EP 45: Bearded Dad Meets Fat Dad: A Tale of Two Waters

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Jay - Bearded Dad Fishin (00:00):
people that think it's just like oh,
you got forward-facing sonar,now you catch fish because you
can't fit, because you don'tknow how to fish.
It's silly like it's like.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (00:08):
You have to learn how to use it
hello and welcome back to thefat dad fishing show.
I'm your host, rich natoli, andwe're back with another episode
, but we're going to be talkinga little bit about freshwater
and kayak fishing tonight.
We have on tonight Jay fromBearded Dad Fishing, and it's

(00:31):
funny because we live reallyclose to each other and we're in
two different worlds, so I'malmost purely saltwater and he
is essentially, at this point,purely freshwater, essentially,
at this point, purely freshwater.
So I think it's going to be aninteresting conversation because
we both, right before we cameon, both said we should probably

(00:52):
try the other one a little bitmore.
So maybe we'll get talking somestriper, we'll get talking some
bass, I'm sure, because that'swhat I'm interested in on the
freshwater side right now atthis time of year.
And, yeah, so Jay's going to beon just momentarily.
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quick.
We're going to keep this toabout an hour and we did start
late and I'm going to say, as Ibring Jay on screen, we are
starting just a couple minuteslate tonight.
My fault.

(03:47):
I was trying to get it so Jaycould actually broadcast this to
his channels, but we wereunable to get that done
successfully and we didn't wantto keep waiting.
So, jay, welcome aboard Good tosee you.

What's up, rich?
Thanks for having me, man, andit's okay, I'm accustomed to
being late.
We're Puerto Rican and PuertoRicans are late to everything.

See , I'm always on time.
All right, yeah, but that'swhat happens.
The corporate world killed mebeing on time, and I think part
of the reason I started being ontime is because it would give
me a reason to be pissed atpeople that were always late.
Oh there you go that I didn'tlike working with.
So, it was my own little pettyway of showing them up, so yeah,

(04:30):
so welcome to the stream.
I've been following you.
I want to let everyone know.
If they want to check you outonline.
Probably, in my opinion, thefirst place they should look is
the Kayak Fishing Dads Facebookgroup group.
And I mean, that's a dude, I'lltell you what that's.
That thing grew yeah, itexploded.

Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing (04:50):
Man, I didn't like.
My buddy was the one that.
So we started kayak fishing.
Dads, just kind of as a place,I don't know, talk about kayak
stuff.
There's plenty of groups outthere, but they all kind of seem
like niche specific.
Yep, yep, we started, and Istarted it in 2022, just kind of
on a whim, and we got close to45 000 members in there.

(05:11):
Now, yeah, that's man, people,people connect there and they go
fishing and they meet newfishing buds and that's that's
what it's all about.
I, I love seeing that so do I.

I'm a member there, have been for a
long time.
I don't talk much in there, I'mmore of a lurker.
I try to.
I'm also a mod for anotherlarge Facebook kayak group and
it's just so exhausting that bythe time I get out of doing the
moderation work and I'm justhanging out checking out kayak
fishing dads, I'm just like I'mjust kind of absorbing it and

(05:42):
not interacting.
I'm just like I'm just kind ofabsorbing it and not interacting
.
I'm just so tired, yeah, but Imean, but you know, these large
groups it can be tough tomoderate.

It can be really tough.
Oh yeah, get all kinds ofpeople in there.
Yeah, you get.
I mean, it's the biggest thingis trying to keep it free of the
spam bots and all the all thefake profiles, man, there are so
many.
Yeah yeah.
Besides that, most peoplebehave, I think.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (06:07):
Most people do, and you don't have a
lot of rules that are difficultfor people to follow Because
everybody says that they'regoing to go by the rules but
they really don't read the rulesand they're in 100 different
groups so they don't rememberthe rules and you don't have a
lot.
Yours are just kind of commonsense rules and you don't have a
lot.
Yours are just kind of commonsense rules.
The one that I'm a moderator in.
You have to.
If you post a picture of you onthe water, you have to have a

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PFD on or else it gets takendown.
So with 110, 120,000 people inthat group, you can imagine that
we are continuously.

But the niche is it's a nonprofit
that is centered on centered onkayak safety.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (06:48):
So it makes sense, right, yeah,
but yeah, it could be exhausting.
So why don't you, why don't westart off people that aren't
familiar with you?
Why don't you start off by, youknow, giving a little bit of
background about yourself?
Yeah, find you and what it isyou do on the water?

for sure man.
So I started water For sure man.
So I started bearded dadfishing in 2021.
I started kayak fishing in 2021.
So the idea, the idea juststarted from wanting to film
kind of my fishing exploits.
My wife bought me a GoPro and Ithought it was the coolest
thing and I was like man, I'mjust going to show her all the
fish I catch instead of theselike little crappy pictures.

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And I think my second time outwith the GoPro I landed my one
and only tiger musky and Ithought it was super cool.
She's like upload it to YouTube.
I was like, all right, cool.
So I did, and I have a videoediting pass.
Like I did that through most ofcollege and my first step in my
career was all video editing.
So it wasn't hard to kind ofget into that side of it and I

(07:45):
posted.
My first six videos were just megoing fishing and I thought
that was, it was fun.
But then you know, I got it wasjust exciting to get like 10
views on a video.
I was like man, that's 10people that I don't know that
are watching my video.
That's so neat.
Then I, for some reason, I juststopped.
I know why.
I got busy and then it got coldand I don't fish in the cold, so
I just stopped in thewintertime, picked it up again

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the next spring and I rememberwanting to go out fishing on my
birthday and I couldn't becauseit was going to rain and it was
still cold out.
So I was like, whatever, I'mjust going to do an overview of
my kayak here in my driveway.
So I did an overview of mykayak and that video just blew
up for me at the time, like Istarted getting hundreds of
views a day on the video and andquickly got monetized, maybe

(08:30):
within like nine months.
And that's when I was like well, maybe instead of just fishing
videos, I'll do more tutorialhow to you know, like, like
getting comfortable on the watertype videos.
So I've been that's kind of thelane I've been staying in.
I'll do a couple of fishingvideos a year, but for the most

(08:51):
part my videos are very muchgeared to people starting kayak
fishing that maybe don't feelcomfortable or they just don't
know that they're dealing withinformation overload, because
it's it's the internet and, yeah, I'm adding one more piece of
information to it, but I'mtrying to organize it where it's
not like all over the placeright, it's tough.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (09:07):
I started off doing just kind of
like me, fishing and then I wentinto like the how-to and I
don't do a lot of.
I don't do a lot of videosanymore because the the I I
mainly just do the live streamand the podcast because people
just get so pissed because youknow I will talk about a spot
specifically and people figureit out and they get so angry I'm

(09:29):
like, well, go to hell.
Then I don't need to tell youwhere it is.
I'm not, I'm not burning spots,I'm just, you know, it's just a
regular video, but I've hadsome some pretty.
It's just a pain in the ass andand I don't think what people
realize isyou spend.

You can spend hours on a five minute
video.

Yeah , you know hours to do that and
knowing that it's not going toget a hundred thousand views,
you just kind of do it to behelpful and it's like, well,
maybe I'm not going to do it somuch anymore yeah, it doesn't.

I mean if you're gonna, if, even
if you are monetized on youtube,I mean what you factor in for
for a video.
I I, on average I spend about15 hours of video and that's
between scripting, filming,editing, and then you've got to
work on all the backend stufflike the descriptions and the
tags and everything else.
Uh, but I mean, even if mostpeople are maybe making like a

(10:19):
couple of dollars on a video andthen they get one that blows up
, maybe they'll get more, butyeah, if they're lucky.

I would say that the average
person that just got monetizedis probably making about five
dollars a month yeah, I don't.

I don't think that's far off and
most people that you watch inthe kayak fishing space are not
monetized.
They do it because it's it'sfun.
You know it's fun.
It starts as a passion projectand sometimes it it when people
do something consistently enoughand and they start to get good
at it, they'll eke into.
They could start making somemoney out of it and then, yeah,

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I, I haven't hit that point.

Yeah , that's okay though, because,
as we were saying, you know off,you know before we came on here
, it's it's more of a passionproject for people and you know,
I and it really became clear tome that I just wanted to keep
doing this.
Even if I wasn't doing thevideos, I wanted to at least do
the podcast and the live stream,because I just have so much fun
doing it and I know that ithelps people.

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You know the guests that comeon on.
They introduce people to a newtype of fishing or new
strategies.
And, look, we all wish that wecould hang out all day with
people and talk fishing and wecan't.
So we figured, hey, mondaynight's a good time, we just got
through the first day of theweek, the worst day of the week

(11:42):
at work, and if we can just talkon Monday nights, maybe it'll
make things a little bit easierfor everyone.
And then we do the podcast.
Audio comes out on Thursdaymornings, just so that people
have enough time for thesaltwater guys coming from PA to
New Jersey or New York thatthey can actually listen to it
in the car on the way down andmaybe pick up some information,

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but you're not going to theshore.

I'm not yeah.
So yeah, we were talking beforewe went live that I it's on my
list to go fish the salt.
So I just again, I've only I'veonly really been fishing on a
kayak, for I've been fishingsince I was a kid, but it was
more on and off, and then on akayak since 2021, so what?
Four years.
So I've, you know, I do mostlylakes, small lakes around here.

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I just kind of startedventuring into river fishing
this year because thesusquehanna is not far from here
and it's, it's I want to go outto it more especially, it being
, you know, an hour and a half.

For me, it's basically in my
backyard right, no, but you,you're gonna have to.
You're gonna have to get usedto fishing in the cold, because
you had mentioned striped bassfishing a couple times with me
in our first email exchange, yousaid if I come on.
We got to go striped bassfishing.
That's cold weather, my friendis, is it?

Oh well, you know, that's the best
time.
It's the best time to go.
I just got to button up and getused to it, I guess.

Yeah , dry suit if it's late enough
in the year, or a wetsuit ifit's not quite that late.
Get some decent, you knowneoprene boots and you'll be
good.
But I'll tell you what.
There are very few things thatare as exciting as hooking into
a fall run striped bass andhaving it pulling you all around

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the place while you're tryingto bring it up, and then you
pull that damn thing out of thewater and 40 plus inches on it.
That's a pretty good feeling.
So we'll have to work on that.

For sure.
So I did catch striper off mykayak, but they were freshwater
striper and it was.
It was 16 and a half inches, soI mean I got, got a striper,
but you know I would much ratherprefer a 35 plus inch fish.

Yeah , I mean they're, they're fun.
But I'll tell you what the thethe fight on the small one.
They fight harder, the smallones, you know.
Obviously, with the size addedin on the 35 inch plus, you know
, you get to 30, 40 pound fish.
It just it feels a lot moreimpressive until you really
think about it.
They don't.
In my experience they don'tfight as hard as the smaller

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ones.
Smaller ones are like pissedoff and they're more aggressive.
The large ones.
They can sometimes turn intojust kind of like a dead weight
type of thing.

Okay.

It's cool when you pull it out of
the water, but then when youthink about the fight, it's like
it was all right, but youcaught a tiger muskie.

I did , yeah, so up in New York and
I've hooked into a couple herein Pennsylvania.
I just never because I'm nevertargeting them.
So I'm out there with whateversix, eight pound test, yeah, and
so they cut off real easily.
But the time in new york I alsowasn't targeting it and it was
just eight pound test, littlethree and a half inch like jerk

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bait, and sure enough this thingjust like just whams it and and
I caught it on video and it was, it was cool.
I mean I still watch that videojust because it's, it's.
I don't even know what to dowith myself.

All right.
So let me ask you this so Ihave my 10,000 plus casts and I
don't have one yet.
As I watch videos, there's onewith Kristen Fisher where she's
out there and she's catchingthese things, and this seems to
be.
So tell me about this.
You only caught the one.
Maybe you don't know, but itseems to me that the vast

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majority of muskie are caughtright at the boat on the figure
eight, and it's about a 13second fight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cause.
Then after that, like it's all,I mean depends if it'll run
with the drag, but a lot of themyou're catching them right
there with that figure eight.
And I have a good friend thattargets them all the time on
Lake St Clair and he's prettygood.
I mean he can get one or two ona trip and they get big out
there.
I mean that's big, it's bigfreshwater.

I just want the fight.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I saw the one where Chrisand this is nothing against
Kristen she's obviously very,very good at what she does.
She caught a couple on thistrip, and the first one I was
like it's not the fight thatyou're looking for for this fish
, it's the fact that you caughtit, because as soon as it's
hooked up, they're grabbing thenet.

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And on the third swing around Idon't think this was Kristen
doing it, but on the third swingaround, I mean because it's
it's there's like no leader left.
It's all the way reeled upright when they hooked it just
pulled it right into the net andit was a big fish that was over
40 inches, I think was huge.
Oh yeah, did you see the?

one that bit her knee I didn't, yeah
, so she had one.
She's like a pitcher, like it,was it just it just flopped to
the side it was probably like a40 inch plus fish and flopped to
the side and just grabbed ahold of her knee.

Oh , it grabbed it.

Yeah, yeah, she had to shove her
finger in there to pop it off,that's ballsy, even throwing
your finger in there too.
Yeah.

I guess that's a pure reaction.
You got to do something at thatpoint.

Yeah, they're pretty gnarly man.
I mean to think how pissed offthey are to even at that.
I mean cause when you're doingthat figure eight, you can shove
the rod in the, in the waterand everything.
They don't care they, they see.
They probably see nothing Causeit's just tunnel vision on
whatever's ticking them at thatpoint, and then they'll go for
it.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (17:15):
That's awesome.
I can't believe it.
It bitter, though.

Yeah.

Was she damaged?

really bad Did she have to get
stitches and everything.
I don't think she had to getstitches, but I mean, I think it
left a pretty cool stucco.

That's like.
The one thing that alwaysconcerns me about different
species is their teeth flyingaround once they're in the boat.
And you know I get nervous, asI'm sure you do, if you were to
catch one on a kayak, bringingit into your lap Like sharks.
I really don't like bringing ashark in because they can turn
around and they can get you whenyou have them by the tail.

(17:50):
I've been bit by a shark beforebecause I was stupid when it
was in the boat.
I can't imagine bringing amuskie that size in Snakeheads I
don't know, I think snake heads.
Do you go snake head fishing?

No, it's on my list.
Those things look fun.

Damn .
I was going to say, if you gosnake head fishing, I want to
follow you, because that's theone thing that I'm trying to get
into and I haven't caught oneyet.
I've been silently going, everyonce in a while as I cross
places that, look good, gotkicked off somebody's property a
few weeks ago.
I didn't realize it was private.
I, I, there was a little fryball there too.

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I was like, oh, this is goingto be great.
And the guy's like, hey, Idon't mind if you're here right
now, but this is private.
I was like damn it yeah allright, I'll leave, I'm out, I'm
out, but those are.
So you do have the toothy guysfor the fresh water we do.

I mean they're not, I wouldn't say
they're probably as aggressive,or as many of them, as maybe
saltwater.
You know we got like thepickerel walleye musky, you know
, but what?

are you targeting?

most of the time, though, mostly bass
, so a large mostly bass.
Now we'll do so.
Last year for the first time Itargeted black crappie, so my
buddy Jake, who's in the chat wewent for some black crappie and
that was fun and they'redelicious too.
I've never had freshwater fish,really yeah, so those were

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pretty good.
I've heard walleye are goodthey are I like walleye?

I used to catch a lot of walleye.
I always get concerned becauseof where you're fishing
Freshwater Is it clean enough?
Like catfish?
I don't know that there's acatfish in Pennsylvania I would
eat just because of what theyeat and where they are out of
the skookle.

I don't think so.

Rich Natoli - Fat Da (19:43):
Snakeheads are apparently good.
I do love walleye, though, butyou're mostly going largemouth,
yeah.
So when does your season end?

So I mean it really starts to slow
down around August.
But I mean you can I'm notmistaken we can target them all
the time, except for duringtheir spawn, which, yeah, I mean
in Jersey and New York.
You can target them, you justcan't harvest.
And I mean right, peopleharvest bass over here anyways,
for sport fishing no, I bass.

I mean I've had bass.
They're very fishy.
It's not my favorite, you know,kind of like blue fish, but
blue fish I think have a littlebetter taste, even though it's
just as strong, so I'lldefinitely eat the blue fish.
I'm seeing in the chat therecommendation that you want to
go saltwater.
We're going to do in December atog trip out on one of the

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charter boats, so I'll send youan email when we do that.
We're just a bunch of viewersand listeners for the podcast.
Get together, we all jump onthe boat together.
I think we went on the ospreylast time.
We'll probably do that again.
Just head off atlantic city.
It's going to be cold but it's,I mean, tog fishing.
Have you ever gone tog fishingat all ever?
Do you know what a tog is?

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I don't okay, I've heard of itplenty, but I don't know yeah
okay, so tall tog it's blackfish is is also one of the names
for it.
It's a, a bottom fish onstructure.
So you're fishing wrecksoffshore.
It is cold, it is bottomfishing, but it is so much fun.
It's crazy.
When you hook one of thosethings, they immediately try to

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run for cover.
So you got to clear them out ofthe wreck by just cranking as
hard as you can to get them out.
And then they'll dig and theystart digging.
That rod is like doubled andall they're trying to do is get
into the rocks or into thestructure, because once they get
in they go in head first andthey extend their fins and just
sit there.
So it locks them in like ananchor.

It's so much fun Are they big.

They can get pretty big.
I think the world record iswhat?
26 pounds.
Okay, six pounds, I think it is.
Yeah, new Jersey state record,I think his was 20, about 24.
So, yeah, it's it, it's fun, soI'll, I'll get you on that.
But large mouths, large mouthbass what?

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So if you're going to befishing for that coming up,
let's talk a little bit aboutyour tactics, because we do
definitely have freshwaterfishermen that listen to and
watch this.
What are you doing at this timeof year in eastern Pennsylvania
when you're heading out on thewater?

Yeah.
So I mean we're kind of gettingout of the topwater bite.
So I mean all summertimetopwater frogs, whopper poppers
probably my favorite, or choppo.
So we're just working on thattopwater frogs, whopper poppers,
probably my favorite, or choppo, yeah, but we're just, we're
just working on that topwater my.
My buddy got me onto that buzzbite.
Uh, buzz, buzz bait bite thisyear, which was fun.

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I mean, I've been, I'm I'm likelearning all new types of
techniques, uh, but you can'tbeat a topwater bite when it
comes to the fishing period, man, it's just, it's just something
exciting about it yeah, so, uh,I mean that's, that's kind of
that like and I have myconfidence baits that I feel
like always, like in thesummertime specifically, even in

(22:56):
this type of wow temperatureright now like throwing out a
fluke is always a always a gooddeal.
Yeah, I mean, we're throwingout like four, four or five inch
flukes and they're almostalways hitting it so it's just a
jerk bait but so are you.

Are you using different tactics for
small mouth versus a largemouth, or you look in different
places?

yeah, so I'm not, I'm not super
experienced with small mouth.
I mean, I've caught them, buttheir, their behavior is
different, and usually smallmouth will go deeper, and so
they're not.
They're not going to be hangingout around the same spots for
the most part, so but, but I'mstill.
We're going up to Otisco in NewYork, so one of the it's the
Eastern most finger Lake up inNew York.

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So we're going up theretargeting small mouth just a
couple of weeks, man.

So we're like the opposite.
So I have caught very few largemouth but small mouth I've
caught a lot and people alwayssay, well, how many large mouth?
I'm like I I don't know.
I could probably count them ontwo hands, you know in my life,
and they just don't get it andI'm like I think they're in
different spots because oh forsure people, and they catch them

(24:05):
all the time.
And I'm fishing the same day,the same area and I'm catching
all smallmouth yeah, yeah, solargemouth tend to stay more
shallow.

Yeah, uh, they'll get deeper, but
they tend to get.
You won't find a smallmouth tobe up that shallow most of the
time, and even when they bed, II'm pretty they bed a little bit
deeper.

That's just so.
The whole bedding thing, thatis not a saltwater thing.
No, that is not.
No.
No, I mean I don't think so.
Unless I'm missing somebody inthe chat.
Tell me if I'm just notthinking of something.
But there is no like beddingdown or anything like that.
You know, you can't see, likethe crappie, and where they've

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been and where to target, it'sjust like they're all over the
place.
So that's like a wholedifferent tactic to me.
It's not something that I'mfamiliar with.
But I want to tell you, though,you're the approach that you
use with that top water, andactually for any bass, small
mouth included, it's going todirectly translate to those
straight bass in the in the saltwater and actually for any bass

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, smallmouth included, it'sgoing to directly translate to
those striped bass in thesaltwater All the way down to
very similar baits.
And a lot of people won'tmention this, but if you're
fishing saltwater for stripedbass, you can use frogs.
Frogs work, and they workreally well because they push a
lot of water and they make a lotof commotion.
So if they're feeding and it's atop water bite.

(25:26):
You can actually use a frog.
You can also use the little themouse lures.
Those work as well they'll eatall those things, but it goes.
But most of it is actuallysubsurface for for the vast
majority of the fishing.
Yeah, so, so okay, so you'regoing out, let's say you're
going out for large mouth.
The top water bite is kind ofwinding down.

(25:48):
Let's say it's October, so it'sit's kind of winding down.
You're going subsurface.
What is it that you're using atthat point?

So typically I'll throw on a fluke
will be my next go-to, because Ijust feel comfortable with a
fluke.
It's, it's cause you, you justthe the, the motion it gets is
really erratic and you can, youcan tie on a fluke so that it
can stay.
So I gotta stay in frame here,but you could tie it on so that
it can.
When you jerk it, it popsupwards, so so you're getting a

(26:16):
little bit more subsurface andsometimes they'll just even pop
through the surface and comeback down.
Or you can rig it so that whenyou jerk it it comes down a
little bit.
So but you, you, you're stillgoing to be in that two foot ish
deep water, um, so, and ifthat's not working, then I'll
tie on a jerk bait, like a hardjerk bait, like a Rapala.

(26:36):
The X wraps are my favorite, orthe shadow wraps, um, and I, I
like the suspending jerk baitsand uh, and a lot of people like
the floating ones, which arefine, but I just something about
it.
I just liked the suspendingones and I feel like I get
better luck with those, butbecause you can control the
depth a little bit easier withthose versus a fluke, you could
tie on, you know something witha little bit of a of a bigger

(26:58):
bill and get it down to eightfeet, so you can kind of play
with that whole, that wholerange of of the water column.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (27:05):
Right , the suspending, I think, are
underrated.
You know, the floating.
I used to use floating all thetime and I realized it was
because it gave me a startingpoint, so I'd see it pop to the
top and then I'd know okay, acertain number of cranks is when
I'm going to get it down towhere it really needs to be.
But the problem with that isI'm out of the zone for half the

(27:30):
time.
You know they're.
They're not feeding on the top,that's that's why I'm not
fishing top water, so thefloating ones for most of the
now.
They they do have a greatapplication for certain
situations, but I used to use itas a default for fresh water
and it was definitely not theright way to go.
I actually stopped using those.
The suspending are great.
You like the X-Wraps?
You said.

Yeah, what size are you using the
four inch?

The four inch.

Okay, all right, they get pretty big.
They got some bigger ones, butI don't.
I think I might have one fiveinch, but I stay right around
that four inch mark.
Well, the big ones.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (28:02):
They're still going to eat the smaller
stuff.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, man.
One thing I don't mess aroundwith a whole lot are like the
smaller jerk baits, so like thelike the two and a half inch
rapala is like the three inchlike it's.
It's seldom that I'll throw one.

I find like that four inch to be
that sweet spot that works a lotyeah, okay, you know, and what,
what, what, what's your, yourwhole setup like for your you?
You know you're, you're headingout on the kayak, you're going
to reach around behind you toyour 34 rods that you have back
there.
You carry at least eight rightI don't I carry six, Six yeah so

(28:35):
.

I don't know if that makes makes
much of a difference, so butyeah.

So the first rod that you grab,
what?
What is it?
What's that entire setup, therod, the reel, the line and all
of that, what's the first thingthat you're pulling out?

So typically, I mean, I, most of my
, most of my setups are going tobe like all around, like, like
I try to make it versatile, like, yeah, I carry six rods but I'm
probably not using more thanthree of them.
Um, you know.
So.
So my main ones, like a mediumheavy, is going to be I have.
So most of my rods are impulserods, cause I was working with
them on on a sponsorship basislast couple of years and uh, so
I still have a lot of those.

(29:14):
But impulse rods makes theymake really good rods.
They're a little bit on the onthe pricier side of things, so I
don't try to steer peopletowards them, because sometimes
you don't really need to spend$250 for a rod For most people
Again, most of the people I workwith and do my videos for are
beginners.
No way I'm telling you to get a$400 setup when you're just
starting out with a $400 kayakRight.

(29:36):
So, like a 7'3" medium heavy,usually a bait caster.
If I'm throwing something alittle bit bigger, I prefer a
spinning rod.
Whenever I can swing a spinningrod, I'll go for a spinning rod
and then I'll do 15-pound braidon my spinning rods with a
10-pound fluorocarbon leader andthen on my bait casters I was

(30:01):
running braid, but this year Istarted running 12-pound
fluorocarbon 10 or 12, dependingon which one I'm grabbing.
But really.

How does that?
How's that working out comparedto the braid?

I prefer so for the ease of of
casting and picking out yourbird's nest.
I prefer the braid because Iuse shoot.
It's a power pro braid and it'sI've never had an issue.
I think I've had one bird'snest I've ever couldn't pick out
on my own with the braid andwith the fluorocarbon.
I feel like they're just alittle bit trickier to work out
if you get a nasty one well,especially if you get a kink in
there, then you're done.

(30:39):
Yeah, yeah, I do prefer, Iprefer the I do prefer the braid
, but I'm getting used to thefluorocarbon on there for the
baitcasters.

Okay , yeah, I have found on my
baitcasters.
The first time that I got oneand I was testing it, I had
fluoro on there.
That was the biggest waste ofmoney because it was expensive
to put on and it was bird nestafter bird nest.
I am terrible at casting abaitcaster and I just it was
bird nest after bird nest.
I am terrible at casting a baitcaster.
I just never learned it and Itried to learn it when I was

(31:10):
like 50.
Yeah, yeah, the old dog, newtricks.
Yeah, I didn't learn that onevery well.
I'm terrible at casting it.

They are tricky and the big mistake
that people make is that whenthey're getting into and I was
fortunate enough to have afriend that told me this right
away is they buy a cheap baitcaster because they don't want
to dive in too much money onsomething they don't know if
they're gonna like.
But usually that ruins theexperience.
I mean, your brakes are allmessed up, it doesn't cast nice,
it's not smooth, so then whatwould have been probably better

(31:44):
casting and a better experienceends up being more frustration.
And then people just kind ofsay, nah, I'm going to just
stick with spinning gear becauseI'm one.
I try to avoid a bait caster fora while, just because I didn't.
I don't like to learn newthings if I don't have to.
Once I'm comfortable, I like toset in.
So that's.

That's how I am, and my first bait
caster was whatever I forgetwhat, the quantum, whatever.
It is the same thing that JohnSkinner uses for those that are
watching and listening, and Igot it for literally vertical
fishing, not to cast justbecause it's more convenient to
use it.
And then I started casting with.
I was like this is not quiteright, but I wanted to be able

(32:23):
to flip under docks and that'sreally, really hard with a
spinning rod to do.
But you can.
You can flip and skip a loteasier with a bait caster.
So yeah, paul put in there it'san Acura.
So yeah, it's the Acura that Igot and it's just, it is not a
casting not a casting reel it'sat least I can't cast with it

(32:45):
very well.
And then I got another one Don'tremember what that is just to
practice with and I got a littlebit better.
But I'll tell you what I atthis point I just won't skip
under docks because I just can'tdo it.
But that kind of leads into myquestion Are you skipping
undercover at all with thesebait casters?

I switched.
I will switch to my spinninggear if I have to flip under
something or skip undersomething, just because I will,
I will birds nest it okay.
So I'm, and I'm practicing.
This year I did a little bitmore, but just to save the
aggravation, I'll just go andswitch to my spinning gear,
because we we'll skip underdocks and that's where a lot of

(33:24):
the bass hang out, you know.
But some guys, some guys canget some good distance on a bait
caster and it always just likeblows my mind, like I don't know
how you do it without your reel, just I don't get it.

I I don't get it because as soon
as it hits this like the secondskip to me, that's where it just
starts bird bird's nest rightthere, because it slows it just
enough that it overruns itself.
So I guess you're supposed todo something with your thumb.
But with the spinning reel, areyou doing the two-handed?
You're holding the line andthen you're just kind of letting
it go and through your hand, orare you just doing the
one-handed flip?

so usually a one-handed.
Uh, if I can.
It depends if I'm, if I'mstanding, because I'll stand and
fish quite a bit, but if I haveto get pretty low, then it just
leverage-wise and kind of likewhere I'm aiming.
It's a little easier when I'msitting down.

Yeah , yeah, I'll tell you what man.
Freshwater fishing is gettingharder and harder for me just
thinking about it.

Yeah, so question for you, though One
thing that's big withfreshwater fishing is
forward-facing sonar, and I'vestarted getting into it last
year and I've been using it morethis year, especially for
targeting small mouth Likethat's.
That's the thing now.
A lot of the guys that arecompeting.
If you don't understand forwardfacing sonar, you're at a

(34:39):
disadvantage.
Is that as important?
In saltwater, are people usingforward-facing sonar?

Oh yeah, they're using it and I
don't use it, but I also don'tfish for the species as much
that you get the huge benefitsout of it.
So from my perspective, aquote-unquote fish finder is not
for finding fish.
I use it almost entirely justto find structure and based on

(35:10):
what I know about the fish thatI'm targeting and that species
and the you know, reading thecurrents around there, knowing
the tides and the wind I candetermine that the fish is most
likely in this spot.
So all I need to do is findthat kind of structure and I'll
fish that structure whether Isee something or not.
Now then you look at somebodyagain.
Let's go to Paul, who's fishingfor sheep's head.

(35:36):
So sheep's head are going to beright up against structure
really tight.
Let's say it's a, a bridgepiling.
You can be damn sure that Paulhas a forward facing or people
like Paul have forward facingsonars on there and live scopes
and all this.
You know whatever you want tocall these things, and they're
looking for the individual fishbefore they fish that that
piling, because otherwise you'regoing to spend 25 minutes to a

(35:58):
half an hour fishing a bridgepiling that has no fish and
there's there's no way to tell.
So I think, from thatstandpoint, if you're a sheep's
head fishing, as an example,yeah.
If you're tog fishing, no,because they're hiding not all
the time, but quite oftenthey're coming out of the
structure, so you're not goingto necessarily see them anyway.

(36:19):
They're inside something orbetween rocks.
Fluke, they won't show up.
They're on the bottom.
Striped bass I don't.
I'll say this if you need itfor striped bass, you need to go
back to school and work on howto catch them, because you
shouldn't need forward facing.
For striped bass.
Side side scan works fine,because all you need to do is

(36:43):
find the school of bait fishing.
You'll find the actual fishwith it.
So that's my take on salt water.
But, man, I'll tell you whatI've watched some people online
freshwater.
It is amazing.
It is amazing what they'redoing with it and the.
You know these guys, sheepsheadfishing.
You know they're.
I mean they're.
They're saving so much time, somuch energy, you know so.

(37:07):
I can see why it's unfair tosome people for tournaments.

Yeah, and I mean, I don't think the
folks that and I'm okay withtournaments, banning it, Like if
they're going to do atournament with no
forward-facing sonar or limitedelectronics or you know, for
kayaking, some of them don'tallow motors, which is Right,
which is right, you know, makessense if someone wants to
compete that way.
But people that think it's justlike oh, you got forward-facing

(37:32):
sonar, now you catch fishbecause you can't fit, because
you don't know how to fish.

it's silly like no, for the most
part, I don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy that.
I mean, look, you can sit onany boat, any charter boat, and
go out with a whole bunch ofpeople and nine times out of 10,
the best fisherman right nextto you is going to catch

(37:56):
exponentially more fish than youbecause they know how to fish
and they know how to work thelure and everything.
Just because something's theredoesn't mean you're going to get
it and you know.
Ultimately, what it comes downto is.
For me, my favorite part isfinding the fish and getting
that hook up.
For some people it's reeling itin and everything, but for me
it's finding it and then foolingit into biting something that

(38:20):
it should never want to bite.
You know so artificial andthere's just such a difference
in skill there.
I mean, even for some of thesebottom fishermen you know
they're, they're pulling up tog,they're catching them on bait
they're doing little thingsdifferent than the person next
to them.
So I I I've never bought thecheat code thing.
It's definitely a time saver,but you put somebody who's not

(38:43):
really good at fishing for bassnext to somebody and give them a
live scope and then you putthem next to a pro, the pro.
He's not even going to flinch,he's going to bail fish all day
and you know the novice isn'tgoing to catch anything, even
though he can see exactly whathe's targeting.

Yeah, yeah, man.
I mean, if it was the case,these pros on the Elite Series
like Bassmaster, that arecomplaining about forward-facing
sonar, they'd be catching fishleft and right.
But a lot of people don't wantto learn the technology or
they're just stubborn.
I mean, as you get older youget more stubborn and I'm
starting to realize that.

Yeah , yeah.
The other thing that also kindof factors into that line of
thinking is not just the sonarbut the spot lock.
So for saltwater that becamebig because there is an art to
anchoring over structureoffshore.
So it's not like you're justdropping a single anchor, you're

(39:40):
on two hooks.
So you're setting out twoanchors and you're positioning
the boat with the current andthe wind so that you are
directly over top of the wreckthat you want to fish.
That takes a lot of skill, alot of time and a lot of
experience to do it right.
And now you got these creditcard captains coming out with
spot lock and they just fly out,they hit the number and they

(40:01):
just hit lock and they're stuckon this spot which you know.
I get it.
The captain that you know hasbeen going out there for 30
years, not only found the spoton their own, but they know how
to to work the hooks to get overtop of it.
Now it doesn't, it doesn't evenmatter people just come right up
next to you and spot lock onyour same spot.

So yeah, yeah, it's like an
irrelevant skill at this pointbecause and I have spot lock on
my kayak.
It is nice it is.

Yeah , I don't, you know, I don't.
I don't begrudge anyone forusing it, I don't, it's just I.
But I can see why the, the, uh,the old school captains are
upset.
That to me, that to me, is moreof a cheat code than the, the,
the different types of newsonars that people have, because
, again, certain types of fish,like a tog, it's going to be in

(40:50):
that structure and half of thebattle used to be getting over
that structure so you could getyour line into it vertically.
Now anybody can do that.
So it definitely changed thegame there.
But I don't know, man, do youthink that this is kind of off
topic?
But is it just me or is thereso much drama about all this

(41:13):
crap and fishing?
It's like I feel like it's abunch of little teenage kids
complaining.
You know, it's like you didthis, you did that you showed
that you.
There's just so much of that infishing.

Now it's like you did this, you did
that you showed that you there'sjust so much of that in fishing
now it's crazy I think itpoints to a bigger issue of
people just want to argue abouteverything dude in fish.
I think it just it bleeds intofishing because that's what
we're passionate about and we,you know we partake in the most.
But I mean people, people justwant to argue and debate, and

(41:45):
I'm not about that.
Like I'll debate somebody aboutsomething if I'm passionate
enough about that, but for themost part people just they
listen to respond.
They don't listen to understand.
So once you got someone likethat, why are you wasting your
breath?
Yeah, I agree, I've had thosediscussions about the LiveScope
and everything else and peopleare also passionate about

(42:08):
Alabama rigs and using more thantwo hooks and some people get
really pissed off about it,which you know.
Whatever Get mad about it, butI'm not going to sit there and
argue with someone aboutsomething silly.

I try not to.
There are certain things that Ido feel very strongly about.
There are certain things that Ido feel very strongly about,
you know, there are certainconservation things.
I try not to argue, though, butit's just.
It's really Eye opening towatch like a 60 year old dude
gets so bent out of shape overthe dumbest things and then but.

(42:41):
But then what makes it worse isthey don't even realize they're
being trolled 90% of the time.
And somebody posted somethingjust to piss you off Stripe bass
.
It's every year people getbored because they're off the
water in the late fall, you know, because they're off the water
in the late fall, you know.
So they'll post a picture fromlike 1986, when it was legal to

(43:02):
keep every size fish there isand as many as you wanted.
And they're going to have thisgrainy photo that was obviously
scanned from like a Kodak cameraand it's like a dock filled
with like 30 dead stripers andthey just post it and they're
like caught it at hop to kong innew york and and everyone jumps

(43:22):
on it that's not legal.
You're an asshole.
It's like dude, come on firstof all the guy's the guy's 22
based on his profile.
He wasn't around when the kodakcameras even existed and yeah,
then they just sit back andwatch everyone get upset.

Well, it's worse now with AI, because
and I love AI Forprofessionally or for whatever
learn to use AI, because if youdon't, you will be at a
disadvantage.
But my dad watches a lot ofYouTube and my dad's about to be
75.
He has a hard time, though,discerning what's AI and what's

(43:57):
not he.
He has a hard time, though,discerning what's ai and what's
not, so, whether it's video orvoice or pictures, he's usually
asking me he'll be like jay, isthis, is this ai?
And I have to tell him like andmost of the time, like we have
we're.
If you mess around with itenough, you get an eye pretty
easy to pick up what when it is,but, like a lot of those older
guys, just don't.

But like a lot of those older guys
just don't.

No, you know.

My mother-in-law falls for AI.
Every she keeps repostingthings.
It's like it's not real.
It's not real.
My daughter called me.
She's like, oh, she did it.
I'm like it's fine, it's fine,but you know reposting all this
stuff, the whole thing lately,like you'd think every sports
person has a say on everything,and they're all fake quotes out

(44:39):
there and fake videos and youthink Joe Rogan introduces every
single topic for everybody onYouTube.
The guy must be the busiest guyin the world.
It's just AI and and and allthat other stuff going.
But, yeah, I do agree, I use AIevery day at work.
Yeah, just can't, just can'tget away from it.
You better use it.

(45:00):
But it's crazy, man, it's crazysome of the stuff out there,
but you get to see it a lotbecause you're a social media
fisherman.

Yeah, right, like you share
everything For the most part,and I'm able to use a lot of the
AI stuff when I'm creatingcontent which is cool, and not
necessarily to create my videos,but to prepare for my videos.
I use AI just to help meprepare for my scripts, just so
I have a little bit more of anautomated workflow, things like

(45:31):
that and content creation.
And one thing I found is that alot of guys that fish.
They want to start a youtubechannel, which I'm all for it.
I started it almost right awayand, uh, it didn't, it didn't go
crazy right away, but if youstick with anything consistently
, you'll get better at it.
So I like I like to help guyslike kind of build up some of

(45:54):
those skills, whether it's videoediting or even just like, hey,
picking out the right GoPro andrecording yourself, because you
build a lot of real worldtalent and abilities through
doing something like a YouTubechannel.
I mean because you're learningmarketing.
You're learning how to presentwell and speak better.
You're learning how to writeand how to hook people into a

(46:16):
story Because it's allstorytelling in a way and how
well you can keep someoneengaged.

The best channels are, and that's,
I think, why mine isn't bigger.
I'm not the greatest atstorytelling, but that's
literally what it comes down to.
You got to be able to tell thestory in a compelling way, and
I've read the books.
I'm just not as good atexecuting, but I'll tell you
what AI can do it, oh yeah.
So I'll say write this in thisvoice, referencing all the

(46:44):
information from this book, andgive me a script and it'll do it
.
You know, which is helpful forsome of the videos I do for work
.
You know most of mine are justkind of off the cuff now, but,
yeah, you learn a lot of skillsand I used to help people, you
know, to get started with theiryoutube channels, and a couple
of them are bigger than mine.
Not that I have a large channel, but I, I, I love when people

(47:07):
want to start them and, yeah,they call me and ask to help
them out yeah, I mean there'snever a bad time to do it.

I mean it's just like a lot of
people default to like, oh,there's a lot of competition,
like why am I going to do it?
It's like, yeah, there's alwaysa, there's always competition.
But yeah, most people will bailbefore they make it to through
five or six videos.
And even if you decide you dofive or six videos and you say,
hey, this isn't for me and youbail, then whatever, you learn
something in those five or sixvideos.

(47:35):
But you know, a lot of timespeople gravitate to a creator or
a style of creator because itresonates with the who they are,
in their personality yeah andthere's room for everybody you
said the thing that I think isthe most important.

At the beginning you're like, yeah
, I was only getting 10 views,but I was like, wow, that's 10
people I don't know that arewatching.
I mean, that's, that's prettycool.
People are, are I?
I?
I heard people complainingbefore, so I used to work for
salt strong and be like, oh, I'donly got this number of views.
I'm like it's 20,000 people.
Yeah, you're going to complainabout 20.
You just helped 20,000 people.

(48:09):
Like, why are?
Why is that an issue?
You know it could be a thousandand all you need is to help a
few and I I just never got that.
I think people don't trulyunderstand just how many people
that is.

So, yeah, well, especially when
you're comparing yourself toother creators or other other
channels, because I mean, yeah,you're not gonna start off
getting 50 000 views on a videoor whatever you know I.
Then, yeah, I'd love to get 50000 views on my video like that,
but it just it doesn't happenand it's not overnight success,

(48:45):
it's.
It might look like it you know,but it's just, it's just
consistency and sticking with itand you know.
But, like you said, you pick upa lot of stuff doing that you
do.

I mean, I can edit videos, I can
edit audio, I can start apodcast, I can uh, I can.
I can do a lot of things.
I can script.
I can use ai very well at thispoint because I I have used it.
I understand seo.
I understand hashtags when theywork and when they don't.
I know how to do hooks you know,I know how to do outros, all of

(49:17):
those things and those those dotranslate directly into
business, which is always good,and it has helped me to help
other people with the thingsthat they're doing.
Yeah, but let me ask you areyou, are you?
You said gopro a couple times.
Do you use gopro?

so I was I don't anymore, so I used
it so I'm actually using insta360 okay so I was using gopro
for I don't know the last three,the last three years, and then
I switched over.
I was gonna make the jump todji, just because they've been
doing really good work withtheir mini, with their action

(49:54):
cameras yeah but I startedworking with insta 360.
They sent me some gear.
You know what transparenttransparency they get.
They sent me gear for free, butit was not like I had to say
anything specific.
They just said, hey, check thisout, make a, make some a review
on it and give your honestthoughts.
So I got started with the x5,which just came out a couple

(50:14):
months ago, and it's that 360camera that they have.
Yeah, and and I probably withina week or so, I was like man,
this is for me, like it's justthe way that insta 360 made
their app so intuitive.
To editing a 360 camera is kindof mind-boggling, especially
when you're coming from gopro,which I feel like it's the

(50:34):
opposite of intuitive.
They they drop the ball all thetime on on making things
streamlined, from theiraccessories to the way that
their files work and edit andusing their actual heads-up
display and everything yeah so Imean it works and if people
want to get started with goprobecause there's so many in the

(50:54):
market, you can get a good usecheap one.
Yeah, but for me, insta 360, asof the last several months, has
been what I've been using, andalso they have what they call
the ace pro 2, which is theirdirect competitor to gopro.
So it's a smaller action camera, so it's not 360 right.

But now are they?
Are they fully immersiblewaterproof?

they.
Yeah, so they are up to the one.
I forgot which one is which,but one's up to 12 meters, the
other one's up to 15 meters andthen, if you put a special case
on it, you can go deeper thanthat.
Okay.

So I'm asking because I've been
using DJI.
I absolutely love DJI.
I don't love the fact that theycan essentially steal all your
stuff and get into your devicesbecause you have to have an
account, so I don't like that.
However, I was out recently,submerged one camera and it
decided to blow up, so thelithium got.

(51:47):
Somehow, water got in, it hitthe lithium battery and it just
went underwater.
So it was pretty impressive.
I was like what the hell ishappening?
It was on a, it was on a pole.
I was like, oh no I left itunderwater until it did its
thing.
But yeah, so the salt water hitit.
So now I'm in the market tolook for a couple of new cameras

(52:09):
and I'm not going back to gopro.
I just don't think quality andthe reliability is there no I
don't like having camerasoverheat in 25 degree weather,
which happens all the time withthem, and they just shut off
randomly, or they actually youknow what?
Have you ever had this?
They don't shut off, they'restill on, but the battery's dead
yeah, yeah, and it's.

Jay - Bearded Dad Fishi (52:30):
They'll glitch, they'll freeze up.
I mean I've I don't want tosound like ungrateful, like I
went very far and I started mychannel.
The first two years I shoteverything on my GoPro.
So I mean I'm grateful for that, but at the same time, like
it's not the best option anymore.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (52:48):
Right , especially at the cost.

Yeah, yeah, because it's not that far
off.
I mean, for their new Hero 13is like $370.
The Insta360's version of theAce Pro 2 is 399.
And I don't know what DJI sitsat, but it's right in that
window there.
So they do the apps better, djitoo.
I mean, the apps are just veryfluid and there's not a whole

(53:13):
lot of freezing and all thatstuff.

So , yeah, I'm going gonna have to
try out those.
I gotta find a new camera atsome point.
I I do still record my stuff.
I just haven't edited anyvideos lately, all right, so
we're getting up against it here, so we're gonna have to go.
But there is a question thatjames flynn is asking and I
wanted to throw it up therebecause I am interested in this
as well.
So what's?
Your must watch fishing channelthat you would recommend to

(53:39):
people outside of your own.

All right, so my, so my, favorite
channels are you mentionedChristine Fisher.
I like Christine Fisher.
She does.
She does a really good jobstorytelling and she's just a
beast when it comes to catchingbass and musky.
So Christine Fisher is probablymy first one.
Greg Blanchard is really greattoo.
He fishes a lot in the Delta inCalifornia, but he's from

(54:06):
upstate New York so he fishesthe Finger Lakes quite a bit, so
Greg Blanchard is another onethat I like to watch.

Okay , all right, so James add those.
I'm going to add those.
Oh well, I already haveChristine, all right, so James
add those.

I'm going to add those.
Oh well, I already haveChristine, I do not have the
other.

Yeah , and if you, if, uh so, and my
buddy from Michigan his is theoutdoor conquest.
He does a lot of musky fishingvideos.
They bought boats andeverything just for muskie and
they'll go weeks of fishing andnot even never seeing one.
But it doesn't change howexcited they are to go out and
float down that river again,like the next weekend.
So I get it, I get it, but,like I said, I'm also well over

(54:55):
my 10,000 casts and I've nevereven seen one.
The only one that I ever hookedwas by accident when I was a
teenager and I was bass fishingand it was on for about three
seconds, that was it.
It was down in the where thePerky I tell everyone exactly
where it is, where the Perky,omen Creek and Oaks comes out,

(55:18):
near a dam it was right thereand yeah, it was also 25, 30
years, probably 30 years ago atthis point, and I get it, I get
it.

But yeah, it's, it's the allure of
the that fish, you know.
So we have a couple spots here.
There's in pennsylvania,there's leaser lake and
neutropoli.
It's a smaller, it's maybe 120acres, but it's one of the few
areas around here that stockspretty well with muskies yeah
and there's also one calledkircher's creek, which is a very

(55:50):
small lake I mean maybe 50acres, and they have musky in
there as well okay, so anyonewho wants to go, let me know
when you're going, maybe I'll uh, I'll meet you there, you know,
yeah, for sure man yeah, sohe's paul's asking this question
here.

Have you tried bay casters like the
corrado?

yeah so full speed.
So I have the shimano slx dc.
So it's the.
The dc is the digital chip andit does.
It does apply the braking to toprevent the birds nesting.
So, that said, I have birdsnested it before but it's been
user error and it has on the slx.

(56:33):
It has four settings on theside, one through four.
So same way you would have thebrakes that go one through 10 on
the other side.
Yeah, so it is a little bitharder to bird's nest it, so not
impossible.
But I think it's good for guyswanting to start off with
something.

All right, I could bird nest it,
but maybe that's where I shouldgo next time when I try
something out.

Yeah Well, at least you'll bird nest
the $200 reel and not whatever.

Well , that's the thing.
You made a good point.
And if you're going to do itand you're going to give it a
good go, get the good reel.
Give yourself the best chanceto be successful at it.
If you hate it, sell the reel.
Somebody will buy it for nearlywhat you bought it for.
So you know what's the damage.
You know?
Yeah, yeah for sure.
That's the way that we shouldlook at it, I think, because

(57:21):
look, look on Facebook.
You're seeing a quality reelwill sell in, you know, if it's
only been used a couple times,for nearly what it's at new.

So yeah, and that's something you
can practice.
You can practice in the offseason.
You can practice in your yard,in your garage.
You know, admitted, in theoffseason you can practice in
your yard in your garage.
Admittedly, I have to do moreof that because I need to get
better at flipping and pitching,but there's guys that can
really do some great stuff withthem Now Burgenest.

I'm looking forward to the winter.
I have a field behind my housethat I think I'm just going to
go out and get that saltwaterfly rod going again.
I don't have enough room in myyard.
I'll hit the fence, but I gotto do it.
But my neighbor is going tolook at me like I'm weird, but I
think it has to be done, yeahit has to be done so all right.
Well, thanks for coming on.
We got to stick to the hourhere.

(58:09):
Really appreciate it Everybody.
If you're not following them,check them out online.
Check out the kayak fishingdads group on Facebook.
It is a great group.
It really is.
There's a lot of information inthere and it's not just kayak
fishing.
So you're going to pick upinformation, whether it's kayak
fishing or regular fishing.
So I recommend, go in there,check it out.

(58:32):
I've been in there for years,uh, watching it, so, watching
everything coming through there,and comment very occasionally
because I just don't have thevalue to add, but I learn a lot,
definitely and yeah, so we'llbe back next week.
Everyone will be announcinglater in the week who the guest
is still trying to shore up thelast minute details on that and

(58:52):
get the final confirmation, butit should be somebody that you
all know and you have seen onthis channel and other channels
in the past and probably on TV.
So, yeah, with that saideveryone, thank you very much
Till next time.
Everyone, get out there, get onthe water, get some tight lines
.

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