June 8, 2023 • 39 mins
Do you have the nerves of steel required to become a successful aviator? Join us as we reveal the secrets of flying, risk perception, and how having the "right stuff" can make all the difference in the world of aviation. We explore the Colesman window, the "big lie" of private pilots, and why American pilots might be at a disadvantage.
We also tackle the controversial topics of aviation safety and detox plans, discussing the risks of flying cross-country with your family and the importance of experience and proficiency behind the controls. From unconventional ideas like men getting pregnant to practical advice on planning your flight, this episode is packed with fascinating insights and lively debates.
Lastly, we dive into the intriguing question of whether an airplane can take off on a conveyor belt. We explore the power-to-weight ratio of airplanes, the thrust and lift needed for take-off, and the effects of the conveyor belt on the forward motion of the plane. Join us as we debate the risks and practicality of this mind-bending idea, and discover the answers to some of the most pressing questions in aviation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, just edit that music and make it actually
goes out.
I don't want to get yelled at.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good call Dan.
Wise man, wise man.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Okay, so you guys already know his idea.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
So many things.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm pissed at everything right now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm just mad at the world.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Except me, except you .
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I said it.
No well, i mean, i might weardark clothes tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
What's not a joke about things like that right now
The climate is not the best forthose sorts of things.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's going to be warm tomorrow, isn't it?
Oh shit, it's supposed to be 70degrees here.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Global global giant, climatechange, or whatever they call it
.
So I keep changing the name ofit.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Aviation Density, altitude.
Let's talk about aviation.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Colesman.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I just I remember it being very somewhat.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He didn't know what it was until you said it, what I
was invented?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
the Colesman window.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think you learned that on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
On the G1000 though.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't care, My point is.
My point is It's not asintuitive.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Nothing is as intuitive As what A steam gauge
with a nub You just turned itright 100%.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That's Barb's whole point.
Yeah, what was your point?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Get a nub.
The yachts are hard to drive.
You got to know it.
No, apparently they're supereasy.
I don't know why you make ayacht captain.
They make more than you Andapparently you can do it in your
sleep, right, i guess.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's specialized.
We should.
When you're American, though,you'd suck automatically.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You wouldn't even get hired.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I think It's somewhat sadly true in that industry.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Is it not specialized ?
Yes, it is Absolutely.
They can't do what I do.
I can't do what they do.
Pretty confident in thatstatement.
It doesn't mean the level ofcoolheadedness that you're
talking about is indicative atall of the peril.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think those types of guys can go, and If they
chose either path, it'd be thesame, though, if they learned
how to fly.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
There's a real term for this.
It's called the right stuff.
It's a real thing.
It's a real movie and a realbook.
It is, i'm serious.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The right stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I might have seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I can't remember.
I definitely didn't read thebook.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my God, it was a great book, but that's the whole
thing is the nerves of steelYou could, just the blood
pressure.
They didn't move.
John Glenn was in the skygetting ready to burn up and his
blood pressure was just.
I was not born that way.
I'll tell you that way.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm pretty high fricking strong, if you can't
tell.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh, me too.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I used to be that way .
I'm not really that way anymore, though I get freaked out about
stuff.
I used to just You seem superchill, scott, i'm pretty chill,
but I used to be more chill.
Yeah, i got older.
I get older and now I thinkabout things more Well, that's,
yeah, i used to not think aboutthings at all.
Yeah, could be the acid reflux.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Let's get older dude, you think, you're, you're,
you're.
It's Maslow's hierarchy ofneeds, right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, like I used to not like in what you're bringing
in.
Thinking about like crashingand dying was like it just never
happened.
Now it's like now I get in theplane and it's like I think
about these things.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Maslow's hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Back then it was like it was, like it's like a video
game you know.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're indestructible .
When you're a kid, you didn'teven play video games.
I didn't even play video games.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, i didn't play video games, maybe they can make
out, they're more used to it,so they can Right, they can
separate too, but back then itwas just like I don't know.
Maybe you can relate to that atall.
Yeah, no, no, no For sure I'vesaid on the show multiple times
it's, it's weird that your riskinversion goes up the older you
get Right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, because it should be higher when you're
younger because you have moreyears to live.
And then you get older.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
like you have less years to live, so you should be
in your 70s and 80s.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right, you should be like who cares, who cares?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
but?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
then you think about things more.
Well, I think it does come backdown a little bit.
I think like it starts to peak,because I know older people
that are like ah whatever Yourdad, yeah Well, he's still.
Your dad loosened up a lot more, i feel like now that he's
gotten older.
Yeah, like he went drinkingwith us when we were in.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, well, he definitely, he definitely, joey.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Buffett's.
He definitely will drink morenow that he is older, okay, but
I don't know about anything elsebecause he's still like, he
doesn't like flying and stufflike that.
He's not a risk.
I wouldn't say he's a risktaker.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, nothing about flying is risky.
Don't want anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, unless you're flying with me No, i'm just
kidding Unless you're flyingwith, like, unless you're flying
in conditions that youshouldn't be flying in, that can
be risky, right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know, as a class statement Right?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So if it's, you know if there's clouds or something.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Lee flying his conditions.
Lee should be flying in and aLearjet's very different than if
you and I were in a Learjetflying.
Saying flying isn't risky is alittle too broad because, like,
there's plenty of idiot privatepilots out there that are like,
oh, i can do this, i'm a privatepilot.
and then the killer wholefamily, the king's called the
(05:09):
big lie, which is you're more atrisk of dying on your way to
the airport than the actual.
Well, it's true.
It's true for the airlines.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, it's not true for general aviation.
A little.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's similar to motorcycles.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Like death, per whatever metric they use.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah Like motor cycle territory is flying small
planes.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was talking to my dad about that because he was
like talking about how Gandhiwas going to get a plane and
they were going to use the planeto go on vacations and stuff
And I was like I just don'tthink that's a good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
No, not at all, And he's like why not?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He's like they could just get like a Cherokee six or
a anybody who's listening to theshow a long time knows the guy.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
The episodes will agree.
Yeah, i think Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And I just I said I just that's just not a good idea
.
I said that's like you.
somebody who doesn't do it allthe time should not be putting
their family in a plane andflying cross country.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, It depends on the pilot.
I mean, it depends on the pilot, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, but I just I still don't think that somebody
who doesn't do it frequentlyshould be doing it, and I've
always asked you to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I agree.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know, i know, i know, i know, i know, i just
think you should have lots ofexperience and do it regularly
before you're loading yourfamily in a plane and flying
across country.
Yes, agree, like if you and Ikept like flying how we used to
do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right For the last decade and a half Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We'd probably be good to go take our families Right,
but if I would have bought aCherokee six right now and get
checked out in it, i would notput my family in it and fly to
Florida.
What if you put a hundred hoursa year on it, though?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, then maybe But God he's not doing those types
of flights.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He's got to put a hundred hours a year on it.
No, no, he has boats that hedoesn't even use, like.
Yeah, he has.
He bought a set of like reallynice jet skis and he used them
once last year.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, he's that guy.
Apparently, boats are moredangerous than airplanes that
are.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
He's the guy that has the money to buy the stuff but
doesn't have the time to use itOr won't take the time to use it
.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
He has to be proficient.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah Right, he doesn't even care about it, like
the guy said he was sayingagain.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That when it comes to airplanes so proficient.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
These are what we're talking about Right.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That was my argument with him getting a six-seat
airplane for him and his familygoing on vacation.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Bad idea.
Bad idea, leave that Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Terrible idea.
Terrible idea.
Yes, that is the situationwhere the family dies.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
If everything is imperfect?
yes, which is where we have tooperate.
Yeah, which is why you guyslook at me now like I'm crazy
and like what?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
happened to Lee.
But you know, but it's becauseI live in that world.
A few years ago not well, maybeeight years ago I'd be like,
yeah, get an airplane, whatever,take your family out.
It would have been like it'sfine.
But now you're older and youthink about it and it's like
that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Getting old.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Getting old is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's why I stopped aging a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You turn 30 every year, don't you?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I do I still get ID'd everywhere.
We're about to sign a skincareline as the new sponsor.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We're just trying to work our way up towards that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I could use one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I shouldn't say I get ID'd everywhere, but I do get
ID'd frequently.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I don't need one.
One time I didn't get ID'd Iwas super pregnant.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, there's been a lot of times when I haven't got
ID'd, but it still happens.
If I'm at a place that doesn'tknow me, it's probably more
likely that I get ID'd than notID'd, but how many times?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
when you're pregnant, though?
Well, i've been pregnant a fewtimes, because men can get
pregnant.
That's why men have to.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
But I miscarry it every time.
It may have just been a reallybad poop, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I think we should just next Next.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm stuck on the.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You want to talk about this Being ID'd while
pregnant.
My favorite is when men thinkthat going to the bathrooms like
having a baby, it's the samething.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's the same thing Airplanes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You don't have.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
ID'd My favorite Airplanes.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Barb is such a good sport.
What about going to thebathroom on an airplane?
It can be terrible.
My brother had diarrhea on anairplane once and he was Shut up
Why?
This has been a trend thiswhole.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Get him down here He ran down the aisle.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He was like need in labor You want to discuss.
He ran down the aisle wayscreaming it's a shooting mass,
the spirit flight No it's thatand I'll ask.
He was probably like seven oreight in his defense.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I need more for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Clearly.
Please Do what you need to do.
that's what we do.
You should see how antisocialwe are when we're not drinking
at all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We don't drink at all .
It's terrible, the worstepisodes ever.
I'm doing a detox and next timeI'm up here recording.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I won't be able to drink.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's going to be gay.
Not that anything's wrong withbeing gay.
Dei, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Rob, is that the first time you've done a detox
on this?
That's true, it's not, i know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I've not drank for so long.
This is going to be amulti-molto one.
How much crap do I get if I'mlike, oh, I'm not drinking this
episode?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh, because, scott, you need it, if you were doing
something and you were playing.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Planet.
No, like, no like.
I'm going to get wasted thisweekend, but it's a Thursday so
I'm not going to for the show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's what you're going to be off.
I only buy enough for theweekend and then it doesn't last
me.
Well, I just run out.
If you're like, I'm detoxed.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
If like, hey, I'm doing a detox, i'm not going to
be able to drink this, totallyfine.
Well, next time I'll phrase itproperly.
I'll say I'm doing a detox onThursday.
So that I can drink on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I would say just plan differently.
I think is the point we'retrying to make.
But I have a very strictschedule.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's got to be like a month notice to not drink for
podcast episodes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And then we wouldn't schedule a podcast while you're
doing that, and then we wouldyou know if you guys want to do
it podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, so next time you're up here, you're not
drinking.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I can't No.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Let's Lee, let's just get blasted.
Let's get so drunk that wecan't even function, just to
piss him off.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know that would be very fun to listen to.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know what the most irritating thing is the
world is What is.
it Is when you're trying to besober and everybody else is
drunk.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yes, let's do that Especially, i feel like for Rob,
because when we get derailed hegets very like no guys let's go
back to the.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The show would be about going down aisle ways of
spirit screaming in appropriatethings It was a spirit We're
flying.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It was like some like it was like something was
Speaker 2 (12:06):
way back in the day.
Spirit didn't even exist No.
Another derail.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
We were out at DC 10.
If that tells you anything,when did?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
they stop flying.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I have no idea.
It was a DC 10 going intoJamaica and he was running down
the aisle way yelling it's amess Oh boy Barbara, what are
you saying?
I don't know I completelyforgot about what we're
attempting to even talk.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm the only one taking notes and my notes are
terrible.
We need to stop doing that.
We got 15 minutes to talk.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Nobody takes so much.
I know What do you got BarbaraCollege.
I need some We can talk.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Barbara college, i told you I need something like
15 minutes of stuff So I canmake a segment and actually have
a title other than it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I always as the podcast title and bonus clip,
but we'll talk about anythingyou want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Thank you, It's oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
In 15 minutes.
We have 15 minutes.
Got a big clock right overthere.
Buddy, we're on the sameschedule this time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, so I got you all right, and I just don't want
to walk it out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I like either.
Oh, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And nine minutes and one second kind of busy day
tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I know dude, i got to pack up a you-haul.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I got to pack this rig up.
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna take off.
You can start that at 10 am.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I've got to edit the last disaster from Thursday.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You haven't started anything like that I did, i've
like halfway done.
It's a lot.
It should have worked harder.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You complete wreck.
What We were shelving today Itwas I hit?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
maybe Barbara wants to talk about something.
I knew that, i knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Why.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I leave my friends on .
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I know everything .
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I want to talk to Barbara.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I have eyes everywhere.
Okay, no, allison said shethought.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I thought I saw her.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Really helpful filler content You're so critical of a
second ago, barbara want totalk about boats.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
He could talk about both.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, yes, he could.
The safest industry to be in.
No, no, it's possible to die,apparently not When that one
engine fails possible with 13people to help you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is, oh my god, i'm Rick Eddin.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Oh yeah, the 13 people to help, that does a lot
of good.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Better than one more person.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, exactly Rob.
You got enough people thatcould just push you off the
other boat.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's closer than one person.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Flying is something that weighs basically the same
amount, and If they're focusedon something, then you can't be,
then you need to be looking outthe window, but you have 12
other people to be doing otherthings for you idolize
Australians.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think is the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Wrong region.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You're okay Europeans well, no, he said he's not.
He's not Chinese.
New Zealand, new Zealand.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Oh, that's South Africa, it's a good guess 50% of
yachting is South Africans.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay, they drive which?
which side of the road do theydrive on?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
the left side.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Okay, so that's right side drive the correct right
side drive, right side drive, sothat's like Japan, india.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's right and wrong.
There's no, not left and right.
Do they drive on the right?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The wrong St Lucia.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
St Lucia is the same Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, I mean, it's the Bahamas.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
India.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh, oh, it could be, could be Ireland.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We got sidetracked.
Earlier I had a go ahead.
What we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm not sure, i don't know.
No, she said you want to talkabout boats.
She said you want to talk aboutstatistics on general aviation.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The danger you said it's similar to like a motor
like a motorcycle Is that that'saccurate.
That's what the John and MarthaKing said, yeah, which is more
So.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I want to say something.
I don't know how accurate thisis, but Maybe you know, like
when you're driving and thereare a lot of other cars in
proximity to you and it's like,yeah, i'm worried, i'm not
worried about myself, i'mworried about the other guy like
maybe Flying a plane isdifferent because there aren't
always planes in proximity toyou and you could like veer off
(16:26):
for a minute.
So it really does depend on thepilot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You can literally.
It's a lot easier to check textmessages while in route versus
a car.
Text and fly all the time youcan say your driving's kind of
there's the long periods of time.
We don't have to have as muchfocus required You should, but
it's the stakes I feel like arelower than if you're on a
(16:50):
highway going 70 miles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, if I'm gonna take our lower, if I'm in a
plane and I'm just sure, whichdoesn't necessarily, isn't
necessarily a positive Benefit.
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I didn't know if I worded that wrong because I that
was correct.
I didn't wanna correct.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't want to start another, but if our ability to
assess risk is not does not havea great track record as human
beings.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh, absolutely risk management and assessment is a
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's a whole thing do an episode on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, we kind of probably just had the
opportunity.
But the best ideas we have notjust they're never gonna,
they're never gonna land the waywe think they will, because the
way We all think so.
But yeah so risk riskassessment To threats and errors
, we just we don't, we don't getit, we don't get it.
(17:40):
So the one time, nine times outof ten text while you fly,
whatever You got the emergency,the thunderstorm, the icing that
you didn't expect, the enginefailure, whatever disaster
disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
What's the heaviest airplane?
Well, the Russians have blew itup.
So what's the second heaviestairplane?
What the second one is?
Second heaviest one is now thestrato launch.
It's, uh, that, how much is itway?
how many tons, i don't know butthey use it to launch Rockets
(18:15):
into space.
It was a Microsoft guy.
He's dead now, but he builtthis thing.
It's got like it's got six ofWhatever engine they had on 747.
It's like two 747 wings puttogether And then it has like
they launched a rocket from aplane.
Yeah, The strato launch.
They can launch satellites withit and stuff.
I don't know.
I think the best idea.
(18:35):
Which has the heaviest grossweight.
I don't know what is empty, butit's the.
That's what we want.
Yeah, gross weight.
Gross weight max takeoff weightor whatever, is the heaviest in
the world.
It's a.
It's called the strato launch.
It's somewhere out west.
They launched satellites withit.
I don't know what.
I got six engines on it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
The wingspan is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
What do you?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
want to know Lee Well what I want to know is why the
thanks Bob?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Why don't we take and make like a maglev, like a
magnetic levitation, just highspeed trains and wherever, all
over Japan, china, i'm surethey're bullet trains.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It's a.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, bullet trains, but I wanted, i want to make
sure that we're using the righttechnology, which is why I'm
saying mag.
I don't want to signnecessarily an arbitrary number
to how fast they go, because Idon't know, but I want to make
sure we're using this technologybecause I think it'll be most
efficient.
Why don't we get spaceships upto like 300 knots on a maglev 12
mile long maglev train and getthem started and then Then hit
(19:40):
the jets and go?
Would that be more efficientthan going?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
for what's the point?
Why 300 knots?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You can't have bleachers on that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, that's also true.
So you're not starting fromzero, wouldn't that take a while
?
The way that you're explainingit, it's your horizontal.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I looked this up before I looked up this question
.
Well, at the end it can be likea launch ramp.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't know where the train goes per se Once it
launches.
I looked.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I literally looked this up before because I had the
same idea in my head.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Maybe it needs a little bit of a plan for them.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
There was a reason why it doesn't make sense, and I
can't remember what it was.
Well, it needs a little bit ofwings.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So like, let's say, we use the space shuttle as kind
of somewhat of a template.
Just give that some biggerengines and more fuel, launch it
horizontally.
Top-throttle dragster.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, basically yeah or no, maybe the ramp.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Maybe the way that it is aligned on the thing has
like a little bit of the thingas you approach the critical
speed turns up like the top.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, it's.
They couldn't even figure thatout, though They closed that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Let me ask you a question Is this worth it or
like?
is this one of those?
can an airplane take off on aconveyor belt, things?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
This is awesome.
It gets such a big argumentover that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The airplane can definitely take off on a
conveyor belt, because thewheels are just.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Absolutely it cannot, scott Boris, is it can, the
wheels would just spin fasterand the plane would move forward
.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Stop it, stop it right now.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Do you have the?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
brakes on How well lubricated is.
Are the wheels?
As long as you have, as long asyou have good wheel bearings,
it's going to take off.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Let's say they're abec 5 No.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Rollerblades.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yes, do you have good wheel bearings?
because if you do, it's goingto take off.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So what if the wheel, if the conveyor belt was moving
?
would the things staystationary, right?
What thing?
The airplane.
The wheel bearings are turningon the airplane, while the
convertible is rolling.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, it's like a treadmill.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, so does the airplane say stationary or does
it go with the treadmill?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, Why would it go with the treadmill?
It has wheel bearings.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So you're agreeing with Barb then?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, we don't agree No we don't agree, it would take
off.
Of course it would take off.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It would not take off .
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You're saying it would travel with the.
It would travel against thetreadmill because it doesn't
matter.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Which would be stationary?
No, it would move forward, yes,it would.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh my God, you guys are very good.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You guys are very good, If you're No.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Scott, stop it right now.
If you're walking up a downescalator, are you moving?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I'm not being powered by thrust, i'm being powered by
my legs.
Which are your thrusts?
Which?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
are your thrusts, if your?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
thrust is not dependent on what's attached to
the ground, then you're going tomove forward.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
No, exactly No, you're going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
If, instead of legs, you just had a shape of a circle
of stair things?
so you?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
could have a wheel going up and down the escalator
Against a conveyor belt.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The wheels are going to be spinning faster, but the
plane is going to be movingforward at the same speed it
normally would be No, it depends.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It would take a lot more takeoff run.
All you're simulating is ahigh-density altitude, low
performance thrust, lowperformance, everything else.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
As long as you're wheel bearing.
You just made that a lot moreWatch, watch watch.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
This won't be a perfect simulation Wheel
conveyor belt.
This won't be great.
It's going to suck, it's notgoing to prove anything.
It's not going to work.
It's not going to proveanything.
But I want, can't you?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Do you want to grab the?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
treadmill.
No, i'm sorry, am I the onlyone?
who knows that this is notgoing to take off.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
No Well, how long will it take?
We don't know the excess amountof thrust you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You can be a rubber band propeller, balsa wood train
, you can have as much thrust asyou want.
No, no, no, it's not a thrustthat takes off an airplane No no
, no.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Have you ever heard of Saturn 5?
Yeah, it needs no takeoff run,right Yeah.
So, I understand.
I'm on your side.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bart, that's a rocket ship.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Power to weight ratio .
What else is there?
I don't know what else.
The?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
thrust is literally going back, not down.
The thrust is going backwards.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yes, but remember that propeller puts some
artificial air flow across theairfoil.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Not enough.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You don't know, we have not isolated all those
variables.
For the most part, you take aproduction airplane and you size
it right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yes, i agree with you Can a 747 take off on a
conveyor belt?
That's what they always post No.
It's a practical answer.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Hold on, i did not know this was a thing.
So am I?
Don't pay me in a freakingquarter of a million.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh, there's like Can a 747 take off on a conveyor
belt.
The practical answer is yes A747 engine produce a quarter of
a million pounds of thrust.
Each pound of thrust ispowerful enough to launch a
bronchosaurus straight up.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
What kind of force?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No matter what is happening on the treadmill and
wheels.
The plane is going to moveforward and take off, yes, bam.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But we already established a power weight ratio
.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's the same thing if it was like you were on an
icy lake and just locked up theparking brake and hit the
thrusters.
It's still going to take off.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yes, that's why I tried to isolate beforehand.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Where's the lift From the forward motion?
From the forward motion, Thewind.
What forward?
So you assuming that the air?
are you in a vacuum?
or something Like what do you?
No, you're not moving forward.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You're going to move forward?
Yes, you are.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You are moving forward.
That was Google.
I'll do a chat to be teasedfirst.
The conveyor belt is onlymoving a direction at a certain
speed.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So if you have a thrust whatever you want to call
it that exceeds, that It's atreadmill Right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, it must be overwhelmed right now, okay.
All of our audience watchinglive chat gpc right now.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You're saying if you have enough thrust to go faster
than the treadmill is goingbackwards, you're going to take
off.
It doesn't matter how fast.
the rest of the time It's goingto drive off the treadmill and
at that point you're taking offon the ground.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
The wheels are going to take off The wheels are just
going to just spin out ofcontrol.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Because, in theory, the treadmill is always just
going to match the wheel speed.
I believe in every time thisquestion came up, but it doesn't
matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So you're Hold on, hold on.
You're trying to say, as if thewheel speed always matches the
treadmill speed.
So you're trying to say, ifsomething's.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, because if it doesn't, then it drives off the
treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, which is Ford motion which creates lift.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, at that point you're not taking off a
treadmill, you're taking off theground because you drove off
the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
How long is the treadmill?
I'm talking an infinitetreadmill.
I don't know.
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They always, I believe they always in the
example, always.
It's a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It would have to be a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean how long It would have to be way longer than
a runway Mathematically.
think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You would need Everybody's disputing that.
All you are is simulating a low, that same airfoil at a high
density altitude.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You have chat GPT on your phone.
That's all you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, it's going to be a higher ground speed.
Okay, i don't disagree withthat.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I thought we were on a treadmill.
That ended.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
At when?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
At when, i don't know , that's why I assumed we were
driving off the treadmill.
And then you're taking off.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, treadmills are typically only like four or five
feet long.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The examples I've heard of.
It's an unlimited lengthtreadmill.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, it has to be.
I think it's why we've beentalking about it.
If it's a normal treadmill,it's five feet long and a
740-tonne is going to take offit.
Obviously it doesn't work.
We crushed the treadmill.
We're out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's pellet time making a treadmill.
Yes, that is exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
They do tread, tread.
We'd crush the treadmill.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And the Brontosaurus, and the Brontosaurus.
What a terrible metricBrontosaurus.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Hold on, i know.
First off, we have togenetically engineer the
Brontosaurus And that's going totake 20-something out of yours,
probably, for it to grow tomaturity.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Oh, it's 9 o'clock out of here, is it really?
Yes, you got to shut it down.
Barb, thank you so much, thankyou so much, no problem, good
job everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, everybody especially Scott, especially
Barb.
Good job myself, Good job, Goodjob Scott.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I did everything great.
Yep, i did so great, broke themall.
Everything great.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And this as soon as we get on, of course.
Scott Stuck continues talkingLike American World War.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
This is like 3, 2, 1.
Okay, 3, 2, 1, man Intro backin.
Well, I'm going to go back tothe beginning.
We'll cut intro back in.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Bathroom break or anything.
Yeah, we'll do bathroom.
We'll do five minutes.
We think of something just likewhen's your birthday?
Oh, what's your social security?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
number two What's your account and routing number?
I want to see if it's the sameas mine.
Yeah.
Similar The routing is thefirst one.
The account's the second oneOkay.
You're going to go first.
Scott that file, All right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, yeah, So yeah, there's just so much like oh, I
want to understand it And I'mlike I'm in the mode of
extracting information out ofyou now Like I want to know,
Like because I've been there.
I stopped guys.
Dude, this is stop.
Like you just yell it Like youdon't.
like there's no, there's noprofessionals anymore.
Like you're in a car, it's likestop.
Like you put your hand out andyou're like, stop, like you're
(29:23):
going to stop them from walkingacross the street, even though
they're driving an airplane.
Yeah, just put your hand out,stop.
You know that's crazy Like whenthe CFI went shush.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, i got it.
I got shushed, just like that.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
So is it an adjustment, doing that from like
CFI, or using your left hand,and then you work with the
captain and you're using yourright?
I guess you have that firstofficer transition where you're
not doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I guess, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Have you literally done that in the plane where you
?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
put your arm out.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Why don't you just get on the controls on your side
in that situation?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Because my feet are flat on the floor, because I
trust the guys I fly with.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, then sound like That's the dip.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well if they do something stupid, i like I tell
them to stop, like I'm sayingthat I did.
If they keep going, i will geton the controls, Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, you don't.
So here's the thing You don'twant to undermine.
You don't want them to secondguess your trust in them.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You don't want to have communications, all those
sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You don't want any communication breakdown in the
future.
You want to talk CRM.
We could talk CRM all day.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We could talk CRM all day.
That's right.
Crm, crt, we're all into it.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, crm is a big one Andlike a lot of that.
I think not CRM, but it's likecockpit etiquette And just
there's.
There's like don't go press abutton if you're not going to
tell me what you're doing.
(30:50):
Yeah, that is super important,you're you just don't want to do
anything to erode any trustbetween the two of you.
It's just the two of you thathave to manage worst case
scenario and best case scenario,so it's like you don't want to
do anything from the get.
Go to think there is adisproportionate of power or
anything like that, like we'reboth equally qualified in the
(31:12):
airplane.
The only thing that may matteris maybe seniority with the
company.
Other than that proficiencylevel is the same, everybody's
the same is the way I like tothink about it, and so what I do
like and I'm very conscious ofit when I'm flying with a guy I
don't.
My hands are flat, like they'renot anywhere near the controls,
(31:33):
my feet are flat on the floor.
I'm not riding along with themin any sense.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
When you're flying with a guy.
What if you're flying with afemale that you're ready to take
over any second.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Then I don't want to fly, then I don't want to fly.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Okay, No, no, no Yeah that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why would you?
I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, when Lee has a female, you can't see him.
I don't know if you can see myhands.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
When.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Lee has a female student.
he's like this the whole time,Just ready to grab the controls.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I don't take female students.
That's where you're wrong.
I just don't take them.
Just don't take them.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, you all.
You failed the pre-screen, thepre-screen.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Without first box.
you had to check.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You failed You failed the pre-screening Male, female
no no, not happening Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yes, yeah.
So I try to really make surethat it's bicameral.
You know what I mean.
It's an equally sharedresponsibility, it's an equally
shared proficiency thing, sothat they feel at ease to make
(32:44):
some of their own decisions andwhatever, not feel like there's
training wheels on or anythinglike that.
So I try to go out of my way.
That's really annoying.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, that's really annoying.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I always got to turn it off upstairs.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
The noise I don't hear anything.
Ding, ding, ding, whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, it's not, It's still going No, it's over here.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You got to use that mouse there that I could
probably reach.
Hit this miss over here.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's gone now.
It's gone now.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You should have listened to the annoyance
beforehand.
What's?
you doing with that cube overthere, lee, i don't know, I just
got this 30 seconds ago Youalready fixed it, yeah.
It was sitting here when.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I was here.
Oh okay, I thought you weregoing to like do a demonstration
with it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, so cubes fly.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, apparently they do these days.
Balloons Yeah, they're just thealiens.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, oh cute, it's the most aerodynamic shape.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, but anyways, i mean, the aliens are probably
using automated systems, don'tyou think?
You don't?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
think they're still flying it by hand, are they?
Oh no, they're definitelyflying it by hand, You think?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
so Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
They got 10 hands in two brains, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But don't you think they'd just be smart enough to
make the system do what it wants?
No, they make the slits.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I don't think so.
They weren't smart enough tokeep that balloon high enough.
I mean, we saw it.
We let it sit there for days.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah.
You know, Well, that's so Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Definitely not smart enough.
Which one, which one are youtalking about?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, For a second there.
I thought it might be being alittle bit what's the a little
bit racist for calling theChinese aliens.
What are we?
how did it go here?
You just walk away.
I could fill up one drinkupstairs.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So we have been.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Bob's referring to Asian people as aliens and it's
kind of offensive to be, honest.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Especially the women.
Eight watching, seven watchingnow, so they're drinking, going
down Jack Clarky 20.
We're totally like, more thanever, we're like all on the, the
guests.
So just want to say hey, tylerand Jack, and D Freed I don't
know who D Freed is, oh, danFriedman, dan Friedman.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'd assume so.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was good, just putting that together
, we were all good.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Guess what It was recording using the AirPod
microphones the whole time.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He probably.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh yeah, i sent you a mic, i just switched it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I didn't even see the mic, so Yeah, cause it's here.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Oh wow, but um, i wish I would've known that it
was right there.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I could've told you that this whole time.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You're definitely not close enough to it.
You're definitely not closeenough to it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I haven't seen the last episodes.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You have to put your face on the microphone Just in
it.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, that was better, maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Tap on it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Oh yeah it's coming through the mic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's goodIt is now, because I had it
switched.
I switched it.
Cool, cool Kids these days.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well, it seemed.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I told you.
I told you Automation andtechnology.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
The divisiton of the flight deck.
That's why we need to replaceall humans.
I'm sure that's well on the way, just ask.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
AI.
All right no need for humans.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
So I'll leave this in front of my face.
We did discuss Is that better?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The sound quality is better.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Much better.
Oh sorry, It's all right, We'veall been there.
You've seen the show Jesus Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Hey, you're not supposed to agree with this,
just kidding You guys.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
it's very professional.
Yeah, that's a reputation.
Thank you for noticing.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
My goal is for people to say, wow, scott's so
professional.
Yeah, that's the mark, scottwants to leave on aviation.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Scott is so professional You know he knew
7600.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I did So, i think he can just get up and walk.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
He knows more than he lets on.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically a genius, but I don't
want to get kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You can't give him anything, because then he does
that shit.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I'm basically a genius.
No, it's OK, i'm basically agenius, but I don't want to get
kidnapped by the CIA and thenthey'll make me do stuff for
them.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
So I just pretend to be an idiot?
Yeah, that's the only reasonhe's still with us.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I've actually put him on the spot more I will.
What, If you need me to put youon the spot more I?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
will OK what I've actually.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Let's not do too much of that.
I think I'm actually out.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I've actually outsmarted the government by
pretending that I'm not smart.
Because, they'll kidnap me andmake me do stuff for them.
Yep, yep, all right.
Um, on that amazing note.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just picture like a dog on a beach ball for a treat
.
That's all that picture A whatA dog like balancing on a beach
ball for a treat.
Why, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I picture like oh, the government's going to make
me do stuff for them, like medoing tricks?
OK, barb, do you need a breakreal quick?
Are you good right now?
Just start.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm good OK.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We ready?
Can we pick up where thisconversation left?
off Probably not, it's notgoing to make sense unless I
start an episode.
All right, i really liked wherethat was going.
I had more I wanted to say onthe topic.
We'll get out of your systemfor like a couple minutes.
I got the idea for that.
There was this guy that waslike not right in the head, that
used to come by the motorcycleshop all the time And he
(38:16):
literally told us that he was VMax.
No, it wasn't him.
Ok, it was an old guy, though,and he was like kind of off.
But he told us that he was sosmart that they studied him when
he was in school and that theCIA like took him and the
government took him and theylike studied his brain to try to
figure out how his brain works,all this stuff.
(38:38):
I don't think he was tellingthe truth.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
That sounds like.
Definitely not true.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
A lot of older guys out there.
I wouldn't say a lot, butthat's not completely out of the
realm of who I'd assume wouldbe at a time So after he said
that told that story and Irealized how smart I was.
I was like I better, i betterdumb myself down, i need to be
worried.
Yeah, because I was like ifthey came for him, they're
definitely coming for me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, And even with this tinfoil hat more often Yeah
.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's more like I'm using this as a joke for the
rest of my life, when it comesup.
All right, just edit that music and make it actually
goes out.
I don't want to get yelled at.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good call Dan.
Wise man, wise man.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Okay, so you guys already know his idea.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
So many things.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm pissed at everything right now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm just mad at the world.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Except me, except you .
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I said it.
No well, i mean, i might weardark clothes tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
What's not a joke about things like that right now
The climate is not the best forthose sorts of things.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's going to be warm tomorrow, isn't it?
Oh shit, it's supposed to be 70degrees here.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Global global giant, climatechange, or whatever they call it
.
So I keep changing the name ofit.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Aviation Density, altitude.
Let's talk about aviation.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Colesman.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I just I remember it being very somewhat.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He didn't know what it was until you said it, what I
was invented?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
the Colesman window.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think you learned that on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
On the G1000 though.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't care, My point is.
My point is It's not asintuitive.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Nothing is as intuitive As what A steam gauge
with a nub You just turned itright 100%.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That's Barb's whole point.
Yeah, what was your point?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Get a nub.
The yachts are hard to drive.
You got to know it.
No, apparently they're supereasy.
I don't know why you make ayacht captain.
They make more than you Andapparently you can do it in your
sleep, right, i guess.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's specialized.
We should.
When you're American, though,you'd suck automatically.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You wouldn't even get hired.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I think It's somewhat sadly true in that industry.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Is it not specialized ?
Yes, it is Absolutely.
They can't do what I do.
I can't do what they do.
Pretty confident in thatstatement.
It doesn't mean the level ofcoolheadedness that you're
talking about is indicative atall of the peril.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think those types of guys can go, and If they
chose either path, it'd be thesame, though, if they learned
how to fly.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
There's a real term for this.
It's called the right stuff.
It's a real thing.
It's a real movie and a realbook.
It is, i'm serious.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The right stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I might have seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I can't remember.
I definitely didn't read thebook.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my God, it was a great book, but that's the whole
thing is the nerves of steelYou could, just the blood
pressure.
They didn't move.
John Glenn was in the skygetting ready to burn up and his
blood pressure was just.
I was not born that way.
I'll tell you that way.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm pretty high fricking strong, if you can't
tell.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh, me too.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I used to be that way .
I'm not really that way anymore, though I get freaked out about
stuff.
I used to just You seem superchill, scott, i'm pretty chill,
but I used to be more chill.
Yeah, i got older.
I get older and now I thinkabout things more Well, that's,
yeah, i used to not think aboutthings at all.
Yeah, could be the acid reflux.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Let's get older dude, you think, you're, you're,
you're.
It's Maslow's hierarchy ofneeds, right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, like I used to not like in what you're bringing
in.
Thinking about like crashingand dying was like it just never
happened.
Now it's like now I get in theplane and it's like I think
about these things.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Maslow's hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Back then it was like it was, like it's like a video
game you know.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're indestructible .
When you're a kid, you didn'teven play video games.
I didn't even play video games.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, i didn't play video games, maybe they can make
out, they're more used to it,so they can Right, they can
separate too, but back then itwas just like I don't know.
Maybe you can relate to that atall.
Yeah, no, no, no For sure I'vesaid on the show multiple times
it's, it's weird that your riskinversion goes up the older you
get Right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, because it should be higher when you're
younger because you have moreyears to live.
And then you get older.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
like you have less years to live, so you should be
in your 70s and 80s.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right, you should be like who cares, who cares?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
but?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
then you think about things more.
Well, I think it does come backdown a little bit.
I think like it starts to peak,because I know older people
that are like ah whatever Yourdad, yeah Well, he's still.
Your dad loosened up a lot more, i feel like now that he's
gotten older.
Yeah, like he went drinkingwith us when we were in.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, well, he definitely, he definitely, joey.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Buffett's.
He definitely will drink morenow that he is older, okay, but
I don't know about anything elsebecause he's still like, he
doesn't like flying and stufflike that.
He's not a risk.
I wouldn't say he's a risktaker.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, nothing about flying is risky.
Don't want anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, unless you're flying with me No, i'm just
kidding Unless you're flyingwith, like, unless you're flying
in conditions that youshouldn't be flying in, that can
be risky, right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know, as a class statement Right?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So if it's, you know if there's clouds or something.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Lee flying his conditions.
Lee should be flying in and aLearjet's very different than if
you and I were in a Learjetflying.
Saying flying isn't risky is alittle too broad because, like,
there's plenty of idiot privatepilots out there that are like,
oh, i can do this, i'm a privatepilot.
and then the killer wholefamily, the king's called the
(05:09):
big lie, which is you're more atrisk of dying on your way to
the airport than the actual.
Well, it's true.
It's true for the airlines.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, it's not true for general aviation.
A little.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's similar to motorcycles.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Like death, per whatever metric they use.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah Like motor cycle territory is flying small
planes.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was talking to my dad about that because he was
like talking about how Gandhiwas going to get a plane and
they were going to use the planeto go on vacations and stuff
And I was like I just don'tthink that's a good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
No, not at all, And he's like why not?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He's like they could just get like a Cherokee six or
a anybody who's listening to theshow a long time knows the guy.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
The episodes will agree.
Yeah, i think Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And I just I said I just that's just not a good idea
.
I said that's like you.
somebody who doesn't do it allthe time should not be putting
their family in a plane andflying cross country.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, It depends on the pilot.
I mean, it depends on the pilot, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, but I just I still don't think that somebody
who doesn't do it frequentlyshould be doing it, and I've
always asked you to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I agree.
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know, i know, i know, i know, i know, i just
think you should have lots ofexperience and do it regularly
before you're loading yourfamily in a plane and flying
across country.
Yes, agree, like if you and Ikept like flying how we used to
do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right For the last decade and a half Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We'd probably be good to go take our families Right,
but if I would have bought aCherokee six right now and get
checked out in it, i would notput my family in it and fly to
Florida.
What if you put a hundred hoursa year on it, though?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, then maybe But God he's not doing those types
of flights.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He's got to put a hundred hours a year on it.
No, no, he has boats that hedoesn't even use, like.
Yeah, he has.
He bought a set of like reallynice jet skis and he used them
once last year.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, he's that guy.
Apparently, boats are moredangerous than airplanes that
are.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
He's the guy that has the money to buy the stuff but
doesn't have the time to use itOr won't take the time to use it
.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
He has to be proficient.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah Right, he doesn't even care about it, like
the guy said he was sayingagain.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That when it comes to airplanes so proficient.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
These are what we're talking about Right.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That was my argument with him getting a six-seat
airplane for him and his familygoing on vacation.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Bad idea.
Bad idea, leave that Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Terrible idea.
Terrible idea.
Yes, that is the situationwhere the family dies.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
If everything is imperfect?
yes, which is where we have tooperate.
Yeah, which is why you guyslook at me now like I'm crazy
and like what?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
happened to Lee.
But you know, but it's becauseI live in that world.
A few years ago not well, maybeeight years ago I'd be like,
yeah, get an airplane, whatever,take your family out.
It would have been like it'sfine.
But now you're older and youthink about it and it's like
that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Getting old.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Getting old is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's why I stopped aging a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You turn 30 every year, don't you?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I do I still get ID'd everywhere.
We're about to sign a skincareline as the new sponsor.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We're just trying to work our way up towards that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I could use one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I shouldn't say I get ID'd everywhere, but I do get
ID'd frequently.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I don't need one.
One time I didn't get ID'd Iwas super pregnant.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, there's been a lot of times when I haven't got
ID'd, but it still happens.
If I'm at a place that doesn'tknow me, it's probably more
likely that I get ID'd than notID'd, but how many times?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
when you're pregnant, though?
Well, i've been pregnant a fewtimes, because men can get
pregnant.
That's why men have to.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
But I miscarry it every time.
It may have just been a reallybad poop, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I think we should just next Next.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm stuck on the.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You want to talk about this Being ID'd while
pregnant.
My favorite is when men thinkthat going to the bathrooms like
having a baby, it's the samething.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's the same thing Airplanes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You don't have.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
ID'd My favorite Airplanes.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Barb is such a good sport.
What about going to thebathroom on an airplane?
It can be terrible.
My brother had diarrhea on anairplane once and he was Shut up
Why?
This has been a trend thiswhole.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Get him down here He ran down the aisle.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He was like need in labor You want to discuss.
He ran down the aisle wayscreaming it's a shooting mass,
the spirit flight No it's thatand I'll ask.
He was probably like seven oreight in his defense.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I need more for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Clearly.
Please Do what you need to do.
that's what we do.
You should see how antisocialwe are when we're not drinking
at all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We don't drink at all .
It's terrible, the worstepisodes ever.
I'm doing a detox and next timeI'm up here recording.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I won't be able to drink.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's going to be gay.
Not that anything's wrong withbeing gay.
Dei, yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Rob, is that the first time you've done a detox
on this?
That's true, it's not, i know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I've not drank for so long.
This is going to be amulti-molto one.
How much crap do I get if I'mlike, oh, I'm not drinking this
episode?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh, because, scott, you need it, if you were doing
something and you were playing.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Planet.
No, like, no like.
I'm going to get wasted thisweekend, but it's a Thursday so
I'm not going to for the show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's what you're going to be off.
I only buy enough for theweekend and then it doesn't last
me.
Well, I just run out.
If you're like, I'm detoxed.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
If like, hey, I'm doing a detox, i'm not going to
be able to drink this, totallyfine.
Well, next time I'll phrase itproperly.
I'll say I'm doing a detox onThursday.
So that I can drink on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I would say just plan differently.
I think is the point we'retrying to make.
But I have a very strictschedule.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's got to be like a month notice to not drink for
podcast episodes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And then we wouldn't schedule a podcast while you're
doing that, and then we wouldyou know if you guys want to do
it podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, so next time you're up here, you're not
drinking.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I can't No.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Let's Lee, let's just get blasted.
Let's get so drunk that wecan't even function, just to
piss him off.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know that would be very fun to listen to.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know what the most irritating thing is the
world is What is.
it Is when you're trying to besober and everybody else is
drunk.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yes, let's do that Especially, i feel like for Rob,
because when we get derailed hegets very like no guys let's go
back to the.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The show would be about going down aisle ways of
spirit screaming in appropriatethings It was a spirit We're
flying.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It was like some like it was like something was
Speaker 2 (12:06):
way back in the day.
Spirit didn't even exist No.
Another derail.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
We were out at DC 10.
If that tells you anything,when did?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
they stop flying.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I have no idea.
It was a DC 10 going intoJamaica and he was running down
the aisle way yelling it's amess Oh boy Barbara, what are
you saying?
I don't know I completelyforgot about what we're
attempting to even talk.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm the only one taking notes and my notes are
terrible.
We need to stop doing that.
We got 15 minutes to talk.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Nobody takes so much.
I know What do you got BarbaraCollege.
I need some We can talk.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Barbara college, i told you I need something like
15 minutes of stuff So I canmake a segment and actually have
a title other than it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I always as the podcast title and bonus clip,
but we'll talk about anythingyou want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Thank you, It's oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
In 15 minutes.
We have 15 minutes.
Got a big clock right overthere.
Buddy, we're on the sameschedule this time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, so I got you all right, and I just don't want
to walk it out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I like either.
Oh, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And nine minutes and one second kind of busy day
tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I know dude, i got to pack up a you-haul.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I got to pack this rig up.
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna take off.
You can start that at 10 am.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I've got to edit the last disaster from Thursday.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You haven't started anything like that I did, i've
like halfway done.
It's a lot.
It should have worked harder.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You complete wreck.
What We were shelving today Itwas I hit?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
maybe Barbara wants to talk about something.
I knew that, i knew that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Why.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I leave my friends on .
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I know everything .
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I want to talk to Barbara.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I have eyes everywhere.
Okay, no, allison said shethought.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I thought I saw her.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Really helpful filler content You're so critical of a
second ago, barbara want totalk about boats.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
He could talk about both.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, yes, he could.
The safest industry to be in.
No, no, it's possible to die,apparently not When that one
engine fails possible with 13people to help you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is, oh my god, i'm Rick Eddin.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Oh yeah, the 13 people to help, that does a lot
of good.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Better than one more person.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, exactly Rob.
You got enough people thatcould just push you off the
other boat.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's closer than one person.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Flying is something that weighs basically the same
amount, and If they're focusedon something, then you can't be,
then you need to be looking outthe window, but you have 12
other people to be doing otherthings for you idolize
Australians.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think is the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Wrong region.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You're okay Europeans well, no, he said he's not.
He's not Chinese.
New Zealand, new Zealand.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Oh, that's South Africa, it's a good guess 50% of
yachting is South Africans.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay, they drive which?
which side of the road do theydrive on?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
the left side.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Okay, so that's right side drive the correct right
side drive, right side drive, sothat's like Japan, india.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's right and wrong.
There's no, not left and right.
Do they drive on the right?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The wrong St Lucia.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
St Lucia is the same Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, I mean, it's the Bahamas.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
India.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh, oh, it could be, could be Ireland.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We got sidetracked.
Earlier I had a go ahead.
What we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm not sure, i don't know.
No, she said you want to talkabout boats.
She said you want to talk aboutstatistics on general aviation.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The danger you said it's similar to like a motor
like a motorcycle Is that that'saccurate.
That's what the John and MarthaKing said, yeah, which is more
So.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I want to say something.
I don't know how accurate thisis, but Maybe you know, like
when you're driving and thereare a lot of other cars in
proximity to you and it's like,yeah, i'm worried, i'm not
worried about myself, i'mworried about the other guy like
maybe Flying a plane isdifferent because there aren't
always planes in proximity toyou and you could like veer off
(16:26):
for a minute.
So it really does depend on thepilot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You can literally.
It's a lot easier to check textmessages while in route versus
a car.
Text and fly all the time youcan say your driving's kind of
there's the long periods of time.
We don't have to have as muchfocus required You should, but
it's the stakes I feel like arelower than if you're on a
(16:50):
highway going 70 miles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, if I'm gonna take our lower, if I'm in a
plane and I'm just sure, whichdoesn't necessarily, isn't
necessarily a positive Benefit.
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I didn't know if I worded that wrong because I that
was correct.
I didn't wanna correct.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't want to start another, but if our ability to
assess risk is not does not havea great track record as human
beings.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh, absolutely risk management and assessment is a
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's a whole thing do an episode on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, we kind of probably just had the
opportunity.
But the best ideas we have notjust they're never gonna,
they're never gonna land the waywe think they will, because the
way We all think so.
But yeah so risk riskassessment To threats and errors
, we just we don't, we don't getit, we don't get it.
(17:40):
So the one time, nine times outof ten text while you fly,
whatever You got the emergency,the thunderstorm, the icing that
you didn't expect, the enginefailure, whatever disaster
disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
What's the heaviest airplane?
Well, the Russians have blew itup.
So what's the second heaviestairplane?
What the second one is?
Second heaviest one is now thestrato launch.
It's, uh, that, how much is itway?
how many tons, i don't know butthey use it to launch Rockets
(18:15):
into space.
It was a Microsoft guy.
He's dead now, but he builtthis thing.
It's got like it's got six ofWhatever engine they had on 747.
It's like two 747 wings puttogether And then it has like
they launched a rocket from aplane.
Yeah, The strato launch.
They can launch satellites withit and stuff.
I don't know.
I think the best idea.
(18:35):
Which has the heaviest grossweight.
I don't know what is empty, butit's the.
That's what we want.
Yeah, gross weight.
Gross weight max takeoff weightor whatever, is the heaviest in
the world.
It's a.
It's called the strato launch.
It's somewhere out west.
They launched satellites withit.
I don't know what.
I got six engines on it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
The wingspan is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
What do you?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
want to know Lee Well what I want to know is why the
thanks Bob?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Why don't we take and make like a maglev, like a
magnetic levitation, just highspeed trains and wherever, all
over Japan, china, i'm surethey're bullet trains.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It's a.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, bullet trains, but I wanted, i want to make
sure that we're using the righttechnology, which is why I'm
saying mag.
I don't want to signnecessarily an arbitrary number
to how fast they go, because Idon't know, but I want to make
sure we're using this technologybecause I think it'll be most
efficient.
Why don't we get spaceships upto like 300 knots on a maglev 12
mile long maglev train and getthem started and then Then hit
(19:40):
the jets and go?
Would that be more efficientthan going?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
for what's the point?
Why 300 knots?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You can't have bleachers on that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, that's also true.
So you're not starting fromzero, wouldn't that take a while
?
The way that you're explainingit, it's your horizontal.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I looked this up before I looked up this question
.
Well, at the end it can be likea launch ramp.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't know where the train goes per se Once it
launches.
I looked.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I literally looked this up before because I had the
same idea in my head.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Maybe it needs a little bit of a plan for them.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
There was a reason why it doesn't make sense, and I
can't remember what it was.
Well, it needs a little bit ofwings.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So like, let's say, we use the space shuttle as kind
of somewhat of a template.
Just give that some biggerengines and more fuel, launch it
horizontally.
Top-throttle dragster.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, basically yeah or no, maybe the ramp.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Maybe the way that it is aligned on the thing has
like a little bit of the thingas you approach the critical
speed turns up like the top.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, it's.
They couldn't even figure thatout, though They closed that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Let me ask you a question Is this worth it or
like?
is this one of those?
can an airplane take off on aconveyor belt, things?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
This is awesome.
It gets such a big argumentover that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The airplane can definitely take off on a
conveyor belt, because thewheels are just.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Absolutely it cannot, scott Boris, is it can, the
wheels would just spin fasterand the plane would move forward
.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Stop it, stop it right now.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Do you have the?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
brakes on How well lubricated is.
Are the wheels?
As long as you have, as long asyou have good wheel bearings,
it's going to take off.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Let's say they're abec 5 No.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Rollerblades.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yes, do you have good wheel bearings?
because if you do, it's goingto take off.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So what if the wheel, if the conveyor belt was moving
?
would the things staystationary, right?
What thing?
The airplane.
The wheel bearings are turningon the airplane, while the
convertible is rolling.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, it's like a treadmill.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, so does the airplane say stationary or does
it go with the treadmill?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, Why would it go with the treadmill?
It has wheel bearings.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So you're agreeing with Barb then?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, we don't agree No we don't agree, it would take
off.
Of course it would take off.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It would not take off .
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You're saying it would travel with the.
It would travel against thetreadmill because it doesn't
matter.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Which would be stationary?
No, it would move forward, yes,it would.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh my God, you guys are very good.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You guys are very good, If you're No.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Scott, stop it right now.
If you're walking up a downescalator, are you moving?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I'm not being powered by thrust, i'm being powered by
my legs.
Which are your thrusts?
Which?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
are your thrusts, if your?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
thrust is not dependent on what's attached to
the ground, then you're going tomove forward.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
No, exactly No, you're going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
If, instead of legs, you just had a shape of a circle
of stair things?
so you?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
could have a wheel going up and down the escalator
Against a conveyor belt.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The wheels are going to be spinning faster, but the
plane is going to be movingforward at the same speed it
normally would be No, it depends.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It would take a lot more takeoff run.
All you're simulating is ahigh-density altitude, low
performance thrust, lowperformance, everything else.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
As long as you're wheel bearing.
You just made that a lot moreWatch, watch watch.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
This won't be a perfect simulation Wheel
conveyor belt.
This won't be great.
It's going to suck, it's notgoing to prove anything.
It's not going to work.
It's not going to proveanything.
But I want, can't you?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Do you want to grab the?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
treadmill.
No, i'm sorry, am I the onlyone?
who knows that this is notgoing to take off.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
No Well, how long will it take?
We don't know the excess amountof thrust you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You can be a rubber band propeller, balsa wood train
, you can have as much thrust asyou want.
No, no, no, it's not a thrustthat takes off an airplane No no
, no.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Have you ever heard of Saturn 5?
Yeah, it needs no takeoff run,right Yeah.
So, I understand.
I'm on your side.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bart, that's a rocket ship.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Power to weight ratio .
What else is there?
I don't know what else.
The?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
thrust is literally going back, not down.
The thrust is going backwards.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yes, but remember that propeller puts some
artificial air flow across theairfoil.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Not enough.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You don't know, we have not isolated all those
variables.
For the most part, you take aproduction airplane and you size
it right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yes, i agree with you Can a 747 take off on a
conveyor belt?
That's what they always post No.
It's a practical answer.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Hold on, i did not know this was a thing.
So am I?
Don't pay me in a freakingquarter of a million.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh, there's like Can a 747 take off on a conveyor
belt.
The practical answer is yes A747 engine produce a quarter of
a million pounds of thrust.
Each pound of thrust ispowerful enough to launch a
bronchosaurus straight up.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
What kind of force?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No matter what is happening on the treadmill and
wheels.
The plane is going to moveforward and take off, yes, bam.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But we already established a power weight ratio
.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's the same thing if it was like you were on an
icy lake and just locked up theparking brake and hit the
thrusters.
It's still going to take off.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yes, that's why I tried to isolate beforehand.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Where's the lift From the forward motion?
From the forward motion, Thewind.
What forward?
So you assuming that the air?
are you in a vacuum?
or something Like what do you?
No, you're not moving forward.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You're going to move forward?
Yes, you are.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You are moving forward.
That was Google.
I'll do a chat to be teasedfirst.
The conveyor belt is onlymoving a direction at a certain
speed.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So if you have a thrust whatever you want to call
it that exceeds, that It's atreadmill Right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, it must be overwhelmed right now, okay.
All of our audience watchinglive chat gpc right now.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You're saying if you have enough thrust to go faster
than the treadmill is goingbackwards, you're going to take
off.
It doesn't matter how fast.
the rest of the time It's goingto drive off the treadmill and
at that point you're taking offon the ground.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
The wheels are going to take off The wheels are just
going to just spin out ofcontrol.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Because, in theory, the treadmill is always just
going to match the wheel speed.
I believe in every time thisquestion came up, but it doesn't
matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So you're Hold on, hold on.
You're trying to say, as if thewheel speed always matches the
treadmill speed.
So you're trying to say, ifsomething's.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, because if it doesn't, then it drives off the
treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, which is Ford motion which creates lift.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, at that point you're not taking off a
treadmill, you're taking off theground because you drove off
the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
How long is the treadmill?
I'm talking an infinitetreadmill.
I don't know.
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They always, I believe they always in the
example, always.
It's a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It would have to be a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean how long It would have to be way longer than
a runway Mathematically.
think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You would need Everybody's disputing that.
All you are is simulating a low, that same airfoil at a high
density altitude.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You have chat GPT on your phone.
That's all you're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, it's going to be a higher ground speed.
Okay, i don't disagree withthat.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I thought we were on a treadmill.
That ended.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
At when?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
At when, i don't know , that's why I assumed we were
driving off the treadmill.
And then you're taking off.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, treadmills are typically only like four or five
feet long.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The examples I've heard of.
It's an unlimited lengthtreadmill.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, it has to be.
I think it's why we've beentalking about it.
If it's a normal treadmill,it's five feet long and a
740-tonne is going to take offit.
Obviously it doesn't work.
We crushed the treadmill.
We're out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's pellet time making a treadmill.
Yes, that is exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
They do tread, tread.
We'd crush the treadmill.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And the Brontosaurus, and the Brontosaurus.
What a terrible metricBrontosaurus.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Hold on, i know.
First off, we have togenetically engineer the
Brontosaurus And that's going totake 20-something out of yours,
probably, for it to grow tomaturity.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Oh, it's 9 o'clock out of here, is it really?
Yes, you got to shut it down.
Barb, thank you so much, thankyou so much, no problem, good
job everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, everybody especially Scott, especially
Barb.
Good job myself, Good job, Goodjob Scott.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I did everything great.
Yep, i did so great, broke themall.
Everything great.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And this as soon as we get on, of course.
Scott Stuck continues talkingLike American World War.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
This is like 3, 2, 1.
Okay, 3, 2, 1, man Intro backin.
Well, I'm going to go back tothe beginning.
We'll cut intro back in.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Bathroom break or anything.
Yeah, we'll do bathroom.
We'll do five minutes.
We think of something just likewhen's your birthday?
Oh, what's your social security?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
number two What's your account and routing number?
I want to see if it's the sameas mine.
Yeah.
Similar The routing is thefirst one.
The account's the second oneOkay.
You're going to go first.
Scott that file, All right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, yeah, So yeah, there's just so much like oh, I
want to understand it And I'mlike I'm in the mode of
extracting information out ofyou now Like I want to know,
Like because I've been there.
I stopped guys.
Dude, this is stop.
Like you just yell it Like youdon't.
like there's no, there's noprofessionals anymore.
Like you're in a car, it's likestop.
Like you put your hand out andyou're like, stop, like you're
(29:23):
going to stop them from walkingacross the street, even though
they're driving an airplane.
Yeah, just put your hand out,stop.
You know that's crazy Like whenthe CFI went shush.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, i got it.
I got shushed, just like that.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
So is it an adjustment, doing that from like
CFI, or using your left hand,and then you work with the
captain and you're using yourright?
I guess you have that firstofficer transition where you're
not doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I guess, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Have you literally done that in the plane where you
?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
put your arm out.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Why don't you just get on the controls on your side
in that situation?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Because my feet are flat on the floor, because I
trust the guys I fly with.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, then sound like That's the dip.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well if they do something stupid, i like I tell
them to stop, like I'm sayingthat I did.
If they keep going, i will geton the controls, Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, you don't.
So here's the thing You don'twant to undermine.
You don't want them to secondguess your trust in them.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You don't want to have communications, all those
sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You don't want any communication breakdown in the
future.
You want to talk CRM.
We could talk CRM all day.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We could talk CRM all day.
That's right.
Crm, crt, we're all into it.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, crm is a big one Andlike a lot of that.
I think not CRM, but it's likecockpit etiquette And just
there's.
There's like don't go press abutton if you're not going to
tell me what you're doing.
(30:50):
Yeah, that is super important,you're you just don't want to do
anything to erode any trustbetween the two of you.
It's just the two of you thathave to manage worst case
scenario and best case scenario,so it's like you don't want to
do anything from the get.
Go to think there is adisproportionate of power or
anything like that, like we'reboth equally qualified in the
(31:12):
airplane.
The only thing that may matteris maybe seniority with the
company.
Other than that proficiencylevel is the same, everybody's
the same is the way I like tothink about it, and so what I do
like and I'm very conscious ofit when I'm flying with a guy I
don't.
My hands are flat, like they'renot anywhere near the controls,
(31:33):
my feet are flat on the floor.
I'm not riding along with themin any sense.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
When you're flying with a guy.
What if you're flying with afemale that you're ready to take
over any second.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Then I don't want to fly, then I don't want to fly.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Okay, No, no, no Yeah that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why would you?
I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, when Lee has a female, you can't see him.
I don't know if you can see myhands.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
When.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Lee has a female student.
he's like this the whole time,Just ready to grab the controls.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I don't take female students.
That's where you're wrong.
I just don't take them.
Just don't take them.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, you all.
You failed the pre-screen, thepre-screen.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Without first box.
you had to check.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You failed You failed the pre-screening Male, female
no no, not happening Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yes, yeah.
So I try to really make surethat it's bicameral.
You know what I mean.
It's an equally sharedresponsibility, it's an equally
shared proficiency thing, sothat they feel at ease to make
(32:44):
some of their own decisions andwhatever, not feel like there's
training wheels on or anythinglike that.
So I try to go out of my way.
That's really annoying.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, that's really annoying.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I always got to turn it off upstairs.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
The noise I don't hear anything.
Ding, ding, ding, whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, it's not, It's still going No, it's over here.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You got to use that mouse there that I could
probably reach.
Hit this miss over here.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's gone now.
It's gone now.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You should have listened to the annoyance
beforehand.
What's?
you doing with that cube overthere, lee, i don't know, I just
got this 30 seconds ago Youalready fixed it, yeah.
It was sitting here when.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I was here.
Oh okay, I thought you weregoing to like do a demonstration
with it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, so cubes fly.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, apparently they do these days.
Balloons Yeah, they're just thealiens.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, oh cute, it's the most aerodynamic shape.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, but anyways, i mean, the aliens are probably
using automated systems, don'tyou think?
You don't?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
think they're still flying it by hand, are they?
Oh no, they're definitelyflying it by hand, You think?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
so Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
They got 10 hands in two brains, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But don't you think they'd just be smart enough to
make the system do what it wants?
No, they make the slits.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I don't think so.
They weren't smart enough tokeep that balloon high enough.
I mean, we saw it.
We let it sit there for days.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah.
You know, Well, that's so Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Definitely not smart enough.
Which one, which one are youtalking about?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, For a second there.
I thought it might be being alittle bit what's the a little
bit racist for calling theChinese aliens.
What are we?
how did it go here?
You just walk away.
I could fill up one drinkupstairs.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So we have been.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Bob's referring to Asian people as aliens and it's
kind of offensive to be, honest.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Especially the women.
Eight watching, seven watchingnow, so they're drinking, going
down Jack Clarky 20.
We're totally like, more thanever, we're like all on the, the
guests.
So just want to say hey, tylerand Jack, and D Freed I don't
know who D Freed is, oh, danFriedman, dan Friedman.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'd assume so.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was good, just putting that together
, we were all good.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Guess what It was recording using the AirPod
microphones the whole time.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He probably.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh yeah, i sent you a mic, i just switched it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I didn't even see the mic, so Yeah, cause it's here.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Oh wow, but um, i wish I would've known that it
was right there.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I could've told you that this whole time.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You're definitely not close enough to it.
You're definitely not closeenough to it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I haven't seen the last episodes.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You have to put your face on the microphone Just in
it.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, that was better, maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Tap on it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Oh yeah it's coming through the mic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's goodIt is now, because I had it
switched.
I switched it.
Cool, cool Kids these days.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well, it seemed.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I told you.
I told you Automation andtechnology.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
The divisiton of the flight deck.
That's why we need to replaceall humans.
I'm sure that's well on the way, just ask.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
AI.
All right no need for humans.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
So I'll leave this in front of my face.
We did discuss Is that better?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The sound quality is better.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Much better.
Oh sorry, It's all right, We'veall been there.
You've seen the show Jesus Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Hey, you're not supposed to agree with this,
just kidding You guys.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
it's very professional.
Yeah, that's a reputation.
Thank you for noticing.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
My goal is for people to say, wow, scott's so
professional.
Yeah, that's the mark, scottwants to leave on aviation.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Scott is so professional You know he knew
7600.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I did So, i think he can just get up and walk.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
He knows more than he lets on.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically a genius, but I don't
want to get kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You can't give him anything, because then he does
that shit.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I'm basically a genius.
No, it's OK, i'm basically agenius, but I don't want to get
kidnapped by the CIA and thenthey'll make me do stuff for
them.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
So I just pretend to be an idiot?
Yeah, that's the only reasonhe's still with us.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I've actually put him on the spot more I will.
What, If you need me to put youon the spot more I?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
will OK what I've actually.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Let's not do too much of that.
I think I'm actually out.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I've actually outsmarted the government by
pretending that I'm not smart.
Because, they'll kidnap me andmake me do stuff for them.
Yep, yep, all right.
Um, on that amazing note.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just picture like a dog on a beach ball for a treat
.
That's all that picture A whatA dog like balancing on a beach
ball for a treat.
Why, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I picture like oh, the government's going to make
me do stuff for them, like medoing tricks?
OK, barb, do you need a breakreal quick?
Are you good right now?
Just start.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm good OK.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We ready?
Can we pick up where thisconversation left?
off Probably not, it's notgoing to make sense unless I
start an episode.
All right, i really liked wherethat was going.
I had more I wanted to say onthe topic.
We'll get out of your systemfor like a couple minutes.
I got the idea for that.
There was this guy that waslike not right in the head, that
used to come by the motorcycleshop all the time And he
(38:16):
literally told us that he was VMax.
No, it wasn't him.
Ok, it was an old guy, though,and he was like kind of off.
But he told us that he was sosmart that they studied him when
he was in school and that theCIA like took him and the
government took him and theylike studied his brain to try to
figure out how his brain works,all this stuff.
(38:38):
I don't think he was tellingthe truth.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
That sounds like.
Definitely not true.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
A lot of older guys out there.
I wouldn't say a lot, butthat's not completely out of the
realm of who I'd assume wouldbe at a time So after he said
that told that story and Irealized how smart I was.
I was like I better, i betterdumb myself down, i need to be
worried.
Yeah, because I was like ifthey came for him, they're
definitely coming for me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, And even with this tinfoil hat more often Yeah
.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's more like I'm using this as a joke for the
rest of my life, when it comesup.
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