October 7, 2024 • 55 mins
Umbridge is the WORST! In part two of this two-part episode, Dave, Jon, and Ben along with TWO additional special guest experts - Kathy and Kayla, dive deep into Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They talk the themes, favorite scenes, best heroes and worst villains. It's a great time! What would be in your Room of Requirement? Who would you have in your Dumbledore's Army? Listen to the answers and see if you agree!
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Hey, welcome back.
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We hope you enjoy listening to part two of this episode.
All right, so let's move on.
Let's go to order of the Phoenix.
You know, what were some of the biggest themes that you guys saw in order of the Phoenix?
They got their haircut.
Finally.
That's I mean, that's huge, right?
Like it back to the normal hair for crying out loud.
So that's that's something.
What else guys?
My favorite scene.
I'm going to talk about it here in just a moment, but kind of goes along with that.
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What you just said.
Yeah, they got their haircut.
But this is where the film starts to take a real turn.
Yeah, starts getting darker a little bit.
Even the logo.
If you watch the logo in the movies from the beginning to the end, it gets darker and darker and darker.
It just adds to the movie.
So everybody's maturing a little bit more.
Yeah, starting in this one, you know, dressing a little bit better.
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But you know, you're right.
The haircuts everything like that.
That just kind of plays a theme.
But I'll talk about that again in a second.
No, that's true.
You know, the last one they're maturing towards the opposite gender.
In this one, it's like they're taking on some serious adulting almost responsibility.
Yeah, thanks.
Yeah, like they're getting more into that, especially with Dumbledore's army facing some hard stuff.
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Yeah, I think along with that is sort of like a theme of just letting go of the petty stuff.
You know, they're no longer worried about who wins the house cup.
They have people from different houses working together for a more important cause, you know.
Yes.
And I think it's sort of a wake up call for them that like, hey, we got to take this seriously, man.
And it's not just Terry, you know, that's the other thing.
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Everybody starts to realize we can all play a role in helping with the whole Dumbledore's army.
And but not just that.
I mean, just throughout the movie, I felt like there's a little bit more of like you were saying, everybody's going to step up.
Except for Seamus. Seamus still holds a grudge.
Yeah, Seamus is the biggest punk in this one, for sure.
Yeah, I really stopped liking him in this one.
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Was there any other themes that you guys wanted to talk about in Order of the Phoenix?
Yes. So these are kind of heavier themes.
But so Harry watched Cedric die and then coming back and no one believes him.
And I mean, just alone that event, so traumatic, you know, seeing Voldemort, his enemy that's tried to kill him and he's heard so much about.
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And so I think Harry deals with some PTSD symptoms of like reliving the trauma.
Those nightmares, not being able to sleep, distracted, feeling really isolated, irritability, guilt, you know, all those emotions.
He's feeling so alone because no one really quite understands what he went through.
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And he's going through so much because people don't believe him.
And they're, you know, just thinking that he and Dumbledore are liars.
So I think there's also grief, grief cycle in this movie, like throughout the movie too.
Because later on you learn there's loss.
He loses Sirius, his godfather, and he's had so much loss already.
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So like that's kind of these things that I think J.K.
Rowling like really wrote well about.
Yeah.
PTSD and grief, that grief cycle.
Yeah, that's an excellent point, Kathy.
And he does. Going through the cycle and everything and all those feelings that come with it and with nobody being there to agree with him really, except for Dumbledore.
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And Dumbledore completely ignores him in this movie.
So even even the one person he was banking on to have his back non-existent, right?
At least for him in this movie.
OK, anybody else?
They broaden the character base quite a bit in this one, too.
You know, like they introduce Luna, for example.
I'm wearing Luna shades right now.
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Just for those of you who can't see.
You're not wearing them, sir.
You are rocking them.
Yes.
Anyways, and like everyone in the Dumbledore's Army, those those characters, you know, you see in future movies and books like play a pivotal role and the order itself, too.
So it's a big thing for this movie.
You call. All right.
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So we know that in the movie, they're trying to find a place to so they can secretly train behind Umbridge's back.
And we'll get to that crazy lady in a moment.
But they need to find a place and Neville stumbles upon the room of requirement.
What would you have in your own personal room of requirement?
Dave, I'm going to start with you.
All right. So I'm pretty sure my room of requirement would probably be like a food court with like all the restaurants and things that I'm in the mood for at the time.
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I think that would be so awesome to just be like walking down the hall and they really go for some Bascom Robbins right now and just open that up like, you know, have a scoop of, you know, Peter Brown chocolate, whatever.
Just go down the lane, whatever else I'm in the mood for.
I think that would be awesome.
And now I want some Bascom Robbins. Thanks a lot.
You're welcome.
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Okay. Okay.
Kathy, what about you?
I think just like a self-care room.
I think having my own private bathroom would be really nice.
You know, like not having a private, just my own really nice bathroom.
Yes.
I think so Ron mentions that in the movie.
I think he was on the right track there.
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Remember, I think he's like, what else I need to do is the loo.
But I think he's on the right track.
I like the idea of the giant bubble bath idea that's in the try wasn't very good.
Yep.
Yep.
No ghosts.
No ghosts.
No ghosts.
Okay.
All the girly things like nice music, candles, calm, just calm, quiet.
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Oh man.
So nice lady lair.
Lady lair.
Good idea.
Oh, I like that John.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
I need it.
All right.
All right.
All right, Ben, what's in your room of requirements are for me?
I need to have something that I could take with me.
I want like a portable room of requirement.
So like a backpack of requirement or suitcase of requirement or something like that where
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I can like take this with me and get what I need out of it later because genius.
I mean when I'm in the room, I'm safe, you know, it's when I'm away from the room that
I really require things, you know, when I'm in danger and stuff.
So you need Hermione's purse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, she has a lot of things in it, but not everything I need.
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Like she had everything they needed.
She needed the sword a little sooner.
Yeah, that's true too.
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
Kayla, what's up?
What's in your room of requirement?
Young lady.
All right.
In mine, I was thinking I just need a big room with blankets and pillows everywhere that
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I can take a nap comfortably between breaks in school because the amount of time school
would just wear me out and it'd be nice to just like walk in and just crash for a little
bit and then just get back out.
I like.
Okay.
Okay.
Now that's awesome.
You know, I gotta have my internet.
Maybe throw Harry's vault in there and then whatever food I craved at the time, you know,
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kind of along the lines of Dave.
I don't need a whole food court, but just, you know, hey, if it's subway time, boom subway
pops up.
I'm good.
Right.
And it's just there and then it goes away from my next meal.
All right.
Yeah, I like the internet because this is in the 90s dude.
It's like I want some futuristic technology because I know it's awesome.
AOL.
No AOL with a dial up.
Yeah.
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My fiber high speed.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Very good.
Very good.
Those are some fancy rooms of requirements.
So they put together this awesome little army.
Dumbledore's army.
If let's say you guys with characters from the movie had to put together your own army,
but you could only take Harry and yourself plus three.
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Who are you taking?
I like Ben.
Ben, let's go to you first.
Mrs. Weasley.
Nice.
This is my first choice.
Really?
Okay.
She's very protective.
She can get really vicious when she wants to protect her family and everything.
That's mad eye Moody.
Dude, that guy freaks people out.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
He has an intimidation factor, you know.
Yeah.
And then I would say the leader of the centaurs.
Nice.
I mean just the way they took out Umbridge.
They're heroes in my book.
You know, I want them on my team.
Good choices.
And plus Mrs. Weasley can feed an army, you know, she's a she's good at that too.
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People.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think I like yeah, my mom.
Yeah.
Seriously.
No, that's a good point.
That's a good point.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go.
Can't let you're up.
Who's in your army you Harry and who else?
So I put Ginny because she was very powerful spells when it comes to the fifth one, especially.
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Yeah, it was the one that shocked everyone with their spells her mining same thing very
good with spells.
And then I said this is weasley as well because I thought the same reason to the she can feed
an army and she's she was so cool at the end of the movie with no tricks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
Okay.
That's very interesting.
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That lady power Weasley hadn't even crossed my mind.
She wouldn't even live a top 50 people.
I would take with me.
Okay, Dave.
You know, I kind of went fun with this one, but I picked Dobby.
I mean, he's been pretty awesome.
We see later on things he can do to loop in, you know, he's tough and heck if it's a full
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moon, you know, we got that power to with us and then I know it's double doors army.
So I take Dumbledore.
I mean the greatest wizard of all time.
So the other two didn't even really matter.
Okay.
All right, Gaffey.
Yeah, it was hard to decide.
Like I think these are all I'm like, yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
So everyone's I think Hermione like she's so smart.
She would know all the things agreed, you know, and then or just be able to like be
so quick like to figure out problem solving and she's highly logical.
Yes, she is.
She's needed.
She'd be awesome.
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And then honks is feisty and she's in the books a lot too.
You get to know her in the books and and I love her in the books and the movie too.
And then Kingsley I would have Kingsley.
I got it.
Yeah, he's like is the guy and he knows his stuff too.
And he's like a double agent there, you know, okay.
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Okay.
So I'm going to tell you this.
We disagree on villains and heroes, but you and I were right here on the Dumbledore's Army.
All right.
Yeah, because I also would take Hermione obviously same exact reason you said Kingsley.
He was an or right.
So, you know, he's he knows his stuff and I'd also take serious.
Oh, yeah.
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That's my army.
Yeah, I think we're all pretty solid.
Yes.
My army might be as bad as well as Kayla's and Ben's but you know, it's okay.
Okay, well they do serious.
Doesn't look like he is much anyway.
All right.
Okay, so so moving on in this movie in order of the Phoenix.
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Who was your hero who or who was your hero or the hero of the movie Dave?
I'm going to start with you.
All right.
I picked another one of those like you could say it for everyone.
But this one I picked Ron the first bit, you know, he's kind of jealous and things like that.
But then when he comes around, he's really got Harry's back, you know, he defends him.
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He's there with him.
And I just like Ron as a character and as an actor.
He's funny.
He's just a likable guy.
So he's my favorite in this one.
He's come a long way since Wizard chest, right?
Yep.
Yep.
Okay.
All right, Kathy, let's go right back to you.
For me, it was serious because he provides a place for the order of the Phoenix to meet.
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Right.
My quarters and he's someone that feels like family to Harry.
Finally, you know, like that Harry has somebody that's like this is he's my family, you know,
his Godfather that can love him and support him.
He gives him advice and that he has that is so important.
Like especially when he's having such a hard time, he doesn't get to talk to a lot because
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it's all crazy, you know, but still that like connection with Sirius and then he fights
to protect Harry.
I love that that he fights for him and he ends up giving his life to protect Harry too.
But yeah, great scene when they're fighting together.
Quick question.
Which fire serious do you like better the fourth one or the fifth one?
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Yeah, I think about that the last time I go through so far just for people to remember
Harry needs to talk to serious they communicate and serious is able to talk to him through
the fireplace and he's in the actual fire.
But he's kind of shown in two different ways.
The first one is kind of him just in the flames for the second one.
Yeah, actual fire.
And the second one is more of like a reflection kind of in the smoke.
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But for me, I'll just answer real quick.
So yeah, for me, it was the first one.
I thought he looked cool in the first one.
He was a little bit harder to see in the second one, but it was still really cool how they
did that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anybody else?
I think I like the first one better.
You like the first one better too, Ben?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.
First one looks cooler.
Yeah.
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I didn't like it.
I thought it was so distracting to me.
I got you.
Yeah.
He was breathing all weird too.
Like, you know, and that was like, what's wrong with you?
I don't breathe.
There's a lot of smoke in the fireplace.
Yeah.
Distracting.
So the other one I like better because I'm focusing on what he's saying and not like,
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hey, are you gonna die?
Dave, what about you?
I like the first one better because it's, yeah, he's like the actual fire, which is
like, I think kind of cool to think about, but I totally get what you're saying, Kathy.
And I, it's funny because I feel like in the magical world, I think he would do it the
second way.
Like it makes more sense that he would just be like kind of projected from the fire maybe,
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but I just like that he is actual coals and stuff.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Very creative.
Yeah, very creative.
Super creative.
Yeah, good side question, man.
Okay.
Ben, what about you?
Who is your favorite hero or who was the hero in the movie for you?
I mean, the centers have got to be it because they're the ones that took out Umbridge.
I mean, that just had to happen for me.
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That just had to happen.
So whoever took out her was my hero.
Good answer.
All right.
That leaves you, Kayla.
All right.
So yeah, my favorite hero is, yeah, Jenny.
She's kind of been shown a little bit more girl power in this one.
I already mentioned that before though, but I like how she was like a side character,
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but yet like a main character in some parts of the film.
Yeah, it really like transitions her from being like just a younger sister to like,
okay, she's got something she can bring to the story and everything else.
Yeah, for sure.
What was the spell she used at the Department of Mysteries?
Reducto.
Reducto.
Yes, that's right.
I got something to say about that.
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Okay.
All right.
So my hero of the movie is Dumbledore.
And here's why.
For as little as he's shown throughout the movie compared to the other ones, he saves
Harry at the hearing in front of the whole ministry.
He saves Trelawney from getting kicked out of Hogwarts.
He took the heat for the Dumbledore's army.
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He's the reason that Mr. Weasley was saved via the paintings.
And then obviously when he shows up to fight and I love how he calls him Tom, he's like,
you should have showed up here tonight, Tom.
It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom.
The orders are on their way.
Yeah, that's like a slap in the face.
I love the fact that he calls him Tom.
And then they have the awesome battle, of course.
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Dude, the battle is so good too.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Like whistle with the water.
Yeah, I love it.
I like how he's throwing Harry back and protect him and everything at the same time.
I think Mr. Weasley would be dead without him.
So I think that he was the hero.
That's just my opinion.
You make some really good points, John.
And the only thing I would add is I wish that he called him Tommy boy instead.
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Tommy like wingy.
The Baltimore's like, not here, not here, but right here.
Yeah, exactly.
Do I have a mark on my face?
It really hurts.
Nope, nothing.
I thought I hit you on the shoulder.
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My shoulder doesn't hurt very much, but my face does.
Right here.
Not here or here so much, but right here.
Nope.
Shift shape.
All right.
All right.
So if that's our heroes, who was your villain?
Kayla, you're first.
And this is probably going to be pretty unanimous, but let's go ahead.
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Right.
I mean, Umbridge, that's probably the one I hate the most.
I mean, the things she does literally just irritates me.
Yeah.
The worst.
Yeah.
And obviously, you know, we need to mention it.
That's just a credit as to how well she played the character that we hate her as much as
we do.
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But I can go through and ask you guys if you want me to, but it's pretty much unanimous
that we all think Umbridge is the villain of the movie.
And I think one of the key parts that makes her the villain is when she's making him write
the lines and then engraves onto his skin.
Oh, yeah.
But then he turns around with the centaurs and says, must not tell lies.
Just classic.
I mean, do you want me to ask you guys, are we all pretty much on the same page about
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Umbridge being the villain in this one?
Yeah.
Just one thing I chime in about it is that in the books, you miss this little detail
that like they have drawings with it, which is really fun.
Even in the original paperbacks or whatever, each chapter has a drawing.
And for Umbridge, she's described as having this really wide mouth, like a frog or a toad
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or whatever, and really stout, short and wide.
And so the creature itself almost makes it like makes you not like her more in the book.
Yeah, she's such a good actress that you just hate her.
Yeah.
Well, Umbridge, but then also like the minister magic, but he's, oh my gosh, like the both
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of them together, they're just not living in reality.
You know, like they're in total denial and just the control like over everyone and everything
and then discrediting, carrying double door and doing it publicly.
That's the worst.
Yeah.
Definitely totally understand what you're saying about the ministry because they're
just trying to gaslight everybody, man.
That's not good.
Yeah.
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That's a good point.
All right.
Umbridge is the worst, but you know, good for her.
I think.
All right.
So what are some of your favorite scenes in the movie?
Because there's so many great ones in this one.
Ben, let's start with you.
I love when Fred and George go out with a bang, you know, when they, yes, they're like, just
screw it.
We're going to do this, you know, the visual is so great with that whole scene.
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Yeah.
With the dragon and everything.
And then all the glass breaking with all the rules and everything.
Yeah, even getting crab that gets shot in the rear with his fireworks and Draco's like
scared face.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm very well done.
That's a good, that's definitely a good scene.
Dave, what about you?
Oh, I love the Dumbledore's army training scenes, just like Harry, you know, rooting
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them on and teaching them and them each trying and even like some funny scenes in there,
like Ron versus Hermione and you know, that whole deal and the music.
I mean, this whole movie has great music.
I know Kayla loves the soundtrack for this one, right?
The music for the training scenes is great.
Don't worry.
I'll go easy on you.
Don't worry.
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I'll go easy on you.
Thanks, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
One second.
You're on.
Thank you.
Shut up.
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I let her do that.
It's good manners, isn't it?
It's completely intentional.
All right.
All right, Kathy.
So I had a couple of it.
I really liked that scene when Harry saves Dudley from the Dementors.
Agreed.
And I don't know, this is like kind of the psychology of these ones that like, I really
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like Harry, you know, he's going through this PTSD, right?
Cedric dying in Voldemort and stuff.
He's been isolated and Dudley is like taunting him and like, your mom is dead and who are
you crying about in the night?
You know, basically like, this...
Terrible.
...he's thinking about his trauma, you know, and he gets reactive.
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Understandably, right?
Yeah, he's reactive.
And, but when trouble comes and Dementors come, his character so quickly, he saves Dudley.
Run, you know, like run Dudley.
And then he saves him with his experimental patronum, you know, spell and then gets him
home.
I think that shows a lot of his character because he's bullying him as his enemy.
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But when it comes to it, like he, Harry is going to protect.
And you know, often like in the books, like Hermione is like, don't play the hero.
And like Voldemort is going to play to that.
Like in this movie, like that you're going to be the hero.
But that's Harry.
Like that's a good part of him.
That he wants to protect people.
It's really important to him to protect people and do what he feels is right.
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You know, even his enemies.
And then like the other one is when Voldemort possesses like Harry's body and the atrium
of the ministry.
And it's a little, it's shorter, it's different in the book than the movie, but I really appreciated
they show kind of the struggle that Harry has.
Who am I?
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You know, and that he gets to choose that.
And he is different than Voldemort because he does have friendship and he has love.
So I love that.
There's this quote from David O. McKay, like the greatest battle of life is fought within
the silent chambers of our own soul.
And that they interpreted that so well with those little like the montage of Harry, you
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know, and Voldemort and that struggle.
And we all, the struggles like inside of our own souls.
Good.
The struggle is real.
And very valid.
Very valid point.
Kayla.
All right.
My favorite scene is expecto patronum scene where they're all learning expecto patronum.
I mean the music that song double doge army is my favorite song.
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The whole soundtrack.
It's very upbeat and fun.
And it's very interesting to see like all the different students animals that they're
expected patronum like takes after their reactions and seeing like how, you know, good they
are.
It's short, but it's like fun to watch.
Yes.
For not just Harry, but like other students too.
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Excellent.
Excellent.
And mine kind of goes along with what you were saying, Kathy.
My favorite scene is it's kind of long, but I'll just bookend it is from the very opening
scene come in on the dark clouds and the playground and the wind, you know, blowing the death
trap around that we used to write on as kids, the circle thing.
Yeah.
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And you know, and immediately, you know, Dudley comes over and Harry's like beat up another
10 year old.
Did you this one deserved it?
But then he goes, at least I wasn't crying to my pillow.
Right.
Who said you said your boyfriend?
Right.
And then he starts going in on his mom.
And that's when like what you were talking about, Kathy, that's when he starts getting
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defensive.
He pulls out his wand and puts it up to him and he's like, and then the weather starts
getting worse and worse.
Well, the mentors are coming and he's like, what are you doing?
And even though he was talking, he was going hard on him to like you said, the PTSD, he's
got that on his mind.
Cedric just died.
He's got he's talking about his mom.
And here he knows something's happening.
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But his first instinct was actually to save him even from the storm.
He knew what he knew something was going on.
He's like Dudley run.
And so they go in there, they go in the little tunnel and he saves them there and things
shows up like a rock star and go into the ministry.
Again, one of those scenes where Mr. Weasley is fascinated by the technology of the muggles
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with the card going into the reader and everything like that.
And then using the visitors entrance to the hearing, the hearing itself.
You know, I just just thought the whole thing, him finding out that even though he felt alone
in the PTSD that you were talking about, that Dumbledore sent Mrs. Figgs to keep an eye
on him, I thought was super cool.
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Yeah.
Right.
And he's like, she's like, how do you know about this stuff?
And don't put the way you want that whole opening scene.
I just thought was phenomenally done.
And then him showing up three hours early to the ministry.
Yeah.
So that's mine.
And again, back to even to the WB logo getting darker.
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It just was sheer on out.
How did you get darker?
I like it.
I like it a lot.
Same.
Okay.
Very good.
Very good.
Where are we at?
Okay.
So real quick, let's go through some of your favorite quotes.
Kayla, you're first.
What's up?
What was one of your one or two or three or five of your favorite quotes in this movie?
Okay.
So I think one of my favorite quotes was when Harry is possessed by Voldemort and they're
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going through these scenes of his life.
Like at first they're hard and traumatic.
Like Voldemort is trying to make Harry realize like, you're just like me.
You're just as bad as me.
You know, we're the same.
And then Harry fights off those instincts and realizes like, no, like I am a good person.
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And you know, he says the quote that I picked was, you're the weak one and you'll never
know love or friendship.
And I feel sorry for you.
Yes.
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Like that realization of no, you know, this love and friends that I have in my life is
what makes me a better person and makes me want to fight for these people when Voldemort
is just by himself.
And also like in that scene, the face that Voldemort makes, it kind of like drops too.
Like it's interesting when people realize like, oh, he's got a point, but like I can't
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carry that out.
Yeah.
Like am I being petty?
Yeah.
Okay.
Now that's a great scene and a great quote.
Yep.
Excellent.
Cathy.
So I love all, I just, there's so many, but when Harry's like teaching them, he says,
learning hard is important, but there's something that matters even more believing in yourself.
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Think of it this way.
Every great wizard in history has started out as nothing more than what we are now.
Students, if they can do it, why not us?
So I just love, I love that scene and that they're able to like do all these hard spells
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with his help and motivation and, and believing in yourself.
You know, I think that's, that is important.
Working hard is important, but believing in yourself and we can learn things.
So I love that.
Any others?
I like this quote, but I think I might have Dave say it cause I can't read it very well.
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Dave, go ahead and quote him.
Or Kingsley's like, well, you may not like a minister, but you can't deny double doors
got style.
Yes.
Yes.
That was pretty good.
Yeah.
And Cathy, I agree.
That was actually one of my quotes too.
So that's a good one.
Ben.
So it's one serious black says, you're not a bad person.
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You're a very good person who bad things have happened to.
You understand?
The world isn't split into good people and death eaters.
We've all got both light and dark inside of us.
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What matters is the part we choose to act on.
That's who we really are.
Powerful stuff from serious man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a great quote.
Love it.
Yep.
All right, Dave.
Well, I knew I could count on you guys to pick some really meaningful and good quotes
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for sure.
It's all one of our favorites, right?
One of my favorite quotes is just when Dumbledore comes into the hearing.
Witness for the defense.
All of us personal, Wolf Frick, Brian Dumbledore.
I love that.
Just how long his name is and the pause and Brian.
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Brian just doesn't seem like a fits in there.
Right.
That's a great.
Yeah.
Brian Dumbledore.
The pause is what makes that right there, though.
Yes.
All right.
So I chose a couple at the same place right there at the hearing.
I'm like, well, because you got nobody that can prove this happened.
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And Albus was like, in fact, we do.
And so then the next thing you see, Mrs. Figgs on the giant chair and your feet aren't even
touching the ground.
And Amelia was like, what did they look like?
Well, one of them was very large and the other rather skinny.
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Not the boys, the Dementors.
Yes, I love that too.
And then, you know, Harry just sees the Thestrals and they're about to go to Hogwarts.
On their little carriage.
This is where we meet Luna Lovegood and Hermione is the one that introduces Luna to everybody.
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She's like, everyone, this is Looney Love.
And then she realized that she said Looney, not Luna.
But her face of embarrassment and shock was just like perfect.
Yeah, so good.
Yeah, so good.
So good.
And then here is a deleted scene that Peacock showed me as well.
And after Seamus confronts Harry Potter in the Gryffindor common room, there's what I
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believe is a deleted scene where as Ron and Harry Potter are going to their room, it pans
over to Neville, who again defends Harry Potter and he says, my grand says it's the Daily
Prophet that's rubbish.
She canceled our subscription.
But I thought they could have left that in there because it's just showing him defending
Harry again.
I just thought that was a kind of neat little scene that I'd never seen before.
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Yeah, so.
Nice.
All right.
So Kayla, what were some of the differences between the books and the movies?
So yeah, this one had some more because the book was a bit longer than the movie, like
thick wise.
This was probably the biggest, I think.
I think of all the books in the whole series.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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All right.
So first I'll start with who finds the room requirement.
It was actually Dobby that finds the room requirement, not Neville.
Dobby doesn't appear in the film adaptation of The Order of the Phoenix, but in the book,
he's the one to tell Harry about the room requirement.
The room requirement helps Abbey treat Winky whenever she becomes drunk from drinking too
much butter beer.
The film shows Neville stumbling upon the room requirement instead.
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The end result is the same, though as the room requirement becomes the secret headquarters
and practice area for Dumbledore's army.
Another small detail that was in the book was there was no quidditch in the movie.
The novel features some intriguing quidditch storylines as Umbridge bans Harry from playing
quidditch ever again and Ron becomes the keeper of the Gryffindor team.
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For the first time in the series, the Gryffindor team has to find a way to win without Harry.
Jenny joins the team and both she and Ron rise to the occasion as they lead Gryffindor
to win the Quidditch Cup.
None of these statements are incorporated into the film.
In fact, there is no quidditch in the film at all.
The Beards don't see Ron become keeper of the Gryffindor team until the moving adaptation
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of the Half-Blood Prince.
Did these movies even read the books?
Did these books even watch the movies?
Man, that's crazy.
This one was definitely a big one, but the person that betrays Dumbledore's army.
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So Dumbledore's army uses the room requirements as their headquarters and practice area until
they are betrayed.
Cho Chang's friend, Merida, is responsible for this betrayal in the book.
Merida's mother works for the ministry and she never wanted to join the secret organization
and was dragged there by Cho.
Merida leaks information to Umbridge that allows her to expose the DA.
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Since Merida doesn't exist in the movie, Cho is the one who betrays the DA, although in
her case, information is parted unwillingly.
Yeah, it's a smart Cho in the book.
St. Mungo's Hospital.
This one was a big one because Arthur Weasley is sent to St. Mungo's Hospital for magical
maladies and injuries after he is attacked by Nanjini.
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None of the St. Mungo scenes from the books are included in the movie beyond Harry, Hermione,
and the Weasleys visiting Arthur.
Book readers also get to see Neville visiting his parents who have been hospitalized at
St. Mungo's ever since they are brutally tortured by Barty Crouch Jr. and the Lestrange.
It's a heartbreaking moment that provides more context and insight into Neville's character.
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Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny also see Gilderoy Lockhart at St. Mungo's and Lockhart's memory
is still severely damaged.
Yeah, it's kind of fun to see him in there.
Can't remember anything.
Hey man.
That's crazy.
And sad about Neville.
Yeah, that tender moment with his parents.
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Yeah.
I think he hangs around a lot more than I would have thought.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a bigger part in the book.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Ferenzy teaching divination is one that we're about to.
Doris Umbridge sacks Sybil Trelawney in the book and in the movie.
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A replacement teacher is never shown in the movie, but in the book, Dumbledore hires the
centaur Ferenzy to teach divination in Trelawney's absence.
Soon after Professor Trelawney is restrained, Ferenzy continues to teach divination at Hogwarts
and his centaur colony casts him out.
Ferenzy also fights in the Battle of Hogwarts.
His only film appearance is in The Sorcerer's Stone, though.
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Interesting.
He becomes a teacher in the school.
It's pretty cool.
And like a lot of the girls kind of have little crushes on him because he's like a buff centaur.
Why do the centaurs cast him out?
They're kind of not as cool with the humans, really, you know, like, yeah, because they've
been treated so poorly by so many of them, I think.
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Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that makes sense.
All right.
What's the other one?
All right.
Last one.
Rooms omitted from the Department of Mysteries.
The Department of Mysteries contains many rooms that aren't featured in the film.
The most memorable of these is probably the brain room or brains with tentacles attached
to them latch onto Ron and begin suffocating him.
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Another notable room not in the films is the time room where the ministry keeps their time
turners.
All the ministry's time turners are destroyed when Harry and his friends fight the Death
Eaters in the time room.
The movie condenses in the battle of the Department of Mysteries by focusing on the Hall of Prophecy
in the death chamber where Sirius falls through the veil.
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Yeah, it's fun in the book.
And so there's interesting rooms and it's crazy.
Good thing Hermione already made it to all of her classes.
Yeah.
Yup.
One thing I want to mention too that wasn't in there, but how Harry and Cho's relationship
ends in the book versus the movie.
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It wasn't because of Cho betraying them, but instead it kind of just fizzled out in the
book.
They just like each other in the end, which I thought was interesting.
Yeah.
Good one.
Yep, for sure.
Because in the movie it's just like the betrayal, was it?
They talked to you after that.
Actually in the movie even they realized it was fair to see him, but still it was like
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damage was done or something, huh?
Yeah, right.
So I had a couple thoughts on this movie.
So two things.
Well, right out of the gate, Harry knew that he's been attacked by Dementors.
He knew chocolate would help.
Why didn't he get any chocolate to Dudley to help him?
Yeah.
Instead of Vernon say he was all funny, duddy or whatever.
Yeah.
I love that line.
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It was just to help him at least.
Happy are we now?
Hey, you've finally done it.
You've finally driven him loopy.
Look at him Petunia.
Our boy has gone yumpy.
My thoughts just in my brain, you know, it's obviously not like canon or anything, but
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I just imagine that he eats so much chocolate.
He already has a stash.
He's going to be taken care of.
But like this guy's probably living on chocolate all the time anyway.
That's a good boy, man.
And did you notice that when Harry is teaching Dumbledore Limey, yeah, he wears a nice little
vest just like Lupin does when he's teaching.
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One thing I did find, I think Ginny is just destructive.
Okay.
Yeah.
She's like the she's like the female Seamus.
Okay.
And she blows up the little it looks like a dementor, but everybody's like pushing her
around and she blows it up with the reducto.
But then in the hall of what do they call it?
The department of mysteries?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Every single one of those little snow globes with the prophecies, she reductos again and
they all fall and crash all over the place.
She just ruined like future history.
Like what the heck?
I mean, I think in the books they portray her as more powerful than she is in the movies.
But man, that girl does some damage.
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And it might be this way in the books, but if you watch this movie with subtitles on
when they're in the headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix creature, it's just straight
up talking trash about every single person in that room.
That's crazy.
I didn't notice that until I watched it.
The subtitles.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, these are just talking trash about everybody that's there.
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Why don't we ever see the girls dormitory in Gryffindor?
We're at the whole movies.
We don't ever see it.
I just thought that was weird.
I just thought that was weird.
If to be able to see a Thestral, you have to witness death.
How did they all fly on a Thestral to the ministry?
Yeah.
I've wanted to see like what's the version that they see the people that don't see the
Thestrals, you know, just like they're straddling nothing or seeing them like fly around with
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nothing under them.
I think that'd be cool to see.
Yeah, just to feel it.
I guess.
Maybe.
However, after they fight everybody, when they have that battle in the Department of
Mysteries, they all witness the death of Sirius.
So after that, they could they could definitely see it.
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But yeah, I just thought that was interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One small detail in the movie that I don't quite understand is how come Harry was able
to see the Thestrals after he saw Cedric Diggory die?
Like he technically saw his mom die when he was a baby, but maybe he doesn't remember.
I don't know.
Like I don't get why.
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That was a good point.
Yeah, that's a really good point.
I just figured the only reason he was able to see the Thestrals was because of Cedric.
Yeah.
But like she's saying, why can't he see it before?
How do you know that he saw it?
Because it was a reflection.
It bounced off of the curse, bounced off of him.
You know, I guess there was some like there's some black edges.
So it had to be a bright, right?
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Because whenever you see them using a lot of cadaver, there's always a big light when
they're, you know.
Yeah, that's true.
Maybe he didn't.
Yeah.
He you see him in the clips of him like in the crib, just crying, looking out at his
mom.
But maybe he didn't see the actual death.
Yeah, like it was as we're blurry from the tears, maybe.
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Yeah, that's true.
When you're a baby, can't you only see so far?
I don't know.
That's interesting.
No, that's your thoughts.
Good thoughts.
Yeah, I just figured this.
I guess I had never thought about that, Cale.
I just, you know, I just assumed because of Cedric.
I guess that's what the movies anyway, that's what they wanted everybody to assume.
Yeah.
Good point.
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Using your noggin.
Cathy.
I think too.
I think, you know, when Harry is first introduced, the dementors on the train, he blacks out
and he hears his mom, like what he's screaming.
And it's his mom and like Lupin just explains like it's because of what happened to you
when you were babies.
So yeah, like there's that connection.
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But how did, yeah, it doesn't make sense that part.
Like, yeah, it doesn't see the sessuals because his body or his brain remembers, like keeps
that score of like, you know, that trauma as a baby.
That's true.
And he has, that's why the dementors have such an impact on him.
So I don't know.
Anyways, just thoughts.
Yeah, good thoughts.
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Yeah.
Good show.
Yeah, good thought, Kayla.
Good job, Kayla.
Thanks.
So I was going to talk about the parties that we've done and some of the decorations for
the Triwizard Tournament.
We got this glowing Triwizard Cup, which was so fun to find.
Like I think we got it at Target anyways, but that was fun to do.
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I had like a potions silver platter tray, but like Gillyweed was in there.
Yep.
I think I got like a big bottle and I did fresh herbs and another, it was like this
lettuce kind of thing.
I was just trying to like do something that was green.
And then signs, like we put like the Dolores Finequisitor signs up all over, like all her
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little rolls and stuff.
We put those.
Yeah.
There's so many of those, right?
So you can pick whatever.
The Wanted Bellatrix Strange sign.
We printed a big poster of like the three broomstick sign.
We put that up and we even had some of the Halloween, they sell like those cinnamon kind
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of broomsticks that they have like wooden, you know, looks like twigs put together.
Like we had those and then school book covers.
And then I had little, from IKEA, little frame stands with all the quotes like that we loved
from the book and the movie.
And then miniature dragons in a bag, you know, the Triwizard Cup too.
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And then food, the Dragon's Red Dip.
Pumpkin pasties are mentioned by Cho Chang on the trolley on the train.
Pumpkin pasties?
Pumpkin pasties.
So I did my little take on those.
So that was kind of the decorations and food.
And then Kayla, she is an expert here on the games for sure.
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So yeah, one of the favorite things that I did in the Harry Potter parties is we have
like a Harry Potter scene it that we play.
It's limited though, because it has like four players, but we just did teams, which was
fun.
That one's a favorite.
You could probably find it on Amazon, maybe.
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It's funny because we played it recently as a family.
And for some reason, every time somebody got my play, it was the same scene.
Like DVD glitched or something.
And it was the scene where Harry kisses Cho.
And it was like, we saw it seriously like seven times in a row.
Every time it came up, we're like, ah!
I'm just like all yelling like, this is what the heck?
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Especially like Kaden, because he's like seeing them kiss again and stuff.
You know, that's so funny.
Yeah, pull up nargles.
Yeah, one of my favorite Harry Potter games that I like to play, especially this Hogwarts
Legacy, very interactive.
It's hard to do character customization personally.
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That's the only complaint I have about that game.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's on the Switch and PS4 or PS5.
That's probably the only ways you can play that game.
Yeah, Uncle Ben's played it too.
I don't know if you want to mention anything about it too.
Yeah, I mean, it's a really fun game.
It's funny.
I mean, it's not like taking place during these movies necessarily, because it's happening
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before, but they definitely have little illusions like maybe ancestors of some of the characters
or some of the spells that show up and things like that, that you make connections with
the movies for sure.
Don't they have an app as well that has that game?
Or maybe it's a different version.
But yeah, you want to talk about phone games?
Yeah.
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There are a few Harry Potter games that I've gotten before.
I don't play them as much, but they definitely were fun.
One of my favorites that I like is Harry Potter Hogwarts Mystery.
This one's also like an interactive game.
Like the timeline, it's where Harry would be seven or eight years old.
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And yeah, the point of Hogwarts Mystery is that your so-called brother causes some mischief
at Hogwarts that's related to Voldemort.
And you're trying to figure out what it is and how to stalk.
You're kind of like the chosen one, but like in many versions of the chosen one.
Yeah.
Is that the one where you have two guys wanting to take you to the ball or whatever?
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Yeah.
Their relationship sucks them.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, that is fun.
Yeah, that is fun.
That is awesome.
Another phone game is Harry Potter Magic Awakens.
This one's more of like a dueling game.
That one's also like an interactive game.
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It's kind of like where I can't think of any games that are like this at the moment, but
like you draw cards and you collect cards and certain cards gives you certain power-ups
and abilities and dueling that can help you defeat things.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's awesome, Kayla.
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There's also a board game that's called Hogwarts Battle.
You can go through all the years and it takes you time to go through each level of the game.
And recently, my sister-in-law was talking about how she got together with some friends
and they're like, let's play this game.
And they played the whole game and all the extender packs.
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Nice.
They went through all of them and they played this for weeks.
They would pick up the game and just played it on and I was like, that is so awesome.
I want to do that.
I don't know if anyone wants to do that with me.
Yeah, let's do it.
That would be so fun.
Yeah, okay.
It's awesome.
So something that gets introduced a little bit more in this movie, we kind of see it
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throughout all the movies, but are the magical forms of transportation.
So for you guys, what would be your magical form of transportation of choice?
To you, John, first.
Simple.
I've told you all this in a previous episode when we talked about powers or something like
that.
Mine will be teleportation.
So I want to get to where I want to go.
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And that's it.
Right.
I'll talk about that time and time again.
No lines, no airports, nothing, no drives, no flying.
Let me just get there.
And so I want to evaporate.
All right.
What about you, Ben?
I think I'd probably just go with the broom, man.
I feel like that one is so accessible.
Like you can take it anywhere basically and go anywhere.
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And I think it would just be fun to fly like that, you know, have the control.
Heck yeah.
There must be some kind of magic that like provides more thumb support, though, you know,
like right.
There's got to be something that makes you feel okay sitting on that thing for a while.
I felt like Professor Moody had one that had like some butt support.
Oh, yeah.
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He's got yeah.
He's got some like, yeah, he's got like a low rider, you know, motorcycle type broom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
What about you, Kayla?
I'll go with the hippogriff and thatch roll.
Yeah.
I feel like that would be more fun and like definitely cute.
I like animals.
So I mean, riding an animal to wherever I want to go that flies.
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No more airplanes.
Just ride on an animal to wherever I need to go.
Heck yeah.
That's the perfect fit for you.
I was going to tell everybody that Kayla is an animal lover for sure.
That makes sense.
A little buck beak action.
Yeah.
Buck beak.
Heck yeah.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
All right.
Kathy, what about you?
I have a flying motorcycle.
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Yes.
A little more stable and secure with like handles.
I'd feel a little better driving motorcycle in the air, not around other cars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I call the sidecar.
I can take the ride with you for sure.
So you're taking the Hagrid's.
Yes.
Okay.
Do the loopty loop on the tunnel.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
All right.
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For my choice, it's the port key.
I mean, it's kind of like apparating, but I don't know.
It's kind of cool.
I mean, you grab onto it and spin around.
My only thing is like, I have to be able to land like Mr. Weasley just like slowly.
Because if you slam down like those other guys, I feel so bad for them.
That'll clear your sinuses, eh?
Jerk.
That's good.
You didn't tell them either.
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Yeah, not at all.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like the moment of.
I'm like, Harry, grab it now.
Why is he putting it around that banky old boot?
Yeah, exactly.
All right, Ben.
Why don't you close us out with some of your thoughts around the psychology of these two
movies?
So kind of like what Kathy was talking about, there's a lot in both the movies and books
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about resiliency and dealing with trauma and hard things, you know?
So in Goblet of Fire, I think one of the biggest ones they show really again and again is how
accepting help and helping others is something that really improves resiliency.
And they've shown this again and again in studies where those who have faced hard things,
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if they can one, accept help, but also get outside of themselves and help other people,
that's going to improve their dealing process.
They show that a lot in Goblet of Fire, where none of them could have completed all the
trials without somebody's help.
In Order of the Phoenix, it's interesting because it's very similar to like when there's
tragedies like hurricanes and earthquakes, where everyone in a community is affected,
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people are able to look past their differences and work together, people that don't normally
work together, you know?
And that's also a way of increasing resiliency.
And we see that with Dumbledore's army, where people from different houses are working together
after having to deal with Umbridge.
Like it's suddenly becomes apparent that there's something bigger that's more important that
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they have to deal with and they can't deal with it on their own.
They really can't.
It's like overwhelming, you know?
And so everyone is sort of forced to help each other, you know?
And I think that's such a powerful theme that you see in real life.
Anytime when everyone's affected, kind of as a wake-up call to look outside yourself
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and be able to like gather together.
You know, so I think that's the psychology of that is something that you see, I don't
know, throughout the books, but especially in these two, you know?
I love it.
Yeah, I can attest to that.
We just had the hurricane here, what, three weeks ago?
We have a hurricane season.
And you know, that tragedy that affects everybody, they all come together here, man.
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Yeah.
Did you have some people, some friends in your place, John, too, during that hurricane?
I was lucky enough to have power and they did not, so they stayed the entire week with
me and, you know, it was a struggle, but we all got through it and came out on the other
side, man.
It's like you got to do, you know, to help each other out.
You have to do it.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, just like Ben said, I mean, it's, you know, something bigger than the differences
or the challenges we have.
You just pull together.
I like that a lot, for sure.
Thanks, Ben.
Yeah.
And Harry is, I mean, all of them, so resilient, but especially Harry, right?
Love it.
All right.
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Thanks everyone.
Thanks to John and Dave, of course.
And, but also special thanks for our special guests, Kathy and Kayla.
And of course, always thanks for everyone for listening and make sure you rate and subscribe.
And as always, stay fat, dumb and happy.
Bye guys.
That was awesome.
See you guys.
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We hope you enjoy listening to part two of this episode.
All right, so let's move on.
Let's go to order of the Phoenix.
You know, what were some of the biggest themes that you guys saw in order of the Phoenix?
They got their haircut.
Finally.
That's I mean, that's huge, right?
Like it back to the normal hair for crying out loud.
So that's that's something.
What else guys?
My favorite scene.
I'm going to talk about it here in just a moment, but kind of goes along with that.
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What you just said.
Yeah, they got their haircut.
But this is where the film starts to take a real turn.
Yeah, starts getting darker a little bit.
Even the logo.
If you watch the logo in the movies from the beginning to the end, it gets darker and darker and darker.
It just adds to the movie.
So everybody's maturing a little bit more.
Yeah, starting in this one, you know, dressing a little bit better.
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But you know, you're right.
The haircuts everything like that.
That just kind of plays a theme.
But I'll talk about that again in a second.
No, that's true.
You know, the last one they're maturing towards the opposite gender.
In this one, it's like they're taking on some serious adulting almost responsibility.
Yeah, thanks.
Yeah, like they're getting more into that, especially with Dumbledore's army facing some hard stuff.
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Yeah, I think along with that is sort of like a theme of just letting go of the petty stuff.
You know, they're no longer worried about who wins the house cup.
They have people from different houses working together for a more important cause, you know.
Yes.
And I think it's sort of a wake up call for them that like, hey, we got to take this seriously, man.
And it's not just Terry, you know, that's the other thing.
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Everybody starts to realize we can all play a role in helping with the whole Dumbledore's army.
And but not just that.
I mean, just throughout the movie, I felt like there's a little bit more of like you were saying, everybody's going to step up.
Except for Seamus. Seamus still holds a grudge.
Yeah, Seamus is the biggest punk in this one, for sure.
Yeah, I really stopped liking him in this one.
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Was there any other themes that you guys wanted to talk about in Order of the Phoenix?
Yes. So these are kind of heavier themes.
But so Harry watched Cedric die and then coming back and no one believes him.
And I mean, just alone that event, so traumatic, you know, seeing Voldemort, his enemy that's tried to kill him and he's heard so much about.
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And so I think Harry deals with some PTSD symptoms of like reliving the trauma.
Those nightmares, not being able to sleep, distracted, feeling really isolated, irritability, guilt, you know, all those emotions.
He's feeling so alone because no one really quite understands what he went through.
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And he's going through so much because people don't believe him.
And they're, you know, just thinking that he and Dumbledore are liars.
So I think there's also grief, grief cycle in this movie, like throughout the movie too.
Because later on you learn there's loss.
He loses Sirius, his godfather, and he's had so much loss already.
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So like that's kind of these things that I think J.K.
Rowling like really wrote well about.
Yeah.
PTSD and grief, that grief cycle.
Yeah, that's an excellent point, Kathy.
And he does. Going through the cycle and everything and all those feelings that come with it and with nobody being there to agree with him really, except for Dumbledore.
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And Dumbledore completely ignores him in this movie.
So even even the one person he was banking on to have his back non-existent, right?
At least for him in this movie.
OK, anybody else?
They broaden the character base quite a bit in this one, too.
You know, like they introduce Luna, for example.
I'm wearing Luna shades right now.
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Just for those of you who can't see.
You're not wearing them, sir.
You are rocking them.
Yes.
Anyways, and like everyone in the Dumbledore's Army, those those characters, you know, you see in future movies and books like play a pivotal role and the order itself, too.
So it's a big thing for this movie.
You call. All right.
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So we know that in the movie, they're trying to find a place to so they can secretly train behind Umbridge's back.
And we'll get to that crazy lady in a moment.
But they need to find a place and Neville stumbles upon the room of requirement.
What would you have in your own personal room of requirement?
Dave, I'm going to start with you.
All right. So I'm pretty sure my room of requirement would probably be like a food court with like all the restaurants and things that I'm in the mood for at the time.
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I think that would be so awesome to just be like walking down the hall and they really go for some Bascom Robbins right now and just open that up like, you know, have a scoop of, you know, Peter Brown chocolate, whatever.
Just go down the lane, whatever else I'm in the mood for.
I think that would be awesome.
And now I want some Bascom Robbins. Thanks a lot.
You're welcome.
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Okay. Okay.
Kathy, what about you?
I think just like a self-care room.
I think having my own private bathroom would be really nice.
You know, like not having a private, just my own really nice bathroom.
Yes.
I think so Ron mentions that in the movie.
I think he was on the right track there.
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Remember, I think he's like, what else I need to do is the loo.
But I think he's on the right track.
I like the idea of the giant bubble bath idea that's in the try wasn't very good.
Yep.
Yep.
No ghosts.
No ghosts.
No ghosts.
Okay.
All the girly things like nice music, candles, calm, just calm, quiet.
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Oh man.
So nice lady lair.
Lady lair.
Good idea.
Oh, I like that John.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
I need it.
All right.
All right.
All right, Ben, what's in your room of requirements are for me?
I need to have something that I could take with me.
I want like a portable room of requirement.
So like a backpack of requirement or suitcase of requirement or something like that where
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I can like take this with me and get what I need out of it later because genius.
I mean when I'm in the room, I'm safe, you know, it's when I'm away from the room that
I really require things, you know, when I'm in danger and stuff.
So you need Hermione's purse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, she has a lot of things in it, but not everything I need.
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Like she had everything they needed.
She needed the sword a little sooner.
Yeah, that's true too.
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
Kayla, what's up?
What's in your room of requirement?
Young lady.
All right.
In mine, I was thinking I just need a big room with blankets and pillows everywhere that
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I can take a nap comfortably between breaks in school because the amount of time school
would just wear me out and it'd be nice to just like walk in and just crash for a little
bit and then just get back out.
I like.
Okay.
Okay.
Now that's awesome.
You know, I gotta have my internet.
Maybe throw Harry's vault in there and then whatever food I craved at the time, you know,
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kind of along the lines of Dave.
I don't need a whole food court, but just, you know, hey, if it's subway time, boom subway
pops up.
I'm good.
Right.
And it's just there and then it goes away from my next meal.
All right.
Yeah, I like the internet because this is in the 90s dude.
It's like I want some futuristic technology because I know it's awesome.
AOL.
No AOL with a dial up.
Yeah.
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My fiber high speed.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Very good.
Very good.
Those are some fancy rooms of requirements.
So they put together this awesome little army.
Dumbledore's army.
If let's say you guys with characters from the movie had to put together your own army,
but you could only take Harry and yourself plus three.
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Who are you taking?
I like Ben.
Ben, let's go to you first.
Mrs. Weasley.
Nice.
This is my first choice.
Really?
Okay.
She's very protective.
She can get really vicious when she wants to protect her family and everything.
That's mad eye Moody.
Dude, that guy freaks people out.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
He has an intimidation factor, you know.
Yeah.
And then I would say the leader of the centaurs.
Nice.
I mean just the way they took out Umbridge.
They're heroes in my book.
You know, I want them on my team.
Good choices.
And plus Mrs. Weasley can feed an army, you know, she's a she's good at that too.
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People.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think I like yeah, my mom.
Yeah.
Seriously.
No, that's a good point.
That's a good point.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go.
Can't let you're up.
Who's in your army you Harry and who else?
So I put Ginny because she was very powerful spells when it comes to the fifth one, especially.
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Yeah, it was the one that shocked everyone with their spells her mining same thing very
good with spells.
And then I said this is weasley as well because I thought the same reason to the she can feed
an army and she's she was so cool at the end of the movie with no tricks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
Okay.
That's very interesting.
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That lady power Weasley hadn't even crossed my mind.
She wouldn't even live a top 50 people.
I would take with me.
Okay, Dave.
You know, I kind of went fun with this one, but I picked Dobby.
I mean, he's been pretty awesome.
We see later on things he can do to loop in, you know, he's tough and heck if it's a full
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moon, you know, we got that power to with us and then I know it's double doors army.
So I take Dumbledore.
I mean the greatest wizard of all time.
So the other two didn't even really matter.
Okay.
All right, Gaffey.
Yeah, it was hard to decide.
Like I think these are all I'm like, yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
So everyone's I think Hermione like she's so smart.
She would know all the things agreed, you know, and then or just be able to like be
so quick like to figure out problem solving and she's highly logical.
Yes, she is.
She's needed.
She'd be awesome.
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And then honks is feisty and she's in the books a lot too.
You get to know her in the books and and I love her in the books and the movie too.
And then Kingsley I would have Kingsley.
I got it.
Yeah, he's like is the guy and he knows his stuff too.
And he's like a double agent there, you know, okay.
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Okay.
So I'm going to tell you this.
We disagree on villains and heroes, but you and I were right here on the Dumbledore's Army.
All right.
Yeah, because I also would take Hermione obviously same exact reason you said Kingsley.
He was an or right.
So, you know, he's he knows his stuff and I'd also take serious.
Oh, yeah.
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That's my army.
Yeah, I think we're all pretty solid.
Yes.
My army might be as bad as well as Kayla's and Ben's but you know, it's okay.
Okay, well they do serious.
Doesn't look like he is much anyway.
All right.
Okay, so so moving on in this movie in order of the Phoenix.
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Who was your hero who or who was your hero or the hero of the movie Dave?
I'm going to start with you.
All right.
I picked another one of those like you could say it for everyone.
But this one I picked Ron the first bit, you know, he's kind of jealous and things like that.
But then when he comes around, he's really got Harry's back, you know, he defends him.
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He's there with him.
And I just like Ron as a character and as an actor.
He's funny.
He's just a likable guy.
So he's my favorite in this one.
He's come a long way since Wizard chest, right?
Yep.
Yep.
Okay.
All right, Kathy, let's go right back to you.
For me, it was serious because he provides a place for the order of the Phoenix to meet.
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Right.
My quarters and he's someone that feels like family to Harry.
Finally, you know, like that Harry has somebody that's like this is he's my family, you know,
his Godfather that can love him and support him.
He gives him advice and that he has that is so important.
Like especially when he's having such a hard time, he doesn't get to talk to a lot because
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it's all crazy, you know, but still that like connection with Sirius and then he fights
to protect Harry.
I love that that he fights for him and he ends up giving his life to protect Harry too.
But yeah, great scene when they're fighting together.
Quick question.
Which fire serious do you like better the fourth one or the fifth one?
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Yeah, I think about that the last time I go through so far just for people to remember
Harry needs to talk to serious they communicate and serious is able to talk to him through
the fireplace and he's in the actual fire.
But he's kind of shown in two different ways.
The first one is kind of him just in the flames for the second one.
Yeah, actual fire.
And the second one is more of like a reflection kind of in the smoke.
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But for me, I'll just answer real quick.
So yeah, for me, it was the first one.
I thought he looked cool in the first one.
He was a little bit harder to see in the second one, but it was still really cool how they
did that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anybody else?
I think I like the first one better.
You like the first one better too, Ben?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.
First one looks cooler.
Yeah.
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I didn't like it.
I thought it was so distracting to me.
I got you.
Yeah.
He was breathing all weird too.
Like, you know, and that was like, what's wrong with you?
I don't breathe.
There's a lot of smoke in the fireplace.
Yeah.
Distracting.
So the other one I like better because I'm focusing on what he's saying and not like,
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hey, are you gonna die?
Dave, what about you?
I like the first one better because it's, yeah, he's like the actual fire, which is
like, I think kind of cool to think about, but I totally get what you're saying, Kathy.
And I, it's funny because I feel like in the magical world, I think he would do it the
second way.
Like it makes more sense that he would just be like kind of projected from the fire maybe,
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but I just like that he is actual coals and stuff.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Very creative.
Yeah, very creative.
Super creative.
Yeah, good side question, man.
Okay.
Ben, what about you?
Who is your favorite hero or who was the hero in the movie for you?
I mean, the centers have got to be it because they're the ones that took out Umbridge.
I mean, that just had to happen for me.
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That just had to happen.
So whoever took out her was my hero.
Good answer.
All right.
That leaves you, Kayla.
All right.
So yeah, my favorite hero is, yeah, Jenny.
She's kind of been shown a little bit more girl power in this one.
I already mentioned that before though, but I like how she was like a side character,
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but yet like a main character in some parts of the film.
Yeah, it really like transitions her from being like just a younger sister to like,
okay, she's got something she can bring to the story and everything else.
Yeah, for sure.
What was the spell she used at the Department of Mysteries?
Reducto.
Reducto.
Yes, that's right.
I got something to say about that.
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Okay.
All right.
So my hero of the movie is Dumbledore.
And here's why.
For as little as he's shown throughout the movie compared to the other ones, he saves
Harry at the hearing in front of the whole ministry.
He saves Trelawney from getting kicked out of Hogwarts.
He took the heat for the Dumbledore's army.
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He's the reason that Mr. Weasley was saved via the paintings.
And then obviously when he shows up to fight and I love how he calls him Tom, he's like,
you should have showed up here tonight, Tom.
It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom.
The orders are on their way.
Yeah, that's like a slap in the face.
I love the fact that he calls him Tom.
And then they have the awesome battle, of course.
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Dude, the battle is so good too.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Like whistle with the water.
Yeah, I love it.
I like how he's throwing Harry back and protect him and everything at the same time.
I think Mr. Weasley would be dead without him.
So I think that he was the hero.
That's just my opinion.
You make some really good points, John.
And the only thing I would add is I wish that he called him Tommy boy instead.
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Tommy like wingy.
The Baltimore's like, not here, not here, but right here.
Yeah, exactly.
Do I have a mark on my face?
It really hurts.
Nope, nothing.
I thought I hit you on the shoulder.
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My shoulder doesn't hurt very much, but my face does.
Right here.
Not here or here so much, but right here.
Nope.
Shift shape.
All right.
All right.
So if that's our heroes, who was your villain?
Kayla, you're first.
And this is probably going to be pretty unanimous, but let's go ahead.
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Right.
I mean, Umbridge, that's probably the one I hate the most.
I mean, the things she does literally just irritates me.
Yeah.
The worst.
Yeah.
And obviously, you know, we need to mention it.
That's just a credit as to how well she played the character that we hate her as much as
we do.
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But I can go through and ask you guys if you want me to, but it's pretty much unanimous
that we all think Umbridge is the villain of the movie.
And I think one of the key parts that makes her the villain is when she's making him write
the lines and then engraves onto his skin.
Oh, yeah.
But then he turns around with the centaurs and says, must not tell lies.
Just classic.
I mean, do you want me to ask you guys, are we all pretty much on the same page about
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Umbridge being the villain in this one?
Yeah.
Just one thing I chime in about it is that in the books, you miss this little detail
that like they have drawings with it, which is really fun.
Even in the original paperbacks or whatever, each chapter has a drawing.
And for Umbridge, she's described as having this really wide mouth, like a frog or a toad
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or whatever, and really stout, short and wide.
And so the creature itself almost makes it like makes you not like her more in the book.
Yeah, she's such a good actress that you just hate her.
Yeah.
Well, Umbridge, but then also like the minister magic, but he's, oh my gosh, like the both
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of them together, they're just not living in reality.
You know, like they're in total denial and just the control like over everyone and everything
and then discrediting, carrying double door and doing it publicly.
That's the worst.
Yeah.
Definitely totally understand what you're saying about the ministry because they're
just trying to gaslight everybody, man.
That's not good.
Yeah.
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That's a good point.
All right.
Umbridge is the worst, but you know, good for her.
I think.
All right.
So what are some of your favorite scenes in the movie?
Because there's so many great ones in this one.
Ben, let's start with you.
I love when Fred and George go out with a bang, you know, when they, yes, they're like, just
screw it.
We're going to do this, you know, the visual is so great with that whole scene.
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Yeah.
With the dragon and everything.
And then all the glass breaking with all the rules and everything.
Yeah, even getting crab that gets shot in the rear with his fireworks and Draco's like
scared face.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm very well done.
That's a good, that's definitely a good scene.
Dave, what about you?
Oh, I love the Dumbledore's army training scenes, just like Harry, you know, rooting
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them on and teaching them and them each trying and even like some funny scenes in there,
like Ron versus Hermione and you know, that whole deal and the music.
I mean, this whole movie has great music.
I know Kayla loves the soundtrack for this one, right?
The music for the training scenes is great.
Don't worry.
I'll go easy on you.
Don't worry.
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I'll go easy on you.
Thanks, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
Come on, Ron.
One second.
You're on.
Thank you.
Shut up.
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I let her do that.
It's good manners, isn't it?
It's completely intentional.
All right.
All right, Kathy.
So I had a couple of it.
I really liked that scene when Harry saves Dudley from the Dementors.
Agreed.
And I don't know, this is like kind of the psychology of these ones that like, I really
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like Harry, you know, he's going through this PTSD, right?
Cedric dying in Voldemort and stuff.
He's been isolated and Dudley is like taunting him and like, your mom is dead and who are
you crying about in the night?
You know, basically like, this...
Terrible.
...he's thinking about his trauma, you know, and he gets reactive.
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Understandably, right?
Yeah, he's reactive.
And, but when trouble comes and Dementors come, his character so quickly, he saves Dudley.
Run, you know, like run Dudley.
And then he saves him with his experimental patronum, you know, spell and then gets him
home.
I think that shows a lot of his character because he's bullying him as his enemy.
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But when it comes to it, like he, Harry is going to protect.
And you know, often like in the books, like Hermione is like, don't play the hero.
And like Voldemort is going to play to that.
Like in this movie, like that you're going to be the hero.
But that's Harry.
Like that's a good part of him.
That he wants to protect people.
It's really important to him to protect people and do what he feels is right.
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You know, even his enemies.
And then like the other one is when Voldemort possesses like Harry's body and the atrium
of the ministry.
And it's a little, it's shorter, it's different in the book than the movie, but I really appreciated
they show kind of the struggle that Harry has.
Who am I?
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You know, and that he gets to choose that.
And he is different than Voldemort because he does have friendship and he has love.
So I love that.
There's this quote from David O. McKay, like the greatest battle of life is fought within
the silent chambers of our own soul.
And that they interpreted that so well with those little like the montage of Harry, you
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know, and Voldemort and that struggle.
And we all, the struggles like inside of our own souls.
Good.
The struggle is real.
And very valid.
Very valid point.
Kayla.
All right.
My favorite scene is expecto patronum scene where they're all learning expecto patronum.
I mean the music that song double doge army is my favorite song.
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The whole soundtrack.
It's very upbeat and fun.
And it's very interesting to see like all the different students animals that they're
expected patronum like takes after their reactions and seeing like how, you know, good they
are.
It's short, but it's like fun to watch.
Yes.
For not just Harry, but like other students too.
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Excellent.
Excellent.
And mine kind of goes along with what you were saying, Kathy.
My favorite scene is it's kind of long, but I'll just bookend it is from the very opening
scene come in on the dark clouds and the playground and the wind, you know, blowing the death
trap around that we used to write on as kids, the circle thing.
Yeah.
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And you know, and immediately, you know, Dudley comes over and Harry's like beat up another
10 year old.
Did you this one deserved it?
But then he goes, at least I wasn't crying to my pillow.
Right.
Who said you said your boyfriend?
Right.
And then he starts going in on his mom.
And that's when like what you were talking about, Kathy, that's when he starts getting
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defensive.
He pulls out his wand and puts it up to him and he's like, and then the weather starts
getting worse and worse.
Well, the mentors are coming and he's like, what are you doing?
And even though he was talking, he was going hard on him to like you said, the PTSD, he's
got that on his mind.
Cedric just died.
He's got he's talking about his mom.
And here he knows something's happening.
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But his first instinct was actually to save him even from the storm.
He knew what he knew something was going on.
He's like Dudley run.
And so they go in there, they go in the little tunnel and he saves them there and things
shows up like a rock star and go into the ministry.
Again, one of those scenes where Mr. Weasley is fascinated by the technology of the muggles
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with the card going into the reader and everything like that.
And then using the visitors entrance to the hearing, the hearing itself.
You know, I just just thought the whole thing, him finding out that even though he felt alone
in the PTSD that you were talking about, that Dumbledore sent Mrs. Figgs to keep an eye
on him, I thought was super cool.
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Yeah.
Right.
And he's like, she's like, how do you know about this stuff?
And don't put the way you want that whole opening scene.
I just thought was phenomenally done.
And then him showing up three hours early to the ministry.
Yeah.
So that's mine.
And again, back to even to the WB logo getting darker.
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It just was sheer on out.
How did you get darker?
I like it.
I like it a lot.
Same.
Okay.
Very good.
Very good.
Where are we at?
Okay.
So real quick, let's go through some of your favorite quotes.
Kayla, you're first.
What's up?
What was one of your one or two or three or five of your favorite quotes in this movie?
Okay.
So I think one of my favorite quotes was when Harry is possessed by Voldemort and they're
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going through these scenes of his life.
Like at first they're hard and traumatic.
Like Voldemort is trying to make Harry realize like, you're just like me.
You're just as bad as me.
You know, we're the same.
And then Harry fights off those instincts and realizes like, no, like I am a good person.
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And you know, he says the quote that I picked was, you're the weak one and you'll never
know love or friendship.
And I feel sorry for you.
Yes.
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Like that realization of no, you know, this love and friends that I have in my life is
what makes me a better person and makes me want to fight for these people when Voldemort
is just by himself.
And also like in that scene, the face that Voldemort makes, it kind of like drops too.
Like it's interesting when people realize like, oh, he's got a point, but like I can't
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carry that out.
Yeah.
Like am I being petty?
Yeah.
Okay.
Now that's a great scene and a great quote.
Yep.
Excellent.
Cathy.
So I love all, I just, there's so many, but when Harry's like teaching them, he says,
learning hard is important, but there's something that matters even more believing in yourself.
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Think of it this way.
Every great wizard in history has started out as nothing more than what we are now.
Students, if they can do it, why not us?
So I just love, I love that scene and that they're able to like do all these hard spells
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with his help and motivation and, and believing in yourself.
You know, I think that's, that is important.
Working hard is important, but believing in yourself and we can learn things.
So I love that.
Any others?
I like this quote, but I think I might have Dave say it cause I can't read it very well.
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Dave, go ahead and quote him.
Or Kingsley's like, well, you may not like a minister, but you can't deny double doors
got style.
Yes.
Yes.
That was pretty good.
Yeah.
And Cathy, I agree.
That was actually one of my quotes too.
So that's a good one.
Ben.
So it's one serious black says, you're not a bad person.
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You're a very good person who bad things have happened to.
You understand?
The world isn't split into good people and death eaters.
We've all got both light and dark inside of us.
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What matters is the part we choose to act on.
That's who we really are.
Powerful stuff from serious man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a great quote.
Love it.
Yep.
All right, Dave.
Well, I knew I could count on you guys to pick some really meaningful and good quotes
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for sure.
It's all one of our favorites, right?
One of my favorite quotes is just when Dumbledore comes into the hearing.
Witness for the defense.
All of us personal, Wolf Frick, Brian Dumbledore.
I love that.
Just how long his name is and the pause and Brian.
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Brian just doesn't seem like a fits in there.
Right.
That's a great.
Yeah.
Brian Dumbledore.
The pause is what makes that right there, though.
Yes.
All right.
So I chose a couple at the same place right there at the hearing.
I'm like, well, because you got nobody that can prove this happened.
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And Albus was like, in fact, we do.
And so then the next thing you see, Mrs. Figgs on the giant chair and your feet aren't even
touching the ground.
And Amelia was like, what did they look like?
Well, one of them was very large and the other rather skinny.
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Not the boys, the Dementors.
Yes, I love that too.
And then, you know, Harry just sees the Thestrals and they're about to go to Hogwarts.
On their little carriage.
This is where we meet Luna Lovegood and Hermione is the one that introduces Luna to everybody.
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She's like, everyone, this is Looney Love.
And then she realized that she said Looney, not Luna.
But her face of embarrassment and shock was just like perfect.
Yeah, so good.
Yeah, so good.
So good.
And then here is a deleted scene that Peacock showed me as well.
And after Seamus confronts Harry Potter in the Gryffindor common room, there's what I
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believe is a deleted scene where as Ron and Harry Potter are going to their room, it pans
over to Neville, who again defends Harry Potter and he says, my grand says it's the Daily
Prophet that's rubbish.
She canceled our subscription.
But I thought they could have left that in there because it's just showing him defending
Harry again.
I just thought that was a kind of neat little scene that I'd never seen before.
(31:54):
Yeah, so.
Nice.
All right.
So Kayla, what were some of the differences between the books and the movies?
So yeah, this one had some more because the book was a bit longer than the movie, like
thick wise.
This was probably the biggest, I think.
I think of all the books in the whole series.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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All right.
So first I'll start with who finds the room requirement.
It was actually Dobby that finds the room requirement, not Neville.
Dobby doesn't appear in the film adaptation of The Order of the Phoenix, but in the book,
he's the one to tell Harry about the room requirement.
The room requirement helps Abbey treat Winky whenever she becomes drunk from drinking too
much butter beer.
The film shows Neville stumbling upon the room requirement instead.
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The end result is the same, though as the room requirement becomes the secret headquarters
and practice area for Dumbledore's army.
Another small detail that was in the book was there was no quidditch in the movie.
The novel features some intriguing quidditch storylines as Umbridge bans Harry from playing
quidditch ever again and Ron becomes the keeper of the Gryffindor team.
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For the first time in the series, the Gryffindor team has to find a way to win without Harry.
Jenny joins the team and both she and Ron rise to the occasion as they lead Gryffindor
to win the Quidditch Cup.
None of these statements are incorporated into the film.
In fact, there is no quidditch in the film at all.
The Beards don't see Ron become keeper of the Gryffindor team until the moving adaptation
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of the Half-Blood Prince.
Did these movies even read the books?
Did these books even watch the movies?
Man, that's crazy.
This one was definitely a big one, but the person that betrays Dumbledore's army.
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So Dumbledore's army uses the room requirements as their headquarters and practice area until
they are betrayed.
Cho Chang's friend, Merida, is responsible for this betrayal in the book.
Merida's mother works for the ministry and she never wanted to join the secret organization
and was dragged there by Cho.
Merida leaks information to Umbridge that allows her to expose the DA.
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Since Merida doesn't exist in the movie, Cho is the one who betrays the DA, although in
her case, information is parted unwillingly.
Yeah, it's a smart Cho in the book.
St. Mungo's Hospital.
This one was a big one because Arthur Weasley is sent to St. Mungo's Hospital for magical
maladies and injuries after he is attacked by Nanjini.
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None of the St. Mungo scenes from the books are included in the movie beyond Harry, Hermione,
and the Weasleys visiting Arthur.
Book readers also get to see Neville visiting his parents who have been hospitalized at
St. Mungo's ever since they are brutally tortured by Barty Crouch Jr. and the Lestrange.
It's a heartbreaking moment that provides more context and insight into Neville's character.
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Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny also see Gilderoy Lockhart at St. Mungo's and Lockhart's memory
is still severely damaged.
Yeah, it's kind of fun to see him in there.
Can't remember anything.
Hey man.
That's crazy.
And sad about Neville.
Yeah, that tender moment with his parents.
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Yeah.
I think he hangs around a lot more than I would have thought.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a bigger part in the book.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Ferenzy teaching divination is one that we're about to.
Doris Umbridge sacks Sybil Trelawney in the book and in the movie.
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A replacement teacher is never shown in the movie, but in the book, Dumbledore hires the
centaur Ferenzy to teach divination in Trelawney's absence.
Soon after Professor Trelawney is restrained, Ferenzy continues to teach divination at Hogwarts
and his centaur colony casts him out.
Ferenzy also fights in the Battle of Hogwarts.
His only film appearance is in The Sorcerer's Stone, though.
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Interesting.
He becomes a teacher in the school.
It's pretty cool.
And like a lot of the girls kind of have little crushes on him because he's like a buff centaur.
Why do the centaurs cast him out?
They're kind of not as cool with the humans, really, you know, like, yeah, because they've
been treated so poorly by so many of them, I think.
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Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that makes sense.
All right.
What's the other one?
All right.
Last one.
Rooms omitted from the Department of Mysteries.
The Department of Mysteries contains many rooms that aren't featured in the film.
The most memorable of these is probably the brain room or brains with tentacles attached
to them latch onto Ron and begin suffocating him.
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Another notable room not in the films is the time room where the ministry keeps their time
turners.
All the ministry's time turners are destroyed when Harry and his friends fight the Death
Eaters in the time room.
The movie condenses in the battle of the Department of Mysteries by focusing on the Hall of Prophecy
in the death chamber where Sirius falls through the veil.
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Yeah, it's fun in the book.
And so there's interesting rooms and it's crazy.
Good thing Hermione already made it to all of her classes.
Yeah.
Yup.
One thing I want to mention too that wasn't in there, but how Harry and Cho's relationship
ends in the book versus the movie.
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It wasn't because of Cho betraying them, but instead it kind of just fizzled out in the
book.
They just like each other in the end, which I thought was interesting.
Yeah.
Good one.
Yep, for sure.
Because in the movie it's just like the betrayal, was it?
They talked to you after that.
Actually in the movie even they realized it was fair to see him, but still it was like
(37:41):
damage was done or something, huh?
Yeah, right.
So I had a couple thoughts on this movie.
So two things.
Well, right out of the gate, Harry knew that he's been attacked by Dementors.
He knew chocolate would help.
Why didn't he get any chocolate to Dudley to help him?
Yeah.
Instead of Vernon say he was all funny, duddy or whatever.
Yeah.
I love that line.
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It was just to help him at least.
Happy are we now?
Hey, you've finally done it.
You've finally driven him loopy.
Look at him Petunia.
Our boy has gone yumpy.
My thoughts just in my brain, you know, it's obviously not like canon or anything, but
(38:23):
I just imagine that he eats so much chocolate.
He already has a stash.
He's going to be taken care of.
But like this guy's probably living on chocolate all the time anyway.
That's a good boy, man.
And did you notice that when Harry is teaching Dumbledore Limey, yeah, he wears a nice little
vest just like Lupin does when he's teaching.
(38:48):
One thing I did find, I think Ginny is just destructive.
Okay.
Yeah.
She's like the she's like the female Seamus.
Okay.
And she blows up the little it looks like a dementor, but everybody's like pushing her
around and she blows it up with the reducto.
But then in the hall of what do they call it?
The department of mysteries?
(39:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Every single one of those little snow globes with the prophecies, she reductos again and
they all fall and crash all over the place.
She just ruined like future history.
Like what the heck?
I mean, I think in the books they portray her as more powerful than she is in the movies.
But man, that girl does some damage.
(39:33):
And it might be this way in the books, but if you watch this movie with subtitles on
when they're in the headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix creature, it's just straight
up talking trash about every single person in that room.
That's crazy.
I didn't notice that until I watched it.
The subtitles.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, these are just talking trash about everybody that's there.
(39:59):
Why don't we ever see the girls dormitory in Gryffindor?
We're at the whole movies.
We don't ever see it.
I just thought that was weird.
I just thought that was weird.
If to be able to see a Thestral, you have to witness death.
How did they all fly on a Thestral to the ministry?
Yeah.
I've wanted to see like what's the version that they see the people that don't see the
Thestrals, you know, just like they're straddling nothing or seeing them like fly around with
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nothing under them.
I think that'd be cool to see.
Yeah, just to feel it.
I guess.
Maybe.
However, after they fight everybody, when they have that battle in the Department of
Mysteries, they all witness the death of Sirius.
So after that, they could they could definitely see it.
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But yeah, I just thought that was interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One small detail in the movie that I don't quite understand is how come Harry was able
to see the Thestrals after he saw Cedric Diggory die?
Like he technically saw his mom die when he was a baby, but maybe he doesn't remember.
I don't know.
Like I don't get why.
(41:05):
That was a good point.
Yeah, that's a really good point.
I just figured the only reason he was able to see the Thestrals was because of Cedric.
Yeah.
But like she's saying, why can't he see it before?
How do you know that he saw it?
Because it was a reflection.
It bounced off of the curse, bounced off of him.
You know, I guess there was some like there's some black edges.
So it had to be a bright, right?
(41:26):
Because whenever you see them using a lot of cadaver, there's always a big light when
they're, you know.
Yeah, that's true.
Maybe he didn't.
Yeah.
He you see him in the clips of him like in the crib, just crying, looking out at his
mom.
But maybe he didn't see the actual death.
Yeah, like it was as we're blurry from the tears, maybe.
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Yeah, that's true.
When you're a baby, can't you only see so far?
I don't know.
That's interesting.
No, that's your thoughts.
Good thoughts.
Yeah, I just figured this.
I guess I had never thought about that, Cale.
I just, you know, I just assumed because of Cedric.
I guess that's what the movies anyway, that's what they wanted everybody to assume.
Yeah.
Good point.
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Using your noggin.
Cathy.
I think too.
I think, you know, when Harry is first introduced, the dementors on the train, he blacks out
and he hears his mom, like what he's screaming.
And it's his mom and like Lupin just explains like it's because of what happened to you
when you were babies.
So yeah, like there's that connection.
(42:32):
But how did, yeah, it doesn't make sense that part.
Like, yeah, it doesn't see the sessuals because his body or his brain remembers, like keeps
that score of like, you know, that trauma as a baby.
That's true.
And he has, that's why the dementors have such an impact on him.
So I don't know.
Anyways, just thoughts.
Yeah, good thoughts.
(42:52):
Yeah.
Good show.
Yeah, good thought, Kayla.
Good job, Kayla.
Thanks.
So I was going to talk about the parties that we've done and some of the decorations for
the Triwizard Tournament.
We got this glowing Triwizard Cup, which was so fun to find.
Like I think we got it at Target anyways, but that was fun to do.
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I had like a potions silver platter tray, but like Gillyweed was in there.
Yep.
I think I got like a big bottle and I did fresh herbs and another, it was like this
lettuce kind of thing.
I was just trying to like do something that was green.
And then signs, like we put like the Dolores Finequisitor signs up all over, like all her
(43:34):
little rolls and stuff.
We put those.
Yeah.
There's so many of those, right?
So you can pick whatever.
The Wanted Bellatrix Strange sign.
We printed a big poster of like the three broomstick sign.
We put that up and we even had some of the Halloween, they sell like those cinnamon kind
(43:54):
of broomsticks that they have like wooden, you know, looks like twigs put together.
Like we had those and then school book covers.
And then I had little, from IKEA, little frame stands with all the quotes like that we loved
from the book and the movie.
And then miniature dragons in a bag, you know, the Triwizard Cup too.
(44:16):
And then food, the Dragon's Red Dip.
Pumpkin pasties are mentioned by Cho Chang on the trolley on the train.
Pumpkin pasties?
Pumpkin pasties.
So I did my little take on those.
So that was kind of the decorations and food.
And then Kayla, she is an expert here on the games for sure.
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So yeah, one of the favorite things that I did in the Harry Potter parties is we have
like a Harry Potter scene it that we play.
It's limited though, because it has like four players, but we just did teams, which was
fun.
That one's a favorite.
You could probably find it on Amazon, maybe.
(44:57):
It's funny because we played it recently as a family.
And for some reason, every time somebody got my play, it was the same scene.
Like DVD glitched or something.
And it was the scene where Harry kisses Cho.
And it was like, we saw it seriously like seven times in a row.
Every time it came up, we're like, ah!
I'm just like all yelling like, this is what the heck?
(45:20):
Especially like Kaden, because he's like seeing them kiss again and stuff.
You know, that's so funny.
Yeah, pull up nargles.
Yeah, one of my favorite Harry Potter games that I like to play, especially this Hogwarts
Legacy, very interactive.
It's hard to do character customization personally.
(45:40):
That's the only complaint I have about that game.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's on the Switch and PS4 or PS5.
That's probably the only ways you can play that game.
Yeah, Uncle Ben's played it too.
I don't know if you want to mention anything about it too.
Yeah, I mean, it's a really fun game.
It's funny.
I mean, it's not like taking place during these movies necessarily, because it's happening
(46:03):
before, but they definitely have little illusions like maybe ancestors of some of the characters
or some of the spells that show up and things like that, that you make connections with
the movies for sure.
Don't they have an app as well that has that game?
Or maybe it's a different version.
But yeah, you want to talk about phone games?
Yeah.
(46:24):
There are a few Harry Potter games that I've gotten before.
I don't play them as much, but they definitely were fun.
One of my favorites that I like is Harry Potter Hogwarts Mystery.
This one's also like an interactive game.
Like the timeline, it's where Harry would be seven or eight years old.
(46:45):
And yeah, the point of Hogwarts Mystery is that your so-called brother causes some mischief
at Hogwarts that's related to Voldemort.
And you're trying to figure out what it is and how to stalk.
You're kind of like the chosen one, but like in many versions of the chosen one.
Yeah.
Is that the one where you have two guys wanting to take you to the ball or whatever?
(47:09):
Yeah.
Their relationship sucks them.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, that is fun.
Yeah, that is fun.
That is awesome.
Another phone game is Harry Potter Magic Awakens.
This one's more of like a dueling game.
That one's also like an interactive game.
(47:31):
It's kind of like where I can't think of any games that are like this at the moment, but
like you draw cards and you collect cards and certain cards gives you certain power-ups
and abilities and dueling that can help you defeat things.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's awesome, Kayla.
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There's also a board game that's called Hogwarts Battle.
You can go through all the years and it takes you time to go through each level of the game.
And recently, my sister-in-law was talking about how she got together with some friends
and they're like, let's play this game.
And they played the whole game and all the extender packs.
(48:13):
Nice.
They went through all of them and they played this for weeks.
They would pick up the game and just played it on and I was like, that is so awesome.
I want to do that.
I don't know if anyone wants to do that with me.
Yeah, let's do it.
That would be so fun.
Yeah, okay.
It's awesome.
So something that gets introduced a little bit more in this movie, we kind of see it
(48:35):
throughout all the movies, but are the magical forms of transportation.
So for you guys, what would be your magical form of transportation of choice?
To you, John, first.
Simple.
I've told you all this in a previous episode when we talked about powers or something like
that.
Mine will be teleportation.
So I want to get to where I want to go.
(48:56):
And that's it.
Right.
I'll talk about that time and time again.
No lines, no airports, nothing, no drives, no flying.
Let me just get there.
And so I want to evaporate.
All right.
What about you, Ben?
I think I'd probably just go with the broom, man.
I feel like that one is so accessible.
Like you can take it anywhere basically and go anywhere.
(49:17):
And I think it would just be fun to fly like that, you know, have the control.
Heck yeah.
There must be some kind of magic that like provides more thumb support, though, you know,
like right.
There's got to be something that makes you feel okay sitting on that thing for a while.
I felt like Professor Moody had one that had like some butt support.
Oh, yeah.
(49:38):
He's got yeah.
He's got some like, yeah, he's got like a low rider, you know, motorcycle type broom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
What about you, Kayla?
I'll go with the hippogriff and thatch roll.
Yeah.
I feel like that would be more fun and like definitely cute.
I like animals.
So I mean, riding an animal to wherever I want to go that flies.
(50:00):
No more airplanes.
Just ride on an animal to wherever I need to go.
Heck yeah.
That's the perfect fit for you.
I was going to tell everybody that Kayla is an animal lover for sure.
That makes sense.
A little buck beak action.
Yeah.
Buck beak.
Heck yeah.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
All right.
Kathy, what about you?
I have a flying motorcycle.
(50:21):
Yes.
A little more stable and secure with like handles.
I'd feel a little better driving motorcycle in the air, not around other cars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I call the sidecar.
I can take the ride with you for sure.
So you're taking the Hagrid's.
Yes.
Okay.
Do the loopty loop on the tunnel.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
All right.
(50:42):
For my choice, it's the port key.
I mean, it's kind of like apparating, but I don't know.
It's kind of cool.
I mean, you grab onto it and spin around.
My only thing is like, I have to be able to land like Mr. Weasley just like slowly.
Because if you slam down like those other guys, I feel so bad for them.
That'll clear your sinuses, eh?
Jerk.
That's good.
You didn't tell them either.
(51:04):
Yeah, not at all.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like the moment of.
I'm like, Harry, grab it now.
Why is he putting it around that banky old boot?
Yeah, exactly.
All right, Ben.
Why don't you close us out with some of your thoughts around the psychology of these two
movies?
So kind of like what Kathy was talking about, there's a lot in both the movies and books
(51:26):
about resiliency and dealing with trauma and hard things, you know?
So in Goblet of Fire, I think one of the biggest ones they show really again and again is how
accepting help and helping others is something that really improves resiliency.
And they've shown this again and again in studies where those who have faced hard things,
(51:48):
if they can one, accept help, but also get outside of themselves and help other people,
that's going to improve their dealing process.
They show that a lot in Goblet of Fire, where none of them could have completed all the
trials without somebody's help.
In Order of the Phoenix, it's interesting because it's very similar to like when there's
tragedies like hurricanes and earthquakes, where everyone in a community is affected,
(52:15):
people are able to look past their differences and work together, people that don't normally
work together, you know?
And that's also a way of increasing resiliency.
And we see that with Dumbledore's army, where people from different houses are working together
after having to deal with Umbridge.
Like it's suddenly becomes apparent that there's something bigger that's more important that
(52:37):
they have to deal with and they can't deal with it on their own.
They really can't.
It's like overwhelming, you know?
And so everyone is sort of forced to help each other, you know?
And I think that's such a powerful theme that you see in real life.
Anytime when everyone's affected, kind of as a wake-up call to look outside yourself
(52:58):
and be able to like gather together.
You know, so I think that's the psychology of that is something that you see, I don't
know, throughout the books, but especially in these two, you know?
I love it.
Yeah, I can attest to that.
We just had the hurricane here, what, three weeks ago?
We have a hurricane season.
And you know, that tragedy that affects everybody, they all come together here, man.
(53:20):
Yeah.
Did you have some people, some friends in your place, John, too, during that hurricane?
I was lucky enough to have power and they did not, so they stayed the entire week with
me and, you know, it was a struggle, but we all got through it and came out on the other
side, man.
It's like you got to do, you know, to help each other out.
You have to do it.
(53:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, just like Ben said, I mean, it's, you know, something bigger than the differences
or the challenges we have.
You just pull together.
I like that a lot, for sure.
Thanks, Ben.
Yeah.
And Harry is, I mean, all of them, so resilient, but especially Harry, right?
Love it.
All right.
(54:01):
Thanks everyone.
Thanks to John and Dave, of course.
And, but also special thanks for our special guests, Kathy and Kayla.
And of course, always thanks for everyone for listening and make sure you rate and subscribe.
And as always, stay fat, dumb and happy.
Bye guys.
That was awesome.
See you guys.
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