EP 57: Night Bites, Secret Squirrels, & Tackle Truths with Stefanos (Sport Fishing Outlet)

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Stefanos - Sport Fishing Out (00:00):
If you go and just throw something
and you just kind of dip out,close your eyes a little bit,
and listen to the sound and hearthe smash that's gonna happen,
you will be completely hooked totopwater fishing at nighttime.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (00:19):
Hello and welcome back to the Fat Dad
Fishing Show.
My name is Rich Natoli, yourregular host, and tonight we're
gonna have Stefan.
Stefanos from Sport FishingOutlet.
And uh if you don't know Steph,look, you're missing out.
This is one of those, and I'mgonna say this without any

(00:40):
exaggeration, not just becausehe's coming on.
He is one of the very few shopowners that knows what the hell
he's talking about, no matterwhat topic you have.
I mean, he's like throwingnames of lures around.
I spend half the time nodding,like pretending I've heard of
him.
He knows the lures, he knowsthe fish, he knows the species
of freshwater, saltwater.
He's he's both.

(01:02):
He's both.
And he'll get you on the fish,too.
I mean, he's one of those guys.
Uh, it is the shop that I go towhen I need tackle.
Uh, and look, whether it'ssaltwater or freshwater, this is
gonna be a good episode foryou.
If you don't know him already,uh, get to know him tonight and
you're probably gonna end upgoing to a shop.

(01:22):
Uh, with that said, before wejump on with Stefanos, we're
gonna go through the uh thesponsors here real quick.
First one is Great BayOutfitters, the premier,
primary, original sponsor ofthis show, Paul at Great Bay.
If you're looking for anythingkayak related, whether it's a
new kayak, even a used kayak,Paul and Great Bay Outfitters is

(01:44):
where you want to go.
It's Radio Road in Tuckerton,New Jersey.
And uh it's a place where youcan actually get on the water
and test out the kayaks beforeyou buy them.
So, brand new, you can get OldTown, you can get the Crescent,
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Uh, you can you can getconsignment uh kayaks so you can
pick up an occasional Hobiethere, a wilderness, any

(02:06):
different kind of kayak.
So check them out.
That's where I go.
I spend way too much moneythere.
I have way too many things thatI don't need just because I try
to stop by there every time I'min the area.
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(02:29):
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have a Toyota, give a call toKevin and see if it's something
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(02:50):
If you won't benefit from it,Kevin's just gonna say, yeah,
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But if you would, he's gonnatalk through exactly what it'll
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I do specialize in residential.
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(03:11):
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And with that, I'm gonna bringon Stefanos and so you can see
him, and I'm gonna do a littlebit more of an intro.
Stefanos, good to see you, man.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing (03:30):
What's going on?
Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, thanks for thanks for coming
on.
It's been a while that we'vebeen talking about this.

Yeah, very good.

There was a baby that was taking all
of your time and energy way backwhen we first talked about it.
You are running a shop.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Ou (03:45):
And now there's another one coming.
And now we're getting it inbefore.

Yeah, we gotta take advantage.
Yeah, we gotta take advantageof the time that we have.
So look, everybody, if you'renew to the show, one of the
things that I always say is Iwant you to look at your local
shops above and beyond all else.
So on my YouTube channel, I dohave some videos that have links

(04:10):
to Amazon so that you can buywhat I'm talking about.
I'm telling you right now, thisepisode, any episode, if you
ever hear something, check yourlocal shop first.
And I'll tell you right now,you want to talk to Stefanos for
most of the tackle because hedoes stock in Pennsylvania, but
you stock the full complement offresh and salt water all the

(04:32):
way down from surf gear to Ithink I've seen some tuna rods
in there.

Stefanos - Sport Fi (04:36):
Absolutely.
Yeah, everything from trout totuna.

Trout to tuna.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing O (04:41):
It's all double tease.

Yeah, and Scotty wanted to be on, but
he's sick.
He's he's really sick.
Yeah, he said he might be inthe chat.
I doubt that he's gonna make iton at all because he's like
really sick.
But yeah, he was excited about,you know, and this is a guy
that he he guides salt water inNew Jersey, but he he likes
going to your shop.

(05:04):
And when I when I was talkingabout you, God, this summer, he
was going crazy.
He's like, You gotta have himon, you gotta have him on.
I was like, Yeah, it's not thateasy to coordinate sometimes.

So yeah, no, no, he's awesome,
he's awesome.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (05:18):
So he's disappointed he's not
here.
But uh yeah, so why don't westart off this way?
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about the shop and then
we'll just start talking anytype of fishing and anyone in
the chat, if they have anyquestions, any topics, no matter
what it is, I'll just startputting them in the chat and
I'll do my best to pull some ofthose out.

Yeah, absolutely.
So basically, the this thestore itself, I I took over the
shop a couple years ago from anold gentleman named Harry.
When I first got the shop, itwas like it was just like a
whole different experience.
So from fishermen and die hard,you know, however, we think
we're pretty die hard, you meetenough people in a fishing store

(06:01):
there where you it's a humblingexperience, but you are kind of
tossed in, you're learning alot.
So for me, my background wasyou know a a little different.
Let's say, you know, just thestart of fishing for me is was
just a little different thanwhat you know what's what we're
seeing nowadays.
Like kids are coming in andit's the the advancements in

(06:25):
fishing and keeping up withfishing, salt to fresh.
It's it's a little tough in asmall store, but you know, our
our customers definitely makeit, you know, a lot of these
things were recommended.
You know, hey, I I you know, Iwish you you had this spade in
this color, you know, and itkind of the store gets built

(06:47):
through its customers.
So that was probably the mostimportant thing for me and and
getting started here.
You know, naturally I just lovehelping people, talking
fishing, you know, so that'sfun.
You know, that's the fun sideof things.

Yeah, I remember the store before you
owned it, and it to me was morelike a standard shop, right?
You go in and they had whatthey had and you know wanted to
sell you what they had.
And I remember right when youfirst opened, I went in and we
had a conversation.
And I said, you know, this isthe kind of stuff I'm looking

(07:25):
for.
And we had a we had aconversation.
Next thing I know, you'recarrying the stuff.
You know, like I think we'vegot some in in stock, but you
went and you bought new and youdidn't pull it out of inventory,
and you had this, you had thissalt water stuff that you look,
let's be honest, you can't findgood saltwater stuff in
Pennsylvania.
You you see like one littleshelf with like six things on

(07:45):
it, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (07:46):
And it's that is not yeah, and that
is not what what you find atsport fishing.
SFO is like stocked, stocked.
So I will say that that won meover right there, just the first
conversation.
I was like, he'll never haveit.
But I swung in anyway, and nowI just waste so much freaking
time in your shop.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
A lot of people do, a lot of people do.
It's fun.
There's there's there's Scotty,he's in the Yeah, Scotty's in.

Yeah, uh, he's he's unable to talk,
but uh he's able to chat, yeah.
Yeah, so so the shop, do youwant to where is it?
Let everyone know what's goingon.

Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry, we we went we wentfast forward there.
So we're uh in East Norton, soPlymouth Meeting Mall, we're on
Germantown Pike, so it'll comeup Norristown or East Norton,
but sport fishing outlet.
We just updated, we've had somesocial stuff for a while.
It's SFO Tackle.
Our website is live, brand,brand new.

(08:44):
So we're you know, fullyshoppable.
We're working some kinks out,but we actually I I was telling
Rich right before we got on, butwe made a code just for this
live, basically.
So it's fatdad15.
So it's SFOTackle.com.
You can use that code,fatdad15, and it'll be a code,
you know, just to kind of sharefor all you guys.

(09:06):
So we appreciate it's 15% off,basically.
Take your pick in the shop.
So I can't say I'll get introuble if I say certain brand
names.
So we'll keep it at that.
But yeah, we're we're we're ina weird area, you know.
We're we have streams andcreeks, you know, we're
Pennsylvania, but I would saythe majority of people that come
in are taken back by the salt.

(09:28):
They're like, this doesn't makemuch sense, you know.
The the people who know us,they come in, they they realize
that we we enjoy fishing.
So a lot of people who are inJersey, a lot of us live here.
You know, there's a lot of PA,you know, a lot of PA people who
travel, who, you know, I drivetwo hours to catch a tide, and I

(09:51):
come home, and people think I'ma psycho, but I'm sure I'm not
alone.
You know, there's a lot of sowe drive, you know,
Pennsylvanians don't mind.
The closest lake, you know, Ihave a bass boat.
The closest lake to my shop isis a good hour.
So drive an hour here, an hour.
It everything takes an hourfrom us, so it seems a little

(10:12):
far, but you kind of get used toit.
You know, so the store is, Iwould say, uh a lot of jigging,
bottom fishing, fluke stuff.
We we we like to target fluke.
So from the boat, from land,striper, same deal.
From the boat, from land.
That would be, I would say, ourspecialty in the salt.
We do dabble with with some ofyou know, some tuna stuff, some

(10:35):
popping and jigging and all thatthings, but I'm not that's not
my that's not my forte.
So I'm more of an insure guymyself, but like I said, this
place is grown on informationfrom guys who are very good at
what they do, who don't haveYouTube channels or anything.
They're kind of like we weretalking, you got the secret
squirrels of the fishing.

(10:56):
I got a ton of those guys thatcome shop and and we sit and do
this, you know.
Probably I would say threenights a week.
I was telling Rich if the doorslams, that means there's
somebody stopping in here to todo our, they see my truck and
they want to talk fishing.
So it never ends.
But um, yeah, it's a mix, youknow.
But the specialty I would sayis is the fluke, the striper,

(11:17):
and our largemouth, smallmouth,our smallmouth fishery in PA is
unbelievable.
So I would say the target ifsomebody were to come in and you
know, a lot of this stuff isgeared more towards lar, you
know, smallmouth, largemouth.
But we like to try to get aheadof some stuff.
So the glide baits and a lot ofdifferent things like it.

(11:40):
We we've been in that game fora while.
Now it's cats out of the bag.
I've been working on a niceglider for you, Scotty, uh, full
through wire, just for thetuna.
So get ready.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (11:51):
Come and yeah, it's funny.
We we were talking today, so II was in the shop today, and and
for everyone, just so you know,we were talking glide baits for
quite a long time and how allof a sudden they became popular,
but they've always worked, andit's just amazing.
But you you were talking aboutlike the secret squirrel people
that they don't say things veryloud, but they they know what's

(12:12):
going on.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
So those are the guys, those are the guys, yeah.

But you're one of them, and that's
the thing.
Like, you're not out therebroadcasting everything, but I,
you know, I I consider like Italk a lot about the importance
of pre-planning your trips andknowing what you're going to do.
So you have your plan.
And actually, we talked aboutthis today for a little bit.
You know, you you're also a bigbeliever in having a plan and
checking out the maps and thecontours and all that stuff.

(12:39):
But you're one of the ones thatI go to.
When I'm not sure what I'mgoing to do, I'll swing by the
shop and I'll buy some stuff Idon't need, just and hoping that
you're hoping you're in theshop.
But actually, the guys in theshop are the same way.
Like they know what's going on.
Even the even the the guys inthe summer, the kids Oh yeah.
I mean, those are kids aredialed.

We do we the the kids are like
sponges.
You get a young kid who'spassionate about fishing that
cares to learn, that works foryou.
If you can find it, if thereare any other people out there,
those are the it's hard to find.
So I got lucky with the twoyoungsters that worked for me.
So but yeah, you gotta, I mean,you gotta be dialed in.
Yeah, you could buy every itemin this store, every item from

(13:22):
somewhere.
I tell I tell customers all thetime, I really appreciate you
came and shopped with me becauseyou could buy it anywhere.
It's very hard to becompetitive in my world.
So this is a world where youhave to provide the service, you
gotta, you gotta spend an extrafive minutes talking to
somebody, but typically it leadsto a lot more conversations in

(13:42):
the future, and if they comeback and tell you I just busted
my PB, that's what it's allabout.
So, you know, it's that'sreally it's it's it's tough to
stay competitive in ourindustry.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (13:58):
Right.

It's it's a brutal industry if the
the fishing world, as we see,companies get swallowed by
companies, a guy's makingsomething really good, then the
next guy makes something similarto that, and then it never
ends.
It's a very competitive market.
So for us, I try to sell thestuff that we we know we've

(14:20):
used.
You know, if you can't, youknow, you you've showed me stuff
before and I'm like, okay,let's bring it in, you know.
We have confidence in it, butthe staff and myself, I feel
like we we put, you know, we tryto get that in for, you know,
some people are very brandsensitive and fishy.

Yeah.

You know, we try to, hey, this is,
you know, we've done very well.
I understand, you know, butthat's some people can't be, you
know, we I don't try to sellpeople.
I try to just provide what's,you know, what are you gonna
need to to do what you're doing,you know.

Right.
I'm just I remember we we went,we went, I came in last spring,
and I was like, look, I I Igotta do some fresh water
because I'm pretty much off thewater for salt.
And I was like, I'm gonna gofor smollies, and I had all
these things in my hands, andyou you kind of give me this
look, and you're like, okay,let's put that back and let's

(15:14):
come over here again.
You're like, you're fishingnow, and I was like, Yeah, and
you're like, okay, well, youdon't need that.
Yeah, and you were like settingme up with it.
And then when I came back laterin the summer, I forget his
name, one of the younger guys.
He's and I said, Yeah, I'dreally like to just try to
target snake heads, butsomewhere really local.
I I don't have the energy toget like into the weeds

(15:36):
anywhere.
And he's like, Okay.
Yeah, he put your hand on it.
Yeah, and I saw them.
I wasn't able to get a bite,but I saw them.
Yeah.
And then I'm getting reportsfrom people, I think I saw this.
I'm like, you did.
You did.
I've seen it the last twoweeks.
I've been trying to get it tobite.
Yeah, yeah.
And but that's that's the theshops apart because you know,

(15:57):
there there are shops that Iused to go to in South Jersey
that are now closed.
And the ones that lasted thelongest had that going.
And it's when they stopped withthe with the interactions and
the relationships with theclients or the customers, is
where they started to godownhill.
Some of them were it was as itwas as sad as the owner passed

(16:20):
away.

Yeah.
And then nobody could followthe path, you know, it's it's
it's tough, you know, it's atough thing because, like I
said, it's it's gets brutalbecause it is very competitive.
You know, these guys can, youknow, these big companies don't
mind putting stuff on, you know,40% off, and everybody gets
excited, which is exciting.

(16:42):
I'm also a shopper before thestore owner, so it excites me.
But that's how a lot of theseshops can't hang.
It's you know, you end up, youknow, they're competing with us,
we're buying from them.
They kind of go around the reyou know, we're the small guy in
the picture, so for us, you weneed to do to set apart.
You know, the setting apart isus talking to the customer for

(17:05):
another couple minutes.
And for us, it is a littleunique.
You got a guy that comes in whois very open to, you know, he's
brand new, he wants to learn.
Then there's a guy that I mightsee 12 times before he says, I
can't catch this bass, it's inthis pond.

Right.

And I'm like, I've seen you 10
times.
What have you been waiting for?

Why don't you say something?

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outl (17:32):
I asked you, do you need
anything?
You know, people are very, youknow, I I did some like, you
know, in school we we did somelike psychology stuff, and it
was how men shop and how womenshop.
And it was like a thing.
And I I do notice a womanwalked in today, she looked at
me, I looked at her, she said, Ineed a bag.

(17:55):
I said, Here's a bag.
She said, I need a book bag.
I said, There it is.
She said, Okay, is this theonly one?
I said, Here's another.
She goes, Thank you so much.
She knew exactly what sheneeded.
She didn't waste, you know, shewas quick, she needed
something.
Men, you know, they come in,they're not shy to ask, like,
hey, I can't find this.
Show me where it is.
You know, yeah.

(18:15):
Some men, it takes some time toget through.
They don't want to just say,hey, dude, I might have walked
by this item, but can you pointme there?

So I'm one of those.

I'll I'll look around for ask.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Where is this thing?

You know, you may as well.
I mean, it saves time, it savesenergy.

And you some people like rail, so I
don't overdo it.
I never want to.
Some people like to look atevery item.
I have a lot of those shoppers.
I don't call them windowshoppers because fishermen shop
differently.
A lot of guys come in just tocome in to hang.
So it's different from anotherplace, like you know, people
come in differently.

That's how I do it.
I I'll go in and I'll walkaround the shop.
And my wife always says, Howlong are you going to be gone?
I'm like, Well, I'm going tosport fishing outlet.
She's like, All right, I'll seeyou tomorrow.
And she's like, Are you buyinganything?
I'm like, not today.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah.

So I'll go, I'll go like three or
four times.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
There's no pressure.
There's no pressure.

But then when I when I but uh
through those three or fourtimes and those conversations,
I'll come back and I'll buy $200worth of stuff on the next one,
right?
That can happen quick.
Yeah, I mean, but I I I planit, so I know I plan it over
time, so I know what I'mgetting.
So okay.
People need to check out yourwebsite.

(19:30):
There is that 15% off.
We are getting some questionsin there that I'm gonna want to
get.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
We've got some good stuff here.

Yeah, and and we're gonna bounce back
and forth.
Whether, look, guys, if youhave freshwater or salt water,
go ahead and and throw them inthere.
I will say for those that arenew to this, I fish freshwater.
And I will, and there arecertain things that I'm really
good at, but I will never takethe same quote unquote

(19:57):
authoritative stance on anyfreshwater.
That I do with some salt water.
So I don't consider it to belike my expertise.

So I'm going to be like there's no
fish close to that.

No.
I I am if you were if if youwere to put it on a scale of you
know one to a million, and Isaid 500 on a fluke, right?
And I'm I'm 480 on striped bassand whatever on TOG, and you
say, all right, what about whatabout trout?
I'd say one.

(20:29):
Even though I'm pretty good attrout.

Fluke is it.
Fluke is the dominator.

Yeah, it's just I feel like I have
some expertise there.
So I'm not I won't be chimingin as much.
Like walleye.
I used to fish walleye all thetime.
In winter walleye.
All the time.
But that was back when I was incollege.
Like, so I'm not gonna I'm notgonna present my techniques on
catching winter walleye becauseI haven't done it in like the
best.

(20:55):
It is.
I love walleye fishing.
They're tough, but once youfigure them out.

My brother called me two weeks
ago.
He said, You have the heaterbuddy.
I said, Yeah, I got the heaterbuddy.
He said, All right, I'm justgonna make sure you're ready.
This is the this is likethere's not much to do right
now.
So if you're not, you know, ifyou can't sit still, there's
fishermen who are like, this isbad.
They talk about what is that?
What's that when you startgetting depressed, seasonal

(21:22):
depression?
Is that what you call it?

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad (21:24):
Seasonal, what is it, affective disorder
or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.

Like it's getting dark out, so
people start to get well.
I think there's a fishing one.
I'm not sure what it's gonna becalled, but we can come up with
a name during the show.
But they get people startgetting really antsy.
There's nothing to do.
There's they come in, they'relike, man, I want to go, but my
lot uh every you know, walleye,you can catch crappie, you could

(21:49):
catch.
They they eat like they eat,you know, on a they're not in
winter, you know, like are inwinter mode.
So you could catch striper, Imean, 365 days of the year if
you wanted to, you know, backbays and and the rivers.
People don't really like to.
I mean, there's striper guys inthe river who target the

(22:10):
spawning striper, and there'sstriper guys who fish the river
and target the striper.

Right.

Two different types of guys here,
because there's the river guyswho were targeting those fish in
a specific time who were movingto migrate to spawn.
But I have buddies who fish theschool all year, send me
pictures of.
I have a buddy who we post thisstuff, his name's Billy, but he
he's told me he's he's uh youguys have seen him on party

(22:37):
boats probably.
We post this picture all thetime.
He's a big fluke fisherman,tog, yeah, saltwater guy, but he
lives near the school.
He said, if I could fishanywhere for like for forever,
I'm fishing in a school.
And I was like, You're kiddingme?
He's like, Steph, I mean, Icaught a drum, I've caught
snakehead, I've caught striper,I've caught smallmouth, I've
caught walleye, I've caughtcatfish on the same lure.

Yeah.

Like you, there's not many places
you can do that.
You know what I mean?
There's not you can go to lakesand do it, but it's tough.
There's no current, you can'tposition the fish, you can't
position your lure, like youcan, you know, that's something
we could get into.
I feel like a lot of people,the river should be helpful to
people.

Rich Natoli - Fat Da (23:21):
Presenting right, right.
Well, let's talk about that ina second.
Let's let's hit though rightnow.
Let's let's talk while I inDecember.
What are your tactics?
What do you bring in?
What are you doing?
So like where where are youlooking for them, first of all?

I'm looking for so Schuyl and
Delaware are just the two localto us.
So you could pick any riversystem, I would say.
So winter winter holes, I justcall them winter holes.
Obviously, people have namesfor them, but I'm looking for
fast-moving water where fishtypically like to come up to
spawn.

(23:58):
So where a fish would come tospawn, so you have a dam, some
kind of dam system.
So they come up to spawn.
Those fish are getting readyfor that time of year.
So they start to winter in theslow, slower, deeper pools
underneath that stuff.

Yep.

So if you can find the riffle in
the Delaware where it's a riffleand you could see for 200
yards, it's a slower pool.
Even if it's six feet of water,you could catch this walleye.
Right now, it if it's until itfreezes, until you can't fish
anymore, you could catchwalleye.
The leave a jerkbait, if youlike to play the, you know, this

(24:37):
the slower presentation, andyou want to just kind of where
it's freezing.
Sometimes you can't sit thereand do this nonstop.
You kind of have to catch yourjerkbait and let it swing in the
current and just twitch it andkeep it, you know.
That's why I like boot fishingin the current.
So I've always been a currentperson, rather.
So I think that's why.
And the walleye's been, I wouldsay, past four years, five

(25:00):
years, I never thought to targetthem until we figured something
out late in the year.
And I was like, I don't thinkthese things are gonna stop
eating.
And then we did it until wecouldn't do it anymore.
And then it became a pattern.
But slower, slower stuff.
So jerk baits, something youcan kill and let it just wiggle
and keep get it in the strikezone.

(25:22):
So if you're fishing six, eightfoot of water, like a
three-foot or four-foot diver,like a regular suspending jerk
bait, so like like a husky jerkor a lucky craft pointer or
anything that suspends.
Also, a lot of people don'twant to buy expensive jerk
baits.
I'm the first person to tellpeople I sell these little dots.

(25:45):
So you could take your floater,and I I have like an
80-year-old fishing mentor.
He's like dialed me into tuningthings, like crazy amount of
tuning.
He's taken floaters and madethem suspend.
So if you have something that'scoming up too fast, you can dot
it once, fish it, you'll see itgo a little slower, and you can

(26:06):
actually get it to sit there.
So if you really want to gettechnical, I don't think it's
that technical, but sometimes itmakes a difference.
I'm a paddle-tail grub jig headall day.
I think if you put a 2.8 inchto a 4.8, even a 5.8, I'm

(26:27):
fishing areas where there'sgizzard shad in the water at the
same time.
So there's huge gizzard shad.

Yeah, so you're going a little larger
profile.

I can, because you never know.
You know, we also are targetingbig flathead that are in the
same areas.
So, and this is similar.
This isn't just a school thing.
I I fish more or less in theschool.
And the school, honestly, youknow, from the Delaware all the
way up to the art museum, allthe way up to where I'm at,

(26:55):
which is Norristown here inBridgeport, there's walleye all
the way, all the way down to theriver.
So people think it's a spathing.
I really don't think it's a spathing because I've had
customers send me pictures ofwalleye in places where I was
like, damn, I didn't think thatwould winter walleye.
So that's why I said earlier, Ithink it doesn't need to be

(27:16):
really deep.
Because I've been, you know, I,you know, it's like boom, you
think you know something untilyou don't.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right.

That's like most things.
You're like, I figuredsomething out until a guy
catches him in two feet ofwater, and you're like, so maybe
do they really need the deepwater?
But the two feet is usuallynear something.
So December, it's cold and youhave to fish very slow.
So dragging, you know, mediumaction rod, light braid.

(27:48):
Now it's tough.
So I fish I fish a super longleader if it's getting icy.
Once my braid is freezing,though, I'm not gonna lie,
that's why I bring my heaterbuddy.
I think that's what I usuallycall it.
But if you get a good day whereyou can cast with 10 pound, 15
pound braid to a 15-pound liter,12-pound liter, I'm not super,

(28:10):
I'm not super specky.
Because I've, you know, you runout of liter when you're
fishing.
I tell my buddy, like, yo, cutmore, cut off some lines.
And I'm putting on his line.
So I never got crazy dialed.
You know, I know people are,but anything 10 pound to 15
pound, they're toothy.
They're not gonna cut yourline, though.
They're they're you know, theygot some fangs, but Kitex,

(28:33):
Yamamoto grubs, little grubs.
I'm a paddle tail guy, but I'vewatched guys catch them with,
you know, I catch them with zoomflukes.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (28:42):
I was gonna say, what about the
zoom?

Zoom fluke, three inch junior.
I I like to sauce my stuff, soI big pro to your guy.
Um pro to your sticks and justdoes not come off plastic.
It like stays on for a while.

So the the the zoom flukes are
what we used to catch them on inthe Schuylkill.
It was just the zoom flukes.
And and one of the reasons wedid it was this was so this was
a long time ago.
Like I was in college when whenwe're in high school when we
were doing this.
One of the reasons that we usedthe zoom flukes is it was so
inexpensive and we'd get snaggedall the time.

(29:18):
So, you know, you need enoughweight with these rods that we
had to get it far enough outthere, but we didn't want them
hanging on these rocks as we'refishing along these currents.
So we'd have the zoom flukes onthere with the because and they
were bigger, so we had more ofthe weight on the plastic.
Yes.
And we used to catch, we usedto catch some nice walla.
I mean, yes, I remember thefirst one, we had no idea what

(29:39):
it was.
Like we we weren't we weren'tgood at fishing, like we we
didn't know anything butsmallmouth at that time, and we
started catching these things.
We're like, we didn't know whatthey were.
We had to go home and look atthe fish identification book
because the internet wasn'tawesome.

The internet wasn't a thing, it
didn't exist.
So you you said it perfect.
The light head with the bigbody.
Yeah, I am a humongous fan.
We've gotten jig heads made inhere, custom for like sluggo
fishing on a jetty.
But I I I really feel mostpeople this is they they I don't

(30:15):
think there should be as muchof a salt fresh divide.
Like the the tactics are so soclose.
I was never dialed into freshuntil this shop, and it was
different because I did a lot ofsalt and I've spear fished and
I've done all types of stuff, doweird stuff in the ocean.
But the fresh with the boat andthe technology and learning how

(30:39):
these fish are you know movingin a lake system or something, I
think it's it's it's uh sodialed in, but they're so
similar.
The only thing that's differentis that big tide, but that
bait, like a zoom fluke, thelight, the light head with the
big body, it falls different, itacts different.

(31:00):
And in when you do touch andyou lift, you can and it'll
it'll hit and move.
Yeah, I think that's what Itake people to the river and I'm
like trying to teach them howto fish an editor, and it's as
similar as basically flicking as a fluke.
Yeah, but he's like looking toohard, he's trying to feel 16th

(31:21):
ounces, 15th ounce, a 20th.
And I'm like, dude, stoplooking, stop trying to feel
something.
You need to just stare at yourline.
That's why we use colorfulbraid.
So there is you know, linewatch, and when you know, the
currents kind of move in yourbraid, and when you see that
that little notch go like this,you can kind of lift the rod,

(31:42):
and it's it's not going bump,bump.
And we do the same thing forfluke, so we use the same
technique.
It's like I I'm doing the samething in first day opening
flounder in any back bay in NewJersey, anywhere where there's a
current, and I know there's alittle deep water near it.

(32:03):
Working something light andallowing it to move when you
when you lift it off the bottom.
I think a lot of people fishway too heavy.
And this is like a very common,you know.
So I I've had guys laugh at mewhen I tell them to grab a
quarter ounce jig.
And I'm like, a quarter.
I don't I didn't tell them Ifished a 16th because I didn't

(32:26):
want to freak them out.
So I skip the 16th when theygo, What do you like to do?
I said, quarter.
And they go, Oh, really thatlight?
And I'm like, buddy, I'mfishing a 16th sometimes because
I want it to just float likeperfectly calm down, and then
you're watching your braid justgo boom, and the fish is a lot

(32:47):
of guys don't even have theopportunity, which is why even
tog and stuff like that andsheep said, you know, bottom
sweeper and all these guys, likethat's why the lighter the
better.
When you talk to a lot of theseguys, they say if I could fish
a half ounce jig in this spot, Iwould smash him, but I've got
the currents picked up and Ijust can't do it now.

(33:09):
But if you can, you know, youit's it's a it's a different
technique, but I I think for allspecies I am on board light as
light as you can possibly castto feel comfortable that you're
not that you don't not feel,because a lot of people just
can't feel you know what say meor you were feeling.

(33:32):
So I also have noticed that.
I've been like, you didn't seethe line, and sometimes they're
not looking, sometimes they'redisinterested in looking.
So that guy might need to fisha whopper plopper.
So now I just redirect the guyto maybe you're not a neg a net
rig guy.
Let's get you casting andreeling a whopper plopper on the
scook, or or for walleyecasting a swim bait, and instead

(33:55):
of them playing with thebottom, I'll tell that customer
hit the bottom, crank it uponce, and then just go slow so
he can keep himself off of youknow, off of the bottom.
The guy that's hitting therocks and getting snagged is
catching more fish.

Right.

Stefanos - Sport Fishi (34:11):
Walleye.
We're talking straight walleye.

Right, right.

That guy's catching more fish in the
this time of year, I would say.

At least for yeah, it's kind of
it's kind of similar.
You know, people are saying ifyou're if you're not getting
snagged, you're not togging.
Right.
I mean, you gotta be in that,you gotta be in that zone where
you're gonna be hanging up alittle bit.

But yeah, and you know, this is the
slope.
That's where the time on thewater matters.
If you can hit them, if you getone bite and it's on the drop,
you don't you can now assume youdon't need to play the bottom
game tonight.
It's literally like that.
Like you could just assume thatone bite I caught my first
walleye in December or Januaryor February, best time,

(34:54):
February.
You catch one on the fall, youcan start reeling your paddle
tail.
It's like just like that.
I I I and it's not me.
This is like I've met a guythat says, dude, you need to
stop thinking and let the fishjust realize what was different
about the bite and let the fishtell you.
And it for a walleye, it's justlike that, or for a striper,

(35:18):
when you get that thump in acertain that certain drift where
you're next to a bridge andyou're you put a half ounce on
and it's that perfect sweep, andyou're getting thumped, and
then you put on a heavier one,and you miss that.
That's it's the same.
So for me, if they're noteating here, they're they're
always on the bottom.

(35:38):
So I like to play on thebottom.

Yeah.

With the walleye, I start there, and
I really won't go off of thatunless I get smashed on the way
down, and I'm like, there'ssomething that's going on.
They might be looking up rightnow, they might be feeding on
something.
So there's a lot of variants.
The moon does freak out walleyetoo.
So you get, I mean, I've hadgreat nights with like pitch

(36:02):
darkness.
So I've personally I knowpeople who crust fish on a full
moon.
Yeah, I am not a crustfish on afull moon guy, and I'll admit
it.
Like, I I'm not the guy.
I was out on a super moon.
No, that never worked for me.
No, I it's just I don't knowwhat it is.

So, you know, I don't know if
you've had good moon days or youknow, so look, salt water, I I
like the I like the new and thefull moons, not for the light,
but for the tidal flow.
But one of the things thatpeople have to keep in mind for
saltwater is it's the tidalflow.
So those moons bring more flow,which means your great spot is

(36:44):
probably, or not probably, butthere's a decent chance that the
spot that you picked because italways does well on the
outgoing, could be blown outbecause of the extra tidal flow.
You know, you get an extra footof water traveling out there.
So you got to move to the edgesof that spot now or find
something that has a little lessflow, a little bit of a current
break.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
That makes sense.

But I but I I do believe in the
whole salooner thing.

I mean, oh it's for oh it's real
thing.
Oh no, I yeah, I'm notdisregarding it's real, it's
super real.
I mean, hunters will tell likedeer act, everything is
different.
You know, we act differentduring full moons.
So I know there's somethinggoing on.
Personally, I haven't I haven'tfigured out like for for for
bass specifically, I haven'tfigured out it hasn't I've never

(37:32):
hit it the right way, but I'vedone really well nighttime
fishing when it is puredarkness.

So let's let's talk about
nighttime.
Because I I mentioned nighttimeto me, again, mostly salt
water.
That's that is the time that Ilike to fish the most.
Fresh water as well.
I actually do better fishing atnight, regardless.

(38:00):
What's your thought on that?
Is do you think that holdstrue?

I I'm uh I I think you could
catch them.
I think whatever time is yourwindow to fish, you could catch
fish.
That I know that's a broadthing, but whatever gets you,
whatever gets you like if youhave a family and people are
like, oh man, I don't have time,we could sit down and I can

(38:25):
carve out 30-minute window.
You could stop at the creek andget your fix.
Bend the rod.
You know, some people, that's awe also talk about this.
This, this, not this place, butfishing.
Fishing is a lot more than weare super passionate and we're
we get into it and we'recompetitive sometimes.
But I've had guys tell me likethis fishing is like save them.

(38:47):
This is very therapeutic forpeople.
So some people need, theyoverthink and they're like, I
can't just stop and fish becauseI don't have the time.
But you know, I'm a nighttimeguy because my schedule is just
it worked out that way.
And I also love, I love, yeah,that you know everybody says
you're never there.
I'm a nighttime guy.
I go for nighttime.

(39:08):
Yeah, so the I'm a nighttimefisherman in general.
I I've always liked to targetstriper at night.
I've caught some really bigfluke at night.
My brother's caught some tonsof tons of big fish at
nighttime.
So I like the I like night alsobecause it's just less busy.

Yeah.

So I mean, the the the freshwater,
I would say there's a time tolarge to largemouth and
smallmouth fish at night.
I would say salt waterprimarily.
I will very rarely, you willnever see me fishing unless
somebody invites me on this boatduring the day.
I'm almost never striperfishing a day.

(39:47):
Maybe once or twice during thefall, but I just would rather go
out and do it at night.

Yeah.

Pick out my fish.
Doesn't need I don't need to beon a blitz.
You know, everybody shouldexperience one of them.
Blitz is on the beach.
So I I've been blessed enoughto walk on the beach and it
rained hellfire with birds down,and you're like, oh my god,
this is what fall fishing isabout.
But everybody should experienceit.
But I just my piece is atnighttime.

(40:15):
So yeah.

So here's a here's a comment that
kind of goes up on that.

My my wife's on here.
I want to thank my wife becauseshe's the best.
And I could never fish.
I can never fish so much if Ididn't have a great wife.

Yeah, well, yeah, me too.
My wife actually tells me it'sabout time to just get on the
water.

Shout out.
Yeah.

unknown (40:33):
Yeah.

Where are you going?
Are you going to be late?
I said, honey, it's 10 p.m.
I'm leaving now.
What do you mean, late?
Am I going to be late?
It is late.

Yeah.

So yeah.

I always used to get the, you
know, I I go to I go to work andthen I'd bring the kayak and
I'd just go down afterwards.
And, you know, I'm hitting thewater at 11 at night, you know,
solo in a kayak.
And she's like, all right, I'llsee you tomorrow, I guess.

It's a pe it's a peace thing.
It's hard to understand, but itis a peace thing.
You're it's a hard, it's hardto think about much else when
you're on the beach or you're ona lake and it's like just
nothing, you know.
By the way, anybody who fishesfor largemouth and you just want
to and you've never tried to goat nighttime to a body of

(41:24):
water, a pond, a lake, theriver, you're gonna end up
catching a smally rather than alargemouth, let's say most
rivers around here.
But if you haven't triedthrowing a wake bait or a
topwater, a prop bait, you takeyour pick, name your flavor.
There's so many different ways.
But if you go and just throwsomething and you just kind of

(41:45):
dip out, close your eyes alittle bit and listen to the
sound and hear the smash that'sgonna happen, you will be
completely hooked to topwaterfishing at nighttime.

Uh it's a lot of people think like
it's topwater is not anighttime thing, but it's
actually hold on.
We gotta this is this has neverhappened.
I actually need to pull myselfoff camera for like two minutes.
I have I lost power in anoutlet, and now my laptop is
about dead.

You're losing power.
I'm gonna keep them working.
Can I keep this thing on, orwe're we're not allowed to
prohibit?

You stay right where you are.
I will be right back.

I'll engage some of these people
here.
I got some comments here.

Yeah, go ahead.
I'm just gonna pull myself off.
I will be right back.
He's coming back.
It's your show, man.
Start selling.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, dude, I don't got enough products.
Let me get some stuff.
Guys, I got to check it out.
There you go.
It's 1200 bucks.
I checked it out today.
I'll be right back.

There we go.
It'll drop your Scotty.
Hold on.
I do he's gonna like this.
He can drop his tuna baitsright on the tuna's head.
All right, Rich will be back.
He'll be back on here.
Let's see if we have anythingelse we need to answer.
You're very welcome.
Walley.
Pink zoom fluke will producePink Zoom Fluke should be should

(43:00):
be like the goat of goats.
Like the goat.
So the yeah, it is.
I'm with you.
So I think if if unfortunately,if I didn't have, you know,
lots of customers who want everyevery color, but then they grab

(43:20):
the right colors.
It's hard to keep track of allthese colors, guys.
It very much is.
Let's see.
Fell in love with nightfishing.
There we go.
T Swift.
What else we got going on here?
Jason.
Jason's on here.

(43:41):
Largemouth.
Let's talk some largemouth.
What do we want to talk about?
We want to talk about reservoirfishing.

Oh, he's back.
I'm back.
I told you to click.
Yeah.
I got it over here.

Let's see, green spec fluke.
Put me on my first everlargemouth.
My guy.
We got a largemouth guy inhere.
He's thought he said, What wegot never stayed?
Bro, like shit.

Yeah, I can put it up on the screen.

You're not straying away from
anything.
I would say the white has gotto be up there.
That's why I don't like theclassify.
There really is no favorite.
I'm a profile guy.
Nothing's really happened whileyou were going here, Rich.
Let me fill you in.
Nothing much.
We're just talking.
We're talking flukes.

Well, that's good.

I said I said pink zoom needs to
be the goat, and then we got awhite goat, but there is no,
it's a it should be the zoom,the zoom profile is the goat.

Yeah, and you know it's interesting.
You we had the a little bit ofthis conversation in the shop
before about you know, you haveto use this, you know, the no
live bait needed is the way togo, and it has to be this color.
Really, when it comes down toit, is you just need something
with some good action.
I personally go white first,right?
I also go pink.

(44:57):
100%.
But pink zooms are among thecheapest that you can get.
And they like I still have somefrom when my grandfather was
alive, and he died, I think, inlike 1996.
I still have some left overfrom him, and I still catch on
them.

And they're still just as soft.

They are.
Oh, oh, they're they'reperfect.
I have I'm down to the lastbag.
Yeah.

A lot of these got a lot of
plastosols changed, a lot ofplastics changed.
So I mean, I don't think Ireally I I feel it's happened
once or twice where like acolor, the color has like I've
been like my mind was just like,how?
How how is this working?

(45:40):
And this thing, which is soclose, isn't working.

But school bus.
That's how I am with schoolbus.

So it's wild, you know.
Like you could be next tosomebody and and I've like
handed my buddies' baits and sayI wasn't doing good or he was
doing better than me.
Like, we've you know, I wasfishing next to my buddy John.
We were where me and youcrappie fished that one time.
We went out.
I took him there, we're fishingthese jerk baits.

(46:08):
Same thing, same dots.
This is my guy.
Put the dots, he's smackingthem.
I said, dude, this is insane.
You know, he said, he said,what you want to take this one?
I said, John, I'll take thatright now and I'll catch one on
this cast.
And he takes it off.
I put it on, on.

(46:30):
And he said, You gotta bekidding me.
I said, Come on, dude.
I'm sitting here, I'm notcrazy.
He was trying to give me thewhole breakdown.
He said, Steph, don't don'treel so fast.
I said, John, don't give me alesson right now.
Where uh no way, give me thatlure.
But it's wild, like thathappens, it can happen.
And like then you start over.
That's when fishing starts toget like you're in your own head

(46:55):
when you don't need to be, butit happens naturally because how
can you not?
How can you not think, how'sthis guy sitting next to me
jigging for fluke?
I'm watching his hand, I'mwatching his, you know, he's
just doing this.
I'm doing the same thing, I'mnot catching him.
Yeah, that guy could have10-pound lighter braid.
But I never think it's a like Ithink it's always something

(47:18):
else.
I'm always a something elseguy.
I don't ever, you know, I thinkthere's a lot of variants that
happen, but color, I think, is anever-ending, like, we'll have
everybody on here, we'll have adifferent, you know, favorite
color.
And I think they should.
I never try to talk people outof colors.
Like, if somebody's like, my mypeople will tell you, I ask

(47:40):
people a lot, what are your whatare you what is your
confidence?
Like, hey, I'm picking out anew surf rod.
I say, well, what is yourconfidence?
Like, where would what are youconfident in?
And they look at me and I'mlike, Do you like throwing an SP
minnow or are you throwing abucktail?
That's the best question.
I think that's the onlyquestion.
Like, what is what do you whatdo you love?

(48:03):
Like, what's your technique?
Like, dude, I can't standthrowing a pencil popper because
my shoulder's dead at the endof the day.
I don't want to sit and youknow, I'm like, okay, well,
let's avoid that techniquecompletely, and we can get
something where you can sit andyou're not working your
shoulder.
So I'm a big, like, I'm a bigproponent in the tool.

(48:23):
Like, I cook a lot at home.
I the tools matter.
Like, if your confidence is insomething, you get your tool,
like, spend your money.
You know, I tell people all thetime, like, you don't need to
have expensive gear.
I a guy like me, just soeverybody's aware here, the the
margins are the same on a $20reel than they are on a bigger

(48:44):
when it stretches.
So for us, it's like we want, Iwant, I want you in the right
stuff.
So whatever your confidence is,you can do it with a $40 reel.
Yep.
Does it feel super awesome whenyou hold a twin power in your
hand and you're jigging forflounder?
I will tell you there is nobetter feeling.
But that's like you don't needit.
But you know, people I havethat debate all the time.

(49:06):
Like, I don't need it.
I say, well, I don't need Idon't need anything then.
I don't need a phone.
I don't, you know, stick me inan island somewhere, like we
were talking about beingcaveman, you know, throw me in
the woods.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (49:16):
There's a difference, right?
Like you may not need it, butthat doesn't mean you shouldn't
have it.

One way I I whatever your flavor
is, basically.

Yeah, I I go with the the the less
expensive stuff typically.
I will also stick with penreels whenever possible, just
because that's that's what I wasbrought up on.
That's what I like.
I absolutely love pen.
And you know, but that doesn'tmean that you know, my stratic
that I had for god, over adecade, that was my favorite
reel ever.

(49:44):
So my stratic.

That's the case right there.
I know.

I was looking at that case today.

That's the one.
Yeah, so but we are a littleShimano heavy in here.
We have a little little bias.

Yeah.
But you also had some nice pensright in front of you on that
table on the right.

Yes, there is the fathoms.

I was looking at the fathom
today.

I sold two squall right after you
left.
I had a buddy come in, heneeded a saltwater, a saltwater
baycaster for fluke.
Yeah.
So low profile, squall, fast.
Yeah, it's awesome.

Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's what I that's whatI have, is the squall 200.

Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not uh, you
know, I I I think that asking Ithat's why I try to just get
right into what do you like todo?
And then they could say, hey, Ihave a rod that does this.
Well, let's not get the samething, you know, unless, you
know, I'm big on that too.
Like, hey, your rod is so closeto that technique.

(50:41):
Have you thought let's go withlike for fluke?
The bottom fishing guy, like aparty boat guy, like even in my
couple years here, thetransition from a boat rod, like
a uh conventional, yeah, to thelow pro, you know, the low
profile reels, it's like youhave full control right here.

(51:04):
You know, the button, you'reyou're in a hole, you're like,
I'm down, I'm back.
You know, you have fullcontrol.
The the transition from littlerod light line lighter reels,
putting a rod that weighsnothing for a guy and saying,
yo, you can hang 10 ounces onthis thing.
And they're like, I got guyslike what I've bent rods in half

(51:26):
for dudes, and they're like,This is crazy.
I'm like, yeah, it's technologyis just you don't you no longer
need the meat stick.
The meat stick is awesome, butthe meat stick can now be super
sensitive, right?
And cost, like you don't needto go crazy.
I'll tell you right now, likethe jigging world line.
You know, we were kind of likein the beginning, I didn't want

(51:47):
to get into jigging world.
I met Mike, the owner, he's asuper nice guy, but he said,
listen, I I have the pricepoints.
And I was like, this makessense for me.
Like for me, it's simple.
I a hundred dollar rod for agood inshore saltwater rod that
you could catch potentially.
I've put like 40, 30 poundtarpon in Mexico on these rods.

(52:07):
I've put big striper on them, Iput bone fish on them, a small
fish.
It's sensitive enough to catcha bone fish with a bottom
sweeper on a on a on a sandybeach in Mexico, and then I was
on the other side catching atarpon with a paddle tail.

unknown (52:22):
Right.

The same rod for $100.
So you can do it, you don'tneed to go crazy.
But he provides the $100, andthen here, you want to treat
yourself, here's titanium, $300.
But the specs are all the same.
So somebody who doesn't want todrop that, like there's a rod
for everybody.
So I I try to, you know, keepit.

(52:42):
You know, we we unfortunately Ican't carry everything that's
down the street.
So, like, say there's dicks inWalmarts, you know, people will
come and ask me for ugly sticksand like tons of that type of
stuff.
Unfortunately for me, I I wouldactually like to carry ugly
sticks, but there's a 50,000 ofthem down the street.
So for it's tough for us to doeverything being a small shop.

(53:07):
So that's why we just try todial it in and and keep it to
what we know and what ourpeople, you know.
I can't possibly fish foreverything.
I wish, you know, I had to.

I I had I had to jump in and make
a comment on the ugly sticksbecause I hate them.
And and it's not so I own uglysticks actually, and I use them.
However, I hate them becausethey are the biggest reason that
people buy the wrong rods, andit's because they think so many
new people to fishing think themost important thing is that you

(53:40):
can't break it.

Yes.

You can break an ugly stick, but
what spot on it's tough to breakan ugly stick.
And the thing, the the the badthing about it is the action on
those rods is not ideal for thevast majority of fishing styles
that are out there.
Like you shouldn't be usingthese noodle ugly sticks when

(54:03):
you're fishing topwater, butpeople do because they can't
break it.
It's like, well, yeah, but youalso can't set the hook fast.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, there's too much travelin the tip of that rod.
And that's the only reason Ihate them.
So I love that you don't carrythem because it it doesn't make
sense for you to carry thembecause you're not dicks with
some guy who's never fishedsaying, yeah, it's on sale for
$30.

Well, listen, I I I get I get some
guys, so I try to I try to tendto as much as I can.
So I typically will bring incatfish models.
So a catfish model and it'ssold to the catfish guy, that
that thing's gonna fall down inthe river 19 times a night.
So I'm okay with it.
But I get exactly what you'resaying.

(54:45):
It's funny you said that, butactions on rods.
So when people stopped usingbait and they started to use a
jig for flounder, so when thetransition from by the way,
nothing's gonna ever beat alive, big old live killy on a on
a f on a slip, loosely swimmingin the backwater, yeah, like

(55:08):
it's a treat, a delicacy, thatit's never gonna fail.
We like to do it withthree-inch Z2s and Z-man little
jerk shads, and like I likeusing all types of stuff.
But uh when we went from baitto fishing a jig, it changed
completely the way that we alllooked at these rods.

(55:31):
Because now when you're doingthis and you have a stiffer rod
and it's a medium extra fast ormedium fast or a medium
moderate, that's when I'll tellyou, I'll tell you right now,
just a real quick backtrack.
From salt to fresh, when I gotdialed in fresh, it took the
whole salt thing to a wholeheightened level.

(55:53):
Yeah, so the freshwater peopleare overly dialed in.
Oh, I can't do it unless I havethis specific rod.
But when you take little piecesfrom all these guys who were
like ultra dialed, you're like,damn, he's actually like when
I'm snapping a fluke jig, I needit responding.
Yeah, so if you have a softrod, it is not moving, you're

(56:17):
shaking your line.
You're so so technicallyspeaking, you're moving your
teaser, you're vibrating yourteaser.

Yep.

So you you don't want it to re you
you need it to pick up line,and then when you need to set
it, it needs to go.
Um when you're bait fishing,though, so a lot of people, so
the ugly stick was the the guy,the minnow squid guy, yeah.
Which is not the problem withit, but that's the rod that you

(56:44):
need to say, Jay Jimmy, yourrod's been over and it's doubled
down, you know what I mean?

Yeah, like yeah, a lot of people like
what people don't realize isthey see, and you see this on
the water all the time, saltwater.
You look over and you seeeveryone doing the Skinner fast
jig.
But you're looking at the rodand you're like, the bait's not
moving.
If you've ever used if you'veever touched a Skinner dark
matter fluke rod, it is it isstiff at the tip, it is stiff

(57:12):
enough to to move thosethree-ounce bucktails that he's
using out in Long Island Sound.
I've been but people are doingit, people are jigging it and
it's like it's not moving, dude.

I've been told the brands that I
don't carry, I'm not allowed totalk negative about them, but I
don't carry dark matter either.

So well, for what for whatever,
but but the point is the reasonthat he's able to do that rapid
jigging is because the rod ismade for it, right?
Like it's when he's did whenhe's actually moving his wrist
like that, like this for peoplethat are watching, it's actually
moving the lure.
Yes, but if you take just mostrods don't do that.

(57:50):
So take the let's say you use aone-ounce bucktail normally.
I typically use a one ounce,three quarters or one ounce.
If you take it and you put itin the water and you do that,
and it's not moving, your armsmoving, but the the the thing's
not moving, you don't haveenough backbone, it's not strong
enough.

So you're just like you're you're
you're shaking slack, you'reshaking, you're just literally
your line vibrating, whichlisten, sometimes that might set
off of that, that might be howthey want it, but they don't
they're not meaning to do that,which it's not in in, you know,
it that wasn't the reason theywere trying, you know, to do
that thing.
There's a lot of a lot ofjigging world fans here.

(58:30):
Night Ranger, yeah.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad F (58:32):
There's Nexus.
Nexus.

I'm telling you, man, these guys,
they know what they're thoseguys know what they're doing.
I got a whole new line of rods,a Shogun.
I just placed an order today.
They'll be here, I believe, ina couple weeks.
But those rods for from ahundred price point up, and
that's another thing.
If anybody ever has, you know,when you're when they come in
here, obviously, it's mucheasier to see these rods.
Yeah, you know, you put themdown, you can kind of feel the

(58:58):
actions.
But some techniques, you needthe soft moderate for the for,
you know, that's another reasonI ask people, hey, are you gulp
guy or are you are you a baitguy?
Because a bait guy can fish amoderate.
You know, he can have that thatrod that just like loads over
and and allows the fish to justbe on.

(59:18):
It's the same guy that throwscrankbait in the smallmouth
world.
So when you're reeling in arattle trap or a crankbait and
it's and you're reeling and thatfish eats it, you're going this
way fast.
You know, you're going one wayand the fish is eating it going
the other way.
If that rod is not a moderate,the odds of you losing that fish

(59:43):
or them hooks now moving in thefish's mouth is very, very
likely.
So you need the rod to justtake the just to take it.

Right.

Same deal with striper.
You know, there's ideal rods,but you don't need to dial it in
that much for striper, like amedium heavy.
fast you can go to work likeyou know uh if you're on a boat
like they you know a couple guyssaid night ranger nexus like a
their two to six ounce rod Itell everybody like you can't

(01:00:14):
beat you can't beat that rod soyou can put a one ounce tog jig
on it and go catch a a 12 poundtog with it and then you can
also put a five ounce spook andthrow it for Boston School as
striper so I like diverse rods II like I think it makes it
easier for me to tell a customerlike dude it's not one thing

(01:00:36):
you know you could really do 15things with this rod if you
wanted to so when when I gotintroduced to the Jigging World
line for me it they made it veryeasy to say hey guys this is
the rods three price pointsthey're all badass rods so it's
like you can't lose if you wantto spend extra money on yourself

(01:00:58):
treat yourself if you don'tthis will do the job just as
good so I try I I do use those Iuse universal what I consider
universal but the the importantthing is I know what they can
and cannot do well.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishin (01:01:11):
So it like the the one rod that I
use the most that's not a customI know what the action is and
how if I'm going to fish forfluke I know what I can and
can't do and I adjust myapproach.
I know for striped bass what Ican and cannot throw and if I
insist on throwing it I knowthat I have to change
everything.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing O (01:01:32):
Yes.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (01:01:32):
Right?
So you can get you know you canget some diversity of species
on these rods if you know if youknow what you're doing and you
recognize it and you have toovercome that though.
It's now up to you because theequipment is made to do certain
things and if it's not going toand you still need it to do
those things you have to dothat.
And you and in a lot of casesyou can it can put extra strain

(01:01:54):
on you.
You know it I mean your elbowcould be crushed by the end of
the day or your shoulder if youknow it doesn't have the
backbone to toss it the way thatyou want yeah I want I want to
bring this question up.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Out (01:02:06):
By the way the magic tail insure
rod is unbelievable rod I fishedI fish two of them currently I
had those before Jigging Worldcame in.
So jigging world unfortunatelyreplaced some stuff but I am
bringing in some of Dante's rodsthis year again so you guys
will see some more magic tail inthe store.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fish (01:02:26):
Yeah I I want to check those out I'm
just gonna bring this this isactually a question for me but
from KB.
Size for a yak yeah so there'stwo things here there's what
kind of fishing are you going todo but I think what you're
asking is how long and I thinkactually Benji Crab and Fishing
answered it.
The number one considerationwhen you're fishing saltwater in

(01:02:48):
a kayak is how long does itneed to be to get around the bow
of your kayak.
So when a fish pulls you sideto side and you have a drive
system you don't want to hitthat drive system.
You want to be able to get theline deep and then around the
front so I don't fish Benji'sfish is a 73 minimum I fish
seven six minimum so I just findit's easier I can stay in the

(01:03:12):
seat and just shift forwardreach all the way out get it
around the that's a great tip Ididn't I didn't consider the
swing yeah we put up a coupletimes on a kayak for uh like
blue fish and stuff and it waswhat you're saying I actually
that's why I was an Uaha momentthat you just said that yeah and
more than what I was trying todo.
It can be rough I mean the thebiggest thing is the question is

(01:03:35):
for fluke.
Well you might not just catchfluke so you need to have
something that's going to hangup you know handle up to those
larger sharks that come in youknow you could have a five foot
shark you know brown shark onthat you can have a 36 inch
bluefish you can have a 40 inchstriped bass all in the same

(01:03:56):
areas you can have a 30 inchweak fish.
So something that can pull thatdrag and I have seen people try
to get around the front andthey blame it on the rod.
Well the rod broke because youallowed it to get hung and you
tried to swing it around thefront and the line got caught on
the front you know something upfront.

(01:04:17):
So that's the number one thingas far as the action I go with a
a moderate fast and a mediumheavy again medium heavy simply
because the brands that I usethat's the right weight there's
no standard but medium heavybecause I use it for multiple
things so I want to be able tocatch those stripers.

Yeah absolutely and and you uh you
said something about this is whymy rod broke or this is why I
lost the fish.
Yeah yeah I always wished I hadlike a little like like a
little recorder so when somebodycame in and said dude I lost
this fish and before he startedI could just click and if I

(01:04:58):
could just make a log of all thethings I don't I can't tell you
the last time and I've lostsome fish lots of fish but I
literally see this as that's anthat's this is a part of this
game that we're that we'replaying this is not a like we

(01:05:20):
are you're trying like if we getdown to the primitive time like
we're we're hunting this fishto take it out of the water.
Yeah it's a part of the processit's you might not ever know
why you lost that fish.
Maybe it just wasn't meant tobe that that fish was gonna come
home with you.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fi (01:05:37):
Right.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Ou (01:05:38):
You know like I have a I never
record stuff.
I have I use my friend's jetski I'm in the back of
brigantine ripping around a jetski like a maniac with a fluke
rod a cooler I I call it theprobably one of my biggest fluke
in the back bay in like sixfoot of water drifting where I
don't normally drift on a sandyold gulp which by the way come

(01:06:02):
get your gulp here it's cheaperthan down the shore um just
throwing it out there that's allright sandy old gulp teaser I
grab this fish I net him superexcited I never record I said
let me take my phone and stickit here stick it on the dash I
get the grippers by the waywon't ever do that again I get

(01:06:23):
the grippers and I go like thisand I and it goes straight in
the water and it would justgone.
Yeah I could have sat and saidI could have sat me grab these
grippers that I love actually soI sell hundreds of these you
know it happens that's what Iuse so I have I can't tell you

(01:06:44):
10 out of 10 customers will cometo the store and tell me I'll
never buy this again and they goand they'll spend $300 on a
grip because they somehow justcan't understand or fathom that
it just wasn't meant to be yeahthat fish that fish was going in
it yeah I'd rather I could havemy phone could you know that I

(01:07:07):
I really believe that you knowlike this stuff happens we lose
I've had I don't I don't carehow much here we lose fish you
know it happens we all do it andwhen it's not your fish it's
hilarious you know when somebodyelse when people saw the video
they were like why didn't youpost I said no I don't want to
post that yeah it's horrible itwas horrible I'm trying to look

(01:07:30):
at some of these comments Idon't know what some of these
are let's see yeah okay it'stough to read some of these from
the distance that I am no my mybuddy my I think somebody was
on here talking some largemouthstuff but I know you got a lot
of salty customers here.

Yeah well so we're actually even
over our hour.
I did want to ask you you knowyou've you fish all year and one
of the things that that you Imean you're you're fluke fishing
so I'll I'll just telleverybody when I'm talking to
anybody and I'm thinking aboutfluke fishing from shore you're
actually the first person I talkto because you've got it down

(01:08:12):
and you'll always be like didyou ever try this spot yeah and
it's like you don't tell me thespecific where to get well you
have but yeah I have you'reyou're in the circle there's a
circle there is a circle y'allyou got to shop here in it but
you'll you'll describe a spotand you know so fluke I'd like
to talk to you about fluke whenit's in season right like we
don't need to talk about flukeright now yeah no no yeah we can

(01:08:34):
but I like I was saying I thinkland-based fishing I've taken I
would say four or fivecustomers not personally but
like I've taken their fishingfrom land experience from last
two years previous let's call itthey've gotten two seasons to
like hey I'm actually putting inwhat you're saying I also don't

(01:08:57):
you know I I was never this wayI I talk to people like I learn
from everybody I I try to learnfishing is like never you can
learn a little technique fromsomebody who's doing the same
thing as you but just doingsomething different that that
you might not know.

So I'm a I'm a student some people
I will open the the the themaps and show them it all and I
say listen you just gotta put inthe you gotta go walk you got
to put in the time you gotta rowthe jig you got to feel it if
you're not feeling it it's let'stalk about what else is going

(01:09:34):
on is it the current the timeyou know write down some notes
you know make some notes make alogbook but land I I would say
when people figure it out thatthey could catch more I don't
want to say more keepers whenyou could catch your limit just
as good as a guy on a boat or akayak with confidence from foot

(01:09:57):
it changes the game yeah you canyou know say you can't take the
yak all day and and it's athing and you're like I only got
two hours you can dial it inlike that you could have a fluke
spot that's that dialed yeahand that takes time so that's
not something you can learn youknow I even if you made a how-to

(01:10:17):
and you showed somebody stillthey would still go to that spot
and they would not beproductive a day or two and they
wouldn't give it the time ofday that's it needs to be time
time spent on a spot even ifyour buddy is told you
everything about it you stillhave to feel the growing pains

(01:10:38):
you have to go do it I try totell people that all the time
like I can tell you where to gobud but I'm not helping you.

So so Steph, I've been with people
who said oh we're going to myspots today and we go to their
spots and they outfish me.
And I'm like I'm literallythree feet from you and they're
they're bailing the fish andthey're they're fishing it
differently you know and I Idon't know what they're doing
differently but they're doing itdifferently and vice versa I've
had that happen.
I've had that happen in atournament I was like well I

(01:11:07):
want to fish this spot and therewere five of us literally
within a couple feet of eachother and I was the only one
catching because they had neverbeen there.
You know and they were itlooked like we're literally
coming around this this thispoint in a line and I was not
the first and I was not the lastand I was catching I was
catching some fish.

So yeah I mean it it there is
something to that I before we goI do want to go back first door
hours we got tons yeah let'sagain so first of all let's
locking grips locking grips I dohave locking grips by the way
um those raplos lock yeah no Iknow well well they do but I

(01:11:46):
think he was talking about thisguy like the uh like the like uh
oh yeah yeah rippy this got alittle scale on there yeah
that's too highfalutin for meman i i agree i agree i i tend
to drop stuff in the water so ilike this one undersized rods
and oversized fish who doesn'tlove that situation wait so

(01:12:10):
listen you tell me you tell methis i'm gonna this is just a
quick story i try uh like iyou've seen me with customers
i'm trying to be as friendly aspossible you know i had some
somebody kept asking me i don'tdeem any questions silly but
after like three or four somesillies i typically will be like
well what you know i i ieventually will say like listen

(01:12:34):
where what are we what are wegetting here so i had a a young
man he kept asking me and thethe wrong questions and i said
simply listen let's backtrackask me some questions that's
gonna help you catch these fishthat you're trying he kept
saying well how big of a fishcan I catch with this rod right
how big of a fish can I catchand I said well you or me right

(01:13:00):
and then like somebody somebodybought one of my jokesters
that's always hanging out theshop couches I call them by the
way if anybody shops here wehave three four people they are
not employees so just becausethey're hanging out that doesn't
mean they work here they thethe the couch they're like the
couches in this in the store soone of this guy shoots out and

(01:13:22):
he was like you're such a I waslike I don't think that was that
mean I'm being serious like sothe question is whoever's
holding that rod if the uhsituation allows you once again
the situation allows you to landthis fish i've we've i've I
went to the back bay with likelittle smallmouth stuff on a

(01:13:43):
cinder worm bite where I couldnot get a striper they were
slurping one inch cinder wormsoff the surface like slurping i
this is where it helps to be acrazy person who has salt and
freshwater stuff in their truckso I ran to my truck and I get a

(01:14:04):
uh a 6'8 light action with 10pound line and like eight pound
fluoro and I and I get asmallmouth little tiny net rig
and I strip the net rig in halfand slice it so it's literally a
thin floating worm and I put atiny like 16th ounce jig head
wacky style yeah and I literallyfloated it into the lights and

(01:14:29):
it was like you gotta be kiddingme all right so that's it go
back you can you need to go backand watch watch the episode I
did with Skinner this summerbecause we talked about the
striped bass cinder worm and howto catch him and he has he has
an interesting tactic.

He thought it was easy to catch
him during cinder worm hatchesand I never could with the right
with the right gear.
He fishes them differently thanyou would think he's not
matching that hatch you got towatch it up something completely
different.
I like he does somethingcompletely different.
I will say this also you soldme about four years ago or maybe
three years ago a I went in andI said look I dropped a a uh a

(01:15:08):
combo overboard I need somethingreally inexpensive and you sold
me you're like this is reallycheap but you'll probably be
able to you know get by with ituntil you get your real rods and
I bought the Pen Squadron combothat you had it was like $39.
Yep right the rod I ended upcatching one of those butterfly

(01:15:30):
rays six feet across on a $39 itwas only 14 feet of water took
over 45 minutes to get up 14feet.
But it's to your point like ifyou know the gear and you know
how to do it you can do it.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outl (01:15:44):
I think situational like if
you're near a piling and youhave a big fish on that's what I
mean by like if the situationpresents that you can do it
you're on a open water if you'reopen water fishing the answer
to that question is like I saidmy growing up fishing was a
little different.
So like in my parents used tosend us to Greece.

(01:16:07):
It was cheaper than daycaresend me and my brother over
there my dad's family lives onthe water not not with a lot of
money but we had the ocean so wewere like we fished like
animals every day.
That's what we ate if we didn'tgo fishing we weren't snacking
you know we've caught octopus Iused to die for octopus and do
all types of stuff like that.
But my grandfather we'vehandlined big fish like I grew

(01:16:31):
up on a little whaler he wouldtake me out and we would like
we've had to throw big fishoverboard in storms thinking we
were going to die in the boat.
Because it was like a littlewhaler with a 40 and we're like
in the Mediterranean but we put60 and 80 pound tuna on the back
of his boat 100 pound on thehand lines.
Yeah so when guys talk tacklewhen they when people talk gear

(01:16:53):
failure it's a little tough forme because I'm like dude our
gear is unbelievable likecompared to what it used to be
like like literally we coulddrop a hand line back there and
I could put a like we could puta sailfish on the boat and this
isn't like I'm not a I'm notlike a like we could do this if
I wanted to take somebody fromthis chat and we could catch a

(01:17:14):
tuna on a hand line a a 60 pound50 60 it's not it's a technique
thing.
It's so it all is a techniquething.
Just like the line comes out ofthe barrel or the line's coming
off your spool whether it's tooloose or too tight is on the
captain of the vessel.
So it's like if your drag isn'tready when that fish goes and

(01:17:34):
takes off you know you've soit's always us I I'm I very
rarely blame my tackle but youcould catch huge fish with small
gear.

Rich Natoli - Fat Da (01:17:45):
Absolutely yeah and it is said you're
destroyed after how hard howmessed up was this when you were
done with that Ray I was I wasI wasn't done with the Ray I was
done with the day I was so Iwas done done done it it totally
played me out 14 feet of water.

Do you have tog rods we absolutely
have tog rods I got tog rodstog combos well okay why don't
you give the website one moretime yep so the website is well
hold on I think I think I gotRob Rob is actually in here
answering for people my guy justRob Zorn my guy the big bold

(01:18:23):
man he he's in the behind thescenes for me the front man so
he's back here he's respondingto all of you guys so this is
great.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishi (01:18:31):
But let's put it let's put it on
the audio so the the hours areMonday from 10 to 6.

Stefanos - Sport Fis (01:18:36):
Absolutely yep basically 10 to 6 is uh
Monday only so from eight to sixduring the week Fridays and
Saturdays we're here till eightSundays we're here till four so
sundays are a little uh shorterday those have been our hours
for a while it's very likely Icould do something different in
February but for right now we'reseven days a week call the

(01:19:00):
store if if you know if you'recoming from far away or if
you're not sure call the storejust to make sure but usually
somebody will be here on in youknow on our business hours also
on Google well if somebody typesin SportFission outlet it will
pop up right away.
What else so the website issfotackle.com like we said

(01:19:22):
earlier there's a fat dad codeso fatdad15 basically load the
cart fatdad15 at checkout you'regetting 15% off that order and
you're also gonna get like abonus they'll send you an email
after and like I said this iswe've we've had a bunch of
orders on it we're we're justtrying to like I was telling you

(01:19:44):
guys earlier this is acompetitive market so I never
really thought I was gonna beyou know pushing for online
sales but unfortunately this is2026 almost so we need to be in
the game so we are now in thegame so you can now shop your
goal A lot of people have alsobeen ordering on our website and
picking up.
So there's guys who have likecan't they can't spend an hour.

(01:20:07):
They already know what theyneed.
So when they get here, I got alittle baggie.
It's already ready to go.
There's guys that come on lunchbreak, they come in picking up
an order.
So you can actually order forpickup.
Any of these promos, I'll berunning promos on our social
stuff a lot moving forward.
But you guys for thisspecifically, we put the fat dad
code on the on the website.

So it is and just as a heads up,
I'm not making anything on thatguy.
So that's just what the yes,just to throw this out there.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outl (01:20:38):
I don't I don't pay any of the
guys who support us.
Let's say I give them love inthe store.
So like all of anybody who yousee ever tag our store.
I try, I mean, I mean, this isas organic as it gets.
I I'm a small shop.
I can't give somebody 20 grandto advertise for me.
Plus it's inorganic.
So it's I just don't, you know,I like people like, you know,

(01:21:03):
your viewers, you know, theythey they know you, they trust
you, which means they they'rethey're they at least know good
people.
So for me, for me, it's good tofind good people in the fishing
community.
So like I said, we we can't dowhat we do without all the
customers that come in in ourshop.
So I always avoided YouTube andmaking channels because I

(01:21:25):
always felt these customers comeinto our store, they should
really be getting the the thejuice, let's say, you know, all
the way squeezed.
So I never got into the let youknow the teaching and stuff
like that.
But we we are looking forwardto I think we just got our
YouTube channel up, so you'll beseeing some stuff in the store.

(01:21:47):
So we're starting to do justsome basic, you know, if
somebody has any questions andthey want to see a video, you
know, we'll be in touch for forthe next one of our little
podcasts here.

So that's coming soon.
So and and the last thingbefore we go, I'm gonna just
mention we were going to doanother tog trip for the
channel.
I'm not able to do that.
It's it's just not in the cardsthe way that the weekends are
working out.
And the good news is theweekend that we were going to do
it, January 9th to 11th, thattime frame, that's the

(01:22:21):
Philadelphia fishing show inOaks.
And you've got to when you goin there, I don't know if you're
in the same spot or not.

We are right there, right?
Okay.
So you walk first to entrance.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fis (01:22:32):
Yeah, you're gonna see Jim Hutchinson
Jr.
right in front of you with theFisherman magazine, and almost
right next to him, you're gonnasee eight booths together, and
that's that's sport fishing out.
That's yeah, that's whereyou're gonna see Stefanos and
all his guys with all of thestuff, the crew, yeah.
Swing look, it's a fun show togo to, but go in and say hi, and

(01:22:56):
you'll have those sameconversations that they have in
the shop there, and you'll getto meet a lot of people that are
in the region.
Now, this draws from a prettygood distance, but you'll be
able to meet other people in theregion that are fishing as
well, and you know, get somegood deals.

It's a it's a great show.
So the nine through the 11th,we'll have.
I don't know if you remember, Imean, I'm not sure if you made
it last year, but at the end ofour booth, there's a guy with a
line like a fighting station soyou could put on like tuna, you
want to catch a tuna.
I'll tell you right now, it isso freaky realistic.
The fish make runs just likethe real game fish.

(01:23:33):
They have like Grand Travaliand Jack Travali's on there, and
you can sit and fight a fish,but it's pretty cool.
I thought it was a little sillyat first, and I didn't realize
the line was like, you know, allthe way past our our booth
because we put it at the end ofour booth.
Yeah, so yeah, it's it's a goodshow, it's a lot of fun.
They move the date, so January9, 10, 11, and uh you can't miss

(01:23:56):
us.
So we're right when we ratewhen you walk in.
I'll be giving out coupons forthe store there.
For us, it's more marketing,and just to show some some some
you know, some of what we havehere.
You know, obviously I can'tbring the store, so you guys are
gonna have to stop by the shopif you have it.

It's worth going in.
It's just one of those placesyou just want to go.

And here, let me show them your
favorite hat.

Oh, yeah.

Your favorite hat.

Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing (01:24:21):
I should have bought it today.
Yeah, I'm buying that.

Come on, you I you I owe you a hat.

I'll I'll I'm gonna swing in this
week and buy it.

And my beautiful wife designed this
one.

Yeah.
Fan favorite.
The most popular one.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing (01:24:33):
That's the blue-eyed, the blue-eyed
gal hat.

Yeah.
Yeah, I I'm probably gonnaswing in tomorrow if I can get
time between meetings.
I mean, good the good news,everybody, for full disclosure,
it's only 10 minutes from myoffice.
So I can swing in whenever Iwant, and it's it's tough to
resist going in too often.
But yeah, I'm gonna swing.

We got everybody's we got
everybody's questions because Iuh Rob was answering.
You have Soltex reels in stock.
By the way, Soltex, if you're avan stall, I mean, if you're
looking for a van stall typereel, um, we let's talk Soltex
when you come here.
I know somebody Rob justanswered somebody and asked if
we had them.
We do have them.

Yeah, and if people have questions,
look, you you got their socials,you can reach out directly to
Stefanos.
You can reach out to me andI'll connect you with them.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, with the shop.

Stefanos - Sport Fishing (01:25:22):
Thank you guys.

Yeah, thanks for coming on.
Everyone, uh, it's cold outthere.
It's freaky.
But but the togg are biting.
The dogs, the toggly, thetoggle.

Like listen, guys, the fish don't
stop eating.
You know that.
We just we just don't want todeal with this, you know?

Yeah.
And we're gonna have on uh nextweek, we're gonna we're gonna
talk, we're gonna really diveinto the freshwater because one
of the things is it's cold andit's a whole different kind of
cold when you're on a boat inthe middle of the ocean in
winter.
Uh so some of us need to getour fix.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
And my upcoming gear.

I know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
You gotta get all the good stuff.

I was looking at the colour.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Clothing matters, guys.
Clothing matters.

It does, but you can also get that
fix uh freshwater.
So Matusin's gonna come on.
We're gonna talk some uh wintertrout fishing.

Yes.

And uh we we are definitely gonna
dive into that.
Of course, you guys know ChrisMatussa.
If you want to talk strikebass, he's he'll be he'll be
game for that too.
So that's next week.
Then I don't know what we'regonna do around the holidays.

I'm gonna get I'm gonna get with
him and we're gonna go targetsome some big trout with fly
baits because I know he's gonnabe into that.

Yeah, well, maybe he'll be calling
you when he calls me next timehe comes up.

He's gonna.
Harry Nepp started SFO longtime ago.
Greatest toward Harry Neff.
See, they know Harry.
Harry's the legend, y'all.

Yeah, he is.
All right, guys, everyone, getout there on the water this
week.
It's cold, but uh, you gotta doit, and let's talk about it
next week when Chris is on.
Until then, get out there, geton the water and get some tight
lines.

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