EP 41: Throwback Episode - Targeting Cobia with Capt. Joey Leggio - Fat Dad Fishing Show

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Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (00:00):
Hey , fat Dad Nation.
It is time for a throwbackepisode.
This one is Targeting Cobiawith Captain Joey Leggio, who
was a guest on this showoriginally in September 12th
2022.
We're going to talk aboutTargeting Cobia off of the coast
of New York.
One quick note Captain Leggiois currently recovering right
now from a prop strike where hewent overboard was struck by the

(00:23):
prop.
He's recovering right now.
There is a GoFundMe linked inthis podcast, so if you can jump
in there, throw a coupledollars towards him.
It's going to be a longrecovery and obviously he's not
able to be on the water workingright now, so help him and his
family out.
We're hoping to have CaptainLeggio back on the show very
soon.
So here we go.

Joey Leggio (00:44):
You have to capitalize on it.
You might get that one chanceto get it.
Have those rods ready, haveyour chunk baits ready, have
lures ready, because 90% of thattime there's a follower or
multiple followers.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (01:01):
Hello , welcome to the Fat Dad Fishing
Show live stream and podcast.
My name is Rich Natoli.
I am the regular host of thisshow and today we are being
joined by co-host Ed Gobo, ownerof Captain Hank's Tackle.
Ed, how you doing?
I'm doing good, man Doing good,excellent, excellent.
You know it's funny.
I never scripted it out, but Iseem to say the exact same thing

(01:24):
for every podcast and livestream.
It's kind of made itself intoits own thing here.
I'm really excited about thisone and we're going to jump into
it in a couple of minutes.
We're going to do our normalstuff before we bring our guest
on, but we have Captain JoeyLeggio on and we're going to
talk about Cobia and his questfor figuring out this new

(01:48):
fishery up in New York.
And we know about new fisheriesdown here.
We have Cobia down here in NewJersey.
The guys south of us are like,yeah, cobia, they're all over
fishing the Chesapeake and thatarea.
But something different for usup here in the northern areas.
And you know, we just hadCaptain Halkius on a few weeks

(02:09):
ago and he was saying you can'tcatch Kobe up there or they're
not worth targeting.
Well, au contraire, my friend,we have Captain Joey coming on
and he's working his way throughit and he's figuring it out, so
we're going to talk about that.
Forget about everything elsethat we would normally talk
about.
I'm too excited, so we're goingto bring him on.
Let me just remove this reviewand bring on captain joey hey

(02:34):
guys, how you doing.

I'm good, how are you?

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (02:36):
guys doing well.
Welcome and thank you forcoming on.
I want to point out toeverybody that, uh, you are a
captain, but but right now wewant to talk about your youtube
channel.
So if you guys aren't followingfishing long island, you
definitely want to and that'swhere you're going to see.
You know we're going to talkabout the cobia, but you're
going to see the cobia over onthat channel there's a couple on

(02:57):
there.

Yes, there is yeah, they're.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (02:59):
They're nice.
There are some nice fish, soI've been spending some, some
extra time over there lately.
So if you're not subscribedover there I think a lot of
people are, but if you're notsubscribed over there, go over
and check it out.
It is going to be well worthyour time and you're also not
going to see captain joey outthere on a floating unicorn
inflatable floating around.

I did see that video, though I know exactly
which video you're talking.

Yeah , yeah, I was looking through.
You know I look through everyonce in a while for ideas on
what to do.
And yeah, you look up popularfishing videos.
See if there's a topic thatmaybe you can tackle in a
different way yeah and it's likethere literally was a guy
fishing in a toilet.
I'm like, okay, fishing in asewer.
The guys there's multiplepeople on inflatable unicorns

(03:45):
pretending that they're beingdragged forever.
You know, I caught this marlinand was dragged 40 miles
offshore.
Well, no, because you wereactually already 40 miles
offshore when you hooked itright, and then you just floated
around for a while beingfollowed by your camera crew
well that boat.

He's like oh, look at this guy out here, what is he
doing?

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (04:03):
I remember clearly yeah, I'm like
what the hell are you doing out?

here he goes.
Hey, I cooked this, barley, andit took me yeah, I totally
remember, exactly, exactly.

Yeah , you don't remember what I'm
doing out here.
I just jumped off your boat twominutes ago.

Yeah, so all the cameras yeah it's amazing over
youtube, like how these peoplejust really making careers out
of it, you know, and guys arereally capitalizing on it a lot.
You know which I was, but youknow, just to me it's a hobby
right now yeah, well, and I, I,I look at it like look I I think
I would like to do more with it, but I'm not going to do the

(04:35):
clickbait.

And there are some big, big name
youtube fishermen that have alot of people that follow them
and they've gone to pureclickbait and I've actually
stopped subscribing to them andthey've gone to pure clickbait
and I've actually stoppedsubscribing to them and they've
even done videos.
I'm sorry, I'm doing clickbait,well, okay, well, so now, but
now every video is clickbait, soI won't, I won't take a look at

(04:56):
it, but yours is not like thatat all and I appreciate that and
I think the viewers andlisteners here would as well, so
everybody go check it out.

It is what it is.
There's no clickbaits, there'sno take twos, it's straight.
And even when I edit the video,it goes from clip one to clip
10, and I just stitch themtogether.
I never really went to schoolon how to edit, it was just
something I took up as a littlehobby, had some fun doing it and
I enjoy it a lot.
It's a lot of fun.
I don't have much time,especially with the two little
guys running around, butsometimes I'll just sit where I

(05:26):
am right now in this spot in mykitchen table and just start
doing it.
My wife comes down at 2 o'clockin the morning.
She's like what the hell areyou doing?
I'm sorry, I get caught up, andit's fun, though it's cool to
put it on and look for the PNGfiles and stuff like that,

(05:49):
because I don't know how toPhotoshop, I don't know how to
take the backgrounds out, soother people have done it
already.
You could just share it and usethat stuff.

Right , which is pretty cool.
It makes the videos look nicer.
Yeah, I actually use Canva toremove the backgrounds and
everything like that.

Oh, we'll have to talk about that tomorrow.
I don't have a camera because Ilike to use it.

Yeah , well, we can share some tips
on that.
I've gotten good at findingthings that will help me to cut
the corners quickly, because I'mnot into graphic design, I am
not a video editor, I can justedit videos and you know I do my
best.

It is what it is.
It's definitely fun.
It is fun.

I've got Ed telling me you know what
would make your stuff betterand he's given me some things
and it sounds good, but it'sharder, after making all the
videos that I've made, it'sharder to implement than you
would think.
You know you get used to doingit one way and you know.
Anyway, I guess this is forpeople that have YouTube

(06:43):
channels.
Let's get back to the fishing.
Let's talk about your fishingup there, fishing Long Island.
Why don't you give everybodyjust kind of like an overview of
what your typical fishingseason looks like up there, what
you're targeting and how you'reapproaching?

it, sorry.
Well, basically we're startingoff with.
We used to start off withflounder, but like who catches
flounders anymore?
It's such a rarity to catchthem and we used to have a great
fishery.
We would head over basically toraritan bay anywhere over there
.
Corneal and flats was a greatspot, but that fishery has
completely died.
Then they gave us blackfish andyou know, starting april 1st.
Another thing it's kind of tough, the water's still cold, but we

(07:18):
get out there, we'll catch acouple fish, we get some codfish
and then from there it's thestriped bass and then from there
everything starts opening thefluke and everything.
And that's how it was.
And we noticed that the stripedbass fishery started slowing
down by us.
Like the Raritan Bay area,they're crushing it over there.
They're literally crushing itAll through the summer.
They catch them, but for methat's a hike for me to go there

(07:39):
.
I'm not going and taking mylittle 20-degree-foot skiff all
the way over there.
It's probably going to somewaters that could be a little
dangerous at times that tideturns.
You've got winds.
You're going through AmbroseChannel.
Hey, buddy, this is Frank.
Come inside real quick andwe've got to go.

Hey , buddy, thank you.
Kids are always welcome.
Kids and dogs are alwayswelcome on screen.

My wife would love that.
She loves dogs.
So you know, I stay basicallylocal, my inlets between Jones,
debs I'll shoot out to, maybe toRockaway, but that's basically
my limitations.
So then we noticed that thestripers by me weren't as good.
Now, whether it was differentpatterns they were taking, maybe
they were offshore.
I heard of some fish were beingcaught in Hudson Canyon, which
is like crazy to hear stripedbears out there.

(08:21):
You know, every year people aregoing further and like like wow,
you got to go into the federalwaters to even catch these
things, which you're notsupposed to.
You know so, but that was dyingoff.
Then, all of a sudden, we startgetting all these crazy sharks
now and they're doing thesecrazy blitz.
You look up like holy cow, whatthe hell's going on there?
You just see white water andyou have thousands of black tip
spinners, hammerheads, you knowpop, gray whites I've seen, and

(08:41):
then, following them, now comesthe cobia.
So once you start seeing thosesharks, those fish, those cobia
right there on their tail and Inow find myself just trying to
target them and it's like anaddiction, it's.

It's crazy and it's like you can't
stop well, you know they'rethere, right?
So I have this crazy addictionfor hunting for redfish in new
jersey.
So I know they're there, but Ihaven't caught them, which makes
it even more difficult.
So so you at least have a crazyaddiction that's based in some
kind of truth and reality,whereas I'm out there chasing

(09:19):
redfish.
I was out with ed last week andI think he was looking at me at
the end of the day like dude,just reel in.
Let's just get back to thelaunch.
Let's just get the hell out ofhere that was a long time.

You might catch.
You know you might look.

There was a tarpon that was put right
right, exactly, I know they'rearound, you know, and I'm
obsessed with trying to findthem and trying to figure it out
.
And ed was with me and it was along day and he just I could
tell he just wanted to go.
I'm like you can leave if youwant.
He's like no, it's fine, poorguy, but you're, but you're
having some success.

So how was your first year when and I want to
take everyone through like thewhole process- your first year
when you decided look, I'm gonnago out and try to catch some
cobia off in new york well, it'sbeen two years now since these
fish have been coming here and Iwas saying before, like we were
talking, you know, we've alwayshad them here but it was like
such a trophy if you caught one,you know, and it was like, wow,
this guy just caught a kobe, a20 pounder, 30 pounder.

(10:10):
It was a major trophy.
There wasn't a lot caught lastyear it was.
A good amount of fish came inlast year.
I didn't catch any landed.
I had two hooked.
Like I was saying, had one on alure I lost right away.
And then we had my buddy hadone on a bunker which he lost.
Those are the only two thisyear.
I changed it up and talked tomy couple of my friends how they
were doing things differently.
Like my buddy, anthony, hecatches a lot of them.
Actually his name is the CobiaKing now.

(10:33):
And he's out there doing it.
He's out there every day andyou know he said I'm sneaking up
on him, I'm not going.
I was going to the one side ofthe school and the wind would
push me through it and I wasgetting sharks after shark after
shark and it's frustratingbecause they destroy your gear.
You got to retire.
I was doing all all brightknots.
So it's a pain in the ass to doan all bright knot with fluoro
Right On the boat.

(10:53):
You're losing snag after snag.
It's like just taking $6 andthrow them in the water every
two seconds, cause the sharkswill kill me.
So I'm like what the hell am Idoing wrong?
How am I not catching these?
Why am I just getting thesesharks?
So I said, all right, I'm gonnatake what Anthony said and I'm
gonna try it.
So this year I changed it up alittle.
So what I did is that you don'twant to be downwind of anything
except when you're trying tocatch cobia.

(11:13):
So what we do is what he wassaying go up to the school.
Now I I noticed these fish,that they don't seem to get
frightened, but there's somereason why they're biting when
you're not destroying theschools up.
So what I did is I would comeup, I'd see which way the wind's
blowing, try to see which waythese schools are swimming, and
come up on the back side of them.
Now another thing I did is Iwatch a lot of videos where

(11:34):
cobia's are Virginia, florida,like what are they doing?
How are they catching thesefish?
And I've always noticed,whether it's stingrays, tiger,
sharks, whatever these fish arefollowing, they're always on the
tail end when they're followingthem.
So it kind of made sense.
So I go up and I don't castinto the school, I go as far as
I can.
I don't care if I'm a hundredfeet past the school, I'm

(11:54):
nowhere near them.
There's no splash, there'snothing that's going to frighten
the fish if they're on thatparticular school.
So we start reeling in, reelingin.
You start feeling bang, bang.
You start feeling him hittingthe line.
I'll snag one Now that bait ison the end, but I'm not.
I'm on the opposite end.
I might have a line out and thebait starts drifting through,
drifting through, driftingthrough.
I visually saw it with my owneyes when I hooked one.

(12:17):
They know when that bait isinjured instantly.
I came up and the fish swam tome on one particular day and I
see a cobia pop.
I'm like holy cow and theyexcite you so much and I still
go crazy like it was my firstone when I see, right, so holy
shit, there's a cobia.
So I'm on the other end of theschool, I snag a bunker.
The second I snag this bunker,I sweaty this fish like honed in

(12:40):
on and zoom, shot to it andboom I it on and I ended up
losing the fish right next tothe boat too.
I was like holy cow, like howdid he know that that fish was
injured?
So you know, and it was so faraway, it was literally on the
other side of this bunker spool.
So they definitely they knowthat.
Also, my tackle, I do trydifferent pounds.
I go like a 40-pound testfluoro a, a 50 and a 60.

(13:06):
I haven't gone over 60.
I was trying to do mostly 60because of the sharks, right,
but sometimes I'm using 40.
But I've always been using thefluoro too.
I like the fluoro.
It's stronger, it's more, youknow, abrasive resistance and
stuff you know for it now let meask you, kobe, they're
migratory, right?

Ed Gobbo (13:21):
so what is?
What is the process of actuallyfinding them?
Like you know?
Does somebody just say, ohthey're here, like they'll go
out and see them one day, orlike these, because I've seen
like boats down south.
They have these giant towers onthem and they're like searching
the water.
I mean, you don't have a gianttower on your boat, correct?
No, I don't have a giant towerat all I don't get specific, but

(13:42):
get you know just the idea ofhow you think they're on the the
tails of the sharks.

I think once you get those black tips and
spinners up here, I thinkthey're right there with them.
You know we get a lot of thecow nose rays.
They're on the tails of the cownose too.
You'll see them sometimes.
You see those big, huge schoolsof cow nose.
You'll see some cobia'sfollowing them too.
Not on everyone, but you know,you try to look.
You know, like I tried structurethis year.
I tried something different tosee, you know, and we shot out
offshore to see some of thestructure that was out there and
say, oh, maybe it'll be there.

(14:07):
We were casting bunkers.
We didn't get touched.
But you know what?
It's an experiment and if Iwould have scored it would have
been a hero that day, it wouldhave been great.
But listen, you don't knowuntil you try it.
Take what these and let's mimicit up here, because we do have
the fish now coming up here.
Now we've got to try to getthem.
One of the things we weretalking about is that, instead
of using the bunkers getting thesharks, why not get blue claw

(14:28):
crabs?
Go to night before, catch abunch of blue claw crabs and
maybe you won't get the sharks.
At that point Maybe you willjust target the cobia.
I didn't do that this year, butnext year.
That's something now I'm goingto implement and try it and see
if that will help me out alittle too.
So you're always thinking,always trying to change your
game.
And one of the things aboutfishing and I don't care what
anybody says you're never goingto stop learning.
So any of these guys that patthemselves on the back, that

(14:50):
know everything, they're justfoolish, because it's always
changing and you always got tochange your game to learn new
things.
Yeah, there's always a hundredmethods that'll work.

I love when people get in
arguments.
Yeah, you know, I love whenpeople get in arguments.
Well, that's not how you do itReally, because I know this
other guy who's reallysuccessful doing it that way.
Exactly Just because you don'tdo it that way, there are a lot
of things that I don't do thatare really successful for other
people that aren't successfulfor me.
So I think there is part ofthat where you want to, you want
to try things out Right, andsometimes, yeah, and I think

(15:23):
confidence goes into a lot ofthings.
I know that there are thingsthat I can't catch fish on
different techniques and it'sbecause I'm just not confident
in myself and I think it kind oftransfers through to that lure
way too often.

I definitely have to believe in it too, what you
use, and you have to believe inyour taggle.
You know you have to feelconfident, Like you're saying.
You have to feel confident likeyou're saying.
You have to believe in thatlure.

You know, yeah, there's certain top
waters that everyone says, oh,just use this.
I'm like I can't because Iwon't catch anything.
Yeah, I have too muchexperience not catching on that.
I know it's a great lure, Iknow it's a great top water, but
it's not what I'm going to use.
I'm going to use a spook junior, or I'm going to use a spook
because that's what I'm good atand that's where I catch all my
fish.
So if they're hitting thisother thing this well, I can put

(16:07):
talking popper in there, butlet's say, a pencil popper.
I don't do well with those, andthat's just my fault, I guess.
But yeah, you got to try outdifferent things.
I fully agree with you.
If you think you've learned itall, you need to just get over
yourself and admit that youhaven't Definitely, and just be
ready to continue learning.
Now, when you're going outthere, though, you're looking

(16:28):
for the schools of sharks rays,something like that.

And the bunker.

And the bunker.
Well, yes, and the bunker.
Now, how are you looking forthem?
Are you looking specificallyfor blitzes of either sharks or
striped bass or something likethat, or bluefish, or are you
just looking mainly on your fishfinder as you're heading out?

Definitely look at the fish finders, but what I'm
looking for is definitely I liketo see the color.
You'll see those purple hues alot of times In the early
mornings.
A lot of times they're not up,they're right below the surface
and it's hard on the angle ofthe sun.
Obviously, the higher the sunis up, the better you're going
to see the bait.
But uh, if the fish are on them, they're definitely acting
different.
Those schools they're poppingharder, they're swimming harder.
They're up more in the surface.
You'll see them.
The sharks sometimes usuallyjump and the spinners are just

(17:11):
free jump.
You know, I'm sorry if I'mtalking fast.
I think that's a little island.

I mean, I talk very nah go right
ahead, man, all good but sothat's one thing.

going out of the inlet, you're basically looking
for the bunker schools you knowand you see, and then if you
happen to find the sharks, yeah,they're going to be there too,
they're together.
But sometimes you'll have abunker school that's all sharks
and it's annoying and actuallyI'll talk about go back.
I actually changed my tacklebecause of this Because, like I
was saying before, I was sickand tired of losing $6 bunker
snags, one after another.
So what you do is, once youfind them, snag a bunker.

(17:42):
Let's say, give it a couplecasts, three casts, four casts.
If you're not getting anythingor you're just getting sharks,
go to another school and seewhat's there.
Bounce around, don't just focuson that one school.
I found this school.
This is it.
There's my cobia.
They might not be on thatschool.
You might find a school thatmight have tons of spinner

(18:02):
sharks.
So move around, don't be afraidto look and definitely don't
jump on other people.
If you see some guy like we'reworking our butts off trying to
find these schools, if we findit, they just don't come on to
somebody.
It's like casting your baitsover our lines because now
there's definitely the kobeain't going to be there, right,
you got all the splashing andbooming and snagging, but hell
with this.
I'm out of here, you know soyeah, I think it's interesting.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (18:24):
In in the chat we have david cohen
saying you know, using a droneto see the the schools of rays
or sharks could be helpful Idon't know, do you use a drone
at?

all we did and he lost it.
It fell it crashed in the water.
The battery died.
He lost it, but we did it thefirst time.
And, uh, you can look at hisvideos.
It's raf, so we outdoors youcan check out his videos.
He will see three cobiaswimming in the school.
It's super cool.
You can check that video out.
And we caught them that day too.
And now it's one of the days,like I was telling you that on
that one trip that we had thedrone up.

(18:55):
I had one right away and thefish jumped up, shook its head
off, you see it, and it shookthe bait out of its mouth.
So I lost it.
Then my buddy, pete, hooks upand he's reeling it in.
He's like Kobe Kobe and ofcourse the craziness starts.
I'm not going to lie, I'm likea little kid.
So he's reeling it in.
He's like Joey, joey.
He goes holy shit.
This follows, this follows.
It was seven of them following,but I had to put music over it

(19:23):
to get all the cursing out of it.
But it looks like this instantly.
So now Dave's rod is wrappingover Pete's rod.
I'm like holy cow.
So I'm trying to grab Dave'srod and he's fighting me over it
.
He doesn't realize.
I'm just trying to help him toget them untangled, because
everybody knows what happenswith braid on braid.
It's an instant.
So long story short, they gotthe two on All of a sudden.

(19:44):
I had my rod.
I put it down because I went toget the gaff.
That rod bends over now butthat pops up.
We lose that.
So finally I see Pete gets up.
I get his fish in the boat.
We got the first one in.
Dave now starts bringing hisinto the boat and Dave was
actually very smart on this one.
What he did is he didn't.
He kept it away from the boat,which was very, very smart on

(20:06):
his part, and he brought it inafter we had the other fish
gaffed.
Well, guess what?
When he brought that fish in,it was followers.
Raph now cast the debate.
He hooks up.
So now, on that, we had fourfish lost, one on my rod.
Pete's got his on and dave haspieces, pieces in the boat.

(20:27):
Dave's still fighting his fishand now raf is hooked up.
So dave gets to the boat, Ihook his fish.
I mean, I get his fish get inthe boat and then raf loses his
fish right there, as thathappens.
So the whole point of that isthat that's how you capitalize
on them.
Everybody was ready, everybodyhad baits.
You saw the school come in withyou know the one hook when they
were all following him.
You know that's how you'regoing to capitalize.
So we basically could have likea limit right there, right, one

(20:47):
fish that was hooked.

And I think another good point is
all of you were.
Despite the craziness and theexcitement, you, you, you
respected the rule of followersin the school, and when you have
followers, you keep a fish atleast one of the fish that's
hooked up in the water right,otherwise they go away.
It's like mahi fishing exactly,exactly like that yeah and I.
We had shared off air beforethat.

(21:11):
I man, the best mahi I evercaught, I violated that you get
excited, you do yeah, I got soexcited and I I pulled it out of
the water and the school leftand and the one that I got was
not even the big one, and it wasa decent one.
Man, I felt bad.
I felt really bad, except forthe fact that we were trying to

(21:32):
run away from a thunderstorm, sowe really needed to leave
anyway.

I don't know Life fish.
I go with the fish.

It's really hard to leave.
You know, when you see what itwas is.
They were chasing flying fishand we could see the flying fish
skipping and you know, westopped and we're thinking it
was tuna and we were out tunafishing.
We're just running back in toget away from the storm and next
thing, you know, you see, youknow, you see the neon lights
underneath you and you're like,well, that's mahi once you see

(21:58):
the neon colors.
So we just took a whole bigthing of butterfish and just
threw it out all around the boatand they all came right at the
boat and I hooked one up.
But as soon as I pulled it outthey literally just bolted yeah
and I felt bad.
But it's the same principlewith Cobia.
Absolutely when you have thefollowers, yep 100%, and also
the rig.

I was talking about how I changed my rig.
I used to use just like youwould snag for stripers, have a,
you know, treble hook.
Well, now you can't do thatanymore anyway, but you have
your standard.
Just don't go snag treble hookweighted and we would snag them.
And a lot of guys are catchingthe Kobe's that way.
So I just said you know what,I'm changing it up.
Number one I didn't like itbecause it's got a lot of weight
.
I think it's a plain treblehook and you know what a knocker

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rig is.
You have the egg sinker on iton top.
So I get a small quarter ounce,nothing more than a half ounce,
anything between like a quarteror a half ounce weight.
Put it on there and I'm goingfour feet.
I'll be the 40, 50 or 60 fluoro.
And now I'm using a swivel fortwo reasons it gives you
something to grab to hold on toin case you do have sharks all
right, it's a lot quicker to tieif you know you have the sharks

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, instead of having to startdoing albrights on the boat.
There's excitement, your fingersare wet, you know it's.
It's still made it so mucheasier and if you number one,
you're saving a lot of moneywhen you're losing them to the
sharks.
Now you're just losing thetreble, treble hook.
You usually get the weight toslide back up to your hand and
snip it off right but Idefinitely think that rig that
I've been using has definitelyhelped me out quite a bit with

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that and I just think the fishare swimming a little better.
It has that weight now, insteadof it being on, maybe it's
pulling down a little, makingthem swim a little different.

Ed Gobbo (23:34):
Right.

Because those fish are known.
If that fish is injured,something's going on and
actually another trick we coulddo.
If your fish now is snag andyou haven't gotten a hit and now
he just becomes part of theschool again, you know what you
can do is take your rod and justlike pop it like this a couple
of times and it dispersed thebait that's there and now the
only thing that's left is thatone fish with the hook in it
that's injured.

Just sitting out there all in the
open, looking injured Right.

So that's another thing that could help you too.
So eventually you know the fishgets up, they run, they come
back together and they swim.
You'll see your bunker startswimming back to the school.
Let them run back into theschool and it's popping.
You literally will see the baitgo.

Ed Gobbo (24:12):
Since we're on the topic of baits and tackle and
stuff, mike Mara is asking doyou like using the buck towels
with the long tails that aremade for Kobe?

I think he's talking about the flare hawks.
Yeah, I know that, that's whatare you using?

Ed Gobbo (24:25):
are you using artificials or are you mostly
bunker and and live bait bunkers?

but my rod that I have ready to fire in case
someone else has one.
I have a uh, it's a gravitytackle, I believe the big eels
he has.
I don't know if you ever sawhis tackle.
It's a pretty sick lure and itswims unbelievable.
But it sucks because thefreaking bluefish love it as
well yeah, the second they hitit it's gone.
Just throw it away.
I've used that.
The one I hooked up on thelordo.
That one time was actually anal gags, uh, whipping eel fish,

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which is another really goodlure, great stripe of lure.
That's the one I actuallyhooked the fish up on the lure
uh, last year, not this year.
But uh, bucktails work great.
I know people that have caughtthem with bucktails, with a fat
cow strip or something to thatnature, and you know, work those
and that's all they use downsouth either the flare, the
flare tails.

Ed Gobbo (25:05):
I think they're called too like a flare bucktail
they'll use flare hawks, butthey're they're like a synthetic
bucktail with like a real longstrip down the bottom it's.
They're kind of strange, Ithink first light makes those
two right.

First light tackle, I believe, makes those with a
long strip on the back, on thebottom yeah, I don't know pretty
sure, but that's basically havea rod ready, have that, that
bucktail, ready, because they'llhit that as well.
I like the chunk bait becauseit's less of a chance of the
bunker swimming and gettingtangled.
It's just basically naturallyjust flowing, you know, and it
goes away and you don't have tocast right on top of the fish

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that's up.
You cast a little behind it, alittle above it, or just so get
it away from that fish, you know, and they'll, they'll just say,
and they'll say it, they'llcome right to it and eat it.
And that's definitely the wayto.
You know, do your best andcapitalize on one.

So when you find these schools
that you're going to startfishing, so okay.
So it sounds like, for the mostpart, you're going to start off
trying to snag some of thebunker and going to leave it
snagged, and that's how you'researching with that.

Well, first, we get a couple in the boat too.
We always want to have a coupleboats in the bait and the bait.
Well, this way we're ready.
In case we do get the one fish,we have other baits that are
ready to go.
You know, you can cast out achuck or cast out another livey,
which is no problem.

Okay , so you do that.
You have it on that rig, theknocker rig.
I really like that weightsbecause you're right as soon as
you it.
I've never used those bunkersnags, you know everyone was
complaining.
Well, now you have to switch itto a circle hook for striped
bass.
I'm like I did that anywaybecause I hated having that huge
four or five ounce thing on therod.

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I don't like fishing stripedbass with rods that heavy,
unless I absolutely have to.
But I like the idea of usingthat, that lighter treble and
that lighter.
But how are you fishing it?
So you snag it up?
Are you just letting it go, orare you trying to get it down
below the school of bunker?
Or are you kind of moving itout to the outside, or are you
just letting it go?

I'm letting it do its thing and just trying to
make it act erratic by popping arod here and there.
Okay, trying to make it lookdifferent than all the others
and let the fish know it'sinjured.

Okay , all right, so it's not one of
these.
Like weak fish, get below theschool and they'll be sitting
down there.
It's going to be anywhere onthe periphery, maybe underneath,
but you're generally sounds tome like you're generally up top.

Up top or a few feet below.
I noticed that when I wasfishing the other way.
I would go up above the schooland then have it drifting.
Through the prior year I wouldtake a three-way with a leader
and a heavy sink and drop itdown to the bottom and just call
sharks.
Every single time Not sayingit's not going to work.
It might work.
It hasn't worked for me.
It was always a shark in that.

Well , to your point, sharks do sit
underneath any bait school.
That's getting blitzed becausethey can just grab everything
that comes down, all the headsand all the tails.
Yeah, they're just grabbing thescraps.
They don't have to be up therewith the spinners and the black
tips.
That's where you probably endup catching, like a lot of the
browns and exactly and the otherspecies that aren't necessarily

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going to be full speed.

You know blue shark going crazy going it's funny it
is a lot of browns we wouldcatch on that way and all the
spinners and the black tips onthat surface, which are a lot of
fun.
You know those, they jump,they're.
They're a very cool shark.
There's nothing wrong withcatching them on light spin gear
.
It's a lot of fun.
You sometimes you gottaactually chase them down.
It's just dumping you and youcan't stop these fish.

Yes , yeah definitely fun and you
ever catch any blue sharks whenyou're doing it.

No, I haven't caught them yet.
I've had blues spinners, browns, I guess, some duskies.
I heard of some bull sharks uphere that were caught, which was
pretty neat.

I always like the blue sharks,
even though they're not big,because they're so fast.
Those and Makos just have thatspeed.
Hammerheads are fantasticfighting fish, so I've never
hooked a hammerhead.

We have a lot of those over here now, man.

I've seen a lot.
I've targeted them.
I've seen some really, reallybig ones, but I don't know.
I guess they're smarter than mebecause I never was able to
fool one to grab one of my baitswhen I was out there fishing.

They fight good too .
It's another good fight infishing, fun Plus.
It's cool to see.
I like exotics.
I never caught a sheepshead uphere.
I'm dying to get a sheepshead.
My buddy has got a ton on hiskayak catch and I'm like I've
got to take you out there oneday.
I'm dying to get one.
Just to say I caught it in NewYork.
I've tried a couple times.

Ed Gobbo (29:20):
I know a guy that makes some jigs for them.
You do.

Ed , you're going to have to send
some up to them.
Yeah, definitely, the sheep'shead are fun.
I've actually caught a lot morethan I've put on video this
summer and they are a lot of fun.
But man, cobia is still on thatlist for me.
I haven't caught one, although Ialso haven't targeted them
specifically when I've been downSouth I have not put that on
the list of target and up in NewJersey, you know, when I had my

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boat, they weren't that big ofa thing.
It was like you were talkingabout it's like the trophy thing
that maybe you'd catch one, butyou'd be kind of a lunatic if
you targeted them.
Well, now you could target them, and it's funny, though, as I
look through on Facebook andInstagram and YouTube, there are
cobia caught in New Jersey, butthe real hoopla is up in New

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York.
That's where people seem to begetting into them day after day
after day.
So what's your thought on thefishery?
Is this something that you canjust go out target and say you
know what?
I have a reasonable chance ofcoming home with a today 100,
absolutely.

We've actually gone out and targeted them, and one
strictly for the kobe, andcapitalized and came home with
fish and to me, if you catch one, it's a great day.
Ready, it's done, it's alreadya great day.
If you have more than one,that's fantastic, yeah.
But uh, I, I mean, I don't knowhow to bait is up there.
We have just so much bunker byus.
It's like we're kind of like ina pocket, I guess, because if
you look at the way our inlet isdeb's inlet, that's where I'm

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out of deb's inlet, okay and youhave jones to the east and you
have rockway inlet to the rightthere to the west, and it just
seems like it's like almost likea little elbow if you look at
it, and maybe the bait isgetting stacked in there and
it's just sitting there.
I don't know.

I don't know why they come in
this way.
That's kind of my theory forwhy Atlantic City seems to get
the cobia and the biggerstripers than the Brigantine
Atlantic City areas, because youalso have that kind of little
alcove there where the statetakes a different direction at
that point.
And I don't know if it's trueor not, but you and I are
thinking the same thing.

It could hold the bait there for some reason.
There's a reason why the fishare in that area.
They are getting them down tothe east.
They had them off of FireIsland, they had them off of
Jones.
I don't know how far, but theydid have them.
But it seems like we have themost, the abundance of the like

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we had out of my inlet.
So I would go out theretrolling.
You would catch 10, 15 fish,all 30 pounds or better,
trolling with mojos and spoons.

Now it's like you're trolling, you
get like one how far up are youfrom the uh, from the raritan?

I think it's like to get to tip around.
I think it might be like 14miles and then to go deep back.
It's like 22 miles to get backover there.

All right, so close, but not well.
Yeah, and what size boat do youhave?

23 foot skiff.
Well, the ride's pretty, prettydecent.
It's like a normal skiff.
It has a nice ride on it.

But still, it's a skiff yeah,
without a doubt.
Yeah, if you're in a 30 footeryeah yeah, what was that, ed
that you were saying?

Ed Gobbo (32:35):
I said the raritan's, so big it turns up, you feel
like you're in the ocean, yeahoh yeah, you get out there in
the middle.

It's fun in a kayak because you get
out there and people are likewhat the hell are you doing here
?
It's like I don't know the samething as you, but man, it get
bad.
It can get bad quick, though.
You know.
You get that east wind coming in, or really east, northeast, and
all of a sudden that swellstarts pushing in on the
outgoing oof yes get nasty likethat, and it's not just nasty
for the, it's probably lessnasty for the kayaks than it is

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for the boats, because then yougot some really crazy stuff
going on there.
So when, during the season, areyou thinking of starting to
target the Cobia?
Are you starting, you know,drop the boat in the water.

As soon as I see those sharks.
The second I see those sharkscoming.
I know they're blacked outtoday I'm going for them.
It just seems like they'reright, they come together.
It seems like they're allswimming up the coast and it
seems like they all show up atthe same time.
Again, I'm no master at this.
I only have basically now twoyears of experience doing this.

Right .

So that would be my theory, and every year you're
going to learn something newabout them.
What's going on with?
That's what I found out so farand when did that start?

did that start this year around
july?

it might even be june.
They started coming.

I have to look back on my log.
Is my facebook?

I look back at my pictures on facebook.
Yeah, yeah I hear.

I was trying to time adjust for
when we started seeing sharksdown here and we started seeing
them, I think, mid to late julyor june.
So I was thinking maybe it's alittle longer before we went a
couple hundred miles north, butagain, anything near that.
Raritan is just different.
I don't know what it is aboutthe raritan right now.
It used to be the delaware bay.
You just had this awesomefishery, you know, within 20, 30

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miles of that.
Now that's gone, now it's up inthe raritan they crushed the
bass over there.

It's amazing the bass fish you have there and all
, like I said, all through thesummer.
Even you know you can go outthere today and still kill them.
My buddy was on uh on the gypsythe other day and they shot up
there into new york harbor andthey limit out on the boat on
stripers midsummer, you know.

Ed Gobbo (34:36):
Yeah, it's pretty cool I must feel like the, the fish
that were plentiful in the Southare like moving further North.
And then, like the furtherSouth, like the exotics, the
Cobia, the reds, the specs, likethey're starting to slide up.
I feel like everything'sstarting to move North.

It's like with a new North Carolina now in Long
Island.
It's cause it's like all thatNorth Carolina fishing is coming
this way Now that's not a badthing.
There's been Kingfish caught byus too.
Way now, that's not a bad thing.
There's been kingfish caught byus too.
I haven't caught one yet, butpeople catching kingfish like
that's that's pretty awesome.
You know, to catch a kingfishon london island, that's awesome
, are we talking northern kingsor no?

Ed Gobbo (35:12):
real macro, the real king, the northern kings.

We catch all the time, but no, the real stuff.
Oh, that would be amazing.

Yeah , I could deal with a little
global warming for that.

I think the seasons are shifting.
That's what I think.
I definitely think the seasonslike April is horrible.
Now April is an extension ofthe winter, yet October,
december, it's pretty damn niceyeah.

Ed Gobbo (35:33):
I think definitely like a season shift.
December I was out fishing inmy kayak and a t-shirt.
It was like 60 degrees.

Maybe not our lifetime but in
December might be the new august, who knows.
Yeah, really.
Yeah, last season we were togfishing in december mid to
actually it was right beforechristmas and we were out there
and I think we threw you mighthave had a t-shirt on that, but
I think I threw a sweatshirt onbecause I thought I should, but
kind of regretted it- no, that'swhen you put your dry suit on,
and I laughed at you for it, thewater was still getting a

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little close.

Ed Gobbo (36:08):
Water was getting down there right.

Look , I don't put a dry suit on,
unless I think it's a bit of aconcern.

April is freezing.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (36:16):
That's all I know you don't even want
to put your boat in the wateranymore.

in April it's like why bother?

Dude , try launching a kayak in that
water.
It's freezing, because yourfeet are getting wet, and I'm
not one of those guys that wearswaterproof boots and everything
.
I'm I'm like jumping in withlike regular shoes on and
getting my feet wet every time.
Oh, my god, I just want to cry.
It's so cold so cold I shouldjust invest in the, the bigger

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boots, all right, so so when doyou think that the kobe are
going to leave, though?
That's a question that we'vehad in there a couple of times.
So you see them, let's say June, let's say June.
Ish, they're going to show uparound the time that the sharks
start start moving in and thatthey're going to be around the
bunker pods.
When are you going to look atthem to start leaving?

I think they're already starting to leave and I
know one was my buddy had one.
He was actually tuna fishingand he had a Kobe on the tuna
rod and that was, I'm guessing,six days ago that he had that
one.
But other than that I haven't.
Like I only get out one day aweek.
Just so you guys know that I'mnot fishing like a lot.
I'm a stay-at-home dad.
I have my two little boys withme, so I'm one day a week.

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But um, that was, I'm guessing,six days ago.
I have not been out to know.
You know, I don't think I wouldtarget them anymore unless I
was just coming home and sort ofbungle school.
Maybe I would just pass on tosee if anything was sitting
there.
I don't think I would actuallygo out and talk with them at
this point.
I think they're definitelyheading back down to, you know,
virginia and all that stuff sowe probably have a few more

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weeks in new jersey.

Down here in in Delaware we have
people in New Jersey, delawareand Maryland actually that watch
the stream and listen to thepodcast, so we probably have a
little bit of time down here.

I would think so yeah.

Yeah , you might want to just kind of
start wrapping it up.
Maybe get out a couple of timesto give it a go up in New York.
How far north have you heard ofpeople catching them?
How far north in New York?
I haven't seen anything northof New York.

I think maybe, like in the Montauk area, there
might've been one or two, or theHamptons, maybe.
I thought I read somewhere, butthat's all I have.
That's all I heard of.
I haven't seen anything else.
And I like a couple of guys thatI talk to them every day, that
I call them up and I reallyhaven't caught any.
So I mean, these guys are outthere every day.
They'll go before work in themorning.
They're out there for a coupleof hours and they had some

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numbers.
They caught a lot of fish,these guys way more than I
caught.
And for them to not be catchingit's not like these guys just
said, oh, I'm just going to gogive it a whirl.
These guys have caught plentyto know.
So I would definitely thinkthey're definitely on the way.

I'm not saying you won't one, you
know, still still sure there'splenty around, but not like it
was, that's for sure yeah, well,I had the philosophy if you can
get out there and you just wantto just give it a go, you know,
like like ed, when we went outthis weekend I was like is it
even really worth going?
Because the conditions weren'tgoing to be great after all the
storms and everything I was likeyeah, why not I?

Ed Gobbo (39:01):
mean I wasn't doing anything, I wasn't disappointed.
We went though man because thatone creek that I found that was
really cool.

Oh yes.

Ed Gobbo (39:10):
Worth the exploration.

Yeah , we did a little exploring, had
a big shark come through in theflat in about a foot of water
and we didn't know what it was.
It was big.
We didn't know what it was,just saw the puff of all the mud
flying up and I had to go backon video and slow it down and
colorize the video to get theshape of it Very clearly a

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dorsal fin on there.
We thought it might've beensomething else, but it was
definitely a shark that gotspooked.

That's definitely a little scary in a kayak.
Yeah, it's fun.

We've had a lot of sharks.
We've had a lot of sharks inthe backwater and in the flats
too.
I'm talking, you know, fourfeet down to one foot, and these
are all you know five footsharks, mostly brown people are
saying there's bulls.
I haven't seen a bull.
I've seen several, probablyhalf a dozen browns in the exact
spot that they're saying bull.

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So I'm guessing maybe they'remisidentifying I don't seem to.

I know for a fact two up here.
My buddy, steve, had one, and Iforget who.
The other guy had one, butsteve definitely had one.
He's trying to pitch.
I'm like, holy shit, that's abull shark dude.
He definitely had one.

100 that would be.
That would be fun.

I've never caught a bull shark actually I caught
him in the bahamas but never uphere.

Yeah .

It's crazy.

Maybe they are back there.
I'm decent at identifyingsharks and I'm saying they're
sandbars, so they're browns,yeah.

It's a thresher.

It's a thresher, they're really hard
to identify, though, infairness to everybody, sharks
are not easy to identify.
Even for experts, there arecertain things that you know
well.

Ed Gobbo (40:47):
It's definitely a black tip, are you sure?
Because you can't see its bellyyou can't see underneath.

So you're not 100 sure.
So in fairness that's, I'lljust say that I'm doubtful that
it was bull.

It was a bull shark , but I actually just put a
picture on my Instagram accountthat shows a difference between
a spinner and a black top Ablack tip Black top.
I'm in mercenary now, so it'spretty funny that the black tip
shark actually its anal fin iswhite and the spinner has the
black tip on it, which is crazybecause you would think totally
the opposite.

Yeah , but that's really the only way
that you can tell them apart,right?

Their fins, the pec fins yeah, I think it's almost
like between a yellow and a bluefin, where they'll touch the,
the fin on the back, the dorsaloh, okay I think one I'd have to
look at the picture again.

One actually touches it, the other
one's shy of touching it see,that's why, that's why I say
it's so hard to identify it,because that's where you really,
for me, I need a need, aside-by-side.

Right, yeah, but who's going to want to touch and
take its fin and push it to theside to see if it's going to
touch it Right?
Maybe, like that guy that losthis pinky or something.
That was another video thatwent viral.

Oh my God, that guy.
Oh yeah, I saw that he did that.

With the kid in the boat.
Yeah, but it wanted to lookreal quick and see something
real fast.

While you're looking that up, I'll
tell you I was out fishing withmy brother-in-law years.
It was probably a decade agoand we're out fishing on my boat
and we were fluke fishing.
But I threw out a half abluefish on a rod and I let it
sit on the bottom and ended uppulling in a nice-sized brown
shark.
My brother-in-law wasn'tthinking he just reaches over
whatever, grabs it like it's abig dogfish and is holding it up

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right next to his face and Iwas like it has teeth, he turns
around and he's staring right atits teeth.

Ed Gobbo (42:30):
And you know how strong he just dropped that
thing, it's right here.

Oh my God, he was like oh, he
threw that right there.

That's scary.
Does that get you there?
You're on a boat.
You're done If you cut.

That you're done.
I'm going to try this.

Let's see if this works.
You see them.
Yep.
Now, if you can see, look atthe black tip.
It's got a white tip and thespinner actually has the black.

So that's the only way that I knew
how to tell the differencebetween the two really.

And now look at the fins here.
I don't know if you can see it.

I can't see what I'm doing you
how the fins are closer to thedorsal yeah on the black tip,
whereas the spinner, the dorsal,is further back okay, so, and
that, ladies and gentlemen, iswhy it's very difficult to
discern the difference betweensharks while they're in the
water, unless it's a hammerheadyeah, that you can tell yeah,

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you can tell the hammerheads andthe bonnet head and the the
bonnets, but otherwise, yeah,it's, it's difficult.
All right, so we got the cobiamoving out.
So what's your plan going to befor the?
You know you're switching offof that.
Are you going to be switchingover to blackfish, primarily at
this point?

not yet.
That doesn't start till october15th.
I'm a big bottom fishing guy.
I love bottom fishing so I'mI'm happy catching sea bass
porgies right now.
You get the fluke set up on allthe wrecks so that's always
nice.
You get some nice big fluke.
Actually, one of the things youcould do is, if you're getting
the beguiles, take that beguile,your little beguile fish, take
that, pop it on a hook, drop itstraight down.
If there's a big fluke overthere, they pounce on them.

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They love them.
They love the beguiles.

So that's a little thing there.
You're catching the balls.
Take one, throw a hook, toss it, toss it out.
Why not?
We're like to lose, we're likefrom different worlds.
I've never caught a porgy Ihave.
I've only caught maybe fivebergal in my life, all by
accident.
The first one that I evercaught I foul hooked and a big
sea bass ended up taking it.
So it's like I was snag fishingand a nice keeper size sea bass
on a party boat and after thatjust random foul hooks.
Never caught a Bergall.

I'll tell you nothing, speaking about sea bass
.
If you catch a Bergall or aConner, fillet it.
And if you're sea bass fishing,take that fillet and just one
time put it through the hook andput it on.
Like you know, you have a highlow.
Put it on the top hook yeah andit's like that flutter and
usually get some big sea bass onthat too I'll have to do that
from the fillet I think I haveto do.

I need to do more fishing where
I'm targeting this kind of stuffI've never targeted.
You know, porgy is one thingthat I really want to go after,
because everyone keeps tellingme, pound for pound, great fight
in this fish for light tackle,and I've never caught one in my
life also great for tacos.

They make awesome fish tacos see that works for me
that's why we're fat dads yeah,exactly because that's what we
do.

We like it yeah yeah, so I'm into
that all right, so you're gonna,you're gonna be looking at the
bottom fishing and then you'regonna switch over to the
blackfish.
Are you gonna be fishing themigration for the striped bass
at all?

Yes, what I do is I used to do a lot of combo trips
so I wouldn't do the bass first, only because you can't have
bass in possession in federalwaters.
So for me to start with thebass and then go to blackfish,
and now I'm like, oh my God, I'mfive miles off, you're getting
a lot of trouble.
So what I would do is we'll gofor the blackfish first and then
basically, okay, we've got alimit, we didn't get a limit
whatever.
Let's spend the last hour and ahalf and do a little trawling.

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You know, throw some mojos in.
It's very easy fishing, whereasthe spoons can be a little, you
know, beat you up a little bitwith the wire and stuff.
So now it's very simple, justto throw these mojos in the
water and trawl around.
And you know a lot.
Basically, even just cominghome, working your way back home
, working on the 40-foot depths,going out to the 50, going back
to the 30, whatever, Justzigzagging all over the place,

(46:07):
working your way back to theinlet.

And what are you putting in the
spread when you're trolling backin?

Usually what I do is I'll do two spoons on the
outriders and then I'll have twomojos going down.
That's the four-rod setup.

I'm trolling.
Okay, are you using thosereally big spoons or are you
using the more traditional?

I have the Tony Majas I use.
They're great.
I like to use the Tony Majaswhen you're trolling with the
Mojos because the Tony Majaspoon requires a little bit less
speed to get it to workproperly.
Now if you go to like, say, theTGTs, the Reliables, that's a
little bit of a faster speed.

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One thing about the mojos theywork at any speed it really
doesn't matter, but I like to goa little slower with them
because I want them to sink alittle deeper.
Gotcha, and speaking aboutstriped bass too, is like always
watch your fish finder, becauseif those fish are just staying
at 20 feet of water, well, don'thave 300 feet of wire out,
because now you're below thefish.
You always want to make sureit's tradition Dump the whole
300 feet where you're going tocatch the fish.
That doesn't always work.
So if you see these fish justconstantly, you're seeing them
in 20 feet, 20 feet crank thatup and you don't get like 200

(47:07):
feet of wire out and don't leavethe whole 300 out I think a lot
of people don't understand howto determine how deep their
baits are getting, so they justkind of let it out until it
looks a certain distance off theback.

You know, and they're, they're not
really quite sure, yeah, and Ithink a lot of them end up just
trolling three feet down, fourfeet down, because they're not
nearly as far back as theyshould be.

Well, also, too, when you're letting out your
spoons.
So a spoon is basically likethis so now, if you're holding
any type of pressure on it, it'skind of riding like a boat, you
know, because it has thatlittle rounded bottom.
So what you want to do is youkind of like want to be almost
free spool so that thing's justfree dropping.
If you put any pressure on thatspoon, it's definitely not

(47:50):
where it is.
It's a lot harder than youthink it is.
You know, it's basically hitthat water, hit the water
pressures, hit it from your boatpulling that spoon and it's
just coming up yep, you know yougot to get it down to the depth
first and then yeah exactly so.
I mean it's kind of toughbecause if it backlashes you
know the wire sucks if you haveto replace wire.
So you kind of like put justenough pressure where it's not
spinning back and just let thatfree sink as fast as you can
it's been a long time since I'vebeen doing any trolling on a

(48:10):
boat, but I man a backlash onthe wire.

I remember that.
And, man, we got lazy.
So we would just put the uh,the planers on the, on the, the
deep rods, and then that wouldget us down to a certain depth,
depending on the size and thespeed that you're going.
That was my lazy trolling.
That was mainly for tuna andmahi and bluefish, though that's
big in Florida with thekingfish.

They do that with the planers.

Yeah , I just think it's so much
easier.
As soon as you hook up, it'sgoing to trip the planer and
it's going to come right back upto the surface, so you see a
deep rod coming up.

you know, you know you've had something smack it
you know, you don't even have tohave it on the outriggers well,
that's what the whole mojodidn't change everything too,
because the wires, like you say,the wires of pain and the
button do it.
So now these mojos, youbasically put it on your braid.
You're not fighting all thewire.
If you're still fighting aheavy, it could be a 16 ounce, a
24 ounce mojo, a tandem rig,but it's definitely it's more

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enjoyable for people to fishthat way I agree, and and
oftentimes you need to havesomebody who really knows what
they're doing in order to dospoons correctly absolutely no.
That's all technique.
You have to watch that tip ofthat rod and make sure you have
that rhythm.
You know if it's, if it's goinglike this, you know a spoon's
basically spinning, you know yougotta have the slight waggle on

(49:25):
it yeah yeah, once it startstwitching you gotta start
reeling

you gotta get that thing reset, not
fun just the speeds.

It's always adjusting speeds.
What are you going with thecurrent against the current
cross current?

you always adjust it to make sure
that's right yeah to get thatrhythm so so we're coming up on
about an hour here.
There were a couple of thingsthat I wanted to ask and
actually, ed, if you want to,while I'm asking this, go
through and just see if thereare any things that we missed.
Yeah, in the in the chat Iwanted to ask.
So we know that the cobiafishing's getting better.
The sheep's head, I believe,are getting better up in new

(50:00):
york.
I'm seeing a lot in new york,long Island Sound, even, and
Raritan area.
You mentioned the fluke earlier, though.
It's just not as good.
What's your thought on thefluke for 2020?

No, I'm saying the striped bass have changed, not
the fluke, the fluke fishing tome.
I think the fluke fishing isgood, I enjoy it.
It's great for kids too.
I love taking kids flukefishing.
The striped bass definitelyisn't.
We're not getting that, uh, thatmigration coming past our inlet
like we had.
Right.
You know, like I was sayingthis fish now way, way deeper,
and I think that's what'shappened.
I don't think it's so much thatthe fish aren't around, I just
think that the migration patternhas changed drastically.

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You know, like, look at thefish, look at raritan bay, how
low it is with stripers.
You know there's tons of fishbut yet right here, a couple
miles away, we're not gettingthem like we had.
We are catching them, but notlike we used to catch them.
Right so.
But everything shifted,everything's changing in this
world right now.
So whether it's the migrationsthat they're taking, where
they're just going right past usand maybe shooting right up the
block in Montauk, you know,bypass that whole little let's

(50:59):
call it the armpit.
Basically it looks like youknow of where my inlet is.
So who knows?
But the fluke fishing, you knowthe fluke has always been decent
.
I love fishing in the bay inthe spring.
You know you want in the earlyspring.
You're right in that bay andyou find them, they're coming in
.
You get some real nice ones too, right, and uh, I like fishing.
Now we got, you know, thepeanut bunk we have is
incredible, so it's fun.

(51:20):
Throw the net and just catchthe peanut bun and just go fish
with those.
It's so much fun.
They just pounce on those baitsand, you know, in the bay too
it's a lot of fun.

Yeah , oh, definitely, definitely.
You know it's funny youmentioned with the.
If you think about where youare in relation to where I
normally would fish in the pastin South Jersey we had an
outstanding migration forstriped bass through the

(51:48):
Delaware Bay, around the CapeMay Rips and straight up to
southern New Jersey and that'sgone.
I mean, you just can't.
This used to be legendaryfishing for striped bass and
it's moved and I think it's nowit's up north and now it's
hitting Raritan and I'mwondering if maybe, as it
continues to move more north allthe way up to the other side of
New Jersey, to the top side ofthe state, if now it won't start
to turn on a little bit foryour area as they continue to

(52:10):
move up, maybe you'll end upwith those legendary fishing
things for a couple of decadeslike we had down here.

It's got to be the migration shift.
What else would?

it be, it has to be.

Look at the bluefin tuna now that we're getting
over here, by us, that's insane.
I don't fish for them, but theguys that fish for them, they're
capitalizing on some real bigfish.

Ed Gobbo (52:31):
We had that one conversation with Jim from the
Fisherman and he was talkingabout that.
Yeah, he was talking about thisdredging and I keep going back
to it, but it makes sense.
Ever since they did thisdredging offshore, they
destroyed all this stuff, atleast down here, and it's never
been the same.
It's starting to come back, butI don't think they've done much
of it since then.

Well, I think that's interesting because
they're passing you before theycome to me, so maybe that's
something that happened downthere is making that migration
shift and they're not comingtowards us now.
Who?

Ed Gobbo (53:01):
knows.
That's possible mean the lastthe last couple years we've
gotten more than we have right.
Like I said, I think it'sgetting back to the way it was,
a little bit at least but it gotbad, man, I mean.

And to jim's point when he was on,
well, I don't actually rememberif this was his exact point, but
but I'm going to add my point.
They have absolutely destroyedthese habitats offshore and
nobody cares, right, as long asthat beach, that nice clean sand
, can get pumped up on the beachfor the millionaires, that's
all that matters to these shoretowns and it takes a lot.

(53:37):
And the funny thing is it's allgoing to be gone after the
first nor'easter hits.
So they're going to pump their$10 million worth of sand up
there.
They're going to destroy a mileand a half of of good habitat
that used to hold these fish.
You know nice contours on thebottom and all that sand is now
loose up on the beach.
It washes out now.
It's just all flat with nothinggrowing on it because it's all

(53:58):
covered over by that sand and Ithink that that's a that's a big
issue.
Not, I'm not a fan of the beachreplenishment.
I understand why they want todo it.
You know it also does protectthe beaches and the towns, but
it is what it is.
Man You're, you got a house onthe shore.
You know we were talking.
My wife and I were talkingabout getting a house in OBX and

(54:19):
we're like we just have to bewilling to lose the house, right
, because at some point you'regonna lose the house you're
gonna get a hurricane.
Yeah, yeah, it is it is what itis.
So I I don't know.
I'm seeing that, but maybeit'll.
Maybe it'll bode well for youup there that you know, as the
migration moves further north,maybe someday it'll be actually
going in boston harbor as themain place and and it'll be

(54:42):
ripping down there in LongIsland.

Maybe our next conversation we'll be talking
about tarpon fishing, who knows?

That would be fun.
They've been up here.

Yeah, that'd be crazy.

Yeah , I would say not enough to
target, though, but they'vedefinitely been up here.
A couple of comments in therethat the seals are also killing
a lot of these fish.
There are a lot of sealskilling a lot of these fish.
There are a lot of seals whichare just brutal.
It's really for my money it'sthe spiny dogfish.

And it's the Cullmarans.
Yeah, the cullmarans are theworst.

Yes , and the dolphins.

Dolphins eat everything.
Yeah.

It's insane.
I mean I never as a kid growingup down next to the water every
summer it was it was a rarityto hear of a dolphin in the
backwaters.
And now they come through inpods, like multiple pods, just
destroying the weak fish.
You know that you're you'rebailing weak fish and all of a

(55:42):
sudden you know you get 30.
You get three pods of 10dolphins come through and then
it's dead and all you see arescales floating around.
Oh wow, it's terrible, it'sdecimating them?

yeah, well, it's definitely.
Look at the boats now infreeport.
They're actually doing whalewatching tours.
Like that was something youhave to go up to p town for,
yeah, and now you have it righthere in freeport actual, actual
people are paying to go whalewatching on Long Island.
Everything has changed.
The bunker has a big part of itsince they stopped the same net
and the amount of bait that wehave here is insane.
It's so much bait.
You always have bait.
My backyard right now is a baitthrow.

(56:15):
I can go on my boat right now.
Throw my cast net and I'll havebunker for bait.
It's all over the place in mycanal pull over to place in my
canal.

That was one of the things that was
driving ed and I crazy when wewere out this weekend was there
was so much bait that youcouldn't and you couldn't tell
if there was anything on it.
So it's like, all right, well,let's, let's fish this mullet.
Okay, we fish that mullet.
And then 30 yards you're stillfishing that, you still see it
there.
But then 30 yards away, mulletbust somewhere.
You know it starts busting.
So you're're casting there andit's like, well, there's nothing
on that and we were bouncing.

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We must have bounced aroundlike a couple hundred large
schools of peanut bunker andmullet in the backwaters in that
one day.

It was exhausting.
Bigger mullet those little guys.

Yeah , those are the things.

Yeah, I like those.

Yeah , those are the ones that you
want to net those, those makegreat great life, great yeah,
yeah.

That's a good fluke bait to them all.
That's awesome bait it is.

I wish that we, I wish I would
have brought my net.
I actually didn't know where mycast net was and I just found
it, so I'm gonna.
I gotta go out and practiceagain.
I haven't thrown it in a fewyears they're a great thing to
have.

It gets so so much better with those things.

So , Ed, were there any questions
that we missed up to this point?
I think we pretty much touchedon everything.

Ed Gobbo (57:30):
Selfless promotion.
Here KB gave me a shout out,which thank you, buddy.
Other than that, I think wepretty much touched on a lot, of
, a lot of the questions that wehad in there.

Okay , all right, I have one, one
more thing, joey, to ask you,and that's about blackfish.
So once you, once you move overto that, what's your approach
going to be?
As you, you know, I don't knowhow late you're going to keep
your boat in the water, I don'tknow if you're going to just
fish other boats later in theseason, if you're going to go
further offshore or what it is.
But what?
What's your plan for this falland winter for blackfish?

basically, I'm fishing as long as I can on my
boat.
I don't really like taking myboat over to 17 fountains and
stuff again.
It's small, it's cold, so I'mstaying.
All the local reefs, you know,rockaway, mcgallis, the ab reef,
those are the spots I'm hitting.
I blackfish a little differentthan everybody else.
I think I don't like to be onthe structure.
Personally, I like to be nextto the structure, right, you

(58:25):
know I can't stand retiring rigs, obviously, so I always go.
I like to get as close as Ipossibly can without being on
top of it.
I can see it on the machine,but you know you're scoped, you
know your scope's coming righton.
So I like to fish edges of anytype of rock pile wreck,
whatever it may be.
I feel like the bigger fish aredown there too.
Um, I do.

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If, if it's a nasty, like acouple days, and the bottom's
all turned up, then I'll go ontop of what we have is.
We call it the wall.
So this, this structure it'slike I guess it's concrete might
be the belt park where theydumped a tremendous amount and
it comes up, uh, 20 feet off thebottom.
So now, if that bottom's turnedup, I'm going to go sit on top
of that pile of wreck andhopefully that 20 feet up might
make a difference where thatwater's a little clearer,

(59:07):
because definitely the blackfishare sight feeders and scent
feeders, I believe.
But I definitely think sight'sa big part with the blackfish
and any time you get heavy eastwinds, it seems, or the swells,
it just shuts them down.
So that time I'll go heavy onthe structure.
But you make jigs so it's nobig deal for you.
But guys that are buying thesejigs, you know how much does a
jig cost these days?
$3, $4 for a Blackfish jig.

(59:29):
I don't even know.

Ed Gobbo (59:31):
A couple of bucks.

Yeah.
So it's like you're gettingsnagged like crazy and those you
can get out a little easier toget out.
But as soon as black for seasonopens, I'm going.
I love it, I love catching them, I love them.
Get them on spin gear.
It's so much fun, you know.
But that's it.

As soon as it opens, I'm going
yeah, but I'll get all the localreefs.
Are you using jakes more thanyou're using rigs, then?

yeah, absolutely, it's so much fun.
I do still.
You know, everybody still usesthe snafu rig and if you have a
lot of current, I'll go with asingle hook.
Yeah, I just recently startedusing the one-way slide hook on
it, like the Sweetheart rig.
I think it's called somethinglike that.
It's like a hook on the twohooks on the line.
I tried using that just to tryto let less resistance in the
water.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (01:00:10):
That's always the challenge.
That's always the challenge,and when I'm going in the winter
it's going to be on a partyboat, and the one thing that I
really don't like is half thetime you end up getting stuck
having to use the rigs and youcan't use a jig because with all
the rigs around, just like with12 ounces on, it's going
straight down.
You can't have any scope out onyour line there or else you're

(01:00:32):
going to be that guy and I justdon't like rig fishing for them.
I don't know why, I guess I justdon't like.
The weight is probably what itis.
The jig is awesome.

Joey Leggio (01:00:40):
I.
I don't know why.
I guess I just don't like.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (01:00:41):
the weight is probably what it is.
The jig is awesome.
I love the jig.

Yeah, you know what's cool about the jig too is
that, like I said, I'm fishingthe sides of wrecks.
If that jig is walking acrossthe bottom, it doesn't matter,
they still will pounce on it.
It almost looks like a crab nowis walking along the bottom of
the ocean, whereas the weightmaybe is a little different.
But nothing beats a jig.
It's so much fun.
That's the greatest thing thatever happened.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (01:01:09):
Yeah , and Ed loves when we start
losing things.

Of course.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (01:01:11):
Ed loves for us to just anchor up
right on top of the heavieststructure possible with the
sharpest metal.
The newest wrecks are the bestfor him.

Nice and sticky.

Ed Gobbo (01:01:24):
Yeah, I can't wait.
It's fun.
Now I just need to get somescuba gear so I can just go down
and get them back and get themback, sell them back to you, so
I don't have to make them.

Yeah you know it's fun, it's funny,
joey.
There there's one bridge that Ifished a lot and there's a
piece of rope that hangs aboutthree feet below the waterline
at low tide, but you can see itthere and without fail I'll put
one edge jigs on and I'll belike I can get around that and
I'll put it down there andsomehow I always touch that damn

(01:01:52):
thing.
There must be like four poundsof edge jigs on that damn piece
of rope and if I just had somescuba gear I could go down there
and get it.

Ed Gobbo (01:02:01):
I'm going to need those coordinates.
Rich yeah.
If I just had some scuba gear Icould go down there and get it.

I'm going to need those coordinates
, rich.
Yeah, there are a lot of jigson that rope a lot and that
rope's been there for I don'tknow how it's still there.
It's been there probably 15years at this point.
Oh, it's just this big, huge,thick nylon rope, so it's stuck
there.

And you ain't getting it out.

Once that barb goes into the rope,
it's definitely not coming out.
You get that feeling, you know.
You just feel it just bite andsink and you're like, oh no,
it's like.
It's like when you I don't knowif you've ever done this, if
you've ever buried a four-wheeldrive in the sand no, I man,
it's just the feeling when youbury those tires and you just
know you hit the axle and you'redone.
That's the feeling I get when Ihit that rope.

So yeah, I'm not a surf fishing guy, definitely not
a surf fishing guy but I alwayssee the pictures we see, like
the bmws yes what are youthinking?

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (01:02:52):
there .
There's a town down here thathas what is it's?
The brigantine they have.
They do a calendar of thepeople that try to go on the
beach every year in theirtwo-wheel drive cars and get
stuck.
And they do a calendar of thepeople that try to go on the
beach every year in theirtwo-wheel drive cars and get
stuck, and they do it just everymonth, that's one of these joey
?
They're teslas, not the, notthe trucks, but the cars.

(01:03:13):
So they're bringing an electriccar on the beach two-wheel drive
onto the beach I mean with withthe clearance underneath of
just a couple inches and they'regetting stuck.
I don't know if you, if you sawdoing Sandy I think it was
Sandy when the the parking lotgot all the salt water in there
and all the Teslas went up withall that salt water hitting the

(01:03:34):
batteries?

Yeah, wipes those wires out.

Yeah , and they just all ignited in
the middle of the parking lot.
There was something like 50Teslas went up in that one
parking lot and here this guy'strying to drive down into the
water.

Well, that was like after Sandy Lottie's houses
went on fire Because of that.
They would put the electricityback on.
And all that wire that was twofeet all these outlets, all that
wire is corroded and boom, youturn it on, it sparks out, boom,
houses are burning down likecrazy after that because of it.
Yeah, salt water is pretty bad.

It's an acid, it's corrosive yes,
yes, that's why I have toremember to clean my truck every
time I drive into it.
We just I only drive into it,not for surf fishing.
I don't have any of thosepermits just to to launch a
kayak.
Being a fat dad I'm, I don'twant to carry 150 or pull a
150-pound kayak fully loadedfrom the truck down to the water

(01:04:24):
.
I back up as close as I can.
Ed doesn't want to do that.
He's like screw it.
I'm not hurting my truck.
He loves his truck a littlemore than I love mine.

The kayak's 150 pounds and everything, yeah,
fully loaded.
You have those wheels that goon the bottom, I guess, and you
tow it.

Ed Gobbo (01:04:39):
Yeah, they.
You have those wheels that goon the bottom, I guess, and you
tow it.

Yeah, they don't work that good, though no,
that's a lot of weight to move.

Ed Gobbo (01:04:44):
It is.
My son got into it, especiallyat the launch.
That's not that bad Well, itwasn't, we were stuck in a
spring tide.

Yeah.

And we came in at dead low so it
was just all rocks.
I was like, oh my god, thissucks, it was.
It was a terrible launch to getout of, but it is a great
launch at any other tide becauseit's just one of those things
you back up literally to thewater and you just walk your
kayak out, your you're launchedand not that day.

Sorry, ed the kayaks, sheep's head, right, I
mean most of these guys that arecatching sheep's head are on
the kayaks.
Yeah, nice and tight, all that.
Any wood structure, woodstructure, it seems like it
seems like their favorite woodstructure versus the concrete
structure.
I don't know.
Like I said, I never really gotthem.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (01:05:27):
I would agree with that.
I've caught them Well.
So concrete works, but it needsto be older concrete.

Ed Gobbo (01:05:35):
I think it's the growth.

Yeah , it's wherever it has the
barnacles on it.

Ed Gobbo (01:05:39):
Old do has the barnacles on it so old docks are
awesome.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (01:05:41):
I mean they're, they're great.
So when you're getting outthere for your sheep's head,
well, you can do that now.
You may as well throw that intoyour repertoire right now.
This it's the time of year forsheep's head.
I'm dying, huh I am dying toget one oh, I thought you said
you're not gonna get one.
I was like no, I'm dying againwhen I want one.

So bad, I heard they taste good too, but they
they're pretty cool.
I watched one video actuallyspeaking about learning from
other places that are doing it.
He would take like a gardenertool and he would just scrape
the poles Right and all thatbarnacle would come down.
He said now it's natural to him.
Then he would take some off thepole and actually put it on the
hook, not even bringing cramps.

He was using selling barnacles at
the beginning of the year,especially when they weren't
they weren't getting a lot ofthe the green crabs in and
everything like that for tog.
So they were like, hey, look,okay.
Oh and, and it was also at thetime where they couldn't get
sand fleece for some reason.
I think there was a storm downsouth.
They were bringing them in fromdown south.
They're like but we gotbarnacles.
I was like okay.
Like an idiot.
I bought a bag of barnacles andI didn't even use them, but I

(01:06:50):
felt so stupid.
I was like here I am in thekayak, six inches from me, is
all these barnacles that I couldever want.
I could have just scraped them,but yeah, but they, but yeah,
they are a good bait.

They're a good bait .
Speaking about it, this issomething I actually just got
because I saw somebody do.
It is the little pouches andyou could take like those
barnacles and crush them up andput them in one of those little
mesh pouches and then put it onthe hook and use that as a bait.
Oh yeah, the little tiny meshpouches these are for the salmon
pouches, I think they're called.

Ed Gobbo (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can buy it in a big roll for,
like, they use it for flowersand arrangements and stuff.
I forget.
I have some of it actually.

Well , you can use it for bloodworms.
Okay, put the bloodworm bag.
It's a bloodworm bag.
No, no, it's a mini little bag.

It's this big.
It's a tiny little bag and youcould take like mussels, crush
it up, throw it in a bag I thinkit's a chum and you put it on
the hook and drop it down with ablack, which I wanted to try it
at this year and see how itworked out.

That's a good idea.

It's in anything.
Use muscles.
You think barnacles just crushsomething up?
Pop the hook on it tightens it.

Steal your idea and I'm gonna try it.
Look about my thing.

They're called salmon egg bags, I think, is
what they're called.
Okay, I'm pretty sure that'swhat it is yeah, but yeah, it's
always trying new things.
You know, like who would everwould think of something like
that?
But you see a video guy dude,I'm like god, that looks pretty
interesting.
Yeah, let's get out of worldnew york and see what happens.

This fall we'll try for blackfish
yeah, I'm going fishing tomorrowbased on what.
Somebody sent me a messagesaying you should try this and I
was like, well, I've never eventhought of that.
I'm like that sounds like agood idea.
And he said I don't know, Idon't even know the guy.
He's like I'm telling you itworks.
It works really well for me andI prefer it over the way that
you do it.
I was like I'm not doinganything tomorrow.

(01:08:35):
I got my kayak out there in therain right now.
I'm ready to go.
At 5 am I'm going to go out andI'm going to give it a try 5 am
in the rain.
No, yeah, hopefully it ends bythe time I get two hours away.

I got my little guy just came down, so I got
Frankie, and now we haveNicholas over here.
He's throwing his binky.
I don't have food for you,buddy.

Oh , there's the lord of the house,
that's him.

Say hi oh just crack me, Ed.
That's the one that runs thehousehold right now, right?

Future fisherman.

Oh, I think he's tangled in me.
Yeah, he loves the kayak.
Come here, frankie.
He absolutely loves the kayakright now, all the time.
He doesn't want to go on theboat anymore.
He's like I want to go on thekayak.
Well, he loves the kayak rightnow, all the time.
He doesn't want to go on theboat anymore.
He's like I want to go on akayak.
Well, he can come down and goout with me and Ed.
You want to go fishing with?

him .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do a lotof that's what we do.
You can see it.

It's right there.
See the kayak.

Ed Gobbo (01:09:33):
Yeah.

Yeah, there's one behindty.

Ed Gobbo (01:09:38):
Yeah, that's the Salty , and then next to it I have a
Big Water.

Are those Hobies or not Hobies?
Old Towns, old Towns.
Okay, I've heard of Old Towns.
Yeah, yeah, I just bought apaddle one for now, just to get
used to it and try it.
It was like a $300 kayak atCostco, just to try it.

Yeah , that's the way to start.
Don't ever get a really startwith the paddle one.
Yeah, I actually used thepaddle one, an old, what was it?
Ocean kayak, malibu too.
So it was a.
It was a tandem, but I onlyused it for me and I used the
extra spot to put all my gearbehind me.
I use that for like 20 years,that and another one similar to

(01:10:15):
it.
And then I I determined, youknow I could.
I bought a boat and then Istill use the kayak, and then I
was like you know what?
I get rid of this boat, I'mgetting a pedal kayak, and
that's what I ended up doing.

Yeah, eventually that's what I will get from once
it gets a little older.

Yeah .

You know, if they're in a hobby, they enjoy
it Like, let's do it for them.
You know, I'd rather be doingthat than being on video games
or something like that.
Agre, I just want to get themout in the water and get them to
the outdoors.

You know, get out of here 100%.
Hey, they're always welcome onthis stream.
So is there anything that wemissed, especially on the Cobia
front, that we should mentionbefore we?

Ed Gobbo (01:10:52):
wrap this up.

Just basically what we were talking about before,
like if you snag one of thesebaits and you stun them, you get
them in the gills or somethinglike that, and that bait just
spin and it's sinking.
I always like to change thoseout, you'll know right away.
If you start it, there's nomovement, it goes straight to
the bottom and it's it's a deadbait.
So if I see that and alsothey'll spin, of course, now
it's like a little angry youknow snags in it and they'll
spin around.
I take that bait, get rid of itright away.

(01:11:14):
But I also don't like throwingbaits in the water.
I'll throw them in a bucket,you know.
They always feel like I knowwhat's going to happen.
I'm going to take a whole deadbuck, I'm going to throw it in
the water.
It's going to be a 50 poundKobe.
It's going to eat and say thankyou for the offer and see you
later.
Bye.
So I always feel, even withshark fishing, the same thing.

(01:11:41):
I don't like throwing any baitin the water.
There's a fish dead, I justgobbled it up and there's no
hook in the bait.

Yeah , there's no free meals.
Yeah, exactly no free meals onmy boat, definitely not.

So yeah with that.
So if with my rig that's just atreble hook with a tiny little
weight, it doesn't matter.
You hit them in the gills, youhit them in the head, they're
done.
They die right away and theyjust spin to the bottom and
that's it.
Not saying they won't hit it.
But I like to put you knoweverything in my favor, as much
as I can Like the fluorocarbonleaders and stuff and I agree If
you're going to be out there onthe water putting in that time.

Make sure you make the best use of
that time by fishing thesmartest.
Now I say that, and anyonewho's ever been out fishing with
me knows I don't always do it.
I'll be out there and I'll havethe same gulp bait on for fluke
after like two hours.
I should really just take the13 seconds it takes to change
this out and get a fresh one onthere or just recharge it.

You know you can have that.
Get another chinese foodcontainer with the juice in it
and leave it open.
You don't want to spill overthe boat, just drop it in.
Every time you go up on a drift, drop it in, yeah let it sit
and take it out, and it's alsogood because we're using a
bucktail, not a bucktail is allfilled with the juice as well
right, and I I should do thatmore and I I don't always do it,
but yeah, yeah look, we allhave limited time out there, and

(01:13:00):
you may as well make the mostout of it by fishing smart and
fishing the right way.

And to your point, a dead bunker
getting pulled on a treble doesnot have anything natural about
it no, and when you're sitting?
In this and it's spinning andyou have that school around it.
They're not going to go afterthat crazy spinning fish.
That doesn't look wounded, thatlooks wrong, right, but you get
a, you get a snag bunker.
It looks an axe wounded.
That's what they're going to goafter.

So it's and definitely twitch that rod, you
know if it gets back in thatschool.
You haven't got it.
Twitch that rod, let itseparate.
Let it be the only thing thatthey're going to see the only
restaurant in town right now.
Basically, all those fishdisperse exactly, but and they
do they know when it's injured.
Like I said, I witnessed thatone.
It jumped from one side ofschool to the next and jumped
right on my bait.
That was nowhere near it and Isaw it the second.

(01:13:44):
I hooked that fish and snaggedit.
It was like and on it instantly.
I was like Holy cow.
It was pretty incredible.

Now I want to go out and start
snagging some bunker.

We got a few more weeks here.
We got a few more weeks, yeah,yeah.

I'm yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to figureout how to get out there and
give it a go.
So, ed, before we go, is thereanything you wanted to add in?

no, I think we're good, we're all good.
Yeah, all right.
It was awesome talking with youguys.
We'll definitely you guys haveup in the long island area.

Come to me, we'll go fish, we'll
have some fun, have some laughsyeah, I'd love to, to come up
there and head out with you and,uh, and let's, let's see if we
can work something out with that.
Um, you know, I just I justlike going out and fishing
different places with differentpeople.
You know, get differentexperiences and, like you said,
I get to learn when I'm outthere on the water, I'm a

(01:14:32):
weekend guy.

Now I am officially a weekend warrior.

There you go.
Welcome to the group.
I was up until about a monthago and, and now that I'm not
working, I'm now a weekday.

Weekday.
Yeah, I wish the days weregreat.

Yeah , hopefully it's temporary.
I'll be back to the weekends ina little bit, but, joey, thank
you for coming on Everybody.

Fishing Long Island Fishing.

Long Island on YouTube.
Check it out, check it out onInstagram and everything like
that.
You definitely want to seethese things.
These are instructional videosand they're pretty damn
entertaining as well.
I feel like I'd love to go outand meet some of these guys that
you fish with, because you guyshave a hell of a good time when
you're out there we definitelyhave fun.

Life is too short not to have fun.
You gotta have fun.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (01:15:15):
Exactly Next week, we are actually
going to have El Nino on.

Oh, that's the fluke guy.

Yeah , yes, and he's going to be on.
We're going to talk a littlebit about the late season fluke
game because we're getting closeto the end of the season.
We're going to talk about that,but we're going to talk about a
whole lot of other stuff.
So he's going to be on onMonday night.
So everybody come back nextweek eight o'clock on Monday and

(01:15:46):
check that out.
It'll also be on the podcastfollowing that.
For those on the live stream,this will be live on the podcast
at midnight on Thursday morning.
So I guess Wednesday atmidnight, thursday at 12.
Oh, 1 AM, this one will be upthere.
Uh, so give me something tolisten to when you're driving
down and, uh, getting ready tohit the water for the day.
So, joey, thank you againEveryone.

(01:16:07):
We'll catch you next week.
So get out there, get on thewater, get some tight lines.

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