June 23, 2023 • 30 mins
Dan Schilling & Michael Blue examine Matthew 7 to look into the dangers of "doing" without "being" with Jesus. This is the second episode of a 3-part series. This may free you from the bondage of feeling like you are "not doing enough" for God.
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Dan Schilling (00:07):
Hey, welcome to the Fiji podcast where we help
you hear God's voice, follow hislead and thrive as a disciple.
I'm Dan Schilling. And I'll beone of your guides. Now let's
get into today's topic. Hey,thanks for joining the feed
cheap podcast. Good to be backwith you, my partner in crime.
Michael, good to be with youtoday. Brother. Dan, good to be
with you. Yeah, man, you soundgreat. You sound like you got a
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new mic or something?
Michael Blue (00:32):
I did. I kind of decided if we're gonna keep
doing this, I might as well tryto upgrade technology. So
Dan Schilling (00:38):
yeah. Well, it's a great sound. And glad to be
with you today. And glad thatyou're joining us. Today, we're
going to continue our discussionfrom last time this is part two
of be overdue. Be then do. Andlast time, Michael, you and I
talked about several passages ofScripture. We were looking at
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some of the things that in John15, where we talked about
staying close to him and abidingin him. And just what have been
your thoughts as we kind ofthink back to that time about
that remaining and abiding? Andwhat that meant to you.
Michael Blue (01:22):
Just as I think and contemplate this topic, I
don't think we can overemphasizethe importance of abiding in our
lives. And I think that toooften I've treated it and I
think many people treat it as ifit is a task to be accomplished,
as opposed to a way of life. AndI think that's the biggest, you
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know, shift we need to make inour lives, that abiding isn't a
moment, it's not a thing I doperiodically. It's a lifestyle.
I mean, it certainly encompassesthe things that we would
formally call tasks of abiding,but the abiding, you know, you
don't think of a vine, you know,a fruit tree or event, a vine
getting up and, you know, onlyabiding some time, like, that's
where they're rooted. That'swhere they're sitting. And so I
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think that as we think aboutthriving, we think about
understanding that we're abidingin every moment of our lives and
every day.
Dan Schilling (02:14):
Yeah, how about you? And that's well, and it's
really, you and I talked about,for a couple of times, I was
saying the word mantras, we'regonna take that word out. I was
looking at the definition that Idon't like the definition, just
something about the Word promptme on but it really is, I've
continued to think more aboutit, it is here, follow thrive.
You know, it is more than atagline. But really the term
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really, it's a lifestyle. Andyou just said it, right? It's
not just something that I do.
You know, in the morning, in mydevotion, or on Sunday, when I
go to church, or when I, youknow, have my little
compartmentalised aspects ofGod, but I'm available, I'm
connected, I'm abiding in him, Iwant to be in the presence of
the Holy Spirit, regularly inHis presence is manifesting
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through me and that others cantaste and see the goodness of
who he is because of him and menot because of me, I don't have
anything really other than theflesh to offer others. But when
he's in us, and that fruit, andwe're gonna continue to talk
about that today, and just wantto encourage you all, as you're
joining us on this journey tothrive, that we want to see you
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can hear God's voice, follow hislead, thrive as a disciple, and
it is a journey we might go on.
I will tell you many times aboutourselves and others guests will
have on the show. We don't havethis down, but we are on the
journey. And we want to inviteyou to join us. So Michael, why
don't you pray for us, and thenwe'll get started.
Michael Blue (03:39):
Good. Let's pray.
God, thank you so much, onceagain, for just time, that we
can spend talking about who youare and what it means to follow
follow you and, and how thattruly does result in a promise
of a life that is full of thethings that we long for the
most, that that come from beingin your presence and being
around us. I just pray that wewould be people who longed for
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the right things, who seek theright things and put ourselves
in places where we know that youare so that we can grow more and
more like you. So a baby with ustoday. Jesus name, amen.
Dan Schilling (04:15):
And, well, last time, we had two main points,
and I want to just hit thoseagain, you can go back and catch
the full episode. But just topull those points down. We
talked about two things, youknow, what does a biting look
like? And so we want to know,you know, I can talk about it.
We talked about it remaining orbinding, but what does it
actually look like in our life?
And the second one was, whatdoes producing fruit look like?
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So, we had a couple of thoughtsaround that. Michael, let me
have it. Give you some timehere. Tell us what your thoughts
are again around those two.
Michael Blue (04:50):
Sure, I mean, I think that we kind of hit the
first one a little bit of whatwhat a biting looks like.
Specifically we did talk aboutcertain practices, certain
disciplines that we have, but itis You know, I think of Brother
Lawrence, if you've never heardof Brother Lawrence, and you're
listening, he's has a greatlittle pamphlet, really, if you
call it it's too short to callit a book of practicing the
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presence of God. And it's, it'sabout he was in a monastery,
washing dishes, you know, takingcare of shoes, but he kind of
developed the really a lifestyleof being aware of God's
presence, even in the very, verymundane things of life. So I
would say abiding, is that it'swhere the Holy Spirit does
control our thoughts, our willour action, and we're aware of
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the interaction with him daily.
And then I do think that thatproduces fruit. And I think we
talked about how the fruit isn'tso much of what we do, though,
certainly we see it in what wedo. It's more of the heart
perspective, our visceralsubconscious orientation to the
world as James K. Smith saysthat I love. And so it looks
like Hey, I am reacting to theworld in a way that that Jesus
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would react to the world. And soI think that that producing much
fruit, there's a contentment,there's a peace, there's a joy,
there's a kindness, there's alove. There's also I see things
that are not right. And, youknow, Jesus, Jesus did have an
anger and things like that. So Isee things that are not right.
And it stirs me in a way thatmakes me want to help things
change. And so I think fruitlooks like really a lot of my
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attitudes and natural reactionsto the things around me.
Dan Schilling (06:21):
Yeah, that's so good. I can't even say that line
it you just roll subcon tell memore about that. What does that
actually mean? That game thatfarm boys simple, farmboy terms?
Michael Blue (06:33):
Sure. So James K.
Smith wrote a book called youare what you love. And then he
talks about our hearts. He says,Our hearts are the fulcrum of
our emotions of kind of the seatof our emotions. So when the
Bible when it talks about ourheart, sometimes we think about
that as our emotions, perhapsor, you know, kind of our how we
feel. But really, that term forheart talked a lot more about
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really our guts or our viscera,if you will. And so, it. And if
you think about happiness, ifyou think about sadness, if you
think about joy, those things,you feel them, right, you
literally feel sick to yourstomach, at times you feel
nervous, and your stomach, youknow, butterflies are described
that way, because it's it's alegitimate feeling for what we
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are. So when we talk about ourheart, it's the seat of our
emotions, or, and so when wechange, Hey, make sure your
hearts in the right place. Ithink what, what what mean, what
he means by that are what JamesK. Smith goes out, which I think
is right. It's our visceral, ourinternal subconscious. We don't
even think about orientationtowards the world. So
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subconsciously, viscerally how Iam moved by the world happens in
that movement of my heart. Andso my heart isn't my intentions,
which I think as oftentimes wesay, Hey, make sure your hearts
in the right place. I think whatwe oftentimes mean is make sure
you have the right intentions,which is a part of it, but it's
not all of it. It's really howdo I naturally react to these
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things? Is my heart aligned asmy you know, so I think that's
what it means by our visceral,subconscious orientation to the
world. Yes,
Dan Schilling (08:09):
that's good. It's very good. Well, and as you just
said there a little bit ago,just the, you know, aligned. To
me, these two points, the thingthat really stands out to me
about abiding is been this term,and for me is alignment before
assignment, that before I go offtrying to do things, and there's
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a lot of us in Christendom,we're going to look at a passage
today in Matthew 19, about athat you may have heard him
called the rich young ruler, therich man, the rich fool,
different versions might havetitle it differently. And we're
gonna look at several aspects ofhis journey. And he's telling
Jesus all the things that he wasdoing, or what good things must
I do. And so much of I think, ifall of us are willing to admit
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it, most of our our life andChristian dome has been about
the doing. But the problem is,is the doing and this is not
just a modern day issue. I thinkit was this guy was there and
Jesus didn't he was still tryingto figure out you know, what
good thing must I do to geteternal life. So that alignment
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is so critical before I starttrying to figure out all the
things I can do is really getmyself aligned. And having that
inner part of me really, in myheart connected. And that what
we're gonna talk about today alittle bit about your as we wrap
up today, I mentioned last timethat I was going to share about
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the anxiety attack that I had acouple of weeks ago, I didn't
even realize it was an anxietyattack till later, somebody
said, that was an anxietyattack, like, Oh, I'm not like
I've had too many of those. Butjust what God was showing me,
you know, in that season, andmuch of it had to do about all
the things that need to be doneall the things that needed to
do.
Michael Blue (09:54):
Right, right.
Well, that's a good teaser, Dan.
Yep.
Dan Schilling (10:00):
All right. And so what we're going to do now is go
to two points for today that wereally want to focus on and
encouraging us. So here's thepoint. Number three, I'll see if
I can try some new thing or putit up. Point number three is why
is the gate narrow and only ifyou find it, and we're gonna
look at that passage here injust a moment in Matthew seven,
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but why does Jesus say the gateis narrow, and only a few find
it. And then the fourth pointwe're gonna make, we didn't want
it to last time three and four,this time. Point number four is
how do I move from doing tobeing so how do I move from
doing to being And so today,we're going to again, look at
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Matthew seven, a key verse thatI really want to pull out of
here, we're going to look, verse13, down through 28, or 29. And
what I want to focus on andhighlight here is verse 24. When
he says that anyone who listensto my teaching and follows it is
wise, like a person who builds ahouse on solid rock, and I think
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this is one of those passagesfor me, Michael, that as I was
praying and asking, Lord, whatif you're calling me to feed
sheep, and you're calling me tothis, you know, help this
organization get started and dothe things that you're wanting
it to do than that here, followthrive? That just kept coming?
kept seeing it in Scripture. Andso this is actually one of them
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here. That's going to continueto drive that point even
further. We'll look at that injust a minute. But yeah, all
right. Why don't we? Why don'twe get started if you're ready?
Yeah. All right. So let's lookhere. We're getting started in
again, Matthew seven starting inverse 13.
Michael Blue (11:50):
All right, says this, you can enter God's
kingdom only through the narrowgate. The Highway to Hell is
broad, and its gate is wide forthe many who chose that way. But
the gateway to life is verynarrow, and the road is
difficult, and only a few everfind it. Beware of false
prophets who come disguised asharmless sheep, but are really
vicious wolves. You can identifythem by their fruit that is, by
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the way they act. Can you pickgrapes from thorn bushes, or
figs from thistles? A good treeproduces good fruit and a bad
tree produces bad fruit, a goodtree can't produce bad fruit and
a battery can't produce goodfruit. So every tree that does
not produce good fruit ischopped down and thrown into the
fire. Yes, just as you canidentify a tree by its fruit so
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you can identify people by theiractions.
Dan Schilling (12:38):
Okay, so we're gonna stop there for just a
second. And this is gonna goback up here to verse 13. And
we're gonna again, look at thisquestion about why does Jesus
say that the the gateway to lifeor the gateway to his kingdom is
very narrow. And the road isdifficult, but only few find it.
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And I don't again, believe thisis about the things that we are
doing. And I feel like what he'strying to help set up here, as
we head into this passage ishelping us understand something
that we don't get to go throughthat gate, or find that opening
on our own. Or by the things wedo we actually go through that
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narrow gate with the GoodShepherd. He's the one who
guides us through, we're withhim, he's leading us and as we
submit ourselves, to hisleadership, his lordship, his
guidance over our life as theGood Shepherd, he leads us
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through that path. And so themajority of our life so much has
been about did I do? You know,what do I gotta do to get
through this gate? And I thinkhe goes on, and he'll say this,
you know, but be careful ofthese false prophets. You know,
they, that you can identify themby their fruit. And so he to me
here, he's talking about thereligious leaders of the day,
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you know, in different texts, heactually says, you know, they
tie heavy loads around the necksof the people, trying to get
them to do all the right thingsand their indictment against
Jesus typically was about thethings he didn't do like, you
know, why do you break thetraditions? You know, why don't
you wash your hands? Why don'tyou just like, amen. Don't worry
about cleaning outside of thebowl, you know, start looking at
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what the inside of the bowlneeds to be taken care of, and
then says here as we wrapped upthis in verse 20, you can
identify a tree by its fruit,you can identify people by their
actions, like we're known bywhat comes out from within you
know, like they said, you know,if it's what's down in the
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welcomes up in the bucket. Andso, if if he's abiding in us,
and we're abiding In Him in thatthe Holy Spirit is in us what
should be continually growingand coming out of us is things
that influence like you said acouple of weeks ago on the one
of the episodes about ourthoughts, and, and this process
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of our thinking, it actually isgoing to produce beliefs and
those beliefs produce someactions. So give me your
thoughts.
Michael Blue (15:24):
Yeah. So, you know, as you say that, I think
that the emphasis truly is as weas we think about good and bad
fruit and what's being produced,and, and why I think these
passages can be so hard tounderstand and pull out. And a
lot of is because we really dothink of fruit as what I'm what
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I'm doing. Right. And, but I canfake what I'm doing without the
heart behind it. And I think,you know, this is at the end of
the sermon on the mount. And allthroughout it, Jesus was
chastising the Pharisees,largely the leaders for doing
and not being. Yes, right. Theywere doing plenty. So you know,
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if he says, Well, you can tell,like good fruit, look at it, we
tie it down to the very met andDell, right? This is good fruit.
So I must be a good, goodperson. But if we read in
context, as we encourage peopleto do, the fruit then has to be
what that flows out of what thataction flows out of. Right? And
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so I think that this justcontinues to emphasize that idea
of our rootedness and where thatfruit is flowing, flowing out of
in order to produce, if youwill, good fruit versus bad
fruit. And it comes out of myheart. Yes. So yeah. And so
anyway, so I do think that wejust have to really know that.
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And I think that's what's sohard about this. And we're gonna
get to here in just a second.
Where people are doing a wholelot like they're actually doing
the things that you would say Ishould do, right things that
many of us have never done. Yes.
But Jesus like, no, that's notit. Yes.
Dan Schilling (17:11):
Well, and you're right. And let's get to that,
because this is a, this is apretty significant list. Right?
So this is going to pick up herein verse 21. And again, I think
this is going to reiterate, youknow, why is the gait narrow is
because, again, it isn't aboutme going off and doing
something, it's about me beingsomething and I think this is
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going to continue to drive thatpoint home. So let's look here,
starting in verse 21. Matthewseven again,
Michael Blue (17:41):
says, Not everyone who calls out to me, Lord, Lord
will enter the kingdom ofheaven. Only those who actually
do the will of my Father inheaven will enter. On Judgment
Day, Many will say to me, Lord,Lord, we prophesied in your name
and cast out demons in yourname, and performed many
miracles in your name, but Iwill reply, I never knew you get
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away from me, you who breakGod's laws?
Dan Schilling (18:05):
Yeah, this is gonna be a painful Day. And this
has probably been Michael, forme. Since I've been a follower
of Jesus, probably one of themost troubling passages to read.
And troubling because like, wow,who are these people? They would
appear to me as people who aresaved, who are Jesus followers,
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who are Christians, who arewhatever term you want to use,
right? I mean, I've never beenin a, in a place where
unbelievers and they said, Oh,Lord, Lord, I prophesy, you
know, I cast out demons. I mean,these are things that I don't
even hear followers of Jesustalk about, they've ever been a
part of very rarely, very few.
And, and so who are these peopleis something for years that I've
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been trying to, like, wow, whatdoes that mean? And I don't have
to figure it out. That's not myrole. But you would assume,
based on the texts that arepeople that think that they're
aligned with Jesus, but they'regiving all the things that
they've done. And when he saysat the end here, which is such a
key verse, it he says, but Iwill reply, after the things
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they said that they had done, Iwill reply, I never knew you in
one time. And as I was studyingthat verse, there is that word
to know means like a husband anda wife know each other. Now, not
just in a physical sexual sense,it can be, but it was the
intimacy of we, we know eachother were available to one
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another. We were incommunication with one other, we
were biting, we have become onein our, you know, the
fulfillment of our marriage vowsare becoming one and he's
saying, I never knew you, younever became one with me. So get
away from me. So it's like, wow,this is a
Michael Blue (19:54):
hard passage. As you say that I think of you
know, it's like if you said toyour wife and you're you're in a
conflict and you're like I'mfine. And you know that she
doesn't mean she's fine. Or Idon't mean I'm fine. So the
intimacy there is, oh, no, Iknow that that's not fine. Yes.
And I know that there's work tobe done. But also, I also think
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about what we talked about lasttime. And this idea of sowing
spiritual seeds in the fields ofthe world. And so I think that a
lot of what we see thisPharisees doing, and I think
that when we ask, well, am Idoing this and in the name of
God, and he doesn't, in anyknows me, or am I doing it in my
own name? And, and I know, and,and God says, I don't know you.
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And I think that idea that Ikeep coming to is, where do I
want to receive the reward?
Where do I want to receive thefruit? Do I want to receive the
accolades of my fellow man? Do Iwant to receive, you know, the
attaboys of the world? Or the orthe riches of the world? Or
whatever the world offers? Or amI rooted in knowing that knowing
God and eternity with God, isthe thing that I'm after? And so
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I think that that our, our ideaof I can so spiritual seeds in
the fields of the world, meaningI want the world's accolades in
them, I'm not actually sowingspiritual seeds in the spiritual
world, if you will, there are inthe fields of the Father, which
would result in grace and fruitthat honors him. Yes, so yeah,
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this is a terrifying This is apassage that's really pretty
terrifying when you think aboutwhat they did.
Dan Schilling (21:37):
Yes. I know there's probably not in God's
kingdom a like shelf, like,these are the high good things.
These are okay things, you know,these are all right. And this
was and you know, but thesewould appear if it was on my
thing, I'd say, wow, these likeare top shelf things like yeah,
holy smokes, like prophesied. Imean, if I percent it up, the
number of Christians over mylifetime and conversation have
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had this percentage of those whohave maybe said they
participated in this is, is like1/10 of 1%. You know, like, once
you cast out demons, probablyabout the same percentage, and
the ones who said they didmiracles, probably about the
same percentage. So yeah. Andagain, I don't know that just
what Jesus is thinking. Butmaybe it was that same bar was
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like, Hey, these are really,really, you know, spiritual
things. And he said, No,because, and they one of the
early translations, I startedreading New Living Translation
when it first came out. And oneof the early versions of the New
Living actually said in thispassage here, it said, away from
me, you evildoers, the thingsyou did were unauthorized. And
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they it's not it doesn't readthat way. Now, this is the New
Living Translation. But Iremember reading that thing, oh,
man, like you did them withoutmy authority. You didn't do them
as I that I told you to do, yougot more into the doing
something, as if that was goingto impress somebody, or impress
others impress me like, but I'mnot impressed. Because I was
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never looking for you to dosomething, I was looking for you
to be something and then youknow what would happen, you
would end up doing something.
But the goal wasn't about thedoing, the goal was about the
being and when I am being withhim, there is going to be as
we've said, last time, there'sgoing to be a natural outflow of
the doing. And so I don't wantto mistake your here's an image
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here. Anybody ever say to uslike, well, you guys are, of
course there's things to do.
There is things to do. But it'snot separated from him. It's not
done independent of the being.
It's an outflow of
Michael Blue (23:47):
well, and it moves I think, from our solution to
I'm struggling spiritual to Ibetter go do more things to I
need to take, take a stock ofwho I am becoming, and really
take stock of my relationshipwith God. Yes. Problem is, is
the one going to do is a loteasier to fix. And I can look
more outwardly I can feelbetter. The other one takes
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patience. It takes wrestling, ittakes you know, it takes the
mission. And actually it takesit out of my own hands, right. I
can't. When I come before Himchange myself, I have to rely on
him to do it. And that's, Ithink what we push back against.
Dan Schilling (24:27):
Yeah, well, let's continue here. We'll finish out
this text. Here. Verse 24, downthrough
Michael Blue (24:34):
2020. For anyone who listens to my teaching and
follows it is wise, like aperson who builds a house on
solid rock. Though the raincomes in Torrance and the
floodwaters rise and the windsbeat against that house. It
won't collapse because it isbuilt on bedrock. But anyone who
hears my teaching and doesn'tobey it is foolish, like a
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person who builds a house onsand when the rains and floods
come and the winds beat againstthat house. It will collapse
with a mighty crash. When Jesushad finished setting these
things, the crowds were amazedat His teaching for he taught
with real authority, quiteunlike their teachers of
religious law.
Dan Schilling (25:14):
It's good. And what I want to point out here,
my again, as I looked at verse24, there's two different things
that I see here. One is that andhere follow thrive, anyone who
listens my teaching and followsis wise. You know, so there's
these, if you do these things inthere, this is why this is good
for you. Right? This is, this islike building your house on a
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rock, which to me is like theepitome of Thrive, right? Like
if I'm built on the rock, if I'min Christ, that is what we were
trying to talk about last time.
That's what real thriving lookslike abiding in him is where I
am thriving. So I'm, I'm on therock. So when these things come
around me, when the storms oflife, we all know we have them
when all this stuff's going on,that it's not going to crush me,
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in the midst of great tragedy inthe great midst of great trials
and other things, as we talkedabout here, a couple of episodes
ago about what is thrivinglittle really look like and for
us in the Western world.
Sometimes we think as long asI've got all the money, I've
got, you know, freedom and I gotvacations, and I got, you know,
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all the things that I want.
That's thriving, but we said,you know, was was Jane, Peter
and John thriving when they werebeaten, you know, after they,
the guy was healed, and theywere putting in prison was was
Paul thriving, when he wasshipwrecked, and beaten. And I
was just reading not too longago about you know, when a snake
in there on the island of Malta,and the snake bites into people,
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like, oh, man, judgment came onhim. And then next thing you
know, you know, he's, he liveslike, Oh, he's a god, like, oh,
man, you know, but how many ofus are willing to put ourselves
in a position to have all thesethings come on us, that will
crush us. But that's theinvitation that God's he's not
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that we're gonna have a life ofsuffering, it's that when you
are built on him, it is going tobe the rock. And so when these
things come when you're beatenwhen you're whatever, like,
again, Peter and and John, isthat they sing hymns that night,
right there. They're thriving,because they know they're in a
center of God's will, that thatdidn't shake their faith. But
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then he says, but those who hearso you can still be hearing and
don't obey is foolish. Like whobuilds his house on the sand.
And really what I'm thinking iswhen I'm built on the rock, I
thrive. But when I build on theon sand, it's it really is built
on my flesh. Right, which isgoing to lead to destruction
lead to death. And so when thethings come, and I, you know, I
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can't because I'm not able tobear that weight, I'm not able
to take on that pressure thatcomes when all this stuff comes
on me.
Michael Blue (28:02):
Right? Yeah, I mean, and so it all comes back,
I guess, you know, to thatfoundational. What are we
building all of these things on?
What are we building our livesupon? And, and it's really easy
to build it upon ourselves andsay, Well, I got this,
especially in our culture, it'slike, well, you know, good,
good, old fashioned Americanwork ethic. And so, you know,
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we're kind of almost instilledwith this idea of, I can do it,
I can do it on my own, I canpick myself up by my bootstraps,
and I can make this happen. Yes.
And that's the leads into ourspiritual lives. Even though
Jesus is like, no, no, no, I didit. It's like, well, but I'm
gonna No, no, I did it. Like,it's done. You don't you just
(28:47):
done. Like, well, no, let me letme just put some paint on it.
And it's like, no, no, it'sdone. Like, stop. And so that's,
you know, we can build on thatfoundation that it's done. And
then we're gonna obey and followand let him bear, you know,
produce fruit as he sees fit. Asthe sower of seed and you know,
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that's the place to be.
Dan Schilling (29:13):
A thanks for tuning in. We're gonna break
this episode into two because itwas such a rich discussion. So I
hope you've enjoyed so far whatwe've been discussing out of
Matthew seven, that you'refinding yourself in courage, the
goal of what we're trying toaccomplish here is again, that
you would thrive on your journeyas a disciple. And so as we look
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again, out of these passages inMatthew seven, that were
following Jesus as the guide,that's what I want to encourage
you this. The desire of theMinistry of feed sheep is to
help you follow the GoodShepherd, and he wants to lead
us through that arrow gate. Hewants you to experience a life
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that's built as we look at thispassage on the rock Foundation,
when the things in life areboring. On, you're not keeping
from following him. So, tune innext time. I'll share with you
more about that anxiety, attackand scripture that God gave me.
And so that time and encouragingme on my journey to become a
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beer. And so God bless you.
Thanks for tuning in. See youagain next time.
Hey, welcome to the Fiji podcast where we help
you hear God's voice, follow hislead and thrive as a disciple.
I'm Dan Schilling. And I'll beone of your guides. Now let's
get into today's topic. Hey,thanks for joining the feed
cheap podcast. Good to be backwith you, my partner in crime.
Michael, good to be with youtoday. Brother. Dan, good to be
with you. Yeah, man, you soundgreat. You sound like you got a
(00:30):
new mic or something?
Michael Blue (00:32):
I did. I kind of decided if we're gonna keep
doing this, I might as well tryto upgrade technology. So
Dan Schilling (00:38):
yeah. Well, it's a great sound. And glad to be
with you today. And glad thatyou're joining us. Today, we're
going to continue our discussionfrom last time this is part two
of be overdue. Be then do. Andlast time, Michael, you and I
talked about several passages ofScripture. We were looking at
(01:01):
some of the things that in John15, where we talked about
staying close to him and abidingin him. And just what have been
your thoughts as we kind ofthink back to that time about
that remaining and abiding? Andwhat that meant to you.
Michael Blue (01:22):
Just as I think and contemplate this topic, I
don't think we can overemphasizethe importance of abiding in our
lives. And I think that toooften I've treated it and I
think many people treat it as ifit is a task to be accomplished,
as opposed to a way of life. AndI think that's the biggest, you
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know, shift we need to make inour lives, that abiding isn't a
moment, it's not a thing I doperiodically. It's a lifestyle.
I mean, it certainly encompassesthe things that we would
formally call tasks of abiding,but the abiding, you know, you
don't think of a vine, you know,a fruit tree or event, a vine
getting up and, you know, onlyabiding some time, like, that's
where they're rooted. That'swhere they're sitting. And so I
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think that as we think aboutthriving, we think about
understanding that we're abidingin every moment of our lives and
every day.
Dan Schilling (02:14):
Yeah, how about you? And that's well, and it's
really, you and I talked about,for a couple of times, I was
saying the word mantras, we'regonna take that word out. I was
looking at the definition that Idon't like the definition, just
something about the Word promptme on but it really is, I've
continued to think more aboutit, it is here, follow thrive.
You know, it is more than atagline. But really the term
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really, it's a lifestyle. Andyou just said it, right? It's
not just something that I do.
You know, in the morning, in mydevotion, or on Sunday, when I
go to church, or when I, youknow, have my little
compartmentalised aspects ofGod, but I'm available, I'm
connected, I'm abiding in him, Iwant to be in the presence of
the Holy Spirit, regularly inHis presence is manifesting
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through me and that others cantaste and see the goodness of
who he is because of him and menot because of me, I don't have
anything really other than theflesh to offer others. But when
he's in us, and that fruit, andwe're gonna continue to talk
about that today, and just wantto encourage you all, as you're
joining us on this journey tothrive, that we want to see you
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can hear God's voice, follow hislead, thrive as a disciple, and
it is a journey we might go on.
I will tell you many times aboutourselves and others guests will
have on the show. We don't havethis down, but we are on the
journey. And we want to inviteyou to join us. So Michael, why
don't you pray for us, and thenwe'll get started.
Michael Blue (03:39):
Good. Let's pray.
God, thank you so much, onceagain, for just time, that we
can spend talking about who youare and what it means to follow
follow you and, and how thattruly does result in a promise
of a life that is full of thethings that we long for the
most, that that come from beingin your presence and being
around us. I just pray that wewould be people who longed for
(04:00):
the right things, who seek theright things and put ourselves
in places where we know that youare so that we can grow more and
more like you. So a baby with ustoday. Jesus name, amen.
Dan Schilling (04:15):
And, well, last time, we had two main points,
and I want to just hit thoseagain, you can go back and catch
the full episode. But just topull those points down. We
talked about two things, youknow, what does a biting look
like? And so we want to know,you know, I can talk about it.
We talked about it remaining orbinding, but what does it
actually look like in our life?
And the second one was, whatdoes producing fruit look like?
(04:37):
So, we had a couple of thoughtsaround that. Michael, let me
have it. Give you some timehere. Tell us what your thoughts
are again around those two.
Michael Blue (04:50):
Sure, I mean, I think that we kind of hit the
first one a little bit of whatwhat a biting looks like.
Specifically we did talk aboutcertain practices, certain
disciplines that we have, but itis You know, I think of Brother
Lawrence, if you've never heardof Brother Lawrence, and you're
listening, he's has a greatlittle pamphlet, really, if you
call it it's too short to callit a book of practicing the
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presence of God. And it's, it'sabout he was in a monastery,
washing dishes, you know, takingcare of shoes, but he kind of
developed the really a lifestyleof being aware of God's
presence, even in the very, verymundane things of life. So I
would say abiding, is that it'swhere the Holy Spirit does
control our thoughts, our willour action, and we're aware of
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the interaction with him daily.
And then I do think that thatproduces fruit. And I think we
talked about how the fruit isn'tso much of what we do, though,
certainly we see it in what wedo. It's more of the heart
perspective, our visceralsubconscious orientation to the
world as James K. Smith saysthat I love. And so it looks
like Hey, I am reacting to theworld in a way that that Jesus
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would react to the world. And soI think that that producing much
fruit, there's a contentment,there's a peace, there's a joy,
there's a kindness, there's alove. There's also I see things
that are not right. And, youknow, Jesus, Jesus did have an
anger and things like that. So Isee things that are not right.
And it stirs me in a way thatmakes me want to help things
change. And so I think fruitlooks like really a lot of my
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attitudes and natural reactionsto the things around me.
Dan Schilling (06:21):
Yeah, that's so good. I can't even say that line
it you just roll subcon tell memore about that. What does that
actually mean? That game thatfarm boys simple, farmboy terms?
Michael Blue (06:33):
Sure. So James K.
Smith wrote a book called youare what you love. And then he
talks about our hearts. He says,Our hearts are the fulcrum of
our emotions of kind of the seatof our emotions. So when the
Bible when it talks about ourheart, sometimes we think about
that as our emotions, perhapsor, you know, kind of our how we
feel. But really, that term forheart talked a lot more about
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really our guts or our viscera,if you will. And so, it. And if
you think about happiness, ifyou think about sadness, if you
think about joy, those things,you feel them, right, you
literally feel sick to yourstomach, at times you feel
nervous, and your stomach, youknow, butterflies are described
that way, because it's it's alegitimate feeling for what we
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are. So when we talk about ourheart, it's the seat of our
emotions, or, and so when wechange, Hey, make sure your
hearts in the right place. Ithink what, what what mean, what
he means by that are what JamesK. Smith goes out, which I think
is right. It's our visceral, ourinternal subconscious. We don't
even think about orientationtowards the world. So
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subconsciously, viscerally how Iam moved by the world happens in
that movement of my heart. Andso my heart isn't my intentions,
which I think as oftentimes wesay, Hey, make sure your hearts
in the right place. I think whatwe oftentimes mean is make sure
you have the right intentions,which is a part of it, but it's
not all of it. It's really howdo I naturally react to these
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things? Is my heart aligned asmy you know, so I think that's
what it means by our visceral,subconscious orientation to the
world. Yes,
Dan Schilling (08:09):
that's good. It's very good. Well, and as you just
said there a little bit ago,just the, you know, aligned. To
me, these two points, the thingthat really stands out to me
about abiding is been this term,and for me is alignment before
assignment, that before I go offtrying to do things, and there's
(08:32):
a lot of us in Christendom,we're going to look at a passage
today in Matthew 19, about athat you may have heard him
called the rich young ruler, therich man, the rich fool,
different versions might havetitle it differently. And we're
gonna look at several aspects ofhis journey. And he's telling
Jesus all the things that he wasdoing, or what good things must
I do. And so much of I think, ifall of us are willing to admit
(08:54):
it, most of our our life andChristian dome has been about
the doing. But the problem is,is the doing and this is not
just a modern day issue. I thinkit was this guy was there and
Jesus didn't he was still tryingto figure out you know, what
good thing must I do to geteternal life. So that alignment
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is so critical before I starttrying to figure out all the
things I can do is really getmyself aligned. And having that
inner part of me really, in myheart connected. And that what
we're gonna talk about today alittle bit about your as we wrap
up today, I mentioned last timethat I was going to share about
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the anxiety attack that I had acouple of weeks ago, I didn't
even realize it was an anxietyattack till later, somebody
said, that was an anxietyattack, like, Oh, I'm not like
I've had too many of those. Butjust what God was showing me,
you know, in that season, andmuch of it had to do about all
the things that need to be doneall the things that needed to
do.
Michael Blue (09:54):
Right, right.
Well, that's a good teaser, Dan.
Yep.
Dan Schilling (10:00):
All right. And so what we're going to do now is go
to two points for today that wereally want to focus on and
encouraging us. So here's thepoint. Number three, I'll see if
I can try some new thing or putit up. Point number three is why
is the gate narrow and only ifyou find it, and we're gonna
look at that passage here injust a moment in Matthew seven,
(10:24):
but why does Jesus say the gateis narrow, and only a few find
it. And then the fourth pointwe're gonna make, we didn't want
it to last time three and four,this time. Point number four is
how do I move from doing tobeing so how do I move from
doing to being And so today,we're going to again, look at
(10:45):
Matthew seven, a key verse thatI really want to pull out of
here, we're going to look, verse13, down through 28, or 29. And
what I want to focus on andhighlight here is verse 24. When
he says that anyone who listensto my teaching and follows it is
wise, like a person who builds ahouse on solid rock, and I think
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this is one of those passagesfor me, Michael, that as I was
praying and asking, Lord, whatif you're calling me to feed
sheep, and you're calling me tothis, you know, help this
organization get started and dothe things that you're wanting
it to do than that here, followthrive? That just kept coming?
kept seeing it in Scripture. Andso this is actually one of them
(11:30):
here. That's going to continueto drive that point even
further. We'll look at that injust a minute. But yeah, all
right. Why don't we? Why don'twe get started if you're ready?
Yeah. All right. So let's lookhere. We're getting started in
again, Matthew seven starting inverse 13.
Michael Blue (11:50):
All right, says this, you can enter God's
kingdom only through the narrowgate. The Highway to Hell is
broad, and its gate is wide forthe many who chose that way. But
the gateway to life is verynarrow, and the road is
difficult, and only a few everfind it. Beware of false
prophets who come disguised asharmless sheep, but are really
vicious wolves. You can identifythem by their fruit that is, by
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the way they act. Can you pickgrapes from thorn bushes, or
figs from thistles? A good treeproduces good fruit and a bad
tree produces bad fruit, a goodtree can't produce bad fruit and
a battery can't produce goodfruit. So every tree that does
not produce good fruit ischopped down and thrown into the
fire. Yes, just as you canidentify a tree by its fruit so
(12:35):
you can identify people by theiractions.
Dan Schilling (12:38):
Okay, so we're gonna stop there for just a
second. And this is gonna goback up here to verse 13. And
we're gonna again, look at thisquestion about why does Jesus
say that the the gateway to lifeor the gateway to his kingdom is
very narrow. And the road isdifficult, but only few find it.
(13:04):
And I don't again, believe thisis about the things that we are
doing. And I feel like what he'strying to help set up here, as
we head into this passage ishelping us understand something
that we don't get to go throughthat gate, or find that opening
on our own. Or by the things wedo we actually go through that
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narrow gate with the GoodShepherd. He's the one who
guides us through, we're withhim, he's leading us and as we
submit ourselves, to hisleadership, his lordship, his
guidance over our life as theGood Shepherd, he leads us
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through that path. And so themajority of our life so much has
been about did I do? You know,what do I gotta do to get
through this gate? And I thinkhe goes on, and he'll say this,
you know, but be careful ofthese false prophets. You know,
they, that you can identify themby their fruit. And so he to me
here, he's talking about thereligious leaders of the day,
(14:12):
you know, in different texts, heactually says, you know, they
tie heavy loads around the necksof the people, trying to get
them to do all the right thingsand their indictment against
Jesus typically was about thethings he didn't do like, you
know, why do you break thetraditions? You know, why don't
you wash your hands? Why don'tyou just like, amen. Don't worry
about cleaning outside of thebowl, you know, start looking at
(14:33):
what the inside of the bowlneeds to be taken care of, and
then says here as we wrapped upthis in verse 20, you can
identify a tree by its fruit,you can identify people by their
actions, like we're known bywhat comes out from within you
know, like they said, you know,if it's what's down in the
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welcomes up in the bucket. Andso, if if he's abiding in us,
and we're abiding In Him in thatthe Holy Spirit is in us what
should be continually growingand coming out of us is things
that influence like you said acouple of weeks ago on the one
of the episodes about ourthoughts, and, and this process
(15:15):
of our thinking, it actually isgoing to produce beliefs and
those beliefs produce someactions. So give me your
thoughts.
Michael Blue (15:24):
Yeah. So, you know, as you say that, I think
that the emphasis truly is as weas we think about good and bad
fruit and what's being produced,and, and why I think these
passages can be so hard tounderstand and pull out. And a
lot of is because we really dothink of fruit as what I'm what
(15:47):
I'm doing. Right. And, but I canfake what I'm doing without the
heart behind it. And I think,you know, this is at the end of
the sermon on the mount. And allthroughout it, Jesus was
chastising the Pharisees,largely the leaders for doing
and not being. Yes, right. Theywere doing plenty. So you know,
(16:08):
if he says, Well, you can tell,like good fruit, look at it, we
tie it down to the very met andDell, right? This is good fruit.
So I must be a good, goodperson. But if we read in
context, as we encourage peopleto do, the fruit then has to be
what that flows out of what thataction flows out of. Right? And
(16:30):
so I think that this justcontinues to emphasize that idea
of our rootedness and where thatfruit is flowing, flowing out of
in order to produce, if youwill, good fruit versus bad
fruit. And it comes out of myheart. Yes. So yeah. And so
anyway, so I do think that wejust have to really know that.
(16:51):
And I think that's what's sohard about this. And we're gonna
get to here in just a second.
Where people are doing a wholelot like they're actually doing
the things that you would say Ishould do, right things that
many of us have never done. Yes.
But Jesus like, no, that's notit. Yes.
Dan Schilling (17:11):
Well, and you're right. And let's get to that,
because this is a, this is apretty significant list. Right?
So this is going to pick up herein verse 21. And again, I think
this is going to reiterate, youknow, why is the gait narrow is
because, again, it isn't aboutme going off and doing
something, it's about me beingsomething and I think this is
(17:34):
going to continue to drive thatpoint home. So let's look here,
starting in verse 21. Matthewseven again,
Michael Blue (17:41):
says, Not everyone who calls out to me, Lord, Lord
will enter the kingdom ofheaven. Only those who actually
do the will of my Father inheaven will enter. On Judgment
Day, Many will say to me, Lord,Lord, we prophesied in your name
and cast out demons in yourname, and performed many
miracles in your name, but Iwill reply, I never knew you get
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away from me, you who breakGod's laws?
Dan Schilling (18:05):
Yeah, this is gonna be a painful Day. And this
has probably been Michael, forme. Since I've been a follower
of Jesus, probably one of themost troubling passages to read.
And troubling because like, wow,who are these people? They would
appear to me as people who aresaved, who are Jesus followers,
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who are Christians, who arewhatever term you want to use,
right? I mean, I've never beenin a, in a place where
unbelievers and they said, Oh,Lord, Lord, I prophesy, you
know, I cast out demons. I mean,these are things that I don't
even hear followers of Jesustalk about, they've ever been a
part of very rarely, very few.
And, and so who are these peopleis something for years that I've
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been trying to, like, wow, whatdoes that mean? And I don't have
to figure it out. That's not myrole. But you would assume,
based on the texts that arepeople that think that they're
aligned with Jesus, but they'regiving all the things that
they've done. And when he saysat the end here, which is such a
key verse, it he says, but Iwill reply, after the things
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they said that they had done, Iwill reply, I never knew you in
one time. And as I was studyingthat verse, there is that word
to know means like a husband anda wife know each other. Now, not
just in a physical sexual sense,it can be, but it was the
intimacy of we, we know eachother were available to one
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another. We were incommunication with one other, we
were biting, we have become onein our, you know, the
fulfillment of our marriage vowsare becoming one and he's
saying, I never knew you, younever became one with me. So get
away from me. So it's like, wow,this is a
Michael Blue (19:54):
hard passage. As you say that I think of you
know, it's like if you said toyour wife and you're you're in a
conflict and you're like I'mfine. And you know that she
doesn't mean she's fine. Or Idon't mean I'm fine. So the
intimacy there is, oh, no, Iknow that that's not fine. Yes.
And I know that there's work tobe done. But also, I also think
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about what we talked about lasttime. And this idea of sowing
spiritual seeds in the fields ofthe world. And so I think that a
lot of what we see thisPharisees doing, and I think
that when we ask, well, am Idoing this and in the name of
God, and he doesn't, in anyknows me, or am I doing it in my
own name? And, and I know, and,and God says, I don't know you.
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And I think that idea that Ikeep coming to is, where do I
want to receive the reward?
Where do I want to receive thefruit? Do I want to receive the
accolades of my fellow man? Do Iwant to receive, you know, the
attaboys of the world? Or the orthe riches of the world? Or
whatever the world offers? Or amI rooted in knowing that knowing
God and eternity with God, isthe thing that I'm after? And so
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I think that that our, our ideaof I can so spiritual seeds in
the fields of the world, meaningI want the world's accolades in
them, I'm not actually sowingspiritual seeds in the spiritual
world, if you will, there are inthe fields of the Father, which
would result in grace and fruitthat honors him. Yes, so yeah,
(21:28):
this is a terrifying This is apassage that's really pretty
terrifying when you think aboutwhat they did.
Dan Schilling (21:37):
Yes. I know there's probably not in God's
kingdom a like shelf, like,these are the high good things.
These are okay things, you know,these are all right. And this
was and you know, but thesewould appear if it was on my
thing, I'd say, wow, these likeare top shelf things like yeah,
holy smokes, like prophesied. Imean, if I percent it up, the
number of Christians over mylifetime and conversation have
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had this percentage of those whohave maybe said they
participated in this is, is like1/10 of 1%. You know, like, once
you cast out demons, probablyabout the same percentage, and
the ones who said they didmiracles, probably about the
same percentage. So yeah. Andagain, I don't know that just
what Jesus is thinking. Butmaybe it was that same bar was
(22:21):
like, Hey, these are really,really, you know, spiritual
things. And he said, No,because, and they one of the
early translations, I startedreading New Living Translation
when it first came out. And oneof the early versions of the New
Living actually said in thispassage here, it said, away from
me, you evildoers, the thingsyou did were unauthorized. And
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they it's not it doesn't readthat way. Now, this is the New
Living Translation. But Iremember reading that thing, oh,
man, like you did them withoutmy authority. You didn't do them
as I that I told you to do, yougot more into the doing
something, as if that was goingto impress somebody, or impress
others impress me like, but I'mnot impressed. Because I was
(23:08):
never looking for you to dosomething, I was looking for you
to be something and then youknow what would happen, you
would end up doing something.
But the goal wasn't about thedoing, the goal was about the
being and when I am being withhim, there is going to be as
we've said, last time, there'sgoing to be a natural outflow of
the doing. And so I don't wantto mistake your here's an image
(23:31):
here. Anybody ever say to uslike, well, you guys are, of
course there's things to do.
There is things to do. But it'snot separated from him. It's not
done independent of the being.
It's an outflow of
Michael Blue (23:47):
well, and it moves I think, from our solution to
I'm struggling spiritual to Ibetter go do more things to I
need to take, take a stock ofwho I am becoming, and really
take stock of my relationshipwith God. Yes. Problem is, is
the one going to do is a loteasier to fix. And I can look
more outwardly I can feelbetter. The other one takes
(24:09):
patience. It takes wrestling, ittakes you know, it takes the
mission. And actually it takesit out of my own hands, right. I
can't. When I come before Himchange myself, I have to rely on
him to do it. And that's, Ithink what we push back against.
Dan Schilling (24:27):
Yeah, well, let's continue here. We'll finish out
this text. Here. Verse 24, downthrough
Michael Blue (24:34):
2020. For anyone who listens to my teaching and
follows it is wise, like aperson who builds a house on
solid rock. Though the raincomes in Torrance and the
floodwaters rise and the windsbeat against that house. It
won't collapse because it isbuilt on bedrock. But anyone who
hears my teaching and doesn'tobey it is foolish, like a
(24:54):
person who builds a house onsand when the rains and floods
come and the winds beat againstthat house. It will collapse
with a mighty crash. When Jesushad finished setting these
things, the crowds were amazedat His teaching for he taught
with real authority, quiteunlike their teachers of
religious law.
Dan Schilling (25:14):
It's good. And what I want to point out here,
my again, as I looked at verse24, there's two different things
that I see here. One is that andhere follow thrive, anyone who
listens my teaching and followsis wise. You know, so there's
these, if you do these things inthere, this is why this is good
for you. Right? This is, this islike building your house on a
(25:37):
rock, which to me is like theepitome of Thrive, right? Like
if I'm built on the rock, if I'min Christ, that is what we were
trying to talk about last time.
That's what real thriving lookslike abiding in him is where I
am thriving. So I'm, I'm on therock. So when these things come
around me, when the storms oflife, we all know we have them
when all this stuff's going on,that it's not going to crush me,
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in the midst of great tragedy inthe great midst of great trials
and other things, as we talkedabout here, a couple of episodes
ago about what is thrivinglittle really look like and for
us in the Western world.
Sometimes we think as long asI've got all the money, I've
got, you know, freedom and I gotvacations, and I got, you know,
(26:21):
all the things that I want.
That's thriving, but we said,you know, was was Jane, Peter
and John thriving when they werebeaten, you know, after they,
the guy was healed, and theywere putting in prison was was
Paul thriving, when he wasshipwrecked, and beaten. And I
was just reading not too longago about you know, when a snake
in there on the island of Malta,and the snake bites into people,
(26:43):
like, oh, man, judgment came onhim. And then next thing you
know, you know, he's, he liveslike, Oh, he's a god, like, oh,
man, you know, but how many ofus are willing to put ourselves
in a position to have all thesethings come on us, that will
crush us. But that's theinvitation that God's he's not
(27:06):
that we're gonna have a life ofsuffering, it's that when you
are built on him, it is going tobe the rock. And so when these
things come when you're beatenwhen you're whatever, like,
again, Peter and and John, isthat they sing hymns that night,
right there. They're thriving,because they know they're in a
center of God's will, that thatdidn't shake their faith. But
(27:27):
then he says, but those who hearso you can still be hearing and
don't obey is foolish. Like whobuilds his house on the sand.
And really what I'm thinking iswhen I'm built on the rock, I
thrive. But when I build on theon sand, it's it really is built
on my flesh. Right, which isgoing to lead to destruction
lead to death. And so when thethings come, and I, you know, I
(27:51):
can't because I'm not able tobear that weight, I'm not able
to take on that pressure thatcomes when all this stuff comes
on me.
Michael Blue (28:02):
Right? Yeah, I mean, and so it all comes back,
I guess, you know, to thatfoundational. What are we
building all of these things on?
What are we building our livesupon? And, and it's really easy
to build it upon ourselves andsay, Well, I got this,
especially in our culture, it'slike, well, you know, good,
good, old fashioned Americanwork ethic. And so, you know,
(28:22):
we're kind of almost instilledwith this idea of, I can do it,
I can do it on my own, I canpick myself up by my bootstraps,
and I can make this happen. Yes.
And that's the leads into ourspiritual lives. Even though
Jesus is like, no, no, no, I didit. It's like, well, but I'm
gonna No, no, I did it. Like,it's done. You don't you just
(28:47):
done. Like, well, no, let me letme just put some paint on it.
And it's like, no, no, it'sdone. Like, stop. And so that's,
you know, we can build on thatfoundation that it's done. And
then we're gonna obey and followand let him bear, you know,
produce fruit as he sees fit. Asthe sower of seed and you know,
(29:11):
that's the place to be.
Dan Schilling (29:13):
A thanks for tuning in. We're gonna break
this episode into two because itwas such a rich discussion. So I
hope you've enjoyed so far whatwe've been discussing out of
Matthew seven, that you'refinding yourself in courage, the
goal of what we're trying toaccomplish here is again, that
you would thrive on your journeyas a disciple. And so as we look
(29:33):
again, out of these passages inMatthew seven, that were
following Jesus as the guide,that's what I want to encourage
you this. The desire of theMinistry of feed sheep is to
help you follow the GoodShepherd, and he wants to lead
us through that arrow gate. Hewants you to experience a life
(29:54):
that's built as we look at thispassage on the rock Foundation,
when the things in life areboring. On, you're not keeping
from following him. So, tune innext time. I'll share with you
more about that anxiety, attackand scripture that God gave me.
And so that time and encouragingme on my journey to become a
(30:15):
beer. And so God bless you.
Thanks for tuning in. See youagain next time.
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