August 24, 2025 • 47 mins
Righto fam! Let's celebrate 6 years of Fearlessly Failing. Let's talk the highs and lows of having and creating a pod; including iconic guests and stories that resonated most with listeners. Lola also shares candid insights on the challenges of podcasting and what's worked well for their show.
Lola and Matt take us behind the scenes, revealing their approach to booking big-name guests, handling difficult interviews, and staying true to their podcast's purpose. Lola stresses the importance of being "relentlessly honest" and only sharing stories that offer real depth and vulnerability.
This fun, reflective episode provides aspiring podcasters with valuable tips and inspiration. Lola emphasizes that podcasting requires immense work, but rewards those willing to stick it out. Her advice? Commit fully, protect your vision, and above all - tell the truth.
Timestamps:
0:01:30 - Remembering some of Lola's favorite/most iconic podcast guests over the years
0:08:15 - The challenges and pain points of podcasting
0:19:30 - What's worked well for the podcast and Lola's tips
0:29:45 - Behind the scenes stories and reflections
0:39:00 - Parting words of wisdom for aspiring podcasters
Lola and her producer Matt aka Bosso have poured their hearts into Fearlessly Failing for the past 6 years - and have 748 episodes to show for it! Tune in to hear the hosts reflect candidly on their podcasting journey. You'll laugh along with their stories and walk away feeling inspired to start your own creative passion project. What are you waiting for? Hit play now!
Big love! Lola and Matt
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,
and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure
because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,
grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview
a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,
(00:26):
all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.
Welcome to a very special episode. We've just been prepping
the mics before we hit record and bosses in a
very bossy mood today, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wow? You'd think after seven hundred episodes you would know.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's absolute monarchy. So let's dive in. We are here
today to celebrate the podcast turning six years.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Happy birthday, So happy birthday. This is episode seven hundred
and forty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jeez right, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Do you know? I love about this pod?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What's that? Boss?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You? And I unintentionally yeah, made her a virgo. The
first episode came out on the twenty ninth of August
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Did it? Yeah? Ah?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And she turned six And this week what was that
first episode? Georgia Love was our first guest.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh was it? Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But we released a trailer on the twenty ninth of
August twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, come, was Georgia Love the actual first.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Guest, Yes, but I think I interviewed one person before her,
but I.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Got her about first. Amazing. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So we thought we'd do an episode where we just
run through smer like the highlights of having a pod
over the last six years. Also, Boss, congrats, this is
a feat. Podland is not an easy land to navigate.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, congratulations to you. You've put a lot of work
into this.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
There is some crazy statistic like that pods don't live
more than like, isn't it something like one hundred episodes?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think it's probably less less, like like like any
kind of creative endeavors there, they're coming to fashion, They're
like a flash in the pan, and then people don't
have that stickability to continue to do them, you know,
like stickability.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Stickability is that a word?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I love it? Like resilience.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, because it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Here's why I tell anybody, because I coach people on podcasting.
Here's what I tell anybody about podcasting. Podcasting rewards hard work,
Like if you stick with it and you just keep going,
keep going, keep going, and it might not be profitable,
they say in America, they say podcasts aren't profitable. Into
(03:04):
your average downloads per episode sit between three and five thousand,
So that means like a huge percentage are going to
be sitting at like you know, you're just doing it
for the passion of it. Yeah, exactly, which like this
that's how this started, Yeah, of course, and it continues
(03:24):
like that is how this pot is navigated. Like I
still book all the guests, still do all the show notes,
you do all the production side of it, and we
pitch ourselves like we pitch to guests. Guests do get
pitched to us. But if it's not the right fit,
I this is like a baby to me, Like I
protect it. Yeah, you do good job. Well, I'm just
(03:46):
talking about a little bit the beat behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Wait, I think like anything, it's it requires so much
more work than anybody would ever think. Yeah, and I
think it only gets it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Gets harder before it gets easier.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, and there's this kind of like EBB and flow,
like you'll have like a really you'll just have a
really good month, where for me sometimes I get booked.
So there's a difference between you can you might know
the terminology better than me. But there's a difference between
like ads that just pop up like pre mid and
(04:24):
en roll versus a host reading read right, and and
so if you get a host read that's a really
nice payday. But but host reads you can get like
four in a row and then nothing for six months. Yeah, exactly,
Like that's kind of like what's kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Your sponsored ads, But yeah, I think like you know
as well, you can't do constant sponsored ads on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, I so I just have a little bit of
a note here because I'm a bit of a nerd
with preparing this come for So don't let your podcast
content get too comfortable. The comfort zone is the dead zone.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do you like that?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Five creative risks that actually pay off?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Call out call out bs Okay, but that's fine, we
don't really do that. Share your biggest failures. Hello, Hello,
That's what the POD's called. Feel see failure, it says
with receipts, So like, don't just say I failed show
revenue loss, like share an unhappy customer email, like make
it real, talk about the sleepless nights and the tough
(05:36):
days and all of that, which I feel like that's
kind of very us. The other one is like, show
your unpolished process. Well, that's me. We keep We rarely
hit it unless a client asks us for or they
have a massive coughing fit or something like that, and
set public deadlines and goals. Ooh, public failure and loss
(06:01):
of credibility is the risk. But why it works is
people love following a journey, especially when the outcome is uncerned. Yeah,
that's me with the acting. Yeah, I just I just
like to throw a little bit of tipbit information in
there because people that listen to this might be a podcaster.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And I think like as well, you know, you do
have to decide, like you know why why you are
doing a podcast and what you are doing it for.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't think like you can just start a podcast
because I want to like make money or whatever. It
is like it has to start from like a passion,
has to start from something that inspires you to like
talk about and not just have like random conversations.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well yeah, and I don't think it works if you
copy somebody else's format either.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think another cool thing that I read learning about
pods is give the listener a problem and the solution
so with us with this podcast feelessly failing. The problem
is like sometimes we're too scared to chase our dreams
or follow our dreams. And the solution is injuring people
who've done that thing, all in a bid to inspire
(07:13):
us to like, you know, fan that flicker of a
flame in our hearts and turn it into wildfire. Yeah
do you like that? Yeah? Well, okay, So I do
have a format plan for today, So let's start. Do
you have a favorite pod over the last six holy
max six years?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
No, but I am favorite guests. No, No, I don't
have a specific favorite guest, but I did make a
list of ones that I think maybe are your favorite
or I think potentially they are some of the most
iconic interviews that most downloaded. No, just like most most iconic.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay that you think I'm iconic booboo.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, I think that these would be the ones that like, like, look,
every guest is great and brings something special to the table,
you know, But I I would say, one of your
favorite interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Going to say it?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, do you may not say it? Say it? So
I in the top of my list, I've got Dennis Walter.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh, yes, yeah, mister Christmas.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mister Christmas, I've got Dennis Walter. Beautiful voice, beautiful voice,
like very iconic Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I didn't think that's what you were going to say.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, I've got a list like that. They're not like
a ranking list, but there's a few people.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We often re release this episode around Christmas because he's
got to be and he talked about being such a
shy kid and having this dream and he came through
Young Talent time, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, he's also the voice of three. Were you right?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But I think that as well, Like, You've had so
many incredible guests, and I think it's not just about
like fame, it's you know, just iconic stories, iconic people.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That really brought something to the pod.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Okay, next, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I think another one of your favorite EPs and they've
been on twice Chad Patrick.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
No, I didn't have Chad on my list.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I came on and didn't remember. He did a mindfulness
special and we bought out Friday episodes where we talked
about mindfulness. We deep dived like body image managing crisis.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, the next one I had was Candae Fox, the author,
Oh Yeah, she's unreal. Yeah, and I feel like pretty
iconic guests.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I asked her last time I interviewed her, because I
inviewed her when I was in Sydney, and I go,
wats your superpower kind of thing? And she's like, oh,
I'll feel the fear and do it anyway. She's like,
I'm super brave, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
David Gillespie, I love him. Yeah, He's what I think
are your like tops.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
He wrote a book and we used to tour together
because we were both health authors, because he wrote Sweet
Poison and the books about like the fructos and how
it can be bad for you. But then he wrote
a book about psychopaths.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, I read it. Owen Teal.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, there, that's that's my list. Was that the top
of your list is my He is my holy grail
number one. Yeah. Yeah, not to discount from anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Anyone else, exactly. We're not We're not put this like this.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I have I have a barometer. Though I do have
a barometer. I have only cried for two guests and
he I had to hold it in because I hadn't
met him before. But when he hugged me at the end.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He was the other guest, Trent Dalton. I didn't have
him on my list. I've forgotten.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I cried during and like during the recording and I
was like far out. And then but Owen when he
hugged me at the end and he goes, because I
didn't have the hurried to tell him I was an
actor at the start, and then he goes making me
emotional thinking about it, and then he goes, you've got
you've got a spark, like you have to He's like,
you have to keep going. And he hugged me and
(11:12):
this thing and he's like six foot seven or something,
he's so tall, and he hugged me and then he
just pulled me in for a second, like bigger hug
and I remember being like, I've been touched by an angel.
I've been I've been blessed people at a Welsh angel?
Is that what it is? Yeah, often says this to
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me if I have interviewed someone Breton, I also got
a bit emotional with.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, people with depths.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Also, like in general, like a lot of like pretty
influential iconic people.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Joe Wicks, Oh, the body coach.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Body coach, you know, like that guy's got a.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Am version of order like the Queen, you know what
I mean, Like that's fucking you know, like he's done. Yeah,
he's done a lot. I think another in general thing
that you've loved is the crime specials.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
David the Medium.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And you've done a few of them and you love
them even Like I just I was like scrolling through
looking at like guests and stuff like that. But we
remember we like drove to Barrel to do collect dinnigan.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh that was so funny. And she was showing us
her chicken, showing us her chicken. She got phone calls
in the member, she got a phone.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, and we had stopped and I don't know, I
think that like I just had like a nice memory
of that, Like you know, we went to Sydney, we
drove from Sydney about or whybe we drove from Byron
to Barrel.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't even remember.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know either, but yeah, like I was like, funk,
We've done like some nice like experiences. You know, we
had a lot of iconic Aussies, iconic people, and I
think that like that's all I've got. But I've also
written down that we've shared like everything about our life
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for the last six years, like everything.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
To give an example, well, like we only get one
thing secret off the pod.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Oh yeah, do you know that what that is? Yeah,
you can probably say now, huh they bought a house.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, we kept that secret only because we've never done
it before and we just it was out. We really
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Just for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And right after buying it, we did IVF and we
shared the whole IVF.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah exactly, but I was saying, yeah, so we've shared
everything about our lives, and you know, like we moved
in Covid and we moved to like tal Quay, and
then that whole journey and that whole bit of our life,
and then we moved to Byron and then we shared
all of that part of our life.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And then you know, you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Like shared you coming to America and me saying Empyron
and that part of our lives. And then yeah, we
did the IVF and shared all of that part of
our lives. So yeah, I think it's I think it's
it's been nice to share every every season and every phase.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Well, not to get too heavy on the stats or anything,
but the diary episodes traditionally do the best. Yeah, stat wise,
and I still remember my first pot agents when we
first started told me, they're like, you have to do
it once a week diary, and I was like, that
feels narcissistic. I'm sorry, I don't want to do it,
and they're like, it is essentially an extension of the
way you talk to stories on Instagram and that's why
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it happened. I feel like that was my idea, was it?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought it was my first part manager, the hot
seat and the diary both mind.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, see I get no credit in this house. I'll
be no correct.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now I mentioned someone else iconic, but I really enjoyed
having on and I'd love to have ON again.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I've probably forgotten so many people, but I was just
like top of my mind, little scroll.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Through Lisal Jones Olympian, Yeah, amazing, like gold medalist at
seventeen prinstrope, Yeah cool, like written a riper book. It
really opened about mental health struggles. Yeah, I thought Lisal
and she was actually like my third person i'd ever interviewed.
She's episode nine. Yeah, but I thought she was just
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like I remember I had to go to a hotel
she was visiting Melbourne and it was just cool, was
like Catchampman. It was a long interview with the interviews
over time have got slightly shorter just because of people's
attention span. Yeah, and we want to mirror that and
make sure that we're honoring.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And I think it's better to have shorter chats than
editor chat down agreed.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, our chats still sit at like thirty five forty.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I think forty, like still forty five to almost an
hour sometimes. Yeah, yeah, forty five is roughly, I reckon
the longest.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Now do you know who else I was sinking? And
it only came into my mind because it's twenty five
years since the movie came out. Pe Miranda, Yeah, looking
Vali Brandy. And of course we've had Anthony Lapalia on
as well, who plays my dad on looking Bali Brandy.
So there's been some like goodies. But do you know
what I was thinking. We've covered a lot of genres
(16:25):
like health. We've had like nutritionists, natural path what was
that doctor Gina the habits coach?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, Gina.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
She was really cool. She was really really cool. Has
so many yogis on, like Duncan Harvey Iron and Duncan Pete,
founder of power living Ian Finn, but somebody that I
because we both kind of like spent some time before
we recorded this episode today just researching, and there was
someone that really I loved. I was quite nervous to
(16:56):
interview big wave surfer Mark Matthews. That is episode three
hundred and three, and I was like, Holy Mac. Of
course I was so nervous. I had only recorded like
three hundred episodes. I know it sounds like a lot,
but as far as a podcasting host goes, I was
still in my infancy, like I wasn't able to do
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what I'm able to do now, which is like if
a guest comes on and I can feel their nervous,
like I can kind of like change my energy a
bit to help them. I was so anxious about anyone
that was like a big name guess that I would
wouldn't be able to control like create a safe space
for them, because I was just nervous about like getting
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it right. And now I'm like, oh, like, oh, my
goal is to create a space where they feel the
guest feels comfortable to share.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I've loved doing the actor diary life, and I noticed
that that started from when I came to La on
my own years ago twenty one. Yeah, and we would
do a lot of long distance. I thought Hugh Van
Kylemberg was a good.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I had him on my list. Actually I forgot to
say him. Yeah, don't forget anyone else.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I feel like, what are you doing booboo?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No, yeah, I have do you know Gens I had
on my list, but like only to fulfill my boyhood crush.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Megan Gail Ah, she's on my list.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, I thought, and like very iconic, so beautifully yeah,
and like definitely a bit of a crush.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But like, look at you admitting these crushes.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, I mean like she's sucking old, two kids, and I.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Mean my whole boss forty In like three weeks she
would be.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
What like mid forties late forties now, yeah, I mean
her husband's legend as well, also hands.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And we got to know him in Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's right. He's been on the pod tooot.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah. Sean Hampsen, Sean Hampsen is it ham Yeah, I
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Is also for anyone listening. I know we just brushed
over the IVF, but it's actually a four part series.
It's around about three hundred and twenty four If you
want to look up the episode number. We released one
each Monday, and then I went back and did a
special where I interviewed a IVF.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Specialist, doctor Steven L. LG.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He was so cool. That's my memory, yeah, I yeah,
I remember his name because they I had to learn.
It's the way you say LGA isn't how it's spelled. Yeah,
And so I look at I see you know in Australia,
we've got the home Where's good like brand alg Yeah,
I have to I see that logo when I say
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his name, I probably just overshared a thought.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Then tonight you got like a visual Q for your memory?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Correct, I do. Breton Vivian obviously, such a goodie. He's
another one. I got a motion about after he left,
just for like the the passion that's episode two eighty three.
So cool, like just looking back at it all, like
Michaeleabannis like this. Yeah, real goodies obviously, like for me
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as well, like being here as an actor and being
able to interview so many incredible actors.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh and Teal, Damon Harriman, anthy La Palia Pa, Miranda
ash Brewer came on. Ah yeah, Ashbury, Travis Jeffery has
been on twice. Yeah, like, we've had some pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Who's the other oss the actor tall guy Gary Sweet, Yeah,
Gary Sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But also the one quite quite good.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Looking guy, Lincoln Unice.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well, yeah him too, not the one I was thinking,
he's so handsome, remember when.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
We did the interview or like, yeah, he's he's an
eleven out of ten.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, he's very good looking. Yeah. Yeah, I mean like, yeah,
a lot a lot of good actors, a lot of
good actors.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Do you know what else? We've covered a lot of
natural disasters boo yeah, fire and by floods. We've literally
lived through La wildfires. Yeah, the cyclone when we went
back there was a cyclone. Yeah, And I was thinking,
another interesting thing that I covered when I quarantined when
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I came back to bring out the book feelessly failing,
and then I had to quarantine in Sydney for two
weeks in a hotel. There's a whole app around that.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I remember. We definitely have been like through it.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think we have that is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Flood the natural disasters. I feel like my resilience for
natural disasters is just like gone through the roof.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Remember last year I had a special psychologist on that
specializes in natural disasters. That was a really good app
to look. So all this to say to you, the listener,
thank you, because it wonn't exist without you guys. So, okay,
can we be really honest? So what's been some hard
points of the pod? Like let's share the truth, like
(21:54):
let's be real. I think there's been hard points at
all different phases. So obviously when we were starting, you
know that the hard parts of that is trying to
figure everything out and to be honest, like you know,
not talking my chaff. But you do have a music
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producer slash composer of a boyfriend, so there are some
interchangeable skills there. So I think, you know, for other
people that would be a hurdle, you know, like getting
the sound right and recording and equipment to buy and
what microphones and but you know, we still had our
(22:37):
own challenges there, like had to be researched, had to
be and to be honest. We also started like six
years ago. The podcast space wasn't at like that big.
It was still very small.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
There was only like a few podcasts of people that
we knew, you know, a very very small amount of
like there was no like all the big influencer podcasts
and all the like the bs that they put out
now you know truth bum oh god. So I think
(23:13):
that that's a hurdle. Another hurdle is, yeah, constantly finding guests,
researching and you know, like making sure they're right for
the format and their stories and they're not just these
like someone's like, oh, I have a story, I'm self
indulgent or like, you know, I want to tell my
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grief story or I want to tell my birth story.
Like it's you know, there are podcasts for that for that, yeah, exactly.
So you've got to be like what fits in with
like our you know, genre and story and what we're about.
And it's like so yeah, like that that's a hurdle.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think online recording is a hurdle. Like obviously we've
done the odd zoom pod here and there. Like Joe
Wick's a really good example body Coach. He talked about
some really heavy stuff with his dad, like really really
heavy stuff and it was amazing. He was like, how
deep do you want to go? Loss? Because we'd toured
together in Australia, so we already had an existing friendship,
and I was like, let's go deep and so he
(24:16):
went there. But you're on zoom and so if I
got to chat with him in real life.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh emotional.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, I think now that you bring up Zoom as well,
like COVID, definitely was a hard and interesting time. Yeah,
you know, everything was online during that phase. So although
it was kind of like in a way almost easier
to get guests because everyone was just home doing that,
(24:44):
it was I think harder, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The connection and keep the integrity of sound quality and
the amount of times I've booked guests through publicists and
I'm like, they must have their own mic, they must
have me to deliver me there. And out of all
the guests we've done online, the only person that's done that.
Two people have done that. Actually, do you know who
doctor Carl? He recorded his own audio own centers the
(25:08):
file straight away actor superhandsome actor Joel Jackson.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, yeah, he was like on it and was like
boom and then like trying to do music stuff with you.
He was like creative, ready to roll. Yeah, it's just
so those things I would say logistics. I always say
to people, try to have a few EPs in the
can ahead, Oh you need to. Well that said, we
don't have a few epps in the can right now,
(25:34):
like we're recording this. It's going to come out in
a couple of hours. But usually we have a couple
of epps in the can, Like when I go to
Australia we record, I do two full recording days, one
in Melbourne and one in Sydney, and it's kind of
five six guests a day, like it's insane. But then
we bank them and then we've got them for releasing
down line, And I.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Think people don't realize that. You know, we do travel
quite a lot for the podcast. Yeah, so yeah, you know,
recording in Sydney, recording in Melbourne, wherever we are. When
we were in Byron, we drove to Gold Coast and
Brisbane and did heaps of things.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
News pods I know we've done when do we go
to nusophor Steve Ewens? So, but I don't remember who
I pod it. We did a new supod.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Though, yeah, but yeah, so whatever you do, my travel Advisor,
Oh yeah, whatever you do, it takes a lot more
work and effort than you think.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And and just be like read human behavior, be able
to read when your guest is uncomfortable, be Able to
read when your guest is like nervous, be able to
read when your guest is like going on a tangent
that may not serve the story or the pod. Like
you need to You are your own producer when you're
(26:53):
hosting a pod, so you need to be able to
kind of like reel them back in or like coax them,
or like if if they're not being able to find
the words, kind of like hand drip them, not drip them,
but you know what I mean, feed them like a
little bit of a prompt and then they'll be off
to the races and fine. Like you really need to
feel And I don't mean to sound like bulldog about this,
(27:17):
but you need to be if you're a host, I
think you need to be clear. You need to be prepared,
and you need to be sharp. And I don't mean
sharp like be sharp on your guest, but be able
to help the guests so that if they're going.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To be quick to be reactive, you being like on
top of it, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And read them like I'll often do a lot of research.
Boss knows I'm a bit of a I overdo probably
the research a little bit, and then I will try
not to look at my notes. I still have them
there for a safety net, but I will just try
to connect, connect, connect, and like make eye contact when
they're telling a story, if they're looking up and kind
of like looking around the room and then all of
(27:56):
a sudden, the MIC's far away from their loveday to
the medium, but far out. He pulls that mic away
from his mouth when he's talking. Every time, I'm like,
get the mic.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Okay, boss, not three under the bus.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But Jesus Christ, how many times years of training you
because you get excited too and then your hands go
all over the ye I know, and you're there and
it's like just like just hold it to your.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, I know, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Anyway, look again, it's all a learning process and it
takes time. And if you want to podcasts, like commit
to it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And just do it and give yourself a window be
like I'm going to stick with this for a year
or I'm going to stick with it. And consistency is key.
If you say you're going to bring an episode out
every Wednesday, bring an episode out every Wednesday. If you're not,
if that's too much. Bring one out every second Monday.
Be consistent.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Also, you're not gonna like if you're going in into
it to like be like, oh, I'm going to make
keeps the money in my first like whatever, Like it's
not going to happen. So whatever you do, you have
to invest in yourself. Like we bought this gear, you
and I.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We've had it since the beginning.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, but like we invested in this, we went we
went halves in it?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did we did? We?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
What was it? What it sets back? Like two and
a half grand? No less twelve hundred bucks? Yeah, Also
just on the investment piece in Obviously in Australia we
have access to studios to film in and filmed podcasting
is like a really big thing now. That's where it's
moving that way quite dramatically. Eighty one percent of people
(29:39):
in America prefer to watch them listen. Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So we've been when we book guests in America, I
hire a studio. The cost of that, you got to
hire the studio, you got to hire an editor for videos,
like it turns very quickly into a five hundred dollars project.
So like That's why I don't commit to always being
able to film the whole film really big guess or
people that specify, hey, I really want this filmed, can
(30:04):
we please do it? And I'll be like, this is
the budget? Do you want to help with the butt? Like,
I'm really transparent about that, And I think that that's
really key because if you want to stay consistent, you
need to be able to manage the finances to keep
it consistent as well. Yeah, it's just something to be
aware of. But also the visual is now a big thing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You've got to learn the business of it as well.
You've got to learn the whole.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Business, as with any creative career.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Cool, you know what's next on your list?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well? Then, so we've talked about like the pain points
of podcasting and the hard kind of like things to
navigate and it's such a moving beast. But what are
the things that you think have worked?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And like the.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Highlines, definitely, I think I think the stuff with more depth,
more connection, more heartfelt stories is what works.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Longevity and vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't I don't think and I don't mean this
in a bad way, but I don't think that just
like and as well, this isn't the podcast, Like, obviously
we cealerate failure and business and stuff like that, but
I don't think that just having like a like it's
not a you know, pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Podcast or a grief podcast or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So I think those stories suit better in those specific
genre of podcasts. And unfortunately, I think that we have
become a bit of a narcissistic society that we all
think that our story is valid. And while it is
(31:48):
valid and it is like the journey of your own life,
it doesn't necessarily need to be a podcast. You know,
we did you know, you just did that had the
mic away from your mouth and you just okay and
you were just like talk like away anyway. No, I
was just I was locking in with your boot, so
(32:08):
that yeah, so that is I was going on a
fucking tangent, right, But yes, so we are very narcissistic.
Not every story needs to be a podcast? And fuck
where was I going with this? Boss?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
You were saying that that's where the story like, it
doesn't just need to be.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, yeah, oh yes, that's what works. So I think
that it's.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Those what works, inspiring vulnerable stories from people. But I
think what he's dumb is overly narcissistic, like I just
want to like talk about myself, or like have some
random fucking dude, twenty three year old dude talking about
(32:52):
that he wants his girlfriend to collect stamps or you
know what I mean that we don't need more of that.
We need like the world continually needs more depth and
it needs more inspiration and light. And I think that's
what will works, and I think that's what will continue
to work, and everything else is not that will come
(33:14):
and go.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I also have a theory, and you know that I'm
obsessed with this saying at the moment, which is to
be relentlessly honest. Yeah, but I have a three that
when you're just telling the truth, it won't let you down.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Obviously you can protect certain things that you want to
keep private, or things that feel really sensitive, or things
that aren't yours to share. Of course, like don't do that.
But I mean as far as like if you're being
interviewed or if you are a host or an interviewing
someone and have a pod, like I think by coming
from that place of honesty, not coming from the place
I'm going to share this big thing because I want
(33:50):
the audience to feel something or I want them to
think this of me. I think that's the wrong mentality.
I think it's just got to be like, hey, this
is the honest truth. Yeah, take it or leave it.
Hopefully it helps you, because that's why this podcast exists.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, and not to like obviously not going to name names,
but I feel like you're trying to do that. Definitely
not but I feel like there have been a few
interviews that were a little bit rehearsed stories me yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
With me or guest a guess, not you.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I've interviewed people that have had books and they've told
me they keep I'm like, you need to promote your book.
I'm going to promote it really heavily for you, and
I'll be like, how do you feel about this topic
on chapter sixteen my book?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's like this like rehearsed storyline. It's like people don't
fucking want to hear that people want.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But we've also learned not to say yes to that
kind of guest exactly. We don't someone that's like I
want to come on and promote my business. I'm like, well,
that's not enough of the story. I'm so sorry. This
and I always say, this isn't a podcast to just
advertise yourself. It never is that. It's a podcast to
like share the truth and like show and tell the
(35:03):
listeners that you're giving your dreams a red hot crack. Yeah,
so that it helps them do the same. Like that
is the whole like emo of this podcast, not the
guests buying your online program or buy like we have
that said, we do have a lot of authors on,
(35:24):
but they don't the really good ones like Candae Trance,
Like they don't not spook their like I'm spooking their
books and they'll be like touched if I'd read a book,
Like they're just artists that are so excited that someone's
picked up their books. And of course they're the two
biggest sellers in Australia, yeah, those two authors, because they
come from that space. So I think it's like if
(35:46):
you are going to be a host or a pod
producer or which I would say you're a producer of
this pod. Oh yeah, but I think like, don't be
afraid of like having a really clear boundary about the
themes that you want the pod to be about. The
guess the talk points the I've had a guess on
(36:07):
before and I'm like that topic we won't be talking
about today. I'm like, these are the five topics we're
going to be talking about. And they're like, okay, you know,
like it's your baby, it's your pod, Like protect it
for the audience and make it be what you've worked
so hard to create.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You got to have you got to like keep your
integrity absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah and yeah, yeah, And I just keep coming back
to this being relentlessly honest, Like just be honest.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And you know what again, if you do have to
say no to someone or they don't fit the podcast,
whether it's excuse me, whether it's you or someone else,
like the person like listening to this pod, just be
honest and be like, look, I it's not a perfect
fit for what I do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's not a perfect fit. Like thank you so much.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think it's really like amazing, like what you do.
And also it's ray even takes guts to reach out
and pitch yourself and do all those things.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But you just be like, it's not right.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I said no the other week to a pod as
a guest.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Do you remember. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
They were like the person wrote to me and they're
like Hey, we're Australian. We love everything you do in
the world of wellness. And I was like, okay, red
flag number one. I haven't written a health and wellness
book for what five six years, don't know, Yeah, obviously,
Like that's a huge part of my career that I loved,
but it's not what I do a lot of right now.
(37:29):
I'm much more in acting podcasting land. And there was
no mention in the pod, no mention of acting, no
mention of any like changing of careers. It was just like,
can we you know, have you on and can you
talk about nutrition? And I'm like sure, but I don't
do that anymore. And I'm like so happy to come
on and share, but I'd be more willing to share
(37:52):
what's true for me right now, which is having the
courage to change careers in my mid thirties and go
after one of the hardest careers in the world, which
is I think, move countries and all those scary hard things.
And they responded with can we have a can we
please have a zoom practice call with you? And then
(38:15):
I was like no, Well, I was just like I
don't have the time to do two interviews in one
like this. Might sound really be ego, but I was
just like, I don't have the time for two interviews.
I said, you are more than welcome to email me.
I was like, you can email me pre questions, you
can email me talk points. I just can't jump on
a zoom just to shoot the shit and it not
(38:36):
be for the benefit of your pod. And another good
thing to ask if you are wanting to go on
a pod or if people are pitching to you to
come on their pod, go can I have a couple
of example apps? And they couldn't do that for me
and the pod didn't exist. Yeah, And so I was like,
I can't see stats. I don't know what other talent's like.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, I don't really know what it's about.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, And they wanted wellness and I'm like, there are
there are so many other wellness people in Australia that
can do a better job than me.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So I think on that as well.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
If you are starting a podcast, right, start with your friends, start.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
With people you know as guests.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, like the thing is like, you're not going to
be able to like get a big guest in your
first month of podcasting.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We had Georgia Love.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
It's because we know Georgia love we both meet, Like
I knew Georgia separately to you, you knew her separately
before we even met. You've been friends with Liesel for
like ten years before that, do you know what I mean?
Like all the first season were people that like, we
have their phone numbers and context and call.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
That's true. I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, So it's like, obviously not everyone's in that position
to be like I'm friends with fucking you know, Liesel
and Megan Galeen shit. But if you are starting something,
start with what you can get access to.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Can I also share though, When I started doing more
acting stuff and wanted to get big actors on, I
had no contacts with any of them, and so what
I would do was I would write to their acting
agent and I would send them two example episodes. I'd
just picked the strongest ones as far as like that
were in the same genre. It's like somebody out like
George Loves quite a good one because she's a TV
(40:19):
host and newsreader, and I would pick or I would
pick a name that I feel like they'd know. Again,
Lisal is a great one too, because everyone knows lizel
Jones and I'd be like, here's two example episodes. I
put a little kind of just like one pager pitch yeah, doc,
and I'm just like herego. And often they'll write back,
(40:40):
especially acting agents, what's your budget? And I always go,
there isn't one. Just be really honest with everybody, And
then they still send it to the actor and the
actor says yes, no, Zoe Tarracus, Yeah, I went that.
That's how I got Zoe Tarracus on the pod and
they will flipping unreal, might I say? And I was
quite nervous for Zoe on the pod because I was
just like, I didn't want to like f it up.
(41:03):
I was nervous because they're such an amazing actor. Also
didn't want to stuff up any Zoe Tarracus is non
binary trans as well, and I was like, what if
I say the wrong thing? I was so nervous, And
I actually said that to Zoe before we started recording.
I was like, I'm so sorry if I stuff any
of this up, like I fully respect you, and so
I was like, don't even worry.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So it's like I changed my mind too, don't worry.
But wasn't that a really cool? That was another really
cool interview.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, absolutely, No, it's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Any you regret or want a takedown?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, none, I regret. But some that were hard.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
So I interviewed someone and they bought a whole team
in with them. They bought in like their own publicist
at which I've done episodes many times before with publicists
in the room and their own producer, and it just
(42:01):
changed the energy of it all and it made it
less human for me. And that other one that was
hard was the person that was just like on chapter
six of my book, and I was like, oh my god.
One person that I really enjoyed interviewing. They shared a
(42:23):
effing epic story about a really famous, famous person and
they made us cut it out. Do you remember that
It was such a good story, It was such a
fun and it really humanized this person, Like it made
this person seem.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Likely say the story because it like.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
No, she made us cut it out. She oh sorry,
like say, there we go, we've narrowed it down to
the guests.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well yeah, probably eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah you're right, yeah, But so that stuff can be hard.
I've also had people on that are different in real
life to how they let you kick They are, and
(43:12):
so that's a little bit of a hard pill to
swallow when it's like the veil falls down because you
get to see them off Mic and then on Mike,
and that I'm a little disheartening as far as like
as far as like I'm also and Matt Tommy this
last night. I make the mistake of putting people on
pedestals and it all the time, especially with like creative.
(43:34):
So there's been a few people where I've like gone
to the house been so excited and then I'm like, oh,
you're not that noise. Yeah, there's a bit of that,
but this is using This is like less than five
percent totally.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
This is like a very very few And just going
back to the editing thing. Of all the episodes, there
has never been any major edit in any of the
interviews I reckon There's there was.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
One serious one. Remember, there was one that shared a
really heavy there was yes sexual assault experience, and we
had to cut that.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Out, But that only got cut out after right, not
at the time like later on they asked to cut
it out.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That was one a celeb story we cut.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
And I can't think of any any other major ones.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
One thing I have we haven't talked about we have
lost two episodes.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh yeah, that's probably my fault though.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
We've lost two episodes, one with Jordana, who luckily is
of mate, so she came over and we re recorded.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
The other one was with that sex therapist, remember, yeah,
and we just lost their files. I think they were
both my fault. If I had to be honest, I think, yeah,
I think I wiped the memories.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Luckily Jordana's a friend, so we've really lost one and
you've done like three or four episodes with her. Anyway,
it's an astrology. It's very very cool. Anyway, it's a
good wrap up. I think keep going, and.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I think if I can share like some like titbits,
some really good bits from like some of the guests,
it's like that Candice Fox moment of like feel the
fear and do it anyway, like have the courage, just
like give it a shake, like don't have the regret
of Like I wonder what it'd be like to have
a pod. But I also think, like put on we're
(45:36):
in Virgo season, put on your Burgo cap plant, budget
for it, you know, get help book pod coaching. I
do that by the way you can email me, you know,
like it set it up for yourself so that you're like, Okay,
I've got a plan. Try and get like four to
six episodes in the camp before you release, before you announce,
(45:58):
before you do all the fun insta artwork and all
of that. Like, if you're going to commit, commit and
really like I would say, give it a year. But
if you don't have that amount of time, give it
six months and make it a priority.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Even six months, I think it's too short. Yeah, but
give it. Give it a wide birth to be successful.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
A wide berth. Yeah. Do you mean by like, like
a big area of time? I thought of why birth
means you stay away from something. Huh, I'm giving them
a wide berth.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I thought it's like a like a large distance of
like a like a long a long runway to success.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Maybe I don't know. Don't pull me up on my
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I know what you mean. Give it, give it breathing space,
like give it time to live and morph. And like
ours has changed so much over the years, Like it
definitely went through a phase of being mainly a health
pod of course, was more inspo pod, and then it
was more actor pod. And now it's kind of like
finding its home of just being like, we're sharing really
(47:05):
honest stories to help others.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, exactly right, Love you, love you.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Whou Gang. I hope this is inspiring.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Proud of you seven hundred and whatever, Episode.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Seven hundred and forty eight.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Wow wow wow, love you, love you.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Bye. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.
As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue
the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty
my work for podcast is available on all streaming platforms.
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and of course spread the love.
Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,
and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure
because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,
grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview
a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,
(00:26):
all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.
Welcome to a very special episode. We've just been prepping
the mics before we hit record and bosses in a
very bossy mood today, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wow? You'd think after seven hundred episodes you would know.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's absolute monarchy. So let's dive in. We are here
today to celebrate the podcast turning six years.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Happy birthday, So happy birthday. This is episode seven hundred
and forty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jeez right, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Do you know? I love about this pod?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What's that? Boss?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You? And I unintentionally yeah, made her a virgo. The
first episode came out on the twenty ninth of August
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Did it? Yeah? Ah?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And she turned six And this week what was that
first episode? Georgia Love was our first guest.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh was it? Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But we released a trailer on the twenty ninth of
August twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, come, was Georgia Love the actual first.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Guest, Yes, but I think I interviewed one person before her,
but I.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Got her about first. Amazing. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So we thought we'd do an episode where we just
run through smer like the highlights of having a pod
over the last six years. Also, Boss, congrats, this is
a feat. Podland is not an easy land to navigate.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, congratulations to you. You've put a lot of work
into this.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
There is some crazy statistic like that pods don't live
more than like, isn't it something like one hundred episodes?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think it's probably less less, like like like any
kind of creative endeavors there, they're coming to fashion, They're
like a flash in the pan, and then people don't
have that stickability to continue to do them, you know,
like stickability.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Stickability is that a word?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I love it? Like resilience.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, because it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Here's why I tell anybody, because I coach people on podcasting.
Here's what I tell anybody about podcasting. Podcasting rewards hard work,
Like if you stick with it and you just keep going,
keep going, keep going, and it might not be profitable,
they say in America, they say podcasts aren't profitable. Into
(03:04):
your average downloads per episode sit between three and five thousand,
So that means like a huge percentage are going to
be sitting at like you know, you're just doing it
for the passion of it. Yeah, exactly, which like this
that's how this started, Yeah, of course, and it continues
(03:24):
like that is how this pot is navigated. Like I
still book all the guests, still do all the show notes,
you do all the production side of it, and we
pitch ourselves like we pitch to guests. Guests do get
pitched to us. But if it's not the right fit,
I this is like a baby to me, Like I
protect it. Yeah, you do good job. Well, I'm just
(03:46):
talking about a little bit the beat behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Wait, I think like anything, it's it requires so much
more work than anybody would ever think. Yeah, and I
think it only gets it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Gets harder before it gets easier.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, and there's this kind of like EBB and flow,
like you'll have like a really you'll just have a
really good month, where for me sometimes I get booked.
So there's a difference between you can you might know
the terminology better than me. But there's a difference between
like ads that just pop up like pre mid and
(04:24):
en roll versus a host reading read right, and and
so if you get a host read that's a really
nice payday. But but host reads you can get like
four in a row and then nothing for six months. Yeah, exactly,
Like that's kind of like what's kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Your sponsored ads, But yeah, I think like you know
as well, you can't do constant sponsored ads on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, I so I just have a little bit of
a note here because I'm a bit of a nerd
with preparing this come for So don't let your podcast
content get too comfortable. The comfort zone is the dead zone.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do you like that?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Five creative risks that actually pay off?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Call out call out bs Okay, but that's fine, we
don't really do that. Share your biggest failures. Hello, Hello,
That's what the POD's called. Feel see failure, it says
with receipts, So like, don't just say I failed show
revenue loss, like share an unhappy customer email, like make
it real, talk about the sleepless nights and the tough
(05:36):
days and all of that, which I feel like that's
kind of very us. The other one is like, show
your unpolished process. Well, that's me. We keep We rarely
hit it unless a client asks us for or they
have a massive coughing fit or something like that, and
set public deadlines and goals. Ooh, public failure and loss
(06:01):
of credibility is the risk. But why it works is
people love following a journey, especially when the outcome is uncerned. Yeah,
that's me with the acting. Yeah, I just I just
like to throw a little bit of tipbit information in
there because people that listen to this might be a podcaster.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And I think like as well, you know, you do
have to decide, like you know why why you are
doing a podcast and what you are doing it for.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't think like you can just start a podcast
because I want to like make money or whatever. It
is like it has to start from like a passion,
has to start from something that inspires you to like
talk about and not just have like random conversations.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well yeah, and I don't think it works if you
copy somebody else's format either.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think another cool thing that I read learning about
pods is give the listener a problem and the solution
so with us with this podcast feelessly failing. The problem
is like sometimes we're too scared to chase our dreams
or follow our dreams. And the solution is injuring people
who've done that thing, all in a bid to inspire
(07:13):
us to like, you know, fan that flicker of a
flame in our hearts and turn it into wildfire. Yeah
do you like that? Yeah? Well, okay, So I do
have a format plan for today, So let's start. Do
you have a favorite pod over the last six holy
max six years?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
No, but I am favorite guests. No, No, I don't
have a specific favorite guest, but I did make a
list of ones that I think maybe are your favorite
or I think potentially they are some of the most
iconic interviews that most downloaded. No, just like most most iconic.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay that you think I'm iconic booboo.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, I think that these would be the ones that like, like, look,
every guest is great and brings something special to the table,
you know, But I I would say, one of your
favorite interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Going to say it?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, do you may not say it? Say it? So
I in the top of my list, I've got Dennis Walter.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh, yes, yeah, mister Christmas.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mister Christmas, I've got Dennis Walter. Beautiful voice, beautiful voice,
like very iconic Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I didn't think that's what you were going to say.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, I've got a list like that. They're not like
a ranking list, but there's a few people.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We often re release this episode around Christmas because he's
got to be and he talked about being such a
shy kid and having this dream and he came through
Young Talent time, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, he's also the voice of three. Were you right?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But I think that as well, Like, You've had so
many incredible guests, and I think it's not just about
like fame, it's you know, just iconic stories, iconic people.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That really brought something to the pod.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Okay, next, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I think another one of your favorite EPs and they've
been on twice Chad Patrick.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
No, I didn't have Chad on my list.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I came on and didn't remember. He did a mindfulness
special and we bought out Friday episodes where we talked
about mindfulness. We deep dived like body image managing crisis.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, the next one I had was Candae Fox, the author,
Oh Yeah, she's unreal. Yeah, and I feel like pretty
iconic guests.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I asked her last time I interviewed her, because I
inviewed her when I was in Sydney, and I go,
wats your superpower kind of thing? And she's like, oh,
I'll feel the fear and do it anyway. She's like,
I'm super brave, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
David Gillespie, I love him. Yeah, He's what I think
are your like tops.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
He wrote a book and we used to tour together
because we were both health authors, because he wrote Sweet
Poison and the books about like the fructos and how
it can be bad for you. But then he wrote
a book about psychopaths.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, I read it. Owen Teal.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, there, that's that's my list. Was that the top
of your list is my He is my holy grail
number one. Yeah. Yeah, not to discount from anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Anyone else, exactly. We're not We're not put this like this.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I have I have a barometer. Though I do have
a barometer. I have only cried for two guests and
he I had to hold it in because I hadn't
met him before. But when he hugged me at the end.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
He was the other guest, Trent Dalton. I didn't have
him on my list. I've forgotten.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I cried during and like during the recording and I
was like far out. And then but Owen when he
hugged me at the end and he goes, because I
didn't have the hurried to tell him I was an
actor at the start, and then he goes making me
emotional thinking about it, and then he goes, you've got
you've got a spark, like you have to He's like,
you have to keep going. And he hugged me and
(11:12):
this thing and he's like six foot seven or something,
he's so tall, and he hugged me and then he
just pulled me in for a second, like bigger hug
and I remember being like, I've been touched by an angel.
I've been I've been blessed people at a Welsh angel?
Is that what it is? Yeah, often says this to
(11:33):
me if I have interviewed someone Breton, I also got
a bit emotional with.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, people with depths.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Also, like in general, like a lot of like pretty
influential iconic people.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Joe Wicks, Oh, the body coach.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Body coach, you know, like that guy's got a.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Am version of order like the Queen, you know what
I mean, Like that's fucking you know, like he's done. Yeah,
he's done a lot. I think another in general thing
that you've loved is the crime specials.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
David the Medium.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And you've done a few of them and you love
them even Like I just I was like scrolling through
looking at like guests and stuff like that. But we
remember we like drove to Barrel to do collect dinnigan.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh that was so funny. And she was showing us
her chicken, showing us her chicken. She got phone calls
in the member, she got a phone.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, and we had stopped and I don't know, I
think that like I just had like a nice memory
of that, Like you know, we went to Sydney, we
drove from Sydney about or whybe we drove from Byron
to Barrel.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't even remember.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know either, but yeah, like I was like, funk,
We've done like some nice like experiences. You know, we
had a lot of iconic Aussies, iconic people, and I
think that like that's all I've got. But I've also
written down that we've shared like everything about our life
(13:12):
for the last six years, like everything.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
To give an example, well, like we only get one
thing secret off the pod.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Oh yeah, do you know that what that is? Yeah,
you can probably say now, huh they bought a house.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, we kept that secret only because we've never done
it before and we just it was out. We really
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Just for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And right after buying it, we did IVF and we
shared the whole IVF.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah exactly, but I was saying, yeah, so we've shared
everything about our lives, and you know, like we moved
in Covid and we moved to like tal Quay, and
then that whole journey and that whole bit of our life,
and then we moved to Byron and then we shared
all of that part of our life.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And then you know, you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Like shared you coming to America and me saying Empyron
and that part of our lives. And then yeah, we
did the IVF and shared all of that part of
our lives. So yeah, I think it's I think it's
it's been nice to share every every season and every phase.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Well, not to get too heavy on the stats or anything,
but the diary episodes traditionally do the best. Yeah, stat wise,
and I still remember my first pot agents when we
first started told me, they're like, you have to do
it once a week diary, and I was like, that
feels narcissistic. I'm sorry, I don't want to do it,
and they're like, it is essentially an extension of the
way you talk to stories on Instagram and that's why
(14:44):
it happened. I feel like that was my idea, was it?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I thought it was my first part manager, the hot
seat and the diary both mind.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, see I get no credit in this house. I'll
be no correct.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now I mentioned someone else iconic, but I really enjoyed
having on and I'd love to have ON again.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I've probably forgotten so many people, but I was just
like top of my mind, little scroll.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Through Lisal Jones Olympian, Yeah, amazing, like gold medalist at
seventeen prinstrope, Yeah cool, like written a riper book. It
really opened about mental health struggles. Yeah, I thought Lisal
and she was actually like my third person i'd ever interviewed.
She's episode nine. Yeah, but I thought she was just
(15:32):
like I remember I had to go to a hotel
she was visiting Melbourne and it was just cool, was
like Catchampman. It was a long interview with the interviews
over time have got slightly shorter just because of people's
attention span. Yeah, and we want to mirror that and
make sure that we're honoring.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And I think it's better to have shorter chats than
editor chat down agreed.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, our chats still sit at like thirty five forty.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I think forty, like still forty five to almost an
hour sometimes. Yeah, yeah, forty five is roughly, I reckon
the longest.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Now do you know who else I was sinking? And
it only came into my mind because it's twenty five
years since the movie came out. Pe Miranda, Yeah, looking
Vali Brandy. And of course we've had Anthony Lapalia on
as well, who plays my dad on looking Bali Brandy.
So there's been some like goodies. But do you know
what I was thinking. We've covered a lot of genres
(16:25):
like health. We've had like nutritionists, natural path what was
that doctor Gina the habits coach?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, Gina.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
She was really cool. She was really really cool. Has
so many yogis on, like Duncan Harvey Iron and Duncan Pete,
founder of power living Ian Finn, but somebody that I
because we both kind of like spent some time before
we recorded this episode today just researching, and there was
someone that really I loved. I was quite nervous to
(16:56):
interview big wave surfer Mark Matthews. That is episode three
hundred and three, and I was like, Holy Mac. Of
course I was so nervous. I had only recorded like
three hundred episodes. I know it sounds like a lot,
but as far as a podcasting host goes, I was
still in my infancy, like I wasn't able to do
(17:17):
what I'm able to do now, which is like if
a guest comes on and I can feel their nervous,
like I can kind of like change my energy a
bit to help them. I was so anxious about anyone
that was like a big name guess that I would
wouldn't be able to control like create a safe space
for them, because I was just nervous about like getting
(17:37):
it right. And now I'm like, oh, like, oh, my
goal is to create a space where they feel the
guest feels comfortable to share.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I've loved doing the actor diary life, and I noticed
that that started from when I came to La on
my own years ago twenty one. Yeah, and we would
do a lot of long distance. I thought Hugh Van
Kylemberg was a good.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I had him on my list. Actually I forgot to
say him. Yeah, don't forget anyone else.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I feel like, what are you doing booboo?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No, yeah, I have do you know Gens I had
on my list, but like only to fulfill my boyhood crush.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Megan Gail Ah, she's on my list.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, I thought, and like very iconic, so beautifully yeah,
and like definitely a bit of a crush.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But like, look at you admitting these crushes.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, I mean like she's sucking old, two kids, and I.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Mean my whole boss forty In like three weeks she
would be.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
What like mid forties late forties now, yeah, I mean
her husband's legend as well, also hands.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And we got to know him in Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's right. He's been on the pod tooot.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah. Sean Hampsen, Sean Hampsen is it ham Yeah, I
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Is also for anyone listening. I know we just brushed
over the IVF, but it's actually a four part series.
It's around about three hundred and twenty four If you
want to look up the episode number. We released one
each Monday, and then I went back and did a
special where I interviewed a IVF.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Specialist, doctor Steven L. LG.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He was so cool. That's my memory, yeah, I yeah,
I remember his name because they I had to learn.
It's the way you say LGA isn't how it's spelled. Yeah,
And so I look at I see you know in Australia,
we've got the home Where's good like brand alg Yeah,
I have to I see that logo when I say
(19:40):
his name, I probably just overshared a thought.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Then tonight you got like a visual Q for your memory?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Correct, I do. Breton Vivian obviously, such a goodie. He's
another one. I got a motion about after he left,
just for like the the passion that's episode two eighty three.
So cool, like just looking back at it all, like
Michaeleabannis like this. Yeah, real goodies obviously, like for me
(20:07):
as well, like being here as an actor and being
able to interview so many incredible actors.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh and Teal, Damon Harriman, anthy La Palia Pa, Miranda
ash Brewer came on. Ah yeah, Ashbury, Travis Jeffery has
been on twice. Yeah, like, we've had some pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Who's the other oss the actor tall guy Gary Sweet, Yeah,
Gary Sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But also the one quite quite good.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Looking guy, Lincoln Unice.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well, yeah him too, not the one I was thinking,
he's so handsome, remember when.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
We did the interview or like, yeah, he's he's an
eleven out of ten.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, he's very good looking. Yeah. Yeah, I mean like, yeah,
a lot a lot of good actors, a lot of
good actors.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Do you know what else? We've covered a lot of
natural disasters boo yeah, fire and by floods. We've literally
lived through La wildfires. Yeah, the cyclone when we went
back there was a cyclone. Yeah, And I was thinking,
another interesting thing that I covered when I quarantined when
(21:09):
I came back to bring out the book feelessly failing,
and then I had to quarantine in Sydney for two
weeks in a hotel. There's a whole app around that.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I remember. We definitely have been like through it.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think we have that is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Flood the natural disasters. I feel like my resilience for
natural disasters is just like gone through the roof.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Remember last year I had a special psychologist on that
specializes in natural disasters. That was a really good app
to look. So all this to say to you, the listener,
thank you, because it wonn't exist without you guys. So, okay,
can we be really honest? So what's been some hard
points of the pod? Like let's share the truth, like
(21:54):
let's be real. I think there's been hard points at
all different phases. So obviously when we were starting, you
know that the hard parts of that is trying to
figure everything out and to be honest, like you know,
not talking my chaff. But you do have a music
(22:15):
producer slash composer of a boyfriend, so there are some
interchangeable skills there. So I think, you know, for other
people that would be a hurdle, you know, like getting
the sound right and recording and equipment to buy and
what microphones and but you know, we still had our
(22:37):
own challenges there, like had to be researched, had to
be and to be honest. We also started like six
years ago. The podcast space wasn't at like that big.
It was still very small.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
There was only like a few podcasts of people that
we knew, you know, a very very small amount of
like there was no like all the big influencer podcasts
and all the like the bs that they put out
now you know truth bum oh god. So I think
(23:13):
that that's a hurdle. Another hurdle is, yeah, constantly finding guests,
researching and you know, like making sure they're right for
the format and their stories and they're not just these
like someone's like, oh, I have a story, I'm self
indulgent or like, you know, I want to tell my
(23:35):
grief story or I want to tell my birth story.
Like it's you know, there are podcasts for that for that, yeah, exactly.
So you've got to be like what fits in with
like our you know, genre and story and what we're about.
And it's like so yeah, like that that's a hurdle.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think online recording is a hurdle. Like obviously we've
done the odd zoom pod here and there. Like Joe
Wick's a really good example body Coach. He talked about
some really heavy stuff with his dad, like really really
heavy stuff and it was amazing. He was like, how
deep do you want to go? Loss? Because we'd toured
together in Australia, so we already had an existing friendship,
and I was like, let's go deep and so he
(24:16):
went there. But you're on zoom and so if I
got to chat with him in real life.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh emotional.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, I think now that you bring up Zoom as well,
like COVID, definitely was a hard and interesting time. Yeah,
you know, everything was online during that phase. So although
it was kind of like in a way almost easier
to get guests because everyone was just home doing that,
(24:44):
it was I think harder, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The connection and keep the integrity of sound quality and
the amount of times I've booked guests through publicists and
I'm like, they must have their own mic, they must
have me to deliver me there. And out of all
the guests we've done online, the only person that's done that.
Two people have done that. Actually, do you know who
doctor Carl? He recorded his own audio own centers the
(25:08):
file straight away actor superhandsome actor Joel Jackson.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, yeah, he was like on it and was like
boom and then like trying to do music stuff with you.
He was like creative, ready to roll. Yeah, it's just
so those things I would say logistics. I always say
to people, try to have a few EPs in the
can ahead, Oh you need to. Well that said, we
don't have a few epps in the can right now,
(25:34):
like we're recording this. It's going to come out in
a couple of hours. But usually we have a couple
of epps in the can, Like when I go to
Australia we record, I do two full recording days, one
in Melbourne and one in Sydney, and it's kind of
five six guests a day, like it's insane. But then
we bank them and then we've got them for releasing
down line, And I.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Think people don't realize that. You know, we do travel
quite a lot for the podcast. Yeah, so yeah, you know,
recording in Sydney, recording in Melbourne, wherever we are. When
we were in Byron, we drove to Gold Coast and
Brisbane and did heaps of things.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
News pods I know we've done when do we go
to nusophor Steve Ewens? So, but I don't remember who
I pod it. We did a new supod.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Though, yeah, but yeah, so whatever you do, my travel Advisor,
Oh yeah, whatever you do, it takes a lot more
work and effort than you think.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And and just be like read human behavior, be able
to read when your guest is uncomfortable, be Able to
read when your guest is like nervous, be able to
read when your guest is like going on a tangent
that may not serve the story or the pod. Like
you need to You are your own producer when you're
(26:53):
hosting a pod, so you need to be able to
kind of like reel them back in or like coax them,
or like if if they're not being able to find
the words, kind of like hand drip them, not drip them,
but you know what I mean, feed them like a
little bit of a prompt and then they'll be off
to the races and fine. Like you really need to
feel And I don't mean to sound like bulldog about this,
(27:17):
but you need to be if you're a host, I
think you need to be clear. You need to be prepared,
and you need to be sharp. And I don't mean
sharp like be sharp on your guest, but be able
to help the guests so that if they're going.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To be quick to be reactive, you being like on
top of it, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And read them like I'll often do a lot of research.
Boss knows I'm a bit of a I overdo probably
the research a little bit, and then I will try
not to look at my notes. I still have them
there for a safety net, but I will just try
to connect, connect, connect, and like make eye contact when
they're telling a story, if they're looking up and kind
of like looking around the room and then all of
(27:56):
a sudden, the MIC's far away from their loveday to
the medium, but far out. He pulls that mic away
from his mouth when he's talking. Every time, I'm like,
get the mic.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Okay, boss, not three under the bus.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But Jesus Christ, how many times years of training you
because you get excited too and then your hands go
all over the ye I know, and you're there and
it's like just like just hold it to your.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, I know, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Anyway, look again, it's all a learning process and it
takes time. And if you want to podcasts, like commit
to it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And just do it and give yourself a window be
like I'm going to stick with this for a year
or I'm going to stick with it. And consistency is key.
If you say you're going to bring an episode out
every Wednesday, bring an episode out every Wednesday. If you're not,
if that's too much. Bring one out every second Monday.
Be consistent.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Also, you're not gonna like if you're going in into
it to like be like, oh, I'm going to make
keeps the money in my first like whatever, Like it's
not going to happen. So whatever you do, you have
to invest in yourself. Like we bought this gear, you
and I.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We've had it since the beginning.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, but like we invested in this, we went we
went halves in it?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did we did? We?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
What was it? What it sets back? Like two and
a half grand? No less twelve hundred bucks? Yeah, Also
just on the investment piece in Obviously in Australia we
have access to studios to film in and filmed podcasting
is like a really big thing now. That's where it's
moving that way quite dramatically. Eighty one percent of people
(29:39):
in America prefer to watch them listen. Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So we've been when we book guests in America, I
hire a studio. The cost of that, you got to
hire the studio, you got to hire an editor for videos,
like it turns very quickly into a five hundred dollars project.
So like That's why I don't commit to always being
able to film the whole film really big guess or
people that specify, hey, I really want this filmed, can
(30:04):
we please do it? And I'll be like, this is
the budget? Do you want to help with the butt? Like,
I'm really transparent about that, And I think that that's
really key because if you want to stay consistent, you
need to be able to manage the finances to keep
it consistent as well. Yeah, it's just something to be
aware of. But also the visual is now a big thing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You've got to learn the business of it as well.
You've got to learn the whole.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Business, as with any creative career.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Cool, you know what's next on your list?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well? Then, so we've talked about like the pain points
of podcasting and the hard kind of like things to
navigate and it's such a moving beast. But what are
the things that you think have worked?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And like the.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Highlines, definitely, I think I think the stuff with more depth,
more connection, more heartfelt stories is what works.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Longevity and vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't I don't think and I don't mean this
in a bad way, but I don't think that just
like and as well, this isn't the podcast, Like, obviously
we cealerate failure and business and stuff like that, but
I don't think that just having like a like it's
not a you know, pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Podcast or a grief podcast or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So I think those stories suit better in those specific
genre of podcasts. And unfortunately, I think that we have
become a bit of a narcissistic society that we all
think that our story is valid. And while it is
(31:48):
valid and it is like the journey of your own life,
it doesn't necessarily need to be a podcast. You know,
we did you know, you just did that had the
mic away from your mouth and you just okay and
you were just like talk like away anyway. No, I
was just I was locking in with your boot, so
(32:08):
that yeah, so that is I was going on a
fucking tangent, right, But yes, so we are very narcissistic.
Not every story needs to be a podcast? And fuck
where was I going with this? Boss?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
You were saying that that's where the story like, it
doesn't just need to be.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, yeah, oh yes, that's what works. So I think
that it's.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Those what works, inspiring vulnerable stories from people. But I
think what he's dumb is overly narcissistic, like I just
want to like talk about myself, or like have some
random fucking dude, twenty three year old dude talking about
(32:52):
that he wants his girlfriend to collect stamps or you
know what I mean that we don't need more of that.
We need like the world continually needs more depth and
it needs more inspiration and light. And I think that's
what will works, and I think that's what will continue
to work, and everything else is not that will come
(33:14):
and go.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I also have a theory, and you know that I'm
obsessed with this saying at the moment, which is to
be relentlessly honest. Yeah, but I have a three that
when you're just telling the truth, it won't let you down.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Obviously you can protect certain things that you want to
keep private, or things that feel really sensitive, or things
that aren't yours to share. Of course, like don't do that.
But I mean as far as like if you're being
interviewed or if you are a host or an interviewing
someone and have a pod, like I think by coming
from that place of honesty, not coming from the place
I'm going to share this big thing because I want
(33:50):
the audience to feel something or I want them to
think this of me. I think that's the wrong mentality.
I think it's just got to be like, hey, this
is the honest truth. Yeah, take it or leave it.
Hopefully it helps you, because that's why this podcast exists.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, and not to like obviously not going to name names,
but I feel like you're trying to do that. Definitely
not but I feel like there have been a few
interviews that were a little bit rehearsed stories me yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
With me or guest a guess, not you.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I've interviewed people that have had books and they've told
me they keep I'm like, you need to promote your book.
I'm going to promote it really heavily for you, and
I'll be like, how do you feel about this topic
on chapter sixteen my book?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's like this like rehearsed storyline. It's like people don't
fucking want to hear that people want.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But we've also learned not to say yes to that
kind of guest exactly. We don't someone that's like I
want to come on and promote my business. I'm like, well,
that's not enough of the story. I'm so sorry. This
and I always say, this isn't a podcast to just
advertise yourself. It never is that. It's a podcast to
like share the truth and like show and tell the
(35:03):
listeners that you're giving your dreams a red hot crack. Yeah,
so that it helps them do the same. Like that
is the whole like emo of this podcast, not the
guests buying your online program or buy like we have
that said, we do have a lot of authors on,
(35:24):
but they don't the really good ones like Candae Trance,
Like they don't not spook their like I'm spooking their
books and they'll be like touched if I'd read a book,
Like they're just artists that are so excited that someone's
picked up their books. And of course they're the two
biggest sellers in Australia, yeah, those two authors, because they
come from that space. So I think it's like if
(35:46):
you are going to be a host or a pod
producer or which I would say you're a producer of
this pod. Oh yeah, but I think like, don't be
afraid of like having a really clear boundary about the
themes that you want the pod to be about. The
guess the talk points the I've had a guess on
(36:07):
before and I'm like that topic we won't be talking
about today. I'm like, these are the five topics we're
going to be talking about. And they're like, okay, you know,
like it's your baby, it's your pod, Like protect it
for the audience and make it be what you've worked
so hard to create.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You got to have you got to like keep your
integrity absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah and yeah, yeah, And I just keep coming back
to this being relentlessly honest, Like just be honest.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And you know what again, if you do have to
say no to someone or they don't fit the podcast,
whether it's excuse me, whether it's you or someone else,
like the person like listening to this pod, just be
honest and be like, look, I it's not a perfect
fit for what I do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's not a perfect fit. Like thank you so much.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think it's really like amazing, like what you do.
And also it's ray even takes guts to reach out
and pitch yourself and do all those things.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But you just be like, it's not right.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I said no the other week to a pod as
a guest.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Do you remember. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
They were like the person wrote to me and they're
like Hey, we're Australian. We love everything you do in
the world of wellness. And I was like, okay, red
flag number one. I haven't written a health and wellness
book for what five six years, don't know, Yeah, obviously,
Like that's a huge part of my career that I loved,
but it's not what I do a lot of right now.
(37:29):
I'm much more in acting podcasting land. And there was
no mention in the pod, no mention of acting, no
mention of any like changing of careers. It was just like,
can we you know, have you on and can you
talk about nutrition? And I'm like sure, but I don't
do that anymore. And I'm like so happy to come
on and share, but I'd be more willing to share
(37:52):
what's true for me right now, which is having the
courage to change careers in my mid thirties and go
after one of the hardest careers in the world, which
is I think, move countries and all those scary hard things.
And they responded with can we have a can we
please have a zoom practice call with you? And then
(38:15):
I was like no, Well, I was just like I
don't have the time to do two interviews in one
like this. Might sound really be ego, but I was
just like, I don't have the time for two interviews.
I said, you are more than welcome to email me.
I was like, you can email me pre questions, you
can email me talk points. I just can't jump on
a zoom just to shoot the shit and it not
(38:36):
be for the benefit of your pod. And another good
thing to ask if you are wanting to go on
a pod or if people are pitching to you to
come on their pod, go can I have a couple
of example apps? And they couldn't do that for me
and the pod didn't exist. Yeah, And so I was like,
I can't see stats. I don't know what other talent's like.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, I don't really know what it's about.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, And they wanted wellness and I'm like, there are
there are so many other wellness people in Australia that
can do a better job than me.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So I think on that as well.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
If you are starting a podcast, right, start with your friends, start.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
With people you know as guests.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, like the thing is like, you're not going to
be able to like get a big guest in your
first month of podcasting.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We had Georgia Love.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
It's because we know Georgia love we both meet, Like
I knew Georgia separately to you, you knew her separately
before we even met. You've been friends with Liesel for
like ten years before that, do you know what I mean?
Like all the first season were people that like, we
have their phone numbers and context and call.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
That's true. I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, So it's like, obviously not everyone's in that position
to be like I'm friends with fucking you know, Liesel
and Megan Galeen shit. But if you are starting something,
start with what you can get access to.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Can I also share though, When I started doing more
acting stuff and wanted to get big actors on, I
had no contacts with any of them, and so what
I would do was I would write to their acting
agent and I would send them two example episodes. I'd
just picked the strongest ones as far as like that
were in the same genre. It's like somebody out like
George Loves quite a good one because she's a TV
(40:19):
host and newsreader, and I would pick or I would
pick a name that I feel like they'd know. Again,
Lisal is a great one too, because everyone knows lizel
Jones and I'd be like, here's two example episodes. I
put a little kind of just like one pager pitch yeah, doc,
and I'm just like herego. And often they'll write back,
(40:40):
especially acting agents, what's your budget? And I always go,
there isn't one. Just be really honest with everybody, And
then they still send it to the actor and the
actor says yes, no, Zoe Tarracus, Yeah, I went that.
That's how I got Zoe Tarracus on the pod and
they will flipping unreal, might I say? And I was
quite nervous for Zoe on the pod because I was
just like, I didn't want to like f it up.
(41:03):
I was nervous because they're such an amazing actor. Also
didn't want to stuff up any Zoe Tarracus is non
binary trans as well, and I was like, what if
I say the wrong thing? I was so nervous, And
I actually said that to Zoe before we started recording.
I was like, I'm so sorry if I stuff any
of this up, like I fully respect you, and so
I was like, don't even worry.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So it's like I changed my mind too, don't worry.
But wasn't that a really cool? That was another really
cool interview.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, absolutely, No, it's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Any you regret or want a takedown?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, none, I regret. But some that were hard.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
So I interviewed someone and they bought a whole team
in with them. They bought in like their own publicist
at which I've done episodes many times before with publicists
in the room and their own producer, and it just
(42:01):
changed the energy of it all and it made it
less human for me. And that other one that was
hard was the person that was just like on chapter
six of my book, and I was like, oh my god.
One person that I really enjoyed interviewing. They shared a
(42:23):
effing epic story about a really famous, famous person and
they made us cut it out. Do you remember that
It was such a good story, It was such a
fun and it really humanized this person, Like it made
this person seem.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Likely say the story because it like.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
No, she made us cut it out. She oh sorry,
like say, there we go, we've narrowed it down to
the guests.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well yeah, probably eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah you're right, yeah, But so that stuff can be hard.
I've also had people on that are different in real
life to how they let you kick They are, and
(43:12):
so that's a little bit of a hard pill to
swallow when it's like the veil falls down because you
get to see them off Mic and then on Mike,
and that I'm a little disheartening as far as like
as far as like I'm also and Matt Tommy this
last night. I make the mistake of putting people on
pedestals and it all the time, especially with like creative.
(43:34):
So there's been a few people where I've like gone
to the house been so excited and then I'm like, oh,
you're not that noise. Yeah, there's a bit of that,
but this is using This is like less than five
percent totally.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
This is like a very very few And just going
back to the editing thing. Of all the episodes, there
has never been any major edit in any of the
interviews I reckon There's there was.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
One serious one. Remember, there was one that shared a
really heavy there was yes sexual assault experience, and we
had to cut that.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Out, But that only got cut out after right, not
at the time like later on they asked to cut
it out.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That was one a celeb story we cut.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
And I can't think of any any other major ones.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
One thing I have we haven't talked about we have
lost two episodes.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh yeah, that's probably my fault though.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
We've lost two episodes, one with Jordana, who luckily is
of mate, so she came over and we re recorded.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
The other one was with that sex therapist, remember, yeah,
and we just lost their files. I think they were
both my fault. If I had to be honest, I think, yeah,
I think I wiped the memories.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Luckily Jordana's a friend, so we've really lost one and
you've done like three or four episodes with her. Anyway,
it's an astrology. It's very very cool. Anyway, it's a
good wrap up. I think keep going, and.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I think if I can share like some like titbits,
some really good bits from like some of the guests,
it's like that Candice Fox moment of like feel the
fear and do it anyway, like have the courage, just
like give it a shake, like don't have the regret
of Like I wonder what it'd be like to have
a pod. But I also think, like put on we're
(45:36):
in Virgo season, put on your Burgo cap plant, budget
for it, you know, get help book pod coaching. I
do that by the way you can email me, you know,
like it set it up for yourself so that you're like, Okay,
I've got a plan. Try and get like four to
six episodes in the camp before you release, before you announce,
(45:58):
before you do all the fun insta artwork and all
of that. Like, if you're going to commit, commit and
really like I would say, give it a year. But
if you don't have that amount of time, give it
six months and make it a priority.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Even six months, I think it's too short. Yeah, but
give it. Give it a wide birth to be successful.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
A wide berth. Yeah. Do you mean by like, like
a big area of time? I thought of why birth
means you stay away from something. Huh, I'm giving them
a wide berth.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I thought it's like a like a large distance of
like a like a long a long runway to success.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Maybe I don't know. Don't pull me up on my
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I know what you mean. Give it, give it breathing space,
like give it time to live and morph. And like
ours has changed so much over the years, Like it
definitely went through a phase of being mainly a health
pod of course, was more inspo pod, and then it
was more actor pod. And now it's kind of like
finding its home of just being like, we're sharing really
(47:05):
honest stories to help others.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, exactly right, Love you, love you.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Whou Gang. I hope this is inspiring.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Proud of you seven hundred and whatever, Episode.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Seven hundred and forty eight.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Wow wow wow, love you, love you.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Bye. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.
As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue
the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty
my work for podcast is available on all streaming platforms.
(47:43):
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