July 7, 2023 • 33 mins
Special guest Pastor Andy Searles joins the FeedSheep Podcast to contrast the "you have heard it said" and the "but I tell you" statements of Jesus in Matthew 5. This 3-part series may free you from generational bondage that is keeping you from thriving. #ThriveinChrist
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Dan Schilling (00:07):
Hey, welcome to the FeedSheep podcast where we
help you hear God's voice,follow his lead and thrive as a
disciple. I'm Dan Schilling, andI'll be one of your guides. Now
let's get into today's topictoday. Here in the studio, I
have a good friend, Pastor AndySearles, who joined me as our
first guest here live face toface in the feed sheep studio.
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This was a powerful discussion,we had some challenges just to
get this one recorded. But Ibelieve it's gonna be a great
encouragement for you. So Iwould encourage you as you're on
this journey to hear, follow andthrive. This may be an episode
just for you today. Hey, welcometo the FeedSheep podcast. Thanks
for tuning in. Today we have aspecial episode because today we
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are in studio, shooting thefirst episode. And if you've
ever worked with technology, youwill know that there are many
challenges. So we're on liketake number 72. Like that's
right, Dave.
Thanks for tuning in. We have agreat episode. And I do have to
say I believe there's somethingspecial that God wants to
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communicate today. Because Ithink the reason why we've had
some challenges we actually gotstarted, we got the first like
15 to 20 minutes in and believeit was better, which is moving
in that time. And so you don'twant to leave today. I feel like
God has something special foryou. Okay, so don't only watch
it live, give us a little bitlonger before you take off
someone else, go to the nextvideo on YouTube or the next
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podcast.
Because today what we want to dois what we try every episode to
do, and that is to help you hearGod's voice, follow his lead,
and thrive as a disciple. Andtoday what we're gonna get into,
I believe is gonna help peoplethrive. And so I have one good
friend Andy Jordan here firsttime in the studio. Give us a
little about Andy and yourself.
Andy Searles (01:52):
Yeah, Dan, it's great to Great to be here. My
name is Andy Searles, I pastor achurch in Casselberry church
together just northeast ofOrlando, we want to bring people
together into a relationshipwith Christ into relationship
with each other. And we lovekind of serving the different
aspects of our community andbringing them together as well.
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Together is a key theme of mylife. And so I'm really glad
that
Dan Schilling (02:17):
we're getting to do this together. Yeah, I love
doing it together because it isa different field and do it on
the other side of the camera onthere. So no offense, Michael, I
love doing a camera with you.
But I love doing it right herein person. So today, we're gonna
get in to a topic that we'vebeen talking about here, the
last couple episodes about a B,versus do. And we talked a
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little bit ago about thatparadox of what, what is Jesus
really looking for us? And he's,he's not looking for anything
from us. Like he doesn't need usto do anything but what we've
been talking about in theseother podcasts. In the episodes,
we've said, Well, what he'slooking for us is to be with him
abide. We were looking at John15. And about abiding and
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remaining him, we said, whatdoes that look like? Well, when
we're with him, and we spendtime with him, after we've been
with him, then the do comes. Butwe've talked about in Matthew
seven about the people who cameand said, Hey, Lord, give me
prophesy, cast out demons domiracles, these are pretty
important things. And but hesays away from me, you
evildoers. I never knew youmeaning you did these things. I
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was telling a friend that we hadlunch with I read have a New
Living Translation, typically,and one of the first versions of
new living it actually there inthat context that Matthew 722.
And those verses around said,away from me, you evildoers of
things you did were onauthorized? Wow, you? Yeah, you
didn't have the authority. Andthese are pretty important
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things. But they went and didsomething like you did it before
you had been with me. And sowhat we're going to look at
today, I believe, continues onthis thinking in this theme of
being with him and what he wantsfor us in the being, not just to
do so.
Andy Searles (04:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think part of be doingthings that are unauthorized,
what a powerful word that is, ismaking sure that we are
listening to the voice of asavior. Yes. And so we're going
to talk today about that momentthat I know you've experienced,
and I know our viewers haveexperienced too, when something
happens, and you just say, Wait,why? Because it just kind of
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messes with your mind, right?
You've heard your kids do it.
You've experienced it, where yougo into some situation expecting
one thing and something elsehappens and the shock and
sometimes the trauma of thatjust causes us to go, Wait, why,
what what just happened? Ithought we were going in this
direction. But you say thatdirection. And I think a big
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part of following Jesus issaying no, I'm not going to go
in the direction of the world.
But I am going to go in thedirection of you. So this idea
of changing lanes of readjustingor recalibrating expectations,
yes. was birthed in me recently,as I've been studying the
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beatitudes in Matthew chapterfive and the Sermon on the
Mount. And I love those words,because they are so
countercultural, you know, wehave this cultural argument,
let's keep the 10 commandmentsand our buildings and I'm like,
let's put the Beatitudes. Yes.
Because that's how Jesus told ushow to live. So as we look at
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the Sermon on the Mount, Iimagine that Jesus is standing
there, he's doing his teaching.
There's probably a lot of verypious people there with their
religious checklists ready to
Dan Schilling (05:52):
use that I've done? Yeah.
Andy Searles (05:53):
And Jesus starts teaching. And he shares this
magnificent manifesto, aboutwhat it means to live in him.
And the people are listening andgetting ready to say, Yep, I'm,
I'm good with you, right God.
And then I heard Jesus speak.
And then like, wait, what? Whatdid he just say? Yes. And if we
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want to live a life authorizedby the Spirit, yes. Then we have
to listen to what Jesus said.
Yes. You mentioned the be in doparadox. Yes. There is another
paradox in the Sermon on theMount Matthew five to seven. And
it's a little bit different. Andyou've probably read it 1000
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times. But it didn't dawn on me.
I mean, I am a little slowerthan the average bear until
recently is paradox. The paradoxis, Jesus says, You have heard
it said, Yes. And then on theother side, he says, But I tell
you, You have heard it said, butI tell you, and if we're to
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follow Christ, and were to besheep who listened to his voice,
we are people who need to be onthe, but I tell you, side of the
coin. And the problem is we livein a world that is so
egocentric. That is so egodriven, that we want to stand
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there and say I'm right. Andthis is what I've heard, yes, as
if we're the voice of authority.
But to that selfishness to thategocentric life. Jesus says
that's not what it means tofollow me. To follow me means to
not trust what you've heard. Butto listen to what I've said, is
we hear that our responses.
Dan Schilling (07:48):
Wait, wait, wow.
Well, shout out to my son, Josh,who has been saying that for a
long time. And
Andy Searles (07:56):
wait, what do you want me to do? Why are
Dan Schilling (07:58):
you saying, but what Jesus was doing, and what
he heard this guy teaching nottoo long ago, and he said that
repentance wasn't just not sin,it was turning changing the way
you think. And I know Michaeltalked about this episode here,
when we're talking about is thatit was that changing our
thinking. And so I believe whathe's doing here, and in this
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paradox, really turning thingslike, wait, what, like, you just
turned this thing in a way thatI've never seen it. And now
you're you're giving me a viewof something that I I haven't
seen it that way, you'veactually changed the game. And
not enough. Like he's messingwith us changing the rules. But
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he, he brought it to anotherawareness. And let's go into
that, because this is this iswhere we really started figuring
out what is it going to looklike for me today? If I really
want to hear His voice andfollow and thrive? What do I
need?
Andy Searles (08:53):
Jesus changes where the goalposts are on
expectations. And I think you'reright. I never really thought
about that, then. But as we lookat these, you have heard, but I
tell you statements that youhave heard are all actions,
they're all things we do, butthe you have herds are about who
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we are, and about what's goingon inside of us. Right? Because
anything we do, really is anexpression of who we are inside.
And so it's so important. Yeah,right. Now we let Jesus shape
our inside life.
Dan Schilling (09:27):
Yes. Because out of the heart, the abundance of
the mouth speaks but also right.
Brain things. Yeah. And so yeah,he's changing the way we think.
So that the things that we do,are not a reflection of of the
sin nature, but start to be areflection of Him, His Spirit in
us so yeah,
Andy Searles (09:48):
so what we'd like to do over the next couple of
episodes is look at some ofthese. You have heard. But I
tell you statements of Jesus andjust kind of dig around a little
bit and ask The Holy Spirit todo his work in our lives. And
Dan and I have prayed. And wepray that as we open the
Scriptures, that God would openour hearts to and shape this,
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this inner life as he fills oursoul. So then you want to jump
into a few of these. You'veheard it says, yes,
Dan Schilling (10:16):
absolutely. Well.
And as I was looking at thesepassages before we got here
thinking about how much in theearly part of this Matthew five
text he's talking about blessingare, are blessed are those and
different versions in poor inthe spirit of mourn, meek,
Merciful. And as I wasprocessing through this, we
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talked about this a little bitago, but that humility is what
I've been studying that there'sthree things we've talked about.
Andy Searles (10:48):
I'm so glad you've been studying. Because I wanted
Dan Schilling (10:51):
everybody around me like I'm finally this guy,
looking at something he's
Andy Searles (10:57):
gotten his goodness with all that tech
problems, give us a lesson.
Dan Schilling (11:01):
So the three things that we talked about here
about we want to help you here,follow thrive. And the three
things we talked about it again,in a previous episode is that I
think there's three things thatare keeping us from hearing
God's voice, pride, money, andinfidelity. We're going to get a
couple of these right heretoday. But when I'm not willing
to listen, when like, I'mholding on to what I've heard,
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like, Hey, I think it's thisway. And we talked a little bit
ago that the majority of mylife, I've used the PIV version
of the Scripture, Scripture, theperforated II version, because
if I don't like it, I just tearit out. Because I felt like God
was prompting My heart just acouple of weeks ago about this,
but then my word is not alacarte. You don't get to just
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pick and choose whatever youwant. Sometimes you you got to
eat the brussel sprouts, right?
I want the pizza. I want to goto the buffet. My word isn't ala
carte, you don't get to choose,pick and choose what you like
and don't like what you want tobuy and don't obey. And so
today, these are some scripturesthat really, they're hard. And I
can't take this as ala carte saywell, that. No, I'm not
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interested in that.
Andy Searles (12:09):
Yeah. Well, and they're hard. Because they're
all of us to write. Again, theYou have heard that statement.
So let's check the box thingsthat we tried to do. We can
check them and say, No, I'm goodon that. But when Jesus gets to
the heart, right, our heart isbroken and sinful. And we're all
in the same boat. Right? We'reall sinners in need of a Savior.
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We're all desperately in need ofgrace. And I think there's
teaching of Jesus. And again, Ican't emphasize how foundational
this was to everything thatJesus did and how we live. It
all points us to the humblelife. Right? Where we're not.
And he is, yes. Where our ego isbeing shrunk, where we are
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becoming nothing as he isbecoming more.
Dan Schilling (12:57):
Yes. Alright, so let's go. You want to tear him
up? Yeah. Verse 21. And let'stalk about these. Wait, what
moments?
Andy Searles (13:06):
So the first way, what moment? Matthew 521. You
have heard? It said to ourancestors, right? That's the you
have heard, do not murder. Andwhoever murderers will be
subject to judgment. And we hearthat and we say, That's right.
Yeah. Anyone who murders theyneed to be judged. Right? Yeah.
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And anyone who murders men,they're in trouble, because
there's no place for that. Andit's civil society. And we stand
there with our little religiouschecklists, and check the box
and see Yeah, good. You know, Ihaven't murdered anyone. If
you've murdered anyone to nottoday. That's good, because
we're in a tight room. Probablyis, right. So we say, yeah,
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we'll check the box. And Jesussays, Well, hang on a sec, let
me move these goalposts. let'sreframe it. Let me recalibrate
your expectations. Yes, you haveheard it said Do not murder, or
you'll be subject to judgment.
But I tell you, everyone who isangry with his brother or sister
will be subject to judgment. Yousee the same punishment. Murder
is judged. Good. I'm calling onthat. People will get angry.
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They'll be judged to Yes. Wait,wow. But all of a sudden, I've
moved from innocent to guilty.
All of a sudden, I've been kindof searching for my eraser to
rub out that checkmark becauseI'm not who I think I was. You
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have heard it said Do notmurder. But I say to you do not
get angry. That's some heavystuff. That's a wait a moment
for us.
Dan Schilling (14:47):
Well, I would say when I allow the Holy Spirit to
really speak to me in this area.
And I say men have i have i If Iturn someone down today with my
word, my thoughts toward thembeen of life, or were they of
death that I think, hey, youknow, that's not fair they
shouldn't or they did. And yet,when we look at this, it's like,
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okay, so I'm guilty. Yeah, I'vemurdered. Yeah, we're gonna
touch another one here in just asecond. Oh, I guess I'm guilty
of that one, too. Yeah. But he'sraising the bar. And not again,
because I'm gonna make the rulesand make it tough on you.
Because sometimes we get anaccent Well, I'm good. I haven't
literally killed anybody. Butaccording to standard I have.
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And so what that's doing isseparating me from intimacy and
fellowship with God. Absolutely.
And so what he's trying to dois, this is not a heavy burden
that he's trying to lay on us.
He, he's desiring for us to haveintimacy he's designed for us to
hear his voice work closely withhim. But he knows there's things
like this that are keeping usfrom entering into that
Andy Searles (15:55):
place. And he goes a little bit further, whoever
insults his brother or sisterwill be subject to the court
write me and I hate to admit it,and I try my best to honor
people. That's been some insultin my heart that very easily
gets thrown at people. And hegoes further, whoever says You
fool, will be subject tohellfire. Right? I mean, I, the
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only reason I can't remember,the last time I called someone a
fool was because they got a badmemory. It was probably on the
way over here, right? As someonekind of swerved in my way, when
I was driving, we are so quickto write people off with insults
and dismissing them as fools andholding anger against them. And
as we look at that, and we saywhat's, what's the difference
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between calling someone forinsulting someone anger or
murder? The only difference isthe degree. Right? Yeah, because
calling someone a fool, andbeing anger is on the same track
as murder. How does that work? Ithink I think it's about writing
people off. Right? Because whenyou think about it, murdering
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someone is the ultimate act ofwriting someone off. You have
hurt me. I don't want you in mylife. In fact, I don't want you
on this planet. And we'velearned that Jesus says,
attitude starts as we writepeople off, because we're angry
with them all because we want toinsult them, or because we think
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they're a fault. They're allways that we write people off.
And so if we're on that trackof, of calling people false, and
the word is more or less, whichis where we get the word moron
from, right, yeah. Right. Andshe's a, you moron, right? You
idiot, right? Or we insult or weanger. It's on the same track as
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murder. And I think one of thethings Jesus is saying he jump
Traxion, right, because becauseanger rates people are for
murder, writes people off. AndJesus says, Hey, as those who
have been loved, your job is notto write people off. Your job is
to love and to care. And to seethe value in people and to
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affirm people's worth, becausethat's someone that I made in my
image and I died for Yes, Ithink the first Wait one moment,
is that Jesus is saying, you'reon this track. And you may think
it's kind of rosy, but it's not.
Yes. But I say to young tracks,don't hate, love, don't write
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off, invite, I do some work inthe professional sports field.
And one of the things that wasjust so ugly, to me there is how
often people are treated ascommodities, right, you're only
as good as your last cake,you're only as good as your last
game or your stats. If you don'tmatch up, you're treated, or
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your contracts cut or somethinglike that. And it's like we're
treating people as a commodity.
So I don't want you in my life.
And Jesus is that's not how itworks with with people who
value.
Dan Schilling (19:22):
Well, you know, you and I were talking about
this a little bit ago and abouthow, how many relationships have
ended. Because we've, you'redead to me, you talked about
earlier, and just when we havethat attitude, you're You're
dead to me. I don't value youany longer. We are again
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diminishing what God values, youknow, the thing that he values
the most. And so I just want togo back to this because this is
about where we lost connectionbefore but there's some of you I
believe right now, what you'retalking about is probably the
touching on the heart, you know,there's some relationships,
there's places, people, familymembers that you've, you've cast
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off, you've essentially said,they're dead to me. And the
Spirit of God wants to bringrestoration wants to bring
healing to those relationshipsright now. And so I just want to
encourage you don't Don't, don'tallow pride don't allow these
things to say, I don't thinkit's a problem. Because if the
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Holy Spirit's tapping, pushingon that part of your heart and
saying, This is a problem, and Iwant to bring restoration, I
want to bring healing, notbecause so he doesn't have to,
you have to stand before Him andbe accused of guilty on
Judgement Day of how you killed,you know, murdered, but that
it's the relationships that weresevered, are creating that pain.
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And for some of you, this isgenerational. I mean, you've
been going through unforgivenessand bitterness, murder for
generations of murderers, maybeagain, not physically, but
figuratively, what Jesus wouldsay is, I have a long line of
murder in a
Andy Searles (21:11):
way that we jump tracks from that murder hate
track. To the value and lovetrack, is by forgiveness. Yeah.
Right. And again, forgiveness.
And we might get into that alittle bit later. It's one of
those tough things. And it's oneof those humbling things. Yes,
we've been forgiven. And we'vebeen forgiven infinitely more by
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God, than the depths of the waythat people who have wronged us
so if God can forgive us, yes,we've got no excuse as to why we
can't forgive others. It's hard.
It's tough. Did I get it? Yes.
But the wait, what moment isthat Jesus is saying, hey,
Dan Schilling (21:55):
when people have grace, yes, yes. Love
forgiveness. Well, and it's noteasy. You know, as we've talked
earlier, it may be simple. Like,okay, it's not a real hard
mission. Don't. Don't don't hatepeople. Yeah. But it's not easy.
And why it's not easy is becausein our flesh, we can read the
Spirit of God imparting to us,the Holy Spirit. Tap, it says,
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Okay, it's time to, it's time toget off flat track, it's time to
move on to something so that youcan grow closer to me and
intimacy with Me. Because allthese things that we're gonna
look at, were always about hisheart for us and fellowship with
Him and things that are keepingus from it. So I keep going
digger, you want to you want tomove on? No, absolutely.
Andy Searles (22:38):
Let's let's let's do another one. Okay, I think
we've kind of looked into thatone, right. Yeah. So WaitWhat.
Number one, you've heard it saiddon't murder. But I tell you
don't get angry. Next one. Wesee. And this is also a tricky
one. A few verses later, inverse 27. You've heard it said,
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There it goes again. Do you notcommit adultery? And we say
that's a good one. Yeah, that'sa really important one. And in
the day and age that we live in.
Absolutely. More violence ever.
But because the family has beenattacked and, and pulled apart
on so many levels. And I've seenin my ministry is nothing that
destroys the foundation offamily like adultery. And so we
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say do not commit adultery. Wesay yeah, that's a good thing.
Yes, yeah. Adultery is bad. Sonot doing it is good. And
there's probably a lot of veryreligious people who can say,
Okay, let me get my pen out andcheck that box. But then Jesus
says, Let me let me let me takeit to the next level here. But I
tell you, I tell you, everyonewho looks at a woman lustfully
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has already committed adultery.
Dan Schilling (23:50):
Wait, what
Andy Searles (23:52):
is hot? Well, you can imagine some of the men and
some of the women there, right?
That jaw was dropping. Yeah.
Right? Because they're like the,If your right eye causes you to
sin, gouge it out and throw itaway for it's better to lose one
part of your body than for yourwhole body to be thrown into
hell. So heavy, heavy teaching.
Yes. Right? Yes. And again.
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Adultery is a track that startson lust, right? And we say, oh,
yeah, Adultery is wrong. Youknow, we see that we affirm
that. It's a little bit harderto talk about. Lust is wrong.
Right? Because the reality isnot only we all murderers, but
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we're all adulterous, too. Yes,I Jesus's definition. And so
what does it mean to to lust?
What's the root of that? And Ithink it goes back to what you
were talking about earlier, Dan,when you said it's, it's about
pride versus humility, right?
Because love sir I want Yes, Icrave eye control. Right. And so
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when we want to be in chargewhen we want to feed ego, yes,
lust is one expression of that.
Right? Yeah.
Dan Schilling (25:15):
Yeah, I have thought about it last night.
It's so true. We talked a littlebit of that ago about Andrew
Murray's quote from his book,humility, which is, you know,
humility isn't thinking ofyourself less, it's thinking of
yourself less. And if I repeatthat, it's not thinking of,
you're less of yourself, it'sthinking of yourself less. And
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so one of the things that I seethis is in relationships, and
I've got we got some family nearto us who have gone through, you
know, that, that tear down ofthe family breakdown of
relationship over unforgiveness,bitterness, resentment, right,
which probably has a root incontrol and ego and pride,
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right, in its essence, it's soI, I believe this as I continue
to look at this topic aroundhumility, that, that if two
people walking in Christcentered, Holy Spirit imparted
humility, not not falsehumility, but that genuine
authentic, Christ centered, HolySpirit and part of humility that
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two people walking in that Idon't believe to be able to
realize that they can't getalong. Because they're not
thinking. And then the otheraspect of this I had thought
about is really, then my I'm notlusting for something, right, or
someone else.
Andy Searles (26:35):
I want, I want I deserve I need me, me, me,
Dan Schilling (26:38):
me, me. And so it's funny because we talk about
in our culture today about thenarcissist narcissism epidemic.
But like, there's a part of melike women, we're all
narcissistic, self centered,we're all selfish. That is the
sin nature to lust. But he saidhe steps up the game, and it
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isn't just what you did. It'swhat you think murder is no
longer just what you do. It'swhat's going on up here. And
it's not just about the doing,it's what is going on in the
being.
Andy Searles (27:12):
So then you're exactly right. We're talking
about lust and how that isrooted in, ultimately,
selfishness. Right? And so whatdo we do about that? Again, the
same as murder and anger, Ithink we try to embrace a life
of humility, that loves thosethat God loves the most, which
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is people. Yes, I was in Cuba afew weeks ago, on a mission trip
with a few friends and fourguys. And we were walking back
to our hotel. And, you know, ashappens quite a lot in that
bustling city where we werepeople just trying to get your
attention, come, come to myrestaurant, you know, that kind
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of stuff. And so you kind oflearned to ignore that. But we
got into a conversation with aguy who was there with a lady
and he was very friendly. As wewalked, and you know, we we
don't even lose. Shawn, I wonderif that noise is something else?
Is that a reminder of something?
Oh, I tell you what it is? Isyour battery low?
Dan Schilling (28:24):
Okay. It shouldn't be going down like
that. So it's something
Andy Searles (28:29):
that's probably right. That's the issue. Why
that'd be a battery alert.
Dan Schilling (28:36):
I don't know what that is. But
Andy Searles (28:41):
we'll come on recording.
Dan Schilling (28:44):
That's just the speaker shouldn't miss the
audio. I think we're comingback. So yeah, Cuba, want to
start there from a town? Or doyou want to just go to the guy?
Andy Searles (29:00):
This is gymnastics from him right? Now. All right,
let me just so you're exactlyright. Last is ultimately built
from ego, right? I want I want Iwant and again, we start to
commoditize people. So again,the solution is to start to, to
value people. I was in Cuba afew weeks ago on a mission trip
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with four guys was four of us.
We were walking back to ourhotel one night and in the big
city, I was kind of trying toget your attention come to my
restaurant, let me change yourmoney, give you a Wi Fi card,
all that kind of stuff. Andwe're like, no, no, no. But
there's one guy and the lady whothought was his wife started to
walk with us. And so we kind ofengaged in where you're from,
you know, you're a little bitcoy because we know we've
watched and all that kind ofstuff. And so we have a little
(29:47):
conversation and it's all verynice and very pleasant. And the
guy says Are you married? And myfriend says yeah, married and
you know shoulders ring and likeI said is your wife with you and
Cuba And he says, no, no, no,she's she's home in America. And
the guy says, so you're notmarried tonight that, would you?
Would you like this girl? Andwe're like, first of all, wait,
(30:10):
why? Right? But then we quicklysaid no and dismissed ourselves.
But our hearts sang. Right?
Because he was this, this ladyright made in the image of God
deeply valued by her HeavenlyFather, who was positioned as an
(30:34):
object of what's an hour wewept, because she's special, yet
she's thrown away her around, orbeen made to and, and that's
another conversation. And Ithink one of the ways that we
need to change our insideopinion and thinking about loss
(30:57):
is to start to add value tothose that become the object
Dan Schilling (31:01):
of our loss. Yes, yes. Well, you and I know that
the sin nature is not excludingany of us. And you've been in
ministry a long time, you'vewitnessed families and people.
We both witnessed plenty ofleaders and pastors who succumb
(31:23):
to these areas. Yeah. Pride,money, infidelity. And how many
of these things again, arekeeping us from experiencing
what God wants for us, which is,I want you to love I want you to
value I don't want to see youlooking at someone like a steak
(31:44):
on a rack. But how can you be?
We're talking earlier about thehands and feet of me? How can
you be that one that's going toimpart love and goodness. So
we're gonna have a part two,elite easy remapping more in
part two, but we're gonna leavethat part two, I want to thank
you for tuning in. And so as wewrap up, there's a couple things
(32:04):
I want to just encourage you tobe thinking about is, if you're
a WaitWhat person, if that'spart of your vernacular, is to
spend some time your momentshere, if you will, just some
time with the Holy Spirit andsay, Wait, what God, is there
something you want from me inthis today? Is there areas is it
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relationships, family members,things that I've been doing?
That's keeping me fromfellowship with you, keeping me
from hearing your voice, orkeeping me from following you?
Because I believe he wants toencourage you, especially in
this areas that we talked abouttoday, that it's murdered, not
just what we do, it's what wethink what's going on here. And
(32:47):
he wants to change that thinkingthat adultery is not just what
we do. It's it's what we thinkit's what's going on here and
how it's impacting not just you,but the people who are around
you that God wants you to loveand serve and care for. So I
want to encourage you to tuneback in next time and thanks for
number one here part one of ourtech
Andy Searles (33:11):
I can't believe you had a murder. Adultery show
on the show. Do I know thelisteners are going wait, why?
Wait, what?
Dan Schilling (33:19):
Right here.
Thanks for tuning in today. Godbless show. We'll see you again
next time.
Hey, welcome to the FeedSheep podcast where we
help you hear God's voice,follow his lead and thrive as a
disciple. I'm Dan Schilling, andI'll be one of your guides. Now
let's get into today's topictoday. Here in the studio, I
have a good friend, Pastor AndySearles, who joined me as our
first guest here live face toface in the feed sheep studio.
(00:27):
This was a powerful discussion,we had some challenges just to
get this one recorded. But Ibelieve it's gonna be a great
encouragement for you. So Iwould encourage you as you're on
this journey to hear, follow andthrive. This may be an episode
just for you today. Hey, welcometo the FeedSheep podcast. Thanks
for tuning in. Today we have aspecial episode because today we
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are in studio, shooting thefirst episode. And if you've
ever worked with technology, youwill know that there are many
challenges. So we're on liketake number 72. Like that's
right, Dave.
Thanks for tuning in. We have agreat episode. And I do have to
say I believe there's somethingspecial that God wants to
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communicate today. Because Ithink the reason why we've had
some challenges we actually gotstarted, we got the first like
15 to 20 minutes in and believeit was better, which is moving
in that time. And so you don'twant to leave today. I feel like
God has something special foryou. Okay, so don't only watch
it live, give us a little bitlonger before you take off
someone else, go to the nextvideo on YouTube or the next
(01:32):
podcast.
Because today what we want to dois what we try every episode to
do, and that is to help you hearGod's voice, follow his lead,
and thrive as a disciple. Andtoday what we're gonna get into,
I believe is gonna help peoplethrive. And so I have one good
friend Andy Jordan here firsttime in the studio. Give us a
little about Andy and yourself.
Andy Searles (01:52):
Yeah, Dan, it's great to Great to be here. My
name is Andy Searles, I pastor achurch in Casselberry church
together just northeast ofOrlando, we want to bring people
together into a relationshipwith Christ into relationship
with each other. And we lovekind of serving the different
aspects of our community andbringing them together as well.
(02:12):
Together is a key theme of mylife. And so I'm really glad
that
Dan Schilling (02:17):
we're getting to do this together. Yeah, I love
doing it together because it isa different field and do it on
the other side of the camera onthere. So no offense, Michael, I
love doing a camera with you.
But I love doing it right herein person. So today, we're gonna
get in to a topic that we'vebeen talking about here, the
last couple episodes about a B,versus do. And we talked a
(02:38):
little bit ago about thatparadox of what, what is Jesus
really looking for us? And he's,he's not looking for anything
from us. Like he doesn't need usto do anything but what we've
been talking about in theseother podcasts. In the episodes,
we've said, Well, what he'slooking for us is to be with him
abide. We were looking at John15. And about abiding and
(02:58):
remaining him, we said, whatdoes that look like? Well, when
we're with him, and we spendtime with him, after we've been
with him, then the do comes. Butwe've talked about in Matthew
seven about the people who cameand said, Hey, Lord, give me
prophesy, cast out demons domiracles, these are pretty
important things. And but hesays away from me, you
evildoers. I never knew youmeaning you did these things. I
(03:21):
was telling a friend that we hadlunch with I read have a New
Living Translation, typically,and one of the first versions of
new living it actually there inthat context that Matthew 722.
And those verses around said,away from me, you evildoers of
things you did were onauthorized? Wow, you? Yeah, you
didn't have the authority. Andthese are pretty important
(03:44):
things. But they went and didsomething like you did it before
you had been with me. And sowhat we're going to look at
today, I believe, continues onthis thinking in this theme of
being with him and what he wantsfor us in the being, not just to
do so.
Andy Searles (04:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think part of be doingthings that are unauthorized,
what a powerful word that is, ismaking sure that we are
listening to the voice of asavior. Yes. And so we're going
to talk today about that momentthat I know you've experienced,
and I know our viewers haveexperienced too, when something
happens, and you just say, Wait,why? Because it just kind of
(04:26):
messes with your mind, right?
You've heard your kids do it.
You've experienced it, where yougo into some situation expecting
one thing and something elsehappens and the shock and
sometimes the trauma of thatjust causes us to go, Wait, why,
what what just happened? Ithought we were going in this
direction. But you say thatdirection. And I think a big
(04:50):
part of following Jesus issaying no, I'm not going to go
in the direction of the world.
But I am going to go in thedirection of you. So this idea
of changing lanes of readjustingor recalibrating expectations,
yes. was birthed in me recently,as I've been studying the
(05:15):
beatitudes in Matthew chapterfive and the Sermon on the
Mount. And I love those words,because they are so
countercultural, you know, wehave this cultural argument,
let's keep the 10 commandmentsand our buildings and I'm like,
let's put the Beatitudes. Yes.
Because that's how Jesus told ushow to live. So as we look at
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the Sermon on the Mount, Iimagine that Jesus is standing
there, he's doing his teaching.
There's probably a lot of verypious people there with their
religious checklists ready to
Dan Schilling (05:52):
use that I've done? Yeah.
Andy Searles (05:53):
And Jesus starts teaching. And he shares this
magnificent manifesto, aboutwhat it means to live in him.
And the people are listening andgetting ready to say, Yep, I'm,
I'm good with you, right God.
And then I heard Jesus speak.
And then like, wait, what? Whatdid he just say? Yes. And if we
(06:19):
want to live a life authorizedby the Spirit, yes. Then we have
to listen to what Jesus said.
Yes. You mentioned the be in doparadox. Yes. There is another
paradox in the Sermon on theMount Matthew five to seven. And
it's a little bit different. Andyou've probably read it 1000
(06:39):
times. But it didn't dawn on me.
I mean, I am a little slowerthan the average bear until
recently is paradox. The paradoxis, Jesus says, You have heard
it said, Yes. And then on theother side, he says, But I tell
you, You have heard it said, butI tell you, and if we're to
(07:02):
follow Christ, and were to besheep who listened to his voice,
we are people who need to be onthe, but I tell you, side of the
coin. And the problem is we livein a world that is so
egocentric. That is so egodriven, that we want to stand
(07:23):
there and say I'm right. Andthis is what I've heard, yes, as
if we're the voice of authority.
But to that selfishness to thategocentric life. Jesus says
that's not what it means tofollow me. To follow me means to
not trust what you've heard. Butto listen to what I've said, is
we hear that our responses.
Dan Schilling (07:48):
Wait, wait, wow.
Well, shout out to my son, Josh,who has been saying that for a
long time. And
Andy Searles (07:56):
wait, what do you want me to do? Why are
Dan Schilling (07:58):
you saying, but what Jesus was doing, and what
he heard this guy teaching nottoo long ago, and he said that
repentance wasn't just not sin,it was turning changing the way
you think. And I know Michaeltalked about this episode here,
when we're talking about is thatit was that changing our
thinking. And so I believe whathe's doing here, and in this
(08:18):
paradox, really turning thingslike, wait, what, like, you just
turned this thing in a way thatI've never seen it. And now
you're you're giving me a viewof something that I I haven't
seen it that way, you'veactually changed the game. And
not enough. Like he's messingwith us changing the rules. But
(08:39):
he, he brought it to anotherawareness. And let's go into
that, because this is this iswhere we really started figuring
out what is it going to looklike for me today? If I really
want to hear His voice andfollow and thrive? What do I
need?
Andy Searles (08:53):
Jesus changes where the goalposts are on
expectations. And I think you'reright. I never really thought
about that, then. But as we lookat these, you have heard, but I
tell you statements that youhave heard are all actions,
they're all things we do, butthe you have herds are about who
(09:13):
we are, and about what's goingon inside of us. Right? Because
anything we do, really is anexpression of who we are inside.
And so it's so important. Yeah,right. Now we let Jesus shape
our inside life.
Dan Schilling (09:27):
Yes. Because out of the heart, the abundance of
the mouth speaks but also right.
Brain things. Yeah. And so yeah,he's changing the way we think.
So that the things that we do,are not a reflection of of the
sin nature, but start to be areflection of Him, His Spirit in
us so yeah,
Andy Searles (09:48):
so what we'd like to do over the next couple of
episodes is look at some ofthese. You have heard. But I
tell you statements of Jesus andjust kind of dig around a little
bit and ask The Holy Spirit todo his work in our lives. And
Dan and I have prayed. And wepray that as we open the
Scriptures, that God would openour hearts to and shape this,
(10:11):
this inner life as he fills oursoul. So then you want to jump
into a few of these. You'veheard it says, yes,
Dan Schilling (10:16):
absolutely. Well.
And as I was looking at thesepassages before we got here
thinking about how much in theearly part of this Matthew five
text he's talking about blessingare, are blessed are those and
different versions in poor inthe spirit of mourn, meek,
Merciful. And as I wasprocessing through this, we
(10:41):
talked about this a little bitago, but that humility is what
I've been studying that there'sthree things we've talked about.
Andy Searles (10:48):
I'm so glad you've been studying. Because I wanted
Dan Schilling (10:51):
everybody around me like I'm finally this guy,
looking at something he's
Andy Searles (10:57):
gotten his goodness with all that tech
problems, give us a lesson.
Dan Schilling (11:01):
So the three things that we talked about here
about we want to help you here,follow thrive. And the three
things we talked about it again,in a previous episode is that I
think there's three things thatare keeping us from hearing
God's voice, pride, money, andinfidelity. We're going to get a
couple of these right heretoday. But when I'm not willing
to listen, when like, I'mholding on to what I've heard,
(11:23):
like, Hey, I think it's thisway. And we talked a little bit
ago that the majority of mylife, I've used the PIV version
of the Scripture, Scripture, theperforated II version, because
if I don't like it, I just tearit out. Because I felt like God
was prompting My heart just acouple of weeks ago about this,
but then my word is not alacarte. You don't get to just
(11:45):
pick and choose whatever youwant. Sometimes you you got to
eat the brussel sprouts, right?
I want the pizza. I want to goto the buffet. My word isn't ala
carte, you don't get to choose,pick and choose what you like
and don't like what you want tobuy and don't obey. And so
today, these are some scripturesthat really, they're hard. And I
can't take this as ala carte saywell, that. No, I'm not
(12:06):
interested in that.
Andy Searles (12:09):
Yeah. Well, and they're hard. Because they're
all of us to write. Again, theYou have heard that statement.
So let's check the box thingsthat we tried to do. We can
check them and say, No, I'm goodon that. But when Jesus gets to
the heart, right, our heart isbroken and sinful. And we're all
in the same boat. Right? We'reall sinners in need of a Savior.
(12:30):
We're all desperately in need ofgrace. And I think there's
teaching of Jesus. And again, Ican't emphasize how foundational
this was to everything thatJesus did and how we live. It
all points us to the humblelife. Right? Where we're not.
And he is, yes. Where our ego isbeing shrunk, where we are
(12:55):
becoming nothing as he isbecoming more.
Dan Schilling (12:57):
Yes. Alright, so let's go. You want to tear him
up? Yeah. Verse 21. And let'stalk about these. Wait, what
moments?
Andy Searles (13:06):
So the first way, what moment? Matthew 521. You
have heard? It said to ourancestors, right? That's the you
have heard, do not murder. Andwhoever murderers will be
subject to judgment. And we hearthat and we say, That's right.
Yeah. Anyone who murders theyneed to be judged. Right? Yeah.
(13:28):
And anyone who murders men,they're in trouble, because
there's no place for that. Andit's civil society. And we stand
there with our little religiouschecklists, and check the box
and see Yeah, good. You know, Ihaven't murdered anyone. If
you've murdered anyone to nottoday. That's good, because
we're in a tight room. Probablyis, right. So we say, yeah,
(13:48):
we'll check the box. And Jesussays, Well, hang on a sec, let
me move these goalposts. let'sreframe it. Let me recalibrate
your expectations. Yes, you haveheard it said Do not murder, or
you'll be subject to judgment.
But I tell you, everyone who isangry with his brother or sister
will be subject to judgment. Yousee the same punishment. Murder
is judged. Good. I'm calling onthat. People will get angry.
(14:12):
They'll be judged to Yes. Wait,wow. But all of a sudden, I've
moved from innocent to guilty.
All of a sudden, I've been kindof searching for my eraser to
rub out that checkmark becauseI'm not who I think I was. You
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have heard it said Do notmurder. But I say to you do not
get angry. That's some heavystuff. That's a wait a moment
for us.
Dan Schilling (14:47):
Well, I would say when I allow the Holy Spirit to
really speak to me in this area.
And I say men have i have i If Iturn someone down today with my
word, my thoughts toward thembeen of life, or were they of
death that I think, hey, youknow, that's not fair they
shouldn't or they did. And yet,when we look at this, it's like,
(15:11):
okay, so I'm guilty. Yeah, I'vemurdered. Yeah, we're gonna
touch another one here in just asecond. Oh, I guess I'm guilty
of that one, too. Yeah. But he'sraising the bar. And not again,
because I'm gonna make the rulesand make it tough on you.
Because sometimes we get anaccent Well, I'm good. I haven't
literally killed anybody. Butaccording to standard I have.
(15:34):
And so what that's doing isseparating me from intimacy and
fellowship with God. Absolutely.
And so what he's trying to dois, this is not a heavy burden
that he's trying to lay on us.
He, he's desiring for us to haveintimacy he's designed for us to
hear his voice work closely withhim. But he knows there's things
like this that are keeping usfrom entering into that
Andy Searles (15:55):
place. And he goes a little bit further, whoever
insults his brother or sisterwill be subject to the court
write me and I hate to admit it,and I try my best to honor
people. That's been some insultin my heart that very easily
gets thrown at people. And hegoes further, whoever says You
fool, will be subject tohellfire. Right? I mean, I, the
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only reason I can't remember,the last time I called someone a
fool was because they got a badmemory. It was probably on the
way over here, right? As someonekind of swerved in my way, when
I was driving, we are so quickto write people off with insults
and dismissing them as fools andholding anger against them. And
as we look at that, and we saywhat's, what's the difference
(16:42):
between calling someone forinsulting someone anger or
murder? The only difference isthe degree. Right? Yeah, because
calling someone a fool, andbeing anger is on the same track
as murder. How does that work? Ithink I think it's about writing
people off. Right? Because whenyou think about it, murdering
(17:06):
someone is the ultimate act ofwriting someone off. You have
hurt me. I don't want you in mylife. In fact, I don't want you
on this planet. And we'velearned that Jesus says,
attitude starts as we writepeople off, because we're angry
with them all because we want toinsult them, or because we think
(17:32):
they're a fault. They're allways that we write people off.
And so if we're on that trackof, of calling people false, and
the word is more or less, whichis where we get the word moron
from, right, yeah. Right. Andshe's a, you moron, right? You
idiot, right? Or we insult or weanger. It's on the same track as
(17:55):
murder. And I think one of thethings Jesus is saying he jump
Traxion, right, because becauseanger rates people are for
murder, writes people off. AndJesus says, Hey, as those who
have been loved, your job is notto write people off. Your job is
to love and to care. And to seethe value in people and to
(18:19):
affirm people's worth, becausethat's someone that I made in my
image and I died for Yes, Ithink the first Wait one moment,
is that Jesus is saying, you'reon this track. And you may think
it's kind of rosy, but it's not.
Yes. But I say to young tracks,don't hate, love, don't write
(18:43):
off, invite, I do some work inthe professional sports field.
And one of the things that wasjust so ugly, to me there is how
often people are treated ascommodities, right, you're only
as good as your last cake,you're only as good as your last
game or your stats. If you don'tmatch up, you're treated, or
(19:06):
your contracts cut or somethinglike that. And it's like we're
treating people as a commodity.
So I don't want you in my life.
And Jesus is that's not how itworks with with people who
value.
Dan Schilling (19:22):
Well, you know, you and I were talking about
this a little bit ago and abouthow, how many relationships have
ended. Because we've, you'redead to me, you talked about
earlier, and just when we havethat attitude, you're You're
dead to me. I don't value youany longer. We are again
(19:45):
diminishing what God values, youknow, the thing that he values
the most. And so I just want togo back to this because this is
about where we lost connectionbefore but there's some of you I
believe right now, what you'retalking about is probably the
touching on the heart, you know,there's some relationships,
there's places, people, familymembers that you've, you've cast
(20:07):
off, you've essentially said,they're dead to me. And the
Spirit of God wants to bringrestoration wants to bring
healing to those relationshipsright now. And so I just want to
encourage you don't Don't, don'tallow pride don't allow these
things to say, I don't thinkit's a problem. Because if the
(20:30):
Holy Spirit's tapping, pushingon that part of your heart and
saying, This is a problem, and Iwant to bring restoration, I
want to bring healing, notbecause so he doesn't have to,
you have to stand before Him andbe accused of guilty on
Judgement Day of how you killed,you know, murdered, but that
it's the relationships that weresevered, are creating that pain.
(20:54):
And for some of you, this isgenerational. I mean, you've
been going through unforgivenessand bitterness, murder for
generations of murderers, maybeagain, not physically, but
figuratively, what Jesus wouldsay is, I have a long line of
murder in a
Andy Searles (21:11):
way that we jump tracks from that murder hate
track. To the value and lovetrack, is by forgiveness. Yeah.
Right. And again, forgiveness.
And we might get into that alittle bit later. It's one of
those tough things. And it's oneof those humbling things. Yes,
we've been forgiven. And we'vebeen forgiven infinitely more by
(21:31):
God, than the depths of the waythat people who have wronged us
so if God can forgive us, yes,we've got no excuse as to why we
can't forgive others. It's hard.
It's tough. Did I get it? Yes.
But the wait, what moment isthat Jesus is saying, hey,
Dan Schilling (21:55):
when people have grace, yes, yes. Love
forgiveness. Well, and it's noteasy. You know, as we've talked
earlier, it may be simple. Like,okay, it's not a real hard
mission. Don't. Don't don't hatepeople. Yeah. But it's not easy.
And why it's not easy is becausein our flesh, we can read the
Spirit of God imparting to us,the Holy Spirit. Tap, it says,
(22:18):
Okay, it's time to, it's time toget off flat track, it's time to
move on to something so that youcan grow closer to me and
intimacy with Me. Because allthese things that we're gonna
look at, were always about hisheart for us and fellowship with
Him and things that are keepingus from it. So I keep going
digger, you want to you want tomove on? No, absolutely.
Andy Searles (22:38):
Let's let's let's do another one. Okay, I think
we've kind of looked into thatone, right. Yeah. So WaitWhat.
Number one, you've heard it saiddon't murder. But I tell you
don't get angry. Next one. Wesee. And this is also a tricky
one. A few verses later, inverse 27. You've heard it said,
(22:58):
There it goes again. Do you notcommit adultery? And we say
that's a good one. Yeah, that'sa really important one. And in
the day and age that we live in.
Absolutely. More violence ever.
But because the family has beenattacked and, and pulled apart
on so many levels. And I've seenin my ministry is nothing that
destroys the foundation offamily like adultery. And so we
(23:22):
say do not commit adultery. Wesay yeah, that's a good thing.
Yes, yeah. Adultery is bad. Sonot doing it is good. And
there's probably a lot of veryreligious people who can say,
Okay, let me get my pen out andcheck that box. But then Jesus
says, Let me let me let me takeit to the next level here. But I
tell you, I tell you, everyonewho looks at a woman lustfully
(23:48):
has already committed adultery.
Dan Schilling (23:50):
Wait, what
Andy Searles (23:52):
is hot? Well, you can imagine some of the men and
some of the women there, right?
That jaw was dropping. Yeah.
Right? Because they're like the,If your right eye causes you to
sin, gouge it out and throw itaway for it's better to lose one
part of your body than for yourwhole body to be thrown into
hell. So heavy, heavy teaching.
Yes. Right? Yes. And again.
(24:18):
Adultery is a track that startson lust, right? And we say, oh,
yeah, Adultery is wrong. Youknow, we see that we affirm
that. It's a little bit harderto talk about. Lust is wrong.
Right? Because the reality isnot only we all murderers, but
(24:38):
we're all adulterous, too. Yes,I Jesus's definition. And so
what does it mean to to lust?
What's the root of that? And Ithink it goes back to what you
were talking about earlier, Dan,when you said it's, it's about
pride versus humility, right?
Because love sir I want Yes, Icrave eye control. Right. And so
(25:07):
when we want to be in chargewhen we want to feed ego, yes,
lust is one expression of that.
Right? Yeah.
Dan Schilling (25:15):
Yeah, I have thought about it last night.
It's so true. We talked a littlebit of that ago about Andrew
Murray's quote from his book,humility, which is, you know,
humility isn't thinking ofyourself less, it's thinking of
yourself less. And if I repeatthat, it's not thinking of,
you're less of yourself, it'sthinking of yourself less. And
(25:37):
so one of the things that I seethis is in relationships, and
I've got we got some family nearto us who have gone through, you
know, that, that tear down ofthe family breakdown of
relationship over unforgiveness,bitterness, resentment, right,
which probably has a root incontrol and ego and pride,
(26:00):
right, in its essence, it's soI, I believe this as I continue
to look at this topic aroundhumility, that, that if two
people walking in Christcentered, Holy Spirit imparted
humility, not not falsehumility, but that genuine
authentic, Christ centered, HolySpirit and part of humility that
(26:20):
two people walking in that Idon't believe to be able to
realize that they can't getalong. Because they're not
thinking. And then the otheraspect of this I had thought
about is really, then my I'm notlusting for something, right, or
someone else.
Andy Searles (26:35):
I want, I want I deserve I need me, me, me,
Dan Schilling (26:38):
me, me. And so it's funny because we talk about
in our culture today about thenarcissist narcissism epidemic.
But like, there's a part of melike women, we're all
narcissistic, self centered,we're all selfish. That is the
sin nature to lust. But he saidhe steps up the game, and it
(27:00):
isn't just what you did. It'swhat you think murder is no
longer just what you do. It'swhat's going on up here. And
it's not just about the doing,it's what is going on in the
being.
Andy Searles (27:12):
So then you're exactly right. We're talking
about lust and how that isrooted in, ultimately,
selfishness. Right? And so whatdo we do about that? Again, the
same as murder and anger, Ithink we try to embrace a life
of humility, that loves thosethat God loves the most, which
(27:33):
is people. Yes, I was in Cuba afew weeks ago, on a mission trip
with a few friends and fourguys. And we were walking back
to our hotel. And, you know, ashappens quite a lot in that
bustling city where we werepeople just trying to get your
attention, come, come to myrestaurant, you know, that kind
(27:57):
of stuff. And so you kind oflearned to ignore that. But we
got into a conversation with aguy who was there with a lady
and he was very friendly. As wewalked, and you know, we we
don't even lose. Shawn, I wonderif that noise is something else?
Is that a reminder of something?
Oh, I tell you what it is? Isyour battery low?
Dan Schilling (28:24):
Okay. It shouldn't be going down like
that. So it's something
Andy Searles (28:29):
that's probably right. That's the issue. Why
that'd be a battery alert.
Dan Schilling (28:36):
I don't know what that is. But
Andy Searles (28:41):
we'll come on recording.
Dan Schilling (28:44):
That's just the speaker shouldn't miss the
audio. I think we're comingback. So yeah, Cuba, want to
start there from a town? Or doyou want to just go to the guy?
Andy Searles (29:00):
This is gymnastics from him right? Now. All right,
let me just so you're exactlyright. Last is ultimately built
from ego, right? I want I want Iwant and again, we start to
commoditize people. So again,the solution is to start to, to
value people. I was in Cuba afew weeks ago on a mission trip
(29:25):
with four guys was four of us.
We were walking back to ourhotel one night and in the big
city, I was kind of trying toget your attention come to my
restaurant, let me change yourmoney, give you a Wi Fi card,
all that kind of stuff. Andwe're like, no, no, no. But
there's one guy and the lady whothought was his wife started to
walk with us. And so we kind ofengaged in where you're from,
you know, you're a little bitcoy because we know we've
watched and all that kind ofstuff. And so we have a little
(29:47):
conversation and it's all verynice and very pleasant. And the
guy says Are you married? And myfriend says yeah, married and
you know shoulders ring and likeI said is your wife with you and
Cuba And he says, no, no, no,she's she's home in America. And
the guy says, so you're notmarried tonight that, would you?
Would you like this girl? Andwe're like, first of all, wait,
(30:10):
why? Right? But then we quicklysaid no and dismissed ourselves.
But our hearts sang. Right?
Because he was this, this ladyright made in the image of God
deeply valued by her HeavenlyFather, who was positioned as an
(30:34):
object of what's an hour wewept, because she's special, yet
she's thrown away her around, orbeen made to and, and that's
another conversation. And Ithink one of the ways that we
need to change our insideopinion and thinking about loss
(30:57):
is to start to add value tothose that become the object
Dan Schilling (31:01):
of our loss. Yes, yes. Well, you and I know that
the sin nature is not excludingany of us. And you've been in
ministry a long time, you'vewitnessed families and people.
We both witnessed plenty ofleaders and pastors who succumb
(31:23):
to these areas. Yeah. Pride,money, infidelity. And how many
of these things again, arekeeping us from experiencing
what God wants for us, which is,I want you to love I want you to
value I don't want to see youlooking at someone like a steak
(31:44):
on a rack. But how can you be?
We're talking earlier about thehands and feet of me? How can
you be that one that's going toimpart love and goodness. So
we're gonna have a part two,elite easy remapping more in
part two, but we're gonna leavethat part two, I want to thank
you for tuning in. And so as wewrap up, there's a couple things
(32:04):
I want to just encourage you tobe thinking about is, if you're
a WaitWhat person, if that'spart of your vernacular, is to
spend some time your momentshere, if you will, just some
time with the Holy Spirit andsay, Wait, what God, is there
something you want from me inthis today? Is there areas is it
(32:26):
relationships, family members,things that I've been doing?
That's keeping me fromfellowship with you, keeping me
from hearing your voice, orkeeping me from following you?
Because I believe he wants toencourage you, especially in
this areas that we talked abouttoday, that it's murdered, not
just what we do, it's what wethink what's going on here. And
(32:47):
he wants to change that thinkingthat adultery is not just what
we do. It's it's what we thinkit's what's going on here and
how it's impacting not just you,but the people who are around
you that God wants you to loveand serve and care for. So I
want to encourage you to tuneback in next time and thanks for
number one here part one of ourtech
Andy Searles (33:11):
I can't believe you had a murder. Adultery show
on the show. Do I know thelisteners are going wait, why?
Wait, what?
Dan Schilling (33:19):
Right here.
Thanks for tuning in today. Godbless show. We'll see you again
next time.
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