Film Folk Lore Presents: Yo, Adrian! Rocky I

We have arrived at the start of our summer miniseries “Yo, Adrian!” and we’re having a blast diving down the rabbit hole that is the Rocky universe, now known as the Rockyverse™️. Whether you’re already a fan or you’re ready to plunge into this as a newbie, join Justin Sound, Heather Rae Costumes, Toni Camera, and Jed Props as we breakdown all 9 installments of the Rocky franchise, starting now with Rocky I! So grab some popcorn, boxing gloves, pet turtles, and your alcoholic brother, because it’s time for “Yo, Adrian!

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Episode Transcript

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Hello film friends, friends of film and everyone in between. Welcome to our inaugural episode

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of our summer mini series, Yo Adrian. I am here with Justin Sound, friend of the podcast
Heather Ray Costumes and introducing our friend and fellow Rocky lover, Tony Camera. Yo. Hello
everybody. Everybody good? Everybody ready for this? Oh, so ready. I can't wait. All
right. Let's get some music going. Hey yo Mickey, hit the theme. All right everyone.

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Oh man, I tell you what, that music gets me every time. Before we get any further, just
real quick research for today's episode comes from Wikipedia, YouTube, IMDB, the bonus features
of the Rocky Blue Ray collection and of course the movie Rocky One. But enough of my tomfoolery.
Let's jump in. So Rocky One, much like the story of Rocky Balboa, the first movie was

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made on a budget of hopes and prayers as Heather Ray alluded to. I don't want to spend too
much time on this, but some quick notes in regard to the shoestring budget. A non-union
crew from New York shot in Philly. Some work was done on stage in LA. They had no craft
service. That means no coffees, no little packs of peanuts or anything like that. Pizza

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every day if they were lucky. Yeah. They ate pizza practically every day for lunch. There
was no video village, no director chairs or anything like that from a typical film. They
had no camera rigs for cars. They actually tied a cameraman to a car with rope at one
point as we saw in the bonus features. The street wet downs were achieved for free with

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neighbors throwing buckets of water into the street. The movie was made for less than $1
million and to date has grossed just shy of $120 million. So is that all? Oh, just Rocky
One. I mean, okay, that makes sense. Okay. In fairness, I never know how to judge that
stuff because inflation is happening. So are you taking like the earlier proceeds and just

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calling them at their face value? I mean, and a million dollars, I mean, still a million
dollars in 1976 to make it is still pretty, it's still, I mean, it's a lot more than a
million dollars in today's dollars, but it's still pretty low for a movie. Yeah. Even in
then. Yeah. And just to give people, I guess I just want to give people an idea of what

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the limited budget was. But anyway, so let's get into this. So one at a time, let's start
with Tony, why not? Give us an update on how you felt rewatching one this time. Same as
before? Yeah, about the same. Still love it. Heather, right? I mean, it's the first one.

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It's the I mean, it's the best. It's I mean, it sets everything up for the next, what 40
years of Rocky related movies. I mean, it it touches the heart. There's a reason why
one best picture, it won best music, right? Best picture, best director, best editing.

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And you know what they went up against that year? They went up against Network, Bound
for Glory, All the President's Men and Taxi Driver. Oh, wow. Oh, let's put a pin in Bound
for Glory because that's going to come up in trivia. And did you know Harvey Keitel
who was in Taxi Driver was Sylvester Stallone wanted him to play Polly originally. Which

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that would have been an interesting. I feel like I feel like if Harvey Keitel was Polly,
it would have been too intimidating. Like Rocky. Some buffoonery and Burt Young just
brings that so beautifully. Who was also a boxer. He won 17 bouts. He was trained by
Cus DeMato who trained Mike Tyson. Yeah, he fought against Muhammad Ali as well. Oh, shit.

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I know that. So Justin, we'll get more into your full take later since this is all first
time watching for you. But can you kind of tease us a little of your initial reaction
and general thought after seeing Rocky one for the first time? Yeah, I'm pumped. I'm
just absolutely pumped. I rewatched it with a with a, you know, a very critical set of

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eyes because the first time I watched it was very, you know, I just kind of it was pretty
much in passing. You know, I was maybe doing the dishes and other things at the time. But
the first time you watch it, you just got to watch it for pleasure. Yeah, it was it
was a sit down and I was glued the whole time. Yeah, and I loved it. I'm in the club now.

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That's why we have to have our secret handshake. We need to come up with the Rocky handshake.
It'll be boxing related, obviously. Yeah. Well, I hate I have an idea for it already.
Do we say, oh, I pity the fool after we do it. Hey, yo, hey, yo. We can we can come to

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the vote by the end of this episode. So we're going to take a little look at real life Stallone.
I'm just calling it a Stallone mirror. But a little quick background on where he was
at this time in 75. He was 29 years old. He was a little known struggling actor. I learned

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his middle name was garden zio Sylvester start garden zio Stallone. I believe he is of Italian
descent, right? It's I would imagine. Okay, just just a wild guess. And actually Stallone
is Italian for Stallion. Yes, it is. And also, did you know that when he was being born,

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his mother was having complications, and the doctor has used force to get him out. Oh,
yeah. And caused a nerve damage in his face. That's why he has a droopy. I believe it's
his lower left side of his face and kind of helps him with his snarl look. That's not
my words. I read that. But anyway, around this time, he went and watched a boxing match

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between Muhammad Ali and Chuck Wepner. And three days later, he had his first draft of
rocky one. Even though it would go through a lot of rewrites, he saw Chuck Wepner as
the inspiration for the rocky character. And Erwin Winkler and Robert chart of producers
took an interest in the script and offered sly $350,000 for the rights. He had Robert

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Redford or Burt Reynolds in mind to star that would have been a different movie and Ryan
O'Neill and James con. Oh, I didn't know. Con makes sense. I didn't know about Ryan.
I could see con possible not Redford. Yeah, no way. Too blonde. And you don't want to
mess up that mug that beautiful. Anyway, I think Robert Redford was actually they wanted

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him to play Al Pacino's part in Godfather as well. Oh, stop it. I'm not joking. Okay.
That's absurd. Yeah. Although this feels like a time period that anyone could claim that
they reached out to Robert Redford for a part. I mean, this is it's like the Tom Hanks of
today's world. Yeah, I mean, we reached out to Hanks. Anyway, so Stalin wouldn't give

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up the rights unless he was the lead. And this agreement is what partially attributed
to a much smaller budget. Because basically by not having that a list actor, they shaved
off a chunk of the money to allow this to happen. Well, the reason why I mean, he wrote
this for himself because he was getting typecast and all these different things and as the

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thug, you know, and he was like, well, I'm gonna just write it for myself. And he was
like, he was adamant. I mean, the money just kept going up and up and up. And it did top
off at like 350 grand for it. But he was like, I would rather bury this in the backyard and
let the caterpillars play rocky than Oh, his let somebody else play this part. Don't know
what his salary was. It's pretty funny. He took all points. So he took like 30 grand

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or something like that or 20 grand. No, he took like 1% What was it was 1% of the gross
and 2% of the would it be the not the residuals? Because I would still be anyway, he took like
a very small fraction, which is sort of like rolling the dice. But because the movie did
so well, 22 million, the gamble. Yeah, the gamble paid off because he only got paid like

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$350 a week. Right. Yeah. I think and what Talia Shire was like 7500 for the whole movie.
I'm not sure. Yeah, she had just finished Godfather and Godfather Godfather two as well.
And she wasn't even they didn't even want her they wanted share. Oh, yeah, share. Oh,
there's somebody else was actually share Susan Sarandon. Yeah, but she was too sexy. Yeah,

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Susan Sarandon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you imagine bet Midler is Adrian? Absolutely.
I actually I can but it's it's much more of a comedy. Oh, for sure. And that Carrie Snodgrass
Snodgrass Snodgrass. They wanted her but she was too busy with Neil Young, I suppose.
I don't know. Well, she wanted more money. Yeah. They were like, Nope. And then Talia

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Shire last minute stepped in and she just does it so beautifully. I mean, she's got
such a way about her and all of these movies and her evolution throughout. Mm hmm. Which
we will get to Justin. She fell in love with the character right away. I mean, she's and
because she said that it mirrored who she was in high school. And like, that's what
she based this character on is like, just the shyness of a high school person that just

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didn't have friends and didn't, you know, super shy because that's the way she was.
So she clamped on right right away. Right away. So as we all know, all these gambles
paid off because the movie was hugely successful. And and what I'd like to do next is let's

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take a minute to talk about it doesn't have to be necessarily like the pinnacle but just
one favorite moment that you really loved in the movie. And we'll go around and if someone
steals yours, just come up with another one because there's plenty. So I want to actually
start this with Justin. Since you were the fresh eyes on it. What was something in the

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movie that you especially fell in love with or something that you really were like, Oh,
that was awesome. There's two things. I got two things. That's fine. Two is fine. I'm
gonna cheat. It's a tie. It's a tie that you can't break. It's his love for animals. One,
all his turtles and fish and when he gets butt kiss. And then and then the second, which

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is also my part of my suggestion for possible handshake is, is, is these moments when he's,
he's just standing around having a random conversation. He could be talking to Adrian.
He could be talking to the secretary at a park or the the promoter's office and things

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like that. But he's just standing around and he's just, you know, he's just air punching.
Yeah, it's just like just second nature. He doesn't realize he's doing it. And he's, he's
just doing it to these ladies and stuff like that and the kids. And yeah, I think those,
those were kind of my favorite moments. Well, but cause he, I mean, he, that was his actual

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dog that he had to sell. I sold it for like 40 bucks and bought it back for like three
grand after his car and his dog. Yeah. Yeah. Because he couldn't, right, right. His wife
was pregnant. Like he had like a hundred dollars to his name. Like he was living his, yeah,
it was crazy. Some foster care person made a nice little profit for that little dog there.

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It was, he said $40 to $250. No, to three grand. He paid three grand, three grand to
get that dog back. And he was in the first and second movie and passed away before the
third one. So that's your general note. And he still has those turtles. I'll watch any
of your animals for you and you can buy them back for an increased price. So Heather, give

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us something from Rocky one that especially dear to you. God, it's so hard to pick just
one. But I mean, when Mickey comes to Rocky's door and base after just shitting on him,
basically, for the first part of the movie and he gets his shot and Mickey is like, I

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want it. Like I never had, like I gave up my shot and I never had my shot and you have
it. And you know, and it kind of turns and I get why Rocky's pissed because he's like,
you do this now. Now you do this, you know, and as I was researching all this stuff, I
realized that that was all improvised. That whole thing between Mickey when he's yelling

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at him through the door, all improvised and it was based on his real dad and this relationship
with his real dad. And it was just so true and visceral and like, and you know, and Mickey's
I mean, Merge is Meredith. I mean, good God, nobody else could have played that part and
just like found the humor and the humanity. And yeah, I mean, like I said, so many parts,

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but this that that scene really gets me. Oh yeah, it's a wonderful scene. It's a beautiful
scene. Didn't they only get like, and the fact that the afterward where he Rocky chases
him down the street, they made a really smart choice, not having the voice, like what was
said, it was just all body language and it was just so clear and so beautiful. And it

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really shows who Rocky is too. It's you know, how he's so forgiving and he's so you know,
he just wants connection, but he doesn't know how to do it. He's been a fighter his whole
life, you know, he's been a fighter. But I'm gonna say one part of my thing is like, he's
not he's not like a regular boxer portrayed in movies, you know, he's, he's left, he's

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definitely more kind hearted and sweet and sensitive. And I love how he does that with
Adrian when he when he meets her and brings her out of her shell a little bit and he she
brings him out of his exactly and her arc later on is just amazing. We'll start talking
really about that in two. I think my favorite part is that he doesn't win. No, you can't

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win. I mean, that's because it's not about winning. It's about going the distance. It's
about kind of win. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. He doesn't officially win. He doesn't win the title every
movie before that there's always the winner. The under you know, they always win. And it's
just like, it's so refreshing to see that to be like, Oh, okay. Well, the original ending

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was supposed to be like he wasn't even supposed to be in the ring for the the end of it. He
was just going to get like after he did not win, he was going to walk out. And if you
look at the poster of the original Rocky, you see the silhouette, silhouette ish of
Adrian and Rocky and that was going to be the end of the movie of them just walking
out hand in hand. And that was going to be it like there was never supposed that was

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just it was supposed to be a one off, you know, that was supposed to be it. Yeah. And
I mean, I like the way it worked out with the movie poster there because it's beautiful.
Even though it's not an actual scene in the movie, because it's a deleted alternate ending,
it still I think, gives a very clear, simplistic and beautiful message to the relationship
and everything. This is a love story. It's not as I mean, I'm a sucker for sporty underdog

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movies in general. But like, this is a love story. And I mean, not only do Rocky and Adrian
fall in love with each other, but you fall in love with these characters. Like you fall
in love with them. And you're just you're rooting for them so hard. I was really sad
at the end when she runs up and she loses her red hat. Oh my God. That wasn't supposed
to happen. There's so many little little costume things that happened in this movie that they

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made it work in the movie. It like added to the movie. I think he even says something
like where's your head? What happened to your head? What happened to your head? That's the
first thing he says that she gets in the room. I know nothing else. Just like what happened
to your head? This isn't like a shocking revelation. I just didn't know until I was going down
all these rabbit holes. But Talia Shire, most of the wardrobe she's wearing in the movie

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is her personal wardrobe. So they give her like 50 bucks to go to a thrift store, like
a small amount of money to go to a thrift store and shop her clothes. So yeah, large
chunk of what she's wearing is just from her own personal collection. She's good taste.
I love her wardrobe. No, she nailed it. And I'm going to build off what you were just
saying, Tony, that at the end of the movie, I should say, I love the soundtrack. This

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is a top 10 film score that I have always loved. And at the end, when the match is over
immediately and that music is kicking back then that then when that's going, it's just
you're so wrapped up into the moment of it all that you're like, I don't care if you
win or lost. He won in my heart. And it's just it's kind of like you want him to lose.

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Or at least you kind of know he's going to lose. Yeah. You know, you see it coming. Yeah.
But it's okay. And and I'm going to also use that as a segue to switch gears to talk a
little bit about the music. So as you all heard in the beginning, we had the the rocky
theme, the gonna fly now play. And I just wanted to ask in general for everyone to speak

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a little bit to the iconic theme, because I mean, like, for example, Justin, I obviously
you had heard it before you had seen the movie, right? It's just because it's just out there
in the universe. Like, yeah, you knew what the rocky theme was. Yeah. Yeah, it's great.
It's yeah, it's one of the most inspirational songs of all time. It really is. I mean, I

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can't help but every time that starts and it's usually at the beginning of a montage,
which we will talk about later. But I mean, every time I my arms automatically punch both
of them up straight into the air involuntarily, I can't help it. Yeah. Like and Jed actually
gave me the idea to I've been using it as my alarm to get up in the morning. And I'll

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tell you, I do not press snooze anymore. It's amazing. I mean, it's about to change my life.
I mean, it's a recent development, but it's changing my life already. It really is. Yeah.
I yeah, for me, I think I get goosebumps when I hear it. I get excited. I I am I took I
boxed for a while. And even in boxing gyms, they play that song and it pulls people up.

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Yeah. Like you're working out and you hear it and you're like hitting the bag harder,
you know, you're like, yeah, rocky, you know, it's crazy. Yeah. And there's so many reasons
it works for the you know, the whole franchise as well. It's it's got endless possibilities
for different renditions. You know, it's got in the original version, it's got rock soul,

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you know, instrumental, you know, orchestral stuff and then disco even. Oh, it's definitely
got that 70s vibe. I love the horns. More so in two. But yeah, it's like an announcement,
you know, like like medieval times. It works for it. It works for any of the you know,

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that's why calling the guards. Yeah. The battle cry. I mean, it is it's a battle cry. Now
I have medieval times in my head. What was it? A restaurant. There was there was no there's
no silverware in medieval times. So therefore we have no silverware at medieval times. Now
do you want a Coke or a Sprite or something like that is what she had anyway. Gosh. So

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my brother used to work at medieval times. What? He was a knight. What? He was a knight
at the joust. Yeah. Oh, wow. Which is like actually on a horse. Chicago. Oh, wow. Illinois.
I forget. You know, there's was he on a horse or did he like use the coke? No, he's like
money. It's actually I mean, this is totally going off the rails. We went there for a friend's

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birthday. We had driven to the Dallas location and we of course, you know, like anyone else,
we hand it all up with the gift shop and all the photo stuff and we got these like packets
to go and one of it came with these DVDs that it's all about the training of the Knights
and like the rigorous training and like the Falconer and all that. And then you're going

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like, yeah, I guess it makes sense. I mean, it's not like you're just going to go like
you're now a knight $10 an hour and jump on that horse and good luck to you, sir. So yeah,
I mean, it makes sense. But that is speaking of training. Speaking of training, we talk
about training of Rocky in this movie way to get us back on track. I know. Look at me.
I love it. So what I want to do next is this is for Tony and Heather, Ray and myself because

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we have seen these movies over and over and over again. But I'm assuming you all are like
me that this is kind of my first time going through these movies where I'm like really
hyper focusing that I'm noticing a lot of stuff that either I a had not noticed before
or B had totally forgotten was a thing. And I just wanted to speak to that for a second.

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Heather Ray, if you want to go first, what is something that maybe you had never noticed
before or you kind of forgotten until you were rewatching Rocky one? Oh, you're going
to be so mad that I steal the knife answer. That's fine. Yeah, we Jen and I watched it
together. We're like, oh my God, he has knives sticking out of mattresses. He like hangs
his hat on a knife sticking out of the wall. Organically have like if the first thing is

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like he hangs his hat on a knife stuck into a wall and you're like, huh, okay. Interesting.
And then you start realizing, wait, there's a different knife stuck in a mattress. What's
going on with that? Shitty mattress rolled up with a knife in it. There's a there's a
fan fiction B story where he's a serial murderer. Things don't end up so well for Adrian. Yeah.

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Oh, poor, poor, no, say it ain't so Adrian. Tony, do you have anything for not really?
No, you're gonna come back to me on part. All right. No, that's fair. Um, I think another
thing and it's a lot of it's because I had to do all this kind of trivia research and

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everything. So it's kind of pointing me towards things that I hadn't been looking at before.
So something like, like we mentioned earlier, the street wet down, which is for people that
aren't in film industry, it's a very common thing that we do. Actually, Tony, you want
to speak to that for camera purposes. What's what's a good reason why we do wet downs?

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Oh, you know, like reflections of light and a wet down is when they spray the road so
that it's usually a giant water truck. Yeah. For anybody. Usually like the water truck
sprays out the side and the back. And if you're standing there with your camera and you don't
know, you get drenched and the camera gets ruined. That's not the reason why they do

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it. And that's like light reflection, you know, stuff like that. So the fact that they
got the people in the neighborhood from these apartments just come out with buckets of water
and throw them on the street. And then I'm looking at them like, it's a good looking
wet down. Short time in 1776, 1976, it truly was the city of brotherly love. Not brotherly

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shove like it is now. Oh my God. That's another thing is that like, everything I know about
Philly is a juxtaposed thing of like what you just said. Of course it has the nickname
of the city of brotherly love. I have never known anything brotherly lovely about Philly.
I lived there for about three months and yeah, it was not my town. When you were there, I
mean, I was there in the early 2000s. I actually have been. Oh, because you have to run up

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the steps. Oh, I will. You have to. I did. I visited Philly. I ran up the steps. Put
my hands in the air. I mean, you got it. I mean, you just got to. I mean, everybody who
goes to Philly who's ever seen Rocky does it. And speaking of, I'm going to pick up
a drunk and carry him into a bar. He was, I think they, he wanted to carry butt kiss
up the stairs. Oh really? But he was too heavy so he couldn't. So he brought the dog up with

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them and just lift him up at the top. And do you know how many steps there are? 72. Good
looking out. Good Lord. How many, can you imagine how many times they had to do that
and how many takes they did of it? And you know, the kids, is that this, is that one?
No, two. Okay. I won't talk about that yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey yo. Hey yo. Hey yo.

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We have to watch out for our spoiler alerts for Justin. But yeah, I mean, I think, I think
there's a lot of stuff, especially in, and I'm inviting anyone listening, like go down
those rabbit holes, whether you just go to like IMDb trivia page or whatever, like there's
so many fascinating things, especially in one, you know, that we, we always hear in

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the industry. This is a labor of love project, which to us sounds like no money because we
need to get paid because we're workers. But a lot of times there are these kinds of projects
where they really are a labor of love. Like it's not just people being cheap. It's people
trying very hard to get this project going and they just, this is the money they have

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to play with. And you can tell this was totally a labor of love that everyone's pitching in,
whether it's the good people of Philadelphia or the non-union New York crew that was brought
in or whatever. I mean, everyone is trying so hard and, and I, I guess we, well, we'll

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get into it with the trivia stuff coming up, but when you are talking about the steps in
the bonus features, you see, I guess this is the teaser, but you see the Steadicam inventor,
who is the DP for the movie, putting his, his little prototype rig.

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His name is Garrett Brown. We should call him out and give it to him. Yeah. But he has
a girlfriend at the time, his now wife, but she's running up those steps and he's going
with her with the Steadicam to show how fluid it is and everything. And it was a new invention.
It had only been used in, well, it's unclear. Okay. Okay. Okay. But, but I just wanted to

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bring it up because we were talking about the steps that in those bonus features, you
see a video of him putting it on, on display or whatever to try to sell the use of it.
And it just looks fantastic. I mean, well, it changed the way movies are made period.
Well, and I made the comment to you, Stanley Kubrick was like, holy shit, like this is

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going to change everything. I get upset that the most, the only thing that upset me about
it was for all the movies from then to now where I've seen shaky cam. I'm like, why was
the Steadicam not used? Oh my gosh. I hate, I hate shaky cam. Just working on a certain
TV show that I worked on. It was all handheld. No steady cam, some steady cam, but it was

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all handheld and it makes you sick sometimes when you're watching that. Yeah. I mean, there
are some movies that, you know, it adds to it. Like we were talking about the Blair Witch
project for instance, because I mean, it's supposed to be, it's not POV. Right. Exactly.
It's just, yeah. It's literally them running with the camera. I mean, so that encourages
the story. It's when it's the POV that it drives me nuts because that's not what we

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see when we run. Otherwise we would all have motion sickness. That's exactly why I don't
like that. All right. So moving us along, we have, what we're going to do is, you know,
in podcast world, you got your corners, right? So how is it that we can be talking boxing

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on a podcast and not have corners? So we are going to go around the ring with four corners.
And in doing that, our first corner introducing our montage corner. So let's step over. And

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then now what we're going to do, we're going to kind of, we're going to look at the montage
live while we're recording. And this is kind of a free for all, call it a MST 3000 commentary.
This is the training montage of Rocky one. I love it. He's using bricks. Oh, and they

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waited for those trains by the way. They waited until okay. Trains coming. Here we go. Rolling.
And Jed was running through the market. Garbage can on fire for no reason. Philly in the seventies.
A lot of garbage cans on fire in the seventies. It's a rough neighborhood. It comes from a
rough part of town. We should come back to the garbage can on fire. Okay. We do what

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we do. One of the miles he was jogging. Jed, didn't you say that it was like... That's
Rocky two. Oh, okay. We won't talk about that again. Hey yo. That's a Brooklyn great. Hey
yo. Speed bag, speed bag, speed bag. Doesn't he punch the meat sometime? Oh yes he does.
Oh he was doing that. Yep. He had never done these before. The clapping pushups or the

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one handed pushups. The one handed, like the V pushups. Yeah. There they are. There they
are. I can do that. I can do that too. What? Oh I love the barge gun. Just punch me in
the gut. Let me take it. Let me take it. Oh. Oh Nick. Mickey. So many abs. With his little

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hat. There's the meat. There's the meat. Yep. I have some facts on meat that I gotta tell
you. I bet you do. This is insanely unhealthy. Yeah. He tenderizes it. It's extra money to
get that kind of meat. Rocky meat. I'd buy it. They buy Rocky meat? Are you kidding?
They sell it to the restaurants. And they're like, here's some freshly pounded Rocky meat.

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He knows he's doing it now. He's like, yep here we are. I've got this shit now. I think
this is probably my favorite part. When he goes faster and faster and faster. Oh yeah.
This really pumps me up. Cause he's already been jogging for at least 70 miles. Oh this
is awesome. Is this like on a dolly track? No they're in a car. Is this like a steady
cam in a car? Yeah it's a car. They're in a car. Can you imagine his dolly track? Faster.

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This is also what got him to quit smoking in real life. What's all the running and training
for this movie? He smokes so much in this movie. Yeah. It's 70's. Drinking beer, smoking
cigarettes. There he goes up those stairs for the first time. Yep. There's so many more
to come. Put your hands in the air. Come on Rocky celebrate. Right there yes. Iconic.

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Iconic. I mean so iconic. Beautiful. It gave me chills. I like the footwork he does at
the top of the stairs too. Like a little Rockette. He should be in New York. That's actually
what the Rockettes were named after. I'm just kidding. No way. That is fake news folks.

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Thank you all for that. That was amazing. Oh and I'm going to tell everyone that Rockettes
were formed because of Rocky. Spread that rumor. It'll sweep the nation. It's the new
rumor. I'm going to pretend I'm in my 20's and go clubbing and just do that Rocky dance.
Say it's the latest craze. By saying the word the latest craze I'll definitely fit in. Yes.

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So he's not here to make fun of me. So now we're going to move on to our next corner
of the ring. This is the did you know trivia corner. And in Rocky 1, well we haven't mentioned,
well actually we did mention it briefly but Heather Rae the big trivia I think in regards

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to the first movie is in regards to what we were just talking about. Remind me. The camera.
Oh the Steadicam. Yeah the Steadicam. And this is so there's a little bit of a debate
and conflicting info but what we do know is that the very first movie credited with the
use of the Steadicam by Garrett Brown is Bound for Glory. Also up for an Oscar nomination.

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It's true. It did not win. And then this is where it gets into a little bit of a gray
area but Rocky or Marathon Man was the second movie and then the third movie was the other
one. But period. Rocky was the one that drove it forward. It was the most important and
most iconic because of the boxing because of the steps and the box and the way they

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could move around the ring. Right. Right. With the boxing. The reason for I think why
it's a gray area is because I think some people are looking at film release dates and other
people are looking at production dates. So I think that's where it gets into a little
who cares. So definitely gets there. Yeah. But it was so new at the time that it didn't
even have the Steadicam moniker yet. It was just Garrett's special camera basically. But

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this is some other some trivia points of interest that I thought were worth a little bit of
discussion and and again anyone listening I invite you to go look at this stuff on your
own because there is a mountain of trivia. I'll tease that Rocky 3 might have more trivial

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stuff than Rocky 1 does which there's a ton. But anyway so the first thing I wanted to
mention that you all may or may not know is that the turtles Cuff and Link or their names
were alive and well and still pets of Stallone as of 2020. Wow. Yeah he still has them. They're

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cute. I had read somewhere that they weren't with us anymore but I'm not sure how. They
live like 100 years. I can only confirm to 2020. Yeah I mean they're turtles right. They
should still be alive. Yeah I can only confirm to 2020. Okay fair enough. I like to think
they also grew to mammoth sizes. Oh huge. Like he has a special room in his house just
for a turtle. It's like one big aquarium and like he swims with his turtles at night. I

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would buy that. That's the next rumor that's gonna be sweeping the nation. Wait we can
watch his reality show and find out. There we go. They finally got the exercise. I mean
if he ever hears this he might take that as some really sound advice to him. Okay Sly
please build a turtle room. Yeah. Oh the east wing of the house is my terrarium wing. But

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anyway. That's just for the turtles. Yeah. So another thing. So during his audition Carl
Weathers was sparring with Sylvester Stallone and accidentally punched him on the chin.
Stallone told Weathers to calm down as it was only an audition and Weathers said that
if he were allowed to audition with a real actor and not a stand in he would be able

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to do a lot better. And that's when director John G. Alvedson smiled and told Weathers
that Stallone was the real actor and also hey the writer. He hired him on the spot right
there. So Weathers looked at Stallone thoughtfully for a moment and said well maybe he'll get
better. Stallone immediately offered him the role. And then I wanted to add to that that

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when Sylvester Stallone and Carl Weathers were in the actual shooting they suffered
injuries during the shooting of the final fight. Stallone suffered bruised ribs and
Weathers suffered a damaged nose. The opposite injuries of what their characters had interestingly
enough. And that's kind of tip of the iceberg. I think Heather you know a little bit more

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about the, I could be wrong, but I feel like you know a little bit more about the behind
the scenes accidental hitting going on.
Every single movie there was a knockout, an accidental knockout during rehearsal or training
or something. I mean Rocky did all of his own. He didn't have a stunt man I don't think.
I didn't see anywhere that he had a stunt man. Where are they going to afford that?

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It is kind of interesting that, and this is just sort of a general thing about all the
movies, that you see some hits looking like they land more realistically than others and
that's partially because they actually aren't landing. That's partially because the angles
were just right the way they rehearsed it.
Choreography.
Yeah the choreography thank you. And then there's other times where it looks way off. I'm not

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going to say which fight but down the line there's a fight that you see where it just
looks like he's beating a man in his chest like in his sternum until he goes to the floor
and you're like is that a boxing thing? It's just a chest of man down?
Oh and speaking of punches I looked into the Foley that they were doing, the Foley art
for punching.

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The sound effects.
The sound effects. And they were using rolled up telephone books wrapped in duct tape with
leather gloves and punching that to make it sound.
And baseball bats on exercise mats.
I love it.
I love that.
If I could go back in time and do a film job. I would be a Foley artist 100% yes.

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Down the line and I'm not sure when but they do start actually using like it's real sounds
that they use. I can't remember which one. We'll get there but I can't remember.
Modern Foley is just it's like everything's already there.
It's computerized. It's all done. It's not fun anymore.
You can't snap the celery for the bone breaking.
For the bone breaking exactly.

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So two more things of note that I wanted to bring up to y'all. So according to Burt Young
during filming of the scene where Polly walks home drunk an actual drunk wandered onto the
location and told Burt Young he wasn't acting drunk convincingly.
So Burt Young asked the man to demonstrate it and then Burt Young then copied the man's

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actions for the scene. So in that scene he's emulating the random drunk person.
He studied real drunks for that. He definitely did.
I love it. I love it.
I just thought that was funny. That's just you know where's the PA on that lockdown?
Somebody somebody screwed up there.
Eating the pizza that was cold from lunch.
Yeah exactly. You know they didn't get first dibs on that pizza.

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Right exactly. They got a piece of pepperoni.
Hey kid I'm not a big crust eater. Why don't you eat my crust.
You know earlier I did say I know some facts about meat and I just wanted to talk more
about that.
Yeah come on talk about meat.
I just wanted to let you know.
Can't wait to hear your meat facts.
Meat trivia.
That Stallone based Rocky off of Rocky Marciano and Chuck Webner and Joe Frazier and Joe Frazier

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did live in Philly did run up the steps worked at a slaughterhouse and he was called a drain
man because he had to make sure all the blood went down the drain.
So yeah I thought that was.
Yeah you see that later on in the series.
I love it.
But yeah Joe Frazier was the only I mean they reached out to a bunch of people a bunch of
boxers to do that and he was the only Joe Frazier you see him in that first fight with

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Apollo Creed when by the way Apollo Creed comes out as George Washington and then changes
over to.
Where we're going to talk about that.
Yeah we have to we have so much more to talk about.
I haven't even brought us to the bicentennial of the entire thing.
Yes exactly exactly.
We'll talk about that in a moment.
There's a chef's kiss on that later.
Yeah the Uncle Sam hat.
The last thing I wanted to bring up in the trivia corner John Borman turned down the

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offer to direct before John G.
Alvison was brought on and I brought this up because for I'm a fan of John Borman's
older stuff and in the 70s John Borman we're talking like Excalibur Zardas.
I mean this is 70s John Borman.
So my brain goes to oh my god what would what would Rocky have been if John Borman was directing

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because he wasn't exactly doing like straightforward directing like later he did like Hope and
Glory and stuff and that's a great film but at this time he was into some pretty trippy
directing so I don't know what Rocky could have looked like under a John Borman direction
but the version we know and love I think is perfect as is.
I just thought it was really funny that of all people that they reached out to like I

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don't know why he was on the list.
It just seems like an awful choice for what they were trying to do but in that we should
also mention that John G.
Alvison has openly admitted that he kind of hates boxing.
He'd never seen him.
It was actually the turtles in the script on like page three or four that.

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Cuff and Link.
Yeah Cuff and Link that endeared him to the character and that he realized this isn't
necessarily about boxing.
That's what got him actually interested in directing.
He actually came back to direct part five and he was asked to direct part two but he
was off making Saturday Night Fever.
And then Stallone wrote and directed Staying Alive.

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Oddly enough.
Yep.
Which I could not even imagine.
I did not know that until we started doing this.
That shocks me.
I hope he was part choreographer as well because his moves you know are just pretty fantastic.
Yeah because Stallone wrote, directed and obviously starred in the second, third and
fourth one.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah.
But I mean before we get off the trivia situation I think it's important to talk about.
You said that he wrote this in three days.
The first draft.
The first draft.
And we only they only used like 10 percent of that.
I believe there were nine revisions I believe.
Yeah there were like 10.
I mean like in the first one like Mickey was a super racist.

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Adrian was Jewish with a Jewish mother who didn't like him.
Like I mean they really changed things up but I mean the heart of it was obviously the
air just right from the get go.
Which is why we all love it so much.
Yes and there's I mean and we'll get into it in later episodes but there's all kinds
of earlier draft versions that it sometimes and this is something we experience in the

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industry but sometimes things work out by accident but it's a happy accident that works
out for the better and a lot of the Rocky world feels that way because when you start
learning about like things they decided not to do or earlier versions of drafts you're
like at least for me every time I'm going oh I'm glad they didn't do that.
Well there were a lot of happy accidents like you said like that the poster that we see

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it.
Yeah.
Yeah the poster you see Rocky in red shorts with a white stripe in the poster and he comes
and it was wrong.
He had white shorts with a red stripe.
And they couldn't afford.
The costume girls.
Yeah exactly I noticed these things.
Yeah so they couldn't afford to do a new poster so they but there's this great scene that

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really sets things up in a really like said happy accident kind of way because it really
shows that they get because the man that guy that I don't even know some guy in the thing
he's like.
He's like the promoter right.
Yeah maybe it was the promoter.
Yeah I think you're right it was the promoter and it's just the two of them in the ring
the night before the fight and Rocky says oh they you know they got my they got my shorts

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wrong or you know that it's wrong in the poster and he's like and the promoter is like it
doesn't matter we're just going to give him you know this does.
Everybody knows you're going to lose basically is what he's saying you know like so it really
showed like what the expectations were of him and that wouldn't have been part of the
movie or even if the poster was right they had to like make it work.

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We also mentioned the accidental connected hits I mean like that accidentally worked
out well.
Well it's been so yes probably.
We didn't mention this part of it but there's a moment I think it's in the first one I could
be wrong hey it could be in the second but that Carl Weathers and Sylvester Stallone

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were actually mad at each other because they had landed real hits in the choreograph fight
and Stallone later decided to leave it in because it was real and it looked great.
Is it okay?
I think it's part two and yeah and I think and right before that fight Stallone actually
tore his peck muscle off of his bone and that's one of the reasons we'll come back to that

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in part two.
So moving us to our next corner our third of four so this is something that I kind of
had come across because I got curious if it even existed.
So this next corner is called How Dare You and this is I went looking for one star reviews

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and so on IMDB I found literally one one star review.
So this one star review that I found I had to read it a few times to understand fully
what this person was trying to type so obviously he's talking out of his ass if he gives a
one star review so just read it.

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Everyone's gonna have a chance to comment on this loser but anyway so this is actually
a recent review.
This is April of this year and they just have a they have a like a user name so it doesn't
really help anything but the title is I have friends who are really good with the computer.

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Give me the name.
We're gonna find you.
You're gonna regret.
We're gonna kill you.
You know what we're gonna talk to Gazzo and Gazzo is gonna get these guys together.
And Father Calm Mind is gonna bless us.
So the title of this one star review on IMDB the only one star review on IMDB is called

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BAAA.
So this is what he says for me the Rocky franchise falls under the sheep movies.
It's obviously bad.
There is nothing you ever want to remember from this mess and yet many people go quote
this movie is BAAA great end quote.
I don't know why.
I know they don't actually like that movie Rocky.

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I suspect they like nothing in this world.
Every now and then they go quote this movie is BAAA great end quote.
I don't know what that means.
It's not just Rocky.
It's like it's like you're sheep.
Sheep.
He's a sheep old guy.
He's gonna hate.
So he says.
It could have been more creative.
Yeah he says it's not just Rocky.

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And then again he's now gonna go after the it's not just Rocky all men in black movies
are obviously bad.
The editing team did not call it a night until every last scene was repelling and viewer
sheep.
Ah see what he did there go BAAA Avengers in game is in that same shelf only that Avengers
franchise hadn't always been bad.

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Why that's that's the review.
That's the one one star review.
I like his comparisons to it.
Because like let's go from Rocky to Avengers to the other one.
Men in black men in black.
He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
All over the place.
That guy.
All men in black movies are obviously bad.

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I don't sweat.
Obviously wrong.
Only three men in black movies are obviously bad.
That spin off men in black movie though is actually awesome.
I mean yeah this guy I'm gonna assume he's 12.
Because Maki for dash eight seven two eight seven one two eight five.

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Yeah we know who you are.
We're coming for you.
Bye go fuck yourself.
And that puts a perfect bow on that corner.
All right so moving on to our last corner.
This is called fucking Polly.
Fucking Polly.
Oh man.

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Ah so this is where we all get a chance to talk about some fucking Polly moment.
And I'm gonna go to the one who came up with the idea for this corner.
Heather Rae let's start with you.
What's your what's your fucking Polly moment.
Well you know I mean fucking Polly.
Every single time I watch these movies I found myself at one point or another being like

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fucking Polly.
God damn it.
I mean this one he tries pawn it off his sister on Rocky like lies to Rocky to like get him
to come over on Thanksgiving and then he throws out the turkey and like you know ruins everything
then she starts crying.
Adrian starts crying and like yelling at it.
It's he's just such a mess.
He's such a drunken mess all the time.

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Always.
He's the worst with Adrian.
Oh you hate him more than anybody Tony I think.
Yeah like he's the worst brother ever.
He talks about he talks down to her.
He like once once to physically hurt her sometimes like he's just.
Well everybody always owes something to Polly.
Yeah like he everybody's Owen.
Yeah I do.

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I mean for the purposes of the story I do like him being that abusive person because
it helps justify Adrian's demeanor and everything in her shyness and all of that because of
this overbearing you know ape of a abusive brother.
So I do like it and that for the juxtaposition of the characters but at the same time watching

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it is so painful.
He is necessary.
Yeah he's a necessary evil.
He's definitely necessary and you know I mean the whole thing in the when he's you want
to talk about meat.
Yeah when he's I mean basically he punches that meat for the first time instead of punching
Polly.
Yeah.
And you see in Polly's face he's like oh okay maybe I should back up a little bit maybe

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I should be a little bit less Polly.
Yeah doesn't he take a swig of his like half pint.
His little flask that he always has a cigar hanging out of his mouth or what have you.
My fucking Polly moment is when he just takes the bat and starts breaking stuff in the house
and for me maybe it's just because I'm a prop guy I don't know but I'm looking at going

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like that was probably their parents stuff like that's rude.
That wasn't planned and we don't have resets for that.
Now that that's from a work yeah that's more.
That's more PTSD related but no I was just looking at it from like an heirloom kind of
thing of like you know they never really explain what happened to their parents or where they

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are or anything so when I see some of the stuff in the house I'm seeing it as hand me
down because it looks very hand me down.
Well he says all the time I raised you I raised you.
You owe me I was so good you know.
Like we used to be tight and blah blah blah.
And that's also the first time we see this jealousy too because here it is he's the he's
the one pushing them together and then once they're together and happy now he's upset.
He wants everybody to be miserable just like him.

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Fucking Polly.
Fucking Polly.
Justin what's your fucking Polly?
I didn't have a fucking Polly for this first one.
I was I was looking for one but I don't I don't get it yet.
I don't get it.
The baseball bat wasn't enough for him.
I mean I get I mean he's just a typical drunk brother that's that's an asshole and you kind

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of need that to drive the story.
Well he definitely drives the story because I think it accelerates the relationship between
Adrian and Rocky because at one point she's like do you want a roommate like after that
bullshit she's like all right I'm done.
You want a roommate.
But everything he does is kind of predictable and you know so I didn't really have a fucking
Polly moment you know what I mean.

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You kind of feel like he's like a lovable curmudgeon you know.
Yeah but you can still see he cares a little bit behind.
You know and you need I usually root for the grouch.
I usually love the grouch.
The grouch is my favorite but he just rubs me in the line.
He really treads the line.
But he does end up having maybe not so much in this movie but like ayo you know maybe

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a little bit of spoiler but I think it's okay to tell Justin that he does like you find
super redeeming qualities in him.
You see those in coming up but most of the time fucking ball.
I think maybe he just needs a girlfriend or boyfriend or needs to get laid.
Ayo ayo because I thought the same thing.

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Now I will just say then that there's a reason this corner exists so there'll be plenty of
moments later that you can say fucking Polly.
But that's our four corners of the ring.
So Justin so let's recap how you did guessing rocky one and because we gave you the clues

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and kind of the teaser trailer for this I think we were if I remember correctly we were
actually pretty good.
We were we were live in the moment going that's not bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
But let's see I believe you you guessed that rocky was past his prime.
You had guessed that his trainer Mickey was mob connected.

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That was not exactly accurate.
And you guessed that.
Right.
It's okay Justin.
It's not like that.
It's okay.
Should we get it.
Let's get a let's get a sound bite from pressure luck of one of the whammies.
No whammy no whammy.

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Or wait no the price is right.
The best horns on her.
But you did guess that Adrian rocky meet somehow involving a pet store and that was correct
as well.
By the way that pet store still exists as a pet store in Philadelphia.

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I want to go to there.
That's my winning.
Nice.
Okay.
Well I'm fine in the price is right.
Let's see how many legal teams we can have coming out.
I know right.
So so now that now that you've seen rocky one give us your full take on what you thought

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was the beginning what is the start of the franchise.
Yeah.
It was exactly what I imagined.
You know it wasn't.
I was you know I I was kind of joking when I was I think I said I was excited for one
of the things I said was romance of it but I wasn't expecting all that romance.

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And really it yeah it's a it's a it's a beautiful romantic movie.
I loved.
Yeah again I love the the connection with the animals.
I kind of I kind of saw almost what what's his name.
So director director.

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John G. Yeah I mean I saw that almost immediately like you know because I a long time ago I
never really watched this movie get got into it or anything because I was never really
into boxing you know.
But when I saw that I was like oh yeah this is probably not really a boxing movie.
No I mean and when you say romance too it's not just the romance between Rocky and Adrian

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like you know I mean it's just.
Yeah.
Rocky and Mickey.
I mean and like just you know because there's all these people that all of these characters
are loners.
They're all alone in the beginning of this movie and they find each other and they start
to like complete each other.
You know community.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Philly.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean there's yeah and mean Philly is a character the music is a character like it's yeah I
mean you can't help but love this movie.
In my humble opinion and anybody who says different is an idiot.
I love these old movies how they have the people training and they're wearing converse.

(57:45):
Oh my god.
That is not good for your arches son.
No no I mean people use I remember watching basketball.
Yeah exactly in the 50s they're all wearing the converse flat foot high tops.
And even his converse are now in like a bronze inlay at the top of the museum.

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Oh really.
Yeah because they didn't move the statue.
He still has that ripped t-shirt that that might be to to actually.
Oh hey.
Hey.
But no yeah the sneakers are up there on the top.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
That's what I were watching it together and I was like I converse like can you imagine
running however many models he was running.

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My poor feet.
It hurt my feet just looking.
Oh yeah no.
Goodbye arches.
Exactly.
Hello Franken feet.
Hello back hip knee problems.
Right.
Dr. Scholl.
It is converse.
Converse if you want sponsors we love your shoes.

(58:49):
I do I love your shoes.
I do put insults in them but I do love your shoes.
So next as we start to wind down I want to tease our three clues to Justin for the next
installment aka Rocky 2.
And I want to give a little peek behind the curtain because we're block recording we are

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giving the clues to Justin before he watches each movie and he is writing down his guesses
so we can stay legit for y'all.
I love transparency.
So Justin if we were to say father calm mine zoo and a rematch what would you guess is
the plot of Rocky 2.

(59:31):
Rock and electric.
Okay.
The plot.
Yeah so obviously there's going to be a rematch between Rocky and a power.
There ain't going to be no rematch.
There ain't going to be no rematch.
As soon as he says it you know there's going to be a rematch.

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So and I'm assuming that it's going to happen at the end of the movie.
So between between then I guess I'm guessing he you know he he brings Adrian on a date
to the zoo at some point which wasn't there a point in the first one where the gazos.

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Driver made a joke about that.
Yeah bring it to the zoo.
She's slow bring it to the zoo.
I mean they use terms that we're not sure.
Yeah yeah yeah.
But okay.
Yeah.
So he did he did bring her.
Actually Sylvester Stallone and I did not fact check this but I did read somewhere that
you're once.

(01:00:47):
Oh yeah you did.
Yeah.
He he worked at a zoo at one point Sylvester Stallone.
Yeah.
So well he's a he's an animal lover.
Yeah yeah.
So so he brings Adrian on a date to the zoo at some point and the father Carmine I'm guessing

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he finds religion and and maybe that like because typically it might you know just I
mean the the second in a in a series is like the most love centric you know version in
a series.
I would think but so maybe he you know raises a family you know finds religion something

(01:01:31):
along those lines.
All right.
Father Carmine.
Father Carmine.
Father Carmine.
So the last thing I wanted to do is kind of give an open floor for anything and I know
it's a lot so but maybe just pick one.
But if there's something that we didn't get to cover that you wanted to bring up in regards

(01:01:53):
to Rocky one such as the converse was a good one.
But if y'all have anything outstanding that you thought is worth mentioned then now's
the time that we could bring it up.
Anybody Rocky did flatten his knuckles permanently by hitting I didn't read that I which I didn't
know that was a possible thing.

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I didn't either.
I didn't know you could flatten your knuckles.
I have what's known as a boxer's fracture on my dominant hand that that is a very common
thing but hitting something so many times that your knuckles flatten out for the rest
of your life I have never heard of.
So but I did read it as well.

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So any medical doctors listening feel free to write into the show and by the time we're
done recording we'll say what you said and it won't matter.
Well also I'd like to talk about Sylvester Stallone's past with the porn that he made.
Oh yeah.
The softcore.
A night at Stud and Kitty.
The party at Kitty and Stud.
That's the one.

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Yeah yeah sorry.
And it wasn't until Rocky came out that they changed the name to.
They re-released it.
They re-released it changed the name to Italian Stallion and Gail Palmer who did the movie
A Woman who did porn back in the 70s she like released this whole trailer talking about
Sylvester Stallone's in my porn y'all gotta come see it.

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I can't show much because it's really sexual you know but.
I think they were releasing it like special releases for like ten thousand dollars a showing
like they were like charging and like and I think Stallone was like fuck with ten thousand
dollars you know like.
Yeah and then it's it's like it features bondage a dinner party and deeply unerotic love making.

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Hey Justin with those clues.
Can you give the plot to.
To a night at Stud and Kitty.
Party at Kitty and Stud.
Oh that's the one.
Italian Stallion I.
Just kidding.
Moving on.
Unless you really want to.
I'll do it.
When y'all were alluding to some typecasting that he was experiencing early in his career

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before Rocky I wanted to bring up the softcore and go.
It's right there.
Like when he got typecast in a softcore porn.
It's like hitting the broadside of a barn.
I think he only made two hundred dollars total.
Like in two days.
So a hundred dollars a day to do this porn and he was living at a bus station before
and he said I didn't like the script but I was about to rob somebody so I need to do

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it.
That's I think that it's actually important to mention is that during that time period
he was like homeless broke.
And so he actually to what you just said he did have a quote that was along the lines
of I was left with the options of do this or rob someone.
Yeah desperation.
And you know what I like that he chose the softcore.

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Yeah.
I like the fact that he didn't rob anybody.
Wrote a movie and that won best.
I mean like you know channel channel that.
But yeah he worked at a zoo.
He also worked as an usher to movie theater.
It was a lot of like menial jobs and everything that he was scraping to get by.
And he was starting to get roles that were a little bit more significant.

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I think he got his first.
Yeah.
That was the first.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But again it was a known actor named Henry Winkler.
The Fond.
It was right before he was the Fond.
So he's still he hadn't broken out yet.
Crazy.
The only thing I wanted to mention here that we started to talk about before was the bicentennial.

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And I'm just a huge fan of the 70s in general.
It's like a decade.
I'm born in it but obviously don't remember much of it.
But I just I love the 70s.
I love the grittiness of the 70s and everything that gets portrayed and the bicentennial the
fact that Apollo Creed wanted to ham up the bicentennial celebration and like he enters

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he enters the arena dressed as George Washington crossing the Potomac in the boat and then
and then inexplicably has a wardrobe change to where he's what Uncle Sam I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sam because he's like I want you.
I want you.
And the round card girl is dressed as a Statue of Liberty and they weren't cards.

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They were what were they.
I can't remember anymore but they weren't traditional round cards.
She was holding up like something else that was themed with the bicentennial.
But there was something about that that was really hilarious because you know part of
Apollo's downfall was his hyper focus on the event and not the match itself.
Well yeah I mean the reason why he chose Rocky is because of his name and had a ring and

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he was like what's more iconic than having an Italian who you know speaking of Columbus
who you know discovered America against.
He didn't discover shit.
He didn't discover shit.
We all know that.
Genocidal maniac.
Syphilis anyway.
Syphilis.
He meant sibilance.
Yeah sibilance.
Sibilance shit.
Fuck Columbus.
He did have syphilis as a fact.

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He was also imprisoned and only because Queen Isabella said he could be released along the
conditions that he never returned to the islands.
Anyway fuck that guy.
Segue it back from that.
Fuck that guy.
I don't think I can.
But yeah anything else that we may have missed in that world?

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I do want to talk about there was a scene that was not supposed to be in the movie.
There was a scene that was not supposed to be in there and that was when Rocky and Adrian
were in bed and he was like really just saying like I don't even care if I win.
Oh the softcore scene.
The softest of course.
I'm kidding.

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I'm kidding.
Kiddie and Studs part two.
I mean that's the thing about their love is so pure.
It's just so amazingly pure.
But anyway I digress.
But no that scene wasn't supposed to be in there but it really I mean it's necessary
because like.
Oh he got one take.
This whole movie.
I remember that.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Because they didn't want to do it and it really just it sums up the whole movie.

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It's not about winning.
It's about going the distance.
And that's the heart of this movie.
That is that is exactly what this movie is about and why it touches so many people and
why it's so inspiring.
That's why when you hear this music of Bill Conti is you you automatically just get your
goose bumps.
And you I mean every even if you've never seen Rocky you know that theme song.

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Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I mean it may not have the exact same effect on people who haven't seen the movie but like
it's still I mean it's.
I would equate it to using a contemporary version like Eminem one shot.
Like it's not that you necessarily have seen 8 Mile but you know that stupid song and it
does motivate you whether you want to like it or not.

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Like that song does motivate you.
I'm not really an Eminem fan but damn that song like it will get me in a mood you know.
And that's what that's what the Rocky theme does.
It does exactly the same thing.
Didn't think I was going to bring Eminem into this.
You know what that's really funny.
I was thinking about Eminem today when I was watching the movie.
I'm not sure.
It's his one shot.
Underdog underdog movies.

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It doesn't matter.
Like I don't know.
Oh when I found out.
I'm sorry I found out Mr. T's real name.
I thought of Eminem.
Lawrence Turow or something like that.
Yes but I was like yeah but his real name is Clarence.
Clarence.
But yeah anyway.
Method Man's real name is Cliff Clifford.
That's a nice name.
I don't know why you changed it.

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So all right so we're gonna wrap it up.
Wrap it up.
Hey yo.
I mean like what we're gonna have in all these episodes there's a mountain of things that
we're just not gonna be able to get to and I mean again like if you like what we're saying
whether you've seen the movies haven't seen the movies want to see the movies this is
all just a love letter to the series and everything.

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And we hope that it just this encourages people to go out and see it see it again.
And you can share in our joy.
It is pure joy.
And just be reminded of how beautiful and wonderful and inspiring these movies are.
Be the one out of millions person that thinks we're all sheeple.
So you can be that asshole.
And also.
We'll find you.

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Yeah but you know what just real quick going back to that guy.
The message is if you're the only one one star review that's kind of saying something
dude.
Hate is gonna hate.
That's what I said.
Are you filling a quota?
Is that what you're doing?
Yeah fuck that guy.
Anyway.
I hate it because everybody else loves it.
Exactly.
I think that's what it is.
He probably doesn't like Game of Thrones either.

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He's one of those people.
This review was two months ago.
I know that's what I'm saying.
It's extremely recent.
Yeah.
It's extremely recent.
It's crazy.
That's some Gen Z the equivalent of a goth Gen Z like just hating shit for the sake of
hating shit.
All of his other references were contemporary stuff.
So I mean he's definitely somewhat younger.

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But anyway so that's it for today.
Watch it in like five years and maybe you'll understand.
So that's it for today.
Thank you everyone for joining us and we'll see you next week for Yo Adrian featuring
Rocky 2 and oh hey Zoe I'm glad you're here because we need you to preach that call to
action.
So here we go.

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