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yes, and I made you read a book and you got upset
and you complained to Lee, Ithink.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Now she's disqualified.
She's got at least an hour.
I do?

Speaker 4 (51:18):
I logged one session in my logbook.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Did we actually?
Where is that logbook?
Did we actually go?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
for it.
It's in my parents house.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
You have it still.
I don't think we got off theground.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
If we were in the airplane, we would have gotten
off the ground.
Yeah, we did then.
Okay, I forgot about that then.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Wait, no, no, no, we didn't.
We made it to the living room.
You had a board, a dry eraseboard and you started doing
stuff, and then you said let'smove to the airport and I kind
of said no.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Okay, that sounds that's ringing a bell now.
Okay, see ya.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
It's tough to teach the people closest to you.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
If that's not a ringing endorsement for my
potential CFI skills.
If you're down in South Floridalooking for lessons, I don't
know what is.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I'm sure you're a great teacher but, you cannot
teach sisters, family members.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
You just can't do that my first lesson was like go
in and introduce myself, meetLee and Lee's like alright,
let's go flying.
There was no dry erase board,it was just in the plane and
let's do it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think the weather was not conducive.
We started in the winter.
So I'm like well, if we want toget started, it's going to be
ground, because you can't takeoff out of A&L to this time of
year.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I think that's one of the hardest things is as an
instructor, you recognize all ofthe groundwork that needs to be
done, but from the studentstandpoint you're like I don't
want to pay for that, I want todo the fun stuff and that's all
I want to do.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, I mean she wasn't paying, though.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, I get that, but from a you want to go?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
in and construct.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
That's one of the biggest things you need.
Like it took me forever tolearn it's still learning.
Like it's a sales position, ohyeah.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
You have to keep coming back.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
It would have been way more interesting if we were
in an airplane.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But see the people closest to you, though it is
such a I think about when I goto teach my kids, they are going
to hate every second of it andI will probably turn them off to
flying all together Because youwant them to be better than I
am better than anybody else, andthat all starts with groundwork
drawn on a dry raceboard.

(53:23):
Get the fundamentals, theconcepts and all the physics and
all of the 30 years that I'llhave by then of flying I want to
get in their head, which is notpossible.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, just think of everything you had to do to
learn all that.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I know, but I want them to do it.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
You can't do that right now.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You can't do that, absolutely.
Yeah, but think of the contentthat's out there now that you
guys didn't have.
We were starting out.
You know you have the YouTubevideos.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
We're making the content.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I know we are now the content, but there was no
content out there.
There was like just the booksto read, stuff like that.
There, you know, maybe sporties, videos.
But now the thing as aninstructor you got to make sure
you go through that stuff, makesure they're not getting bad
advice from someone that's onthere telling them how to do
something.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, put the parental controls on Exactly.
You know so they don't.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
But there is more content out there for them to do
all that stuff.
The dry erase boards arealready on a video somewhere
where someone was already doingit, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Well, and I think that's I mean in general, I
think that knowledge that'scoming at them from all angles.
If they have a question andit's after hours, they're not
texting you anymore.
Maybe they are if they stillnot getting it, but they can go
to YouTube and find all theanswers they want Exactly.
And then you just kind of haveto maybe refine it and make it
applicable to your airplane oryour airspace or whatever it is.
But I think by and large it'sprobably an advantage to us as

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instructors.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I think a lot of stuff.
They come back and you're likeI didn't even.
You know there's some stuffthere Like they're saying you're
like, well, I never thoughtthat way, so you're also getting
, you're also becoming a studentalso by you know they're
talking to you.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, right, yeah, it elevates everybody all of that
knowledge that they can go findand then bring back to the group
, the flight school, thatindividual instructor, I think,
is all good.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Absolutely so.
Andreas is in the chat.
Hey, y'all been a while.
Yeah, I like how we were onRumble and he switched to.
He took his old handle fromRumble or from Twitch, which is
Twitch sucks.
I brought it here.
Good to see you.
Aviation, mike.
Hello.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Mike, what's everybody drinking?
I got a white claw goingInspired I got a chorus.
That's what my sister wasdrinking.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Some ranch water over here, probably the first ranch
water on the show I think so Ithink so I think I just got
playing Coke.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Coke.
We call that a virgin captainin Coke and Carrie Genis.
What's a Genis?
Genis yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Colch I love Colch.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Really.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
One of my favorite beers.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Absolutely Haven't had that.
One Never heard of it.
But Bitburger, Bitburger.
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Oh, I've had that.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
It's, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Mike, I remember when I crashed this bar down in
Florida and they had it and Ijust ordered it because Burger
was in the name and it was good,great.
Yeah, it's the bit.
We should probably try to findit Pilsner-ish, yeah, I tell you
Brunkhorse of Saints, kind ofPilsner-ish.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
It's a German lager, okay.
Yeah, so look we got Colch'sPilsner-ish German lager.
We're all kind of in the same.
It's all Germany, yeah, Germanytype stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
And we got, we got white claws.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
What are you drinking ?
It's Andreas drinking.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I don't know we still got.
No, we drank all of Andreas'sroom.
I think we got some peerless inthere still from Andreas in the
in the fridge behind me.
We'll get to it All right, Ithink we can kick it off.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
The German Bud Light.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It's the German Bud Light.
As long as it's not theAmerican Bud Light, it's all the
matters.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Okay, before we go down that rabbit hole, let's,
you know, let's just kick offthe episode.
Oh, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yes, andreas, yes, very good question.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Good thing, yeah, we're on rumble, so you can't
really do anything to get kickedoff a rumble, which is good.
That's why we're on here.
Try thinking how to kick thisepisode off.
Three, two, one.
We got to kick it off like that, obviously, like that.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
We haven't, we haven't started this is kind of
the.
That's all my content.
I have not been like this, didit already, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Thanks for watching.