September 30, 2025 • 47 mins
We confront the push for “no targeting” on striped bass, challenge shaky mortality data, and argue for smart, consistent rules that protect spawning fish without killing access. Then we spotlight the Barrier Island Beach Brawl—part surf tournament, part charity engine—that brings anglers together and feeds local families.
• status of striped bass regs and the risk of no-targeting
• why bad data and unclear methods undermine policy
• smarter closure timing around spring spawn
• need for consistency across states and sectors
• early guardrails for the fast-growing sheepshead fishery
• the Barrier Island Beach Brawl: purpose, prizes, and giving back
• catch-photo-release for stripers to reduce stress
• fillet donations to St. Gregory’s Food Pantry
• spot burn etiquette: share patterns, not pins
• Saltwater Underground season preview and ethos
• how and where to submit ASMFC comments by the deadline
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Nick H (00:00):
If you take away the option to fish, that's it's just
it's that's not constitutional,in my opinion.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (00:12):
Hello and welcome back to the Fat Dad
Fishing Show.
I'm your host, Rich Natoli, anduh we had last week off.
We had a uh a guest that wastrying to get on and just could
not.
The uh the charter businesskind of caught up with him that
day.
So he's gonna be back on later.
I'll announce the name later.
Um, but later in the year he'sgonna come back on and and we're
(00:33):
gonna get there.
But tonight we have NickHanashevsky, Saltwater
Underground, your localmid-Atlantic national
personality, I guess.
Uh, the guy that represents uson TV with the fishing shows uh
and and you know, New Jersey,New York, all the areas in the
mid-Atlantic he's gonna be on.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout, well, straight bass regs.
(00:56):
We're gonna talk about thebarrier island at Beach Brawl,
uh tournament.
Uh I don't know if it'sactually a tournament, but uh
event, the the big event for NewJersey fishing, surf fishing.
And uh we're gonna talk alittle bit about Saltwater
Underground.
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(03:08):
And with that said, we're gonnajump right into this.
First of all, I want to saythank you to everybody in the
chat.
Good to see you.
We'll try to work yourquestions in.
But with that said, I'm gonnabring Nick Hanashewski back in.
Nick, it's good to see you,man.
Nick H (03:22):
What's up, Richie?
How you been, brother?
All right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (03:24):
I I've been good.
I I gotta say, it was funny.
My wife was was talking to mebefore this, and she's like,
What are you doing?
Because I'm usually I'm usuallystill working at this time.
She's like, What do you whatare you watching on TV?
She's like, Oh, you're watchingfishing.
I was like, I'm watching myguest.
She's like, No, you're not.
I'm like, Yeah, yeah, here's myguest.
We were why we were watchingthe blizzard uh tog.
Nick H (03:48):
I've seen that a couple of times.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (03:51):
Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times,
but I I just love it because itjust kind of encapsulates what
we're heading into now.
I mean, it's still a littleearly for the blizzard tog, but
the cooler weather fishing andall of that.
And and before that, I watchedthe other one from last season.
The one I watched it actuallylast week, maybe the week
(04:12):
before.
I watched the one on thestriped bass.
So uh, you know, we got to talkstriped bass.
Yeah, but how you how have youbeen doing?
Nick H (04:19):
Good, man.
Real good.
I'm glad you watched uh theblackfish blizzard episode.
That kind of encapsulates likewhat saltwater underground's all
about, you know.
You know, just to like like hitthe nail on the head with what
what the show kind of entails isthat uh, you know, it's kind of
like underground roots, man.
You know, it's like we're outthere in three to four, five
inches of snow on deck, youknow, like the hardcore stuff,
(04:41):
not like that, you know, theeasy sunny fishing down in
Florida or something, you know,like we go out and we'd pound
it, you know, and a lot ofpeople don't realize how
hardcore we all are up here inthe Northeast, mid-Atlantic, and
and and all that.
But uh yeah, it was a funepisode to film, you know.
And uh, you know, we try andtarget those fisheries on camera
that nobody usually gets achance to see.
(05:03):
And funny enough, I saw youropening promo there, and you got
the sheep's head on the kayak.
That's awesome, number one.
But number two, our firstepisode that we're filming
season six now, which is gonnastart airing January 1st again
on Discovery Channel and all theother outlets.
But um, we filmed the Sheep'sHead episode with Danny Schaefer
of the Insomniac, who's likethe Sheep's head guru.
(05:24):
Every you know, he really hasbeen fishing for 25 years uh in
Jersey.
People never even knew theywere still here.
But uh that you know, that justgot me amped up watching you
catch that uh on your wheels,you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (05:36):
It's funny where where I was
catching those, Dan is alwaysthere.
So I mean Dan is truly thegodfather, the the guy who put
it back.
Uh I mean he put it back on themap because it was off the map
since like the 70s.
Right, right.
You know, the sheep's head.
And he's really it's all it allcomes back to him.
He's the one who got it going.
I mean, he's the bottom sweeperjigs, and all that stuff.
(05:59):
He he's the one who made itattainable.
And uh I've told this storybefore, but I'll tell you, it's
funny.
I went down to fish the outerbanks.
I went down for I think a weekor two weeks, and I was like,
Well, I gotta go fishing.
And I went into the shop andand they said, What are you
gonna do?
I was like, I'm gonna go forsome sheep's head.
And they're like, No, no, no,you have to come here, you have
to see this.
(06:19):
I was like, Oh, they're like,We got that, we got this thing,
you'll never believe it.
It you won't believe it works.
And they showed them like,yeah, it's a bottom sweeper.
They're like, You've heard ofthis?
And I was like, I'm I was like,I fished New Jersey, and like,
oh, you've heard of it.
I was like, Yeah, they were allexcited about it, so that's all
Danny.
Nick H (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right, Danny.
It was a great episode, man.
And uh, I'm not gonna let thecat out of the bag how we did,
but we did well.
And we wait till you see thesome of the fish that we caught,
man.
I mean, I rarely ever get achance where we have all our
footage in two and a half hoursfor like basically the whole
episode, at least for threesegments worth.
(06:57):
And uh it was just phenomenal.
And uh, wait till you see someof the the cool uh catches that
we had there and and some of thesize of the fish, and different
a little different way to do itthan I've done it with them
before.
So it's kind of cool, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (07:10):
All right, I'm looking forward to
that one.
I you know what, and and I lovewhen they're released at the
beginning of the year becausethat's where you kind of go into
the doldrums, right?
Like the only the only saltwater fishing I'm doing in that
time is for white perch.
Yeah, you know, yeah, you know,because I I don't unless I'm
going offshore and on for toginto January, but that all
(07:31):
depends on how long those boatsare running.
Nick H (07:33):
Surely, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (07:34):
So it gets me through.
Nick H (07:36):
And then there's blizzards you got to deal with
too.
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (07:38):
I I love that.
I I I went fishing, gosh, itwas maybe three years ago, and
it was down behind Stone Harbor,and I was in Hereford Inlet in
the kayak, and it's just me, andthere's not there's not any
wind.
All of a sudden it just startssnowing.
It's like a squall, but it'scoming, it's coming down.
And I go under the bridge, andthere and some guy walks out
(08:01):
onto the bridge, and he's like,You okay?
I was like, Yeah, he's like,you know, it's snowing.
I was like, Yeah, man.
I'm like, this is perfectweather.
Nick H (08:09):
I know it's magical, man, when that happens, you
know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (08:13):
I only got some tog that day, but
you know, that's really all Iwas I was fishing for because it
was in January.
Nick H (08:18):
But yeah, but just being out there when you're graced
with having a blizzard comethrough and uh having like a
whiteout, man, that's just it'sit adds to the experience more
than the fish do, in my opinion.
You know, it's just amazingbeing out there on the water
when the when the weather is alittle bit challenging or
different, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (08:36):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
All right.
Well, let's we we have limitedtime, so I want to make sure
that we jump in through some ofthese topics because look, we
got some big topics to talkabout.
And the first one, we're gonnaactually at Jim Hutchinson Jr.
is coming back on hopefullynext week, but sometime shortly,
and we're gonna be talkingstriped bass and some other you
(08:56):
know, fisheries news.
But I've seen some of youropinion, but I wanted to you
know have you kind of sharedirectly with people what's your
thought on this entire, youknow, it it's possible that
we're staring at a closure ofstriped bass.
Nick H (09:10):
Yeah, it like so I'll try and put it all together here
in one nice concise form.
But we were at the I was at themeeting down there in
Manahawkin along with aboutanother hundred anglers there.
You know, we're we were hopingfor a bigger show, but we got
what we got.
So if anyone is not aware ofwhat's what's on the table, you
know, there there might not onlybe like actual closures of the
(09:33):
fishery of no harvest thing, butthere might actually be no
targeting, which means you can'teven fish for striped bass.
And I know, I know it, I knowit here.
I hear from people, oh yeah,well, I'm fishing for blues,
quote, I'm fishing for skates,quote, quote, you know.
But I'll tell you what, man,it's like if you're there in
early December on the surf andthere's 500 people at Island
(09:54):
Beach State Park, the gamewardens know there's no bluefish
around, there's nothing else.
So they will write tickets, youknow, and that's their job.
They're putting in an untenablesituation.
But let me rewind before any ofthat could possibly even
happen.
We don't know what the regs aregonna be yet.
We're hoping for status quo,which is one fish between 28 and
31 inches.
But my thoughts are absolutely,I do, I mean, I'm vehemently
(10:18):
opposed to any no-targeting law.
Like if you take away theoption to fish, that's it's just
it's that's not constitutional,in my opinion, you know.
I get it, you know, I get it,like you know, you know, they're
trying to protect the species,but the one data point that I
did not like that they said,because I don't believe it, is
that they said catch and releasemortality was nine percent.
(10:40):
And I raised my hand, I askedthem a question, I said, where
do you what are the mechanismsthat you determine that nine
percent?
And the answer I got, theysaid, Well, we do tag and
release, and we have someacoustic tags, but they didn't
really have the right answer,they didn't know the actual
answer.
Yeah, and so I said, Well, howis that multiplied?
How many acoustic tags have yougotten out there and gotten
(11:00):
back that they're dead, numberone, right?
So even if they put 10 tagsout, right, and they got one
bat, which would of a on a deadfish, that means you would have
to multiply that times millionsto get like an actual uh subset
data sample to make that ninepercent a reality.
So, anyway, the no targeting isabsolutely off the table, in my
(11:22):
opinion.
Regarding no harvest, ifthey're gonna do something with
a no harvest with the waves,everyone's gonna have to suffer
up and down the coast, right?
Because they're they're doingit everywhere where everyone has
certain waves like wave two andwave five, and each wave is two
months.
So wave one is January,February, wave two is March,
(11:43):
April, and so on, right?
So if say they did a wave twoand a wave five closure, that
means we would be closed forSeptember and October and March
and April, which would suck,right?
Yeah.
For no harvesting and notargeting, right?
But in my opinion, if they weregonna close the fishery for no
harvesting, I mean, I've alwaysespoused this belief is do it
(12:07):
when they're breeding.
You know what I mean?
There's no sense in targeting50-pound fish that are egg
laden, you know, in March andApril, whether it's the
Chesapeake, the Delaware River,the Hudson, Rarit and Bay, if
they're gonna close, if we haveto close the fishery, I would do
it during the spring spawn forthe most part.
Because the fall run, you know,they're just fattening up,
they're not spawning anymore.
(12:28):
You know, that just makes themost common sense to me.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (12:31):
Yeah, I agree.
I I'm falling on the side thatyou are.
First of all, I don't trustanything that they say as far as
the numbers.
Nick H (12:37):
And they're they're the first to admit it too.
They say our data is it's notconcrete.
We're just trying, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (12:43):
I mean, I I spent years doing
statistical analysis for a verylarge company.
And here's the truth.
If you're working instatistics, it you can make it
say whatever you want it to say.
Sure.
Especially at the level thatthey're sharing data.
You know, we're not talkingcorrelation, we're talking or
we're not talking causation,we're talking correlation.
(13:04):
And and you know, unless you'redoing you know, some
significant regression testingon large samples, I just don't
get it.
And some of the things I'veheard about how they they get
even harvest numbers, it'sabsolutely insanity.
Yeah there was a captain inMaryland who was blown up about
this last year, or maybe it'sthe year before, and he was
(13:25):
saying what they did is theysaid, All we have X number, we
have 50 boats in this marina,and that means that they're
catching what I these are notthe real numbers, but they
assumed that everybody wascatching and keeping one fish
per day for the entire season.
Nick H (13:40):
Right, right, right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (13:41):
And that's what they used.
He's like, That's he's like, Noway is that possible.
He's like, half of these arerecreational cabin cruisers,
they're not even fishing, butthey just assume that they are.
And I get it, they're I I dobelieve they're doing the best
they can, but I don't know aboutthat, but I mean I really
don't.
Nick H (13:59):
I really don't.
I mean, I don't think they'redoing the best they can.
You know, I mean, there's waysto gather data.
I mean, they ask captains tokeep detailed logbooks of how
many fish they catch, when theycatch them, you know, what they
release, and yet they never askfor the information from the
captains.
You know, they're required.
I forget what the technicalterm is, but they're required to
(14:20):
you know keep the logbooks ofthe fish they catch, and they
never ask for the data, youknow.
I thought they did.
They do, but they don't use it.
I mean the the lady that was uhanswering questions says, Yeah,
we're working on correlatingand getting all that data and
having a system where we canactually get that data involved.
It's like then why are youasking for it?
If you instituted a plan thatdoesn't have an actual outcome,
(14:44):
why would you even ask us to doit?
And the conversely, we're atthe meeting, and I think one of
the captains was like, What'sthe data on the circle hook
mortality?
You instituted that law threeyears ago now for any kind of
straight bait bass fishing withcircle hooks.
Can you tell us one way oranother if it worked?
And they openly admitted, theysaid, We have no data to say
either way, you know?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (15:04):
Yeah.
I don't they're not collectingit.
Nick H (15:07):
Of course they're not, you know.
So I don't know.
I mean, we we can go on and on.
I mean, it's like beating it,you know, our head against the
wall all the time, but you know,you we have to beat our head
against the wall to fight forwhat you know what we need.
And and I have, first of all, Ihave no problems whatsoever if
the data is correct and it'ssalient data and it's truthful,
(15:29):
at least to have enough of thesubset of it to make some kind
of actual truth out of it.
I have no problem closing theseason or doing what needs to be
done to save the striped bassstocks, but they openly admit
they don't really know if youknow they're up or down.
And you're oh my god.
There was this one graph intheir PowerPoint presentation,
it was a bell chart, right?
(15:50):
Yeah, and the levels that theyhad where they said we need this
is the level we're trying toachieve, right?
You know, to declare the stocksrebuilt.
This is kind of like a halflevel, and this is like another
level that we're workingtowards.
The level that they want thestocks rebuilt at, that timeline
went from 1930s to present day,and not once did it hit that
(16:12):
top that top of that bell curve.
So the entire recreationalstriped bass fishery since the
30s, in their opinion, has neverhit that rebuild biomass.
It's like yeah, like they settheir goalposts so far away that
like it's not it's way beyondreality, you know what I mean?
They have to like change theparameters, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (16:33):
So that is you know what it seems
like every time that somethinglike this comes up, it just
turns into a cluster.
Nick H (16:41):
Yeah, you know, it's uh and and I and believe me, I
release 99.9% of all stripers Icatch.
I've always have, you know.
If one gets gut hooked and it'slegal, of course I'm taking it
home, you know.
But like I I'm catch andrelease since birth, you know
what I mean?
I I rarely ever keep any fishfor that matter.
But it doesn't mean that peoplethat have the right to take a
(17:03):
fish home, that their rightsshould be encroached, you know,
to be able to harvest a fish ifthey want.
But uh, but I'm a big believer,obviously, in catch and release
and the conservation of thestocks, but it has to be based
on legit data.
You can't just grab the shitout of the air, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (17:18):
Yeah, well, let's see if they
actually start collecting legitdata.
And we you know what, you knowwhat would fix it?
Collect the data and then let aprivate firm do the analysis.
Nick H (17:28):
Right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (17:28):
Like a like a you know that these
people have agendas, you know.
Nick H (17:33):
I mean, there has to be, and I hate being a conspiracy,
but like there has to be, youknow, there's just some, there's
always some back dealing whenyou're talking about this kind
of money in politics, you know,one one way, shape, or form, but
you can't let it get out ofcontrol, like, oh, it's you
know, all the commercial guysare buying everybody off, every
politician or something.
I mean, I'm sure there's some,I'm sure there's some
(17:53):
recreational guys that might bedoing it.
Who knows the truth?
But the point of the matter isis like you gotta have a you
know, a clean head on yourshoulder basically to look at it
and observe what's going on andwhat needs to be changed, you
know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (18:06):
Yeah, I I personally would like them
to actually research where thefish are going.
Right.
Because we know they're in thecanyons and we know they're not
looking at them out there.
Nick H (18:15):
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (18:16):
It could turn out that it could
turn out that we are at thepeak, but they're they're 150
miles offshore.
Nick H (18:21):
Right.
You ever hear, you know, youhear the sea bass guys in the
middle of the winter, likeJanuary December, you know,
jigging 30-pound bass up 60, 70miles off, you know.
And they always file that 20fathom line all the way from
Long Island down a lot too, justblown up on bait when the tuna
are there, you know?
Speaker 02 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Nick H (18:40):
Yeah, so yeah, it's difficult when you don't have
correct scientific data.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (18:44):
Well, let's see, let's see if they do
it.
I I just have such lowconfidence that they will.
But you know, and the otherthing that doesn't help is every
state does it differently.
I mean, Maryland has thecraziest opens and closures, and
but at least some of theirs,you know, hey, they're spawning,
so it's closed, closed, closed,you know, in certain areas.
(19:06):
So at least I get it, but Idon't know.
A lot of it just seems way toorandom to me.
There needs to be someconsistency between rec and
commercial, yeah.
And there needs to be some somereal consideration for the
data, as you said, because Ifirst of all get it get them off
the commercial menu.
Nick H (19:24):
I mean, there's no I mean, I don't believe striped
bass should be a commerciallyfished species.
You know, I'm big in theadvocate of you know game fish
species, and but you know, Imean bass are good to eat, I get
it, but go catch them yourself,you know.
Don't order them at arestaurant.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (19:37):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Uh honestly, I I don't put themin my top ten fish.
Yeah, I I really don't.
No, no, I mean they're they'regood, but you know, they're not
good enough for me to keep morethan a quarter of one a year,
and that's only if it's guthooked.
And honestly, Nick, I haven'tgut hooked a striped bass in
(19:58):
probably seven or eight years.
Nick H (19:59):
Right now, yeah, like likewise, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (20:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
I did have one that I could notrevive that was luckily within
the slot years ago.
That's probably four or fiveyears ago, but that's it.
It's just too much work toclean for something that doesn't
taste, you know.
It's yeah, you see, Paul.
Nick H (20:18):
Fun to fish for though, that's for sure.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (20:20):
Striped carp.
Nick H (20:23):
There it goes.
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (20:24):
Well, Paul's a sheep's hey, so he
doesn't keep them though, butthat that at least has a little
bit more taste, and the togdefinitely have a taste, but
that's a topic for another daybecause I'm I'm concerned about
them.
Nick H (20:36):
Let me real super quick 20-second chime in.
Yeah, I'm all for institutingregulations on sheep's head
right now because we're alreadystarting to see that they're
starting to get fished out andthe sizes are a lot smaller than
we first had them.
I mean, it's good to seesmaller fish around because
there is starting to become abreeding population again, the
conch traps and all thatthroughout the winter time, but
(20:58):
or that are being pulled up.
But we need we need limits forthem because now it's it's it's
like surfshark.
And that when that blew up,like the shit hit the fan,
right?
So it's like the same thingwith sheep's head.
Everyone's doing it now,everyone's catching them kind of
thing.
There needs to be regulationsfor them right now, uh in my
opinion, you know, because it'stotally wild west right now.
And people are, you know, thatare aren't in the know that are
(21:20):
just going out there, they'rejust keeping them and taking
them home, and they're takingthem out of the ecosystem when
it's starting to try andreplenish itself to its
historical levels back in likethe late 1800s, early 1900s.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (21:31):
Yeah.
I I would like to see the databefore doing anything.
However, my gut tells me it'sit's time.
And I can just tell you, look,I know for a fact that there's
at least three guys we may notbe watching at the moment, but
that will listen to this andthen text me after I say this
that keep every sheep's headthey catch, every single one,
(21:54):
even the 10, 12 pounders.
They keep jersey, yeah, andthey don't need to, but they do,
and they give them away.
And I'm like, I get it.
You give them away.
Nick H (22:04):
They taste the same, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (22:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So I'd like to see the datafirst.
I will say that.
And I know that they arecollecting data.
They started what last year inI don't know.
Nick H (22:13):
All I know is that there's more sheep's head around
than redfish and cobia for themost part, and we have laws in
Jersey regarding cobia andredfish.
So you know what I mean?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (22:23):
Yep, yep, I agree.
I agree.
Here's a weird law.
They they put they sp they putspeckled trout under the same
thing as weakfish.
Yeah, well, I mean they'redifferent species, but it looks
like it.
Nick H (22:35):
You know, use the same law.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (22:36):
And if I always thought that was
funny because they don't looklike it.
Nick H (22:41):
It's so easy to tell the difference, but you know, I
mean, you really gotta know.
I mean, not really gotta know,but you know, and then they get
like the sand trout that kind oflook like weakfish too and
silver perch sometimes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (22:53):
I can see that I can see that,
yes.
I can see that crossover.
It's the spec.
I it's just funny to me how youknow they can be so on
something and off on others.
Nick H (23:03):
You're talking as a uh, I assume like a southern Jersey
type guy, like a lot of speckledtrout don't move north of
Barnegut Inlet.
I mean, they'll trickle up, butyou know, down south in the you
know, November, October,whatever, you'll get specks down
there.
But I bet you if you got aspeckled some guy calling in
Sandy Hook, they'd be like, Man,look at this weak fish with all
these spots, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (23:21):
Okay, you know, I'll give you that.
Yes, I'll give you that.
And even you look, it's it'sstill rare to catch them down
here.
I think part of it is becausepeople gave up fishing for weak
fish and you're gonna catch themin similar right, similar ways
and places.
Certainly, yeah, not the same,but similar.
So I think the targeting hasgone down definitely.
Hey, look, we we do need totalk about your your big event,
(23:44):
your annual event, because thisis one of the coolest events
that you're gonna find, I wouldsay, in the mid-Atlantic.
The Barrier Island Beach Brawl.
You gotta you gotta let peopleknow about it, what it is, how
they can get involved, and whyit's it's such a cool event.
Nick H (24:01):
Cool.
Well, thanks for the plug,first of all, Rich.
So this is a seventh annualBarrier Island Beach Brawl.
I've started this tournament,like I said, seven years ago.
This year it's on October 10thand 11th.
It's always on Columbus Dayweekend because everyone usually
has four days off for thatweekend.
So I only make it a two-daypart of the tournament.
(24:22):
So you have the other two daysfor your vacation, whatever you
want to do, you know.
But anyway, I started thetournament because honest to
God, I just I get so tired oflike social media and like how
everyone yells at each other andeveryone, you know, bitches and
moans and and has somethingsnarky to say, or this and that,
and making fun of people.
I was like, I want a tournamentlike the old tournaments, you
(24:45):
know.
Like when I was a kid growingup, it was about like getting
together with your dad or yourmom or your friends or uncle,
whoever, you know, going out andfishing and then being excited
for everyone, be amped, be like,oh man, that guy got a striper,
oh, he caught a fellow salviaon the Barna Gachetti, you know,
and like, you know, of coursethere was competition back then,
and people, you know, talkbehind each other's backs, being
(25:07):
like, oh, he doesn't know whathe's doing, kind of thing, or
whatever.
But it wasn't so vitriolic asit is like nowadays.
So I wanted to create atradition again, which is why I
built the tournament out tobring family together and have
people, you know, mark it ontheir calendar every year to
come back and join with friendsand take their kids out.
I've seen kids grow up fromthree years old to like 10 years
(25:30):
old now, and they come backevery year and they're more
stoked every year, you know, tofish with their mom or their
their dad.
And you know, I have friendsthat come around from across the
country, old college buddies,who I didn't talk to in 20
years, and they all gettogether, you know, just to fish
this tournament and get, youknow, it's a it's a it's a
commitment where they can allyou know rekindle relationships.
(25:51):
But you know, the point of thematter is is that it's not uh we
do give away cash and weactually have $35,000 worth of
free gear that we give awaybecause all my connects in the
fishing industry, everyonedonates heavy to it.
They're all monster prizes, youknow, from every manufacturer
that you can possibly imagine,including all the Barrier Island
(26:11):
tackle shops, you know.
It's called the Barrier IslandBeach Raw because it's from
Manisquan Inlet to BarnegatInlet.
That's my island there, theBarrier Barrier Island there.
But the point is that we giveaway, you know, a ton of prizes.
There's cash prizes, obviously,too, for all the species.
It's not a striped bass, likestrictly tournament.
(26:32):
In fact, there's 15 eligiblespecies broken down into like
you know, bluefish, weak fish,trigger fish, you know, black
fish, a little tiny bonito instriped bass category is catch
photo release.
You don't even have to measureit, you don't have to weigh it
because I don't want to keepthat fish out of the water.
People are gonna catch bass inOctober, so I figured we might
(26:54):
as well make a category for you.
All you gotta do is snap aphoto.
I don't want to, you know, youknow, measure or anything, so we
get that fish back in thewater.
And you know, I just drawrandomly, whether it's a 12-inch
fit bass or a 15-inch bass.
Everyone's got an equal chanceof winning the bat top three
bass categories.
That's you know, so I don'tmake it like you know, you have
to catch the biggest one type ofuh deal.
(27:15):
But um, you know, it's uh sevenyears going strong right now.
And you know, if anyone wantsto sign up for it, you gotta hit
me up on Instagram at NickHanashevsky, and you can go to
the saltwaterunderground.comstore link, the Barrier Island
Beach roll and click that.
And uh we're closingregistration in nine days.
So if anyone hears this, youknow, do it now.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (27:35):
Yeah, it's I mean, it what really
appeals to me about it is it'snot like a hardcore tournament
where people are going to bestressed the whole time.
Speaker 02 (27:43):
Right, that's not the point, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (27:46):
Yeah, you see so many people, and I
kind of get that way sometimeswhen I do a tournament.
Like if I really want to try todo well, I've kind of turned
the corner on that, and now Ijust go out and have fun, you
know, and try to get togetherwith people to do it.
But I love the fact that justanyone can end up walking away
with a prize and feel like theyparticipated.
Nick H (28:06):
And that's if I can say that too.
Of course there's prizes forthe species, but I get so much
gear that I give it away, right?
So I pick your name out of ahat.
So, like, I mean, hundreds ofpeople are winning free stuff
for not even catching a fish,you know?
Speaker 02 (28:20):
Right.
Nick H (28:20):
And that's the way I want it.
I want you to go out and havefun with the chance of catching
something, and then you're gonnawalk away with something
because anyone who signs up getsan awesome SPF uh shirt, which
is cool.
You guys are gonna be the firstto see if you do on YouTube.
This is the first uh shirt Ijust got them yesterday from
sport fishing apparel.
But um nice you know, youalways get like the shirt, it's
(28:42):
an SPF shirt this year.
You get a bag of fish bites,you get some stuff from Costa.
So it the entry fee itself,you're already getting all the
stuff back at you, and then yougot a chance of winning $35,000
worth of stuff.
Oh, if I may say one more thingtoo.
One of the most importantfacets of the tournament is that
anybody who doesn't want tokeep their fish, we keep them
(29:02):
and I fillet them personally,and we donate all the fish to
St.
Gregory's Food Pantry in PointPleasant to feed the homeless
and hungry.
And every year that I go therewith coolers full of fillets,
you know, they're stoked.
And the people that run thepantry, I think they're nuns.
They say every year they getpeople saying, When's the fish
coming?
When's the fish coming?
(29:23):
So that makes me happy that youknow people really look forward
to eating the fish that wedonate there.
And then we also have a 50-50and raise money for St.
Jude's at the awards party atHeavy Reel Brewing, you know, uh
in the afternoon on theSaturday the 11th.
So yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (29:39):
See, Nick, this is this is the kind
of event I love.
Right.
It's not all for the glory andthe you know, the the big
picture of the the fish on thehook.
It's people out fishingtogether, and there's no reason
to hate the guy that just reeledin a fish next to you.
Right, right.
You're not the one.
You're entered anyway, you'reall entered anyway.
Nick H (30:00):
Yeah, it's the same chance with the St.
Croix Rift or the Fetty, youknow, cooler.
You know, it's the same chancefor the most part, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:07):
Yeah, and it gives it people to show
up to the awards thing too,because I didn't catch any, I
didn't weigh anything.
Half the tournaments, it's onlya quarter of the people because
a quarter didn't catchanything.
Right.
Another another quarter knowthat they're they're not in the
running, and then the lastquarter they're either they want
a beer or they they have ashot.
Nick H (30:27):
Yeah, you get to drink a few beers at Heavy Reel, and we
brew our saltwater undergroundlager for that event, too, which
is cool.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:34):
Yeah.
Nick H (30:34):
And then not only that, we you know that's where all
their prizes get given away.
So you should be there.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:40):
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, hopefully, hopefully weget a bunch of people in on that
and doing it.
Look, if you're just gonna doone event this year, why not?
You know, it's events likethis.
And I I love the fact that youdonate the fish that people
don't want to keep.
And you personally clean mostof or many of them.
Nick H (31:00):
Oh, yeah, all of them.
I remember those picks most ofthe time, yeah.
Uh I had my buddy help me onetime.
One one time we had you know,the bluefish came through big
time.
So there was tons of like oneand a half to three pound
bluefish.
Yeah, and everyone's just like,here, have them, have them,
have them.
So I was like, Of course, I'lltake them.
And took me like five hours tofillet them at the crab's call
(31:20):
in the back.
And and uh, you know, just theyou know, fresh white meat
fillets, they don't havebloodlines in them when they're
not small, and uh, you know, itwas a lot of fish to to fillet,
but I enjoy doing it.
I know I'm doing it for youknow to make people happy and
and have their guts full, youknow.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (31:35):
So yeah, that's great.
I I love that.
And it was well, you get youdonated almost a hundred pounds.
Nick H (31:41):
Last year was a hundred pounds of fillets that the
people donated to me and wefilleted.
We had we had over 200 fishdonated last year, and uh I
fillet filleted them all in theback, you know.
That's correct.
But you know, and like uh I Iguess you know, overall it's
mainly like small blues, butthen we have like use every year
like 20 some black fish thatare donated, sometimes bonito
(32:02):
are caught, trigger fish,kingfish, stuff like that.
You know, we won't you know wewon't fillet little tiny up
because they're just not goodeating, you know.
Right, right, right.
But but you know, every otherfish that's on that list is is
edible very and very good.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (32:17):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
I I don't know if I can make itdown.
I would love to though.
I may just buy the entrywhether I just stop in, man.
Nick H (32:25):
Yeah, just yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (32:27):
I mean, you you'd think I could
find some time to get down thereover those few days and uh you
know, walk the beach and justhang out and and everything.
And uh it's definitely myplant.
My brother's in the chat.
He wants to go down, he wantsone of your beers, actually.
Nick H (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be brewing them there.
It's a nice light lager.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He'll he'll be into that.
Nick H (32:46):
They'll be selling six packs of that too.
So you can take one home withyou.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (32:50):
All right.
I'm sure he'll take more thanone home with him.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, ifhe's at work, he's in a brewery
right now.
Nick H (32:59):
How about it?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:00):
Yeah, so uh God, I hope he's not at
work.
He'll end up getting fired.
Watching a live stream whilehe's at work.
Uh, yeah, all right.
So everyone, make sure youcheck that out.
Go to Saltwater Undergroundwebsite.
It is there at the top right.
I mean, you can go in and seeall about it, and then you go
into the shop and you can buyit.
And the dates again, Nick?
Nick H (33:20):
This October 10th and 11th, a Friday and a Saturday.
unknown (33:24):
Awesome.
Nick H (33:24):
Columbus Day weekend, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (33:26):
Is the award on the Saturday on
the 11th?
Nick H (33:29):
So, yeah, you can start fishing at 5 a.m.
on the Friday and you fish allthe way through till 3 p.m.
on Saturday, and the awardstarts at 4 p.m.
on Saturday.
And we start giving awayeverything at 6 p.m.
on that Saturday at heavy reelbrewing in Seaside Heights.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:45):
Okay, and it's all land-based
fishing?
Nick H (33:47):
Yeah, strictly land, strictly the surf.
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:50):
Okay.
All right.
So if you don't want to competefor a species, you just want to
enter it and fish it and andhope for an extra prize, you
could jump out on a kayak,right?
Nick H (34:02):
Nope.
No, no dice, brother.
I I have to rule with amilitant fist on this um,
believe me.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:09):
All right, fair enough.
You know what?
It's a good excuse to not lug akayak a hundred and some miles
down there for the day, too.
Yeah, that's always stressfultoo, because you know, you do a
tournament with a kayak, andthen all of a sudden you're
sitting at the awards thing withyour kayak unlocked unlocked in
the back of a truck, you know,with a thousand dollars worth of
gear in it.
So yeah, all right.
(34:29):
I I'll bring my uh I'll bringmy surf stuff.
Nick H (34:32):
Bring your surf run and grab your beach permits, man.
You know, get them.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:35):
All right.
Well, I'll jump on somebody'struck that has a permit because
I don't have any permits forthis uh for this.
Nick H (34:40):
There you go.
Park and walk, yeah.
That's good.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:43):
All right, so before we go, I want
you to jump back over toSaltwater Underground.
So yeah, you have season fivecoming up, starting.
So you had talked about oneepisode.
What are some of the what aresome of the species that you
think are going to be in?
You haven't filmed all of ityet, have you?
Nick H (34:57):
Oh, we've only done one episode, and I got to get all
this cut and edited by December28th of this year.
So we're in a mad dash rightnow, you know, because we're on
we're on, you know, just fournetworks Discovery Channel,
Sportsman's Channel, WorldFishing Network, and Waypoint
TV, all your streaming services.
You can always find all pastepisodes on there now.
But season six starts outDecember 28th, I think is the
(35:19):
first episode that's gonna run.
But we did that sheep's headepisode to start.
We always like getting like ayou know a surf fishing one in.
We did we actually did a prettycool uh we still have to finish
it up, but uh surf luken, whichwas a cool episode.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (35:33):
That's catching up.
I I want to see that one.
Nick H (35:36):
Yeah, we went with uh Shelly Karas, too.
So if anyone knows Shelly is alocal legend down here on the
island.
Yeah, but um, but yeah, so wegot got some surprises lined up.
I actually have a couple traveluh related shows too, going to
the Florida Keys, so that'll bepretty fun to go fish down
there, you know, bringing ajersey style down there and
seeing how we can pound them outin the keys, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (35:58):
Well then when you're down there you
can make fun of them becausethey think you know 70 degrees
is cold.
Nick H (36:03):
I know, I know.
I won't be don't worry, I won'tbe wearing any bright turk
turquoise or orange shirts, man.
I'm always saltwaterunderground gear, and I'm from
the northeast, man.
You know, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (36:14):
I I have a problem with those
colors.
Uh it's just not me.
I like I wear black in thesummer.
It's sometimes I'll wear if Ineed a long sleeve, because my
black, I only have one black SPFshirt that's long sleeve.
So then I'll wear some of thelighter color ones, but uh, I'm
just not that dude.
Nick H (36:30):
I was never I'm never that guy either.
My show's not really basedaround that kind of look either,
you know.
But yeah, yeah, every now andthen you might see me with one
on.
I'm not saying it neverhappens, but uh just not my
ethos, really, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (36:42):
Yeah, well, especially not for the
show.
unknown (36:45):
Yeah.
Nick H (36:46):
We got like bunker chum on us, you know, squid hanging
out of our pockets, you know.
Yeah, it's real fishing, man.
It's like legit fish, realfishing, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (36:54):
Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it.
I I can't wait to see you andDan in that in that first
episode.
You know, I'll I mean no, I'llrecognize the spots.
Nick H (37:03):
I'm sure, yeah.
Uh we we tried keeping them asblurred as we could, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (37:08):
You know, I think to that point,
let me just say this.
And this is where a lot of thedrama in fishing comes from.
You showed a spot, you showedmy spot, you showed my spot.
Okay.
I'm just gonna say this.
You can agree or not agree.
We do our best to not showspecific spots, however.
If it's a bridge, it's asheep's head spot.
Done, done.
(37:30):
Uh uh you can argue and whineand bitch and complain all you
want, but it's a sheep's headspot.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if it's a jetty,guess what?
It's a tog spot.
Yeah, there's not much I can doabout that.
And if if you happen to catchthat one little flagpole that's
three miles distant that you canjust see, and now you know
where it is, uh, you know, we doour best.
Nick H (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's more or less thetiming of when uh with social
media more than I mean, TV islike when we're filming this,
it's six months before it evenairs, so it doesn't even matter.
But like when it comes tosocial media, that's where it
gets to be an issue because ifyou're posting something, you
know, with a discerniblelandmark in the back, then
everyone, you know, that aremainly new anglers who are just
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getting into it that just don'treally know the the ethos of
respect.
They'll just be like, oh,where's it?
Where's it?
I'm gonna go fish.
That's where the fish arewithout doing any work or
anything.
And I'm not gonna lie to you,there's been times where I
posted really quick on likeInstagram, and I get lit up and
I'm like, shit, man.
I'm like, oh, I left that thingin there, you know.
It's like, and then it's toolate to take down, and it's
(38:35):
like, oh, you know, spot burn.
I'm like, man, you know,whatever.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (38:41):
I've gotten lit up a lot.
I actually very rarely do anyvideos anymore for that's just
one of the reasons.
Yeah, but the one thing that Iam super, super careful about is
land-based spots.
To me, that's the biggest dealbecause if you're a land-based
fisherman, you do not have afraction of the options of
(39:02):
people in a kayak or on a boat.
Yeah, uh, in a boat, it's like,okay, you know, I I can see a
little bit more ofunderstanding, but people still
and and by the way, I'll go backand say this I know a lot of
very, very experienced fishermenthat will jump on a spot just
because they saw somebody postit, and then they'll think that
they're dialed in on the speciesbecause they caught one there.
(39:24):
It's like, dude, you you sawNick catch there yesterday.
I mean, you didn't do reallyanything to find it yourself,
you just recognize through theblur that water tower.
Nick H (39:33):
Yeah, it's weird though too, because it's like, you
know, if if say I posted like apicture from last October or
something, right?
Where, you know, I'm standing,you know, next to Jenkinson's,
right?
In Point Pleasant.
And if I post that, right, eventhough it's like a year ago,
people will be like, oh, youknow, you're blind.
(39:53):
It's like those fish are gonnabe after four days, they're not
at that spot anymore.
And they're some are totallyI'm talking about striped bass
here, you know, in the surffishing or whatever.
But I still get the idea whypeople would get you know angry
with it, but it's so hard to beable to like communicate that.
Like if this photo was up thereeight months ago, you know, is
(40:14):
when I caught this thing orsomething, you know.
It's like you can't even getaway with retro posting anything
anymore.
And I kind of get that, butwhen people don't know the whole
story, everyone's first tocomment on it, and then it gets
viral being like, Oh, you'reblowing up spots.
It's like I'm blowing up a spotwhere I caught a fish two years
ago, you know, if that's thecase.
But I mean, I do get it.
Don't get me wrong, I fuck I II'm not a believer of spot burn,
(40:37):
and I hate when I see it, and Ihate when I do it, and I do it
usually inadvertently if ithappens.
There'll be something in thephoto that I forgot to blur out
or something, you know.
But believe me, you'll getcalled on it, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (40:47):
And uh I got I got called on it for
talking about the Eighth StreetJetty in Avalon.
I was like, can you even blowthat up at this point?
I mean, it's literallyeverybody knows about it in
South Jersey.
And it was for cocktail blues,Nick.
Cocktail blues was what thevideo was about.
Yeah, and I was like, dude,they're they're just swimming
(41:07):
through.
They weren't even there fiveminutes later.
Nick H (41:10):
You know, I mean, I I get I get both sides of it.
I really do, because I I getangry when you know people blow
up a thing and it's like, allright, you know, no one did the
work to go find this, and theword got out in one day because
someone saw it in the backgroundand now the spot's totally
blown.
Like any spot you fishnowadays, if you have it,
generally speaking, and I'mtalking surf fishing right now,
(41:32):
you may have three days ofyourself before it's blown.
You know what I mean?
My rule of thumb to tell youthis is that you don't tell
anybody about it, it's not gonnaget blown.
You tell your best closestfriend and swear him the secrecy
not to tell anyone, he's gonnatell one person, right?
And then it'll happen.
If you tell a friend and say,Oh man, you know, you're I'm
(41:54):
you're close, you're you're afriend, but you're not like my
brother, you're not as close asI am.
But I told you, he's gonna tellfive people, you know what I
mean?
So you can't even trustyourself.
Don't even like don't even tellyourself where you're fishing,
you know, if you really arepeople, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (42:07):
And that's why I don't do that's
one of the reasons I don't dovideos anymore, because it's
just it's just too much, toomuch drama.
I'm like, I'm just trying tohelp people catch fish, you
know.
It's not the spot that I'mtalking about, but yeah, but it
is what it is.
Yeah, oh well.
Nick H (42:23):
Yeah, that's it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (42:25):
Yeah, so hey Nick, thanks for coming
on.
I we we had agreed to keep thisa little bit shorter tonight.
Everybody, the Barrier IslandBeach Brawl, make sure you go
Saltwater Underground, check itout, sign up for it.
That's a great event with a youknow, I mean, you've already
talked about the benefits to thecommunity too.
So uh not only is it fun, butyou're gonna help some folks out
(42:46):
by doing that.
And if you're like my brother,you can go down and grab a beer.
Nick H (42:50):
There you go.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (42:50):
Yeah, at the very least, you're
you're grabbing a beer, andyeah, we'll be pouring them for
you guys, probably.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
And we'll see what happens withthese striped bass coming up.
I I'm really concerned aboutit.
I haven't been concerned for awhile about what they're gonna
do with any species, but thisone this one is concerning.
Nick H (43:12):
Yeah, that that's anytime I hear that no
targeting, that's really whatwhat really gets me fired up
more than anything.
So yeah, we'll have to see whathappens.
But yeah, let's hope for thebest.
Oh, by the way, if anyone'slistening to this, send your
comments into the ASMFC byOctober 3rd, because that's the
cutoff day for public comment.
And believe me, the words goneviral all throughout like social
(43:35):
media and like other outlets.
So we're really flooding themright now with with information
and with our opinions.
And you know, my personalopinion right now, as it is, is
I would like to probably at themost have status quo.
And if it has to be a closure,then do it in the springtime
when they're spawning in the bigegg-laden females.
But I don't want, I reallydon't want any kind of closure
(43:58):
whatsoever.
But status quo is what I'm whatI'm advocating for at the
present moment.
But whatever your position is,is up to you.
But send in your comments byOctober 3rd to be heard.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (44:10):
Yes, very good.
Everyone, please do that.
If you fish salt water, this isthis is gonna impact you.
You know, even if you don'tfish for striped bass, it's
gonna impact you because you canbe sure it's going to be used
as a model for the next species,too.
So, and I will just say thiswith government and anything
involved with government, oncesomething is enacted, it's
(44:31):
almost impossible to get itreversed.
Nick H (44:33):
Not getting it back.
unknown (44:34):
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (44:34):
No, the Philadelphia sales tax was
a World War II tax.
It was temporary and it isstill there.
And I think it's what, seven,maybe even more than seven
percent.
And uh the one time that I cansay that we got something back
was when they extended flukeseason.
That's that's the only timethat I that I remember that we
ever got anything back asfishermen.
(44:55):
And we had to do thatridiculous slot to get it.
Nick H (44:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (45:00):
So yeah.
So everyone keep that in mind.
Nick H (45:04):
Yeah, get active, make your voice heard with this one.
This is a this is like apivotal type of shift type of
legislation that's going to beenacted.
So make sure you're aware of itand make sure you make your
voice heard.
ASMFC website.
Just go right to the straightfast addendum, click on the top
page, and say leave comment, andyou'll be able to do it there.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (45:23):
Very good.
I'll uh I'll put a link in thisa little bit later so that
people have a link within theYouTube.
And I will also put one in thepodcast.
So if you're listening to thison the podcast, which most of
you do, uh that that watch orlisten, it's it's usually the
podcast.
I'll put a link in there aswell so you can go through and
uh give your opinions.
I'm gonna try to actually getthis uploaded tomorrow if
(45:46):
possible, just so that it'sahead of the third by enough
time for people to listen to itso that we can get something
done.
Um, yeah, so thank you verymuch.
Appreciate it, Nick, for comingon.
Everyone, I want to let youknow uh we're hoping for uh Jim
Hutchinson next week.
It's a little fluid, so we'llwe'll see if I can he's got
travel and and all this stuffgoing on.
He's a busy guy, but we'regonna see about that.
(46:08):
Uh and also want to announcewe're gonna do another fat dead
fishing meetup this winter slashlate fall.
Probably on the osprey.
We're gonna pick a day andwe're all gonna get together and
go for blackfish.
Nick H (46:22):
So yeah, you know what?
I just I just didn't realizethere was a comment section
here.
So everyone who left a comment,thanks, and I'll get back to
you whenever I can.
But you know, I appreciate anyuh any comments you guys had.
I just noticed them right now.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (46:36):
Yeah, no, it's it's all good.
It's it's tough when you'retalking and trying and the
chat's going by.
Nick H (46:42):
I didn't even know there's a comment section.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (46:44):
I I was trying to monitor it.
Half of the things are mybrother making fun of me.
Nick H (46:47):
So you'll definitely have beer.
I'll buy him a beer.
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (46:52):
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll skip over those.
All right, Nick.
Thanks a lot, everybody.
Until next week.
Get out there, get on thewater, and get some tight lines.
If you take away the option to fish, that's it's just
it's that's not constitutional,in my opinion.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (00:12):
Hello and welcome back to the Fat Dad
Fishing Show.
I'm your host, Rich Natoli, anduh we had last week off.
We had a uh a guest that wastrying to get on and just could
not.
The uh the charter businesskind of caught up with him that
day.
So he's gonna be back on later.
I'll announce the name later.
Um, but later in the year he'sgonna come back on and and we're
(00:33):
gonna get there.
But tonight we have NickHanashevsky, Saltwater
Underground, your localmid-Atlantic national
personality, I guess.
Uh, the guy that represents uson TV with the fishing shows uh
and and you know, New Jersey,New York, all the areas in the
mid-Atlantic he's gonna be on.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout, well, straight bass regs.
(00:56):
We're gonna talk about thebarrier island at Beach Brawl,
uh tournament.
Uh I don't know if it'sactually a tournament, but uh
event, the the big event for NewJersey fishing, surf fishing.
And uh we're gonna talk alittle bit about Saltwater
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And with that said, we're gonnajump right into this.
First of all, I want to saythank you to everybody in the
chat.
Good to see you.
We'll try to work yourquestions in.
But with that said, I'm gonnabring Nick Hanashewski back in.
Nick, it's good to see you,man.
Nick H (03:22):
What's up, Richie?
How you been, brother?
All right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (03:24):
I I've been good.
I I gotta say, it was funny.
My wife was was talking to mebefore this, and she's like,
What are you doing?
Because I'm usually I'm usuallystill working at this time.
She's like, What do you whatare you watching on TV?
She's like, Oh, you're watchingfishing.
I was like, I'm watching myguest.
She's like, No, you're not.
I'm like, Yeah, yeah, here's myguest.
We were why we were watchingthe blizzard uh tog.
Nick H (03:48):
I've seen that a couple of times.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (03:51):
Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times,
but I I just love it because itjust kind of encapsulates what
we're heading into now.
I mean, it's still a littleearly for the blizzard tog, but
the cooler weather fishing andall of that.
And and before that, I watchedthe other one from last season.
The one I watched it actuallylast week, maybe the week
(04:12):
before.
I watched the one on thestriped bass.
So uh, you know, we got to talkstriped bass.
Yeah, but how you how have youbeen doing?
Nick H (04:19):
Good, man.
Real good.
I'm glad you watched uh theblackfish blizzard episode.
That kind of encapsulates likewhat saltwater underground's all
about, you know.
You know, just to like like hitthe nail on the head with what
what the show kind of entails isthat uh, you know, it's kind of
like underground roots, man.
You know, it's like we're outthere in three to four, five
inches of snow on deck, youknow, like the hardcore stuff,
(04:41):
not like that, you know, theeasy sunny fishing down in
Florida or something, you know,like we go out and we'd pound
it, you know, and a lot ofpeople don't realize how
hardcore we all are up here inthe Northeast, mid-Atlantic, and
and and all that.
But uh yeah, it was a funepisode to film, you know.
And uh, you know, we try andtarget those fisheries on camera
that nobody usually gets achance to see.
(05:03):
And funny enough, I saw youropening promo there, and you got
the sheep's head on the kayak.
That's awesome, number one.
But number two, our firstepisode that we're filming
season six now, which is gonnastart airing January 1st again
on Discovery Channel and all theother outlets.
But um, we filmed the Sheep'sHead episode with Danny Schaefer
of the Insomniac, who's likethe Sheep's head guru.
(05:24):
Every you know, he really hasbeen fishing for 25 years uh in
Jersey.
People never even knew theywere still here.
But uh that you know, that justgot me amped up watching you
catch that uh on your wheels,you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (05:36):
It's funny where where I was
catching those, Dan is alwaysthere.
So I mean Dan is truly thegodfather, the the guy who put
it back.
Uh I mean he put it back on themap because it was off the map
since like the 70s.
Right, right.
You know, the sheep's head.
And he's really it's all it allcomes back to him.
He's the one who got it going.
I mean, he's the bottom sweeperjigs, and all that stuff.
(05:59):
He he's the one who made itattainable.
And uh I've told this storybefore, but I'll tell you, it's
funny.
I went down to fish the outerbanks.
I went down for I think a weekor two weeks, and I was like,
Well, I gotta go fishing.
And I went into the shop andand they said, What are you
gonna do?
I was like, I'm gonna go forsome sheep's head.
And they're like, No, no, no,you have to come here, you have
to see this.
(06:19):
I was like, Oh, they're like,We got that, we got this thing,
you'll never believe it.
It you won't believe it works.
And they showed them like,yeah, it's a bottom sweeper.
They're like, You've heard ofthis?
And I was like, I'm I was like,I fished New Jersey, and like,
oh, you've heard of it.
I was like, Yeah, they were allexcited about it, so that's all
Danny.
Nick H (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right, Danny.
It was a great episode, man.
And uh, I'm not gonna let thecat out of the bag how we did,
but we did well.
And we wait till you see thesome of the fish that we caught,
man.
I mean, I rarely ever get achance where we have all our
footage in two and a half hoursfor like basically the whole
episode, at least for threesegments worth.
(06:57):
And uh it was just phenomenal.
And uh, wait till you see someof the the cool uh catches that
we had there and and some of thesize of the fish, and different
a little different way to do itthan I've done it with them
before.
So it's kind of cool, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (07:10):
All right, I'm looking forward to
that one.
I you know what, and and I lovewhen they're released at the
beginning of the year becausethat's where you kind of go into
the doldrums, right?
Like the only the only saltwater fishing I'm doing in that
time is for white perch.
Yeah, you know, yeah, you know,because I I don't unless I'm
going offshore and on for toginto January, but that all
(07:31):
depends on how long those boatsare running.
Nick H (07:33):
Surely, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (07:34):
So it gets me through.
Nick H (07:36):
And then there's blizzards you got to deal with
too.
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (07:38):
I I love that.
I I I went fishing, gosh, itwas maybe three years ago, and
it was down behind Stone Harbor,and I was in Hereford Inlet in
the kayak, and it's just me, andthere's not there's not any
wind.
All of a sudden it just startssnowing.
It's like a squall, but it'scoming, it's coming down.
And I go under the bridge, andthere and some guy walks out
(08:01):
onto the bridge, and he's like,You okay?
I was like, Yeah, he's like,you know, it's snowing.
I was like, Yeah, man.
I'm like, this is perfectweather.
Nick H (08:09):
I know it's magical, man, when that happens, you
know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (08:13):
I only got some tog that day, but
you know, that's really all Iwas I was fishing for because it
was in January.
Nick H (08:18):
But yeah, but just being out there when you're graced
with having a blizzard comethrough and uh having like a
whiteout, man, that's just it'sit adds to the experience more
than the fish do, in my opinion.
You know, it's just amazingbeing out there on the water
when the when the weather is alittle bit challenging or
different, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (08:36):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
All right.
Well, let's we we have limitedtime, so I want to make sure
that we jump in through some ofthese topics because look, we
got some big topics to talkabout.
And the first one, we're gonnaactually at Jim Hutchinson Jr.
is coming back on hopefullynext week, but sometime shortly,
and we're gonna be talkingstriped bass and some other you
(08:56):
know, fisheries news.
But I've seen some of youropinion, but I wanted to you
know have you kind of sharedirectly with people what's your
thought on this entire, youknow, it it's possible that
we're staring at a closure ofstriped bass.
Nick H (09:10):
Yeah, it like so I'll try and put it all together here
in one nice concise form.
But we were at the I was at themeeting down there in
Manahawkin along with aboutanother hundred anglers there.
You know, we're we were hopingfor a bigger show, but we got
what we got.
So if anyone is not aware ofwhat's what's on the table, you
know, there there might not onlybe like actual closures of the
(09:33):
fishery of no harvest thing, butthere might actually be no
targeting, which means you can'teven fish for striped bass.
And I know, I know it, I knowit here.
I hear from people, oh yeah,well, I'm fishing for blues,
quote, I'm fishing for skates,quote, quote, you know.
But I'll tell you what, man,it's like if you're there in
early December on the surf andthere's 500 people at Island
(09:54):
Beach State Park, the gamewardens know there's no bluefish
around, there's nothing else.
So they will write tickets, youknow, and that's their job.
They're putting in an untenablesituation.
But let me rewind before any ofthat could possibly even
happen.
We don't know what the regs aregonna be yet.
We're hoping for status quo,which is one fish between 28 and
31 inches.
But my thoughts are absolutely,I do, I mean, I'm vehemently
(10:18):
opposed to any no-targeting law.
Like if you take away theoption to fish, that's it's just
it's that's not constitutional,in my opinion, you know.
I get it, you know, I get it,like you know, you know, they're
trying to protect the species,but the one data point that I
did not like that they said,because I don't believe it, is
that they said catch and releasemortality was nine percent.
(10:40):
And I raised my hand, I askedthem a question, I said, where
do you what are the mechanismsthat you determine that nine
percent?
And the answer I got, theysaid, Well, we do tag and
release, and we have someacoustic tags, but they didn't
really have the right answer,they didn't know the actual
answer.
Yeah, and so I said, Well, howis that multiplied?
How many acoustic tags have yougotten out there and gotten
(11:00):
back that they're dead, numberone, right?
So even if they put 10 tagsout, right, and they got one
bat, which would of a on a deadfish, that means you would have
to multiply that times millionsto get like an actual uh subset
data sample to make that ninepercent a reality.
So, anyway, the no targeting isabsolutely off the table, in my
(11:22):
opinion.
Regarding no harvest, ifthey're gonna do something with
a no harvest with the waves,everyone's gonna have to suffer
up and down the coast, right?
Because they're they're doingit everywhere where everyone has
certain waves like wave two andwave five, and each wave is two
months.
So wave one is January,February, wave two is March,
(11:43):
April, and so on, right?
So if say they did a wave twoand a wave five closure, that
means we would be closed forSeptember and October and March
and April, which would suck,right?
Yeah.
For no harvesting and notargeting, right?
But in my opinion, if they weregonna close the fishery for no
harvesting, I mean, I've alwaysespoused this belief is do it
(12:07):
when they're breeding.
You know what I mean?
There's no sense in targeting50-pound fish that are egg
laden, you know, in March andApril, whether it's the
Chesapeake, the Delaware River,the Hudson, Rarit and Bay, if
they're gonna close, if we haveto close the fishery, I would do
it during the spring spawn forthe most part.
Because the fall run, you know,they're just fattening up,
they're not spawning anymore.
(12:28):
You know, that just makes themost common sense to me.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (12:31):
Yeah, I agree.
I I'm falling on the side thatyou are.
First of all, I don't trustanything that they say as far as
the numbers.
Nick H (12:37):
And they're they're the first to admit it too.
They say our data is it's notconcrete.
We're just trying, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (12:43):
I mean, I I spent years doing
statistical analysis for a verylarge company.
And here's the truth.
If you're working instatistics, it you can make it
say whatever you want it to say.
Sure.
Especially at the level thatthey're sharing data.
You know, we're not talkingcorrelation, we're talking or
we're not talking causation,we're talking correlation.
(13:04):
And and you know, unless you'redoing you know, some
significant regression testingon large samples, I just don't
get it.
And some of the things I'veheard about how they they get
even harvest numbers, it'sabsolutely insanity.
Yeah there was a captain inMaryland who was blown up about
this last year, or maybe it'sthe year before, and he was
(13:25):
saying what they did is theysaid, All we have X number, we
have 50 boats in this marina,and that means that they're
catching what I these are notthe real numbers, but they
assumed that everybody wascatching and keeping one fish
per day for the entire season.
Nick H (13:40):
Right, right, right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (13:41):
And that's what they used.
He's like, That's he's like, Noway is that possible.
He's like, half of these arerecreational cabin cruisers,
they're not even fishing, butthey just assume that they are.
And I get it, they're I I dobelieve they're doing the best
they can, but I don't know aboutthat, but I mean I really
don't.
Nick H (13:59):
I really don't.
I mean, I don't think they'redoing the best they can.
You know, I mean, there's waysto gather data.
I mean, they ask captains tokeep detailed logbooks of how
many fish they catch, when theycatch them, you know, what they
release, and yet they never askfor the information from the
captains.
You know, they're required.
I forget what the technicalterm is, but they're required to
(14:20):
you know keep the logbooks ofthe fish they catch, and they
never ask for the data, youknow.
I thought they did.
They do, but they don't use it.
I mean the the lady that was uhanswering questions says, Yeah,
we're working on correlatingand getting all that data and
having a system where we canactually get that data involved.
It's like then why are youasking for it?
If you instituted a plan thatdoesn't have an actual outcome,
(14:44):
why would you even ask us to doit?
And the conversely, we're atthe meeting, and I think one of
the captains was like, What'sthe data on the circle hook
mortality?
You instituted that law threeyears ago now for any kind of
straight bait bass fishing withcircle hooks.
Can you tell us one way oranother if it worked?
And they openly admitted, theysaid, We have no data to say
either way, you know?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (15:04):
Yeah.
I don't they're not collectingit.
Nick H (15:07):
Of course they're not, you know.
So I don't know.
I mean, we we can go on and on.
I mean, it's like beating it,you know, our head against the
wall all the time, but you know,you we have to beat our head
against the wall to fight forwhat you know what we need.
And and I have, first of all, Ihave no problems whatsoever if
the data is correct and it'ssalient data and it's truthful,
(15:29):
at least to have enough of thesubset of it to make some kind
of actual truth out of it.
I have no problem closing theseason or doing what needs to be
done to save the striped bassstocks, but they openly admit
they don't really know if youknow they're up or down.
And you're oh my god.
There was this one graph intheir PowerPoint presentation,
it was a bell chart, right?
(15:50):
Yeah, and the levels that theyhad where they said we need this
is the level we're trying toachieve, right?
You know, to declare the stocksrebuilt.
This is kind of like a halflevel, and this is like another
level that we're workingtowards.
The level that they want thestocks rebuilt at, that timeline
went from 1930s to present day,and not once did it hit that
(16:12):
top that top of that bell curve.
So the entire recreationalstriped bass fishery since the
30s, in their opinion, has neverhit that rebuild biomass.
It's like yeah, like they settheir goalposts so far away that
like it's not it's way beyondreality, you know what I mean?
They have to like change theparameters, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (16:33):
So that is you know what it seems
like every time that somethinglike this comes up, it just
turns into a cluster.
Nick H (16:41):
Yeah, you know, it's uh and and I and believe me, I
release 99.9% of all stripers Icatch.
I've always have, you know.
If one gets gut hooked and it'slegal, of course I'm taking it
home, you know.
But like I I'm catch andrelease since birth, you know
what I mean?
I I rarely ever keep any fishfor that matter.
But it doesn't mean that peoplethat have the right to take a
(17:03):
fish home, that their rightsshould be encroached, you know,
to be able to harvest a fish ifthey want.
But uh, but I'm a big believer,obviously, in catch and release
and the conservation of thestocks, but it has to be based
on legit data.
You can't just grab the shitout of the air, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (17:18):
Yeah, well, let's see if they
actually start collecting legitdata.
And we you know what, you knowwhat would fix it?
Collect the data and then let aprivate firm do the analysis.
Nick H (17:28):
Right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (17:28):
Like a like a you know that these
people have agendas, you know.
Nick H (17:33):
I mean, there has to be, and I hate being a conspiracy,
but like there has to be, youknow, there's just some, there's
always some back dealing whenyou're talking about this kind
of money in politics, you know,one one way, shape, or form, but
you can't let it get out ofcontrol, like, oh, it's you
know, all the commercial guysare buying everybody off, every
politician or something.
I mean, I'm sure there's some,I'm sure there's some
(17:53):
recreational guys that might bedoing it.
Who knows the truth?
But the point of the matter isis like you gotta have a you
know, a clean head on yourshoulder basically to look at it
and observe what's going on andwhat needs to be changed, you
know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (18:06):
Yeah, I I personally would like them
to actually research where thefish are going.
Right.
Because we know they're in thecanyons and we know they're not
looking at them out there.
Nick H (18:15):
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (18:16):
It could turn out that it could
turn out that we are at thepeak, but they're they're 150
miles offshore.
Nick H (18:21):
Right.
You ever hear, you know, youhear the sea bass guys in the
middle of the winter, likeJanuary December, you know,
jigging 30-pound bass up 60, 70miles off, you know.
And they always file that 20fathom line all the way from
Long Island down a lot too, justblown up on bait when the tuna
are there, you know?
Speaker 02 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Nick H (18:40):
Yeah, so yeah, it's difficult when you don't have
correct scientific data.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (18:44):
Well, let's see, let's see if they do
it.
I I just have such lowconfidence that they will.
But you know, and the otherthing that doesn't help is every
state does it differently.
I mean, Maryland has thecraziest opens and closures, and
but at least some of theirs,you know, hey, they're spawning,
so it's closed, closed, closed,you know, in certain areas.
(19:06):
So at least I get it, but Idon't know.
A lot of it just seems way toorandom to me.
There needs to be someconsistency between rec and
commercial, yeah.
And there needs to be some somereal consideration for the
data, as you said, because Ifirst of all get it get them off
the commercial menu.
Nick H (19:24):
I mean, there's no I mean, I don't believe striped
bass should be a commerciallyfished species.
You know, I'm big in theadvocate of you know game fish
species, and but you know, Imean bass are good to eat, I get
it, but go catch them yourself,you know.
Don't order them at arestaurant.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (19:37):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Uh honestly, I I don't put themin my top ten fish.
Yeah, I I really don't.
No, no, I mean they're they'regood, but you know, they're not
good enough for me to keep morethan a quarter of one a year,
and that's only if it's guthooked.
And honestly, Nick, I haven'tgut hooked a striped bass in
(19:58):
probably seven or eight years.
Nick H (19:59):
Right now, yeah, like likewise, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (20:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
I did have one that I could notrevive that was luckily within
the slot years ago.
That's probably four or fiveyears ago, but that's it.
It's just too much work toclean for something that doesn't
taste, you know.
It's yeah, you see, Paul.
Nick H (20:18):
Fun to fish for though, that's for sure.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (20:20):
Striped carp.
Nick H (20:23):
There it goes.
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (20:24):
Well, Paul's a sheep's hey, so he
doesn't keep them though, butthat that at least has a little
bit more taste, and the togdefinitely have a taste, but
that's a topic for another daybecause I'm I'm concerned about
them.
Nick H (20:36):
Let me real super quick 20-second chime in.
Yeah, I'm all for institutingregulations on sheep's head
right now because we're alreadystarting to see that they're
starting to get fished out andthe sizes are a lot smaller than
we first had them.
I mean, it's good to seesmaller fish around because
there is starting to become abreeding population again, the
conch traps and all thatthroughout the winter time, but
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or that are being pulled up.
But we need we need limits forthem because now it's it's it's
like surfshark.
And that when that blew up,like the shit hit the fan,
right?
So it's like the same thingwith sheep's head.
Everyone's doing it now,everyone's catching them kind of
thing.
There needs to be regulationsfor them right now, uh in my
opinion, you know, because it'stotally wild west right now.
And people are, you know, thatare aren't in the know that are
(21:20):
just going out there, they'rejust keeping them and taking
them home, and they're takingthem out of the ecosystem when
it's starting to try andreplenish itself to its
historical levels back in likethe late 1800s, early 1900s.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (21:31):
Yeah.
I I would like to see the databefore doing anything.
However, my gut tells me it'sit's time.
And I can just tell you, look,I know for a fact that there's
at least three guys we may notbe watching at the moment, but
that will listen to this andthen text me after I say this
that keep every sheep's headthey catch, every single one,
(21:54):
even the 10, 12 pounders.
They keep jersey, yeah, andthey don't need to, but they do,
and they give them away.
And I'm like, I get it.
You give them away.
Nick H (22:04):
They taste the same, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (22:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So I'd like to see the datafirst.
I will say that.
And I know that they arecollecting data.
They started what last year inI don't know.
Nick H (22:13):
All I know is that there's more sheep's head around
than redfish and cobia for themost part, and we have laws in
Jersey regarding cobia andredfish.
So you know what I mean?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (22:23):
Yep, yep, I agree.
I agree.
Here's a weird law.
They they put they sp they putspeckled trout under the same
thing as weakfish.
Yeah, well, I mean they'redifferent species, but it looks
like it.
Nick H (22:35):
You know, use the same law.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (22:36):
And if I always thought that was
funny because they don't looklike it.
Nick H (22:41):
It's so easy to tell the difference, but you know, I
mean, you really gotta know.
I mean, not really gotta know,but you know, and then they get
like the sand trout that kind oflook like weakfish too and
silver perch sometimes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (22:53):
I can see that I can see that,
yes.
I can see that crossover.
It's the spec.
I it's just funny to me how youknow they can be so on
something and off on others.
Nick H (23:03):
You're talking as a uh, I assume like a southern Jersey
type guy, like a lot of speckledtrout don't move north of
Barnegut Inlet.
I mean, they'll trickle up, butyou know, down south in the you
know, November, October,whatever, you'll get specks down
there.
But I bet you if you got aspeckled some guy calling in
Sandy Hook, they'd be like, Man,look at this weak fish with all
these spots, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (23:21):
Okay, you know, I'll give you that.
Yes, I'll give you that.
And even you look, it's it'sstill rare to catch them down
here.
I think part of it is becausepeople gave up fishing for weak
fish and you're gonna catch themin similar right, similar ways
and places.
Certainly, yeah, not the same,but similar.
So I think the targeting hasgone down definitely.
Hey, look, we we do need totalk about your your big event,
(23:44):
your annual event, because thisis one of the coolest events
that you're gonna find, I wouldsay, in the mid-Atlantic.
The Barrier Island Beach Brawl.
You gotta you gotta let peopleknow about it, what it is, how
they can get involved, and whyit's it's such a cool event.
Nick H (24:01):
Cool.
Well, thanks for the plug,first of all, Rich.
So this is a seventh annualBarrier Island Beach Brawl.
I've started this tournament,like I said, seven years ago.
This year it's on October 10thand 11th.
It's always on Columbus Dayweekend because everyone usually
has four days off for thatweekend.
So I only make it a two-daypart of the tournament.
(24:22):
So you have the other two daysfor your vacation, whatever you
want to do, you know.
But anyway, I started thetournament because honest to
God, I just I get so tired oflike social media and like how
everyone yells at each other andeveryone, you know, bitches and
moans and and has somethingsnarky to say, or this and that,
and making fun of people.
I was like, I want a tournamentlike the old tournaments, you
(24:45):
know.
Like when I was a kid growingup, it was about like getting
together with your dad or yourmom or your friends or uncle,
whoever, you know, going out andfishing and then being excited
for everyone, be amped, be like,oh man, that guy got a striper,
oh, he caught a fellow salviaon the Barna Gachetti, you know,
and like, you know, of coursethere was competition back then,
and people, you know, talkbehind each other's backs, being
(25:07):
like, oh, he doesn't know whathe's doing, kind of thing, or
whatever.
But it wasn't so vitriolic asit is like nowadays.
So I wanted to create atradition again, which is why I
built the tournament out tobring family together and have
people, you know, mark it ontheir calendar every year to
come back and join with friendsand take their kids out.
I've seen kids grow up fromthree years old to like 10 years
(25:30):
old now, and they come backevery year and they're more
stoked every year, you know, tofish with their mom or their
their dad.
And you know, I have friendsthat come around from across the
country, old college buddies,who I didn't talk to in 20
years, and they all gettogether, you know, just to fish
this tournament and get, youknow, it's a it's a it's a
commitment where they can allyou know rekindle relationships.
(25:51):
But you know, the point of thematter is is that it's not uh we
do give away cash and weactually have $35,000 worth of
free gear that we give awaybecause all my connects in the
fishing industry, everyonedonates heavy to it.
They're all monster prizes, youknow, from every manufacturer
that you can possibly imagine,including all the Barrier Island
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tackle shops, you know.
It's called the Barrier IslandBeach Raw because it's from
Manisquan Inlet to BarnegatInlet.
That's my island there, theBarrier Barrier Island there.
But the point is that we giveaway, you know, a ton of prizes.
There's cash prizes, obviously,too, for all the species.
It's not a striped bass, likestrictly tournament.
(26:32):
In fact, there's 15 eligiblespecies broken down into like
you know, bluefish, weak fish,trigger fish, you know, black
fish, a little tiny bonito instriped bass category is catch
photo release.
You don't even have to measureit, you don't have to weigh it
because I don't want to keepthat fish out of the water.
People are gonna catch bass inOctober, so I figured we might
(26:54):
as well make a category for you.
All you gotta do is snap aphoto.
I don't want to, you know, youknow, measure or anything, so we
get that fish back in thewater.
And you know, I just drawrandomly, whether it's a 12-inch
fit bass or a 15-inch bass.
Everyone's got an equal chanceof winning the bat top three
bass categories.
That's you know, so I don'tmake it like you know, you have
to catch the biggest one type ofuh deal.
(27:15):
But um, you know, it's uh sevenyears going strong right now.
And you know, if anyone wantsto sign up for it, you gotta hit
me up on Instagram at NickHanashevsky, and you can go to
the saltwaterunderground.comstore link, the Barrier Island
Beach roll and click that.
And uh we're closingregistration in nine days.
So if anyone hears this, youknow, do it now.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (27:35):
Yeah, it's I mean, it what really
appeals to me about it is it'snot like a hardcore tournament
where people are going to bestressed the whole time.
Speaker 02 (27:43):
Right, that's not the point, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (27:46):
Yeah, you see so many people, and I
kind of get that way sometimeswhen I do a tournament.
Like if I really want to try todo well, I've kind of turned
the corner on that, and now Ijust go out and have fun, you
know, and try to get togetherwith people to do it.
But I love the fact that justanyone can end up walking away
with a prize and feel like theyparticipated.
Nick H (28:06):
And that's if I can say that too.
Of course there's prizes forthe species, but I get so much
gear that I give it away, right?
So I pick your name out of ahat.
So, like, I mean, hundreds ofpeople are winning free stuff
for not even catching a fish,you know?
Speaker 02 (28:20):
Right.
Nick H (28:20):
And that's the way I want it.
I want you to go out and havefun with the chance of catching
something, and then you're gonnawalk away with something
because anyone who signs up getsan awesome SPF uh shirt, which
is cool.
You guys are gonna be the firstto see if you do on YouTube.
This is the first uh shirt Ijust got them yesterday from
sport fishing apparel.
But um nice you know, youalways get like the shirt, it's
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an SPF shirt this year.
You get a bag of fish bites,you get some stuff from Costa.
So it the entry fee itself,you're already getting all the
stuff back at you, and then yougot a chance of winning $35,000
worth of stuff.
Oh, if I may say one more thingtoo.
One of the most importantfacets of the tournament is that
anybody who doesn't want tokeep their fish, we keep them
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and I fillet them personally,and we donate all the fish to
St.
Gregory's Food Pantry in PointPleasant to feed the homeless
and hungry.
And every year that I go therewith coolers full of fillets,
you know, they're stoked.
And the people that run thepantry, I think they're nuns.
They say every year they getpeople saying, When's the fish
coming?
When's the fish coming?
(29:23):
So that makes me happy that youknow people really look forward
to eating the fish that wedonate there.
And then we also have a 50-50and raise money for St.
Jude's at the awards party atHeavy Reel Brewing, you know, uh
in the afternoon on theSaturday the 11th.
So yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (29:39):
See, Nick, this is this is the kind
of event I love.
Right.
It's not all for the glory andthe you know, the the big
picture of the the fish on thehook.
It's people out fishingtogether, and there's no reason
to hate the guy that just reeledin a fish next to you.
Right, right.
You're not the one.
You're entered anyway, you'reall entered anyway.
Nick H (30:00):
Yeah, it's the same chance with the St.
Croix Rift or the Fetty, youknow, cooler.
You know, it's the same chancefor the most part, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:07):
Yeah, and it gives it people to show
up to the awards thing too,because I didn't catch any, I
didn't weigh anything.
Half the tournaments, it's onlya quarter of the people because
a quarter didn't catchanything.
Right.
Another another quarter knowthat they're they're not in the
running, and then the lastquarter they're either they want
a beer or they they have ashot.
Nick H (30:27):
Yeah, you get to drink a few beers at Heavy Reel, and we
brew our saltwater undergroundlager for that event, too, which
is cool.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:34):
Yeah.
Nick H (30:34):
And then not only that, we you know that's where all
their prizes get given away.
So you should be there.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (30:40):
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, hopefully, hopefully weget a bunch of people in on that
and doing it.
Look, if you're just gonna doone event this year, why not?
You know, it's events likethis.
And I I love the fact that youdonate the fish that people
don't want to keep.
And you personally clean mostof or many of them.
Nick H (31:00):
Oh, yeah, all of them.
I remember those picks most ofthe time, yeah.
Uh I had my buddy help me onetime.
One one time we had you know,the bluefish came through big
time.
So there was tons of like oneand a half to three pound
bluefish.
Yeah, and everyone's just like,here, have them, have them,
have them.
So I was like, Of course, I'lltake them.
And took me like five hours tofillet them at the crab's call
(31:20):
in the back.
And and uh, you know, just theyou know, fresh white meat
fillets, they don't havebloodlines in them when they're
not small, and uh, you know, itwas a lot of fish to to fillet,
but I enjoy doing it.
I know I'm doing it for youknow to make people happy and
and have their guts full, youknow.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (31:35):
So yeah, that's great.
I I love that.
And it was well, you get youdonated almost a hundred pounds.
Nick H (31:41):
Last year was a hundred pounds of fillets that the
people donated to me and wefilleted.
We had we had over 200 fishdonated last year, and uh I
fillet filleted them all in theback, you know.
That's correct.
But you know, and like uh I Iguess you know, overall it's
mainly like small blues, butthen we have like use every year
like 20 some black fish thatare donated, sometimes bonito
(32:02):
are caught, trigger fish,kingfish, stuff like that.
You know, we won't you know wewon't fillet little tiny up
because they're just not goodeating, you know.
Right, right, right.
But but you know, every otherfish that's on that list is is
edible very and very good.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (32:17):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
I I don't know if I can make itdown.
I would love to though.
I may just buy the entrywhether I just stop in, man.
Nick H (32:25):
Yeah, just yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (32:27):
I mean, you you'd think I could
find some time to get down thereover those few days and uh you
know, walk the beach and justhang out and and everything.
And uh it's definitely myplant.
My brother's in the chat.
He wants to go down, he wantsone of your beers, actually.
Nick H (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be brewing them there.
It's a nice light lager.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He'll he'll be into that.
Nick H (32:46):
They'll be selling six packs of that too.
So you can take one home withyou.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (32:50):
All right.
I'm sure he'll take more thanone home with him.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, ifhe's at work, he's in a brewery
right now.
Nick H (32:59):
How about it?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:00):
Yeah, so uh God, I hope he's not at
work.
He'll end up getting fired.
Watching a live stream whilehe's at work.
Uh, yeah, all right.
So everyone, make sure youcheck that out.
Go to Saltwater Undergroundwebsite.
It is there at the top right.
I mean, you can go in and seeall about it, and then you go
into the shop and you can buyit.
And the dates again, Nick?
Nick H (33:20):
This October 10th and 11th, a Friday and a Saturday.
unknown (33:24):
Awesome.
Nick H (33:24):
Columbus Day weekend, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (33:26):
Is the award on the Saturday on
the 11th?
Nick H (33:29):
So, yeah, you can start fishing at 5 a.m.
on the Friday and you fish allthe way through till 3 p.m.
on Saturday, and the awardstarts at 4 p.m.
on Saturday.
And we start giving awayeverything at 6 p.m.
on that Saturday at heavy reelbrewing in Seaside Heights.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:45):
Okay, and it's all land-based
fishing?
Nick H (33:47):
Yeah, strictly land, strictly the surf.
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (33:50):
Okay.
All right.
So if you don't want to competefor a species, you just want to
enter it and fish it and andhope for an extra prize, you
could jump out on a kayak,right?
Nick H (34:02):
Nope.
No, no dice, brother.
I I have to rule with amilitant fist on this um,
believe me.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:09):
All right, fair enough.
You know what?
It's a good excuse to not lug akayak a hundred and some miles
down there for the day, too.
Yeah, that's always stressfultoo, because you know, you do a
tournament with a kayak, andthen all of a sudden you're
sitting at the awards thing withyour kayak unlocked unlocked in
the back of a truck, you know,with a thousand dollars worth of
gear in it.
So yeah, all right.
(34:29):
I I'll bring my uh I'll bringmy surf stuff.
Nick H (34:32):
Bring your surf run and grab your beach permits, man.
You know, get them.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:35):
All right.
Well, I'll jump on somebody'struck that has a permit because
I don't have any permits forthis uh for this.
Nick H (34:40):
There you go.
Park and walk, yeah.
That's good.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (34:43):
All right, so before we go, I want
you to jump back over toSaltwater Underground.
So yeah, you have season fivecoming up, starting.
So you had talked about oneepisode.
What are some of the what aresome of the species that you
think are going to be in?
You haven't filmed all of ityet, have you?
Nick H (34:57):
Oh, we've only done one episode, and I got to get all
this cut and edited by December28th of this year.
So we're in a mad dash rightnow, you know, because we're on
we're on, you know, just fournetworks Discovery Channel,
Sportsman's Channel, WorldFishing Network, and Waypoint
TV, all your streaming services.
You can always find all pastepisodes on there now.
But season six starts outDecember 28th, I think is the
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first episode that's gonna run.
But we did that sheep's headepisode to start.
We always like getting like ayou know a surf fishing one in.
We did we actually did a prettycool uh we still have to finish
it up, but uh surf luken, whichwas a cool episode.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (35:33):
That's catching up.
I I want to see that one.
Nick H (35:36):
Yeah, we went with uh Shelly Karas, too.
So if anyone knows Shelly is alocal legend down here on the
island.
Yeah, but um, but yeah, so wegot got some surprises lined up.
I actually have a couple traveluh related shows too, going to
the Florida Keys, so that'll bepretty fun to go fish down
there, you know, bringing ajersey style down there and
seeing how we can pound them outin the keys, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (35:58):
Well then when you're down there you
can make fun of them becausethey think you know 70 degrees
is cold.
Nick H (36:03):
I know, I know.
I won't be don't worry, I won'tbe wearing any bright turk
turquoise or orange shirts, man.
I'm always saltwaterunderground gear, and I'm from
the northeast, man.
You know, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (36:14):
I I have a problem with those
colors.
Uh it's just not me.
I like I wear black in thesummer.
It's sometimes I'll wear if Ineed a long sleeve, because my
black, I only have one black SPFshirt that's long sleeve.
So then I'll wear some of thelighter color ones, but uh, I'm
just not that dude.
Nick H (36:30):
I was never I'm never that guy either.
My show's not really basedaround that kind of look either,
you know.
But yeah, yeah, every now andthen you might see me with one
on.
I'm not saying it neverhappens, but uh just not my
ethos, really, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (36:42):
Yeah, well, especially not for the
show.
unknown (36:45):
Yeah.
Nick H (36:46):
We got like bunker chum on us, you know, squid hanging
out of our pockets, you know.
Yeah, it's real fishing, man.
It's like legit fish, realfishing, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (36:54):
Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it.
I I can't wait to see you andDan in that in that first
episode.
You know, I'll I mean no, I'llrecognize the spots.
Nick H (37:03):
I'm sure, yeah.
Uh we we tried keeping them asblurred as we could, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (37:08):
You know, I think to that point,
let me just say this.
And this is where a lot of thedrama in fishing comes from.
You showed a spot, you showedmy spot, you showed my spot.
Okay.
I'm just gonna say this.
You can agree or not agree.
We do our best to not showspecific spots, however.
If it's a bridge, it's asheep's head spot.
Done, done.
(37:30):
Uh uh you can argue and whineand bitch and complain all you
want, but it's a sheep's headspot.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if it's a jetty,guess what?
It's a tog spot.
Yeah, there's not much I can doabout that.
And if if you happen to catchthat one little flagpole that's
three miles distant that you canjust see, and now you know
where it is, uh, you know, we doour best.
Nick H (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's more or less thetiming of when uh with social
media more than I mean, TV islike when we're filming this,
it's six months before it evenairs, so it doesn't even matter.
But like when it comes tosocial media, that's where it
gets to be an issue because ifyou're posting something, you
know, with a discerniblelandmark in the back, then
everyone, you know, that aremainly new anglers who are just
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getting into it that just don'treally know the the ethos of
respect.
They'll just be like, oh,where's it?
Where's it?
I'm gonna go fish.
That's where the fish arewithout doing any work or
anything.
And I'm not gonna lie to you,there's been times where I
posted really quick on likeInstagram, and I get lit up and
I'm like, shit, man.
I'm like, oh, I left that thingin there, you know.
It's like, and then it's toolate to take down, and it's
(38:35):
like, oh, you know, spot burn.
I'm like, man, you know,whatever.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (38:41):
I've gotten lit up a lot.
I actually very rarely do anyvideos anymore for that's just
one of the reasons.
Yeah, but the one thing that Iam super, super careful about is
land-based spots.
To me, that's the biggest dealbecause if you're a land-based
fisherman, you do not have afraction of the options of
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people in a kayak or on a boat.
Yeah, uh, in a boat, it's like,okay, you know, I I can see a
little bit more ofunderstanding, but people still
and and by the way, I'll go backand say this I know a lot of
very, very experienced fishermenthat will jump on a spot just
because they saw somebody postit, and then they'll think that
they're dialed in on the speciesbecause they caught one there.
(39:24):
It's like, dude, you you sawNick catch there yesterday.
I mean, you didn't do reallyanything to find it yourself,
you just recognize through theblur that water tower.
Nick H (39:33):
Yeah, it's weird though too, because it's like, you
know, if if say I posted like apicture from last October or
something, right?
Where, you know, I'm standing,you know, next to Jenkinson's,
right?
In Point Pleasant.
And if I post that, right, eventhough it's like a year ago,
people will be like, oh, youknow, you're blind.
(39:53):
It's like those fish are gonnabe after four days, they're not
at that spot anymore.
And they're some are totallyI'm talking about striped bass
here, you know, in the surffishing or whatever.
But I still get the idea whypeople would get you know angry
with it, but it's so hard to beable to like communicate that.
Like if this photo was up thereeight months ago, you know, is
(40:14):
when I caught this thing orsomething, you know.
It's like you can't even getaway with retro posting anything
anymore.
And I kind of get that, butwhen people don't know the whole
story, everyone's first tocomment on it, and then it gets
viral being like, Oh, you'reblowing up spots.
It's like I'm blowing up a spotwhere I caught a fish two years
ago, you know, if that's thecase.
But I mean, I do get it.
Don't get me wrong, I fuck I II'm not a believer of spot burn,
(40:37):
and I hate when I see it, and Ihate when I do it, and I do it
usually inadvertently if ithappens.
There'll be something in thephoto that I forgot to blur out
or something, you know.
But believe me, you'll getcalled on it, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (40:47):
And uh I got I got called on it for
talking about the Eighth StreetJetty in Avalon.
I was like, can you even blowthat up at this point?
I mean, it's literallyeverybody knows about it in
South Jersey.
And it was for cocktail blues,Nick.
Cocktail blues was what thevideo was about.
Yeah, and I was like, dude,they're they're just swimming
(41:07):
through.
They weren't even there fiveminutes later.
Nick H (41:10):
You know, I mean, I I get I get both sides of it.
I really do, because I I getangry when you know people blow
up a thing and it's like, allright, you know, no one did the
work to go find this, and theword got out in one day because
someone saw it in the backgroundand now the spot's totally
blown.
Like any spot you fishnowadays, if you have it,
generally speaking, and I'mtalking surf fishing right now,
(41:32):
you may have three days ofyourself before it's blown.
You know what I mean?
My rule of thumb to tell youthis is that you don't tell
anybody about it, it's not gonnaget blown.
You tell your best closestfriend and swear him the secrecy
not to tell anyone, he's gonnatell one person, right?
And then it'll happen.
If you tell a friend and say,Oh man, you know, you're I'm
(41:54):
you're close, you're you're afriend, but you're not like my
brother, you're not as close asI am.
But I told you, he's gonna tellfive people, you know what I
mean?
So you can't even trustyourself.
Don't even like don't even tellyourself where you're fishing,
you know, if you really arepeople, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (42:07):
And that's why I don't do that's
one of the reasons I don't dovideos anymore, because it's
just it's just too much, toomuch drama.
I'm like, I'm just trying tohelp people catch fish, you
know.
It's not the spot that I'mtalking about, but yeah, but it
is what it is.
Yeah, oh well.
Nick H (42:23):
Yeah, that's it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (42:25):
Yeah, so hey Nick, thanks for coming
on.
I we we had agreed to keep thisa little bit shorter tonight.
Everybody, the Barrier IslandBeach Brawl, make sure you go
Saltwater Underground, check itout, sign up for it.
That's a great event with a youknow, I mean, you've already
talked about the benefits to thecommunity too.
So uh not only is it fun, butyou're gonna help some folks out
(42:46):
by doing that.
And if you're like my brother,you can go down and grab a beer.
Nick H (42:50):
There you go.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (42:50):
Yeah, at the very least, you're
you're grabbing a beer, andyeah, we'll be pouring them for
you guys, probably.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
And we'll see what happens withthese striped bass coming up.
I I'm really concerned aboutit.
I haven't been concerned for awhile about what they're gonna
do with any species, but thisone this one is concerning.
Nick H (43:12):
Yeah, that that's anytime I hear that no
targeting, that's really whatwhat really gets me fired up
more than anything.
So yeah, we'll have to see whathappens.
But yeah, let's hope for thebest.
Oh, by the way, if anyone'slistening to this, send your
comments into the ASMFC byOctober 3rd, because that's the
cutoff day for public comment.
And believe me, the words goneviral all throughout like social
(43:35):
media and like other outlets.
So we're really flooding themright now with with information
and with our opinions.
And you know, my personalopinion right now, as it is, is
I would like to probably at themost have status quo.
And if it has to be a closure,then do it in the springtime
when they're spawning in the bigegg-laden females.
But I don't want, I reallydon't want any kind of closure
(43:58):
whatsoever.
But status quo is what I'm whatI'm advocating for at the
present moment.
But whatever your position is,is up to you.
But send in your comments byOctober 3rd to be heard.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (44:10):
Yes, very good.
Everyone, please do that.
If you fish salt water, this isthis is gonna impact you.
You know, even if you don'tfish for striped bass, it's
gonna impact you because you canbe sure it's going to be used
as a model for the next species,too.
So, and I will just say thiswith government and anything
involved with government, oncesomething is enacted, it's
(44:31):
almost impossible to get itreversed.
Nick H (44:33):
Not getting it back.
unknown (44:34):
Yep.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (44:34):
No, the Philadelphia sales tax was
a World War II tax.
It was temporary and it isstill there.
And I think it's what, seven,maybe even more than seven
percent.
And uh the one time that I cansay that we got something back
was when they extended flukeseason.
That's that's the only timethat I that I remember that we
ever got anything back asfishermen.
(44:55):
And we had to do thatridiculous slot to get it.
Nick H (44:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (45:00):
So yeah.
So everyone keep that in mind.
Nick H (45:04):
Yeah, get active, make your voice heard with this one.
This is a this is like apivotal type of shift type of
legislation that's going to beenacted.
So make sure you're aware of itand make sure you make your
voice heard.
ASMFC website.
Just go right to the straightfast addendum, click on the top
page, and say leave comment, andyou'll be able to do it there.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (45:23):
Very good.
I'll uh I'll put a link in thisa little bit later so that
people have a link within theYouTube.
And I will also put one in thepodcast.
So if you're listening to thison the podcast, which most of
you do, uh that that watch orlisten, it's it's usually the
podcast.
I'll put a link in there aswell so you can go through and
uh give your opinions.
I'm gonna try to actually getthis uploaded tomorrow if
(45:46):
possible, just so that it'sahead of the third by enough
time for people to listen to itso that we can get something
done.
Um, yeah, so thank you verymuch.
Appreciate it, Nick, for comingon.
Everyone, I want to let youknow uh we're hoping for uh Jim
Hutchinson next week.
It's a little fluid, so we'llwe'll see if I can he's got
travel and and all this stuffgoing on.
He's a busy guy, but we'regonna see about that.
(46:08):
Uh and also want to announcewe're gonna do another fat dead
fishing meetup this winter slashlate fall.
Probably on the osprey.
We're gonna pick a day andwe're all gonna get together and
go for blackfish.
Nick H (46:22):
So yeah, you know what?
I just I just didn't realizethere was a comment section
here.
So everyone who left a comment,thanks, and I'll get back to
you whenever I can.
But you know, I appreciate anyuh any comments you guys had.
I just noticed them right now.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (46:36):
Yeah, no, it's it's all good.
It's it's tough when you'retalking and trying and the
chat's going by.
Nick H (46:42):
I didn't even know there's a comment section.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (46:44):
I I was trying to monitor it.
Half of the things are mybrother making fun of me.
Nick H (46:47):
So you'll definitely have beer.
I'll buy him a beer.
Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (46:52):
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll skip over those.
All right, Nick.
Thanks a lot, everybody.
Until next week.
Get out there, get on thewater, and get some tight lines.
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