November 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Fearlessly Failing: A Year in Review with Matt AKA Bosso
Join us as we celebrates six years and nearly 800 episodes of Fearlessly Failing, with a special year-in-review featuring my boyfriend Matt (affectionately known as "Bosso"). This behind-the-scenes look at one of Australia's most consistent podcasts reveals the journey from audio-only beginnings to their current video and audio format, all while navigating life and recording from Los Angeles.
From natural disasters to star-studded interviews, Lola and Matt reflect on a year filled with travel specials, conversations with creative powerhouses, and the evolution of their podcast philosophy. The episode offers a candid glimpse into their production process, with Matt (a composer who handles all the editing) sharing insights on sound quality and production value that have helped set their show apart.
Timestamps & Key Takeaways:
3:15 - Matt reveals his dream composing job would be dramatic feature films or TV shows
7:30 - The podcast's evolution from interviewing successful Australians to documenting real-life experiences
9:45 - Discussion of high-profile guests including Gabby Bernstein and Candace Fox
12:20 - The three categories of podcasts: "junk food" pop culture, educational content, and personal journals
17:40 - The importance of thorough preparation and research before interviews
19:30 - Why sound quality matters and how it affects listener retention
24:15 - Consistency in publishing schedule and why it matters to their audience
28:45 - Advice for aspiring podcasters: learn every aspect of production and be passionate
Whether you're a longtime listener or discovering Fearlessly Failing for the first time, this episode offers valuable insights into podcast creation while celebrating the authentic connection Lola has built with her audience. Listen now to learn what makes a successful podcast thrive for six years and counting!
Big love,
Lola
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,
and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure
because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,
grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview
a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,
(00:26):
all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,
and welcome to fearlessly Failing. This episode is a bit
of a roundup of the year. The pod this year
turned six. We are nearing eight hundred episodes, so I
have bought in the big guns. I have bought in
(00:48):
Boss aka Matt, my boyfriend, to do a roundup of
the year that was. And this podcast this year has
been based out of Los Angeles predominantly. So yeah, Boss,
jump in, let's let's talk about the year that was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hello, Hello, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I was just saying to you, this is the first
time you've done a filmed pot Yeah, that's true. It
definitely started as an audio.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I've taken you six years to invite me on a
filmed of course, I feel like you don't want anyone
seeing me. That is no or you're behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, and that is fair. Let's start with that. You
do do a lot of the behind the scenes, a
lot of the editing as you. I'm kind of in
the booking show notes vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I love that you say, Oh, you do a lot
of it. I do it all. There's no like the music. Yes,
you've got all original music, you've got a full time editor,
you've got a full time fixer. Yeah, at your disposal
so gorgeous as well, thank you. But yes, no, I
am very much behind the scenes. You do all the
(01:54):
research well.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And for people that don't know you're a composer based
here in Los Angeles, a lot of Ouzsie work as well,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, what's your like Pie in the sky? What would
be your dream gig?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh? How long do we have? No? I don't know.
I think. I think, first of all, I think just
so lucky to be able to work in like this
industry and it is like my only job and using
that to get through. But yeah, Pie in the Sky
obviously like a movie, feature film, a feature film, I
(02:28):
think so. Yeah, I feel like dark or horror for you, Yeah,
but I do love watching horror.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Music is amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I think it would have to be something like really dramatic.
We are watching what do we Want to Rabbit? Yeah,
Black Rabbit Terminal is yeah, And I really like the
music that was in that, So maybe something in that
in that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Genre like action drama.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Sakario is our favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Zakaria absolutely, And I think I think a lot of
people say, you know, they will do some like crazy
like I want to do like a Pirate the Caribbean,
but like that already exists. Like I want something different,
something and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's what isn't that? John?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's hard? Yeah, you know, but yeah, something myself, Pine Sky,
some sort of big dramatic production like that, or a
dramatic TV show like that.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I believe is that?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I believe in you. So we're we're nearing eight
hundred apps.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yep. How does it feel? It feels like I've got
a hard drive full of eight hundred episodes taking up space.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And this year and last year we've converted a lot
doing more video content as well, like so many podcasters
out there.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I love it. At the workload literally triples. Yeah, the
workload is wild, but it's it's just a fun way
and obviously one of my dreams is to be a
talk show host. So you get to live that your
best talk show.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It feels very talk show host, do you yeah, just
long form. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I did some research for this episode and I
just wanted to We always every year we do a
roundup Pod turn six. This year there we've covered so
much stuff in the year. We've actually covered quite a
few natural disasters.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I've got that in my notes as well.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
The cyclone this year and when we're back to Australia.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The fires first. Yeah, so La fires.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, we were in the thick of that. Yeah, we
did that well. And I think the pod has like
it started out fearlessly failing, started out where I would
interview like really successful Aussies. That's kind of like where
it came from, and we talked about the highs and
lows of their career. Whereas now it's like very much
because of the Friday Diary episode. It documents where we're
(04:38):
at in our lives. So that's where like sharing a
lot about the fires, sharing about the cyclone, which remember
your sister didn't believe it was a cyclone.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Maybe she didn't. She she was.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Like okay, but I think we've covered a lot of
travel too.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, well I did. I was looking through the last
twelve months of episodes. Yeah, and it was like Travel Special, Dad,
Travel Special, Mum Travel Special, you know, Santa Barbara, Lost Leave,
Joshua Tree, New York, Like I'm not did you do
New York this year?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, New York like yes, every and then obviously Grand
Titon's Yellowstone. What else? Well?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Also I did Memphis with Mums, so that was like
the Elvis trip, and then Nashville Johnny Cash. We have
covered a lot, so there's definitely a lot of like
travel guys now that sit on this pod as well,
which are so much fun to record because they are
just like you're sharing your itinery you're sharing what worked,
what didn't work, all in a bid to hopefully like
(05:47):
help others.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think people love that stuff because say, like we
were booking a trip to somewhere, you would just go
on like you know, the podcasting and put in Yellowstone
and your episode would come up, yeah you know, and
it's like then you get like a blow by blow.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I find the travel stuff so fun for wonder lusty vibes.
We've had a lot of guests on as well, though
that are from the arts and a lot now I've
noticed this year versus last year, American guests like Josh Friedman.
Linda Duncombe's Aussie, but her drive and ambition and energy
feels American to me. Well, I think she's lived here
(06:28):
for mazillion years.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Ten fifteen years or something like that. So yeah, she's
got that Ossie heart with the American drive, with the
American kind of drive, which about I love about her.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Wade and Western Showrunners.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You're saying all the things that I was going to
bring up in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, we'll take it away.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, no, well you've done them all now. I was like,
these are these are all? I think the highlight to
the year that we've Yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
In March we went to Australia and filmed a bunch
of episodes, both in Sydney and in Melbourne, and Mitch
Dury was a standout for me. It's true, absolutely, because
he's a comedian, talk show host, a lot of fun
and he's got his own talk show now.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He does, he does. And you also did Candace Fox
for the second time, which she's.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Think was it second?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, which she's like your favorite of you know, not
that not that you can play favorites, but I think
that she's probably one of your mosts. When you finish
the interview, you've been most excited about it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, the cool thing about Candis is she's one of
Australia's well she's Australia's most celebrated crime fiction author and
she's sold one of her book ideas is with Apple
TV right now and Ridley Scott is producing here right now,
and so just that kind of like to see her
she's the same age as us, To see the trajectory
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of her career and life unfold and like do a
check in three years later was so cool to see.
I think that's what I love about creatives and getting
creatives back on the pod AFT for a couple of
years to see.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Where they've gone.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And yeah, yeah, it's really fascinating. And because we're interviewing
people that don't have very linear careers, they're very much
like you get an opportunity over here and then that
can lead to momentum where you go over here, and
so it's kind of cool to like go back and
check on people.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We're kind of cool to see, like the first bunch, like,
you know, the first bunch of episodes that we did,
how their lives of livespened.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm trying to get our first guest back on oh.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Really yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, maybe you've got more power than me. I also
interviewed quite a lot of acting coaches in the last
twelve months as well, which is really cool. There was
such good like lessons, and I find acting coaches so
willing to share, yeah, you know, info to help because
they know, like acting school isn't cheap. And so I've
found that those kind of podcasts were so like informative
(08:55):
and educational to other actors. And I think we've got
a lot of feedback on those ones.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
People love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What else? What else is on your list?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What else? Am I to pull my phone out?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
He said that earlier he was like, can I pull
my phone out?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Do you know what? You've actually pretty much mentioned everything
I've got on my list. I would also say the
fact that like you did Gabby Bernstein when we were
in Australia and like they contacted you, yeah, to come
on the pod, Like that's a big guest, huge following,
and for them to contact you to be like hey,
(09:31):
like can we get Gabby on your podcast?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Can I say that was quite a stressful experience.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, totally, but like.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Not because of Gabby, just like it went through like
multiple teams and so like you're sending links to like
all these different teams, and somewhere along the line it
literally got lost the zoom link and then Gabby was
literally dming me being like I'm waiting, can you please
personally send me the zoom link because someone hadn't And
I think because she had an Aussie team and American
(09:58):
to and was just moving.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Through always happened stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But it ate into our interview time. So what was
a half an hour interview quickly became a twenty three
minute interview.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's right. And she was very specific too.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And which I like. I quite like that and we
I find that quite inspiring. But we were also living
was stormy, really stormy where we were staying in Byron
and I was like, please let the rain stop for
thirty minutes. And because it was America, she was in
New York, we were in Byron Bay. I think it
was like a six AM or a five AMY.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think it was was really early, super early.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think one thing that I would like to share
to help the listener, is like, if anyone's got an
idea of starting a podcast, like, let's be really truthful
about what works, what doesn't work, what's in all? Like
what have you found? The biggest challenge of podland and
navigating it's kind of a moving beast podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I definitely think, yeah, it's a moving beast, and I
think from where it started to where it is now
is completely different. But I do think that there's like
there's different categories. There's like your junk food podcasts.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Like what's that like true crime and stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, no junk food. Like let's talk about like dumb things.
You know, what's dumb things?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Do you mean like like like reality TV? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like I mean like pop culture things. So there's like
that's like your junk food. That's like your snack food.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Quick little you can dip in. You're not necessarily committed
to the power.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, And so there there is that, and then there's
the other side, which is I would say you're more educational,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's like your Tim Ferris kind of vibe or your
diary overseas.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Which I would think that you slip more into that.
And then I think the third category is literally you
just want to follow the life of a person, person
journal entry, Yeah, which is I think why like your
Friday Diaries are super interesting, you know, like they're one
of the highest listening you know, listening to, viewership, listenership,
(12:11):
whatever you want to call it. So yeah, so I
look at it in those three character categories. Yeah. So
it's like junk food. I don't think culture cup culture.
I call it junk food because I look at it
and I'm like, some of them are these like you know,
ex Love Island, what you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Their listenership and viewership is so high already existing audience
from reality.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To em Yeah. Yeah, am I allowed to say something bad?
There was like so controversial. I know. Well there was
one that like just popped up on my Instagram and
they were both talking how they didn't know how to
read a clock like that like the hands on a clock. Yeah.
I was like, how is this entertainment?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Like made you watch it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And I literally watch it five times, being like what
is wrong with you guys?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like what they didn't know military time? Or they literally can't.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Read a watch, like just cannot read like a normal
a normal watch. Like that, and I was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Give me a look, no, look, I don't believe this
is even.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I'll refine it and send it to you. I'm like,
but like, I wouldn't bring that up on a podcast,
Like I can't read the time.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And this is where I think, oh, I'm not going
to mind. This is where I think preparation comes in.
I think there are podcasters that aren't super into prep,
and sometimes it works like if you're shooting the ship
talking about hands on a watch and not knowing how
to read them, versus like I would say, we sit
in the other end of the scale, which is like
(13:50):
heavy prep. Like I don't ever come into a pod
without notes. I interviewed an actor yesterday and she's like,
oh my god, how did you know to ask me
a question? Right after I answered, I'm like, well, I
researched you as much as I could. So I would
say to anybody that's thinking of doing a pod or
starting a pod, like, spend the time doing the prep
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and as the kind of like it's a bit like acting,
like the fitter you get with auditioning quicker you can
learn a script, the fitter you get with like preparing
for guests, the more you can figure out how to
like sometimes, like Gabby, that was a really quick turnaround
that I had to prepare that episode for, so you
can kind of do it in like three hours. But
when I first started, it was like ten to twelve
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per guest, whereas now I've learnt like how to like
fast track that by going straight to YouTube, then going
to IMDb pro then go and like and then like
at the last thing I will check is someone's social media,
because then you're gonna get the most like newsworthy, up
to date stuff that they're willing to share. I always
my whole thing. As well as like create a safe
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space for the guests so that they feel comfortable to
go anyway they want. I think that's really key.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think, like getting back to the actual question that
you did ask me though, like how have things changed? Yeah,
and it's I think when you started the podcast it
was very very new. Yeah. So yeah, getting you know,
all these social media people and influencers and people that
hadn't done anything was all new and exciting. Yeah, you know,
(15:20):
but after six years that's all been done to death.
So it did it did require more thought and depth
into what we were doing and what you were doing
and creating more value in the podcast. So I think
it became from yeah, just an interview based like you know,
they're a cool person or whatever it was, to actually like,
(15:43):
what is the value in this?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
What's the takeaway?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What's the takeaway? What is actual value? And it has
always been that, but I think it's more refined now. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Now, anytime I infer an actor, I don't let
them leave the pod without giving advice for a young actor.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Every time i'm writers, we do the same. Yeah, because
the arts world is so full of rejection. I want
to hear those stories too, to like give people hope
when they're not getting a callback, or do people hope
if they've got a manuscript and they've sent it to
every you know, publishing house and getting donuts.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I think as well, because literally right now, anyone
can start a podcast. It is the easiest thing to do.
And believe me, some people should not have podcasts but food.
Hence the junk foodies. You know, all these kids trying
to give dating advice. I'm like, twenty three, bro, like, yeah,
(16:41):
live a little before you give some dating advice. So yeah,
I do think that you definitely need to set yourself
apart and create value.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
How important to you being like more in that kind
of like behind the scenes role is sound quality.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's one hundred Like the I think it's the most
important thing because most people still consume podcasts either on
headphones or in the car. Yeah, so when you're definitely
in those two environments, it's a very intimate thing. So
the host is talking directly to you into your year.
And every time I listen to a podcast and it's
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badly recorded or noisy, or it hasn't been you know,
some post production done on it, it hurts my ears
and annoys me, and then I don't want to listen
to it. And I think the person doesn't understand post production.
Would listen to something just be like no, I don't
like that, not without realizing that they haven't done the
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post production. So I think it it sweetens the sound
for me. And I would go back and listen to
a podcast, but it was badly recorded after one app,
I wouldn't care who the guest was. Really, I wouldn't
go back and listen to again. Absolutely not. Yeah, it
makes sense, And I think the general public like subconsciously
knows that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, because I think think when COVID happened, that allowed
people to do a lot more like on the fly
rogue kind of recording, and we were kind of willing
to let their quality slide a little bit because everyone
was doing zoom interviews and stuff like that, Whereas now
I think people understand the power of like really good,
like using beautiful mics, being in a beautiful studio. You know,
(18:20):
I am not to throw you under the bush. Here
we go, but we had a little issue with our
ST card the other day.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh yes we did.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And we lost a full episode.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We lost. She looked at the camera, So it was
my fault. I'm going to take full responsibility for this.
Having said that, we've only lost three episodes in our
entire one of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Which you accidentally wiped the SD card.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'd like to formally apologize for that, but that was
our friend.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. So she came back on same with the guests
a couple of weeks ago. They were like, yep, I'll
be there to like literally two day later, came and
recorded it. I will say, because you've done this rehearsal run.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
What's the rehearsal run?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, the lost st fire like the loss the second
time recording it is always better. Ah yeah, yeah, because
everyone's like comfy. You know your talk points, you've literally
done it before, and so you've actually got more space
to stretch the interview and like go to places that
and also my brain has already produced it, so I know, Okay,
(19:28):
that story they told was a bit too long. I'm
not even going to go there, or I'm going to
just get the like the gem of that story and
quickly change it and go down another route.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You got to get comfortable with the tech side of everything,
because i mean, let's be real, out of seven hundred
or eight hundred episodes, three is not that bad. No
that I think that's like statistically that's not that bad.
But yeah, get familiar because SD cards they do blow up. Yeah,
you know, batteries they do run out. Yeah, call my
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cause break.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Like sometimes I've had guests that are quite nervous and
they'll be holding the mic and twisting the cord like
the cord coming out of the mic and it is
you can hear that feedback.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
But some rooms I've got.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
A little electricity, like they're not sound you can hear
that feedback.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Or they literally like they just don't sit anywhere near
a microphone or talk into the microphone.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Which was me for a long time. Oh it was you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, on you like a hawk into the microphone.
You're pretty good now.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, well you've trained me, Yes, you've trained me well. Also,
this being the end of the year means that it's
also when we bring in our Christmas episodes. But that's
the one time I reapurpose episodes because I just love
those episodes so much. We always bring back on Oh
and Teal, Oh and Teal who I got to who's
off Game of Thrones and I got to interview off
the back of him being in a Christmas carol and
(20:54):
he like that episode still makes me tear up, just
so lovely and kind and and the other one is
Dennis Walter, who for an Aussie will know is like
the voice of Christmas because he sings at the carols
every year. And so like, don't be afraid if you're
a podcast or if you've got a favorite episode, like
don't be afraid of repurposing it. Like every Christmas we
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bring those two episodes out because we love them so much.
I also love a theme like.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
A lot of podcasters do that you can just.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Re record your intros.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, exactly, you know, or they repurpose parts of their
favorite interviews and then put that out over Christmas, you know,
because like I do think this kind of brings you
brings us to something else with podcasting. But you do
need to be regular. You can't be consistency, yeah, you know.
You can't be inconsistent. You can't be like, oh, do
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one app and then wait two weeks and then you know,
whatever it is, You've got to be doing them every week,
you know. Or it's a very yeah, or a very
specific kind of setup that people know when to expect them.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Agreed. We bring out three episodes a week. We have
our long form on Monday, which is what this is.
We have a hot Seat which we're about to record
off the back of this, which is a Wednesday just
fun light episode, and then we have a Friday Diary.
And we did not take breaks over Christmas other than
those two repurposed episodes.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
How do we create more work for myself?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm like, it's easy. Another thing we choose to do
with our pod is we don't really edit it that much.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think I've done a single edit really, And
how long in forever. Actually, the only edit I did
in the last maybe like six or nine months was
Josh where he paused for like just like a smidge
too long, yeah, And I was like, I took the
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pause out and fine, and that was it. But I
didn't like edit or cut anything he said.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
We've had to cut for guests. We've had to cut
for guests though. Sometimes I guess, well because it's quite
vulnerable sharing on a podcast, and sometimes I guess will
kind of like share an incredibly personal story and then
they'll go, do you know what I don't like that
I did that? Can you pull that out? And usually
it's such a good story that I'll be like, please,
can we keep it? And and twice we've been asked
(23:14):
to pull stuff out and.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We've done it. That's true and.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Full respect to the guests. They need to know that
it's safe and that they can you and me editing
it and it's safe if they want to pull anything out.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
The other thing I think to mention, and I know
it's kind of taboo to talk about money and finance,
but the podcast can be something that you make money
off as well from an advertising perspective, so not be
afraid of, like you know, because you do the ad
markers every time you do the edit.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Y right, Yeah, yeah, we do ad markers. So there's
a on the long form interviews, there's a mid roll ad.
So there's one at the start, one at the end,
and there's a mid role ad. Yeah, on the on
the short ones, there's no mid mid roll ad, just
starting end. But as I said, like any commercial podcast,
when you are with a commercial network, whatever it is,
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there is always adds.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And it's a fun way to make revenue that you
don't really need to. It's quite passive. You don't really
think about it unless they book you as the like
as a vo as a host, which we get that
a couple of times a year as well, which is
so much fun.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But yeah, remember it is like there is a business
aspect to it, and it does all cost money to.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Produce content and hiring studio.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Getting my makeup done, getting your hair done. But yeah,
so like, yeah, you got to understand that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
If you could put it into a nutshell, what advice
would you I know we've touched on heaps of but
if it was just like one tip bit from today,
what advice would you have for aspiring podcaster.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh, there's a hard question. My one piece of advice
is that there is no easy option. There is no shortcuts.
Learn every aspect of it. And I'm talking from like
sound editing to video editing. Really yeah, like your own producer,
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to be your own producer, you know what I mean.
Like I've like, since we're doing this, like I downloaded
Da Vinci Resolve and.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now all of us for the listener.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It's like a video editing program, but a good one. Yeah, well,
like they do, Resolve is like a top you know,
film TV. Yeah, it's an editing and coloring, color grading program.
But yeah, there's like a free version of it. Yeah,
And I spoke to, you know, an editor friend of
(25:48):
mine that uses Resolve, and he's like, yeah, get the
free version. Learn that and that's what I use and
that's really Yeah. So the point is is, like with
editing software, it's either very cheap or you can get
free versions of things, but teach yourself how to do it,
make it sound good, and or ask someone to teach you,
you know, like or do a little short course or
(26:09):
do something. But invest in that. And same with the gear,
Like the gear is not that expensive just to do
an audio podcast. Spend just do it, don't do a
shitty job. And yeah, so was that what you're asking?
What's my advice? Yeah, learn fucking everything on your own
(26:29):
and do it. Yeah, do it right, friend, that doesn't
I mean if you can get a boyfriend. You know.
My favorite part about you is like you're like, oh,
this is my boyfriend. Here's a composer. And then it's
like Betty also edits my podcast, you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Know, so it's like do you like doing it?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Though I don't. I don't like love or hate it.
I think I'm somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, so like I enjoy the outcome of it. Sometimes
it's a little bit annoying, like fear or fixing things.
But yeah, overall I've got it down to a pretty
fine art now, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, can I say what my advice would be?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah? I was about to ask sorry straight to the
camera boss like you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, my advice would be, and this is going to
be coming at it more as a creative, but I
would say, prepare, prepare, prepare, so that you can There's
a famous sports commentator in Australia called Bruce mcaveney and
He famously knows everything about everything you can put him
in like races, footy, cricket. He just knows everything. And
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he famously says, you do all the preparation.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And then you throw it away, throw it away.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And I like the idea of like having the notes,
like I always write copius amounts of notes down, but
then and being able to refer back to them, but
also be able to just go on a tangent with
the guest and then kind of like draw them back in.
So like so I would say preparation and then to
echo what you said. I think consistency is key if
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you're gonna and I will be really honest, three episodes
a week as a huge commitment. It is, and we
still stick to because our audience is probably sixty seventy
percent Australian, so we stick to an Australian timeline. So like,
if I'm doing a Friday diary, we know that has
to come out by like midnight or midday sorry, on
a Thursday here in LA and so that means we
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want to record it on a Wednesday. Now, a Friday
diary is meant to be a week wrapper, so you
kind of have to maguy for it a little bit
to kind of like and I would just say, like
stick to consistency because on the odd occasion when for
some reason we haven't got a Friday Diary out exactly
at that time, people will write to me on Instagram
like a U, Okay, where is it? Because they're subscribed
(28:47):
so they know if it like it's part of and
if you're consistent, your podcast will become part of somebody's
lifestyle and be like an habitual thing.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said, driving to work or
the morning. Yeah something. Can I just add like one
more thing to the advice, like be fucking passionate, Like
do it because you want to do it. Don't do
it because you want to sit and be filmed and
have Instagram content. Like, do it because you actually fucking
(29:18):
want to do it. Yeah, you know, interview, have these conversations,
not for your own personal whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Like, well, I think it's been really clear on like
the purpose of the pod, Like why does the pod exist?
Like Felasy failing. Is he to inspire people to go
out and do that thing they love but it may
be a bit scared of That's the whole like em
o of felsly failing. But I think it's been really
clear on why your pod exists and what you can
give back to your audience is opposed to look at me,
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I'm fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I think it kind of comes back to even
like not bringing it back to myself, but like music
and whatever, like yeah, you don't do it because you
just want to be famous, like because ninety center it
is shit, the rejection whatever, like you still got it.
You gotta love that part of it, you know. Like
I love podcasting. I don't love the editing all the time,
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but I love the process of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And it's fun when an EP comes out and you
get to see it come to life and you get
to see it fly and you get to see what
Like we bought an episode out. We record an episode
recently about our trip to Wyoming, and the funniest thing
that we got so much feedback on that I randomly
the night before research so we shared on that episode
a five day itinery of Yellowstone of Grand Teton. But
(30:33):
then the night before because when we were there and
our lights turned on in the middle of the night,
and so I researched haunted locations all around where we
were and that's what people are writing to me about,
so like, don't be afraid of kind of like going
above and beyond on the research and really like, like
you said, caring about it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I think as well with the research. Thing is, I
do notice a lot of podcasts when they aren't prepared.
They're using a lot of filler words, so a lot
of the arms that like and it's we all do
it to a certain degree, but you do notice it
when someone doesn't know what they're talking about, or they're underprepared,
(31:14):
or they're trying to find the right words. Yeah. And
I would even say you and I have gotten a
lot better at it in general conversation in our podcasts
that we say less likes and arms.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
The feedback my dad, Noel Smith gave to me when
we first launched it was stop saying like enough yeah,
and I was like, oh my god, and I went in,
I think also, you can use fellow words when you're nervous. Yeah,
And I think I think that now we're so comfortable
with podcasting, Like I was more nervous about what I
had to familiar not this this is exciting and fun.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Your dad also told you and stop swearing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
He did I don't swear too much on the pod, don't.
So there you have it. If you've got a dream
for a podcast, go out and do it, but do
it prepared. And I always say, I, you're going to
launch a podcast, have six episodes, episodes in the cans,
so you can do that consistent. Drop on every Monday
or Wednesday or Friday, whatever you want to bring out
pods and then yeah, really kind of like let it.
(32:12):
Let whenever that pod drops, like commit to it, like
pop it on your in stuff, pop it on your TikTok,
pop it on YouTube and YouTube shorts. If you have
a substack, like I release a substack to time in
with my Friday diary, like make it all work together.
I always think that's a really good way as well,
because you're hitting different people have different mediums, Like a
lot of Americans love to watch a pod, a lot
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of Australians love to listen to a pod. And then
substack is for people like to read and write, you know,
like hit all your bases because we all you auditory,
your visual, everyone's different. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You're smart. You're so smart.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's very sweet, isn't he? Thank you for jumping on
the pod and how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Your film podcast? You feel fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Thanks for jumping on, Thank you for watching and for listening.
Can you believe the pod is six years old and
eight hundred apps? Holy mackerel. I cannot wait to see
what comes next for the pod and next year pumped.
That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
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thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
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Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,
and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure
because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,
grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview
a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,
(00:26):
all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,
and welcome to fearlessly Failing. This episode is a bit
of a roundup of the year. The pod this year
turned six. We are nearing eight hundred episodes, so I
have bought in the big guns. I have bought in
(00:48):
Boss aka Matt, my boyfriend, to do a roundup of
the year that was. And this podcast this year has
been based out of Los Angeles predominantly. So yeah, Boss,
jump in, let's let's talk about the year that was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hello, Hello, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I was just saying to you, this is the first
time you've done a filmed pot Yeah, that's true. It
definitely started as an audio.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I've taken you six years to invite me on a
filmed of course, I feel like you don't want anyone
seeing me. That is no or you're behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, and that is fair. Let's start with that. You
do do a lot of the behind the scenes, a
lot of the editing as you. I'm kind of in
the booking show notes vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I love that you say, Oh, you do a lot
of it. I do it all. There's no like the music. Yes,
you've got all original music, you've got a full time editor,
you've got a full time fixer. Yeah, at your disposal
so gorgeous as well, thank you. But yes, no, I
am very much behind the scenes. You do all the
(01:54):
research well.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And for people that don't know you're a composer based
here in Los Angeles, a lot of Ouzsie work as well,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, what's your like Pie in the sky? What would
be your dream gig?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh? How long do we have? No? I don't know.
I think. I think, first of all, I think just
so lucky to be able to work in like this
industry and it is like my only job and using
that to get through. But yeah, Pie in the Sky
obviously like a movie, feature film, a feature film, I
(02:28):
think so. Yeah, I feel like dark or horror for you, Yeah,
but I do love watching horror.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Music is amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I think it would have to be something like really dramatic.
We are watching what do we Want to Rabbit? Yeah,
Black Rabbit Terminal is yeah, And I really like the
music that was in that, So maybe something in that
in that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Genre like action drama.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Sakario is our favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Zakaria absolutely, And I think I think a lot of
people say, you know, they will do some like crazy
like I want to do like a Pirate the Caribbean,
but like that already exists. Like I want something different,
something and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's what isn't that? John?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's hard? Yeah, you know, but yeah, something myself, Pine Sky,
some sort of big dramatic production like that, or a
dramatic TV show like that.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I believe is that?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I believe in you. So we're we're nearing eight
hundred apps.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yep. How does it feel? It feels like I've got
a hard drive full of eight hundred episodes taking up space.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And this year and last year we've converted a lot
doing more video content as well, like so many podcasters
out there.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I love it. At the workload literally triples. Yeah, the
workload is wild, but it's it's just a fun way
and obviously one of my dreams is to be a
talk show host. So you get to live that your
best talk show.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It feels very talk show host, do you yeah, just
long form. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I did some research for this episode and I
just wanted to We always every year we do a
roundup Pod turn six. This year there we've covered so
much stuff in the year. We've actually covered quite a
few natural disasters.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I've got that in my notes as well.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
The cyclone this year and when we're back to Australia.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The fires first. Yeah, so La fires.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, we were in the thick of that. Yeah, we
did that well. And I think the pod has like
it started out fearlessly failing, started out where I would
interview like really successful Aussies. That's kind of like where
it came from, and we talked about the highs and
lows of their career. Whereas now it's like very much
because of the Friday Diary episode. It documents where we're
(04:38):
at in our lives. So that's where like sharing a
lot about the fires, sharing about the cyclone, which remember
your sister didn't believe it was a cyclone.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Maybe she didn't. She she was.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Like okay, but I think we've covered a lot of
travel too.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, well I did. I was looking through the last
twelve months of episodes. Yeah, and it was like Travel Special, Dad,
Travel Special, Mum Travel Special, you know, Santa Barbara, Lost Leave,
Joshua Tree, New York, Like I'm not did you do
New York this year?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, New York like yes, every and then obviously Grand
Titon's Yellowstone. What else? Well?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Also I did Memphis with Mums, so that was like
the Elvis trip, and then Nashville Johnny Cash. We have
covered a lot, so there's definitely a lot of like
travel guys now that sit on this pod as well,
which are so much fun to record because they are
just like you're sharing your itinery you're sharing what worked,
what didn't work, all in a bid to hopefully like
(05:47):
help others.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think people love that stuff because say, like we
were booking a trip to somewhere, you would just go
on like you know, the podcasting and put in Yellowstone
and your episode would come up, yeah you know, and
it's like then you get like a blow by blow.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I find the travel stuff so fun for wonder lusty vibes.
We've had a lot of guests on as well, though
that are from the arts and a lot now I've
noticed this year versus last year, American guests like Josh Friedman.
Linda Duncombe's Aussie, but her drive and ambition and energy
feels American to me. Well, I think she's lived here
(06:28):
for mazillion years.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Ten fifteen years or something like that. So yeah, she's
got that Ossie heart with the American drive, with the
American kind of drive, which about I love about her.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Wade and Western Showrunners.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You're saying all the things that I was going to
bring up in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, we'll take it away.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, no, well you've done them all now. I was like,
these are these are all? I think the highlight to
the year that we've Yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
In March we went to Australia and filmed a bunch
of episodes, both in Sydney and in Melbourne, and Mitch
Dury was a standout for me. It's true, absolutely, because
he's a comedian, talk show host, a lot of fun
and he's got his own talk show now.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He does, he does. And you also did Candace Fox
for the second time, which she's.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Think was it second?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, which she's like your favorite of you know, not
that not that you can play favorites, but I think
that she's probably one of your mosts. When you finish
the interview, you've been most excited about it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, the cool thing about Candis is she's one of
Australia's well she's Australia's most celebrated crime fiction author and
she's sold one of her book ideas is with Apple
TV right now and Ridley Scott is producing here right now,
and so just that kind of like to see her
she's the same age as us, To see the trajectory
(07:49):
of her career and life unfold and like do a
check in three years later was so cool to see.
I think that's what I love about creatives and getting
creatives back on the pod AFT for a couple of
years to see.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Where they've gone.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And yeah, yeah, it's really fascinating. And because we're interviewing
people that don't have very linear careers, they're very much
like you get an opportunity over here and then that
can lead to momentum where you go over here, and
so it's kind of cool to like go back and
check on people.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We're kind of cool to see, like the first bunch, like,
you know, the first bunch of episodes that we did,
how their lives of livespened.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm trying to get our first guest back on oh.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Really yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, maybe you've got more power than me. I also
interviewed quite a lot of acting coaches in the last
twelve months as well, which is really cool. There was
such good like lessons, and I find acting coaches so
willing to share, yeah, you know, info to help because
they know, like acting school isn't cheap. And so I've
found that those kind of podcasts were so like informative
(08:55):
and educational to other actors. And I think we've got
a lot of feedback on those ones.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
People love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What else? What else is on your list?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What else? Am I to pull my phone out?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
He said that earlier he was like, can I pull
my phone out?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Do you know what? You've actually pretty much mentioned everything
I've got on my list. I would also say the
fact that like you did Gabby Bernstein when we were
in Australia and like they contacted you, yeah, to come
on the pod, Like that's a big guest, huge following,
and for them to contact you to be like hey,
(09:31):
like can we get Gabby on your podcast?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Can I say that was quite a stressful experience.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, totally, but like.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Not because of Gabby, just like it went through like
multiple teams and so like you're sending links to like
all these different teams, and somewhere along the line it
literally got lost the zoom link and then Gabby was
literally dming me being like I'm waiting, can you please
personally send me the zoom link because someone hadn't And
I think because she had an Aussie team and American
(09:58):
to and was just moving.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Through always happened stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But it ate into our interview time. So what was
a half an hour interview quickly became a twenty three
minute interview.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's right. And she was very specific too.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And which I like. I quite like that and we
I find that quite inspiring. But we were also living
was stormy, really stormy where we were staying in Byron
and I was like, please let the rain stop for
thirty minutes. And because it was America, she was in
New York, we were in Byron Bay. I think it
was like a six AM or a five AMY.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think it was was really early, super early.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think one thing that I would like to share
to help the listener, is like, if anyone's got an
idea of starting a podcast, like, let's be really truthful
about what works, what doesn't work, what's in all? Like
what have you found? The biggest challenge of podland and
navigating it's kind of a moving beast podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I definitely think, yeah, it's a moving beast, and I
think from where it started to where it is now
is completely different. But I do think that there's like
there's different categories. There's like your junk food podcasts.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Like what's that like true crime and stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, no junk food. Like let's talk about like dumb things.
You know, what's dumb things?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Do you mean like like like reality TV? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like I mean like pop culture things. So there's like
that's like your junk food. That's like your snack food.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Quick little you can dip in. You're not necessarily committed
to the power.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, And so there there is that, and then there's
the other side, which is I would say you're more educational,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's like your Tim Ferris kind of vibe or your
diary overseas.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Which I would think that you slip more into that.
And then I think the third category is literally you
just want to follow the life of a person, person
journal entry, Yeah, which is I think why like your
Friday Diaries are super interesting, you know, like they're one
of the highest listening you know, listening to, viewership, listenership,
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whatever you want to call it. So yeah, so I
look at it in those three character categories. Yeah. So
it's like junk food. I don't think culture cup culture.
I call it junk food because I look at it
and I'm like, some of them are these like you know,
ex Love Island, what you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Their listenership and viewership is so high already existing audience
from reality.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To em Yeah. Yeah, am I allowed to say something bad?
There was like so controversial. I know. Well there was
one that like just popped up on my Instagram and
they were both talking how they didn't know how to
read a clock like that like the hands on a clock. Yeah.
I was like, how is this entertainment?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Like made you watch it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And I literally watch it five times, being like what
is wrong with you guys?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like what they didn't know military time? Or they literally can't.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Read a watch, like just cannot read like a normal
a normal watch. Like that, and I was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Give me a look, no, look, I don't believe this
is even.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I'll refine it and send it to you. I'm like,
but like, I wouldn't bring that up on a podcast,
Like I can't read the time.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And this is where I think, oh, I'm not going
to mind. This is where I think preparation comes in.
I think there are podcasters that aren't super into prep,
and sometimes it works like if you're shooting the ship
talking about hands on a watch and not knowing how
to read them, versus like I would say, we sit
in the other end of the scale, which is like
(13:50):
heavy prep. Like I don't ever come into a pod
without notes. I interviewed an actor yesterday and she's like,
oh my god, how did you know to ask me
a question? Right after I answered, I'm like, well, I
researched you as much as I could. So I would
say to anybody that's thinking of doing a pod or
starting a pod, like, spend the time doing the prep
(14:11):
and as the kind of like it's a bit like acting,
like the fitter you get with auditioning quicker you can
learn a script, the fitter you get with like preparing
for guests, the more you can figure out how to
like sometimes, like Gabby, that was a really quick turnaround
that I had to prepare that episode for, so you
can kind of do it in like three hours. But
when I first started, it was like ten to twelve
(14:32):
per guest, whereas now I've learnt like how to like
fast track that by going straight to YouTube, then going
to IMDb pro then go and like and then like
at the last thing I will check is someone's social media,
because then you're gonna get the most like newsworthy, up
to date stuff that they're willing to share. I always
my whole thing. As well as like create a safe
(14:53):
space for the guests so that they feel comfortable to
go anyway they want. I think that's really key.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think, like getting back to the actual question that
you did ask me though, like how have things changed? Yeah,
and it's I think when you started the podcast it
was very very new. Yeah. So yeah, getting you know,
all these social media people and influencers and people that
hadn't done anything was all new and exciting. Yeah, you know,
(15:20):
but after six years that's all been done to death.
So it did it did require more thought and depth
into what we were doing and what you were doing
and creating more value in the podcast. So I think
it became from yeah, just an interview based like you know,
they're a cool person or whatever it was, to actually like,
(15:43):
what is the value in this?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
What's the takeaway?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What's the takeaway? What is actual value? And it has
always been that, but I think it's more refined now. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Now, anytime I infer an actor, I don't let
them leave the pod without giving advice for a young actor.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Every time i'm writers, we do the same. Yeah, because
the arts world is so full of rejection. I want
to hear those stories too, to like give people hope
when they're not getting a callback, or do people hope
if they've got a manuscript and they've sent it to
every you know, publishing house and getting donuts.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I think as well, because literally right now, anyone
can start a podcast. It is the easiest thing to do.
And believe me, some people should not have podcasts but food.
Hence the junk foodies. You know, all these kids trying
to give dating advice. I'm like, twenty three, bro, like, yeah,
(16:41):
live a little before you give some dating advice. So yeah,
I do think that you definitely need to set yourself
apart and create value.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
How important to you being like more in that kind
of like behind the scenes role is sound quality.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's one hundred Like the I think it's the most
important thing because most people still consume podcasts either on
headphones or in the car. Yeah, so when you're definitely
in those two environments, it's a very intimate thing. So
the host is talking directly to you into your year.
And every time I listen to a podcast and it's
(17:19):
badly recorded or noisy, or it hasn't been you know,
some post production done on it, it hurts my ears
and annoys me, and then I don't want to listen
to it. And I think the person doesn't understand post production.
Would listen to something just be like no, I don't
like that, not without realizing that they haven't done the
(17:40):
post production. So I think it it sweetens the sound
for me. And I would go back and listen to
a podcast, but it was badly recorded after one app,
I wouldn't care who the guest was. Really, I wouldn't
go back and listen to again. Absolutely not. Yeah, it
makes sense, And I think the general public like subconsciously
knows that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, because I think think when COVID happened, that allowed
people to do a lot more like on the fly
rogue kind of recording, and we were kind of willing
to let their quality slide a little bit because everyone
was doing zoom interviews and stuff like that, Whereas now
I think people understand the power of like really good,
like using beautiful mics, being in a beautiful studio. You know,
(18:20):
I am not to throw you under the bush. Here
we go, but we had a little issue with our
ST card the other day.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh yes we did.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And we lost a full episode.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We lost. She looked at the camera, So it was
my fault. I'm going to take full responsibility for this.
Having said that, we've only lost three episodes in our
entire one of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Which you accidentally wiped the SD card.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'd like to formally apologize for that, but that was
our friend.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. So she came back on same with the guests
a couple of weeks ago. They were like, yep, I'll
be there to like literally two day later, came and
recorded it. I will say, because you've done this rehearsal run.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
What's the rehearsal run?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, the lost st fire like the loss the second
time recording it is always better. Ah yeah, yeah, because
everyone's like comfy. You know your talk points, you've literally
done it before, and so you've actually got more space
to stretch the interview and like go to places that
and also my brain has already produced it, so I know, Okay,
(19:28):
that story they told was a bit too long. I'm
not even going to go there, or I'm going to
just get the like the gem of that story and
quickly change it and go down another route.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You got to get comfortable with the tech side of everything,
because i mean, let's be real, out of seven hundred
or eight hundred episodes, three is not that bad. No
that I think that's like statistically that's not that bad.
But yeah, get familiar because SD cards they do blow up. Yeah,
you know, batteries they do run out. Yeah, call my
(20:01):
cause break.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Like sometimes I've had guests that are quite nervous and
they'll be holding the mic and twisting the cord like
the cord coming out of the mic and it is
you can hear that feedback.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
But some rooms I've got.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
A little electricity, like they're not sound you can hear
that feedback.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Or they literally like they just don't sit anywhere near
a microphone or talk into the microphone.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Which was me for a long time. Oh it was you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, on you like a hawk into the microphone.
You're pretty good now.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, well you've trained me, Yes, you've trained me well. Also,
this being the end of the year means that it's
also when we bring in our Christmas episodes. But that's
the one time I reapurpose episodes because I just love
those episodes so much. We always bring back on Oh
and Teal, Oh and Teal who I got to who's
off Game of Thrones and I got to interview off
the back of him being in a Christmas carol and
(20:54):
he like that episode still makes me tear up, just
so lovely and kind and and the other one is
Dennis Walter, who for an Aussie will know is like
the voice of Christmas because he sings at the carols
every year. And so like, don't be afraid if you're
a podcast or if you've got a favorite episode, like
don't be afraid of repurposing it. Like every Christmas we
(21:15):
bring those two episodes out because we love them so much.
I also love a theme like.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
A lot of podcasters do that you can just.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Re record your intros.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, exactly, you know, or they repurpose parts of their
favorite interviews and then put that out over Christmas, you know,
because like I do think this kind of brings you
brings us to something else with podcasting. But you do
need to be regular. You can't be consistency, yeah, you know.
You can't be inconsistent. You can't be like, oh, do
(21:45):
one app and then wait two weeks and then you know,
whatever it is, You've got to be doing them every week,
you know. Or it's a very yeah, or a very
specific kind of setup that people know when to expect them.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Agreed. We bring out three episodes a week. We have
our long form on Monday, which is what this is.
We have a hot Seat which we're about to record
off the back of this, which is a Wednesday just
fun light episode, and then we have a Friday Diary.
And we did not take breaks over Christmas other than
those two repurposed episodes.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
How do we create more work for myself?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm like, it's easy. Another thing we choose to do
with our pod is we don't really edit it that much.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think I've done a single edit really, And
how long in forever. Actually, the only edit I did
in the last maybe like six or nine months was
Josh where he paused for like just like a smidge
too long, yeah, And I was like, I took the
(22:48):
pause out and fine, and that was it. But I
didn't like edit or cut anything he said.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
We've had to cut for guests. We've had to cut
for guests though. Sometimes I guess, well because it's quite
vulnerable sharing on a podcast, and sometimes I guess will
kind of like share an incredibly personal story and then
they'll go, do you know what I don't like that
I did that? Can you pull that out? And usually
it's such a good story that I'll be like, please,
can we keep it? And and twice we've been asked
(23:14):
to pull stuff out and.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We've done it. That's true and.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Full respect to the guests. They need to know that
it's safe and that they can you and me editing
it and it's safe if they want to pull anything out.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
The other thing I think to mention, and I know
it's kind of taboo to talk about money and finance,
but the podcast can be something that you make money
off as well from an advertising perspective, so not be
afraid of, like you know, because you do the ad
markers every time you do the edit.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Y right, Yeah, yeah, we do ad markers. So there's
a on the long form interviews, there's a mid roll ad.
So there's one at the start, one at the end,
and there's a mid role ad. Yeah, on the on
the short ones, there's no mid mid roll ad, just
starting end. But as I said, like any commercial podcast,
when you are with a commercial network, whatever it is,
(24:05):
there is always adds.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And it's a fun way to make revenue that you
don't really need to. It's quite passive. You don't really
think about it unless they book you as the like
as a vo as a host, which we get that
a couple of times a year as well, which is
so much fun.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But yeah, remember it is like there is a business
aspect to it, and it does all cost money to.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Produce content and hiring studio.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Getting my makeup done, getting your hair done. But yeah,
so like, yeah, you got to understand that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
If you could put it into a nutshell, what advice
would you I know we've touched on heaps of but
if it was just like one tip bit from today,
what advice would you have for aspiring podcaster.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh, there's a hard question. My one piece of advice
is that there is no easy option. There is no shortcuts.
Learn every aspect of it. And I'm talking from like
sound editing to video editing. Really yeah, like your own producer,
(25:15):
to be your own producer, you know what I mean.
Like I've like, since we're doing this, like I downloaded
Da Vinci Resolve and.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now all of us for the listener.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It's like a video editing program, but a good one. Yeah, well,
like they do, Resolve is like a top you know,
film TV. Yeah, it's an editing and coloring, color grading program.
But yeah, there's like a free version of it. Yeah,
And I spoke to, you know, an editor friend of
(25:48):
mine that uses Resolve, and he's like, yeah, get the
free version. Learn that and that's what I use and
that's really Yeah. So the point is is, like with
editing software, it's either very cheap or you can get
free versions of things, but teach yourself how to do it,
make it sound good, and or ask someone to teach you,
you know, like or do a little short course or
(26:09):
do something. But invest in that. And same with the gear,
Like the gear is not that expensive just to do
an audio podcast. Spend just do it, don't do a
shitty job. And yeah, so was that what you're asking?
What's my advice? Yeah, learn fucking everything on your own
(26:29):
and do it. Yeah, do it right, friend, that doesn't
I mean if you can get a boyfriend. You know.
My favorite part about you is like you're like, oh,
this is my boyfriend. Here's a composer. And then it's
like Betty also edits my podcast, you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Know, so it's like do you like doing it?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Though I don't. I don't like love or hate it.
I think I'm somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, so like I enjoy the outcome of it. Sometimes
it's a little bit annoying, like fear or fixing things.
But yeah, overall I've got it down to a pretty
fine art now, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, can I say what my advice would be?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah? I was about to ask sorry straight to the
camera boss like you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, my advice would be, and this is going to
be coming at it more as a creative, but I
would say, prepare, prepare, prepare, so that you can There's
a famous sports commentator in Australia called Bruce mcaveney and
He famously knows everything about everything you can put him
in like races, footy, cricket. He just knows everything. And
(27:37):
he famously says, you do all the preparation.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And then you throw it away, throw it away.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And I like the idea of like having the notes,
like I always write copius amounts of notes down, but
then and being able to refer back to them, but
also be able to just go on a tangent with
the guest and then kind of like draw them back in.
So like so I would say preparation and then to
echo what you said. I think consistency is key if
(28:03):
you're gonna and I will be really honest, three episodes
a week as a huge commitment. It is, and we
still stick to because our audience is probably sixty seventy
percent Australian, so we stick to an Australian timeline. So like,
if I'm doing a Friday diary, we know that has
to come out by like midnight or midday sorry, on
a Thursday here in LA and so that means we
(28:24):
want to record it on a Wednesday. Now, a Friday
diary is meant to be a week wrapper, so you
kind of have to maguy for it a little bit
to kind of like and I would just say, like
stick to consistency because on the odd occasion when for
some reason we haven't got a Friday Diary out exactly
at that time, people will write to me on Instagram
like a U, Okay, where is it? Because they're subscribed
(28:47):
so they know if it like it's part of and
if you're consistent, your podcast will become part of somebody's
lifestyle and be like an habitual thing.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said, driving to work or
the morning. Yeah something. Can I just add like one
more thing to the advice, like be fucking passionate, Like
do it because you want to do it. Don't do
it because you want to sit and be filmed and
have Instagram content. Like, do it because you actually fucking
(29:18):
want to do it. Yeah, you know, interview, have these conversations,
not for your own personal whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Like, well, I think it's been really clear on like
the purpose of the pod, Like why does the pod exist?
Like Felasy failing. Is he to inspire people to go
out and do that thing they love but it may
be a bit scared of That's the whole like em
o of felsly failing. But I think it's been really
clear on why your pod exists and what you can
give back to your audience is opposed to look at me,
(29:48):
I'm fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I think it kind of comes back to even
like not bringing it back to myself, but like music
and whatever, like yeah, you don't do it because you
just want to be famous, like because ninety center it
is shit, the rejection whatever, like you still got it.
You gotta love that part of it, you know. Like
I love podcasting. I don't love the editing all the time,
(30:10):
but I love the process of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And it's fun when an EP comes out and you
get to see it come to life and you get
to see it fly and you get to see what
Like we bought an episode out. We record an episode
recently about our trip to Wyoming, and the funniest thing
that we got so much feedback on that I randomly
the night before research so we shared on that episode
a five day itinery of Yellowstone of Grand Teton. But
(30:33):
then the night before because when we were there and
our lights turned on in the middle of the night,
and so I researched haunted locations all around where we
were and that's what people are writing to me about,
so like, don't be afraid of kind of like going
above and beyond on the research and really like, like
you said, caring about it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I think as well with the research. Thing is, I
do notice a lot of podcasts when they aren't prepared.
They're using a lot of filler words, so a lot
of the arms that like and it's we all do
it to a certain degree, but you do notice it
when someone doesn't know what they're talking about, or they're underprepared,
(31:14):
or they're trying to find the right words. Yeah. And
I would even say you and I have gotten a
lot better at it in general conversation in our podcasts
that we say less likes and arms.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
The feedback my dad, Noel Smith gave to me when
we first launched it was stop saying like enough yeah,
and I was like, oh my god, and I went in,
I think also, you can use fellow words when you're nervous. Yeah,
And I think I think that now we're so comfortable
with podcasting, Like I was more nervous about what I
had to familiar not this this is exciting and fun.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Your dad also told you and stop swearing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
He did I don't swear too much on the pod, don't.
So there you have it. If you've got a dream
for a podcast, go out and do it, but do
it prepared. And I always say, I, you're going to
launch a podcast, have six episodes, episodes in the cans,
so you can do that consistent. Drop on every Monday
or Wednesday or Friday, whatever you want to bring out
pods and then yeah, really kind of like let it.
(32:12):
Let whenever that pod drops, like commit to it, like
pop it on your in stuff, pop it on your TikTok,
pop it on YouTube and YouTube shorts. If you have
a substack, like I release a substack to time in
with my Friday diary, like make it all work together.
I always think that's a really good way as well,
because you're hitting different people have different mediums, Like a
lot of Americans love to watch a pod, a lot
(32:35):
of Australians love to listen to a pod. And then
substack is for people like to read and write, you know,
like hit all your bases because we all you auditory,
your visual, everyone's different. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You're smart. You're so smart.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's very sweet, isn't he? Thank you for jumping on
the pod and how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Your film podcast? You feel fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Thanks for jumping on, Thank you for watching and for listening.
Can you believe the pod is six years old and
eight hundred apps? Holy mackerel. I cannot wait to see
what comes next for the pod and next year pumped.
That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
(33:24):
thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word
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