August 18, 2025 • 68 mins
Get ready for some web-slinging talk on this episode of Femsplaining! Join your hosts Rae and Jenna as they dive deep into the world of everyone's favorite neighborhood superhero, Spider-Man. They're breaking down his journey through the Marvel Cinematic Universe, ranking their favorite versions of Spider-Man, and asking the real question: how can Peter Parker afford an apartment in NYC?
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(00:09):
Hi everybody. Welcome back to our second
episode of Fenceplaining. Yay.
I mean, I don't think we properly introduced ourselves in
Episode 1, which is on brand. Because we just assumed that we
were already friends. So I didn't think that we needed
to introduce ourselves, but we can.
(00:30):
We're friends to everyone. Is is like or just like I, I, I
like to think that this is just kind of like AI saw you at like
a table and you started talking about like a nerd thing.
And I just sat down. You don't know who I am.
I didn't say what my name was. And I just started saying like
really off the wall shit. That's kind of.
(00:51):
And then you walk away and no one ever knows who you are.
Literally, literally, like I do that all the time.
Like I just hear people like saying something about Star Wars
or Marvel and I'm just like, Oh yeah, like XYZ thing.
And then they're just like, yeah, XYZ thing and was like,
yeah, XYZ thing. And then I walk away.
That's. So epic, I love it.
(01:12):
It's like, did she even really exist in the race?
Been dead for 35 years. Everything is an illusion.
Well anyway, I guess if we should do proper introductions.
I'm Jenna. I am obviously Co host.
I don't know. I'm Jenna.
(01:33):
I don't know what I'm just, I'm just Jenna.
I don't know what to say about myself.
Introducing each other like we're a fucking.
A. A meeting?
Yeah. I'm Jenna.
I don't like to be called Jen. Please never call me Jen or
Jenny though. You're not a Jenny either.
Oh my God, that's a hate crime. I hate it.
If some, like when I was younger, when I was in like
(01:56):
elementary school or something, if somebody would call me Jen, I
would correct them like nicely. I'd be like, no, it's Jenna.
And then like, it became a thingwhere they'd be like, no, it's
Jenna. And I'm like teenage, not teens,
preteens. No, my name is Jenna.
It's not Jennifer. It's not Jen.
It's Jenna. Like on your birth certificate.
That is Jenna. It is Jenna, yes.
(02:17):
So that's me. The the the name rants.
That's so real. I'm Ray, just just Ray just
being in in Star wars fashion ofhow that how that should have
ended. But that's a rant for another
time. Yeah, I also have name trauma.
(02:39):
So you're also just going by a nickname because this is easier
than everything else. Will you ever get my real name?
Probably not, right? Probably not, But.
If you subscribe to our Patreon,we don't have a We don't have a
Patreon. Yet, yet, yet.
(02:59):
If you subscribe to the Patreon,you get Ray's real name.
And then you just get disappointed because it
literally is just right. It's the only the only thing we
ever put on Patreon. That's it.
But that that's all that it is like it, it legitimately is just
right. I do we introduce like what we
(03:23):
kind of do on the Internet, likeI guess we could do that too.
I. Yeah, this is like such a casual
thing that I'm not used to. Like I, I talked about this,
actually we didn't release the full, we didn't release the
Snyder Cut of our of our of our Snyder Cut, no release the
(03:43):
Snyder Cut. Of our first talk, I here's The
thing is that like I've had someone like who I know who has
listened to the podcast and likeactually enjoyed it, which was
really nice feedback to get to get.
Like they were asking like, hey,are we ever gonna get like that
episode that you guys originallyrecorded or just like, probably
not. If you subscribe to our Patreon.
(04:09):
Exactly, Exactly. Yeah, we recorded, we did record
an episode. Just the purpose was originally
just to kind of have social media clips to hype up what was
coming up. But I realize in that in that
recording, we introduced ourselves as if it was like our
first episode and then. Did we introduce ourselves?
I don't think that we introducedourselves on that either.
(04:31):
Like I don't think that we did. We again, we just assumed.
I just assumed that you know me like I I go about the world like
I'm already famous. Because she is because she well,
I guess, I guess we could, we could give a little a second
episode introduction. I amawriteriwrite@comicbook.com.
(04:55):
I write about movies and TV is one of my sectors.
Comics and anime is another one.I also do another podcast called
Portion of a Fangirl. And the thing about that podcast
is I'm just kind of like the interviewer, I'm the moderator.
So this is like a total shift for me because like for 3 1/2
years I've been the one kind of like behind the camera with like
(05:18):
the paper asking questions and not being able to talk about
like things that like I like, which is the point of an
interview podcast, obviously. But yeah, you can, you can find
my stuff, my writing. Just Google my name and you'll
find, find some of my writing. I'm sure I'll bring it up
sometime because actually an article I just wrote that's not
(05:40):
out yet coincides with today's topic that we're going to get
into. Which actually, like after you
posed that question from your article, I got to thinking, I'm
just like, actually, yeah, she'skind of right.
Like, right. Like in the Grants.
I genuinely do think that you'reright, Jenna.
Like I that's like such a good article.
Like, this isn't even me. Just like being like, yeah, go
(06:02):
read Jenna. 'S article blah blah blah.
She's like, no, like it's actually like a very compelling
like idea. It is.
It is. So yeah, like Jenna is legit.
She does all of her hot takes onall of her articles and they're
really like well informed and interesting and you guys should
go read them. Especially her Star Wars ones.
We love her Star Wars ones. She's always rambling about our
(06:23):
favorite rebels. So please go go read her stuff,
guys. We love to.
I mean, if we hold on, if we want, if we want to prove
myself, Ezra and Kanan, dad and son anyway, dad and son, dad and
son. For for our listener only crowd,
(06:47):
which is like, I'm, I don't knowwhy you're doing that.
We're also on YouTube. So there also are like visual
cues here. So Jenna also just held up
Hurricane and Ezra legacy lightsabers.
So that's what that like little brief pause was.
So maybe we should go watch YouTube, just saying, but like
(07:09):
like both actually. So you can like listen to it
first and then you can get the visual references.
Or if you'd like, although I I do agree with Ray, but Spotify
also has video so you can wait. List us on Spotify.
Yes you can. Wow.
So she's fancy with it. Yes.
So you can find us. You should listen to us on every
(07:30):
single platform, everywhere, just all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just yeah. Now let's pass it over to Ray,
who is the best person ever and I love you.
I love you too. I don't have nearly as much
credibility as Jenna does. Our content and presence on the
(07:53):
Internet is drastically different.
I am a fashion and cosplay content creator.
I have kind of Ebdon flowed through the Internet in multiple
capacities, mainly as a cosplayer.
I am currently mainly having my focus as fashion as I get older,
(08:15):
leaning into Disney, bounding costuming through television,
film and all of the like. Kind of having that discussion
of what is in an outfit and kindof how costuming and colour
blocking and all of these thingskind of translate and speak as a
(08:41):
character. As well as talking about things
like the importance of thriftingand the problem of
overconsumption and all of the likes.
So I am very much a fashion and visual content creator if you're
interested in stuff like that. And I have a habit of hyper
fixation. So it's a lot of nerdy related
(09:02):
content of our dear boys of StarWars, Marvel, DC, all of that
like and kind of like leaning into those flags of nerddom.
Yeah, and, and I, as somebody who knows nothing about fashion
and literally I work from home and can typically be found in
(09:26):
leggings and AT shirt. I look at Ray's stuff and I'm
always so impressed because it'snot just necessarily like
cosplay, like Ray doesn't, it's not cosplay.
It's like, like you said, the essence of a character.
It's what pieces kind of represent this character.
Like, you know, going back to last week when we talked about
(09:46):
the metallic coat, Sue Storm's metallic coat that you're going
to, you got to get your hands on.
Yes, I'm going to. Yes, if you didn't listen to
last week's episode, we did talkabout Fantastic Four First Steps
and Sue Storm's Metallic coat. That's all we talked about.
It's not all we talked about. I wish.
It was all we talked about, just.
(10:06):
As a code for an hour? For an hour.
Yes, yes, Like, yes, the amount of stuff that's like come out
from like during the production and all of that of like the
costumes and stuff that we didn't get in the film and it
was like. I know it's it's we were
released the Shankman cut, released the for.
Real give it to me. But I just want to say we have
(10:33):
been live for about a week and we've had an amazing response on
the Internet with downloads and streams.
And honestly, it is come as a very big shock to me because we
it's a debut episode of a new podcast that doesn't have, you
know, we're not on a network, wedon't have backing, we don't
(10:53):
have advertisers. And we had like a really
smashing debut. And I just have to say thank you
to everybody who listened and subscribed and downloaded,
because that was the most pleasant surprise I could have
possibly have gotten. Yes, like the reception, like
honestly, I was not anticipatingseeing the numbers that we were
able to pull up. Like that's honestly so amazing,
(11:15):
especially for what we're doing.I'm glad that you guys are
vibing and are enjoying this enough to like kind of give it a
shot. I know that there are a lot of
nerdy podcasts out there, so thefact that you're taking time out
of your day to spend a little bit of it with us is a really
great feeling. Yeah, it is.
And we hope you you stay along for the ride too, because we, we
(11:37):
have a lot of cool things planned for the upcoming months.
And I think I know I'm like. So excited for all of our
Halloween stuff like. Oh my God like me too.
I've been thinking about our Halloween stuff for like 3 days
now and I'm like it's still August and I'm thinking about
the Halloween stuff. Like don't get me wrong, like
September is going to be really cool, but also like October is
(11:59):
going. To be really really cool we will
we will give you a little a little teaser to keep you you
know intrigued. We ideally are going to have a
special guest in September. So if you're a anything nerd,
Star Wars comics, Marvel, everything you, you're gonna
(12:22):
wanna stick around for September.
Yes, definitely, yes. But today we are here to talk
about our favorite friendly neighborhood Spider man.
I mean, there's many of them, but.
Too many friends, actually. There's actually in the in the
(12:43):
words of the fake play in the Schmidt Spider Man 2 too many
Spider Man. Yeah, actual factual.
There's so many, too many to count, possibly more than I even
know of, but we we're we're really getting into the hype of
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I keep wanting to call it no wayhome.
Still, I don't know why I have no way home in my head, but
because the. Drama of No Way Home.
Yeah, and plus they just like flip the script with like the
whole home theme and they're like brand new day.
And I'm like, whoa, I'm not. Ready, I'm not ready.
Has no home to go to Jetta. He has no home.
He's homeless. Spider man colon homeless, that
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would have been. I would have kept the same
theme. Where is he living?
He has like an apartment and everything.
He's got that shitty apartment. Yeah, yeah, like.
OK. Oh, oh, for people who are
listening, Ray is holding the finger up at me.
Can we talk about how, like, look, I know that it's a shitty
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apartment that he's living in, guys.
But here's the thing. He's living in a shitty
apartment in New York. Like he should still not be able
to afford that shitty apartment.No, like, I don't know.
Is he, it's, I assume still Queens 'cause he's always in
Queens, right? So, yeah.
And I can, I'm in New York, not the city, but I'm on Long
(14:16):
Island. I went to College in Queens.
I am, you know, even having goneto College in Queens, what, 10
years, 15 years ago, the prices are astronomical and today,
forget it. Like it's like the jokes here
about, about friends where it's like, how could a waitress and a
chef afford this even rent controlled apartment in the West
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Village, They couldn't. Like I can't, I can't afford to
eat lunch in the West Village. Like Peter Parker cannot afford,
cannot afford any sort of apartment in Queens.
I'm just putting that out there.Yeah, I'm just like, I don't
think that the Daily Bugle wouldbe like paying him like an
obsessive like excessive like amount for fucking spider Man
(15:01):
selfies. Like I don't.
Do you think he like got inheritance from Tony Stark?
How? Would he?
How would he get it? No one remembers who the fuck
Peter Parker is. That's true.
What about Aunt May? She might have had something.
Girl she ran a non profit like that's.
True, that's true. Like.
Yes, like good good person points, but she ain't making any
(15:22):
money. Yeah, these parkers are how the.
Fuck did how the fuck did aunt may afford an apartment as like
A1 salary like household raisinga kid?
We need answers. Marvel, please.
We need. We need.
(15:43):
Or, or is it like, because like so much like happens in terms of
like global and like alien kind of like disasters in New York
like that? It drives the property value
down. Wait, isn't that like, isn't,
isn't that a plot point in Daredevil where they're like,
oh, the property value's down ever since the incident, like in
(16:04):
Netflix Daredevil, they, they say that.
I think so, right. So they're like if, if you're
continuing along that continuity, like, I mean,
although in Canon it's been like10 years since since The
Avengers or probably more than that on more than 10 years.
But I don't know, maybe Thanos'sblip like brought down the the
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property value because less people, you know?
The the theme of us just kind ofagreeing with Marvel like
villains. Maybe Thanos was right.
Maybe. He was on to something.
Maybe he's on to something like like.
I'm just, I mean, I'm not sayingthat genocide is OK, but what I
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am saying is that lower propertyprices are OK because then
millennials like me could affordto live in a place that's not a
Peter Parker apartment. It's.
That part, Oh my God. Yeah, we're not saying Thanos
and Ultron were right, but maybethey were kind of they they were
(17:10):
they were thinking they were innovators.
That's a whole nother episode. But truly as but as we mentioned
all of our all of these Spider Man I, we have prepared each a
list of our five favorite Spiderman correct.
(17:33):
We have but like unlike you, I have not saved my like photos so
you're gonna see me like in realtime.
Pulling them up photos, well, I had to pull the photos up
because I feel like it's part ofthe experience of who I chose.
I mean, yeah, like the like so. So we both agree that this is
kind of a visual bit. Right, we will, we will.
(17:56):
We will explain. But for the most part, for the
full effect, you will have to tune in visually.
And maybe, just maybe, if you guys asked nicely, Gabby will
clip this, yes. But Gabby is our video editor.
You have to ask her nicely, offer her.
You have to offer up maybe some cat videos and then you're good
(18:17):
to go. We we don't know who the other
one chose for their five. So this is 'cause it's a, a
shock for both of us. All right, So do you want to
start with your start backwards like with not your number 5 and
your list can't be your list cannot just be Oscar Isaac for
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the one through 5? Well, that ruined one of the
bits. That ruined one of the potential
bits. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that I'm connected to your brain so much that I knew
that you would have Oscar Isaac as five photos.
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I don't think that anyone would complain, and if they did, I
wasn't taking criticism anyway. I think I'm very funny.
And also Oscar Isaac and also yeah him because like here's The
thing is like when I was thinking about it just like Oh
yeah lol like what if it was just all Miguelo hair and I was
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like that bitch was in fucking aMarvel property 3 * 3 times
every. Everyone needs to get on his
level like. Like he's like, could you?
Imagine being. Real.
He's like Thanos. He's collecting marble
properties like he's got three. He's got what, two more to go?
3 Two more to go. Love that for him we need a.
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Whole episode on him Oscar IsaacOh yeah and his and his marvel
pieces and. His marvel pieces that that's so
valid, that's so real. So yes #5 is is going to be in
fact, baby girl Miguel Ojero. He is baby girl.
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He is baby. Girl, even though he he would be
the one to be like I will crush the spider man till I'm the
spider man. He is.
But also it's like Miguel, you're like probably like the
least spider man of spider man. Like what do you mean you're a
fucking CEO billionaire? What do you mean you're just
Batman Spider man killing what? Did you have no light?
(20:33):
Did you know that you had to be like on that like poverty line
in order to be spider man? Yeah, no, you have to be you
have to be well under the the poverty line to be Spider Man.
That's just that's just how it is.
And and and that leads into minebecause my first one is Peter B
Parker, who is not the good one.He not only is he most likely
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below the poverty line, but he has thrifted clothes.
He I don't even know if he had an apartment.
I feel like they foreclosed on him.
I don't even know if he had a place to live either.
I think that he had an apartmentlike it was.
It was again a shitty apartment but but again, I'm just like,
how did you afford that shitty apt?
I need more world building for the spider man and their fucking
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jobs because I'm like what do you mean you can afford an
apartment by yourself in fuckingNew York as a photographer for a
news outlet? Well, at least Peter B Parker,
he has been Spider man for a long time, so I would hope that
like, do we? Really think that he got a real
job. Exactly, and he's also paying
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alimony because he's divorced and child support.
I feel I love him, but I just absolutely love Jake Johnson
too. Like it was.
It's just everything about that Spider Man is so great.
No, I do love him. Like I genuinely love him so
much. I love him.
I love I went into into the Spider verse with no
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expectations, not not low. I just didn't know at all what
to expect and I came out of thatmovie like this is one of the
best movies I've seen. It is.
So good. It is so good, like the the
spider verse like ark is like one of my favorite like comic
book events like ever. It's it's it's so bad that like
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most of my favorite like comic book like events are always like
crossovers, because those are. Always fun.
Yes, yes, because like the Flashpoint paradox is like also
like my all time, like favorite,like comic book like event to
come out of like anything, just because it's like so interesting
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and so compelling of like how they like gone about alternate
realities. But we're talking about Spider
Man, so I'm trying not to get into ADC.
Tangent, alright? Who's your, Who's your number?
Who's your #4? We're we're, we're pulling it
up. Hold on.
I have to find one that that that gets us here.
Hold on. I just want to like inform you
that mine get increasingly chaotic so.
(23:15):
Oh, yeah, same, same. Don't worry, don't, don't worry.
And then like when I, when I pull this up, you're going to be
like, Ray, Are you sure? And I was like, don't worry.
It's, it's, it's a part. It's part of everything.
Don't worry. Right, and I would like to say I
was going to put Spider Gwen on my list because I freaking love
her. She is my favorite.
But since we were going with theSpider man, I, I, I had to be a
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little sexist and leave her off the list.
Sometimes you got to be a littlesexist when it comes to a Spider
Man. No, that, that's that.
No, that's valid. That's valid.
Also bring Emma Stone into the MCU as Spider Gwen you cowards.
You brought Andrew Garfield in, now bring in bring in his
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alternate universe dead girlfriend.
Speaking of Andrew Garfield, he actually is my #4 my sweet baby
girl. Oh my God, Andrew Garfield,
you're so dreaming. You're so dreaming.
I could. I could spend a whole hour
talking about Andrew Garfield I.My ultimate favorite thing ever
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is when an actor is so genuinelyexcited to play a superhero.
Like I remember when they had that announcement where Andrew
like demasked himself at Comic Con when like the whole happy,
he was so happy and I was like, you are so cute.
And then like that, that clip ofhim, I don't even know what it
(24:43):
was from, but I've always see the the GIF of it and it's a
clip of him on the street, like taking a picture with a kid.
And then it rips up his mask andit's Andrew Garfield.
Like I, I adore everything abouthim.
Him getting the dollar. Yeah, he got a dollar.
I just he, I don't know. I'm going to go on record right
now and say it. He is and always will be my
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favorite Spider Man. I don't care that I actually
like grew up with Toby. He was like, Toby was like that
came out when I was like 13. So that was like growing up with
Spider Man. And you're still my Andrew's my
favorite. No, I definitely agree.
Like I'm I'm the same way. Like I know that a lot of people
like, don't like his spider Man because like, oh, like he's too
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cool to be Peter Parker blow. And I'm just like, shut up.
Let Spider Man be hot. Like let Peter Parker be that
hot fucking nerd. Like fuck off.
And also like that was the same criticism that people got when
they cast Marissa Tomei as Aunt May.
And it's like, why can't Aunt May be hot?
Why do you have to be an old Crone?
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Like spider man is only supposedto be like 16.
Yeah his aunt would probably be in her 40s or 50s.
And why can't cheat? Morissa Tomei is hot like.
Yeah, like, let let people be hot.
Like let nerd ship get yosified,like, it's fine, shut up.
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But wait, can I show you my number four?
Yeah. Andrew Garvey.
Oh my God, He's just, oh, he's just precious baby boy.
Like, I wanted to make you my number one, but for the sake of
comedy, I didn't. Yeah, I just, I just, I can't
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say enough about him. I I'm like, I, you know how
everybody got back on like the hating Christensen train when
Obi Wan was coming out and he was coming back and then acted
like they didn't completely, like trash him for over a
decade? I was like, I have been a hating
Christian since Dan since since episode 2.
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And it's the same with Andrew Garfield.
I stood by his spider man from day one and I never wavered.
And then everybody tried to get back on the train when the news
when No Way Home came back. Right.
Fake fans. Sorry, sorry, I don't mean to
offend anybody, but if you haven't loved Andrew Garfield
for decades then I don't know ifwe could be friends.
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Again, like, even if you don't like him as Spider Man, can you
just like say that he's objectively hot?
Like, yes, that's all that I'm asking for.
Like, I don't like you can, you can have your qualms about his
Spider Man and all of that stuff, but the man's is hot.
And a great actor. Yeah, like one of the best
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scenes of of cinema, in my personal opinion, is the social
Network when he comes in and andsmashes the computer love.
Yeah, that's iconic. He's amazing.
Andrew Garfield, will you pleasecome on our show, our little
please. Please, it's like a little
treat. Please, please, a little treat.
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Truly, truly. Do it for the girls.
Do it for the girls. Thanks.
Do you wanna know my #3? I do wanna know you're #3.
OK my number 3, is that like brief scene in what was it like
season 2 episode 1 of community where Donald?
Glover is stressed. In Spider Man PJS.
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I forgot about that. I completely forgot.
That is so freaking valid. Yes, and even Spider Man, it's
even better because everybody want wanted him to be Miles
Morales. I mean, I know.
Oh my God, I forgot that that isthe thing that happened.
(28:44):
Coming in with the. Deep cuts.
Well, well, if you want to go deep cut.
Oh God. If you want to go deep cut,
continue on that line. Are you ready?
I see you're Donald Glover in one episode of Community.
And I raise you kidding, I can'tget through the time.
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I raise you Danny DeVito and it's always sunny Halloween
episode I believe. I don't even know if it was the
full scene. I think it just this is the
(29:25):
spider man I want in my spider verse.
That we have the. Same wavelength of picking just
actors dressed as spider. Not even actors who have played
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spider man except for like 1. Oh my God that was good.
That was. Those were two real good ones
for #3 also, I do I. I do appreciate Danny DeVito as
the trash man as well. Oh.
(30:08):
My God, it's. Always Sunny is a gem and I love
it. And Danny DeVito for Spider man
just, I'm sorry, Spider versus out there.
Throw him in. Oh my God, who?
Now now, who's your number 2 though?
(30:29):
I'm scared. I don't think that you should be
scared like I think that even though like my my like list is
is chaotic in format and not like how it should be, but it it
it it it's, it probably like could be more chaotic and it
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could be, it could be, it could be my #2 again, it it's not
nearly as chaotic as it could be, but it's definitely like
we're we're we're getting past like the sun of everything.
But my my second favorite is actually the the Spider Man
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popsicle. Oh my God.
Just. Because does that bitch like
saved my life during San Diego Comic Con?
It's. Not it's an inanimate object.
I love that. That was real good that I I did
not see, did not see the Spider Man popsicle coming.
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That man saved my life like that.
That that's what real heroes areabout.
Right the the biggest, the best spider Man hero is the popsicle.
Actually, this is true. This is true.
My number 2 is so unfortunately I'm breaking the mold and going
back to actual people who are spider man, but it's Toby as the
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man spider or whatever he the human spider or whatever the
hell he was when he did. And he's a wrestling outfit that
really terrible spray painted like he's gonna mug a bank
wrestling outfit that was So he's gonna mug a bank, rob a
bank, mug a guy and rob a bank. He also like I'm looking at this
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picture closer and he has on like a motorcycle gloves like I
don't know what was Sam Raimi was just wild.
He was just. There were no standards for
superhero movies back then. There were no standards.
But listen, Sam Raimi, Sam Raimiset, set the stage and then came
back and did Multiverse of Madness and then all like, you
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can't beat it, can't beat him. He he did Multiverse of Madness,
but he didn't watch one division.
That's another thing that we were talking about.
Sam Raimi slander. I don't want to do that.
But like, but also I, I don't think that it's slander, I think
it's holding him accountable. Right.
Like if you're gonna do Multiverse of Madness, you have
to know why Wanda does what she does.
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And it's not for bad reasons. It's actually like I would have
done the same if I were Wanda. Yeah.
Like if I had if I had kids and my kids disappeared because of
my magic, I'm also going to tearapart the multiverse and find
them. Like I'm going to do it and not
be a villain, but good for her for being a villain too.
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My number 2 is the cowboy spiderman with his spider man horse
because everyone wants Pedro Pascal to voice him and I think
that he should so that he and Miguel can kiss.
We here on STEM Splaining are gonna keep talking about ways in
which Oscar Isaac and Pedro Pascal could possibly kiss, and
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there are so many easy ways for it to be done.
If people weren't cowards. Yeah, yeah, I, we're, we're
giving you the road map to make that happen, right.
And all of them I think would bein character for either of them.
And and that would even be in animated form.
So if you don't wanna like, actually like, make the actress
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kiss. Make the spider man kiss, make
the spider man kiss, make the spider man kiss.
Just saying would would they both be like upside down and
doing the spider man kiss upsidedown?
They're both upside down though.Like not just one, like both of
them are upside down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How that works I don't know, butI would love to see it.
Yes. So was this my number one right?
I did everybody else, yes, My number one, if I can click it is
this is your Japanese spider man.
Japanese spider man is wild. Look at him.
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He's got a gun. He has a gun and he's not afraid
to use it. And he and every clip you see is
just increasingly chaotic, like it's just just Japanese Spider
Man hits differently. Give Spider Man a gun.
Give Marvel, you cowards, give Spider Man a gun.
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Wait, that was my number one. That was my #1.
Did you already do 5? I feel like we didn't do do 5
already. Yeah.
My number my my number 5 was Peter B Parker.
That was Peter B Parker, Andrew Garfield, Danny DeVito, Human
Spider, and then it's Japanese Spider Man.
So now you have to do your number one.
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Oh, I have to do my #1. Yeah.
Well, my number one is Lego Spider Man and Across the Spider
verse because I think that it's really cool, like cool that they
brought in the young, like 14 year old at the time animator to
do those scenes. Oh, I agree with that.
Yes, like, yeah. So it's like, I think that it's
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really great. And kind of like what he
represents, like, overall as theidea of, like, encouraging young
creators to keep creating and showing them like, hey, yeah,
like keep doing this and it willopen the doors that it needs to.
And people are seeing what they need to.
So that is why he's my #1. I like that.
That was a a very heartwarming #1 And I'd also point, I also
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think it's really, really funny that Tom Holland didn't make
either of our lives. Here's the thing.
I love Tom Holland. I really do.
And, and like, I like overall, like I thoroughly love his
Spider Man and I love his Peter Parker, but that's an Eppo baby.
Yeah. That that's a Nepho.
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Baby, yeah, he he didn't have, you know, I mean, it's the
implied origin Uncle Ben story. But like he was already over
that. Like he already had grieved and
moved on when when Tony Stark swept in and was just like, hey,
here's some money. Also wanna fight Captain America
with me like. Yeah.
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Also that didn't let me tell yousomething about Let me.
Here I go. Oh God.
That annoys me because Peter Parker would never fight Steve
Rogers. Like it.
It was only because Tony Stark was like, I have a lot of money
and I want to upgrade you and take you to Germany to meet The
Avengers. And he was like, Peter was like
a fangirl, right. But in reality, which, valid.
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Yeah. I mean, same.
I would do the same thing, but. But then I'd switch sides.
I'd be like, there's Captain Bucky and I'd like go, like,
done. But in reality, Peter never
would. He would be like, we're two
homies from New York and you're Captain America, let's hang out
in Coney Island. That's what would.
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Happen. No, I totally agree.
I I I think that like if he was given the context of like, oh,
why are you guys fighting this, this COVID accords?
What are those? Oh, they don't want vigilantes.
I don't kind of like. My whole thing.
No, I don't. I, I think that like, we're,
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we're kind of like on opposing sides here, Mr. Stark.
Yeah, they didn't even give him any context, now that I got it.
Like, Tony Stark for real just kidnapped a teen who had
superpowers that he saw on the Internet and was like, go beat
the shit out of Captain America for me.
Like, literally. And Peter was like, OK.
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Oh my God, like you should automatically know that Captain
America is probably on the rightside.
Like, like he's most likely on the the correct side, right?
Oh, that was Tony Stark. You messed up bro.
But you know what? I too might, might just just
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kind of change my whole, like, way of thinking if like Tony
Stark was like, hey, yeah, do doyou wanna come do this thing
with me? I'm just saying, yeah, I do.
Yeah, I would also go, but I would use him and his and his
dirty money to go and escape with with Captain America and
Bucky. But then like the but then like
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the flip side of that is you have to go to Siberia with them
and face off against Zemo. But Daniel Bruhl is so cute.
Oh, like, he's so cute. Yeah, he did.
He was doing a lot of murder. And like he's.
Just he's just a, he's just a silly little guy.
He's just a guy doing his thing.Like like I, I have a whole, I
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think Zemo himself. It could be a whole can of worms
because in my personal opinion he was the most effective
villain in all of Marvel and he's just a dude.
I know he's. Just a dude.
He's just a dude who's pissed off and mourning, and he's the
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best villain that they've. Had and I think like that's kind
of what's exciting about brand new Day being St. level yeah,
like it's no longer like these global like events or anything
like this. Like it's for the most part,
like they're kind of just dudes who got fucked by science.
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Right. And even even like homecoming,
it's still even though it was like, I guess you could say
ground level, it still had a like heavy-handed Tony Stark
involved. And even even the Vulture was
like still part of like the event connected to The Avengers
and the aliens, But but it was Michael Keaton.
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So that was pretty, pretty damn cool.
Like that was really cool, like.I'm just like, I kind of really
hate that we got teased for likethe Sinister 6, but we've yet to
get the Sinister 6 and I'm worried that we're going to
close out the MCU without ever getting them for Tom's run.
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And I'm just like, fuck. See.
But it wasn't. Isn't there a rumor going around
that this is a scorpion? Right?
He's one of them. Yeah.
Isn't there a rumor going aroundthat he was seen on set for
Brand New Day? I think I've seen that.
Yeah, I think I saw that. So like I, I'm trying to be a
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good little moviegoer and kind of like avoid spoilers because
like that's kind of like one of the things like I'm kind of
getting like fatigued with like set photos and like leaks and
stuff like that. Like even with all of the stuff
that we're seeing coming out of Glasgow, like it's really cool
and I love that we're getting like practical swinging for
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Spider Man and it looks really awesome, but I don't wanna see
like the whole movie before I even see the fucking movie.
Right, I think that's, I think the set photos is what I'm
thinking of 'cause I, I could bemistaken and like, please
correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.
But I think one of the set photos cause like he's on, they
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keep showing him Peter on a tankand I think there's the symbol
on it is a scorpion. I, I, I, I'm not sure I could be
making this up, but I'm almost positive because it, it struck
me thinking, oh, Senator 6, but I wouldn't put it past them to
just like make the scorpion the villain and not include the
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Senator 6. Like just how Vulture was the
villain right now, I don't know.But isn't there also rumors that
like Mr. Negative is going to, like, be in there?
Yeah. And who was it that they said
might be it was somebody really good that might be you have you
have to check my check to me. Let's check our sources who Mr.
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Negatives rumor was because I was really excited about that I
not trust. Yeah, like, OK, so like here's
my thing is that like I think like it's really fun to like
talk about like theories and like that's kind of like why we
talk about what we what we talk about and what we're going to
talk about on this podcast. I don't think that they that
news outlets have any like business covering like fan
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theories, fan casting. Like he just kind of feels like
we're scraping like the jar likefor content.
And it's like, if you don't haveanything interesting to say
about the endless amounts of like source material, then maybe
we shouldn't be doing what we should like what we're doing.
Like it because it just at that point it just feels like click
bait. Like you can say like, like put
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it in title of like fan casting and stuff like that, but it's
like, is it really news? Right, It's it's honestly like
as somebody who you know, works in in that field, it's a lot of
it is also algorithm. You know, it's same thing with
like podcasting, like what is going to kind of take off.
And I think Daniel Dakim, the reason I just actually looked it
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up to and it was on comicbook.com.
You can follow me there for my writings.
Comicbook.com had a quote from him.
Like addressing addressing. Rumors.
Yeah, so it's just a rumor, but I would love to see Daniel Dakim
in the MCUI. Love him so much.
Like, like when they cast him asthe Fire Lord, I was like,
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excuse me? I was like.
Excuse me? They're not supposed to make me
thirsty over the fire Lord like.I mean, I mean.
Like he was that that was not not fair.
That was that was thirsty. But I do like going back to the
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street level stuff. I do like that.
I'm a little upset that they're pretending that Scotland is New
York, like film in New York, film in New York, You, you
cowards. But anyway, right.
I like the the fact that it's St. level and I like that his
suit is not a techie suit. They're they're it's just like a
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it's kind of very reminiscent ofAndrew Garfield's.
Like it's that. Yeah, regular spider man suit.
Yeah, so that's nice to see. And there was something else
that I wanted to say. Oh, the street level thing also
makes sense with the fact that they're bringing in the
Punisher. So.
Right. Like if it's also just like,
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hey, so if we're going to get Punisher, does that mean we're
going to get red 100%? They go together.
They go together, Yeah, like. You're going to tell me that the
Punisher is going to be around and Matt Murdock isn't going to
have anything to say about it. Yeah, you're telling me the
Punisher is going to be trying to get a teen vigilante to
probably kill people and that Matt isn't going to swoop in and
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be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second here, Frank.
We got to kill this guy, Peter. OK, Mr. Castle, I just need that
to be the whole plot of the movie.
It's actually not even about Spider Man.
It's about the fact that the Punisher like that like Frank
finds Spider Man and then like it's Frank and Matt fighting
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over his like his whole. Battle of fucking Spider Man.
No, you can't. You can't have, especially with
because when does Brand New Day come out?
Next July. Yes.
I think it's next. It's definitely next summer.
So I think it, I think it's coming out like, is it, do I
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have to pull up the map again? I I'm almost positive it's July
of next year, I think so I'm. Pretty sure it's July next year.
And then I think, yeah, so we would.
And then doomsday. And then doomsday, yeah.
Yeah, because, well, usually they will also will release
something big in July around SanDiego Comic Con, and it makes
sense that it would be Spider Man next year.
But like we were saying earlier,Season 2, a Daredevil comes out
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in March. Right.
So whatever events you know happen there are gonna have to
tie into Spider Man because Frank is a big part of season 2.
A daredevil considering Frank. Because then we're also good.
Because. They jumped out of the out of
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the building together, yes. And then they went with Karen.
I don't know what. They're sorry, I was just too
distracted about the idea of Karen Page getting 2 boyfriends,
which I think that she should beallowed to have.
But I just think it's also not fair.
Yeah, but like, if it's going tobe anybody, I think that I'd
want it to be Karen. I know that you don't like
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Karen, but like, I like Karen more than I like Electra.
I'm sorry. I know, I know, I'm sorry.
I there's a lot of hot takes forElectra in this house.
I'm OK with Karen and Frank. I think it's better because she
she like, he like challenges hermore.
And I think that Matt is kind oflike a pussy when it comes to
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when it comes to Karen. And I am a Matt Murdock stand.
I will, I will stand on businesswhen it comes to Matt Murdock.
But I think he's like, he's all like, oh, like Karen.
And then electric comes and he'slike, yeah, let's go do crime.
And I'm like, yes, that's my Daredevil.
That's my that's the Daredevil Isigned up for.
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I think like my thing is that like I, I, I get that I do and
like I, I love when a woman can just make a man his absolute
worst. I do, but I also, but I also
like how Karen kind of like brings Matt back to Matt instead
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of Matt feeling like a costume for like the Daredevil persona.
Like so it's like kind of letting him stay true to like
the life that he's built and continues to build and covets
and really takes a lot of pride in.
Whereas like Electra doesn't respect that aspect of Matt
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whatsoever. And she like basically says that
she doesn't respect it. And it's like, but this is like
she wants exactly. And like, that's fine, but it's
also like Matt has a whole life that he's built without her and
she's just not in the space to respect that and adapt to that.
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But I, I also like the Matt and Karen dynamic because I think
that it like it challenges both of them in ways that they need
to be challenged where it's likeMatt needs to kind of get out of
his own like self righteousness and like see that Karen, who he
perceives as this very pure, like being is capable of dark
things. And Karen herself kind of like
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needs to be able to forgive herself for the things that she
has done for the sake of survival and like who has, who
she's been and like who she's trying to be.
And I think like, that's where Ilike their dynamic more than I
like Matt and Electra is where it's just like, I feel like Matt
is just always in a state of trying to fix Elektra and make
her a better person instead of it like kind of playing off of
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each other. But I also haven't read a lot
into Electra because. I just don't like Electra.
Well, old Matt and his, you know, Catholic guilt.
Trying to fix people makes sense.
But I did just write down in my notes for an episode the many
girlfriends of Matt Murdock, because I think that in and of
itself, he is the bloodiest he is.
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Of the MCU, he. He is the biggest slot in the
MCU and I will stand by that. I think I did.
And I think I actually wrote an article about like 5-5
girlfriends who lived in five who died.
So that's like 10 right there, like.
So yes, like he's a slut, but also it's like if if man was out
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here rising me while like being able to monitor my heartbeat in
order to like gauge my reaction to like the things that he's
saying, like I'm sorry, but thatwould work on.
Me and he's so cute. He's just so handsome.
Charlie Cox, we love you. Oh, Oh my gosh.
So my favorite story. I think I probably have told you
this before, but this is my, again, my play.
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Charlie Cox, please come on and talk to us, even though you're
notoriously adverse to, I think,these kind of public
appearances. That's so valid though, we love
that. I do love that, but I also
really think that if he's gonna do public appearance, this is
where to do it, where it's just unhinged and not a huge, not a
huge. Following So I we won't even
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talk about Daredevil, we'll justtalk about Stardust.
How about that? Yeah, we could do that.
That's fine. We can talk about literally
everything else but this. We don't have to talk about
anything that you've even been in.
We can talk about like you love Andrew Garfield.
Why don't we have an episode about Andrew Garfield, but we
have Charlie Cox on? Yeah.
Yeah, like that. Would be amazing.
And if someone else there is listening, if someone in
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production or casting is out there listening and if you can
like somehow make this happen, please, please, just for the
bit, Just for the bit. But my, my, my Charlie Cox story
is I actually it was like 2. It was two years ago.
What are we in 2025 S forth? So 2023 it was New York Comic
Con 2023 and I was walking from Penn Station to the Javid Center
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and it's about like 10-11 blocksSt. shot.
And my my best friend was with me and we were walking and I see
a guy on the same sidewalk as mecoming close to me.
And I'm like, that's Charlie Cox.
Like he's just in like plain clothes.
And I'm like, and I like, did a double take.
And I kind of looked, I like, looked at him.
He looked at me and he was like,please don't say it.
Like it was like, it was, I could like read him.
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I could read him where he's like, yeah, it's, it's me.
But just. And I was like, don't.
I was like, OK. And like the fact that he passed
and I waited a beat and my friend was talking and I was
ignoring her 'cause I was like, that's just Charlotte Cox.
And then I turned to her. I'm like, I think that we just
passed Charlie Cox. And then like later that that
night she texted me and she texted me a picture of him
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'cause he had actually been at the con.
And she's like, yeah, that was him.
This is his outfit. And it makes it even better that
it was in Hell's Kitchen that like, I ran into him in Hell's
Kitchen, like. Of all places to be, bro.
Like what are you like? What are you doing?
You didn't want to get noticed and yet you're in, you're,
you're in your house. Like what are you what?
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That's a Matt Murdock move for sure for.
Real. It's just like what?
But like, I really, really, really love, I think it's I
think it's Mark Wade's Daredevil, where he has, I
don't, I could be wrong, but where he crosses over and has
spider man in it. I love when spider man and
Daredevil team up. So I really hope brand new day
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does that because like the dynamic is so funny.
The dynamic is so good. It's like tired uncle and like
ADHD nephew. It's so funny.
It's so good. Yeah, I just remembered the one
panel and and this one panel andMatt is like I think he's on a
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date or something. And spider man just swoops down.
He's like I need some dare help.And Matt's not even in in his
costume like I need. So I need the street level
spider man to basically be like like the defenders plus spider
man. I would love that.
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I, I, I just want Jessica Jones to like, fucking be so annoyed
with Peter Parker. She's going to like institute
time out for him like she would be like, or she would love him.
It would go one way or the other.
She'd either be like I can't stand this stupid kid or he
needs to be protected at all costs.
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I think it's more likely to likebe the former, probably.
Plus the dynamic between JessicaJones and Matt Murdoch was that
was a chef kiss in The Defenders.
So glad. To have her back so bad.
We need her back. She returns to save the day.
Nice ears. They're horns.
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With his stupid this her scarf around his face.
Matthew. You look like an idiot.
It's your scarf. They had the best dynamic.
I wonder how much of that was scripted and how much was just
them like just go just going offeach other.
But I really hope that, like I said this on on the last on the
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last episode, that I feel like brand new day is kind of like
the springboard for Doomsday. And if they are going to finally
bring in the street level heroeslike Daredevil and Jessica Jones
and Frank, since they haven't, you know, they haven't confirmed
if Luke Cage or Iron Fist were coming back, at least those
three. If they're going to bring them
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into the movies, that's the springboard to do it.
Is is spider man? Defenders plus Spider Man.
Defenders plus Spider man, Yeah.Honestly, the more that you say
it, the more like more that it would make sense to actually do
it that way. But then again, it's the MCU.
When has it ever been like? I mean, it is, it is, it is like
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Spider Man's movie. But the whole thing with
Daredevil at least, like obviously it's going to depend
on what happens in Season 2 of Daredevil.
But like, Fisk has outlawed the vigilantes.
So like, what does this mean forSpider Man operating in New
York? Like this is a big question
mark. Right.
Although I don't think anyone seemed to really give a crap
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when the Thunderbolts just rolled up and did their thing.
Fisk was on vacation that day. Is Valentina a billionaire?
Yeah, she could do what she wants also.
Yeah. So.
So she's Julia Louie Dreyfus. She's Julia Louie Dreyfus.
She could do like, whatever. She could tell anyone what to
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do. Yeah, she can just do whatever
she wants. I think Fisk would listen to
her. I think he'd be like, all right,
fair. You know what?
OK, just this one time, I'll letyou let Bob in.
We'll finally be able to watch Thunderbolts like towards the
end of the month here. Oh, is that when it's coming
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out? Yeah, I think so.
I think that it's going to be onDisney Plus like on the 27th.
Oh my God. OK, I haven't seen it, but I
know what happens. So that's how I know I.
Also know what happens like the Internet doesn't know how to
shut up but. We should watch it together.
I think so too. I think that that would be good.
And then we could do a Thunderbolts episode.
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And I just will warn you right now that that's gonna get into a
Bucky Barnes episode. And then we're just gonna be
like, where's Alpine? Like where?
Where is she? Yeah.
We can the pets of the MCU is also something that I did the
list on and I really, really wanted to make Alpine number
one. But lucky, such a dog.
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Lucky the Pizza Dog exists, and Lucky is just the bestest,
bestest boy. And I'm I'm unfortunately a
cosmos like Stan so. Cosmo is good too, yeah.
It's a heck and a good dog. Oh, Speaking of, I mentioned
this earlier. I teach this earlier.
Speaking of articles I've written and Spider Man, I have
one that is in the works. It's it's just waiting to be
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published. And the title or the theme is
basically is Uncle was Uncle Ben's death really a wait on
Spider Man? Like, did it make him less of a
hero than it could have been? It should have.
And my argument was, yeah, like Uncle Ben saddling Peter with
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the whole with great power comesgreat responsibility.
And the guilt of inaction leading to Uncle Ben's death
completely makes Spider Man pullpunches and hold back.
And and like, you know, he, he couldn't be like Daredevil, like
he couldn't be like, he can't dothat.
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He's always limited because of that guilt.
I think it also like poses the question of like how how heroic
and altruistic is like this, like former self sacrifice that
Peter imposes on himself, Like how how heroic is that actually?
Like, because yes, it's like coming from like this place of
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like, yeah, I want to like be like a good person, everything,
but it's like. When does it just become
self-destructive? When, when, when does it stop
being heroic? And when does it just become
self-destructive? Because so often in like runs,
you see Peter doing like all these really heroic things.
And you see him put everything else like above the things that
(01:00:32):
like he needs in his life and like the things that are
important to him personally. And it's just like, I think that
in a way it kind of makes him like put himself in his own like
way of, no, I don't want to say that like being like above
people, but it's like isolated. Yeah.
(01:00:55):
Like it's just like you're imposing self isolation onto
yourself by denying these like, kind of like selfish, like
things that you want and that you should be prioritizing for
your own, like individual happiness.
And it's like, is that actually a good thing in like, a heroic
trait that you should strive for?
And like, I don't think so. Like, I don't think that that
(01:01:18):
makes him a better or worse hero, but it's like, how
damaging is that for Peter Parker as an individual human
being And like. He basically sacrifices
sacrifices his everything personal for the superhero life
and that's all stems back to Uncle Ben.
(01:01:39):
Right. So it's like, I wonder if like
if Uncle Ben had still been around, if he would be able to
teach Peter more of a balance instead of being like with great
response, with with great power comes great responsibility.
Like, yes, that's a great line, but it's like when you're
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telling that to a teenager who is going to take that as an
absolute, that is so damaging. It is so damaging and then in a
way, like, I mean, this might sound bad, but then it limits
him as a hero as well because sometimes heroes have to get
their hands dirty and it's for the greater good.
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Like, and that's something I know I keep going back to
Daredevil, but that's something that he, he does, you know, he
even has his own, you know, codeof ethics cause with his
Catholicism. But even with that, he still
knows that, you know what, to save this group of people, I
have to cross this line. And that's unfortunately the
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superhero life. Like a lot of them, you know,
they have their code of conduct.They have their moral compass,
but there are times when it has to be crossed because you're
saving a city of people or, you know, the villain is gonna set
off an atomic bomb. I don't know, Like, you need to.
Sometimes you gotta kill people.Sometimes you gotta, sometimes
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you gotta do a little murder. Sometimes, sometimes you need to
do a little murder. Right.
Because then it's like you fall into like the issue with Batman
where it's like, cool, yeah, you're like, you're not killing
these villains and you're tryingto rehabilitate them.
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And that's awesome. But clearly they don't want to.
It just makes it worse. Yeah, so it's so so it really
much is asking that question of just like when do you need to
like cross that line? And it's like Spider Man doesn't
kill people. And that's like the big like
defining thing about Spider Man.And so it's like, like you said,
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it is hindering him as a hero. Yeah, and like Daredevil,
Daredevil doesn't kill people, but he, he, he takes them out
enough that he takes, you know, he, he may, he may not kill
them, but he, he goes the messages.
Then he goes further than Peter will.
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Like he goes to the point where they're not going to operate
anymore. But Peter won't even he won't
even go that length. That's why I think it's gonna be
real wild to see Frank Castle thrown into the mix because
Frank, I mean, Frank has a code.Like he's not just a obviously
like we joke who is gonna let's kill this guy.
He has a code. He does things for a reason and
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target people for a reason. But he is like so opposite than
Peter. So like it's really interesting
to see where that's gonna, how that's gonna line up.
Yeah. I think like that's, it'll kind
of like I at least I hope, I hope that it really just kind of
challenges the idea of responsibility and what that
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looks like. Because like in a way, like
Frank is imposing his own sense of responsibility of just like
there are bad people that need to be taken care of.
And if I need to be that person that takes care of it because no
one else will, that is my responsibility.
Right. And he and he doesn't care.
Like, whatever. If society sees me as a monster,
I'll take on being a monster. But I am keeping people safe,
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you know? Exactly.
But and now he's gonna have to deal with with two vigilantes
who won't kill anybody. He's gonna be so mad.
He's gonna be so upset. But he's got Jessica.
She'll she'll be like, I'll, I'll, I'll kill someone with
you. Let's go.
Frank is just like mine, used togo to war.
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Oh, goodness. Well, I mean, I think we've,
we've, we've spider man all overthe place.
It's a verb. We've Spider man up and down
these walls. Please.
Hold, please. Hold.
Hold on, Hold on. I'm hold on.
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Oh, there it is. OK.
Please please. Stop it.
That is not what I meant when I said we Spider Man all over the
place. I just meant we talked a lot
about Spider Man. We've we've talked a lot.
Phrasing. There's and you know what, like
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we still like didn't talk about like 90% of the Spider Man, but
it's OK. This will be like Spidey, too
many spider man Part 1 of question mark.
Yeah, like I totally agree. There's just so much we can.
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I mean, but we did get the Spider Man popsicle in there.
So that's that's a win on my part.
Again, homie saved my life. You can't go wrong with the
Spider Man popsicle. I know it's freak too, like.
Well, on that note, friends, listeners, again, thank you for
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making our first episode such ansurprise success.
I hope we continue to entertain you and you continue to follow
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I don't think that we really have done anything with Tiktok
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They they could. It's possible.
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(01:08:44):
Oh gosh.
Hi everybody. Welcome back to our second
episode of Fenceplaining. Yay.
I mean, I don't think we properly introduced ourselves in
Episode 1, which is on brand. Because we just assumed that we
were already friends. So I didn't think that we needed
to introduce ourselves, but we can.
(00:30):
We're friends to everyone. Is is like or just like I, I, I
like to think that this is just kind of like AI saw you at like
a table and you started talking about like a nerd thing.
And I just sat down. You don't know who I am.
I didn't say what my name was. And I just started saying like
really off the wall shit. That's kind of.
(00:51):
And then you walk away and no one ever knows who you are.
Literally, literally, like I do that all the time.
Like I just hear people like saying something about Star Wars
or Marvel and I'm just like, Oh yeah, like XYZ thing.
And then they're just like, yeah, XYZ thing and was like,
yeah, XYZ thing. And then I walk away.
That's. So epic, I love it.
(01:12):
It's like, did she even really exist in the race?
Been dead for 35 years. Everything is an illusion.
Well anyway, I guess if we should do proper introductions.
I'm Jenna. I am obviously Co host.
I don't know. I'm Jenna.
(01:33):
I don't know what I'm just, I'm just Jenna.
I don't know what to say about myself.
Introducing each other like we're a fucking.
A. A meeting?
Yeah. I'm Jenna.
I don't like to be called Jen. Please never call me Jen or
Jenny though. You're not a Jenny either.
Oh my God, that's a hate crime. I hate it.
If some, like when I was younger, when I was in like
(01:56):
elementary school or something, if somebody would call me Jen, I
would correct them like nicely. I'd be like, no, it's Jenna.
And then like, it became a thingwhere they'd be like, no, it's
Jenna. And I'm like teenage, not teens,
preteens. No, my name is Jenna.
It's not Jennifer. It's not Jen.
It's Jenna. Like on your birth certificate.
That is Jenna. It is Jenna, yes.
(02:17):
So that's me. The the the name rants.
That's so real. I'm Ray, just just Ray just
being in in Star wars fashion ofhow that how that should have
ended. But that's a rant for another
time. Yeah, I also have name trauma.
(02:39):
So you're also just going by a nickname because this is easier
than everything else. Will you ever get my real name?
Probably not, right? Probably not, But.
If you subscribe to our Patreon,we don't have a We don't have a
Patreon. Yet, yet, yet.
(02:59):
If you subscribe to the Patreon,you get Ray's real name.
And then you just get disappointed because it
literally is just right. It's the only the only thing we
ever put on Patreon. That's it.
But that that's all that it is like it, it legitimately is just
right. I do we introduce like what we
(03:23):
kind of do on the Internet, likeI guess we could do that too.
I. Yeah, this is like such a casual
thing that I'm not used to. Like I, I talked about this,
actually we didn't release the full, we didn't release the
Snyder Cut of our of our of our Snyder Cut, no release the
(03:43):
Snyder Cut. Of our first talk, I here's The
thing is that like I've had someone like who I know who has
listened to the podcast and likeactually enjoyed it, which was
really nice feedback to get to get.
Like they were asking like, hey,are we ever gonna get like that
episode that you guys originallyrecorded or just like, probably
not. If you subscribe to our Patreon.
(04:09):
Exactly, Exactly. Yeah, we recorded, we did record
an episode. Just the purpose was originally
just to kind of have social media clips to hype up what was
coming up. But I realize in that in that
recording, we introduced ourselves as if it was like our
first episode and then. Did we introduce ourselves?
I don't think that we introducedourselves on that either.
(04:31):
Like I don't think that we did. We again, we just assumed.
I just assumed that you know me like I I go about the world like
I'm already famous. Because she is because she well,
I guess, I guess we could, we could give a little a second
episode introduction. I amawriteriwrite@comicbook.com.
(04:55):
I write about movies and TV is one of my sectors.
Comics and anime is another one.I also do another podcast called
Portion of a Fangirl. And the thing about that podcast
is I'm just kind of like the interviewer, I'm the moderator.
So this is like a total shift for me because like for 3 1/2
years I've been the one kind of like behind the camera with like
(05:18):
the paper asking questions and not being able to talk about
like things that like I like, which is the point of an
interview podcast, obviously. But yeah, you can, you can find
my stuff, my writing. Just Google my name and you'll
find, find some of my writing. I'm sure I'll bring it up
sometime because actually an article I just wrote that's not
(05:40):
out yet coincides with today's topic that we're going to get
into. Which actually, like after you
posed that question from your article, I got to thinking, I'm
just like, actually, yeah, she'skind of right.
Like, right. Like in the Grants.
I genuinely do think that you'reright, Jenna.
Like I that's like such a good article.
Like, this isn't even me. Just like being like, yeah, go
(06:02):
read Jenna. 'S article blah blah blah.
She's like, no, like it's actually like a very compelling
like idea. It is.
It is. So yeah, like Jenna is legit.
She does all of her hot takes onall of her articles and they're
really like well informed and interesting and you guys should
go read them. Especially her Star Wars ones.
We love her Star Wars ones. She's always rambling about our
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favorite rebels. So please go go read her stuff,
guys. We love to.
I mean, if we hold on, if we want, if we want to prove
myself, Ezra and Kanan, dad and son anyway, dad and son, dad and
son. For for our listener only crowd,
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which is like, I'm, I don't knowwhy you're doing that.
We're also on YouTube. So there also are like visual
cues here. So Jenna also just held up
Hurricane and Ezra legacy lightsabers.
So that's what that like little brief pause was.
So maybe we should go watch YouTube, just saying, but like
(07:09):
like both actually. So you can like listen to it
first and then you can get the visual references.
Or if you'd like, although I I do agree with Ray, but Spotify
also has video so you can wait. List us on Spotify.
Yes you can. Wow.
So she's fancy with it. Yes.
So you can find us. You should listen to us on every
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single platform, everywhere, just all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just yeah. Now let's pass it over to Ray,
who is the best person ever and I love you.
I love you too. I don't have nearly as much
credibility as Jenna does. Our content and presence on the
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Internet is drastically different.
I am a fashion and cosplay content creator.
I have kind of Ebdon flowed through the Internet in multiple
capacities, mainly as a cosplayer.
I am currently mainly having my focus as fashion as I get older,
(08:15):
leaning into Disney, bounding costuming through television,
film and all of the like. Kind of having that discussion
of what is in an outfit and kindof how costuming and colour
blocking and all of these thingskind of translate and speak as a
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character. As well as talking about things
like the importance of thriftingand the problem of
overconsumption and all of the likes.
So I am very much a fashion and visual content creator if you're
interested in stuff like that. And I have a habit of hyper
fixation. So it's a lot of nerdy related
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content of our dear boys of StarWars, Marvel, DC, all of that
like and kind of like leaning into those flags of nerddom.
Yeah, and, and I, as somebody who knows nothing about fashion
and literally I work from home and can typically be found in
(09:26):
leggings and AT shirt. I look at Ray's stuff and I'm
always so impressed because it'snot just necessarily like
cosplay, like Ray doesn't, it's not cosplay.
It's like, like you said, the essence of a character.
It's what pieces kind of represent this character.
Like, you know, going back to last week when we talked about
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the metallic coat, Sue Storm's metallic coat that you're going
to, you got to get your hands on.
Yes, I'm going to. Yes, if you didn't listen to
last week's episode, we did talkabout Fantastic Four First Steps
and Sue Storm's Metallic coat. That's all we talked about.
It's not all we talked about. I wish.
It was all we talked about, just.
(10:06):
As a code for an hour? For an hour.
Yes, yes, Like, yes, the amount of stuff that's like come out
from like during the production and all of that of like the
costumes and stuff that we didn't get in the film and it
was like. I know it's it's we were
released the Shankman cut, released the for.
Real give it to me. But I just want to say we have
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been live for about a week and we've had an amazing response on
the Internet with downloads and streams.
And honestly, it is come as a very big shock to me because we
it's a debut episode of a new podcast that doesn't have, you
know, we're not on a network, wedon't have backing, we don't
(10:53):
have advertisers. And we had like a really
smashing debut. And I just have to say thank you
to everybody who listened and subscribed and downloaded,
because that was the most pleasant surprise I could have
possibly have gotten. Yes, like the reception, like
honestly, I was not anticipatingseeing the numbers that we were
able to pull up. Like that's honestly so amazing,
(11:15):
especially for what we're doing.I'm glad that you guys are
vibing and are enjoying this enough to like kind of give it a
shot. I know that there are a lot of
nerdy podcasts out there, so thefact that you're taking time out
of your day to spend a little bit of it with us is a really
great feeling. Yeah, it is.
And we hope you you stay along for the ride too, because we, we
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have a lot of cool things planned for the upcoming months.
And I think I know I'm like. So excited for all of our
Halloween stuff like. Oh my God like me too.
I've been thinking about our Halloween stuff for like 3 days
now and I'm like it's still August and I'm thinking about
the Halloween stuff. Like don't get me wrong, like
September is going to be really cool, but also like October is
(11:59):
going. To be really really cool we will
we will give you a little a little teaser to keep you you
know intrigued. We ideally are going to have a
special guest in September. So if you're a anything nerd,
Star Wars comics, Marvel, everything you, you're gonna
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wanna stick around for September.
Yes, definitely, yes. But today we are here to talk
about our favorite friendly neighborhood Spider man.
I mean, there's many of them, but.
Too many friends, actually. There's actually in the in the
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words of the fake play in the Schmidt Spider Man 2 too many
Spider Man. Yeah, actual factual.
There's so many, too many to count, possibly more than I even
know of, but we we're we're really getting into the hype of
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I keep wanting to call it no wayhome.
Still, I don't know why I have no way home in my head, but
because the. Drama of No Way Home.
Yeah, and plus they just like flip the script with like the
whole home theme and they're like brand new day.
And I'm like, whoa, I'm not. Ready, I'm not ready.
Has no home to go to Jetta. He has no home.
He's homeless. Spider man colon homeless, that
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would have been. I would have kept the same
theme. Where is he living?
He has like an apartment and everything.
He's got that shitty apartment. Yeah, yeah, like.
OK. Oh, oh, for people who are
listening, Ray is holding the finger up at me.
Can we talk about how, like, look, I know that it's a shitty
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apartment that he's living in, guys.
But here's the thing. He's living in a shitty
apartment in New York. Like he should still not be able
to afford that shitty apartment.No, like, I don't know.
Is he, it's, I assume still Queens 'cause he's always in
Queens, right? So, yeah.
And I can, I'm in New York, not the city, but I'm on Long
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Island. I went to College in Queens.
I am, you know, even having goneto College in Queens, what, 10
years, 15 years ago, the prices are astronomical and today,
forget it. Like it's like the jokes here
about, about friends where it's like, how could a waitress and a
chef afford this even rent controlled apartment in the West
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Village, They couldn't. Like I can't, I can't afford to
eat lunch in the West Village. Like Peter Parker cannot afford,
cannot afford any sort of apartment in Queens.
I'm just putting that out there.Yeah, I'm just like, I don't
think that the Daily Bugle wouldbe like paying him like an
obsessive like excessive like amount for fucking spider Man
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selfies. Like I don't.
Do you think he like got inheritance from Tony Stark?
How? Would he?
How would he get it? No one remembers who the fuck
Peter Parker is. That's true.
What about Aunt May? She might have had something.
Girl she ran a non profit like that's.
True, that's true. Like.
Yes, like good good person points, but she ain't making any
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money. Yeah, these parkers are how the.
Fuck did how the fuck did aunt may afford an apartment as like
A1 salary like household raisinga kid?
We need answers. Marvel, please.
We need. We need.
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Or, or is it like, because like so much like happens in terms of
like global and like alien kind of like disasters in New York
like that? It drives the property value
down. Wait, isn't that like, isn't,
isn't that a plot point in Daredevil where they're like,
oh, the property value's down ever since the incident, like in
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Netflix Daredevil, they, they say that.
I think so, right. So they're like if, if you're
continuing along that continuity, like, I mean,
although in Canon it's been like10 years since since The
Avengers or probably more than that on more than 10 years.
But I don't know, maybe Thanos'sblip like brought down the the
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property value because less people, you know?
The the theme of us just kind ofagreeing with Marvel like
villains. Maybe Thanos was right.
Maybe. He was on to something.
Maybe he's on to something like like.
I'm just, I mean, I'm not sayingthat genocide is OK, but what I
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am saying is that lower propertyprices are OK because then
millennials like me could affordto live in a place that's not a
Peter Parker apartment. It's.
That part, Oh my God. Yeah, we're not saying Thanos
and Ultron were right, but maybethey were kind of they they were
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they were thinking they were innovators.
That's a whole nother episode. But truly as but as we mentioned
all of our all of these Spider Man I, we have prepared each a
list of our five favorite Spiderman correct.
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We have but like unlike you, I have not saved my like photos so
you're gonna see me like in realtime.
Pulling them up photos, well, I had to pull the photos up
because I feel like it's part ofthe experience of who I chose.
I mean, yeah, like the like so. So we both agree that this is
kind of a visual bit. Right, we will, we will.
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We will explain. But for the most part, for the
full effect, you will have to tune in visually.
And maybe, just maybe, if you guys asked nicely, Gabby will
clip this, yes. But Gabby is our video editor.
You have to ask her nicely, offer her.
You have to offer up maybe some cat videos and then you're good
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to go. We we don't know who the other
one chose for their five. So this is 'cause it's a, a
shock for both of us. All right, So do you want to
start with your start backwards like with not your number 5 and
your list can't be your list cannot just be Oscar Isaac for
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the one through 5? Well, that ruined one of the
bits. That ruined one of the potential
bits. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that I'm connected to your brain so much that I knew
that you would have Oscar Isaac as five photos.
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I don't think that anyone would complain, and if they did, I
wasn't taking criticism anyway. I think I'm very funny.
And also Oscar Isaac and also yeah him because like here's The
thing is like when I was thinking about it just like Oh
yeah lol like what if it was just all Miguelo hair and I was
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like that bitch was in fucking aMarvel property 3 * 3 times
every. Everyone needs to get on his
level like. Like he's like, could you?
Imagine being. Real.
He's like Thanos. He's collecting marble
properties like he's got three. He's got what, two more to go?
3 Two more to go. Love that for him we need a.
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Whole episode on him Oscar IsaacOh yeah and his and his marvel
pieces and. His marvel pieces that that's so
valid, that's so real. So yes #5 is is going to be in
fact, baby girl Miguel Ojero. He is baby girl.
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He is baby. Girl, even though he he would be
the one to be like I will crush the spider man till I'm the
spider man. He is.
But also it's like Miguel, you're like probably like the
least spider man of spider man. Like what do you mean you're a
fucking CEO billionaire? What do you mean you're just
Batman Spider man killing what? Did you have no light?
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Did you know that you had to be like on that like poverty line
in order to be spider man? Yeah, no, you have to be you
have to be well under the the poverty line to be Spider Man.
That's just that's just how it is.
And and and that leads into minebecause my first one is Peter B
Parker, who is not the good one.He not only is he most likely
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below the poverty line, but he has thrifted clothes.
He I don't even know if he had an apartment.
I feel like they foreclosed on him.
I don't even know if he had a place to live either.
I think that he had an apartmentlike it was.
It was again a shitty apartment but but again, I'm just like,
how did you afford that shitty apt?
I need more world building for the spider man and their fucking
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jobs because I'm like what do you mean you can afford an
apartment by yourself in fuckingNew York as a photographer for a
news outlet? Well, at least Peter B Parker,
he has been Spider man for a long time, so I would hope that
like, do we? Really think that he got a real
job. Exactly, and he's also paying
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alimony because he's divorced and child support.
I feel I love him, but I just absolutely love Jake Johnson
too. Like it was.
It's just everything about that Spider Man is so great.
No, I do love him. Like I genuinely love him so
much. I love him.
I love I went into into the Spider verse with no
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expectations, not not low. I just didn't know at all what
to expect and I came out of thatmovie like this is one of the
best movies I've seen. It is.
So good. It is so good, like the the
spider verse like ark is like one of my favorite like comic
book events like ever. It's it's it's so bad that like
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most of my favorite like comic book like events are always like
crossovers, because those are. Always fun.
Yes, yes, because like the Flashpoint paradox is like also
like my all time, like favorite,like comic book like event to
come out of like anything, just because it's like so interesting
(22:53):
and so compelling of like how they like gone about alternate
realities. But we're talking about Spider
Man, so I'm trying not to get into ADC.
Tangent, alright? Who's your, Who's your number?
Who's your #4? We're we're, we're pulling it
up. Hold on.
I have to find one that that that gets us here.
Hold on. I just want to like inform you
that mine get increasingly chaotic so.
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Oh, yeah, same, same. Don't worry, don't, don't worry.
And then like when I, when I pull this up, you're going to be
like, Ray, Are you sure? And I was like, don't worry.
It's, it's, it's a part. It's part of everything.
Don't worry. Right, and I would like to say I
was going to put Spider Gwen on my list because I freaking love
her. She is my favorite.
But since we were going with theSpider man, I, I, I had to be a
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little sexist and leave her off the list.
Sometimes you got to be a littlesexist when it comes to a Spider
Man. No, that, that's that.
No, that's valid. That's valid.
Also bring Emma Stone into the MCU as Spider Gwen you cowards.
You brought Andrew Garfield in, now bring in bring in his
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alternate universe dead girlfriend.
Speaking of Andrew Garfield, he actually is my #4 my sweet baby
girl. Oh my God, Andrew Garfield,
you're so dreaming. You're so dreaming.
I could. I could spend a whole hour
talking about Andrew Garfield I.My ultimate favorite thing ever
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is when an actor is so genuinelyexcited to play a superhero.
Like I remember when they had that announcement where Andrew
like demasked himself at Comic Con when like the whole happy,
he was so happy and I was like, you are so cute.
And then like that, that clip ofhim, I don't even know what it
(24:43):
was from, but I've always see the the GIF of it and it's a
clip of him on the street, like taking a picture with a kid.
And then it rips up his mask andit's Andrew Garfield.
Like I, I adore everything abouthim.
Him getting the dollar. Yeah, he got a dollar.
I just he, I don't know. I'm going to go on record right
now and say it. He is and always will be my
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favorite Spider Man. I don't care that I actually
like grew up with Toby. He was like, Toby was like that
came out when I was like 13. So that was like growing up with
Spider Man. And you're still my Andrew's my
favorite. No, I definitely agree.
Like I'm I'm the same way. Like I know that a lot of people
like, don't like his spider Man because like, oh, like he's too
(25:26):
cool to be Peter Parker blow. And I'm just like, shut up.
Let Spider Man be hot. Like let Peter Parker be that
hot fucking nerd. Like fuck off.
And also like that was the same criticism that people got when
they cast Marissa Tomei as Aunt May.
And it's like, why can't Aunt May be hot?
Why do you have to be an old Crone?
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Like spider man is only supposedto be like 16.
Yeah his aunt would probably be in her 40s or 50s.
And why can't cheat? Morissa Tomei is hot like.
Yeah, like, let let people be hot.
Like let nerd ship get yosified,like, it's fine, shut up.
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But wait, can I show you my number four?
Yeah. Andrew Garvey.
Oh my God, He's just, oh, he's just precious baby boy.
Like, I wanted to make you my number one, but for the sake of
comedy, I didn't. Yeah, I just, I just, I can't
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say enough about him. I I'm like, I, you know how
everybody got back on like the hating Christensen train when
Obi Wan was coming out and he was coming back and then acted
like they didn't completely, like trash him for over a
decade? I was like, I have been a hating
Christian since Dan since since episode 2.
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And it's the same with Andrew Garfield.
I stood by his spider man from day one and I never wavered.
And then everybody tried to get back on the train when the news
when No Way Home came back. Right.
Fake fans. Sorry, sorry, I don't mean to
offend anybody, but if you haven't loved Andrew Garfield
for decades then I don't know ifwe could be friends.
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Again, like, even if you don't like him as Spider Man, can you
just like say that he's objectively hot?
Like, yes, that's all that I'm asking for.
Like, I don't like you can, you can have your qualms about his
Spider Man and all of that stuff, but the man's is hot.
And a great actor. Yeah, like one of the best
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scenes of of cinema, in my personal opinion, is the social
Network when he comes in and andsmashes the computer love.
Yeah, that's iconic. He's amazing.
Andrew Garfield, will you pleasecome on our show, our little
please. Please, it's like a little
treat. Please, please, a little treat.
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Truly, truly. Do it for the girls.
Do it for the girls. Thanks.
Do you wanna know my #3? I do wanna know you're #3.
OK my number 3, is that like brief scene in what was it like
season 2 episode 1 of community where Donald?
Glover is stressed. In Spider Man PJS.
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I forgot about that. I completely forgot.
That is so freaking valid. Yes, and even Spider Man, it's
even better because everybody want wanted him to be Miles
Morales. I mean, I know.
Oh my God, I forgot that that isthe thing that happened.
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Coming in with the. Deep cuts.
Well, well, if you want to go deep cut.
Oh God. If you want to go deep cut,
continue on that line. Are you ready?
I see you're Donald Glover in one episode of Community.
And I raise you kidding, I can'tget through the time.
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I raise you Danny DeVito and it's always sunny Halloween
episode I believe. I don't even know if it was the
full scene. I think it just this is the
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spider man I want in my spider verse.
That we have the. Same wavelength of picking just
actors dressed as spider. Not even actors who have played
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spider man except for like 1. Oh my God that was good.
That was. Those were two real good ones
for #3 also, I do I. I do appreciate Danny DeVito as
the trash man as well. Oh.
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My God, it's. Always Sunny is a gem and I love
it. And Danny DeVito for Spider man
just, I'm sorry, Spider versus out there.
Throw him in. Oh my God, who?
Now now, who's your number 2 though?
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I'm scared. I don't think that you should be
scared like I think that even though like my my like list is
is chaotic in format and not like how it should be, but it it
it it it's, it probably like could be more chaotic and it
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could be, it could be, it could be my #2 again, it it's not
nearly as chaotic as it could be, but it's definitely like
we're we're we're getting past like the sun of everything.
But my my second favorite is actually the the Spider Man
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popsicle. Oh my God.
Just. Because does that bitch like
saved my life during San Diego Comic Con?
It's. Not it's an inanimate object.
I love that. That was real good that I I did
not see, did not see the Spider Man popsicle coming.
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That man saved my life like that.
That that's what real heroes areabout.
Right the the biggest, the best spider Man hero is the popsicle.
Actually, this is true. This is true.
My number 2 is so unfortunately I'm breaking the mold and going
back to actual people who are spider man, but it's Toby as the
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man spider or whatever he the human spider or whatever the
hell he was when he did. And he's a wrestling outfit that
really terrible spray painted like he's gonna mug a bank
wrestling outfit that was So he's gonna mug a bank, rob a
bank, mug a guy and rob a bank. He also like I'm looking at this
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picture closer and he has on like a motorcycle gloves like I
don't know what was Sam Raimi was just wild.
He was just. There were no standards for
superhero movies back then. There were no standards.
But listen, Sam Raimi, Sam Raimiset, set the stage and then came
back and did Multiverse of Madness and then all like, you
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can't beat it, can't beat him. He he did Multiverse of Madness,
but he didn't watch one division.
That's another thing that we were talking about.
Sam Raimi slander. I don't want to do that.
But like, but also I, I don't think that it's slander, I think
it's holding him accountable. Right.
Like if you're gonna do Multiverse of Madness, you have
to know why Wanda does what she does.
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And it's not for bad reasons. It's actually like I would have
done the same if I were Wanda. Yeah.
Like if I had if I had kids and my kids disappeared because of
my magic, I'm also going to tearapart the multiverse and find
them. Like I'm going to do it and not
be a villain, but good for her for being a villain too.
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My number 2 is the cowboy spiderman with his spider man horse
because everyone wants Pedro Pascal to voice him and I think
that he should so that he and Miguel can kiss.
We here on STEM Splaining are gonna keep talking about ways in
which Oscar Isaac and Pedro Pascal could possibly kiss, and
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there are so many easy ways for it to be done.
If people weren't cowards. Yeah, yeah, I, we're, we're
giving you the road map to make that happen, right.
And all of them I think would bein character for either of them.
And and that would even be in animated form.
So if you don't wanna like, actually like, make the actress
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kiss. Make the spider man kiss, make
the spider man kiss, make the spider man kiss.
Just saying would would they both be like upside down and
doing the spider man kiss upsidedown?
They're both upside down though.Like not just one, like both of
them are upside down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How that works I don't know, butI would love to see it.
Yes. So was this my number one right?
I did everybody else, yes, My number one, if I can click it is
this is your Japanese spider man.
Japanese spider man is wild. Look at him.
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He's got a gun. He has a gun and he's not afraid
to use it. And he and every clip you see is
just increasingly chaotic, like it's just just Japanese Spider
Man hits differently. Give Spider Man a gun.
Give Marvel, you cowards, give Spider Man a gun.
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Wait, that was my number one. That was my #1.
Did you already do 5? I feel like we didn't do do 5
already. Yeah.
My number my my number 5 was Peter B Parker.
That was Peter B Parker, Andrew Garfield, Danny DeVito, Human
Spider, and then it's Japanese Spider Man.
So now you have to do your number one.
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Oh, I have to do my #1. Yeah.
Well, my number one is Lego Spider Man and Across the Spider
verse because I think that it's really cool, like cool that they
brought in the young, like 14 year old at the time animator to
do those scenes. Oh, I agree with that.
Yes, like, yeah. So it's like, I think that it's
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really great. And kind of like what he
represents, like, overall as theidea of, like, encouraging young
creators to keep creating and showing them like, hey, yeah,
like keep doing this and it willopen the doors that it needs to.
And people are seeing what they need to.
So that is why he's my #1. I like that.
That was a a very heartwarming #1 And I'd also point, I also
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think it's really, really funny that Tom Holland didn't make
either of our lives. Here's the thing.
I love Tom Holland. I really do.
And, and like, I like overall, like I thoroughly love his
Spider Man and I love his Peter Parker, but that's an Eppo baby.
Yeah. That that's a Nepho.
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Baby, yeah, he he didn't have, you know, I mean, it's the
implied origin Uncle Ben story. But like he was already over
that. Like he already had grieved and
moved on when when Tony Stark swept in and was just like, hey,
here's some money. Also wanna fight Captain America
with me like. Yeah.
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Also that didn't let me tell yousomething about Let me.
Here I go. Oh God.
That annoys me because Peter Parker would never fight Steve
Rogers. Like it.
It was only because Tony Stark was like, I have a lot of money
and I want to upgrade you and take you to Germany to meet The
Avengers. And he was like, Peter was like
a fangirl, right. But in reality, which, valid.
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Yeah. I mean, same.
I would do the same thing, but. But then I'd switch sides.
I'd be like, there's Captain Bucky and I'd like go, like,
done. But in reality, Peter never
would. He would be like, we're two
homies from New York and you're Captain America, let's hang out
in Coney Island. That's what would.
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Happen. No, I totally agree.
I I I think that like if he was given the context of like, oh,
why are you guys fighting this, this COVID accords?
What are those? Oh, they don't want vigilantes.
I don't kind of like. My whole thing.
No, I don't. I, I think that like, we're,
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we're kind of like on opposing sides here, Mr. Stark.
Yeah, they didn't even give him any context, now that I got it.
Like, Tony Stark for real just kidnapped a teen who had
superpowers that he saw on the Internet and was like, go beat
the shit out of Captain America for me.
Like, literally. And Peter was like, OK.
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Oh my God, like you should automatically know that Captain
America is probably on the rightside.
Like, like he's most likely on the the correct side, right?
Oh, that was Tony Stark. You messed up bro.
But you know what? I too might, might just just
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kind of change my whole, like, way of thinking if like Tony
Stark was like, hey, yeah, do doyou wanna come do this thing
with me? I'm just saying, yeah, I do.
Yeah, I would also go, but I would use him and his and his
dirty money to go and escape with with Captain America and
Bucky. But then like the but then like
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the flip side of that is you have to go to Siberia with them
and face off against Zemo. But Daniel Bruhl is so cute.
Oh, like, he's so cute. Yeah, he did.
He was doing a lot of murder. And like he's.
Just he's just a, he's just a silly little guy.
He's just a guy doing his thing.Like like I, I have a whole, I
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think Zemo himself. It could be a whole can of worms
because in my personal opinion he was the most effective
villain in all of Marvel and he's just a dude.
I know he's. Just a dude.
He's just a dude who's pissed off and mourning, and he's the
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best villain that they've. Had and I think like that's kind
of what's exciting about brand new Day being St. level yeah,
like it's no longer like these global like events or anything
like this. Like it's for the most part,
like they're kind of just dudes who got fucked by science.
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Right. And even even like homecoming,
it's still even though it was like, I guess you could say
ground level, it still had a like heavy-handed Tony Stark
involved. And even even the Vulture was
like still part of like the event connected to The Avengers
and the aliens, But but it was Michael Keaton.
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So that was pretty, pretty damn cool.
Like that was really cool, like.I'm just like, I kind of really
hate that we got teased for likethe Sinister 6, but we've yet to
get the Sinister 6 and I'm worried that we're going to
close out the MCU without ever getting them for Tom's run.
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And I'm just like, fuck. See.
But it wasn't. Isn't there a rumor going around
that this is a scorpion? Right?
He's one of them. Yeah.
Isn't there a rumor going aroundthat he was seen on set for
Brand New Day? I think I've seen that.
Yeah, I think I saw that. So like I, I'm trying to be a
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good little moviegoer and kind of like avoid spoilers because
like that's kind of like one of the things like I'm kind of
getting like fatigued with like set photos and like leaks and
stuff like that. Like even with all of the stuff
that we're seeing coming out of Glasgow, like it's really cool
and I love that we're getting like practical swinging for
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Spider Man and it looks really awesome, but I don't wanna see
like the whole movie before I even see the fucking movie.
Right, I think that's, I think the set photos is what I'm
thinking of 'cause I, I could bemistaken and like, please
correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.
But I think one of the set photos cause like he's on, they
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keep showing him Peter on a tankand I think there's the symbol
on it is a scorpion. I, I, I, I'm not sure I could be
making this up, but I'm almost positive because it, it struck
me thinking, oh, Senator 6, but I wouldn't put it past them to
just like make the scorpion the villain and not include the
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Senator 6. Like just how Vulture was the
villain right now, I don't know.But isn't there also rumors that
like Mr. Negative is going to, like, be in there?
Yeah. And who was it that they said
might be it was somebody really good that might be you have you
have to check my check to me. Let's check our sources who Mr.
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Negatives rumor was because I was really excited about that I
not trust. Yeah, like, OK, so like here's
my thing is that like I think like it's really fun to like
talk about like theories and like that's kind of like why we
talk about what we what we talk about and what we're going to
talk about on this podcast. I don't think that they that
news outlets have any like business covering like fan
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theories, fan casting. Like he just kind of feels like
we're scraping like the jar likefor content.
And it's like, if you don't haveanything interesting to say
about the endless amounts of like source material, then maybe
we shouldn't be doing what we should like what we're doing.
Like it because it just at that point it just feels like click
bait. Like you can say like, like put
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it in title of like fan casting and stuff like that, but it's
like, is it really news? Right, It's it's honestly like
as somebody who you know, works in in that field, it's a lot of
it is also algorithm. You know, it's same thing with
like podcasting, like what is going to kind of take off.
And I think Daniel Dakim, the reason I just actually looked it
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up to and it was on comicbook.com.
You can follow me there for my writings.
Comicbook.com had a quote from him.
Like addressing addressing. Rumors.
Yeah, so it's just a rumor, but I would love to see Daniel Dakim
in the MCUI. Love him so much.
Like, like when they cast him asthe Fire Lord, I was like,
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excuse me? I was like.
Excuse me? They're not supposed to make me
thirsty over the fire Lord like.I mean, I mean.
Like he was that that was not not fair.
That was that was thirsty. But I do like going back to the
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street level stuff. I do like that.
I'm a little upset that they're pretending that Scotland is New
York, like film in New York, film in New York, You, you
cowards. But anyway, right.
I like the the fact that it's St. level and I like that his
suit is not a techie suit. They're they're it's just like a
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it's kind of very reminiscent ofAndrew Garfield's.
Like it's that. Yeah, regular spider man suit.
Yeah, so that's nice to see. And there was something else
that I wanted to say. Oh, the street level thing also
makes sense with the fact that they're bringing in the
Punisher. So.
Right. Like if it's also just like,
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hey, so if we're going to get Punisher, does that mean we're
going to get red 100%? They go together.
They go together, Yeah, like. You're going to tell me that the
Punisher is going to be around and Matt Murdock isn't going to
have anything to say about it. Yeah, you're telling me the
Punisher is going to be trying to get a teen vigilante to
probably kill people and that Matt isn't going to swoop in and
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be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second here, Frank.
We got to kill this guy, Peter. OK, Mr. Castle, I just need that
to be the whole plot of the movie.
It's actually not even about Spider Man.
It's about the fact that the Punisher like that like Frank
finds Spider Man and then like it's Frank and Matt fighting
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over his like his whole. Battle of fucking Spider Man.
No, you can't. You can't have, especially with
because when does Brand New Day come out?
Next July. Yes.
I think it's next. It's definitely next summer.
So I think it, I think it's coming out like, is it, do I
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have to pull up the map again? I I'm almost positive it's July
of next year, I think so I'm. Pretty sure it's July next year.
And then I think, yeah, so we would.
And then doomsday. And then doomsday, yeah.
Yeah, because, well, usually they will also will release
something big in July around SanDiego Comic Con, and it makes
sense that it would be Spider Man next year.
But like we were saying earlier,Season 2, a Daredevil comes out
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in March. Right.
So whatever events you know happen there are gonna have to
tie into Spider Man because Frank is a big part of season 2.
A daredevil considering Frank. Because then we're also good.
Because. They jumped out of the out of
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the building together, yes. And then they went with Karen.
I don't know what. They're sorry, I was just too
distracted about the idea of Karen Page getting 2 boyfriends,
which I think that she should beallowed to have.
But I just think it's also not fair.
Yeah, but like, if it's going tobe anybody, I think that I'd
want it to be Karen. I know that you don't like
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Karen, but like, I like Karen more than I like Electra.
I'm sorry. I know, I know, I'm sorry.
I there's a lot of hot takes forElectra in this house.
I'm OK with Karen and Frank. I think it's better because she
she like, he like challenges hermore.
And I think that Matt is kind oflike a pussy when it comes to
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when it comes to Karen. And I am a Matt Murdock stand.
I will, I will stand on businesswhen it comes to Matt Murdock.
But I think he's like, he's all like, oh, like Karen.
And then electric comes and he'slike, yeah, let's go do crime.
And I'm like, yes, that's my Daredevil.
That's my that's the Daredevil Isigned up for.
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I think like my thing is that like I, I, I get that I do and
like I, I love when a woman can just make a man his absolute
worst. I do, but I also, but I also
like how Karen kind of like brings Matt back to Matt instead
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of Matt feeling like a costume for like the Daredevil persona.
Like so it's like kind of letting him stay true to like
the life that he's built and continues to build and covets
and really takes a lot of pride in.
Whereas like Electra doesn't respect that aspect of Matt
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whatsoever. And she like basically says that
she doesn't respect it. And it's like, but this is like
she wants exactly. And like, that's fine, but it's
also like Matt has a whole life that he's built without her and
she's just not in the space to respect that and adapt to that.
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But I, I also like the Matt and Karen dynamic because I think
that it like it challenges both of them in ways that they need
to be challenged where it's likeMatt needs to kind of get out of
his own like self righteousness and like see that Karen, who he
perceives as this very pure, like being is capable of dark
things. And Karen herself kind of like
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needs to be able to forgive herself for the things that she
has done for the sake of survival and like who has, who
she's been and like who she's trying to be.
And I think like, that's where Ilike their dynamic more than I
like Matt and Electra is where it's just like, I feel like Matt
is just always in a state of trying to fix Elektra and make
her a better person instead of it like kind of playing off of
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each other. But I also haven't read a lot
into Electra because. I just don't like Electra.
Well, old Matt and his, you know, Catholic guilt.
Trying to fix people makes sense.
But I did just write down in my notes for an episode the many
girlfriends of Matt Murdock, because I think that in and of
itself, he is the bloodiest he is.
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Of the MCU, he. He is the biggest slot in the
MCU and I will stand by that. I think I did.
And I think I actually wrote an article about like 5-5
girlfriends who lived in five who died.
So that's like 10 right there, like.
So yes, like he's a slut, but also it's like if if man was out
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here rising me while like being able to monitor my heartbeat in
order to like gauge my reaction to like the things that he's
saying, like I'm sorry, but thatwould work on.
Me and he's so cute. He's just so handsome.
Charlie Cox, we love you. Oh, Oh my gosh.
So my favorite story. I think I probably have told you
this before, but this is my, again, my play.
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Charlie Cox, please come on and talk to us, even though you're
notoriously adverse to, I think,these kind of public
appearances. That's so valid though, we love
that. I do love that, but I also
really think that if he's gonna do public appearance, this is
where to do it, where it's just unhinged and not a huge, not a
huge. Following So I we won't even
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talk about Daredevil, we'll justtalk about Stardust.
How about that? Yeah, we could do that.
That's fine. We can talk about literally
everything else but this. We don't have to talk about
anything that you've even been in.
We can talk about like you love Andrew Garfield.
Why don't we have an episode about Andrew Garfield, but we
have Charlie Cox on? Yeah.
Yeah, like that. Would be amazing.
And if someone else there is listening, if someone in
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production or casting is out there listening and if you can
like somehow make this happen, please, please, just for the
bit, Just for the bit. But my, my, my Charlie Cox story
is I actually it was like 2. It was two years ago.
What are we in 2025 S forth? So 2023 it was New York Comic
Con 2023 and I was walking from Penn Station to the Javid Center
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and it's about like 10-11 blocksSt. shot.
And my my best friend was with me and we were walking and I see
a guy on the same sidewalk as mecoming close to me.
And I'm like, that's Charlie Cox.
Like he's just in like plain clothes.
And I'm like, and I like, did a double take.
And I kind of looked, I like, looked at him.
He looked at me and he was like,please don't say it.
Like it was like, it was, I could like read him.
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I could read him where he's like, yeah, it's, it's me.
But just. And I was like, don't.
I was like, OK. And like the fact that he passed
and I waited a beat and my friend was talking and I was
ignoring her 'cause I was like, that's just Charlotte Cox.
And then I turned to her. I'm like, I think that we just
passed Charlie Cox. And then like later that that
night she texted me and she texted me a picture of him
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'cause he had actually been at the con.
And she's like, yeah, that was him.
This is his outfit. And it makes it even better that
it was in Hell's Kitchen that like, I ran into him in Hell's
Kitchen, like. Of all places to be, bro.
Like what are you like? What are you doing?
You didn't want to get noticed and yet you're in, you're,
you're in your house. Like what are you what?
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That's a Matt Murdock move for sure for.
Real. It's just like what?
But like, I really, really, really love, I think it's I
think it's Mark Wade's Daredevil, where he has, I
don't, I could be wrong, but where he crosses over and has
spider man in it. I love when spider man and
Daredevil team up. So I really hope brand new day
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does that because like the dynamic is so funny.
The dynamic is so good. It's like tired uncle and like
ADHD nephew. It's so funny.
It's so good. Yeah, I just remembered the one
panel and and this one panel andMatt is like I think he's on a
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date or something. And spider man just swoops down.
He's like I need some dare help.And Matt's not even in in his
costume like I need. So I need the street level
spider man to basically be like like the defenders plus spider
man. I would love that.
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I, I, I just want Jessica Jones to like, fucking be so annoyed
with Peter Parker. She's going to like institute
time out for him like she would be like, or she would love him.
It would go one way or the other.
She'd either be like I can't stand this stupid kid or he
needs to be protected at all costs.
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I think it's more likely to likebe the former, probably.
Plus the dynamic between JessicaJones and Matt Murdoch was that
was a chef kiss in The Defenders.
So glad. To have her back so bad.
We need her back. She returns to save the day.
Nice ears. They're horns.
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With his stupid this her scarf around his face.
Matthew. You look like an idiot.
It's your scarf. They had the best dynamic.
I wonder how much of that was scripted and how much was just
them like just go just going offeach other.
But I really hope that, like I said this on on the last on the
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last episode, that I feel like brand new day is kind of like
the springboard for Doomsday. And if they are going to finally
bring in the street level heroeslike Daredevil and Jessica Jones
and Frank, since they haven't, you know, they haven't confirmed
if Luke Cage or Iron Fist were coming back, at least those
three. If they're going to bring them
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into the movies, that's the springboard to do it.
Is is spider man? Defenders plus Spider Man.
Defenders plus Spider man, Yeah.Honestly, the more that you say
it, the more like more that it would make sense to actually do
it that way. But then again, it's the MCU.
When has it ever been like? I mean, it is, it is, it is like
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Spider Man's movie. But the whole thing with
Daredevil at least, like obviously it's going to depend
on what happens in Season 2 of Daredevil.
But like, Fisk has outlawed the vigilantes.
So like, what does this mean forSpider Man operating in New
York? Like this is a big question
mark. Right.
Although I don't think anyone seemed to really give a crap
(57:18):
when the Thunderbolts just rolled up and did their thing.
Fisk was on vacation that day. Is Valentina a billionaire?
Yeah, she could do what she wants also.
Yeah. So.
So she's Julia Louie Dreyfus. She's Julia Louie Dreyfus.
She could do like, whatever. She could tell anyone what to
(57:38):
do. Yeah, she can just do whatever
she wants. I think Fisk would listen to
her. I think he'd be like, all right,
fair. You know what?
OK, just this one time, I'll letyou let Bob in.
We'll finally be able to watch Thunderbolts like towards the
end of the month here. Oh, is that when it's coming
(57:58):
out? Yeah, I think so.
I think that it's going to be onDisney Plus like on the 27th.
Oh my God. OK, I haven't seen it, but I
know what happens. So that's how I know I.
Also know what happens like the Internet doesn't know how to
shut up but. We should watch it together.
I think so too. I think that that would be good.
And then we could do a Thunderbolts episode.
(58:20):
And I just will warn you right now that that's gonna get into a
Bucky Barnes episode. And then we're just gonna be
like, where's Alpine? Like where?
Where is she? Yeah.
We can the pets of the MCU is also something that I did the
list on and I really, really wanted to make Alpine number
one. But lucky, such a dog.
(58:42):
Lucky the Pizza Dog exists, and Lucky is just the bestest,
bestest boy. And I'm I'm unfortunately a
cosmos like Stan so. Cosmo is good too, yeah.
It's a heck and a good dog. Oh, Speaking of, I mentioned
this earlier. I teach this earlier.
Speaking of articles I've written and Spider Man, I have
one that is in the works. It's it's just waiting to be
(59:05):
published. And the title or the theme is
basically is Uncle was Uncle Ben's death really a wait on
Spider Man? Like, did it make him less of a
hero than it could have been? It should have.
And my argument was, yeah, like Uncle Ben saddling Peter with
(59:29):
the whole with great power comesgreat responsibility.
And the guilt of inaction leading to Uncle Ben's death
completely makes Spider Man pullpunches and hold back.
And and like, you know, he, he couldn't be like Daredevil, like
he couldn't be like, he can't dothat.
(59:49):
He's always limited because of that guilt.
I think it also like poses the question of like how how heroic
and altruistic is like this, like former self sacrifice that
Peter imposes on himself, Like how how heroic is that actually?
Like, because yes, it's like coming from like this place of
(01:00:11):
like, yeah, I want to like be like a good person, everything,
but it's like. When does it just become
self-destructive? When, when, when does it stop
being heroic? And when does it just become
self-destructive? Because so often in like runs,
you see Peter doing like all these really heroic things.
And you see him put everything else like above the things that
(01:00:32):
like he needs in his life and like the things that are
important to him personally. And it's just like, I think that
in a way it kind of makes him like put himself in his own like
way of, no, I don't want to say that like being like above
people, but it's like isolated. Yeah.
(01:00:55):
Like it's just like you're imposing self isolation onto
yourself by denying these like, kind of like selfish, like
things that you want and that you should be prioritizing for
your own, like individual happiness.
And it's like, is that actually a good thing in like, a heroic
trait that you should strive for?
And like, I don't think so. Like, I don't think that that
(01:01:18):
makes him a better or worse hero, but it's like, how
damaging is that for Peter Parker as an individual human
being And like. He basically sacrifices
sacrifices his everything personal for the superhero life
and that's all stems back to Uncle Ben.
(01:01:39):
Right. So it's like, I wonder if like
if Uncle Ben had still been around, if he would be able to
teach Peter more of a balance instead of being like with great
response, with with great power comes great responsibility.
Like, yes, that's a great line, but it's like when you're
(01:02:00):
telling that to a teenager who is going to take that as an
absolute, that is so damaging. It is so damaging and then in a
way, like, I mean, this might sound bad, but then it limits
him as a hero as well because sometimes heroes have to get
their hands dirty and it's for the greater good.
(01:02:20):
Like, and that's something I know I keep going back to
Daredevil, but that's something that he, he does, you know, he
even has his own, you know, codeof ethics cause with his
Catholicism. But even with that, he still
knows that, you know what, to save this group of people, I
have to cross this line. And that's unfortunately the
(01:02:43):
superhero life. Like a lot of them, you know,
they have their code of conduct.They have their moral compass,
but there are times when it has to be crossed because you're
saving a city of people or, you know, the villain is gonna set
off an atomic bomb. I don't know, Like, you need to.
Sometimes you gotta kill people.Sometimes you gotta, sometimes
(01:03:07):
you gotta do a little murder. Sometimes, sometimes you need to
do a little murder. Right.
Because then it's like you fall into like the issue with Batman
where it's like, cool, yeah, you're like, you're not killing
these villains and you're tryingto rehabilitate them.
(01:03:28):
And that's awesome. But clearly they don't want to.
It just makes it worse. Yeah, so it's so so it really
much is asking that question of just like when do you need to
like cross that line? And it's like Spider Man doesn't
kill people. And that's like the big like
defining thing about Spider Man.And so it's like, like you said,
(01:03:52):
it is hindering him as a hero. Yeah, and like Daredevil,
Daredevil doesn't kill people, but he, he, he takes them out
enough that he takes, you know, he, he may, he may not kill
them, but he, he goes the messages.
Then he goes further than Peter will.
(01:04:12):
Like he goes to the point where they're not going to operate
anymore. But Peter won't even he won't
even go that length. That's why I think it's gonna be
real wild to see Frank Castle thrown into the mix because
Frank, I mean, Frank has a code.Like he's not just a obviously
like we joke who is gonna let's kill this guy.
He has a code. He does things for a reason and
(01:04:35):
target people for a reason. But he is like so opposite than
Peter. So like it's really interesting
to see where that's gonna, how that's gonna line up.
Yeah. I think like that's, it'll kind
of like I at least I hope, I hope that it really just kind of
challenges the idea of responsibility and what that
(01:04:56):
looks like. Because like in a way, like
Frank is imposing his own sense of responsibility of just like
there are bad people that need to be taken care of.
And if I need to be that person that takes care of it because no
one else will, that is my responsibility.
Right. And he and he doesn't care.
Like, whatever. If society sees me as a monster,
I'll take on being a monster. But I am keeping people safe,
(01:05:19):
you know? Exactly.
But and now he's gonna have to deal with with two vigilantes
who won't kill anybody. He's gonna be so mad.
He's gonna be so upset. But he's got Jessica.
She'll she'll be like, I'll, I'll, I'll kill someone with
you. Let's go.
Frank is just like mine, used togo to war.
(01:05:42):
Oh, goodness. Well, I mean, I think we've,
we've, we've spider man all overthe place.
It's a verb. We've Spider man up and down
these walls. Please.
Hold, please. Hold.
Hold on, Hold on. I'm hold on.
(01:06:09):
Oh, there it is. OK.
Please please. Stop it.
That is not what I meant when I said we Spider Man all over the
place. I just meant we talked a lot
about Spider Man. We've we've talked a lot.
Phrasing. There's and you know what, like
(01:06:30):
we still like didn't talk about like 90% of the Spider Man, but
it's OK. This will be like Spidey, too
many spider man Part 1 of question mark.
Yeah, like I totally agree. There's just so much we can.
(01:06:51):
I mean, but we did get the Spider Man popsicle in there.
So that's that's a win on my part.
Again, homie saved my life. You can't go wrong with the
Spider Man popsicle. I know it's freak too, like.
Well, on that note, friends, listeners, again, thank you for
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