June 10, 2024 • 47 mins
In Part 2 of this 2-part episode, Dave, Jon, and Ben continue their conversation all about personalities. Ben shares a website that compares personalities to astrological signs. They also talk about common personality type labels we all give people and which one relates most to them. Finally, Ben takes Dave and Jon through a speed round of personality questions that highlights how different Dave and Jon actually are (despite being best friends). It's another great episode!
Here is the websites used in this episode that compares personalities to astrological signs:
https://www.elitedaily.com/lifestyle/myers-briggs-zodiac-personality-types
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Hey, welcome back. We hope you enjoy listening to part two of this episode.
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So here's another thing, guys. I think I mentioned this before. I had a psychology professor
one time that listed a cluster of words and had us pick which cluster most fit us, right?
And then it was one of those overhead projector, you know, and then put an overlay on top of
it that now once we had all like picked our thing, it said all the astrology signs.
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And he said, he said like 80% of the time, people get it right.
No way. And he's like, that's higher than a lot of
personality tests. No way.
And he said he's not trying to diss personality tests or elevate astrology. I mean, I don't
think he was a believer in that kind of stuff. But he says that like, you know, the way we
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see ourselves can reflect back on what we've been told about ourselves.
So you know, if you look at you look at an astrology thing, and you always look for your
one, right? Yeah.
And you read it and you pick the pieces that you can relate to, maybe not all of it, but
there's at least some parts of it that you can kind of relate to. And over the years
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of reading those kinds of things, you start to think of yourself that way. Like you start
to, you know, for some people at least, you know, and like I said, like 80% of the people
pick this cluster of adjectives that fit them to be their astrology thing.
So I was curious to see what about this kind, you know, these different like what is an
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INFP? Is it going to say for I'm a Gemini? So is it going to say Gemini? You know, all
right. So this is one website, okay. That is guessing what you are based on your horoscope
sign or whatever. Yeah. And so Dave, you are an Aquarius, right?
Yep. I'm not INTP though. And it's guessing. Yeah. It says, you are a deep thinker Aquarius.
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You love solving problems and are quite original in your thoughts and ideas. INTP seem to match
your personality the most. Like you, INTPs are more interested in ideas and tend to be
analytical. Both of you enjoy the abstract and theoretical more. Do you agree with any
of that? I mean, a little. Okay. Now what are you actually
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then you are? ENFJ.
ENFJ. So they would guess you're a Sagittarius. Yeah. A month off of there. And it says Sagittarius
is fun, loving and adventurous. They make great teachers and coaches because they have
the ability to motivate others. It makes sense that Sagittarians are most likely to be ENFJs
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because both are thought to be responsive and highly attuned to the motivation of others.
Both tend to sensationalize and provide inspiring leadership.
I like it. I think that's a better fit.
Yeah. Better than Aquarius one. It's a month off, but it's actually two signs
off. Yeah. Because you're on the cusp, right? Right
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on the edge. Yeah.
What about you, John? What is ISTJ? Is that right?
Yep. Okay. So they think you should be a Taurus.
Taurus is your best traits are reliability, patience and practicality. That is why you
are most likely to be an ISTJ who earns success by being extremely dependable and thorough.
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Like you, ISTJs are very pragmatic and responsible. They like to do steady work without any interruptions.
Like the bull, ISTJs also value loyalty over everything else.
That's super accurate. Dude, you should have been a Taurus. What
is your actual sign? Capricorn.
Capricorn. All right. Let's read this one. It says you are serious, disciplined and ambitious.
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Capricorn, you are very driven by your bulls, just like INTJs. Like Capricorn's, INTJs have
high standards for themselves and others. Both exude an aura of competence and can be
very independent. Both are said to have very rational minds. I actually think that one
fits you too. Yeah.
Yeah. The first one is way more accurate, but
this one I could definitely see as much. This isn't too far off. It's just that one letter,
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right? Yep.
And that was one, well, that one you were at 78% or something, right? So that's actually
one that is not, yeah, you were strong in the S.
But this isn't too far off. You're right, I think. All right. Let me look up mine. I
am a Gemini. So I'll look up that first. All right. For Gemini, it says ESFP. You are known
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for your excellent communication skills, Gemini. So it won't be surprising to discover you
are an ESFP according to Myers-Briggs. ESFPs also possess the gift of gab and are extremely
outgoing. They are lovers of life and enjoy bringing fun to somber institutions such as
the workplace. Both Gemini's and ESFPs are adaptable and do well with new people and
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unfamiliar environments. What do you think, Ben? Some of that.
It's a little bit, you know, but I don't know. So yeah, I am like the opposite in the first
two and the second two are the same for me. That's true. So perhaps. So let's check out
the other one. Myers-Briggs thinks I am. INFP. Pisces. It says friendly, compassionate, and
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selfless. Pisces matches INFPs the most. Like Pisces, INFPs can be dreamy and imaginative.
Most of these personalities are also very idealistic and introverts. Pisces is an immutable
sign which gives them their legendary flexible natures. Similarly, INFPs are also known for
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their adaptability and acceptance of all. Is that a bit more?
I think maybe a little bit. Maybe. I don't know that I'm super imaginative, but I don't
know. So they have signs like 0 for 3. Yeah. So yeah, I don't think. And the funny thing
is though, is that you go to a different website and they will show different signs for the
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same, you know what I mean? Different personalities for different signs.
Yep. Yep. And so like on this other website, let's see, INFP is, and this time it says
Aquarius, you know? And so I think that's the thing about astrology is you can read
it in so many different ways that it's like, yeah, you can kind of match with almost anything.
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That's true. But I don't know. I mean, not to diss anybody
that loves those things, but it didn't quite match from the websites I looked at anyway.
Yeah. I looked at three different websites and each one put me at a different place,
a different sign. A different sign.
So now super accurate study of the science of astrology.
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Yeah. Those types of personalities that we describe
aren't necessarily the stereotypical ways that we envision someone's personality, like
how we describe them. Yeah.
And here are some famous descriptions of ways people describe personalities.
Okay. All right. So yeah, like Ben was saying, so like,
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socially, there's definitely different ways you can be looked upon. Either you're going
to be the life of the party, so you're outgoing, energetic, loves to be the center of attention.
That kind of brings up Ben's first hypothetical scenario, with the surprise party when they
invite everybody and I just kind of go and duck away. So the butterfly, the friendly,
enjoys socializing in large groups, makes friends easily. That was kind of where Dave
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was going with that. Or the wallflower, the shy, introverted, prefers smaller gatherings
or one-on-one interactions. Where do you think you fall in? I know we kind of talked about
it, but where do you think you can fall in on that one? Which you had to categorize yourself
with one of those three. I love having fun at a party, man. I like
to be the life of the party and social butterfly. I mean, the wallflower part that made me uncomfortable
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is the one-on-one interactions. I am not great at one-on-one. Even with good, close friends,
I like to have a group, usually. I'm the opposite, probably. I'm probably more
the wallflower, but I do have times when I'm more of a social butterfly. The one I don't
really connect with is I really don't like to be the center of the attention. Even when
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I do enjoy socializing and being in large groups, I still try not to make myself the
center of the attention. I don't know. I'm not good at it. When I start to feel all eyes
on me, that's when I lock up and put my foot in my mouth or something.
It's interesting because I don't really do large gatherings with people that I don't
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know. If I'm in a large gathering, I know the majority of the people. Usually every
year my sister has a birthday party around this time. She does a crawfish boil and they
celebrate her and her husband's birthday all together. I invite tons and tons of friends.
My brother-in-law's family, who I know, they're awesome. Then it's a lot of people that I
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used to work with at the restaurant. Then there are a few new people here and there
that I don't know that I've talked to. Normally when I am in a group setting, socially, it's
with people I already know. The more that group expands, the more wallflower-y I become.
I don't like being the center of attention just to be the center of attention. I like
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getting a crowd to laugh. I love that. When that happens, it's one of my favorite things.
If it's rolling and everyone's laughing and I can keep it going, it's like, I love it.
It's so fun.
Yeah. I can totally see that in you, Dave.
You're like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber when he's hosting the Frames.
Yeah. Hold a hole and lean back, light my fart on fire. Yep. Yep.
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Throw up the peanuts on fire.
Yeah.
That's interesting. Then you go the other way. Even if something, if I am the center
of attention, like Ben's scenario, and it was a surprise party for me, I don't want
to be that guy. I don't want to be the center of attention because I'm nothing special.
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It's just like, I don't feel like I deserve to be the center of attention or anything.
So that's why I prefer the more flowery type, I guess.
I'm sorry, dude. You do deserve it, man. So you're going to have to deal with it these
times. So once in a while.
That's right. Especially when we get huge from this podcast and you're going to be interviewed
on live TV. No, I don't know.
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Okay. So that's social. What about at work? Where do you feel yourself at work? These
aren't all of the categories you possibly would be at work. Sometimes when we have a
job we can minimize what type of personalities complain to an employee. So yours might not
be on here, but what do you most closely relate to? So there's the workaholic. Are you driven,
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ambitious? Are you put work before your personal life? Are you the slacker where you're unmotivated,
avoids work when it's possible, like down at the CW? Are you the micromanager where
you need to control every aspect of a task because you shouldn't trust others to do that,
which is funny because my whole personality talks a lot about that. I just don't trust
other people to get my job done. Are you the yes man, no man, yes woman, no woman, where
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you would read everything because you can't think for yourself. So I know those are kind
of middle of the road. What do you guys think you most closely follow into on there?
Yeah, it's funny, but I think I would probably lean most towards the yes man, unfortunately,
because I like being on the good side of people in general. And I like being positive about
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things. I don't like the lacking independent thought because I think I solve problems and
be creative and whatever else. But yeah, especially when it's like, can you get this done? I also
want to be the one that can cancel the problem or whatever. So that's probably the one I
would say. I probably say the same. I mean, the thing is, it's interesting that we have
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all these phrases for negative things. What is a phrase for positive? Someone who's solid,
who gets the job done. But I'm not that driven. I mean, I like to say I'm more of the hard
worker, like the workaholic, but I don't put work before my personal life. I mean, if I
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have to get the job done and they're counting on me, then yes, I will up the ante and work
hard. But I definitely don't think that fits me. Same thing with the other ones. In a sense,
there might be a piece of it that I could maybe agree with a little bit. I'm not a slacker,
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but I'm not driven either. And so it's kind of in the middle there. I wouldn't say I'm
super motivated other than just I want to get the job done, but I'm not wanting to go
up the corporate ladder. You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
And so in that sense, people that are workaholics might call me a slacker. A micromanager, again,
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that's definitely not me. That's probably the least one that's me, I think. I can't
even see a piece of it that's me, really. But the yes, man, I think maybe that's the
other thing is I am a kind of an agreeable person. If this is what they want to do, I'll
do it. I'm not going to argue with them about it. I'll just try to get it done. But as far
as saying, when I think of a yes, man, I think of someone who's just fawning over somebody.
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Oh yeah, that's wonderful idea, even if I think it's stupid. And I don't think I'm that.
Same. No, that's true. Yeah, I'm not going to just say yes because I want to be a brown
noser or something like that. No, exactly. Yeah. And that's the thing. And so every one
of these, it was hard for me to say I'm any of them, but maybe the yes, man might be the
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closest, I guess. Yeah, with a hard worker. Yep. Same. So it's funny because if you put
the workaholics, the micromanager and the yes, man together, if you're looking for a positive
description, you could do your employee of the month type. Yeah. And that's kind of put
all three of those get you as the employee of the month. Yeah. Negative, positive, I
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guess, in this scenario. If I were to be honest with myself on the workaholic, when I'm working
and it's something that I like to do, when I'm good at, I'll go and work off the clock
if I have to get my job done. And not being married anymore, I'll definitely be, forgo
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other things in my life to get the job done. So I definitely fall into that category. Like
when I was a waiter, man, I've lived with that pressure. I truly did. And then come
every quarter, we did like a GSM, a general staff meeting, and I just clean up on the
awards. And at the time they were all gift cards. So I was good with that. And I got
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to the point where I'm going to shoot my own woman for a second to where by being the workaholic,
I got an award that's never been given out before by our corporate office, because of
people like calling in telling me, you know, telling my corporate office, I was such a
good waiter. And yeah, so things so that I guess that falls into the ambitious. I could
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also be the micromanager. Like I said, my personality descriptions talk about that a
lot, like in group projects, where you just kind of take over because you don't trust
the other dumb-dumbs to do the job right. I definitely, I've seen it. I don't think
I'm a yes man. You know, if I, I'll be honest in my assessments, I think something's not
going to work, especially if it's like a new procedure or something like that. I'm actually,
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I play, I'm the more of a devil's advocate. I'm like, everything will work together. So
something like that.
Go Poles. Yeah.
Yeah. So I think the workaholic, I'm not a micromanager. Not great titles to have, but
I think if I'm being honest with myself, that's why I'm here.
Well John, thank you for coming to this interview. You're hired.
All right. So this one, just your basic general temperament, right? So your day to day temperament,
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you know, that usually takes a lot of work and honing. So you've got your, you know,
obviously guys, there's more than just these four, but you got your hothead, you know,
it gets angry very easily, struggles to control their emotions. They're like the Hulk, right?
You got your easy going, doesn't get stressed easily, goes with the flow. I feel like I
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don't want to be the sad one of these. But pessimists always expects the worst. See the
negative side of things. I think I'm going to play my hand early. I'm not a fast category.
The optimist always sees the bright side and believes that they're going to find the best
outcome for things. Ben, let's start with you. Where do you feel you fall into at least
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those four categories?
Yeah, this is another one. I don't feel like I fit perfectly, but here's the thing. So
like, I get stressed, but it's mostly about like, I'm on hard on myself. Right. So in
that sense, I'm kind of a pessimist on myself. But like when life happens, I am, I tend to
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be able to go with the flow with it, you know? And so I'm not like, so if something for instance,
bad happens at work, I'm probably one of the easier going people about it to be like, eh,
we'll just, we'll deal with it, you know, like, and move on. I try to be that way. And I think
I am better than many, at least, you know, not the best, but I think I tend to be more
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easygoing, I guess. But if I'm being honest, I, it doesn't, I mean, I still get stressed.
I just stress about my own abilities, you know, I stress about possibly myself messing
up, you know, or letting people down, you know,
real quick, let's take this outside of the work. Let's say this, forget work. Let's start
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with your daily life. You still feel that everything you just said applies?
I still say it applies, you know, like in my life, I stress about, you know, whether
I'm being the best dad I can be, you know, or things like that. I think I can be a little
critical of myself. I'm not like, I don't want to over overplay that. I mean, I'm still
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generally probably pretty easygoing about things. And I don't, I'm not like the total
worst pessimist in that, in that sense, but I'm not as easygoing as it might come across.
Do you know what I mean? When I'm describing, I'm not perfectly an easygoing guy, but I
think in general, I try to be.
Keep watching your bluey. You'll get there.
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All right. I have some, what about you, Dave?
Yeah, definitely. I would say easygoing is a strong for me. I like going with the flow,
you know, I enjoy doing whatever people want to do. Like that's, that's part of that yes
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man thing. It's, and it's funny because I know I like, if I was by myself, I know what
I want to go eat. If I'm by myself, I can pick a movie I want to watch. But when I'm
with other people, like I truly honestly enjoy doing the things that they would want to do.
Like almost always, I'll be honest if it's like, no, I don't want, I don't want raw fish
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or whatever. I don't want sushi. I don't want, you know, there's certain things where I'll
be like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to have to pass because I really don't like it. But I'm
like, I'm open that way that I like to, to go with the flow for sure. And I'm also optimistic.
So I think, I think I'm kind of both of those.
Yeah. I was thinking of that for you too, dude. I think I was thinking you're definitely
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have an optimist side of you for sure.
Yeah. I think the, the go with the flow part for you, easy going, definitely this. Yeah.
Just, just trying to kind of remember back in our childhood, I feel like you never chose
anything we did or played or whatever. I think it was always, John, what do you want to do
whatever decision that we did it? It was like, let's go ride skateboards. Okay.
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And that's why you guys get along.
Yeah, man.
You do what I say. That's exactly right.
That's what he said. But I definitely thought that one for you for sure. You've always been
a very go with the flow kind of guy as far as I can.
What about you, John?
I think for me, I'm probably the Hulk at times. Like, yeah, if we're just trying to be honest
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with ourselves and trying to make ourselves better people, I'm the Hulk. I mean, I don't,
I get angry easily. It's more of a like daily life situational things. Like, you know, somebody
stealing all four of my tires. I definitely struggled when that happened a few weeks ago.
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I don't know if you heard about that then, but somebody stole all four of my tires, guys.
Oh man.
Yeah. It was a nightmare and everything finally got finished up and fixed two days ago.
So that's finally all done behind me. But yeah, I think a lot of the struggles control emotions
and maybe it's not bad. I think I'm going to combine a couple of these as well like you guys
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did. I'm going to take a little bit of a hot head from gets angry easily. That's just situational
stuff. The easy going part, I do get stressed easily because apart from my body, I demand
perfection for myself on just about everything that I do. And when it doesn't go that way,
it makes it a little bit harder. So I would like it to say I'm optimist, but man, I don't really
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think I am. I think I'm more of a pessimist, but I think that being a pessimist or a realist,
if you will, if you want to slide that in there instead of pessimists, I think a realist would
probably be better. I try to keep things level headed and on key is what is attainable in my
life and things like that. So as far as that goes, I'm kind of a mix.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that, John, for sure.
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You know, John, I would say that on the positive side, I mean, there's definitely some negative
connotations. You have to watch yourself if you get angry easily. But one of the positive things
about anger is that you don't go with the flow when you shouldn't. And so getting frustrated
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with something that's wrong is what's going to fuel your energy to fix the problem. And so you
may be someone that actually is, you know, you can rely on to fix things that are wrong instead of
just going with the flow with it, you know? And so there's a place for going with the flow.
There's nothing we can do about it. Well, why work yourself up about it? But when there is something
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you can do about it, that's when you really need someone that has a fire in them to say,
hey, this isn't right, you know? And I want to stand up and say that, you know? And so I appreciate
that side of you too, though. You know what I mean? Because I think there's a need for it, man.
Yeah, man. Dr. Bennett, drop them truth bombs. I'm very nice.
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Okay, so this is the one that I see the biggest difference with me, dude.
And this is something I've noticed from an early age, like I really did from my visits at 700
Prospect Street. Organizationally, in your life, how do you spare? Are you the leaf drinker who's
highly organized, dislikes clutter, needs everything in its place? Are you the pamphlet who
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forwards belongings, and puts everything away? Or kind of a free spirit? Where you're just organized,
spontaneous, goes with the flow, sometimes to a fault, but you kind of still know where things
are in your, that's how you're organized chaos. Yeah, you know, it's all like on a spectrum, man.
I think I am definitely that free spirit goes with the flow, spontaneous. But I do, maybe I've
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developed it more since we were kids. I do like things to be somewhat, you know, clean and
organized. I'm just not OCD about it. And, you know, our house growing up was a lived in house,
for sure. It was like, and that's where everyone came. And I think everyone, for the most part,
felt comfortable unless they were like, you know, and so that's what, that's what I loved about it.
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But yeah, very, very different. And we figured that out. The second you walk in your door and
you have that little cubby hole of like jackets and boots and someone on the left hand side.
This lady is dumb. Yeah, man. It's good stuff. All right. What about you, Ben?
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I am probably more of the pack rat. I have sentimentality for some things that remind me
of my past, remind me of people that I love and stuff like that. So I have like little like
letters that people wrote to me when I was from 25 years ago or something like that, you know,
that I just hang on to because man, it just, I mean, it's not like I look at them all the time,
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but every once in a while I go through my pile of mess and be like, oh yeah, that totally reminds
me of that friend from back in the day. You know, like, I wonder what's going on with them,
you know, or just, I don't know, a little, I don't even know how to describe it. Just little
knickknacks and things that I've picked up over the years and stuff. I wish I had all the toys that I
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grew up with. There's a part of me that would love to have, you know, a little shelf that just had a
few of my favorite toys or something like that. It just would bring back memories. It just,
the emotion that it brings to me is a positive one. I mean, it's not that I don't ever throw
anything away. I'm not that extreme. We're not going to catch you on an episode of Forge, right?
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No, it's not that bad really. And it helps that I have a wife that keeps me in check a little bit.
You know, she's not that much that way, but I definitely, if I let myself, I could let things
get cluttered too much because I do, I struggle to be like, man, what if, I'm one of those guys that
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like, oh, what's this cord go to? I don't even remember, but maybe someday I'm going to remember
and need it. Like, where's that freaking cord? And now I know what it goes to and I can't find it.
I've been there before, so I hate it. Yeah, it's funny you say that because when I moved out in
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October, when I moved to my new apartment, I was going through some of my electric cords and things
like that. And I still have my red, white, and yellow from like the old school Nintendo kind of
thing. Well, I had like an old camcorder. I'm like, oh man, I want to watch this old home video and
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I don't know where the cord is. And it costs like 60 bucks to get a new power cord for it. I'm like,
dang it. And so like it scarred me. And now I'm one of those people that have like three huge
cardboard boxes full of random cords to go through in the garage. You're going to be a hero one day
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when you have one of those cords that you need. I got it. Yes. You're going to come in there to that
cherry. Then it'll be chewed through by a raccoon or something. I'm like, oops.
That's awesome. Yeah. So I think it's very fair and paired through these almost 20 episodes we've
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done so far, 22 that we've done so far. I'm definitely A on that. I'm a neat freak. I think
that my life just runs better when I'm organized and I know where everything is. I hate clutter.
You guys can see my apartment here. It's just me, but everything here is spotless.
It's just, I don't know. I was always been that way. My parents would probably disagree
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when I was a kid. That probably wasn't very true, but in my adulthood, I would definitely
always been. I just feel like things run so much smoother when I'm neat and organized.
Yeah. I admire it. It's good, man. I think it's interesting though that
Ben, you mentioned about people that have written back to you. You got letters, 25 years old. That's
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pretty dang impressive to be honest. Yeah, it's cool. I think that the days becoming more organized,
I'm not going to say highly organized because I don't know how much has changed over the years,
but I'm pretty sure Cathy probably had a lot to do. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Which is awesome.
I think though I do have some fact-rightness towards me as well because I still have from my
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mission, I still have every single one of my weekly schedules. I have every letter that I wrote home
and that my parents wrote to me. I still have my Eagle Scout stuff, the whole whole bag. I still
got all that. I still got those little blue cards. If you remember President Clark, Damian's dad,
if he wrote those little blue cards, he goes, give you little inspirational notes. I still got a
couple of those. You are a winner, dude. Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. I was like, I have some
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things like that, but obviously they're all stored away in bins or whatever, but I still have them.
I don't know why I can't get rid of them. I obviously don't get them for anything, but
it is what it is. Well, one of these days, John, you're going to scan each one of them and organize
them into some file system and share it with your grandkids. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I probably
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should do that actually. Yeah, I value that nostalgia too, for sure. It does bring back good
memories. I can resonate with that too. It's crazy. On a very rare occasion, maybe when I'm
moving, I'll go back and look at this box and it'll be my missionary box. It'll show letters
to my past from the MTC. We were the worst district ever in MTC history.
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I want to ask you a question just in general. If you look at who you were maybe when you were,
say, I don't know, 18 or pick an age, that doesn't really matter, and who you are now,
what's an area in your life, personality, or just the way you've developed, maybe just growth,
maybe, I don't know, but how would people see you as different now than the way you were?
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I'd have to say, well, this is something that comes with growing up or working. My work ethic,
obviously, I think is one huge area that people could clearly point to. But apart from that,
personality wise, probably my reliability, I think has definitely changed over the years.
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It's funny because, and I wasn't like this growing up, I was a little bit more of a
kid, but I'll do what people need me to do no matter how much it affects me without letting
them know. When I was a supervisor at one of my jobs, somebody came to me and said, hey,
they were struggling. Even if I didn't have the money to help them, I'd find a way to help them
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with money. Even if it wasn't an expense to me, it's, you know, I'm not going to be able to do
money. Even if it wasn't an expense to me, I think that reliability, that dependability
have definitely increased over the last couple decades for sure. What about you guys? That's
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a great question to ask. What about you, Dave? Well, the one we just mentioned a little bit
ago, I have gotten more organized and more clean. That definitely was influenced and
helped by my wife who was raised in a very, very clean, very organized house. So that helps.
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I think too that I was so different at school than I was at church. I was a very different
person it seemed like. And so I've become more of the same in different situations, if that makes
sense, more unified in my personality and way I go about things. What about you, Ben?
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One thing that I don't know that other people see it as much, because it's such an internal thing,
but I used to be too much of a perfectionist. I would freeze up and not be able to move forward
because I didn't feel like things were right. And I still have a bit of that in me, but I've been
able, like over the years I've grown and been able to just like, been able to just let things go and
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be like, that's good enough. That's good enough. I'm not going to like not do anything. I'm going
to do my best and call it good. You know what I mean? And that was a struggle for me when I was
young. Like, oh man, even in middle school, I'd have to write a paper or something like that. And
take me like so long when it wasn't that big of a thing. Why can't I just write it down and
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like, you know, just BS it almost, you know what I mean? And I would stress about it. I had to be
right. I had to be accurate. I had to sound, not sound weird and stuff. And I just would pick it
apart so much. And now I'm like, eh, you know, I mean, I still try to do my best if I'm writing
something or trying to say something, but I stress less over myself and I don't, and I stress less
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about how other people view me. Whereas at one point in time, especially I would, it would be
disabling as far as worrying about how other people view me or how this comes across. And so
that's, I think one area where I think I've grown somewhat at least, you know, I think I'm still
kind of the overall same personality, but I'm a lot of, I learned to be a lot easier on myself.
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I guess you could say. I think that for those ever listen, I hope everybody takes something away
from what Ben just said. It's something that in my life I wish I could do because I too feel like
I'm the perfectionist. That, and it's so dumb on some of the things like I'm a perfectionist making
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sure I back into my parking spot the right way. I'm perfectly emailing my lines and this and that,
whether I'm writing something, my penmanship has to be perfect. My dad, I can tell like without
just scribbling stuff down, I write like my mom and I can see her exact handwriting in mine.
My dad, however, is amadextrous and he can write equally his printer like with either hand.
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That's a norm. But I can write like him as well. And when I have to write things that are presented
to other people, not amadextrous, but my penmanship is actually really good. And, but there are times
when I'm trying, if I'm trying to present something to other people or something that needs to be seen
by people, that I will, even if I get down to the bottom of the page, if I make one mistake,
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I'll rewrite the entire thing. And so there are not every aspect, but there are parts of my life
where I do try to be a perfectionist. And I think at some point, all of us have at least a little
something we try to do perfectly here and there, or something that we're just really, really good at
that we just want to be best at. But the one thing that you said, Ben, is something I wish I could do
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and that's just to let it go. Let it roll off my back. And people at home listening, if you're in,
I think that is one of the biggest growth characteristic traits that you could have is to learn how to let
things roll. I don't have that ability. I wish I did. I wish I could be better at that, but to be able to
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let things roll off your back, I think those people are happier in life. I think they don't
get bogged down as much with the stress of certain issues or, you know, events that are happening in
their personal life. And it's weird, you know, I preach this to other people, especially my buddy.
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I tell him all the time, I say, look man, somebody cuts him off traffic. I say, just let it go dude,
we're not in a rush. We're not trying to get there. We've got nowhere to be. We've got plenty of time,
that kind of scenario, but he doesn't know how to let things roll. People that do,
who really don't know how to let it roll, I'm envious of that. I think that's a great
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characteristic to have. That's a great growth trait in your life to be able to go from,
from, you know, being a perfectionist to, okay, it doesn't have to be perfect, but I'm still
giving my best at the same time. That's awesome, dude. Super awesome. Thanks. I'm not perfect at
it, but I'm definitely gotten better than I was. That's cool, man. I wish I could do that.
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You can, man. You can do it. You know, I think that's the thing is I love how we're all different
and we learn from each other, man. I mean, I'm glad that I have people like you that have your
set of strengths that I can learn from and, you know, that I have something to contribute because
I'm, you know, like I'm not, I have my own set of strengths and it's hard when you're in a situation,
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like when you're a little kid and like all your older siblings are better at you in like everything,
you know, pretty much if it can feel like that sometimes, you know what I mean? But kids,
because they have different personalities, they still find their niche. And so even when an older
sibling might be better at something, a younger sibling finds something. They recognize that their
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older sibling maybe goes over the top in this one area and they learn from it and try to learn
to regulate themselves a little bit better and maybe don't go that extreme, you know? And so
it's interesting that because we have other people like that, you know, that are better than us in
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some ways, we find other ways to kind of compensate and say, you know what, this is what's important
to me. At least I don't do this, you know, or at least I can work on this thing and do it the best
I can. And I love how we can all learn and grow from each other. For sure. Amen. Yeah, that's like
Dave, you're better than my brothers at wrestling. It's just a fact. It's just a fact. Yeah. And this
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that's officially on the record now. Yeah. I love that you asked that question then because
really, you know, you look back to, like you said, whatever age, maybe teenager to now how
we've grown or developed or changed, you know, personality wise, even how we've improved or
whatever, and just remembering that we can do that moving forward. Like we're not stuck, we're not
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labeled as this specific thing necessarily. Like, you know, we're a percentage of each of these
personality areas and I've taken this test a few times in the last seven years and those percentages
have changed. And, you know, hopefully some of them in a positive direction and that's something
that we can work towards. I like how they do it in, you know, in movies and the show sometimes,
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you know, you have somebody who is labeled in the show as like the nerd or whatever, right, or in
the movie and how they recognize how they have, you know, strengths that allows them to be, to have
more fun and make more friends or whatever else. I don't know. I love the fact that we can grow.
We can have our personality. We can be who we are in our core, but we can improve in various ways.
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So we can vote for Pedro. We can vote for Pedro. Hey, follow your heart. That's what I always do.
Good stuff. Should we do a few of the quick fast round questions? All right. Public speaking,
A, fully written out and practiced multiple times to get the timing perfect or B, rough outline,
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but willing to switch gears if audience isn't responding well. Hey, I'm an A all the way.
Yeah, I'm a B. Driving, pull out into traffic when there's the slightest gap and hope others
slow down to let you in or wait until there's a gap. Four cars could pull out before the next car
in traffic approaches. Yeah, I'm just trying to get home. Yeah, sometimes I'm an A, but
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I probably more of a B. All right. Dating. This is back in the day. Okay. Back in the day.
Lay the compliments on thick and ask her out the moment someone catches your eye or lay low for a
while and ask around to find out if she's single, whether she might like you back, et cetera.
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James? A, I think. That's so funny, dude. B for me all the way.
Every single one of you guys are awful. Okay. Insulting. Someone insults you. Do you insult
back hard, fast and funnier or B, agree with the insult and insult yourself even further to get
bigger laughs. Is this somebody like where we know? I don't know. The context might matter. Yeah.
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I would say probably someone you know, but not necessarily your friend. I don't know. What do
you think? Probably A. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely do that sometimes, but I'm also,
I find the self-deprecating humor funny. So I think I'd probably go B more.
That's where I think I probably have changed. I've become more B over time, I think. Yeah.
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And I think I was more A back in the day. Yeah. Okay. Wakefulness, morning person or night owl.
Dude, that's hard. I'm both. I don't, I usually, I'm usually up at, you know, six or seven. I don't
have a bed to two or three. So. John's like sleep. What's that man? Yeah. You're A, B.
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Yeah. I'm a, I'm a morning person, I guess. I still like to stay up and have fun on like weekends and
stuff, but if I had to pick one, it's morning. Yeah. All right. Entertainment, movie night or
amusement park. Movie night, baby. Same, same. There we go. We got one. We got one. All right.
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Let's see. Grumpiness. Let's see what I put here. Everyone takes one look at you and gives you a
wide berth or B, no one knows you're fuming inside. Oh man. My emotions are on my sleeve, baby. You
know where you stand with me. I'm here. Dang. We're one for like 10, John. I'm a B on that guy. Wow.
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So yeah, this is just a quick quickie, you know, of course. And like you said, there's,
there could be circumstances or details. Like with the insulting is this somebody that you know,
and you know, that kind of stuff, but overall like a quick money round,
you guys have got a lot of differences, but I mean, you guys still get along great, man.
It's just that we compliment each other so perfectly. Yeah. You know, I was looking at
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John's personality from that quiz and there's a part that, that spoke to me as far as like,
says better together. In fact, as if to prove the point, ISTJs do sometimes become friends with
people who are more spontaneous and imaginative. These are very much relationships built not on
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mutual understanding, but out of respect for their mutual differences. ISTJ personalities will
happily marvel at other people's breadth of thought, being very much in tune with their
own intelligence while they themselves are regularly admired for their realism and dependability,
something that others are often hard pressed to find. Knowledge as always is the great equalizer.
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So I don't know. I thought that was kind of cool. Good job. That was great. And I'm easy going,
man. And I'll do whatever you tell me to do. So just kidding. Have fun. There it is. Bam.
It is so funny, dude. We were like, seriously, everything different opposite, but it's cool,
man. We have laughs. We love movies together. Give a yin to my yang, baby. Yeah, that's right.
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Do you think other people saw you as super different? Like when you were kids?
No, no. Yeah. I think we have,
I think one thing that people could probably have seen as kids is Dave as more of the adventurous
type than me. Like he was always climbing stuff, man. He was a monkey when he was a kid, dude.
Like how many broken bones do you have as a kid? Yeah, that's a few.
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Zero, zero still to say. But I think maybe that's something that if they were to look closely and
analyze, they'd definitely see you as more adventurous than I am, but that's probably what I mean.
Yeah. I feel like where our personalities are different, it didn't make us like incompatible.
Like we just had fun together. It was just like, oh, and I would do that different or whatever,
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but we still had a good time, man. Plus I think it helped that like, you know, our parents put
us together, like when we were two years old or whatever. So just growing up from day one pretty
much was- And the fact that I could walk from my side of Maplewood to yours without parental
supervision. Yeah, exactly. That helped too. Exactly. All right guys. So that concludes another
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awesome episode of Fat, Dumb, and Happy. Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you. We love
you guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you to Dave and to our special guest expert as always,
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Hey, welcome back. We hope you enjoy listening to part two of this episode.
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So here's another thing, guys. I think I mentioned this before. I had a psychology professor
one time that listed a cluster of words and had us pick which cluster most fit us, right?
And then it was one of those overhead projector, you know, and then put an overlay on top of
it that now once we had all like picked our thing, it said all the astrology signs.
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And he said, he said like 80% of the time, people get it right.
No way. And he's like, that's higher than a lot of
personality tests. No way.
And he said he's not trying to diss personality tests or elevate astrology. I mean, I don't
think he was a believer in that kind of stuff. But he says that like, you know, the way we
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see ourselves can reflect back on what we've been told about ourselves.
So you know, if you look at you look at an astrology thing, and you always look for your
one, right? Yeah.
And you read it and you pick the pieces that you can relate to, maybe not all of it, but
there's at least some parts of it that you can kind of relate to. And over the years
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of reading those kinds of things, you start to think of yourself that way. Like you start
to, you know, for some people at least, you know, and like I said, like 80% of the people
pick this cluster of adjectives that fit them to be their astrology thing.
So I was curious to see what about this kind, you know, these different like what is an
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INFP? Is it going to say for I'm a Gemini? So is it going to say Gemini? You know, all
right. So this is one website, okay. That is guessing what you are based on your horoscope
sign or whatever. Yeah. And so Dave, you are an Aquarius, right?
Yep. I'm not INTP though. And it's guessing. Yeah. It says, you are a deep thinker Aquarius.
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You love solving problems and are quite original in your thoughts and ideas. INTP seem to match
your personality the most. Like you, INTPs are more interested in ideas and tend to be
analytical. Both of you enjoy the abstract and theoretical more. Do you agree with any
of that? I mean, a little. Okay. Now what are you actually
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then you are? ENFJ.
ENFJ. So they would guess you're a Sagittarius. Yeah. A month off of there. And it says Sagittarius
is fun, loving and adventurous. They make great teachers and coaches because they have
the ability to motivate others. It makes sense that Sagittarians are most likely to be ENFJs
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because both are thought to be responsive and highly attuned to the motivation of others.
Both tend to sensationalize and provide inspiring leadership.
I like it. I think that's a better fit.
Yeah. Better than Aquarius one. It's a month off, but it's actually two signs
off. Yeah. Because you're on the cusp, right? Right
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on the edge. Yeah.
What about you, John? What is ISTJ? Is that right?
Yep. Okay. So they think you should be a Taurus.
Taurus is your best traits are reliability, patience and practicality. That is why you
are most likely to be an ISTJ who earns success by being extremely dependable and thorough.
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Like you, ISTJs are very pragmatic and responsible. They like to do steady work without any interruptions.
Like the bull, ISTJs also value loyalty over everything else.
That's super accurate. Dude, you should have been a Taurus. What
is your actual sign? Capricorn.
Capricorn. All right. Let's read this one. It says you are serious, disciplined and ambitious.
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Capricorn, you are very driven by your bulls, just like INTJs. Like Capricorn's, INTJs have
high standards for themselves and others. Both exude an aura of competence and can be
very independent. Both are said to have very rational minds. I actually think that one
fits you too. Yeah.
Yeah. The first one is way more accurate, but
this one I could definitely see as much. This isn't too far off. It's just that one letter,
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right? Yep.
And that was one, well, that one you were at 78% or something, right? So that's actually
one that is not, yeah, you were strong in the S.
But this isn't too far off. You're right, I think. All right. Let me look up mine. I
am a Gemini. So I'll look up that first. All right. For Gemini, it says ESFP. You are known
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for your excellent communication skills, Gemini. So it won't be surprising to discover you
are an ESFP according to Myers-Briggs. ESFPs also possess the gift of gab and are extremely
outgoing. They are lovers of life and enjoy bringing fun to somber institutions such as
the workplace. Both Gemini's and ESFPs are adaptable and do well with new people and
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unfamiliar environments. What do you think, Ben? Some of that.
It's a little bit, you know, but I don't know. So yeah, I am like the opposite in the first
two and the second two are the same for me. That's true. So perhaps. So let's check out
the other one. Myers-Briggs thinks I am. INFP. Pisces. It says friendly, compassionate, and
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selfless. Pisces matches INFPs the most. Like Pisces, INFPs can be dreamy and imaginative.
Most of these personalities are also very idealistic and introverts. Pisces is an immutable
sign which gives them their legendary flexible natures. Similarly, INFPs are also known for
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their adaptability and acceptance of all. Is that a bit more?
I think maybe a little bit. Maybe. I don't know that I'm super imaginative, but I don't
know. So they have signs like 0 for 3. Yeah. So yeah, I don't think. And the funny thing
is though, is that you go to a different website and they will show different signs for the
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same, you know what I mean? Different personalities for different signs.
Yep. Yep. And so like on this other website, let's see, INFP is, and this time it says
Aquarius, you know? And so I think that's the thing about astrology is you can read
it in so many different ways that it's like, yeah, you can kind of match with almost anything.
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That's true. But I don't know. I mean, not to diss anybody
that loves those things, but it didn't quite match from the websites I looked at anyway.
Yeah. I looked at three different websites and each one put me at a different place,
a different sign. A different sign.
So now super accurate study of the science of astrology.
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Yeah. Those types of personalities that we describe
aren't necessarily the stereotypical ways that we envision someone's personality, like
how we describe them. Yeah.
And here are some famous descriptions of ways people describe personalities.
Okay. All right. So yeah, like Ben was saying, so like,
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socially, there's definitely different ways you can be looked upon. Either you're going
to be the life of the party, so you're outgoing, energetic, loves to be the center of attention.
That kind of brings up Ben's first hypothetical scenario, with the surprise party when they
invite everybody and I just kind of go and duck away. So the butterfly, the friendly,
enjoys socializing in large groups, makes friends easily. That was kind of where Dave
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was going with that. Or the wallflower, the shy, introverted, prefers smaller gatherings
or one-on-one interactions. Where do you think you fall in? I know we kind of talked about
it, but where do you think you can fall in on that one? Which you had to categorize yourself
with one of those three. I love having fun at a party, man. I like
to be the life of the party and social butterfly. I mean, the wallflower part that made me uncomfortable
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is the one-on-one interactions. I am not great at one-on-one. Even with good, close friends,
I like to have a group, usually. I'm the opposite, probably. I'm probably more
the wallflower, but I do have times when I'm more of a social butterfly. The one I don't
really connect with is I really don't like to be the center of the attention. Even when
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I do enjoy socializing and being in large groups, I still try not to make myself the
center of the attention. I don't know. I'm not good at it. When I start to feel all eyes
on me, that's when I lock up and put my foot in my mouth or something.
It's interesting because I don't really do large gatherings with people that I don't
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know. If I'm in a large gathering, I know the majority of the people. Usually every
year my sister has a birthday party around this time. She does a crawfish boil and they
celebrate her and her husband's birthday all together. I invite tons and tons of friends.
My brother-in-law's family, who I know, they're awesome. Then it's a lot of people that I
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used to work with at the restaurant. Then there are a few new people here and there
that I don't know that I've talked to. Normally when I am in a group setting, socially, it's
with people I already know. The more that group expands, the more wallflower-y I become.
I don't like being the center of attention just to be the center of attention. I like
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getting a crowd to laugh. I love that. When that happens, it's one of my favorite things.
If it's rolling and everyone's laughing and I can keep it going, it's like, I love it.
It's so fun.
Yeah. I can totally see that in you, Dave.
You're like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber when he's hosting the Frames.
Yeah. Hold a hole and lean back, light my fart on fire. Yep. Yep.
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Throw up the peanuts on fire.
Yeah.
That's interesting. Then you go the other way. Even if something, if I am the center
of attention, like Ben's scenario, and it was a surprise party for me, I don't want
to be that guy. I don't want to be the center of attention because I'm nothing special.
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It's just like, I don't feel like I deserve to be the center of attention or anything.
So that's why I prefer the more flowery type, I guess.
I'm sorry, dude. You do deserve it, man. So you're going to have to deal with it these
times. So once in a while.
That's right. Especially when we get huge from this podcast and you're going to be interviewed
on live TV. No, I don't know.
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Okay. So that's social. What about at work? Where do you feel yourself at work? These
aren't all of the categories you possibly would be at work. Sometimes when we have a
job we can minimize what type of personalities complain to an employee. So yours might not
be on here, but what do you most closely relate to? So there's the workaholic. Are you driven,
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ambitious? Are you put work before your personal life? Are you the slacker where you're unmotivated,
avoids work when it's possible, like down at the CW? Are you the micromanager where
you need to control every aspect of a task because you shouldn't trust others to do that,
which is funny because my whole personality talks a lot about that. I just don't trust
other people to get my job done. Are you the yes man, no man, yes woman, no woman, where
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you would read everything because you can't think for yourself. So I know those are kind
of middle of the road. What do you guys think you most closely follow into on there?
Yeah, it's funny, but I think I would probably lean most towards the yes man, unfortunately,
because I like being on the good side of people in general. And I like being positive about
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things. I don't like the lacking independent thought because I think I solve problems and
be creative and whatever else. But yeah, especially when it's like, can you get this done? I also
want to be the one that can cancel the problem or whatever. So that's probably the one I
would say. I probably say the same. I mean, the thing is, it's interesting that we have
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all these phrases for negative things. What is a phrase for positive? Someone who's solid,
who gets the job done. But I'm not that driven. I mean, I like to say I'm more of the hard
worker, like the workaholic, but I don't put work before my personal life. I mean, if I
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have to get the job done and they're counting on me, then yes, I will up the ante and work
hard. But I definitely don't think that fits me. Same thing with the other ones. In a sense,
there might be a piece of it that I could maybe agree with a little bit. I'm not a slacker,
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but I'm not driven either. And so it's kind of in the middle there. I wouldn't say I'm
super motivated other than just I want to get the job done, but I'm not wanting to go
up the corporate ladder. You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
And so in that sense, people that are workaholics might call me a slacker. A micromanager, again,
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that's definitely not me. That's probably the least one that's me, I think. I can't
even see a piece of it that's me, really. But the yes, man, I think maybe that's the
other thing is I am a kind of an agreeable person. If this is what they want to do, I'll
do it. I'm not going to argue with them about it. I'll just try to get it done. But as far
as saying, when I think of a yes, man, I think of someone who's just fawning over somebody.
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Oh yeah, that's wonderful idea, even if I think it's stupid. And I don't think I'm that.
Same. No, that's true. Yeah, I'm not going to just say yes because I want to be a brown
noser or something like that. No, exactly. Yeah. And that's the thing. And so every one
of these, it was hard for me to say I'm any of them, but maybe the yes, man might be the
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closest, I guess. Yeah, with a hard worker. Yep. Same. So it's funny because if you put
the workaholics, the micromanager and the yes, man together, if you're looking for a positive
description, you could do your employee of the month type. Yeah. And that's kind of put
all three of those get you as the employee of the month. Yeah. Negative, positive, I
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guess, in this scenario. If I were to be honest with myself on the workaholic, when I'm working
and it's something that I like to do, when I'm good at, I'll go and work off the clock
if I have to get my job done. And not being married anymore, I'll definitely be, forgo
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other things in my life to get the job done. So I definitely fall into that category. Like
when I was a waiter, man, I've lived with that pressure. I truly did. And then come
every quarter, we did like a GSM, a general staff meeting, and I just clean up on the
awards. And at the time they were all gift cards. So I was good with that. And I got
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to the point where I'm going to shoot my own woman for a second to where by being the workaholic,
I got an award that's never been given out before by our corporate office, because of
people like calling in telling me, you know, telling my corporate office, I was such a
good waiter. And yeah, so things so that I guess that falls into the ambitious. I could
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also be the micromanager. Like I said, my personality descriptions talk about that a
lot, like in group projects, where you just kind of take over because you don't trust
the other dumb-dumbs to do the job right. I definitely, I've seen it. I don't think
I'm a yes man. You know, if I, I'll be honest in my assessments, I think something's not
going to work, especially if it's like a new procedure or something like that. I'm actually,
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I play, I'm the more of a devil's advocate. I'm like, everything will work together. So
something like that.
Go Poles. Yeah.
Yeah. So I think the workaholic, I'm not a micromanager. Not great titles to have, but
I think if I'm being honest with myself, that's why I'm here.
Well John, thank you for coming to this interview. You're hired.
All right. So this one, just your basic general temperament, right? So your day to day temperament,
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you know, that usually takes a lot of work and honing. So you've got your, you know,
obviously guys, there's more than just these four, but you got your hothead, you know,
it gets angry very easily, struggles to control their emotions. They're like the Hulk, right?
You got your easy going, doesn't get stressed easily, goes with the flow. I feel like I
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don't want to be the sad one of these. But pessimists always expects the worst. See the
negative side of things. I think I'm going to play my hand early. I'm not a fast category.
The optimist always sees the bright side and believes that they're going to find the best
outcome for things. Ben, let's start with you. Where do you feel you fall into at least
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those four categories?
Yeah, this is another one. I don't feel like I fit perfectly, but here's the thing. So
like, I get stressed, but it's mostly about like, I'm on hard on myself. Right. So in
that sense, I'm kind of a pessimist on myself. But like when life happens, I am, I tend to
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be able to go with the flow with it, you know? And so I'm not like, so if something for instance,
bad happens at work, I'm probably one of the easier going people about it to be like, eh,
we'll just, we'll deal with it, you know, like, and move on. I try to be that way. And I think
I am better than many, at least, you know, not the best, but I think I tend to be more
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easygoing, I guess. But if I'm being honest, I, it doesn't, I mean, I still get stressed.
I just stress about my own abilities, you know, I stress about possibly myself messing
up, you know, or letting people down, you know,
real quick, let's take this outside of the work. Let's say this, forget work. Let's start
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with your daily life. You still feel that everything you just said applies?
I still say it applies, you know, like in my life, I stress about, you know, whether
I'm being the best dad I can be, you know, or things like that. I think I can be a little
critical of myself. I'm not like, I don't want to over overplay that. I mean, I'm still
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generally probably pretty easygoing about things. And I don't, I'm not like the total
worst pessimist in that, in that sense, but I'm not as easygoing as it might come across.
Do you know what I mean? When I'm describing, I'm not perfectly an easygoing guy, but I
think in general, I try to be.
Keep watching your bluey. You'll get there.
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All right. I have some, what about you, Dave?
Yeah, definitely. I would say easygoing is a strong for me. I like going with the flow,
you know, I enjoy doing whatever people want to do. Like that's, that's part of that yes
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man thing. It's, and it's funny because I know I like, if I was by myself, I know what
I want to go eat. If I'm by myself, I can pick a movie I want to watch. But when I'm
with other people, like I truly honestly enjoy doing the things that they would want to do.
Like almost always, I'll be honest if it's like, no, I don't want, I don't want raw fish
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or whatever. I don't want sushi. I don't want, you know, there's certain things where I'll
be like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to have to pass because I really don't like it. But I'm
like, I'm open that way that I like to, to go with the flow for sure. And I'm also optimistic.
So I think, I think I'm kind of both of those.
Yeah. I was thinking of that for you too, dude. I think I was thinking you're definitely
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have an optimist side of you for sure.
Yeah. I think the, the go with the flow part for you, easy going, definitely this. Yeah.
Just, just trying to kind of remember back in our childhood, I feel like you never chose
anything we did or played or whatever. I think it was always, John, what do you want to do
whatever decision that we did it? It was like, let's go ride skateboards. Okay.
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And that's why you guys get along.
Yeah, man.
You do what I say. That's exactly right.
That's what he said. But I definitely thought that one for you for sure. You've always been
a very go with the flow kind of guy as far as I can.
What about you, John?
I think for me, I'm probably the Hulk at times. Like, yeah, if we're just trying to be honest
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with ourselves and trying to make ourselves better people, I'm the Hulk. I mean, I don't,
I get angry easily. It's more of a like daily life situational things. Like, you know, somebody
stealing all four of my tires. I definitely struggled when that happened a few weeks ago.
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I don't know if you heard about that then, but somebody stole all four of my tires, guys.
Oh man.
Yeah. It was a nightmare and everything finally got finished up and fixed two days ago.
So that's finally all done behind me. But yeah, I think a lot of the struggles control emotions
and maybe it's not bad. I think I'm going to combine a couple of these as well like you guys
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did. I'm going to take a little bit of a hot head from gets angry easily. That's just situational
stuff. The easy going part, I do get stressed easily because apart from my body, I demand
perfection for myself on just about everything that I do. And when it doesn't go that way,
it makes it a little bit harder. So I would like it to say I'm optimist, but man, I don't really
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think I am. I think I'm more of a pessimist, but I think that being a pessimist or a realist,
if you will, if you want to slide that in there instead of pessimists, I think a realist would
probably be better. I try to keep things level headed and on key is what is attainable in my
life and things like that. So as far as that goes, I'm kind of a mix.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that, John, for sure.
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You know, John, I would say that on the positive side, I mean, there's definitely some negative
connotations. You have to watch yourself if you get angry easily. But one of the positive things
about anger is that you don't go with the flow when you shouldn't. And so getting frustrated
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with something that's wrong is what's going to fuel your energy to fix the problem. And so you
may be someone that actually is, you know, you can rely on to fix things that are wrong instead of
just going with the flow with it, you know? And so there's a place for going with the flow.
There's nothing we can do about it. Well, why work yourself up about it? But when there is something
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you can do about it, that's when you really need someone that has a fire in them to say,
hey, this isn't right, you know? And I want to stand up and say that, you know? And so I appreciate
that side of you too, though. You know what I mean? Because I think there's a need for it, man.
Yeah, man. Dr. Bennett, drop them truth bombs. I'm very nice.
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Okay, so this is the one that I see the biggest difference with me, dude.
And this is something I've noticed from an early age, like I really did from my visits at 700
Prospect Street. Organizationally, in your life, how do you spare? Are you the leaf drinker who's
highly organized, dislikes clutter, needs everything in its place? Are you the pamphlet who
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forwards belongings, and puts everything away? Or kind of a free spirit? Where you're just organized,
spontaneous, goes with the flow, sometimes to a fault, but you kind of still know where things
are in your, that's how you're organized chaos. Yeah, you know, it's all like on a spectrum, man.
I think I am definitely that free spirit goes with the flow, spontaneous. But I do, maybe I've
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developed it more since we were kids. I do like things to be somewhat, you know, clean and
organized. I'm just not OCD about it. And, you know, our house growing up was a lived in house,
for sure. It was like, and that's where everyone came. And I think everyone, for the most part,
felt comfortable unless they were like, you know, and so that's what, that's what I loved about it.
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But yeah, very, very different. And we figured that out. The second you walk in your door and
you have that little cubby hole of like jackets and boots and someone on the left hand side.
This lady is dumb. Yeah, man. It's good stuff. All right. What about you, Ben?
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I am probably more of the pack rat. I have sentimentality for some things that remind me
of my past, remind me of people that I love and stuff like that. So I have like little like
letters that people wrote to me when I was from 25 years ago or something like that, you know,
that I just hang on to because man, it just, I mean, it's not like I look at them all the time,
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but every once in a while I go through my pile of mess and be like, oh yeah, that totally reminds
me of that friend from back in the day. You know, like, I wonder what's going on with them,
you know, or just, I don't know, a little, I don't even know how to describe it. Just little
knickknacks and things that I've picked up over the years and stuff. I wish I had all the toys that I
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grew up with. There's a part of me that would love to have, you know, a little shelf that just had a
few of my favorite toys or something like that. It just would bring back memories. It just,
the emotion that it brings to me is a positive one. I mean, it's not that I don't ever throw
anything away. I'm not that extreme. We're not going to catch you on an episode of Forge, right?
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No, it's not that bad really. And it helps that I have a wife that keeps me in check a little bit.
You know, she's not that much that way, but I definitely, if I let myself, I could let things
get cluttered too much because I do, I struggle to be like, man, what if, I'm one of those guys that
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like, oh, what's this cord go to? I don't even remember, but maybe someday I'm going to remember
and need it. Like, where's that freaking cord? And now I know what it goes to and I can't find it.
I've been there before, so I hate it. Yeah, it's funny you say that because when I moved out in
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October, when I moved to my new apartment, I was going through some of my electric cords and things
like that. And I still have my red, white, and yellow from like the old school Nintendo kind of
thing. Well, I had like an old camcorder. I'm like, oh man, I want to watch this old home video and
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I don't know where the cord is. And it costs like 60 bucks to get a new power cord for it. I'm like,
dang it. And so like it scarred me. And now I'm one of those people that have like three huge
cardboard boxes full of random cords to go through in the garage. You're going to be a hero one day
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when you have one of those cords that you need. I got it. Yes. You're going to come in there to that
cherry. Then it'll be chewed through by a raccoon or something. I'm like, oops.
That's awesome. Yeah. So I think it's very fair and paired through these almost 20 episodes we've
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done so far, 22 that we've done so far. I'm definitely A on that. I'm a neat freak. I think
that my life just runs better when I'm organized and I know where everything is. I hate clutter.
You guys can see my apartment here. It's just me, but everything here is spotless.
It's just, I don't know. I was always been that way. My parents would probably disagree
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when I was a kid. That probably wasn't very true, but in my adulthood, I would definitely
always been. I just feel like things run so much smoother when I'm neat and organized.
Yeah. I admire it. It's good, man. I think it's interesting though that
Ben, you mentioned about people that have written back to you. You got letters, 25 years old. That's
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pretty dang impressive to be honest. Yeah, it's cool. I think that the days becoming more organized,
I'm not going to say highly organized because I don't know how much has changed over the years,
but I'm pretty sure Cathy probably had a lot to do. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Which is awesome.
I think though I do have some fact-rightness towards me as well because I still have from my
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mission, I still have every single one of my weekly schedules. I have every letter that I wrote home
and that my parents wrote to me. I still have my Eagle Scout stuff, the whole whole bag. I still
got all that. I still got those little blue cards. If you remember President Clark, Damian's dad,
if he wrote those little blue cards, he goes, give you little inspirational notes. I still got a
couple of those. You are a winner, dude. Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. I was like, I have some
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things like that, but obviously they're all stored away in bins or whatever, but I still have them.
I don't know why I can't get rid of them. I obviously don't get them for anything, but
it is what it is. Well, one of these days, John, you're going to scan each one of them and organize
them into some file system and share it with your grandkids. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I probably
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should do that actually. Yeah, I value that nostalgia too, for sure. It does bring back good
memories. I can resonate with that too. It's crazy. On a very rare occasion, maybe when I'm
moving, I'll go back and look at this box and it'll be my missionary box. It'll show letters
to my past from the MTC. We were the worst district ever in MTC history.
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I want to ask you a question just in general. If you look at who you were maybe when you were,
say, I don't know, 18 or pick an age, that doesn't really matter, and who you are now,
what's an area in your life, personality, or just the way you've developed, maybe just growth,
maybe, I don't know, but how would people see you as different now than the way you were?
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I'd have to say, well, this is something that comes with growing up or working. My work ethic,
obviously, I think is one huge area that people could clearly point to. But apart from that,
personality wise, probably my reliability, I think has definitely changed over the years.
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It's funny because, and I wasn't like this growing up, I was a little bit more of a
kid, but I'll do what people need me to do no matter how much it affects me without letting
them know. When I was a supervisor at one of my jobs, somebody came to me and said, hey,
they were struggling. Even if I didn't have the money to help them, I'd find a way to help them
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with money. Even if it wasn't an expense to me, it's, you know, I'm not going to be able to do
money. Even if it wasn't an expense to me, I think that reliability, that dependability
have definitely increased over the last couple decades for sure. What about you guys? That's
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a great question to ask. What about you, Dave? Well, the one we just mentioned a little bit
ago, I have gotten more organized and more clean. That definitely was influenced and
helped by my wife who was raised in a very, very clean, very organized house. So that helps.
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I think too that I was so different at school than I was at church. I was a very different
person it seemed like. And so I've become more of the same in different situations, if that makes
sense, more unified in my personality and way I go about things. What about you, Ben?
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One thing that I don't know that other people see it as much, because it's such an internal thing,
but I used to be too much of a perfectionist. I would freeze up and not be able to move forward
because I didn't feel like things were right. And I still have a bit of that in me, but I've been
able, like over the years I've grown and been able to just like, been able to just let things go and
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be like, that's good enough. That's good enough. I'm not going to like not do anything. I'm going
to do my best and call it good. You know what I mean? And that was a struggle for me when I was
young. Like, oh man, even in middle school, I'd have to write a paper or something like that. And
take me like so long when it wasn't that big of a thing. Why can't I just write it down and
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like, you know, just BS it almost, you know what I mean? And I would stress about it. I had to be
right. I had to be accurate. I had to sound, not sound weird and stuff. And I just would pick it
apart so much. And now I'm like, eh, you know, I mean, I still try to do my best if I'm writing
something or trying to say something, but I stress less over myself and I don't, and I stress less
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about how other people view me. Whereas at one point in time, especially I would, it would be
disabling as far as worrying about how other people view me or how this comes across. And so
that's, I think one area where I think I've grown somewhat at least, you know, I think I'm still
kind of the overall same personality, but I'm a lot of, I learned to be a lot easier on myself.
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I guess you could say. I think that for those ever listen, I hope everybody takes something away
from what Ben just said. It's something that in my life I wish I could do because I too feel like
I'm the perfectionist. That, and it's so dumb on some of the things like I'm a perfectionist making
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sure I back into my parking spot the right way. I'm perfectly emailing my lines and this and that,
whether I'm writing something, my penmanship has to be perfect. My dad, I can tell like without
just scribbling stuff down, I write like my mom and I can see her exact handwriting in mine.
My dad, however, is amadextrous and he can write equally his printer like with either hand.
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That's a norm. But I can write like him as well. And when I have to write things that are presented
to other people, not amadextrous, but my penmanship is actually really good. And, but there are times
when I'm trying, if I'm trying to present something to other people or something that needs to be seen
by people, that I will, even if I get down to the bottom of the page, if I make one mistake,
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I'll rewrite the entire thing. And so there are not every aspect, but there are parts of my life
where I do try to be a perfectionist. And I think at some point, all of us have at least a little
something we try to do perfectly here and there, or something that we're just really, really good at
that we just want to be best at. But the one thing that you said, Ben, is something I wish I could do
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and that's just to let it go. Let it roll off my back. And people at home listening, if you're in,
I think that is one of the biggest growth characteristic traits that you could have is to learn how to let
things roll. I don't have that ability. I wish I did. I wish I could be better at that, but to be able to
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let things roll off your back, I think those people are happier in life. I think they don't
get bogged down as much with the stress of certain issues or, you know, events that are happening in
their personal life. And it's weird, you know, I preach this to other people, especially my buddy.
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I tell him all the time, I say, look man, somebody cuts him off traffic. I say, just let it go dude,
we're not in a rush. We're not trying to get there. We've got nowhere to be. We've got plenty of time,
that kind of scenario, but he doesn't know how to let things roll. People that do,
who really don't know how to let it roll, I'm envious of that. I think that's a great
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characteristic to have. That's a great growth trait in your life to be able to go from,
from, you know, being a perfectionist to, okay, it doesn't have to be perfect, but I'm still
giving my best at the same time. That's awesome, dude. Super awesome. Thanks. I'm not perfect at
it, but I'm definitely gotten better than I was. That's cool, man. I wish I could do that.
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You can, man. You can do it. You know, I think that's the thing is I love how we're all different
and we learn from each other, man. I mean, I'm glad that I have people like you that have your
set of strengths that I can learn from and, you know, that I have something to contribute because
I'm, you know, like I'm not, I have my own set of strengths and it's hard when you're in a situation,
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like when you're a little kid and like all your older siblings are better at you in like everything,
you know, pretty much if it can feel like that sometimes, you know what I mean? But kids,
because they have different personalities, they still find their niche. And so even when an older
sibling might be better at something, a younger sibling finds something. They recognize that their
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older sibling maybe goes over the top in this one area and they learn from it and try to learn
to regulate themselves a little bit better and maybe don't go that extreme, you know? And so
it's interesting that because we have other people like that, you know, that are better than us in
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some ways, we find other ways to kind of compensate and say, you know what, this is what's important
to me. At least I don't do this, you know, or at least I can work on this thing and do it the best
I can. And I love how we can all learn and grow from each other. For sure. Amen. Yeah, that's like
Dave, you're better than my brothers at wrestling. It's just a fact. It's just a fact. Yeah. And this
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that's officially on the record now. Yeah. I love that you asked that question then because
really, you know, you look back to, like you said, whatever age, maybe teenager to now how
we've grown or developed or changed, you know, personality wise, even how we've improved or
whatever, and just remembering that we can do that moving forward. Like we're not stuck, we're not
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labeled as this specific thing necessarily. Like, you know, we're a percentage of each of these
personality areas and I've taken this test a few times in the last seven years and those percentages
have changed. And, you know, hopefully some of them in a positive direction and that's something
that we can work towards. I like how they do it in, you know, in movies and the show sometimes,
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you know, you have somebody who is labeled in the show as like the nerd or whatever, right, or in
the movie and how they recognize how they have, you know, strengths that allows them to be, to have
more fun and make more friends or whatever else. I don't know. I love the fact that we can grow.
We can have our personality. We can be who we are in our core, but we can improve in various ways.
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So we can vote for Pedro. We can vote for Pedro. Hey, follow your heart. That's what I always do.
Good stuff. Should we do a few of the quick fast round questions? All right. Public speaking,
A, fully written out and practiced multiple times to get the timing perfect or B, rough outline,
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but willing to switch gears if audience isn't responding well. Hey, I'm an A all the way.
Yeah, I'm a B. Driving, pull out into traffic when there's the slightest gap and hope others
slow down to let you in or wait until there's a gap. Four cars could pull out before the next car
in traffic approaches. Yeah, I'm just trying to get home. Yeah, sometimes I'm an A, but
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I probably more of a B. All right. Dating. This is back in the day. Okay. Back in the day.
Lay the compliments on thick and ask her out the moment someone catches your eye or lay low for a
while and ask around to find out if she's single, whether she might like you back, et cetera.
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James? A, I think. That's so funny, dude. B for me all the way.
Every single one of you guys are awful. Okay. Insulting. Someone insults you. Do you insult
back hard, fast and funnier or B, agree with the insult and insult yourself even further to get
bigger laughs. Is this somebody like where we know? I don't know. The context might matter. Yeah.
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I would say probably someone you know, but not necessarily your friend. I don't know. What do
you think? Probably A. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely do that sometimes, but I'm also,
I find the self-deprecating humor funny. So I think I'd probably go B more.
That's where I think I probably have changed. I've become more B over time, I think. Yeah.
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And I think I was more A back in the day. Yeah. Okay. Wakefulness, morning person or night owl.
Dude, that's hard. I'm both. I don't, I usually, I'm usually up at, you know, six or seven. I don't
have a bed to two or three. So. John's like sleep. What's that man? Yeah. You're A, B.
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Yeah. I'm a, I'm a morning person, I guess. I still like to stay up and have fun on like weekends and
stuff, but if I had to pick one, it's morning. Yeah. All right. Entertainment, movie night or
amusement park. Movie night, baby. Same, same. There we go. We got one. We got one. All right.
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Let's see. Grumpiness. Let's see what I put here. Everyone takes one look at you and gives you a
wide berth or B, no one knows you're fuming inside. Oh man. My emotions are on my sleeve, baby. You
know where you stand with me. I'm here. Dang. We're one for like 10, John. I'm a B on that guy. Wow.
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So yeah, this is just a quick quickie, you know, of course. And like you said, there's,
there could be circumstances or details. Like with the insulting is this somebody that you know,
and you know, that kind of stuff, but overall like a quick money round,
you guys have got a lot of differences, but I mean, you guys still get along great, man.
It's just that we compliment each other so perfectly. Yeah. You know, I was looking at
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John's personality from that quiz and there's a part that, that spoke to me as far as like,
says better together. In fact, as if to prove the point, ISTJs do sometimes become friends with
people who are more spontaneous and imaginative. These are very much relationships built not on
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mutual understanding, but out of respect for their mutual differences. ISTJ personalities will
happily marvel at other people's breadth of thought, being very much in tune with their
own intelligence while they themselves are regularly admired for their realism and dependability,
something that others are often hard pressed to find. Knowledge as always is the great equalizer.
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So I don't know. I thought that was kind of cool. Good job. That was great. And I'm easy going,
man. And I'll do whatever you tell me to do. So just kidding. Have fun. There it is. Bam.
It is so funny, dude. We were like, seriously, everything different opposite, but it's cool,
man. We have laughs. We love movies together. Give a yin to my yang, baby. Yeah, that's right.
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Do you think other people saw you as super different? Like when you were kids?
No, no. Yeah. I think we have,
I think one thing that people could probably have seen as kids is Dave as more of the adventurous
type than me. Like he was always climbing stuff, man. He was a monkey when he was a kid, dude.
Like how many broken bones do you have as a kid? Yeah, that's a few.
(45:42):
Zero, zero still to say. But I think maybe that's something that if they were to look closely and
analyze, they'd definitely see you as more adventurous than I am, but that's probably what I mean.
Yeah. I feel like where our personalities are different, it didn't make us like incompatible.
Like we just had fun together. It was just like, oh, and I would do that different or whatever,
(46:05):
but we still had a good time, man. Plus I think it helped that like, you know, our parents put
us together, like when we were two years old or whatever. So just growing up from day one pretty
much was- And the fact that I could walk from my side of Maplewood to yours without parental
supervision. Yeah, exactly. That helped too. Exactly. All right guys. So that concludes another
(46:28):
awesome episode of Fat, Dumb, and Happy. Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you. We love
you guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you to Dave and to our special guest expert as always,
Ben. Also, Ben, happy early birthday to you. Coming up in here in about four days. Ben's
gonna have a birthday, so happy birthday to him. Thank you, Ben. Guys, don't forget to rate,
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what you want to hear. You'll take the test. Let us know how you did. Send your personality traits
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(47:14):
just remember, stay fat, dumb, and happy, everybody. Yeah. See you guys.
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