October 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Finding Freedom in Vulnerability with actor Emma Horn
Emma Horn's infectious authenticity captivates from the moment she speaks. In this raw conversation the actor, podcaster, and content creator reveals how sharing her most vulnerable moments online; from anxiety attacks to period struggles, has created a safe space for others.
Emma's approach to mental health is refreshingly transparent. Rather than curating polished "after" moments, she films herself in real-time during anxiety attacks, creating content that normalizes the messy reality of being human. Her willingness to discuss taboo topics has fostered a community where people feel seen in their struggles.
Timestamps:
- 3:45: Emma discusses why she shares mental health journey in real-time
- 8:30: Breaking period taboos through honest conversation
- 14:20: Emma's acting journey and experience on "Class of '07"
- 25:15: Her approach to auditions and content creation
- 32:40: Emma's ADHD diagnosis journey and how it shaped her
- 40:25: Advice for aspiring actors and creatives
- 46:15: Oracle card readings reveal synchronicity and soulmate connections
Emma's creative philosophy emerges throughout: make your own opportunities, know your worth beyond bookings, and don't hold on too tight to outcomes. Her upcoming podcast promises to continue her mission of normalizing neurodivergent experiences and oversharing.
You can follow Emma on insta here: https://www.instagram.com/emmahornnn/
And TikTok here: https://www.tiktok.com/@emmahorn
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Get a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer.
This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe
it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face
our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest
about their highs as well as their lows, all in
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a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Welcome to
the podcast. Today we have Emma Horn, actor, podcaster, content creator,
ginormous TikTok following and insta following. Also all round legend.
This chat should to you. I feel like, well, this
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is how it felt to me two butto's having a
Kappa pulling oracle cards, and Emma was kind enough to
pull an oracle card for you, the listener.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I hope you love this chart.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It is for anybody, any creative, anyone that just wants
to live to the beat of their own drum. I
feel like that is Emma in a nutshell. So I
hope you love this chart. Emma, You're flipping wonderful. Emma Horn,
Welcome to the pod, my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Tech you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Mate, You're an amazing actor. I can say podcaster, can't
I podcaster? Also incredible creator. I have literally inhaled your TikTok.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I went back as far as I could go.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Do you know what though, I this year I deleted
so many while I like private at them like I'm
not getting like three hundred because it went back too far.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I got back as far as the confessions of the breakup,
of the relationship breakup.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I hear them, Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's as quite confession.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And I left.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know what, I would have left a few because
like you want to leave a few, you want to
leave some.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You definitely left some little sprinkles in there for sure.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
How good I just deleted? You know, I had tiktoks
with my eggs and stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So the thing that I love most about the content
you share is it's just very like non filtered, raw vulnerable.
You're also really open about mental health ADHD, being neurodivergent.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yep, like, mate, there's not too much that I don't share.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I will say, can I ask.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A little bit about you sharing like anxiety attacks and
kind of like self soothing, Yes, please do no.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But like so.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Initially to watch that, I'm like, oh, this is kind
of confronting to watch because obviously a lot of people
have felt those feelings.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But seeing you in the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Like calm and kind of like process in real time
is kind of empowering too, to know that you can.
It's kind of like okay to feel messy, for lack
of a better word. Yeah, is that kind of the
reasoning behind sharing this? Is it like I want to
like take the mask off and just let people see
that it's totally okay to have a shit day.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Are you Are you thinking about my bathroom my bathroom floor?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah? Videos?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people really like them, you know. I think, you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Know, it's so easy to like, you know, create like
a montage video or like share kind of the aftermath
of like going through kind of a meltdown or anxiety
attack or however, you know, overwhelm, which I get a
lot and I think I'm so people always A lot
of people, actually a lot of men, have an issue
around sharing in the moment mental health stuff. They're like,
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what do you mean she just sits off a phone,
And I'm like, yeah, I literally do that every second
of my life. It's so natural for me to sit
my phone there. It doesn't like I'm not being like
let's put my phone here and now I'll cry. I'm like,
I'm already whole my phone. We're all on our phones
like constantly, and I think, yeah, I just want to
share like the realities of it. And instead of kind
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of being like, look what we can achieve after we
can do it, here's all the tips and tricks, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Like, but this is the reality.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like it's okay, you might see some highlights of my
life or anything like that, but this is usually a.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Lot of the time. But I find that so empowering.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
As somebody that can get really overwhelmed, I'm like, oh this,
I imagine so many people look at your content and
they're like, oh I feel seen. And I love the
way you talk about periods and all of that as well. Yeah,
but like no, truly, like yeah, just kind of like
humanize things that for so many years and I'm like
a solid ten years older than you, we're kind of taboo, yeah, right,
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Like we weren't really like allowed to celebrate our period,
you know, like younger, So like, yeah, I feel like
you're just like, if this this is who I.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Am, I'm like, why are we not sharing it?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Though?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, it's insane to me, like I everyone wanted. I
did a period video around how heavy my.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Flow I don't even know what to call it, Americans.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How heavy my flow is?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And because I asked my sisters one day, I was like, guys,
we you know, a bunch of us. I have four
sisters and we're like, oh, we also we have heavy periods.
But then I sent them a video of my period
in the shower because I was like, why the fuck
have we not seen.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Each other's period? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And they were like, oh, so that's what you mean
when you say heavy, because that's not mine, like yours
is heavy, heavy, And I'm like, fuck, how many people
out there are being told like, oh, yeah, that's just
a heavy period.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm like, maybe we're like literally bleeding out.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I shit that online and people.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Will like, please show us, but I can't because blood
will be censored immediately, which kind of weird because it's
period blood.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But I get it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So yeah, if you want to know, it's heavy and
it's full of cloths.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Do you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm a nutritionist and we were trained to measure clots
like you have to learn. You do a whole semester
on periods to another whole semester on the Pooh.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Literally, yeah, I'll go my peoo, wouldn't be good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, you're traveling, right, like you're in another country.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You're traveling.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's okay, it's normal.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's so true. I feel like it's been better here.
Maybe that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I feel like LA suits you. How do you
feel being here?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I love it, I really really do.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I think I am hesitant to say that I
love it because you know, Australia is such a beautiful country.
It feels safe. But coming here I always feel like creatively,
so inspired and just I get shit done. Yeah, and
like I feel so much more like myself. Also, like
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funnily you had Claire Lovering on the podcast. Yes, we
have done LA a couple of times, like around the
same time, and we always say like, when we're in LA,
you just know what to wear, Like it just comes
so easily, like we're just like I just know myself.
I just know what to wear. And that's just how
I describe it every more like I'm not. It just
comes easy. So yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's a good sign. I think that's a good barometer
for you.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I've also deep dived your videos where you like,
don't mind the feeling of fat, And now.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm thinking about the color shirt. The color of my
shirt right now, I knew it is touching my neck,
which is fine, it's okay today, but sometimes it's just not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, but it's interesting that here you don't feel like
that way, you know what I mean? That's kind of true, right,
Maybe one thing I do feel about America is you're
totally free to be used as far as like you
can walk down the street, like I just bought my
first cowboy hat. We went away and I was wearing
the cowboy hat everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
In Australia, I'm like, I could probably only wear that
in Byron Bay, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I think like especially in a really like the tall
poppy syndrome is really really prominent, and I think people
are quite scared to like be themselves or maybe don't
even really know what themselves are, if that makes sense.
And here it's I don't know, it feels more celebrated
to kind of just like step out, even though weirdly
(08:19):
it's more like.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Competitive as well.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
But I think there's more opportunities though, so like people
are like, yeah, we get it, like go off, queen, queen,
Queen King. They them go do the thing like yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I feel you. I'm I think I'm on the same
page with that. But at the same time, there's something
so beautiful about going home as well and going yeah
in Australia.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I no, there's not, no, there is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You were trying to change a flight where you were like.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I was trying to change it and New Zealand. Can
we please do a brand colub right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Now, I'll just put my hat in the ring there
as well. Faces So okay, I have to say. So
you mentioned lovering, she jumped on the pod, and so
as soon as she said yees, she jumped on the pod.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I started watching Class Fox seven. Yes, aren't you a
little dream to watch? Renee? Right? Was your character's name.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Renee Williams.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Did you have so much fun doing that show?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It was such an experience, A wonderful experience I did.
It was honestly like one of the most memorable times
of my life for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Was that like a career Like on your I know
you've got like I would call you a slashy because
you're such an incredible creator and podcast. But acting wise,
would you say that was a massive career turning point.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I'd really only done like a feature film, an
Ozzie feature film before this show. And it was a dream,
truly a dream because it was an all female comedy cast.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Like what do you mean? That doesn't come around super often,
especially in Australia. And yeah, like I mean, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
God, I was going through like a heavy breakup at
the time, and it just it was a weird experience,
but it came at the best time ever. And like
I've made honestly, so many of them are my like actual.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Best friends now.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, like me, Claire lovering, Caitlin, Stacey, we're always together here.
Like we just had we had dinner last night. Claire
made the best cookies. I don't know what's on top
of them, but they were really good. And yeah, I'm
just I'm grateful for that experience, not only for the
work aspect of it, but for the people.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it was a really big blessing.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Can I ask a really specific behind the scenes question? Yeah, please,
do I see you've got beautiful tattoos? Did they have
to color that tattoo in.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
On your arm? No?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So they didn't do my like forearm one. However, they
would cover my get naked tattoo. Okay, yeah, I'm like Renee. Honestly,
Renee would have got this tattoo when she was like
having a drunk night and she would have freaked out
the next day for sure, but she still would have
rocked it. Like, so, I think they made a mistake
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covering it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So how does it work?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because a lot like old school, they would cover up
all tattoos, but your one wasn't covered up.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It depends on if it's like your design, it goes
because I don't want to copy right like the tatooes design.
So like this was well, I mean it's what it is.
But I don't like this tattoo, so I don't even
want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Really, Oh how interesting? But yeah, great tattoos. By the way,
can I give you a comment on that?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Also?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Renee as a character, like not to give too much
away to the listener, but you're a nail technician lying
about being a doctor, right and then and then do
you chop off someone's toe at one state?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Hell yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She chops off that toe like there's no tomorrow, and
she really commits. She does a great job about it,
honestly if she really does. Sorry, no one else was
dropping off the toes she's Oh god, love her.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Such a fun like character arc to go through as well.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
She really was the best.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Like although I do like I every day I would
go home exhausted because the anxiety that she would carry
with this lie.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah she was.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's fine, Like she was pretending like I'm a doctor
is great, but like I would go home like, oh fuck,
like I think I have anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, not since playing Renee.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Did you have anything you did like when you get
home after playing Renee, would you like have to have
a cold shower or anything to kind of like let.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Oh god, yeah, Actually, funnily you say that. That was
when I fully got into the having a cold shower
after I have a whole shower, you know how you
like do the cold afterwards. I would do that every night.
I also would just kind of like eat whatever like
I which probably isn't that good, like whatever I wanted
in terms of like comfort food, I guess not saying
(12:53):
it was. I just went with how I felt and
that seemed to help me. But I went to sleep
like but like you know, it was a big shoot,
so you kind of just get used to it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's cool after a while.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, and then prosper Yes, was that fun. That's with
like Australian great Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
My gosh, Rebecca Gibness.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Love. Yeah, she's beautiful, it was. She's beautiful by the way,
like stunts.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
So beautiful, like and so talented and kind like, yeah,
really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So was that Like I feel like that as an
Aussie would be a bit of a pinch yourself moment,
like holy mad.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Totally Like yeah, I mean especially even speaking to like
my mom and like my older sisters, like just shows
that they would watch and things. Yeah, it was really
really cool and just nice to work with. Yeah, Australian
actors who have been in it for so long. And
also I worked alongside my friend Andrea and she's incredible
(13:59):
and she was actually in class of O seven and
so like we had this kind of like such a
lick list what's it called, Yeah, like coming out of
it like moment and like, yeah, we got to support
each other in those kind of different ways. And yeah,
they definitely covered my get naked tattoo for that role.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, that tracks that that one feels like Ellen the
right alignment.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So Pie in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I know I asked you this last week when we
were doing angel card readings.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Pie in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I know this from chit chatting to you that you
love comedy. Yep, But what would be if we could
tomorrow give you your favorite like what where do you see yourself? Like,
what's your favorite kind of role?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh? You no, Like I know, No, it's a hard questiontimes.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
It's like my favorite role or my favorite show is Penn.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Fifteen, which you've told me about. I have not watched it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, Mayan Anna. The creators, I just think they're
incredible and like, ah, I'm just so fucking funny. No,
it's stupid, like you need to watch Pen fifteen, like
them just being like this is our idea, we're going
to do it, and they created it all on their own.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And they're so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
If you don't know it's them, they're like in their
thirties playing themselves as middle school is amazing. Sorry, it's
the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And
it's like the rest of the cast our kids like
our kids, Like, yes, the school kids are children and
they're these adults like it's so great. I think, yeah,
like I want to go down kind.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Of that route.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Would you write your own stuff? Yeah, I am writing
my own stuff. Oh how good for the first.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Time I've I've always I've always had a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Of concepts in mind and I would jop them down
and blah blah blah. And I actually had this conversation
with a writer friend names Anna Barnes in Australia, and
she's very talented and she said to me when she
was like, you're really funny, why don't you why don't
you write?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I go, oh, I just I you know, I
have these concepts.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I just don't really I'm scared to kind of like
put it down and like and she was like, mhmm, yeah,
you just sound like a lazy writer.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh wow. And I was like, that's just stuck with me.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So now I'm writing my friend also from class off
os Evan, my friend Sunny SNAr Shaik, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Am writing a little not a little.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I always go to like say, oh, I'm just writing
a little something. No, we're writing the next major hit
of the world. Love It a mini series that's going
to be really fun to write and play as actors
because we're like.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know what, we're just gonna make our own shit.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If you're not going to book us for a job
right now, we're gonna do our own stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You talk to nearly any actor that's like quote unquote
made it, they all say that, like, make your own stuff, yep.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And even like even I'm I had.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Damon harryman On, who to me is like the quint
essential working actor, right he's like constantly working and he's like, yeah,
I just write when I'm not working, like that is
atually his thing. And I was like, I had no
idea you were even a writer. He's like yeah, He's
like that's and it's so good because it means like
in between gigs and in between jobs and I know
you're busy's everything with auditions and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's so nice to have a projects.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I know, personally for me, if I'm not working
on something, I'll lose momentum totally and as a creative
and then throwing the ADHD, I imagine like it'd be
easy to kind of like get right off path.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh my god, completely it's like coming here though.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I work really well with deadlines and that's my ADHD
because if I don't have I don't really understand time.
So if I don't have, like, I'll do my best
work in the last two hours before it's due. So
I think giving myself two weeks here, and my goal
is like, Okay, I need to like start my new podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I need to record all these episodes.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I have to have these meetings, I need to film
these auditions, I have to do XYZ and like that
is I know I will do it if I come here,
I have to do it, and I will. But if
I was in Australia and I said the same thing, truly,
I don't even know if it would happen, Like it
would take me maybe six months.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You just need something. I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's like you need to trick yourself, like some kind
of trigger to make you feel like you're back in LA.
Whether it's like what if you do in the morning here,
whatever tea you make.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Well, it's just because I know I'm leaving and that's
like yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like, well yeah, and Australian.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I find Australian deadlines are slower than American deadlines. Like
you have an audition and it's you're an audition at
four pm and it's due at ten am the next day,
and weekends don't count in America, an audition on a Sunday.
Right now, It's like, such, how do you go like
learning quick auditions?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Though? Like are you a rope learner? Do you learn
by repetition?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Like I'm pretty good with.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think I learned by memorizing the story or what's
happening in the scene?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And I'm the And I say that because I'm I'm
not one to.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Go a word for word.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I love to throw my own.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
People like people that read to me, They're like, are
you okay that this was exactly? This was nothing like
what the paragraph says. And I'm like, yep, amazy, I yeah,
how unless they say in the notes, oh they want
you to be like, you know, really kind of like
on script.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Word for word whatever whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But yeah, I think just knowing what's happening in the scene,
you kind of can't really go wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's such a good tip because a lot of young
actors listen to this pod. So that's such a good
because I think we sometimes hold on so tight to
the script and get in the way, like with a
perfectionism kind of mindset and you kind of get trained
that at acting school a little bit, like you're in
the Olympics of actors, Like it's got to be perfect.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I think, like to be honest, it depends on who
you're working with, like the writer or director, Like the
writer could hate that I do that and they never
want to hire me again. And that's okay, because I
mean I can do word for word. However, like I don't.
I would rather not, and I think I get a
better performance when.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I feel more like, yeah, it's within you.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That's improv and things like that. But I think it
just depends on the type of actor you are as well,
Like I know some people who are like so I
hate the word anal, but like I don't know why
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's not mean, no, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But like perfectionists like Cross.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They got every yeah I feel you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So then this brings me to a question for content creation,
because I feel like this would suit you perfectly because
usually it's like, Okay, here's a brief. So you've done
stuff I think for like style runner and loreal and
all that. So I imagine you get a brief and they're like, right, oh,
the easy hit points you get to, like they don't
care if.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You go off script because it's your own script. It's you.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, And it's very freeing doing content creation with like
you can really spread your wings and if you say
something that you thought you wouldn't like, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
No one's gonna know, right.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Funny enough, though, when you are working with a client,
they some are very specific and they are like, you
need to send us a brief word for word what
your voiceover will be. And there are times where like
I'm not gonna lie, like I've sent a brief and
I'm like, but I'm not going to say that really,
like because I work best in the moment, I really do,
and I'm I'm not I have an idiot.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I can't plan for.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Shit truly, Like it's I struggle and I'm like, I'll
plan this one day, but then I'll have a better
idea the next day.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You've been so easy to plan and book in as
a podcust can I say?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
But I'm like chill in a way, like I'm ye
like kind of flexible.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't know what its like. Well here i am
back home.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm like, can I say when? Because I know, and
I want to know more about your pod.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But with pod advertising, it is full blown scripted and
you have to hit a specific second like you can't
because they it's like radio ads.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's the same concept.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yea, so like, but what do you mean pod advertising?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So like say you do an ad for like say loreal.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Right, like like an ad on the pod yep, yeah,
like like an at like a vo like they will
send you the scripted yeah, and they'll send me four versions.
You have to do them all word for word, but
you have to do it quick. So sometimes, like Matt,
who you meant earlier, You'll have to pull my breath
out so that I can It's so hard. That's hard,
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but you're reading, so it's not like I must learn.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This word for words like a robot. It's like you
can still give it your own twang.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I guess it's just like doing like a voiceover ad, yeah,
on your pod. Yeah, because I yeah, I haven't done
ads on a pod, and I've noticed I'm always like,
why are people just reading from a script, Like why
aren't they like making it sound natural?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's why?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, So interestingly, so the red tape with pod veo
advertising is very different to like social media, and social
media in Australia is highly regulated, whereas Podland is just
a little is still huge teams and stuff. We're getting
into the weeds of it at all, but it's fascinating.
It's just another best speaking of pods to me, what's
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going on with this pot of yours?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, I've just started it.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When I was here, I had a bunch of different
ideas and I actually scrapped them all when I came here,
which I love, and I will encourage you. If you've
had an idea that you're sitting on and you've done
some work on it, but then it doesn't feel like
it completely aligns with you, scrap it. It's okay, something
new will come Yeah, Like you're meant to go through
that process. And I did that here because I felt
like I was discovering kind of more of the trajectory
(23:30):
that I kind of wanted. So it's crazy because this
will come out like in next week, right, yeah, but
my pod won't be out yet.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But that's all right. I have a new pod.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
It's called Don't Say That Dada, and basically I've been
inspired by being neurodiverse. My social cues are sometimes off,
and like I tend to overshare a lot in real life.
Obviously do it online, but in real life scenarios.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I tend to get. I tend to have people tell
me that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Like maybe it's inappropriate like to say specific things, or
like maybe don't say that your granddad died on your date.
I always go to that one because I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, yeah, we also want one of the first things
he said to me, yes, because the pacemaker kept him alife, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
With my grandpa?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah wait what yeah exactly, So we share stuff and
then a story comes.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Out of it. Yeah, I see no problem in this, And.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Like if it's for anyone who like feels that they
have to like perform a specific way or like social anxiety, and.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm like, let's kind of like talk about talk about
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So basically, me and a guest each episode we do
a little sketch in the beginning of a scenario where
maybe we say what we really want to say and
we kind of talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and you're recording to EPs today, right, cannot waite?
Will you send it to me when it comes out, please?
Because I would love to be fan and watch.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think my this.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Heck yeah, I've just realized it's quite Americana, isn't it?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Heck yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It feels it feels just throwing.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
The I feel like it's a really good phrase to
say when like anything happens, whether it's good or bad.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You could be like heck.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, like it's like, yeah, your car break down.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Heck yeah, heck, you're actually correct. I think this. I
do think this one lands.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Okay, so you mentioned about you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We've kind of touched on about ADHD.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Can I ask how you, like how old you were
when you were diagnosed or learnt about it?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, so not until I was oh gosh, twenty six,
Oh well yeah, six seven maybe yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Quite strange, like when I started to have the conversations,
like with my psychologist, just because it's quite emotional, like
a lot of stuff falls into place, and like comments
that have been made about you, especially like I was,
you know, I was diagnosed with like generalized anxiety when
I was a teenager, not until I was like eighteen
(26:17):
when I could go on my own because.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
My parents didn't do that for me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Think I kind of just wanted it started to I think,
I wouldn't say get worse, but I the more I
like kind of like sat into myself and like accepted
my anxiety, I the more it would come out.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I think that comes with unmasking in general.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I feel like you kind of regress a little bit,
or it feels like you do because you're kind of
like exposing a real part of you. And a lot
of my time management, my focus I was having. I
didn't realize they were like burn out meltdowns from I
thought it was just it was always I have anxiety.
(27:04):
I have anxiety, And then we started to go like
deeper into that, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It was pretty clear that I have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So and you know, the constant comments of being a kid,
especially being a female, it's like she just talks a lot.
Her focus isn't great. She's a great team player and
a good leader, but she just talks a lot and
she needs to get back on track. And I'm like,
but like the boy next to me who's like jumping
up and down and throwing his dragon toys in the air, Yeah,
(27:34):
that's you know, he's gonna get diagnosed right now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Because it's so much easier for boys, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh really so yeah, you felt a bit swept under
the rug younger.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, Like, especially with like autism and ADHD, it can
go very undiagnosed in girls because of our ability to
mask and also just being raised as a girl. You
do that in general, whether you're neurotypical or you're divergent. Yeah,
like we're expected to perform socially very different to boys.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah. Yeah, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And since sharing this all online, have you found people
like it's helped people reached out to you and being like.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, definitely, especially when I share like the struggles of it. Yeah,
it's that's kind of my whole audience. I guess it's
either you're gay, or you're a divergent like queer or
going through something or I think there's a lot of
people trying to figure out what's going on with them.
(28:34):
And I think I would say, I'm not a big
I'm not like I share my in the moment kind
of journey. It's not that I'm trying to educate people
or be like, well, I'm trying to educate through my experience,
but I'm not coming on as a psychologist and like
giving facts and things like that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm like, this is my real experience. Maybe you'll relate
to it. Hopefully it helps you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think one of my favorite things about your platforms
is you create a safe space for anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Having researched you and deep dive for the last kind
of week about everything you share, I'm like, oh, it
feels really safe to just like like soaking up your
content really feels like one I'm learning and understanding, but
also it feels safe for like if you feel those
things within yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, to be like, oh, yeah, like I'm not alone.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I imagine there's probably a lot of feedback you're getting.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Honestly, even myself though, like the fact that I can
make content just based on my own life experience and
people feel comforted by it. I feel comforted by that,
And I'm like, oh shit, like we have each other,
Like we are not alone. We all feel it sometimes,
but we're really really not. And you know, I know,
like social media, we all need to like get off
(29:50):
it sometimes, but for a lot of people it's the
only place where they can kind of feel seen sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Totally, Yeah, I totally yeah, I have to. When you're
on set and you're like acting being on set, it's
kind of high pressure.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, very high pressure. Do you have anything like do
you need to self soothe it all or like ground or.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Is anything that you can do or do you are
you just like no, I'm kind of like la energy
where you're like, I'm in the mode, I'm in work zone.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
It's interesting when it comes to work, it I feel
quite different. I think music for me is a big one.
If I have my headphones with me, I'll be okay. Yeah,
not even just for the music, just for I just
realized you have headphones on half one. Yeah, not even
(30:39):
just for that, just for like no sensory stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I feel quite protected.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
But it's funny, like when you ask me that question,
I I definitely get nervous, but I think I guess
I'm honestly so used to living in that, so when
it's coupled with adrenaline, it kind of balance is out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh that kind of makes it does.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
But I definitely feel.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I think I feel quite at home, like around that
sounds stupid to say, like I just feel at home
around cameras.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I hate that, but like it's kind of kind of
environment and like.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Sound cliche again, but also like I'm not myself and
myself on my phone camera for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, but on set, I don't know what happens truly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I think if I'm feeling overwhelmed, I definitely will go
inward and I need to just take a.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Second to myself for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like, yeah, I I I will say that I'm not
very good at well, now I shouldn't say that I'm
I cope better alone because I'm used to that, Like
I live alone.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Don't come find.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Me if you're don't you have an amazing cat?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I feel I do well, I'm not, Oh my god,
chance right now I would be like, bitch, sorry, I
swear No, you could swear.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. Do you have my beautiful chancy cat?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
She probably she's probably my support animal?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah yeah yeah in La. You know you can take
them everywhere support animals. Oh yeah, like have you not
noticed every have? Yeah to a CVS, which.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is like a complete that's amazing as it should be.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You get a flight here, they've got their or their
cats sitting next to them on the flight.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I would only I think my cat would. Honestly,
I don't even know if she'd survive the flight though.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, Like even when I see it, I'm like, this
doesn't feel real. Yes, doesn't feel real. Okay, I have.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
A couple of things I want to ask, so young
actors do listen to this. And I have always felt
like you can go to acting school and you're kind
of in this really safe, incredibly creative environment where you're
constantly learning a script or you're working on a play,
or you're and then you kind of get out into
the big bad world.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And it's like cricket slag until you're rapped and all
that kind of thing like that until the business side
of it keeps him. What advice do you have for.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
A young creative or And it doesn't need to be
young creator, but like anyone that's kind of like greener
in their journey that like, yeah, that disconnect between training
and working feels quite large, especially in Australia, I find definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty rare to be like, it's very
lucky to be a working actor in Australia. Like, and
I will say luck comes into it. And I want
to stress that to like young actors or anyone who
is honestly any actor who feels that they're not being
booked or in that kind of the stage that they
(33:38):
want at the moment. I would say, like, know yourself,
know your values, know your worth, regardless of being booked,
regardless of someone telling you that you're good, because trust me,
like that's not always talent really, it's like one of
the things that books you a job. There's so many
(34:00):
things that goes into it. There are so many fucking
amazing talented actors who are not working at all. And
I think having a really great team that you align with.
I don't think you should just go for you know,
big agents or people you see that they're repping these
(34:21):
actors clients who are working so much. I think it's
really important to have people on your side who genuinely
care about you. This industry is cold and people don't
really care, and it's very lucky. Like I feel really
lucky to have people behind me right now who like
genuinely care about me, like as a person and are
interested in what I want to do. And I think, like,
(34:42):
try not to lose that, like, try not to just
get caught up in you know, booking a role and
like feeling because like when you do it feels great,
but the minute you stop working, it's hard. Like so
like keeping that going and knowing like it's going to
come again. I can always make my own things. That's
like where like the kind of true love of it
(35:03):
all is make shit with your friends. Just have people
in your corner, I would say, and just know, like, yeah,
a lot of it's luck. Like I think some actors
want to be like, you know, on your craft, like,
which is fine, go and say that, but at the
same time, you need to keep your mental health good
in this industry.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Focus on that.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Focus on enjoying your life because also as an actor,
go have experiences. Don't stop traveling because you think you're
gonna book.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
A job or something like.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Go live your life to the fullest and I feel
like then things will come, Like keep your options around
and like just be the creative that you are.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I also think, and you've touched on that with the traveling,
like not holding on too tight yep, Like I think
sometimes we can hold on so tight, whether it's like
to that audition or that thing, and it's just like
if you hold on too tight, you're not even letting
it breathe.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I think it's so important to have things outside of
just being an actor, Like I think if I didn't
social media honestly, and I'm lucky to have the platform
and be able to like have that as my income
when I'm not on set. But it's also I love
using my voice in that way I connect with people.
I feel like it's not just about me. I think
sometimes we get so caught up in this industry. We're
(36:16):
focused on ourselves and having something outside of yourself that
you can like breathe in and just like remember, oh,
like it puts it. It puts it into perspective a
little bit. So like whether that's a hobby, go ride
a horse, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, a lot of people say, do something with animals,
Like that's because it's yeah, well like unconditional love, like
you're being of service to something else other than you,
like as awesome as acting as it's a very self
focused career and it just takes you like out of
yourself and focuses on something else. Question for you just
(36:54):
because as you've been talking, I'm like, oh, my goodness,
and we need to write a book.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Have you ever thought about writing a book?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I've no, Well, yeah I have, because I've you.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Have to write a book.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I I don't want to cry when you say that
I have.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I don't know like I write. I don't know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I have to though I have started, like.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, one day I had a therapy session and I
started to like write about that session, and then I
actually just turned it into the beginning of like a
book like me, like a memoir vibe. Yeah, well, I
don't want to know. I'm not going to I have
a thing that I'll know because one might still the title,
I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
To say it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Keep that, keeping will say that, we'll say that off
off my fat. Yeah, do it like one hundred percent.
Like the more that you're like talking.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And the way that you share.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Plus all your like social media content, it's definitely a book.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Definitely a book. That's definitely a book.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, how do you do it? Do it?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Now, the first time we met, which was a week ago, today,
I popped over to.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Your place for the best friends Like immediately.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Cup of tea, had a little cup of tea little
lemon ginger situation, and we pulled oracle cards. So I
was thinking today, on your way over here, I pulled
out my deck of the Mermaid, dolphin oracle.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So I was thinking, why don't you pull a card
for yourself. You can, it's gonna be hard to shuffle
with your mic in the other hand.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
No, I'll just shuffle, just chuck them around, chuck them around.
And then I was thinking, maybe pull a card for
the listener. Ooh, I would love to write these are
really nice card.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Now I have the listener in mind, should I go, Yeah,
to the listener first, the listener first, then yeah, yeah,
I think it's on top.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh, how good that was.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Synchronicity get you, guys, are meant.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
To be lessen.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Your prayers and questions are being answered by synchronistic events.
Notice them in order to increase their flow. So whatever
you've learned in this episode, take it with you.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Baby. Oh I love that. Look at you. You're making
me feel emotional now, Oh my good.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Honestly, there's two dolphins and they're over crystals. If that's
not a sign, then I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What it is. And how cool is this deck? This
deck is amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's actually so beautiful. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I hope that resonates with you, guys. Synchronicity, that's a
big sign.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I feel, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And I think just what you've been saying as well
about like where if you're a creative, like having stuff
outside of that creative passion and then kind of like
there's a bit like of letting it unfold as well.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's really you know what.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
A phrase just pop into my mind. Follow you not
the industry a hunt.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Matt and I were saying, we just we've been away
the last week and we both said we don't want
to chase anymore, not that chase energy. He's like, we
just do our thing and it comes to us. And
I think that that's important as a creative to because
if you're chasing, and you talked earlier about masking, I
think when we're chasing something, we kind of change who
we are to chase that.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Thing definitely, versus like this is who I am and
we're not present one hundred percent. No way.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, you're focusing so much on what could be or
what's out there.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's like, what about right now?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You got hit? Yeah, that's a lot. I love it
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
For me to put this card back in and leave
it out, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Put it back in and do a little shuff Yeah, God,
what effic doing a shuffle here?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I'm shuffle shuffle shuffling. So good tip to the listener.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
If you need to do a one handed shuff you
just put them in little piles. I always say left hand.
Oh my god, I know what the top card is?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I fucking do well. I saw it and I was like,
why am I scared?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I know that you're going to die? Is it?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
No? Guys, you got soul mates? Is that the soul
ma soulmate relationship? Get out new romance with the spiritual
basis is here for you?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Why is this like the day before you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Leave Los Angeles? What? I don't want to leave it?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You can tell. I've done lots of spells.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, it's sad. Elastic is peeling off?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
What should be doing with this card? Interesting? Great? Also
what's the bottom card? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Positive energy?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Great?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Surround yourself with positive energy in situations and avoiding activity. Well,
that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Maybe you're going to extend your trip?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well? Yeah, I actually met this this barrista who's I
keep taking my podcast guests to the same place now,
And I met her the other day and I felt
like I kind of thought we had this vibe.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, and then I've been thinking about her.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But turns out she has a ring on her wedding finger,
just that ring, which feels like, come on, she's probably married,
but who knows.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's la you don't know. It's lucky, it's true.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
And people were like, well, people on TikTok are like, well,
what if that's the only ring they let her wear?
And it's just like a ring that she likes. It
looked like pretty antique ring.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Could be her grandma's. I swear my grandma's.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Ring the big time on your wedding finger.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'd wear it on the other hand, but sometimes.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
I put a ring on my wedding finger, like I
don't really care. But I don't know anyway. I don't
know if they're my soulmate. But it was nice to flirt. Oh,
this feels aligned, but I don't know why, and I'm scared.
I wouldn't mind if my soulmate was here. That would
be fine.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, I could see you spending way more time here.
Me too. I feel like this is a good omen. Yeah.
Oh my goodness, I'm so invested now, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Like, thanks, I need it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'll be watching along from from If you're on the
other side, I'll be watching a long I'll be cheering
you on, my friend. I can't wait to see what
is next for you. Thank you for sharing so honestly
and vulnerably, which I.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Knew you would.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Thanks, Lola Berry.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Let's hang again.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I loved coming on. I feel really I'm really happy.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Thanks. He nailed it, my friend.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Woo woo.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word
for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love
it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and of
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course spread the love.
Get a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer.
This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe
it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face
our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest
about their highs as well as their lows, all in
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a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Welcome to
the podcast. Today we have Emma Horn, actor, podcaster, content creator,
ginormous TikTok following and insta following. Also all round legend.
This chat should to you. I feel like, well, this
(00:49):
is how it felt to me two butto's having a
Kappa pulling oracle cards, and Emma was kind enough to
pull an oracle card for you, the listener.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I hope you love this chart.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It is for anybody, any creative, anyone that just wants
to live to the beat of their own drum. I
feel like that is Emma in a nutshell. So I
hope you love this chart. Emma, You're flipping wonderful. Emma Horn,
Welcome to the pod, my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Tech you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Mate, You're an amazing actor. I can say podcaster, can't
I podcaster? Also incredible creator. I have literally inhaled your TikTok.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I went back as far as I could go.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Do you know what though, I this year I deleted
so many while I like private at them like I'm
not getting like three hundred because it went back too far.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I got back as far as the confessions of the breakup,
of the relationship breakup.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I hear them, Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's as quite confession.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And I left.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know what, I would have left a few because
like you want to leave a few, you want to
leave some.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You definitely left some little sprinkles in there for sure.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
How good I just deleted? You know, I had tiktoks
with my eggs and stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So the thing that I love most about the content
you share is it's just very like non filtered, raw vulnerable.
You're also really open about mental health ADHD, being neurodivergent.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yep, like, mate, there's not too much that I don't share.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I will say, can I ask.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A little bit about you sharing like anxiety attacks and
kind of like self soothing, Yes, please do no.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But like so.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Initially to watch that, I'm like, oh, this is kind
of confronting to watch because obviously a lot of people
have felt those feelings.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But seeing you in the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Like calm and kind of like process in real time
is kind of empowering too, to know that you can.
It's kind of like okay to feel messy, for lack
of a better word. Yeah, is that kind of the
reasoning behind sharing this? Is it like I want to
like take the mask off and just let people see
that it's totally okay to have a shit day.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Are you Are you thinking about my bathroom my bathroom floor?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah? Videos?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people really like them, you know. I think, you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Know, it's so easy to like, you know, create like
a montage video or like share kind of the aftermath
of like going through kind of a meltdown or anxiety
attack or however, you know, overwhelm, which I get a
lot and I think I'm so people always A lot
of people, actually a lot of men, have an issue
around sharing in the moment mental health stuff. They're like,
(03:47):
what do you mean she just sits off a phone,
And I'm like, yeah, I literally do that every second
of my life. It's so natural for me to sit
my phone there. It doesn't like I'm not being like
let's put my phone here and now I'll cry. I'm like,
I'm already whole my phone. We're all on our phones
like constantly, and I think, yeah, I just want to
share like the realities of it. And instead of kind
(04:09):
of being like, look what we can achieve after we
can do it, here's all the tips and tricks, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Like, but this is the reality.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like it's okay, you might see some highlights of my
life or anything like that, but this is usually a.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Lot of the time. But I find that so empowering.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
As somebody that can get really overwhelmed, I'm like, oh this,
I imagine so many people look at your content and
they're like, oh I feel seen. And I love the
way you talk about periods and all of that as well. Yeah,
but like no, truly, like yeah, just kind of like
humanize things that for so many years and I'm like
a solid ten years older than you, we're kind of taboo, yeah, right,
(04:50):
Like we weren't really like allowed to celebrate our period,
you know, like younger, So like, yeah, I feel like
you're just like, if this this is who I.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Am, I'm like, why are we not sharing it?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Though?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, it's insane to me, like I everyone wanted. I
did a period video around how heavy my.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Flow I don't even know what to call it, Americans.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How heavy my flow is?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And because I asked my sisters one day, I was like, guys,
we you know, a bunch of us. I have four
sisters and we're like, oh, we also we have heavy periods.
But then I sent them a video of my period
in the shower because I was like, why the fuck
have we not seen.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Each other's period? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And they were like, oh, so that's what you mean
when you say heavy, because that's not mine, like yours
is heavy, heavy, And I'm like, fuck, how many people
out there are being told like, oh, yeah, that's just
a heavy period.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm like, maybe we're like literally bleeding out.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I shit that online and people.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Will like, please show us, but I can't because blood
will be censored immediately, which kind of weird because it's
period blood.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But I get it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So yeah, if you want to know, it's heavy and
it's full of cloths.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Do you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm a nutritionist and we were trained to measure clots
like you have to learn. You do a whole semester
on periods to another whole semester on the Pooh.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Literally, yeah, I'll go my peoo, wouldn't be good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, you're traveling, right, like you're in another country.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You're traveling.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's okay, it's normal.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's so true. I feel like it's been better here.
Maybe that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I feel like LA suits you. How do you
feel being here?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I love it, I really really do.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I think I am hesitant to say that I
love it because you know, Australia is such a beautiful country.
It feels safe. But coming here I always feel like creatively,
so inspired and just I get shit done. Yeah, and
like I feel so much more like myself. Also, like
(06:51):
funnily you had Claire Lovering on the podcast. Yes, we
have done LA a couple of times, like around the
same time, and we always say like, when we're in LA,
you just know what to wear, Like it just comes
so easily, like we're just like I just know myself.
I just know what to wear. And that's just how
I describe it every more like I'm not. It just
comes easy. So yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's a good sign. I think that's a good barometer
for you.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I've also deep dived your videos where you like,
don't mind the feeling of fat, And now.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm thinking about the color shirt. The color of my
shirt right now, I knew it is touching my neck,
which is fine, it's okay today, but sometimes it's just not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, but it's interesting that here you don't feel like
that way, you know what I mean? That's kind of true, right,
Maybe one thing I do feel about America is you're
totally free to be used as far as like you
can walk down the street, like I just bought my
first cowboy hat. We went away and I was wearing
the cowboy hat everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
In Australia, I'm like, I could probably only wear that
in Byron Bay, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I think like especially in a really like the tall
poppy syndrome is really really prominent, and I think people
are quite scared to like be themselves or maybe don't
even really know what themselves are, if that makes sense.
And here it's I don't know, it feels more celebrated
to kind of just like step out, even though weirdly
(08:19):
it's more like.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Competitive as well.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
But I think there's more opportunities though, so like people
are like, yeah, we get it, like go off, queen, queen,
Queen King. They them go do the thing like yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I feel you. I'm I think I'm on the same
page with that. But at the same time, there's something
so beautiful about going home as well and going yeah
in Australia.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I no, there's not, no, there is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You were trying to change a flight where you were like.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I was trying to change it and New Zealand. Can
we please do a brand colub right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Now, I'll just put my hat in the ring there
as well. Faces So okay, I have to say. So
you mentioned lovering, she jumped on the pod, and so
as soon as she said yees, she jumped on the pod.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I started watching Class Fox seven. Yes, aren't you a
little dream to watch? Renee? Right? Was your character's name.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Renee Williams.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Did you have so much fun doing that show?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It was such an experience, A wonderful experience I did.
It was honestly like one of the most memorable times
of my life for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Was that like a career Like on your I know
you've got like I would call you a slashy because
you're such an incredible creator and podcast. But acting wise,
would you say that was a massive career turning point.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I'd really only done like a feature film, an
Ozzie feature film before this show. And it was a dream,
truly a dream because it was an all female comedy cast.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Like what do you mean? That doesn't come around super often,
especially in Australia. And yeah, like I mean, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
God, I was going through like a heavy breakup at
the time, and it just it was a weird experience,
but it came at the best time ever. And like
I've made honestly, so many of them are my like actual.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Best friends now.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, like me, Claire lovering, Caitlin, Stacey, we're always together here.
Like we just had we had dinner last night. Claire
made the best cookies. I don't know what's on top
of them, but they were really good. And yeah, I'm
just I'm grateful for that experience, not only for the
work aspect of it, but for the people.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it was a really big blessing.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Can I ask a really specific behind the scenes question? Yeah, please,
do I see you've got beautiful tattoos? Did they have
to color that tattoo in.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
On your arm? No?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So they didn't do my like forearm one. However, they
would cover my get naked tattoo. Okay, yeah, I'm like Renee. Honestly,
Renee would have got this tattoo when she was like
having a drunk night and she would have freaked out
the next day for sure, but she still would have
rocked it. Like, so, I think they made a mistake
(11:01):
covering it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So how does it work?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because a lot like old school, they would cover up
all tattoos, but your one wasn't covered up.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It depends on if it's like your design, it goes
because I don't want to copy right like the tatooes design.
So like this was well, I mean it's what it is.
But I don't like this tattoo, so I don't even
want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Really, Oh how interesting? But yeah, great tattoos. By the way,
can I give you a comment on that?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Also?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Renee as a character, like not to give too much
away to the listener, but you're a nail technician lying
about being a doctor, right and then and then do
you chop off someone's toe at one state?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Hell yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She chops off that toe like there's no tomorrow, and
she really commits. She does a great job about it,
honestly if she really does. Sorry, no one else was
dropping off the toes she's Oh god, love her.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Such a fun like character arc to go through as well.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
She really was the best.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Like although I do like I every day I would
go home exhausted because the anxiety that she would carry
with this lie.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah she was.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's fine, Like she was pretending like I'm a doctor
is great, but like I would go home like, oh fuck,
like I think I have anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, not since playing Renee.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Did you have anything you did like when you get
home after playing Renee, would you like have to have
a cold shower or anything to kind of like let.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Oh god, yeah, Actually, funnily you say that. That was
when I fully got into the having a cold shower
after I have a whole shower, you know how you
like do the cold afterwards. I would do that every night.
I also would just kind of like eat whatever like
I which probably isn't that good, like whatever I wanted
in terms of like comfort food, I guess not saying
(12:53):
it was. I just went with how I felt and
that seemed to help me. But I went to sleep
like but like you know, it was a big shoot,
so you kind of just get used to it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's cool after a while.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, and then prosper Yes, was that fun. That's with
like Australian great Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
My gosh, Rebecca Gibness.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Love. Yeah, she's beautiful, it was. She's beautiful by the way,
like stunts.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
So beautiful, like and so talented and kind like, yeah,
really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So was that Like I feel like that as an
Aussie would be a bit of a pinch yourself moment,
like holy mad.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Totally Like yeah, I mean especially even speaking to like
my mom and like my older sisters, like just shows
that they would watch and things. Yeah, it was really
really cool and just nice to work with. Yeah, Australian
actors who have been in it for so long. And
also I worked alongside my friend Andrea and she's incredible
(13:59):
and she was actually in class of O seven and
so like we had this kind of like such a
lick list what's it called, Yeah, like coming out of
it like moment and like, yeah, we got to support
each other in those kind of different ways. And yeah,
they definitely covered my get naked tattoo for that role.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, that tracks that that one feels like Ellen the
right alignment.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So Pie in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I know I asked you this last week when we
were doing angel card readings.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Pie in the Sky.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I know this from chit chatting to you that you
love comedy. Yep, But what would be if we could
tomorrow give you your favorite like what where do you see yourself? Like,
what's your favorite kind of role?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh? You no, Like I know, No, it's a hard questiontimes.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
It's like my favorite role or my favorite show is Penn.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Fifteen, which you've told me about. I have not watched it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, Mayan Anna. The creators, I just think they're
incredible and like, ah, I'm just so fucking funny. No,
it's stupid, like you need to watch Pen fifteen, like
them just being like this is our idea, we're going
to do it, and they created it all on their own.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And they're so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
If you don't know it's them, they're like in their
thirties playing themselves as middle school is amazing. Sorry, it's
the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And
it's like the rest of the cast our kids like
our kids, Like, yes, the school kids are children and
they're these adults like it's so great. I think, yeah,
like I want to go down kind.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Of that route.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Would you write your own stuff? Yeah, I am writing
my own stuff. Oh how good for the first.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Time I've I've always I've always had a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Of concepts in mind and I would jop them down
and blah blah blah. And I actually had this conversation
with a writer friend names Anna Barnes in Australia, and
she's very talented and she said to me when she
was like, you're really funny, why don't you why don't
you write?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I go, oh, I just I you know, I
have these concepts.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I just don't really I'm scared to kind of like
put it down and like and she was like, mhmm, yeah,
you just sound like a lazy writer.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh wow. And I was like, that's just stuck with me.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So now I'm writing my friend also from class off
os Evan, my friend Sunny SNAr Shaik, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Am writing a little not a little.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I always go to like say, oh, I'm just writing
a little something. No, we're writing the next major hit
of the world. Love It a mini series that's going
to be really fun to write and play as actors
because we're like.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know what, we're just gonna make our own shit.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If you're not going to book us for a job
right now, we're gonna do our own stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You talk to nearly any actor that's like quote unquote
made it, they all say that, like, make your own stuff, yep.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And even like even I'm I had.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Damon harryman On, who to me is like the quint
essential working actor, right he's like constantly working and he's like, yeah,
I just write when I'm not working, like that is
atually his thing. And I was like, I had no
idea you were even a writer. He's like yeah, He's
like that's and it's so good because it means like
in between gigs and in between jobs and I know
you're busy's everything with auditions and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's so nice to have a projects.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I know, personally for me, if I'm not working
on something, I'll lose momentum totally and as a creative
and then throwing the ADHD, I imagine like it'd be
easy to kind of like get right off path.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh my god, completely it's like coming here though.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I work really well with deadlines and that's my ADHD
because if I don't have I don't really understand time.
So if I don't have, like, I'll do my best
work in the last two hours before it's due. So
I think giving myself two weeks here, and my goal
is like, Okay, I need to like start my new podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I need to record all these episodes.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I have to have these meetings, I need to film
these auditions, I have to do XYZ and like that
is I know I will do it if I come here,
I have to do it, and I will. But if
I was in Australia and I said the same thing, truly,
I don't even know if it would happen, Like it
would take me maybe six months.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You just need something. I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's like you need to trick yourself, like some kind
of trigger to make you feel like you're back in LA.
Whether it's like what if you do in the morning here,
whatever tea you make.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Well, it's just because I know I'm leaving and that's
like yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like, well yeah, and Australian.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I find Australian deadlines are slower than American deadlines. Like
you have an audition and it's you're an audition at
four pm and it's due at ten am the next day,
and weekends don't count in America, an audition on a Sunday.
Right now, It's like, such, how do you go like
learning quick auditions?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Though? Like are you a rope learner? Do you learn
by repetition?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Like I'm pretty good with.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think I learned by memorizing the story or what's
happening in the scene?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And I'm the And I say that because I'm I'm
not one to.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Go a word for word.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I love to throw my own.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
People like people that read to me, They're like, are
you okay that this was exactly? This was nothing like
what the paragraph says. And I'm like, yep, amazy, I yeah,
how unless they say in the notes, oh they want
you to be like, you know, really kind of like
on script.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Word for word whatever whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But yeah, I think just knowing what's happening in the scene,
you kind of can't really go wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's such a good tip because a lot of young
actors listen to this pod. So that's such a good
because I think we sometimes hold on so tight to
the script and get in the way, like with a
perfectionism kind of mindset and you kind of get trained
that at acting school a little bit, like you're in
the Olympics of actors, Like it's got to be perfect.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I think, like to be honest, it depends on who
you're working with, like the writer or director, Like the
writer could hate that I do that and they never
want to hire me again. And that's okay, because I
mean I can do word for word. However, like I don't.
I would rather not, and I think I get a
better performance when.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I feel more like, yeah, it's within you.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That's improv and things like that. But I think it
just depends on the type of actor you are as well,
Like I know some people who are like so I
hate the word anal, but like I don't know why
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's not mean, no, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But like perfectionists like Cross.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They got every yeah I feel you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So then this brings me to a question for content creation,
because I feel like this would suit you perfectly because
usually it's like, Okay, here's a brief. So you've done
stuff I think for like style runner and loreal and
all that. So I imagine you get a brief and they're like, right, oh,
the easy hit points you get to, like they don't
care if.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You go off script because it's your own script. It's you.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, And it's very freeing doing content creation with like
you can really spread your wings and if you say
something that you thought you wouldn't like, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
No one's gonna know, right.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Funny enough, though, when you are working with a client,
they some are very specific and they are like, you
need to send us a brief word for word what
your voiceover will be. And there are times where like
I'm not gonna lie, like I've sent a brief and
I'm like, but I'm not going to say that really,
like because I work best in the moment, I really do,
and I'm I'm not I have an idiot.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I can't plan for.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Shit truly, Like it's I struggle and I'm like, I'll
plan this one day, but then I'll have a better
idea the next day.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You've been so easy to plan and book in as
a podcust can I say?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
But I'm like chill in a way, like I'm ye
like kind of flexible.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't know what its like. Well here i am
back home.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm like, can I say when? Because I know, and
I want to know more about your pod.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But with pod advertising, it is full blown scripted and
you have to hit a specific second like you can't
because they it's like radio ads.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's the same concept.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yea, so like, but what do you mean pod advertising?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So like say you do an ad for like say loreal.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Right, like like an ad on the pod yep, yeah,
like like an at like a vo like they will
send you the scripted yeah, and they'll send me four versions.
You have to do them all word for word, but
you have to do it quick. So sometimes, like Matt,
who you meant earlier, You'll have to pull my breath
out so that I can It's so hard. That's hard,
(22:20):
but you're reading, so it's not like I must learn.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This word for words like a robot. It's like you
can still give it your own twang.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I guess it's just like doing like a voiceover ad, yeah,
on your pod. Yeah, because I yeah, I haven't done
ads on a pod, and I've noticed I'm always like,
why are people just reading from a script, Like why
aren't they like making it sound natural?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's why?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, So interestingly, so the red tape with pod veo
advertising is very different to like social media, and social
media in Australia is highly regulated, whereas Podland is just
a little is still huge teams and stuff. We're getting
into the weeds of it at all, but it's fascinating.
It's just another best speaking of pods to me, what's
(23:05):
going on with this pot of yours?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, I've just started it.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When I was here, I had a bunch of different
ideas and I actually scrapped them all when I came here,
which I love, and I will encourage you. If you've
had an idea that you're sitting on and you've done
some work on it, but then it doesn't feel like
it completely aligns with you, scrap it. It's okay, something
new will come Yeah, Like you're meant to go through
that process. And I did that here because I felt
like I was discovering kind of more of the trajectory
(23:30):
that I kind of wanted. So it's crazy because this
will come out like in next week, right, yeah, but
my pod won't be out yet.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But that's all right. I have a new pod.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
It's called Don't Say That Dada, and basically I've been
inspired by being neurodiverse. My social cues are sometimes off,
and like I tend to overshare a lot in real life.
Obviously do it online, but in real life scenarios.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I tend to get. I tend to have people tell
me that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Like maybe it's inappropriate like to say specific things, or
like maybe don't say that your granddad died on your date.
I always go to that one because I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, yeah, we also want one of the first things
he said to me, yes, because the pacemaker kept him alife, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
With my grandpa?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah wait what yeah exactly, So we share stuff and
then a story comes.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Out of it. Yeah, I see no problem in this, And.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Like if it's for anyone who like feels that they
have to like perform a specific way or like social anxiety, and.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm like, let's kind of like talk about talk about
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So basically, me and a guest each episode we do
a little sketch in the beginning of a scenario where
maybe we say what we really want to say and
we kind of talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and you're recording to EPs today, right, cannot waite?
Will you send it to me when it comes out, please?
Because I would love to be fan and watch.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think my this.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Heck yeah, I've just realized it's quite Americana, isn't it?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Heck yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It feels it feels just throwing.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
The I feel like it's a really good phrase to
say when like anything happens, whether it's good or bad.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You could be like heck.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, like it's like, yeah, your car break down.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Heck yeah, heck, you're actually correct. I think this. I
do think this one lands.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Okay, so you mentioned about you.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We've kind of touched on about ADHD.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Can I ask how you, like how old you were
when you were diagnosed or learnt about it?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, so not until I was oh gosh, twenty six,
Oh well yeah, six seven maybe yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Quite strange, like when I started to have the conversations,
like with my psychologist, just because it's quite emotional, like
a lot of stuff falls into place, and like comments
that have been made about you, especially like I was,
you know, I was diagnosed with like generalized anxiety when
I was a teenager, not until I was like eighteen
(26:17):
when I could go on my own because.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
My parents didn't do that for me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Think I kind of just wanted it started to I think,
I wouldn't say get worse, but I the more I
like kind of like sat into myself and like accepted
my anxiety, I the more it would come out.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I think that comes with unmasking in general.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I feel like you kind of regress a little bit,
or it feels like you do because you're kind of
like exposing a real part of you. And a lot
of my time management, my focus I was having. I
didn't realize they were like burn out meltdowns from I
thought it was just it was always I have anxiety.
(27:04):
I have anxiety, And then we started to go like
deeper into that, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It was pretty clear that I have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So and you know, the constant comments of being a kid,
especially being a female, it's like she just talks a lot.
Her focus isn't great. She's a great team player and
a good leader, but she just talks a lot and
she needs to get back on track. And I'm like,
but like the boy next to me who's like jumping
up and down and throwing his dragon toys in the air, Yeah,
(27:34):
that's you know, he's gonna get diagnosed right now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Because it's so much easier for boys, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh really so yeah, you felt a bit swept under
the rug younger.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, Like, especially with like autism and ADHD, it can
go very undiagnosed in girls because of our ability to
mask and also just being raised as a girl. You
do that in general, whether you're neurotypical or you're divergent. Yeah,
like we're expected to perform socially very different to boys.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah. Yeah, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And since sharing this all online, have you found people
like it's helped people reached out to you and being like.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, definitely, especially when I share like the struggles of it. Yeah,
it's that's kind of my whole audience. I guess it's
either you're gay, or you're a divergent like queer or
going through something or I think there's a lot of
people trying to figure out what's going on with them.
(28:34):
And I think I would say, I'm not a big
I'm not like I share my in the moment kind
of journey. It's not that I'm trying to educate people
or be like, well, I'm trying to educate through my experience,
but I'm not coming on as a psychologist and like
giving facts and things like that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm like, this is my real experience. Maybe you'll relate
to it. Hopefully it helps you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think one of my favorite things about your platforms
is you create a safe space for anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Having researched you and deep dive for the last kind
of week about everything you share, I'm like, oh, it
feels really safe to just like like soaking up your
content really feels like one I'm learning and understanding, but
also it feels safe for like if you feel those
things within yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, to be like, oh, yeah, like I'm not alone.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I imagine there's probably a lot of feedback you're getting.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Honestly, even myself though, like the fact that I can
make content just based on my own life experience and
people feel comforted by it. I feel comforted by that,
And I'm like, oh shit, like we have each other,
Like we are not alone. We all feel it sometimes,
but we're really really not. And you know, I know,
like social media, we all need to like get off
(29:50):
it sometimes, but for a lot of people it's the
only place where they can kind of feel seen sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Totally, Yeah, I totally yeah, I have to. When you're
on set and you're like acting being on set, it's
kind of high pressure.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, very high pressure. Do you have anything like do
you need to self soothe it all or like ground or.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Is anything that you can do or do you are
you just like no, I'm kind of like la energy
where you're like, I'm in the mode, I'm in work zone.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
It's interesting when it comes to work, it I feel
quite different. I think music for me is a big one.
If I have my headphones with me, I'll be okay. Yeah,
not even just for the music, just for I just
realized you have headphones on half one. Yeah, not even
(30:39):
just for that, just for like no sensory stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I feel quite protected.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
But it's funny, like when you ask me that question,
I I definitely get nervous, but I think I guess
I'm honestly so used to living in that, so when
it's coupled with adrenaline, it kind of balance is out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh that kind of makes it does.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
But I definitely feel.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I think I feel quite at home, like around that
sounds stupid to say, like I just feel at home
around cameras.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I hate that, but like it's kind of kind of
environment and like.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Sound cliche again, but also like I'm not myself and
myself on my phone camera for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, but on set, I don't know what happens truly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I think if I'm feeling overwhelmed, I definitely will go
inward and I need to just take a.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Second to myself for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like, yeah, I I I will say that I'm not
very good at well, now I shouldn't say that I'm
I cope better alone because I'm used to that, Like
I live alone.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Don't come find.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Me if you're don't you have an amazing cat?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I feel I do well, I'm not, Oh my god,
chance right now I would be like, bitch, sorry, I
swear No, you could swear.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. Do you have my beautiful chancy cat?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
She probably she's probably my support animal?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah yeah yeah in La. You know you can take
them everywhere support animals. Oh yeah, like have you not
noticed every have? Yeah to a CVS, which.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is like a complete that's amazing as it should be.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You get a flight here, they've got their or their
cats sitting next to them on the flight.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I would only I think my cat would. Honestly,
I don't even know if she'd survive the flight though.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, Like even when I see it, I'm like, this
doesn't feel real. Yes, doesn't feel real. Okay, I have.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
A couple of things I want to ask, so young
actors do listen to this. And I have always felt
like you can go to acting school and you're kind
of in this really safe, incredibly creative environment where you're
constantly learning a script or you're working on a play,
or you're and then you kind of get out into
the big bad world.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And it's like cricket slag until you're rapped and all
that kind of thing like that until the business side
of it keeps him. What advice do you have for.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
A young creative or And it doesn't need to be
young creator, but like anyone that's kind of like greener
in their journey that like, yeah, that disconnect between training
and working feels quite large, especially in Australia, I find definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty rare to be like, it's very
lucky to be a working actor in Australia. Like, and
I will say luck comes into it. And I want
to stress that to like young actors or anyone who
is honestly any actor who feels that they're not being
booked or in that kind of the stage that they
(33:38):
want at the moment. I would say, like, know yourself,
know your values, know your worth, regardless of being booked,
regardless of someone telling you that you're good, because trust me,
like that's not always talent really, it's like one of
the things that books you a job. There's so many
(34:00):
things that goes into it. There are so many fucking
amazing talented actors who are not working at all. And
I think having a really great team that you align with.
I don't think you should just go for you know,
big agents or people you see that they're repping these
(34:21):
actors clients who are working so much. I think it's
really important to have people on your side who genuinely
care about you. This industry is cold and people don't
really care, and it's very lucky. Like I feel really
lucky to have people behind me right now who like
genuinely care about me, like as a person and are
interested in what I want to do. And I think, like,
(34:42):
try not to lose that, like, try not to just
get caught up in you know, booking a role and
like feeling because like when you do it feels great,
but the minute you stop working, it's hard. Like so
like keeping that going and knowing like it's going to
come again. I can always make my own things. That's
like where like the kind of true love of it
(35:03):
all is make shit with your friends. Just have people
in your corner, I would say, and just know, like, yeah,
a lot of it's luck. Like I think some actors
want to be like, you know, on your craft, like,
which is fine, go and say that, but at the
same time, you need to keep your mental health good
in this industry.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Focus on that.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Focus on enjoying your life because also as an actor,
go have experiences. Don't stop traveling because you think you're
gonna book.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
A job or something like.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Go live your life to the fullest and I feel
like then things will come, Like keep your options around
and like just be the creative that you are.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I also think, and you've touched on that with the traveling,
like not holding on too tight yep, Like I think
sometimes we can hold on so tight, whether it's like
to that audition or that thing, and it's just like
if you hold on too tight, you're not even letting
it breathe.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I think it's so important to have things outside of
just being an actor, Like I think if I didn't
social media honestly, and I'm lucky to have the platform
and be able to like have that as my income
when I'm not on set. But it's also I love
using my voice in that way I connect with people.
I feel like it's not just about me. I think
sometimes we get so caught up in this industry. We're
(36:16):
focused on ourselves and having something outside of yourself that
you can like breathe in and just like remember, oh,
like it puts it. It puts it into perspective a
little bit. So like whether that's a hobby, go ride
a horse, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, a lot of people say, do something with animals,
Like that's because it's yeah, well like unconditional love, like
you're being of service to something else other than you,
like as awesome as acting as it's a very self
focused career and it just takes you like out of
yourself and focuses on something else. Question for you just
(36:54):
because as you've been talking, I'm like, oh, my goodness,
and we need to write a book.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Have you ever thought about writing a book?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I've no, Well, yeah I have, because I've you.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Have to write a book.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I I don't want to cry when you say that
I have.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I don't know like I write. I don't know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I have to though I have started, like.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, one day I had a therapy session and I
started to like write about that session, and then I
actually just turned it into the beginning of like a
book like me, like a memoir vibe. Yeah, well, I
don't want to know. I'm not going to I have
a thing that I'll know because one might still the title,
I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
To say it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Keep that, keeping will say that, we'll say that off
off my fat. Yeah, do it like one hundred percent.
Like the more that you're like talking.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And the way that you share.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Plus all your like social media content, it's definitely a book.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Definitely a book. That's definitely a book.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, how do you do it? Do it?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Now, the first time we met, which was a week ago, today,
I popped over to.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Your place for the best friends Like immediately.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Cup of tea, had a little cup of tea little
lemon ginger situation, and we pulled oracle cards. So I
was thinking today, on your way over here, I pulled
out my deck of the Mermaid, dolphin oracle.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So I was thinking, why don't you pull a card
for yourself. You can, it's gonna be hard to shuffle
with your mic in the other hand.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
No, I'll just shuffle, just chuck them around, chuck them around.
And then I was thinking, maybe pull a card for
the listener. Ooh, I would love to write these are
really nice card.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Now I have the listener in mind, should I go, Yeah,
to the listener first, the listener first, then yeah, yeah,
I think it's on top.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh, how good that was.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Synchronicity get you, guys, are meant.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
To be lessen.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Your prayers and questions are being answered by synchronistic events.
Notice them in order to increase their flow. So whatever
you've learned in this episode, take it with you.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Baby. Oh I love that. Look at you. You're making
me feel emotional now, Oh my good.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Honestly, there's two dolphins and they're over crystals. If that's
not a sign, then I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What it is. And how cool is this deck? This
deck is amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's actually so beautiful. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I hope that resonates with you, guys. Synchronicity, that's a
big sign.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I feel, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And I think just what you've been saying as well
about like where if you're a creative, like having stuff
outside of that creative passion and then kind of like
there's a bit like of letting it unfold as well.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's really you know what.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
A phrase just pop into my mind. Follow you not
the industry a hunt.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Matt and I were saying, we just we've been away
the last week and we both said we don't want
to chase anymore, not that chase energy. He's like, we
just do our thing and it comes to us. And
I think that that's important as a creative to because
if you're chasing, and you talked earlier about masking, I
think when we're chasing something, we kind of change who
we are to chase that.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Thing definitely, versus like this is who I am and
we're not present one hundred percent. No way.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, you're focusing so much on what could be or
what's out there.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's like, what about right now?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You got hit? Yeah, that's a lot. I love it
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
For me to put this card back in and leave
it out, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Put it back in and do a little shuff Yeah, God,
what effic doing a shuffle here?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I'm shuffle shuffle shuffling. So good tip to the listener.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
If you need to do a one handed shuff you
just put them in little piles. I always say left hand.
Oh my god, I know what the top card is?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I fucking do well. I saw it and I was like,
why am I scared?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I know that you're going to die? Is it?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
No? Guys, you got soul mates? Is that the soul
ma soulmate relationship? Get out new romance with the spiritual
basis is here for you?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Why is this like the day before you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Leave Los Angeles? What? I don't want to leave it?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You can tell. I've done lots of spells.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, it's sad. Elastic is peeling off?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
What should be doing with this card? Interesting? Great? Also
what's the bottom card? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Positive energy?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Great?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Surround yourself with positive energy in situations and avoiding activity. Well,
that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Maybe you're going to extend your trip?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well? Yeah, I actually met this this barrista who's I
keep taking my podcast guests to the same place now,
And I met her the other day and I felt
like I kind of thought we had this vibe.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, and then I've been thinking about her.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But turns out she has a ring on her wedding finger,
just that ring, which feels like, come on, she's probably married,
but who knows.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's la you don't know. It's lucky, it's true.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
And people were like, well, people on TikTok are like, well,
what if that's the only ring they let her wear?
And it's just like a ring that she likes. It
looked like pretty antique ring.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Could be her grandma's. I swear my grandma's.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Ring the big time on your wedding finger.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'd wear it on the other hand, but sometimes.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
I put a ring on my wedding finger, like I
don't really care. But I don't know anyway. I don't
know if they're my soulmate. But it was nice to flirt. Oh,
this feels aligned, but I don't know why, and I'm scared.
I wouldn't mind if my soulmate was here. That would
be fine.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, I could see you spending way more time here.
Me too. I feel like this is a good omen. Yeah.
Oh my goodness, I'm so invested now, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Like, thanks, I need it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'll be watching along from from If you're on the
other side, I'll be watching a long I'll be cheering
you on, my friend. I can't wait to see what
is next for you. Thank you for sharing so honestly
and vulnerably, which I.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Knew you would.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Thanks, Lola Berry.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Let's hang again.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I loved coming on. I feel really I'm really happy.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Thanks. He nailed it, my friend.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Woo woo.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word
for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love
it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and of
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course spread the love.
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